spurs trade rumors

[mo7888]

Looks like the Nets aren’t gonna put it together this season. Mikal Bridges is having a down year and not playing great lately. He’s a guy who I think would fit well here. I’d be interested in what they’d want for him. Cam Johnson to a lesser extent. Dinwiddie is looking worse but kinda sorta would fill a need but his shooting percentage is pretty bad. Nets could be selling soon.

They turned down 4 firsts for Mikal last offseason, but id guess they were all protected to a certain extent.. Probably a better chance to make a run at him in the offseason using a player and couple unprotected picks.

[Mr. Body]

Looks like the Nets aren’t gonna put it together this season. Mikal Bridges is having a down year and not playing great lately. He’s a guy who I think would fit well here. I’d be interested in what they’d want for him. Cam Johnson to a lesser extent. Dinwiddie is looking worse but kinda sorta would fill a need but his shooting percentage is pretty bad. Nets could be selling soon.

They're in a tough spot at the moment, owing Houston their next three picks (starting this year) with the middle one being a swap. They're in a soft rebuild, yet they crushed OKC at home last night. I don't think Bridges is going anywhere - he's a model citizen esp compared to the Durant-Kyrie-Harden circus. Dinwiddie expires this year. They have too many SFs and could be active there in the trade market.

[DPG21920]

Who are we talking about for that package? White, Bridges, Siakam? Etc

Lauri

[Death In June]

Didn’t Pop say in an interview that he wasn’t interested in trades this year because they were at the bottom of the standings? I think he was pretty derisive when the thought even came up. He seems to be cool with not trying to improve the team going into next year.

[Mr. Body]

Didn’t Pop say in an interview that he wasn’t interested in trades this year because they were at the bottom of the standings? I think he was pretty derisive when the thought even came up. He seems to be cool with not trying to improve the team going into next year.

I don't think they're making any big moves during the year.

[mo7888]

I don't think they're making any big moves during the year.

I don't either unless something intriguing pops up participating in a 3 team deal. IF that were to happen I'd guess it would involve bending LA over...

[spurraider21]

They turned down 4 firsts for Mikal last offseason, but id guess they were all protected to a certain extent.. Probably a better chance to make a run at him in the offseason using a player and couple unprotected picks.
i trust those reports as far as i can throw them

[scott]

Didn’t Pop say in an interview that he wasn’t interested in trades this year because they were at the bottom of the standings? I think he was pretty derisive when the thought even came up. He seems to be cool with not trying to improve the team going into next year.

This isn't specific to Pop or the Spurs, but this is also the problem with the HC being the GM or having authority over the GM (as is the case with the Spurs), IMO. Of course, it is a matter of preference, but I think a team works best when there are separation of powers that collaborate to form a partnership. Specific to the Spurs, I could easily see stubborn Pop not interested in even looking at opportunities or knowing what's out there - but it's the GM's job to do that and make moves to improve the team. Wright will be hamstrung in that sense because of the organizational structure.

Wright deserves a lot of criticism for drafting and roster construction, but I do think he has done really well when it comes to trades.

[baseline bum]

i trust those reports as far as i can throw them

It's funny cause throws like girl

[baseline bum]

This isn't specific to Pop or the Spurs, but this is also the problem with the HC being the GM or having authority over the GM (as is the case with the Spurs), IMO. Of course, it is a matter of preference, but I think a team works best when there are separation of powers that collaborate to form a partnership. Specific to the Spurs, I could easily see stubborn Pop not interested in even looking at opportunities or knowing what's out there - but it's the GM's job to do that and make moves to improve the team. Wright will be hamstrung in that sense because of the organizational structure.

Wright deserves a lot of criticism for drafting and roster construction, but I do think he has done really well when it comes to trades.

Are we sure Pop has much say with GM moves? One my friends (4down RIP) told me he was sitting next to RC at a game in like 2011 and when Bonner + Blair were stinking up the joint he asked RC why Splitter wasn't getting minutes and said RC just gave this frustrated look towards Pop but wouldn't say a word about it. :lol

[scott]

Are we sure Pop has much say with GM moves? One my friends (4down RIP) told me he was sitting next to RC at a game in like 2011 and when Bonner + Blair were stinking up the joint he asked RC why Splitter wasn't getting minutes and said RC just gave this frustrated look towards Pop but wouldn't say a word about it. :lol

Maybe Pop doesn't elect to have much direct say in GM moves anymore, but he is still Wright's boss - so he may be able to simply say "hey Brian, no need for any trades" and be done with it. This, of course, is all just speculation. But I generally do not like the circular nature of Coach Pop reporting to GM Wright who reports to President Pop.

I much prefer this kind of arrangement:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwmsSAvkzGE

[spurraider21]

love moneyball, but also love how that movie completes ignores the existence of Miguel Tejada, who won league MVP that year, Barry Zito, who won the Cy Young award that year, and also Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, Eric Chavez, Jermaine Dye (basically their 3 best pitchers and 4 best hitters did not exist in the movie). just pretends it was entirely a band of misfits :lol

plus theres no truth to the hatteberg/pena controversy

[baseline bum]

love moneyball, but also love how that movie completes ignores the existence of Miguel Tejada, who won league MVP that year, Barry Zito, who won the Cy Young award that year, and also Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, Eric Chavez, Jermaine Dye (basically their 3 best pitchers and 4 best hitters did not exist in the movie). just pretends it was entirely a band of misfits :lol

plus theres no truth to the hatteberg/pena controversy

Just picturing Branham in the locker room dancing to Parliament with his pants down after the game and Pop walking in, smashing the boombox, and asking if giving up 140 to the other team is fun. Though in reality 2024 Pop would have just dozed off in his office after the game.

[spurraider21]

Just picturing Branham in the locker room dancing to Parliament with his pants down after the game and Pop walking in, smashing the boombox, and asking if giving up 140 to the other team is fun. Though in reality 2024 Pop would have just dozed off in his office after the game.
would be funny if there were 2 pops. coach pop and ceo pop. coach pop finally benches Branham and ceo Pop promptly trades Tre Jones for a 2028 second rounder.

CEO: you're playing Malaki at point today
coach: no i'm not. i'm playing Tre. its my decision
CEO: well you cant play Tre. he's been traded to the Kings

[baseline bum]

would be funny if there were 2 pops. coach pop and ceo pop. coach pop finally benches Branham and ceo Pop promptly trades Tre Jones for a 2028 second rounder

CEO Pop asks BWrong if we're better with Tre or with Sochan at point and Wrong tells him it's close, but Sochan.

[gambit1990]

This is literally the dumbest time to. I cannot think if a worse time to trade picks than when you are one of the worst teams in history.
i think this small market team has a better chance acquiring talent via trade rather than drafting even younger players to put around wemby.

i would think differently if wemby wasn’t the generational talent that he is … wemby can win now, he doesn’t need years to develop.

if wemby was a rookie SGA then yeah, there’s years to wait.

[gambit1990]

wemby is arguably a better draft prospect than lebron james. let that sink in.

i try to make wemby happy now. he might lose RotY. if he does, he’ll say all the right things but none of us know how much that might bother him.

[exstatic]

wemby is arguably a better draft prospect than lebron james. let that sink in.

i try to make wemby happy now. he might lose RotY. if he does, he’ll say all the right things but none of us know how much that might bother him.

And they surrounded LeBron with vets, they didn’t win, and he left. Let that sink in.

[spurraider21]

shams says mavs "showing interest" in siakam

[spurraider21]

And they surrounded LeBron with vets, they didn’t win, and he left. Let that sink in.
a 34 year old antawn jamison, 37 year old shaq, 34 year old anthony parker

these are not exactly the moves that create winning expectations. the best teammate lebron ever had in cleveland was what, mo williams?

its one thing to bring in vets who can still hoop at a high level, like the spurs did with diaw. cleveland did shit with lebron for his first stint and he left for greener pastures.

[SpursBills]

a 34 year old antawn jamison, 37 year old shaq, 34 year old anthony parker

these are not exactly the moves that create winning expectations. the best teammate lebron ever had in cleveland was what, mo williams?

its one thing to bring in vets who can still hoop at a high level, like the spurs did with diaw. cleveland did shit with lebron for his first stint and he left for greener pastures.

The biggest difference between these spurs and lebron's cavs are the hawks picks over the next 3 years thank god. But lebron's future in cleveland was probably already done by summer 2004. Boozer signed with the Jazz, the Cavs drafted Luke Jackson with the 10th pick right after Iguodala came off the board, and after that the cavs got too good. Mo williams wasn't going to move the needle in 2008. That's why this year's draft matters so much and it's unfortunate that it's so weak. There will probably never be a better opportunity to get Wemby the 2nd banana he needs.

[gambit1990]

And they surrounded LeBron with vets, they didn’t win, and he left. Let that sink in.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/13ATyLQB0rLVzG/giphy.gif


a 34 year old antawn jamison, 37 year old shaq, 34 year old anthony parker

these are not exactly the moves that create winning expectations. the best teammate lebron ever had in cleveland was what, mo williams?

its one thing to bring in vets who can still hoop at a high level, like the spurs did with diaw. cleveland did shit with lebron for his first stint and he left for greener pastures.
http://comeoncraig.tumblr.com/post/42332320169/buns-for-a-textbook-and-some-candy-though-i-need

[gambit1990]

the cavs didn't go the draft route like the thunder, lebron was able to pull their record way up in a super weak eastern conference.

lebron bolted because the FO made all the wrong moves. they just brought in old ass, washed up players.

[gambit1990]

shame on exstatic, he should know better.

i'm talking about acquiring a prime pascal siakam. not donyell marshall :lmao

[onechance87]

would trade a two second rounders for dennis schroder....would be upgrade over branham and tre jones

[rankingtear]

i think this small market team has a better chance acquiring talent via trade rather than drafting even younger players to put around wemby.

i would think differently if wemby wasn’t the generational talent that he is … wemby can win now, he doesn’t need years to develop.

if wemby was a rookie SGA then yeah, there’s years to wait.

There are too many buyers right now. There is no value to be had.

[Ocotillo]

I'll put this here instead of Mo's trade ideas thread since this would be classified as a rumor.

https://twitter.com/RunItBackFDTV/status/1744741524901093754

[spurraider21]

Do it

[Dhbsr555]

What’s the cost

[NASpurs]

I rather trade for Murray than draft a PG in this draft. As we all know, that position is the hardest to learn.

I rather use our draft pick on a SF or PF.

[Big Empty]

I rather trade for Murray than draft a PG in this draft. As we all know, that position is the hardest to learn.

I rather use our draft pick on a SF or PF. i agree. What if they want our own pick though for Murray. A top 3 pick most likely. Do you trade that?

[mo7888]

i agree. What if they want our own pick though for Murray. A top 3 pick most likely. Do you trade that?

Probably...another option might be giving them the lesser of our 25 and 27 picks + filler. They'd probably be my preference..

[exstatic]

i agree. What if they want our own pick though for Murray. A top 3 pick most likely. Do you trade that?

No. We can easily outbid LA with just the Charlotte pick, the Chicago pick, and maybe one of our own, down the line. The Lakers only have one FRP available to trade.

The problem with going with Murray is that he’s 27. That’s 7 years older than Wemby. Duncan was only 5 years older than Parker, and that seemed like the Grand Canyon. I want another big three, and while Wemby can play another 15 years, God willing, Dejounte can’t.

[mo7888]

No. We can easily outbid LA with just the Charlotte pick, the Chicago pick, and maybe one of our own, down the line. The Lakers only have one FRP available to trade.

The problem with going with Murray is that he’s 27. That’s 7 years older than Wemby. Duncan was only 5 years older than Parker, and that seemed like the Grand Canyon. I want another big three, and while Wemby can play another 15 years, God willing, Dejounte can’t.

Is LA the competition here? I thought it was the Knicks.

[rascal]

No, Spurs have enough draft picks to find their future pg.

Atlanta isn't giving him back to the Spurs on the cheap.

[Mr. Body]

Murray doesn't want to play in SA anyway.

[Payote75]

I'd rather trade whatever assets are needed for Cade Cunningham besides Wemby and Vassell

[gambit1990]

I'll put this here instead of Mo's trade ideas thread since this would be classified as a rumor.

https://twitter.com/RunItBackFDTV/status/1744741524901093754
i was against this at first but i'm pretty for it now.

his contract is not bad at all. you can use the rest of the season to see how he meshes with wemby.

and the spurs could always trade him again in the future tbh.

[Phenomanul]

^^^ that was pretty much my reaction.

Dejounte plays on both sides of the ball.

[spurraider21]

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[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1745211981496529080

[Mr. Body]

Warriors and Lakers have to make a move this season. Lakers getting crushed by the Suns right now at home, with Phoenix mercilessly hunting Austin Reaves. Much ballyhooed offseason looks like the crap-haul I thought it was.

Really feels like Dejounte will get over to the LAL. I can see Siakam going to GSW. If a package with Reaves moves Murray, Lakers have to laugh all the way to sign the papers. Not even sure what else they have to offer. This team sucks. As for the Warriors, I can see Kuminga and Moody going north of the border.

Anyway... we're seeing the end of some long careers here. These teams are barely competing for a play-in spot as it is. For the deadline, I wonder if the Spurs can grease the wheels somewhere.

[sananspursfan21]

Clutch points just dropped an “article” about Trae Young’s “interest” in playing alongside Wemby. You know there’s no legs to it yet it gets you a little hot and bothered

[CGD]

Warriors and Lakers have to make a move this season. Lakers getting crushed by the Suns right now at home, with Phoenix mercilessly hunting Austin Reaves. Much ballyhooed offseason looks like the crap-haul I thought it was.

Really feels like Dejounte will get over to the LAL. I can see Siakam going to GSW. If a package with Reaves moves Murray, Lakers have to laugh all the way to sign the papers. Not even sure what else they have to offer. This team sucks. As for the Warriors, I can see Kuminga and Moody going north of the border.

Anyway... we're seeing the end of some long careers here. These teams are barely competing for a play-in spot as it is. For the deadline, I wonder if the Spurs can grease the wheels somewhere.

Remember when people were pissed we didn’t sign Reeves to a mega deal? Dude is fine but has come back down to earth this season. Spurs looking like they made the right choice.

[CGD]

Clutch points just dropped an “article” about Trae Young’s “interest” in playing alongside Wemby. You know there’s no legs to it yet it gets you a little hot and bothered

Lol clutch points

[Mr. Body]

Remember when people were pissed we didn’t sign Reeves to a mega deal? Dude is fine but has come back down to earth this season. Spurs looking like they made the right choice.

People were legit outraged the Spurs didn't throw a huge wad at him. Then it was pointed out the Lakers would match anyway. Then they were outraged the Spurs didn't force the Lakers to spend more for him, as if the Spurs were children following another set of children around stepping on the backs of their shoes instead of having moves of their own to do. The real reason, anyway, was the real risk the Spurs would be stuck paying way, way too much for this guy.

[TheGreatYacht]

Zach Collins YOU are a Golden State Warrior!

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[cd98]

People were legit outraged the Spurs didn't throw a huge wad at him. Then it was pointed out the Lakers would match anyway. Then they were outraged the Spurs didn't force the Lakers to spend more for him, as if the Spurs were children following another set of children around stepping on the backs of their shoes instead of having moves of their own to do. The real reason, anyway, was the real risk the Spurs would be stuck paying way, way too much for this guy.

Not that I ever advocated for the Spurs to sign him, but he's a good player. Not worth the money the Lakers paid him, but I'd bet he'd be solid on the Spurs. He'd probably be our starting two guard. I don't think people were wrong for wanting him, but from everything I read, he was using the Spurs to get a better deal and always wanted to be in LA, like just about every player in the NBA.

[exstatic]

Not that I ever advocated for the Spurs to sign him, but he's a good player. Not worth the money the Lakers paid him, but I'd bet he'd be solid on the Spurs. He'd probably be our starting two guard. I don't think people were wrong for wanting him, but from everything I read, he was using the Spurs to get a better deal and always wanted to be in LA, like just about every player in the NBA.

He was a good player last year, now he’s mid.

[CGD]

Not that I ever advocated for the Spurs to sign him, but he's a good player. Not worth the money the Lakers paid him, but I'd bet he'd be solid on the Spurs. He'd probably be our starting two guard. I don't think people were wrong for wanting him, but from everything I read, he was using the Spurs to get a better deal and always wanted to be in LA, like just about every player in the NBA.

On the contrary, the Lakers got a great of a deal for him. Bill Simmons and Celtics homers were mad the Spurs didn't "price enforce" to make the Lakers match a much, much larger deal. Reave's play this year, while not terrible, is showing why the Spurs were right not to engage in that business. Simmons and those guys can go eat a dick.

[CGD]

Zach Collins YOU are a Golden State Warrior!

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He does fit the description. I still really like Zach, and would be sad to see him go. I also dont immediately like anything the Warriors would have to offer aside from a very distant FRP.

[BacktoBasics]

He does fit the description. I still really like Zach, and would be sad to see him go. I also dont immediately like anything the Warriors would have to offer aside from a very distant FRP.

Moody is a guy that should be much further into their rotation than they give him.

[Mr. Body]

I would take Reaves on this team, all things neutral. He is a good player. He just got the 'Talen Horton-Tucker, Everybody On The Lakers Is Awesome' overrated bump to a thousand degrees.

[spurraider21]

I would take Reaves on this team, all things neutral. He is a good player. He just got the 'Talen Horton-Tucker, Everybody On The Lakers Is Awesome' overrated bump to a thousand degrees.
In the last decade or so, young laker guys have generally panned out quite well tbh

jordan clarskon, Josh hart, julius randle, Alex Caruso, ivica zubac, lonzo, ingram. Even some guys that flowed through like Malik monk, kcp.

there’s not exactly a huge track record of overrated lakers players that signed big deals elsewhere and flopped

Reaves isn’t playing as well he was at his highest notes last year but he’s still outperforming his contract

[TheGreatYacht]

He does fit the description. I still really like Zach, and would be sad to see him go. I also dont immediately like anything the Warriors would have to offer aside from a very distant FRP.
Just remembered Collins is untradeable until the off-season for god knows what reason

[cd98]

On the contrary, the Lakers got a great of a deal for him. Bill Simmons and Celtics homers were mad the Spurs didn't "price enforce" to make the Lakers match a much, much larger deal. Reave's play this year, while not terrible, is showing why the Spurs were right not to engage in that business. Simmons and those guys can go eat a dick.

Ha, I'll bet Austin Reeves was pissed too! But I can't hate on Simmons as he is for "screw LA" in every scenario, which I think is more than fair given their history of using agents and players to steal star players from other teams.

[cd98]

I think Barlow is getting better and better and Bassey will be back next season. Does that make Collins expendable? Wemby at center has been so dominant that once the Spurs play him at 35 minutes a game, there really will not be much room for Collins. I think Collins is definitely worth at least an unprotected first rounder. I don't know if I like anyone on that Warriors roster except Curry, so I don't see that the Spurs would trade him for a package of players. It would have to be a draft pick. I'm not sure they could squeeze two picks out of him, but he probably is worth more than one pick even though the Spurs got him for essentially nothing.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should get rid of Collins ASAP in the offseason. They need a rim running shotblocker off the bench a la Claxton, Robert Williams, Poeltl

[onechance87]

Spurs should get rid of Collins ASAP in the offseason. They need a rim running shotblocker off the bench a la Claxton, Robert Williams, Poeltl

what about isiah hartenstein

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn0_RIyioIc

[mo7888]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn0_RIyioIc

So, he's insinuating that Trae's camp is putting this out there... that's interesting..

[JeffDuncan]

Spurs should get rid of Collins ASAP in the offseason. They need a rim running shotblocker off the bench a la Claxton, Robert Williams, Poeltl


Unfortunately, the $18M contract for Collins will be hard to move. If he comes back with consistently good 3pt shooting that would help a lot, but it’s probably too much to expect. The Spurs will likely have Zollins for the duration of that contract.

I agree the Spurs should replace Zollins, as you say, but I have no confidence that they can.

[Spurs Homer]

that trae young tease is just cruel to spurs fans lol

[Seventyniner]

If Trae to the Spurs really is a thing, the Spurs would rather do it during the offseason so their horrendous start to the season doesn't end up in like the 8th pick, but the Hawks would want to do it ASAP so they can get their tank on this season.

[JeffDuncan]

So, he's insinuating that Trae's camp is putting this out there... that's interesting..


Info on Trae, just FYI for anyone who wonders.

Age 25.

Contract:

2023-24, $40,064,220
2024-25, $43,031,940
2025-26, $45,999,660
2026-27, $48,967,380

No player or team options. It’s what you’d expect for a franchise star player.

The Spurs would need to be certain he’s what they want.

Potentially, Trae could be outstanding with Wemby on the offensive end, very tough for an opponent to handle.

Trae would need defensive help, that is, he’d need to be part of a well coached defense.

[JeffDuncan]

what about isiah hartenstein


Hartenstein, current contract $9.2M, UFA this summer, get him if possible, I would say. He’s been worth it as a good backup and a replacement starter.

He’s on track to get several bids this summer, tho. He’ll probably have a choice of teams.

[CGD]

Zach Lowe had a quick reference to the DJM rumor on his podcast today, and they briefly also mused about Trae Young.

[MannyIsGod]

Zach Collins YOU are a Golden State Warrior!

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Honestly I would love to offload Zach to them.

[MannyIsGod]

Just remembered Collins is untradeable until the off-season for god knows what reason

Well fuck.

[SPURt]

Am I the only one that likes Barlow and feel he could be a solid backup center going forward?

[Mr. Body]

Am I the only one that likes Barlow and feel he could be a solid backup center going forward?

He's doing well. Last year at this time he was changing minds. A lot of us thinking he could actually be a player in this league. His development has been great.

[spurraider21]

the implication being that somebody is calling? lol

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[Seventyniner]

the implication being that somebody is calling? lol

Gotta stockpile all the second round draft picks you can!

[Kevin]

I'd love to get in on a three team deal between the Lakers and Hawks if the Spurs can land Reaves. Seems unlikely to happen. Hawks honestly should blow it up if they decide to trade Murray. It makes more sense long term.

[CorrectCrusader]

If Trae is available you absolutely go for him. He's young & incredible. You don't get superstars available that often.

[CGD]

the implication being that somebody is calling? lol

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As they should. A playoff team should want either as their 8-9 depth guy. Winning teams always seem to have a player like that get hot for a clutch game or stint in a game at key moments. I always think of Steve Kerr in 2003 v Dallas.

[Mr. Body]

I'd have to think Cedi will draw some interest. Not sure there's much for Dougie, but wouldn't be surprised. Like, a rocky bench like PHX could definitely use Osman.

[td4mvp2k]

If Trae is available you absolutely go for him. He's young & incredible. You don't get superstars available that often.
def a great window for the spurs. just hope he leaves that diva crap at the door.

[CGD]

I'd have to think Cedi will draw some interest. Not sure there's much for Dougie, but wouldn't be surprised. Like, a rocky bench like PHX could definitely use Osman.

And the Lakers with their shooting issues, could use Doug.

[tbdog]

Fuck, if trae is available, you absolutely get him. I would start my bid with all those ALT picks back, plus 2 unprotected spurs 1st and unprotected 1st swap, then match salary.

[mo7888]

Fuck, if trae is available, you absolutely get him. I would start my bid with all those ALT picks back, plus 2 unprotected spurs 1st and unprotected 1st swap, then match salary.

I like Trae, but you're kidding right?

[jjspur]

Fuck, if trae is available, you absolutely get him. I would start my bid with all those ALT picks back, plus 2 unprotected spurs 1st and unprotected 1st swap, then match salary.

We all know Trae is good, but he aint that good certainly not like 5 picks and salary swap good. If he was all that, he wouldn't be on the market. Pass on that little diva.

[tbdog]

We all know Trae is good, but he aint that good certainly not like 5 picks and salary swap good. If he was all that, he wouldn't be on the market. Pass on that little diva.

What would your price be? Murray fetched 2+swap+1 protected. Durant was 4+swap+2 role players + bridges. Lillard got 1+2swaps+holiday and ayton.
Mitchell cost 3+2 swaps + Lauri and sexton.

To get a top 5 pg in the league, I think it'll cost 3 to 5 assests. That's the rate for good players.

[BacktoBasics]

What would your price be? Murray fetched 2+swap+1 protected. Durant was 4+swap+2 role players + bridges. Lillard got 1+2swaps+holiday and ayton.
Mitchell cost 3+2 swaps + Lauri and sexton.

To get a top 5 pg in the league, I think it'll cost 3 to 5 assests. That's the rate for good players.

This is the right path to assessing. I think you have to consider the core and how they would work with Trae. IMO Vassell, Keldon would immediately benefit from Trae. Sochan next.

It feels like a real debate about much we’d be willing to sacrifice pick wise because our rotation pieces rise in value significantly with his presence.

It’s as if our pieces are all the things missing from ATL’s lineup and the one thing that didn’t work(a Murray type player) is the very thing we don’t have.

[Seventyniner]

Getting Trae will cost more than the Spurs got for Murray. Anything less (even just sending the Hawks their picks and swap back) would be seen as getting fleeced a second time by the same team.

[baseline bum]

Fuck, if trae is available, you absolutely get him. I would start my bid with all those ALT picks back, plus 2 unprotected spurs 1st and unprotected 1st swap, then match salary.

No... that's the kind of draft capital you'd give up for Giannis or SGA

[Chinook]

I wish I could impress on folks how much timing matters in trades. The Spurs should have a very short list of players they're willing to trade for this season. Basically, if you aren't willing to trade at least a top-four pick for the player, they aren't worth it. Like if the Sixers went crazy and decided to trade Maxey, you make that deal 100/100. I would say the same for Young, though with more reluctance given his salary and what players would have to go the other way just to make the numbers work. We're talking superstars or absolute blue-chip prospects. Otherwise, you get the picks then look to add later. That logic holds even if you would have to pay a good deal more by waiting. The team can afford that way more than they can afford fucking up this season's picks.

[Frenchfred]

What would your price be? Murray fetched 2+swap+1 protected. Durant was 4+swap+2 role players + bridges. Lillard got 1+2swaps+holiday and ayton.
Mitchell cost 3+2 swaps + Lauri and sexton.

To get a top 5 pg in the league, I think it'll cost 3 to 5 assests. That's the rate for good players.

a top5 PG who can’t defend and doesn’t shoot that well and will take a huge chunk of the payroll, that’s a lot of assets.

[tbdog]

a top5 PG who can’t defend and doesn’t shoot that well and will take a huge chunk of the payroll, that’s a lot of assets.

Is he a top 5 pg or is he not a top 5 plus all those things you've mentioned?

He just had seven in a row 30+10 games, tying Oscar for the record. He avg 36% from three at 9 attempts. Since the 19/20 season, he has been top three in assist per game for the league.

So, is he a top 5 pg? Or is there another pg that's better than him that the Spurs can realistically get?

The way I see it. He'll likely be the Spurs best three point shooter. Best shot creator. Best passer. And a pg. All things the Spurs actually need right now and in the future. Plus he compliments Wemby.

[buttsR4rebounding]

If Young does become available the Spurs would have the inside track. Hawks would be going full tank mode and their own first round picks the next 3 years would be the most valuable assets they could get. Plus there are very few teams with multiple 1st round picks to trade and the need for a PG.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I wonder if folks have actually watched Trae Young play. He's more of a floor raiser but he doesn't move the needle when it comes to contending.

He's the very epitome of chucking. He's inefficient. He's 11th on his own team in effective FG%. He doesn't play defense, like at all. He doesn't move when he's off the ball. He has some positives but he's definitely not worth the price. I see people compare him to Jamal Murray, and thus Jokic-Murray to Wemby-Trae, but this is far off the mark. Murray is much more efficient, bigger, plays more team basketball on both ends and isn't a defensive weak point that teams can target and exploit.

This is not to say Young wouldn't make the team better in the short term, but he's as far away from a title building piece as it gets, because they'd be throwing their assets on a fool's gold chucker.

[exstatic]

If you throw all of the assets at Trae, and it doesn’t work, you’ve closed the championship window on Victor in his early 20s. No one will come here as a FA, and we will have no way to get a high pick. The reality is that we don’t need a 30 point scorer, because Victor will be that 30 point scorer, since he’s scoring about a point a minute. The only thing that can stop that is a heliocentric chucker taking the ball out of his hands. We need an opportunistic scorer who can defend at an high level and feed Victor the ball. That’s it.

[scott]

I think this is one of those situations where it is easy to see how Trae would be a really nice fit with Wemby and our other players and it might might a lot of sense... but the combination of the price and the riskiness of such a gamble is too high to pull the trigger.

But man... after seeing the lobs Trae can put up for guys like Capela and Jalen Johnson... you can just imagine how special it might be with Wemby. With that said, the Spurs really seemed to figure out their lob game today in the second half, and it was great to see.

[Mr. Body]

Nah to Trae for the reasons above. I'm unsure about trading picks, but clearly the team needs a perimeter guy who can get buckets if Vassell isn't going to step up. But giving up lots of picks for a maybe fit isn't the way to go.

[Frenchfred]

Is he a top 5 pg or is he not a top 5 plus all those things you've mentioned?

He just had seven in a row 30+10 games, tying Oscar for the record. He avg 36% from three at 9 attempts. Since the 19/20 season, he has been top three in assist per game for the league.

So, is he a top 5 pg? Or is there another pg that's better than him that the Spurs can realistically get?

The way I see it. He'll likely be the Spurs best three point shooter. Best shot creator. Best passer. And a pg. All things the Spurs actually need right now and in the future. Plus he compliments Wemby.

Is he shooting 42%? Yes, he is. He is a bad shooter and he doesn't defend. He is going to make 43 millions next year. Do the Spurs want to empty all their 1st round picks, not just the Atlanta back? It is going to take all of them plus probably the Spurs own 25 and 26 1st pick to get him?

For PG, I would take SGA, Doncic, Haliburton, Maxey, Curry, Jamal Murray, Fox ahead of Young.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/ringer/status/1746923508289114377?s=20

[CGD]

^ wouldn’t it be something if the Spurs, functionally, end up trading DJM for Trae Young?

[vy65]

Is he shooting 42%? Yes, he is. He is a bad shooter and he doesn't defend. He is going to make 43 millions next year. Do the Spurs want to empty all their 1st round picks, not just the Atlanta back? It is going to take all of them plus probably the Spurs own 25 and 26 1st pick to get him?

For PG, I would take SGA, Doncic, Haliburton, Maxey, Curry, Jamal Murray, Fox ahead of Young.

None of those guys are available. DJM is, and the rumblings are that Trae is as well. There is a great fit with Young and Wembanyama. Ostensibly, Wright should be a shrewd negotiator - and - if there’s a deal that leaves some draft capital with us, then they absolutely should pursue that. The outright “no” to Trae is peak spursfan.

[LeBowen]

If you exclude absolutely untouchable players like SGA and Haliburton, Trae amd Garland are the only two point guards that fit the timeline.
Even if you look at older point guards, there aren't many in 25-30 range.

We either get Trae or hope to draft a point guard who'd be a star right away.
Trae is a perfect fit next to Wemby and Spurs can trade for him while keeping all their picks.
It definitely won't happen mid-season but Spurs are the only hope Hawks have.
They failed and won't be a contender. Trae probably won't he happy with parennial first round or not even making the playoffs.
And if they blow it up, Spurs get them back on track easily.

There are way too many Presti fans that would hoard assets forever.
Something needs to happen this summer. Having another embarrassing season would be fatal, that's how you become the Pistons.
And what's this about trading away all the assets? The most they can get is four, maybe five picks.
Three of their own and one or two more. Spurs have 13 total. You make it sound we wouldn't be able to draft anyone until Wemby is 30.

With that being said, I don't really like Trae, but we like what we have approach has ran it's course.

[vy65]

Make of this what you will

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[rascal]

This is the right path to assessing. I think you have to consider the core and how they would work with Trae. IMO Vassell, Keldon would immediately benefit from Trae. Sochan next.

It feels like a real debate about much we’d be willing to sacrifice pick wise because our rotation pieces rise in value significantly with his presence.

It’s as if our pieces are all the things missing from ATL’s lineup and the one thing that didn’t work(a Murray type player) is the very thing we don’t have.

I also heard how everyone would improve with Wemby.

Things don't work out like that.

[tbdog]

Is he shooting 42%? Yes, he is. He is a bad shooter and he doesn't defend. He is going to make 43 millions next year. Do the Spurs want to empty all their 1st round picks, not just the Atlanta back? It is going to take all of them plus probably the Spurs own 25 and 26 1st pick to get him?

For PG, I would take SGA, Doncic, Haliburton, Maxey, Curry, Jamal Murray, Fox ahead of Young.

SGA, probably not a point and ungettable. Haliburton has same pros and cons as Trae and ungettable. Maxey, serious? Curry of course, but much older and ungettable. Trae clearly over Murray. Fox, maybe on par maybe not, different skill set and ungettable.

[TD 21]

I could see both sides of the argument for Young and don't really have a strong preference either way.


SGA, probably not a point and ungettable. Haliburton has same pros and cons as Trae and ungettable. Maxey, serious? Curry of course, but much older and ungettable. Trae clearly over Murray. Fox, maybe on par maybe not, different skill set and ungettable.

Excluding lead/go-to ball handlers (Doncic, James, Booker, Mitchell, Harden) who don't primarily defend the position . . .

Tier 1: Gilgeous-Alexander
Tier 2: Haliburton
Tier 3: Curry, Lillard, Morant, Young, Fox, Irving, Brunson, Maxey, J. Murray
Tier 4: Ball, Garland

[RC_Drunkford]

If you throw all of the assets at Trae, and it doesn’t work, you’ve closed the championship window on Victor in his early 20s. No one will come here as a FA, and we will have no way to get a high pick. The reality is that we don’t need a 30 point scorer, because Victor will be that 30 point scorer, since he’s scoring about a point a minute. The only thing that can stop that is a heliocentric chucker taking the ball out of his hands. We need an opportunistic scorer who can defend at an high level and feed Victor the ball. That’s it.

you don't burn all your assets. You trade those picks that aren't yours anyway. The Spurs would still have their own picks for other trades and probably a couple extra 2nd rounders.

Ain't you the same guy that was running around here saying "the Spurs can't draft 3 guys in the same draft cause they don't have the staff to develop that many players at the same time?" But you don't want to trade all those extra picks?

[exstatic]

you don't burn all your assets. You trade those picks that aren't yours anyway. The Spurs would still have their own picks for other trades and probably a couple extra 2nd rounders.

Ain't you the same guy that was running around here saying "the Spurs can't draft 3 guys in the same draft cause they don't have the staff to develop that many players at the same time?" But you don't want to trade all those extra picks?

Our “own picks” will be in the 20s, and not in a position to get another star playerifitdoesnt work out. I don’t necessarily want to keep all of those picks. Mikal Bridges would be a good target for a couple of them. Maybe Brogdon, too. Any of the CHA, CHI, or the 27 ATL pick would be on the table. I am absolutely against trading either our pick this year, the Toronto pick, or the 25 ATL pick or the 26 ATL swap. Those are the gold we mine for our future after a transitional period with the Bridges or Brogdon type players to bridge the training period for our high picks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Our “own picks” will be in the 20s, and not in a position to get another star playerifitdoesnt work out. I don’t necessarily want to keep all of those picks. Mikal Bridges would be a good target for a couple of them. Maybe Brogdon, too. Any of the CHA, CHI, or the 27 ATL pick would be on the table. I am absolutely against trading either our pick this year, the Toronto pick, or the 25 ATL pick or the 26 ATL swap. Those are the gold we mine for our future after a transitional period with the Bridges or Brogdon type players to bridge the training period for our high picks.

nobody said the Spurs should use their own picks to draft players. They should be used to trade for a star obviously. So even if you aquired Young, you could still maneuver trading your own draft picks. You didn't burn all your assets. That's the point.

And yes the Raptors pick and the ATL 25 and 26 swap are the most valuable picks obviously, but if I can get a star PG I'll trade some of them.

[baseline bum]

Our “own picks” will be in the 20s, and not in a position to get another star playerifitdoesnt work out. I don’t necessarily want to keep all of those picks. Mikal Bridges would be a good target for a couple of them. Maybe Brogdon, too. Any of the CHA, CHI, or the 27 ATL pick would be on the table. I am absolutely against trading either our pick this year, the Toronto pick, or the 25 ATL pick or the 26 ATL swap. Those are the gold we mine for our future after a transitional period with the Bridges or Brogdon type players to bridge the training period for our high picks.

You think you're getting someone like Bridges for the Atlanta 27 pick and change? How about if those 25 and 26 picks end up being guys like Derrick Favors and Josh Jackson that the Spurs were in love with on draft day? Then you're drafting in the 20s and hoping Vassell has become a top 10 player or bye bye Wemby to the Lakers. You act like standing pat isn't a risk.

[Mr. Body]

Siakam says he will not promise to resign with anyone he is traded for this season. He intends to become a free agent.

That puts a brake on a good part of the deadline drama. Also possibly makes Toronto's future even worse, although they can S&T him.

Malcolm Brodgan
Dejounte Murray

Seem to likely be the only significant players that are on the move right now. And Siakam's statement hampers Atlanta's ability to maneuver this year.

[BacktoBasics]

Siakam says he will not promise to resign with anyone he is traded for this season. He intends to become a free agent.

That puts a brake on a good part of the deadline drama. Also possibly makes Toronto's future even worse, although they can S&T him.

Malcolm Brodgan
Dejounte Murray

Seem to likely be the only significant players that are on the move right now. And Siakam's statement hampers Atlanta's ability to maneuver this year.

After the NY trade I think they’d be open to moving Schroeder. But he’s not a great shooter.

[baseline bum]

nobody said the Spurs should use their own picks to draft players. They should be used to trade for a star obviously. So even if you aquired Young, you could still maneuver trading your own draft picks. You didn't burn all your assets. That's the point.

And yes the Raptors pick and the ATL 25 and 26 swap are the most valuable picks obviously, but if I can get a star PG I'll trade some of them.

I don't find the Raptors pick all that amazing. Best case (if it conveys this season) is it's #7 in what is looking like a quite weak draft. That's a pick I'm more than happy to move to get a high quality vet. The ATL 25 and 26 are in a much higher class of value and it would take someone like Bridges or Young to get me to consider them. But ever since winning the lottery I have thought those Atlanta picks would probably best be used on trading for a star young enough to give you a good 6-7 years as opposed to hoping you win the lottery for Flagg or Boozer with the picks, especially with your best case being a 28% chance with them.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't find the Raptors pick all that amazing. Best case (if it conveys this season) is it's #7 in what is looking like a quite weak draft. That's a pick I'm more than happy to move to get a high quality vet. The ATL 25 and 26 are in a much higher class of value and it would take someone like Bridges or Young to get me to consider them. But ever since winning the lottery I have thought those Atlanta picks would probably best be used on trading for a star young enough to give you a good 6-7 years as opposed to hoping you win the lottery for Flagg or Boozer with the picks, especially with your best case being a 28% chance with them.

agree. Also don't forget, we should be seeing some more Brian Wright moves where he converts 2nd rounders into future 1st round draft picks. I assume that's the move at the deadline while attaching some expiring contracts.

[scott]

Our “own picks” will be in the 20s, and not in a position to get another star playerifitdoesnt work out. I don’t necessarily want to keep all of those picks. Mikal Bridges would be a good target for a couple of them. Maybe Brogdon, too. Any of the CHA, CHI, or the 27 ATL pick would be on the table. I am absolutely against trading either our pick this year, the Toronto pick, or the 25 ATL pick or the 26 ATL swap. Those are the gold we mine for our future after a transitional period with the Bridges or Brogdon type players to bridge the training period for our high picks.

Posted in the Timeline thread, but relevant here I think. Personally I'd move our 27 before the ATL 27, but that is a matter of taste.


We had a "value of future FRPs" thread previously, but just a quick off the top of my head, this is the ranking of the value of the future FRP's we have. I agree that we should take the most valuable of them off any trade discussion, unless it's for a true star level player who is still relatively young (Halliburton-type player)

2024 Spurs
2025 Hawks
2024 Raptors
2026 Spurs (w/ ATL Swap)
2025 Spurs
2027 Hawks
2027 Spurs
2028 Spurs (w/ BOS Swap)
2025 CHI
2029 Spurs
2030 Spurs (w/ DAL Swap)
2024 CHA

A lot of these values include some not-super well calculated Time-Value of the Picks (a pick today is worth more than the same pick a year from now), but don't take into account any expectation of the future quality of a draft.

Because picks attached to Swap right as inherently more valuable, and you want to keep them, I'd say the only assets the Spurs should even consider moving would be:

25 Spurs
27 Spurs or 27 Hawks (one, not both)
25 Bulls
29 Spurs
24 Hornets (likely only to be viewed as two SRPs)

Even if you traded away all these, you'd still have an FRP every year other than 29.

Also like Mo's idea of trying to consolidate seconds into a FRP, but I don't know how viable that is these days, probably needs to be in coordination with taking on salary.

[scott]

I don't find the Raptors pick all that amazing. Best case (if it conveys this season) is it's #7 in what is looking like a quite weak draft. That's a pick I'm more than happy to move to get a high quality vet. The ATL 25 and 26 are in a much higher class of value and it would take someone like Bridges or Young to get me to consider them. But ever since winning the lottery I have thought those Atlanta picks would probably best be used on trading for a star young enough to give you a good 6-7 years as opposed to hoping you win the lottery for Flagg or Boozer with the picks, especially with your best case being a 28% chance with them.

Left this out of my analysis above... I'd actually be willing to move off both of our picks this year for the right player, but definitely the TOR pick. I'm not super excited about this crop of rookies, but it's only January.

[exstatic]

Left this out of my analysis above... I'd actually be willing to move off both of our picks this year for the right player, but definitely the TOR pick. I'm not super excited about this crop of rookies, but it's only January.

The NBA media never get excited over white European players, even when the history of outstanding 18 YOs is extremely positive in translation to the NBA. There was a ton of excitement over the top picks in last years draft, and I’ll be honest, I can see 2023 picks 3-5 EASILY busting. I never liked Scoot or the twins, and still don’t. I would rather take a chance on a more raw, better coached Euro who knows how to play in the halfcourt, and there are some exciting athletic prospects who fit that bill like Risacher and Salaun.

[spurraider21]

agree. Also don't forget, we should be seeing some more Brian Wright moves where he converts 2nd rounders into future 1st round draft picks. I assume that's the move at the deadline while attaching some expiring contracts.
hope we see a lot of that

dont forget this past draft he traded the #33 overall pick for 2 distant crappy SRPs :lol... only to then use the worse of our 2 SRPs to draft a guy that wasnt 2-way eligible

[scott]

The NBA media never get excited over white European players, even when the history of outstanding 18 YOs is extremely positive in translation to the NBA. There was a ton of excitement over the top picks in last years draft, and I’ll be honest, I can see 2023 picks 3-5 EASILY busting. I never liked Scoot or the twins, and still don’t. I would rather take a chance on a more raw, better coached Euro who knows how to play in the halfcourt, and there are some exciting athletic prospects who fit that bill like Risacher and Salaun.

I get that Luka, Sengun and Wemby are prime examples of this, but we've also seen a lot of Sekou Doumbouya, Luka Samanic, Killian Hayes, Deni Avdija, Aleksej Pokusevski, Usman Garuba, Ousmane Dieng, Nikola Jovic, etc. I'd be curious how the hit rate of draft picks with professional experience in Europe compares to other draft picks, but I'm not going to take the time to put that analysis together.

At the end of the day, I think it all comes down to a more fundamental analysis: Good prospects are good, bad prospects are bad, but it's hard to tell the two apart when they're 18 and 19 year olds.

How is Bilal Coulibaly doing? His stats don't look too great (less that Sochan's rookie stats, but with a higher eFG%, the advanced stats all look pretty similar) but he is on a putrid team. I'm just not that excited about a Coulibaly-type prospect versus moving that pick for an known quantity.

[Kevin]

The only pick that's untouchable is the Spurs own first rounder this year since its pretty much a lock to be top 7 with a good chance at top 3. Everything else is on the table.

[exstatic]

The only pick that's untouchable is the Spurs own first rounder this year since its pretty much a lock to be top 7 with a good chance at top 3. Everything else is on the table.

Atlanta is circling the bowl, and shopping their guards, and you’re willing to give up their unprotected 25 pick in the Cooper Flagg draft, and the swap in the Cam Boozer draft?

[Kevin]

Atlanta is circling the bowl, and shopping their guards, and you’re willing to give up their unprotected 25 pick in the Cooper Flagg draft, and the swap in the Cam Boozer draft?

For a sure thing like Trea Young yeah I would. If Atlanta cannot regain control of their own picks tanking does them no good. Plus the odds of Atlanta getting the number 1 in either of those drafts is still pretty low. The NBA never has a shortage of shitty or tanking teams.

[poopbox]

The only pick that's untouchable is the Spurs own first rounder this year since its pretty much a lock to be top 7 with a good chance at top 3. Everything else is on the table.

I wouldn't deal that Atlanta unprotected 25th pick for anything but a SGA level player. Atlanta is a Trae Young injury away from maybe giving us Cooper in the 2025 draft. With the way the Hawks are trending that 25 Hawks pick might be THE most valuable trade commodity in the entire NBA next year.

[exstatic]

For a sure thing like Trea Young yeah I would. If Atlanta cannot regain control of their own picks tanking does them no good. Plus the odds of Atlanta getting the number 1 in either of those drafts is still pretty low. The NBA never has a shortage of shitty or tanking teams.

They can’t regain control unless we do something stupid, and if we don’t, they’ll be a lottery team for sure. As for the lottery odds, we can’t win if we don’t have Atlanta’s tickets. Having slim odds is better than not being in the game.

[Kevin]

I wouldn't deal that Atlanta unprotected 25th pick for anything but a SGA level player. Atlanta is a Trae Young injury away from maybe giving us Cooper in the 2025 draft. With the way the Hawks are trending that 25 Hawks pick might be THE most valuable trade commodity in the entire NBA next year.

They would give us a 14% chance at best for landing Flagg. People need to stop assuming the Spurs get first overall picks in 2025-27.

[Kevin]

They can’t regain control unless we do something stupid, and if we don’t, they’ll be a lottery team for sure. As for the lottery odds, we can’t win if we don’t have Atlanta’s tickets. Having slim odds is better than not being in the game.

Or they can trade those lottery tickets in for Trea Young.

Getting Young is like a guaranteed 10 million dollar lottery win that pays out immediately. You don't pass on that for a 14% chance at winning 50 million 2-4 years from now. And again the odds are 14% at best.

[exstatic]

They would give us a 14% chance at best for landing Flagg. People need to stop assuming the Spurs get first overall picks in 2025-27.

OTOH, you certainly won’t get Flagg or Boozer without a ticket to play.

[Kevin]

OTOH, you certainly won’t get Flagg or Boozer without a ticket to play.

If the Spurs add Young over the summer without trading away their own top 5 pick they're two years away from championship contention. Wemby's on pace to be the best player in the NBA by the end of year 3.

[Mr. Body]

The Atlanta situation may have leapfrogged the Spurs past Thunder in value of top draft assets. They have a gaggle of swaps and firsts starting in 2025. Reading the breakdown, it seems there's no chance they get a top pick in 2025 given protects - and these teams are Houston, Clippers, Miami, and Philly, so I'm not sure any of them convey anyway, other than the swap. So, no chance for Flagg or Ace unless OKC themselves tank.

OKC 2026. The Miami pick goes unprotected if it doesn't convey in 2025 (1-14 prot.), the Philly pick is still 1-4 protected, they get the best two of theirs, Houston (1-4 prot.) and Clippers (Philly gets the remainder).

The rest of their FRPs after that are from two firsts from Denver (27, 29) protected 1-4 and a LAC swap in 2027. They of course own a boatload of SRPs.

Kind of amazing. The Spurs have by far the best two assets in the league right now between the teams in the ATL picks, the ATL swap is also super inviting given it's the Boozer draft. Utah has unprotected firsts in 2025 but they're from Minnesota and Cleveland.

tl;dr The Thunder have no chance at the possible generational talents in the next two drafts. Obviously they draft very well overall, but their days of high lotto has pretty much disappeared.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs add Young over the summer without trading away their own top 5 pick they're two years away from championship contention. Wemby's on pace to be the best player in the NBA by the end of year 3.

How’s he going to do that when he’s only Trae’s lob threat? I don’t think you grasp the extent of how awful Trae is without the ball in his hands, like they’d be playing 4 on 5 offense. It’s the reason that his pairing with DJ didn’t work, and why he will limit Wemby to just a lob threat.

[baseline bum]

Or they can trade those lottery tickets in for Trea Young.

Getting Young is like a guaranteed 10 million dollar lottery win that pays out immediately. You don't pass on that for a 14% chance at winning 50 million 2-4 years from now. And again the odds are 14% at best.

Yeah ever since winning the lottery for Victor I like those ATL picks as trade assets more than holding onto them. Not a bad Plan B to have a real shot at Flagg and Boozer, but now with a generational player on the roster probably makes more sense to pawn that uncertainty onto someone else who might blow it up. If the Spurs luck into the #1 pick again this year I'm definitely calling Brooklyn and asking for Bridges since Sarr would probably have more value for them.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah ever since winning the lottery for Victor I like those ATL picks as trade assets more than holding onto them. Not a bad Plan B to have a real shot at Flagg and Boozer, but now with a generational player on the roster probably makes more sense to pawn that uncertainty onto someone else who might blow it up. If the Spurs luck into the #1 pick again this year I'm definitely calling Brooklyn and asking for Bridges since Sarr would probably have more value for them.

You keep saying this, but there's no way in hell Brooklyn trades Bridges for Sarr. They don't even need Sarr.

[LeBowen]

Yeah ever since winning the lottery for Victor I like those ATL picks as trade assets more than holding onto them. Not a bad Plan B to have a real shot at Flagg and Boozer, but now with a generational player on the roster probably makes more sense to pawn that uncertainty onto someone else who might blow it up. If the Spurs luck into the #1 pick again this year I'm definitely calling Brooklyn and asking for Bridges since Sarr would probably have more value for them.

I'm not sure Bridges is worth that much.
He would have 2 more years on his deal, which ends in 2026 when he turns 30.
Then he'd ask for big money. And he's not a max player for me.

As for upcoming lotteries, we got beyond lucky with Wemby and planning your future based on another 14% lottery ticket would be dumb.
I'm not familiar with the upcoming drafts, but unless 2025 or 2026 draft is really stacked, then I'd have no problem trading those Hawks picks for the right return.

[Leetonidas]

How’s he going to do that when he’s only Trae’s lob threat? I don’t think you grasp the extent of how awful Trae is without the ball in his hands, like they’d be playing 4 on 5 offense. It’s the reason that his pairing with DJ didn’t work, and why he will limit Wemby to just a lob threat.

It's weird that you think Wemby is going to be reduced to a lob threat only with Trae.

Trae would be fine next to Wemby. He would also benefit from a ton of open looks from Wemby's gravity and vice versa. You make it sound like Young only knows how to throw lob passes :lol

STs weird ability to shit on every decent player on another team while overvaluing our scrubs is hilarious

[rascal]

It took years for the Spurs to get top ten lottery picks and now they have them. They aren't going to trade a bunch of them for one player.

The Spurs should get enough chances with high lottery picks in the next two or threes years to get better players than what they currently have. Sochan was the 9th pick and outside of Wemby he's the only top ten pick on the team.

With their own pick this year and the Toronto pick and possibly another two top ten picks next year the Spurs will have a few chances at bringing in the best prospects. The spurs aren't turning this team around with Trae Young or Murray and future low draft picks. Atlanta isn't going to trade those guys without the Spurs sending out top ten picks this year and possibly next year despite all the low ball trade packages Spurstalk thinks up that don't include these picks. It's going to come down to how well the Spurs draft and the ability to surround Wemby with strong enough talent to be a contender again. The Spurs are going to have top draft picks which should make things easier for them.

Wemby isn't going to leave the team if he sees improvement and the Spurs will improve as top draft talent gets added to the team. The spurs got lucky and got their franchise player so the hard part is already finished. It's going to be a process but positive results will be seen. Fans need to be patient with the process.

[baseline bum]

You keep saying this, but there's no way in hell Brooklyn trades Bridges for Sarr. They don't even need Sarr.

They're a team on a 34 win pace without much young talent. They desperately need someone like him.

[CGD]

Posted in the Timeline thread, but relevant here I think. Personally I'd move our 27 before the ATL 27, but that is a matter of taste.

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Given ATL's current trajectory, I'd probably shuffle your Spurs picks power rankings some:

2025 Spurs (Flagg draft)
2025 Hawks (Flagg draft)
2026 Spurs w/ATL Swap (Boozer/Dybantsa draft)
2024 Spurs
2025 CHI (chance at 25, 26 drafts)
2027 Hawks (lotto pick as SAS improves)
2024 Raptors
2030 Spurs w/ DAL Swap (Luka will be gone)
2028 Spurs w/ BOS Swap (Tatum will be a Laker)
2027 Spurs
2024 Spurs -- SRP (quasi FRP)
2025 Spurs -- SRP (quasi FRP)
2029 Spurs
2024 CHA
2025 CHI -- SRP (quasi FRP?)

[mo7888]

If the Spurs add Young over the summer without trading away their own top 5 pick they're two years away from championship contention. Wemby's on pace to be the best player in the NBA by the end of year 3.

You don't trade away your best trade assets for someone who will let you compete in 3 years. You do that when you're ready to go for it now.

[SupremeGuy]

I honestly don't even think we're nearly as bad as our record indicates. Seemed like Devin getting hurt in game 4 or 5 whatever started some type of weird downward spiral that we weren't able to get out of until recently.

[RC_Drunkford]

It's weird that you think Wemby is going to be reduced to a lob threat only with Trae.

Trae would be fine next to Wemby. He would also benefit from a ton of open looks from Wemby's gravity and vice versa. You make it sound like Young only knows how to throw lob passes :lol

STs weird ability to shit on every decent player on another team while overvaluing our scrubs is hilarious

the only player exstatic likes is Jalen Smith. He thinks he's worth 30 million :lol

[baseline bum]

I honestly don't even think we're nearly as bad as our record indicates. Seemed like Devin getting hurt in game 4 or 5 whatever started some type of weird downward spiral that we weren't able to get out of until recently.

It was Branham going to the starting lineup. They actually look like an NBA team again ever since that scrub went to the bench and Tre Jones took over PG duty with the first team in the most obvious adjustment imaginable that took Pop half the fucking season to implement.

[spurraider21]

I honestly don't even think we're nearly as bad as our record indicates. Seemed like Devin getting hurt in game 4 or 5 whatever started some type of weird downward spiral that we weren't able to get out of until recently.
top 5 team in the west

[spurraider21]

It was Branham going to the starting lineup. They actually look like an NBA team again ever since that scrub went to the bench and Tre Jones took over PG duty with the first team in the most obvious adjustment imaginable that took Pop half the fucking season to implement.
and only because branham got hurt :lol

[rascal]

They're a team on a 34 win pace without much young talent. They desperately need someone like him.

I do think getting the number one pick might get you Bridges if Brooklyn wants to rebuild. The number one pick always carries a lot of value.

[bluebellmaniac]

What makes someone be NOT 2-way eligible?

[exstatic]

What makes someone be NOT 2-way eligible?

It’s a matter of having a European team buyout. NBA teams can’t pay this for a 2 way, and the salary isn’t enough in almost all cases.

[spurraider21]

What makes someone be NOT 2-way eligible?


It’s a matter of having a European team buyout. NBA teams can’t pay this for a 2 way, and the salary isn’t enough in almost all cases.
yeah, this. cissoko was still under contract overseas, so the spurs would not be allowed to buy him out of that while only signing him to a 2-way valued contract.

instead they had to sign him as part of the nba roster... and they only got him on a 3 year deal, where year 1 will be spent basically exclusively in the gleague. ideally the spurs would have longer control, but on the flipside, his deal isnt structured like FRPs where clubs have to exercise options 2 years in advance, so he's only guaranteed for 2 years, with 3rd year effectively being a club option, followed by restricted free agency.

[mo7888]

Not really Spurs, but could set the market:

Developing: The Raptors and Pacers are in active talks on a trade centered on two-time All-Star Pascal Siakam for package that includes three first-round picks, league sources say.

Full details at @TheAthletic with Sam_amick:

[Dejounte]

Not really Spurs, but could set the market:

Developing: The Raptors and Pacers are in active talks on a trade centered on two-time All-Star Pascal Siakam for package that includes three first-round picks, league sources say.

Full details at @TheAthletic with Sam (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7024)_amick:

Yes, Finally Some Action. I Love The Fit For The Pacers.

[mo7888]

Yes, Finally Some Action. I Love The Fit For The Pacers.

I'm curious to see what protections are attached

[spurraider21]

3 FRP for siakam only makes sense if he's committed to an extension, and im pretty sure within the last 24 hours or so he has basically said he's not gonna commit anywhere and wants to test free agency

he makes a lot of sense for indiana though. finally gives turner a good defensive partner. they drafted jerace walker but he's clearly not ready to meaningfully contribute

[onechance87]

does that mean raptors gonna tank

[CGD]

does that mean raptors gonna tank

I’m not so sure. I assume they need to send out Buddy Heild to begin to match salaries. They may also get Mathirin?

[spurraider21]

baseline bum

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[CGD]

baseline bum

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Seems foolish

[Mr. Body]

baseline bum

1747433709421089235

Yet they'll somehow get excited to get an iffy Alexandre Sarr on a #1 pick contract when they already have Claxton.

[spurraider21]

Seems foolish
for all we know they were crappy protected firsts or something. but 4 is a lot. then again, hes just getting into his prime and is in year 2 of 4 on what is a nice team friendly deal

[Mr. Body]

Seems foolish

I think we have to realize a lot of these picks packages aren't worth much. It's easy to get excited about OKC's treasury but when you peer at the trove you see how heavily protected they are and from good teams/franchises (Sixers, Heat, Nuggets, Clippers, rising Rockets). We were excited about the Charlotte pick but it's clearly not going to convey.

Brooklyn already skinned Phoenix and Dallas a bit for their stars and they like Bridges a lot. He's a good citizen, likeable, and is a good piece to keep going instead of full-on tanking. It takes a long time to replace that sort of player.

[spurraider21]

Yet they'll somehow get excited to get an iffy Alexandre Sarr on a #1 pick contract when they already have Claxton.
claxton will be an unrestricted free agent

[Mr. Body]

claxton will be an unrestricted free agent

Fair. They should be able to keep him. Doesn't make bb's ideas less lunatic.

[baseline bum]

baseline bum

1747433709421089235

And the Raptors rejected four picks for Anunoby acting like he was off limits too a year ago. Bridges isn't having the season he was last year and even then I think the only way the Spurs could really get him is if they get #1 in this draft so they could draft Sarr for the Nets.

[CGD]

^ for Mikal Bridges?? Not sure if serious.

[baseline bum]

Looks like Siakam to Indy. Might get the ball rolling on other moves.

1747429433865068649

[scott]

Siakam for Walker + Picks would a good get for Toronto for a soft rebuild.

[Mr. Body]

^ for Mikal Bridges?? Not sure if serious.

He keeps repeating this shit. Bizarre.

[timtonymanu]

The first domino to fall as we come to accept that the Spurs will likely stand pat. :lol

[exstatic]

The first domino to fall as we come to accept that the Spurs will likely stand pat. :lol

They don’t get involved in big trades, but they’ve been very active the last few summers and deadlines. I would comfortably bet against them standing pat.

[Mr. Body]

They'll move Cedi Dougie or both

[CGD]

They'll move Cedi Dougie or both

The Doug for Fournier swap is sitting in plain sight. Spurs would need to be compensated for salary savings to Knicks. Might be an opportunity for a pick quality upgrade, i.e., send over 3 SRPs for a protected FRP.

I think LeBron would be happy to be reconnected with his bud Osman. Might net a SRP.

[poopbox]

They would give us a 14% chance at best for landing Flagg. People need to stop assuming the Spurs get first overall picks in 2025-27.

I'd rather take that chance than trade that chance in for Trae Young who outside of one fluke playoff run hasn't done anything but be the leader of a play in team, lose in the 1st round, get his coach fired, and made players not want to play with him.

[Mr. Body]

I'd rather take that chance than trade that chance in for Trae Young who outside of one fluke playoff run hasn't done anything but be the leader of a play in team, lose in the 1st round, get his coach fired, and made players not want to play with him.

I just want to reiterate that Trae Young's own teammates wouldn't vote for him for the All Star game last year. He is severely disliked not only across the league but by his own guys.

[spurraider21]

The Doug for Fournier swap is sitting in plain sight. Spurs would need to be compensated for salary savings to Knicks. Might be an opportunity for a pick quality upgrade, i.e., send over 3 SRPs for a protected FRP.

I think LeBron would be happy to be reconnected with his bud Osman. Might net a SRP.
you're not getting anything more than, something like a SRP swap or maybe a protected second rounder for a doug/fournier swap

the knicks arent in the tax, so the savings arent doing them much. both are expiring.

[hoopdreams11]

Plus Doug is not a Thibs type of player

[Kevin]

I'd rather take that chance than trade that chance in for Trae Young who outside of one fluke playoff run hasn't done anything but be the leader of a play in team, lose in the 1st round, get his coach fired, and made players not want to play with him.

Young is a second star player who's never had a first or third star next to him. (sorry DJM)

[rascal]

I think we have to realize a lot of these picks packages aren't worth much. It's easy to get excited about OKC's treasury but when you peer at the trove you see how heavily protected they are and from good teams/franchises (Sixers, Heat, Nuggets, Clippers, rising Rockets). We were excited about the Charlotte pick but it's clearly not going to convey.

Brooklyn already skinned Phoenix and Dallas a bit for their stars and they like Bridges a lot. He's a good citizen, likeable, and is a good piece to keep going instead of full-on tanking. It takes a long time to replace that sort of player.

Spurs should have seen Bridges was going to be great and should have traded for him on draft day. I wanted the Spurs to make a trade for Bridges on draft day and he was traded from Phil to Phoenix.

[spurraider21]

Plus Doug is not a Thibs type of player
Is Fournier?

[John B]

Looks like Siakam to Indy. Might get the ball rolling on other moves.

1747429433865068649

Would this squeeze them in the top 6 pick? I rather that TOR pick to convey

[CGD]

Is Fournier?

At least Doug played for Thibbs for a year already. Fournier is just riding pine.

[exstatic]

At least Doug played for Thibbs for a year already. Fournier is just riding pine.

Doug played 36 games, 9 minutes per game as a rookie #11 pick for Thibbs,who was not thrilled with the pick.

[cd98]

I'd love to have Bridges, but Nets are in an awkward position because they owe a bunch of unprotected picks. Rather than suffer the embarrassment of handing over lottery picks to Houston, they want to be competitive and trading Bridges hurts their ability to do that. We don't know who offered the 4 picks. Is it a team that risks giving up lottery picks? Were they lottery-protected picks? Or are these likely late rounders that have like a 5% chance of becoming an all-star or a player as good as Bridges?

[CGD]

Doug played 36 games, 9 minutes per game as a rookie #11 pick for Thibbs,who was not thrilled with the pick.

so he played almost half that season's games?

[exstatic]

so he played almost half that season's games?

Pretty lame PT for a #11 pick, and only 9 minutes per game. That says your coach doesn’t like you, or your game. I think Pop wouldn’t send him back into that situation.

[onechance87]

Would this squeeze them in the top 6 pick? I rather that TOR pick to convey

good chance especially when other teams like utah and memphis are refusing to lose
at the moment

[Kevin]

If the Spurs trade for Young it needs to wait until the summer. Right now they have the second worst record in the league with a 14% chance at the first pick. If they add Young they'll drop to at least 5th in the lottery standings with 10.5% chance at the first pick. With Toronto looking to blow it up and if the Hawks traded Young to the Spurs decent chance San Antonio could end up 7 in the lottery standings if they got Young right now.

[baseline bum]

Would this squeeze them in the top 6 pick? I rather that TOR pick to convey

With how trash this draft is wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to roll it over until 2025.

[exstatic]

Would this squeeze them in the top 6 pick? I rather that TOR pick to convey

There’s a bigger gap between 6 and 5 than there is between 6 and 11.

[The Truth #6]

There’s a bigger gap between 6 and 5 than there is between 6 and 11.
Who is your top five?

[exstatic]

Who is your top five?

The current 5 worst teams will be the worst teams at the end of the regular season.

[The Truth #6]

The current 5 worst teams will be the worst teams at the end of the regular season.
My bad. I thought you were referring to players.

[Mr. Body]

I hope to get both picks for the reasons many have said. Also, while this draft is supposed to be weak, and in many ways it is, I think I actually like it better from around 3-12 than I did last year, with some exceptions.

[JR3]

Bleacher report is saying that the hawks are looking for two first round picks for Dejounte Murray. It seems like we are in the drivers seat. Just have to determine if it’s worth it. The hawks picks will be good picks. You know who doesn’t have 2 first round picks to give?? The lakers…

[spurraider21]

Bleacher report is saying that the hawks are looking for two first round picks for Dejounte Murray. It seems like we are in the drivers seat. Just have to determine if it’s worth it. The hawks picks will be good picks. You know who doesn’t have 2 first round picks to give?? The lakers…
the warriors could free up 26 and 28 if they lifted the protections on the pick they owe portland

knicks have all their first rounders

[exstatic]

Even though this isn’t the best draft, I’d rather have a 7-8 pick in a meh draft than have TOR keep it, re-tool, and the pick drops into the late teens or 20s in 2025.

[tbdog]

Raptors got 3 firsts for Siakham, plus a decently price role player in Bruce Brown. Then 2 thrown in youths. And he is a pending free agent that's likely have the Pacers giving up 200mil over 5 years to retain. As I said, 3 to 5 assets for an allstar. Trae Young is clearly worth that.

[spurraider21]

Raptors got 3 firsts for Siakham, plus a decently price role player in Bruce Brown. Then 2 thrown in youths. And he is a pending free agent that's likely have the Pacers giving up 200mil over 5 years to retain. As I said, 3 to 5 assets for an allstar. Trae Young is clearly worth that.
TWO HWHAT?

also... one of those guys, lewis, the pelicans gave up a pick to get him off their payroll. he's not an asset. just salary theyre shedding to get under the tax and he's expiring anyway

[buttsR4rebounding]

Bleacher report is saying that the hawks are looking for two first round picks for Dejounte Murray. It seems like we are in the drivers seat. Just have to determine if it’s worth it. The hawks picks will be good picks. You know who doesn’t have 2 first round picks to give?? The lakers…

Especially since if we put the 27 Hawks pick on the table it is worth more to the Hawks than any other pick another team can trade them. Something like the Chicago pick and the Hawks 27 pick could do it. I'd start with the Charlotte pick and go from there.

[scott]

Bleacher report is saying that the hawks are looking for two first round picks for Dejounte Murray. It seems like we are in the drivers seat. Just have to determine if it’s worth it. The hawks picks will be good picks. You know who doesn’t have 2 first round picks to give?? The lakers…

I'd have an offer on the table right now of the CHI pick + their choice of the TOR pick or SA '27.

Most I'd be willing to go would be TOR + SA '27, but they'd have to take Graham for sure (It's only ~$2.5MM next year, but it's a $2.5MM I'd rather not have in dead cap) and maybe Branham too. Send me back Patty to go with DJM.

If they are dumping Capela on us, that definitely changes the calculus.

[Joseph Kony]

https://i.ibb.co/pXRQPx6/hawks.png

tbh it's kinda funny seeing the perception of our FO front the perspective of other teams' fans :lol

Kinda feel bad for Hawks fans

[scott]

https://i.ibb.co/pXRQPx6/hawks.png

tbh it's kinda funny seeing the perception of our FO front the perspective of other teams' fans :lol

Kinda feel bad for Hawks fans

To be fair, the DJM trade is looking increasingly like a stroke of genius by PAFTO. We all liked the deal at the time, for exactly the things that are coming to fruition right now. PAFTO has earned plenty of criticism, but they deserve their props on this one (or maybe this is just my former Sniffer tendencies showing themselves).

[Teamduncan21]

Raptors got 3 firsts for Siakham, plus a decently price role player in Bruce Brown. Then 2 thrown in youths. And he is a pending free agent that's likely have the Pacers giving up 200mil over 5 years to retain. As I said, 3 to 5 assets for an allstar. Trae Young is clearly worth that.


The protections are not yet stated too. And even if unprotected, pacers pick would be not that high for this year. The other lesser of OKC / clippers is not that high too.

So only the 2026 pick maybe reasonably valuable. But raptors didn't get much

[spurraider21]

at the time we made the murray trade, the value was good, because people expect the hawks to screw things up, and we let that shit stew for a couple of years. we didnt get picks from them until 3 seasons out

when we landed wemby, obviously everything was justified and it didnt really matter anymore. and then there was the hilarious possibility being discussed of the spurs just waiting for murray to hit free agency and signing him back. it was peak euphoria

then murray signed the extension with the hawks, which at the time was pretty objectively a team-friendly decision where he was leaving money on the table, and it seemed like the hawks would at least have a stable floor during the 25-27 window

but now half a year later, and we're back to those picks being juicy as fuck

[scott]

at the time we made the murray trade, the value was good, because people expect the hawks to screw things up, and we let that shit stew for a couple of years. we didnt get picks from them until 3 seasons out

when we landed wemby, obviously everything was justified and it didnt really matter anymore. and then there was the hilarious possibility being discussed of the spurs just waiting for murray to hit free agency and signing him back. it was peak euphoria

then murray signed the extension with the hawks, which at the time was pretty objectively a team-friendly decision where he was leaving money on the table, and it seemed like the hawks would at least have a stable floor during the 25-27 window

but now half a year later, and we're back to those picks being juicy as fuck

Great reminder that the NBA can be unpredictable AF!

[SOMA Spur]

I'd have an offer on the table right now of the CHI pick + their choice of the TOR pick or SA '27.

Most I'd be willing to go would be TOR + SA '27, but they'd have to take Graham for sure (It's only ~$2.5MM next year, but it's a $2.5MM I'd rather not have in dead cap) and maybe Branham too. Send me back Patty to go with DJM.

If they are dumping Capela on us, that definitely changes the calculus.

If they are dumping Capela on us, what are you thinking then? I've got Charlotte + Chicago 1st and 2nd in '25. (instead of your TOR + SA '27). So we eat 22 extra million to keep a decent first. Doubt Atlanta does this, but technically it is the 2 firsts they are clamoring for, plus they save 45 mil on the books next season.

[tbdog]

The protections are not yet stated too. And even if unprotected, pacers pick would be not that high for this year. The other lesser of OKC / clippers is not that high too.

So only the 2026 pick maybe reasonably valuable. But raptors didn't get much

Yeah protections will be a thing. I think the 2026 was rumoured to be top 5 protected.

[scott]

If they are dumping Capela on us, what are you thinking then? I've got Charlotte + Chicago 1st and 2nd in '25. (instead of your TOR + SA '27). So we eat 22 extra million to keep a decent first. Doubt Atlanta does this, but technically it is the 2 firsts they are clamoring for, plus they save 45 mil on the books next season.

I think that sounds about right. To me, eating Capela makes a fair arguement to downgrade the SA '27 to the CHA pick.

I might go as high as TOR + CHA if eating Capela.

[tbdog]

If they are dumping Capela on us, what are you thinking then? I've got Charlotte + Chicago 1st and 2nd in '25. (instead of your TOR + SA '27). So we eat 22 extra million to keep a decent first. Doubt Atlanta does this, but technically it is the 2 firsts they are clamoring for, plus they save 45 mil on the books next season.

Ill be interested in how the spurs match Capela and Murray contracts. Technically, Mcdermott, Cedi, and Graham works. But I just can't see Alt accepting such trash, even though they are all expiring. But I suppose we did accept trash contacts in exchange for 2 firsts and a swap. They were all unprotected too. Would Alt take Bulls or Tor/and one of their alt picks back for those junk players?

[TD 21]

To Hawks: McDermott, Graham, Oladipo, 2 1sts via Spurs (Raptors or Bulls + Hawks '27?)

To Rockets: Gafford, Shamet

To Spurs: Murray, Mills, Landale

To Wizards: Capela, Mamukelashvili

[scott]

^Why does WAS do this?

[TD 21]

^Why does WAS do this?

Forgot to add, Rockets send draft capital (2 2nds?) to Wizards.

[scott]

My guess would be Wizards would need more to eat Capela. I understand this would get them off of Gafford, but his contract is very reasonable (due $13MM next year, $14MM after that) especially compared to Capela. Gafford is a positive asset, whereas I'd view Capela as a negative one for WAS.

[Chinook]

I don't actually think the Hawks saving money is going to be a huge incentive. There's nothing to worry about in terms of free agency, and if they're making trades, Capela's expiring contract would give them better flexibility next year than any cap space would. Getting out from under Hunter could make sense if they've concluded his Collins 2.0. But if the Hawks intend to keep Young, you would think they'd be trading Murray as part of a plan to do so rather than just to "get something" for him. I'm not saying that DeJounte is the problem in ATL. If he is, then maybe they think getting rid of him and getting back a rotational or prospect PG could be addition by subtraction. But if they think Young is more of a problem than DJM, they should consider trading Trae trying to build around the rest of the guys and the long-term flexibility the team would have.

Honestly, if it's more of a situation where the Hawks just want to dump Murray and aren't willing to try to wait out a weak market, that should concern Spurs fans. The team traded DJM to ATL in part because he seemed to want to go there and play with Young. Maybe Young is a uniquely toolish player -- and there is evidence to believe that. But it also means folks might not be able to trust signals from Murray that he'd actually want to come back and play with Wemby. He might believe that now but then change his mind later on. A parallel line of reasoning also makes a Young trade concerning. Trae also changed his mind about trading with DeJounte and could do so with Victor even if he currently believes he wouldn't.

Anyway, unless the Hawks are trading Murray to enter a tanking posture, I don't see a way the Spurs acquire Murray without sending back Jones or at least Wesley. I know the team has Bufkin, but they really haven't played the guy all year. They need a legit backup for Young, which is why I think Jones might get the nod.

So maybe something like this: https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykzdpjoq

Change the 25 and 27 picks into swaps. That way the Spurs keep the upside of the picks while reducing the bulk of having those extra players, and ATL gets the guaranteed firsts they need to trade within the confines of the Stepien Rule. You can also toss in the Charlotte pick and seconds if the Hawks want assets,

Murray, Wesley, Graham
Vassell, Matthews
Champangie, Johnson, Cissoko
Sochan, Hunter, Mamukelashvili
Wembanayma, Collins, Bassey

They'd have an open slot to sign Barlow to the main roster, though they might also try to use cap space, their DPE, RE or some other means to bring in another guard.

[CGD]

To be fair, the DJM trade is looking increasingly like a stroke of genius by PAFTO. We all liked the deal at the time, for exactly the things that are coming to fruition right now. PAFTO has earned plenty of criticism, but they deserve their props on this one (or maybe this is just my former Sniffer tendencies showing themselves).

They’ve done quite well in trades. The big TBD is White, obviously, which will turn on whether Tatum is a Laker by 2028. Not holding out hope on Wesley or those Pels SRPs, lol.

[scott]

Just one note, Hawks drafted Kobe Bufkin, so I think they probably don't need and aren't thinking about a prospect PG.

Edit: I see you did mention that now, and agree that they'll likely want a rotational PG, though they also have Patty.

[scott]

I don't actually think the Hawks saving money is going to be a huge incentive. There's nothing to worry about in terms of free agency, and if they're making trades, Capela's expiring contract would give them better flexibility next year than any cap space would. Getting out from under Hunter could make sense if they've concluded his Collins 2.0. But if the Hawks intend to keep Young, you would think they'd be trading Murray as part of a plan to do so rather than just to "get something" for him. I'm not saying that DeJounte is the problem in ATL. If he is, then maybe they think getting rid of him and getting back a rotational or prospect PG could be addition by subtraction. But if they think Young is more of a problem than DJM, they should consider trading Trae trying to build around the rest of the guys and the long-term flexibility the team would have.

Honestly, if it's more of a situation where the Hawks just want to dump Murray and aren't willing to try to wait out a weak market, that should concern Spurs fans. The team traded DJM to ATL in part because he seemed to want to go there and play with Young. Maybe Young is a uniquely toolish player -- and there is evidence to believe that. But it also means folks might not be able to trust signals from Murray that he'd actually want to come back and play with Wemby. He might believe that now but then change his mind later on. A parallel line of reasoning also makes a Young trade concerning. Trae also changed his mind about trading with DeJounte and could do so with Victor even if he currently believes he wouldn't.

Anyway, unless the Hawks are trading Murray to enter a tanking posture, I don't see a way the Spurs acquire Murray without sending back Jones or at least Wesley. I know the team has Bufkin, but they really haven't played the guy all year. They need a legit backup for Young, which is why I think Jones might get the nod.

So maybe something like this: https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykzdpjoq

Change the 25 and 27 picks into swaps. That way the Spurs keep the upside of the picks while reducing the bulk of having those extra players, and ATL gets the guaranteed firsts they need to trade within the confines of the Stepien Rule. You can also toss in the Charlotte pick and seconds if the Hawks want assets,

Murray, Wesley, Graham
Vassell, Matthews
Champangie, Johnson, Cissoko
Sochan, Hunter, Mamukelashvili
Wembanayma, Collins, Bassey

They'd have an open slot to sign Barlow to the main roster, though they might also try to use cap space, their DPE, RE or some other means to bring in another guard.

The link to your Trade Machine concept doesn't work (it just brings up the trade machine) - can you share the framework of your trade?

Looks like it's Tre, Cedi, Doug, Graham and the lesser of SA/ATL '25 and '27 for Murray, Matthews, Hunter?

[Chinook]

The link to your Trade Machine concept doesn't work (it just brings up the trade machine) - can you share the framework of your trade?

Looks like it's Tre, Cedi, Doug, Graham and the lesser of SA/ATL '25 and '27 for Murray, Matthews, Hunter?

Jones, Osman, McDermott, Branham and the picks for Hunter, Murray and Matthews. Devonte remains on the team in this scenario to give the Hawks max savings and to allow the Spurs to have an experienced PG behind Wesley or an additional trade piece if they want to do something else.

[BackHome]

I know people like discussing "Trades" for fun but why would we want Atlanta's sloppy seconds if Murray is so good I would think they would keep him?

[tbdog]

Realistically, do you think Trae might be on the market where Alt go on a rebuild? Do you think where they get all these picks back, plus 1 more smaller one like Tor or Bulls. Johnson and matching can sway them to move on. Murray goes the Lakers for Reeves + 1.

Something like this https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ynk3z5mm

Alt: 3 of their 1st back. Plus Tor 1s (2024) + Lakers 1st (2029)

All something more complicated like this?

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ym2ks4mf

With Heat and Griz attaching picks minus 1 spurs picks.

[spurraider21]

fwiw bufkin has been doing well in the gleague, tho his 3pt shot hasnt been falling

[Dejounte]

Another Day Passes And Murray Hasn’t Been Traded Here Yet. I Don’t Know How Much Longer I Can Type Like This

[exstatic]

Raptors got 3 firsts for Siakham plus a decently price role player in Bruce Brown. Then 2 thrown in youths. And he is a pending free agent that's likely have the Pacers giving up 200mil over 5 years to retain. As I said, 3 to 5 assets for an allstar. Trae Young is clearly worth that.

Those picks will all be in the 20s. I’d happily give ATL 3 FRPs that don’t include the ATL picks or swaps or the TOR pic or our pick this year.

[mo7888]

If they are dumping Capela on us, what are you thinking then? I've got Charlotte + Chicago 1st and 2nd in '25. (instead of your TOR + SA '27). So we eat 22 extra million to keep a decent first. Doubt Atlanta does this, but technically it is the 2 firsts they are clamoring for, plus they save 45 mil on the books next season.

I'd rather do this and take Capella and use that Tor +27 + Capella expiring contract around the draft to acquire another player.

[Kevin]

People don't realize just how much Wemby accelerates the timeline. It took guys like Joker and Kawhi three to four years to reach MVP level production. Since moving to C and inserting Tre at starting PG Wemby is playing at an MVP level on a per minute basis and he's only half way through his rookie season.

Spurs should still look to sell Osman, Mcdermott and Graham for second rounders at the deadline and keep the tank rolling. Once summer arrives they need to be buyers after the draft.

[KobesAchilles]

People don't realize just how much Wemby accelerates the timeline. It took guys like Joker and Kawhi three to four years to reach MVP level production. Since moving to C and inserting Tre at starting PG Wemby is playing at an MVP level on a per minute basis and he's only half way through his rookie season.

Spurs should still look to sell Osman, Mcdermott and Graham for second rounders at the deadline and keep the tank rolling. Once summer arrives they need to be buyers after the draft.
Some people realized before the nba season even began. Dude is talked as generational talent not seen since Lebron. I knew he was going to be elite as a rookie. That’s what generational means. It’s why I wanted Lillard. Now we hopefully draft our own Lillard in Dilly. But we need vets next year and we need them bad. Good vets who actually move the needle and know their roles and will have zero problem with Wemby as the focal point of the offense.

Pop did a lot of unnecessary stuff in the beginning of the year just to reach the obvious conclusion. Wemby is a Center. And he is a star. It reminds me of Hill playing Durant as a 2 guard and he struggled and then lo and behold they switch Durant to the 3 and he is dominant.

[Kevin]

Some people realized before the nba season even began. Dude is talked as generational talent not seen since Lebron. I knew he was going to be elite as a rookie. That’s what generational means. It’s why I wanted Lillard. Now we hopefully draft our own Lillard in Dilly. But we need vets next year and we need them bad. Good vets who actually move the needle and know their roles and will have zero problem with Wemby as the focal point of the offense.

Pop did a lot of unnecessary stuff in the beginning of the year just to reach the obvious conclusion. Wemby is a Center. And he is a star. It reminds me of Hill playing Durant as a 2 guard and he struggled and then lo and behold they switch Durant to the 3 and he is dominant.

That's why adding Trea Young plus top 5 pick would so exciting. Big three is set for next 7-8 years if they draft the right guy.

[spurraider21]

buy-low window on Ivey is gone

[Kevin]

buy-low window on Ivey is gone

I don't think that window ever really existed.

[intlspurshk]

I would like Spurs to explore trade with Pacer for Aaron Nesmith. Pacer has Benedict and Jarace already and probably wants to get some picks and experienced players like Doug or Cedi after the trade with Raptors. Aaron is young and still has potential to improve

[Mr. Body]

buy-low window on Ivey is gone

Literally never was being traded.

[CGD]

Literally never was being traded.

Agree, but I do think there may be an opportunity at the draft. They’ll have to pick between him or Cade in the next 2 years, so they may be motivated to get ahead of it (if they’re smart). It would require DET having bad lotto luck again, the spurs picking ahead of them, and their falling in love with a player they fear will be gone by the time they pick.

[Frenchfred]

That's why adding Trea Young plus top 5 pick would so exciting. Big three is set for next 7-8 years if they draft the right guy.

Lillard can shoot, Young cannot.

[KobesAchilles]

That's why adding Trea Young plus top 5 pick would so exciting. Big three is set for next 7-8 years if they draft the right guy.
There’s something about Young I don’t like. I’m not talking about his lack of defense bc if we draft a real SF and sign some vets we can shore up that end.
But none of his teammates like him. He plays extremely stupid. He thinks he’s a bigger star than he is and doesn’t realize his own shortcomings.

However, if he comes in with the correct mindset, feed Wemby and play off of him then I think he would be nice. But we would need real leadership on this team if we bring in Young.

[exstatic]

There’s something about Young I don’t like. I’m not talking about his lack of defense bc if we draft a real SF and sign some vets we can shore up that end.
But none of his teammates like him. He plays extremely stupid. He thinks he’s a bigger star than he is and doesn’t realize his own shortcomings.

However, if he comes in with the correct mindset, feed Wemby and play off of him then I think he would be nice. But we would need real leadership on this team if we bring in Young.

His inability to play off the ball is literally the reason that the Dejounte experiment failed. When he doesn’t have the ball, he just stands there.

[Kevin]

For the Trae Young cant shoot and isn't worth it crowd.

Young
TS%: 579
OBPM 5.4
DBPM: -2.1
WS/48:127

Player A
TS% 570
OBPM: 0.4
DBPM: -0.9
WS/48: 0.62

Player B
TS% 557
OBPM -0.4
DBPM -1.4
WS/48 0.56

Players A and B will make 48M combined next season while Young will make 43M next year.

[Chinook]

To be fair, DeJounte shouldn't be "on the ball" either. I am inclined to think there's something going on with Young after both Murray and Collins seem alienated by him. But in my opinion, DeJounte needs to become a mostly off-ball player to really reach his potential. He needs to make the "Iggy pivot" if he wants to be a real contending piece, and I don't think he's willing to do so right now. I certainly don't think he really went to Atlanta expecting to have to play that way. I don't know that he'd come back to the Spurs expecting that either.

[z0sa]

For the Trae Young cant shoot and isn't worth it crowd.

Young
TS%: 579
OBPM 5.4
DBPM: -2.1
WS/48:127

Player A
TS% 570
OBPM: 0.4
DBPM: -0.9
WS/48: 0.62

Player B
TS% 557
OBPM -0.4
DBPM -1.4
WS/48 0.56

Players A and B will make 48M combined next season while Young will make 43M next year.

I'd take Trae Young in a HEARTBEAT. Heartbeat. Anyone and everything's on the table but Wemby.

Cut, set, print.

[Chinook]

Imagine if the Spurs made a trade for Young that included mostly Johnson and Vassell. Those two would reunite with Murray, and the Spurs would have Young, Sochan, Wemby and two top-10 picks.

Young,
Walter
Risacher
Sochan
Wembanyama

Murray
Vassell
Johnson
Johnson
Capela

Would be weird.

[Kevin]

Imagine if the Spurs made a trade for Young that included mostly Johnson and Vassell. Those two would reunite with Murray, and the Spurs would have Young, Sochan, Wemby and two top-10 picks.

Young,
Walter
Risacher
Sochan
Wembanyama

Murray
Vassell
Johnson
Johnson
Capela

Would be weird.

The Hawks would laugh at you and hangup the phone at that offer. Go get Young this summer. Tank needs to keep rolling for now.

[baseline bum]

Raptors got 3 firsts for Siakham, plus a decently price role player in Bruce Brown. Then 2 thrown in youths. And he is a pending free agent that's likely have the Pacers giving up 200mil over 5 years to retain. As I said, 3 to 5 assets for an allstar. Trae Young is clearly worth that.

What a terrible return that was. One of those picks is Indiana's 2024 which would currently be #23, the second pick is OKC's 2024 which is currently #28, and the 2026 pick is Indiana's but top 4 protected. Thank fucking god the Spurs pawned Poeltl, who was leaving anyways, off on them for that pick with only top 6 protection for three years before they realized they were going to lose Siakam and could have traded him for real value.

[baseline bum]

Imagine if the Spurs made a trade for Young that included mostly Johnson and Vassell. Those two would reunite with Murray, and the Spurs would have Young, Sochan, Wemby and two top-10 picks.


Might as well just imagine the Thunder traded us SGA for Branham

[R. DeMurre]

For the Trae Young cant shoot and isn't worth it crowd.

Young
TS%: 579
OBPM 5.4
DBPM: -2.1
WS/48:127

Player A
TS% 570
OBPM: 0.4
DBPM: -0.9
WS/48: 0.62

Player B
TS% 557
OBPM -0.4
DBPM -1.4
WS/48 0.56

Players A and B will make 48M combined next season while Young will make 43M next year.

I don't think anyone is saying Trae "can't shoot." The argument most people opposed to acquiring him are using is that he isn't an elite shooter that can be a #1 option, or that the "Steph Curry Lite" comps are just not accurate. Showing that his TS% is similar to that of two guys on a team that's 7-33 doesn't do much to refute that, along with the fact that his defense is worse than theirs, and they're on a notoriously bad defensive team.

[Kevin]

I don't think anyone is saying Trae "can't shoot." The argument most people opposed to acquiring him are using is that he isn't an elite shooter that can be a #1 option, or that the "Steph Curry Lite" comps are just not accurate. Showing that his TS% is similar to that of two guys on a team that's 7-33 doesn't do much to refute that, along with the fact that his defense is worse than theirs, and they're on a notoriously bad defensive team.

Good thing he wouldn't be a #1 option for long with Wemby. He would make a splendid second option and whoever the Spurs draft top five can make a run at being the third star. Not sure why people arent more excited for Young. Our big three is so close to coming together.

[rankingtear]

Good thing he wouldn't be a #1 option for long with Wemby. He would make a splendid second option and whoever the Spurs draft top five can make a run at being the third star. Not sure why people arent more excited for Young. Our big three is so close to coming together.

Young off ball numbers are awful. If you don't have Trae as you main option running heavy PNR offense then there is no point in trading for him.

[Kevin]

Young off ball numbers are awful. If you don't have Trae as you main option running heavy PNR offense then there is no point in trading for him.

A Wemby/Trae PNR offense sounds wonderful. Just need some three point shooters surrounding them.

We're so close to the promise land again of championship contending. People have Stockholm syndrome since the Kawhi disaster. They seemingly want nothing to do with championship contention until Wemby turns 24 and will require a max contact.

[rankingtear]

A Wemby/Trae PNR offense sounds wonderful. Just need some three point shooters surrounding them.

We're so close to the promise land again of championship contending. People have Stockholm syndrome since the Kawhi disaster. They seemingly want nothing to do with championship contention until Wemby turns 24 and will require a max contact.

Recent championship teams are near bottom in pick and roll frequency. Trae young teams are close to the top. You are just going to waste Wemby potential on a PNR heavy offense.

[Chinook]

Might as well just imagine the Thunder traded us SGA for Branham


The Hawks would laugh at you and hangup the phone at that offer. Go get Young this summer. Tank needs to keep rolling for now.

I'm not talking about the "value" part of the trade. I'm talking about the salary, though obviously Vassell and even Johnson should be considered valuable assets. We don't know what assets it would take -- though STers seem to believe they'd be able to hold onto all their good picks for some reason. But I do think they could get a deal done while still keeping their 24 pick and the Toronto pick.

[scott]

I'd say there is maybe a 15% chance we trade for DJM, and even slimmer odds for Trae... but it has been fun to talk about :lol

[JeffDuncan]

I'd say there is maybe a 15% chance we trade for DJM, and even slimmer odds for Trae... but it has been fun to talk about :lol


You’re right that the odds are long.

Just thought I’d mention that DJM’s contract should be much easier to trade if he didn’t work out here. Trae’s contract would be harder to move. Maybe somebody has mentioned that, I haven’t studied the whole thread.

[Kevin]

I'd say there is maybe a 15% chance we trade for DJM, and even slimmer odds for Trae... but it has been fun to talk about :lol

I don't understand the Murray hype. Add him to the mix and we have three guys next season averaging almost 25M none of whom are legit stars like Young.

The odds are pretty good Atlanta will try blow it up over the summer and the first step in that process is recouping the picks from the Murray trade.

As long as Young is with the Hawks their picks will float in the 8-10 range just so Wright can draft the next Sochan, Vessel or Primo. The fascination with keeping those picks just doesn't add up as long as Young stays in Atlanta.

[exstatic]

I don't understand the Murray hype. Add him to the mix and we have three guys next season averaging almost 25M none of whom are legit stars like Young.

The odds are pretty good Atlanta will try blow it up over the summer and the first step in that process is recouping the picks from the Murray trade.

As long as Young is with the Hawks their picks will float in the 8-10 range just so Wright can draft the next Sochan, Vessel or Primo. The fascination with keeping those picks just doesn't add up as long as Young stays in Atlanta.

You need to start adjusting your pricing calculator. $25M is nothing extraordinary in today’s NBA. The player making exactly $25M is Brook Lopez, and he’s #57 on the NBA salary list.

You need to stop looking at the figure, and start looking at % of the cap. $25M is 18.5% of this year’s cap, not even an entry level second contract max deal. That would be $33.5M.

[Kevin]

You need to start adjusting your pricing calculator. $25M is nothing extraordinary in today’s NBA. The player making exactly $25M is Brook Lopez, and he’s #57 on the NBA salary list.

You need to stop looking at the figure, and start looking at % of the cap. $25M is 18.5% of this year’s cap, not even an entry level second contract max deal. That would be $33.5M.

So the Spurs would have roughly 55.5% of the cap locked up in three players who are not legit stars. What a horrible waste of Wemby's rookie contract.

[exstatic]

So the Spurs would have roughly 55.5% of the cap locked up in three players who are not legit stars. What a horrible waste of Wemby's rookie contract.

Actually, that’s the EXACT time to pay other guys. When Wemby gets paid his $60M starting extension, then costs will have to be trimmed.

[Kevin]

Actually, that’s the EXACT time to pay other guys. When Wemby gets paid his $60M starting extension, then costs will have to be trimmed.

That's the exact time to pay legit stars and super stars not high end role players like Murray and Vessel or pure role players like Keldon. People are still thinking small. They have not accepted the new Wemby timeline.

For the record the Spurs should wait until summer to get Young so the tank stays pristine. Sell McDermott Graham and Osman at the deadline for second rounders. Adding Young and a top five pick to next years team along with second year Wemby will very exciting.

[JeffDuncan]

I don't understand the Murray hype. …


DJM is notably better than what the Spurs have now. That’s enough reason to take an interest in him, if he becomes available. It’s no mystery.