Woj: Marcus Morris Reneging on Agreement with Spurs?

[exstatic]

When the heck is this guy gonna decide!?!

Morris isn’t the holdup. Bullock and the Knicks working out a deal for less money is. If they do, Morris will sign immediately in NY. If not, he probably comes here.

[tonight...you]

https://d2cwpp38twqe55.cloudfront.net/req/201905091/images/players/bryanma01.jpg

Marcus, with ten million dollars you can live like a king in San Antonio de Bexar.
Just think of how many times you can go to Schlitterbahn!

[Pavlov]

You're going to have to make a decision out of Lonnie/DJ/White eventuallyWhy?

[BackHome]

Morris is one stupid mofo he has to know the Knick will be tanking and will not play his ass.

[BackHome]

200 now that we're not actually talking about Morris anymore.

Lol so true :spin

[slick'81]

Morris isn’t the holdup. Bullock and the Knicks working out a deal for less money is. If they do, Morris will sign immediately in NY. If not, he probably comes here.

but even if he doesnt agree to take less wont morris get the same amount anyway

[Mr. Body]

Morris isn’t the holdup. Bullock and the Knicks working out a deal for less money is. If they do, Morris will sign immediately in NY. If not, he probably comes here.

My outside guess is Morris and Klutch are trying to dig up more money elsewhere in the league.

[tonight...you]

Morris is one stupid mofo he has to know the Knick will be tanking and will not play his ass.
Morris is the ultimate non-ring chaser.

[GAustex]

I told you this POS was cancerous. :wakeup
I predicted this too

[sasaint]

Morris is the ultimate non-ring chaser.

:lol So true!

[Dverde]

I hope New York cannot work out the offer and we make his player option a team option. How dumb

[Russ]

:lol Back online, guess the Suckers are still riled up...

All I know is that DWhite was the Spurs "Most Important Player" in 2019, so important that it led to the following:

Regular Season Minutes Per Game:
-Bryn Forbes: 28 MPG
-DWhite: 25 MPG

Playoffs Minutes Per Game:
-Bryn Forbes: 30 MPG
-DWhite: 27 MPG

:lmao

Forbes is valued so much more than anyone around here realizes.

You think they'd trade Bertans if they had any doubts?

[spurraider21]

Forbes is valued so much more than anyone around here realizes.

You think they'd trade Bertans if they had any doubts?
they traded bertans because his salary was a match for what they gave carroll, not because he was valued less than forbes

[ceperez]

they traded bertans because his salary was a match for what they gave carroll, not because he was valued less than forbes

They traded Bertans because he didn't show up in the playoffs. Plain and simple.

[spurraider21]

They traded Bertans because he didn't show up in the playoffs. Plain and simple.
you're right that he didnt show up against denver, i was on his ass about it as well

but that's not why he was traded. they had to match carroll's salary. forbes wouldn't have been enough

[Play Boban]

I predicted this too
:bobo

[sasaint]

they traded bertans because his salary was a match for what they gave carroll, not because he was valued less than forbes

Nonetheless, Pop clearly valued Forbes more than Bertans.

[Beartrucci]

Of course everyone on Around The Horn blamed the Spurs talking about how they liked "Player empowerment" :lol

[Chinook]

you're right that he didnt show up against denver, i was on his ass about it as well

but that's not why he was traded. they had to match carroll's salary. forbes wouldn't have been enough

I don't agree. Bertans was traded because Pop thought Carroll and Morris were upgrades to him. Forbes doesn't play that position. Maybe in some absolute sense, they valued Bertans more (though I don't believe so), but in the sense of the trade, I think they would have preferred to trade Davis even if he and Bryn made the same amount.

[jjktkk]

You're not suckering me into one of your 5 page back and forths, you old fuck. :lol

I'm not in the business of changing Pop Suckers' minds, just here to enjoy the annual "there's nothing Pop could have done differently" regurgitation.

Because other than your anti-Pop schtick, you can't come up with anything but shit takes.

[jjktkk]

You got called out.

You're backing down.

Good boy.

:lol

[YoungbuckMurray]

How long is this clown going to make us wait

[ace3g]

Knicks president Steve Mills and GM Scott Perry

https://twitter.com/MikeVorkunov/status/1149129335116185600

[Mugen]

Because other than your anti-Pop schtick, you can't come up with anything but shit takes.

I always seem to ruffle your vag lips, jj. Gimme a smooch, Pop says it's ok. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Q just produces.

[Joseph Kony]

tbh the longer it goes on im wondering if that favors SA, because we havent heard shit, we know SA is really tight lipped whereas fucks in NY will be leaking shit the media left and right

[Mugen]

It cracks me up that the Knicks are going to all this trouble for Marcus F'n Morris.

I guess they're pissed that Spurs disciple Sean Marks and the Brooklyn Nets absolutely ate their fucking lunch this free agency.

[Realdeal1]

I think Morris is waiting for knicks to restructure bollocks deal before signing with the knicks ... I doubt he’s sitting around contemplating his decision ..he gone

[Joseph Kony]

It cracks me up that the Knicks are going to all this trouble for Marcus F'n Morris.

I guess they're pissed that Spurs disciple Sean Marks and the Brooklyn Nets absolutely ate their fucking lunch this free agency.
it's absolutely mind boggling especially since they have a ton of PFs on their roster already. does Dolan hate pop or something? :lol

[baseline bum]

It cracks me up that the Knicks are going to all this trouble for Marcus F'n Morris.

I guess they're pissed that Spurs disciple Sean Marks and the Brooklyn Nets absolutely ate their fucking lunch this free agency.

I don't think they're too pissed considering they didn't even offer Beta a max contract. Hell I wouldn't have either though after an achilles tear.

[stxspurs]

already heard it was a done deal. lets move on.

[Mugen]

I don't think they're too pissed considering they didn't even offer Beta a max contract. Hell I wouldn't have either though after an achilles tear.

Then what's the point of going HAM on Morris? They're loaded at PF, doubt anybody is going to trade a first rounder for Morris at the deadline...

[Mr. Body]

Then what's the point of going HAM on Morris? They're loaded at PF, doubt anybody is going to trade a first rounder for Morris at the deadline...

Maybe a favor to Klutch to get stuff later.

[jjktkk]

I always seem to ruffle your vag lips, jj. Gimme a smooch, Pop says it's ok. :lol

I just find it funny that you actually believe in your shit takes. Its like you're into coprophilia, the way you get shitted on in here. :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

already heard it was a done deal. lets move on.

From who?

[Joseph Kony]

From who?

some random troll on twitter

[ironman2886]

Chris Broussard?

[Mugen]

I just find it funny that you actually believe in your shit takes. Its like you're into coprophilia, the way you get shitted on in here. :lol

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[Truth4sale$]

Spurs and spurs fan need to consider this a lost transaction. He is not coming, leave the last spot open and save the midlevel exception until the buyout.

[Ron Swanson]

Dude is more indecisive than my ex-wife.

[RickGrimes]

That's what we get after beating them in 1999 Finals. Knicks are up for revenge on messing us with Morris. 😂🤣

[Budkin]

From who?

Nobody... that's not true. Everything says considering...

[r0drig0lac]

already heard it was a done deal. lets move on.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/665f7e807b01ebfb0854ae10f8a790f4/tenor.gif?itemid=3545908

[Keepin' it real]

When the heck is this guy gonna decide!?!

When Paul George demands a trade to play with him.

[Ron Swanson]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/665f7e807b01ebfb0854ae10f8a790f4/tenor.gif?itemid=3545908

:lmao

[baseline bum]

Then what's the point of going HAM on Morris? They're loaded at PF, doubt anybody is going to trade a first rounder for Morris at the deadline...

They're retards.

[Birn]

I hope Morris ultimately decides to sign with the Spurs. Then the Spurs trade his sorry ass 60 days later to a sorry ass team like the Kings. Show him and Klutch not to mess with the Spurs FO.

I'm surprised the Spurs are still entertaining this clown. I would've immediately rescinded his offer and told him to get lost. That way he has no leverage with the Knicks or any other team and has to settle for far less than he had on the table with the Spurs.

[tbdog]

They were both quite important.

Not sure what you're on about now, but you're certainly riled up.

Different type of intensity. He was guarding their best guard and running the point. He looked a little injured and times. Got in foul trouble and played poorly in game 7. All those things considering, his mpg is about right.

[Leetonidas]

He's going to sign with the Knicks. I was browsing some Knicks forums and supposedly their guys on the radio are saying they're waiting for Bullocks deal to be finalized before announcing Morris. What sucks is the spurs are sitting around like cucks and actually waiting on it. Kinda wish they could just move on

[timtonymanu]

I always seem to ruffle your vag lips, jj. Gimme a smooch, Pop says it's ok. :lol

:lmao

[Mr. Body]

He's going to sign with the Knicks. I was browsing some Knicks forums and supposedly their guys on the radio are saying they're waiting for Bullocks deal to be finalized before announcing Morris. What sucks is the spurs are sitting around like cucks and actually waiting on it. Kinda wish they could just move on

Spurs probably have moved on. They're not going to call us personally to say what players they're now looking at.

[Pavlov]

Different type of intensity. He was guarding their best guard and running the point. He looked a little injured and times. Got in foul trouble and played poorly in game 7. All those things considering, his mpg is about right.Forbes was overplayed out of necessity. Fortunately he responded really well to it.

Unfortunate the White shit the bed when he did. He'll be fine.

[Marcus Bryant]

He's going to sign with the Knicks. I was browsing some Knicks forums and supposedly their guys on the radio are saying they're waiting for Bullocks deal to be finalized before announcing Morris. What sucks is the spurs are sitting around like cucks and actually waiting on it. Kinda wish they could just move on

Sounds like the status quo.

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs probably have moved on. They're not going to call us personally to say what players they're now looking at.
well, it was reported that the Spurs were "reaching out to other forwards just in case" so kinda sounds like they're waiting on it tbh

[tbdog]

I hope Morris ultimately decides to sign with the Spurs. Then the Spurs trade his sorry ass 60 days later to a sorry ass team like the Kings. Show him and Klutch not to mess with the Spurs FO.

I'm surprised the Spurs are still entertaining this clown. I would've immediately rescinded his offer and told him to get lost. That way he has no leverage with the Knicks or any other team and has to settle for far less than he had on the table with the Spurs.

We have too. He is good. Can play exactly what we need. He wants to show his worth for a bigger contract. It's win win. It's business. He wants money. His agent is about him getting more money. You'll find that most interactions with Spurs and Morris is directly through Klutch.

[FkLA]

He's going to sign with the Knicks. I was browsing some Knicks forums and supposedly their guys on the radio are saying they're waiting for Bullocks deal to be finalized before announcing Morris. What sucks is the spurs are sitting around like cucks and actually waiting on it. Kinda wish they could just move on

If their radio guys know then PATFO knows. The more likely scenario is that those radio guys are talking out of their ass though. I'm not saying he doesn't end up in NY, but I don't think it's a done deal yet. If it was someone credible would've reported it already.

[Mr. Body]

well, it was reported that the Spurs were "reaching out to other forwards just in case" so kinda sounds like they're waiting on it tbh

True. The Spurs have known longer than we have, when Morris failed to show up for a physical. Probably waiting for it to be official, but then they may just not like anybody on the market.

[Degoat]

If Morris chooses the knicks he really is a dumbass look at all the loyalty contracts the spurs have given out to undeserving players. If Morris played his cards right he could get payed bank

[timtonymanu]

Mugen knows his shit, tbh. Unlike T Park who quit on the Spurs in the year they won a championship and called Jeff Errors a bigger, better Malik Rose. But because he's not a Pop sucker like jjktkk, suddenly his takes are shit? Okay...

[Mugen]

Mugen knows his shit, tbh. Unlike T Park who quit on the Spurs in the year they won a championship and called Jeff Errors a bigger, better Malik Rose. But because he's not a Pop sucker like jjktkk, suddenly his takes are shit? Okay...

Same story, every year my man. We give credit when credit is due (I gave props for Lonnie, this year's draft and the Morris signing attempt) but because we don't blindly cheer every FO move, we're trolls :lol

We call some Pop fucks up before they happen because it's so predictable and the Suckers come rushing in with the "Hindsight is 20/20!"...

Maybe it's cuz we don't live in SA and don't have to fall in line like the Jeff McDondalds of the world, I dunno :lol

[spurraider21]

He's going to sign with the Knicks. I was browsing some Knicks forums and supposedly their guys on the radio are saying they're waiting for Bullocks deal to be finalized before announcing Morris. What sucks is the spurs are sitting around like cucks and actually waiting on it. Kinda wish they could just move on
Why? Are the amazing remaining free agents like trey lyles flying off the board?

[RD2191]

Tf is taking so long? Shit or get off the pot, faggot.

[look_at_g_shred]

Waive Metu. Sign Moore.

[Ron Swanson]

Those of you holding out for a glimmer of hope for Oubre are going to be pissed. He just agreed to re-sign with Phoenix for 2/30.

[BatManu20]

He gone boys. Time to move on from this two-faced retard tbh.

[spurraider21]

Yeah. Imo they’re just gonna make it official when they rework bullock

[diceman]

https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1149184001816453126
He gone boys. Time to move on from this two-faced retard tbh.

[slick'81]

Those of you holding out for a glimmer of hope for Oubre are going to be pissed. He just agreed to re-sign with Phoenix for 2/30.


We never had a shot at him and unfortunately the dream of morris is slowly fading

[NASpurs]

Those of you holding out for a glimmer of hope for Oubre are going to be pissed. He just agreed to re-sign with Phoenix for 2/30.

Most of us on the realistic side of the spectrum have accepted Trey Lyles as a Spur and will mock PATFO mercilessly once it becomes official.

[slick'81]

Most of us on the realistic side of the spectrum have accepted Trey Lyles as a Spur and will mock PATFO mercilessly once it becomes official.


:pctoss

[Pavlov]

Most of us on the realistic side of the spectrum have accepted Trey Lyles as a Spur and will mock PATFO mercilessly once it becomes official.You were going to try to mock them no matter what they did.

[Mr. Body]

Oubre was never an option for the Spurs. He's perfect for the go-nowhere Suns. He's a chowderhead who will just run around and chuck.

[Mugen]

He gone boys. Time to move on from this two-faced retard tbh.


Yeah. Imo they’re just gonna make it official when they rework bullock

You guys wouldn't be so judgmental if you had to split your lifetime earnings with your twin brother tbh.

[NASpurs]

You were going to try to mock them no matter what they did.

Look at this guy; trying to play stinky finger with me now. How cute.

[Pavlov]

Look at this guy; trying to play stinky finger with me now. How cute.It's not like you were going to say good things about them.

Was it?

[Duncan87]

The Knicks have reportedly offered a one-year, $14.8 million deal to Morris.
“[Spurs coach] Gregg Popovich has to be blowing a gasket,’’ one NBA source said.

[Duncan87]

Read this from Knicks article Marc Berman. Man this is serious yeah think he gone

[NASpurs]

It's not like you were going to say good things about them.

Was it?

Slow day in the Political forum, eh Chump?

[slick'81]

The Knicks have reportedly offered a one-year, $14.8 million deal to Morris.
“[Spurs coach] Gregg Popovich has to be blowing a gasket,’’ one NBA source said.


:pop:-​bonner get over here!!

[Pavlov]

Slow day in the Political forum, eh Chump?:lol you dodge simple questions just like they do in there.

[NASpurs]

:lol you dodge simple questions just like they do in there.

It's simple.

I say "yes".

You: snarky remark

I say "no".

You: snarky remark.

Rinse repeat until we have this thread with another 50 pages. I refuse to answer your dumbass questions. :lol

[Pavlov]

It's simple.

I say "yes".

You: snarky remark

I say "no".

You: snarky remark.

Rinse repeat until we have this thread with another 50 pages. I refuse to answer your dumbass questions. :lol:lmao scared of snark

What a little bitch.

Are you familiar with SpursTalk?

[NASpurs]

:lmao scared of snark

Sure, I'm scared of snark just as you're scared of the sun. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Sure, I'm scared of snark just as you're scared of the sun. :lmao:cryI refuse to answer but I'll try to be snarky myself!:cry

:lmao

[NASpurs]

:cryI refuse to answer but I'll try to be snarky myself!:cry

:lmao

Editing your post after the fact and calling me a bitch, dumbass serial killer. Aren't there bodies in your basement you need to lime?

[Pavlov]

Editing your post after the fact and calling me a bitch, dumbass serial killer. Aren't there bodies in your basement you need to lime?Oh, is it better if I call you a little bitch in the initial post?

Fine, you're a little bitch.

Unedited.

:lol

[NASpurs]

Oh, is it better if I call you a little bitch in the initial post?

Fine, you're a little bitch.

Unedited.

:lol

The forum's resident psycho is calling me a bitch? Don't know if I should be honored or sleep with one eye open.

[Pavlov]

The forum's resident psycho is calling me a bitch? Don't know if I should be honored or sleep with one eye open.If you're repeating derp talking points, you've got a lot more in life to be afraid of than message board snark.

:lol little bitch

[NASpurs]

If you're repeating derp talking points, you've got a lot more in life to be afraid of than message board snark.

:lol little bitch

:lol thinking he's the only one who's ever thought you were fucking weird.

[Pavlov]

:lol thinking he's the only one who's ever thought you were fucking weird.Is this your playing stinky finger with me?

:lol little bitch

[NASpurs]

Is this your playing stinky finger with me?

:lol little bitch

Can't resist right faggot? Whatever gets you off. I'm guessing the gore porn doesn't get you off anymore.

:lol psycho fag

[Pavlov]

Can't resist right faggot? I don't know, can you?

:lol little bitch

[Slippy]

Read this from Knicks article Marc Berman. Man this is serious yeah think he gone

Pretty sure that article also says other agents ain't happy about what's happening

[NASpurs]

I don't know, can you?

:lol little bitch

:lol you're right, I've given you enough attention in your sad, pitiful life. All you do on this board is try and get others to play stinky finger with you.

:lol pscyho fag

[slick'81]

B
:lol you're right, I've given you enough attention in your sad, pitiful life. All you do on this board is try and get others to play stinky finger with you.

:lol pscyho fag


This is the very thing you were trying to avoid nas :hat

[Pavlov]

This is the very thing you were trying to avoid nas
https://media.giphy.com/media/KYNywoibU1PQ4/giphy.gif

[poopbox]

Does anybody actually want Morris on this team now?

[spurraider21]

Pretty sure that article also says other agents ain't happy about what's happening
i'm about 99% sure he's gone

if he was picking the spurs, there's no reason to wait. only reason that he's waiting is because knicks have to sort out bullock situation first. they'll announce them concurrently tbh

[slick'81]

i'm about 99% sure he's gone

if he was picking the spurs, there's no reason to wait. only reason that he's waiting is because knicks have to sort out bullock situation first. they'll announce them concurrently tbh

yea he knows the offers, why all of this time passing for no reason? He sure as hell didnt show up to sa

[Pavlov]

Does anybody actually want Morris on this team now?Sure, it's better to have Morris after dealing Bertans.

[NASpurs]

B


This is the very thing you were trying to avoid nas :hat

:lol I know that bro. It's pretty obvious after my second reply to psycho fag that I wasn't trying to avoid it through my actions.

[spurraider21]

Does anybody actually want Morris on this team now?
absolutely. with morris we have a punchers chance, imo

[poopbox]

absolutely. with morris we have a punchers chance, imo

I did at first to...but then Morris revealed himself to be somebody dumb enough to say "you know what...I just might rather go play in a place with a higher standard of living...higher taxes...while playing on a team that already has at least 3 guys who play my position...and the way I am going to go about doing this...is to not show up for my psychical"

I don't think you can win with a guy that dumb or that cowardly...I have no confidence that Morris is going to be a team player and do what it takes to win at a high level because he seems to be in the process of going to play for a much shittier team with a logjam at his position...

[slick'81]

atleast dejounte is saying the right things for now

[monty4329]

Does anybody actually want Morris on this team now?

Many, apparently. Inexplicably.

[Pavlov]

I did at first to...but then Morris revealed himself to be somebody dumb enough to say "you know what...I just might rather go play in a place with a higher standard of living...higher taxes...while playing on a team that already has at least 3 guys who play my position...and the way I am going to go about doing this...is to not show up for my psychical"

I don't think you can win with a guy that dumb or that cowardly...I have no confidence that Morris is going to be a team player and do what it takes to win at a high level because he seems to be in the process of going to play for a much shittier team with a logjam at his position...I think he just got talked into taking the highest one year deal he can so he can try to get a better deal next summer.

[Pavlov]

I did at first to...but then Morris revealed himself to be somebody dumb enough to say "you know what...I just might rather go play in a place with a higher standard of living...higher taxes...while playing on a team that already has at least 3 guys who play my position...and the way I am going to go about doing this...is to not show up for my psychical"

I don't think you can win with a guy that dumb or that cowardly...I have no confidence that Morris is going to be a team player and do what it takes to win at a high level because he seems to be in the process of going to play for a much shittier team with a logjam at his position...I think he just got talked into taking the highest one year deal he can so he can try to get a better deal next summer.

[spurraider21]

I did at first to...but then Morris revealed himself to be somebody dumb enough to say "you know what...I just might rather go play in a place with a higher standard of living...higher taxes...while playing on a team that already has at least 3 guys who play my position...and the way I am going to go about doing this...is to not show up for my psychical"

I don't think you can win with a guy that dumb or that cowardly...I have no confidence that Morris is going to be a team player and do what it takes to win at a high level because he seems to be in the process of going to play for a much shittier team with a logjam at his position...
if he comes on board, he's basically on a one year deal (player option he is almost certain to reject and will enter free agency). regardless of his attitude, dude is going to ball out and play for a big contract. and he's shown he can be a key cog in a playoff team (boston). besides, as it stands, we made ourselves weaker for no reason by dealing away bertans, giving carroll a third year. not landing morris after that is a disaster tbh. but in the off chance he changes his mind again and joins us, i'd much rather have morris on a 1 year deal than bertans on that one year deal. having neither though? yeesh.

[John B]

He’s not over himself, so that’s it.

[slick'81]

Is carroll's third year guaranteed? Hate to lose that xtraspace in '21 especially with marcus fckn around

https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Knicks-rumors-New-York-might-target-target-Celtics_-Marcus-Morris-in-free-agency.jpg

[kobyz]

He stinks and even alienated the Warriors.

He gonna be a huge x factor for the Lakers this year, even last year just coming from achilles and playing also with a torn quad he was good enough to win a finals game for the Warriors as an x factor...

[Rummpd]

What a sublime situation. Where do the Spurs go from here?

[kobyz]

Hindsight is always 20/20. Morris is a better pickup than Cousins. The Spurs didn't know Morris would pull this kind of stunt.
Spurs getting fuck around a lot lately, does someone need to take responsibility?

[RC_Drunkford]

if he comes on board, he's basically on a one year deal (player option he is almost certain to reject and will enter free agency). regardless of his attitude, dude is going to ball out and play for a big contract. and he's shown he can be a key cog in a playoff team (boston). besides, as it stands, we made ourselves weaker for no reason by dealing away bertans, giving carroll a third year. not landing morris after that is a disaster tbh. but in the off chance he changes his mind again and joins us, i'd much rather have morris on a 1 year deal than bertans on that one year deal. having neither though? yeesh.

this right here. Morris would be a key player especially against both LA Teams. If we lose Bertans for Carroll without getting Morris that's a tough one. You could make the argument that the team only improves in getting Murray back and Walker developing

[Marcus Bryant]

Such a shame about Reggie Bullock. Only six months to live after contracting the deadly plantar fasciitis.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe it sounds worse if italicized?

Plantar Fasciitis

[Marcus Bryant]

At this point Marcus Morris deserves to come to SA. He can live in a hotel by the airport like Mo Cheeks did when he was a Spur. Cheeks supposedly hated not living on the East Coast. Today it’s OKC for him, go figure.

[Legacy]

Spurs getting fuck around a lot lately, does someone need to take responsibility?

Don't worry, each one of you will come up with somebody to point the finger at and blame besides the player himself (even though a contract wasn't even officially signed).

[Marcus Bryant]

The longer this drags out the better for the Spurs. The “mensches” of the Knick front office have to talk Bullock and his agent into accepting at least $10MM less unless they want to give him more years.

[Marcus Bryant]

Some rumblings among agents about Morris’ reneging on his deal setting a bad precedent and screwing up free agency moving forward. Knicks could just say F it and sign Morris but they’d lose Bullock who they do still seem to want to sign. Also some type of litigation risk for them over the plantar fasciitis issue.

[Marcus Bryant]

Reggie Bullock thought he was getting $21MM this offseason, don’t see any player just accepting a large drop in that, especially when the real reason is obvious.

[Marcus Bryant]

Knicks are trying to renege on a guaranteed money offer with a player using a lame excuse to sign another player who has an agreement in place with another team. This should piss off and concern a lot of people in the NBA.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I did at first to...but then Morris revealed himself to be somebody dumb enough to say "you know what...I just might rather go play in a place with a higher standard of living...higher taxes...while playing on a team that already has at least 3 guys who play my position...and the way I am going to go about doing this...is to not show up for my psychical"



Is that like a mental health examination? If so, he has already failed.

[SAGirl]

Forbes is valued so much more than anyone around here realizes.

You think they'd trade Bertans if they had any doubts?
Definitely think Davis was on his way out anyways. It just sucks he was wasted as an asset if this doesn’t pan out. Definitely could have used him in other trades and play him meantime as well, if the trade happened mid season. I don’t think he was going to be reupped after his deal was over. He wasn’t even all that satisfied with his role and minutes per his own words.

[SAGirl]

if he comes on board, he's basically on a one year deal (player option he is almost certain to reject and will enter free agency). regardless of his attitude, dude is going to ball out and play for a big contract. and he's shown he can be a key cog in a playoff team (boston). besides, as it stands, we made ourselves weaker for no reason by dealing away bertans, giving carroll a third year. not landing morris after that is a disaster tbh. but in the off chance he changes his mind again and joins us, i'd much rather have morris on a 1 year deal than bertans on that one year deal. having neither though? yeesh.
Reasonable and basically how I feel. This is a business decision and there’s no way there for getting hurt bc he had second thoughts about wanting more money. It doesn’t mean I have to like him, the person.

[SAGirl]

Still I can’t believe this has gone on for this long.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The stupidity of this is off the charts. For the Knicks he is so redundant. Obviously, he plays behind Randle, maybe Portis and they probably don't even make the playoffs this year. Why go through all this? For Morris, with the Spurs you will either be the starter or a very prominent backup on a playoff team. If you are playing for a big payday next year you will likely be able to make up that 5 mill easy. Plus doing this will make teams hesitate to commit early.

[cjw]

if you get under the cap, you lose access to the MLE

Yes, but you get the smaller room exception. They could go operate under the cap but it’s very hard at this point with Carroll and Gay on the books.

And I don’t think Mills gets you enough of the way there to be able to open space for Morris at the $15mm level. Would need to move Demar or Aldridge to do that.

Also, there is no cap space remaining to be able to shed those salaries with no money coming back, especially larger ones (Mills might fit into a trade exception).

Most likely way to get Morris at more money is a sign and trade with Boston, and still have MLE for Bullock...

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm sure Knicks promised him a starting role next to randle. Especially with the money being thrown at him.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm sure spurs already have a plan in place once he gives the word what he's going to do. This shouldn't drag on past today.

[Blackhaus]

This whole shit show is the gift that keeps on giving. Fucking knicks, just stab us in the back already, quit sticking the tip of the knife in and pulling that shit out.

[weebo]

Just move on...the guy isn’t some game changer that deserves 50 pages of ST whinnying

[exstatic]

I'm sure spurs already have a plan in place once he gives the word what he's going to do. This shouldn't drag on past today.

I think that the buzz of a Beli trade may mean that they have something lined up if this falls through.

For those of you who want the Spurs to pull their offer, the national media would immediately crucify them for doing so, and make THEM the bad guys. It's OK for players and agents to reneg, but not teams.

[DesignatedT]

Just move on...the guy isn’t some game changer that deserves 50 pages of ST whinnying

Ehh Spurs are probably a 4-6 seed with Morris. They are a 7-9 without him. Nobody else out there makes a difference so this is a pretty big deal for the Spurs. They probably could have made a harder push for someone like JaMychal Green or something if Morris just said he wasn't interested from the get go. He's 100% a difference maker for this Spurs team as its currently constructed though.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

The way Kerr took minutes from Sjax and Manu in 03? The way Steve Smith took those minutes from Sjax and Manu in 03?

If Lonnie is good enough, he'll play. Thats the bottom line, and that's been Pop's standard with young players since forever. You guys act like Pop is wrong for not playing scrubs more. Hill played. Kawhi played. Parker plaeyd. Manu played. SJax played. DEJUAN FUCKING BLAIR PLAYED.


Same fucking argument 24/7 on this site. Shits tired.

So much truth in this post!

[Marcus Bryant]

Likely the reason for the time has been for Bullock's agent to obtain their own medical opinion as to the extent of Bullock's condition, likelihood of surgery, and overall fitness to play, and then to continue to negotiate. There's a lot of money on the line for Bullock, so one would be surprised if he just rolled over and took a minimum contract just because of the opinion of the physician the Knicks had perform the physical.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ehh Spurs are probably a 4-6 seed with Morris. They are a 7-9 without him. Nobody else out there makes a difference so this is a pretty big deal for the Spurs. They probably could have made a harder push for someone like JaMychal Green or something if Morris just said he wasn't interested from the get go. He's 100% a difference maker for this Spurs team as its currently constructed though.

facts

[exstatic]

Likely the reason for the time has been for Bullock's agent to obtain their own medical opinion as to the extent of Bullock's condition, likelihood of surgery, and overall fitness to play, and then to continue to negotiate. There's a lot of money on the line for Bullock, so one would be surprised if he just rolled over and took a minimum contract just because of the opinion of the physician the Knicks had perform the physical.

Bullock has no "condition". That's all just a pretext to re-negotiate the Knicks offer to him. He was held out of games because the Lakers were tanking. That's it.

[cjw]

The only silver lining in this Morris/Knicks/Klutch debacle is that after being fractured for years, this message board can finally find a common thing to agree on.

[GusT15]

The only silver lining in this Morris/Knicks/Klutch debacle is that after being fractured for years, this message board can finally find a common thing to agree on.

Now hold on just one minute

Morris didn't actually sign a contract so he was still a free agent when the Knicks offered him a better deal

Knicks don't have any actual obligation to not go after Morris if they feel he will improve their team

Klutch's only goal as an agency is to find the best deal available for their clients-$$$

(Now things feel more natural,board wise)

[Marcus Bryant]

Bullock has no "condition". That's all just a pretext to re-negotiate the Knicks offer to him. He was held out of games because the Lakers were tanking. That's it.

Agreed, and Bullock has every incentive to challenge it. Not to mention that there's now the perception created by the Knicks that he's damaged goods.

Teams insure player contracts, whatever additional cost there is for Bullock's due to his life threatening plantar fasciitis is not that significant. The Knicks haven't just signed Morris and told Bullock to go pound sand because that would create plenty of problems for them, starting with potential litigation. They've painted themselves into a corner here and unless they can get Bullock to agree to a 1 year deal with the room exception ($16MM reduction from the total guaranteed money in the original agreement) with a wink and a nod that he'll get more next season, they're going to have to bite the bullet and use their cap space on Bullock as they were originally.

[SpurSpike]

Have they said why he failed the physical? Is it not illegal to basically fail someones physical just because you want to sign someone else? You would think this would be a type of slander towards Bullock as they are painting him as being damaged goods.

[BatManu20]

He gone boys. Time to move on from this two-faced retard tbh.


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[MoSpur02]

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-on-knicks-mutual-pursuits-of-free-agents-marcus-morris-reggie-bullock/308961936

Knicks sound very confident

[Duncan87]

Would think Spurs already know just planning next move

[Marcus Bryant]

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-on-knicks-mutual-pursuits-of-free-agents-marcus-morris-reggie-bullock/308961936

Knicks sound very confident

Then they think Bullock will take a wink and a nod deal.

[XDT76]

Then they think Bullock will take a wink and a nod deal.

They just have to drag til no team has more caps to sign him.

[Marcus Bryant]

Knicks' front office is certainly going through a lot for a tier 2 or 3 free agent. Man, they suck so hard.

[Marcus Bryant]

https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/behind-marcus-morris-push-to-knicks-that-has-many-angry/


Some agents are furious at Morris for looking to pull out of an agreement, which could put next year’s July free agency into a precarious spot. It’s not as if Morris is looking to break an agreement so he can play for a winner. In fact, just the opposite.

San Antonio, which has one of the strongest winning cultures in the NBA, went to the length of trading away sharpshooter Davis Bertans to open up the cap space needed for Morris.

Meanwhile, the woebegone Knicks have not made the playoffs in six straight seasons and look to be on the outside looking in again in 2019-20 after failing to land superstars Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.

The Knicks have reportedly offered a one-year, $14.8 million deal to Morris.

“[Spurs coach] Gregg Popovich has to be blowing a gasket,’’ one NBA source said.

[Dverde]

Still hope that Madam Silver stops it. At the very least, there should be an investigation.

[Marcus Bryant]

Still hope that Madam Silver stops it. At the very least, there should be an investigation.

All up to Bullock. If he plays along nothing will happen.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Still hope that Madam Silver stops it. At the very least, there should be an investigation.

If that beta cuck was going to stop it, he would have. This has been out in the press a couple of days now (and known internally in the NBA prior going back to Morris not showing for his physical). Dude doesn't give a flip.

[Keepin' it real]

The only silver lining in this Morris/Knicks/Klutch debacle is that after being fractured for years, this message board can finally find a common thing to agree on.

I disagree!!!

[DMC]

I can't believe anyone here gives two shits about this scrub anyhow. He's not the difference maker.

[Realdeal1]

If you read the article it says Rich Paul has been pushing to have a client on the knicks and tried just as hard to get AD to New York as hard as LA ... ugh this is so disgusting

[Marcus Bryant]

If you read the article it says Rich Paul has been pushing to have a client on the knicks and tried just as hard to get AD to New York as hard as LA ... ugh this is so disgusting

:lol There's still a segment of the NBA that's about that and not say wins and losses.

[weebo]

Ehh Spurs are probably a 4-6 seed with Morris. They are a 7-9 without him. Nobody else out there makes a difference so this is a pretty big deal for the Spurs. They probably could have made a harder push for someone like JaMychal Green or something if Morris just said he wasn't interested from the get go. He's 100% a difference maker for this Spurs team as its currently constructed though.

Considering how long it takes vets to acclimate to the Spurs offensive/defensive schemes...I doubt he would have such a big impact as you seem to think

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe Morris eventually finds his big payday, but looking at what players got deals this summer, it's not like he didn't have a good chance unless teams just were not interested. Maybe that changes next season for him, not sure.

[Russ]

At this point, Morris will feel like he's doing the Spurs a favor if he comes and expect to be treated accordingly.

An uneasy situation at best.

Pop won't be able to coach him and he probably needs coaching more than anyone else.

The Spurs should just do what they do best -- be patient (but act quickly when opportunity knocks).

Other (better) opportunities to use their cap space will emerge as the season plays out.

Sometimes what seems like a bad break sets up the perfect scenario in the long run. Being forced to trade Bertans and extend Carrol may be the moves that allow something great to happen later -- even though no one can now predict what that move will be and what eventually happens may be the last thing on the Spurs' minds when they made those initial moves.

[Marcus Bryant]

At this point, Morris will feel like he's doing the Spurs a favor if he comes and expect to be treated accordingly.

An uneasy situation at best.

Pop won't be able to coach him and he probably needs coaching more than anyone else.

The Spurs should just do what they do best -- be patient.

Other (better) opportunities to use their cap space will emerge as the season plays out.

Sometimes what seems like a bad break sets up the perfect scenario in the long run. Being forced to trade Bertans and extend Carrol may be the moves that allow something great to happen later -- even though no one can now predict what that move will be and it may be the last thing on the Spurs' minds when they made those initial moves.

Bailing the second someone offered him a little better payday solely for next season, not to mention backing out of the agreement you had with him so he can hoop it up with the 60+ loss Knicks are pretty good indicators he wouldn't be a good fit.

[ironman2886]

Maybe Morris eventually finds his big payday, but looking at what players got deals this summer, it's not like he didn't have a good chance unless teams just were not interested. Maybe that changes next season for him, not sure.
For a player who had a pretty good year, and did well in the playoffs, teams might have questions about Morris’ character. Not even the Lakers, Mavs, or any of the Shitty East teams with cap space threw him a lucrative offer.

[stu scotts eye]

I can't believe anyone here gives two shits about this scrub anyhow. He's not the difference maker.

He's more of a difference maker than Bellini or Bertans. Picks up the defensive slack that Gay cannot do.

So yes. He is a difference maker.

We were a few seconds away from beating the 2nd best Western Conference team in a game 7 on the road. Remember how close we are to competing.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Knicks were the worst team in the East last season. :lol C'mon. Oh, it's the Rich Paul masterplan.

[Ocotillo]

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-on-knicks-mutual-pursuits-of-free-agents-marcus-morris-reggie-bullock/308961936

Knicks sound very confident

They were pretty confident they were getting Zion, Durant and Kyrie too. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't.

[Marcus Bryant]

They were pretty confident they were getting Zion, Durant and Kyrie too. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't.

Worst team in the league last season. That's quite an accomplishment. Now they're engaged in all kinds of shenanigans to land B/C grade talent in free agency. I'm fairly certain this forum could run the Knicks better.

[ironman2886]

I’m seeing headlines about how the Knicks are playoff contenders now if they sign Morris. Most of the Knicks fans and insiders seem quite proud and happy about stealing Morris from the Spurs.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I can't believe anyone here gives two shits about this scrub anyhow. He's not the difference maker.

Dumping Bertans for nothing is what pissed me off about the whole thing. Morris was a bad culture fit from the beginning, which surprised that the Spurs pursued him. That's the closest I've seen the FO come to gambling on a free agent based solely on talent. That probably won't ever happen again as a result of this fiasco.

[Seventyniner]

I’m seeing headlines about how the Knicks are playoff contenders now if they sign Morris. Most of the Knicks fans and insiders seem quite proud and happy about stealing Morris from the Spurs.

They ain't winning shit on the court this season, gotta celebrate those moral Ws.

[John B]

Dumping Bertans for nothing is what pissed me off about the whole thing. Morris was a bad culture fit from the beginning, which surprised that the Spurs pursued him. That's the closest I've seen the FO come to gambling on a free agent based solely on talent. That probably won't ever happen again as a result of this fiasco.
Yup Spurs don’t normally make this kind of move, and always on the cautious side. They probably really value him enough to make a big difference.

[SpursDynasty85]

I can't believe anyone here gives two shits about this scrub anyhow. He's not the difference maker.

We lost Bertans for nothing, "valuable trade piece". And lost some cap space and money for free agency in 2 offseasons. All because they lied to the Spurs. If it was just a simple backout deal, all good.

[ceperez]

We lost Bertans for nothing, "valuable trade piece". And lost some cap space and money for free agency in 2 offseasons. All because they lied to the Spurs. If it was just a simple backout deal, all good.

The Bertans loss is the one that hurts. How do you lose a league leading 3 point shooter for nothing?

[Marcus Bryant]

Agents and teams should be pissed about this situation - making it acceptable for a player to back out after reaching an agreement with a team is good for nobody.

[exstatic]

Maybe Morris eventually finds his big payday, but looking at what players got deals this summer, it's not like he didn't have a good chance unless teams just were not interested. Maybe that changes next season for him, not sure.

You think teams will want to offer him next summer after this shit? For Klutch to keep on shopping for him?

[Marcus Bryant]

Teams can't plan their moves if a player later backs out, as has been shown in this situation. The NBA needs to find a way to make a verbal agreement more binding because of course some agents and teams are willing to break implicit trust for a few dollars or free agent signings more.

[exstatic]

Teams can't plan their moves if a player later backs out, as has been shown in this situation. The NBA needs to find a way to make a verbal agreement more binding because of course some agents and teams are willing to break implicit trust for a few dollars or free agent signings more.

An offer sheet, which both parties have to agree to nullify.

[Marcus Bryant]

You think teams will want to offer him next summer after this shit? For Klutch to keep on shopping for him?

One would think, but there's always someone. Maybe I'm wrong and GMs throughout the league will start to treat that agency more skeptically. Players backing out of agreements is bush league and has limited effectiveness. Unfortunately this is one of those times it is effective, albeit for marginally better money.

But, yes, in the grand scheme of things, would a team want to make an eight figure, long term offer to Morris next season and tie up its cap with the potential for being held up by a clownshow?

[cjw]

The Spurs didn’t get “nothing” for Bertans. They got to retain the full MLE. Except for the fact that there are no players left worthy of the MLE, and the roster is too full to split it two ways.

Spurs and Hornets are only two teams left with at least the non-taxpayer MLE (besides Knicks but that goes away once Morris deal gets done).

Hopefully the MLE can be used to give extra $$$ to secure a buyout guy, or for Nikola at the end of his season. But right now, looks like he may be on the move to Moscow from Olympiacos. His NBA buyout expires soon.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs didn’t get “nothing” for Bertans. They got to retain the full MLE.

:tu



Except for the fact that there are no players left worthy of the MLE, and the roster is too full to split it two ways.

Spurs and Hornets are only two teams left with at least the non-taxpayer MLE (besides Knicks but that goes away once Morris deal gets done).

Hopefully the MLE can be used to give extra $$$ to secure a buyout guy, or for Nikola at the end of his season. But right now, looks like he may be on the move to Moscow from Olympiacos. His NBA buyout expires soon.

Might as well bring him over and see what he can do, need frontcourt depth anyways.

[rasuo214]

Hopefully teams in the future will be reluctant in going after guys represented by Klutch. It won't hurt the big names but maybe the mid/lower tier guys.

[8FOR!3]

At times he was good on defense bc of his length and he moves his feet, but Bertans moves like a deer on ice skates and proved to be unplayable in the playoffs. If we were lacking enough regular season talent to win games then he would be a significant loss but he really isn't.

[Marcus Bryant]

Good riddance for Morris. If he can't be trusted to live up to the agreement he made and would rather play for a dysfunctional franchise with the worst team in the league, GTFO to be honest.

[Marcus Bryant]

Hopefully teams in the future will be reluctant in going after guys represented by Klutch. It won't hurt the big names but maybe the mid/lower tier guys.

Seems inevitable. Agents/agencies which lose respect among GMs for how they conduct business pay a price. naturally star level talent won't be hurt as much, but if I'm shopping for backups do I want the headache of dealing with some clownshow that can't be trusted? All for someone who will be borderline between the rotation and a permanent seat on the bench?

[Dex]

I'm not sure if it's a good or bad sign that this is dragging out so long.

On one side, it may signify that the Knicks are having trouble coming to an agreement with Bullock and/or the Spurs are pushing hard to get Morris to reconsider.

On the flip, the pool of FAs gets smaller with each passing day should the Spurs still decide to go shopping with the MLE this summer. I don't really want Lyles, but guys like him aren't just going to wait around and skip on deals while Morris and the Knicks play paddy-cake.

[mo7888]

I'm not sure if it's a good or bad sign that this is dragging out so long.

On one side, it may signify that the Knicks are having trouble coming to an agreement with Bullock and/or the Spurs are pushing hard to get Morris to reconsider.

On the flip, the pool of FAs gets smaller with each passing day should the Spurs still decide to go shopping with the MLE this summer. I don't really want Lyles, but guys like him aren't just going to wait around and skip on deals while the Morris and the Knicks play paddy-cake.

I don't think there are any FA's left that make a difference. We will need to make a trade

[pad300]

I see a bunch of people saying we should go for Covington in this thread. For my 2 cents, I am not sure the PATFO is interested. They have been pretty disciplined about keeping to a cap space in 2021 plan - post current aldridge, post Derozan (assuming he takes up his option)... Covington is under contract until 2022. I'm not sure he's seen as a difference maker enough for the PATFO to break from their 2021 plan.

[Dverde]

We lost Bertans for nothing, "valuable trade piece". And lost some cap space and money for free agency in 2 offseasons. All because they lied to the Spurs. If it was just a simple backout deal, all good.

Worked out well for Demarre Carroll.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm not sure if it's a good or bad sign that this is dragging out so long.

On one side, it may signify that the Knicks are having trouble coming to an agreement with Bullock and/or the Spurs are pushing hard to get Morris to reconsider.

Probably the former. At best the Knicks are now offering him half the guaranteed money for the same number of years as he thought he had agreed to with them originally. This is, after all, a tale of both Morris and the Knicks reneging on agreements they made with other parties. If Bullock balks at helping the Knicks and Morris out, that pretty much ends this. The Knicks backing out of an agreement with a player over a medical issue which costs that player $10+MM is destined for court.

For the Spurs, while I'm sure at this point RC and Pop want to tell Morris, Paul, and the Knicks to GFY, as you point out the remaining talent out there isn't the best, and, hey, it's a business, so I'm sure they've made the effort until it's clear it's pointless.

[rasuo214]

If I were PATFO I'd pull the offer at this point. He isn't going to be that big of a difference maker and do they really want this kind of guy on the team? Plus it would remove any leverage Morris/Paul have with the Knicks.

[Marcus Bryant]

If I were PATFO I'd pull the offer at this point. He isn't going to be that big of a difference maker and do they really want this kind of guy on the team? Plus it would remove any leverage Morris/Paul have with the Knicks.

Then the Spurs become the 'bad guys'. Even if they lose out on Morris, you don't want to damage your rep in the process. The Spurs made an offer and they need to stand behind it until Morris signs with whoever.

[Leetonidas]

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[spurraider21]

I'm not sure if it's a good or bad sign that this is dragging out so long.

On one side, it may signify that the Knicks are having trouble coming to an agreement with Bullock and/or the Spurs are pushing hard to get Morris to reconsider.

On the flip, the pool of FAs gets smaller with each passing day should the Spurs still decide to go shopping with the MLE this summer. I don't really want Lyles, but guys like him aren't just going to wait around and skip on deals while Morris and the Knicks play paddy-cake.
i think its bad. if he decided he's gonna honor the spurs deal, there is no incentive in dragging this out. if theres a holdup as far as how much bullock wants, its a legit question as far as who they'd prioritize. they're offering morris more money than they originally offered bullock, which makes me think they'd lean morris, though bullock is better for them in a need/fit way and they at least get 2 years out of him

[timvp]

If I'm the Spurs, I just keep waiting. Keep that offer on the table. If you pull the offer, that allows Morris and Klutch to say they were forced to move on after the Spurs got impatient. It also forces the Knicks to make a public decision about Bullock.

The Spurs aren't missing out on anything of note by waiting. If Morris and Klutch are going to go back on their word, don't give them any outs.

[spurraider21]

If I were PATFO I'd pull the offer at this point. He isn't going to be that big of a difference maker and do they really want this kind of guy on the team? Plus it would remove any leverage Morris/Paul have with the Knicks.
no point in pulling the offer. its not like there are other MLE worthy players out there that we're risking losing out on. even if morris drags this out another week, if he ends up signing on with the spurs, all is well. even if thats only a 5-10% chance right now, what's the harm?

[monty4329]

Then the Spurs become the 'bad guys'. Even if they lose out on Morris, you don't want to damage your rep in the process. The Spurs made an offer and they need to stand behind it until Morris signs with whoever.

Not really. The offer was made, Morris didn't show for his physical, Spurs waited a couple days then signed somebody else: what ''bad guys''? And even if the press twists it that way, who cares. Everybody in the business knows what is going on.

[Ocotillo]

Worst team in the league last season. That's quite an accomplishment. Now they're engaged in all kinds of shenanigans to land B/C grade talent in free agency. I'm fairly certain this forum could run the Knicks better.
Let's not get carried away now.

[Marcus Bryant]

Not really. The offer was made, Morris didn't show for his physical, Spurs waited a couple days then signed somebody else: what ''bad guys''? And even if the press twists it that way, who cares. Everybody in the business knows what is going on.

Perception is everything. The Spurs made the offer and stand behind it. Just like they take care of loyal players. It's up to Morris and his reps to break their word.

[Marcus Bryant]

Let's not get carried away now.

Oh, I factored in ducks handling PR.

[rjv]

if morris winds up with the knicks, the media will call it a big signing and a solid addition to the knicks. if he stays with the spurs, the media will say it's a ho-hum deal and that he doesn't do much for the spurs roster.

[lmbebo]

if morris winds up with the knicks, the media will call it a big signing and a solid addition to the knicks. if he stays with the spurs, the media will say it's a ho-hum deal and that he doesn't do much for the spurs roster.


Everything is better in NY :rolleyes

Doesn't make much sense anyways.... Portis, Randle, Barrett, some 7 footer (name escapes me). Not a lot of mins in NY ...

[Trainwreck2100]

if morris winds up with the knicks, the media will call it a big signing and a solid addition to the knicks. if he stays with the spurs, the media will say it's a ho-hum deal and that he doesn't do much for the spurs roster.

the east is bad enough that that narrative would hold

[spurraider21]

if morris winds up with the knicks, the media will call it a big signing and a solid addition to the knicks. if he stays with the spurs, the media will say it's a ho-hum deal and that he doesn't do much for the spurs roster.
lol preemptive persecution complex

[JADG79]

I hope Spurs looking elsewhere before NYK agree with MM.

[BackHome]

If I'm the Spurs, I just keep waiting. Keep that offer on the table. If you pull the offer, that allows Morris and Klutch to say they were forced to move on after the Spurs got impatient. It also forces the Knicks to make a public decision about Bullock.

The Spurs aren't missing out on anything of note by waiting. If Morris and Klutch are going to go back on their word, don't give them any outs.

+1

[Marcus Bryant]

I hope Spurs looking elsewhere before NYK agree with MM.

I'm sure they are. Bullock has to agree to be screwed out of at least $10MM so this isn't a foregone conclusion.

[RD2191]

Do we even want a dude who can't decide between the Knicks or the Spurs? Clown ass mother fucker.

[BSfromTX]

I'm sure they are. Bullock has to agree to be screwed out of at least $10MM so this isn't a foregone conclusion.

Yeah, this dude is getting treated like crap. I can’t believe Knicks are not getting trashed for this.

[Marcus Bryant]

Wildcard at this point is what Charlotte does with its MLE.

[poopbox]

I think that the buzz of a Beli trade may mean that they have something lined up if this falls through.

For those of you who want the Spurs to pull their offer, the national media would immediately crucify them for doing so, and make THEM the bad guys. It's OK for players and agents to reneg, but not teams.

And the spurs shouldn't care because the national media makes the spurs out to be the bad guy anyway...

I would have been pulled this offer if I was Pop or RC and told Morris we will make the decision for you...

For the last few days I have seen all these reports about uncle dennis asking the raptors for all this wild shit that Masai couldn't do and people are like "maybe this kawhi guy isn't as quiet as we think maybe him and his team really are difficult to deal with"...

As if they didn't do all this in San Antonio...

I have already seen talking heads blaming the spurs saying they shouldn't have made those moves if they didn't know Morris was for sure coming here...

As if he never agreed to come here...you know...like he did...

[Chucho]

Do we even want a dude who can't decide between the Knicks or the Spurs? Clown ass mother fucker.

Your schtick is always to choose opposite of the Spurs, you clown ass motherfucker. Show some empathy.

[Mugen]

Trade Dejounte as soon as you can tbh.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Knicks withdrawing a $21MM offer from a player over plantar fasciitis, the Knicks making an offer to a player who already had reached an agreement with another franchise, and Morris/Klutch reneging on an agreement made with a team which made other transactions based on it are no small things. No need to provide any semblance of cover or plausibility for these moves.

[poopbox]

You think teams will want to offer him next summer after this shit? For Klutch to keep on shopping for him?


I agree. Even if he does end up in SA the damage is done. Going forward he is a player who won't get offered much of anything until free agency money dries up because no team will want to tie up early free agency money in a guy who might pull out of a deal...

[Marcus Bryant]

Trade Dejounte as soon as you can tbh.

Spurs know very well the damage that can be done by dealing with a player's reps who can't be trusted. Difference here is, for now, the Spurs seem to have a good relationship with Murray unlike deaf mute loner.

[RD2191]

Your schtick is always to choose opposite of the Spurs, you clown ass motherfucker. Show some empathy.

Don't you have a pow wow or something to be at?

[RD2191]

When is Murray due an extension? I'd move his ass if he doesn't change representation soon, no joke.

[DMC]

He's more of a difference maker than Bellini or Bertans. Picks up the defensive slack that Gay cannot do.

So yes. He is a difference maker.

We were a few seconds away from beating the 2nd best Western Conference team in a game 7 on the road. Remember how close we are to competing.
"More of" doesn't make him a difference maker. He doesn't change the outcome.

We were a few seconds from beating the Rockets? The Nuggets lost to a team that got swept by a Durantless Warriors team. I wouldn't call them the 2nd best. If you cannot beat the Nuggets you're fucked. Morris isn't a difference maker in that equation.

[Mugen]

Spurs know very well the damage that can be done by dealing with a player's reps who can't be trusted. Difference here is, for now, the Spurs seem to have a good relationship with Murray unlike deaf mute loner.

Just a matter of time, tbh. Nephew said all the rights things as well. You can tell a lot about a guy by the company he keeps.

[JADG79]

The Knicks were not in love for MM they just want to screw Reggie and the Spurs.
With the money that NYK are offering Reggie now, he can go elsewhere.

Spurs can negotiate with him, he is the same size of DeRozan but we need a bigger guy.

[Marcus Bryant]

Just a matter of time, tbh. Nephew said all the rights things as well. You can tell a lot about a guy by the company he keeps.

Hopefully White and Walker continue to improve and they're less dependent on Murray. Then can move him if needed.

[Marcus Bryant]

And the league is back to players wanting to end up in big markets even with all of the advantages built into the CBA for smaller market teams.

[Payote75]

Unless the spurs pulled it already nobody is going to crucify them for pulling said contract. They made an offer he renegged. He didn't show up for his physical and if indeed the offer has been on the table all this time he has had multiple chances to still sign seal the deal which is more than he deserves. I don't think anyone would crucify the spurs. If they did recind though and the players association even uttered one word... I'd tear them to shreds if I was pop.

[timvp]

Murray's a restricted free agent next summer. The Spurs don't even have to worry about Klutch pulling a fast one with Murray for at least 3-4 years. I wouldn't even worry about it at this point. The whole company could go the way of No Limit Sports Management by then, tbh.




P.S.

:lol @ their website still being alive: http://www.angelfire.com/mo/nolimitparty/nolimitsports.html

[Marcus Bryant]

P.S.

:lol @ their website still being alive: http://www.angelfire.com/mo/nolimitparty/nolimitsports.html




NLSM CLIENTS

Sam Casselle (NBA)
Ron Mercer (NBA)
Derek Anderson (NBA)
Isaiah Rider (NBA)
Brian Shaw (NBA)
Ricky Williams (NFL)

:lol That reminds me, 'Mr. Loyalty' has been quite busy in retirement




DEREK LAMONT ANDERSON
Born July 18, 1974 in Louisville, Kentucky

• Kentucky High School Basketball All-Star
• 1996 - Won National Championship with The University of Kentucky
• 1997 - 13th overall pick to the NBA Draft
• 1997 - Hand picked by Michael Jordan to have own signature shoe
• 2005 - 2006 Won NBA Championship with Miami Heat
• Won Olympic Gold Medal
• Owns and operates D.A. Enterprises
• Owns and operates Loyalty Media Group
• FOUNDER/CEO Derek AndersonWorks www.DerekAndersonWorks.com
• President of Victory H2O Global Operations
• Designs and operates Loyalty Clothing Company
• Owns and operates Loyalty Home & Auto Concierge
• Owns and operates Anderson Development
• Owns and operates 2 hotels
• Prosperous 11 year NBA career

http://derekandersonfoundation.com/career.html

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Murray's a restricted free agent next summer. The Spurs don't even have to worry about Klutch pulling a fast one with Murray for at least 3-4 years. I wouldn't even worry about it at this point. The whole company could go the way of No Limit Sports Management by then, tbh.




P.S.

:lol @ their website still being alive: http://www.angelfire.com/mo/nolimitparty/nolimitsports.html

lolololololololololol
And people wonder why Whitey still rules all
Poor Ricky :(

[rjv]

lol preemptive persecution complex

early stages of frontoremporal dementia.

[spurraider21]

Do we even want a dude who can't decide between the Knicks or the Spurs? Clown ass mother fucker.
yes. because he's a good player who will be on a contract year.

[spurraider21]

"More of" doesn't make him a difference maker. He doesn't change the outcome.

We were a few seconds from beating the Rockets? The Nuggets lost to a team that got swept by a Durantless Warriors team. I wouldn't call them the 2nd best. If you cannot beat the Nuggets you're fucked. Morris isn't a difference maker in that equation.
millsap was giving us a lot of problems in that series to the point where bertans was unplayable while he was on the floor, and rudy, while being "off" most of the series, was out there out of necessity. morris could have given us a solid answer there. in a 7 game series, morris could have been the difference over the aggregate. he's not a nothing.

[ace3g]

No WojBomb or ShamWow right now will Twitter being down...

[Ocotillo]

I wonder if the Knicks had gotten a committment out of Nephew on June 30 if we would have passed the physical. :devil

Come to think of it, they said they were not going to give Durant a full max due to his injury. :D

[JADG79]

When you can play for a franchise that all the time is competing and prefer money against stability and be part of a winner culture you know the kind of player he is.

[ZeusWillJudge]

LMAO. Now they're not saying the the problem with Bullock is definitely plantar fasciitis. But there was definitely some kind of problem, and we know he's had some plantar fasciitis in the past. Really... there's a problem. Not a big problem that makes us not want to sign him. Just enough of a problem that makes re-working his contract necessary. :lol

Seems like maybe too many people were questioning that concrete plantar fasciitis diagnosis.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-knicks-view-landing-free-agents-marcus-morris-and-reggie-bullock-as-likely/308961936

As of Thursday afternoon, the Knicks believed that obtaining Marcus Morris as a free agent and re-working Reggie Bullock's deal was a likely scenario, per SNY sources.
There remains mutual interest between the Knicks and Bullock to negotiate a new deal after a medical issue hampered their original agreement, sources said.Bullock's agent, David Bauman, and the Knicks continue to work together on a new agreement for the six-year veteran.

The medical issue that caused a hiccup is unclear, but Bullock has dealt with plantar fasciitis in the past.

[Marcus Bryant]

LMAO. Now they're not saying the the problem with Bullock is definitely plantar fasciitis. But there was definitely some kind of problem, and we know he's had some plantar fasciitis in the past. Really... there's a problem. Not a big problem that makes us not want to sign him. Just enough of a problem that makes re-working his contract necessary. :lol

Seems like maybe too many people were questioning that concrete plantar fasciitis diagnosis.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-knicks-view-landing-free-agents-marcus-morris-and-reggie-bullock-as-likely/308961936

As of Thursday afternoon, the Knicks believed that obtaining Marcus Morris as a free agent and re-working Reggie Bullock's deal was a likely scenario, per SNY sources.
There remains mutual interest between the Knicks and Bullock to negotiate a new deal after a medical issue hampered their original agreement, sources said.Bullock's agent, David Bauman, and the Knicks continue to work together on a new agreement for the six-year veteran.

The medical issue that caused a hiccup is unclear, but Bullock has dealt with plantar fasciitis in the past.


Yeah, it's bullshit. What's the conversation at this point?

Knicks: "So, uh, forget the twenty mil you agreed to and take ten instead."
Bullock: "No."
Knicks: "You're about to die from plantar fasciitis, we're being generous here. Real mensches we are."
Bullock: "Here's an opinion from another doctor saying I am good."
Knicks: "So, uh, forget the twenty mil you agreed to and take ten instead."

[DMC]

millsap was giving us a lot of problems in that series to the point where bertans was unplayable while he was on the floor, and rudy, while being "off" most of the series, was out there out of necessity. morris could have given us a solid answer there. in a 7 game series, morris could have been the difference over the aggregate. he's not a nothing.

The team that beat them got swept by the Warriors who didn't have Durant for the entire series. No, no difference. 2nd round isn't the goal. We've been there.

[TheDoctor]

LMAO. Now they're not saying the the problem with Bullock is definitely plantar fasciitis. But there was definitely some kind of problem, and we know he's had some plantar fasciitis in the past. Really... there's a problem. Not a big problem that makes us not want to sign him. Just enough of a problem that makes re-working his contract necessary. :lol

Seems like maybe too many people were questioning that concrete plantar fasciitis diagnosis.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-knicks-view-landing-free-agents-marcus-morris-and-reggie-bullock-as-likely/308961936

As of Thursday afternoon, the Knicks believed that obtaining Marcus Morris as a free agent and re-working Reggie Bullock's deal was a likely scenario, per SNY sources.
There remains mutual interest between the Knicks and Bullock to negotiate a new deal after a medical issue hampered their original agreement, sources said.Bullock's agent, David Bauman, and the Knicks continue to work together on a new agreement for the six-year veteran.

The medical issue that caused a hiccup is unclear, but Bullock has dealt with plantar fasciitis in the past.


Huh?

[ironman2886]

Yeah, it's bullshit. What's the conversation at this point?

Knicks: "So, uh, forget the twenty mil you agreed to and take ten instead."
Bullock: "No."
Knicks: "You're about to die from plantar fasciitis, we're being generous here. Real mensches we are."
Bullock: "Here's an opinion from another doctor saying I am good."
Knicks: "So, uh, forget the twenty mil you agreed to and take ten instead."
:lmao

[spurraider21]

The team that beat them got swept by the Warriors who didn't have Durant for the entire series. No, no difference. 2nd round isn't the goal. We've been there.
if the choice is between first round or second round, its a pretty easy call to make. i mean, why bother making any moves if you aren't a championship contender. always strive to improve. i mean should we turn down a trade where we'd get davis for aldridge just because you dont think it makes us a championship team?

[ironman2886]

Knicks and Little Richie have to be waiting for the Spurs to use up the MLE or take the deal off the table.

[r0drig0lac]

Yeah, it's bullshit. What's the conversation at this point?

Knicks: "So, uh, forget the twenty mil you agreed to and take ten instead."
Bullock: "No."
Knicks: "You're about to die from plantar fasciitis, we're being generous here. Real mensches we are."
Bullock: "Here's an opinion from another doctor saying I am good."
Knicks: "So, uh, forget the twenty mil you agreed to and take ten instead."

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[Ocotillo]

It won't happen but the league should really step in and fine the Knicks. Not only are they screwing over another team by poaching a verbally committed free agent once they realized they were not getting what they originally wanted, they are screwing over a free agent who's opportunities are drying up because of them trying to be too cute by half.

Morris is no angel here but the Knicks look the worst of the lot.

[Mr. Body]

Didn't Bullock's people say the Knicks were being 'mensches'? Suggests something really was wrong, like NY legit could have walked away. Dunno.

[Ocotillo]

Mensch is a compliment. I know, it sounds like an insult but it is not

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yeah, it's bullshit. What's the conversation at this point?

Knicks: "So, uh, forget the twenty mil you agreed to and take ten instead."
Bullock: "No."
Knicks: "You're about to die from plantar fasciitis, we're being generous here. Real mensches we are."
Bullock: "Here's an opinion from another doctor saying I am good."
Knicks: "So, uh, forget the twenty mil you agreed to and take ten instead."

:lol


Bullock is so screwed. Other than the Spurs having the full MLE, I don't think there are a whole lot of teams left who can pay him anything more than that Room Exception the Knicks are now offering. I'm sure they played on some technicality during the physical (if they didn't just fabricate the whole thing), but if he accepts the Room Exception he has to admit he has a medical issue. If he refuses, and they don't want him at all, if he won't take the reduction, any place he tries to go play is going to be worried about his medical condition.

Right now, that Room Exception is probably the best he can hope for this season.

[dbestpro]

Mensch is a compliment. I know, it sounds like an insult but it is not

Not when it is said with sarcasm.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Didn't Bullock's people say the Knicks were being 'mensches'? Suggests something really was wrong, like NY legit could have walked away. Dunno.


That's exactly what they were saying. That the Knicks' organization is going to take care of him, and come up with something worthwhile.

If he's really that damaged, it seems to me like the full Room Exception would be good for him, and they would get the deal done in a day. The fact that they haven't says to me that he's not happy with whatever they've offered.

I honestly don't know how much of a "mensch" they can be. The Knicks can't legally pay him more than the Room Exception. There's not a hell of a lot to figure out, within the rules.

[Marcus Bryant]

If the underlying medical condition is nothing, next step is litigation.

[Marcus Bryant]

:lol


Bullock is so screwed. Other than the Spurs having the full MLE, I don't think there are a whole lot of teams left who can pay him anything more than that Room Exception the Knicks are now offering. I'm sure they played on some technicality during the physical (if they didn't just fabricate the whole thing), but if he accepts the Room Exception he has to admit he has a medical issue. If he refuses, and they don't want him at all, if he won't take the reduction, any place he tries to go play is going to be worried about his medical condition.

Right now, that Room Exception is probably the best he can hope for this season.

Still have Charlotte and SA with full MLEs.

[Marcus Bryant]

That's exactly what they were saying. That the Knicks' organization is going to take care of him, and come up with something worthwhile.

If he's really that damaged, it seems to me like the full Room Exception would be good for him, and they would get the deal done in a day. The fact that they haven't says to me that he's not happy with whatever they've offered.

I honestly don't know how much of a "mensch" they can be. The Knicks can't legally pay him more than the Room Exception. There's not a hell of a lot to figure out, within the rules.

Yes. If Bullock was on board this would've been wrapped up by now.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Still have Charlotte and SA with full MLEs.


I didn't know who else was left. His options are a lot more limited than they were when he made his deal with the Knicks.

Think about it though. If he reaches out to either of those teams, they're going to demand to know what was wrong with his physical. The whole thing is messy at best.

[John B]

Can Bullock force Knicks to honor the contract if he passed the physical? I think Bullock will not concede especially when he already knows Knicks trying to lowball him, which would make it impossible for Knicks to sign Morris

[exstatic]

That's exactly what they were saying. That the Knicks' organization is going to take care of him, and come up with something worthwhile.

If he's really that damaged, it seems to me like the full Room Exception would be good for him, and they would get the deal done in a day. The fact that they haven't says to me that he's not happy with whatever they've offered.

I honestly don't know how much of a "mensch" they can be. The Knicks can't legally pay him more than the Room Exception. There's not a hell of a lot to figure out, within the rules.

They can if they honor their original cap room offer. Pretty much everyone knows this is BS.