Woj: Marcus Morris Reneging on Agreement with Spurs?

[MoSpur02]

That Ian Begley tweet has the word "if" in it enough to make it seem like this guy is not sure what he wants to do.

[Dverde]

Yep. Ultimately it's Morris/Klutch decision--but Morris is a knucklehead and Klutch is Klutch. The Knicks FO's behavior is puzzling and, as you say, shady. None of this happens without them instigating it. It's like a guy walking by a wedding trying to seduce the bride just before the vows...

I could see Marcus Morris in that exact example. “Your man must be happy, but you happy?”

[callo1]

He will still sign with the Spurs.

[Marcus Bryant]

So basically the Knicks' pursuit of Morris would fuck Bullock out of real money. Plantar fascilitis is common for basketball players, this is not some "red flag" injury which warrants voiding a player signing. https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS820US820&ei=SAcmXYTpGoSctgXogoegBA&q=plantar+fasciitis+nba+players&oq=plantar+fasciitis+nba+players&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30.1309.2947..3129...0.0..0.162.1198. 7j5......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i131i67j0i67.TFUd5ksG8BQ

[mo7888]

If Bullock's agent hold NY to their agreement and we hold onto Morris I'd go all in on roco and sign a 3rd big and get ready for camp.

[monty4329]

True, in theory, but no other agency is owned by an NBA player, and so Klutch appears to operate under different assumptions.

Yes and not. As AD said, players are their own corporations. The difference between Klutch and other agencies is marginal, at this point. Do you think the Kawhi/Uncle manipulations are less slimy than Klutch's?

Nowadays star players have all the power, and no obligations to respect their contract, let alone their word. That's the NBA we live in. Obviously Klutch stands out as being owned by LBJ, but in terms of ethics they all look the same.

I wish the players would try to run their own league. It would be a laughable shitshow, and after a couple years we would be back to a league where players play and contracts mean something.

[Marcus Bryant]

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1148969515268661248

:lol This is not a "re-work" but a screwing of Bullock.

[look_at_g_shred]

He'll be a Spurs

[monty4329]

So basically the Knicks' pursuit of Morris would fuck Bullock out of real money. Plantar fascilitis is common for basketball players, this is not some "red flag" injury which warrants voiding a player signing. https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS820US820&ei=SAcmXYTpGoSctgXogoegBA&q=plantar+fasciitis+nba+players&oq=plantar+fasciitis+nba+players&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30.1309.2947..3129...0.0..0.162.1198. 7j5......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i131i67j0i67.TFUd5ksG8BQ

Teodosic costed the Clippers 10 mil for 20 games for the same injury

[RC_Drunkford]

I just can't see Bullock going from 2/21 to 1/4.9 or even vet min. Something like 2/14 or 1/7 seems way more realistic

[Mr. Body]

Not really; this happens all the time behind closed doors! I don’t agree with it but I’m also not going to have a meltdown over this player/agency. Pops/Spurs memories are long I suspect!

This certainly does not always happen.

[RC_Drunkford]

honestly if you consider the fit and the usual jump in efficiency and defense that players who join the Spurs make, he'd be stupid to go to the Knicks. He'll get a way better contract offer next year playing in San Antonio. Knicks will tank and he might just be on the bench for half a season

[exstatic]

I just can't see Bullock going from 2/21 to 1/4.9 or even vet min. Something like 2/14 or 1/7 seems way more realistic

That comes out of their cap room, and doesn't allow NY to steal Morris.

[mo7888]

I just can't see Bullock going from 2/21 to 1/4.9 or even vet min. Something like 2/14 or 1/7 seems way more realistic

That would only leave 7M for Morris.

[Atl Spur]

This certainly does not always happen.

Sure it does with negotiating...... you don’t all the moving parts to arrive at any/all deals.

[Atl Spur]

You think these other agencies don’t use leverage when it’s available? Wise up bruh! Leverage comes in many forms.

[Atl Spur]

Never personal......just shady ass business!:)

[RC_Drunkford]

That comes out of their cap room, and doesn't allow NY to steal Morris.

that's what I'm saying. That's the key factor now. What sum will Reggie Bullock agree to?

[ZeusWillJudge]

I just can't see Bullock going from 2/21 to 1/4.9 or even vet min. Something like 2/14 or 1/7 seems way more realistic


I can't either. Which is why I said they're going to have to make some kind of back door deal. It's why Bullock's agent is calling them "mensches" - they're trying to come up with something creative. But I don't think there is a creative solution to this that gets Bullock satisfied, without going outside the rules.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This certainly does not always happen.

No... but it does happen. I get the feeling that things are starting to happen more under Silver. I saw the video of his conference where he talked about people violating the moratorium. He admitted that when people make announcements of a deal within minutes of the FA season, there were likely "discussions" going on behind the scenes. But he sort of brushed it off, saying these things have always happened, and maybe the rules need to be looked at.

Now that I think about it, Silver seemed content that these kinds of things happen all the time. He just acted like it was a small thing, and they might make a few small tweaks to make things more consistent.

[Mr. Body]

No... but it does happen. I get the feeling that things are starting to happen more under Silver. I saw the video of his conference where he talked about people violating the moratorium. He admitted that when people make announcements of a deal within minutes of the FA season, there were likely "discussions" going on behind the scenes. But he sort of brushed it off, saying these things have always happened, and maybe the rules need to be looked at.

Now that I think about it, Silver seemed content that these kinds of things happen all the time. He just acted like it was a small thing, and they might make a few small tweaks to make things more consistent.

He's weak while Stern was corrupt.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Silver isn’t doing anything. This is “good” for the league getting constant media exposure. Unfortunately, it’s at the expense of the actual game and sucks for fans who support teams and not personalities.

[cd98]

Silver isn’t doing anything. This is “good” for the league getting constant media exposure. Unfortunately, it’s at the expense of the actual game and sucks for fans who support teams and not personalities.

What is he going to do? There isn't a rule in place to prevent this. So he can't enforce a rule that doesn't exist. And how hard is Morris going to play and what kind of headache is he going to be if the league forces him to go to San Antonio against his will? And then you'll hear Draymond turn it into a race thing. There is nothing Silver can do accept apply pressure in backchannels, but even that is limited. Knicks are going to do what they want if its within the rules and Morris is going to take the money wherever he can get it.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Silver isn’t doing anything. This is “good” for the league getting constant media exposure. Unfortunately, it’s at the expense of the actual game and sucks for fans who support teams and not personalities.


Silver actually said something about that in his interview. All the team-hopping is actually good for the league, since it makes the offseason more exciting, and results in a lot more fan interest. It's part of the plan. We complain, but it's not going to change, because the spectacle is exactly what they want. It's the perfect marriage of sports and reality TV drama.

[MoSpur02]

According to KHRISJohnsonNBA, Marcus Morris will sign with NY. Just waiting for NY and Bullock to agree on a new deal.

[kobyz]

Morris just waiting for spurs to announce they're moving on, not to be the one who ends it...

[Atl Spur]

He had to, the spurs weren’t gonna fool with that clown once this went down! No prob.....we’ll move on

[YoungbuckMurray]

According to KHRIS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6723)JohnsonNBA, Marcus Morris will sign with NY. Just waiting for NY and Bullock to agree on a new deal.

Guy has 50 followers is he legit?

[Marcus Bryant]

I can't either. Which is why I said they're going to have to make some kind of back door deal. It's why Bullock's agent is calling them "mensches" - they're trying to come up with something creative. But I don't think there is a creative solution to this that gets Bullock satisfied, without going outside the rules.

A team backing out of a $20MM commitment over an exaggeration of a common player condition isn't something easily swept under the rug, especially with the team's motivation clear (ie signing Morris).

[Marcus Bryant]

Morris just waiting for spurs to announce they're moving on, not to be the one who ends it...

That would help Morris and the Knicks, but both need Bullock to agree to getting screwed out of eight figures guaranteed.

[MoSpur02]

Guy has 50 followers is he legit?

Not sure.

[Mugen]

:lol Marcus Morris getting 40+ pages

[MoSpur02]

That KhrisJohnsonNBA guy also tweeted out something about the Spurs and Derozan.

[ZeusWillJudge]

A team backing out of a $20MM commitment over an exaggeration of a common player condition isn't something easily swept under the rug, especially with the team's motivation clear (ie signing Morris).


Oh, I know. If you're saying it's hard to believe they could pull it off, that's my first thought too. But when there's a lot of money involved, it seems like it's easier to sell a big lie. Lance Armstrong got by with doping for how long? Everyone knew he was doing it, deep down. But most of his fans refused to believe it.

I think they have Bullock over a barrel. They can claim that he's medically unfit for them to sign, and it's much harder for him to get anyone else to sign him. I think they'll find a way to split the difference with him, even if its "creative", and he'll go along rather than try to fight that. I think Silver will go along, just because there's no one to say otherwise, and what's good for big markets is good for the league.

[r0drig0lac]

According to KHRISJohnsonNBA, Marcus Morris will sign with NY. Just waiting for NY and Bullock to agree on a new deal.

link?

[cd98]

Why don’t Spurs sign Bullock?

[kobyz]

That would help Morris and the Knicks, but both need Bullock to agree to getting screwed out of eight figures guaranteed.

Bullock has no say in this, he failed his physical, Knicks not obligat to the agreement, they offer him small contract for good will...

[Mugen]

Just sign Bullock with half of the MLE tbh.

[exstatic]

Why don’t Spurs sign Bullock?

Because he's a guard?

[MoSpur02]

link?

https://twitter.com/khrisjohnsonnba/status/1148638171703447552?s=21

[BackHome]

This is KARMA on Poop for screwing over Hanga telling him we going to bring him over and when Manu came
back. Poop was like sorry son we don’t need anymore see Ya.

[Dex]

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[TimDunkem]

He gone.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This is KARMA on Poop for screwing over Hanga telling him we going to bring him over and when Manu came
back. Poop was like sorry son we don’t need anymore see Ya.


I didn't like the way they handled Hanga or Simmons. Simmons could have gotten a bigger payday if the Spurs had given him walking papers at the beginning of free agency. And that was always likely to be his one big payday. I know people can't hear anything that says their heroes did something poorly, but both of those were raw deals.

When DeAndre Jordan reneged on the Mavs, a lot of people here just laughed. Some said it was wrong, but a lot just laughed because it was Cuban and the Mavs. But the league said then that it was legal, since there's no contract. So is this. If the Knicks make some kind of backdoor deal, that's over the line, but we'll never know.

I don't think it's karma, it's just a messed up system that allows it.

[Dex]

I didn't like the way they handled Hanga or Simmons. Simmons could have gotten a bigger payday if the Spurs had given him walking papers at the beginning of free agency. And that was always likely to be his one big payday. I know people can't hear anything that says their heroes did something poorly, but both of those were raw deals.

When DeAndre Jordan reneged on the Mavs, a lot of people here just laughed. Some said it was wrong, but a lot just laughed because it was Cuban and the Mavs. But the league said then that it was legal, since there's no contract. So is this. If the Knicks make some kind of backdoor deal, that's over the line, but we'll never know.

I don't think it's karma, it's just a messed up system that allows it.

Yep, there is nothing here stopping Morris or the Knicks other than maybe bad reputation. But the Knicks are already known to be awful (and in fact, most would view this as a coup for them by collecting assets despite how they go about it), and players don't have to give a shit about their reputation these days.

If he goes to the Knicks, it will be a sad day for Spurs fans, but nothing else will come of it.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

It appears as if Silver is not very concerned about changing the situation. So there’s that.

Individual owners are probably pissed in the short term, but if the value of their teams keeps going up they will probably just roll with it.

[Dverde]

I didn't like the way they handled Hanga or Simmons. Simmons could have gotten a bigger payday if the Spurs had given him walking papers at the beginning of free agency. And that was always likely to be his one big payday. I know people can't hear anything that says their heroes did something poorly, but both of those were raw deals.

When DeAndre Jordan reneged on the Mavs, a lot of people here just laughed. Some said it was wrong, but a lot just laughed because it was Cuban and the Mavs. But the league said then that it was legal, since there's no contract. So is this. If the Knicks make some kind of backdoor deal, that's over the line, but we'll never know.

I don't think it's karma, it's just a messed up system that allows it.

Jordan had a change of heart. This is purely about money. Money that wasn’t available or offered when he agreed to terms. My problem isn’t with Morris, it’s the Knicks and his agent.

[MannyIsGod]

I didn't like the way they handled Hanga or Simmons. Simmons could have gotten a bigger payday if the Spurs had given him walking papers at the beginning of free agency. And that was always likely to be his one big payday. I know people can't hear anything that says their heroes did something poorly, but both of those were raw deals.

When DeAndre Jordan reneged on the Mavs, a lot of people here just laughed. Some said it was wrong, but a lot just laughed because it was Cuban and the Mavs. But the league said then that it was legal, since there's no contract. So is this. If the Knicks make some kind of backdoor deal, that's over the line, but we'll never know.

I don't think it's karma, it's just a messed up system that allows it.

Wait, you think they screwed over Simmons? They had him as a RFA. Why the fuck would htey have renounced him at the start of free agency? Doing it at all was a massive favor. What a bad take.

[FkLA]

I didn't like the way they handled Hanga or Simmons. Simmons could have gotten a bigger payday if the Spurs had given him walking papers at the beginning of free agency. And that was always likely to be his one big payday. I know people can't hear anything that says their heroes did something poorly, but both of those were raw deals.

When DeAndre Jordan reneged on the Mavs, a lot of people here just laughed. Some said it was wrong, but a lot just laughed because it was Cuban and the Mavs. But the league said then that it was legal, since there's no contract. So is this. If the Knicks make some kind of backdoor deal, that's over the line, but we'll never know.

I don't think it's karma, it's just a messed up system that allows it.

The Hanga thing was handled poorly but when it comes to JSimms, they had no obligation to make him unrestricted. If anything they did him a solid by eventually doing that. Theres plenty of restricted FAs that have been kept when they made it clear they wanted to leave. Eric Gordon comes to mind, when he wanted to leave NO to be a cornerstone in the PHX.

[cd98]

Because he's a guard?

Hes 6 foot 7

[Atl Spur]

Sad day? Yeah right dude! How can you miss what you never had? San Antonio will still make it happen with or without this dude. Google us if you don’t believe me�� We have gotten real spoiled over here I’m seeing; embrace the hard decisions!

[ZeusWillJudge]

Wait, you think they screwed over Simmons? They had him as a RFA. Why the fuck would htey have renounced him at the start of free agency? Doing it at all was a massive favor. What a bad take.



Look really close at what I said. I didn't say they "screwed him", did I? I said I didn't like the way they handled it, and that I thought it was a raw deal for him. They were definitely within their rights, but I think they could have cut him loose without a second thought. They knew they weren't going to sign him. Mostly they had to be pretty sure that they weren't going to match the kinds of offer sheets that he was going to get.

If they had just not done the QO, he would have been free from the start. I'm not saying they had to do that at all. But it would have been better for him if he was free and clear at the start of that FA period. IIRC, he didn't help his own cause by making statements about how much he thought he was worth. I could be remembering that part wrong, but I think he did.



I went on to say that I don't think this was karma for either of those deals. They did what was their right to do, just like Morris did. I don't like any of it. If you do, that's your right, too.

[beirmeistr]

How can the knicks offer large sums of money that they don't have? Silver should get involved.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Hanga thing was handled poorly but when it comes to JSimms, they had no obligation to make him unrestricted. If anything they did him a solid by eventually doing that. Theres plenty of restricted FAs that have been kept when they made it clear they wanted to leave. Eric Gordon comes to mind, when he wanted to leave NO to be a cornerstone in the PHX.


The difference, at least in my mind, is that I don't think the Spurs really wanted to keep Simmons. Letting him get the biggest payday he could would have been a nice thing.

I know, I know... it's just business.

[SpursDynasty85]

Look really close at what I said. I didn't say they "screwed him", did I? I said I didn't like the way they handled it, and that I thought it was a raw deal for him. They were definitely within their rights, but I think they could have cut him loose without a second thought. They knew they weren't going to sign him. Mostly they had to be pretty sure that they weren't going to match the kinds of offer sheets that he was going to get.

If they had just not done the QO, he would have been free from the start. I'm not saying they had to do that at all. But it would have been better for him if he was free and clear at the start of that FA period. IIRC, he didn't help his own cause by making statements about how much he thought he was worth. I could be remembering that part wrong, but I think he did.



I went on to say that I don't think this was karma for either of those deals. They did what was their right to do, just like Morris did. I don't like any of it. If you do, that's your right, too.

They wanted to sign him. Simmons begged them to let them go eventually and spoke with Pop one on one because he said besides money he really wanted a tom of playing time and focus on the offense. Something you know Spurs couldnt gaurantee him.

[Atl Spur]

The difference, at least in my mind, is that I don't think the Spurs really wanted to keep Simmons. Letting him get the biggest payday he could would have been a nice thing.

I know, I know... it's just business.

He was an asset they should have leveraged better; he was done a solid by them. He is a dime a dozen talent in this league, he just didn’t know it to now. The clock is ticking on his NBA career; could of made money forever here but got fooled by the glare of fame!

[Blackhaus]

How can the knicks offer large sums of money that they don't have? Silver should get involved.

They do have the money correct? Bullock hasn’t signed. They are just going back on their original deal with him so they money was never technically gone. It’s just shady by everyone involved but the spurs

[MannyIsGod]

Look really close at what I said. I didn't say they "screwed him", did I? I said I didn't like the way they handled it, and that I thought it was a raw deal for him. They were definitely within their rights, but I think they could have cut him loose without a second thought.
They knew they weren't going to sign him. Mostly they had to be pretty sure that they weren't going to match the kinds of offer sheets that he was going to get.

If they had just not done the QO, he would have been free from the start. I'm not saying they had to do that at all. But it would have been better for him if he was free and clear at the start of that FA period. IIRC, he didn't help his own cause by making statements about how much he thought he was worth. I could be remembering that part wrong, but I think he did.



I went on to say that I don't think this was karma for either of those deals. They did what was their right to do, just like Morris did. I don't like any of it. If you do, that's your right, too.

Equating keeping a RFA around who may be a piece to our puzzle or a trade piece is not the same as Morris and equating it as such is an incredibly bad take. 2 for 2 my man.

[Pavlov]

According to KHRISJohnsonNBA, Marcus Morris will sign with NY. Just waiting for NY and Bullock to agree on a new deal.Khris Johnson
KHRISJohnsonNBA
Senior NBA Insider & Writer

Senior to whom?

[timvp]

According to KHRISJohnsonNBA, Marcus Morris will sign with NY. Just waiting for NY and Bullock to agree on a new deal.

Looks like a troll account with a handful of followers, tbh.

[Marcus Bryant]

Reggie Bullock being fine with having the Knicks pull the $20MM football Lucy style will be a strong indication something is up. All because of...plantar fascilitis. :lol

[Pavlov]

I guess we can be pissed about it, but if the contract wasn't signed....

[BackHome]

How and why would Bullock take less money?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Equating keeping a RFA around who may be a piece to our puzzle or a trade piece is not the same as Morris and equating it as such is an incredibly bad take. 2 for 2 my man.


Show me where I "equated" any of that. Point it out or STFU. You don't get to put words in my mouth, and then blame me for them, asshole. And I'm not your man.


I know I'm not the only one who didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell that Pop would have Simmons back on the team the next year. I suppose the Spurs could have leveraged the QO by trying to force him into a S&T deal. But are you guys saying you thought he was THAT good? Nobody here seemed to think so at the time. If he was really worth that much to the Spurs, then they did a shitty job of leveraging it.

He would have gotten a lot more at the beginning of that crazy FA period. But he wasn't going to bring shit in a S&T, and you all knew that. Or maybe you didn't, and that's why you're arguing now. The Spurs COULD have let him go without all the delay, but they didn't have to. I would have liked to see them do that, since I really don't think he was going to be a long-term "answer" for the roster, at any price. If they were just trying to capture some of his temporary "value" in a S&T, fine. But like I said, they did a shitty job of it, didn't they?

But I'd bet that all three of you would have cried like babies if the Spurs had matched an offer sheet for Simmons that off season.

[K...]

How and why would Bullock take less money?

Because the window for free agents has passed, so they're aren't places here could go for the same $$. Or a under the table deal. Or he's really hurt and can't expect more.

[MannyIsGod]

Show me where I "equated" any of that. Point it out or STFU. You don't get to put words in my mouth, and then blame me for them, asshole. And I'm not your man.


I know I'm not the only one who didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell that Pop would have Simmons back on the team the next year. I suppose the Spurs could have leveraged the QO by trying to force him into a S&T deal. But are you guys saying you thought he was THAT good? Nobody here seemed to think so at the time. If he was really worth that much to the Spurs, then they did a shitty job of leveraging it.

He would have gotten a lot more at the beginning of that crazy FA period. But he wasn't going to bring shit in a S&T, and you all knew that. Or maybe you didn't, and that's why you're arguing now. The Spurs COULD have let him go without all the delay, but they didn't have to. I would have liked to see them do that, since I really don't think he was going to be a long-term "answer" for the roster, at any price. If they were just trying to capture some of his temporary "value" in a S&T, fine. But like I said, they did a shitty job of it, didn't they?

But I'd bet that all three of you would have cried like babies if the Spurs had matched an offer sheet for Simmons that off season.

I iterally quoted it. Are you not sure of what you're typing? Is English a second language for you?

[BackHome]

But don’t they have to honor his contract I don’t think he will fail medical

[ZeusWillJudge]

Equating keeping a RFA around who may be a piece to our puzzle or a trade piece is not the same as Morris and equating it as such is an incredibly bad take. 2 for 2 my man.


Never mind. You were one of the losers who pushed the rumor that the Spurs offered Simmons $9M per, and then started treating it like fact - even though they never offered him anything other than the $1.6M QO. So you make up your own stories a lot, it seems, and then fight about them. You don't have the right to go talking about bad takes.


https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/report-spurs-never-made-jonathon-simmons-an-offer
"But contrary to any reports that the Spurs were interested in keeping him, come this nugget from our own Casey Keirnan that San Antonio never made Simmons an offer whatsoever."

The Spurs lifted the FA tag eventually, which they didn't have to do. It didn't take a genius to see that it would have helped him more to do it sooner. I would have preferred that route, since I don't think they wanted him to stay. It's that simple.

[FkLA]

But don’t they have to honor his contract I don’t think he will fail medical

He already failed it.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I iterally quoted it. Are you not sure of what you're typing? Is English a second language for you?

Quote it again. Bold the part where I equate the Simmons and Morris situations. You don't want to look weak in front of all these people - show what you quoted.

[Mugen]

Looks like a troll account with a handful of followers, tbh.

Question - assuming this goes down and Morris goes to NY....what kind of player do you think the Spurs could get for Bryn/Marco/1st rounder? Somebody at the level of Morris or better?

Do you think they even go that route since they seem to love Forbes?

Guessing it's just Lyles and then salary dump Beli somewhere...

[cjw]

Wait, you think they screwed over Simmons? They had him as a RFA. Why the fuck would htey have renounced him at the start of free agency? Doing it at all was a massive favor. What a bad take.

Totally. The Spurs had him under contract and would have gladly taken him back at his tender. He wanted more money, but the rules are the rules. He couldn’t find that money ... Spurs weren’t matching any big offer sheets anyway ... he’s a replacement level player.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Yet he was supposed to get a big payday this summer...

If he's that impressed by a little relatively more guaranteed, make the guaranteed number much larger that he'd have to turn down. Yes, it rewards shadiness, but if we're looking at a two year window until Pop retires and the team is significantly overhauled, it's not the worst thing.

He's obviously an idiot, and has an unrealistic view of his market value.

I'm sure, though, in his mind, he can put up bigger numbers in New York than San Antonio, which will result in a bigger payday next summer.

[Dex]

He's obviously an idiot, and has an unrealistic view of his market value.

I'm sure, though, in his mind, he can put up bigger numbers in New York than San Antonio, which will result in a bigger payday next summer.

Maybe. He figured to be a major cog in the SA system, whereas NY is overloaded at PF and has young guys they should be developing. Him putting up empty stats there does them no good.

That said...he is probably calculating living in NY vs SA, and that's a pretty easy solution for an NBA athlete.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Totally. The Spurs had him under contract and would have gladly taken him back at his tender. He wanted more money, but the rules are the rules. He couldn’t find that money ... Spurs weren’t matching any big offer sheets anyway ... he’s a replacement level player.


LMAO. It was a $1.6M qualifying offer. Everyone knew there would be an offer sheet north of that, so why even bring it up.

Now, stop being a pussy and show us the quote where I equated the Simmons and Morris situations. You said it minutes ago, so I know you can find it.

[K...]

LMAO. It was a $1.6M qualifying offer. Everyone knew there would be an offer sheet north of that, so why even bring it up.

Now, stop being a pussy and show us the quote where I equated the Simmons and Morris situations. You said it minutes ago, so I know you can find it.

Or of curiosity, how much would you have paid j Simms?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yet he was supposed to get a big payday this summer...

If he's that impressed by a little relatively more guaranteed, make the guaranteed number much larger that he'd have to turn down. Yes, it rewards shadiness, but if we're looking at a two year window until Pop retires and the team is significantly overhauled, it's not the worst thing.


It's not the worst thing, but it is a damn shame. Rudy can't handle the full load of starter's minutes for a full season. Morris would have been a really nice piece to allow Pop to platoon minutes, and to be a little more creative with situational lineups. He would have been a really good piece for this squad, and it would have been fun to watch what Pop did with it. I'm not angry about it, after about the first 10 minutes. But it's still disappointing.

This year the lion's share of free cap space went to the super big names. I think Morris is banking on being able to bank a bigger slice for himself next season, when the FA class isn't so star-studded. I'm guessing, but it looks like that's what the second year player option was about. And getting a $15M one year deal from the Knicks is even better.

[JADG79]

Question - assuming this goes down and Morris goes to NY....what kind of player do you think the Spurs could get for Bryn/Marco/1st rounder? Somebody at the level of Morris or better?

Do you think they even go that route since they seem to love Forbes?

Guessing it's just Lyles and then salary dump Beli somewhere...

there is no trade market for SF/PF, we will give two Guards for a Forwards, the other team need to have multiples forwards to trade for guards and within same range.

Without Bertans we don’t the leverage to trade for a Forward right now.

The only way is a free agent or an European player.

[RD2191]

Just find a fucking competent defender. Who gives a fuck if he can shoot? How hard can that possibly be?

[Mr. Body]

Just find a fucking component defender. Who gives a fuck if he can shoot? How hard can that possibly be?

Kyle Anderson!
Kyle Anderson!
Kyle Anderson!

You heard it here, first, RD2191 wants Kyle Anderson.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm all for Ben Moore and Quindarry to be on the big squad. Get rid of Beli/Forbes/Mills

[ZeusWillJudge]

Or of curiosity, how much would you have paid j Simms?


I thought about him just about like I thought about Boban. Someone else is going to pay him a lot more than I would be willing to - just let him go.

Honestly, I never thought that much about how much to give him. I felt so certain that he wasn't going to be on the roster. He was definitely worth more than $1.6M per, though - that's just the standard min QO offering. The point, in my mind anyway, is that the Spurs weren't going to match anything even like $6M per. The market was crazy, and Simmons was riding high on his playoff performance. We all knew he was going to get paid.

But you asked me a direct question, so I'll give a direct answer. In that market, he was probably actually worth something around $4.5M per. And IF he was worth one year, he was probably worth 3, with the third not fully guaranteed. So maybe 3/$14 with the third year not fully guaranteed. And everyone, even Manny, knew that he was going to get more than that. AND that the Spurs weren't going to match the offer(s) he would eventually get - which they shouldn't have. He was going to get overpaid, especially because of the playoffs. Move on, and let whoever overpay him.

[RD2191]

Kyle Anderson!
Kyle Anderson!
Kyle Anderson!

You heard it here, first, RD2191 wants Kyle Anderson.

I wouldn't mind him right now tbh

[cjw]

LMAO. It was a $1.6M qualifying offer. Everyone knew there would be an offer sheet north of that, so why even bring it up.

Now, stop being a pussy and show us the quote where I equated the Simmons and Morris situations. You said it minutes ago, so I know you can find it.

Bullock = agreed to something, team found a technicality and is trying to reneg

Simmons = was under contract and couldn’t find an offer sheet until he was unrestricted. RFA is a tool that teams use all the time to pay those guys under market value. See what the Rockets tried doing with Parsons

Also, there wasn’t an offer sheet north of $1.6mm. There were offers north of it, but people didn’t want to lock up cap space while Spurs dicked around for 72 hours.

Yes, it was a shitty move to make that cost Simmons money, and can earn a bad rep if you do it too often. But why give up control over him if not required? If nothing materialized and space dried up, they could have kept him for pennies.

Wasn’t his contract also going to have the poison pill if the Spurs matched because of Early Bird rights?

[Mr. Body]

I wouldn't mind him right now tbh

I think he fits the team much better now.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I'm all for Ben Moore and Quindarry to be on the big squad. Get rid of Beli/Forbes/Mills

I like Ben Moore, and I hope he catches with some team. TIMVP was pretty negative about him ever really being an NBA level player.

I think Quinn will benefit a lot more from a year in Austin, than scattered minutes here. He's on a 2-way, so he'll get looked at against NBA competition. If he's up to it, they might shuffle to bring him up. But give him a full season of regular minutes in Austin, and I think he's here next year, and playing with confidence.

[r0drig0lac]

I'm all for Ben Moore and Quindarry to be on the big squad. Get rid of Beli/Forbes/Mills

[look_at_g_shred]

Kyle Anderson? Vomit bomb.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Also, there wasn’t an offer sheet north of $1.6mm. There were offers north of it, but people didn’t want to lock up cap space while Spurs dicked around for 72 hours.


There was a qualifying offer from the Spurs for $1.6M. That's how a player gets to be restricted. I could go pull the news stories on it, but really.

If another team had made him an offer, it would have had to be in the form of an offer sheet, and the Spurs would have had the right to match. That's how RFA works. None were ever reported. Many teams are reluctant to screw with restricted agents, because of the likelihood of getting their offer matched. In the early part of that FA period, players were being snatched up quickly. A team couldn't afford to waste the days, waiting to see if their offer would be matched. That much is just simple free agency mechanics.

The Spurs didn't do anything wrong, and I never said they did - no matter how much some people want to twist my words. I said I didn't like the way they handled it. I don't like asparagus, and I don't like cats. But I don't equate the two.

Hope that clears everything up, cuz I'm really tired of the subject.

[SAGirl]

Hanga did complain about the Spurs backing out of a deal. He was in San Antonio for his physical and waiting to sign when apparently the Spurs pivoted in a different direction and he took his offer in Europe. Karma.

But in reality it seems that until a contract is signed parties are allowed to change their minds in this system.

[cjw]

There was a qualifying offer from the Spurs for $1.6M. That's how a player gets to be restricted. I could go pull the news stories on it, but really.

If another team had made him an offer, it would have had to be in the form of an offer sheet, and the Spurs would have had the right to match. That's how RFA works. None were ever reported. Many teams are reluctant to screw with restricted agents, because of the likelihood of getting their offer matched. In the early part of that FA period, players were being snatched up quickly. A team couldn't afford to waste the days, waiting to see if their offer would be matched. That much is just simple free agency mechanics.

The Spurs didn't do anything wrong, and I never said they did - no matter how much some people want to twist my words. I said I didn't like the way they handled it. I don't like asparagus, and I don't like cats. But I don't equate the two.

Hope that clears everything up, cuz I'm really tired of the subject.

I understand how it works (but good rundown for the loads of people who don’t get it). I just didn’t understand which argument you were making.

I completely agree with you, Spurs played by the rules. But you can play by the rules and still dick Simmons over. Do it once in a while and you don’t get a reputation. Do it all the time and agents will hold it against you.

What the Knicks did may still be kosher by the rules (let’s see) but against unwritten rules. What the Spurs did with Simmons teams do all the time.

Hope that clears up where I’m coming from.

[DPG21920]

The reason this is a big deal and not comparable to other similar scenarios was because it was Morris/Klutch word that led to SA trading a valuable player.

If it were just money, then that’s one thing. But to commit knowing SA had to make a trade in order to secure you? This is pretty unprecedented.

[marinoman]

They already play offense in a phone booth with 3 starters that don’t shoot 3s, yea sure get kyle Anderson.

[EricB]

Hanga did complain about the Spurs backing out of a deal. He was in San Antonio for his physical and waiting to sign when apparently the Spurs pivoted in a different direction and he took his offer in Europe. Karma.

But in reality it seems that until a contract is signed parties are allowed to change their minds in this system.


Karma :rolleyes

[EricB]

I guess I just never understood why the Spurs moved heaven and earth (not to mention Bertans) in the first place just for a shot at this guy.

"It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. But for Wales?”


Bertans was gone next year anyways. This worked out perfect.

[cjw]

The reason this is a big deal and not comparable to other similar scenarios was because it was Morris/Klutch word that led to SA trading a valuable player.

If it were just money, then that’s one thing. But to commit knowing SA had to make a trade in order to secure you? This is pretty unprecedented.

Yes, someone gets it. This is where his agent is completely in the wrong.

[spurraider21]

The reason this is a big deal and not comparable to other similar scenarios was because it was Morris/Klutch word that led to SA trading a valuable player.

If it were just money, then that’s one thing. But to commit knowing SA had to make a trade in order to secure you? This is pretty unprecedented.
yeah. and its another thing if, say, the spurs traded bertans without any commitments, just to free up the MLE to pursue players... similar to when they traded tiago before having any commitments from LMA. but that trade was made specifically based on morris' word, not just some general risk-reward tactic by the spurs

[Payote75]

Yea I just wish this would end already. At this point yes I wanted him to beat up on kawitter and LeBron but do we even want him? he not only renegging he keeping the spurs in limbo. We should not be there to catch him if he falls if the Knicks don't come through. Let him swallow his pride and sign with the Lakers who cares.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Maybe Ben Moore can grab the spot?

[SAGirl]

Karma :rolleyes
It’s an expression. Triggered?

[BillMc]

I wonder what the delay is? Either be a bastard and renege or sign with the team you committed to. Fish or cut bait.

I can only wonder if he's playing NY and SA against each other for better terms? Or even another team has entered the bidding?

[FkLA]

Yea I just wish this would end already. At this point yes I wanted him to beat up on kawitter and LeBron but do we even want him? he not only renegging he keeping the spurs in limbo. We should not be there to catch him if he falls if the Knicks don't come through. Let him swallow his pride and sign with the Lakers who cares.

Eh who cares about waiting. It's not like the pool of forwards isnt dried up already. Might as well wait and see if Morris changes his mind again.

[Ocotillo]

I am over being pissed about Morris. He has not reneged yet, so if he comes, great. If he doesn't, that's ok too. He would be a nice addition to the team this year and provide some much needed toughness and someone to rest Rudy, go against Nephew and Lebron. If he doesn't come, the young guys get more burn. Hell, Keldon may have more time with the big boys than Austin. You still have the MLE in case someone is waived that you want.

As far as the Knicks go, revenge is dish best served cold.

[SAGirl]

I wonder what the delay is? Either be a bastard and renege or sign with the team you committed to. Fish or cut bait.

I can only wonder if he's playing NY and SA against each other for better terms? Or even another team has entered the bidding?
I haven’t read the 20 pages since yesterday afternoon but a guess is that Reggie Bullock not getting his deal done with the Knicks is holding up Morris signing his deal. There’s a small chance I guess that Morris ends up in San Antonio after all if the Knicks can’t free up the cap space for him.

[Ocotillo]

Adding to above, even if he does sign here, he will likely be gone next year so it's not like he figures in long term anyway.

It sucks if lose Bertans and don't get Morris but I wish Davis the best. Likely he will fit better where he is going.

[timvp]

Eh who cares about waiting. It's not like the pool of forwards isnt dried up already. Might as well wait and see if Morris changes his mind again.

:tu The longer this is drawn out, the better it is for the Spurs. And, like you said, there's no harm in waiting at this point. The Spurs going to miss out on Jon Leuer? :lol

The Knicks are facing more time pressure because they'll want to decide what to do with their cap space.

[DPG21920]

yeah. and its another thing if, say, the spurs traded bertans without any commitments, just to free up the MLE to pursue players... similar to when they traded tiago before having any commitments from LMA. but that trade was made specifically based on morris' word, not just some general risk-reward tactic by the spurs

Exactly. That’s mainly why I’m so up in arms about this. I get Morris getting a new offer with more money, but past the surface this is pretty extraordinary with regards to how bad of business this looks regardless of the outcome now.

[Payote75]

Eh who cares about waiting. It's not like the pool of forwards isnt dried up already. Might as well wait and see if Morris changes his mind again.

I hear you but it's not about that if the Knicks cant redo deal with Bullock why should the spurs take him back his heart clearly wasn't here he within his right wants the money so go find it. He is/was willing to go bk on his word knowing the organisation made a trade an asset that belonged to the spurs given away cause he renegging. So if the knick deal falls through let him go find another with another team. We not talking Karl Malone here. If it was just a signing and a renegging I would of been annoyed but whatever bit because we gave away a piece that could have been packaged in a different deal yea I don't want him on the spurs he sucks as a person even more than we thought before hand.

[Keepin' it real]

Millennial black NBA player decision:

Play for a curmudgeonny old white man in a stinky small city that has muffin tops as far as the eye can see.

OR

Play in New York New York for a trendy black coach, with Russian beauties as far as the eye can see, and the other gazillion perks NYC offers, especially for a young millionaire.

Hmmm, what a tough choice.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I wonder what the delay is? Either be a bastard and renege or sign with the team you committed to. Fish or cut bait.

I can only wonder if he's playing NY and SA against each other for better terms? Or even another team has entered the bidding?


Maybe Bullock (sp?) is holding up the deal

[Marcus Bryant]

:tu The longer this is drawn out, the better it is for the Spurs. And, like you said, there's no harm in waiting at this point. The Spurs going to miss out on Jon Leuer? :lol

The Knicks are facing more time pressure because they'll want to decide what to do with their cap space.

Also gotta talk Reggie Bullock out of $20MM.

[Dverde]

Fitzdale trying to rook us. I forgot that clown was in NYC.

[RD2191]

Which faggot mod locked my kyle Anderson thread?

[RD2191]

He's gone. He'd of signed already if he was coming to SA.

[cool cat]

We will go from a Starter caliber player to looking at some 3rd string scrubs.

[spurraider21]

He's gone. He'd of signed already if he was coming to SA.
could say the same for NY though...

[DPG21920]

:tu The longer this is drawn out, the better it is for the Spurs. And, like you said, there's no harm in waiting at this point. The Spurs going to miss out on Jon Leuer? :lol

The Knicks are facing more time pressure because they'll want to decide what to do with their cap space.

What pressure? Its obvious Morris is just a trade chip for them. So if they “miss out” they can just keep the powder dry to absorb a player for a pick vs trading one for a pick (like Morris). Don’t think there is much pressure.

Feels like Kawhi/LAC. Morris buying NY time to do their thing so he can get his money.

[DPG21920]

could say the same for NY though...


Not really - Reggie deal has to be worked out first.

[JADG79]

I think Spurs can waive another player (Marco or Metu) and use MLE to sign two player instead of one and try to fill the hole.

We know there are not starter caliber player but maybe is not bad at all, they have 9.2M to spend.

[Degoat]

Waive Metu, sign Justin holiday and trey lyles?? Not a terrible consolation for Morris screwing us

[timvp]

Not really - Reggie deal has to be worked out first.

Not really, tbh. If the Knicks put the ~$15 million on the table for Morris like reports indicate, that means they're not planning to use any salary cap space on Bullock.

[spurraider21]

Waive Metu, sign Justin holiday and trey lyles?? Not a terrible consolation for Morris screwing us
yeah it is. lyles is garbage and a heavy downgrade from bertans. holiday is just another guard to compete for minutes with walker/white/forbes. not somebody who's helping us

[hater]

He was a scrub anyway. Why anyone was celebrating this signing is beyond me

This niga is basically a poor man's washed up Carlos boozer lite

[DPG21920]

Not really, tbh. If the Knicks put the ~$15 million on the table for Morris like reports indicate, that means they're not planning to use any salary cap space on Bullock.

Perhaps, but doesn’t seem far fetched to me that it was a tentative offer pending their ability to get Reggie to accept these terms.

[slick'81]

Perhaps, but doesn’t seem far fetched to me that it was a tentative offer pending their ability to get Reggie to accept these terms.

Hed have to take the vet min for the knicks to offer 15 right?

[spurraider21]

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[cd98]

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Somebody wants more playing time.

[Mr. Body]

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He's talking to whichever canary yellow jumpsuit he's about to wear.

[exstatic]

Hed have to take the vet min for the knicks to offer 15 right?

Room exception: $4.9M

[timvp]

He's talking to whichever canary yellow jumpsuit he's about to wear.

:lol, tbh.

[dubross]

I think its really messed up from the Knicks. Why would you go after someone that has already agreed to a deal?!?

[Hyperhypo]

I think its really messed up from the Knicks. Why would you go after someone that has already agreed to a deal?!?
Dude, it's the Knickerbockers. We are all playing basketball while they are getting ready for a softball tournament.

[Play Boban]

I told you this POS was cancerous. :wakeup

[Dverde]

I think its really messed up from the Knicks. Why would you go after someone that has already agreed to a deal?!?

:lol they didn’t even want him. They spent all their money on other players at the same position. My guess is his agent pushed hard to get a deal with them. They knew this is the one idiot who might do this. Spurs went out of their way to sign Morris. Ungrateful to no end.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

So sad. Such an elaborate plot just to get back at skip Bayless.

[TD 21]

Even if the Celtics haven't yet renounced his rights and they're agreeable to Belinelli (they did free up a roster spot by waiving Yabusele), Metu and possibly a minor asset, they only combined to make roughly $7.3 million. With the Spurs being over the cap, I don't see how they could get him more money even if they wanted to.

[temujin]

Morris and his brother are right up there with Cousins as quintessential NON-Spurs material.
We saw what Bertans brings in the playoffs.
Other than for the third year attached to the Carrol contract, this decision is a blessing in disguise.

[Dverde]

So sad. Such an elaborate plot just to get back at skip Bayless.
:lol :lol :lol

[Keepin' it real]

Somebody wants more playing time.

Huh? He's talking about opportunity to play for Pop and Spurs.

[Leetonidas]

Is this faggot ever going to make up his mind

[DPG21920]

Even if the Celtics haven't yet renounced his rights and they're agreeable to Belinelli (they did free up a roster spot by waiving Yabusele), Metu and possibly a minor asset, they only combined to make roughly $7.3 million. With the Spurs being over the cap, I don't see how they could get him more money even if they wanted to.

By trading Mills instead. If they traded Mills, Morris can get much more than 10M

[look_at_g_shred]

By trading Mills instead. If they traded Mills, Morris can get much more than 10M
DPG don't get me excited like that smh

[TD 21]

By trading Mills instead. If they traded Mills, Morris can get much more than 10M

Sure, but I obviously meant in terms of things that were within' the realm of possibilities.

[DPG21920]

Sure, but I obviously meant in terms of things that were within' the realm of possibilities.

Ok, If you did Beli + Forbes (8.72M) you could still take Morris salary from 10M to 13.7M

[spurraider21]

pretty sure mills just got the fuck the spurs in the ass award, or whatever its called, so i doubt they're about to trade him

[Mugen]

By trading Mills instead. If they traded Mills, Morris can get much more than 10M

https://i.imgflip.com/sde5r.jpg

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DistinctAthlete/status/1149071077513027584

[kobyz]

We should have went after Boogie, PATFO had to be smartass and not do the obvious thing!

[mo7888]

Ok, If you did Beli + Forbes (8.72M) you could still take Morris salary from 10M to 13.7M

We would still have the MLE?

[spurraider21]

We would still have the MLE?
yes, but there's nobody left to really use it on. most of it would likely be preserved for some midseason pickup

[Dex]

By trading Mills instead. If they traded Mills, Morris can get much more than 10M

Come on DPG. You and I both know Mills ain't going nowhere, no matter how much SpursTalk hems and haws about it.

Might as well just leave it out of the discussion.

[DPG21920]

But with trading Bertans for Carroll, and the apparent wanting of trading Beli for another FA, would adding in Forbes to the equation to accomplish that goal be too much?

If it gets Morris the extra money to match the offer and still allows you to stay on your apparent plan, is it TOO much?

Would get an extra roster spot because of it and truly clear the guard logjam.

But that sends a crappy message IMO. But at the end of the day is trading Beli/Forbes/Bertans for Morris/Carroll/9M MLE a good deal?

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs can't do anything, this is all about how much Reggie Bullock signs for

[DPG21920]

Come on DPG. You and I both know Mills ain't going nowhere, no matter how much SpursTalk hems and haws about it.

Might as well just leave it out of the discussion.

I know - was just giving an example

[Payote75]

No man don't give this dude a dime more eff him who really wants him on the team right now? We always ragging about loyalty deals and how spurs go above and beyond with those things you think players don't know that . You get rewarded for doing the right thing let this dude move on.

[slick'81]

Ironic that mills is now the one thing keeping the spurs from actually improving as a basketball team

[MoSpur02]

We should have went after Boogie, PATFO had to be smartass and not do the obvious thing!

Hindsight is always 20/20. Morris is a better pickup than Cousins. The Spurs didn't know Morris would pull this kind of stunt.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

pretty sure mills just got the fuck the spurs in the ass award, or whatever its called, so i doubt they're about to trade himRemember when Parker said he wanted to play with the Spurs until he was 40? Mills will be the one to actually do it.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

No man don't give this dude a dime more eff him who really wants him on the team right now? We always ragging about loyalty deals and how spurs go above and beyond with those things you think players don't know that . You get rewarded for doing the right thing let this dude move on.but the Spurs are kind of screwed with out him because of the Bertans trade.

[EricB]

We should have went after Boogie, PATFO had to be smartass and not do the obvious thing!


He stinks and even alienated the Warriors.

[Mugen]

But with trading Bertans for Carroll, and the apparent wanting of trading Beli for another FA, would adding in Forbes to the equation to accomplish that goal be too much?

If it gets Morris the extra money to match the offer and still allows you to stay on your apparent plan, is it TOO much?

Would get an extra roster spot because of it and truly clear the guard logjam.

But that sends a crappy message IMO. But at the end of the day is trading Beli/Forbes/Bertans for Morris/Carroll/9M MLE a good deal?

:lmao.....wait...is that a serious question?

[Mugen]

Good god, Spurfan thinks Bryn is a vital piece of this team going forward....jesus christ almighty.

[DPG21920]

:lmao.....wait...is that a serious question?

Yeah it’s a serious question. Spurs already had a deal in place with Morris that didn’t involve losing 2 players. Him pulling this then having to lose 2 players and pay him more? It’s a serious question in the context of the situation.

[r0drig0lac]

But with trading Bertans for Carroll, and the apparent wanting of trading Beli for another FA, would adding in Forbes to the equation to accomplish that goal be too much?

If it gets Morris the extra money to match the offer and still allows you to stay on your apparent plan, is it TOO much?

Would get an extra roster spot because of it and truly clear the guard logjam.

But that sends a crappy message IMO. But at the end of the day is trading Beli/Forbes/Bertans for Morris/Carroll/9M MLE a good deal!

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[DJR210]

Considering Pop is so committed to principal, they should withdraw the offer on this piece of shit before he takes the consolation prize

[Mugen]

Yeah it’s a serious question. Spurs already had a deal in place with Morris that didn’t involve losing 2 players. Him pulling this then having to lose 2 players and pay him more? It’s a serious question in the context of the situation.

Okay, I'll answer it.

Yes, it's a GREAT deal and I would think the Spurs wouldn't be dumb enough to let hurting the feelings of two losers like Beli/Bryn stop them from significantly improving the roster.

Even before this Morris shit went down, they needed to free up minutes for Lonnie and move on from as many losers as possible from last year's team.

[sasaint]

No man don't give this dude a dime more eff him who really wants him on the team right now? We always ragging about loyalty deals and how spurs go above and beyond with those things you think players don't know that . You get rewarded for doing the right thing let this dude move on.

Totally agree. I was looking forward to having Marcus on the team, but not now.

[GreekSpursfan]

How many shooters do we have, actual shooters? Outside of Forbes i would say Belli and Mills who have nothing to offer based on last season. I would say Forbes is very vital in todays NBA. Bring me better options and then Forbes can go.
If we give up Forbes just to aquire Morris(who's not that good to begin with) then we are dumb as fuck.

[sasaint]

Considering Pop is so committed to principal, they should withdraw the offer on this piece of shit before he takes the consolation prize


Yep. Casts the Spurs in a very bad light.

[MannyIsGod]

Never mind. You were one of the losers who pushed the rumor that the Spurs offered Simmons $9M per, and then started treating it like fact - even though they never offered him anything other than the $1.6M QO. So you make up your own stories a lot, it seems, and then fight about them. You don't have the right to go talking about bad takes.


https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/report-spurs-never-made-jonathon-simmons-an-offer
"But contrary to any reports that the Spurs were interested in keeping him, come this nugget from our own Casey Keirnan that San Antonio never made Simmons an offer whatsoever."

The Spurs lifted the FA tag eventually, which they didn't have to do. It didn't take a genius to see that it would have helped him more to do it sooner. I would have preferred that route, since I don't think they wanted him to stay. It's that simple.

Bro you literally started a thread today making things up. LOL.

Look, its not my fault you're coming up with bad takes. Its going to be OK.

[Mugen]

How many shooters do we have, actual shooters? Outside of Forbes i would say Belli and Mills who have nothing to offer based on last season. I would say Forbes is very vital in todays NBA. Bring me better options and then Forbes can go.
If we give up Forbes just to aquire Morris(who's not that good to begin with) then we are dumb as fuck.

Lonnie. I'll take the dip in outside shooting to get a boost at literally at everything else. There were people upset about losing Gary Neal as well. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

LMAO. It was a $1.6M qualifying offer. Everyone knew there would be an offer sheet north of that, so why even bring it up.

Now, stop being a pussy and show us the quote where I equated the Simmons and Morris situations. You said it minutes ago, so I know you can find it.

You can't even keep who you're replying to in order.

[sasaint]

:lmao.....wait...is that a serious question?


I took it as rhetorical.

[slick'81]

Maybe the spurs are exploring options to free up space but im not giving this fcker an extra penny if it means attaching a pick to appease morris pocket book

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should just wait it out til the Knicks sign Bullock. If you don't get Morris offer Oubre the MLE which Phoenix would most likely match. Only option really worth trading for is Covington.

[cd98]

Maybe the spurs are exploring options to free up space but im not giving this fcker an extra penny if it means attaching a pick to appease morris pocket book

Spurs aren't giving up a pick for a one year rental. Either NY comes up with the money and they sign Morris or he signs with the Spurs like he promised. The Spurs aren't wasting more resources for a guy that has shown he is not a sure thing despite his word.

[GreekSpursfan]

Lonnie. I'll take the dip in outside shooting to get a boost at literally at everything else. There were people upset about losing Gary Neal as well. :lol

Lonnie has shown absolutely nothing yet, lets not be prisoners of the moment against scrubs, you can't cound on nothing going forward when Pop is your coach. Last time we saw Lonnie against real competition he was horrible, all over the place. If we are tanking and Becky is the coach then let Forbes go.

[MannyIsGod]

Good god, Spurfan thinks Bryn is a vital piece of this team going forward....jesus christ almighty.

He's a cheap 3 point shooter that actually overcame his playoff demons of past and did well last year. I'm not sure why you're so eager to trade him. He's got a really small contract. He fills a role on a contender.

[MannyIsGod]

Lonnie. I'll take the dip in outside shooting to get a boost at literally at everything else. There were people upset about losing Gary Neal as well. :lol

Except that there's no need to trade Forbes to get Lonnie as he's already here. Its not either or.

We didn't have to trade Steve Kerry to play SJax in 03.

Getting Morris and Carrol is good, but what good is the MLE now if we get Morris outside of using it? I'd rather have Forbes than have the MLE.

[slick'81]

He's a cheap 3 point shooter that actually overcame his playoff demons of past and did well last year. I'm not sure why you're so eager to trade him. He's got a really small contract. He fills a role on a contender.


Exactly people hate this guy when mills 12.5 is handicapping the fck outta sa

[Mugen]

He's a cheap 3 point shooter that actually overcame his playoff demons of past and did well last year. I'm not sure why you're so eager to trade him. He's got a really small contract. He fills a role on a contender.


Except that there's no need to trade Forbes to get Lonnie as he's already here. Its not either or.

We didn't have to trade Steve Kerry to play SJax in 03.

Getting Morris and Carrol is good, but what good is the MLE now if we get Morris outside of using it? I'd rather have Forbes than have the MLE.

Because Forbes is going to take away minutes from Lonnie. Guaran-fucking-tee it with the old man still our coach.

Sure, I'd love to keep Forbes and ship out Fatty instead but that isn't realistic.

Bryn is fine if the Spurs didn't have much better talent ahead of him in the guard spots or a coach known for playing his guys over much talented players. Well, neither of those things apply so ship his fucking ass out.

I bet you were one of the guys that said Pau should be kept last year because Jakob wasn't ready :lol

[Pavlov]

I almost want to sign Reggie Bullock now.

[MannyIsGod]

The way Kerr took minutes from Sjax and Manu in 03? The way Steve Smith took those minutes from Sjax and Manu in 03?

If Lonnie is good enough, he'll play. Thats the bottom line, and that's been Pop's standard with young players since forever. You guys act like Pop is wrong for not playing scrubs more. Hill played. Kawhi played. Parker plaeyd. Manu played. SJax played. DEJUAN FUCKING BLAIR PLAYED.


Same fucking argument 24/7 on this site. Shits tired.

[Mugen]

:lol Thinking 2003 Pop = 2020 Pop...it's like some posters haven't watched the Spurs since 2014 tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah he should have played Kyle Anderson so much more, TBH.

[MannyIsGod]

Literally every pick since 2014 that they've signed has played a lot in the 2nd year. Dejonte fucking Murray started in his 2nd year.

[Mugen]

Just start working on the excuses why Patty and Bryn are playing significantly more than Lonnie, my man.

Got another 2-3 years left of sniffing the old man's asshole, might as well get your whiffs in now.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh yeah Derrick White started his 2nd year too. Weird.

[MannyIsGod]

To be fair, Kyle Anderson took till year 3 to start. Pop holding him back so much.

[MannyIsGod]

Just start working on the excuses why Patty and Bryn are playing significantly more than Lonnie, my man.

Got another 2-3 years left of sniffing the old man's asshole, might as well get your whiffs in now.

Seriously, name the young players Pop has held back on this team. The ones that he hasn't played much and then have gone on to be good players elsewhere in the league. Especially since 2014 since you want to focus on that era. Can you name even one?

[Pavlov]

Literally every pick since 2014 that they've signed has played a lot in the 2nd year. Dejonte fucking Murray started in his 2nd year.


Oh yeah Derrick White started his 2nd year too. Weird.:lol he'll never acknowledge either one.

Doesn't fit his agenda.

[MannyIsGod]

Here Mugen, let me get you started:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/draft.html

[FkLA]

Is there a realistic way (in other words w/o trading team leader Wombat) for the Spurs to get under the cap more than the MLE amount?

If so, what if the Spurs actually knew about this days ago and it's where MoSpur's rumor came from? Maybe trading Belli+others has always been about freeing up more money for Morris? Maybe he came at PATFO straight and is giving them a chance to up their offer? Mo did mention that the reason behind trading Belli was to sign a FA forward.

[spurraider21]

forbes played more minutes per game than white did last year

[Mugen]

:lol he'll never acknowledge either one.

Doesn't fit his agenda.

Or you know, Porky and Dejounte were each hurt those years. :lol

[spurraider21]

Is there a realistic way (in other words w/o trading team leader Wombat) for the Spurs to get under the cap more than the MLE amount?

If so, what if the Spurs actually knew about this days ago and it's where MoSpur's rumor came from? Maybe trading Belli+others has always been about freeing up more money for Morris? Maybe he came at PATFO straight and is giving them a chance to up their offer? Mo did mention that the reason behind trading Belli was to sign a FA forward.
if you get under the cap, you lose access to the MLE

[timtonymanu]

Just start working on the excuses why Patty and Bryn are playing significantly more than Lonnie, my man.

Got another 2-3 years left of sniffing the old man's asshole, might as well get your whiffs in now.

Watch out T Park might come in with his heavy breathing and tell you to drink draino

[Mugen]

Watch out T Park might come in with his heavy breathing and tell you to drink draino

Chump, Manny, Trailer Park....just need my man timvp now to chime in to say how Pop has never given preferential treatment to one of his guys over a more talented player and we can have a complete Pop Sucker Infinity Guantlet :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Seriously, name the young players Pop has held back on this team. The ones that he hasn't played much and then have gone on to be good players elsewhere in the league. Especially since 2014 since you want to focus on that era. Can you name even one?


Or you know, Porky and Dejounte were each hurt those years. :lol

[slick'81]

Chump, Manny, Trailer Park....just need my man timvp now to chime in to say how Pop has never given preferential treatment to one of his guys over a more talented player and we can have a complete Pop Sucker Infinity Guantlet :lol


Daamn

[MannyIsGod]

Seriously, name the young players Pop has held back on this team. The ones that he hasn't played much and then have gone on to be good players elsewhere in the league. Especially since 2014 since you want to focus on that era. Can you name even one?


Chump, Manny, Trailer Park....just need my man timvp now to chime in to say how Pop has never given preferential treatment to one of his guys over a more talented player and we can have a complete Pop Sucker Infinity Guantlet :lol

[TimDunkem]

Chump, Manny, Trailer Park....just need my man timvp now to chime in to say how Pop has never given preferential treatment to one of his guys over a more talented player and we can have a complete Pop Sucker Infinity Guantlet :lol

:lmao

[Mugen]

Lonnie needs minutes. I honestly don't give that much of a shit about Morris coming or reneging. Whatever ends up with Lonnie getting more minutes, that's what I'm for tbh.

[FkLA]

Seriously, name the young players Pop has held back on this team. The ones that he hasn't played much and then have gone on to be good players elsewhere in the league. Especially since 2014 since you want to focus on that era. Can you name even one?

Tbf neither White or Murray had to deal with the logjam that currently exists at guard. Not to mention they both benefited from injuries (Tony in 17-18, Murray himself in 18-19). I think it's completely reasonable to be worried about Forbes+Wombat seeing minutes before Lonnie. I mean Pop closed the last 20 mins of a Game 7 with Patty instead of the clearly superior White ffs.

[Pavlov]

Or you know, Porky and Dejounte were each hurt those years. :lolWhy did Murray stay a starter when Parker was healthy?

[RD2191]

Watch out T Park might come in with his heavy breathing and tell you to drink draino

:lmao

[timtonymanu]

Chump, Manny, Trailer Park....just need my man timvp now to chime in to say how Pop has never given preferential treatment to one of his guys over a more talented player and we can have a complete Pop Sucker Infinity Guantlet :lol

Don’t forget Marcus Bryant

[Mugen]

Why did Murray stay a starter when Parker was healthy?

It was probably Tony's idea tbh. :lol

[FkLA]

if you get under the cap, you lose access to the MLE

I know that. I'm saying the MLE is what, like $9.3mill per right? I'm asking if the Spurs can realistically get under the cap an amount that would be larger than that $9.3mill?

[Pavlov]

It was probably Tony's idea tbh. :lol
Explain this theory.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Sure taking a long time for Bullock to re-do his deal. Maybe he isn't budging as much as the Knicks first thought

[MannyIsGod]

Tbf neither White or Murray had to deal with the logjam that currently exists at guard. Not to mention they both benefited from injuries (Tony in 17-18, Murray himself in 18-19). I think it's completely reasonable to be worried about Forbes+Wombat seeing minutes before Lonnie. I mean Pop closed the last 20 mins of a Game 7 with Patty instead of the clearly superior White ffs.

Are you forgetting that White was fucking awful that game?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201904270DEN.html


None of ya'll can name a single player that Pop didn't play that went on to play well elsewhere yet your worried that he's somehow going to keep a fucking all star Lonnie on the bench because of Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills when all of Pops history says otherwise. When I bring up Pops early career, y'all say that Pop hasn't done that shit lately and when I point out Pops recent history y'all make fucking excuses.

Its fine to complain when Pop actually fucks up, but this ain't it and doing so just sounds fucking stupid and gets old. Just make sure your critiques are based on reality. If that makes me a "Pop sucker" then I'm ok with that. Jesus fucking christ man.

[Mugen]

Explain this theory.

You're not suckering me into one of your 5 page back and forths, you old fuck. :lol

I'm not in the business of changing Pop Suckers' minds, just here to enjoy the annual "there's nothing Pop could have done differently" regurgitation.

[MannyIsGod]

TBH Mugen dodges questions the way Morris dodges physicals.

[Pavlov]

You're not suckering me into one of your 5 page back and forths, you old fuck. :lol

I'm not in the business of changing Pop Suckers' minds, just here to enjoy the annual "there's nothing Pop could have done differently" regurgitation.You got called out.

You're backing down.

Good boy.

[Blackhaus]

This still a Morris bashing thread or did we move on to our own players again?

[MannyIsGod]

You're not suckering me into one of your 5 page back and forths, you old fuck. :lol

I'm not in the business of changing Pop Suckers' minds, just here to enjoy the annual "there's nothing Pop could have done differently" regurgitation.

Its ok to just admit when you're wrong. Its just Spurstalk. You won't die dude.

[FkLA]

Are you forgetting that White was fucking awful that game?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201904270DEN.html


None of ya'll can name a single player that Pop didn't play that went on to play well elsewhere yet your worried that he's somehow going to keep a fucking all star Lonnie on the bench because of Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills when all of Pops history says otherwise. When I bring up Pops early career, y'all say that Pop hasn't done that shit lately and when I point out Pops recent history y'all make fucking excuses.

Its fine to complain when Pop actually fucks up, but this ain't it and doing so just sounds fucking stupid and gets old. Just make sure your critiques are based on reality. If that makes me a "Pop sucker" then I'm ok with that. Jesus fucking christ man.

Are you forgetting that Wombat shot 20% for the series, including 10% from 3? And that he's a turnstyle on defense? And that he didn't do shit those last 20 mins of Game 7 either?

Yeah, White was sucking it up that Game 7 (just like the rest of the team outside Gay+Forbes IIRC) but he was still easily the better option.

[Gobigorgohome]

How many pages will this go. is this what we as fans come to now players are players and idiots for the most part front office knows what they are doing look at the draft and look how they set us up for success every year. we do not need aging screw up i mean come on use yalls heads a little here. Be great-full we are not any other big market team that has dumb front office ie lakers knicks or anyone else. We are very lucky to have a great organization and team.

[MannyIsGod]

Are you forgetting that Wombat shot 20% for the series, including 10% from 3? And that he's a turnstyle on defense? And that he didn't do shit those last 20 mins of Game 7 either?

Yeah, White was sucking it up that Game 7 (just like the rest of the team outside Gay+Forbes IIRC) but he was still easily the better option.

I mean it was honestly a wash. White provides better defense, Mills provides better shooting. They both sucked that night. I don't think Pop playing Mills is the reason they lost that game, but if you go by the season Pop started White, not Mills. Pointing to one game, even a game 7, is just ONE game.

And actually, the Spurs massively cut into the lead when Mills came into the 2nd half. I'm not even sure why this is a negative.

Lonnie will get his shot but if you want to value that one game 7 over 20 years of Pop's history with young players then thats on you.

[Pavlov]

How many pages will this go.200 now that we're not actually talking about Morris anymore.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why did Murray stay a starter when Parker was healthy?

because Parker told Pop to start Murray. Otherwise Pop would've kept starting Parker

[spurraider21]

Lonnie needs minutes. I honestly don't give that much of a shit about Morris coming or reneging. Whatever ends up with Lonnie getting more minutes, that's what I'm for tbh.
i do because it cost us bertans for no reason. even if you werent a big fan of him, he still had value, and at the very least could have been a trade chip. 7 mil expiring deal who can also help a team on the floor. if we dont get morris we basically fucked ourselves during the season where GS/Hou are vulnerable

[Pavlov]

because Parker told Pop to start Murray. Otherwise Pop would've kept starting ParkerThat still shits on your theory.:lol

[TD 21]

Ok, If you did Beli + Forbes (8.72M) you could still take Morris salary from 10M to 13.7M

I knew you'd say that, but Forbes is probably close to what I said about Mills, at least in this current context.

Once DeRozan is gone or they find a starting 3 or 4 that's a knockdown shooter, the calculus changes. In the absence of that, Forbes' 3-point shooting is needed with the starters and as a sometimes closer.

[FkLA]

I mean it was honestly a wash. White provides better defense, Mills provides better shooting. They both sucked that night. I don't think Pop playing Mills is the reason they lost that game, but if you go by the season Pop started White, not Mills. Pointing to one game, even a game 7, is just ONE game.

Lonnie will get his shot but if you want to value that one game 7 over 20 years of Pop's history with young players then thats on you.

How is it a wash when one player is clearly better? If Manu Ginobili and Gary Neal are both struggling, you go with Manu Ginobili every single time. Especially in a Game 7. How is this any different?

We'll see. I hope you're right but I think the fear that he won't get much more than spot minutes is warranted.

[RD2191]

You're not suckering me into one of your 5 page back and forths, you old fuck. :lol

I'm not in the business of changing Pop Suckers' minds, just here to enjoy the annual "there's nothing Pop could have done differently" regurgitation.

:lmao:lmao

[tonight...you]

You got called out.

You're backing down.

Good boy.
Shnap!

[MannyIsGod]

How is it a wash when one player is clearly better? If Manu Ginobili and Gary Neal are both struggling, you go with Manu Ginobili every single time. Especially in a Game 7. How is this any different?

We'll see. I hope you're right but I think the fear that he won't get much more than spot minutes is warranted.

Derrick White is not Manu. I know y'all have already crowned him the next AS, but once again, reality.

Derrick White was straight up bad in game 7. The Spurs made it a game without him. With him in, they were down double digits.

But its ONE FUCKING GAME.

[FkLA]

Derrick White is not Manu. I know y'all have already crowned him the next AS, but once again, reality.

Derrick White was straight up bad in game 7. The Spurs made it a game without him. With him in, they were down double digits.

But its ONE FUCKING GAME.

:lol I originally had Tim Duncan/Malik Rose but I knew that would be your response so I tried to make it a little more comparable.

Let me try again since that still wasn't good enough for you, if your third best player and a spare that is shooting 20% in the playoffs are both sucking you go with your third best player every single time. Right?

[barakz21]

So has he finally decided to renege or actually sign with the spurs?

[TrainOfThought5]

What’s the latest on Morris?

[Mr. Body]

What’s the latest on Morris?

Nada nada nada. Not a damn thing.

[tonight...you]

Nada nada nada. Not a damn thing.
What's Duke Ellington without that swing?

[DAF86]

:lol I originally had Tim Duncan/Malik Rose but I knew that would be your response so I tried to make it a little more comparable.

Let me try again since that still wasn't good enough for you, if your third best player and a spare that is shooting 20% in the playoffs are both sucking you go with your third best player every single time. Right?

No reason to go that far either. If neither player is hitting shit, at least go with the guy that can actually defend and playmake a bit.

[BWS-1994]

This still a Morris bashing thread or did we move on to our own players again?

:lol

[DAF86]

Dude, this really sucks. What the hell do the Knicks even want Morris for? He will probably not even finish the season with them. Just be cool, stay out of the way and let the team, that actually needs him, get him.

[timtonymanu]

Lol a wash. Did wombat bring anything of value that entire series? I guess his culture, towel waving from the bench?

[Mr. Body]

What's Duke Ellington without that swing?

What's Alex Haley if it doesn't have roots?

[tonight...you]

Dude, this really sucks. What the hell do the Knicks even want Morris for? He will probably not even finish the season with them. Just be cool, stay out of the way and let the team, that actually needs him, get him.
I would not be surprised if they already have trades in mind and he's the main moving piece, once the season goes.
He's just ripe for a sign to trade kind of player. For whatever NYK's purpose.

[tonight...you]

What's Alex Haley if it doesn't have roots?
Tribe fan...
#Respect

[benefactor]

Watch out T Park might come in with his heavy breathing and tell you to drink draino


Chump, Manny, Trailer Park....just need my man timvp now to chime in to say how Pop has never given preferential treatment to one of his guys over a more talented player and we can have a complete Pop Sucker Infinity Guantlet :lol
:lol

[NASpurs]

You're not suckering me into one of your 5 page back and forths, you old fuck. :lol

I'm not in the business of changing Pop Suckers' minds, just here to enjoy the annual "there's nothing Pop could have done differently" regurgitation.

crofl

[Mugen]

:lol Back online, guess the Suckers are still riled up...

All I know is that DWhite was the Spurs "Most Important Player" in 2019, so important that it led to the following:

Regular Season Minutes Per Game:
-Bryn Forbes: 28 MPG
-DWhite: 25 MPG

Playoffs Minutes Per Game:
-Bryn Forbes: 30 MPG
-DWhite: 27 MPG

:lmao

[Marcus Bryant]

https://d2cwpp38twqe55.cloudfront.net/req/201905091/images/players/bryanma01.jpg

Marcus, with ten million dollars you can live like a king in San Antonio de Bexar.

[Marcus Bryant]

https://d2cwpp38twqe55.cloudfront.net/req/201905091/images/players/bryanma01.jpg

Fifteen large in New York is working class, man.

[Degoat]

When the heck is this guy gonna decide!?!

[Pavlov]

:lol Back online, guess the Suckers are still riled up...

All I know is that DWhite was the Spurs "Most Important Player" in 2019, so important that it led to the following:

Regular Season Minutes Per Game:
-Bryn Forbes: 28 MPG
-DWhite: 25 MPG

Playoffs Minutes Per Game:
-Bryn Forbes: 30 MPG
-DWhite: 27 MPG

:lmaoThey were both quite important.

Not sure what you're on about now, but you're certainly riled up.

[Marcus Bryant]

https://d2cwpp38twqe55.cloudfront.net/req/201905091/images/players/bryanma01.jpg

¡Hola! bitch.

[Mugen]

Back to topic, if this POS does indeed bolt to the Knicks, I'm calling the Wolves asap and offering them Dejounte + Beli + Metu for Covington ASAP.

You're going to have to make a decision out of Lonnie/DJ/White eventually, this way you get it out of the way early and tell Klutch to go fuck off....

Pop suckers will even be thrilled since you get to keep Forbes :lol

White/Fatty
Forbes/Lonnie
Derozan/Carroll
Covington/Gay
LMA/Poetl