spurs trade rumors

[BatManu20]

Spurs finally acquiring Marcus Morris only to immediately buy him out :lol

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[Atl Spur]

Surprised osman isn’t moved.

[Degoat]

Spurs fcking love 2nds lol

[Robz4000]

:lmao fucking Morris

[Seventyniner]

DNP Morris until March 2 and then cut him.

[vy65]

lol so wtf is up with Graham? We actually played McDumbfuck

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

DNP Morris until March 2 and then cut him.

Don't think he's making the flight to SA. His ass is getting cut as we speak.

[jjspur]

My guess is that the spurs wait to see who gets bought out after all the trades. Killian Hayes has been mentioned but he pretty much sucks. There will be other players cut so they be waiting to see who's available. They did get a disabled player exception for Bassey so maybe that money is used. Who knows, this is a lost season.

Expect McNuggets or Graham to be released to give them an opportunity to catch on some where else and then possibly elevate Barlow.

[scott]

Surprised we moved Doug, honestly. Thanks for the memory, McBuckets.

[LeBowen]

I approve of this trade only if Pop doesn't allow Morris to be bought out and sends his ass to Austin until the end of the season.

[Seventyniner]

Don't think he's making the flight to SA. His ass is getting cut as we speak.

Cutting him on March 2 would mean he couldn't play in the playoffs.

Pop isn't vindictive like that. But in this case I wish he was.

[Spurminator]

It's Detroit. They couldn't develop a case of the herpes if they wanted to.


He wanted out. He got what he wanted.


I don't know if you're sarcastic, but he just had 4 years to prove he's worth something (waaaay too long), he's not worth the opportunity cost especially given he's offensively inept. Might as well keep Wesley


"..." :pop:

:lol

Yes that was sarcasm.

[Dverde]

DNP Morris until March 2 and then cut him.

We should agree to buy him out then wait a week and tell him we changed our mind.

[Dverde]

I approve of this trade only if Pop doesn't allow Morris to be bought out and sends his ass to Austin until the end of the season.

Spurs can tell him to go home, but they can’t make him go to Austin.

[The Truth #6]

lol so wtf is up with Graham? We actually played McDumbfuck

It's super weird. And he seems engaged and happy on the bench.

[Mugen]

Like I said, there's absolutely a market for Doug :lol

[Spurminator]

Sayonara, Liberty Biberty guy.

[baseline bum]

The dream is dead

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[scott]

Toronto reportedly will immediately waive Dinwiddie, avoiding a $1.5MM bonus for games played.

[vy65]

It's super weird. And he seems engaged and happy on the bench.

Maybe the thought is he takes McFucknuggets minutes now?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Cutting him on March 2 would mean he couldn't play in the playoffs.

Pop isn't vindictive like that. But in this case I wish he was.

Good point.

Pop is seemingly in such a DGAF mood lately that he might just do it. If not then Wright. If not then RC.

[baseline bum]

ROFL cheap bastards

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[LeBowen]

Well, it's over.

More or less nothing relevant happened except for Knicks becoming legit contenders.

[Mr. Body]

Well, it's over.

More or less nothing relevant happened except for Knicks becoming legit contenders.

I still need to figure this crap out but Dallas improved pretty well imo. Phoenix made helpful moves but their future is bleak.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Maybe the thought is he takes McFucknuggets minutes now?

That would make sense. Build up Graham's value so we can get a 2nd rounder for him this summer. By my count the Spurs now have 10% of all the available 2nd round picks with the probability of 2 more if Charlotte doesn't make the playoffs next year. That would be 23 SRPs. That has to be some kind of record...

[Spurminator]

ROFL cheap bastards

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Dallas should look to get him back. They need a backup PG (and a starting PG for half the games when Kyrie is out), and he played some of his best ball there.

[Mugen]

When does Collins become tradeable? Would be great to package him and Graham this summer (I think Graham's contract becomes guaranteed on 7/1) tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Quietly, Bulls did nothing, not even Caruso or a very good Drummond. DdR has maybe suggested he's staying.

Anyway, to keep an eye on considering our pick from them starts next year. Doesn't look like a tear down certainly.

[Ariel]

When does Collins become tradeable? Would be great to package him and Graham this summer (I think Graham's contract becomes guaranteed on 7/1) tbh.
This offseason, but the Spurs would have to pay a good first to get rid of him (2 years @ about 35M... ouch). Better to wait until the '25 offseason when he becomes expiring, it'll be cheaper and that's the earliest the cap space will be needed IMO.

[poopbox]

Can't believe we didn't move Graham.

[scott]

This offseason, but the Spurs would have to pay a good first to get rid of him (2 years @ about 35M... ouch). Better to wait until the '25 offseason when he becomes expiring, it'll be cheaper and that's the earliest the cap space will be needed IMO.

The only problem with waiting until the '25 offseason is that it means we'll have to suffer a full year of him playing meaningful minutes.

[Dverde]

The dream is dead

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It was always better to trade for him in the off-season and continue our tankathon for the rest of the year.

[DPG21920]

I highly doubt spurs have to give up a first to trade Collins. I bet 2 2nds would get it done.

Im guessing Morris and Graham both get waived

[Ariel]

The only problem with waiting until the '25 offseason is that it means we'll have to suffer a full year of him playing meaningful minutes.
Yeah, well... I think that ship has sailed, the FO screwed up with the kind of contract they gave him, nobody will take that without additional incentive.
Another possibility is that he's flipped exactly a year from now (by the '25 trade deadline) for an expiring contract. That shouldn't be as expensive since it's only one year (though at a high price).

[Ariel]

I highly doubt spurs have to give up a first to trade Collins. I bet 2 2nds would get it done.

Im guessing Morris and Graham both get waived
It's a horrendous contract, better players than him are making half his money, and his contract runs 2 more years. Not even a first would likely be enough if you try to trade them by this offseason.

[DPG21920]

It's a horrendous contract, better players than him are making half his money, and his contract runs 2 more years. Not even a first would likely be enough if you try to trade them by this offseason.

I’ll take that bet

[Ariel]

I’ll take that bet
It's an opinion, not a challenge. You've got a gambling problem :lol

[Atl Spur]

It's a horrendous contract, better players than him are making half his money, and his contract runs 2 more years. Not even a first would likely be enough if you try to trade them by this offseason.

I’d love to get in on that bet also…. His contract will serve its purpose:) Devonte graham made 12.5 mil this year and we crying over Zach? Come on bruh

[Dverde]

We were all witnesses to apex McNuggets. The stories we will tell.

[Mugen]

This offseason, but the Spurs would have to pay a good first to get rid of him (2 years @ about 35M... ouch). Better to wait until the '25 offseason when he becomes expiring, it'll be cheaper and that's the earliest the cap space will be needed IMO.

Packaging him with Graham who is only partially guaranteed before 7/1 makes Zollins' contract easier to swallow hence my question on exact timing when his contract becomes tradeable.

[Spurminator]

Dallas should look to get him back. They need a backup PG (and a starting PG for half the games when Kyrie is out), and he played some of his best ball there.

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[Mugen]

I highly doubt spurs have to give up a first to trade Collins. I bet 2 2nds would get it done.

Im guessing Morris and Graham both get waived

Graham's contract has value. Him being waived/bought out would be dumb AF but I wouldn't be surprised tbh.

[lebomb]

YES!!!! We did nothing. :claw

[DPG21920]

It's an opinion, not a challenge. You've got a gambling problem :lol

It’s true - I love me some gamblin’

[DPG21920]

Graham's contract has value. Him being waived/bought out would be dumb AF but I wouldn't be surprised tbh.

We will see, it’s possible. I was more thinking it was just doing right by him, but if SA has plans for a bigger trade in off season his contract may be useful then.

[Mugen]

We will see, it’s possible. I was more thinking it was just doing right by him, but if SA has plans for a bigger trade in off season his contract may be useful then.

If they wanted to do right by him then they should have traded him or bought him out earlier this season instead of killing any value outside of his contract by refusing to play him when they had a huge need at PG for the 1st half of the year.

Buying him out now instead of trying to trade him again in the offseason (when other pieces become tradeable) would be super dumb :lol

[scott]

Buying out Graham so he can land with a playoff team would likely pan out about the same way waiving Stanley Johnson did.

[Atl Spur]

We must really like Cedi; he’s a cool bench piece.

[The Truth #6]

They likely won't be trading Collins. Given their patience level, they will wait for him to improve to how well he was playing last year. Granted, he was playing well iirc at the end of the season when everyone was tanking, so to me another reason not to trust end of season stats. But whatever. It's a two year deal.

[Mal]

Weird nobody took Grahama contract to clear their books for next season

[Mr. Body]

Collins was the Spurs' best player at the end of last year. Clearly his confidence is shot and he's trying to figure out his role. Many teams would be overjoyed to have him. Maybe he doesn't return to form, but once again Spurs fans despise nothing more than their own players or misunderstand anything more than their own players.

[Mr. Body]

Weird nobody took Grahama contract to clear their books for next season

They still can this summer. I think his salary counts fully against the team's cap, though, even if the team doesn't have to pay the whole thing if he's cut.

[DPG21920]

Collins was the Spurs' best player at the end of last year. Clearly his confidence is shot and he's trying to figure out his role. Many teams would be overjoyed to have him. Maybe he doesn't return to form, but once again Spurs fans despise nothing more than their own players or misunderstand anything more than their own players.

Agree. He’s not a bad player, but with Wemby moving to Center it killed his value for SA. But plenty of teams would be fine with his deal IMO in the right role.

[timtonymanu]

Had me until “many teams would love to have him.” lol if that were the case, we should have just traded him earlier.

[DPG21920]

Bruno - what is the rule for someone like Graham’s salary in a trade for outgoing purposes? He’s owed only 2.5M if hes waived by July 1st, but if SA trades him before does his full salary get used and then other team can waive him for only 2.5M owed to save money?

[Mal]

They still can this summer. I think his salary counts fully against the team's cap, though, even if the team doesn't have to pay the whole thing if he's cut.

If you cut him before 1 july, you clear 9,8 mil in cap space for 24/25

[TD 21]

Given that the Grizzlies were in talks for Hayes and can offer a bigger role, I'd imagine he signs with them.

Spurs will be better off continuing to audition Wesley before he's potentially buried for good this off season.

[Trill Clinton]

Killian Hayes is one of the worst players in the league. Ya'll really want him on this team??

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Bruno (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2449) - what is the rule for someone like Graham’s salary in a trade for outgoing purposes? He’s owed only 2.5M if hes waived by July 1st, but if SA trades him before does his full salary get used and then other team can waive him for only 2.5M owed to save money?

I'm not Bruno, but I can answer this.

Under the new CBA after this season ends and before his guarantee date (july 1st) his outgoing salary for trading purposes will be equal to the lesser of his current salary and the guaranteed part of next year's, which means it's going to be $2.85 mil. Thus no team would be able to shed salary by waivig him. If anyone wanted to do it they would have had to do it today.

So, no - his contract isn't valuable. It's been a ST fantasy for a while that teams will begin sending valuable picks only to reduce their tax a little.

[Mr. Body]

Trey Lyles was dogshit for Denver, Utah, and us, and is now a good rotation guy for Sacto. Someone will give Hayes a chance. Who knows.

[JPB]

Crazy how the narratives went from "decent" to "horrendous contract" in 6 months for Zollins... He's certainly having a bad year and getting benched clearly hit his confidence.. He may also experimenting the psychological aftermath of his injury and having to fight to come back and basically playing for his career with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove to himself... There might some unconscious decompression.

Or he just sucks, I don't know.

[baseline bum]

The only problem with waiting until the '25 offseason is that it means we'll have to suffer a full year of him playing meaningful minutes.

Turned out to be one of those expensive mistakes

[The Truth #6]

Weird nobody took Grahama contract to clear their books for next season

I imagine the league is curious, like Spurs fans, why he gets zero minutes on a terrible team. It's hard to say that improves his trade value.

[Atl Spur]

Given that the Grizzlies were in talks for Hayes and can offer a bigger role, I'd imagine he signs with them.

Spurs will be better off continuing to audition Wesley before he's potentially buried for good this off season.

If he’s being short sighted; Ja, Marcus smart will be ahead of him next year. He might have a legitimate roll here if he plays well.

[Bruno]

I'm not Bruno, but I can answer this.

Under the new CBA after this season ends and before his guarantee date (july 1st) his outgoing salary for trading purposes will be equal to the lesser of his current salary and the guaranteed part of next year's, which means it's going to be $2.85 mil. Thus no team would be able to shed salary by waivig him. If anyone wanted to do it they would have had to do it today.

So, no - his contract isn't valuable. It's been a ST fantasy for a while that teams will begin sending valuable picks only to reduce their tax a little.

Couldn't have said it better. It isn't really a great trade asset.

I might just add that Spurs could raise his guaranteed part of his contract to match salaries in a trade. Last summer, Phoenix did that with Chris Paul.

[TD 21]

If he’s being short sighted; Ja, Marcus smart will be ahead of him next year. He might have a legitimate roll here if he plays well.

For a guy like Hayes, it's far more about finding a guaranteed contract in the off season. They can give him the best opportunity to do so.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I imagine the league is curious, like Spurs fans, why he gets zero minutes on a terrible team. It's hard to say that improves his trade value.

Seems like the Spurs have to give the Demarre Carroll / Thaddeus Young treatment to one vet per season.

[scott]

I imagine the league is curious, like Spurs fans, why he gets zero minutes on a terrible team. It's hard to say that improves his trade value.

Lots of other options for teams to shed salary that via the Spurs' chief towel waver, who is still owed $2.5MM next year. Typical ST fantasy, like BG_Spurs_Fan points out.

[Atl Spur]

For a guy like Hayes, it's far more about finding a guaranteed contract in the off season. They can give him the best opportunity to do so.

We have a backup starting and kid trying to learn the position vs them having more decorated players at the position. I’m not getting your logic.. we have more money to offer plus the France connection

[spurraider21]

lol so wtf is up with Graham? We actually played McDumbfuck
graham's contract is more yucky. for all intents and purposes both graham and mcnuggets were expiring contracts, but graham comes with a 2.5mil cap hit in 24-25 as well. less desirable

[TD 21]

We have a backup starting and kid trying to learn the position vs them having more decorated players at the position. I’m not getting your logic.. we have more money to offer plus the France connection

It's still better than a two-way player (Gilyard) and a hardship exception player (Pippen Jr.).

Wesley is in the mold of Hayes and the Spurs invested a draft pick in him, so they might as well give him a longer runway rather than blocking him with a further along version.

[spurraider21]

Weird nobody took Grahama contract to clear their books for next season
that would only work if the spurs agreed to take on bad salary for next season. its not clear that their plan is just to rent out cap space again like they did this year

[Atl Spur]

It's still better than a two-way player (Gilyard) and a hardship exception player (Pippen Jr.).

Wesley is in the mold of Hayes and the Spurs invested a draft pick in him, so they might as well give him a longer runway rather than blocking him with a further along version.
We shall see….

[SpursBills]

Quiet deadline. Mavs looking desperate here. Wemby-Luka spurs vs SGA-Chet-Giannis thunder is going to be a banger 2nd round matchup in 2027

[RC_Drunkford]

We shall see….

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[scott]

Derrick, Dejounte, Dakob, Doug. Pop hate players who name starts with D. Vassell and Barlow better sleep with one eye open this summer.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1755724690549592285

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1755724257529565227

[exstatic]

I'm not Bruno, but I can answer this.

Under the new CBA after this season ends and before his guarantee date (july 1st) his outgoing salary for trading purposes will be equal to the lesser of his current salary and the guaranteed part of next year's, which means it's going to be $2.85 mil. Thus no team would be able to shed salary by waivig him. If anyone wanted to do it they would have had to do it today.

So, no - his contract isn't valuable. It's been a ST fantasy for a while that teams will begin sending valuable picks only to reduce their tax a little.
This. It’s funny, because the Spurs regularly used this loop hole, and they closed it. Many teams would trade a player, with a wink deal to re-sign him after being waived. After we did it with Brent Barry, they shut that down, too.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Pistons_PR/status/1755718966348333261

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1755724257529565227

Damn thats harsh. Must’ve been trash

[spurraider21]

Derrick, Dejounte, Dakob, Doug. Pop hate players who name starts with D. Vassell and Barlow better sleep with one eye open this summer.
ah yes. Dakob Poeltl

[BacktoBasics]

Damn thats harsh. Must’ve been trash

A problem child that never had any productive minutes.

[Mr. Body]

Charlotte fired their coach because he didn't play Kai Jones or James Bouknight.

[baseline bum]

Wish Murray had gotten traded for Grimes and picks to make those ATL picks stronger.

[DPG21920]

I'm not Bruno, but I can answer this.

Under the new CBA after this season ends and before his guarantee date (july 1st) his outgoing salary for trading purposes will be equal to the lesser of his current salary and the guaranteed part of next year's, which means it's going to be $2.85 mil. Thus no team would be able to shed salary by waivig him. If anyone wanted to do it they would have had to do it today.

So, no - his contract isn't valuable. It's been a ST fantasy for a while that teams will begin sending valuable picks only to reduce their tax a little.


Appreciate it - I remembered a change to that rule recently but didn’t recall exactly how it worked. Thanks again for answering

[poopbox]

Collins was the Spurs' best player at the end of last year. Clearly his confidence is shot and he's trying to figure out his role. Many teams would be overjoyed to have him. Maybe he doesn't return to form, but once again Spurs fans despise nothing more than their own players or misunderstand anything more than their own players.
:lmao

[Mr. Body]

:lmao

I mean, it's true. I get that there's an orgy of pissing and moaning here, but not everyone is a child.

[Chinook]

I think many teams would've been interested in post-ASB 2023 Collins. He was a productive big on a good contract. I think if the Spurs could've seen the future, they would've traded him during last off-season to a team who needed what Collins provided on paper. I agree the dude's been more cursed that bad this year, but he's also been bad and is being paid too much to be bad. I don't have him as that hard of a contract to move if the Spurs make an aggressive trade, but they'd have to pay quite a bit to get cap space and would still have to pay about a first to get an expiring for him this summer.

[Mr. Body]

He's clearly a better player than this. He's clearly struggling with confidence and a different role. He's clearly not the only player struggling on a bad team.

It's just people who know jack shit about anything, much less basketball, compensating with a circlejerk of pissing and moaning. It's beyond stupid. More than likely he'll be fine in the long run. Otherwise they can move him and he'll be fine somewhere else.

[vy65]

He's clearly a better player than this. He's clearly struggling with confidence and a different role. He's clearly not the only player struggling on a bad team.

It's just people who know jack shit about anything, much less basketball, compensating with a circlejerk of pissing and moaning. It's beyond stupid. More than likely he'll be fine in the long run. Otherwise they can move him and he'll be fine somewhere else.

Based on what? At this point, this seasons sample size is larger than last’s, so what we’re seeing is the norm compared to an aberration. He’s an under-sized, shitty defending big who can’t make any sort of a dent in a game, unless he’s a focal point - and your team is irrevocably fucked if MMA Daniel-son is a key point of your game plan. That’s to say nothing of his contract.

And considering the sheer volume of your abortion-tier takes, you might want to stop with the old man act, take a look at the mirror, and just shut the fuck up for a minute.

[NASpurs]

He's clearly a better player than this. He's clearly struggling with confidence and a different role. He's clearly not the only player struggling on a bad team.

It's just people who know jack shit about anything, much less basketball, compensating with a circlejerk of pissing and moaning. It's beyond stupid. More than likely he'll be fine in the long run. Otherwise they can move him and he'll be fine somewhere else.

You like to hear yourself talk. Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up already.

[poopbox]

He's clearly a better player than this. He's clearly struggling with confidence and a different role. He's clearly not the only player struggling on a bad team.

It's just people who know jack shit about anything, much less basketball, compensating with a circlejerk of pissing and moaning. It's beyond stupid. More than likely he'll be fine in the long run. Otherwise they can move him and he'll be fine somewhere else.

Are you zach collins?

[vy65]

Here’s a highlight from earlier in this very thread:


I don't think there's much market for him, tbh. Osman maybe but the team likes him around.

Literally minutes later

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[timtonymanu]

You like to hear yourself talk. Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up already.

Any loser that was “in” on Primo has no credibility.

[Atl Spur]

Any loser that was “in” on Primo has no credibility.

lol and the saga continues; no Livio Jean Charles references? Grow up homie

[JPB]

Dallas praying Luka is staying (player option in 2026).

In a few months they gave up or owe:

- top two 2027 FRP to WAS
- 2028 FRP swap with OKC
-2029 unprotected FRP to BKN
-2030 FRP swap with SA

Talk about jeopardizing your future.

[timtonymanu]

lol and the saga continues; no Livio Jean Charles references? Grow up homie

Chill homie. Wasn’t even a jab at you.

[CGD]

Dallas praying Luka is staying (player option in 2026).

In a few months they gave up or owe:

- top two 2027 FRP to WAS
- 2028 FRP swap with OKC
-2029 unprotected FRP to BKN
-2030 FRP swap with SA

Talk about jeopardizing your future.

Woah, hadn’t appreciated that. That’s terrible management. Duka is definitely a flight risk

[spurraider21]

I think many teams would've been interested in post-ASB 2023 Collins. He was a productive big on a good contract. I think if the Spurs could've seen the future, they would've traded him during last off-season to a team who needed what Collins provided on paper. I agree the dude's been more cursed that bad this year, but he's also been bad and is being paid too much to be bad. I don't have him as that hard of a contract to move if the Spurs make an aggressive trade, but they'd have to pay quite a bit to get cap space and would still have to pay about a first to get an expiring for him this summer.
post ASB collins was a legitimately good and very versatile offensive player. wasnt much on defensively, but wasnt a trainwreck either.

he might be more cursed defensively than last year with people scoring through contact against him seemingly at all, but the outside shooting falling apart is on him. being a good high post passer and ability to score hooks in the low post is nice, but the shooting is what made him worth the money, and that has completely evaporated.

people wouldnt care as much about his defense if he was still bringing that complete package on the other end

[Mr. Body]

post ASB collins was a legitimately good and very versatile offensive player. wasnt much on defensively, but wasnt a trainwreck either.

he might be more cursed defensively than last year with people scoring through contact against him seemingly at all, but the outside shooting falling apart is on him. being a good high post passer and ability to score hooks in the low post is nice, but the shooting is what made him worth the money, and that has completely evaporated.

people wouldnt care as much about his defense if he was still bringing that complete package on the other end

I see a player whose confidence is shot. It may come back.

As for his defense, he's undersized. He was actually pretty good defending the post but now that's gone. His size is closer to a PF than an actual C.

[RedAzSa]

I also think that Collins is targeted more aggressively on defense due to Wemby's presence. If the opposing team wants to attack the backet, they know their opportunity is when Victor sits.

[gambit1990]

i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.

[Mr. Body]

i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.

He's already 31 and starting slip, though. The trade Toronto made for Ochai Agbachi is more in line with what they could do, go for a young, recent lottery pick who isn't quite turning out on his present team but has promise and the skill set you're looking for. Not saying him, but that sort of thing.

[exstatic]

i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.

He doesn’t really need evaluating. He has one NBA skill, three point shooting. If he’s above 40% his warts and lack of other skills can be overlooked. Below that mark, and those issues really do matter. He was at38% this year, which is why they moved him.

[Ariel]

i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.
Indiana evaluated him plenty which is why they moved him to Philly. Not worth 3 2nd round picks for a 2 month rental or, worse yet, a gross overpay. Pass.

[scott]

I'd be happy to look at Buddy to fill the McBuckets role next year on a 2yr/$7M deal (which I kinda thought we'd do with Doug)... but no real need to evaluate him, he's a pretty known quantity at this point.

[quentin_compson]

So Zach Collins is secretly still maybe somewhat great, but Buddy Hield is terrible now because his three point shooting percentage dipped under 40 percent for now --- some of you guys are hilarious.
Buddy Hield has been a reliable high-volume shooter for years, and most likely, the Pacers moved him because they couldn't come to an agreement with him as far as an extension goes, and because they think he doesn't fit their time line. Zach Collins is a complete nobody in this league and no one will be interested in him as a player beyond his contract. I don't mind his extension at all - it was a reward for him being healthier and showing some flashes as a stretch big. However, he has been absolutely terrible this season, he doesn't do any defending or rebounding or shooting at a reasonable clip, and I really hope that PATFO see this as well and won't extend him any further.

[exstatic]

So Zach Collins is secretly still maybe somewhat great, but Buddy Hield is terrible now because his three point shooting percentage dipped under 40 percent for now --- some of you guys are hilarious.
Buddy Hield has been a reliable high-volume shooter for years, and most likely, the Pacers moved him because they couldn't come to an agreement with him as far as an extension goes, and because they think he doesn't fit their time line. Zach Collins is a complete nobody in this league and no one will be interested in him as a player beyond his contract. I don't mind his extension at all - it was a reward for him being healthier and showing some flashes as a stretch big. However, he has been absolutely terrible this season, he doesn't do any defending or rebounding or shooting at a reasonable clip, and I really hope that PATFO see this as well and won't extend him any further.

In his heyday in Sacto, he was shooting ~43%. He’s recently been hovering around 38%. Let’s examine the difference in those two numbers. If you put up 100 shots at the 43% rate, you score 129 points. If you put up100 shots at the 38% rate, you score 114 points. That extra 15 points allows you to keep him the floor in spite of the fact that he plays no defense, and is not a connector. Miami was ready to throw a similar player, Duncan Robinson, into any trades last summer for similar reasons. His 3 point shooting had dropped to 31%, and his minutes from 27 to 16. It’s hazardous to pay any real amount of money to a shooting specialist.

[TD 21]

I'd be happy to look at Buddy to fill the McBuckets role next year on a 2yr/$7M deal (which I kinda thought we'd do with Doug)... but no real need to evaluate him, he's a pretty known quantity at this point.

Hield is probably going to command a 2/3 year in the range of $40/$60M contract.

He's not really a Spurs type and as a starting caliber/6th man, poor defender, the wing/perimeter defense would be even worse than it is.

[ace3g]

The Jazz have waived forward Kevin Knox (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/knoxke01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2024-02-09_bbr), the club officially announced today in a press release (https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/utah-jazz-waive-kevin-knox-ii). Knox spent a single day on Utah’s roster, having been acquired (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/02/jazz-to-trade-simone-fontecchio-to-pistons.html) from Detroit in the Simone Fontecchio (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fontesi01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2024-02-09_bbr) trade prior to Thursday’s deadline.

[Tyronn Lue]

Spurs don't need anyone else since they are making the playoffs next year, or so I read here.

[Ariel]

It’s hazardous to pay any real amount of money to a shooting specialist.
The poster child for this being Davis Bertans

[wildbill2u]

It seems to me that many folks here simply forget to factor in the effects of age on players skillsets. Centers and PFs age better because they don't rely on speed to as much to defend or get to their favorite shot locations.

SG, PGs, and SFs often incorporate at least some speed into their skillsets when they come into the league, but when the legs start to go (usually around age 30), they gradually lose their abilities to stay in the rotation and their minutes decline. Stars and Superstars often fight off the "over 30 decline" for a while because they are able to develop different skills compared to players who are "one trick pony". Heild looks like a player who may have hit the age 30 wall.

You can't fool Mother Nature for too long.

[exstatic]

The poster child for this being Davis Bertans

Bertans, Hield, and Duncan Robinson all fit this description. You need shooting specialists, but the trick is to not overpay them.

[CGD]

The poster child for this being Davis Bertans

Doug…

[Ariel]

Doug…
No, Doug's shooting was always at an elite level, he was overpaid but his contract was always movable (say, neutral). Bertans signed that big contract and his shooting got significantly worse, that made him useless and his contract became toxic. Same as Duncan Robinson for a while, but he rehabbed his value this season.

[gambit1990]

pretty jealous of the moves the mavs made.

obviously the teams are in two different positions. but they really shored up a glaring weak point.

only one game but they spanked okc pretty good today. i would've liked either of the two bigs the mavs traded for on the spurs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=812AwBWWAJ0

[CGD]

^ we’ll see. They gave up a lot of good stuff, including a 30FRP swap to the Spurs, for basically PJ Washington. Is PJ that guy tho?

[gambit1990]

^ we’ll see. They gave up a lot of good stuff, including a 30FRP swap to the Spurs, for basically PJ Washington. Is PJ that guy tho?
the mavs desperately needed bigs / toughness / people who could rebound.

like i said, it has only been one game but having those two over solely relying on dwight p:lolwell and maxi is huge.

this helps them match-up better against the nuggets, clips too. if one of their stars goes down then i could see dallas winning a series against either team now.

[JPB]

pretty jealous of the moves the mavs made.

obviously the teams are in two different positions. but they really shored up a glaring weak point.

only one game but they spanked okc pretty good today. i would've liked either of the two bigs the mavs traded for on the spurs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=812AwBWWAJ0

Doesn't move the needle that much for them, and doesn't really make them legit contenders. And I'm not sure a second or even first round exit is worth losing all the draft capital they did these past months. That's kind of Finals or bust when you have a player like prime Luka on your team, all the more after trading for Irving. They may be panicking a bit.

[objective]

Too bad Spurs couldn't get in on that OKC-CHA trade to pick off Mic

A grown up who could run the show and actually pass in the pick and roll

But the good news is that with the high pick this year, some presumed sign and trade return for Bridges or just keeping him, and the return of Ball and development of Miller and some health luck with Mark Williams ...

Maybe the Hornets pick accidentally conveys next year if they make the play-in. :lol

[gambit1990]

Doesn't move the needle that much for them, and doesn't really make them legit contenders.
it moves the needle a lot. they can win a round or two in the playoffs now.

but i agree, i don't have them as legit contenders. at least not after one game. they're in the tier below now though, which is why the needle moved a lot.



They may be panicking a bit.
the mavs panicking? oh, for sure. but they did exactly what they needed to tbh. they addressed a glaring weakness + luka isn't gonna stick around five more years to see what draft picks might pan out.

PJ and daniel are under great contracts. i spend this summer trying to move kyrie, other dead weight and the mavs might be contenders next year.

[Mr. Body]

Getting some good bigs who can be targets for Doncic was brilliant for Dallas. They've given up a bit, but they're actually credible now, some shrewdness. The West is going to see some teams decay and disappear (Warriors, Lakers, eventually Clippers, probably Suns) leaving space for a competitive Mavericks.

[r0drig0lac]

Too bad Spurs couldn't get in on that OKC-CHA trade to pick off Mic

A grown up who could run the show and actually pass in the pick and roll

But the good news is that with the high pick this year, some presumed sign and trade return for Bridges or just keeping him, and the return of Ball and development of Miller and some health luck with Mark Williams ...

Maybe the Hornets pick accidentally conveys next year if they make the play-in. :lol
they sure didn't try

[tbdog]

That mavs deal isn't very strong. I don't think PJ could even close for them in a playoff game. They might not have a choice though.

[mystargtr34]

That mavs deal isn't very strong. I don't think PJ could even close for them in a playoff game. They might not have a choice though.

Why couldn’t he close?

[JPB]

it moves the needle a lot. they can win a round or two in the playoffs now.

but i agree, i don't have them as legit contenders. at least not after one game. they're in the tier below now though, which is why the needle moved a lot.



the mavs panicking? oh, for sure. but they did exactly what they needed to tbh. they addressed a glaring weakness + luka isn't gonna stick around five more years to see what draft picks might pan out.

PJ and daniel are under great contracts. i spend this summer trying to move kyrie, other dead weight and the mavs might be contenders next year.

I thought they brought Kyrie just for that.

[poopbox]

^ we’ll see. They gave up a lot of good stuff, including a 30FRP swap to the Spurs, for basically PJ Washington. Is PJ that guy tho?

Depending on what Luka does and if the spurs are any good that swap could be nothing. Most pick swaps in general end up being exactly nothing.

[gambit1990]

i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGMZyJIWYAEjtwZ?format=jpg&name=small

[Pauleta14]

Not a rumour but not sure where to post this....

What do u guys think of Brogdon as a Vet + PG cheaper more complete solution than Trae, even if less impactfull on offense?

Do you think Portland would be open to a trade?

He really fits the profile and timming imo

[KobesAchilles]

Not a rumour but not sure where to post this....

What do u guys think of Brogdon as a Vet + PG cheaper more complete solution than Trae, even if less impactfull on offense?

Do you think Portland would be open to a trade?

He really fits the profile and timming imo
Historically the dude is made of glass. And while he shoots the 3 ball well, he isn't really a point guard I would want to initiate the offense either. I'm not really sure there is a fix for PG other than drafting one tbh

[Pauleta14]

There clearly isn't much choice on the market but do we need a pure PG with Victors's playmaking skills?

No sure about his physic tbh u might be right but I find him being the best combinaison of exeprience, playmaking and shooting that we need , all at a decent cost compared to high risks high cost like Trae

He always sturk me as having a Spurs profile

[Splits]

DBust has an opt-out this summer

[spurraider21]

DBust has an opt-out this summer
im not crazy about D-Bust overall but this is something he's gotten really good at

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[John B]

Patty Mills got waived! I rather not with this team already atrocious defense.

Any thoughts on picking up Killian Hayes? A fellow french guy, pass-first guard, athletic and can defend. Not a good 3pt shooter though.

[spurraider21]

no and no

if we really needed a patty, then graham would have seen minutes

hayes has basically been the worst player in the nba since getting here :lol

[slick'81]

Patty mills:lol

[Splits]

I'd take Patty... if he agreed to bring back the player/coach ala Lenny Wilkens, letting Pop retire to a chateau in Bordeaux

[John B]

I like Killian Hayes as a reclamation project. The kid is only 22 and can really pass and defend. I don’t know if it’s a bad Detroit Pistons team who’s heavy on guards, and really nobody to pass too. But Wemby is a 7’4 fellow french guy and can be an easy target. But he needs a ton of work at shooting. The Spurs could try and let him go if it doesn’t work out.

[spurraider21]

I like Killian Hayes as a reclamation project. The kid is only 22 and can really pass and defend. I don’t know if it’s a bad Detroit Pistons team who’s heavy on guards, and really nobody to pass too. But Wemby is a 7’4 fellow french guy and can be an easy target. But he needs a ton of work at shooting. The Spurs could try and let him go if it doesn’t work out.
being french should not be part of the evaluation

we dont need more non-shooters unless they are truly exceptional in other areas. hayes is not

[Pauleta14]

I like Killian Hayes as a reclamation project. The kid is only 22 and can really pass and defend. I don’t know if it’s a bad Detroit Pistons team who’s heavy on guards, and really nobody to pass too. But Wemby is a 7’4 fellow french guy and can be an easy target. But he needs a ton of work at shooting. The Spurs could try and let him go if it doesn’t work out.

If chip Engeland was still here I’d say why not try. But we need shooting

[baseline bum]

What's not to love about the worst player on the worst team in the league? Hayes made Wiseman look NBA level. Why get a poor man's Tre Jones when we already have Tre Jones?

[Atl Spur]

What's not to love about the worst player on the worst team in the league? Hayes made Wiseman look NBA level. Why get a poor man's Tre Jones when we already have Tre Jones?

Jones can’t dribble ( handle pressure ) or effectively distribute. Benefits.Giving hays a look can’t hurt…..a free look.

[LeBowen]

Jones can’t dribble ( handle pressure ) or effectively distribute. Benefits.Giving hays a look can’t hurt…..a free look.

If you think Jones can't dribble, you haven't seen much of Hayes.
I'd legit take Wesley over Hayes and I don't think Wesley will be in the league after his rookie deal.

[John B]

I like Tre except he could get overwhelmed on defense especially by bigger guards. As Atl Spur said, Hayes is a free look on a 22 years old who can pass and defend. His career FT is 77% so his shooting could be improved. He was drafted too high and over Halliburton, so that there's more expectations. But for a free-look? It's not gonna hurt. Already the team is losing :lol