spurs trade rumors

[baseline bum]

F the summer, lol. It’s a no brainer if they think it helps them win this year. They’re in contention, not the 2024 spurs. The more important question is whether Joel is done for the year with his knee, which I haven’t been following closely.

That's what I was saying. If Embiid's season is over why waste a draft pick for a lost season when they can just sign him in the summer.

[exstatic]

Will the Bulls get more for a declining DeRozan expiring than the Spurs did for sending him out in a sign and trade?

Derozan and a second got us two firsts and a second. I don’t think they top that.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFVj4GjXwAAFsRO?format=jpg&name=small

[poopbox]

What on earth is Branhim doing in the game :lol

[CGD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFVj4GjXwAAFsRO?format=jpg&name=small

Dont tease

[Mr. Body]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFVj4GjXwAAFsRO?format=jpg&name=small

Was he the only candidate?

[Rubberducky]

What do people think of Nic Claxton? About two months ago he had a quote saying he wanted to extend with the nets, but yesterday it got out that the nets are listening to offers for him. Maybe his price is now out of their range.

He’s probably gonna be in the 20-25m range this summer.

[objective]

Derozan and a second got us two firsts and a second. I don’t think they top that.

One of those firsts could easily end up being a second rounder in 2028

[MultiTroll]

The Clippers are not going to trade his vet min salary and no one had an idea he would play team ball like he has.....

Westbrook 2024 would have been a great add. Certainly better then Kobme Vassell has been for Wemby.

[rankingtear]

What do people think of Nic Claxton? About two months ago he had a quote saying he wanted to extend with the nets, but yesterday it got out that the nets are listening to offers for him. Maybe his price is now out of their range.

He’s probably gonna be in the 20-25m range this summer.

I think the two big experiment is done. It did not work for Zollins much less for Clax spacing wise.

[SpursBills]

What do people think of Nic Claxton? About two months ago he had a quote saying he wanted to extend with the nets, but yesterday it got out that the nets are listening to offers for him. Maybe his price is now out of their range.

He’s probably gonna be in the 20-25m range this summer.

Great player, but the only teams that he probably makes sense on given his limited range at the moment are Utah, Memphis, and OKC

[r0drig0lac]

Scottie Barnes and Cade would be the only young players I would be willing to give more assetts than normal, and they probably have untradeable status at this point.

[CGD]

Scottie Barnes and Cade would be the only young players I would be willing to give more assetts than normal, and they probably have untradeable status at this point.

Barnes isn’t going anywhere, but I do think something will have to give in DET between Cade and Ivey at some point

[mystargtr34]

The Spurs should be looking to add a bigger wing next to Jeremy and Wemby in the front court. Looking through the standings to see who could be a decent fit with the criteria of being gettable, young enough to be on the timeline, useful etc.

Deandre Hunter (career 36% from 3 on volume, average rebounder, good size at 6’8, decent defender)

Patrick Williams (career 40% from 3 on decent volume, below average rebounder, good size, solid defender).

Jonathan Isaac (career 32% from 3, injury prone, elite defensively).

Obi Toppin (shocking defender, good finisher and 3 point shooter).

Really not much out there. Probably better off drafting a Risacher, Cody Williams, Ron Hopland, Buzelis.

[BacktoBasics]

The Spurs should be looking to add a bigger wing next to Jeremy and Wemby in the front court. Looking through the standings to see who could be a decent fit with the criteria of being gettable, young enough to be on the timeline, useful etc.

Deandre Hunter (career 36% from 3 on volume, average rebounder, good size at 6’8, decent defender)

Patrick Williams (career 40% from 3 on decent volume, below average rebounder, good size, solid defender).

Jonathan Isaac (career 32% from 3, injury prone, elite defensively).

Obi Toppin (shocking defender, good finisher and 3 point shooter).

Really not much out there. Probably better off drafting a Risacher, Cody Williams, Ron Hopland, Buzelis.

The haters would love Isaac. He’d put pop in the grave.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs should be looking to add a bigger wing next to Jeremy and Wemby in the front court. Looking through the standings to see who could be a decent fit with the criteria of being gettable, young enough to be on the timeline, useful etc.

Deandre Hunter (career 36% from 3 on volume, average rebounder, good size at 6’8, decent defender)

Patrick Williams (career 40% from 3 on decent volume, below average rebounder, good size, solid defender).

Jonathan Isaac (career 32% from 3, injury prone, elite defensively).

Obi Toppin (shocking defender, good finisher and 3 point shooter).

Really not much out there. Probably better off drafting a Risacher, Cody Williams, Ron Hopland, Buzelis.

No thanks on Patrick Williams. Spurs basically already have the same player in Champagnie and have him locked up through 25-26 at $3 million a year and with a $3 million a year team option for 26-27. Williams will likely cost 5x to 7x as much when some dumb GM bids against himself to land him because he was the #4 pick.

[R. DeMurre]

Jonathan Isaac is such a conundrum. He's missed so much time with injuries and has played this entire season on a minutes restriction, rarely playing even 20 mpg, but when on the floor he's elite defensively and in terms of overall impact. A healthy Isaac playing 32 mpg would be perfect next to Wemby (or anyone honestly), but it's so hard to know if he'll ever be able to do that. Just as a fantasy exercise, the idea of a Victor/Isaac/Ryan Dunn front court would have the potential to be an all time great defensive arrangement.

[LeBowen]

I feel like this team needs at least one experienced starter that would ease everyone's development.
There should be around 55 million in cap space if everyone on expiring deal walks, Granham's contract isn't guaranteed and Collins gets traded.

My rough idea of what would this summer look like if Spurs were to compete right away.

Tobias Harris isn't a legit all-star, but he's a high character veteran who'd be the most reliable scorer on our team and isn't that old. Will turn 32 in the summer. Never had any major injuries.
Would fix a lot of the spacing issues. I'd offer him a 3 year deal. Like 70/3 or something. 60/3 would be ideal, not many teams have cap space.

Buddy Hield as a 6th man, give him similar contract to what Doug got. 45/3 would be a good deal.

Then just get Trae if he asks out. Two of their three picks, Keldon+Collins+Branham.

Draft another wing.

Trae/Tre
Devin/Buddy
rookie/Champ/Cissoko
Tobias/Sochan
Wemby/whatever

Barlow, Bassey or vet min as Wemby's backup.
Sochan could start at SF, too. Spacing would be good enough.

Garland instead of Trae would also work.

Then in two years it would be easy to retool again. And move Devin if he doesn't take the next step.

If Spurs decide to draft a point guard, then the next season won't be as good. Never is with a rookie point guard, unless we strike gold.

I personally wouldn't trade any first rounders for players older than 28, unless it's a legit superstar, but I've got nothing against signing older players on 2 or 3 year deals to ease the transition.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1753835816839790960

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1753844218156523796

[JeffDuncan]

What do people think of Nic Claxton? …


Claxton has a career free throw percentage of .543, over five seasons including this one. He’s only useful close to the basket on offense, iow. His effective shooting range is within the restricted zone, about 4 feet.

But close to the basket, Claxton is good on both ends. He led the league last season in shooting percentage for dunks and bunnies, and he’s a good shot blocker. A good rebounder on both ends.

He’d be excellent on a team that needs what he offers - a specialist for work close to the basket, where you don’t expect much from the free throw line. Myself, based on what we’ve seen so far this season, I’d rather have Claxton than Collins, despite Claxton’s limitations. Because I’ve seen Collin’s limitations! Lol



He’s probably gonna be in the 20-25m range this summer.


Based on what? It’s true that contract prices have been going up significantly, but that seems to be mostly for players who are strong on the offensive end, with range. Claxton is currently paid $9.6 M, and for him to get more than twice that, hm. He’d have to be lucky.

[CGD]

5 FRP for Bridges?! That’s wild. He’s not even better than Vassell.

[bevo]

Do the timberwolves even have 4 1st round picks? Seems like Washington spreading false info

[Ignazzz]

2rds

[Ignazzz]

5 FRP for Bridges?! That’s wild. He’s not even better than Vassell.

my first reaction was: far away from truth
.. but WAit for a minute: quick stats comperisons per 36/100 pos and results make them more similar then expected. Stats are pretty close. Only stats

[CGD]

my first reaction was: far away from truth
.. but WAit for a minute: quick stats comperisons per 36/100 pos and results make them more similar then expected. Stats are pretty close. Only stats

Exactly. Mikal is a good player but, as in PHX is best as a second or third option.I suppose a lot of the driver of value for Mikal is that playoff teams want him to be the player he was in PHX (3rd best player on the team) — a finishing piece to a title team. Like Devin, he is definitely not slated to be “the guy” on a playoff team, but would be an excellent Robin. As you note, his stats are similar to Dev while being much older.

[Mr. Body]

OKC is the team with the sort of capital that could use Bridges.

[Ariel]

OKC is the team with the sort of capital that could use Bridges.
If Brookyn moves Bridges, they're tanking, and the best picks they can get are their own. Those are owned by Houston, who wants Bridges and also has a surpluss of young guys with potential. If I'm Houston I ask for all my picks back (2 picks, 2 swaps), plus a couple of prospects and be done with it.

[Mr. Body]

If Brookyn moves Bridges, they're tanking, and the best picks they can get are their own. Those are owned by Houston, who wants Bridges and also has a surpluss of young guys with potential. If I'm Houston I ask for all my picks back (2 picks, 2 swaps), plus a couple of prospects and be done with it.

I think Houston has already asked but won't trade back the picks BKN owes them. Similar to theoretical trades for Murray to SAS.

[CGD]

If Brookyn moves Bridges, they're tanking, and the best picks they can get are their own. Those are owned by Houston, who wants Bridges and also has a surpluss of young guys with potential. If I'm Houston I ask for all my picks back (2 picks, 2 swaps), plus a couple of prospects and be done with it.

I definitely think this is what’s going on (re Houston), though, I agree he’d be sick on OKC.

[CGD]

I think Houston has already asked but won't trade back the picks BKN owes them. Similar to theoretical trades for Murray to SAS.

BKN holding the line now, but do they really pass on a deal for say Green, Eason, and getting their 24FRP back (and whatever SRPs they want)?

I actually think that’s may even be an overpay for Bridges.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1753901490668818896

[Chinook]

Hopefully Lavine avoids being traded and comes back just healthy enough to give the Spurs the Bulls pick next year.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1753901490668818896

lmao the agency shouldn't be in that room

[exstatic]

lmao the agency shouldn't be in that room

Klutch breaks a lot of rules. It’s a horrible conflict of interest to have the league’s brightest stars own a representation agency with hundreds of clients league wide.

[mo7888]

Cameron Johnson with the Nets might be a good target. If the Nets do make a deal on Bridges (Hou for their picks back) then they'll blow it up. CJ would look pretty good next to Sochan.

[baseline bum]

BKN holding the line now, but do they really pass on a deal for say Green, Eason, and getting their 24FRP back (and whatever SRPs they want)?

I actually think that’s may even be an overpay for Bridges.

Green's been a huge disappointment so far, so that would be a bargain for Houston to land Bridges.

[baseline bum]

Cameron Johnson with the Nets might be a good target. If the Nets do make a deal on Bridges (Hou for their picks back) then they'll blow it up. CJ would look pretty good next to Sochan.

Cam Johnson would be nice as hell here but I'd rather not see Houston able to flip Green into Bridges. The West is already ridiculous enough.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Curious to see if any moves happen. This is one of the most quiet trade deadlines in recent memory for the league. Androgynous Adam has to be so sad.

[mo7888]

Curious to see if any moves happen. This is one of the most quiet trade deadlines in recent memory for the league. Androgynous Adam has to be so sad.

Yup... I'm guessing maybe one minor trade today...maybe one decent trade tomorrow and a bunch of little trades on Thursday that don't move the needle, but address some salary implications this summer..

[CGD]

Curious to see if any moves happen. This is one of the most quiet trade deadlines in recent memory for the league. Androgynous Adam has to be so sad.

In fairness, we had a handful of major trades last month in OG, Pasqual, Rozier. I dont really recall those types of deals happening the month before the deadline like that.

[BacktoBasics]

In fairness, we had a handful of major trades last month in OG, Pasqual, Rozier. I dont really recall those types of deals happening the month before the deadline like that.

I think we’re getting into a unique era where so many players have forced trades that so few teams have the assets to make trades. No sense in waiting for the last hour before the deadlines up if there aren’t any legitimate buyers that are capable of driving up the price at the last minute.

A lot of teams are fully leveraged. I’ve always thought the FO has done a good of keeping us out of cap and pick hell.

[cd98]

Likely to be a boring trade deadline and even more likely to be boring for the Spurs, who will not make any significant moves or trades.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think we’re getting into a unique era where so many players have forced trades that so few teams have the assets to make trades. No sense in waiting for the last hour before the deadlines up if there aren’t any legitimate buyers that are capable of driving up the price at the last minute.

A lot of teams are fully leveraged. I’ve always thought the FO has done a good of keeping us out of cap and pick hell.

That’s a great point regarding the FO. :tu

[mo7888]

I think we’re getting into a unique era where so many players have forced trades that so few teams have the assets to make trades. No sense in waiting for the last hour before the deadlines up if there aren’t any legitimate buyers that are capable of driving up the price at the last minute.

A lot of teams are fully leveraged. I’ve always thought the FO has done a good of keeping us out of cap and pick hell.

I have a little bit of a contrarian view. Since so few teams have anything to be buyers with, I'd put in a few low offers on fuys rumored to be on the block and see if anyone bites. If they don't youre not out anything.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm pretty sure a couple of teams will try to shed some salary cause of the new cap rules

[Mr. Body]

Reports are suggesting a sluggish midseason trade market for several reasons:

- No one really wants 2024 draft picks, because the class is so weak.
- Contenders don't want to trade future FRPs because they are one of the few ways to improve teams now with onerous apron rules and disappeared free agency.
- The play-in makes more teams think they have a shot at the playoffs resulting in fewer sellers.

So, the currency for movement has slowed down and more people consider themselves relevant meaning they're not dumping players they think they might still need. Future assets are restricting movement because a large percentage of future picks are stuck in the hands of a small percentage of teams. (This makes a team like Spurs buyers, but they are finnicky right now and there aren't actually many sellers.)

[spurraider21]

Reports are suggesting a sluggish midseason trade market for several reasons:

- No one really wants 2024 draft picks, because the class is so weak.
- Contenders don't want to trade future FRPs because they are one of the few ways to improve teams now with onerous apron rules and disappeared free agency.
- The play-in makes more teams think they have a shot at the playoffs resulting in fewer sellers.

So, the currency for movement has slowed down and more people consider themselves relevant meaning they're not dumping players they think they might still need. Future assets are restricting movement because a large percentage of future picks are stuck in the hands of a small percentage of teams. (This makes a team like Spurs buyers, but they are finnicky right now and there aren't actually many sellers.)
basically they're in a recession

[JPB]

I'm pretty sure a couple of teams will try to shed some salary cause of the new cap rules

There might indeed be a way to grab a couple quality vets, the new apron rules could potentially be extremely brutal for some teams. You can already see their repercussions.

[Mr. Body]

One problem teams over the tax apron (first or second, don't remember) is they can't pick up veterans who have been bought out whose salary was over the MLE. May have the details wrong. But essentially if Gordon Hayward got bought-out/waived by Charlotte, a lot of contenders couldn't pick him up because his salary was too high.

That's potentially huge.

[Kevin]

Spurs will sell McDermott Osman and Graham and move along as they should.

[spurraider21]

Spurs will sell McDermott Osman and Graham and move along as they should.
if they cant sell em off i imagine they just end up waiving graham to make room for barlow

[Kevin]

if they cant sell em off i imagine they just end up waiving graham to make room for barlow

Worst case they'll trade away Graham for a funny money second rounder that never covey's so they get out of the 2.5M guaranteed next year.

[spurraider21]

Worst case they'll trade away Graham for a funny money second rounder that never covey's so they get out of the 2.5M guaranteed next year.
who is going to want to take that on for no reason?

[Kevin]

who is going to want to take that on for no reason?

Graham is a volume three point shooter who could be a useful bench piece for a contender. Besides very few teams have cap space so 2.5M doesn't really move the needle cap wise all that much.

[spurraider21]

Graham is a volume three point shooter who could be a useful bench piece for a contender. Besides very few teams have cap space so 2.5M doesn't really move the needle cap wise all that much.
he also hasnt played basketball for like 10 months

he's going to get waived/bought out if we cant ship somebody out. if theyre able to offload cedi or mcdermott (probably the former who is actually playing at a decent level), then he may hang around until the end of the year and be waived in the offseason

nobody is trading for him

[poopbox]

Spurs will sell McDermott Osman and Graham and move along as they should.

2 of the 3 will be here the rest of the season. Maybe even all 3

[exstatic]

One problem teams over the tax apron (first or second, don't remember) is they can't pick up veterans who have been bought out whose salary was over the MLE. May have the details wrong. But essentially if Gordon Hayward got bought-out/waived by Charlotte, a lot of contenders couldn't pick him up because his salary was too high.

That's potentially huge.

Second apron, and yes, they lose the ability to play the buyout market, post trade deadline.

[mo7888]

The Utah Jazz are trading Simone Fonteccio to the Detroit Pistons for a 2024 second-round pick, sources tell ESPN.

Woj

Kevin Knox, 2024 second-round pick via Wizards and draft rights to Gabriele Procida to go Jazz in deal, sources tell ESPN.

[Ocotillo]

The Utah Jazz are trading Simone Fonteccio to the Detroit Pistons for a 2024 second-round pick, sources tell ESPN.

Woj

Kevin Knox, 2024 second-round pick via Wizards and draft rights to Gabriele Procida to go Jazz in deal, sources tell ESPN.

Now that the Simone Fonteccio situation has been resolved, this should break open the floodgates of trade activity. :lol

[baseline bum]

Don't know how McDermott would be on the move considering he makes $13.75 million. Same for Graham and his $12.1 million deal. Spurs aren't going to trade them for ~$10 million of dead money contracts just to get a second round pick. Those two are just matching salary if the Spurs make a picks for a vet kind of trade. Osman is cheap enough ($6.7 million) that I could see him end up moving somewhere though.

[Mr. Body]

Don't know how McDermott would be on the move considering he makes $13.75 million. Same for Graham and his $12.1 million deal. Spurs aren't going to trade them for ~$10 million of dead money contracts just to get a second round pick. Those two are just matching salary if the Spurs make a picks for a vet kind of trade. Osman is cheap enough ($6.7 million) that I could see him end up moving somewhere though.

If they're trading to get someone off the hook for salary next year.

[couchman]

I’d rather keep Osman and try re-sign him in the offseason.
We need a few decent veterans here and there

[exstatic]

If they're trading to get someone off the hook for salary next year.

This. People still aren’t understanding the second apron. That $10M that Graham’s contract can relieve a team of can make the difference between having your pick moved to the end of the first round and untradeable or not, or maybe losing the pick altogether or not.

[LeBowen]

There was some talk about Spurs finding hidden gems like some other teams did.
McBride seems to have a lot of potential and could be a solid player.

Knicks defense is great, but they need some more shooting on the bench.
Fournier's contract is a team option for the next season, so he's effectively an expiring. $18M.

I'd give them both Cedi and Doug for McBride and Fournier. Maybe even throw in a second or two.

[spurraider21]

Don't know how McDermott would be on the move considering he makes $13.75 million. Same for Graham and his $12.1 million deal. Spurs aren't going to trade them for ~$10 million of dead money contracts just to get a second round pick. Those two are just matching salary if the Spurs make a picks for a vet kind of trade. Osman is cheap enough ($6.7 million) that I could see him end up moving somewhere though.
ive been saying this. i think osman is the only one that a team might actually want to trade for to bolster the end of their rotation or something, but he's not going to fetch much at all.

nobody is trading for mcdermott/graham, unless the spurs are going to sign up for another summer of renting out cap space for cheap picks.

i think they're going to give barlow a big boy deal. either with the roster spot that osman vacates, or by waiving/buying out graham

[Ocotillo]

I think Graham is the one to go since he has been bubble wrapped all year. I also suspect they will try and keep Cedi and wish Doug best of luck wherever he can get a contract from.

[manufan10]

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[Kevin]

PJ Tucker looks washed for the Clippers and he has one more year left on his deal. Wish we could get something worthwhile if the Spurs traded Doug for Tucker while taking on an extra year of his contract.

[baseline bum]

If they're trading to get someone off the hook for salary next year.

For a second round pick? No thanks. Can't see anyone offering a real asset for one year of salary cap relief, and the Spurs can't trade for dead money that'll get in the way of being able to sign someone in 2025.

[baseline bum]

This. People still aren’t understanding the second apron. That $10M that Graham’s contract can relieve a team of can make the difference between having your pick moved to the end of the first round and untradeable or not, or maybe losing the pick altogether or not.

The pick moving to the end of the first round only happens for teams over the second apron for three years out of five, so not a concern for this year or next.

[Ocotillo]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1755344241880879259

[Mr. Body]

One less suitor in the Tyus Jones sweepstakes.

[manufan10]

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[scott]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFxDIXvakAAxx1N?format=jpg&name=small

[Mr. Body]

"We have enough second round picks, thanks."

[exstatic]

The pick moving to the end of the first round only happens for teams over the second apron for three years out of five, so not a concern for this year or next.

It starts this year, and there aren’t a ton of teams with cap room in any year. Are they really going to use it to help out these overspending assholes, or do they maybe improve their own team. Best to get off the second apron now.

If you are over the second apron this summer, even a first offender, you lose the ability to trade that furthest out FRP. Immediately. One July. Oh, and I think even though they eased it in last year with lesser penalties, it still counts as a year in the second apron. If they’re over this year, that’s two strikes already.

[spurraider21]

I think Graham is the one to go since he has been bubble wrapped all year. I also suspect they will try and keep Cedi and wish Doug best of luck wherever he can get a contract from.
if he was at least in the rotation, even as a reserve, he could have been showcased to be a trade piece. but nah

[spurraider21]

This. People still aren’t understanding the second apron. That $10M that Graham’s contract can relieve a team of can make the difference between having your pick moved to the end of the first round and untradeable or not, or maybe losing the pick altogether or not.
graham is a worse contract than mcdermott, and he hasnt played basketball for about 10 months. teams that just want to shed salary in that range would take on mcdermott, not graham, since he's not saddled with the extra 2.5 mil for next seasons' books

[Dejounte]

Weak Ass Trade Deadine Tbh

[spurraider21]

Weak Ass Trade Deadine Tbh
deadline is tomorrow tho

[Mr. Body]

It's not going to be active. Harden was traded months ago, Siakam and Anunoby already traded. There might be a few pieces like Brown but that's it.

[Mugen]

if he was at least in the rotation, even as a reserve, he could have been showcased to be a trade piece. but nah

Point guard minutes were at a premium this season tbh. Point Sochan and Point Malaki made sure of that :lol

[Leetonidas]

We know the Spurs ain't doing shit. They'll end up buying Graham and McDermott out so they can sign with playoff teams.

Around the NBA doesn't seem like much will be happening either. Aside from DJM possibly getting traded I doubt any significant moves will happen tomorrow

[BacktoBasics]

The whole “nothing should be rushed” pop thread should be a wake up call for a lot of people. This deadline should be a massive fucking wake up call for a lot people here. Team are locked up and we have a good 7-8 teams that are trying to get over the hump and into contention but don’t have any realistic leverage to make it happen.

So many teams have maneuvered their way to the playoffs but over leveraged themselves out of being contenders. You cannot just make big moves to marginally improve. You end up in the playoffs but out of contention and void of assets.

You have to strategize your moves opportunistically. Be extra prudent with draft stock.

Look at Anunoby. Great player. Great move. Probably still not contending.

We are smart to sit on a lot of things and let everyone else wear out their capital. That is not say that I’m against making moves. I’m definitely about the right moves.

[objective]

And if the Spurs do make a big move everyone will be "CIA POP!"

It's a no lose situation for Pop

[Mr. Body]

Posted elsewhere:

- 2024 picks are not widely coveted
- contenders don't have much wiggle room in terms of resources/assets
- few playoff teams have moveable future picks. this changes after this year's draft. a bit.
- new CBA has hammerlocked a lot of movement.
- the play-in has made two additional teams in each conference think they have something to play for. either they stay neutral or become buyers, not sellers.

[CGD]

^ also, as someone mentioned elsewhere, San Antonio has like the 3 most amount of SRPs of any team. Do they really need more?

[spurraider21]

miles bridges with 45/7/7 on 17-26 shooting

really curious to see what his next contract will look like. dude can obviously play, but is a scumbag

[exstatic]

miles bridges with 45/7/7 on 17-26 shooting

really curious to see what his next contract will look like. dude can obviously play, but is a scumbag

Someone will pay him some money, probably below his BB market value, to play for them next year. Wouldn’t be surprised of a 20/7 40% 3 point shooter could be had for the MLE.

[scott]

If not for being a complete POS human being, Bridges would have been a nice fit with Keldon and Sochan in the 3/4 rotation, at least offensively. Don't watch the Hornets enough to say how he is defensively. He was pretty good before his year off due to being a wife beater. I don't even know which team harbors these kinds of thugs anymore these days... maybe he's perfect for the Hornets.

[mo7888]

Indy nearing a Buddy Hield trade to philly

Shams

[mo7888]

Hmmm

The Utah Jazz are finalizing a trade to send C Kelly Olynyk and guard Ochai Agbaji to the Toronto Raptors for Kira Lewis, Otto Porter and a 2024 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.

Woj

[$pursDynasty]

has all the Herb Jones on the block talk dissipated? If not what would he cost? If the Spurs could land DJM and Herb they would get much better defensively and would answer the who takes shots at the end of the game and starting PG questions. I could see the Spurs acquring both without giving up too much if previous rumors have any validity.

[baseline bum]

Jeez Philly got Hield for nothing

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[Ariel]

has all the Herb Jones on the block talk dissipated? If not what would he cost? If the Spurs could land DJM and Herb they would get much better defensively and would answer the who takes shots at the end of the game and starting PG questions. I could see the Spurs acquring both without giving up too much if previous rumors have any validity.
I would love Herb Jones on the Spurs! I don't know that the current Spurs have something (worth giving) that NOLA would be interested in, though.

[baseline bum]

scott man, I figured you'd get a kick out of this reply to Woj's tweet :lol

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[mo7888]

Oklahoma City is closing in on a trade to acquire Gordon Hayward from Charlotte, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

Shams

[baseline bum]

Looks like Hayward to OKC

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[LeBowen]

Jeez Philly got Hield for nothing

Damn, I wanted Hield as a 6th man.

They'd be in a great situation if not for Embiid's injury.
They should shut him down and go all-in for the next season.

The only players left on their books after this season will be Embiid, Maxey (up for extension), Paul Reed and Jaden Springer.
They can keep both Buddy and Tobias in free agency with ease.

[baseline bum]

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[mo7888]

Oklahoma City is closing in on a trade to acquire Gordon Hayward from Charlotte, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

Shams

Tre Mann is apparently part of this package and they look at him as a pg with upside. Probably means they are out on topic and Dillingham in this draft..

[CGD]

Hmmm

The Utah Jazz are finalizing a trade to send C Kelly Olynyk and guard Ochai Agbaji to the Toronto Raptors for Kira Lewis, Otto Porter and a 2024 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.

Woj

How does that work if we have their 24FRP?

[exstatic]

Jeez Philly got Hield for nothing

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He’s 31, and a rental for the rest of this year. His 3 point shooting has dropped below 40% again, the line above which his lack of any other BB skill doesn’t matter. Below that mark, it matters.

[exstatic]

How does that work if we have their 24FRP?

They own Indy’s at#18. That will be the pick that goes out.

[Ariel]

How does that work if we have their 24FRP?
Toronto acquired 3 FRP in the '24 draft from Indiana, in the Siakam deal. It's one of those, probably Indiana's own.

[exstatic]

Toronto acquired 3 FRP in the '24 draft from Indiana, in the Siakam deal. It's one of those, probably Indiana's own.

Are you sure those were all 2024 FRPs? TaT only shows the Indy pick to Toronto this year.

[heyheymymy]

Two of the first-round picks going to the Raptors are for 2024 -- Indiana's own selection and the lesser of a Utah/Houston/LA Clippers/Oklahoma City pick -- while the third is for 2026 (from Indiana), it was announced.

"We're incredibly excited to welcome Pascal to Indiana," Pacers

[exstatic]

Two of the first-round picks going to the Raptors are for 2024 -- Indiana's own selection and the lesser of a Utah/Houston/LA Clippers/Oklahoma City pick -- while the third is for 2026 (from Indiana), it was announced.

"We're incredibly excited to welcome Pascal to Indiana," Pacers

Maybe that tangled pick is too complicated for TaT to project.

[mo7888]

Maybe that tangled pick is too complicated for TaT to project.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The first-round pick will be the least favorable of Oklahoma City/Clippers/Rockets/Jazz in 2024,

[Ariel]

Two of the first-round picks going to the Raptors are for 2024 -- Indiana's own selection and the lesser of a Utah/Houston/LA Clippers/Oklahoma City pick -- while the third is for 2026 (from Indiana), it was announced.

"We're incredibly excited to welcome Pascal to Indiana," Pacers


Maybe that tangled pick is too complicated for TaT to project.
https://www.si.com/nba/pacers/news/sources-indiana-pacers-three-draft-picks-traded-to-toronto-raptors-are-protected
2024 Indiana Pacers first-round draft pick, protected for selections 1-3 (currently slotted as pick 18).
2024 first-round draft pick via Oklahoma City (worst of Utah, Houston, LA Clippers, and OKC Thunder first-round selections). The Pacers acquired this pick during the 2023 NBA Draft and it currently sits at 27.
2026 Indiana Pacers first-round draft pick, protected for selections 1-4.

[vy65]

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Really liked Gafford

[TimmehC]

Dallas saw the way Gafford embarrassed Wemby and decided they need him.

[LeBowen]

Knicks getting Burks and Bogdanovic is huge for their rotation, they're legit now.

[exstatic]

Knicks getting Burks and Bogdanovic is huge for their rotation, they're legit now.

Can you post the tweet or link?

[LeBowen]

Can you post the tweet or link?

Tweets are broken for me, but it's Fouriner+Flynn for Bogdanovic.
Grimes for Burks.

Woj tweeted separately, but I guess it's one big trade.

[Seventyniner]

Can you post the tweet or link?

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[exstatic]

Tweets are broken for me, but it's Fouriner+Flynn for Bogdanovic.
Grimes for Burks.

Woj tweeted separately, but I guess it's one big trade.
Thanks!

[timtonymanu]

Did we trade Zollins for a bag of turd yet? (His actual worth)

[vy65]

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[heyheymymy]

Kinda cool how former KU college teammates Agbaji and Dick reunite in TOR now with that trade

[Mr. Body]

Gafford is a really nice player. How are they getting him that cheap.

[onechance87]

Gafford is a really nice player. How are they getting him that cheap.

right....Better not be for a couple second round picks.We could oif used him.

[Mr. Body]

1. Knicks building a great all-around team without using any of their draft picks. They're now a deep playoff contender who hasn't blown their firsts.

2. Washington and Detroit started their sell-off too late. OKC and Utah reaped the most by starting early (and had big assets to trade), the Spurs got in a little bit behind (and had lesser assets) and now all that's left are seconds.

[Dverde]

“We like what we have”

[scott]

scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) man, I figured you'd get a kick out of this reply to Woj's tweet :lol

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Art, I can do this all day

[Ariel]

1. Knicks building a great all-around team without using any of their draft picks. They're now a deep playoff contender who hasn't blown their firsts.

2. Washington and Detroit started their sell-off too late. OKC and Utah reaped the most by starting early (and had big assets to trade), the Spurs got in a little bit behind (and had lesser assets) and now all that's left are seconds.
Knicks are doing exactly the opposite of what most seem to want to to around here, which is have an urgency to use their assets (as if they were hot potatoes) to overpay for stars. After years of going that route, they were smart in their signings, they don't throw picks around, and only make smart use of them, in moderate amounts and for players that fit and are worth it. You have to hold your ground, otherwise the league stomps all over you. Good for Leon Rose, Daryl Morey, etc.

As for the Spurs, this time arournd there aren't many great assets to be traded, more likely they're last minute plan Z if everything else fails (McDermott, Osman) or a last minute cap move (sending expirings for contracts that run 1 more year, etc)

[scott]

Olynyk to Toronto is surprising to me. He was talked about as being sought after by a lot of contenders. Maybe Toronto isn’t hard tanking at this point after all.

[Ariel]

Olynyk to Toronto is surprising to me. He was talked about as being sought after by a lot of contenders. Maybe Toronto isn’t hard tanking at this point after all.
I think they were always on the fence, depending on results and offers to swing either way. It appears they've chosen a side.

[Mr. Body]

Olynyk to Toronto is surprising to me. He was talked about as being sought after by a lot of contenders. Maybe Toronto isn’t hard tanking at this point after all.

I don't know why people think Toronto is tanking. They're in a soft rebuild, clearly not tanking.

[Seventyniner]

I'm surprised the Thunder gave up as much as they did for Hayward. I will admit to not having watched much of Hayward recently but his stats say he's barely a replacement level player.

[Ariel]

I don't know why people think Toronto is tanking. They're in a soft rebuild, clearly not tanking.
Before the Anunoby and Siakam trade that was a distinct possibility, less likely by then, but with Poeltl also rumored to be on the market there were still doubts. If they keep Poeltl and acquire Olynyk to keep for themselves, then it's clear they're going for a mild rebuild, not a tank.

[mo7888]

Knicks are doing exactly the opposite of what most seem to want to to around here, which is have an urgency to use their assets (as if they were hot potatoes) to overpay for stars. After years of going that route, they were smart in their signings, they don't throw picks around, and only make smart use of them, in moderate amounts and for players that fit and are worth it. You have to hold your ground, otherwise the league stomps all over you. Good for Leon Rose, Daryl Morey, etc.

As for the Spurs, this time arournd there aren't many great assets to be traded, more likely they're last minute plan Z if everything else fails (McDermott, Osman) or a last minute cap move (sending expirings for contracts that run 1 more year, etc)

It seems to me that since this a buyers market that we should pivot frim trying to sell Doug etc to using them and attaching 2nds to become buyers. I don't mean just buy anything, but try and buy some complementary players on reasonable contracts.

[Mr. Body]

Before the Anunoby and Siakam trade that was a distinct possibility, less likely by then, but with Poeltl also rumored to be on the market there were still doubts. If they keep Poeltl and acquire Olynyk to keep for themselves, then it's clear they're going for a mild rebuild, not a tank.

There was never any indication of a tank. It was very clear they were moving players they had to either pay enormously to keep or move. Their mistake was keeping them too long, but they were only retooling, not tanking.

[Mr. Body]

Micic, who people here wanted to use a first round pick to acquire last summer, has been included in the trade from OKC to Charlotte. He's been pretty terrible, tbh.

[Ariel]

It seems to me that since this a buyers market that we should pivot frim trying to sell Doug etc to using them and attaching 2nds to become buyers. I don't mean just buy anything, but try and buy some complementary players on reasonable contracts.
I've always been in favor of being opportunistic buyers (never overpaying, though), but the FO seems to be fully commited to a more extreme approach.

[TD 21]

The Craptors were never re-building, hence the prioritization of young veterans over draft capital in the Anunoby trade.

Still, that shouldn't be confused with their unwillingness to tank down the stretch to give themselves the best odds of not suffering the ignominy of sending a mid lottery pick to the Spurs for a player who wasn't worth that to a contender, much less an also-ran.

[jjspur]

I don't know why people think Toronto is tanking. They're in a soft rebuild, clearly not tanking.

If whatever trade makes Toronto better and finishing higher than 6th worst, its better for us because we have their pick, (not that this is all that great a draft)

[manufan10]

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[Mr. Body]

Knicks are doing exactly the opposite of what most seem to want to to around here, which is have an urgency to use their assets (as if they were hot potatoes) to overpay for stars. After years of going that route, they were smart in their signings, they don't throw picks around, and only make smart use of them, in moderate amounts and for players that fit and are worth it. You have to hold your ground, otherwise the league stomps all over you. Good for Leon Rose, Daryl Morey, etc.

As for the Spurs, this time arournd there aren't many great assets to be traded, more likely they're last minute plan Z if everything else fails (McDermott, Osman) or a last minute cap move (sending expirings for contracts that run 1 more year, etc)

Well put. They also went for actual players instead of flash. Guys like Brunson and Hart weren't 'exciting,' but they'd played and won together before and contributed to a better team.

[mo7888]

The Raptors are trading Dennis Schroder to the Nets for Spencer Dinwiddie, sources tell ESPN.

[LeBowen]

Dinwiddie<->Schroeder trade, Raptors might be tanking after all.

[Mr. Body]

I feel like Schroeder is much better than Dinwiddie at this point. Odd. Wonder what else is there.

[Spurminator]

I like Dinwiddie a lot. Shame he can't seem to stick with any team.

[mo7888]

I feel like Schroeder is much better than Dinwiddie at this point. Odd. Wonder what else is there.

Clarify: Thad Young is coming to the Nets in the trade with DENNIS Schroder, sources said.

[Seventyniner]

The Raptors save $13M off next year's cap in the trade. Dinwiddie and Young are both expiring, Schroder has $13M due next season is a FA after that.

[Mr. Body]

Dennis Smith Jr going to Toronto. A decent defensive guard.

[scott]

Raps going for about as significant as an in-season roster overhaul as we've seen in a long time

[Ariel]

I feel like Schroeder is much better than Dinwiddie at this point. Odd. Wonder what else is there.
Toronto is dumping his contract that runs one more year for expirings, you have to think there's a reason he never sticks anywhere.

[Mr. Body]

Toronto has done a pretty fair job of retooling and getting decent younger assets given they had to dump Siakam and Anunoby and waited too long.

[vy65]

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Another solid move.

[Mr. Body]

PJ Washington to Dallas for Grant Williams, Seth Curry and a first.

[vy65]

Bwrong picked the best day possible to wfh

[scott]

Top 2-protected pick for PJ Washington... that's rich, Dallas not holding back.

[Robz4000]

:lol Dallas making all those moves to get Grant Williams only to dump him at the trade deadline

[Mr. Body]

Top 2-protected pick for PJ Washington... that's rich, Dallas not holding back.

That's... too much. Geez.

[Robz4000]

Top 2-protected pick for PJ Washington... that's rich, Dallas not holding back.

:lmao

[Mr. Body]

Is the Gafford trade off? I'd throw seconds at him or even the CHA.

[LeBowen]

Mavs just accelerated their Luka requests a trade timeline.

[spurraider21]

guys im really starting to think the hornets pick wont convey this year

[Ariel]

We've yet to see what draft compensation Charlotte gets from OKC in the Hayward deal, but so far I like what they've done. Also they got some guys who can play in return and kept Bridges (said to be expected to re-sign), so there's a small glimmer of hope that they may be better than expected next season... unlikely, but...

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol Mavs

[Kawhi Duncan]

The writing is on the wall since Pop made that "no rush" statement... He won't make trades because he wants to keep up this mystique about not making obvious decisions that should be made... Wants to be seen as a genius that knows more than all of us

[Seventyniner]

Royce O'Neale to the Suns for ballast and three seconds.

[scott]

Royce O'Neal to Phoenix for salaries and SRPs

[LeBowen]

The writing is on the wall since Pop made that "no rush" statement... He won't make trades because he wants to keep up this mystique about not making obvious decisions that should be made... Wants to be seen as a genius that knows more than all of us

Tbh, it's pointless to make a trade that would improve the team because the season is already over and the only thing Spurs could do is lose out on top3 odds.
But I don't see the reason for Doug and Cedi to still be on the roster.
Get a couple of seconds or at least a reclamation project.

[spurraider21]

i really liked mavs offseason, even if every move doesnt pan out as intended. and i really liked the reported gafford trade

but man, the extent of assets it took them to wind up with pj washington is kinda wild. and i like PJ!

[Dverde]

I wonder if Steph Curry would ask for a trade to Charlotte to save the franchise and play with his brother. They are loading up on picks. That could move him up in the all time rankings instead of going through a rebuild in Golden State.

[Chinook]

Is the Gafford trade off? I'd throw seconds at him or even the CHA.

Basically it's Gafford and PJ for Williams, Holmes and the first. It's not horrible, but the lack of legit protections make it hard to like it.

[baseline bum]

WTF is Dallas doing giving a 2027 first with only top 2 protection for PJ Washington?

[scott]

David Roddy apparently on the move as part of the Royce O'Neal deal

[Spurminator]

Grant Williams was not good on offense the past two months but I think Dallas gave up on him too quickly. I like him as a Bruce Bowen piece. Maybe when the Spurs are ready to compete they can get him for cheap.

[JPB]

Mavs panicking. I suppose they don't like the signs Luka is sending.

[Spurminator]

Mavs panicking. I suppose they don't like the signs Luka is sending.

Mark Cuban doesn't really have a reputation for patience either.

[scott]

Pat Bev to the Bucks, lol

[LeBowen]

Pat Bev to the Bucks, lol

Doc got his guy, lmao.

[CGD]

I dont get Toronto's strategy over these past few years. Acquiring Olynick, while giving up a valuable asset to do so no less, is just another middling move. It's there 2024 Jakob trade.

Good news i guess is that it should help our chances of getting their pick this year.

[JPB]

Just in, Woj bomb!

Spurs trade fundamentals, patience and rebuilding "plan" to Atlanta for Trae Young.

[Atl Spur]

lol….but but our front office doesn’t have a clue! I wish we could trade some flip floppers on this board:) Let the adults handle these matters…..

[Mr. Body]

Mavs panicking. I suppose they don't like the signs Luka is sending.

Really? They got two good bigs for barely anything. Grant Williams was a mistake.

[scott]

76ers sending one of their main rival one of the main things they needed is the kind of mistake we would expect Doc Rivers to make, not be the beneficiary of.

[CorrectCrusader]

76ers stay poverty

[Mr. Body]

I dont get Toronto's strategy over these past few years. Acquiring Olynick, while giving up a valuable asset to do so no less, is just another middling move. It's there 2024 Jakob trade.

Good news i guess is that it should help our chances of getting their pick this year.

Toronto is far better with a big in the middle. Olynick gives a different look than Poeltl, but he's a very good backup. They had to move Anunoby, who wasn't going to stay, and Siakam needed to be moved, too. In their place they got a number of good to decent pieces.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs legend Cam Payne on the move.

[BatManu20]

Killian Hayes being released lol. Couldn’t even find someone willing to give up a late SRP for him :lol. Colossal bust tbh.

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[Dverde]

Cam Payne for Patrick Beverly. Both teams lose.

[CorrectCrusader]

Killian Hayes YOU ARE A SPUR

[Ariel]

Killian Hayes YOU ARE A SPUR
I was about to post he was released by Detroit, please God DON'T PICK HIM UP!!!
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1755664126595015069
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[Dverde]

They’re doing Hayes a favor by releasing him now

[JPB]

Really? They got two good bigs for barely anything. Grant Williams was a mistake.

Only top two protected 2027 FRP pick for Washington is way too much. I believe they owe us a 2029 swap already. they would certainly get back a big haul of picks if Lula walks but not necessarily from that quality.

[Spurminator]

Killian Hayes being released lol. Couldn’t even find someone willing to give up a late SRP for him :lol. Colossal bust tbh.

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He's only 22, geez, give him 3 or 4 more years of important minutes to develop his fundamentals before you make a ruling on the guy.

[exstatic]

:lol Dallas making all those moves to get Grant Williams only to dump him at the trade deadline

Yeah,they gave away a swap for…nothing.

[jeebus]

He's only 22, geez, give him 3 or 4 more years of important minutes to develop his fundamentals before you make a ruling on the guy.

It's Detroit. They couldn't develop a case of the herpes if they wanted to.

[CorrectCrusader]

He's only 22, geez, give him 3 or 4 more years of important minutes to develop his fundamentals before you make a ruling on the guy.

He wanted out. He got what he wanted.

[exstatic]

I dont get Toronto's strategy over these past few years. Acquiring Olynick, while giving up a valuable asset to do so no less, is just another middling move. It's there 2024 Jakob trade.

Good news i guess is that it should help our chances of getting their pick this year.

It’s the worst of 4 or 5 FRPs, likely between 25 and 30. Posters here would call it trash.

[Ariel]

He's only 22, geez, give him 3 or 4 more years of important minutes to develop his fundamentals before you make a ruling on the guy.
I don't know if you're sarcastic, but he just had 4 years to prove he's worth something (waaaay too long), he's not worth the opportunity cost especially given he's offensively inept. Might as well keep Wesley

[JPB]

He wanted out. He got what he wanted.

Not sure Detroit is the best place for rookies to develop these days.

[Ariel]

I dont get Toronto's strategy over these past few years. Acquiring Olynick, while giving up a valuable asset to do so no less, is just another middling move. It's there 2024 Jakob trade.

Good news i guess is that it should help our chances of getting their pick this year.
They gave up a late first in a meh draft for a useful rotation guy in Olynyk who by himself would have commanded 2/3 2nds, AND recent lottery pick Agbaji. I don't see how it's a bad move for Toronto.

[scott]

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Give me all the Moneyball references!!!!!

[Ariel]

Not sure Detroit is the best place for rookies to develop these days.
No one in the league would have given him more chances than Detroit did, to the point it was ridiculous given their logjam at the position (Cunningham, Ivey, Sasser, Monte Morris, etc), when he was clearly the worst of the bunch.

[r0drig0lac]

He's only 22, geez, give him 3 or 4 more years of important minutes to develop his fundamentals before you make a ruling on the guy.

"..." :pop:

[Atl Spur]

Killian will get a looksy; he’s probably better than what was shown in Detroit. Pop loves lefty point guards

[JPB]

If Hayward can stay healthy, OKC may win the deadline.

[Seventyniner]

Maybe I was just hallucinating before, but I would have sworn that the Spurs had traded away their own second in this year's draft but were going to get Washington's second, which will also be in the #32-34 range.

But looking at the future drafts page on RealGM shows that the Spurs only owe their second to the Suns with unspecified protections or to the Celtics protected 31-54 (not going to convey), and the Spurs will get the Lakers' second this year.

I'm not sure why I remembered this wrong, but unless the pick to the Suns is only protected #31-32 or something (highly unlikely imo), the Spurs should have their own second this year. That's only 5-6 picks at most behind the late first that Toronto sent to Utah.

[Rocalcio]

I’m pretty sure Hayes will be given a chance in SA, that’s worth a try and might make Wemby happy. Just for this reason it’s worth the try actually.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't be surprised if we bring Killian in assuming we buyout someone. I'm ambivalent about it, but it can't hurt to kick the tores and if nothing else it won't hurt our draft standing.

[Ariel]

I’m pretty sure Hayes will be given a chance in SA, that’s worth a try and might make Wemby happy. Just for this reason it’s worth the try actually.


I wouldn't be surprised if we bring Killian in assuming we buyout someone. I'm ambivalent about it, but it can't hurt to kick the tores and if nothing else it won't hurt our draft standing.
Oh, for fuck sakes, NO!!! Spurs can't take another offensively inept prospect to develop!!! how many PG prospects that are years away can you take on??

[CGD]

Come to SA Killian

[JPB]

On another note, welcome to the NBA Micic :lol

[LeBowen]

Killian can't be worse than Malaki...right?

[JPB]

Killian can't be worse than Malaki...right?

He's going to Madrid anyway.

[Rocalcio]

Oh, for fuck sakes, NO!!! Spurs can't take another offensively inept prospect to develop!!! how many PG prospects that are years away can you take on??

The most needed thing isn’t an offensive player but a point guard who can feed Victor, this guy can.

[manufan10]

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[CGD]

He's going to Madrid anyway.

Is that right? i suspected he would head to a big club there.

[CGD]

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Obviously. We should root for that to fail tbh

[Ariel]

The most needed thing isn’t an offensive player but a point guard who can feed Victor, this guy can.
If you're not a threat to shoot or slash, you'll make his life even more difficult than it already is.

[Mr. Body]

They gave up a late first in a meh draft for a useful rotation guy in Olynyk who by himself would have commanded 2/3 2nds, AND recent lottery pick Agbaji. I don't see how it's a bad move for Toronto.

It's a great move for Toronto.

[Mr. Body]

If Hayward can stay healthy, OKC may win the deadline.

Dude's 33 and hasn't played more than 50 games in a season since he was 28. It's a pretty good move but may only help for a year or two if he's not just a salary slot. Knicks probably won the deadline in a major way.

[Atl Spur]

If you're not a threat to shoot or slash, you'll make his life even more difficult than it already is.

Tre jones is not a better pg than killian ( size nor skill for the position ).

[Mugen]

Tre jones is not a better pg than killian ( size nor skill for the position ).

:lol

[Ariel]

Tre jones is not a better pg than killian ( size nor skill for the position ).
:lol he's much better than Hayes, it's not even close.

[exstatic]

The most needed thing isn’t an offensive player but a point guard who can feed Victor, this guy can.

He can’t feed Victor IF HIS MAN IS PARKED IN VICTORS LAP. He’s a worse shooter than almost anyone on our roster.

[Mr. Body]

Tre jones is not a better pg than killian ( size nor skill for the position ).

Tre Jones is 100% better than Killian Hayes. I've posted comparisons between them many times.

[Mr. Body]

Damn Phoenix has a $245 million roster even before having to resign Grayson Allen and Royce. Wish we could have some of their late decade picks.

[Atl Spur]

Tre Jones is 100% better than Killian Hayes. I've posted comparisons between them many times.

Hmmmm ……….if you say so. Our current pgs can’t dribble, shoot, or playmake.

[Atl Spur]

I think buddy has some untapped talent.

[baseline bum]

Killian can't be worse than Malaki...right?

He's worse than Wiseman

[Mr. Body]

Hmmmm ……….if you say so. Our current pgs can’t dribble, shoot, or playmake.

Tre Jones erasure.

[baseline bum]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/842/755/493.jpg

[Mugen]

Doug should be able to get you a few 2nds at least :lol

[Mr. Body]

Doug should be able to get you a few 2nds at least :lol

I don't think there's much market for him, tbh. Osman maybe but the team likes him around.

[exstatic]

Damn Phoenix has a $245 million roster even before having to resign Grayson Allen and Royce. Wish we could have some of their late decade picks.

Their cupboard is bare, and they are well and truly fucked. Every SRP out to the limit is trade, as is every abpvailable FRP, including swaps in the off years. I think we have our first contestant on Forfeit Your Furthest FRP.

[Seventyniner]

Their cupboard is bare, and they are well and truly fucked. Every SRP out to the limit is trade, as is every abpvailable FRP, including swaps in the off years. I think we have our first contestant on Forfeit Your Furthest FRP.

Also our first warning sign to other teams who might go balls deep like the Suns did.

If the Suns somehow turn out fine-ish then other teams might be willing to brave multiple years above the second apron if it means true title contention. If the Suns end up in talent hell for years because they can't replenish through the draft it could make the second apron a very dire threat, making the second apron about as close to a hard cap as the league has seen.

[JPB]

Dude's 33 and hasn't played more than 50 games in a season since he was 28. It's a pretty good move but may only help for a year or two if he's not just a salary slot. Knicks probably won the deadline in a major way.

He's certainly not a long term investment but he was putting like 15/5/5 this year before being sidelined for a calf injury and OKC was really looking for versatility at the wing whch they got with Hayward who brings shooting and passing, plus his experience...OKC is at the top of the West and adding a quailty vet like that for a PO push is what you want at the deadline for a team like them... And he's in the last year of his contract...

But it's true Knicks deadline is very solid.

[Atl Spur]

No troll. I gotta see him in a better environment before I can write him off. Our pgs currently aren’t starting material as is.

[Mugen]

I don't think there's much market for him, tbh. Osman maybe but the team likes him around.

there's absolutely a market for a guy shooting 44% from 3 that can give you 5-10mins in a playoff game tbh.

[Robz4000]

there's absolutely a market for a guy shooting 44% from 3 that can give you 5-10mins in a playoff game tbh.

:pop: it wouldn't be fair to Doug. We need to let him choose his next team while paying his salary.

[Mr. Body]

there's absolutely a market for a guy shooting 44% from 3 that can give you 5-10mins in a playoff game tbh.

Teams would have to match salary and it seems like most contenders are going for bigs or wing defense.

[vy65]

I don't think there's much market for him, tbh. Osman maybe but the team likes him around.

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[BatManu20]

McBuckets to the Pacers for yet another SRP lol

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[Mr. Body]

Well there he goes

[RC_Drunkford]

Doug for a 2nd rounder

[vy65]

lol mrs. body, right on cue

[Kevin]

Doug will do well in Indy next to all those stars.

[vy65]

Can the Pacers just take McDipshit into space? Isn't he a 12MM contract?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Finally getting Marcus Morris? :lmao

[NASpurs]

He's going back there?

[Mr. Body]

Dom Barlow you are now a Spur

[Seventyniner]

How many seconds is that for the Spurs now? 24?

[RC_Drunkford]

LOL we’re getting Marcus Morris 6 years too late

[spurraider21]

i thought there was no shot doug got traded, thought maybe cedi, but not doug. glad to be wrong. not that a future SRP is exciting, but not the worst outcome