spurs trade rumors

[JeffDuncan]

... Sell McDermott Graham and Osman at the deadline for second rounders. ...


No, to that. Their salaries could be useful in trades. Exact salary matching is rare, usually some filler is needed. The idea of just trading those contracts for picks is not wise.

Also, Osman could continue as a useful bench player (if his contract isn’t used as filler in a larger trade.) His current contract of $6.7M is not overpriced for a respectable, veteran bench player. Whatever the Spurs may come up with for starting players, they’ll still need a bench. If I ruled the world, and presuming that Osman continues to play well enough, I’d offer him a 2-year at $7M per year, no more than that, with the understanding that he’d be expected to contribute off the bench.

[spurraider21]

No, to that. Their salaries could be useful in trades. Exact salary matching is rare, usually some filler is needed. The idea of just trading those contracts for picks is not wise.

Also, Osman could continue as a useful bench player (if his contract isn’t used as filler in a larger trade.) His current contract of $6.7M is not overpriced for a respectable, veteran bench player. Whatever the Spurs may come up with for starting players, they’ll still need a bench. If I ruled the world, and presuming that Osman continues to play well enough, I’d offer him a 2-year at $7M per year, no more than that, with the understanding that he’d be expected to contribute off the bench.
expiring contracts for salary matching purposes are only inherently useful if the team sending that out (here, the spurs) are willing to take on longer term, unwanted salary. do the spurs want to commit to doing that for the 2024 offseason already? if not, then those guys only have value if a team actually wants the player for basketball purposes for ROS

[BackHome]

Raptors just waived Christian Koloko a 7,1 Center - I liked him during draft but have not followed him since he got picked two years ago.

[scott]

Raptors just waived Christian Koloko a 7,1 Center - I liked him during draft but have not followed him since he got picked two years ago.

I thought I remember hearing decent things about him last year, but he hasn't played at all this year for the Raptors or in the G-League.

Would be funny if we signed him though, then we'll end up with the player we got with the TOR pick (Branham) and the player that was used with our pick (Koloko). Too bad they both suck, apparently.

[jjspur]

No, to that. Their salaries could be useful in trades. Exact salary matching is rare, usually some filler is needed. The idea of just trading those contracts for picks is not wise.

Also, Osman could continue as a useful bench player (if his contract isn’t used as filler in a larger trade.) His current contract of $6.7M is not overpriced for a respectable, veteran bench player. Whatever the Spurs may come up with for starting players, they’ll still need a bench. If I ruled the world, and presuming that Osman continues to play well enough, I’d offer him a 2-year at $7M per year, no more than that, with the understanding that he’d be expected to contribute off the bench.

Agree. Don't we have a ton of 2nd round picks already ? Sure, throw a few 2nd's with a a player to make a deal easier. but we still have plenty. Most second rounders usually don't make the team anyway. They're usually stuck in the Gleague for a while and very few make it up to the big team.

Osman has be a rather pleasant surprise. We need vets like him that know their role be it a starter or bench player. Maybe one of McNuggets or Osman gets traded but the spurs usually stand pat during the trade deadline instead waiting for someone at the end of the roster to be released or bought out. I'm not holding my breath, but I am hoping for something to improve this team.

[Mr. Body]

Agree. Don't we have a ton of 2nd round picks already ? Sure, throw a few 2nd's with a a player to make a deal easier. but we still have plenty. Most second rounders usually don't make the team anyway. They're usually stuck in the Gleague for a while and very few make it up to the big team.

Osman has be a rather pleasant surprise. We need vets like him that know their role be it a starter or bench player. Maybe one of McNuggets or Osman gets traded but the spurs usually stand pat during the trade deadline instead waiting for someone at the end of the roster to be released or bought out. I'm not holding my breath, but I am hoping for something to improve this team.

Second rounders have become something of an added currency in the NBA, although an odd one, since as you say they have limited value. Certainly not no value, but not like firsts obviously. Silver has floated adding a third round and this is part of my belief - that they want to add more forms of currency since so many teams have blown their stack on firsts.

Anyway, I believe the Spurs will want to move Cedi, Dougie, and Devonte as 'good soldier' moves. They've put their time in on a bad team and deserve to play for contenders if they can. Same way the FO made sure Poeltl, Murray, and Derrick were sent to good teams and not shitty ones. Almost, getting seconds for them, if possible, is beside the point.

[scott]

The third round idea is interesting to me, considering how second rounders already have such a low hit rate. My only thought is that the third round would be viewed as a two-way slot draft (which the back half of the 2nd round kind of already is). I don't know where else these 30 extra players are going to go.

[Chinook]

The third round idea is interesting to me, considering how second rounders already have such a low hit rate. My only thought is that the third round would be viewed as a two-way slot draft (which the back half of the 2nd round kind of already is). I don't know where else these 30 extra players are going to go.

Only thing I can think of is if they go for an honest-to-god farm system and can draft guys with the explicit understanding that they are going to spend one or more years in the d-league. You'd think that would've been something worked out in the CBA though. Seems way too big to put into an amendment. UDFAs are good for the league, so I don't see the benefit of adding a third round, though I still like the idea of adding some compensatory picks in between rounds 1 and 2 for teams that lost major free agents.

[Chinook]

What would folks think about Quentin Grimes? On one hand, it seems pretty dumb to trade for a two-guard given the roster already. But Grimes seems to offer something different in terms of speed and rim-attacking ability. I think he'd fit in better with the starters than Champ does, for example.

[jjspur]

I feel for Cedi, Dougie, and Devonte . Only Cedi has been given some real minutes this season, the other two not so much. Wonder what Devonte did to get into Pop's doghouse, but he at least has pg skills more so than blake or sohan. Just a shame that they may be traded for a not so valuable 2nd rounders, if not just out released for some younger player with some potential. These guys aren't the best, but they are vets who provide decent experience to a lackluster marginal team. I'm hoping they at least keep Cedi, the dude hustles.

[mo7888]

What would folks think about Quentin Grimes? On one hand, it seems pretty dumb to trade for a two-guard given the roster already. But Grimes seems to offer something different in terms of speed and rim-attacking ability. I think he'd fit in better with the starters than Champ does, for example.

Grimes is better than Champ, but he's not worth giving up much for. If we took him in some 3 team construct and we were contributing a 2nd then that would be fine.

[Cabrito]

Koloko has career threatening blood clots and unable to practice.

[DPG21920]

Doug + Cedi for Fournier + Grimes

[scott]

Doug + Cedi for Fournier + Grimes

Why does NYK do this? Are they trying to get off of Grimes for some reason?

[TD 21]

I like Grimes, but not for the Spurs. They don't need a high floor/low ceiling, borderline starter 3 and D SG and they'd be small on the wings again with him or Vassell playing as the nominal SF.

Also, in a vacuum he's probably worth a pick in the 20 range, but because the Knicks have plenty of those already, he's worth more to them as a solid, young cost controlled player to offer in a package for Murray or someone of that ilk.


My guess would be Wizards would need more to eat Capela. I understand this would get them off of Gafford, but his contract is very reasonable (due $13MM next year, $14MM after that) especially compared to Capela. Gafford is a positive asset, whereas I'd view Capela as a negative one for WAS.

Supposedly the Rockets are still interested in Capela too, which should make it easier . . .

To Hawks: McDermott, Graham, Oladipo, Landale, 2 1sts via Spurs (Raptors or Bulls + Hawks '27?)

To Rockets: Capela, Mathews

To Spurs: Murray, Mills

[Chinook]

Why does NYK do this? Are they trying to get off of Grimes for some reason?

Yes. They apparently want a forward who can be in their rotation and to reduce the glut of guards. That's a problem the Spurs would inherit from NYK if they do the trade above.

[spurraider21]

Yes. They apparently want a forward who can be in their rotation and to reduce the glut of guards. That's a problem the Spurs would inherit from NYK if they do the trade above.
To be fair the spurs don’t have an nba caliber SG other than Vassell

[Titi Parisien]

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D. McDermott (https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
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Cedi Osman (https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
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SF
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[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748377677306777728

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748377677306777728

Spoiler: none of those teams are interested in Kyle Kuzma.

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748377677306777728

I hope he goes to the Warriors and gets KO'ed by Donkey.

[Leetonidas]

Amico is trash and is known for making shit up so yeah that's probably nonsense

[scott]

Yes. They apparently want a forward who can be in their rotation and to reduce the glut of guards. That's a problem the Spurs would inherit from NYK if they do the trade above.

I don’t follow the Knicks very closely, but I thought they had generally solved this problem with the OG trade? Their continued interest in Murray leads me to believe they’d be more looking for an upgrade at SG next to Brunson as opposed to shedding guard depth just to bring in role playing forward depth (specifically referring to the proposal of sending them Doug and Cedi for Fournier and Grimes).

[baseline bum]

I don't understand the Murray hype. Add him to the mix and we have three guys next season averaging almost 25M none of whom are legit stars like Young.

The odds are pretty good Atlanta will try blow it up over the summer and the first step in that process is recouping the picks from the Murray trade.

As long as Young is with the Hawks their picks will float in the 8-10 range just so Wright can draft the next Sochan, Vessel or Primo. The fascination with keeping those picks just doesn't add up as long as Young stays in Atlanta.

So don't get a good player in Murray because the Spurs fucked up and overpaid Collins? Not that I wouldn't want to trade for Trae if he became available.

[mo7888]

It's hard for me to see the Kuzma interest for the Spurs... I'm having a hard time buying that report..

[Dverde]

Spurs are interested in a third team in the trade taking Kuzma.

[Dejounte]

Spurs are interested in a third team in the trade taking Kuzma.

Source?

[spurraider21]

i have absolutely zero interest in kuzma

[DPG21920]

Why does NYK do this? Are they trying to get off of Grimes for some reason?

Ya. More about replacing two guys who have asked out (Fournier and now Grimes) with 2 vets that are better players than Fournier and not taking on money next year.

Fournier has negative value and has been very vocal on asking out. Doug and Cedi are both much better players and NY can use the shooting. Grimes has some value, but NY obv doesnt want to pay him, minimized his role and now he is asking out publicly.

Not sure what value Grimes has, especially attaching Fournier to him, but getting 2 legit rotational level players who are not malcontent alongside maybe some 2nds may be best they can do?

[DPG21920]

Yes. They apparently want a forward who can be in their rotation and to reduce the glut of guards. That's a problem the Spurs would inherit from NYK if they do the trade above.

Which doesn’t bother me since Doug/Cedi likely gone anyways and Spurs shopping them. At least SA gets a look at a general younger talent that’s cheap for a year so to me that’s worth any headache especially with Barlow getting more run etc…

[DPG21920]

I don’t follow the Knicks very closely, but I thought they had generally solved this problem with the OG trade? Their continued interest in Murray leads me to believe they’d be more looking for an upgrade at SG next to Brunson as opposed to shedding guard depth just to bring in role playing forward depth (specifically referring to the proposal of sending them Doug and Cedi for Fournier and Grimes).

Grimes is out of the functional consistent rotation and has asked out….think it’s combo of NY not having a spot for him for whatever reason, not wanting to extend him and him wanting out. Thats 2 guys (Fournier + Grimes) wanting out and a team in SA that has some vets that can help IMO. Especially since I think both Fournier and Grimes would be happy to be in SA for various reasons (Fournier has mentioned Spurs/Pop/Wemby and Grimes would have a shot to earn some real minutes IMO)

[scott]

Ya. More about replacing two guys who have asked out (Fournier and now Grimes) with 2 vets that are better players than Fournier and not taking on money next year.

Fournier has negative value and has been very vocal on asking out. Doug and Cedi are both much better players and NY can use the shooting. Grimes has some value, but NY obv doesnt want to pay him, minimized his role and now he is asking out publicly.

Not sure what value Grimes has, especially attaching Fournier to him, but getting 2 legit rotational level players who are not malcontent alongside maybe some 2nds may be best they can do?

I did not know Grimes was asking out, so thanks for that context. I believe Fournier is expiring though, so I’m not sure he is that much of a negative asset. (Just checked Spotrac, and yep, Fournier has a club option next year which will undoubtedly be declined so he is an expiring).

Grimes would definitely be a decent roll of the dice for a backup SG, so I dig it… but maybe we have to include some SRPs to grease the wheels on your hypothetical deal?

In all honestly though, I could see both Doug and Cedi back next year. A vet min deal for Doug and maybe like a 2/$12 for Cedi? I wouldn’t hate it, they’d bring some vet leadership and I would expect their roles to diminish.

[DPG21920]

I can squint and see a reason for Spurs/Kuzma. Now, am I paying the reported 2 firsts? Hell no. But if it’s CHA Pick (a possible first but more likely 2 2nds) and 2 2nds? Sure maybe IF Spurs see these things:

1) Kuz has some size and kind of plays two ways. If you land him can he elevate the top 7 rotation talent wise and give you more as a starter in place of Champanie?

2) You get to consolidate some money/roster spot into one player and Kuz deal is declining every year so its not a bad value or future trade salary if a bigger move presents itself

3) You dont like FA and dont see anything there worth spending the money on, but still want some degree of talent upgrade that is cost controlled

4) You dont have any plans for the money via trade, absorbing bad deals for more picks or FA and instead of just waiting it you get Kuz and by the time (2 years?) you may want off the roller coaster for better player and bigger move he has an easily movable deal/salary

I don’t love him, but that’s me playing devil’s advocate on why he may make sense and why SA may have interest

[LeBowen]

Kuzma would be a perfect fit for this roster.
Horrible defender and low IQ scorer.

[DPG21920]

I did not know Grimes was asking out, so thanks for that context. I believe Fournier is expiring though, so I’m not sure he is that much of a negative asset. (Just checked Spotrac, and yep, Fournier has a club option next year which will undoubtedly be declined so he is an expiring).

Grimes would definitely be a decent roll of the dice for a backup SG, so I dig it… but maybe we have to include some SRPs to grease the wheels on your hypothetical deal?

In all honestly though, I could see both Doug and Cedi back next year. A vet min deal for Doug and maybe like a 2/$12 for Cedi? I wouldn’t hate it, they’d bring some vet leadership and I would expect their roles to diminish.

For sure. I’d rather keep Doug/Cedi for cheap than bring in a revolving door of low ceiling vets just to replace them for sake of doing it. But with reports (and common sense IMO) saying SA is shopping Doug/Cedi to me a deal like this makes sense and is likely best you can do.

I definitely agree SA would likely need to add a couple 2nds but that’s no biggie since SA has so many of them.

Fournier is negative because his on court value is negative coupled with the very public wanting out etc….His contract not an issue, but its worthless is the point in terms of anything and getting two rotation players for him like Doug/Cedi is a haul hence IMO needing to put in Grimes (who has value).

Basically it’s Doug/Cedi for Grimes - taking Fournier just gets rid of the awkward headache for Thibbs.

[DPG21920]

But NY may very well be able to combine Fournier+Grimes and add a first to get a better player than Doug/Cedi, just have to see how Grimes is valued and what NY is willing to do picks wise.

Would they rather give up a first with Grimes/Fournier and land Jordan Clarkson? Or would they rather get 2 2nds alongside Doug/Cedi for Grimes/Fournier?

[DPG21920]

Ive read some other stuff like the below as well. Not sure Grimes is full throated asking out, but that’s the rumor behind the scenes


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[The Truth #6]

Kuz played for Pop with the National team and I think elevated his game under Pop, so he may see some sort of reclamation project. Hard to say. Could be hot air.


https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/11/6/20952630/lakers-news-gregg-popovich-big-fan-kyle-kuzma-manu-ginobili-comparison-team-usa

[jjspur]

I like the idea of trading for Grimes, but not Fournier. What exactly has he done in the last few years other than complain about his playing time ? Tibbs is a tough coach who doesn't put up with complainers. I'd wait till after the deadline since I think the Knicks will waive him if they can't trade him. At least Dougie doesn't complain about playing time or starting.

[DPG21920]

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[DPG21920]

I like the idea of trading for Grimes, but not Fournier. What exactly has he done in the last few years other than complain about his playing time ? Tibbs is a tough coach who doesn't put up with complainers. I'd wait till after the deadline since I think the Knicks will waive him if they can't trade him. At least Dougie doesn't complain about playing time or starting.

Fournier is the price you pay to get Grimes. Spurs aren’t winning and can just cut Fournier if they want. Doug/Cedi are expiring deals anyways and so is Fournier so its not a big deal IMO

[$pursDynasty]

Now the Spurs can easily top this offer unless it is a NBA assisted wink wink nudge nudge offer. What is D'Angelo's value comparable to seriously not hating? A cheap 1st, two seconds? I am asking to know what the Spurs would have to pay to simple beat the Lakers offer, not overpay?

[DPG21920]

Now the Spurs can easily top this offer unless it is a NBA assisted wink wink nudge nudge offer. What is D'Angelo's value comparable to seriously not hating? A cheap 1st, two seconds? I am asking to know what the Spurs would have to pay to simple beat the Lakers offer, not overpay?

Spurs can easily beat this offer if they want - you are correct. DLO definitely has more value than Doug/Cedi/Graham salaries, but at least Doug/Cedi/Graham (outside of 2.5M) are truly expiring for teams looking for a reset.

But picks wise? SA can crush Lakers and even just giving ATL one of their picks back should be more valuable than anything LA can offer.

[baseline bum]

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If the 2029 is unprotected the Spurs would probably need to give Atlanta their 2027 back to top that offer. If not they could offer the 2027 with say top 4 protection plus the Chicago 2025 pick and crush that offer.

[Mr. Body]

LOL annual "Lakers are interested in everybody" clickbait articles that AI is born to write going forward. They don't have anything to trade... although last year they somehow got DLO and two good role players for a single pick and getting rid of Westbrook. Wonder how that stuff keeps happening.

Problem here is no one wants DLO and they need a third team to dump him on. ATL supposedly wanted Reaves and are no longer interested in a Lake package without him... because there ain't nothing else LA has.

[baseline bum]

Spurs can easily beat this offer if they want - you are correct. DLO definitely has more value than Doug/Cedi/Graham salaries, but at least Doug/Cedi/Graham (outside of 2.5M) are truly expiring for teams looking for a reset.

But picks wise? SA can crush Lakers and even just giving ATL one of their picks back should be more valuable than anything LA can offer.

IDK an unprotected Lakers 2029 could be juicy as hell with LeBron looting that team of so much of its young talent and Davis being a China doll. If I'm the Lakers I would trade Davis now for picks and young guys and then see if Miami would give up Jaquez and a first for LeBron to try to truly make a title run, trade Reaves for Murray, and maybe still have a team that never bottoms out but has capspace to reload.

[DPG21920]

IDK an unprotected Lakers 2029 could be juicy as hell with LeBron looting that team of so much of its young talent and Davis being a China doll. If I'm the Lakers I would trade Davis now for picks and young guys and then see if Miami would give up Jaquez and a first for LeBron to try to truly make a title run, trade Reaves for Murray, and maybe still have a team that never bottoms out but has capspace to reload.

I think it’s more about there being nothing more valuable than controlling your own picks and destiny. Sure that Lakers pick *could* be juicy, but if ATL gets their own pick back? They can guarantee its juicy by tanking etc..

[Mr. Body]

By 2029 the Lakers will have Giannis, Doncic, Tatum or a mix of them.

[baseline bum]

By 2029 the Lakers will have Giannis, Doncic, Tatum or a mix of them.

If they blew it up now they might have a real chance but no one is going there to be a one man team. I could see them in 2029 being in the same shape they were when Aldridge didn't give them a second thought after meeting in free agency.

[RC_Drunkford]

oh the annual "Spurs are interested in Kuzma" articles that we be getting for the past 8 years or so :lol

I really hope the Spurs make a run at DJ, but knowing them they won't

[The Truth #6]

If it's a low price I'd be curious about Kuzma IF Pop sees potential there from his time before with him. More so than overpaying to get Dejounte.

[exstatic]

It's hard for me to see the Kuzma interest for the Spurs... I'm having a hard time buying that report..

He’s really too dumb to play here.

[exstatic]

If the 2029 is unprotected the Spurs would probably need to give Atlanta their 2027 back to top that offer. If not they could offer the 2027 with say top 4 protection plus the Chicago 2025 pick and crush that offer.

Even under duress, the Lakers wouldn’t make the pick that when to Utah with Westchuck unprotected. It was 1-4 protected, with one chance to convey, before becoming seconds.

[Mr. Body]

Even under duress, the Lakers wouldn’t make the pick that when to Utah with Westchuck unprotected. It was 1-4 protected, with one chance to convey, before becoming seconds.

That was such a quizzical trade for Ainge.

[baseline bum]

Kuzma for $25 million is fucking gross. Don't think I'd do that trade even if they took Collins' money with how shitty defensively Kuzma is.

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[BatManu20]

Trae Young would be an incredible pairing with Wemby, despite many poster's best efforts on here to convince themselves otherwise. I was actually the first person to mention the Spurs trading for Trae trade a couple months ago, before it started trending on social media (nbd).

But considering how badly we fucked the Hawks in the Dejounte trade, I have no doubt that they'd be more than happy to return the favor in any trade involving Trae tbh. Would likely have to sell the farm to make it happen, and I'm not sure PATFO would be willing to do that. A lot will be determined on where we pick in the upcoming draft. If Topic is somehow attainable with our pick, think PATFO will gladly just go that route, even if we have to trade an extra pick to move up to get him, as opposed to putting together a package of multiple FRP's + Keldon or another player.

[BatManu20]

McBuckets is gone. Only a matter of time tbh. Hopefully we get more than a SRP or two, considering we’ve already stock-piled a ton of those for the foreseeable future, though I’m not holding my breath.


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[Mugen]

Trae would be a perfect Spur. The only idiots against it are Sniffers who still think this is 2006 and don't realize what a beautiful modern day pairing Trae/Wemby would be :lol

Not sure if it'll happen but Atlanta controlling their own destiny by getting their 2025, 2026, and 2027 picks back is definitely worth something tbh.

[Mugen]

McBuckets is gone. Only a matter of time tbh. Hopefully we get more than a SRP or two, considering we’ve already stock-piled a ton of those for the foreseeable future, though I’m not holding my breath.


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McBuckets should definitely be traded. I don't really even care about the return. I still don't know why we signed him since we're not gonna get much value back.

I guess he's earned it by being a good soldier but nobody was paying him what we did that offseason. BWrong :lol

[BatManu20]

McDermott and Branham straight up for Mykal Bridges. Who says no.


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[scott]

Interesting news that we turned down a trade for Doug last year. Not going to lose sleep over the 2028 SRP (or whatever) we missed out on though. Doug was probably pretty useful in helping us meet the salary floor. He's done is duty.

[CGD]

McBuckets is gone. Only a matter of time tbh. Hopefully we get more than a SRP or two, considering we’ve already stock-piled a ton of those for the foreseeable future, though I’m not holding my breath.


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The time to move him was last season or summer. Everyone knows he’s headed to buy out

[Kevin]

So don't get a good player in Murray because the Spurs fucked up and overpaid Collins? Not that I wouldn't want to trade for Trae if he became available.

Murray's not a difference maker so why trade away picks for him in addition to paying him an average of 28M over the next four years.

Murray had a career year two seasons ago but is otherwise a 20/5/5 player who shoots 46% from the field on 18 shots a game.

[Mr. Body]

Murray's not a difference maker so why trade away picks for him in addition to paying him an average of 28M over the next four years.

Murray had a career year two seasons ago but is otherwise a 20/5/5 player who shoots 46% from the field on 18 shots a game.

The "Murray's not a difference maker" just literally won two games in a row for Atlanta with game ending shots.

[baseline bum]

Murray's not a difference maker so why trade away picks for him in addition to paying him an average of 28M over the next four years.

Murray had a career year two seasons ago but is otherwise a 20/5/5 player who shoots 46% from the field on 18 shots a game.

So he'd provide offense desperately needed to this team while only making $3 million a year more than Vassell. No one's saying to empty the Spurs war chest of picks or give Atlanta their 25 or 26 back. But for the Chicago pick and their 27 with say top 5 protection, or even better the Spurs 27 pick, I'd do it if he's willing to waive the trade kicker. There doesn't look to be a Chris Paul or a Gary Payton in this draft, and even if there was Payton wasn't a good PG until he was like 24. So if the Spurs have Murray locked down they're not forced into drafting a PG who is likely to be a long term project and can instead look to forwards or just best available talent regardless of position. With Quickley now gone they're not finding a point anywhere close to as good as Murray in free agency.

[Kevin]

So he'd provide offense desperately needed to this team while only making $3 million a year more than Vassell. No one's saying to empty the Spurs war chest of picks or give Atlanta their 25 or 26 back. But for the Chicago pick and their 27 with say top 5 protection, or even better the Spurs 27 pick, I'd do it if he's willing to waive the trade kicker. There doesn't look to be a Chris Paul or a Gary Payton in this draft, and even if there was Payton wasn't a good PG until he was like 24. So if the Spurs have Murray locked down they're not forced into drafting a PG who is likely to be a long term project and can instead look to forwards or just best available talent regardless of position. With Quickley now gone they're not finding a point anywhere close to as good as Murray in free agency.

People would rather trade inferior assets for inferior players rather than getting Trae Young. I totally get it.

[baseline bum]

People would rather trade inferior assets for inferior players rather than getting Trae Young. I totally get it.

I'd much rather trade for Trae Young if Atlanta wants to completely blow it up but that might just be wishful thinking.

[LeBowen]

I'd much rather trade for Trae Young if Atlanta wants to completely blow it up but that might just be wishful thinking.

We just need to be patient.
Imo, there's no way for Hawks to actually make a solid roster that can be at least ECF candidate, let alone be a legit contender.
Meaning that unless Trae is content with being on a parennial treadmill team, he'll ask out sooner or later.
I can't see him stay with the Hawks past the summer 2025, he probably asks out before next season's transfer deadline.

They can at best make a lateral move with DJ trade and other mediocre assets they have.

When Trae asks out or Hawks accept they're not going anywhere, Spurs are their golden ticket to unfucking their situation.
Trading him to another team doesn't make sense because losing your franchise player and not having your own picks is just horrible.

From my point of view, if Trae actually asks out and the Spurs want him, no other team has a chance.
And he most definitely wants to play for the Spurs.

DJ is a solid player, but not what this team needs now.

[scott]

"Murray isn't a difference maker" says fan of team who got 12 games worse simply by trading Murray away

[LeBowen]

"Murray isn't a difference maker" says fan of team who got 12 games worse simply by trading Murray away

Yeah, most definitely was just on him leaving and not throwing away games by sitting healthy players just to get the best odds.
Poeltl also left.

If DJ is so good, how come the Hawks got worse?
43-31 and 43-39 in two seasons before he got there.
41-41 with him and now 18-23 in his second season there, they can't even get .500.
(I'm just using your logic here, there are way more factors involved than just win percentage.)

You got any more bad takes or is that all for today?

[baseline bum]

We just need to be patient.
Imo, there's no way for Hawks to actually make a solid roster that can be at least ECF candidate, let alone be a legit contender.
Meaning that unless Trae is content with being on a parennial treadmill team, he'll ask out sooner or later.
I can't see him stay with the Hawks past the summer 2025, he probably asks out before next season's transfer deadline.

They can at best make a lateral move with DJ trade and other mediocre assets they have.

When Trae asks out or Hawks accept they're not going anywhere, Spurs are their golden ticket to unfucking their situation.
Trading him to another team doesn't make sense because losing your franchise player and not having your own picks is just horrible.

From my point of view, if Trae actually asks out and the Spurs want him, no other team has a chance.
And he most definitely wants to play for the Spurs.

DJ is a solid player, but not what this team needs now.

Spurs would still be in the driver's seat to trade for Trae in a year or two if he asks out, and then you'd have a decent trade chip in Murray to move for better fitting pieces too. Of course if Trae is asking out behind the scenes right now, which wouldn't shock me given the way he has been talking about Victor and the Spurs to the media lately, you try to get him this year. I do think Murray is what the team needs now though (assuming Trae to be unavailable) and I'd take the bird in the hand if I can get him cheaply.

[LeBowen]

Spurs would still be in the driver's seat to trade for Trae in a year or two if he asks out, and then you'd have a decent trade chip in Murray to move for better fitting pieces too. Of course if Trae is asking out behind the scenes right now, which wouldn't shock me given the way he has been talking about Victor and the Spurs to the media lately, you try to get him this year. I do think Murray is what the team needs now though (assuming Trae to be unavailable) and I'd take the bird in the hand if I can get him cheaply.

Kind of too late now, we're already halfway through the season and the only thing trading for DJ would accomplish is maybe pushing us out of top3 lottery odds.
Then there's that disgusting scumbag Rich Paul. I'd rather not deal with him again. I'm sure he's pressuring the Hawks to accept the Lakers offer as we speak.
Plenty of players will be available in the summer.

Unless we can fleece the Hawks I'd rather not go for DJ.
If Trae is available, that's another story.

[buttsR4rebounding]

If the Hawks do move away from Young the Spurs are really their only real potential trading partner. Trading back their own picks is worth probably double the FRPs from another team. The Spurs trading back the 3 picks plus salary filler is likely better than 4 or 5 assets from another team. It would essentially mean we traded DJM for Trae and Wemby.

[KobesAchilles]

You have to start looking at teams that can even offer a good package for Young. There aren’t that many teams in the East that whether by fit or picks could even trade for him. The Heat are the only team I can think of and the package they can offer is worse than ours. It would be like Herro and picks. Maaaaybe CHI too. But I haven’t heard any chatter on that.

And there is no team in the West that can offer a package or even want him on their team except us. So we give them back one of our future FRP, their 25 FRP, and Vassell.

[Mr. Body]

Utah has picks. Houston has picks. Where is this notion coming from that we are the only team that could do this? Multiple other teams have their own picks to offer.

[buttsR4rebounding]

You have to start looking at teams that can even offer a good package for Young. There aren’t that many teams in the East that whether by fit or picks could even trade for him. The Heat are the only team I can think of and the package they can offer is worse than ours. It would be like Herro and picks. Maaaaybe CHI too. But I haven’t heard any chatter on that.

And there is no team in the West that can offer a package or even want him on their team except us. So we give them back one of our future FRP, their 25 FRP, and Vassell.

Quite true. I was indicating that as a top offer. Vassel just can’t seem to get separation to get easy shots. He literally shoots the most difficult shots in the league. It is a testament to his shot making ability that he does as well as he does, but you can’t be a dependable 2nd or 3rd option on a contender taking such a high percentage of difficult shots.

[LeBowen]

Utah has picks. Houston has picks. Where is this notion coming from that we are the only team that could do this? Multiple other teams have their own picks to offer.

Picks of a team that just traded for an all-star and is trying to win
vs
Getting back your own picks after you trade away your franchise player and start a rebuild

Toronto got 3FRP for Siakam that will be in 18-25 range.
One top10 pick is more valuable than those 3.

[RC_Drunkford]

the crazy thing about Trae is he has a termination clause in his contract. From what I understand he can terminate his contract after the 25/26 season

[Mr. Body]

Picks of a team that just traded for an all-star and is trying to win
vs
Getting back your own picks after you trade away your franchise player and start a rebuild

Toronto got 3FRP for Siakam that will be in 18-25 range.
One top10 pick is more valuable than those 3.

The Spurs aren't alone in their situation.

[td4mvp2k]

the crazy thing about Trae is he has a termination clause in his contract. From how I understand he can terminate his contract after the 25/26 seasonhe threatens to leave then he becomes a bargain

[exstatic]

Utah has picks. Houston has picks. Where is this notion coming from that we are the only team that could do this? Multiple other teams have their own picks to offer.

OKC has picks and BKN has picks.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The Spurs aren't alone in their situation.

Except they are alone in being the only team with unprotected Atlanta picks—the whole point of the posts.

[KobesAchilles]

Man people need to start looking at fit instead of just looking at who has picks. Yea OKC has picks. They also have SGA, why would they want the ball out his hands for Young?? Houston has FVV, so them having picks is irrelevant bc they have no need for Young. Utah does not even want Young so why even bring him up? Ainge likes to draft not trade for players.

I thought of Brooklyn but they have no picks if their own and can only offer up Suns picks. We can beat their offer rather easily, plus Trae I think wouldn’t want to go to a bad team with no hope or way of even getting better

[The Truth #6]

I would love for Trae to demand to be traded to the Spurs. Lol. It would be a nice change from the typical coastal team destinations. Not that I necessarily want Trae but if that lowers his price, in this fantasy scenario, then I'm even more curious.

On a tangent, though this year draft is weak and seems to have less trade value potential, next year will likely be a seller's market, sort of a bubble market for the Flagg hype.

Now I'm just riffing, but the Atlanta 25 pick and Keldon and filler for Trae Young? I need to think about it. Just spitballing ideas.

[mo7888]

the crazy thing about Trae is he has a termination clause in his contract. From what I understand he can terminate his contract after the 25/26 season

He also has a 15% trade kicker. Between that kicker, ETO, and a lack of teams with good picks that would actually want him, I'm not sure he brings what everyone thinks he'll bring.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748819249651437779

[Dejounte]

Herb Is On My List Of Players I Covet. Herb Is Not A Volume Shooter And Probably On The Same Level As Sochan In That Regard But This Team Needs More Perimeter Defenders And Herb Is One Of Them.

[exstatic]

Man people need to start looking at fit instead of just looking at who has picks. Yea OKC has picks. They also have SGA, why would they want the ball out his hands for Young?? Houston has FVV, so them having picks is irrelevant bc they have no need for Young. Utah does not even want Young so why even bring him up? Ainge likes to draft not trade for players.

I thought of Brooklyn but they have no picks if their own and can only offer up Suns picks. We can beat their offer rather easily, plus Trae I think wouldn’t want to go to a bad team with no hope or way of even getting better

You guys are bending over SO far backwards. If Trae were amenable, Houston would kick FVV to the curb in a second to get Trae. Those Phoenix picks will probably be gold by the time they convey in 25,27,29. Beale will be 31 before next season, and Durant is 35. Trae would probably love the bright lights of NY.

[Mr. Body]

Houston would 100% go for Trae. That's absolutely a player they'd want. Y'all runnin yourselves silly because the Spurs are 0% ever going for Trae.

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748819249651437779

The Fat Boi and his supermax is already costing them valuable players.

[itzsoweezee]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748819249651437779

Very bizarre. Herb Jones is not the problem, and he’s not being paid much

[Mr. Body]

I don't believe the Herb Jones rumor at all nor does their fanbase. Jones is on a very good contract through 26/27. Their problem is McCollum and Valunicunas as a FA this summer.

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1748819249651437779

Yes, please.

[Kevin]

Hawks thought Murray was a difference maker and we're seeing how that's working out.

Hawks will only trade Young to the Spurs because the the Spurs control the Hawks picks. Not sure why that so hard to understand. People need to stop clinging to the fantasy of the Hawks blowing it up and tanking so those picks go top 5. It's not happening. Those picks will float in the 8-12 range with Young still in Atlanta or he gets traded to the Spurs and Atlanta gets their picks back. There's no third realistic scenario were Atlanta trades away Young and tanks without control over their own picks. It's all a fantasy.

[exstatic]

Hawks thought Murray was a difference maker and we're seeing how that's working out.

Hawks will only trade Young to the Spurs because the the Spurs control the Hawks picks. Not sure why that so hard to understand. People need to stop clinging to the fantasy of the Hawks blowing it up and tanking so those picks go top 5. It's not happening. Those picks will float in the 8-12 range with Young still in Atlanta or he gets traded to the Spurs and Atlanta gets their picks back. There's no third realistic scenario were Atlanta trades away Young and tanks without control over their own picks. It's all a fantasy.

Young has an Opt out after 25-26. He would use that if they’re still sucking, making the 27 pick gold. If he’s even hinting at that, they will trade him for what they can get a year or so early, making the 26 swap gold.

[Kevin]

Young has an Opt out after 25-26. He would use that if they’re still sucking, making the 27 pick gold. If he’s even hinting at that, they will trade him for what they can get a year or so early, making the 26 swap gold.

Both parties are aware of that opt out making a deal with the Spurs more imperative for the Hawks. Keep dreaming about those top five picks tho.

[exstatic]

Both parties are aware of that opt out making a deal with the Spurs more imperative for the Hawks. Keep dreaming about those top five picks tho.

They don’t have to be top 5 when we’re winning 55-60 games. Top 8-10 is fine.

It’s also not imperative that we get him, only that they trade him.

[Kevin]

They don’t have to be top 5 when we’re winning 55-60 games. Top 8-10 is fine.

It’s also not imperative that we get him, only that they trade him.

But it is imperative for the Hawks that he be traded to the Spurs because the Spurs own the Hawks picks. I've already explained all of this.

Also the SGA talk needs to stop. He's one of the least obtainable players in the NBA right now. OKC is on the door step of a golden age of championship contention while overflowing with draft capitol. Only way you get SGA is with Wemby.

[exstatic]

But it is imperative for the Hawks that he be traded to the Spurs because the Spurs own the Hawks picks. I've already explained all of this.

Also the SGA talk needs to stop. He's one of the least obtainable players in the NBA right now. OKC is on the door step of a golden age of championship contention while overflowing with draft capitol. Only way you get SGA is with Wemby.

I never mentioned SGA.

If they must trade him to us, then we have the leverage, not them. They can have their 27 pick,and the Chicagopick, or they can pound sand up their ass as he walks out the door for nothing.

[mo7888]

Hawks thought Murray was a difference maker and we're seeing how that's working out.

Hawks will only trade Young to the Spurs because the the Spurs control the Hawks picks. Not sure why that so hard to understand. People need to stop clinging to the fantasy of the Hawks blowing it up and tanking so those picks go top 5. It's not happening. Those picks will float in the 8-12 range with Young still in Atlanta or he gets traded to the Spurs and Atlanta gets their picks back. There's no third realistic scenario were Atlanta trades away Young and tanks without control over their own picks. It's all a fantasy.

DJ just hit two buzzer beaters and they're still only 5.5 games out of the 5th spot. They will be worse when they trade DJ for a couple of middling picks, so this team can easily be a worst 5 team with Trae and the worst in the league if he twists an ankle for any period of time.

[SpursBills]

But it is imperative for the Hawks that he be traded to the Spurs because the Spurs own the Hawks picks. I've already explained all of this.

Also the SGA talk needs to stop. He's one of the least obtainable players in the NBA right now. OKC is on the door step of a golden age of championship contention while overflowing with draft capitol. Only way you get SGA is with Wemby.

I'd take the Hawks finishing 8-12 for 3 years straight for sure. That's between a 7-20% chance each year of landing a top 4 pick. Meaning that on average you have a 1 in 3 chance of landing a top 4 pick sometime during those 3 years, and the other years it's still a decent lottery pick.

[DPG21920]

Im not giving up ATL picks in a deal for Murray. No chance.

Im open to Murray coming back in a trade, but no future Spurs picks or ATL.

Something like salary matching + CHA pick + CHA pick. If that doesn’t get it done, so be it. Thats pick 7-10 this year it looks like + 2 2nds.

[Teamduncan21]

Im not giving up ATL picks in a deal for Murray. No chance.

Im open to Murray coming back in a trade, but no future Spurs picks or ATL.

Something like salary matching + CHA pick + CHA pick. If that doesn’t get it done, so be it. Thats pick 7-10 this year it looks like + 2 2nds.

Make sense. Though that sounds quite low. If it was me I'll be fine sending the TOR pick too

[scott]

Also posted in the Murray trade thread, but Trae out indefinitely with a concussion. Wonder what impact, if any, this will have on the Hawks thinking.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39356045/hawks-trae-young-suffers-concussion-indefinitely

[DPG21920]

Make sense. Though that sounds quite low. If it was me I'll be fine sending the TOR pick too

Ya sorry. I typed CHA pick twice. Meant TOR + CHA

[Kevin]

I'd take the Hawks finishing 8-12 for 3 years straight for sure. That's between a 7-20% chance each year of landing a top 4 pick. Meaning that on average you have a 1 in 3 chance of landing a top 4 pick sometime during those 3 years, and the other years it's still a decent lottery pick.

The odds of the Spurs drafting a player of greater or equal value than Young with a top four pick are probably 50/50 at best. I bets it's closer to 25-30%. The odds of them picking a player with greater or equal value than Young in the 8-10 range are probably 5% each.

Even with some lottery luck and three bites at the apple the percentage play is trading those pick back to ATL in exchange for Young. I prefer playing the percentages plus getting an instant return on investment than playing longer odds with a longer wait time on ROI.

Three Devin Vessel's do not equal one Trae Young for those who might advocated that getting three solid starters is better than one star.

[exstatic]

The odds of the Spurs drafting a player of greater or equal value than Young with a top four pick are probably 50/50 at best. I bets it's closer to 25-30%. The odds of them picking a player with greater or equal value than Young in the 8-10 range are probably 5% each.

Even with some lottery luck and three bites at the apple the percentage play is trading those pick back to ATL in exchange for Young. I prefer playing the percentages plus getting an instant return on investment than playing longer odds with a longer wait time on ROI.

Three Devin Vessel's do not equal one Trae Young for those who might advocated that getting three solid starters is better than one star.

I think we can probably find a conscienceless gunner who shoots 35% from three and who will keep the ball away from Victor with one of those picks.

[Kevin]

I think we can probably find a conscienceless gunner who shoots 35% from three and who will keep the ball away from Victor with one of those picks.

Young averages close to 10 assist a game and only takes one more shot per game than DJM while scoring 6 more points per game.

[TD 21]

The odds of the Spurs drafting a player of greater or equal value than Young with a top four pick are probably 50/50 at best. I bets it's closer to 25-30%. The odds of them picking a player with greater or equal value than Young in the 8-10 range are probably 5% each.

It's way lower in both cases. The odds of drafting an borderline All-NBA caliber player are almost always miniscule.

[Kevin]

It's way lower in both cases. The odds of drafting an borderline All-NBA caliber player are almost always miniscule.

Yeah you gotta go for Young. The odds of the Spurs realizing equal or greater value than Young with those picks are fairly slim.

[Chinook]

It's funny how folks can shit on Branham and Sochan while also saying guys like Young aren't worth unprotected picks. Primo is unusually bad, but there are non-stars taken all over the draft. I get folks who think it's too early to make a huge move, but the flip side to Wright screwing ATL out of their picks for Murray is that it's going to cost a lot of trade for the star(s) required to get over the hump. Too many folks think the Spurs are going to nickel-and-dime or otherwise haggle their way into good trades. But that's how you end up having to sell your warchest at a discount. The Spurs' only real concern right now should be whether they think it's worth it to sacrifice the tanking progress next season. If's not, then there's no Murray trade that makes sense right now. If it is, then the Spurs should target the player(s) they want and come correct on offers for them. There's no point in having so much currency only to bargain shop.

[scott]

It's funny how folks can shit on Branham and Sochan while also saying guys like Young aren't worth unprotected picks. Primo is unusually bad, but there are non-stars taken all over the draft. I get folks who think it's too early to make a huge move, but the flip side to Wright screwing ATL out of their picks for Murray is that it's going to cost a lot of trade for the star(s) required to get over the hump. Too many folks think the Spurs are going to nickel-and-dime or otherwise haggle their way into good trades. But that's how you end up having to sell your warchest at a discount. The Spurs' only real concern right now should be whether they think it's worth it to sacrifice the tanking progress next season. If's not, then there's no Murray trade that makes sense right now. If it is, then the Spurs should target the player(s) they want and come correct on offers for them. There's no point in having so much currency only to bargain shop.

Great point that you would think would need no saying, but clearly it does, so thank you for making it.

If you only consider trades where you clearly take advantage of the other team, then you are severely limiting the potential trades you can take part in. There is no shame in not squeezing every amount of incremental value out of each trade you take part in, especially if said incremental value prevents you from getting the deal done. Would losing out on an extra lotto-protected FRP be worth losing out on a deal for [insert star of your choice]?

[CGD]

This whole convo is better deferred to the summer, though, I do support them discussing now what a potential Trae to SA framework could look like. If Murray is off the board by Feb so be it.

[Kevin]

This whole convo is better deferred to the summer, though, I do support them discussing now what a potential Trae to SA framework could look like. If Murray is off the board by Feb so be it.

Agree with this 100%. The tank must roll on for now and they should be sellers through this deadline with McDermott Graham and Osman

[CGD]

^ on that, does anyone know what teams are the ones who need to shed salary? That’s the starting point for potential trade partners. Just don’t know who they are these days.

[jjspur]

^ on that, does anyone know what teams are the ones who need to shed salary? That’s the starting point for potential trade partners. Just don’t know who they are these days.

I've read that the Pelicans might be willing to part with Herb Jones for the right price. I'd be willing to give up the Toronto pick for him. Anyone we pick in the 7 - 13 range probably wouldn't be as good as Jones is now and would probably be a bit of project any way. Jones is a finished product who would fit in perfectly for the spurs either as a starter or off the bench. Just a thought.

[SpursBills]

The odds of the Spurs drafting a player of greater or equal value than Young with a top four pick are probably 50/50 at best. I bets it's closer to 25-30%. The odds of them picking a player with greater or equal value than Young in the 8-10 range are probably 5% each.

Even with some lottery luck and three bites at the apple the percentage play is trading those pick back to ATL in exchange for Young. I prefer playing the percentages plus getting an instant return on investment than playing longer odds with a longer wait time on ROI.

Three Devin Vessel's do not equal one Trae Young for those who might advocated that getting three solid starters is better than one star.

This is an excellent point that you make and I do agree on principle. My issue is really more with Trae and how his play style translates with regards to maximizing the team and translating to the post-season. From what I've seen with Trae, he seems like he excels in the two man game and he would definitely turn the spurs into lob city with the easy buckets he can get Wemby. But my impression of him is that he's had a lot of struggles playing off-ball and you're basically buying into a heliocentric offense with him on your team. I don't know if you're giving Wemby or the rest of the team an opportunity to grow much with Trae's play style. His shooting percentages fall off a cliff in the playoffs and he can get hunted pretty relentlessly due to his size. None of this matters much in the regular season, I think with the right team around him and Wemby he turns the Spurs into a 55 win regular season juggernaut season after season but for a guy with as many weaknesses as he does it's a high price to pay for the (at least) 3, more likely 5 draft picks. You're basically committing to Trae and Wemby as your core for the next 5 years plus. I think I'd feel a lot better about it if I didn't see such a dramatic drop-off in the playoffs.

Again, I do agree with you that 3 Devin Vassells do not equal 1 Trae Young, and from an expected value standpoint Trae is worth more than 2 unprotected Atlanta picks and their swap, I just think that 1) it'll take more than those 3 picks to get it done and 2) I don't know if Trae is that guy to be going all in with.

[Kevin]

This is an excellent point that you make and I do agree on principle. My issue is really more with Trae and how his play style translates with regards to maximizing the team and translating to the post-season. From what I've seen with Trae, he seems like he excels in the two man game and he would definitely turn the spurs into lob city with the easy buckets he can get Wemby. But my impression of him is that he's had a lot of struggles playing off-ball and you're basically buying into a heliocentric offense with him on your team. I don't know if you're giving Wemby or the rest of the team an opportunity to grow much with Trae's play style. His shooting percentages fall off a cliff in the playoffs and he can get hunted pretty relentlessly due to his size. None of this matters much in the regular season, I think with the right team around him and Wemby he turns the Spurs into a 55 win regular season juggernaut season after season but for a guy with as many weaknesses as he does it's a high price to pay for the (at least) 3, more likely 5 draft picks. You're basically committing to Trae and Wemby as your core for the next 5 years plus. I think I'd feel a lot better about it if I didn't see such a dramatic drop-off in the playoffs.

Again, I do agree with you that 3 Devin Vassells do not equal 1 Trae Young, and from an expected value standpoint Trae is worth more than 2 unprotected Atlanta picks and their swap, I just think that 1) it'll take more than those 3 picks to get it done and 2) I don't know if Trae is that guy to be going all in with.

We've never seen Young with another star player. If I was Wright I'd be willing to see what it looks like. Besides who else is realistically available?

[baseline bum]

We've never seen Young with another star player. If I was Wright I'd be willing to see what it looks like. Besides who else is realistically available?

God would I love to get Young and Risacher this summer to put some elite shooting around Victor. Dude's 25 too, would fit Victor's timeline about as well as any star the team would have any shot at.

[SPURt]

God would I love to get Young and Risacher this summer to put some elite shooting around Victor. Dude's 25 too, would fit Victor's timeline about as well as any star the team would have any shot at.
Yes please

[tbdog]

If trea was available, I don't think it happens this deadline. Damn the fit makes sense though.

[spurraider21]

I think we can probably find a conscienceless gunner who shoots 35% from three and who will keep the ball away from Victor with one of those picks.
You really think Young is just Devonte Graham with a green light, don’t you

[exstatic]

You really think Young is just Devonte Graham with a green light, don’t you

Probably hyperbole, but I don’t think he’s what all of you think, either, otherwise why is ATL 18-24 without significant injury to this point? I maybe a hater, but I think all of you have 2” beer goggles on. I think it will be interesting to see how they do in this stretch with him out indefinitely in concussion protocols.

[Dejounte]

Rumor Is Reaves Is Being Traded Between Today And The Next Lakers Game

[Dejounte]

If Reaves Can Somehow Be Routed To The Spurs I Wouldn’t Hate It. Give Up Some First Round Picks If Needed. He’s On A Damn Good Contract And He Has The Shot Creation Creativity This Team Sorely Needs.

[HankChinaski]

Isn't he as terrible as Branham or Mcbuckets on defense though?

[Dejounte]

Isn't he as terrible as Branham or Mcbuckets on defense though?

He Is, But This Team Needs Incremental Improvements Whenever And Wherever It Can Find Any. Jumping From A (Currently) Non-Player In Branham To Reaves Would Be Big For The Team. And I’m Not Sure I Ever See Branham Becoming Reaves-Good Ever.

[Dejounte]

The Energy And Heart Is Missing From Branham Tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

I hope we can at least get 1 capable role player instead of just a bunch of 2nd round picks. Reaves wouldn't be a bad addition

[$pursDynasty]

I've read that the Pelicans might be willing to part with Herb Jones for the right price. I'd be willing to give up the Toronto pick for him. Anyone we pick in the 7 - 13 range probably wouldn't be as good as Jones is now and would probably be a bit of project any way. Jones is a finished product who would fit in perfectly for the spurs either as a starter or off the bench. Just a thought.
If this is so, the Spurs would be wise to trade one of those highly protected FRP's (and a couple of 2's) for him. He is a Spurs type player, elite defensively and with an incredibly high bball IQ. He is the type of player you want around Wemby and the young Spurs as opposed to some who might bring a lockerroom cancer into SA. The Spurs picking up Herb and DJM this season would be great. Sure it hurts our own draft pick but who is better than them that we can draft in this weaker draft this year??? Our team defense would vastly improve and Herb wouldn't be taking any shots from Wemby. DJM would but the Spurs need someone to take end of games shots for the team, because right now they don't have anyone to do it.

[manufan10]

Insider Names 4 Potential Trade Candidates For Lakershttps://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2e3a41494f5f6aa3c95c3196325802ad?s=50&d=mm&r=g (https://www.lakersnews.com/author/brandonmarcus/)By Brandon Marcus (https://www.lakersnews.com/author/brandonmarcus/) January 22, 2024 @BranOnTheBall (https://twitter.com/BranOnTheBall)
https://www.lakersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/GettyImages-1875763525-scaled.jpg(Photo by Jayne Kamin-Oncea/Getty Images)
Most people agree that the Los Angeles Lakers will settle on some sort of trade before the upcoming NBA deadline, but no one is sure which direction they will take.
Speaking on Run It Back Monday morning, Shams Charania gave insight on who the Lakers are currently looking at.
“The Lakers are doing their due diligence. Dejounte Murray, Bruce Brown Jr., Tyus Jones, Terry Rozier, I’m told those are names to keep an eye on,” Charania said.
However, Charania’s statement makes it clear that one trade is currently more likely than the others.

"Charania said that the Lakers and Atlanta Hawks have held extensive discussions about sending Murray to LA.
Any potential package has centered around D’Angelo Russell, although the Hawks are hoping to get a third team involved because they don’t need his point guard expertise since their backcourt is run by Trae Young."


https://www.lakersnews.com/insider-names-4-potential-trade-candidates-for-lakers/

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[Kevin]

No to Reaves because he will cost one unprotected first round pick given his age and team friendly contact. Unprotected first rounders can only be traded for proven star players which Reaves is not. If the cost falls below an unprotected first then yeah go get him.

[BacktoBasics]

No to Reaves because he will cost one unprotected first round pick given his age and team friendly contact. Unprotected first rounders can only be traded for proven star players which Reaves is not. If the cost falls below an unprotected first then yeah go get him.

So ST went from wanting to offer this guy north of 80 million to him not being worth a 1st round pick.

I personally feel he's worth the Toronto pick. He had a rough start of the season but he's looked good and can start or come off the bench. He'd fit well here.

[Mr. Body]

Reaves is just John Collins, SpursTalk's latest undeserving obsession.

[Mr. Body]

Insider Names 4 Potential Trade Candidates For Lakershttps://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2e3a41494f5f6aa3c95c3196325802ad?s=50&d=mm&r=g (https://www.lakersnews.com/author/brandonmarcus/)By Brandon Marcus (https://www.lakersnews.com/author/brandonmarcus/) January 22, 2024 @BranOnTheBall (https://twitter.com/BranOnTheBall)
https://www.lakersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/GettyImages-1875763525-scaled.jpg(Photo by Jayne Kamin-Oncea/Getty Images)
Most people agree that the Los Angeles Lakers will settle on some sort of trade before the upcoming NBA deadline, but no one is sure which direction they will take.
Speaking on Run It Back Monday morning, Shams Charania gave insight on who the Lakers are currently looking at.
“The Lakers are doing their due diligence. Dejounte Murray, Bruce Brown Jr., Tyus Jones, Terry Rozier, I’m told those are names to keep an eye on,” Charania said.
However, Charania’s statement makes it clear that one trade is currently more likely than the others.

"Charania said that the Lakers and Atlanta Hawks have held extensive discussions about sending Murray to LA.
Any potential package has centered around D’Angelo Russell, although the Hawks are hoping to get a third team involved because they don’t need his point guard expertise since their backcourt is run by Trae Young."


https://www.lakersnews.com/insider-names-4-potential-trade-candidates-for-lakers/

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Lakers can't get any of those players. They have next to nothing to offer.

[buttsR4rebounding]

He’s not coming here as a reroute. If he is being traded it is likely to Atlanta for Murray.

[manufan10]

Lakers can't get any of those players. They have next to nothing to offer.

Shams says in the video that he expects the Hawks and Lakers to start talks up again closer to the deadline. Hawks are trying to find a third team to take D'Angelo Russell.

[Mr. Body]

Shams says in the video that he expects the Hawks and Lakers to start talks up again closer to the deadline. Hawks are trying to find a third team to take D'Angelo Russell.

We already know this, it's not really news, and no one wants Russell.

[BacktoBasics]

Russell used to be empty stats now he’s just a contract.

[Kevin]

So ST went from wanting to offer this guy north of 80 million to him not being worth a 1st round pick.

I personally feel he's worth the Toronto pick. He had a rough start of the season but he's looked good and can start or come off the bench. He'd fit well here.

I'd trade him for the Raps pick in a heartbeat. Lakers wont tho. Great contract even if he has regressed this season.

[szkorhetz]

If the Hawks are really wanting to reroute DLo to a third team, I would welcome him for expirings and 2nd rounders.

[baseline bum]

If Reaves Can Somehow Be Routed To The Spurs I Wouldn’t Hate It. Give Up Some First Round Picks If Needed. He’s On A Damn Good Contract And He Has The Shot Creation Creativity This Team Sorely Needs.

I mean if it's for the Charlotte first ok. Otherwise meh he's just someone who had a big contract year but came back down to earth after getting paid. Now he's back to being a crap defender with an okayish three point shot as opposed to being the elite defender shooting threes at a 40% clip he was last season while playing for his contract. Lakers really should move Reaves for Murray, then Davis for a deal like Brooklyn got out of Phoenix for Durant, and then see if the Heat will give them Jaquez and a first for LeBron.

[baseline bum]

Isn't he as terrible as Branham or Mcbuckets on defense though?

Reaves is bad defensively but not even close to Branham. Branham literally lets his man shoot 57% against him like he was guarding 99-00 MVP Shaq every night.

[Mr. Body]

Reaves is a worse defender than Branham.

[SpurSpike]

Saw an article that suggested Spurs should sign John wall to a vet minimum. He may be injury prone and lost a step but he should still be able to assist at a high level and may work well with Wemby. Just throwing that out there, lol.

[baseline bum]

Saw an article that suggested Spurs should sign John wall to a vet minimum. He may be injury prone and lost a step but he should still be able to assist at a high level and may work well with Wemby. Just throwing that out there, lol.

Tre has been pretty solid since getting the starting job. Wall seems like someone who'd pout playing off the bench for a 15-20 win team.

[The Truth #6]

Lol at Lakers "due diligence". Thinking they can always get what they want without putting in the work. A perfect symbol for American Exceptionalism.

[The Truth #6]

Reaves is just John Collins, SpursTalk's latest undeserving obsession.

But Austin is still relatively new to the NBA and not cancerous. Also playing in the shadow of LeBron, and always with the potential of being traded, I imagine can take a toll and probably has this year since they're not doing as well.

But it's a non issue. He isn't coming here.

[spurraider21]

Reaves is just John Collins, SpursTalk's latest undeserving obsession.
you cant say shit like this when you defend branham :lol

[scott]

DLo + LAL '29 just doesn't make sense for ATL to send Murray to the Lakers. Seems like more of a journalist "what works in the trade machine" idea than an actual trade proposal. Sure, you'd like to find someone to take DLo, his contract isn't TOO terrible (he is in the first year of a 2/36), and he is a roughly net neutral player... but what an embarrassing return on DJM that would be for them.

[spurraider21]

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[Dejounte]

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If You Look At The Original Tweet, That Was A Clip From Two Weeks Ago. The Dream Remains Alive

[jjspur]

Right now the hot trade names are Murray and Reaves. Lets take a step back and think realistically. Yes, these guys are good and would improve the spurs right off the bat, but either one of these guys is going to cost a lot in players, picks or both. Like all teams, the lakers and Hawks want a lot for a smaller return.

How about we think about what we can get for just the Toronto pick. A first or second year player with upside that's still on a rookie contract. Seems better than paying for Murray who's making north of 20 million next season or Reaves who makes a reasonable salary but whom the lakers would want a small fortune for. Even in a so so draft, some team will be desperate for a draft pick especially one in the lottery range.

We won't get much for McNuggets or Cedi if we can trade them at all, but the Toronto pick looks rather appealing. Make that available and lets see what pops up. We just might be surprised at what we can get. Makes you think twice before settling for over valued Murray and Reaves. Remember the Hawks and Lakers are dealing from a disadvantage point. Honestly some team will probably get fleeced when it comes to Murray or Reaves, I hope its just not the spurs.

[Kevin]

Right now the hot trade names are Murray and Reaves. Lets take a step back and think realistically. Yes, these guys are good and would improve the spurs right off the bat, but either one of these guys is going to cost a lot in players, picks or both. Like all teams, the lakers and Hawks want a lot for a smaller return.

How about we think about what we can get for just the Toronto pick. A first or second year player with upside that's still on a rookie contract. Seems better than paying for Murray who's making north of 20 million next season or Reaves who makes a reasonable salary but whom the lakers would want a small fortune for. Even in a so so draft, some team will be desperate for a draft pick especially one in the lottery range.

We won't get much for McNuggets or Cedi if we can trade them at all, but the Toronto pick looks rather appealing. Make that available and lets see what pops up. We just might be surprised at what we can get. Makes you think twice before settling for over valued Murray and Reaves. Remember the Hawks and Lakers are dealing from a disadvantage point. Honestly some team will probably get fleeced when it comes to Murray or Reaves, I hope its just not the spurs.

I don't expect any major buy moves this deadline. Trade away Mcdermott Osman and Graham for second rounders and keep the tank rolling. This summer will get very interesting. I personally think Trae Young will be a Spur by next year's trade deadline.

[Mr. Body]

Brogdan and Brown will likely be moved, too. Reaves won't.

The Spurs won't be buyers. They made this explicitly clear for the year.

[CGD]

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I mean Spurs could def facilitate on salaries by sending Graham to ATL (per trade machine), but how would they even begin to entice us? Deangelo is owed 18M next year.

[mo7888]

I mean Spurs could def facilitate on salaries by sending Graham to ATL (per trade machine), but how would they even begin to entice us? Deangelo is owed 18M next year.

It would probably have to be a situation where the FO wanted D'Lo because they think he's a fit alongside Wemby. I don't think we see it rhat way though...

[CGD]

It would probably have to be a situation where the FO wanted D'Lo because they think he's a fit alongside Wemby. I don't think we see it rhat way though...

That or ATL coughs up another distant pick swap?

I’d rather send our vets out for Lowery.

[DPG21920]

If all it costs is expiring deals + 1 first + 1 swap theres plenty of reason for SA to do the deal IMO. Now, would ATL trade him back to SA for that? I doubt it. They would probably rather lose the deal more than admit defeat in that way Im guessing.

But Spurs offering TOR pick + CHA pick likely beats that LA pick offer IMO. Even if they had to add in the CHI pick they could easily beat that Laker offer ***IF*** they so choose.

[Kevin]

That or ATL coughs up another distant pick swap?

I’d rather send our vets out for Lowery.

McDermott Graham and Osman for Lowery works salary wise but the Heat have almost no trade-able second rounder's to make it worth while for the Spurs. Too bad because that would be a good haul for the Heat if they cannot get a big fish for the Lowery expiring plus picks.

[spurraider21]

McDermott Graham and Osman for Lowery works salary wise but the Heat have almost no trade-able second rounder's to make it worth while for the Spurs. Too bad because that would be a good haul for the Heat if they cannot get a big fish for the Lowery expiring plus picks.
the spurs get the added benefit of not being on the hook for graham's marginal guarantee next offseason

i also really doubt anybody is calling to take mcdermott/graham and i cant really think of a contender/pretender team that would even send a future SRP for osman to be at the end of their rotation. so maybe holding out for a pick for that trio isnt the move. better to just consolidate, make room to give barlow a bassey-champagnie like deal, and be off the hook for 2.5 mil next summer

the only way imo that the spurs will get an asset for these 3 guys is if we agree to take on a worse contract that extends beyond this season

[timtonymanu]

lol but I thought the lakers had the best offseason according to their suckers. I guess more had to be done than reupping McLovin.

[spurraider21]

lol but I thought the lakers had the best offseason according to their suckers. I guess more had to be done than reupping McLovin.
not that he's a gamebreaker but they've also beem bamboozled by gabe vincent

[Mr. Body]

lol but I thought the lakers had the best offseason according to their suckers. I guess more had to be done than reupping McLovin.

They were hype on Jason Hayes and Cam Reddish. Should a kept Lonnie at least.

[Seventyniner]

I don't think there is any way the Spurs get Dejounte without giving up at least one of the three main assets they got from the Hawks (2025/2027 firsts, 2026 swap).

I also don't think there is any way the Spurs get Trae without giving up at least two of those.

As to whether the Spurs want either of those players, or if the Hawks would be willing to make any deal with the Spurs that doesn't involve all three assets coming back, remains to be seen.

[DPG21920]

I don't think there is any way the Spurs get Dejounte without giving up at least one of the three main assets they got from the Hawks (2025/2027 firsts, 2026 swap).

I also don't think there is any way the Spurs get Trae without giving up at least two of those.

As to whether the Spurs want either of those players, or if the Hawks would be willing to make any deal with the Spurs that doesn't involve all three assets coming back, remains to be seen.

I mean, if they deal with SA they are not getting those picks right? Would the LA pick be unprotected? Would it be better than pick 7 or 8 guaranteed (the TOR pick from SA)? I agree with you in terms of emotionally where ATL is at, but in reality I dont know that it would take one of their picks back (but it probably would to get them to say yes and eat the embarrassment)

[dbestpro]

Crazy rumors.

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-rumor-san-antonio-spurs-interested-in-golden-state-warriors-chris-paul-trade-deal/

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-trade-rumors-boston-celtics-in-trade-deal-talks-to-acquire-cedi-osman-from-san-antonio-spurs-for-stronger-bench-lineup/

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-trade-news-san-antonio-spurs-donovan-mitchell-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-deal-on-the-move-multiple-draft-picks-in-the-mix/

[BacktoBasics]

If we’re fully throwing shit on the wall.

Give ATL all their picks back and our pick this year for both DJ and Trae. Reroute DJ to LA for Reeves and Vanderbilt.

[BacktoBasics]

Crazy rumors.

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-rumor-san-antonio-spurs-interested-in-golden-state-warriors-chris-paul-trade-deal/

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-trade-rumors-boston-celtics-in-trade-deal-talks-to-acquire-cedi-osman-from-san-antonio-spurs-for-stronger-bench-lineup/

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-trade-news-san-antonio-spurs-donovan-mitchell-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-deal-on-the-move-multiple-draft-picks-in-the-mix/

I don’t think Mitchell resigns here.

[spurraider21]

Crazy rumors.

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-rumor-san-antonio-spurs-interested-in-golden-state-warriors-chris-paul-trade-deal/

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-trade-rumors-boston-celtics-in-trade-deal-talks-to-acquire-cedi-osman-from-san-antonio-spurs-for-stronger-bench-lineup/

https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-trade-news-san-antonio-spurs-donovan-mitchell-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-deal-on-the-move-multiple-draft-picks-in-the-mix/
i think we have established that hiptoro is just tspence

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1749556399040823642?s=46

[Dejounte]

Rozier To Miami For a FRP And Kyle Lowry

[Dejounte]

Miami Out Of The Murray Sweepstakes Tbh

[spurraider21]

Rozier has actually been quite good this year. Charlotte able to cash out as a result. Not that he’s as good but this is why we should have tried showcasing Graham ahead of the deadline.

[spurraider21]

This on the heels of Clifford saying mark williams not close to returning, having had setbacks to his back injury. He’s doing even less work on the court than he was weeks ago, etc

Charlotte fully embracing the tank

[LeBowen]

Tbh, one more deadline of we like what we have. :pop:

Just get a few second-rounders for McDermott and Osman, it's not like they're useful here.

[exstatic]

This on the heels of Clifford saying mark williams not close to returning, having had setbacks to his back injury. He’s doing even less work on the court than he was weeks ago, etc

Charlotte fully embracing the tank

Atlanta likely to follow.

[CGD]

Rozier To Miami For a FRP And Kyle Lowry

That is a damn good fit for Miami. I'm always amazed at how they are able to pull rabbits out of hat lol.

[jjspur]

That is a damn good fit for Miami. I'm always amazed at how they are able to pull rabbits out of hat lol.

Is Spoelstra also a GM because that is a damn good haul for a just about washed up Lowry. My guess there is a buyout coming with Lowry signing with the Lakers or some other team for the minimum.

[exstatic]

Is Spoelstra also a GM because that is a damn good haul for a just about washed up Lowry. My guess there is a buyout coming with Lowry signing with the Lakers or some other team for the minimum.

Charlotte, in spite of their impending 3d straight lottery trip, had a payroll on $194M next year. They just cut that by $24M by offloading Rozier’s deal, and taking the ending contract of Lowry, with a FRP to boot.

[RC_Drunkford]

Is Spoelstra also a GM because that is a damn good haul for a just about washed up Lowry. My guess there is a buyout coming with Lowry signing with the Lakers or some other team for the minimum.

not really, if the Heat pick doesn't convert in 27 it's unprotected in 28

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Charlotte, in spite of their impending 3d straight lottery trip, had a payroll on $194M next year. They just cut that by $24M by offloading Rozier’s deal, and taking the ending contract of Lowry, with a FRP to boot.

Their cap is way cleaner, not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Perhaps you meant Miami?

Getting a 1st of any kind for Rozier is a good deal anyway. They'll tank so hard next season.

[exstatic]

Their cap is way cleaner, not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Perhaps you meant Miami?

Getting a 1st of any kind for Rozier is a good deal anyway. They'll tank so hard next season.

It is currently clean, at $141M, but next year, which I referenced and is pertinent to the reason they traded for Lowry’s ending contract, is $194M,according to spotrac. They also save money the following year on Rozier’s partial guarantee for25-26.

I fat fingered had and has, which may have caused some confusion.

[DPG21920]

Their cap is way cleaner, not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Perhaps you meant Miami?

Getting a 1st of any kind for Rozier is a good deal anyway. They'll tank so hard next season.

How many more freaking years can they tank lol? I mean, damn! I mean I agree, especially because they owe SA a pick if they dont tank so they have incentive. Lost Rozier, will lose Bridges…

Wonder if they are flirting with losing LaMelo with this game however?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It is currently clean, at $141M, but next year, which I referenced and is pertinent to the reason they traded for Lowry’s ending contract, is $194M,according to spotrac. They also save money the following year on Rozier’s partial guarantee for25-26.

I fat fingered had and has, which may have caused some confusion.

Eh no, this is wrong, perhaps you're counting Hayward's gigantic cap hold and stuff. They have less than $90 mil on the cap for next season. They'll even have a max slot, not that it makes any difference for a team like Charlotte.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

How many more freaking years can they tank lol?

Until they draft someone like Wemby. Oh wait.. :lol


I mean, damn! I mean I agree, especially because they owe SA a pick if they dont tank so they have incentive. Lost Rozier, will lose Bridges…

Don't think they care too much about that pick if they're able to get to the playoffs, but they're very far away from it. It's not like it's unprotected, they'd probably rather be a playoff team and send us the 18th pick than to be where they are.


Wonder if they are flirting with losing LaMelo with this game however?

Possibly, who knows, but they'll probably try to reset and build around him one more time. He doesn't strike me as someone who's super competitive or ambitious for titles, so he might be OK with it, for a few years at least.

[Mr. Body]

Charlotte should try to be competitive next year, and I expect they will be, but are a step or two away from the playoffs. They just have to be much better, and not make the play-in, and they keep the pick. No tanking necessary.

[spurraider21]

Charlotte, in spite of their impending 3d straight lottery trip, had a payroll on $194M next year. They just cut that by $24M by offloading Rozier’s deal, and taking the ending contract of Lowry, with a FRP to boot.
where are you getting that? that may have been inclusive of cap holds, players they had no interest in bringing back, like 47m to hayward

[scott]

Lowry a great example of the kind of overpriced goods you get in Free Agency. His 3/$85 deal didn't take long to look horrible.

[exstatic]

where are you getting that? that may have been inclusive of cap holds, players they had no interest in bringing back, like 47m to hayward

Spotrac, ,and they maybe countingholds.

[jjspur]

Lowry a great example of the kind of overpriced goods you get in Free Agency. His 3/$85 deal didn't take long to look horrible.

Yeah, buyers remorse. At least they were smart enough to cut their losses, and get something for the troubles.

[SpurSpike]

Charlotte should try to be competitive next year, and I expect they will be, but are a step or two away from the playoffs. They just have to be much better, and not make the play-in, and they keep the pick. No tanking necessary.

Doesn't look like it... But they have a bunch of decent players to trade perhaps this influx of available players saturates the market and lowers DJ's value a bit? Washington is also having a fire sale with the only untouchable being Bilal.

“The Hornets are planning to build around young players LaMelo Ball and rookie Brandon Miller and gather up draft assets and young players in potential deals.”A fire sale has officially begun in Charlotte.

[scott]

Remaining CHA pieces that MIGHT be useful to a playoff team:

Bridges (if anyone will deal with the drama)
Hayward
PJ Washington
Cody Martin (if healthy)

WAS trade pieces for a playoff team if they are fire-selling:

Jones
Advija
Wright
Shamet
Kuzma
Kispert

I assume Bagley can't be traded again?

[exstatic]

Doesn't look like it... But they have a bunch of decent players to trade perhaps this influx of available players saturates the market and lowers DJ's value a bit? Washington is also having a fire sale with the only untouchable being Bilal.

“The Hornets are planning to build around young players LaMelo Ball and rookie Brandon Miller and gather up draft assets and young players in potential deals.”A fire sale has officially begun in Charlotte.

I think if this is legit, the fire sale will eventually include LaMelo. He can’t want to lose this much. If they tank Next year, too, that will be four straight lottery appearances.

[Mr. Body]

One, if they can manage to get Mark Williams to play, their floor goes up quite a bit. Probably still need pieces.

Two, I don't even know if teams want LaMello. He's hurt all the time. When he's not hurt, he'll win a game all by himself here or there, otherwise he's not a teachable player, won't learn a system, and just won't be a beneficial player in the long run. What team wants that?

Three, I don't even think he cares about winning that much.

[spurraider21]

Remaining CHA pieces that MIGHT be useful to a playoff team:

Bridges (if anyone will deal with the drama)
Hayward
PJ Washington
Cody Martin (if healthy)

WAS trade pieces for a playoff team if they are fire-selling:

Jones
Advija
Wright
Shamet
Kuzma
Kispert

I assume Bagley can't be traded again?
bridges has a no trade clause as well. hes been quite good this year though

[exstatic]

bridges has a no trade clause as well. hes been quite good this year though

I think he signed his year 5 QO, making him untradeable without his consent. It’s considered a one year contract. He is playing quite well, and when you sign the year 5 QO, you are unrestricted afterwards.

[jjspur]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have 2 first rounders and a couple of seconds in the 24 draft. We won't be able to use all those picks. How about using the Toronto pick and a few of the seconds, plus whatever we can get for McNuggets and Cedi for some of the Washington or Charlotte talent if they are having a fire sale. PJ Washington, Avdija, Kispert seem like useful players the spurs could acquire without spending a bundle, plus they are still fairly young. Where there is smoke there may be a fire sale. Do it spurs. After last nights beating, we really need to do something.

[Chinook]

The Spurs will be able to use two top 10 picks. There are like 3-5 players on the roster who wouldn't be an insta-cut if the alternative for bypassing the Raptors pick. I have that as just as important as ATL 25 given its value and immediacy. That said, if the Charlotte pick could get PJ, the Spurs should be on that shit. The Spurs lack a swing big who can both play with and be an alternative to Collins.

[Dejounte]

The Spurs will be able to use two top 10 picks. There are like 3-5 players on the roster who wouldn't be an insta-cut if the alternative for bypassing the Raptors pick. I have that as just as important as ATL 25 given its value and immediacy. That said, if the Charlotte pick could get PJ, the Spurs should be on that shit.

PJ, Another Undersized Center? No Thanks

[Chinook]

PJ, Another Undersized Center? No Thanks

Washington is a PF. He's played the vast majority of his minutes there. Ideally, he only plays C in certain small-ball situations. He's had to play more since Mark Williams got hurt. He'd probably be the best fit with Wemby on the team.

[baseline bum]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have 2 first rounders and a couple of seconds in the 24 draft. We won't be able to use all those picks. How about using the Toronto pick and a few of the seconds, plus whatever we can get for McNuggets and Cedi for some of the Washington or Charlotte talent if they are having a fire sale. PJ Washington, Avdija, Kispert seem like useful players the spurs could acquire without spending a bundle, plus they are still fairly young. Where there is smoke there may be a fire sale. Do it spurs. After last nights beating, we really need to do something.

No one realistically available on either team I'd rather have than the Toronto pick. Spurs need a couple of starters, not to be blowing assets on replacements for Collins and Branham.

[spurraider21]

The Spurs will be able to use two top 10 picks. There are like 3-5 players on the roster who wouldn't be an insta-cut if the alternative for bypassing the Raptors pick. I have that as just as important as ATL 25 given its value and immediacy. That said, if the Charlotte pick could get PJ, the Spurs should be on that shit. The Spurs lack a swing big who can both play with and be an alternative to Collins.
im confused. you think PJ Washington, a 6'7 forward, is a swing big who could be an alternative to collins? he seems much more like a sochan alternative

[Chinook]

im confused. you think PJ Washington, a 6'7 forward, is a swing big who could be an alternative to cllins?

Yes. Do I think that's plan A on a contender? No. Do I think it's a smart move to make to get Washington on the roster before the off-season for what's basically a couple of seconds? Yes. As Wemby gets more minutes, it'll be more important than ever for the third front-court player to be able to play next to Wemby. Washington can do that. He can also play C for some minutes, though he shouldn't just be the backup there. I would expect all three of Wemby, Collins and Wash to play this year amd and for the Spurs to be open to using PJ's and/or Zach's contracts in more substantial trades in the summer.

[scott]

Normally you might be able to send CHA their pick back for a player on the premise that it frees CHA up to trade some picks, but I doubt CHA cares since they won't be buyers in the near future.

[TD 21]

Sensible trade from both teams that doesn't really change anything as far as the protected 1st the Spurs have from the Hornets, but also another reminder that these protected picks sound nice in theory, but could easily end up having minimal value in the end.

A team with a generational prospect shouldn't be too precious with them.

As for Washington, I wouldn't bother burning assets on him. Despite his mammoth 7'3'' wingspan, he can't rebound and isn't stout enough to jostle with behemoth C's.

[spurraider21]

Sensible trade from both teams that doesn't really change anything as far as the protected 1st the Spurs have from the Hornets, but also another reminder that these protected picks sound nice in theory, but could easily end up having minimal value in the end.

A team with a generational prospect shouldn't be too precious with them.

As for Washington, I wouldn't bother burning assets on him. Despite his mammoth 7'3'' wingspan, he can't rebound and isn't stout enough to jostle with behemoth C's.
really? he's far from perfect, but losing rozier for nothing makes it less likely that they make noise next year

i say "for nothing" in that they didnt receive anything that will help them next year. lowry is obviously gone and the FRP is in the future

[mo7888]

Normally you might be able to send CHA their pick back for a player on the premise that it frees CHA up to trade some picks, but I doubt CHA cares since they won't be buyers in the near future.

They need to be prepared to be buyers or the risk LaMelo asking out and all the ramifications of that. It would be a smart move.

[TD 21]

really? he's far from perfect, but losing rozier for nothing makes it less likely that they make noise next year

i say "for nothing" in that they didnt receive anything that will help them next year. lowry is obviously gone and the FRP is in the future

Sure, but the odds were always slim and I figured they'd head in this (logical) direction anyway.

[DPG21920]

Yes. Do I think that's plan A on a contender? No. Do I think it's a smart move to make to get Washington on the roster before the off-season for what's basically a couple of seconds? Yes. As Wemby gets more minutes, it'll be more important than ever for the third front-court player to be able to play next to Wemby. Washington can do that. He can also play C for some minutes, though he shouldn't just be the backup there. I would expect all three of Wemby, Collins and Wash to play this year amd and for the Spurs to be open to using PJ's and/or Zach's contracts in more substantial trades in the summer.

100% agree. It’s a no brainer, if CHA valued resetting their cap and getting full control over their pick back, to trade CHA that pick back for PJ. Not even close. PJ has more value than 2 seconds in isolation but double so for SA who needs top 8 roster upgrades, shooting and who have plenty of picks to spare.

[exstatic]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have 2 first rounders and a couple of seconds in the 24 draft. We won't be able to use all those picks. How about using the Toronto pick and a few of the seconds, plus whatever we can get for McNuggets and Cedi for some of the Washington or Charlotte talent if they are having a fire sale. PJ Washington, Avdija, Kispert seem like useful players the spurs could acquire without spending a bundle, plus they are still fairly young. Where there is smoke there may be a fire sale. Do it spurs. After last nights beating, we really need to do something.

We MAY have two FRPs if TOR doesn’t draw into the top 6 in the lottery. I’m reluctant to spend assets on other team’s mid former FRPs that will have to be paid. Even if we don’t hit the jackpot on some of these picks, they are value contracts under team control for about 4 years.

[DPG21920]

Normally you might be able to send CHA their pick back for a player on the premise that it frees CHA up to trade some picks, but I doubt CHA cares since they won't be buyers in the near future.

Im not so sure. Everything they have done (Terry move possible aside as a deviation?) shows they have kind of preferred getting to playoffs. Im not so sure they will want to fully bottom out and they cant even if they wanted to with LaMelo+Miller+Williams. It seems more like a re-tooling while having all avenues open (picks to use/trade)

[DPG21920]

really? he's far from perfect, but losing rozier for nothing makes it less likely that they make noise next year

i say "for nothing" in that they didnt receive anything that will help them next year. lowry is obviously gone and the FRP is in the future

Agree right now and they are 99% likely trading Bridges or losing him in FA in off season. But im guessing those picks will be used not all to draft but trade for help and build a more cohesive roster around LaMelo/Williams/Miller.

[exstatic]

Agree right now and they are 99% likely trading Bridges or losing him in FA in off season. But im guessing those picks will be used not all to draft but trade for help and build a more cohesive roster around LaMelo/Williams/Miller.

They can’t trade Bridges unless he wants to go. Because of the drama that surrounded him the last year or so, he signed his year 5 QO, making him bothuntradeable without his consent, and an unrestricted FA this summer. I don’t think he’s really in their plans, otherwise they would have worked to avoid this situation.

[DPG21920]

They can’t trade Bridges unless he wants to go. Because of the drama that surrounded him the last year or so, he signed his year 5 QO, making him bothuntradeable without his consent, and an unrestricted FA this summer. I don’t think he’s really in their plans, otherwise they would have worked to avoid this situation.

He will be totally fine going to the teams linked to him IMO

[scott]

Im not so sure. Everything they have done (Terry move possible aside as a deviation?) shows they have kind of preferred getting to playoffs. Im not so sure they will want to fully bottom out and they cant even if they wanted to with LaMelo+Miller+Williams. It seems more like a re-tooling while having all avenues open (picks to use/trade)

What have they done to indicate this? They made their draft picks, welcomed Bridges back on his QO to try and rehab him, resigned a couple of their role players and added Ish Smith and Frank Ntilikina. These don't indicate any push to the playoffs anymore than the Spurs draft Wemby, resigning Collins, and bringing in Cedi Osman do.

[DPG21920]

What have they done to indicate this? They made their draft picks, welcomed Bridges back on his QO to try and rehab him, resigned a couple of their role players and added Ish Smith and Frank Ntilikina. These don't indicate any push to the playoffs anymore than the Spurs draft Wemby, resigning Collins, and bringing in Cedi Osman do.

Bringing back Bridges was pretty key IMO. If they wanted to tank, they had every reason especially with his crimes, to let him go and tank justifiably. He clearly helps them win and they took him back despite backlash. That speaks volumes to me and I dont think it was just to rehab value which is going to be meh regardless due to his baggage.

[scott]

Bringing back Bridges was pretty key IMO. If they wanted to tank, they had every reason especially with his crimes, to let him go and tank justifiably. He clearly helps them win and they took him back despite backlash. That speaks volumes to me and I dont think it was just to rehab value which is going to be meh regardless due to his baggage.

They've gone from a .329 win % last year to .244 this year, so clearly not.

[DPG21920]

They've gone from a .329 win % last year to .244 this year, so clearly not.

Im talking about the mentality lol. Theres zero chance you or anyone there thinks adding him to the team makes them worse as some stealth tank

[scott]

Im talking about the mentality lol. Theres zero chance you or anyone there thinks adding him to the team makes them worse as some stealth tank

I'd say it would be about the same as if Keldon was out for the year and then came back. Yeah, he'd be one of our best players, but I wouldn't say his coming back would represent some kind of push for the playoffs.

[spurraider21]

Yes. Do I think that's plan A on a contender? No. Do I think it's a smart move to make to get Washington on the roster before the off-season for what's basically a couple of seconds? Yes. As Wemby gets more minutes, it'll be more important than ever for the third front-court player to be able to play next to Wemby. Washington can do that. He can also play C for some minutes, though he shouldn't just be the backup there. I would expect all three of Wemby, Collins and Wash to play this year amd and for the Spurs to be open to using PJ's and/or Zach's contracts in more substantial trades in the summer.
yeah i definitely just see him as a PF. and as we've seen, the spurs dont really have an NBA caliber PF right now aside from Sochan (we went into this season thinking wemby would be a PF). and i agree, id send back the charlotte FRP for him at this point, given their outlook for next year.

i still want the spurs to find a PF with better size though. i dont want sochan to be the biggest 4 we have. (yes i know mamu exists, but tbh he's basically unplayable and wont be back next year anyway). barlow/collins havent proven that they can coexist alongside wemby as the nominal 4

[exstatic]

PJ is 6’7”, and his 3 point shooting has worsened over the last 3 seasons, and now sits at 32%. Hard pass.

[RC_Drunkford]

PJ is 6’7”, and his 3 point shooting has worsened over the last 3 seasons, and now sits at 32%. Hard pass.

let‘s get Jalen Smith :lol

[DPG21920]

PJ is 6’7”, and his 3 point shooting has worsened over the last 3 seasons, and now sits at 32%. Hard pass.

You aren’t going to get some all star for that CHA pick so while Im not clamoring for PJ as some stud, I do think its a good value and risk/reward is all. But if SA has better plans for a better player in free agency for their projected 18M in cap space? Then no reason to do that deal.

[spurraider21]

let‘s get Jalen Smith :lol
leads the NBA in 3pt%

[RC_Drunkford]

leads the NBA in 3pt%

on 2 attempts per game. I could care less

[scott]

it doesn't take much of a player to surpass the value of the CHA pick at this point. Especially considering we won't have room on the roster for SRPs over the next few years anyway, the range of players I'd accept for that CHA pick is as wide as the Grand Canyon

[Chinook]

I approached it by thinking that the CHA pick probably has the most value to the Hornets out of any team. Then I looked at that list of players potentially available and picked the one I thought made the most sense. PJ is on a declining contract with an easy-to-match salary. I see him as a resale candidate who'd fit well on the Spurs and could provide them a different look in the front court. But I'm not married to him.

As far was the Wizards are concerned, I wonder if they are ready to sell on Johnny Davis for the Charlotte pick. Dude's been awful so far in the pros, but you've gotta think he can figure it out better than he has, right? To answer scott 's question, Bagley can be traded again so long as the Wziards aren't aggregating his salary to match another contract. I still hold a candle for Marvin, and he's legit had stretches of surprisingly good play. Like the previous early bust named Marvin, Bagley might be able to work himself into a decent player before it's all said and done.

[Knoxxx]

I like Sochan better at SF. PF for him and us is a “small ball” lineup to me.

[Knoxxx]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-trade-news-san-antonio-spurs-donovan-mitchell-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-deal-on-the-move-multiple-draft-picks-in-the-mix/ar-BB1h5sas

Fake Donovan Mitchell to Spurs trade rumor?

[RC_Drunkford]

yes according to this site we also want to trade for Lonzo Ball and LeBron James. And all their writers are from India :lol

[scott]

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I don't know how they calculate this, but seems pretty good.

[baseline bum]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-trade-news-san-antonio-spurs-donovan-mitchell-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-deal-on-the-move-multiple-draft-picks-in-the-mix/ar-BB1h5sas

Fake Donovan Mitchell to Spurs trade rumor?


The San Antonio Spurs trade for Donovan Mitchell of the Cleveland Cavaliers might go through in the coming days. The SA Spurs landed Victor Wembanyama via the lottery system in the summer, and they are currently building their roster around him.

It is obvious that they to struggle this season, but after landing such a star youngster, they would be looking forward to fastening up the rebuild. They have some stars on their radar, and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Donovan Mitchell is one of them. Can they manage to add him to their roster?

Reads like it was written by the Microsoft answer to ChatGPT

[vy65]

Reads like it was written by the Microsoft answer to ChatGPT

Same hiptoro website that had us landing Coy White

[vy65]

Assuming a WAS fire sale, how do we like Avdija’s fit? Could run him at the 4, Sochan at the 3, and Wemby the 5.

[tbdog]

In terms of on court related, I like pj for being a fairly productive professional. But if your thinking if this guy will be in your top 8 players in a playoff rotational, then I don't know. Lyle's is for kings, so maybe.

[poopbox]

I approached it by thinking that the CHA pick probably has the most value to the Hornets out of any team. Then I looked at that list of players potentially available and picked the one I thought made the most sense. PJ is on a declining contract with an easy-to-match salary. I see him as a resale candidate who'd fit well on the Spurs and could provide them a different look in the front court. But I'm not married to him.

As far was the Wizards are concerned, I wonder if they are ready to sell on Johnny Davis for the Charlotte pick. Dude's been awful so far in the pros, but you've gotta think he can figure it out better than he has, right? To answer scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) 's question, Bagley can be traded again so long as the Wziards aren't aggregating his salary to match another contract. I still hold a candle for Marvin, and he's legit had stretches of surprisingly good play. Like the previous early bust named Marvin, Bagley might be able to work himself into a decent player before it's all said and done.

Dude has literally been one of the worst players in the nba since being drafted and the spurs should be considering giving up a pick of any type for him?

[poopbox]

People in this thread getting they hopes up for a trade when all we doing is probably trading one of Doug or Osman for second round picks to a "contender":cry

Never change guys. Hope springs eternal :cry

[Mr. Body]

Man, Johnny Davis. That guy can't even get run on a tanking Wizards team trying to develop young players.

[tbdog]

Davis is proper bad. He couldn't score in the summer league.

[mo7888]

I still would like NSJ from Charlotte.

[BatManu20]

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

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IF the team is out and saying this then that means they have been turning down offers for less. Curious to see how this turns out over the next two weeks. They are obviously shopping him.

[Davidicus]

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I just dont see the market for that. What STARTING player out there is worth 2 FRPs less than DJM? I could be wrong though, we'll see if any team gets desperate or if ATL caves. Probably depends what they define as a FRP, if late ones are acceptable.

[exstatic]

You aren’t going to get some all star for that CHA pick so while Im not clamoring for PJ as some stud, I do think its a good value and risk/reward is all. But if SA has better plans for a better player in free agency for their projected 18M in cap space? Then no reason to do that deal.

If we’re going to spend picks, we can do better than PJ. It’s not a risk/reward situation. Like many FRPs, he started fast, but eventually got exposed over time. It’s only risk. I’d rather have his wife beating team mate. Bridges can play. Or, drop multiple picks for the other, non wife beating Bridges. There are players in the NBA who aren’t superstars, or even stars that can fucking play ball, and are obtainable for picks.

[baseline bum]

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Charlotte pick
Chicago pick
Zollins or Branham

Deal done

[Seventyniner]

Charlotte pick
Chicago pick
Zollins or Branham

Deal done

"Starting-level player" means someone who would start for them, not us.

[baseline bum]

"Starting-level player" means someone who would start for them, not us.

You give too much credit to the franchise that gave unprotected picks in the Cooper Flagg and Cameron Boozer drafts plus a third for a slightly above average starting PG.

[DPG21920]

If we’re going to spend picks, we can do better than PJ. It’s not a risk/reward situation. Like many FRPs, he started fast, but eventually got exposed over time. It’s only risk. I’d rather have his wife beating team mate. Bridges can play. Or, drop multiple picks for the other, non wife beating Bridges. There are players in the NBA who aren’t superstars, or even stars that can fucking play ball, and are obtainable for picks.

I mean 2 seconds is what we are likely talking about here….