what happens to the republican party

[gambit1990]

say biden wins and there's a blue wave.

where does the republican party go? do they get more extreme or less? does the party break in half? what will their platform be?

do democrats, "independents", libertarians all grow in numbers?

[spurraider21]

say biden wins and there's a blue wave.

where does the republican party go? do they get more extreme or less? does the party break in half? what will their platform be?

do democrats, "independents", libertarians all grow in numbers?
trump runs 2024 for sure

[gambit1990]

republicans were able to band together during obama because he was black. and were able to band together during 2016 cause hillary was hillary.

will white america rage against joe biden just as similarly? i'm doubting it.

[Dirks_Finale]

I predict a softening on immigration. Maybe amnesty on the way as they try to pretend Trump didn't exist.

Ted Cruz has already admitted if the left stacks the court and makes P.R. and D.C. states, the right never wins another election. If Trump loses they have no leverage will bend on some issues out of necessity.

[Dirks_Finale]

trump runs 2024 for sure

I can see it now.

Trump vs Kamala

"Such a nasty woman!" :lol

Actually, the establishment (R) will not allow him in the debates, tbh.

[hater]

trump runs 2024 for sure

Agreed

Biden and Kopmala will make sure of it

[Spurminator]

I predict a softening on immigration. Maybe amnesty on the way as they try to pretend Trump didn't exist.

Ted Cruz has already admitted if the left stacks the court and makes P.R. and D.C. states, the right never wins another election. If Trump loses they have no leverage will bend on some issues out of necessity.

I don't know why Republicans think 52 states makes it impossible to win elections. All they have to do is move enough towards moderation to get Florida, Ohio, and other swing states back. Ted Cruz can only see conservatism through extremist lenses, I guess.

[Spurminator]

If Trump loses he will never run again. The only thing his guy hates more than being President is losing.

[Chris]

Trump who gave up a billionaire dream lifestyle to become President hates being President.

Totally makes sense :tu

[baseline bum]

I predict a softening on immigration. Maybe amnesty on the way as they try to pretend Trump didn't exist.

Ted Cruz has already admitted if the left stacks the court and makes P.R. and D.C. states, the right never wins another election. If Trump loses they have no leverage will bend on some issues out of necessity.

The GOP could just admit Guam as a state when they're in power again in that scenario and they get two more Republican senators.

[Spurminator]

Trump who gave up a billionaire dream lifestyle to become President hates being President.

Totally makes sense :tu

It's weird that you don't see how this makes perfect sense exactly the way you worded it.

[baseline bum]

I can see it now.

Trump vs Kamala

"Such a nasty woman!" :lol

Actually, the establishment (R) will not allow him in the debates, tbh.

Yeah they will. Otherwise he'd run third party and that's something that actually could obliterate the GOP.

[pgardn]

It's weird that you don't see how this makes perfect sense exactly the way you worded it.

No, it’s actually not.
Hes that way.

[Will Hunting]

Unless Democrats figure out a way to drive turnout in midterm elections the GOP isn’t going anywhere. If the Dems can actually get the turnout they’re getting for this election in midterms then the GOP will have to change.

I don’t think they’ll pivot on immigration though. There’s a swath of untapped white voters who are anti immigration and Trump just scratched the surface with them in 2016. The research that’s been done on Americans who don’t vote shows there’s a 15-20mm group of people who don’t vote in elections that are by and large populists who are very anti immigration.

[Trainwreck2100]

playbook's already written, they'll do the same thing they did after GWB, find some dem policy to protest and bring them together and pretend like the last president didn't happen

[Chris]

It's weird that you don't see how this makes perfect sense exactly the way you worded it.

I guess if you watched cable news daily, you could come to that conclusion.

Carry on.

[Spurminator]

I guess if you watched cable news daily, you could come to that conclusion.

Carry on.

It's weird that you think that's a good comeback or at all related to what I said.

As a side note, I haven't had cable for 5 years and haven't watched cable news even longer.

[spurraider21]

Unless Democrats figure out a way to drive turnout in midterm elections the GOP isn’t going anywhere. If the Dems can actually get the turnout they’re getting for this election in midterms then the GOP will have to change.

I don’t think they’ll pivot on immigration though. There’s a swath of untapped white voters who are anti immigration and Trump just scratched the surface with them in 2016. The research that’s been done on Americans who don’t vote shows there’s a 15-20mm group of people who don’t vote in elections that are by and large populists who are very anti immigration.
biggest pool of untapped voters is the youth vote, but im not sure theres a way to get them engaged tbh

[Will Hunting]

biggest pool of untapped voters is the youth vote, but im not sure theres a way to get them engaged tbh
Yeah I should have been clear the report I read found that biggest swath of untapped voters is progressiv youth vote but the 2nd biggest is a white anti-immigration group that largely goes unnoticed.

[spurraider21]

Yeah I should have been clear the report I read found that biggest swath of untapped voters is progressiv youth vote but the 2nd biggest is a white anti-immigration group that largely goes unnoticed.
dont know what more trump could have done to draw the anti immigrant white vote tbh :lol

[clambake]

What Republican Party?

[Will Hunting]

dont know what more trump could have done to draw the anti immigrant white vote tbh :lol
These aren’t the vocal anti immigration whites you see on TV. It’s a group that’s older, largely retired or semi-retired, and largely disengaged from politics. When you read about how even after 2016 there were still close to 2 million white people in Pennsylvania who didn’t vote, a lot of them are in this group.

The analysis that I’m referring to on people who don’t vote was pretty detailed and worth a read
https://knightfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/The-100-Million-Project_KF_Report_2020.pdf

[DarrinS]

What happens if the opposite happens?

[ChumpDumper]

What happens if the opposite happens?Then you'll be voting for Trumps the next six cycles.

Just like you want to .

[Spurminator]

What happens if the opposite happens?

Continued voter suppression increasing the power of the rich and widening the wealth gap while convictionless shills like you go "lol triggered libs." :tu

[Spurtacular]

The authoritarian left gonna get the two scoops of Trump they've been begging for. :lol

[ElNono]

Nothing happens. Dems wear out their welcome, get overconfident and continue to trot out terrible candidates like Shillary or old Joe. The GOP keeps doing it's thing with gerrymandering, voter suppression and taking advantage of the dumb/uneducated voter.

[gambit1990]

trump running in 2024 initially makes sense for him but i'm seeing it as impossible tbh.

too much legal trouble + his brain will be even mushier than it is now.

maybe ivanka / ted cruz 2024 though.

[ElNono]

trump running in 2024 initially makes sense for him but i'm seeing it as impossible tbh.

too much legal trouble + his brain will be even mushier than it is now.

maybe ivanka / ted cruz 2024 though.

Uday is going to run sooner or later

[SnakeBoy]

The party realignment marches on if Trump loses. Some new version of the TEA party will emerge and continue the unfinished business of replacing Rino's. I'm sure the never trumpers will try to return to lead the party but I don't think they can regain a place in the party at this point.

Dems will be the fun party to watch imo

[ElNono]

The party realignment marches on if Trump loses. Some new version of the TEA party will emerge and continue the unfinished business of replacing Rino's. I'm sure the never trumpers will try to return to lead the party but I don't think they can regain a place in the party at this point.

Dems will be the fun party to watch imo

That'd be terrible for the GOP, I can't think they'll do that. Basically, if there's something to take from Trump's rise in the party is that the days of social conservatism litmus tests are over, and you clearly alienate more voters pandering to that.

[Spurtacular]

trump running in 2024 initially makes sense for him but i'm seeing it as impossible tbh.

too much legal trouble + his brain will be even mushier than it is now.

maybe ivanka / ted cruz 2024 though.

Don't sprain your brain. Trump going to win 2020.

America not voting for death and destruction.

[FrostKing]

Trump rerun in 2024

Washing my hat

[DarrinS]

Maybe see what happens in this election first?

[ElNono]

Maybe see what happens in this election first?

OP isn't prognosticating anything, just exploring one possible scenario. Calm down.

[Ef-man]

Uday is going to run sooner or later

I would vote Uday before Ivanka/Cruz.

At least being dead, he would be more effective. :lmao

[Will Hunting]

The party realignment marches on if Trump loses. Some new version of the TEA party will emerge and continue the unfinished business of replacing Rino's. I'm sure the never trumpers will try to return to lead the party but I don't think they can regain a place in the party at this point.

Dems will be the fun party to watch imo
I see more of a populist message than a tea party message, just with someone a lot smarter and politically savvy than Trump. Senators like Hawley and Cotton are positioning themselves with the same populist message hat Trump has only in a much more eloquent way. Imo Cotton fucked himself with that NYTmes oped about deploying federal troops on US streets and Hawley is the more electable one.

To your point, if the Dems get full control of Congress, there’s going to be a civil war that’ll be entertaining to watch.

[RandomGuy]

say biden wins and there's a blue wave.

where does the republican party go? do they get more extreme or less? does the party break in half? what will their platform be?

do democrats, "independents", libertarians all grow in numbers?

More extreme.

They have always been authoritarian and fascistic, they will get more so, and essentially give up on democracy itself. I see a big uptick in right-wing violence over the next 10 years.

[BSfromTX]

Nothing happens. Dems wear out their welcome, get overconfident and continue to trot out terrible candidates like Shillary or old Joe. The GOP keeps doing it's thing with gerrymandering, voter suppression and taking advantage of the dumb/uneducated voter.


as will the democratic party

[Bogie]

as will the democratic party


your party is littered with fools like ducks and spurtacular and tsa and q anon loons.

i know you want to comfort yourself you’re not like them. But you are

[baseline bum]

The party realignment marches on if Trump loses. Some new version of the TEA party will emerge and continue the unfinished business of replacing Rino's. I'm sure the never trumpers will try to return to lead the party but I don't think they can regain a place in the party at this point.

Dems will be the fun party to watch imo

Democrats will do what they always do, shift the Overton Window further right every time the GOP runs past it.

[SnakeBoy]

Democrats will do what they always do, shift the Overton Window further right every time the GOP runs past it.

That's why I've said it's a win win election

[Will Hunting]

The party realignment marches on if Trump loses. Some new version of the TEA party will emerge and continue the unfinished business of replacing Rino's. I'm sure the never trumpers will try to return to lead the party but I don't think they can regain a place in the party at this point.

Dems will be the fun party to watch imo
Who you thinkin in 2024? Hawley or Cotton?

[SnakeBoy]

Who you thinkin in 2024? Hawley or Cotton?

Kristi Noem seems to be the most popular with the base atm

[Will Hunting]

Kristi Noem seems to be the most popular with the base atm
Hawley seems more electable imo. Not saying that because of his views or anything, just has the "future president" vibe when he speaks, while Noem comes off as less mainstream.

[CosmicCowboy]

Continued voter suppression increasing the power of the rich and widening the wealth gap while convictionless shills like you go "lol triggered libs." :tu

:lmao you actually think Biden will "take care of the little guy"? :lol:lol
The rich will get richer and menial crap jobs for uneducated electorate will continue to be replaced by technology.

[gambit1990]

i really hope the GOP splits in two. let kasich lead one wing and let those total nutjobs rule the other.

[SnakeBoy]

i really hope the GOP splits in two. let kasich lead one wing and let those total nutjobs rule the other.

I think the Never Trumper types are headed the Democrat party. There's no going back to the R's for them.

[Will Hunting]

I think the Never Trumper types are headed the Democrat party. There's no going back to the R's for them.
I think you're right and something is going to have to budge either way. The progressive left isn't going away any time soon, especially since ActBlue has made it so easy for prog candidates to crowdfund their campaigns, but a political party that has both AOC and Steve Schmidt under the same roof isn't built to last.

[Bogie]

:lmao you actually think Biden will "take care of the little guy"? :lol:lol
The rich will get richer and menial crap jobs for uneducated electorate will continue to be replaced by technology.

so what is your party doing to stop this? This is your chance to make real big boy argument as to why any thinking person should support republican candidates?

Other than the fear racism sexism and self loathing, of course

[Bogie]

I think you're right and something is going to have to budge either way. The progressive left isn't going away any time soon, especially since ActBlue has made it so easy for prog candidates to crowdfund their campaigns, but a political party that has both AOC and Steve Schmidt under the same roof isn't built to last.

you really think the progressive left is going to remain a political movement? Will they do what they have never done before? Consistently show up and vote to make their voices heard.

if they do become engaged, then they will absolutely have a seat at the table. Progressive ideas that actually help people are perpetually popular. Just no one shows up enough to make them approach reality.

hope it’s not another phase

[Spurminator]

:lmao you actually think Biden will "take care of the little guy"? :lol:lol

It's weird that that's what you took from my post since I didn't mention Biden or "taking care of the little guy." Like, why even put that in quotes when I didn't say it?

Objectively, Republican policies lead more quickly to bigger wealth gaps. We'll get more tax cuts, fewer regulations and the same stagnant wages for the underpaid. With Biden there's at least some hope that we don't.

[Will Hunting]

you really think the progressive left is going to remain a political movement? Will they do what they have never done before? Consistently show up and vote to make their voices heard.

if they do become engaged, then they will absolutely have a seat at the table. Progressive ideas that actually help people are perpetually popular. Just no one shows up enough to make them approach reality.

hope it’s not another phase
I think it'll remain a movement because unlike boomers, millennials are still going to be broke as fuck in 10 years. Millennials/Gen Zers aren't going to get more conservative as they get older the way other generations do simply because they have no money.

[Bogie]

I think it'll remain a movement because unlike boomers, millennials are still going to be broke as fuck in 10 years. Millennials/Gen Zers aren't going to get more conservative as they get older the way other generations do simply because they have no money.


i hope the idea of reforming the system broken by older people still appeals to them.

the tell tale sign for you will be in 2 years. It’s easy for a decent thinking person to be repelled by today’s party of trump.

but when McConnell finished cratering the economy, and then stops all attempts to help the least powerful, will they continue to show up to vote and make changes that are beneficial and lasting

[gambit1990]

in 2016 i wanted there to four candidates: bernie / hil / cruz / trump.

even today there could be four parties: left / moderate d / "moderate" r / wackos.

i don't seem the democrats wanting to split though. intriguing future for the dems.

[SnakeBoy]

Other than the fear racism sexism and self loathing, of course

lol self loathing

https://godtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/christians-leaders-wash-feet-black-protest.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

lol self loathing

https://godtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/christians-leaders-wash-feet-black-protest.jpg

What's wrong with this? Jesus washed the feet of his disciples, the Pope washed the feet of refugees and prisoners. Its a noble sign of humility in this divided world we live in.

[Bogie]

lol self loathing

https://godtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/christians-leaders-wash-feet-black-protest.jpg

actually your fear and how much you hate yourself for being afraid is more obvious than anyone’s

[ElNono]

as will the democratic party

Democrats have a lot of problems, but openly embracing the uneducated, anti-intellectual ain't one of them, tbh.

Doesn't mean everyone is bright though, I would agree with that. Have to look no further than boutons.

[ElNono]

I think the Never Trumper types are headed the Democrat party. There's no going back to the R's for them.

It could also be that they become the new mainstream R party, after the looney tunes part of the GOP self-combusts, and the progressive wing of the Dems gain a bigger foothold in the party.

[Trainwreck2100]

What's wrong with this? Jesus washed the feet of his disciples, the Pope washed the feet of refugees and prisoners. Its a noble sign of humility in this divided world we live in.

it's fucking stupid because everyone has shoes now, empty sentiment

[Will Hunting]

It could also be that they become the new mainstream R party, after the looney tunes part of the GOP self-combusts, and the progressive wing of the Dems gain a bigger foothold in the party.
I don't see it. We all saw what happened in 2012 when the Rs tried running on a bland corporatist agenda. Their next move is to continue embracing Trump's pseudo-populism only with a candidate who's well spoken and looks presidential to suburban women.

[Trainwreck2100]

Democrats have a lot of problems, but openly embracing the uneducated, anti-intellectual ain't one of them, tbh.

Doesn't mean everyone is bright though, I would agree with that. Have to look no further than boutons.

Honestly the AOC squad progressive wing are doing what the hard rights did in safe republican districts, primarying the moderates to push their agenda further, a new R party should start by going after those seats

[ElNono]

I don't see it. We all saw what happened in 2012 when the Rs tried running on a bland corporatist agenda. Their next move is to continue embracing Trump's pseudo-populism only with a candidate who's well spoken and looks presidential to suburban women.

I get this, but Trump worked because he was Trump. ie: a con man with a known face from the outside that had no political past and hijacked a desperate party promising things you'll never hear a career GOP politician promise. And at the end of the day, he might cause much more damage to the brand than a milquetoast politician.

So the question is, who can fill those shoes? It can't be a career politician. That's why I was thinking Uday, but it has to be something like that.

[baseline bum]

It could also be that they become the new mainstream R party, after the looney tunes part of the GOP self-combusts, and the progressive wing of the Dems gain a bigger foothold in the party.

There is no looney tunes part of the GOP. They're just the GOP.

[baseline bum]

in 2016 i wanted there to four candidates: bernie / hil / cruz / trump.

even today there could be four parties: left / moderate d / "moderate" r / wackos.

i don't seem the democrats wanting to split though. intriguing future for the dems.

Impossible, the way the president is selected means the constitution has virtually enshrined the two party system into our national politics. The only way to have three or more viable national parties would be to write a whole new constitution.

[Spurminator]

Impossible, the way the president is selected means the constitution has virtually enshrined the two party system into our national politics. The only way to have three or more viable national parties would be to write a whole new constitution.

I could see it if every state went to a ranked ballot system.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's weird that that's what you took from my post since I didn't mention Biden or "taking care of the little guy." Like, why even put that in quotes when I didn't say it?

Objectively, Republican policies lead more quickly to bigger wealth gaps. We'll get more tax cuts, fewer regulations and the same stagnant wages for the underpaid. With Biden there's at least some hope that we don't.

These huge wealth gaps everyone loves to moan about are mostly entrepreneurs that built companies from zero and those billions they have are based on the appreciation of their stock in their companies. Its not dollars in their pocket its in the value of the companies they created. Hell, Bezos started from nothing in his garage and built Amazon. Jobs and Woz started in their garage and built Apple. Google was a little startup going up against giant Yahoo and kicked their ass. Its something to respect, not resent.

[Will Hunting]

These huge wealth gaps everyone loves to moan about are mostly entrepreneurs that built companies from zero and those billions they have are based on the appreciation of their stock in their companies. Its not dollars in their pocket its in the value of the companies they created. Hell, Bezos started from nothing in his garage and built Amazon. Jobs and Woz started in their garage and built Apple. Google was a little startup going up against giant Yahoo and kicked their ass. Its something to respect, not resent.
:lol

You plebs should respect your corporate oligarchs when you're waiting in line at the food bank! They were just willing to work harder than you did!

[baseline bum]

I could see it if every state went to a ranked ballot system.

So impossible :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

You plebs should respect your corporate oligarchs when you're waiting in line at the food bank! They were just willing to work harder than you did!

Maybe not harder, but certainly smarter. They took big risks and succeeded. Im not going to resent them like you do.

[Will Hunting]

Maybe not harder, but certainly smarter. They took big risks and succeeded. Im not going to resent them like you do.
:lmao right, the only difference between Jeff Bezos and a crack baby born in Camden, New Jersey is that Bezos was smarter and willing to take more risk than the crack baby was.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao right, the only difference between Jeff Bezos and crack baby born in Camden, New Jersey is that Bezos was smarter and willing to take more risk than the crack baby was.

Blaming your failure on your mother. That's pathetic. :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

These huge wealth gaps everyone loves to moan about are mostly entrepreneurs that built companies from zero and those billions they have are based on the appreciation of their stock in their companies. Its not dollars in their pocket its in the value of the companies they created. Hell, Bezos started from nothing in his garage and built Amazon. Jobs and Woz started in their garage and built Apple. Google was a little startup going up against giant Yahoo and kicked their ass. Its something to respect, not resent.

yes bezos started from nothing right before he got 250k from his parents

[Will Hunting]

Blaming your failure on your mother. That's pathetic. :lol
:lol CC resulting to personal attacks when he has no arguments left

[Will Hunting]

yes bezos started from nothing right before he got 250k from his parents
:lol same thing with Musk. He moved to America with nothing but his backpack on his back and a couple million in African blood diamond money he got from his daddeh. Totally self made!

[CosmicCowboy]

There has always been an underclass and always will be.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol CC resulting to personal attacks when he has no arguments left

I was making fun of your crack baby analogy.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol same thing with Musk. He moved to America with nothing but his backpack on his back and a couple million in African blood diamond money he got from his daddeh. Totally self made!

same thing with Gates his pops was a fucking lawyer, it's funny how all these startups, seemed to start up in garages when nowadays having a garage you can work out of is a fucking luxury itself

[Will Hunting]

There has always been an underclass and always will be.
No doubt, but it doesn't really seem necessary for the underclass to live hand to mouth when Bezos is worth over $100 billion. Do you really think Bezos would have worked less hard using his rich parent's money to build Amazon if the resulting wealth was only $25 billion as oppose to $100 billion?

[Will Hunting]

I was making fun of your crack baby analogy.
Don't really get the joke. My mom is a lawyer (now a judge) and gave me every opportunity in the world. I'm by no means saying I'm personally hard done by.

[Trainwreck2100]

No doubt, but it doesn't really seem necessary for the underclass to live hand to mouth when Bezos is worth over $100 billion. Do you really think Bezos would have worked less hard using his rich parent's money to build Amazon if the resulting wealth was only $25 billion as oppose to $100 billion?

one of the dumbest arguments i hear is that the right thinks the rich will just stop working if they get taxed more, no they won't they're greedy and they'll keep working because the only think they would like more than 1 billion dollars is 1 billion and 1 dollar

[CosmicCowboy]

No doubt, but it doesn't really seem necessary for the underclass to live hand to mouth when Bezos is worth over $100 billion. Do you really think Bezos would have worked less hard using his rich parent's money to build Amazon if the resulting wealth was only $25 billion as oppose to $100 billion?

So you want to confiscate his Amazon stock?

[Spurminator]

So you want to confiscate his Amazon stock?

Nope just tax the shit out of it.

Frankly I would love it if Democrats had the balls to institute a one-time wealth tax of 90% of earnings over a certain amount since March 2020 and redistribute it as stimulus.

[SnakeBoy]

No doubt, but it doesn't really seem necessary for the underclass to live hand to mouth when Bezos is worth over $100 billion. Do you really think Bezos would have worked less hard using his rich parent's money to build Amazon if the resulting wealth was only $25 billion as oppose to $100 billion?

It's just not fair amirite?

[SnakeBoy]

Nope just tax the shit out of it.


How do you tax his stock?

[Will Hunting]

So you want to confiscate his Amazon stock?
No, I'm saying have a society where less of the surplus-value is going to the stockholder (thus his stock is inevitably worth less). Higher wages for workers, higher corporate taxes, etc. Definitely not saying confiscate stock.

I also think there needs to be better protections in place for competition. An example - there was a family-owned business called diapers.com that was widely used for diaper orders. Amazon started undercutting it on pricing by selling diapers at a rate that was unprofitable (but Amazon can afford to lose the money) until diapers.com went out of business. Then the price of diapers on Amazon went back up. I don't view the foregoing as some kind of risk-taking entrepreneurial spirit to be respected. IMO at that point you're just being a greedy pig. Temporarily selling diapers at a loss just so you can squash a small business that sells diapers like a bug ads no value to society.

[Trainwreck2100]

Nope just tax the shit out of it.

Frankly I would love it if Democrats had the balls to institute a one-time wealth tax of 90% of earnings over a certain amount since March 2020 and redistribute it as stimulus.

if bezos gave every employee on his books 100k he'd be left with the same amount of money he started the year with.

[CosmicCowboy]

Nope just tax the shit out of it.

Frankly I would love it if Democrats had the balls to institute a one-time wealth tax of 90% of earnings over a certain amount since March 2020 and redistribute it as stimulus.

You still aren't getting it. His net worth is mostly in his company stock he owns.You can't tax it if he doesn't sell it. Its not income.

[Will Hunting]

How do you tax his stock?
Is that a serious question?

A good start might be a corporate tax code that doesn't allow Amazon to pay absolutely no taxes every year. Seems like a fair place to start.

[Will Hunting]

It's just not fair amirite?
^Making a joke sarcastically mocking my argument because he has no counter-argument.

[Spurminator]

How do you tax his stock?


You still aren't getting it. His net worth is mostly in his company stock he owns.You can't tax it if he doesn't sell it. Its not income.

Sure you can. I pay taxes on my house every year without selling it.

[SnakeBoy]

Is that a serious question?

A good start might be a corporate tax code that doesn't allow Amazon to pay absolutely no taxes every year. Seems like a fair place to start.

Amazon's corporate taxes have nothing to do with the stock Bezos owns. So yeah a serious question, how do you tax someone for owning stock?

[SnakeBoy]

^Making a joke sarcastically mocking my argument because he has no counter-argument.

It's not really a joke. Your argument is it's just not fair. True I have no counter argument to the world just isn't fair.

[Spurminator]

if bezos gave every employee on his books 100k he'd be left with the same amount of money he started the year with.

As of September, US billionaires' wealth had increased by over $800 billion since the start of COVID. Tax that at 90% and you can give over $7000 to the poorest 100 million adults in the country.

[Will Hunting]

Amazon's corporate taxes have nothing to do with the stock Bezos owns. So yeah a serious question, how do you tax someone for owning stock?
So you're saying a corporate tax system that requires Amazon to pay higher corporate taxes every year wouldn't shrink the value of Amazon stock? Do you not know how stock is valued?

The "how do you tax stock" is a total strawman argument (you could actually impose a wealth tax on stock but that's not my point). Bezos stock is worth what it's worth because of how much surplus-value goes to the stockholder vs. other stakeholders. If more surplus-value was going towards workers, the government (via taxes), vendors, etc. the stock would inherently be worth less.

[Will Hunting]

It's not really a joke. Your argument is it's just not fair. True I have no counter argument to the world just isn't fair.
That's not my argument. My argument is that yeah nothing is ever going to be perfectly fair but the degree to which it's currently unfair is unnecessary and is an overall detriment to society.

[Spurminator]

The "you just don't think it's fair" argument can be applied to literally any discussion where one side is advocating for changing something. It's lazy.

[Will Hunting]

The "you just don't think it's fair" argument can be applied to literally any discussion where one side is advocating for changing something. It's lazy.
Their "HoW dO yUo TaX StOcK!?!?!" strawman was equally lazy.

[RandomGuy]

I think the Never Trumper types are headed the Democrat party. There's no going back to the R's for them.

Eyup. The Republican party has gone so far to the right, it cannot come back.

The fact that they ignored the study that they themselves commissioned about why they are slipping with just about all demographics says volumes.

[RandomGuy]

lol self loathing

https://godtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/christians-leaders-wash-feet-black-protest.jpg

http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/PopeFrancis-washing-feet-young-people-.jpg

Or a mark of humility.

[RandomGuy]

I don't see it. We all saw what happened in 2012 when the Rs tried running on a bland corporatist agenda. Their next move is to continue embracing Trump's pseudo-populism only with a candidate who's well spoken and looks presidential to suburban women.

They will have the same kind of problem that outright terrorists tend to have: Finding someone competent who isn't a total whackadoodle.

That kind of pseudo-populism does not tend to attract people who aren't a tad off-kilter to begin with.

Sad!

[RandomGuy]

Nothing happens. Dems wear out their welcome, get overconfident and continue to trot out terrible candidates like Shillary or old Joe. The GOP keeps doing it's thing with gerrymandering, voter suppression and taking advantage of the dumb/uneducated voter.

What would a good candidate be then?

Mostly agree with you here. Dems need to walk the walk when it comes to policies that benefit the black and brown voters taht are going to give them the keys.

[gambit1990]

So impossible :lol
:lol

[SnakeBoy]

So you're saying a corporate tax system that requires Amazon to pay higher corporate taxes every year wouldn't shrink the value of Amazon stock? Do you not know how stock is valued?

The "how do you tax stock" is a total strawman argument (you could actually impose a wealth tax on stock but that's not my point). Bezos stock is worth what it's worth because of how much surplus-value goes to the stockholder vs. other stakeholders. If more surplus-value was going towards workers, the government (via taxes), vendors, etc. the stock would inherently be worth less.

lol that is just wrong

You are right that I am too lazy to explain to you what determines the value of a companies stock and how that value has little to do with how much their workers get paid or how much they paid in corporate taxes

It's also lazy of you to point at a rich guy and say it's not fair or things should be more fair. I mean if you have a specific tax proposal in regards to corporate taxes or capital gains taxes let's hear it.

[Will Hunting]

lol that is just wrong

You are right that I am too lazy to explain to you what determines the value of a companies stock and how that value has little to do with how much their workers get paid or how much they paid in corporate taxes

It's also lazy of you to point at a rich guy and say it's not fair or things should be more fair. I mean if you have a specific tax proposal in regards to corporate taxes or capital gains taxes let's hear it.
lol just gliby saying "that's all wrong"

Stocks are valued off expected future free cash flow to equity (i.e., surplus-value). This is corporate finance 101. If workers need to be paid more and income is taxed at a higher rate, there's going to be less future cash flow to equity. Are you seriously saying that the cost of labor and corporate income taxes don't have any relationship with a company's market cap :lol

Specific proposal - Tax capital gains at the ordinary tax rate and restore the tax rates we had back in the 1950s when the country actually had a middle class. Increase the estate tax to 75% on any estate value over $5 million since the only people who get hurt by an estate tax are trust fund babies who did nothing to earn it. Is that specific enough?

[ElNono]

There is no looney tunes part of the GOP. They're just the GOP.

I dunno about that. It is right now because Dear Leader. But once he's out of the picture (and he inevitably will be sooner or later), I'm not sure what that picture looks like.

Frankly, I can't see an ending to Trumpism that's not a complete flameout.

[Winehole23]

what happens to the Republican Party if something happens to Mitch McConnell?


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[Will Hunting]

Cocaine Mitch is just a vessel for Charles Koch and the other industrialists who want to return the country to the 1920s. He's easily replaceable.

[rmt]

These huge wealth gaps everyone loves to moan about are mostly entrepreneurs that built companies from zero and those billions they have are based on the appreciation of their stock in their companies. Its not dollars in their pocket its in the value of the companies they created. Hell, Bezos started from nothing in his garage and built Amazon. Jobs and Woz started in their garage and built Apple. Google was a little startup going up against giant Yahoo and kicked their ass. Its something to respect, not resent.

Bezos - graduate of Palmetto Senior High where my church group plays Ultimate Frisbee on Sunday evenings (pre-covid). A cousin of his works where I work.

It's amazing that these people can come from nothing and build up these gigantic companies. I remember when I used to order textbooks from Amazon - never dreamed it would take over retail the way it has.

[Trainwreck2100]

Bezos - graduate of Palmetto Senior High where my church group plays Ultimate Frisbee on Sunday evenings (pre-covid). A cousin of his works where I work.

It's amazing that these people can come from nothing and build up these gigantic companies. I remember when I used to order textbooks from Amazon - never dreamed it would take over retail the way it has.

if they had nothing where did his parents come up with 250000?

[Bogie]

Blaming your failure on your mother. That's pathetic. :lol

there’s a whole lot of irony here. Maybe more irony than any single post on this site.

so where’s your big boy answer about what should make anyone support the Republican Party?

[Bogie]

lol that is just wrong

You are right that I am too lazy to explain to you what determines the value of a companies stock and how that value has little to do with how much their workers get paid or how much they paid in corporate taxes

It's also lazy of you to point at a rich guy and say it's not fair or things should be more fair. I mean if you have a specific tax proposal in regards to corporate taxes or capital gains taxes let's hear it.


just say you’re too frightened and not intelligent enough to answer the question. It would save time.

and just like the other “self made” success on here, you don’t understand economics either.

jesus

[Bogie]

Don't really get the joke. My mom is a lawyer (now a judge) and gave me every opportunity in the world. I'm by no means saying I'm personally hard done by.


impossible, they never did anything to help you at all. You’re a self made success, and you didn’t inherit anything, and did every single thing to achieve your success.

at least that’s what all the truly truly successful people on spurstalk did.

jesus

[Bogie]

The "you just don't think it's fair" argument can be applied to literally any discussion where one side is advocating for changing something. It's lazy.

it’s actually a pretty common tactic by what have devolved into trumpers.

they think that trying to shame people into silence and acceptance as the people that use their wealth to buy the people that make the rules to favor them.

Because they think they’ll have that kind of money some day, and they are naturally shitty people.

[ElNono]

What would a good candidate be then?

Mostly agree with you here. Dems need to walk the walk when it comes to policies that benefit the black and brown voters taht are going to give them the keys.

Michelle Obama would be a good, appealing candidate, but apparently doesn't want to run. Keep looking in that mold.

[gambit1990]

What would a good candidate be then?
andrew yang
aoc
sherrod brown

[Will Hunting]

andrew yang
aoc
sherrod brown
Sherrod was my #1 choice this year but in hindsight I'm glad he didn't run, his senate seat is too important.

[boutons_deux]

How Donald Trump Jr. could crush Republican senators — and take over the GOP from his father

Wilson told The Guardian,

“What I tell all these Republicans who think they’re going to run in ’24 for president — Ben Sasse and Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz — is they’re not going anywhere.

They should stop right now.

They’re wasting their time and everyone else’s,

because the nominee in 2024 is going to be Donald Trump, Jr.

He will come in, he will have his father’s endorsement, and

he will promise great feats of lib ownership.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/how-donald-trump-jr-could-crush-republican-senators-and-take-over-the-gop-from-his-father (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/how-donald-trump-jr-could-crush-republican-senators-and-take-over-the-gop-from-his-father/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[Trainwreck2100]

andrew yang
aoc
sherrod brown
Wow that's a shitty take

[Will Hunting]

I don’t even think AOC intends to run in 2024. She’s got her eye on Schumer’s seat in 2022.

[Trainwreck2100]

I don’t even think AOC intends to run in 2024. She’s got her eye on Schumer’s seat in 2022.

She can try but she'll lose

[Will Hunting]

She can try but she'll lose
I’m not sure about that. She got the celebrity status and name recognition most upstart progressive candidates struggle to get.

[SnakeBoy]

Stocks are valued off expected future free cash flow to equity (i.e., surplus-value). This is corporate finance 101. If workers need to be paid more and income is taxed at a higher rate, there's going to be less future cash flow to equity. Are you seriously saying that the cost of labor and corporate income taxes don't have any relationship with a company's market cap :lol


Sounds like you got the stock market all figured out. You should open a RobinHood account asap.



Specific proposal - Tax capital gains at the ordinary tax rate and restore the tax rates we had back in the 1950s when the country actually had a middle class. Increase the estate tax to 75% on any estate value over $5 million since the only people who get hurt by an estate tax are trust fund babies who did nothing to earn it. Is that specific enough?

Yeah that's specific. Good luck with that platform.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hitLCGRQuKU/TjyAfiJY8XI/AAAAAAAAB6g/d_2UJUgtjr4/s800/1950s%252520Tax%252520Rates.JPG

I think the middle class is under taxed but those rates seem excessive even to me.

[Will Hunting]

Sounds like you got the stock market all figured out. You should open a RobinHood account asap.



Yeah that's specific. Good luck with that platform.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hitLCGRQuKU/TjyAfiJY8XI/AAAAAAAAB6g/d_2UJUgtjr4/s800/1950s%252520Tax%252520Rates.JPG

I think the middle class is under taxed but those rates seem excessive even to me.
Goes without saying that you’d be adjusting for inflation.

I already have a Robinhood account but glad you’re once again resorting to sarcasm because you have no response.

[SnakeBoy]

I already have a Robinhood account

:lmao

[Will Hunting]

:lol Snakebiy has gone from advocating for trickle down economics to laughing about Robinhood Accounts since he ran out of arguments to make

[pgardn]

Sounds like you got the stock market all figured out. You should open a RobinHood account asap.



Yeah that's specific. Good luck with that platform.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hitLCGRQuKU/TjyAfiJY8XI/AAAAAAAAB6g/d_2UJUgtjr4/s800/1950s%252520Tax%252520Rates.JPG

I think the middle class is under taxed but those rates seem excessive even to me.

Middle Class? Middle class... What middle class?

Bottom 50 % income of the taxpayers in the US pay 3% of our Federal tax
Top 50% income of the taxpayers in the US pay 97% of our Federal tax

Can you please explain to me where there is a middle class?

The joke is that people actually think they are in it. Both those who make a bunch of money and those who make very little, think they are in it. The top 1% are considered those with a net worth of about 12 million dollars. Im not there, but I still deserve to be taxed much more heavily than the "middle class". Even if it takes having to pay for some nonsense Wall, thats what I get for being a citizen in the US. I pay for things I dont want to pay for.

Red team totally does not get this.

[ElNono]

Sounds like you got the stock market all figured out. You should open a RobinHood account asap.

I could be wrong and he might not want to say it, but IIRC, he works in the financial industry :lol

Just a heads up.

[ElNono]

Yeah that's specific. Good luck with that platform.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hitLCGRQuKU/TjyAfiJY8XI/AAAAAAAAB6g/d_2UJUgtjr4/s800/1950s%252520Tax%252520Rates.JPG

I think the middle class is under taxed but those rates seem excessive even to me.

Yet, the US had historical growth during that period, thus why it was called the Decade of Prosperity.

One could argue it was also coming off WWII, however, the government was the biggest employer during the war, and dumped money in like crazy into the economy at that time.

[SnakeBoy]

I could be wrong and he might not want to say it, but IIRC, he works in the financial industry :lol

Just a heads up.

If he thinks labor costs & taxes = market cap then that is sad


Yet, the US had historical growth during that period, thus why it was called the Decade of Prosperity.

One could argue it was also coming off WWII, however, the government was the biggest employer during the war, and dumped money in like crazy into the economy at that time.

Didn't hurt that the US was the only winner of WWII

[baseline bum]

Didn't hurt that the US was the only winner of WWII

Soviets won pretty big too

[vy65]

Sounds like you got the stock market all figured out. You should open a RobinHood account asap.



Yeah that's specific. Good luck with that platform.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hitLCGRQuKU/TjyAfiJY8XI/AAAAAAAAB6g/d_2UJUgtjr4/s800/1950s%252520Tax%252520Rates.JPG

I think the middle class is under taxed but those rates seem excessive even to me.

You’re a fuckstain generally, but those brackets are insane. Someone making 32k should not be paying 6,400 in taxes. The 30% at 100k and 50% at 260k thresholds are also insane.

[baseline bum]

You’re a fuckstain generally, but those brackets are insane. Someone making 32k should not be paying 6,400 in taxes. The 30% at 100k and 50% at 260k thresholds are also insane.

Makes sense when they had to pay for the war.

[ElNono]

If he thinks labor costs & taxes = market cap then that is sad

I don't think that's what he said. He said labor costs & taxes have an inference on the overall market value of a company. That's not unreasonable, and actually fairly easy to support.


Didn't hurt that the US was the only winner of WWII

I don't know about only winner, but it certainly didn't hurt the government dropped over 100% of the GDP in debt into the local economy (to pay for the war).

Obviously, it also didn't hurt that back then we had the currency pegged on gold, which meant there was a physical backing to the debt. Difficult to replicate now.

[vy65]

Makes sense when they had to pay for the war.

Very likely maybe but it sure as shit doesn’t make sense now. That sort of bracket would actually validate the impoverished trumptard narrative of being taxed too much and drive young professionals to the GOP if every dollar over 100k earned was taxed at nearly 50%

[ElNono]

You’re a fuckstain generally, but those brackets are insane. Someone making 32k should not be paying 6,400 in taxes. The 30% at 100k and 50% at 260k thresholds are also insane.

Should also really point out that things like sales tax were generally smaller back then and about 1/3 of the US didn't have sales taxes at all. I also suspect city/state taxes were probably less of a burden.

Furthermore, Medicare didn't pan out until the 60s and Social Security started at 2% back then.

Those brackets certainly look way less appealing when you add up all the extra taxation that goes on top.

[Isitjustme?]

I don't see it. We all saw what happened in 2012 when the Rs tried running on a bland corporatist agenda.
They lost to Obama who Trump would also have gotten curb stomped by except even by an even bigger margin? Not sure what your point here is

[vy65]

Should also really point out that things like sales tax were generally smaller back then and about 1/3 of the US didn't have sales taxes at all. I also suspect city/state taxes were probably less of a burden.

Furthermore, Medicare didn't pan out until the 60s and Social Security started at 2% back then.

Those brackets certainly look way less appealing when you add up all the extra taxation that goes on top.

I’d also be curious to see what property taxes looked like back then, if anything, but good points

[Trainwreck2100]

who knows how many write-offs for the poor we had back then too, you used to be able to write off credit card interest. But we have to lose those to pay for the tax cuts to the rich

[boutons_deux]

Soviets won pretty big too

but USSR lost 20M in the war and then Stalin killed another 20M, and the USSR was excluded from the world economy by USA.

1945 - 1975 is considered by Western countries as a Golden Age when rapidly increasing wealth was shared up and down the economic classes. The victors helped Germany and Japan rebuild after WWII, having learned how disastrous (rise of Hitler) the punishment was after WWI.

Then in early 1970s, spurred by godfather Lewis Powell, the oligarchy/VRWC/BigCorp got organized to influence politics, founded rightwing stink tanks to crank out propaganda, to suppress wages, bust unions, cut taxes on themselves, capture politicians and govt.

During the next 45 years, GAMEOVER for the non-oligarchy.

[Will Hunting]

They lost to Obama who Trump would also have gotten curb stomped by except even by an even bigger margin? Not sure what your point here is
Their base had bad turnout in 2012. Romney won with centrist voters in 2012 but lost because of poor base turnout. Not saying Obama was a bad candidate but he was vulnerable in 2012. Slow economic recovery (not his fault but the average voter is too stupid to know that) and approval rating in the 40s right up until the election.

The GOP's only path forward where they avoid having to change their platform is doubling down on the Trump populism only with a candidate who looks more presidential.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sounds like you got the stock market all figured out. You should open a RobinHood account asap.



Yeah that's specific. Good luck with that platform.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hitLCGRQuKU/TjyAfiJY8XI/AAAAAAAAB6g/d_2UJUgtjr4/s800/1950s%252520Tax%252520Rates.JPG

I think the middle class is under taxed but those rates seem excessive even to me.

Those tax rates were an illusion. No one paid those rates. There were a million ways to avoid them. The average person was still paying 12-18% The tax code has changed since then.

[Chucho]

biggest pool of untapped voters is the youth vote, but im not sure theres a way to get them engaged tbh

Make it a social media "challenge".

[spurraider21]

Make it a social media "challenge".
extend vote by mail to vote by tweet

[gambit1990]

if the GOP splits with MAGA then MAGA will eventually beat the GOP and the GOP will fold into MAGA.

[hater]

Still Trumps party. Hes got all the marbles. They will try to convince and bribe him to go in the background and stay a repug. Tough task :lmao

[hater]

if the GOP splits with MAGA then MAGA will eventually beat the GOP and the GOP will fold into MAGA.

See brexit party.

Similar thing will happen.

GOP will have to go more extreme or they be eaten alive :lol

[daslicer]

They will still be relevant. A 2 party system ensures they will always be around. They will unfortunately comeback stronger from this.

[gambit1990]

i've been thinking maga will grow and continue to be a threat.

but maybe it dies out. can trump really con those people for four more years while not being president?

i mean, maybe...

[Winehole23]

i've been thinking maga will grow and continue to be a threat.

but maybe it dies out. can trump really con those people for four more years while not being president?

i mean, maybe...Here to stay.

When they start doing violent shit, the dirty war will begin.

[Spurminator]

It's starting to look like there's no reason for MAGA and the GOP to split... as long as establishment Republicans keep paying lip service to the recounts and Trump's victimization, the MAGAtards will keep falling for it.

[Winehole23]

And let me speak to the yet unknowing world how these things came about: so shall you hear of carnal, bloody, and unnatural acts, of accidental judgment, casual slaughters, of deaths put on by cunning and forced cause, and in this upshot, purposes mistook fall’n on the inventors’ heads. All this can I truly deliver.

[gambit1990]

aside from maga, maybe an even bigger question... will republicans totally stay inline with mitch again? or will some finally break and vote with dems on some things?

[baseline bum]

i've been thinking maga will grow and continue to be a threat.

but maybe it dies out. can trump really con those people for four more years while not being president?

i mean, maybe...

Trump is going to keep doing rallies as a show of force that he still controls the Republican party. They may be ready to move on but it's not their choice, it's not their party; it's his party, and he's not going to give it up.

[baseline bum]

aside from maga, maybe an even bigger question... will republicans totally stay inline with mitch again? or will some finally break and vote with dems on some things?

They don't have a choice. McConnell will still control what gets to the senate floor unless the Democrats can take both senate seats in GA.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/CVXv0C0/20201109-095531.jpg

[ElNono]

https://i.ibb.co/CVXv0C0/20201109-095531.jpg

:tu

[Trill Clinton]

GOP has turned into the party of Trump. They need the MAGA base more than they need them.

[Kurgan]

GOP has turned into the party of Trump. They need the MAGA base more than they need them.

Yup, we saw how badly the traditional GOP candidates fared in 2008 and 2012. With MAGA populism, Republicans are having record turnouts. Meanwhile, Dems are circling the drain with the same tired centrist candidates. Biden won mostly because Trump was an idiot that didn't know when to shut the hell up and lived to antagonize the opposition. If someone had turned his twitter off at the start of the year, he wins this election easily. A competent handling of Covid would have won him re-election as well.

[Dirks_Finale]

What's interesting is that Fox news has already seemed to make their choice to distance themselves from MAGA. If scorned Trump begins his own network as rumored, I could see Fox's ratings fall off the face of the earth. Conservatives are already flocking to OANN and Newsmax as it is.

The party as a whole has quite a dilema on their hands. Trumpism can also be detrimental with his crazy 3 am tweets :lol. I can't see establishment Republicans trying to explain away Trump's controversial comments, every other day :lol

[RandomGuy]

Trump is going to keep doing rallies as a show of force that he still controls the Republican party. They may be ready to move on but it's not their choice, it's not their party; it's his party, and he's not going to give it up.

Nope. It is the Trump party for now.

[Dirks_Finale]

Yup, we saw how badly the traditional GOP candidates fared in 2008 and 2012. With MAGA populism, Republicans are having record turnouts. Meanwhile, Dems are circling the drain with the same tired centrist candidates. Biden won mostly because Trump was an idiot that didn't know when to shut the hell up and lived to antagonize the opposition. If someone had turned his twitter off at the start of the year, he wins this election easily. A competent handling of Covid would have won him re-election as well.

Trump wins with even a semi-decent handling of COVID. His continued stupid azz comments about testing less so less cases show up did him in.

[Winehole23]

Trump wins with even a semi-decent handling of COVID. His continued stupid azz comments about testing less so less cases show up did him in.If Trump manages somehow to hang on to power now, he may never face another loss in a free election, and therefore has nothing to fear from squishy Republicans. They're either on the bus or off the bus.

[Winehole23]

A guy like Will Hurd was considered an upcoming POC in the GOP just a few years ago.

He's announced his retirement at the end of his current term.

1324525976198565890

[baseline bum]

What's interesting is that Fox news has already seemed to make their choice to distance themselves from MAGA. If scorned Trump begins his own network as rumored, I could see Fox's ratings fall off the face of the earth. Conservatives are already flocking to OANN and Newsmax as it is.

The party as a whole has quite a dilema on their hands. Trumpism can also be detrimental with his crazy 3 am tweets :lol. I can't see establishment Republicans trying to explain away Trump's controversial comments, every other day :lol

Trump TV would be a bankrupt disaster just like every other business he gets his hands on.

[baseline bum]

A guy like Will Hurd was considered an upcoming POC in the GOP just a few years ago.

He's announced his retirement at the end of his current term.

1324525976198565890

Fuck him, Hurd is another Jeff Flake who complains to the cameras but never executed his actual power to rein in the corrupt president.

[MASSA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyv905Q2omU

[Leetonidas]

Spurtacular melting down across multiple threads now. You hate to see it :lol

[gambit1990]

pretty wild to see what the sec of state had to say about 2nd trump term.

and that's from the guy who is in the cards for republicans in the future.

[FrostKing]

#Winning

[Winehole23]

salt of the earth

1329296796045152259

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnXjbBEXUAAwg6K?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

tales from Comet Ping-Pong

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[Winehole23]

(present progressive, "is Pizzagating")

[ChumpDumper]

tales from Comet Ping-Pong

1330257521299378184I've never seen three guys who look more like pedos in my life. The only way it could be worse is if they were dressed in cassocks and quoting scripture.

[Isitjustme?]

Yup, we saw how badly the traditional GOP candidates fared in 2008 and 2012.

Well they were running against Obama not Hillary lol

[Isitjustme?]

1330079395483164673

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f4c9e6d0c269030df252f4d895ade38d/tenor.gif?itemid=13030909

[Will Hunting]

1330079395483164673

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f4c9e6d0c269030df252f4d895ade38d/tenor.gif?itemid=13030909
Some of the misinformation twitter accounts about how Georgia conservatives should boycott the runoff election to send a message to Kemp actually seem semi convincing given the retarded audience they’re targeting :lol

[TimDunkem]

No one stop these guys, okay? :lol

[gambit1990]

i wanna make a parler and tell everyone to write in trump twice when they vote in geogia :lol

[FrostKing]

I've never seen three guys who look more like pedos in my life. The only way it could be worse is if they were dressed in cassocks and quoting scripture.

You self identity as black huh

[ChumpDumper]

You self identity as black huh:lol no

You're really not smart.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnmNB5zW8AIHMLw?format=png&name=small

[coyotes_geek]

Republicans have done a masterful job of positioning themselves as the anti-education party.

[pgardn]

It also probably indicates a big income gap as well which is scary.
This disparity continues to grow and is, imo, a symptom of a sick country.

[boutons_deux]

Republicans have done a masterful job of positioning themselves as the anti-education party.

anti-science (that doesn't fit their politics, not much does)

anti-democracy, preferring fascism like a Repug authoritarian "unitarian executive" of no Constitutional oversight by Congress (but a Dem Pres to be oppressively, constrictively "oversighted". Watch what they do to Biden)

anti-environment, of course, plunder it all for profit

anti-Labor, anti-consumer, anti-voter, anti-patient

and pro-Capital, Capitalism itself being inhumane and anti-democratic.

anti-all-government For The People

Trash is 100% Repug, just an anomalous non-dog-whistling Repug

[coyotes_geek]

It also probably indicates a big income gap as well which is scary.
This disparity continues to grow and is, imo, a symptom of a sick country.

It's scary if you're a republican. Building an island around the rural / high school diploma crowd is a losing strategy politically.

[Winehole23]

Republicans have done a masterful job of positioning themselves as the anti-education party.The obverse of the same coin is that the Dems have become the party of the technocratic elite.

Have you seen this? Lind's smugness puts me off, but he has a slick theory.


Ironically, this leaves all the agency with the ruling class, who first acceded to the class compromise, then canceled it, and is now called on to forge a new one lest its underlings revolt.

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/away-in-a-manager-on-michael-linds-the-new-class-war/
https://www.amazon.com/New-Class-War-Democracy-Managerial/dp/0593083695

[coyotes_geek]

The obverse of the same coin is that the Dems have become the party of the technocratic elite.

Have you seen this? Lind's smugness puts me off, but he has a slick theory.



https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/away-in-a-manager-on-michael-linds-the-new-class-war/
https://www.amazon.com/New-Class-War-Democracy-Managerial/dp/0593083695

Haven't seen the book, but there's a lot in that review that I agreed with. Tech-saavy urban areas are succeeding and everyone else is getting left behind.

[rjv]

The Republican Party will absorb the "steal the vote" demographic, just as it did the Tea Party and The Birthers; as a result, the GOP will continue its migration even further right. We are really in a state where the Dems are what the Republicans once were and the Republicans are pretty much just bat shit crazy.

[Winehole23]

The Republican Party will absorb the "steal the vote" demographic, just as it did the Tea Party and The Birthers; as a result, the GOP will continue its migration even further right. We are really in a state where the Dems are what the Republicans once were and the Republicans are pretty much just bat shit crazy.

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[FrostKing]

Your voters were roiting and looting for 8 months but we are the crazy fascists.

Defund police, socialism and systematic racism are effective party policies

Please keep it up. 2022 will be an even bigger blowout in Congress.

[spurraider21]

Your voters were roiting and looting for 8 months but we are the crazy fascists

Please keep it up. 2022 will be an even bigger blowout in Congress.
people rioting =/= fascism

fascism isn't just a fancy word for "things i dont like"

[ChumpDumper]

Your voters were roiting and looting for 8 months but we are the crazy fascists

Please keep it up. 2022 will be an even bigger blowout in Congress.How long til your team shoots up another synagogue?

[FrostKing]

people rioting =/= fascism

fascism isn't just a fancy word for "things i dont like"
Roaming the streets forcing people to take off certain clothing and show allegiance to political movements is textbook fascism

[FrostKing]

How long til your team shoots up another synagogue?
Sometime after the 1,000 black murder of the calendar year. Dat 85% Biden voting demographic

[ChumpDumper]

Sometime after the 1,000 black murder of the calendar year. Dat 85% Biden voting demographic:lol every single time you try to compare street crime to mass murder terrorism.

Why can't you own your side's political violence?

[DMC]

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Except the future part. We've been there a while.

[spurraider21]

Roaming the streets forcing people to take off certain clothing and show allegiance to political movements is textbook fascism
not if its not done by the state. and fascism wouldnt be about showing allegiance to just any political movement (let alone one based on principles of equity). fascism adopts an inherently nationalistic framework

[coyotes_geek]

The Republican Party will absorb the "steal the vote" demographic, just as it did the Tea Party and The Birthers; as a result, the GOP will continue its migration even further right. We are really in a state where the Dems are what the Republicans once were and the Republicans are pretty much just bat shit crazy.

Definitely agree that the GOP has gone off the deep end. Trump is just a symptom. I think Democrats have some identity issues of their own though. You've got the corporatists and moderates who don't want any part of the social conservative agenda, but still want to make a buck, and then you've got the hardcore progressives. I think the democrats view of a moderate from their own party is where republicans used to be. You can't find a republican view of a moderate from their own party because they all get shouted down for being RINOs.

Just looking ahead to Biden's presidency, I suspect he'll end up taking heat both from republicans who think he's too socialist and from elements within his own party that will think he's not socialist enough.

[Splits]

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[rjv]

Definitely agree that the GOP has gone off the deep end. Trump is just a symptom. I think Democrats have some identity issues of their own though. You've got the corporatists and moderates who don't want any part of the social conservative agenda, but still want to make a buck, and then you've got the hardcore progressives. I think the democrats view of a moderate from their own party is where republicans used to be. You can't find a republican view of a moderate from their own party because they all get shouted down for being RINOs.

Just looking ahead to Biden's presidency, I suspect he'll end up taking heat both from republicans who think he's too socialist and from elements within his own party that will think he's not socialist enough.

i agree. the huge disadvantage that the dems have is that they are don't enjoy the advantage of such a wide domain of potential voters; they have to appease the vast centrist demographic (and financial backers) while still having to pay attention to the progressive demographic that may have very well been the difference in this election. and the GOP will press hard with the bizarre narrative that somehow neoliberalism is tantamount to socialism.

[boutons_deux]

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Trash rabid cult mob, big stupid, big ignorant

is the video mirrored, she's in RHD car?

[Winehole23]

Except the future part. We've been there a while.The tweet is about nine years old best I can recall.

[Winehole23]

Texas GOP getting weirder, you love to see it.

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[koriwhat]

Texas GOP getting weirder, you love to see it.

I don't think you people truly get it. It isn't republicans against the left nor the right. It's Americans against the left and the right, the establishment. You either give af about our Constitution/Republic or you're standing in the way.

[FrostKing]

I don't think you people truly get it. It isn't republicans against the left nor the right. It's Americans against the left and the right, the establishment. You either give af about our Constitution/Republic or you're standing in the way.
The Left talks a great game "we are the 99%" but they don't realize their values are almost entirely aligned with the Establishment...

[koriwhat]

The Left talks a great game "we are the 99%" but they don't realize their values are almost entirely aligned with the Establishment...

It's funny because it's true... All the young people think they're counter culture and don't step in line with the establishment yet the establishment is the MSM, Hollywood, the Music industry, Academia, etc. They are all just cogs in that crap machine called progressivism yet I like to call it a half step closer to Communism and they're all on board for it.

[Winehole23]

I don't think you people truly get it. It isn't republicans against the left nor the right. It's Americans against the left and the right, the establishment. You either give af about our Constitution/Republic or you're standing in the way.Protecting the Constitution by nullifying elections is a contradiction in terms.

[koriwhat]

Protecting the Constitution by nullifying elections is a contradiction in terms.

Who's nullifying anything? Just because you jump to conclusions doesn't mean it's reality just like Biden being President Elect when he isn't and holding a fake "Office of the President Elect".

You claim going through the courts, which is DJT's duty to do so, is somehow nullifying the election. SMH

[FrostKing]

It's funny because it's true... All the young people think they're counter culture and don't step in line with the establishment yet the establishment is the MSM, Hollywood, the Music industry, Academia, etc. They are all just cogs in that crap machine called progressivism yet I like to call it a half step closer to Communism and they're all on board for it.
Well said

https://i.ibb.co/8BndfF6/bae.jpg

[Winehole23]

Who's nullifying anything? Just because you jump to conclusions doesn't mean it's reality just like Biden being President Elect when he isn't and holding a fake "Office of the President Elect".

You claim going through the courts, which is DJT's duty to do so, is somehow nullifying the election. SMHDJT is asking courts to throw out certified election results based on vague bullshit he can't prove.

[koriwhat]

DJT is asking courts to throw out certified election results based on vague bullshit he can't prove.

Are you an insider or strictly talking out of your bum like all the others here on ST? You ever think for a moment that you most definitely don't have all the facts, that you aren't in any of the circles in DC, and that you're merely another dude on a message board with a soap box that holds no weight and is crushed under your assumptions? It is what it is.

Again, we all are just spectators and we'll see how this whole thing plays out. Trying to tell others what is what and that everything is set in stone is just ridiculous and reckless.

[spurraider21]

Are you an insider or strictly talking out of your bum like all the others here on ST? You ever think for a moment that you most definitely don't have all the facts, that you aren't in any of the circles in DC, and that you're merely another dude on a message board with a soap box that holds no weight and is crushed under your assumptions? It is what it is.

Again, we all are just spectators and we'll see how this whole thing plays out. Trying to tell others what is what and that everything is set in stone is just ridiculous and reckless.
you dont have to be an insider to read the briefings filed with the court... most of which have been in cases that have been thrown out

[koriwhat]

you dont have to be an insider to read the briefings filed with the court... most of which have been in cases that have been thrown out

What's the end game? Yall can keep saying "they're all getting thrown out" just like yall keep saying "Biden is President Elect" but it all amounts to nothing realistically. Go get your paralegal because I'd rather speak with him/her than a snake like yourself tbh.

[spurraider21]

What's the end game? Yall can keep saying "they're all getting thrown out" just like yall keep saying "Biden is President Elect" but it all amounts to nothing realistically. Go get your paralegal because I'd rather speak with him/her than a snake like yourself tbh.
the endgame? the electoral college meets on December 14

lawsuits getting thrown out means time is ticking before team trump actually has to prove their case to the point where they can swing states

[koriwhat]

the endgame? the electoral college meets on December 14

lawsuits getting thrown out means time is ticking before team trump actually has to prove their case to the point where they can swing states

Jan 6th... What's up with that date lawyer?

[Winehole23]

Are you an insider or strictly talking out of your bum like all the others here on ST? You ever think for a moment that you most definitely don't have all the facts, that you aren't in any of the circles in DC, and that you're merely another dude on a message board with a soap box that holds no weight and is crushed under your assumptions? It is what it is.

Again, we all are just spectators and we'll see how this whole thing plays out. Trying to tell others what is what and that everything is set in stone is just ridiculous and reckless.A lot of the filings/decisions are posted in this thread if you'd like to start getting familiar with the legal stuff.. Some of us have been reading along the whole way.

[Will Hunting]

Who's nullifying anything? Just because you jump to conclusions doesn't mean it's reality just like Biden being President Elect when he isn't and holding a fake "Office of the President Elect".

You claim going through the courts, which is DJT's duty to do so, is somehow nullifying the election. SMH
Trump tried going through courts and failed. He’s now trying to get state legislators to change their election laws so they can hijack the process and pick their own electors. That’s not going through the courts, it’s attempting a coup.

[Will Hunting]

koriwhat (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10674) the high school dropout crackhead tattoo artist thinks he knows the law better than a lawyer :lmao
Remember when he tried talking about all the legal experience he got as a deposition videographer :lol

[koriwhat]

Trump tried going through courts and failed. He’s now trying to get state legislators to change their election laws so they can hijack the process and pick their own electors. That’s not going through the courts, it’s attempting a coup.

Lol He's trying to get them to change their election laws or prove the changes made weren't legal to begin with?

[Will Hunting]

The Left talks a great game "we are the 99%" but they don't realize their values are almost entirely aligned with the Establishment...
It doesn’t get more establishment than a billionaire oligarch who ran for president to give himself a tax cut. Just because Trump talks like an anti-establishment knuckle dragging redneck doesn’t mean he is one.

[koriwhat]

Remember when he tried talking about all the legal experience he got as a deposition videographer :lol

I never claimed to know law. I simply stated what I did for work. You're a liar bro.

[Ghazi]

I never claimed to know law. I simply stated what I did for work. You're a liar bro.

lol calf tats

[Will Hunting]

Lol He's trying to get them to change their election laws or prove the changes made weren't legal to begin with?
Both, but regardless, that’s something for courts to handle, not state legislatures.

If he thought the election laws were unconstitutional, he should have challenged them before the election. The fact he waited until after the election to challenge laws in court makes it a lot harder for the court to grant any relief.

[Ghazi]

:lmao my nigga Ghazi still dunkin on fools. How do you feel about our Boys In Blue?

Top 4 seed probably

[Will Hunting]

I never claimed to know law. I simply stated what I did for work. You're a liar bro.
:lol liar, you clearly try to invoke your past “career” as a videographer to create the appearance that you’re an authority on how the legal system works:

you trolls are all the same losers... using my name to act like you have some sort of connection outside of ST with me is downright pathetic.



ever been in court? you have no clue what you're speaking of and trying to relate discussion on an internet messageboard to an actual court case is down right retarded.

i used to sit in and film depos so i'm not clueless to the whole system you're clueless to dipshit.

[TimDunkem]

^Damn :lol

[Winehole23]

the people's vote CANNOT be allowed to remove Republicans from power

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[spurraider21]

Jan 6th... What's up with that date lawyer?
electors votes count unless both the senate and house vote against it. you think the house is going to grant trump an unearned second term? :lmao

[Will Hunting]

electors votes count unless both the senate and house vote against it. you think the house is going to grant trump an unearned second term? :lmao
Can the senate and the house really overturn the electors with a simple majority? Hillary never had a fucking chance if so.

[koriwhat]

:lol liar, you clearly try to invoke your past “career” as a videographer to create the appearance that you’re an authority on how the legal system works:

I never claimed to know the law specifically; I spoke from a background of experience even if minute. There's clearly a difference when speaking with others who think they are 110% correct about everything they spew here on ST. You're more than willing to conflate the two and that's fine but it's not reality.

[koriwhat]

electors votes count unless both the senate and house vote against it. you think the house is going to grant trump an unearned second term? :lmao

You think what you'd like and I'll think what I'd like. Doesn't make either of us right but one thing's for sure you have a complex of superiority. You're superior to no man. :tu

[koriwhat]

lol calf tats

Insults from a schizo like yourself are meaningless to say the least. Keep praying to your pedophile prophet bro. :tu

[FrostKing]

It doesn’t get more establishment than a billionaire oligarch who ran for president to give himself a tax cut. Just because Trump talks like an anti-establishment knuckle dragging redneck doesn’t mean he is one.
That is fair. And the rest of the party platform?

[RD2191]

koriwhat (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10674) the high school dropout crackhead tattoo artist thinks he knows the law better than a lawyer :lmao
:lmao:lmao

[Winehole23]

Armed MAGAs threatening election officials at home for following the law.

Republicans don't do pussy hats and parade rallies, they do this when they lose.

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[DMC]

Armed MAGAs threatening election officials at home for following the law.

Republicans don't do pussy hats and parade rallies, they do this when they lose.

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Sounds like it was mostly peaceful protesting

[Winehole23]

Sounds like it was mostly peaceful protestingYou approve?

[Winehole23]

h:lolnest br:lolker

[ChumpDumper]

h:lolnest br:lolker"Biden v:lolter"

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/q9xNhcvZ6UI

[Winehole23]

That was fast. Lauren Witzke just ran for the US Senate in Delaware.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-delaware-senate.html

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[Winehole23]

The Q-Cult is already hyping martial law

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[Winehole23]

Republicans in 2016: Obama 3rd term, Jade Helm, FEMA re-education camps for Republican dissidents.

Republicans in 2020:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoolYIrVgAgUPLy?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

whispering fascism, tbh.

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[Winehole23]

from Mike Flynn's manifesto

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoNS2fgXYAM-isF?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

calling for for public officials to be killed on TV

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[Winehole23]

Arizona GOP teases insurrection

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