Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 Free Agency Discussion Thread

[mo7888]

Agree. With Collins seemingly coming off the board and seeing rest of the options out there, Im increasingly of mind that working something out with GSW should be near the top of the list of “plays” that should be made.

The other way to look at is:

1. Is picking up Lauri + another FA like Oubre really the better play? Sure we eat Wiggins deal for 2 more years, but do either of those guys make us that much better over the same period? Doubt it.

2. Is overpaying Zach Collins + getting a few other “distressed assets” here and there better?

3. Is the cost of getting Simmons really worth it given his limitation?

The only other play that appeals to me more is something around a DDR S&T (come on Wizards!), but there is too much smoke are DDR taking Lakers MLE to ignore. Then there is the Knicks, with all that space.

I definitely wouldn't pay the current asking price for Simmons and I don't want Oubre...all the rest I could see to varying degrees depending on other moves that could be made. I also agree with TD 21 that GS is more likely to make their move closer to the deadline with the hopes that Beal comes available.

[CGD]

The Warriors value Wiggins more than most and wouldn't salary dump him with young assets for a poor fit like DeRozan.

They'll wait out a better win now move, even if it takes up until the trade deadline to consummate.

I don’t think we’re saying DDR would be going there anymore (rumor is BS, probably by Oubre people trying to stir interest). It’s in the context of sending White or Murray.

And Cleveland sees Love as an asset too... in any event they have a massive tax bill, and the idea is they may want some relief regardless of how they “view” Wiggins.

[TD 21]

I don’t think we’re saying DDR would be going there anymore (rumor is BS, probably by Oubre people trying to stir interest). It’s in the context of sending White or Murray.

And Cleveland sees Love as an asset too... in any event they have a massive tax bill, and the idea is they may want some relief regardless of how they “view” Wiggins.

White is the only one of the three I could see them having interest in, but the offer would probably stop at Wiggins and Kuminga.

Not anymore and the difference is, the Warriors have to prioritize winning now over their massive tax bill so that their big three don't revolt.

[Kurik]

Im assuming Marrkanen isn’t getting more than 10m (12m max) starting, so I’d be ok with Zach around 9m. So yeah, I do that.

Lauri’s is a story of “when betting on yourself goes wrong.” I don’t see him getting the deal starting at 15m he passed up last year. Dummy.

Genuine question, do you think Zach Collins would get anywhere near 9m from a team. I was thinking 2-4m.

[Cabrito]

Didn’t Zach Collins re-fracture his foot last month? It is doubtful he will be signed by anyone until he passes a physical.

[TD 21]

This is what it's come to: I'm actually hoping Dinwiddie is signed and traded to the Wizards because Kuzma (better fit, more well rounded and likely cheaper than Markkanen) is the piece most likely to be traded to the Nets and as I've said, with their massive luxury tax bill, they'd probably prioritize the savings (Walker IV and Eubanks are expendable).

Kuzma/Samanic/Bates-Diop or Jeffries
Johnson/Vassell/Wieskamp
Poeltl/Dieng/Collins
White/Burks/Primo
Murray/Mills/Jones

:lobt2:

[ginobilized]

We cannot give up hope.

It's the hope that kills you

[Sugus]

this is a case where if the Spurs want a player badly enough, they will take him much to the disappointment of fans’ perceived value of what a #12 pick should look like. Let’s see what they do

You were on point, except for the wrong player :lol

[Kurik]

Didn’t Zach Collins re-fracture his foot last month? It is doubtful he will be signed by anyone until he passes a physical.

He did, Spurs will do their thing but I’d rather them tank and fill out the roster with 1 year projects and prepare to make a jump next year.

[ace3g]

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The Miami Heat are picking up guard Goran Dragic’s $19.4 million team option for the 2021-22 season, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).


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The Heat are declining the $15M team option on F Andre Iguodala’s contract for next season, making him a free agent, source tells ESPN.

[playblair]

successful offseason will be losing mills/derozan/gay plz make it happen

[Degoat]

No clue if this could/would happen but what do y’all think about a potential sign & trade with the clippers for Demar? Luke Kennard + Keon Johnson for Demar

[ace3g]

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The Los Angeles Clippers are hoping to re-sign Nicolas Batum, but the free-agent forward also receiving interest from Miami, Golden State and Indiana, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

[Fusternino]

Honestly wouldn't mind doing a S&T with the Clippers for some combination of Morris/Ibaka/Zubac and then just trying to poach Batum with being able to offer more money.

[poopbox]

Honestly wouldn't mind doing a S&T with the Clippers for some combination of Morris/Ibaka/Zubac and then just trying to poach Batum with being able to offer more money.

Morris after the stunt he pulled :lol

Ibaka who is 40 and can't stand up straight :lol

Zubac who the clippers can't decide if he should play or shouldn't play :lol

Batum who makes 3 shots per game :lol

[Excessive Egotist]

The odds on Lowry and DeRozan landing on the same team together are pretty high. Lowry will take meetings with Philly, Dallas, Miami, and, perhaps, New York. I wonder if he signals that he'd take less money IF the team also signs DeMar.

New York could sign each player outright, but neither Lowry nor DeRozan want to conclude their careers on a non-contender.

Miami, Philly, and Dallas could all sign and trade for DeRozan, generating a mid size to large TPE, which, for a contender, is more valuable than a draft pick. But each team would also trigger a hard cap, limiting the value of a large TPE.

Miami has enough space to sign Lowry. The player(s) whom they'd trade for DeRozan is unclear. The player must be under contract, so Duncan Robinson is out. Precious Achiuwa?

Dallas has enough space to sign Lowry. They've cleared a lot of space, either to outbid Lowry's suitors or max him out and retain THJ. The only obvious sign and trade for DeRozan is Porzingis. Kind of makes sense for both teams.

Philly would have to get super creative and is in the worst position to actually pull off trades. DeRozan and picks for Simmons in order to generate a TPE large enough to absorb Lowry is the only pathway I see. But Morey's asking price for Simmons appears much higher.

[RC_Drunkford]

People here don’t want any free agents not realizing that there’s about 1 good free agent on the market right now :lol and of course some scrubs, but some of them are still better than our scrubs

[Excessive Egotist]

Morris after the stunt he pulled :lol

Ibaka who is 40 and can't stand up straight :lol

Zubac who the clippers can't decide if he should play or shouldn't play :lol

Batum who makes 3 shots per game :lol


You'd ask for Keon Johnson, BJ Boston, and Zubac. No one is interested in Morris or Ibaka.

[Eaglenole2002]

The Miami Heat are trying to figure out a way to reunite free agent DeMar DeRozan with his former Raptors teammate Kyle Lowry in Miami, multiple sources have told #5RSN.


There are many complications to getting such a deal done.

[LeBowen]

Spurs hold all the cards here, if only I had any confidence in Brian Wright...

Young players with decent trade value on reasonable contracts .
Veterans wanted by contenders, easy to make S&T deals.
A ton of cap space to take bad contracts.

A good GM would accelerate our timeline by a couple of years this summer.

But as per usual, it'll be we like what we have. :pop:

[Excessive Egotist]

The Miami Heat are trying to figure out a way to reunite free agent DeMar DeRozan with his former Raptors teammate Kyle Lowry in Miami, multiple sources have told #5RSN.


There are many complications to getting such a deal done.

As I mention two posts above this, I believe this request will come from Lowry's camp and Philly, Dallas, and Miami will need to land DeRozan as part of their pitch to Lowry. This is very positive for the Spurs.

[8FOR!3]

Honestly the more I hear about Kelly Oubre on Spurs twitter the more I hope we sign and trade DeRozan for Kyle Kuzma...

[Joseph Kony]

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[ace3g]

Meant to post this here not the SL thread, lol

Time for some

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2021



Aug. 2: Teams can begin negotiating with free agents (6 p.m. ET)
Aug. 6: Teams can begin signing free agents (12:01 p.m. ET)

[MoSpur02]

The only players I would want from the Heat are Duncan Robinson and Precious. Robinson is a free agent so he’d have to agree to a S&T correct?

[ace3g]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Portland isn't extending the $7M qualifying offer to Zach Collins, officially making him a free agent, source tells ESPN.

[RC_Drunkford]

76ers are apparently shopping Tobias Harris

[stephen jackson]

We ain’t doing shit yet again

[lmbebo]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Portland isn't extending the $7M qualifying offer to Zach Collins, officially making him a free agent, source tells ESPN.


Collins on the cheap, not a bad signing. Big questions is health.

[RC_Drunkford]

Even Patty and Rudy could be sent out in a sign and trade with all the interest that's coming from teams above the cap. They would probably want them to sign for a tax-payers MLE though, but it seems like there's plenty on the table for the Spurs. Just don't fuck this up Brian Wrong

[Chomag]

IDK Getting Dragic would make one if White or DJ more expendable for more upcoming trades.

[Chomag]

However, I'm calling it that most likely this FO will do nothing and fluffers will defend it saying there wasn't anything available while a bunch of other teams somehow did something as per par..

Maybe we will get lucky on a left over washed up vet no other team wants..
This is getting old lol

[ace3g]

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Dallas Mavericks are picking up center Willie Cauley-Stein’s $4.1 million team option, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1421938139115921409?s=20

[ace3g]

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
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The Hornets just announced that they have not tendered a qualifying offer to Malik Monk, making Monk an unrestricted free agent.

[ace3g]

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The Brooklyn Nets did not extend qualifying offers to guards Chris Chiozza and Mike James, league sources told @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/). Both players will enter the market as unrestricted free agents.

[SAGirl]

I'm guessing Milutinov.

Kings desperately need center help, and the Spurs have his rights. He had shoulder surgery in February, no idea about his current status. Kings will have the room with the MLE to carve out enough to sign him.

He might be a fallback plan if they can't secure Holmes, which they probably can't.

They have 2 seconds in 2022, and an extra 2nd in 2025 to part with.
It would be interesting if they can reap something out of his draft rights. Wouldn’t it be something if the trade that nets them a small asset is Milutinov and not Demar or at some point back, Aldridge.

Id love for this to happen. He was never going to play for the Spurs.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the media pretending Lowry is going to swing the balance of power in the league because he played for one of their pets (they'd barely know he existed if he played here).

The rare times he decided to play last season, he appeared to have lost a step and even if he was just coasting, the Heat would still need a quality modern four to have a path to championship contention (Gay makes sense, but isn't good enough).

As usual, the Raptors are probably going to get lucky. Hopefully the Heat draw the line at Dragic, Achuiwa, Okpala.



Honestly wouldn't mind doing a S&T with the Clippers for some combination of Morris/Ibaka/Zubac and then just trying to poach Batum with being able to offer more money.

The Clippers offer would probably be Kennard and Beverley. It'd be incumbent on them to find a third team to take Beverley (possibly Pistons into cap space for top 55 protected 2nd).

[ace3g]

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Los Angeles Clippers star Kawhi Leonard is expected to decline his $36 million player option to become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

[ace3g]

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Phoenix Suns’ Chris Paul is declining his $44.2 million player option for the 2021-22 season and becoming an unrestricted free agent, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[ace3g]

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The Memphis Grizzlies have declined Justise Winslow's $13 million team option for next season, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[lefty20]

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Los Angeles Clippers star Kawhi Leonard is expected to decline his $36 million player option to become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

Uncle Dennis & Nephew about to pull of the greatest heist ever on Ballmer in broad daylight.

[K...]

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Los Angeles Clippers star Kawhi Leonard is expected to decline his $36 million player option to become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

is he joining the special olympic team?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421951351408504832

This dude is not maximizing his earnings at all. What is he doing?

[lmbebo]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421951351408504832

This dude is not maximizing his earnings at all. What is he doing?


Maybe he's going to Knicks for a medical staff that understands his *feelings*

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421951351408504832

This dude is not maximizing his earnings at all. What is he doing?

He's leaving if that's true...

[Cardinal]

I wonder if Kawhi's camp has concerns about his recovery from his current injury and the kind of player he'll be in a year. If there is a decent chance that he opts in and it becomes clear he's not worth a max extension, then maybe it is preferable to lock a new, but less lucrative, four year deal now.

[Prime BEEF]

I wonder if Kawhi's camp has concerns about his recovery from his current injury and the kind of player he'll be in a year. If there is a decent chance that he opts in and it becomes clear he's not worth a max extension, then maybe it is preferable to lock a new, but less lucrative, four year deal now.
This. He’s going to fleece some stupid franchise. My bet is on New York

[duncan2150]

I wonder if Kawhi's camp has concerns about his recovery from his current injury and the kind of player he'll be in a year. If there is a decent chance that he opts in and it becomes clear he's not worth a max extension, then maybe it is preferable to lock a new, but less lucrative, four year deal now.

I think so, same with Paul but for other reasons. They can securize a better and longer contract now.

[Seventyniner]

This dude is not maximizing his earnings at all. What is he doing?

It could be a tacit acknowledgement of being damaged goods at this point. What are the chances he can actually produce at an All-NBA level for all 4 years of the contract?

[poopbox]

Ballmer is going to pay the 4 year max for Kawhi because what else is he going to do ?

[spurspl]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421951351408504832

This dude is not maximizing his earnings at all. What is he doing?

probably gonna sign 1yr contract and then, in 2022, sign 5yrs max

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/HoustonChron/status/1421948511747182597?s=20

I haven't read much about D.J as a person (his last twitter post seems a little concerning though), but the physical tools and profile intrigue.
I mentioned him earlier being a possible Trey Lyles-sy signing, reclamation project, hopefully with a better outcome.

[ace3g]

Along with their interest in Patty, it's going to cost them; Brown and Tatum.

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[duncan2150]

Along with their interest in Patty, it's going to cost them; Brown and Tatum.

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New: Per sources, the Celtics will have interest in veterans Jeff Green and Rudy Gay, among others, as free agency opens Monday. More: bostonglobe.com/2021/08/01/spo… (https://t.co/8gLbYh4lL1)


We could add this too

Barry Jackson: Another of those SFs-who-can-play-PF UFA names to keep an eye on: Rudy Gay (11.4 ppg, 4.1 rbs, 38.1 on threes last yr). Heat has interest, per source.(One of several PFs on Miami’s list.) Miami will need to find 2 PFs if Precious included in Lowry trade.Could bring back Ariza too (https://hoopshype.com/social/)

1 day ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1542828/) – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel)
(https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1542828/)

With Westbrook now headed to Los Angeles, multiple league personnel contacted by B/R expect there to be significant interest from several veterans, including DeMar DeRozan, Rudy Gay and Carmelo Anthony, to forgo higher salary opportunities elsewhere and join the Lakers (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946614-sources-free-agency-spotlight-on-cp3-the-lowry-domino-emerging-pg-carousel) in pursuit of a championship

[slick'81]

So gay/mills,and demar auditioning for a ring ? Spurs better get something for one of those guys

[CGD]

So who’s played out the Miami S&T scenario?

[Degoat]

So who’s played out the Miami S&T scenario?

Could both teams sign & trade Demar for Duncan Robinson? Both are considered free agents, I wouldn’t mind if the spurs said screw it and signed all the shooters they can get

[BackHome]

So gay/mills,and demar auditioning for a ring ? Spurs better get something for one of those guys

I am right there with you if Spurs front office comes out with nothing from LMA, Rudy, Mills, and Derozz then they definitely need to be fired!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[4lifecowboy]

Only thing that makes sense at this point is Lowry signing with the Mavs, Spurs sign and trading Derozan for Portzingis IMO

[tonight...you]

Only thing that makes sense at this point is Lowry signing with the Mavs, Spurs sign and trading Derozan for Portzingis IMO
That would be... interesting.

[Atl Spur]

Only thing that makes sense at this point is Lowry signing with the Mavs, Spurs sign and trading Derozan for Portzingis IMO

Interesting........

[CGD]

Could both teams sign & trade Demar for Duncan Robinson? Both are considered free agents, I wouldn’t mind if the spurs said screw it and signed all the shooters they can get

The Lowery to MIA S&T seems baked now that they picked up Drogen’s option. I assume then they’re hoping DeRozen takes the full MLE which I think is just shy of $10M. Seems very possible, i which case we lose him for nada.

Oh well.

[tbdog]

Portz salary is pretty crazy. A few million more per year than Collins.

[BacktoBasics]

There is little chance that the Mavs would see DDR as a better fit than Portzingis. I can see them adding DDR in place of someone else on their roster but I’d bet there are better options than swapping those two players.

[CGD]

Only thing that makes sense at this point is Lowry signing with the Mavs, Spurs sign and trading Derozan for Portzingis IMO

F that. If that’s the route, have them sign DDR and work out the S&T with raptors instead

[Teamduncan21]

There's really not that much good free agents or even trade pieces available.

If there's no good trades might as well maintain flexibility to next year, or get some picks from bad players

[slick'81]

There's really not that much good free agents or even trade pieces available.



If there's no good trades might as well maintain flexibility to next year, or get some picks from bad players


something tells me we will be saying this for a while

[Chomag]

:sleep

[Degoat]

So I’ve always been some what confused by this but the spurs do have to use some of their cap space they have right? They couldn’t just be like ehhh we’re not gonna sign anybody, they would have to at least do like 1 year deals at least

[ace3g]

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ESPN Sources: Once discussions are permitted to begin with the opening of NBA free agency on Monday, the Miami Heat are positioning themselves to become frontrunners to land Toronto's Kyle Lowry in a sign-and-trade agreement: es.pn/3ymcPtm (https://t.co/hkJnpaAmYH)

[Teamduncan21]

So I’ve always been some what confused by this but the spurs do have to use some of their cap space they have right? They couldn’t just be like ehhh we’re not gonna sign anybody, they would have to at least do like 1 year deals at least

I think they would still have to pay the space to the players. I don't get the whole logistics behind it. But I'm imagining dejounte Murray and white to just get more money or something.

[Eaglenole2002]

I don’t think a Lowry signing is going to work out very well. He seems like a candidate to fall off a cliff soon.

[slick'81]

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ESPN Sources: Once discussions are permitted to begin with the opening of NBA free agency on Monday, the Miami Heat are positioning themselves to become frontrunners to land Toronto's Kyle Lowry in a sign-and-trade agreement: es.pn/3ymcPtm (https://t.co/hkJnpaAmYH)

Come on sa! if tor can get something for kyle you can do it for ddr!

[Teamduncan21]

something tells me we will be saying this for a while

unfortunately. but the packages arent really that enticing, a mix of lauri, kristaps, oubre, duncan robinson, and kuzma is pretty meh. Of course we can start building this year, add some more next year until we become a more competitive team.

But it seems the choices that we have are pretty meh. Just dont want to tie up big money (like kristaps) to be not playoff.

[toki9]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421951351408504832

This dude is not maximizing his earnings at all. What is he doing?

Perhaps what he wants is a 1+1, followed by a 5 year max at $235 ( https://mobile.twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421949221935190018 ; 213hoops has that 5 year contract at $250M, so not sure who's right. https://213hoops.com/kawhi-leonard-declines-player-option-enters-free-agency/ ). Good luck to Ballmer if he agrees to that kind of arrangement. On the other hand, the NBA should be on a new TV contract by the time that contract nears the end, so it may look like a pocket change at that point.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Honestly, just meet the minimum salary. Our only goals are to play our young guys a lot and get a top 5 pick next draft. We don't need to sign anyone that won't be a major piece in 3 years to any sort of long-term deal or large contract. At this point, just run Poeltl and Eubanks all year. Who cares? We are tanking.

[Teamduncan21]

Perhaps what he wants is a 1+1, followed by a 5 year max at $235 ( https://mobile.twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421949221935190018 ). Good luck to Ballmer if he agrees to that kind of arrangement. On the other hand, the NBA should be on a new TV contract by the time that contract nears the end, so it may look like a pocket change at that point.

would be funny if he gets the 1+1, but not the 5 year contract because he cant really play anymore

[toki9]

would be funny if he gets the 1+1, but not the 5 year contract because he cant really play anymore

Yes, but life isn't fair so he'll probably get everything he wants.

[Degoat]

It’s actually a good thing if Lowry comes off the board quickly once free agency starts more teams will be targeting Demar if that happens, probably why the mavs have been linked to him

[Dejounte]

I don’t see how the Clippers can top last season unless they make a major move to give Kawhi and George more help.

[lmbebo]

report that Dragic may be traded to Dallas to make room for Lowry?

[Seventyniner]

I don’t see how the Clippers can top last season unless they make a major move to give Kawhi and George more help.

Number Two staying healthy would ostensibly let them outdo last season. His health can't be taken for granted at all at this point, though.

[stephen jackson]

Just sign oubre and move on

[Degoat]

Just curious… I personally wouldn’t do it but anyone think Vicotor Oladipo might be a decent reclamation project?

[SAGirl]

Just curious… I personally wouldn’t do it but anyone think Vicotor Oladipo might be a decent reclamation project?
I don’t know. Honestly he’s been getting injury after injury and hasn’t been the same from his breakout season at Indiana. I used to like him a lot but I haven’t watched him in 2 years.

He could be worth a look on make good deal but I don’t think the Spurs as a good fit for him, and vice versa.

Spurs are very guard heavy, needing to develop and in all likelihood (save unexpected injuries to other teams or someone making a surprising leap) out of the playoffs. He won’t raise his stats here, and for the Spurs what would they be looking for with him? I don’t see it.

Id say pass.

[MoSpur02]

Murray just tweeted another cryptic tweet saying, “ First They Love You Then They Hate You Then They Love You Again………….��.” This guy is such a diva at times.

[slick'81]

Murray just tweeted another cryptic tweet saying, “ First They Love You Then They Hate You Then They Love You Again………….��.” This guy is such a diva at times.


Who cares!? Atleast they love him again:lol Probably some piece of ass hes banging. As long as he works on his threeball im good

[Degoat]

Murray just tweeted another cryptic tweet saying, “ First They Love You Then They Hate You Then They Love You Again………….��.” This guy is such a diva at times.

I could go without the diva attitude but I think that one probably is more directed to a chick but who knows for sure lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Perhaps what he wants is a 1+1, followed by a 5 year max at $235 ( https://mobile.twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1421949221935190018 ; 213hoops has that 5 year contract at $250M, so not sure who's right. https://213hoops.com/kawhi-leonard-declines-player-option-enters-free-agency/ ). Good luck to Ballmer if he agrees to that kind of arrangement. On the other hand, the NBA should be on a new TV contract by the time that contract nears the end, so it may look like a pocket change at that point.


would be funny if he gets the 1+1, but not the 5 year contract because he cant really play anymore

Yeah I'm not sure what Bobby Marks means by claiming the smart thing would be to opt in. The smart thing has always been opting out, signing a 1+1, then signing a max next summer with full bird rights. He'll likely sign both of these deals before he plays a single minute of basketball too.

[R. DeMurre]

Murray just tweeted another cryptic tweet saying, “ First They Love You Then They Hate You Then They Love You Again………….��.” This guy is such a diva at times.

He has since deleted this one too.

[Eaglenole2002]

Per Hollinger…
The Spurs also have a ton of cap room and are going to be a player in this market one way or another, but as typical with San Antonio, nobody has heard much. The most prominent target I’ve heard thus far is … Daniel Theis? Yes, really.

[4lifecowboy]

Per Hollinger…
The Spurs also have a ton of cap room and are going to be a player in this market one way or another, but as typical with San Antonio, nobody has heard much. The most prominent target I’ve heard thus far is … Daniel Theis? Yes, really.

That is a good start, still would need an offensive front court signing

[4lifecowboy]

Per Hollinger…
The Spurs also have a ton of cap room and are going to be a player in this market one way or another, but as typical with San Antonio, nobody has heard much. The most prominent target I’ve heard thus far is … Daniel Theis? Yes, really.

That is a good start, still would need an offensive front court signing

[Dejounte]

Sources say DeMar DeRozan (https://theathletic.com/player/nba/spurs/demar-derozan/) had serious interest in finding a way to play for his hometown Lakers via sign-and-trade with San Antonio, but the Westbrook move ended that possibility and it remains very possible that he returns to the Spurs (https://theathletic.com/team/spurs/).

Per the athletic

[tbdog]

What Theis game like?

[jjspur]

I see the spurs off season much like DeRozen's off season. I'm sure DeRozen would have loved to go to the Lakers for his 25 plus million dollar salary. but the Lakers chose Russ. So if you want to be a Laker its a huge huge cut in salary. Sorry DeMarr. So maybe its Miami, probably another cut in salary or NY another cut in salary because now they have a gm that knows what he is doing and can afford to wait a little bit to improve their team. After all its NY ! Surprise, DeRozen has just found out that he's not that big of an NBA star any more.
SA is in the same boat as DeRozen. Free agents don't rush to come here, they typically look somewhere else first. There isn't a big 3 to help win a championship any more or a big 2 or a big 1 for that matter. So the second, third or fourth tier players come here and we make do with what we have or can sign, until we develop a star or manage to somehow trade for one. That's who we are now.
The best thing to do now is to not kid ourselves and admit where we are now. We need to draft well, not half ass and since we have the money, take a chance on a somewhat high profile player. It may not right the ship right away but its a path to something truly better in a year or two. At least its a direction.
As for DeRozen work with the spurs on a sign and trade to get a decent contract somewhere else, prove to yourself and other teams that you're not a 3rd banana. Secure your last good contract and ride off into the sunset.

[tbdog]

Sources say DeMar DeRozan (https://theathletic.com/player/nba/spurs/demar-derozan/) had serious interest in finding a way to play for his hometown Lakers via sign-and-trade with San Antonio, but the Westbrook move ended that possibility and it remains very possible that he returns to the Spurs (https://theathletic.com/team/spurs/).

Per the athletic

Alot of people are gonna moan about this but resigning DDR makes sense to secure an asset. Of course it comes to price. But it'll be nice if the Spurs just put the right players around them and finding a starting 4 should be the priority.

[RC_Drunkford]

Theis is actually a good option as a back up big cause he can shoot 3s. I wouldn’t be mad if they sign him to reasonable deal

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If they aren't keeping Dieng then Theis would be alright. Just don't overpay if possible. 3/15 or so.

[NASpurs]

Sources say DeMar DeRozan (https://theathletic.com/player/nba/spurs/demar-derozan/) had serious interest in finding a way to play for his hometown Lakers via sign-and-trade with San Antonio, but the Westbrook move ended that possibility and it remains very possible that he returns to the Spurs (https://theathletic.com/team/spurs/).

Per the athletic

:lmao that last sentence, I know it’s going to happen

[EasyMoney]

Spurs and suns interested in bringing (back) dieng

[Teamduncan21]

spurs cant playoff with derozan, and will not have space to max collins or sign a decent piece if we pay derozan. Might as well not have derozan and miss playoff just the same

[Dejounte]

If Derozan comes back, will he be the longest tenured player of being hated by the teams fanbase?

[Teamduncan21]

not speaking for others, but i dont hate him. Its kawhi's fault, its not his fault. he is just as much of a collateral damage

[CGD]

One of the aggregators mentioned Detroit as another possibility?

[Degoat]

I’ve been one of the biggest Demar supporters here but it’s time to move on lol

[exstatic]

I disagree.......Duncan Robinson is a sniper!

Duncan Robinson is a value at his current cost, not so much at 8 figures per year. He’s just a 6’9” Forbes. Like Bryn, he literally does nothing else, and sucks ass on defense.

They had a chance to draft a 6’9” guy with a 50/43/93 shooting line and elite help defense, and passed. I don’t think they’ll be interested in the homeless man’s version

[NASpurs]

1422197121046953986

[DPG21920]

Alot of people are gonna moan about this but resigning DDR makes sense to secure an asset. Of course it comes to price. But it'll be nice if the Spurs just put the right players around them and finding a starting 4 should be the priority.

He’s not an asset if SA couldn’t trade him while under contract and then no one wanted him when he was a FA. That’s the definition of an anchor at that point.

[Dex]

If Derozan comes back, will he be the longest tenured player of being hated by the teams fanbase?

I think "hate" is a bit of a harsh word for DeRozan. At this point, he just is what he is. There should be no expectation that is ever going to change significantly (although I'm gonna be pissed if he goes somewhere else and starts chucking up threes)

By all accounts, he made the most of a situation not of his choosing. He came to San Antonio and played like a professional, fulfilled his contract, and did his best to win with a limited roster. Like DPG21920, the fact that he wasn't traded despite rumors could be as much of an indictment on him as it is the Spurs...it takes two partners to make a deal, and they definitely should not have taken negative value just for the sake of moving him.

The problem is that he is too good and too competitive to really let the the Spurs go iton rebuilding mode, but not good enough on his own to get us over the hump (or even into the playoffs, apparently). With him, we would likely just be stuck picking in the 10-15 range again.

I'd rather let him go compete somewhere, and the Spurs can choose a new direction...whether that means tank or re-tool, it's time for this experiment to be over.

[EasyMoney]

1422197121046953986


He's not turning down that much money. A sign and trade will likely happen of he wants to reunite with lowry and with his boy Jimmy.

[CGD]

He's not turning down that much money. A sign and trade will likely happen of he wants to reunite with lowry and with his boy Jimmy.

I don’t know. I can def see him doing a 1+1 starting at full MLE (~$10M), and getting a wink wink with MIA to make him whole next year. They have a track record of doing that.

The difference with Lakers MLE offer, is, as I understand it, it is for a much smaller amount bc they’re “tax payers.”

[pad300]

Duncan Robinson is a value at his current cost, not so much at 8 figures per year. He’s just a 6’9” Forbes. Like Bryn, he literally does nothing else, and sucks ass on defense.

They had a chance to draft a 6’9” guy with a 50/43/93 shooting line and elite help defense, and passed. I don’t think they’ll be interested in the homeless man’s version

They did draft a 6'7" version of Forbes (with much better wingspan and atheleticism)...

[pad300]

He’s not an asset if SA couldn’t trade him while under contract and then no one wanted him when he was a FA. That’s the definition of an anchor at that point.

I don't mind DDR back on the right deal (for us). I just don't think he's going to sign something like $15-17M/annually until his other options are exhausted...

[pad300]

If they aren't keeping Dieng then Theis would be alright. Just don't overpay if possible. 3/15 or so.

Personally, I'd rather pay Dieng than Theiss; he's a better player. Neither of them are long-term keepers for skill... and Dieng seems a good personality fit.

[cd98]

DDR is still a great player. But the problem is that he would be a great 2 or 3 best player on a team, not a 1. He is great for the Spurs if you want to make a push to make the playoffs, even though that effort has failed two years in a row. But he has kept us right there on the verge of the 8th seed. But this is not a team that is like the Suns, where we had a great team and we were maturing into a competitive playoff team. This is a team that is in desperate need of a rebuild. DDR just delays that another year, especially because next year is also supposed to be a strong draft. All we hear about is the Spurs trying to trade down, well guess what, you aren't trading down into the top 5. Teams rarely trade those picks and we don't have anything to give to get a top 5 pick. So they only way to try the lottery odds are to bottom out. I'm not a DDR hater. I think he is a quality player that does a lot of good things, but at his age, he should be playing for a team that will make the playoffs and has a shot of contending, not a team that is so young and unproven that it will take probably 2 or 3 years before they are ready to be in the position Phoenix was in to start last season.

[SAGirl]

https://youtu.be/aklfFTpmoDk
That is straight up terrifying. He's basically big man version of Bryn Forbes but actually a worse shooter.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't want DeRozan back at all. The problem with him is that if you replace him with a 3-and-D guy you'll most likely come out with the same result. If that 3-and-D player gives up 8 points less per game than DeRozan and scores 12 points you have DeRozan's 20 PPG plus better spacing. Makes no sense to pay the guy that money. We would win the same amount of games with Danny Green playing SF

[lmbebo]

Chatter of DDR going Heat for full MLE (9-10 mil) on twitter. I'm sure we will hear a lot more today before 6 pm EST.

[LeBowen]

I don't want DeRozan back at all. The problem with him is that if you replace him with a 3-and-D guy you'll most likely come out with the same result. If that 3-and-D player gives up 8 points less per game than DeRozan and scores 12 points you have DeRozan's 20 PPG plus better spacing. Makes no sense to pay the guy that money. We would win the same amount of games with Danny Green playing SF

If he actually stays, I'm done.
This needs to be a season where we find out if DJ, Derrick and Lonnie can actually make the next step.
We saw our ceiling with Demar, first round sweep at best.

Him leaving is a win-win situation. Either the young guys finally improve or we get a top10 pick. 8th-10th seed purgatory year in and year out is the worst thing that can happen to any team.

Patty also needs to go. Not because he can't be useful, but because we already have too many guards and Pop still thinks it's better for Patty to just keep chucking while Lonnie sits in the corner.

Signing Markkanen would be the final proof that PATFO has completely lost it.
He's disgustingly bad.

[Mnky]

Alot of people are gonna moan about this but resigning DDR makes sense to secure an asset. Of course it comes to price. But it'll be nice if the Spurs just put the right players around them and finding a starting 4 should be the priority.

I feel the same way If nothing materializes, however how great have the spurs been at dealing assets lately? Might just end up prolonging other players development more while securing very little. This front office needs a businessman running the trades.

[RC_Drunkford]

If he actually stays, I'm done.
This needs to be a season where we find out if DJ, Derrick and Lonnie can actually make the next step.
We saw our ceiling with Demar, first round sweep at best.

Him leaving is a win-win situation. Either the young guys finally improve or we get a top10 pick. 8th-10th seed purgatory year in and year out is the worst thing that can happen to any team.

Patty also needs to go. Not because he can't be useful, but because we already have too many guards and Pop still thinks it's better for Patty to just keep chucking while Lonnie sits in the corner.

Signing Markkanen would be the final proof that PATFO has completely lost it.
He's disgustingly bad.

I'm with you on that. Give all the shots to Walker. Everytime DeRozan didn't play Walker scored 20 with ease. Like I said best case scenario is they can get Collins and get somebody like Myles Turner, Siakam or Simmons in a trade

[MoSpur02]

He has since deleted this one too.

Figures

[RC_Drunkford]

Gorgui Dieng has generated interest from the Suns and Spurs at around the biannual exception amount of $3.7 million.

[cd98]

Gorgui Dieng has generated interest from the Suns and Spurs at around the biannual exception amount of $3.7 million.



Hmm lottery bound team or team that made it to the finals?

[Dennis the Menace]

Myles Turner, Siakam, Porzingis, or John Collins. Find a way

[R. DeMurre]

I think the single best thing the Spurs can do this off season is to not re-sign DeRozan. I wish him the best, be it in L.A., Miami, or anywhere else. He's a good guy who just doesn't fit the timeline or the rebuild. The Spurs aren't in the hunt for a title any time soon, so the only thing that should matter is building & developing for the future. If DeRozan comes back, that will be a big chunk of usage rate, minutes, and experience taken away from the young guys who are ostensibly the future. I think it'd be really difficult, after characterizing the drafting of Primo as a Spurs are playing chess while other teams are playing checkers moment, to then turn around and defend bringing back DeRozan, which to me would look like a Spurs are playing checkers while other teams play chess moment.

[SAGirl]

Didn’t Zach Collins re-fracture his foot last month? It is doubtful he will be signed by anyone until he passes a physical.
This. He's a very interesting player. I loved this recap: https://www.blazersedge.com/2021/7/9/22569595/zach-collins-video-injury-news-stats-portland-trail-blazers, of what he's been for the Blazers when healthy. It's unfortunate for him that he got injured because he would have gotten paid otherwise.
He's had injuries after injuries and 3 ankle surgeries past yeat? The Blazers have moved on from him. I think there's a bigger chance he doesn't play next season than otherwise that's why I would pass.

[Kurik]

Gorgui Dieng has generated interest from the Suns and Spurs at around the biannual exception amount of $3.7 million.



I actually thought Dieng would be getting offers a little higher than that.

[Ocotillo]

I'm with you on that. Give all the shots to Walker. Everytime DeRozan didn't play Walker scored 20 with ease. Like I said best case scenario is they can get Collins and get somebody like Myles Turner, Siakam or Simmons in a trade With the number of guards on the team, if Lonnie were to become a scorer like you are alluding to, his trade value would go up and maybe could fetch something more than he would now. I know that sounds counterintuitive but if you have White, Devin and maybe even Primo able to play the two, something has to give and maybe it is using one of them for a real small forward or 4.

[slick'81]

Lakers favorites to land gay. Also after fifty mills for the minimum

[RC_Drunkford]

Apparently there’s mutual interest between DeRozan and the Knicks. I told y’all the Knicks would be after him.

[slick'81]

Apparently there’s mutual interest between DeRozan and the Knicks. I told y’all the Knicks would be after him.


Lets go ny!

[Excessive Egotist]

Today reminds me of '19 when the big news just after free agency broke was the return of Marco Belinelli to the Spurs. I'd actually be happy with that tonight IF it meant the Spurs picked a plan to keep their powder dry in order to absorb a max player later this season or next summer. That is at least a concrete and admirable direction.... The Simmons asking price is going to fall between now and camp. Several teams are going to spend all their money and lock guys into non-tradable contracts until December. Other players will come on the market...

Picking up two late first round picks (through sign and trades) would be very useful if we need to cobble together, say, three future firsts to absorb a max contract. But it seems like the Spurs don't even attempt to operate with this mindset.

The last few years the Spurs are a B+ on drafting and talent development (Samanic TBD, Primo TBD), a B+ on cap management (Pau Gasol deal is still cringeworthy, but in the distant rear view), and a definite D on asset management. A top 15 front office, but not a top 5 front office.

The asset management piece requires contextualization---the front office is blocked by trying to remain competitive for Pop. But this is a critical offseason. The FO needs to make good moves. It can't fail another transaction season on the asset management front. A legacy of excellence only provides so much cover for an unexpected period of floundering.

[slick'81]

Bring back gorgui!

[Degoat]

It’s the same teams getting linked to everybody, maybe wishful thinking but I think the spurs have a sign & traded lined up with Demar for some team not being mentioned

[slick'81]

It’s the same teams getting linked to everybody, maybe wishful thinking but I think the spurs have a sign & traded lined up with Demar for some team not being mentioned


We all hope so

[The Truth #6]

Gay and DDR gone, Dieng back might be it.

[Degoat]

Just connecting dots here but the report saying Dallas is out of the Demar sweepstakes would mean he’s off the table to another team so there’s that I guess lol

[lmbebo]

Plan B gone?

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1422283425004892173?s=21

[slick'81]

Plan B gone?

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1422283425004892173?s=21


God yes,please no lauri

[Degoat]

Its a matter of time before Zion wants out, they go from targeting Lowry to Devonte Graham lol

[Excessive Egotist]

Plan B gone?

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1422283425004892173?s=21


I'm fine with this. I was afraid Spurs would overpay for a 9th man. I'd rather see Samanic get PT and the Spurs keep their long term cap clean for someone who could be...better than Lauri.

[duncan2150]

Plan B gone?

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1422283425004892173?s=21

That's basically three fa's going on cap space teams.
If He prefer Charlotte than us yes but he needs to agree.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I wouldn’t mind dieng back. He didn’t really get a lot of time to gel with the team last year. Plus he really looked saddled by that shoulder injury he got. From what I saw he’ could guard the perimeter somewhat and affect shots around the rim, his shooting will be there once he gets more comfortable with his teammates.

[MoSpur02]

Brian Windhorst just stated on ESPN the Jump that the Bulls are interested in possibly doing a S&T with the Spurs for Lauri.

[Thomas82]

Spurs hold all the cards here, if only I had any confidence in Brian Wright...

Young players with decent trade value on reasonable contracts .
Veterans wanted by contenders, easy to make S&T deals.
A ton of cap space to take bad contracts.

A good GM would accelerate our timeline by a couple of years this summer.

But as per usual, it'll be we like what we have. :pop:

Sad, but true!!

[slick'81]

Brian Windhorst just stated on ESPN the Jump that the Bulls are interested in possibly doing a S&T with the Spurs for Lauri.


:lol Dear god no

[duncan2150]

Brian Windhorst just stated on ESPN the Jump that the Bulls are interested in possibly doing a S&T with the Spurs for Lauri.

Heard it too

[slick'81]

Heard it too

What would be give up for him? So fans want us to not s&t for derozan but will give up something for lauri:lol

[exstatic]

He's not turning down that much money. A sign and trade will likely happen of he wants to reunite with lowry and with his boy Jimmy.

Just as he doesn’t have to do any S&T he doesn’t want, neither do the Spurs. If the Spurs have a target in mind, like John Collins, they’ll HAVE to renounce DDR and his $40M cap hold, and that’ll be the end of the S&T.

[YoungbuckMurray]

I would do Lauri and a 1st for Demar in a S&T. At least Lauri can shoot and space the floor + the 1st could get us a nice future piece

[cd98]

Brian Windhorst just stated on ESPN the Jump that the Bulls are interested in possibly doing a S&T with the Spurs for Lauri.

It's funny because no matter how you slice it, DDR is the better player in that trade. Now if they want to give a draft pick...

[slick'81]

It's funny because no matter how you slice it, DDR is the better player in that trade. Now if they want to give a draft pick...

Thats different but where does it say demar to chicago?

[MoSpur02]

Windhorst also said the Heat wanted to do a S&T with the Spurs for DeRozan that would’ve sent Iggy back. Hell nah! Spurs supposedly rejected that offer telling them had a better S&T offer on the table.

[slick'81]

Windhorst also said the Heat wanted to do a S&T with the Spurs for DeRozan that would’ve sent Iggy back. Hell nah! Spurs supposedly rejected that offer telling them had a better S&T offer on the table.


Its happening!

[YoungbuckMurray]

Windhorst also said the Heat wanted to do a S&T with the Spurs for DeRozan that would’ve sent Iggy back. Hell nah! Spurs supposedly rejected that offer telling them had a better S&T offer on the table.

I can’t see any way that it would have been just Iggy. There had to be better assets attached to that as Iggy imo is a negative asset. But glad to hear there is a better offer out there. Really hoping a good young player is involved or a solid fit like Lauri + a 1st round pick

[pad300]

Just as he doesn’t have to do any S&T he doesn’t want, neither do the Spurs. If the Spurs have a target in mind, like John Collins, they’ll HAVE to renounce DDR and his $40M cap hold, and that’ll be the end of the S&T.

I don't think the italicized is right. Giving up his cap hold means abandoning our right to match an offer he receives, not our Bird Rights to pay him more than the room we have left over (we did this once with Ginobili for example, give up our matching rights and then gave him a big contract with Bird Rights). We could still S&T him to a team that is limited to say the MLE, for more than the MLE...

[Dejounte]

Whenever this site loads slow, it makes me think a big trade or signing just happened :lmao

[cd98]

Windhorst also said the Heat wanted to do a S&T with the Spurs for DeRozan that would’ve sent Iggy back. Hell nah! Spurs supposedly rejected that offer telling them had a better S&T offer on the table.

I can see why Miami would like this trade. But what good is Iggy at this point in his career on a team in tank mode? I hope they were talking about throwing in other assets because the Spurs have no reason to make that trade unless they get a thrill out of making Miami more competitive at their expense.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think opposing front offices know by now they can fleece the Spurs. They just don't seem to get any good offers ever :lol

[Mugen]

I think opposing front offices know by now they can fleece the Spurs. They just don't seem to get any good offers ever :lol

This tbh :lol

There's no other team I trust less when it comes to making a good trade than this clown regime.

[exstatic]

I don't think the italicized is right. Giving up his cap hold means abandoning our right to match an offer he receives, not our Bird Rights to pay him more than the room we have left over (we did this once with Ginobili for example, give up our matching rights and then gave him a big contract with Bird Rights). We could still S&T him to a team that is limited to say the MLE, for more than the MLE...

We’ll have to disagree. When you renounce, you lose the Bird rights. The only thing you can do with the player at that point is to sign him into cap room, like any other player, because that is what he is: any NBA player. Your scenario basically shits all over the concept of a cap hold.

[EasyMoney]

Demar reportedly interested in new York now.

[exstatic]

Demar reportedly interested in new York now.

Good. Go fuck up their spacing.

[mo7888]

We’ll have to disagree. When you renounce, you lose the Bird rights. The only thing you can do with the player at that point is to sign him into cap room, like any other player, because that is what he is: any NBA player. Your scenario basically shits all over the concept of a cap hold.

Basically, you can still S&T him but you can't go over your cap space to do it.. So if we have $48M in cap space, sign Collins to $28M/yr and renounce DDR, then we can only S&T DDR for $20M or less.....that's my understanding of the rules...

[slick'81]

Rj barrett must be thrilled derozan could be coming in :lol

[cjw]

Basically, you can still S&T him but you can't go over your cap space to do it.. So if we have $48M in cap space, sign Collins to $28M/yr and renounce DDR, then we can only S&T DDR for $20M or less.....that's my understanding of the rules...

Right, and you’re renouncing Mills/Gay too in that scenario

[mo7888]

Right, and you’re renouncing Mills/Gay too in that scenario

Correct...and Lyles..

[MoSpur02]

What about Lauri and Thaddeus Young for DeMar?

[cd98]

What about Lauri and Thaddeus Young for DeMar?

Young isn't on the Spurs timetable.

[MoSpur02]

Per Shams, Atlanta and Collins AREN’T close to an agreement

[Sugus]

Per Shams, Atlanta and Collins AREN’T close to an agreement

Throw him a max PATFO, I dare you..... :stirpot:

[Sugus]

By the way, how much time is it until the floodgates open, and FAs can be signed? It's gotta be hours at this point, right?

[Leetonidas]

By the way, how much time is it until the floodgates open, and FAs can be signed? It's gotta be hours at this point, right?

They can't sign until Friday but they can begin agreeing on deals in 15 mins