spurs trade rumors

[RC_Drunkford]

from reports that came out nobody offered more than 1 draft pick and a player so I doubt they will ever get what they asked for, especially since everybody knows they are trying to get rid of him

[exstatic]

I mean 2 seconds is what we are likely talking about here….

I’d rather spend more and get a better player. Just because it’s a mid pick that could convert to seconds doesn’t mean it’s a bargain.

[scott]

On paper, ATL's asking price looks high, but there are teams like NYK who have an abundance of shitty picks that technically satisfy "two FRPs". NYK could include Grimes and all it takes is for Atlanta to say he is a starting-level player in a press conference and boom, they've met their asking price and can save face with the casual fan base.

Main question is going to be what ATL values more: the optics of the deal or getting the best return possible. The latter may very well come from San Antonio, but the Hawks likely don't want to be viewed as getting bent over by Brian Wright twice for the same player.

[spurraider21]

good example of how stories born out of "league sources" can be complete bullshit. now im not sure the original account is even reporting or repeating a story from a reputable source, so it could just be a troll post to be fair

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[TimmyBuckets]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFcwrfUupw&t=26s

[spurraider21]

^legit one of the worst nba youtube channels out there

he just looks at random trending rumors on twitter and makes clickbait videos about them. and ive seen at least one video where he just outright fabricates quotes, including one from coach pop :lol

5:15 of this video

maybe im wrong, but i could not believe the quote when i came across the video, and could not find it anywhere. plus sounds nothing like pop


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feiS4Uw0U1I

[scott]

good example of how stories born out of "league sources" can be complete bullshit. now im not sure the original account is even reporting or repeating a story from a reputable source, so it could just be a troll post to be fair

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Keith Smith is great, needs to be given more props for all things cap related

[mystargtr34]

Darius Garland would be nice for the Spurs.

Unfortunately Mitchell is a FA this off-season and the Cavs likely feel he’s gone so they need to keep Garland.

If they can get Mitchell to re-sign then Garland would be available because those two are a horrible fit together.

[Atl Spur]

Darius Garland would be nice for the Spurs.

Unfortunately Mitchell is a FA this off-season and the Cavs likely feel he’s gone so they need to keep Garland.

If they can get Mitchell to re-sign then Garland would be available because those two are a horrible fit together.
Spida has a player option next offseason….they have time to sort it out.

[mystargtr34]

Another guy who would suit the Spurs is Anfernee Simons.

He’s redundant if the Blazers plan to keep Sharpe and Scoot and doesn’t fit the same timeline.

Neither Garland or Simons are great defenders so you’d have to surround them with at least one really good wing defender which the Spurs haven’t got atm.

Would prob take the Charlotte FRP, Raptors FRP and Chicago FRP to get Simons.

[mystargtr34]

Spida has a player option next offseason….they have time to sort it out.

You are right for some reason thought he had one less year left. Garland is probably available but it would take a decent haul of 1sts to get him.

[Atl Spur]

You are right for some reason thought he had one less year left. Garland is probably available but it would take a decent haul of 1sts to get him.

Garland has a huge contract….30+ annually for multiple years. I don’t see it working here but I get where you are going:) Simons however would be nice!!!!

[Kevin]

Another guy who would suit the Spurs is Anfernee Simons.

He’s redundant if the Blazers plan to keep Sharpe and Scoot and doesn’t fit the same timeline.

Neither Garland or Simons are great defenders so you’d have to surround them with at least one really good wing defender which the Spurs haven’t got atm.

Would prob take the Charlotte FRP, Raptors FRP and Chicago FRP to get Simons.

Simons is another Vessel/Keldon type player making 25M a year. No thanks.

[hoopdreams11]

Garland’s missed about 15-30% of games since coming into the league he’s only played 20 games this year

[baseline bum]

Another guy who would suit the Spurs is Anfernee Simons.

He’s redundant if the Blazers plan to keep Sharpe and Scoot and doesn’t fit the same timeline.

Neither Garland or Simons are great defenders so you’d have to surround them with at least one really good wing defender which the Spurs haven’t got atm.

Would prob take the Charlotte FRP, Raptors FRP and Chicago FRP to get Simons.

Meh no thanks on a 6'3" shooting guard who doesn't really do anything all that well except volume scoring. It's like Portland is determined to make a worse version of Dame + McCollum and expecting that to work this time.

[R. DeMurre]

Meh no thanks on a 6'3" shooting guard who doesn't really do anything all that well except volume scoring. It's like Portland is determined to make a worse version of Dame + McCollum and expecting that to work this time.


Yeah, I just don't get it. The undersized backcourt experiment is one that fails 99.9% of the time, but countless teams still think they'll be the ones to buck the trend. It hasn't produced a single championship in the last 30 seasons, regardless of the individual talents involved.

[Mr. Body]

Meh no thanks on a 6'3" shooting guard who doesn't really do anything all that well except volume scoring. It's like Portland is determined to make a worse version of Dame + McCollum and expecting that to work this time.

Aren't you a guy who really wants to draft Dillingham?

[baseline bum]

Aren't you a guy who really wants to draft Dillingham?

Yeah to play point on a rookie contract

[objective]

Garland is interesting but also a huge turnover machine. Zach Collins blushes at the turnovers Garland gets

[Mr. Body]

Rob Dillingham v. Darius Garland in their college years. Garland's shooting percentages were very high, but he only played 5 cupcake November games against Liberty, Winthrop, Alcorn State, etc.

Their size/builds were very similar.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=rob-dillingham--darius-garland

[TD 21]

I know all the drawbacks of Young, but I'm sick of all the half measures and hopefuls and Wembanyama is too good already to rely on those.

If he tries to force his way out this off season and wants to come here, offer the Murray package back to them, plus Collins, Jones, Graham and maybe one more 1st for him and Capela.

Then target Risacher in the draft and Burks or Wright in free agency . . .

Starters: Sochan, Risacher, Wembanyama, Vassell, Young

Bench: Johnson, Capela, Burks or Wright, Champagnie, Wesley, Branham, Barlow, Cissoko

[The Truth #6]

I know all the drawbacks of Young, but I'm sick of all the half measures and hopefuls and Wembanyama is too good already to rely on those.

If he tries to force his way out this off season and wants to come here, offer the Murray package back to them, plus Collins, Jones, Graham and maybe one more 1st for him and Capela.

Then target Risacher in the draft and Burks or Wright in free agency . . .

Starters: Sochan, Risacher, Wembanyama, Vassell, Young

Bench: Johnson, Capela, Burks or Wright, Champagnie, Wesley, Branham, Barlow, Cissoko



Ultimately I agree with this. He would be our 1b, if not 2nd option completely behind Victor so not the same situation Atlanta deals with, also, as a muted defense of Trae and Atlanta problems, they have horrible ownership issues and chaos for a few years now, and that factors into the chaos on the court eventually.

I hope he demands a trade to us so for the first time ever we can be on the receiving side of things. Anyway, with Trae on board, it simplifies what pieces are needed, not to oversimplify, but 3 and D, basically.

[mystargtr34]

Meh no thanks on a 6'3" shooting guard who doesn't really do anything all that well except volume scoring. It's like Portland is determined to make a worse version of Dame + McCollum and expecting that to work this time.

I see Simons as more of a combo guard who would play the 1. I hate undersized backcourts as much as anyone so wouldn’t want anything to do with Simon’s playing the 2 guard next to another small PG.

Wemby
Sochan
Risacher or Cody Williams or
Vassell
Simons

Was the lineup I was thinking.

I’m terms of other options I agree Trae Young is by far the best gettable option at PG, then there’s a drop off to Garland, then another small drop off to Simons. Young will cost a lot though.

[The Truth #6]

I agree Young would cost a lot. That's why there would have to be an unlikely pressure of he forcing his way to SA, and there's still a low chance he would get here.

[objective]

If it goes into the summer, ATL would probably hold out for the Spurs 24 pick plus the Murray haul so they could begin the rebuild with 2 lotto picks (including their own presumably). And if Toronto keeps losing that pick could defer to next season or beyond, leaving SA without any lotto picks

The other credible bidder for Young would be the long speculated Wolves trade for Towns. Minnesota might want the cheaper Young and Conley is close to the end.

[mo7888]

If it goes into the summer, ATL would probably hold out for the Spurs 24 pick plus the Murray haul so they could begin the rebuild with 2 lotto picks (including their own presumably). And if Toronto keeps losing that pick could defer to next season or beyond, leaving SA without any lotto picks

The other credible bidder for Young would be the long speculated Wolves trade for Towns. Minnesota might want the cheaper Young and Conley is close to the end.

Then let them hold out until after the draft...

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs fans: Young is good offensively, but we want a PG who can also play defense, but not Dejounte cause he posts on instagram.

[scott]

Mew Spotrac trade machine. Still in Beta but will likely be way better than ESPN's.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know all the drawbacks of Young, but I'm sick of all the half measures and hopefuls and Wembanyama is too good already to rely on those.

If he tries to force his way out this off season and wants to come here, offer the Murray package back to them, plus Collins, Jones, Graham and maybe one more 1st for him and Capela.

Then target Risacher in the draft and Burks or Wright in free agency . . .

Starters: Sochan, Risacher, Wembanyama, Vassell, Young

Bench: Johnson, Capela, Burks or Wright, Champagnie, Wesley, Branham, Barlow, Cissoko

:lol you are tired of half measures and hopefuls so want Young.

Nevermind, what it would take to get him.

[scott]

One thing that I just noted that is worth keeping in mind in regard to any trade with ATL.

They have a likely-to-convey Lotto pick from SAC due to them this year that turns into 1-12 protected next year and 1-10 protected the year after. SAC is currently in 7th, but tied in the loss column for 5th in the west.

ATL may not be looking for another pick in 2024, or if they did want the TOR pick on draft day, maybe you could get the SAC pick back.

[CGD]

I wonder how much it would cost to get De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks.
If ATL is keen on cutting long term salary, could he be had for expirings and a single quality FRP?

I feel that dude desperately needs a change of scenery, and his contract is very reasonable for the position he plays.

[Chinook]

Meanwhile, I just came across this idea on RGM: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2351905

[objective]

I wonder how much it would cost to get De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks.
If ATL is keen on cutting long term salary, could he be had for expirings and a single quality FRP?

I feel that dude desperately needs a change of scenery, and his contract is very reasonable for the position he plays.

I'm sure he is available for a first and expirings, he's been a massive disappointment and is hurt all the time

I've considered him as part of a deal to get Young, having to eat Hunter's contract to get the deal done

[scott]

Meanwhile, I just came across this idea on RGM: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2351905

Judging by the handful of comments, seems like this hit the rare feat of being universally hated by both sides.

[Chinook]

Judging by the handful of comments, seems like this hit the rare feat of being universally hated by both sides.

So far, the only person talking about it from Washington's perspective thinks the Wizards should be getting more picks for Deni and that Poole has positive value.

Conventional wisdom is that if both sides are unhappy it's probably a fair deal. I would bristle is someone told me that wisdom holds here because of what I consider to be a horrible take from that Wizards poster.

[scott]

I largely hate it because it includes Jordan Poole and an untouchable Spurs asset (ATL '25)

[CGD]

Meanwhile, I just came across this idea on RGM: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2351905

Terrible. I want nothing to do with low bbiq chucker Poole, or including any 25 FRP.

[spurraider21]

Meanwhile, I just came across this idea on RGM: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2351905
Love that you called it weird instead of calling him a fucking moron

[Chinook]

Love that you called it weird instead of calling him a fucking moron

That's what you have to do to survive on RGM with those mods.

[DPG21920]

Meanwhile, I just came across this idea on RGM: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2351905

Lmao that is an awful deal for SA on what planet is Poole a positive with his deal/play let alone enough to give up two lottery picks for

[exstatic]

I wonder how much it would cost to get De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks.
If ATL is keen on cutting long term salary, could he be had for expirings and a single quality FRP?

I feel that dude desperately needs a change of scenery, and his contract is very reasonable for the position he plays.

Hunter is fucking awful, and one of the worst defenders on a bad defensive team.

[TD 21]

If Johnson has to be plugged in (in place of some draft capital) to fill the "good, young player" role in the package, so be it.


:lol you are tired of half measures and hopefuls so want Young.

Nevermind, what it would take to get him.

Not sure what's funny about that. Virtually all of the names kicked around here in recent months fit that description, but really wouldn't solve the issue long term.

Only the Thunder and Jazz can outbid the Spurs, but the former has no use for him and it's probably unlikely the latter would get involved, especially if he makes it clear he'd have no interest in being traded to them.

[RC_Drunkford]

I wonder how much it would cost to get De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks.
If ATL is keen on cutting long term salary, could he be had for expirings and a single quality FRP?

I feel that dude desperately needs a change of scenery, and his contract is very reasonable for the position he plays.

Hunter has the same defensive rating as Trae Young

[CGD]

Hunter is fucking awful, and one of the worst defenders on a bad defensive team.

I think that’s largely the ATL factor though. After Jollins, he is the Exhibit A of the BS Trae “hasn’t gotten the help he deserves” narrative. A change of scenery would do that guy wonders.

[exstatic]

I think that’s largely the ATL factor though. After Jollins, he is the Exhibit A of the BS Trae “hasn’t gotten the help he deserves” narrative. A change of scenery would do that guy wonders.

The problem is, he’s already getting paid,and you’re hoping he comes around to be something. That’s a quick way to strangle your cap.

[Kevin]

I see more inferior assets in exchange for inferiors players trade scenarios. Weird fascination.

Its much better to keep the cap clean or add a bonafide star than adding guys like Hunter or Murray. People need to aim higher or save the ammo.

[poopbox]

I see more inferior assets in exchange for inferiors players trade scenarios. Weird fascination.

Its much better to keep the cap clean or add a bonafide star than adding guys like Hunter or Murray. People need to aim higher or save the ammo.

For who? What free agent is signing here?

[exstatic]

For who? What free agent is signing here?

The cap and contracts are also used in trades. If you get stuck with a $100M stinker like Hunter’s deal, that shit is on your cap for four years, unless you pay someone to take it.

[Kevin]

For who? What free agent is signing here?

We can trade for a star and wont have to match salaries. Huge incentive for another team to deal with us.

[poopbox]

The cap and contracts are also used in trades. If you get stuck with a $100M stinker like Hunter’s deal, that shit is on your cap for four years, unless you pay someone to take it.

Don't think the spurs are going to build a competitive team by just sitting around with a bunch of cap space waiting for situations like this to occur.

[wildbill2u]

We need a little patience around here to see what develops. After working pretty hard to get all this cap space and draft choices it doesn't seem smart to speculate on getting some inferior talent right away. Let the play come to us.

[Mr. Body]

We need a little patience around here to see what develops. After working pretty hard to get all this cap space and draft choices it doesn't seem smart to speculate on getting some inferior talent right away. Let the play come to us.

Holy crap, a measured take here!

[slick'81]

We need a little patience around here to see what develops. After working pretty hard to get all this cap space and draft choices it doesn't seem smart to speculate on getting some inferior talent right away. Let the play come to us.

this is technically year two of the rebuild i guess

[CGD]

this is technically year two of the rebuild i guess

Victor reset it all. It may well have been year 3 of an original rebuild strategy had we not gotten him, but now everything must be built around him and him alone.

[baseline bum]

We need a little patience around here to see what develops. After working pretty hard to get all this cap space and draft choices it doesn't seem smart to speculate on getting some inferior talent right away. Let the play come to us.

They don't have a ton of capspace. Would be like $36 million this summer after cutting Graham with not much out there worth spending it on. Won't be enough to land Siakam and the Knicks sound ready to max Anunoby out. Maybe that money gets you Tobias Harris, Malik Monk, or the woman beating Miles Bridges and change. Wouldn't mind Grayson Allen if they don't have to pay through the nose for him, but they might with him having a career year. The 25 FA class looks epic right now between Giannis, Tatum, Mitchell, Ingram, Brunson, and Markkanen but not sure many of them ever hit the market. If any does look likely to leave I imagine the Spurs would instead have to trade for them with the Atlanta picks and beyond. I guess we could hope Doc Rivers burns the Bucks to the ground. 26 will be the new TV & streaming deal so half the league will probably have legit capspace.

[objective]

If they have a lottery pick this summer, like the #6 pick for example, they would only have about $30 million in space. And if Toronto lands from 7-30, that's a few more million gone.

Collins really blew through it for a guy who is a third stringer

[scott]

How convenient that we get to reset the Rebuild clock when we get the #1 pick, and can just ignore the 3 years of lottery picks that preceded. Those were just practice picks.

[CGD]

They don't have a ton of capspace. Would be like $36 million this summer after cutting Graham with not much out there worth spending it on. Won't be enough to land Siakam and the Knicks sound ready to max Anunoby out. Maybe that money gets you Tobias Harris, Malik Monk, or the woman beating Miles Bridges and change. Wouldn't mind Grayson Allen if they don't have to pay through the nose for him, but they might with him having a career year. The 25 FA class looks epic right now between Giannis, Tatum, Mitchell, Ingram, Brunson, and Markkanen but not sure many of them ever hit the market. If any does look likely to leave I imagine the Spurs would instead have to trade for them with the Atlanta picks and beyond. I guess we could hope Doc Rivers burns the Bucks to the ground. 26 will be the new TV & streaming deal so half the league will probably have legit capspace.

Do we even have that much capspace once Devins 29M and Zach’s 15M kick in? I think it’s much less than that.

[Dejounte]

How convenient that we get to reset the Rebuild clock when we get the #1 pick, and can just ignore the 3 years of lottery picks that preceded. Those were just practice picks.

Yeah, The Logic Is Just So Stupid As If This Is An Organization Not Known For Preaching Continuity And Development That We’d Excuse Them When Said Continuity And Development Is Not Yielding Positive Results.

[CGD]

How convenient that we get to reset the Rebuild clock when we get the #1 pick, and can just ignore the 3 years of lottery picks that preceded. Those were just practice picks.

You want them to keep building around Keldon or something?

Of course a player like Wemby resets it. It’s a rare talent. It’s not like they drafted Sarr #1

[CGD]

Yeah, The Logic Is Just So Stupid As If This Is An Organization Not Known For Preaching Continuity And Development That We’d Excuse Them When Said Continuity And Development Is Not Yielding Positive Results.

Cool. So just call it year 3 of building around Keldon if it makes you feel better

[baseline bum]

Do we even have that much capspace once Devins 29M and Zach’s 15M kick in? I think it’s much less than that.

Yeah it factors those contracts in. Ugh that Zollins deal kills us.

[Dejounte]

Cool. So just call it year 3 of building around Keldon if it makes you feel better

That’s Not At All The Basis Of Our Argument And To Think So Is Foolish. I’ll Keep It Short: The Team Drafts Players That It Sees As Players Who Would Fit With Anyone In The Future And That Includes Wemby And To Think Otherwise Is Naive. Do People Really Think This Org Is So Shortsighted Like That?

[CGD]

That’s Not At All The Basis Of Our Argument And To Think So Is Foolish. I’ll Keep It Short: The Team Drafts Players That It Sees As Players Who Would Fit With Anyone In The Future And That Includes Wemby And To Think Otherwise Is Naive. Do People Really Think This Org Is So Shortsighted Like That?

I doubt they drafted Wemby for fit.

[RC_Drunkford]

the Spurs clearly tried to draft the supporting cast for a franchise player before they drafted Wemby. You can try to tell yourself another story, but even Pop said we got complementary guys, but we don't have "the guy" last year. They thought once they get that franchise player they would have a young core to grow. That young core has been underwhelming to say it nicely.

[CGD]

^ I consider the start of the current rebuild when they traded their last all star, which was DJ. Since then, the only player you could argue they drafted for this new future is Jeremy (Malaki and Wesley were bonuses/collateral to other deals). With Sochan they took best player available at #9 JUST as the talent level in that particular draft dropped, not with some idea of fit or whatever. Keldon, Vassell are holdovers from what they were still built around DJ.

My point is that it’s silly to hold to some hard and fast rule about when the rebuild started. There was no way the spurs knew Wemby would fall to them, and he clearly resets things given his historic talent level. There is a world where in 3 years, outside of VW, not one current player, save maybe Jermey bc he’s on a rookie deal, is on this team.

[RC_Drunkford]

^ I consider the start of the current rebuild when they traded their last all star, which was DJ. Since then, the only player you could argue they drafted for this new future is Jeremy (Malaki and Wesley were bonuses/collateral to other deals). With Sochan they took best player available at #9 JUST as the talent level in that particular draft dropped, not with some idea of fit or whatever. Keldon, Vassell are holdovers from what they were still built around DJ.

My point is that it’s silly to hold to some hard and fast rule about when the rebuild started. There was no way the spurs knew Wemby would fall to them, and he clearly resets things given his historic talent level. There is a world where in 3 years, outside of VW, not one current player, save maybe Jermey bc he’s on a rookie deal, is on this team.

yet they scouted him for 4-5 years prior to being drafted and tanked heavily when he commited to the draft. Of course they couldn't be sure to get the #1 pick, but they clearly tried and it worked, so you can't say this wasn't the plan all along.

[exstatic]

Don't think the spurs are going to build a competitive team by just sitting around with a bunch of cap space waiting for situations like this to occur.

They also aren’t going to solve it by taking on other teams failed $100M lottery picks. If you’re going to spend assets, get Mikel Bridges. He can actually play. Or sign Miles Bridges as a FA.

[Big Empty]

Yea patience this year. Lets get that top 5 pick this summer and see who the Spurs take. After they plug a hole with this coming draft pick i do expect them to make a move to plug another hole. We lack defense and rebounding. I wouldnt at all be suprised this summer to see the Spurs trade our first round pick to unload Collins contract and to obtain another young player that has potrntial, like an Anfernee Simons since this draft is a weak one

[Frenchfred]

How convenient that we get to reset the Rebuild clock when we get the #1 pick, and can just ignore the 3 years of lottery picks that preceded. Those were just practice picks.

at the same time, you can hardly say that you are rebuilding when you get #12 and #9 draft picks, maybe the later since it is a top10, and have no star to build around.

[exstatic]

The rebuild began in 2022, with the trade of Dejounte Murray after a failed attempt with him as the #1. The roster could be considered stripped bare after trading an All Star for the second consecutive summer.

[Frenchfred]

There is a pretty high chance that the Spurs stay put this summer. They'll go with whatever draft picks they'll have, hopefully a top5 and a top10, and see whatever vets are available to fill the gaps. I see them do a big trade if a player really wants out and they don't have to overpay. I hope that they don't send 4 or 5 unprotected 1st picks for Young for example.

[get_mills_out]

Fuck me, Collins can't even be traded at this deadline???

Jesus, Brian...

[scott]

^ I consider the start of the current rebuild when they traded their last all star, which was DJ. Since then, the only player you could argue they drafted for this new future is Jeremy (Malaki and Wesley were bonuses/collateral to other deals). With Sochan they took best player available at #9 JUST as the talent level in that particular draft dropped, not with some idea of fit or whatever. Keldon, Vassell are holdovers from what they were still built around DJ.

My point is that it’s silly to hold to some hard and fast rule about when the rebuild started. There was no way the spurs knew Wemby would fall to them, and he clearly resets things given his historic talent level. There is a world where in 3 years, outside of VW, not one current player, save maybe Jermey bc he’s on a rookie deal, is on this team.

The point isn't to say that Keldon was the centerpiece, but rather than this will be the 5th straight season of us picking in the lottery. We are the youngest team in the league, typically being a young team correlates to have young, promising talent. The Spurs may not have been hard tanking when they drafted Vassell or Primo, but they are still a lottery picks, and you'd hope you'd get more out of your lottery picks than just handwaving them away as part of some pre-tank experiment. It's not like teams say "We finally got the #1 pick, now we can start picking good players!"

What difference does this make? None really, other than when considering your faith in this franchise it is important to remember that the rebuild didn't just begin with Wemby. This will be a 5th straight year of being a lottery team. Whether that is a late lotto team, or a high lotto team, it's still a lotto team. Brian Wright and Gregg Popovich are the only FO in the league that would be given this long a leash, and I think it's lazy to just say that they need another 3 years before we can expect a return to the playoffs. It's like an employee who always has some exogenous excuse as to why their work isn't up to par. How long of a rope do you extend? (And yes, I realize we aren't the decision makers... but we are the fans, and we get to discuss this stuff and make our own opinions).

[Extra Stout]

I look at the lottery years, and outside of Primo don’t see the lottery picks as terrible. Wemby was a no-brainer and no credit is owed for that, but Vassell as an 11th pick is decent, and Sochan as a 9th is OK. Maybe in retrospect there were better players available, but those guys aren’t busts the way Primo was.

Ultimately, to build a winner a team needs to hit home runs on multiple picks, or stockpile enough draft capital to trade for a proven commodity. To do the former you stockpile draft capital to give you more swings at the ball. Either way, Brian Wright has put the team in position. There is always risk and there are no sure things. They might bust on every pick. But then again they might hit a couple home runs.

We get attached to players and want them to do well, but last year this was a roster on which by trading Jakob Poeltl and Josh Richardson they shipped out two of their best four players at the time. Neither of those guys sets the world on fire. This was after trading away the best two players on a team of merely play-in caliber. Part of the consequence of tanking for Wemby is a terribly depleted roster with marginal NBA players. Tre Jones is a quintessential backup, but this team is so bereft of playmakers that it can hardly function without him on the floor.

I don’t see the Zach Collins deal as terrible even though he sucks as bad as he does. It’s just a two-year deal, there’s not much opportunity cost with free agents this offseason, and he’s just a placeholder player. Next year he’ll be a trade commodity as a salary dump with an expiring contract.

[scott]

I would agree that outside of Primo I don't think the picks are terrible when viewed in a vacuum and I don't spent time wishcasting that we had taken Haliburton, Sengun or Jalen Williams instead (though that would be a decent team right there).

What I do take exception with is the notion is that the rebuild is just starting and that we need several more years of lottery talent before we start expecting the playoffs. There are three lotto picks on the team right now, a fourth (likely) and maybe a 5th coming this summer. Wemby isn't in need of multiple years of development, he is already there and will only continue to get better. Our fanbase and the lame ass media that covers the Spurs should have higher expectations starting next season. Most seem to agree that the tanking ends this season, which is good. Let's see if the Spurs FO agrees. Unfortunately I'm prepared to be disappointed.

[Mr. Body]

The Primo pick was bad because Sengun was right there. We have no idea what Primo could have been if he didn't yanky out his wanky. He lost two years of development that have to be accounted for in retrospect.

[SpursBills]

I would agree that outside of Primo I don't think the picks are terrible when viewed in a vacuum and I don't spent time wishcasting that we had taken Haliburton, Sengun or Jalen Williams instead (though that would be a decent team right there).

What I do take exception with is the notion is that the rebuild is just starting and that we need several more years of lottery talent before we start expecting the playoffs. There are three lotto picks on the team right now, a fourth (likely) and maybe a 5th coming this summer. Wemby isn't in need of multiple years of development, he is already there and will only continue to get better. Our fanbase and the lame ass media that covers the Spurs should have higher expectations starting next season. Most seem to agree that the tanking ends this season, which is good. Let's see if the Spurs FO agrees. Unfortunately I'm prepared to be disappointed.

I think your frustrations illustrate why so many people on this board were advocating to blow it up earlier. For the first 2 of the last 4 years of "rebuilding", the spurs were basically caught in no man's land as a treadmill team; too good to truly get a high lottery pick, too bad to actually contend. Now, maybe Brian Wright decided to blow it up when he did because he saw a generational prospect coming down the pipeline and didn't want to ruin his chances at that. That's the generous interpretation. Or, more realistically, maybe Brian Wright was too inept to recognize that blowing it up was the right move until the team had basically wasted 2 years as a treadmill team. Regardless, I really count rebuilding from when the spurs decided to clean house and truly bottom out which many on this board were advocating for and we can only really fault the team for waiting such a long time to finally pick a direction.

Since the decision to blow it up, the front office has done reasonably well I think. Their worst move has been the Collins extension, which because it's only 2 years isn't a devastating contract like the Poole or something. I didn't love either the Branham or the Wesley picks, but at least Wesley has been showing some promise. They've hit a home run with the Dejounte trade. Sochan looks like he's developing nicely. If you look at where the team is now, it actually tracks pretty well with the timeline of OKC after they bottomed out. We'll probably win 30-35 games next year and take off the year after next. People are just frustrated because rebuilding is always painful especially bottoming out and I think we underestimate just how talented even bad teams are and how much of a talent gap needs to be made up to even be a middling team in this league after trading/giving away all of your talent to bottom out.

[tbdog]

There's no problem being competitive and stuck on that treadmill. That LMA/DDR team could have been better if Spurs weren't stuck with bad luck. They lost a year because the Leonard trade happened after free agency. This was the biggest mistake.

Murray does his acl. Gasol breaks his foot. If I've got my years right, the Morris back stab happens a season after. I vouched for the Carroll's signing, I didn't know he fell off the cliff during the off season though. The next season, Murray and White were good players and Walker was showing something. But LMA just gives up on basketball and gets waived.

That was only 3 years and it was obvious management was aiming for the 2023. They ran with Murray and boosted his trade value before the real tank began.

[Kevin]

If Wright drafts another role player top 10 he'll probably get promoted out of the job in a few years. Seems like the Spurs thing to do. He's done too much good to get fired all together but he's done enough questionable drafting where he might need to go all the same.

[TD 21]

The thing with Simons is (and I'd include C. White, a similar player in a similar situation), it's a lot like Murray with the Spurs, to where there's no pressure to trading him anytime soon.

Sure, he's a young veteran on a team early in a re-build that presumably hopes Henderson and Sharpe are their back court of the future, but he's also significantly better than them at the moment, only 24 and signed for 2 more seasons at a reasonable number.

They're also not interested in taking it down to the studs or they wouldn't have acquired Ayton and be supposedly uninterested in trading Grant right now.

That means they'd have to be incentivized aka overpaid (probably 2 quality 1sts and a third one or commensurate young player) and at that point, the Spurs would be better off waiting out Young, Mitchell, etc.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1750662917580579188

[mystargtr34]

Cavs have been looking damn good with Mitchell as the primary ball handler. Elite advanced numbers over the last 2 months on both offense and defense.

They should be looking to move Garland for an upgrade at the 3. Over the last 2 years they have basically treaded water in the minutes Mitchell and Garland have been on the floor together. It just doesn’t work.

Allen
Mobley
3-D wing
Strus
Mitchell

Wonder if the Spurs could get in on a 3 team deal that’s gets the Cavs a better 3 and the Spurs sent out draft picks and get Garland.

Then you can focus on drafting a wing if you’re the Spurs I.e Risacher, Williams.

Not entirely sold on Garland due to injury history and cost but it’s probably next best option after Trae Young if the spurs want to go down the path of upgrading the 1 through trade and focus on drafting the future 3.

[CorrectCrusader]

I don't know why some of y'all want Tyus Jones, he's a very small upgrade over Tre. Waste of assets tbh.

[onechance87]

I don't know why some of y'all want Tyus Jones, he's a very small upgrade over Tre. Waste of assets tbh.

well hes a free agent this summer.But like you said hes a upgrade over tre even just by a lil.Hes probably the best fa pg
this summer after maybe iq.

[baseline bum]

I don't know why some of y'all want Tyus Jones, he's a very small upgrade over Tre. Waste of assets tbh.

You'd rather re-sign McDermott and Osman? Would be nice to have two decent PG on the roster, especially if they draft someone like Sarr / Williams / Risacher / Buzelis / Holland.

[Mr. Body]

I don't know why some of y'all want Tyus Jones, he's a very small upgrade over Tre. Waste of assets tbh.

Because Spurs fans love every other player in the league and despise their own. It was always clear Tyus wasn't enough of an upgrade to use assets to acquire.

[BacktoBasics]

Cavs have been looking damn good with Mitchell as the primary ball handler. Elite advanced numbers over the last 2 months on both offense and defense.

They should be looking to move Garland for an upgrade at the 3. Over the last 2 years they have basically treaded water in the minutes Mitchell and Garland have been on the floor together. It just doesn’t work.

Allen
Mobley
3-D wing
Strus
Mitchell

Wonder if the Spurs could get in on a 3 team deal that’s gets the Cavs a better 3 and the Spurs sent out draft picks and get Garland.

Then you can focus on drafting a wing if you’re the Spurs I.e Risacher, Williams.

Not entirely sold on Garland due to injury history and cost but it’s probably next best option after Trae Young if the spurs want to go down the path of upgrading the 1 through trade and focus on drafting the future 3.
Strus was a really good signing for them.

[mystargtr34]

Yep. Lights out shooter obviously, but Underrated defender as well.

[scott]

I don't know why some of y'all want Tyus Jones, he's a very small upgrade over Tre. Waste of assets tbh.

I'd only give up a couple of SRPs for him if he were under contract (what else you gonna do with all those SRPs?), but wouldn't give anything for him since he's an impending FA. He'd be a serviceable stopgap starting PG, but that's about it.

[Mr. Body]

I'd only give up a couple of SRPs for him if he were under contract (what else you gonna do with all those SRPs?), but wouldn't give anything for him since he's an impending FA. He'd be a serviceable stopgap starting PG, but that's about it.

We already have a serviceable stopgap starting PG. Are people mental? I truly don't understand it.

[scott]

We already have a serviceable stopgap starting PG. Are people mental? I truly don't understand it.

Try shooting yourself in the head

[tbdog]

I listened to a pod cast of a mock deadline (not a rumour), had sixers offer spurs expirings and two distant first round picks for vassell. Thoughts?

[tbdog]

Also to add, the person playing spurs rejected. Sighting
*The Spurs won't give to the their second best player for distant firsts as it would send a poor message to Wemby.
*Spurs are 1st pick asset rich
* Vassell would be a hard player to replace.

[Mr. Body]

I listened to a pod cast of a mock deadline (not a rumour), had sixers offer spurs expirings and two distant first round picks for vassell. Thoughts?

Fuck no

[KobesAchilles]

Fuck no
Depends though. Bc if Embiid loses again in the second round then he might leave the organization. Then those future FRPs would look pretty good

[Mr. Body]

Depends though. Bc if Embiid loses again in the second round then he might leave the organization. Then those future FRPs would look pretty good

Huh? Why the hell are we trading Vassell?? Do you hire how hard it is to draft someone who is any good, much less someone who could replace him?

[exstatic]

Cavs have been looking damn good with Mitchell as the primary ball handler. Elite advanced numbers over the last 2 months on both offense and defense.

They should be looking to move Garland for an upgrade at the 3. Over the last 2 years they have basically treaded water in the minutes Mitchell and Garland have been on the floor together. It just doesn’t work.

Allen
Mobley
3-D wing
Strus
Mitchell

Wonder if the Spurs could get in on a 3 team deal that’s gets the Cavs a better 3 and the Spurs sent out draft picks and get Garland.

Then you can focus on drafting a wing if you’re the Spurs I.e Risacher, Williams.

Not entirely sold on Garland due to injury history and cost but it’s probably next best option after Trae Young if the spurs want to go down the path of upgrading the 1 through trade and focus on drafting the future 3.

Why would you want to go get a player who clearly didn’t work out as a primary ball handler and, as you said, is already getting paid?

[buttsR4rebounding]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1750662917580579188

Kevin Durant: It's the only trade machine I use. Made just for me...

[CGD]

There's no problem being competitive and stuck on that treadmill. That LMA/DDR team could have been better if Spurs weren't stuck with bad luck. They lost a year because the Leonard trade happened after free agency. This was the biggest mistake.

Murray does his acl. Gasol breaks his foot. If I've got my years right, the Morris back stab happens a season after. I vouched for the Carroll's signing, I didn't know he fell off the cliff during the off season though. The next season, Murray and White were good players and Walker was showing something. But LMA just gives up on basketball and gets waived.

That was only 3 years and it was obvious management was aiming for the 2023. They ran with Murray and boosted his trade value before the real tank began.

Amen. Thanks for refreshing everyone’s recollection. The true rebuild didn’t start until they traded DJ; before then it was just a poor team helmed by LMA, not exactly the paragon of competitiveness and playoff success.

Wright, who was installed ahead of the 2019-20 season, I think has done well in most measures of his job so far.

[KobesAchilles]

Huh? Why the hell are we trading Vassell?? Do you hire how hard it is to draft someone who is any good, much less someone who could replace him?
I mean I’m of the opinion that we either trade KJ or Devin. I’d rather keep Devin, but listening to offers for him isn’t a bad thing. He’s a good player. But he doesn’t really change the meter for me especially when there’s a buncha veteran SGs available next offseason. He might improve since he is so young but at the same time this might be all he becomes. We don’t really know.

But if the right offer comes around I am listening to it

[BacktoBasics]

I mean I’m of the opinion that we either trade KJ or Devin. I’d rather keep Devin, but listening to offers for him isn’t a bad thing. He’s a good player. But he doesn’t really change the meter for me especially when there’s a buncha veteran SGs available next offseason. He might improve since he is so young but at the same time this might be all he becomes. We don’t really know.

But if the right offer comes around I am listening to it

Vassell is a good fit on a good contract. Listening is fine and I understand you’re not going to get an all star straight up so he would be a part of a package.

But you don’t move Vassell unless you’re returning an all star level player.

Vassell is your perfect 3rd guy who can be a second option when needed.

We can’t have a revolving door of players to simply accumulate picks and cast offs.

We have a foundation that should be built on.

[Leetonidas]

Try shooting yourself in the head

:lol literally all this guy does is slobber PATFO, shit on everyone and their opinions while offering nothing besides lukewarm draft analysis and unhinged responses. Never once have I seen ANY trade proposal, free agent discussion, etc that this chode didn't scoff at

[baseline bum]

I mean I’m of the opinion that we either trade KJ or Devin. I’d rather keep Devin, but listening to offers for him isn’t a bad thing. He’s a good player. But he doesn’t really change the meter for me especially when there’s a buncha veteran SGs available next offseason. He might improve since he is so young but at the same time this might be all he becomes. We don’t really know.

But if the right offer comes around I am listening to it

I'm fine with moving Vasell (or anyone else not named Wemby) to improve the team but don't think Malik Monk would be any kind of upgrade and he'd cost just as much without any of Vassell's upside.

[Mr. Body]

:lol literally all this guy does is slobber PATFO, shit on everyone and their opinions while offering nothing besides lukewarm draft analysis and unhinged responses. Never once have I seen ANY trade proposal, free agent discussion, etc that this chode didn't scoff at

Buddy, if someone says we should trade for Tyus Jones when we have a player (who happens to be his brother) who is almost the exact same player, I'm going to say that doesn't make sense.

Now, if you want your jimmies rustled by stupid trade ideas, I can come up with them. Otherwise, I'm going to make fun of people who fell in love with John Collins, who fell in love with Austin Reaves, and similar players, because these are stupid opinions.

Let me know if you'd like some stupid trade ideas from me and I'll let you know how much they'll cost to entertain you. Jesus Christ the people on this board.

[KobesAchilles]

Buddy, if someone says we should trade for Tyus Jones when we have a player (who happens to be his brother) who is almost the exact same player, I'm going to say that doesn't make sense.

Now, if you want your jimmies rustled by stupid trade ideas, I can come up with them. Otherwise, I'm going to make fun of people who fell in love with John Collins, who fell in love with Austin Reaves, and similar players, because these are stupid opinions.

Let me know if you'd like some stupid trade ideas from me and I'll let you know how much they'll cost to entertain you. Jesus Christ the people on this board.
Who do you want them? Bc it seems like you are fine with keeping the exact same team going forward and making no changes.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm fine with moving Vasell (or anyone else not named Wemby) to improve the team but don't think Malik Monk would be any kind of upgrade and he'd cost just as much without any of Vassell's upside.As soon as this teams gets a reasonably better scoring option Vassell's game will open up.

Monk is a step back not forward.

You have to upgrade significantly if you move Vassell.

[Bruno]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1752398273690665207

So, a quick look at what cap space Spurs could have this summer:

- They have $103.1M in guaranteed salaries for 9 players (Vassell, Johnson, Collins, Wembanyama, Jones, Sochan, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko). The guaranteed part of Graham is also included and I'm assuming Spurs waive Graham, Bassey and Champagnie.
- Spurs first round pick should end up between 1st and 6th. Its cap hold will be between $7.5M and $12.6M.
- Raptors pick should be between 7th and 9th if it conveys. Its cap hold will be between $5.8M and $6.8M.
- one or two roster charges (depending on the Raptors pick) should be added. One roster charge is $1.2M.

Spurs will have between $17.3M (if they get picks #1 and #7 in the draft) and $28M (if they get pick #6 in the draft) in cap space. Trades could of course change these numbers but it's where they stand without needing the help of another team to create more space.

[TD 21]

Virtually no chance Champagnie is waived and probably only slightly more than that for Bassey.

[exstatic]

Virtually no chance Champagnie is waived and probably only slightly more than that for Bassey.
We have a full 15 man NBA roster, and either 3 or 4 draft picks. Outside of Mamu, those are the most waivable contracts. There’s a reason they were signed to multiple year, non-guaranteed deals. Unless we do a many for one trade, someone or someones will have to be waived.

[scott]

Buddy, if someone says we should trade for Tyus Jones when we have a player (who happens to be his brother) who is almost the exact same player, I'm going to say that doesn't make sense.

Now, if you want your jimmies rustled by stupid trade ideas, I can come up with them. Otherwise, I'm going to make fun of people who fell in love with John Collins, who fell in love with Austin Reaves, and similar players, because these are stupid opinions.

Let me know if you'd like some stupid trade ideas from me and I'll let you know how much they'll cost to entertain you. Jesus Christ the people on this board.

There is one specific considerable difference between Tyus Jones and Tre Jones, and happens to be one of the primary things that keeps Tre Jones from being considered a viable starting-caliber PG. There is a second considerable difference between them that would go towards addressing one of this team's other primary weaknesses.

What are these two differences? Well, maybe spend less time thinking of guzzling piss and more time using your expert basketball analysis to figure it out, you'd know.

Son of a bitch, I'm in.

[spurraider21]

Virtually no chance Champagnie is waived and probably only slightly more than that for Bassey.
if they sign barlow to a deal, i doubt they are keeping barlow + bassey in addition to vic + collins. and i dont think the spurs are going to be attaching assets to collins to unload him

[scott]

I'm practically president of the Bassey fan club, and I agree he is at high risk of being waived. The injuries have killed him. It's a shame, because you can tell he really enjoys being part of this team, has a great attitude, and is the kind of C we need on this team.

[Mr. Body]

As soon as this teams gets a reasonably better scoring option Vassell's game will open up.

Monk is a step back not forward.

You have to upgrade significantly if you move Vassell.

Vassell is going to be killer as a third option. He's only 23 as it is and still developing. He's a 'no trade' in my book. Not even thinking about it unless something wild comes around.

[Mr. Body]

We have a full 15 man NBA roster, and either 3 or 4 draft picks. Outside of Mamu, those are the most waivable contracts. There’s a reason they were signed to multiple year, non-guaranteed deals. Unless we do a many for one trade, someone or someones will have to be waived.

I see no way the Spurs will draft 3 or 4 guys, especially since two would be low-value 2nd round picks. We can consider Graham, Dougie, and Osman to be gone. Mamu is the next guy out, probably. The only way I see Bassey cut is if his injuries truly look bad. Champ is the only SF on the roster without an AARP card.

The roster crunch really isn't this summer, it's the next.

[JPB]

No matter what spurs will have to add "know how to win" veteran presence on that team for next year. No way Wemby will be OK losing that much again. And I'm sure not sure fans will too. Watching Wemby historical season and talent wasted and even undermined (can you beileve that?) because of all that losing is kinda sad.

There's stats like "he's the fastest IN HISTORY to reach x blocks and x points" or he got the second fastest trip dub IN HISTORY AS A ROOKIE and people are like "Meh, he can't make a bunch of sophomores or 3 year guys + reclamation projects win"...
the kid is on top of a bunch of metrics in front of superstars and pundits are like: "yeah but Chet is winning with a superstar PG and elite role players around"...
I mean Vic has been putting like 22 and 10 + 3.5 blocks the last month or so in 25-27 minute a game, which is freaking amazing, but people somehow are still disappoiintg because he'e not coaching or GM'ing the team... Dude can't play 1 on 5 and not his fault if the coaching staff decided to put a second yeat PF with zero experience at PG for 20 games or if the FO didn't bother adding at least one valuabe vet on that roster...

[Mr. Body]

A player I would actually consider trading for is Chris Paul. I'd give it serious consideration, and the Warriors have him on the block.

I'm not sure how it would work. Just piling together Graham, Dougie, Osman gives them at least two shooters who could help their rotation right now and save money next year.

I don't want to give up much more. Second round picks, sure. They don't have a pick this year in either round, so one of our seconds. I'd consider sliding in the Chicago pick and obviously the Charlotte pick.

I'm not sure what market there is for him. Washington got Jordan Poole, Patrick Baldwin, an SRP, and a 1-20 protected FRP in 2030. Poole's contract was considered a killer back then.

Now, I don't think CP would like this. I expect he wants to play for a contender at this point (although that's out of his control). His personality is grating, but he did enormously help Devin Booker especially and the other young Suns. He'd run the team like a clock, let Tre go back to the bench, and solve the PG problem through the end of next year.

So, I'd think about it.

[Kevin]

Why would Spurs want Paul? Doesn't help long term could harm the tank. Hard pass. The time to buy will be in the summer.

[tonight...you]

Why would Spurs want Paul? Doesn't help long term could harm the tank. Hard pass. The time to buy will be in the summer.
He could teach these kids a ton about how to play and sometimes play dirty.
He also can show to set up players in the most effective fashion. Something this team still needs dearly.
His head, right now, is more important than his body.

[Mr. Body]

Why would Spurs want Paul? Doesn't help long term could harm the tank. Hard pass. The time to buy will be in the summer.

I don't think he can play for a while and you're buying low now. Yeah, I guess it ruins the 'tank,' but you've got to do something with the expiring contracts we have. Next year is more important than a few potential draft slots in a poor draft.

[Leetonidas]

Buddy, if someone says we should trade for Tyus Jones when we have a player (who happens to be his brother) who is almost the exact same player, I'm going to say that doesn't make sense.

Now, if you want your jimmies rustled by stupid trade ideas, I can come up with them. Otherwise, I'm going to make fun of people who fell in love with John Collins, who fell in love with Austin Reaves, and similar players, because these are stupid opinions.

Let me know if you'd like some stupid trade ideas from me and I'll let you know how much they'll cost to entertain you. Jesus Christ the people on this board.

Maybe you should shoot yourself in the head

[spurraider21]

A player I would actually consider trading for is Chris Paul. I'd give it serious consideration, and the Warriors have him on the block.

I'm not sure how it would work. Just piling together Graham, Dougie, Osman gives them at least two shooters who could help their rotation right now and save money next year.

I don't want to give up much more. Second round picks, sure. They don't have a pick this year in either round, so one of our seconds. I'd consider sliding in the Chicago pick and obviously the Charlotte pick.

I'm not sure what market there is for him. Washington got Jordan Poole, Patrick Baldwin, an SRP, and a 1-20 protected FRP in 2030. Poole's contract was considered a killer back then.

Now, I don't think CP would like this. I expect he wants to play for a contender at this point (although that's out of his control). His personality is grating, but he did enormously help Devin Booker especially and the other young Suns. He'd run the team like a clock, let Tre go back to the bench, and solve the PG problem through the end of next year.

So, I'd think about it.
the time to make a move for Paul was in the offseason imo

[TeKu]

If he'd buy into that then sure yeah, why not, would definitely help with player development. What he did with the young Suns was amazing.

But that runs against everything he has said/pushed for over the last few years. He is ring chasing, and we don't want to be dealing with an unmotivated frustrated CP.

[TD 21]

I'm well aware of a potential roster crunch, but Champagnie won't be part of it and Bassey probably won't be either.

Osman (probably), McDermott, Graham and Mamukelashvili are all goners and despite his contract, Cissoko isn't a lock either. There's also a very real possibility they only have 2 rookies.

[spurraider21]

I'm well aware of a potential roster crunch, but Champagnie won't be part of it and Bassey probably won't be either.

Osman (probably), McDermott, Graham and Mamukelashvili are all goners and despite his contract, Cissoko isn't a lock either. There's also a very real possibility they only have 2 rookies.
imo they choose 1 between bassey and barlow

[baseline bum]

A player I would actually consider trading for is Chris Paul. I'd give it serious consideration, and the Warriors have him on the block.

I'm not sure how it would work. Just piling together Graham, Dougie, Osman gives them at least two shooters who could help their rotation right now and save money next year.

I don't want to give up much more. Second round picks, sure. They don't have a pick this year in either round, so one of our seconds. I'd consider sliding in the Chicago pick and obviously the Charlotte pick.

I'm not sure what market there is for him. Washington got Jordan Poole, Patrick Baldwin, an SRP, and a 1-20 protected FRP in 2030. Poole's contract was considered a killer back then.

Now, I don't think CP would like this. I expect he wants to play for a contender at this point (although that's out of his control). His personality is grating, but he did enormously help Devin Booker especially and the other young Suns. He'd run the team like a clock, let Tre go back to the bench, and solve the PG problem through the end of next year.

So, I'd think about it.

Spurs would have to guarantee that $31 million deal for next season to keep CP3 around. I would have liked him in the offseason but he looked finished in Golden State before he got hurt much less what he would be now when it's sounding like he's nowhere close to returning.

[Leetonidas]

CP3 is beyond washed at this point. Id rather have Conley if we're chasing over the hill vet PGs

[widowmaker]

CP3 is beyond washed at this point. Id rather have Conley if we're chasing over the hill vet PGs


I don’t know what the obsession with cp3 on this forum is about.

[Mr. Body]

Who's obsessed? He's never talked about around here. :dizzy

Mike Conley isn't available. Paul is a player who is.

[timtonymanu]

CP3 was washed since he left Phoenix, would have been fine 2 years ago. Warriors hyped up CP3 when they signed him but I knew it was gonna lead to nothing and they’re back in the lottery anyways.

[exstatic]

I’d rather get Brogdon, if we’re talking short term solution.

[onechance87]

CP3 was washed since he left Phoenix, would have been fine 2 years ago. Warriors hyped up CP3 when they signed him but I knew it was gonna lead to nothing and they’re back in the lottery anyways.

still a great ball handler and playmaker.Wemby would be averaging almost 30 a game with paul as our pg.

[exstatic]

still a great ball handler and playmaker.Wemby would be averaging almost 30 a game with paul as our pg.

He’s going to do that in the next year or two, regardless. We don’t need some washed asshole ex-Star for that.

[CGD]

These Twolves podcasters suggest Dougie might be of interest to them, FYI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwHXXMz-z-w&ab_channel=SKORNorth-MinnesotaSportsEntertainment

[SpurSpike]

These Twolves podcasters suggest Dougie might be of interest to them, FYI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwHXXMz-z-w&ab_channel=SKORNorth-MinnesotaSportsEntertainment

They are only really interested in him as a buyout candidate not in a trade.

[cd98]

These Twolves podcasters suggest Dougie might be of interest to them, FYI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwHXXMz-z-w&ab_channel=SKORNorth-MinnesotaSportsEntertainment

Twolves gave all their picks away to get Gobert.

[SpurSpike]

I did see that Dyson Daniels may be available for trade "for the right package". Has not had a great season so far but could be an interesting option.

[BacktoBasics]

Pacers could use a Doug or Cedi and their back up PG Nembhard or however you spell it could be worth looking into.

[TD 21]

As much as the Pacers are too big heavy/wings light, they're high on Nembhard (Carlisle claimed he'd go top 10 in a re-draft in his rookie season) and wouldn't trade him for McDermott or Osman even if it worked financially.

[CGD]

They are only really interested in him as a buyout candidate not in a trade.

Yeah, looks like they really dont have the salaries to make it work. Could be whoever spurs trade Doug to waives him and Wolves strike then.

[CGD]

Pacers could use a Doug or Cedi and their back up PG Nembhard or however you spell it could be worth looking into.

Nembhard would be a nice get. Might be worth using some assets on him if he’s available.

[CGD]

I did see that Dyson Daniels may be available for trade "for the right package". Has not had a great season so far but could be an interesting option.

Definitely interesting

[exstatic]

I’m just puzzled why people want underperformers like Daniels who are close to getting paid? The best thing about draft picks is that they are CHEAP, the best value contracts in the NBA, and you’d be giving up two years of that value. They also have promise to develop, something Daniels hasn’t really done. I guess I’d be OK if they were willing to swap, like, Malaki for him, or a few seconds, but would balk at a FRP.

[BacktoBasics]

I’m just puzzled why people want underperformers like Daniels who are close to getting paid? The best thing about draft picks is that they are CHEAP, the best value contracts in the NBA, and you’d be giving up two years of that value. They also have promise to develop, something Daniels hasn’t really done. I guess I’d be OK if they were willing to swap, like, Malaki for him, or a few seconds, but would balk at a FRP.

Daniels has a some good moments but his minutes and playing time are super inconsistent.

Now that could be because he's not developing like you're suggesting but he's playing behind these guys

Jose Alvarado
CJ
Hawkins
Murphy3
Ingram

Out of those 5 I'd consider everyone to be significantly better except Alvarado and maybe the gap to Hawkins isn't too far but he's had some great nights.

That's a tough log jam to crack and Dyson isn't a volume scorer. I think Daniels might be worth a look.

[spurraider21]

Twolves gave all their picks away to get Gobert.
im sure they got some seconds somewhere

[baseline bum]

I’d rather get Brogdon, if we’re talking short term solution.

Would love it if the Spurs could get Brogdon for say the Chicago pick, though I might hold off until the draft to do it since the trade would make no sense if Risacher or Williams is off the board and they instead draft a PG.

[CGD]

I’m just puzzled why people want underperformers like Daniels who are close to getting paid? The best thing about draft picks is that they are CHEAP, the best value contracts in the NBA, and you’d be giving up two years of that value. They also have promise to develop, something Daniels hasn’t really done. I guess I’d be OK if they were willing to swap, like, Malaki for him, or a few seconds, but would balk at a FRP.

Sure, but it’s one thing if we were the Bucks, Sun or Celtics who are salary top heavy— we’re not. It’s a perfect time to look for distressed assets.

Also, teams could be looking to move on for a variety of reasons (NOLA is cheap; Indy already has a star at the position) other than player performance. Last, I think a trade for a player on a rookie deal gives the receiving team a good excuse to take negotiations on the next deal to RFA, which could be a very good outcome for the team.

[Chinook]

Virtually no chance Champagnie is waived and probably only slightly more than that for Bassey.

I agree Champ isn't going to be waived, especially not until camp. I could see him not making the cut if they have 15 other guys who deserve the spot more. But the team isn't going to look into his savings. Even if they need the space for an acquisition, they're more likely to trade away bigger salary than his to make it work.


We have a full 15 man NBA roster, and either 3 or 4 draft picks. Outside of Mamu, those are the most waivable contracts. There’s a reason they were signed to multiple year, non-guaranteed deals. Unless we do a many for one trade, someone or someones will have to be waived.

As mentioned, the Spurs have a lot of expirings that free that up. That being said, I hope the Spurs aren't planning on running back this roster with fewer vets and more rookies. I expect legit acquisitions to make this projection moot.


if they sign barlow to a deal, i doubt they are keeping barlow + bassey in addition to vic + collins. and i dont think the spurs are going to be attaching assets to collins to unload him

Bassey's contract was always dicey, but thankfully there's no guaranteed money on the books. Barlow should get the nod going forward. MAYBE the Spurs trade Collins and keep both guys, but they need to invest in centers with more upside than Barlow. His size basically ruins him as a player.

I don't think the Spurs would pay to dump Collins just for cap space. But he is legit trade ballast if they do for a Young or Murray (or any other major) trade. Zach is at a nadir now in terms of his value (hopefully). But if he ends the season strong like he did last year, he'll be a decent trade piece.

[Chinook]

I’m just puzzled why people want underperformers like Daniels who are close to getting paid? The best thing about draft picks is that they are CHEAP, the best value contracts in the NBA, and you’d be giving up two years of that value. They also have promise to develop, something Daniels hasn’t really done. I guess I’d be OK if they were willing to swap, like, Malaki for him, or a few seconds, but would balk at a FRP.

Daniels was taken on pick before Sochan. He'll have two more "cheap" years after this. I don't think he's shown enough of what the team needs from the position. But the Spurs would be decently served by acquiring a prospect who they do like from another team rather than hoping to draft everyone. If Daniels' biggest issue is that he's going to be too expensive in a couple of years to retain easily, it sounds like the Spurs would be in line to get a good player.

[cd98]

CP3 was washed since he left Phoenix, would have been fine 2 years ago. Warriors hyped up CP3 when they signed him but I knew it was gonna lead to nothing and they’re back in the lottery anyways.

I think CP3 would have been perfect if we got him at the beginning of the season. The idea is not for him to be some long term piece. I would acquire him because he's cheap and he would be excellent in establishing some order to an offense that looked disjointed. Basically, it would be several months of Chris Paul showing them how to be professional and how to run the offense and then have the Spurs buy Paul out at the end of the year so he could join a contender. Unfortunately, they couldn't get him to begin the year, and getting him now would not be enough time to help the young guys develop and he wouldn't want to play for a noncontender in his twilight years, especially as someone that has never won a title.

[scott]

If you want Chris Paul, you really have to wait for the off-season or do it last off-season. His Non-guaranteed $30MM next season certainly won't be picked up, but he probably isn't resigning with the team who waives him. Even then, he'll likely have his pick of places to go on a cheap contract, and I doubt San Antonio will be on that list.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol wanting the corpse of Chris Paul.

[TD 21]

It's Alvarado who has fallen out of the Pelicans deep guard/wing rotation, not Daniels and the latter isn't "underperforming".

He's exactly as projected so far, which is a versatile, high impact defender and "connector" on offense, who lacks the dynamism to be a lead creator and the shooting to be a spacer.

He's not at all what the Spurs need.

[CGD]

It's Alvarado who has fallen out of the Pelicans deep guard/wing rotation, not Daniels and the latter isn't "underperforming".

He's exactly as projected so far, which is a versatile, high impact defender and "connector" on offense, who lacks the dynamism to be a lead creator and the shooting to be a spacer.

He's not at all what the Spurs need.

Interesting, havent followed that team. I assumed they were giving him run at PG, which is wheret he draft people projected him to play. If he's not that, I agree, its not what we need. Sounds like Sochan bascially.

[jjspur]

Daniels was taken on pick before Sochan. He'll have two more "cheap" years after this. I don't think he's shown enough of what the team needs from the position. But the Spurs would be decently served by acquiring a prospect who they do like from another team rather than hoping to draft everyone. If Daniels' biggest issue is that he's going to be too expensive in a couple of years to retain easily, it sounds like the Spurs would be in line to get a good player.

Right now Daniels is probably better than what we could hope to get in the 24 draft. Like you said he has two more years left on a rookie contract. It would be probably 2 years before any 24 draft pick could help us anyway. I'd offer the Charlotte pick or like 2 or 3 seconds and Branham for him. We could really use a backup point since Pop doesn't want to play our backup point Graham. Besides Graham is probably waived next year.

[poopbox]

Rockets seem to be about to blow it up and trade they young players. I'd see what I could do to grab Jabari Smith while his stock is low.

[exstatic]

Rockets seem to be about to blow it up and trade they young players. I'd see what I could do to grab Jabari Smith while his stock is low.

Would be hilarious if they did, since they didn’t tank to save their last opportunity FRP 1-4 they owed this year. Lose the first ick, and suck for a few more years, although I wouldn’t trust the current FO to make that pick.

[baseline bum]

Rockets seem to be about to blow it up and trade they young players. I'd see what I could do to grab Jabari Smith while his stock is low.

Where are you seeing this? Could understand dumping Jalen Green, that dude's looking like a bust. But Jabari Smith is a quality starting SF with some real upside to develop into AS level later down the road given his size and athleticism. Not a bad defender either. I'd love to get him but imagine the price would be very steep.

[scott]

From The Athletic via HoopsHype:

The Rockets have joined the long line of teams showing extremely high interest in Nets forward Mikal Bridges, league sources say. Houston made an offer including multiple first-round draft picks for Bridges in recent weeks, but the Nets have zero interest in any deal involving Bridges, who is part of Brooklyn’s core moving forward (https://theathletic.com/5240648/2024/01/31/houston-rockets-star-hunting-nba-trade-deadline/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq).
4 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/2648996/) – via The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/5240648/2024/01/31/houston-rockets-star-hunting-nba-trade-deadline/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq)

[TD 21]

Not sure if that's a typo, but Smith Jr. is clearly a PF.

I doubt the Rockets trade for a star, but they'll probably land a rim running/protecting C and/or combo guard that can shoot.

[mo7888]

Where are you seeing this? Could understand dumping Jalen Green, that dude's looking like a bust. But Jabari Smith is a quality starting SF with some real upside to develop into AS level later down the road given his size and athleticism. Not a bad defender either. I'd love to get him but imagine the price would be very steep.

Yea, I'd be all over JS if he's on the table. He'd be #1 in this draft by a mile.

[scott]

Just for fun, if Jabari were getable, what would you offer?

[baseline bum]

Just for fun, if Jabari were getable, what would you offer?

Honestly don't see a way he'd be gettable for what the Spurs could offer. Anything centered on the 2024 Spurs pick would have minimal appeal for the Rockets since Jabari is likely better than Risacher or Williams at the forward spots and they just invested in Amen Thompson at the PG. Gotta think Amen would probably go #2 in this draft. Only way I could see getting Jabari is maybe if the Spurs get the #1 pick and the Rockets really want Sarr to shore up their interior defense.

[spurraider21]

PJ Washington has come alive last few games

also.. scumbag miles bridges continues to play very well

[spurraider21]

rockets have no reason to move off jabari... he's a good, young player who is showing improvement and still has untapped athleticism. he'd be an awesome pairing next to wemby fwiw

[CGD]

Just for fun, if Jabari were getable, what would you offer?

I’d offer a serious pick for him. He’d be perfect next to VW and Sochan.

[poopbox]

Where are you seeing this? Could understand dumping Jalen Green, that dude's looking like a bust. But Jabari Smith is a quality starting SF with some real upside to develop into AS level later down the road given his size and athleticism. Not a bad defender either. I'd love to get him but imagine the price would be very steep.

Athletic report and some local reports saying that at the trade deadline and in free agency they are looking to obtain some star level players and that the only player they have on their roster that is untouchable is Sengun.

[poopbox]

rockets have no reason to move off jabari... he's a good, young player who is showing improvement and still has untapped athleticism. he'd be an awesome pairing next to wemby fwiw

If they are really looking to get a star player there is no way they are going to be able to do that AND keep Jabari. He is the guy the other team would want in a trade for a star or he is the guy they would have to trade somewhere else to get multiple 1st round picks to give to a team for a star.

[spurraider21]

If they are really looking to get a star player there is no way they are going to be able to do that AND keep Jabari. He is the guy the other team would want in a trade for a star or he is the guy they would have to trade somewhere else to get multiple 1st round picks to give to a team for a star.
i think they're exploring trying to make that kind of deal happen where they keep jabari. i cant imagine he's on the table at this point.

[mo7888]

Just for fun, if Jabari were getable, what would you offer?

I'm not sure. It'd probably be a 3 team kind of deal. I'd probably offer expirings, one of the Atlanta picks, and KJ.

[Ariel]

Just for fun, if Jabari were getable, what would you offer?
When they're saying they're exploring trading young players and picks for a star, I think they mean Jalen Green and maybe one of Eason/Whitmore, not Jabari Smith Jr. Him alongside Sengun are their best young players, no chance they let him go unless we're talking Luka or Donovan Mitchell at least.

[poopbox]

When they're saying they're exploring trading young players and picks for a star, I think they mean Jalen Green and maybe one of Eason/Whitmore, not Jabari Smith Jr. Him alongside Sengun are their best young players, no chance they let him go unless we're talking Luka or Donovan Mitchell at least.

No way I give up Jabari to get a one way chucker like mitchell...but the rockets probably would.

[CGD]

When they're saying they're exploring trading young players and picks for a star, I think they mean Jalen Green and maybe one of Eason/Whitmore, not Jabari Smith Jr. Him alongside Sengun are their best young players, no chance they let him go unless we're talking Luka or Donovan Mitchell at least.

I agree. Obviously they love Bridges and have for some time, but i think a smaller deal for Robert Williams would make them really good

[exstatic]

I agree. Obviously they love Bridges and have for some time, but i think a smaller deal for Robert Williams would make them really good

Robert Williams blew his knee out, the latest in a long line of injuries, and is lost for the season. If the one year timeline holds,he won’t even be back in time for training camp. He injured it in a game n November 5th.

[rjv]

Robert Williams blew his knee out, the latest in a long line of injuries, and is lost for the season. If the one year timeline holds,he won’t even be back in time for training camp. He injured it in a game n November 5th.

RW is a nice player and i've rooted for him since he was at A&M, but his knees are shot and i don't see him lasting in the league for too long

[exstatic]

RW is a nice player and i've rooted for him since he was at A&M, but his knees are shot and i don't see him lasting in the league for too long

He’s played a little over 200 games in 6 years, and never more than 61.

[manufan10]

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[exstatic]

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Wait, I thought Şengün was the golden child.

[CGD]

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I would have loved this deal for SA.

[CGD]

Wait, I thought Şengün was the golden child.

Adams is out all this season right? This is just about moving $$ around, though, his presence next season is consistent with the culture Ime is setting.

[Robz4000]

Lakers are apparently close to dealing Lebron.

[scott]

Adams is a pretty ideal backup and potential mentor for Sengun next year and only costs $12.5MM. Pretty good business by both sides on that deal.

[timtonymanu]

Adams is out for the season so it's pointless for this year but still a good pickup if he returns to form next year.

also :lolakers if LeBron gets dealt. They got so cocky over that flukey Western conference run last year that they thought picking up shit like Reddish and Prince was gonna make them even better this year. What a shitshow if not for that bubble title they won.

[CGD]

Lakers are apparently close to dealing Lebron.

Are you also hearing he’s going to Detroit?

[baseline bum]

Lakers are apparently close to dealing Lebron.

LOL holding both James and Davis out tonight vs Boston.

[baseline bum]

Are you also hearing he’s going to Detroit?

Might not be BS; being reported by a sports guy from KTLA 5.

https://ktla.com/author/david-pingalore/

1753182060364386308

[baseline bum]

If I'm the Lakers I'm trading him. I'd be thinking something like James to Miami for Jaquez, a first, and matching salary.

EDIT: Would take moving Herro plus some crap or Duncan Robinson plus a lot of crap to hit that matching salary.

[timtonymanu]

That guy also called Kawhi to the clips and Lebron returning to Cleveland in 2014. It could all very much lead to nothing but would Lebron waste his twilight years on that crappy Laker team?

[CGD]

Might not be BS; being reported by a sports guy from KTLA 5.

https://ktla.com/author/david-pingalore/

1753182060364386308

Interesting, thought he was messing around. Kinda makes sense and i am definitely here for the power flex on Klutch.

[manufan10]

So what package are we sending to the Lakers for Bron? :stirpot: :lol

[Dverde]

Miami makes the most sense legacy wise for LeBron. Lakers don’t have the balls to trade him without his permission.

[spurraider21]

Might not be BS; being reported by a sports guy from KTLA 5.

https://ktla.com/author/david-pingalore/

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SA should get in on this and have Herro routed to them

[exstatic]

Lakers finally realize that no one is trading them an All Star for their lone FRP.

[baseline bum]

Interesting, thought he was messing around. Kinda makes sense and i am definitely here for the power flex on Klutch.

I would imagine Pingalore's source is LeBron based on previous tweets from him. Not surprised to hear a report he was pissed at the Heat's owner too. I would have been after taking a paycut to sign Mike Miller and then the owner amnesties him.

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[manufan10]

Might not be BS; being reported by a sports guy from KTLA 5.

https://ktla.com/author/david-pingalore/

1753182060364386308

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Wonder if these are related?

[spurraider21]

same energy as "the raptors have rejected 4 first round picks for anunoby"

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[CGD]

same energy as "the raptors have rejected 4 first round picks for anunoby"

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Sean Marks being precious with middling talent. That price will come down.

[CGD]

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Wonder if these are related?

LBJ is so passive aggressive. Classic midwesterner

[timtonymanu]

LBJ is so passive aggressive. Classic midwesterner

I don’t care how homerish this sounds, I’m glad the spurs had Timmy over Lebron. Lebron is arguably the greatest player of all time but his low key diva antics would have been frustrating to deal with. Everything’s good and he’s the ultimate teammate until things stop going his way and he leaves. The guy would have bailed on the spurs fast if he had to play next to guys like Bonner, Finley, and Mason Jr..

But I guess when you’re the greatest of all time, you’re entitled to all that.

[Dejounte]

Damn I Wanted Adams. Maybe They Can Valanciunas Or However It’s Spelled

[RC_Drunkford]

I don’t care how homerish this sounds, I’m glad the spurs had Timmy over Lebron. Lebron is arguably the greatest player of all time but his low key diva antics would have been frustrating to deal with. Everything’s good and he’s the ultimate teammate until things stop going his way and he leaves. The guy would have bailed on the spurs fast if he had to play next to guys like Bonner, Finley, and Mason Jr..

But I guess when you’re the greatest of all time, you’re entitled to all that.

Lol he's not. It's universally understood that it's Michael Jordan

[RC_Drunkford]

So Murray/Vassell/LeBron/Sochan/Wemby is a theoretical possibility? Where would that put us next season?

[LeBowen]

So Murray/Vassell/LeBron/Sochan/Wemby is a theoretical possibility? Where would that put us next season?

It would put us in 1979 if we talk spacing.

I don't want Murray and I certainly don't want Lebron.
Wemby's got the right mindset and it seems that he'll be a natural leader, we don't need anyone disturbing the balance.
Murray is an idiot and not a perfect fit, Lebron is a diva who would pressure PATFO into making win now trades.

[manufan10]

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[scott]

The TV guy on Twitter saying Lebron was on the block also was adamant that his sources said Bron was signing with the Clippers, not the Lakers, so take it with a grain of salt.

[baseline bum]

So Murray/Vassell/LeBron/Sochan/Wemby is a theoretical possibility? Where would that put us next season?

Drafting Bronny in the top 5 :lol

[baseline bum]

The TV guy on Twitter saying Lebron was on the block also was adamant that his sources said Bron was signing with the Clippers, not the Lakers, so take it with a grain of salt.

You sure? I saw him call LeBron to the Lakers at the trade deadline a few months before he went there. He said Kawhi wanted the Clippers and had no intention of signing with the Lakers.

[manufan10]

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[manufan10]

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[baseline bum]

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JFC Wright should be hung from his balls from the front of the Alamo if he gives up assets for that pos

[CGD]

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I mean, if he's free why not

[Kevin]

No to Hayes.

Spurs should only be looking to land a big fish with the stash of assets they have including cap space which quickly gets eaten up by Hayes/Keldon/Zollins types.

[baseline bum]

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I'd jump on that in a second if Tre is willing to back his brother up.

[Mr. Body]

Tre Jones is straight up better than Killian Hayes.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=hayeski01&p1yrfrom=2024&p1yrto=2024&player_id2=jonestr01&p2yrfrom=2024&p2yrto=2024

[baseline bum]

I mean, if he's free why not

There's a reason he's free. He'd be like the fifth best PG on the team behind Tre, Blake, Jeremy, and Bran Ham.

[LeBowen]

Tre Jones is straight up better than Killian Hayes.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=hayeski01&p1yrfrom=2024&p1yrto=2024&player_id2=jonestr01&p2yrfrom=2024&p2yrto=2024

Everyone is better than Killian Hayes.
Wesley with his current skillset is a better PG than Hayes.

I honestly can't see anything happening at the deadline.
Maybe Doug and Cedi get moved for a second or two, but that's it.

Unless a star player asks out, no point in making trades now when the season is already over and you don't want to win too much and find yourself out of top5 odds.

[baseline bum]

Everyone is better than Killian Hayes.
Wesley with his current skillset is a better PG than Hayes.

I honestly can't see anything happening at the deadline.
Maybe Doug and Cedi get moved for a second or two, but that's it.

Unless a star player asks out, no point in making trades now when the season is already over and you don't want to win too much and find yourself out of top5 odds.

They'd both be better PGs than Hayes too.

[baseline bum]

Killian Hayes would be the worst player on the Spurs. If it wasn't for Wiseman he'd be the worst player on the Pistons.

[spurraider21]

how many picks are the pistons attaching to Killian?

[SpurSpike]

No to Hayes and Tyus, they aren't the ones. Tre is already as good or better than both and he costs us nothing.

Is it because he is French American that the Spurs are favorites to get Killian? We cant just pick guys up because they speak french lol.

[r0drig0lac]

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not bad

[baseline bum]

No to Hayes and Tyus, they aren't the ones. Tre is already as good or better than both and he costs us nothing.

A couple of seconds for Tyus Jones would be an unbelievable steal if Tre is good with it and he wants to re-sign this summer.

[toki9]

Didn't Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer have Killian Hayes as the top prospect in 2020 draft? I wonder just how much that hip tear hampered Hayes's development.

[spurs10]

JFC Wright should be hung from his balls from the front of the Alamo if he gives up assets for that pos Not the graphic visuals I needed today...:hang

[Brazil]

I don't want Murray and I certainly don't want Lebron.


:lol

[SpurSpike]

Wish Washington would trade Bilal Coulibaly...

[Brazil]

Spurs fans..

:cry I don't want Lebron cauz reasons
:cry I dont want Murray cauz idiot
:cry I don't want Trae cauz the fit

At this point you would find Spurs fans not wanting luka cauz too fat, jocic cauz too slow, prime MJ cauz too good

smh...

[Brazil]

Wish Washington would trade Bilal Coulibaly...

I'm a fan of Bilal but his position is not the most critical to fill for the Spurs right now tbh

[freetiago]

Trae Young can’t even make the all star team or playoffs in ATL anymore. He could want out and is the type of player they should be waiting for.

[LeBowen]

:lol

What are you, a resident clown or something?
DJ has serious character issues and has proven that he's not a winning player.
Not an elite playmaker, streaky shooter and horrible off the ball. Everything you don't want in a playmaker that would be paired with Wemby.

Idk why are people even mentioning Lebron. He's certainly not coming to SA.
And even if he did, he would demand all those picks to be traded fro some middling all-star and then Spurs would be fucked in a few years when he retires, which would end with not being able to build around Wemby.

I said multiple times that I'd like Garland, but he still seems to be having injury issues.
If Mitchell signs an extension with the Cavs, Spurs should focus on Garland. But that's not going to happen before the summer.

I'd also have nothing against trading for Trae. Give Hawks those three picks back, throw in Keldon if they want him.

If we talk free agents, I said I'd take Buddy Hield for a deal in 50/3 range in the summer. Would be perfect Doug replacement and a great 6th man.
Tobias Harris would also be a good stop-gap, but only on a two or three year deal.
Valanciunas is also an expiring and would be solid, but I doubt he'd be interested in being a backup and I don't want Wemby being moved back to PF.

Happy now?
Just because I don't want Murray and his negative IQ (both on and off the floor) or 40 year old Lebron, that doesn't mean I don't want anyone.

You don't make a trade for the sake of making a trade, it needs to make sense.

[toki9]

What are you, a resident clown or something?
DJ has serious character issues and has proven that he's not a winning player.
Not an elite playmaker, streaky shooter and horrible off the ball. Everything you don't want in a playmaker that would be paired with Wemby.

Idk why are people even mentioning Lebron. He's certainly not coming to SA.
And even if he did, he would demand all those picks to be traded fro some middling all-star and then Spurs would be fucked in a few years when he retires, which would end with not being able to build around Wemby.

I said multiple times that I'd like Garland, but he still seems to be having injury issues.
If Mitchell signs an extension with the Cavs, Spurs should focus on Garland. But that's not going to happen before the summer.

I'd also have nothing against trading for Trae. Give Hawks those three picks back, throw in Keldon if they want him.

If we talk free agents, I said I'd take Buddy Hield for a deal in 50/3 range in the summer. Would be perfect Doug replacement and a great 6th man.
Tobias Harris would also be a good stop-gap, but only on a two or three year deal.
Valanciunas is also an expiring and would be solid, but I doubt he'd be interested in being a backup and I don't want Wemby being moved back to PF.

Happy now?
Just because I don't want Murray and his negative IQ (both on and off the floor) or 40 year old Lebron, that doesn't mean I don't want anyone.

You don't make a trade for the sake of making a trade, it needs to make sense.

Off-topic, but did you ever find that article about Duncan's block efficiency? I thought I found something and sent you a PM.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1753506071350538674

[Brazil]

What are you, a resident clown or something?
DJ has serious character issues and has proven that he's not a winning player.
Not an elite playmaker, streaky shooter and horrible off the ball. Everything you don't want in a playmaker that would be paired with Wemby.

Idk why are people even mentioning Lebron. He's certainly not coming to SA.
And even if he did, he would demand all those picks to be traded fro some middling all-star and then Spurs would be fucked in a few years when he retires, which would end with not being able to build around Wemby.

I said multiple times that I'd like Garland, but he still seems to be having injury issues.
If Mitchell signs an extension with the Cavs, Spurs should focus on Garland. But that's not going to happen before the summer.

I'd also have nothing against trading for Trae. Give Hawks those three picks back, throw in Keldon if they want him.

If we talk free agents, I said I'd take Buddy Hield for a deal in 50/3 range in the summer. Would be perfect Doug replacement and a great 6th man.
Tobias Harris would also be a good stop-gap, but only on a two or three year deal.
Valanciunas is also an expiring and would be solid, but I doubt he'd be interested in being a backup and I don't want Wemby being moved back to PF.

Happy now?
Just because I don't want Murray and his negative IQ (both on and off the floor) or 40 year old Lebron, that doesn't mean I don't want anyone.

You don't make a trade for the sake of making a trade, it needs to make sense.

:lol not gonna read your wall of text tbh...

:cry I don't want Lebron James, he is too good

[Brazil]

Just to put the :cry I don't want Lebron

Dude is playing 35 mpg, still did not miss any game, shoots 40% from 3, average 25 pts, dishes 8 assists. He is arguably the goat or second to goat but yeah the idea to pair this freak to Victor is a bad idea :lmao Victor would probably learn anything from him... :lmao

[Mr. Body]

There is no way Klutch is going to let LeBron go to San Antonio.

[LeBowen]

:lol not gonna read your wall of text tbh...

:cry I don't want Lebron James, he is too good

Good to know that you can't read and completely miss the point.

30k braindead posts.

Yeah, Lebron would surely join and wait for Spurs to pick three rookies in 2025.
He'd force Brian Wrong to trade for Lavine and Dinwiddie or some shit.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1753506071350538674

Man, that actually would be a good fit. Is the Embiid injury season ending?

[JPB]

Brazil embarassing himself.

[spurraider21]

There is no way Klutch is going to let LeBron go to San Antonio.
i think lebron tells klutch what to do more than the other way around tbh

[scott]

LeBron is awesome and only a hater would disagree.

But there is no way he is ever coming here, even if we drafted his son #1 overall, so all this discussion is just good entertainment :lol

[Mr. Body]

i think lebron tells klutch what to do more than the other way around tbh

More or less my point.

[poopbox]

No to Hayes.

Spurs should only be looking to land a big fish with the stash of assets they have including cap space which quickly gets eaten up by Hayes/Keldon/Zollins types.

Got to keep Wemby happy. He about to have all these french bums sitting on our bench like Giannis does with his brother in Milwaukee

[exstatic]

Trae Young can’t even make the all star team or playoffs in ATL anymore. He could want out and is the type of player they should be waiting for.

Dream scenario is ATL trades DJ, they founder, and Trae forces his way to a team that is not the Spurs, and we hit on both picks and the swap.

[exstatic]

i think lebron tells klutch what to do more than the other way around tbh

LeBron OWNS Klutch. It’s his company, so…ya think?

[r0drig0lac]

Got to keep Wemby happy. He about to have all these french bums sitting on our bench like Giannis does with his brother in Milwaukee

:lol

[baseline bum]

Man, that actually would be a good fit. Is the Embiid injury season ending?

Would be a dumb trade for them if it is since they could just sign DeRozan in the summer.

[BatManu20]

Man, that actually would be a good fit. Is the Embiid injury season ending?

If the Sixers have any sense about them then it should be. You don’t rush 7-footers back from knee injuries. Would be beyond dumb on their part. So would giving up a FRP for DeMar if Embiid is out for the year.

[objective]

Will the Bulls get more for a declining DeRozan expiring than the Spurs did for sending him out in a sign and trade?

[CGD]

Would be a dumb trade for them if it is since they could just sign DeRozan in the summer.

F the summer, lol. It’s a no brainer if they think it helps them win this year. They’re in contention, not the 2024 spurs. The more important question is whether Joel is done for the year with his knee, which I haven’t been following closely.

[CGD]

Will the Bulls get more for a declining DeRozan expiring than the Spurs did for sending him out in a sign and trade?

They will not, but I also think they want to extend him for some reason