The Penthouse Of Josh Primo

[Atl Spur]

Miss Cleo tell us again of the future

This will be epic! I might make you cry��������.

[Atl Spur]

Miss Cleo tell us again of the future

This will be epic! I might make you cry😂😂😂😂.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Excellent cut and pasting. Not even providing the source.

Compare your heights to the official heights listed on NBA.com based on measurements provided by team doctors.

https://www.nba.com/spurs/roster


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1059631

Vassell is not 6’7
1) https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1541137389237714944
2) https://twitter.com/projectspurs/status/1442498566149140484
3) https://www.tankathon.com/players/devin-vassell

Primo was 6'4" at the combine.
12 months have passed since that moment, and it's enough just to open your eyes to see the difference.

[KingKev]

1) https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1541137389237714944
2) https://twitter.com/projectspurs/status/1442498566149140484
3) https://www.tankathon.com/players/devin-vassell

Primo was 6'4" at the combine.
12 months have passed since that moment, and it's enough just to open your eyes to see the difference.

Thanks for sourcing your unofficial heights. Let’s see if come October the official heights are upgraded. 30yr old Doug McDermott grew an inch over 12 months also… interesting.

[spurraider21]

lol those primo highlight videos are mostly him shooting 3's when actually he was a 30% three point shooter on the year

[John B]

I think Primo’s game will be the indicator whether DJ gets moved by trade deadline. I’m getting the vibes that FO might be gauging DJ as someone who will jump ship when opportunity comes. Unlike the Big 3, I think DJ is more of focused on his stardom, getting the MIP, steals leader, AS nod. I’m not faulting that, but it’s a distraction sometimes with his twitter-happy fingers, not very Spursy. And maybe showing his frustration as being impatient, selfish in a way. Just imo.

[KingKev]

I think Primo’s game will be the indicator whether DJ gets moved by trade deadline. I’m getting the vibes that FO might be gauging DJ as someone who will jump ship when opportunity comes. Unlike the Big 3, I think DJ is more of focused on his stardom, getting the MIP, steals leader, AS nod. I’m not faulting that, but it’s a distraction sometimes with his twitter-happy fingers, not very Spursy. And maybe showing his frustration as being impatient, selfish in a way. Just imo.

You have traditionally shown a terrible feel for stuff like this so I find this post comforting.

[Ariel]

1) https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1541137389237714944
2) https://twitter.com/projectspurs/status/1442498566149140484
3) https://www.tankathon.com/players/devin-vassell

Primo was 6'4" at the combine.
12 months have passed since that moment, and it's enough just to open your eyes to see the difference.
Those must be with shoes, and not even good ones at that. As reference, take the nba draft combine measurements, those are pretty much the only reliable listings out there: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/
Wesley and Branham are 6'3" and 6'4" respectively, Sochan was not listed, but best guesstimate is about 6'8" (speculating on my part). Last year, Primo measured at 6'4". The year before Vassell wasn't measured. In 2019 Keldon Johnson measured at 6' 4.75"... you get the picture... other than KJ, the rest are average / above average at their positions.

[Atl Spur]

Primos taller than 6”4

[slick'81]

Primos taller than 6”4https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authoring/2016/07/26/NFTU/ghows-LK-ca412edf-2c3f-4dc3-ab2b-97bc93c29a89-f8d015db.jpeg?width=425&height=238&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

[KingKev]

Primos taller than 6”4

Live from Bankhead… ATL’s very own Miss Cleo!!!!

[Atl Spur]

Live from Bankhead… ATL’s very own Miss Cleo!!!!

Bankhead? Lol. Names been changed…..wise up.

[Atl Spur]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authoring/2016/07/26/NFTU/ghows-LK-ca412edf-2c3f-4dc3-ab2b-97bc93c29a89-f8d015db.jpeg?width=425&height=238&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

Don’t let’em get you slick……

[slick'81]

Don’t let’em get you slick……

im trying to resist atl:hat i really am

[Atl Spur]

im trying to resist atl:hat i really am

:)

[KingKev]

Live from Bankhead… ATL’s very own Miss Cleo!!!!

haha all in good fun homie but if you really can see into the future tell PATFO trading DJ better bring back a serious haul.

[tonight...you]

You have traditionally shown a terrible feel for stuff like this so I find this post comforting.
If DJM gets traded like the rumors are swirling, big If and I don't think he will, BUT if he indeed does get traded and you believe timvp when he says this team truly believes and is excited with Primo at the PG position...
Does that open the door for the guy you have low expectations with?
Or is Tre Jones and who-knows manning the point?

[CGD]

Nice highlights, granted they're against G league players but still better competition than D1 where he probably should have been last year. I was one of the posters that were advocating Pop to throw Primo in the fire and he did, and looked terrible and overmatched, still think it was beneficial to get him out there and start some games and travel with the team. Going to be a lot of competition this year he's going to have to earn the PT. Summer league is 2 weeks away, let's see if he stands out over the 3 rooks.

Agree, not to mention he torched the Ignite team which I believe had a few of the guys that just went in the draft.

[CGD]

Don’t let’em get you slick……

I got you. I’m on the same Primo train as you.

[KingKev]

If DJM gets traded like the rumors are swirling, big If and I don't think he will, BUT if he indeed does get traded and you believe timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) when he says this team truly believes and is excited with Primo at the PG position...
Does that open the door for the guy you have low expectations with?
Or is Tre Jones and who-knows manning the point?

Tre and Primo will be in comp for the point in that scenario, mostly
by default. Primo has shown no ability to run point. Tre was leaps and bounds more serviceable than Primo last season, especially at the point. I don’t see either as long term starting quality point guards currently. Primo might have some ability to facilitate and play make but he has a helluva long way to go to become a point guard.

[tonight...you]

Tre and Primo will be in comp for the point in that scenario, mostly
by default. Primo has shown no ability to run point. Tre was leaps and bounds more serviceable than Primo last season, especially at the point. I don’t see either as long term starting quality point guards currently. Primo might have some ability to facilitate and play make but he has a helluva long way to go to become a point guard.
You may be right.
Makes me wonder why the team is reportedly so high on him at the position according to timvp.
And he basically said they're doubling down on that conviction.

They are obviously seeing something you're not, or you are seeing something they're not.

Good stuff.

[Dejounte]

Eh, timvp’s sources aren’t infallible just because he owns this site. He’s had some takes that have been completely wrong.

[tonight...you]

Eh, timvp’s sources aren’t infallible just because he owns this site. He’s had some takes that have been completely wrong.
Certainly no one is infallible, but if events go down... what do you think?
DJM gets traded. No PG is brought in to replace.
Who is the starter, given what's been "reported"?
Tre?
Maybe.
You think this team goes full tank and sends in Primo to absorb the lumps on-the-job?
I think it's an interesting thought-experiment, in case the DJM rumors run true.

[KingKev]

You may be right.
Makes me wonder why the team is reportedly so high on him at the position according to timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8).
And he basically said they're doubling down on that conviction.

They are obviously seeing something you're not, or you are seeing something they're not.

Good stuff.


They have the inside scoop so I’d hope they are right but I’d qualify that with the caveat it doesn’t seem like other league execs see Primo the way we supposedly do. I’m not even convinced that internally PATFO see him that way. More a case of keeping his confidence high while they attempt to groom him.

[KingKev]

Eh, timvp’s sources aren’t infallible just because he owns this site. He’s had some takes that have been completely wrong.

He’s been pretty tuned in lately i’d argue. We are all pretty damn blind but if you have followed this team for long enough should at least have a sense of how we operate and not jump to conclusions on twitter rumours. The flip side of that is PATFO has had a very mixed track record the last 5 yrs.

[tonight...you]

They have the inside scoop so I’d hope they are right but I’d qualify that with the caveat it doesn’t seem like other league execs see Primo the way we supposedly do. I’m not even convinced that internally PATFO see him that way. More a case of keeping his confidence high while they attempt to groom him.
He's never looked like a fragile guy, as far as ego and temperament.
He looks like a dude who just goes out there and does what he does and when someone tells him different, he does that with little shiv. Change the shooting mechanics? Okay. Shot percentage fall off? Keeps his head up and does what he's told.
Told to play a different position with different responsibilities? Okay. He makes mistakes and gets TO's? Never hangs a head. Keeps pushing.
I've watched all of his minutes (just because I find it therapeutic for when I'm stressed with work sometimes) last year and he does not look like a guy who needs his confidence stroked at all.
He looks like a soldier that keeps moving forward.

[Dejounte]

He’s been pretty tuned in lately i’d argue. We are all pretty damn blind but if you have followed this team for long enough should at least have a sense of how we operate and not jump to conclusions on twitter rumours. The flip side of that is PATFO has had a very mixed track record the last 5 yrs.

I have reasons more convincing to me that say otherwise but I’m not going to get into it because I’m not trying to stir shit up. To each his own.

[Dejounte]

Certainly no one is infallible, but if events go down... what do you think?
DJM gets traded. No PG is brought in to replace.
Who is the starter, given what's been "reported"?
Tre?
Maybe.
You think this team goes full tank and sends in Primo to absorb the lumps on-the-job?
I think it's an interesting thought-experiment, in case the DJM rumors run true.

I feel like Wesley is the guy they’ll groom to be that guy if anything happens with DJ, not Primo.

[KingKev]

He's never looked like a fragile guy, as far as ego and temperament.
He looks like a dude who just goes out there and does what he does and when someone tells him different, he does that with little shiv. Change the shooting mechanics? Okay. Shot percentage fall off? Keeps his head up and does what he's told.
Told to play a different position with different responsibilities? Okay. He makes mistakes and gets TO's? Never hangs a head. Keeps pushing.
I've watched all of his minutes (just because I find it therapeutic for when I'm stressed with work sometimes) last year and he does not look like a guy who needs his confidence stroked at all.
He looks like a soldier that keeps moving forward.

Can’t disagree with any of that and probably a big part of why PATFO thinks they can develop/groom him. They are also fully invested in him whether they like it or not. He has no trade value at this point and if he is really blossoming it has been behind closed doors for only the Spurs to see. Sure has not been on the court in the G-League or in the NBA.

[tonight...you]

Can’t disagree with any of that and probably a big part of why PATFO thinks they can develop/groom him. They are also fully invested in him whether they like it or not. He has no trade value at this point and if he is really blossoming it has been behind closed doors for only the Spurs to see. Sure has not been on the court in the G-League or in the NBA.
Yeah. There's the conundrum.
I guess we have no choice, but to see.

[tonight...you]

I feel like Wesley is the guy they’ll groom to be that guy if anything happens with DJ, not Primo.
Huh.
Okay.
I don't see it, but I'm not going to argue over it.

[Dejounte]

Huh.
Okay.
I don't see it, but I'm not going to argue over it.

Just for clarification, I’m not saying Blake is the starter at the start of the season. I think Tre will. This isn’t an attack on Primo’s capabilities, I’m going by how the Spurs used him in NBA games. I think he can still become a good to great player— just not at the point due to his mobility. Yes, I’m aware of his passing abilities. But passing abilities don’t always equal the player being a full on point guard. Just look at Manu. He can use those passing abilities as a wing and it will complement the team’s schemes just fine.

[Atl Spur]

I got you. I’m on the same Primo train as you.

I appreciate it! :)

[GAustex]

I appreciate it! :)
Ur still my Miss Cleo!

[Atl Spur]

Ur still my Miss Cleo!

I’ll be that…… I’m just waiting you out :)

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPFh8boZU4I

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5shPAGxGS8

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[slick'81]

Primo fckn SUAVE

[BacktoBasics]

I like Primo. My draft day disgust passed pretty quickly. But I never really saw the guy as a pg. Seems like he could be a crafty scorer that could feed off of space with open jumpers too. Not a primary ball handler.

[RC_Drunkford]

once I see Primo consistently dance on defenders and then hit a pull up 3 in their face, I'll buy the starpower

[emanueldavidginobili]

I like Primo. My draft day disgust passed pretty quickly. But I never really saw the guy as a pg. Seems like he could be a crafty scorer that could feed off of space with open jumpers too. Not a primary ball handler.
Yeah his ball handling is no where near where it needs to be yet to be a primary ball handler, he was getting ripped at half court last year. I think PATFO think his passing vision is one of the best on the team, even though he was a turnover machine last year but he did show some flashes of impressive vision. Right now Tre is the best passer on the team right now, other than him there is no clear cut guy.

[Mr. Body]

once I see Primo consistently dance on defenders and then hit a pull up 3 in their face, I'll buy the starpower

No one needs you to buy the starpower.

[GAustex]

Turnovers turnovers everywhere

[Atl Spur]

This is gonna be epic……. We have some moves to still make ladies and gents! Enjoy

[John B]

I’m sorry but I trust Spurs coaching than any ST posters in evaluating talent. If they’re willing to let a homegrown star for this kid. Then this kid must really be something. That they were able to mark Kawhi at 15, and to trade a favorite player to get him. That’s the vibes I’m getting on Primo. As if they cleared the slate and rebuild around him. That’s freakin crazy.

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I’m sorry but I trust Spurs coaching than any ST posters in evaluating talent. If they’re willing to let a homegrown star for this kid. Then this kid must really be something. That they were able to mark Kawhi at 15, and to trade a favorite player to get him. That’s the vibes I’m getting on Primo. As if they cleared the slate and rebuild around him. That’s freakin crazy.

Totally agree. They absolute see something there which is why I'm adamant the kid will be good as a wing (2 or 3). I just do not see that he's shown or will be able to show, that he can run the point given his limitations (tendency for turning it over, nor having even average NBA explosiveness)

[GAustex]

Pops drafted last years lotto pick who would have been this years second rounder is gonna save the Spurs.
Believe it when you see it

[offset formation]

No one needs you to buy the starpower.

His teammates will. If they feel like they're having a player that can fulfill the role forced into a spot, they'll resent it after awhile.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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This highlight reel is sick and doing this at 18, kid is younger than 8 of the lottery picks selected in this years draft. His game is aesthetically pleasing, can't wait to watch him develop.

[KingKev]

Totally agree. They absolute see something there which is why I'm adamant the kid will be good as a wing (2 or 3). I just do not see that he's shown or will be able to show, that he can run the point given his limitations (tendency for turning it over, nor having even average NBA explosiveness)

Agreed. Even his handles.

Ppl complain DJ’s handles were loose which was a fair assessment but you have to actually have handles to tighten them up. It’s a small sample size but I haven’t seen Primo show much by way of handles. Not that you need to be Kyrie with the rock but he looks much more like an off ball 2/3 to me who can probably hone his court vision and passing to be less turn over prone.

[Dejounte]

What? Primo’s ball handling is one of his better traits. He has advanced dribbling moves. Ball security and pass awareness is his problem. He makes careless passes with the ball. I watched almost all Spurs games and Austin games.

[KingKev]

What? Primo’s ball handling is one of his better traits. He has advanced dribbling moves. Ball security and pass awareness is his problem. He makes careless passes with the ball. I watched almost all Spurs games and Austin games.

It’s still a small sample size i’m skeptical in his ability to create for himself, get to the basket etc as the primary ball handler.

[John B]

1543581812181843968

This highlight reel is sick and doing this at 18, kid is younger than 8 of the lottery picks selected in this years draft. His game is aesthetically pleasing, can't wait to watch him develop.

Those are remarkable. But I like to see highlights of his passing and court vision. That’s the special quality that a Jason Kidd has, court vision and ability to see plays developing. I think that’s what Pop sees and that’s why he thinks Primo is special. He’s letting Primo commit turnovers, it just a matter of proper execution that eventually Primo will clean up. The dunks are more secondary. White somewhat has it but is not an alpha. DJ not as much I’m sorry. Kyle has it. Of course the big 3 all had it, Boris, Tiago.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Those are remarkable. But I like to see highlights of his passing and court vision. That’s the special quality that a Jason Kidd has, court vision and ability to see plays developing. I think that’s what Pop sees and that’s why he thinks Primo is special. He’s letting Primo commit turnovers, it just a matter of proper execution that eventually Primo will clean up. The dunks are more secondary. White somewhat has it but is not an alpha. DJ not as much I’m sorry. Kyle has it. Of course the big 3 all had it, Boris, Tiago.
Maybe he'll be better off the ball where he can just go get you a bucket type of player and not try to mold him into something he isn't. But who knows we will see throughout summer league and the regular season and see what PATFO are trying to do with Primo. They tried to turn DJ into a PG when I thought he was a better fit as a 2 and he turned out pretty well lol so we will see what happens.

[John B]

Maybe he'll be better off the ball where he can just go get you a bucket type of player and not try to mold him into something he isn't. But who knows we will see throughout summer league and the regular season and see what PATFO are trying to do with Primo. They tried to turn DJ into a PG when I thought he was a better fit as a 2 and he turned out pretty well lol so we will see what happens.

I’m telling you. Primo has wayyy advance court vision than DJ. I’ll give it to DJ. He worked hard on his game. But he didn’t have the natural gifts as far as bball iq like a Bird or Jokic or a LeBron James, guys who can see 3-4 moves ahead. And I’ve seen plays of Primo having that at a very young age. The passing is secondary and the mechanics is where he’s turning it over. But like shooting, it takes practice. Primo was drafted for that, when he exhibited facilitating instead of what he was just known as a c&s player. He has a General’s mentality, you need to lead a team.

[KingKev]

PATFO knows better than me and Primo had a tough assignment this year being a primary ball handler/distributer in the g-lauge and suddenly a wing during his ~15 starts to end the season.

I will say this. I’m completely on board with having you g guys okay out of position this season if it means more court time. No reason to be playing someone like McDermott at all if some of the yourh can slide up a
position or two while Primo slides down.

[Spurs Homer]

I like Primo. My draft day disgust passed pretty quickly. But I never really saw the guy as a pg. Seems like he could be a crafty scorer that could feed off of space with open jumpers too. Not a primary ball handler.

I saw primo as a pg immediately….

and as he gets taller and improves his handle..baby magic baby!

book it!

[Atl Spur]

PATFO knows better than me and Primo had a tough assignment this year being a primary ball handler/distributer in the g-lauge and suddenly a wing during his ~15 starts to end the season.

I will say this. I’m completely on board with having you g guys okay out of position this season if it means more court time. No reason to be playing someone like McDermott at all if some of the yourh can slide up a
position or two while Primo slides down.

You were doing so well……..primo will be fine:) I’m just waiting to prepare that crow for some of you! The dude is super nice , he just needs seasoning. Look at simons in Portland

[RC_Drunkford]

It’s still a small sample size i’m skeptical in his ability to create for himself, get to the basket etc as the primary ball handler.

he seems to have worked on his handle quite a lot. Ask yourself this: Is Luka Doncic lightning fast? Cause Doncic definitely ain't faster than Primo. Yet he's one of the best players in the league. That's basically the game Primo needs to develop. His handle is the top priority for him to create separation to score

[emanueldavidginobili]

I’m telling you. Primo has wayyy advance court vision than DJ. I’ll give it to DJ. He worked hard on his game. But he didn’t have the natural gifts as far as bball iq like a Bird or Jokic or a LeBron James, guys who can see 3-4 moves ahead. And I’ve seen plays of Primo having that at a very young age. The passing is secondary and the mechanics is where he’s turning it over. But like shooting, it takes practice. Primo was drafted for that, when he exhibited facilitating instead of what he was just known as a c&s player. He has a General’s mentality, you need to lead a team.
Yeah I agree, DJ was raw as they come. But that's what I am saying if they can turn an extremely raw kid who couldn't dribble and pass when he came in the league and then turned him into a player that averaged 9.2 assist per game last year, then I am sure they can do the same with Primo. Only thing thing is the work ethic I don't know Primos work ethic but I know DJ work ethic is elite. It will be very interesting how things play out, that's for sure.

[Atl Spur]

he seems to have worked on his handle quite a lot. Ask yourself this: Is Luka Doncic lightning fast? Cause Doncic definitely ain't faster than Primo. Yet he's one of the best players in the league. That's basically the game Primo needs to develop. His handle is the top priority for him to create separation to score

I’ve broken down the skill vs athleticism thing multiple time with plenty examples:) At this point it’s just willful ignorance:)

[John B]

Yeah I agree, DJ was raw as they come. But that's what I am saying if they can turn an extremely raw kid who couldn't dribble and pass when he came in the league and then turned him into a player that averaged 9.2 assist per game last year, then I am sure they can do the same with Primo. Only thing thing is the work ethic I don't know Primos work ethic but I know DJ work ethic is elite. It will be very interesting how things play out, that's for sure.

With that I’ll say, Primo will be so much better than DJ. Book it! :ihit

[Silverheart80]

Primo's gonna be just fine. Will likely end up being a competent NBA veteran a la Reggie Jackson of the Clippers. Loooong career as a combo 1 / 2. No All-Star appearances, but over time, a solid veteran who averages around 12-15 ppg. Should he start as point guard for the Spurs this season? Absolutely. But my expectations are not high. Hasn't shown even a glimmer that says he's gonna be a championship point guard who can counter Doncic or Morant in a 7-game series.

I get why PATFO is hyping him up. Best point guard prospect we've got right now. Nothing to lose this season letting him make more mistakes. Keep boosting his perceived value. I like it.

But say the Spurs get the #2 pick instead of the #1 in next year's draft? Wembanyama's gone. Do they draft Scoot Henderson even with Primo here? No question.

Vassell is gonna end up being a core piece for whatever Spurs championship culture evolves out of rock-bottom. I think Sochan has a chance to be core as well. Is Primo 'The Answer' for the Spurs at starting point guard if we're hunting championships? Let's not get crazy. He's a necessary step in the process.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Asking because I don't know. Being 18, is it likely he could add some burst? Make that first step a little quicker?

[tonight...you]

Asking because I don't know. Being 18, is it likely he could add some burst? Make that first step a little quicker?
Proper weight management, target muscle improvement along with aligning an aggressive thought process... yeah.
You can add burst at his age.

[widowmaker]

I hope they got him training with Manu and not some midget like they do on those IG videos.

[BatManu20]

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[KingKev]

^ we are FUCKED

[Atl Spur]

Kev you are regressing faster than primo rookie year……… take a breather boss!

[TekXX]

^ we are FUCKED

He lacks the mamba mentality.

[KingKev]

Kev you are regressing faster than primo rookie year……… take a breather boss!

Haha I can fall back and still be leaps ahead sir.

I just witnessed two care free children in that interview.

[GAustex]

That senile drunk spent a lottery pick on that

[rascal]

Proper weight management, target muscle improvement along with aligning an aggressive thought process... yeah.
You can add burst at his age.

Spurs need to draft players who already have quickness and burst instead of trying to develop players to get burst.

[tonight...you]

Spurs need to draft players who already have quickness and burst instead of trying to develop players to get burst.
I get what you're saying, but I was responding to a question and I'm not wrong.

[benefactor]

Proper weight management, target muscle improvement along with aligning an aggressive thought process... yeah.
You can add burst at his age.


Spurs need to draft players who already have quickness and burst instead of trying to develop players to get burst.
:lol
Most players basically are what they are. You aren't going to add much to that with training. And oh hey look, the Spurs had a pretty good draft. But rascal will never see that unless we land another Tim Duncan. He's old and depressed and has been projecting his loneliness on this forum for over a decade now

[exstatic]

Asking because I don't know. Being 18, is it likely he could add some burst? Make that first step a little quicker?

How quick is Doncic first step?

[benefactor]

How quick is Doncic first step?
Don't bother. They are just throwing shit at the wall at this point.

[rascal]

How quick is Doncic first step?

Doncic is a true point guard with better ball handling and court vision and superior passing as compared with Primo.

[RC_Drunkford]

Doncic is a true point guard with better ball handling and court vision and superior passing as compared with Primo.

Primo can get there in 4-5 years

[tonight...you]

:lol
Most players basically are what they are. You aren't going to add much to that with training. And oh hey look, the Spurs had a pretty good draft. But rascal will never see that unless we land another Tim Duncan. He's old and depressed and has been projecting his loneliness on this forum for over a decade now
I'll defer to your expertise.
I agree about the Draft. Knocked it out of the park and with direction.

[tim_duncan_fan]

How quick is Doncic first step?

Luka is a magical being. I dunno how that guy scores the way he does. lmao

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Don't bother. They are just throwing shit at the wall at this point.

Lmao.

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Doncic is a true point guard with better ball handling and court vision and superior passing as compared with Primo.

This. Not only that, his body positioning is world class. Its not simply about explosiveness, though that helps tremendously. Prino doesnt get easy buckets. Thats just a fucking requirement for a PG to get a few easy buckets per game añt the rim. Luka does it with his skill, moves, handles, hesitations, and body positioning, added on top of his ability to step back and bury one in your face.

To date, Primo has shown not even 1/10 of that skill set.

[vy65]

Lol

[Kurik]

Stop bumping this one, we need to switch to the underpass.

[RC_Drunkford]

the scout that told TimVP Primo would be a 2nd rounder in this draft was spot on. He got outplayed by the 25th pick

[GAustex]

Where’s Miss Cleo to spin that turd into a silk scarf

[Mr. Body]

Dog crap game.

[slick'81]

Our future pg:cry

[Atl Spur]

Dog crap game.

Was really tough to watch; a horrible outing. On to the next…….

[Atl Spur]

This. Not only that, his body positioning is world class. Its not simply about explosiveness, though that helps tremendously. Prino doesnt get easy buckets. Thats just a fucking requirement for a PG to get a few easy buckets per game añt the rim. Luka does it with his skill, moves, handles, hesitations, and body positioning, added on top of his ability to step back and bury one in your face.

To date, Primo has shown not even 1/10 of that skill set.

True indeed:) thank goodness summerleague is the place to work on deficiencies. Primo will be fine:)

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True indeed:) thank goodness summerleague is the place to work on deficiencies. Primo will be fine:)

Sigh...

Hot take: The 2021 Lakers undrafted camp invitee is a better **PG** than the Spurs 2021 12th pick in Primo will ever be, despite PATFO's best intentions.

Three other things I've noticed about Primo's PG defenders say about him incessantly and annoyingly:

1. He's only 19, give him time. Lol, so is Kuminga. So is Wesley. Time won't make him not be TO prone or suddenly be able to make it to the rim (See Mac McClung for God's sake).
2. He is just deferring. No, he's not as aggressive as he could be but he shouldn't try anyways because he could have had 9 TOs in this game if you count deflections. As it is, he had 3 more again today with his 4 Assists. Again, well below the top 100 NBA players in assist to TO ratio from last year.
3. He can turn it on when he needs to in 4th quarter, per Air Alamo, the game announcers, and folks on this board. No, he can't. That sentiment came from one game where he hit a lucky ass left handed floater and 3 threes in the 4th.

Look folks, he's NOT A PG. Making him be one will be detrimental to his development and the team's. He will have games where he scores in the 20s and it will almost undoubtedly be substantially totaled from 3 pt shots from the wing.

And yes Atl Spur, he will be fine if he stops being forced to play as a PG. don't get mad at me for highlighting the obvious.

[GAustex]

Last years Lotto pick who would be this years second rounder will be next years free agent

[Russ]

Not to pile on, but what looked like poise a year ago may be starting to look like a lack of fire.

[GAustex]

Its the picker not the pick.

[Atl Spur]

Sigh...

Hot take: The 2021 Lakers undrafted camp invitee is a better **PG** than the Spurs 2021 12th pick in Primo will ever be, despite PATFO's best intentions.

Three other things I've noticed about Primo's PG defenders say about him incessantly and annoyingly:

1. He's only 19, give him time. Lol, so is Kuminga. So is Wesley. Time won't make him not be TO prone or suddenly be able to make it to the rim (See Mac McClung for God's sake).
2. He is just deferring. No, he's not as aggressive as he could be but he shouldn't try anyways because he could have had 9 TOs in this game if you count deflections. As it is, he had 3 more again today with his 4 Assists. Again, well below the top 100 NBA players in assist to TO ratio from last year.
3. He can turn it on when he needs to in 4th quarter, per Air Alamo, the game announcers, and folks on this board. No, he can't. That sentiment came from one game where he hit a lucky ass left handed floater and 3 threes in the 4th.

Look folks, he's NOT A PG. Making him be one will be detrimental to his development and the team's. He will have games where he scores in the 20s and it will almost undoubtedly be substantially totaled from 3 pt shots from the wing.

And yes Atl Spur, he will be fine if he stops being forced to play as a PG. don't get mad at me for highlighting the obvious.

Lol……. This can’t be life. Primo will be fine and be well kind sir:)

[baseline bum]

Lol

Wow that bad? Oh well, we'll all be dead tomorrow anyways after the rolling blackouts in humid ass 106 degree weather.

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Wow that bad? Oh well, we'll all be dead tomorrow anyways after the rolling blackouts in humid ass 106 degree weather.

Bend over and I'll show you rolling blackouts.

[rjv]

primo's performance yesterday was unimpressive to say the least. to be fair, the team lacked any screen setter of any kind and there were numerous possessions where the high screen never came so primo would wind up stuck at the top of the key with about ten seconds left on the shot clock. that part was not on him. but, he was too indecisive about what to do when the screen wouldn't come and then he often forced his way into the paint which often led to a turnover or a bad possession. again, to be fair, there was little movement and a lot of his teammates just stood around watching him. but whereas primo looked hesitant, blake looked far more decisive. wesley also seemed more capable of being able to get past a defender when the screen never came, because of his quick first step. it's way to early to come to any kind of conclusion and i'm sure primo would look better with jakob setting high screens and a vassell or keldon to kick the ball out to, but the initial impressions are that blake looks more natural playing the point than primo does.

[KingKev]

^ the reality is Jak, Keldon and Vassell probably look worse next year unless they are really adding to their game this off-season.

Those guys aren’t going to make Primo look better he doesn’t when he isn’t standing out against borderline talent as it is.

[rjv]

^ the reality is Jak, Keldon and Vassell probably look worse next year unless they are really adding to their game this off-season.

Those guys aren’t going to make Primo look better he doesn’t when he isn’t standing out against borderline talent as it is.

i think you're missing the point, although jakob is great at setting high screens. just go back and look at the times that primo had no one come up and set a pick for him up top. there were also numerous occasions when no one was even camped out in the right corner for a shot. they weren't even running sets and there was no motion. regardless of whether or not vassell and keldon improve significantly or not (i do expect them to be better) is moot. the point was the primo would benefit from any kind of offensive scheme. but, as i mentioned, what the lack of an offense did reveal was primo's lack of athleticism and decisiveness, which are bad traits for a PG. blake, as green as he is, was able to make lemonade out of lemons because of his quick first step and lack of hesitancy to either drive or shoot.

[B1gduff]

Aaahh the cycle onces again starts. First, it was White, than Murray, then Walker, then Johnosn, and now its Primo.

[Ariel]

Honestly, I think those that overrate him will end up doing him much more damage than those of us who are much lower on him. Forcing him to play in a way he's incapable of will end up destroying his confidence, and he won't even develop into what he can be, which is IMO a rotational wing with adequate shooting and (secondary) playmaking skills. He was a horrible lottery pick, that ship has sailed, but he can still be a viable NBA player, and it's the delusions of the Atl Spur of the world that may end up preventing him from that by demanding too much of him and setting him up to fail.

[DAF86]

If this guy doesn't turn out to, at least, be a rotation player, Wright has some serious explaining to do. If you are going to use your best draft position in years (at that time) on a guy that could have been had on the second round, that player better show something.

[Atl Spur]

Honestly, I think those that overrate him will end up doing him much more damage than those of us who are much lower on him. Forcing him to play in a way he's incapable of will end up destroying his confidence, and he won't even develop into what he can be, which is IMO a rotational wing with adequate shooting and (secondary) playmaking skills. He was a horrible lottery pick, that ship has sailed, but he can still be a viable NBA player, and it's the delusions of the Atl Spur of the world that may end up preventing him from that by demanding too much of him and setting him up to fail.

Do you hear yourself clown? This is a fan message board:) quit trying so hard to fit in with these dumb takes.

[Atl Spur]

If this guy doesn't turn out to, at least, be a rotation player, Wright has some serious explaining to do. If you are going to use your best draft position in years (at that time) on a guy that could have been had on the second round, that player better show something.

A simple google search would inform you this pick ( #12 )hasn’t produced the amount of high quality level players you seem to think it has:) The odds are actually against it being successful! And because we have such an inept front office/organization, why do we expect to buck the odds? Can’t have it both ways…..

[Ariel]

Do you hear yourself clown? This is a fan message board:) quit trying so hard to fit in with these dumb takes.
It's a SPURS fans message board, not a Primo message board, you !d!ot. I have yet to read any intelligent take from you that brings some substance to your assertions. Either you don't have one, or you're too dumb to put them into words. Whichever the case, you're the resident clown here.

[R. DeMurre]

Honestly, I think those that overrate him will end up doing him much more damage than those of us who are much lower on him. Forcing him to play in a way he's incapable of will end up destroying his confidence, and he won't even develop into what he can be, which is IMO a rotational wing with adequate shooting and (secondary) playmaking skills. He was a horrible lottery pick, that ship has sailed, but he can still be a viable NBA player, and it's the delusions of the Atl Spur of the world that may end up preventing him from that by demanding too much of him and setting him up to fail.


When the Spurs had Primo take up PG duties in the G League, it made perfect sense to me-- because assist-to-turnover ratio was one of his glaring areas of concern. It seemed like a good way to generally improve his handle and decision-making abilities. But I assumed early he'd return to being a SG in the NBA and be (long term) a very secondary ball handler at best. I still wonder if the idea of him as a future PG is a complete fabrication of internet GMs who floated it along with other silly concepts like Harden & Doncic comps.

[Atl Spur]

It's a SPURS fans message board, not a Primo message board, you !d!ot. I have yet to read any intelligent take from you that brings some substance to your assertions. Either you don't have one, or you're too dumb to put them into words. Whichever the case, you're the resident clown here.

Are you done entertaining? Comprehension isn’t a strength of yours I see:) Take time and read for understanding…..

[DAF86]

A simple google search would inform you this pick ( #12 )hasn’t produced the amount of high quality level players you seem to think it has:) The odds are actually against it being successful! And because we have such an inept front office/organization, why do we expect to buck the odds? Can’t have it both ways…..

That has nothing to do with what I said. The issue here isn't if #12 picks are succesful or not. The issue is wasting a lottery pick on a player you most likely could have got in the second round. There was no reason for the Spurs to use #12 on a guy nobody else was going to snatch from you before you had a second go at the draft.

[Atl Spur]

When the Spurs had Primo take up PG duties in the G League, it made perfect sense to me-- because assist-to-turnover ratio was one of his glaring areas of concern. It seemed like a good way to generally improve his handle and decision-making abilities. But I assumed early he'd return to being a SG in the NBA and be (long term) a very secondary ball handler at best. I still wonder if the idea of him as a future PG is a complete fabrication of internet GMs who floated it along with other silly concepts like Harden & Doncic comps.

Ding ding…… Primo clearly said in the interview this team will have many ball handlers, he never said he was the new PG! This pg thing is a red herring so we don’t speak of his skills improvements most said he didn’t currently exhibit ( shooting / ball handling ).

[Atl Spur]

That has nothing to do with what I said. The issue here isn't if #12 picks are succesful or not. The issue is wasting a lottery pick on a player you most likely could have got in the second round. There was no reason for the Spurs to use #12 on a guy nobody else was going to snatch from you before you had a second go at the draft.

So, you know better than the organization now? Got it! You have all the intel / scouting comps etc…. Got it! Take several seats

[JeffDuncan]

. I still wonder if the idea of [Primo] as a future PG is a complete fabrication of internet GMs ...


On the night Primo was drafted Wright said the Spurs envisioned him playing point guard “SOMETIMES.” They viewed him as a combo type.

There are posters here who only ever caught the “point guard” phrase and they have, as usual, gone bat shit insane about it.

As far as I know, the Spurs view is still the same. A combo, who might play point SOMETIMES.

[DAF86]

So, you know better than the organization now? Got it! You have all the intel / scouting comps etc…. Got it! Take several seats

It doesn't take much intel to know no other team was drafting Primo in the first round, tbh.

[Atl Spur]

It doesn't take much intel to know no other team was drafting Primo in the first round, tbh.

Please go back to doing YOUR job and not PATFO’S:) that’s all…..

[DAF86]

Please go back to doing YOUR job and not PATFO’S:) that’s all…..

I can do both, tbh.

[Atl Spur]

I can do both, tbh.

Just admit that was a dumb statement so we can move on:) Show that humility we know you have in there somewhere��

[DAF86]

Just admit that was a dumb statement so we can move on:) Show that humility we know you have in there somewhere��

Which one, the one saying Primo would most likely not be picked in the first round if not for the Spurs? That's not dumb, that's an educated guess most folks around the World would agree on. :lol

Dude, you need a little more self awareness before starting to throw the word "dumb" at other people. :lol

[Atl Spur]

Which one, the one saying Primo would most likely not be picked in the first round if not for the Spurs? That's not dumb, that's an educated guess most folks around the World would agree on. :lol

Dude, you need a little more self awareness before starting to throw the word "dumb" at other people. :lol

Your hypothesis led you to this conclusion? Got it! ( of course that validates the take ) Again I ask, you are plugged in more than the organization? I never called you dumb homie, I said that was a dumb statement:) There’s a difference….

[GAustex]

Are you done entertaining? Comprehension isn’t a strength of yours I see:) Take time and read for understanding…..
Miss Cleo
Rather than mystical fore sights that so far have not come close to fruition
Try living in the real world
You are clownish in your misguided forethoughts

[JeffDuncan]

... The issue is wasting a lottery pick on a player you most likely could have got in the second round. There was no reason for the Spurs to use #12 on a guy nobody else was going to snatch from you before you had a second go at the draft.


Yes, that’s a valid point. So, looking back at that draft, who did the Spurs miss out on, when they took Primo?

People will instantly think Sengun, I suppose. He played a lot and had some decent stats on a team that tanked. 20 wins. Looks like basically empty stats on a lousy team. Be that as it may, I don’t think the Spurs missed out on a star there. A good player, but is it a tragedy we didn’t get him? Don’t think so.

There were three players taken after Primo who averaged double digits in points.

Chris Duarte, taken immediately after Primo. Played a lot and got 13ppg on a team that won 25 games. A hint of empty stats again. Doesn’t look like a game-changing miss.

Tre Mann, scored 10ppg for OKC. Scoring 10 in Tank City does not look like a superstar. Nothing to cry over.

Bones Hyland scored 10ppg for Denver. That could more credibly count as a miss. He was drafted at 26, tho, and if the Spurs could be blamed for missing him, so could a lot of others.

Ironically, the player who might best be counted as a miss for the Spurs is Herbert Jones, also from Alabama. Drafted at 35. He had an excellent year with the Pelicans. One could easily claim the Spurs took the wrong guy from Bama.

As far as players who could have seriously helped the Spurs, it looks like maybe Bones Hyland or Herb Jones - just looking back from this point in time. Otherwise, meh. I don’t think they missed a star by taking a flyer with Primo. And it’s looking very very doubtful they missed the superstar they need, in that draft.

[TD 21]

That has nothing to do with what I said. The issue here isn't if #12 picks are succesful or not. The issue is wasting a lottery pick on a player you most likely could have got in the second round. There was no reason for the Spurs to use #12 on a guy nobody else was going to snatch from you before you had a second go at the draft.

Not absolving them, but there were rumors that the Hornets supposedly would have select him at 11 had Bouknight not fallen as well as the Hawks trying to trade up from 20 to select him.

[Robz4000]

It's a SPURS fans message board, not a Primo message board, you !d!ot. I have yet to read any intelligent take from you that brings some substance to your assertions. Either you don't have one, or you're too dumb to put them into words. Whichever the case, you're the resident clown here.

:lol

[itzsoweezee]

Yes, that’s a valid point. So, looking back at that draft, who did the Spurs miss out on, when they took Primo?

People will instantly think Sengun, I suppose. He played a lot and had some decent stats on a team that tanked. 20 wins. Looks like basically empty stats on a lousy team. Be that as it may, I don’t think the Spurs missed out on a star there. A good player, but is it a tragedy we didn’t get him? Don’t think so.

There were three players taken after Primo who averaged double digits in points.

Chris Duarte, taken immediately after Primo. Played a lot and got 13ppg on a team that won 25 games. A hint of empty stats again. Doesn’t look like a game-changing miss.

Tre Mann, scored 10ppg for OKC. Scoring 10 in Tank City does not look like a superstar. Nothing to cry over.

Bones Hyland scored 10ppg for Denver. That could more credibly count as a miss. He was drafted at 26, tho, and if the Spurs could be blamed for missing him, so could a lot of others.

Ironically, the player who might best be counted as a miss for the Spurs is Herbert Jones, also from Alabama. Drafted at 35. He had an excellent year with the Pelicans. One could easily claim the Spurs took the wrong guy from Bama.

As far as players who could have seriously helped the Spurs, it looks like maybe Bones Hyland or Herb Jones - just looking back from this point in time. Otherwise, meh. I don’t think they missed a star by taking a flyer with Primo. And it’s looking very very doubtful they missed the superstar they need, in that draft.

Duarte, Trey Murphy, Moses Moody, Sengun, Mann, are all better players than Primo. Perhaps Primo will catch up, but they’re clearly better right now. If it stays that way then the Primo pick will be another major draft screwup just a couple years after their last one.

And the relevant question isn’t whether those other players would have helped the Spurs. The question is whether those other players are better assets. And yes, all of them are better assets than primo right now. Hopefully he improves significantly

[Robz4000]

Duarte, Trey Murphy, Moses Moody, Sengun, Mann, are all better players than Primo. Perhaps Primo will catch up, but they’re clearly better right now. If it stays that way then the Primo pick will be another major draft screwup just a couple years after their last one.

And the relevant question isn’t whether those other players would have helped the Spurs. The question is whether those other players are better assets. And yes, all of them are better assets than primo right now. Hopefully he improves significantly

Isaiah Jackson and Ayo Dosunmu are also better.

[cd98]

Before beating up Josh anymore, we should at least give him the same time it took DJM to turn the corner, but also understand that DJM, while young, played on better teams. You may hate LMA and DDR, but they are better than what we will have next year on the roster given we are in tank mode. But Primo should get at least 3, if not 4 years to show if he belongs. But yes, it would be nice if we had a 19-year old Kobe. We don't. But he needs to at least be 21 to have an idea if he can become something relevant in the NBA.

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On the night Primo was drafted Wright said the Spurs envisioned him playing point guard “SOMETIMES.” They viewed him as a combo type.

There are posters here who only ever caught the “point guard” phrase and they have, as usual, gone bat shit insane about it.

As far as I know, the Spurs view is still the same. A combo, who might play point SOMETIMES.

Nope. BEFORE THIS DRAFT and before trading Dejounte, timvp said something along the lines of Spurs view Primo as their PG of the future. So quite frankly, you can take this analysis and throw it out the window.

Posters aren't going bat shit. Pop is.

[Atl Spur]

Classic foolishness……

[Atl Spur]

Oh my gosh……… you guys are joking right?

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Classic foolishness……

Yes, like Pop being convinced he'd found the next little Steph Curry in Bryn Forbes and started him for basically an entire year. He's going to delusional his way in a similar way if he tries to make Primo something he's not...a PG.

Jesus H, this isn't rocket science. An undrafted Mac McClung far outplayed him at the PG position. And watch Golden State turn him into a hell of a bench PG. While Pop turns Primo into a shell of himself by making him play somewhere he doesn't belong.

[GAustex]

Wasted lotto pick on a second rounder

[JeffDuncan]

Duarte, Trey Murphy, Moses Moody, Sengun, Mann, are all better players than Primo. Perhaps Primo will catch up, but they’re clearly better right now. If it stays that way then the Primo pick will be another major draft screwup just a couple years after their last one.


I have to disagree with the word “major.” A major screwup would be if they missed the superstar they need, by drafting Primo. That does not appear to be the case.

Merely having a better player does the Spurs no good now. They might be assured of winning 35 games, maybe even a few more. But in terms of the draft that’s a bad place to be.

The NBA offers hope for teams in two situations:

1). The ones who have a franchise player.

2). The ones that are bad, so they have a decent chance to land a franchise player in the draft.

In between is the worst place to be. The mediocre teams are stuck on the treadmill, not good enough to challenge for the title, but not bad enough to draft a game-changing player - unless they get more lucky than anybody has a right to expect.

The Spurs wouldn’t benefit by just having a player “better than Primo.”


And the relevant question isn’t whether those other players would have helped the Spurs. The question is whether those other players are better assets. And yes, all of them are better assets than primo right now. Hopefully he improves significantly


Assets, well, if you’re only snagging players who should be good enough to trade for draft picks, in three or four years, how long is that process going to go on?

About Primo, I hope he doesn’t improve. Since he gives no sign of being the franchise player we need, I hope he turns into total rubbish, so as they keep trying to play him, the team doesn’t even win 20 games. Whether we can get Wemby or not, still, gimme that high draft pick.

[JeffDuncan]

Nope. …



Yep. That “SOMETIMES” is from a quote by Brian Wright, speaking to the media, on the night Primo was drafted.

But feel free to ignore it and continue to go all bat shit loopy. Doesn’t really matter.

[vy65]

Per TIMVP

"Furthermore, I can’t emphasize enough how much the Spurs believe in Joshua Primo’s potential. Multiple individuals employed by the Spurs say the franchise views Primo’s ultimate position to be point guard and that he’s exhibiting extreme work ethic and has made notable strides already this offseason. If the Spurs have a franchise player already on the roster, these Spurs insiders believe it’ll end up being Primo."

:cry thstahpp being a meanie to my Primo :cry

[RC_Drunkford]

Per TIMVP

"Furthermore, I can’t emphasize enough how much the Spurs believe in Joshua Primo’s potential. Multiple individuals employed by the Spurs say the franchise views Primo’s ultimate position to be point guard and that he’s exhibiting extreme work ethic and has made notable strides already this offseason. If the Spurs have a franchise player already on the roster, these Spurs insiders believe it’ll end up being Primo."

:cry thstahpp being a meanie to my Primo :cry

damn this front office is on heavy drugs :lmao

a franchise player who can't dominate in summer league. WTF are they smoking? Crack?

[vy65]

damn this front office is on heavy drugs :lmao

a franchise player who can't dominate in summer league. WTF are they smoking? Crack?

Not surprised why Chip wants out from this dumpster fire

[John B]

Per TIMVP

"Furthermore, I can’t emphasize enough how much the Spurs believe in Joshua Primo’s potential. Multiple individuals employed by the Spurs say the franchise views Primo’s ultimate position to be point guard and that he’s exhibiting extreme work ethic and has made notable strides already this offseason. If the Spurs have a franchise player already on the roster, these Spurs insiders believe it’ll end up being Primo."

:cry thstahpp being a meanie to my Primo :cry

If that’s how the PATFO sees Primo, then I would go by that. I believe the PATFO as better judge of talent than anybody poster in ST.

[Atl Spur]

If that’s how the PATFO sees Primo, then I would go by that. I believe the PATFO as better judge of talent than anybody poster in ST.

^this . You boys are hilarious!!!

[GAustex]

Last years lotto is this years second rounder is next years free agent

[vy65]

If that’s how the PATFO sees Primo, then I would go by that. I believe the PATFO as better judge of talent than anybody poster in ST.

Boy they sure nailed that Luka Samanic pick, the Demarre Carrol signing, the Marcus Morris almost-signing, etc... didn't they?

[Atl Spur]

Boy they sure nailed that Luka Samanic pick, the Demarre Carrol signing, the Marcus Morris almost-signing, etc... didn't they?

Brother, take a break.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Not ready to write this guy off entirely yet, but his in-ability to come out of cruise control and get past his man is concerning right now.

[GAustex]

Summer league team better with Covid Primo
What a lotto pick

[Atl Spur]

Crickets

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Per TIMVP

"Furthermore, I can’t emphasize enough how much the Spurs believe in Joshua Primo’s potential. Multiple individuals employed by the Spurs say the franchise views Primo’s ultimate position to be point guard and that he’s exhibiting extreme work ethic and has made notable strides already this offseason. If the Spurs have a franchise player already on the roster, these Spurs insiders believe it’ll end up being Primo."

:cry thstahpp being a meanie to my Primo :cry

Yup, that was the quote I was referencing. Thanks for tracking it down. Was too lazy even when people are saying it isn't the position of Spurs to make him their PG of the future.

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If that’s how the PATFO sees Primo, then I would go by that. I believe the PATFO as better judge of talent than anybody poster in ST.

PATFO once thought Forbes was their version of Steph. Just no. They've blown numerous picks lately.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

You must be fun at parties

[rascal]

If that’s how the PATFO sees Primo, then I would go by that. I believe the PATFO as better judge of talent than anybody poster in ST.

If the spurs front office think Primo will be a franchise player they need to be replaced.

[FkLA]

Remember that Summer League year (I think it was the year after Becky led them to the title and Fat Head and JSimmons won co-MVPs)...when Murray was getting hyped up so hard by the franchise and he himself was talking so much about how it was his time to lead/take over in Summer League.

Then he fucking sucked, so much so that the Spurs held him out of games because it was cringy how awful he looked after getting hyped up so much? :lol

[DAF86]

Remember that Summer League year (I think it was the year after Becky led them to the title and Fat Head and JSimmons won co-MVPs)...when Murray was getting hyped up so hard by the franchise and he himself was talking so much about how it was his time to lead/take over in Summer League.

Then he fucking sucked, so much so that the Spurs held him out of games because it was cringy how awful he looked after getting hyped up so much? :lol

And that didn't end up so badly. Hooefully this ends the sams way (minus the trade).

[John B]

If the spurs front office think Primo will be a franchise player they need to be replaced.

Yup they only have 5 rings show for it. Heck no FA wants to come in a small market, even our own home grown wanted to leave. There’s no reason why thet should draft over the fence guy and try to develop him and a young age. Yup PATFO is the worst. I don’t know why other teams try to recruit our management and coaches. Damn idiots.

[GAustex]

Wasted lotto pick on a second rounder

[Atl Spur]

Yup they only have 5 rings show for it. Heck no FA wants to come in a small market, even our own home grown wanted to leave. There’s no reason why thet should draft over the fence guy and try to develop him and a young age. Yup PATFO is the worst. I don’t know why other teams try to recruit our management and coaches. Damn idiots.

#savage

[The Truth #6]

To me, it’s not that Primo is going to be really good, he probably won’t be, but in general we have to accept that the Spurs are in a rebuilding stage and will have to take home run swings on players that may or may not bust. That’s where we are now. So, I can accept that general premise, but doesn’t mean I have to think that Primo is playing super well so far. There will be plenty of players we will have to wait on and see how they develop.

[rascal]

Yup they only have 5 rings show for it. Heck no FA wants to come in a small market, even our own home grown wanted to leave. There’s no reason why thet should draft over the fence guy and try to develop him and a young age. Yup PATFO is the worst. I don’t know why other teams try to recruit our management and coaches. Damn idiots.

Five rings is because they had Duncan. No Duncan there would be no rings. Duncan made the front office overrated. No front office loses with Robinson and Duncan overlapping for several years and Duncan for 19 years and healthy for most of 19 years.
The front office is very average.

Now we see how great they are without Duncan , a stready decline to the worst team in the league.

[rascal]

To me, it’s not that Primo is going to be really good, he probably won’t be, but in general we have to accept that the Spurs are in a rebuilding stage and will have to take home run swings on players that may or may not bust. That’s where we are now. So, I can accept that general premise, but doesn’t mean I have to think that Primo is playing super well so far. There will be plenty of players we will have to wait on and see how they develop.

You take swings on players who exhibit athleticism, Primo is not that type of player.

[John B]

Five rings is because they had Duncan. No Duncan there would be no rings. Duncan made the front office overrated. No front office loses with Robinson and Duncan overlapping for several years and Duncan for 19 years and healthy for most of 19 years.
The front office is very average.

Now we see how great they are without Duncan , a stready decline to the worst team in the league.

Okay 4 rings. Because that geriatric team of 2013-14 shouldn't be in the Finals against prime Lebron and his banana boat, without the Beautiful Game. But I guess Duncan was sole responsible for concocting that.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Five rings is because they had Duncan. No Duncan there would be no rings. Duncan made the front office overrated. No front office loses with Robinson and Duncan overlapping for several years and Duncan for 19 years and healthy for most of 19 years.
The front office is very average.

Now we see how great they are without Duncan , a stready decline to the worst team in the league.
Smartass, which team without top-15 of all time player in the roster has become a dynasty?

[John B]

You take swings on players who exhibit athleticism, Primo is not that type of player.

Spurs went for Samanic and Lonnie, and see where it got them. Primo was 18 and still growing. He maybe not as athletic, but he has a great feel for the game. I'm sure he's waaayy better than Dejounte at that age :lol

[Seventyniner]

To me, it’s not that Primo is going to be really good, he probably won’t be, but in general we have to accept that the Spurs are in a rebuilding stage and will have to take home run swings on players that may or may not bust. That’s where we are now. So, I can accept that general premise, but doesn’t mean I have to think that Primo is playing super well so far. There will be plenty of players we will have to wait on and see how they develop.

Right. Whiffing on a home run pick doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad pick. A bad result does not always imply a bad decision was made.

[John B]

Right. Whiffing on a home run pick doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad pick. A bad result does not always imply a bad decision was made.

This 100%

[Atl Spur]

To me, it’s not that Primo is going to be really good, he probably won’t be, but in general we have to accept that the Spurs are in a rebuilding stage and will have to take home run swings on players that may or may not bust. That’s where we are now. So, I can accept that general premise, but doesn’t mean I have to think that Primo is playing super well so far. There will be plenty of players we will have to wait on and see how they develop.

History would suggest our draft selections panning out more often than not right? Anyone can see Primo isn’t playing where we would like him to at this stage but that’s why you drafted him young. He’ll be given time to develop into something special if it’s in the cards like all young players. It’s our investment in time/resources hoping to catch lightning in a bottle again!

[TD 21]

To me, it’s not that Primo is going to be really good, he probably won’t be, but in general we have to accept that the Spurs are in a rebuilding stage and will have to take home run swings on players that may or may not bust. That’s where we are now. So, I can accept that general premise, but doesn’t mean I have to think that Primo is playing super well so far. There will be plenty of players we will have to wait on and see how they develop.

It's actually the opposite. By presumably going full scale rebuild, they can stop taking swings (at least with their own 1sts) and start picking among the obvious names at or near the top in a given year.

I'm tired of relying on selecting deeply flawed projects in one way or another and hoping they can mask or overcome them to an extent to reach fringe stardom.

Since they haven't had a player with a modern game in this era, that's probably in large part what attracted them to Primo. He's not only is a volume 3-point shooter, but he actually attempts step back threes. It probably blew their mind.

[RC_Drunkford]

If the spurs front office think Primo will be a franchise player they need to be replaced.

should‘ve been replaced 5 years ago

[GAustex]

The problem is not Primo
It is who picked him where they did

[PhantomDashCam]

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[kobyz]

Only me Primo look 6'7" by now?

[tim_duncan_fan]

Only me Primo look 6'7" by now?

He's 6'5. Yall have to stop lmao

[SAGirl]

Aaahh the cycle onces again starts. First, it was White, than Murray, then Walker, then Johnosn, and now its Primo.
Yeah. This could go one for a while. Tbh I am past getting riled up about any of it. It's tank season for real.
:corn:

[Kurgan]

Only me Primo look 6'7" by now?

Says a lot about how much of a terrible prospect you are when the only interesting thing people have to discuss about you is your height

[Atl Spur]

Love the loathing of a spur player ……… wait for it…….. so called spurs fans! Lol Please keep this energy throughout the process:) Hopefully the other members hold you accountable when it’s all said and done. Gods speed.

[GAustex]

Seems like a nice kid
Just ain’t a lotto pick
More like a second rounder

[spurraider21]

Right. Whiffing on a home run pick doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad pick. A bad result does not always imply a bad decision was made.
But whiffing on primo isn’t whiffing on a home run. He didn’t show that potential. It’s like whiffing on a ground rule double

[offset formation]

Love the loathing of a spur player ……… wait for it…….. so called spurs fans! Lol Please keep this energy throughout the process:) Hopefully the other members hold you accountable when it’s all said and done. Gods speed.

It's not loathing Atl. It's frustration that PATFO took a kid early they probably didn't need to take early. Probably could have gotten someone else and then still gotten him for not too much more trading into the back of the 1st round. He hasn't shown anything yet. 3rd worst player rating last season. Still showing the same signs of being very loose with his handle and turnover prone with just really dumb passing attempts. And then there's frustration with PATFO trying to force him into a position he's clearly not suited for, at PG.

Kid needs the pressure taken off of him and does not need to be the ball handler, primary or secondary. He just needs to be a wing player that focuses on 3 and D at first and slowly work on creating some offense with some occasional dribble drives. That he's not is on Pop. They will ruin him and his confidence.

But for the love of Zeus, stop acting like Primo is showing out because he's not, and again demonstrably so. I'm happy to post his stats from his rookie year if you want. They're abismal.

[Atl Spur]

It's not loathing Atl. It's frustration that PATFO took a kid early they probably didn't need to take early. Probably could have gotten someone else and then still gotten him for not too much more trading into the back of the 1st round. He hasn't shown anything yet. 3rd worst player rating last season. Still showing the same signs of being very loose with his handle and turnover prone with just really dumb passing attempts. And then there's frustration with PATFO trying to force him into a position he's clearly not suited for, at PG.

Kid needs the pressure taken off of him and does not need to be the ball handler, primary or secondary. He just needs to be a wing player that focuses on 3 and D at first and slowly work on creating some offense with some occasional dribble drives. That he's not is on Pop. They will ruin him and his confidence.

But for the love of Zeus, stop acting like Primo is showing out because he's not, and again demonstrably so. I'm happy to post his stats from his rookie year if you want. They're abismal.

If you don’t get it by now, I can’t help you:) I’ll be here when the worm turns. The day is coming sooner for that crow to be eaten. Bon appetite.

[offset formation]

If you don’t get it by now, I can’t help you:) I’ll be here when the worm turns. The day is coming sooner for that crow to be eaten. Bon appetite.

Yeah yeah, kid is 19. Blah, blah, blah. He's got electrolytes until he's like 30 with folks like you. At some point he has to be played where he's most effective and at some point he's got to not be a TO waiting to happen...game after game after game.

[rankingtear]

It's not loathing Atl. It's frustration that PATFO took a kid early they probably didn't need to take early. Probably could have gotten someone else and then still gotten him for not too much more trading into the back of the 1st round. He hasn't shown anything yet. 3rd worst player rating last season. Still showing the same signs of being very loose with his handle and turnover prone with just really dumb passing attempts. And then there's frustration with PATFO trying to force him into a position he's clearly not suited for, at PG.

Kid needs the pressure taken off of him and does not need to be the ball handler, primary or secondary. He just needs to be a wing player that focuses on 3 and D at first and slowly work on creating some offense with some occasional dribble drives. That he's not is on Pop. They will ruin him and his confidence.

But for the love of Zeus, stop acting like Primo is showing out because he's not, and again demonstrably so. I'm happy to post his stats from his rookie year if you want. They're abismal.

Didn't pop play him at SF last year? I'm confused.

[Atl Spur]

Yeah yeah, kid is 19. Blah, blah, blah. He's got electrolytes until he's like 30 with folks like you. At some point he has to be played where he's most effective and at some point he's got to not be a TO waiting to happen...game after game after game.

Lol

[offset formation]

Didn't pop play him at SF last year? I'm confused.

Not exclusively, no. Actually I'd say he played as the primary or secondary ball handler about 60-70% of the time. And he had the overwhelming majority of his turnovers when doing so

[offset formation]

^^^

Not to mention, it doesn't really even matter about last year's usage as he is being molded as the PG of the future

[Dejounte]

Not exclusively, no. Actually I'd say he played as the primary or secondary ball handler about 60-70% of the time. And he had the overwhelming majority of his turnovers when doing so

This is just a goddamn lie, man. He barely had ball handling duties while with the main team.

[GAustex]

But he still had a lot of really bad turnovers

[offset formation]

This is just a goddamn lie, man. He barely had ball handling duties while with the main team.

Lie? It's my recollection of the last 15 games. And it completely jives with what we now know we're the plans from PATFO to make him their PG of the future.

Go back and watch a game randomly from the last month of the season. You'll be surprised how often Primo had ball handling duties when he wasn't on the floor with DJ or Tre.

[Dejounte]

Lie? It's my recollection of the last 15 games. And it completely jives with what we now know we're the plans from PATFO to make him their PG of the future.

Go back and watch a game randomly from the last month of the season. You'll be surprised how often Primo had ball handling duties when he wasn't on the floor with DJ or Tre.

You mean the 12 minutes out of 966 total minutes he played last season without DJ or Tre? That’s the number of minutes he played without those two on the floor.

[Dejounte]

And the whole “Spurs plan to make him the PG of the future” has no real basis that no one has any way of validating until the season starts. I swear y’all are too damn gullible.

[offset formation]

And the whole “Spurs plan to make him the PG of the future” has no real basis that no one has any way of validating until the season starts. I swear y’all are too damn gullible.

Gullible? timvp reported it per his sources. And that's normally enough for me, but my eyes also told me that last year, and of course this year. And of course Brian Wright and Mitch Johnson are on record saying they are looking at Primo as ball handler, as they go multiple.

My man, sometimes you're just downright unnecessarily ornery, as though I insulted you. Lie. Gullible.

And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're right that Primo only played 12 or whatever minutes without DJ or Tre on the floor, but then that also only underscores my point. They had Primo with ball handling duties even with those guys on the floor with him. Watch the tape. I pay attention to who brings the ball up and other random nonsense. Especially with him because he turned the ball over repeatedly. And I kept asking myself if they were already trying to tank or make the play-in game.

I watch stuff nobody else pays attention to. Like when Lonnie walker had everyone on this board mesmerized with his athleticism, I was highlighting his poor effort and rotations. From his first game. And before in g-league

Like when you were all about Duarte, I was saying Vassell had a higher ceiling because of his ability to make a mid range off the dribble and get to the hole. That appears to be the correct take.

Primo was increasingly given ball handling duties last year. Like it or don't.

[Dejounte]

Gullible? timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) reported it per his sources. And that's normally enough for me, but my eyes also told me that last year, and of course this year. And of course Brian Wright and Mitch Johnson are on record saying they are looking at Primo as ball handler, as they go multiple.

My man, sometimes you're just downright unnecessarily ornery, as though I insulted you. Lie. Gullible.

And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're right that Primo only played 12 or whatever minutes without DJ or Tre on the floor, but then that also only underscores my point. They had Primo with ball handling duties even with those guys on the floor with him. Watch the tape. I pay attention to who brings the ball up and other random nonsense. Especially with him because he turned the ball over repeatedly. And I kept asking myself if they were already trying to tank or make the play-in game.

I watch stuff nobody else pays attention to. Like when Lonnie walker had everyone on this board mesmerized with his athleticism, I was highlighting his poor effort and rotations. From his first game. And before in g-league

Like when you were all about Duarte, I was saying Vassell had a higher ceiling because of his ability to make a mid range off the dribble and get to the hole. That appears to be the correct take.

Primo was increasingly given ball handling duties last year. Like it or don't.

Well, this is a matter of my eyes vs yours. And like anybody, I’ll trust mine over yours and you’ll trust yours over mine. With some effort we could prove who is right, either by looking up tracking numbers or watching old games together like best pals.

speaking of tracking numbers, per nba.com:

time of possessions:
Primo sits 9th with 1.3 behind guys like JRich, Keldon, Lonnie, Jakob, Vassell. The guys we know who handled the ball? DJ with 7.4, White with 3.6, Tre with 2.8.

Avg sec per touch:
Murray/ Tre nearly held the ball nearly 50% longer than Primo

avg dribble per touch:
Murray/ Tre dribbles the ball nearly twice as much as Primo

pick and roll ball handler:
15.3% for Primo… just a little bit over our 3 and d guys in Vassell and Keldon
the guys we know who are ball handlers?
DJ at 46.7%
Tre at 31.8%
White at 31.2%
LONNIE at 23.6%

meanwhile, Primo sits 4th best as a spot up shooter with 36% frequency

you see? This shit is easily disproven.

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Well, this is a matter of my eyes vs yours. And like anybody, I’ll trust mine over yours and you’ll trust yours over mine. With some effort we could prove who is right, either by looking up tracking numbers or watching old games together like best pals.

speaking of tracking numbers, per nba.com:

time of possessions:
Primo sits 9th with 1.3 behind guys like JRich, Keldon, Lonnie, Jakob, Vassell. The guys we know who handled the ball? DJ with 7.4, White with 3.6, Tre with 2.8.

Avg sec per touch:
Murray/ Tre nearly held the ball nearly 50% longer than Primo

avg dribble per touch:
Murray/ Tre dribbles the ball nearly twice as much as Primo

pick and roll ball handler:
15.3% for Primo… just a little bit over our 3 and d guys in Vassell and Keldon
the guys we know who are ball handlers?
DJ at 46.7%
Tre at 31.8%
White at 31.2%
LONNIE at 23.6%

meanwhile, Primo sits 4th best as a spot up shooter with 36% frequency

you see? This shit is easily disproven.

Case of statistics not telling the entire tale though. You're absolutely correct that from glancing at those stats it appears Primo didn't handle the ball very much. And he didn't until the last month of the season as I've been saying.

Until then, when he played, he was on the wing. And his 3pt shot fell at a higher rate.

Afterwards as they began working him into more of a ball handler role that last month, it increased. Averaged out though, yes, his numbers don't quite give that picture. Perfect example of that is the 50% longer avg on ball time. He was at first a corner 3 pt guy. And time of possessions.

Also, that pick n roll stat is higher than I would have guessed given that he seemed to drive it into traffic and make an attempted pocket pass on most plays.

If you only took the last month, he'd be higher in all those categories.

That said, I'll throw you an olive branch...good rebuttal using numbers and statistics. I wish other people in this world were capable of relying on facts.

[Dejounte]

I don’t even care where Primo sits talent-level wise and what people’s (premature) opinions about that are. But I think it’s important to use facts when trying to give a judgment that is fair. There’s probably enough evidence (like how he handled the ball a ton in the gleague) to criticize his game elsewhere than making something up (or to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe your recollection is skewed by your bias).

[Atl Spur]

Hmmmmm……

[rankingtear]

Not exclusively, no. Actually I'd say he played as the primary or secondary ball handler about 60-70% of the time. And he had the overwhelming majority of his turnovers when doing so

Where can I find this stat?

[Ocotillo]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1559605687864410117

They grow up so fast.......

[exstatic]

His USG was only 15, so I’d say while they dabbled at giving him the keys on occasion, he was rarely the primary ball handler.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XPqFmCUiBh0

[Maddog]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XPqFmCUiBh0

Wow
MJ version 2

Who the #*!! Is guarding him?

[KingKev]

Wow
MJ version 2

Who the #*!! Is guarding him?

Brynn Forbes’ personal trainer

[The Truth #6]

Finally some workout videos to overhype.

[KingKev]

I noticed he shot 100%

Even Tim, Tony and Manu missed occasionally. We have a gem!

[R. DeMurre]

Brynn Forbes’ personal trainer

Makes sense.. at first, I thought it was Kevin Hart.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

https://sun9-65.userapi.com/impg/4abODutncPMMLsMDf7uANZaPNCij6hI9BGQaqA/gTmG8vnvdp4.jpg?size=512x184&quality=96&sign=4b4d3503ae7df9fb5440183f81e48a8b&type=album

[GAustex]

Not bad
Maybe
I laughed at how many times traveled but I guess it’s not called

[TD 21]

Obviously these shouldn't be read into, but considering we're 8 seasons into this era and they've yet to have a (potential) primary ball handler with a modern skillset, it's still refreshing to see.

Once they trade Poeltl and get Primo and Sochan some seasoning, I'd imagine we'll finally see a starting lineup that while terrible, will have decent or better size throughout, four credible three-point threats and no blatant defensive liability.

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Obviously these shouldn't be read into, but considering we're 8 seasons into this era and they've yet to have a (potential) primary ball handler with a modern skillset, it's still refreshing to see.

Once they trade Poeltl and get Primo and Sochan some seasoning, I'd imagine we'll finally see a starting lineup that while terrible, will have decent or better size throughout, four credible three-point threats and no blatant defensive liability.

Lol. Definition of damning with feigned praise.

[offset formation]

Brynn Forbes’ personal trainer

Defender *might* be 6' tall.

[tim_duncan_fan]

He has zero speed, but maybe he can be an exceptional version of Andre Miller, hopefully.

[KingKev]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1564350833059414022

Imagine Primo at one of these runs LOL

[Vince Carter's ankle]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1564350833059414022

Imagine Primo at one of these runs LOL
Jaden Ivey is quicker than 99% of the players in the league. Cade next to him also looks like a turtle.

[KingKev]

Jaden Ivey is quicker than 99% of the players in the league. Cade next to him also looks like a turtle.

They all look pretty damn fast jeeze.

[Atl Spur]

They all look pretty damn fast jeeze.

To be clear, we’re ( you ) going with Primo is too slow to compete / produce compared to the guys listed?

[KingKev]

To be clear, we’re ( you ) going with Primo is too slow to compete / produce compared to the guys listed?

Yes.

[Atl Spur]

Yes.

Thank you :) This will not age well big guy!!

[tonight...you]

You guys and you're enjoying to gripe.
Awesome.

[GAustex]

Last years lotto who would be this years second rounder might lead the league in TOs.

Tell us Miss Cleo-tell us of the future about your boy. Step up and spout it out. Something tangible

[Atl Spur]

Kev is ok with me.

[BatManu20]

Primo been hitting the weight room tbh. He looks way bigger than even just a couple months ago.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbXmHHFX0AcZ66P?format=jpg&name=large

[Dejounte]

Yeah, you don’t build more mass like that if you’re trying to be more nimble. He’s gonna bang down low more this upcoming season. Also, you don’t see many NBA players chest press 65 lbs dumbbells. They’re usually lifting 25lbs. That’s pretty impressive.

[wildbill2u]

Somehow Kyle Anderson, Slo Mo 1.0 has managed to play for 8 seasons with mediocre stats in every category. A career .333 shooter on 3s, he never developed a good outside shot, yet he is still on the Memphis roster. Kyle Anderson leads incredibly slow breakaway, even for him (video) (nbcsports.com) (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/04/05/kyle-anderson-leads-incredibly-slow-breakaway-even-for-him-video/) Perhaps our Slo Mo 2.0 will develp some skills that will keep him on a roster for as long. At least he came into the league with a willingness to shoot the 3. I believe he has the instincts to play some credible defense but he needs more height to move to PF. Anyone really know if he is still growing????

[KingKev]

Primo been hitting the weight room tbh. He looks way bigger than even just a couple months ago.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbXmHHFX0AcZ66P?format=jpg&name=large

Damn, he’s def building his body up in the gym. I feel like when it’s all said and done this kid is going to be ~6’6ish 225lbs or so. Joe Johnson type frame.

I’m the first to denounce sizing up players via pics but I wonder what Primo will look like beside Keldon opening day.

[Sugus]

Primo been hitting the weight room tbh. He looks way bigger than even just a couple months ago.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbXmHHFX0AcZ66P?format=jpg&name=large

League Fucked, tbh. Just like homegirl over there.

[exstatic]

Somehow Kyle Anderson, Slo Mo 1.0 has managed to play for 8 seasons with mediocre stats in every category. A career .333 shooter on 3s, he never developed a good outside shot, yet he is still on the Memphis roster. Kyle Anderson leads incredibly slow breakaway, even for him (video) (nbcsports.com) (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/04/05/kyle-anderson-leads-incredibly-slow-breakaway-even-for-him-video/) Perhaps our Slo Mo 2.0 will develp some skills that will keep him on a roster for as long. At least he came into the league with a willingness to shoot the 3. I believe he has the instincts to play some credible defense but he needs more height to move to PF. Anyone really know if he is still growing????

So, there are only 2 NBA speeds, Ja and Slowmo? If Kyle is a 0, and Ja is a 10, Primo is like a 7. Just because he’s not Ja quick, it doesn’t make him slow.

[John B]

Primo been hitting the weight room tbh. He looks way bigger than even just a couple months ago.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbXmHHFX0AcZ66P?format=jpg&name=large

That girls looks about 5’2”? That would make Primo about 6’4” :lol

But seriously, I expect Primo to play combo guard/SF like Demar who can occasionally facilitate and get his own basket. And by the look at it, will not be too shy to bang inside. I think Tre starts while Blake hones his skills in Austin and get some games with the big club when schedule permits and eventually gets more minutes towards the latter part of the season.

[KingKev]

That girls looks about 5’2”? That would make Primo about 6’4” :lol

But seriously, I expect Primo to play combo guard/SF like Demar who can occasionally facilitate and get his own basket. And by the look at it, will not be too shy to bang inside. I think Tre starts while Blake hones his skills in Austin and get some games with the big club when schedule permits and eventually gets more minutes towards the latter part of the season.

My sentiments also. Not necessarily banging inside but hopefully his growing physique helps him finish around the rim and provides some switch-ability with bigger guys down low on the defensive end.

[Atl Spur]

My sentiments also. Not necessarily banging inside but hopefully his growing physique helps him finish around the rim and provides some switch-ability with bigger guys down low on the defensive end.

Are we already backtracking? You carry that Primo sucks flag with pride!!! Lol

[KingKev]

Are we already backtracking? You carry that Primo sucks flag with pride!!! Lol

He’s shown very little if anything at the NBA level to date and I stand by that. If he sticks with the Spurs development process he probably has enough skill and the physical tools to have a fruitful NBA career.

That’s really always been my view. I don’t agree with the outlandish expectations that often get thrown around on here, although they have been tapered in recent months by some.

I also maintain he was a reach at 12 but his draft slot is a sunk cost at this point. Recent reports of PATFO seeing him as the PG of the future I still find puzzling.

Finally, your now famous line “Primo will be fine” I agree with. Just don’t see him as much more than role player over his career.

[GAustex]

He will stand in the corner and shoot when open
Lotto pick egh

[Vince Carter's ankle]

He will stand in the corner and shoot when open
Lotto pick egh
nope

[KingKev]

He will stand in the corner and shoot when open
Lotto pick egh

If he can hit them at a good clip and play some decent defence as a wing that’ll be a good year for him tbh. Well below most expectations but a fair goal post.

Maybe have a few games where he shows some of the court vision and shot creation most here rave about.

[Atl Spur]

He’s shown very little if anything at the NBA level to date and I stand by that. If he sticks with the Spurs development process he probably has enough skill and the physical tools to have a fruitful NBA career.

That’s really always been my view. I don’t agree with the outlandish expectations that often get thrown around on here, although they have been tapered in recent months by some.

I also maintain he was a reach at 12 but his draft slot is a sunk cost at this point. Recent reports of PATFO seeing him as the PG of the future I still find puzzling.

Finally, your now famous line “Primo will be fine” I agree with. Just don’t see him as much more than role player over his career.

The old play both sides game huh?? Lol the kid will be more than a role player….playa! Lol

[GAustex]

It’s not the pick it’s the picker

[Sugus]

He will stand in the corner and shoot when open
Lotto pick egh

Lol, he most definitely will not restrict his game to corner C&S's in the sophomore season of his career. Sink-or-swimming it, he'll continue to do more of what he did last season; handle the ball, attack closeouts/mismatches, try fancy passes, and just get reps in general. Expecting him to play a "Rockets-Eric Gordon" type of roleplayer game is to be let down by your own self, tbh.

No disrespect to corner shooting roleplayers either, btw, everyone's got a role. But Primo hasn't been that at the NBA level and there's no reason to think he'd regress to that anytime soon, either.

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Lol, he most definitely will not restrict his game to corner C&S's in the sophomore season of his career. Sink-or-swimming it, he'll continue to do more of what he did last season; handle the ball, attack closeouts/mismatches, try fancy passes, and just get reps in general. Expecting him to play a "Rockets-Eric Gordon" type of roleplayer game is to be let down by your own self, tbh.

No disrespect to corner shooting roleplayers either, btw, everyone's got a role. But Primo hasn't been that at the NBA level and there's no reason to think he'd regress to that anytime soon, either.

As ive posted several times before, he was the 3rd worst player in the league last year. Very hard to regress from there. He really has nowhere to go but up the list this year. And he will because he's been putting in work on his body and his game. But he's likely not going to be the attacking, slashing PG that Pop apparently envisions him as. He has shown zero ability to routinely break down his man and get to the rack and he won't because he's simply not quick.

His game will be from midrange and out if he's properly utilized. But I'd relax the language that makes him seem above anybody in the NBA until he at least shows that he's not among the worst of them.

[The Truth #6]

Next year I can see people complaining that Pop’s system/rigid approach/disdain for people walking on his lawn (et cetera) is the reason Primo isn’t playing better.

Or that he’s still really young and has barely hit puberty.

Or who knows.

But I feel confident that he will continue to be a divisive player.

But the season after this I think his role should become more clear and THEN we’ll see what he can do.

In short, I think the question for his role is greater than how much talent he does or does not possess.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

As ive posted several times before, he was the 3rd worst player in the league last year. Very hard to regress from there. He really has nowhere to go but up the list this year. And he will because he's been putting in work on his body and his game. But he's likely not going to be the attacking, slashing PG that Pop apparently envisions him as. He has shown zero ability to routinely break down his man and get to the rack and he won't because he's simply not quick.

His game will be from midrange and out if he's properly utilized. But I'd relax the language that makes him seem above anybody in the NBA until he at least shows that he's not among the worst of them.
Who, besides unnamed timvp sources, stated that Primo will play pg? Even in the summer league he was a secondary ballhandler.
By the way, in the G-League he coped well with the role of the main playmaker, and there the level of basketball is higher than in the summer league.

[Dejounte]

*says timvp is trustworthy*

*ignores the many times timvp has been wrong*

*only points to articles where timvp pats himself in the back*

same people who will say Obama has 3,000,000 confidential files because Trumpy said so

[Sugus]

As ive posted several times before, he was the 3rd worst player in the league last year. Very hard to regress from there. He really has nowhere to go but up the list this year. And he will because he's been putting in work on his body and his game. But he's likely not going to be the attacking, slashing PG that Pop apparently envisions him as. He has shown zero ability to routinely break down his man and get to the rack and he won't because he's simply not quick.

His game will be from midrange and out if he's properly utilized. But I'd relax the language that makes him seem above anybody in the NBA until he at least shows that he's not among the worst of them.

Jordan Poole was also bottom-of-the-league a couple seasons ago, without elite athleticism and such, and that didn't turn out half-bad, did it? I don't mean to compare the two, just saying being the "worst" of a top-of-the-world league, while you're still 18-19, is hardly a death sentence. Aside from that, I didn't mean "regress" in a statistical way, but in a playstyle sense, since that was the topic at hand. It's obviously a regression to go from a secondary/occasional lead ball handler's duties, pulling ISO moves, making dynamic plays, etc, to "stand in the corner and shoot when open", and I was simply discrediting the notion that Primo would play like that in the upcoming season. It simply makes no sense.

And that's beyond how quick, or skilled, or whatever, you might think he is. There's an edge to Primo's game that calls for ball-handling, and I'd be very surprised to see him in a strict 3&D role any time in his career. He's much more likely to simply flame out of the league if his shooting never becomes elite, his handle never improves, and his body doesn't edge him above the competition.

I agree that he's unproven and hardly a sure thing yet -- but that's irrelevant to the discussion, and the point I was making.

[The Truth #6]

*says timvp is trustworthy*

*ignores the many times timvp has been wrong*

*only points to articles where timvp pats himself in the back*

same people who will say Obama has 3,000,000 confidential files because Trumpy said so

I generally trust Timvp that he is reporting the best info he has while also not believing Trump at all. I mean, I think there’s a big middle ground.

[Dejounte]

I generally trust Timvp that he is reporting the best info he has while also not believing Trump at all. I mean, I think there’s a big middle ground.

Okay, but there is a difference between you and others who take his word as definite truth. No pun intended.

[Dejounte]

Any person who takes their actual time to make an article about the few times they are right is sketchy as hell— is all I’m saying. If that’s an unpopular opinion, so be it.

Let folks continue on their worship.

[KingKev]

Okay, but there is a difference between you and others who take his word as definite truth. No pun intended.

I’m puzzled by what was reported regarding Primo being PG of the future but Primo
is probably going to get alot of time there this year given the roster makeup, unless Wesley gets run early.

[The Truth #6]

Were those reports before Summer League? It’s possible the coaches have reassessed their opinion after what they saw in Summer League as far as Primo’s progress/abilities/shortcomings. More “data points” or whatever technocratic terminology that teams use.

[KingKev]

Were those reports before Summer League? It’s possible the coaches have reassessed their opinion after what the saw in Summer League. More “data points” or whatever technocratic terminology that teams use.

Pre summer league.

Primo shouldn’t even be starting this year unless he earns it. I’d much rather see Tre run the point to start the year.

[Atl Spur]

Let’s not over think this boys! Primo will continually get better over time to the point when some of you will either eat Crowe or change the narrative or he may just become a middle of the road nba journeyman! Either way, pick a side and quit trying to hedge your bets:)

[The Truth #6]

Let’s not over think this boys! Primo will continually get better over time to the point when some of you will either eat Crowe or change the narrative or he may just become a middle of the road nba journeyman! Either way, pick a side and quit trying to hedge your bets:)

Ok, but I can’t tell what side you’re taking other than “he’ll be fine”, to be honest. I mean, he signed a four contract worth millions. He’ll be fine in that sense. Lol.

[exstatic]

Next year I can see people complaining that Pop’s system/rigid approach/disdain for people walking on his lawn (et cetera) is the reason Primo isn’t playing better.

Or that he’s still really young and has barely hit puberty.

Or who knows.

But I feel confident that he will continue to be a divisive player.

But the season after this I think his role should become more clear and THEN we’ll see what he can do.

In short, I think the question for his role is greater than how much talent he does or does not possess.

With very few exceptions, our players either bust or bust out in the third year. DJ was delayed by his knee injury. People were trashing Keldon after year 2, then singing his praises after year 3. I look for Devin to make a huge jump this year like Keldon did last year. Primo might have a meh year 2 like Keldon, or a pretty good one like Devin. The key season, though, is year 3.

[KingKev]

With very few exceptions, our players either bust or bust out in the third year. DJ was delayed by his knee injury. People were trashing Keldon after year 2, then singing his praises after year 3. I look for Devin to make a huge jump this year like Keldon did last year. Primo might have a meh year 2 like Keldon, or a pretty good one like Devin. The key season, though, is year 3.

I see your point on the development curve but I’d argue circumstances matter. Primo is going to have lots of opportunity to show what he has this year. Probably more than any other second year player we have seen.

[The Truth #6]

Primo should get opportunities but might be fighting for minutes from…Jesus, McDermott, aka The Scrub? I guess I’m nor sure what position Buff Primo is angling towards…it feels like maybe SF.

He definitely seems like he has been given more opportunities than he has earned, like starting at the end last year. So yeah, his year might be more divisive because of this.

[KingKev]

Primo should get opportunities but might be fighting for minutes from…Jesus, McDermott, aka The Scrub? I guess I’m nor sure what position Buff Primo is angling towards…it feels like maybe SF.

He definitely seems like he has been given more opportunities than he has earned, like starting at the end last year. So yeah, his year might be more divisive because of this.

He’s going to be well in front of Branham and Wesley for minutes at the 1/2.

Keldon probably continues to start at the 4, if JRich is moved there is going to be a ton of time for Primo at the 1, 2 and 3. Won’t be surprised to see him get 20-25 mins a night from the jump. For me that moves up his development timeline. Time to show something, far too many you g guys in the pipeline who may be more deserving.

[Atl Spur]

And so it begins……..

[Atl Spur]

Ok, but I can’t tell what side you’re taking other than “he’ll be fine”, to be honest. I mean, he signed a four contract worth millions. He’ll be fine in that sense. Lol.

Really? I created this thread in support of the player as well as outlined my beliefs regarding the player……