Around the League / Regular Season Thread (Upstairs Version)

[scott]

Wait... does Jimmy own a coffee shop?

Butler to Spurs confirmed.

[dn0774]

As I said this summer, OKC is a perfect regular season machinery for grinding out regular season wins, but it still feels like they lack another creator for the playoffs.
Williams has made great progress, but he wasn't good enough of a second option last year. We'll see how it goes in these playoffs.
Opposition strategy will still be to shut down SGA and let others beat them, we'll see how it goes.

OKC is a juggernaut with an SRS of nearly 12, most of that missing Chet. They just reeled off 15 straight and finally drop a game on the road to another elite team and immediately get questioned. I'll take a bet on Jalen Williams being that guy for them this go around. He knows what the playoffs are like and will make the adjustments. Seeing Luka limping/scootering around the other day doesn't bode well for Dallas, OKC might be getting essentially a free pass to the finals this year at this rate. I can't imagine any team besides a healthy Dallas giving OKC any resistance in the west. The talent gap is just too large and I wouldn't be surprised if Presti taps into his draft pick war chest to bolster any possible weaknesses this season (ie Cam Johnson).

[scott]

Zion now suspended a game for being late to multiple practices and the team flight to PHI :lol

[LeBowen]

Zion now suspended a game for being late to multiple practices and the team flight to PHI :lol

They'll cut his ass in the summer, but there will still be a franchise dumb enough to offer him like 20 million a year.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1877851848557658276

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1877846827329860019

[ace3g]

https://x.com/PelicansNBA/status/1877824302155776138

[Kevin]

I like the Zion news. His price keeps dropping. He needs a change of scenery and a wake up call. Tempting but low candidate with generational natural talent. Two expiring’s (Barnes and Zollins) and two unprotected firsts might get you him this summer.

[LeBowen]

I like the Zion news. His price keeps dropping. He needs a change of scenery and a wake up call. Tempting but low candidate with generational natural talent. Two expiring’s (Barnes and Zollins) and two unprotected firsts might get you him this summer.

Are you ok? Unprotected firsts?
They have the option to cut him if he misses target weight and doesn't play enough games.

[Kevin]

Are you ok? Unprotected firsts?
They have the option to cut him if he misses target weight and doesn't play enough games.

Zion has the natural talent of a top 5 player and he's very productive when on the floor. Career shooting at 58% almost two hundred games into his career. LeBrons best season of shooting stands at 56%. It's risky for sure but good god the talent is unreal and he'll never realize that talent in NOLA.

[LeBowen]

Zion has the natural talent of a top 5 player and he's very productive when on the floor. Career shooting at 58% almost two hundred games into his career. LeBrons best season of shooting stands at 56%. It's risky for sure but good god the talent is unreal and he'll never realize that talent in NOLA.

He's a lazy fatass who doesn't care about basketball. Ben Simmons had more potential and look at him.
Zion is a non-shooter and an awful defender even when healthy...and he's never healthy.
The only people who think he has value are casuals who just watch highlights.

I wouldn't give him more than a 1 year minimum deal to prove himself.

[Kevin]

He's a lazy fatass who doesn't care about basketball. Ben Simmons had more potential and look at him.
Zion is a non-shooter and an awful defender even when healthy...and he's never healthy.
The only people who think he has value are casuals who just watch highlights.

I wouldn't give him more than a 1 year minimum deal to prove himself.

When you can get to the hoop like Zion jump shooting doesn't matter much kinda like Lebron. Again he's a 58% career shooter.

I get the feeling you've totally given up on Zion even though he's still only 24 years old and has very good production when he plays.

[scott]

He's a lazy fatass who doesn't care about basketball. Ben Simmons had more potential and look at him.
Zion is a non-shooter and an awful defender even when healthy...and he's never healthy.
The only people who think he has value are casuals who just watch highlights.

I wouldn't give him more than a 1 year minimum deal to prove himself.

I think it was Vecenie, but it might have been someone else who reported it, that there are GMs who would be willing to give up a pretty substantial package for Zion. I have 0.0% interest, but apparently there are actual NBA executives who are willing to pay for the opportunity to embarrass themselves.

[Kevin]

I think it was Vecenie, but it might have been someone else who reported it, that there are GMs who would be willing to give up a pretty substantial package for Zion. I have 0.0% interest, but apparently there are actual NBA executives who are willing to pay for the opportunity to embarrass themselves.

But can you blame them? HOF level natural talent with production, only 24 years old and wont cost a zillion picks because of flaws.

[scott]

But can you blame them? HOF level natural talent with production, only 24 years old and wont cost a zillion picks because of flaws.

I don't blame people who play the lottery, even though the EV is negative and it's a largely a losing proposition. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

[exstatic]

But can you blame them? HOF level natural talent with production, only 24 years old and wont cost a zillion picks because of flaws.

The most important ability is availability. He missed most of this season with hamstring issues, played one game, and he’s out with…hamstring issues

You can’t ever be great if you don’t put in the work, and he never has. Talent alone, even massive amounts, won’t carry you in a league where everyone has it, and some have more than Zion does.

[Kevin]

I don't blame people who play the lottery, even though the EV is negative and it's a largely a losing proposition. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Given his production Zion is better than a lotto ticket. He's more like a spin on a roulette wheel which pays 36 to 1 but then you're odds of winning are also 36 to 1.

[mudyez]

Not sure how, but Zion feels a lot like Clippers or Rockets material...maybe Sactown.

I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

[onechance87]

im gonna lose my mind if devin carter becomes a good player.Wright should be fired for being such a dumbass

[skin27]

Out of the play in race now. Fck the king are playing good now

[scott]

Out of the play in race now. Fck the king are playing good now

On the brightside, it's been without Fox... maybe they'll get a sense of confidence that they're better without him...

[Pauleta14]

Spurs fans seriously considering players like Beal or Zion shows how much PATFO ruined this fanbase with this roster devoided of talent. :lol

[skin27]

Tomorrow’s game vs lakers is mow postponed.

[spursistan]

Tomorrow’s game vs lakers is mow postponed.
Makes sense, but the Monday game should go ahead according to league sources.. We got to steal that one; otherwise the hope to get back to .500 and stay in the play-in picture will begin to fade given the schedule ahead.

[heyheymymy]

Huge unexpected break when most recent game Wemby was playing kinda passive. Maybe he is just physically worn down and this down time will be just what he needed to mend up. 3-4 days rest is quite the boon for an athlete that's been playing since July 2024.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs fans seriously considering players like Beal or Zion shows how much PATFO ruined this fanbase with this roster devoided of talent. :lol

No, it's that these people are jumpy morons who just want to make trades.

[Rocalcio]

He's a lazy fatass who doesn't care about basketball. Ben Simmons had more potential and look at him.
Zion is a non-shooter and an awful defender even when healthy...and he's never healthy.
The only people who think he has value are casuals who just watch highlights.

I wouldn't give him more than a 1 year minimum deal to prove himself.

Maybe that depends on which franchise he’s in, if he plays for a well established and respected coach who can also impress him in a good way (I’m not specifically talking about Pop), he might change his behavior and take care of his body. And you can’t deny that when healthy nobody can stop him.
That’s why I agree with Kevin when he says that this can’t happen in NOLA.

[Jordan Jackson]

I tried to tell people Mike Brown needed to go. Kings still need a backup center though. Cam Johnson would be a good addition too.

Fox is gone. The how and the when TBD. Although, it is starting to sound like the Aldridge Blazers situation when you knew he was gone and the worst kept secret was that he was headed to the Spurs.

[LeBowen]

I tried to tell people Mike Brown needed to go. Kings still need a backup center though. Cam Johnson would be a good addition too.

Fox is gone. The how and the when TBD. Although, it is starting to sound like the Aldridge Blazers situation when you knew he was gone and the worst kept secret was that he was headed to the Spurs.

PATFO needs to be aggressive and get him right now while there aren't many interested parties, who knows what can happen in the summer.
He fills our most important need - lack of consistent paint penetration and self-creation.


Maybe that depends on which franchise he’s in, if he plays for a well established and respected coach who can also impress him in a good way (I’m not specifically talking about Pop), he might change his behavior and take care of his body. And you can’t deny that when healthy nobody can stop him.
That’s why I agree with Kevin when he says that this can’t happen in NOLA.

Some players are just hopeless.
On the other hand you have Lonzo. Pressured by his lunatic father, drafted to an awfully ran franchise, traded to an even worse franchise, traded again after that, suffered one of the worst injuries the league has ever seen and he still recovered. Solid contributor right away.
Zion will be homeless at 35, he's just that big of a dumbass.

[CGD]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1877846827329860019

He must be feeling pretty confident that if NOLA cuts him, another team will give him a decent size contract. And I think he’s right actually

[CGD]

No, it's that these people are jumpy morons who just want to make trades.

Definitely. The NBA has conditioned us to value the transactional stuff as much (maybe even more) than the games. We’re in for a rude awakening with this apron crap tho

[Mr. Body]

Definitely. The NBA has conditioned us to value the transactional stuff as much (maybe even more) than the games. We’re in for a rude awakening with this apron crap tho

It's video games as much as anything. Men would rather vote for soulless monsters like Musk and Trump who would tear them apart rather than spend a second talking to a real girl. And they think sports is just EA video games. It's a failure of a society?

[LeBowen]

No, it's that these people are jumpy morons who just want to make trades.

No, you're just insufferable with your shit.
People float ideas out of boredom, noone said go and get Beal for X, Y, Z assets.
Everyone writes their thoughts, nothing wrong with that as long as they try and put some reasoning behind it.
Get over it and don't be a child.

Some suggestions are awful, but you know what's even more awful? PATFO sitting on their asses and doing nothing.
We lost a lot of value on those Hawks picks already, they were worth way more last summer. They better hope for some more dumb lottery luck yet again.

[Ice009]

No, you're just insufferable with your shit.
People float ideas out of boredom, noone said go and get Beal for X, Y, Z assets.
Everyone writes their thoughts, nothing wrong with that as long as they try and put some reasoning behind it.
Get over it and don't be a child.

Some suggestions are awful, but you know what's even more awful? PATFO sitting on their asses and doing nothing.
We lost a lot of value on those Hawks picks already, they were worth way more last summer. They better hope for some more dumb lottery luck yet again.

Those Hawks picks are starting to sting. Do you think the Spurs could have made a deal with the Jazz if they were willing to give up one of both of those last off-season?

[Mr. Body]

No, you're just insufferable with your shit.
People float ideas out of boredom, noone said go and get Beal for X, Y, Z assets.
Everyone writes their thoughts, nothing wrong with that as long as they try and put some reasoning behind it.
Get over it and don't be a child.

Some suggestions are awful, but you know what's even more awful? PATFO sitting on their asses and doing nothing.
We lost a lot of value on those Hawks picks already, they were worth way more last summer. They better hope for some more dumb lottery luck yet again.

Bro, making up trade scenarios for Beal and Zion is the stupidest shit ever.

Like, objectively idiotic on every level.

[LeBowen]

Those Hawks picks are starting to sting. Do you think the Spurs could have made a deal with the Jazz if they were willing to give up one of both of those last off-season?

We could've dumped Keldon and had Markkanen with those Hawks and Minnesota picks.
People were legit thinking a team that had no incentive to tank whatsoever would give us a top5 pick, lmao.

We can still get Fox with those picks.
Hawks also own SAC FRP (1-12 protected), another incentive for them to trade Fox for Hawks picks.


Bro, making up trade scenarios for Beal and Zion is the stupidest shit ever.

Like, objectively idiotic on every level.

I'm not saying it's not, but at least it's better than spamming YT videos or that idiot who just pops into every game thread to shit on Wemby.

[Mr. Body]

We could've dumped Keldon and had Markkanen with those Hawks and Minnesota picks.
People were legit thinking a team that had no incentive to tank whatsoever would give us a top5 pick, lmao.

We can still get Fox with those picks.
Hawks also own SAC FRP (1-12 protected), another incentive for them to trade Fox for Hawks picks.

Markannen is unsurprisingly bad this year. Who saw that coming? And coughing up picks for him?

And Sacto is playing much better without Fox right now. Actually playing defense.

[LeBowen]

Markannen is unsurprisingly bad this year. Who saw that coming? And coughing up picks for him?

Yeah, really surprising that a player who's playstyle is a better fit for a complementary piece to a real star is playing worse on an awful roster that's actively trying to lose games.
3ppg less on 1.5 less shots, you're making it sound like he went from 23 to 15ppg. And he's at 22ppg over the past month.

And that's your biggest issue and why a lot of people in here don't like you.
It's fine not to like a player, but you subtly try to push your agendas creating completely false narratives while having breakdowns as soon as someone posts something you disagree with.


And Sacto is playing much better without Fox right now. Actually playing defense.

Fox has proven his worth over the past years.
That level of play is more about coaching.
Fox and Demar are also a bad fit together.

[Pauleta14]

Devin Carter could be the player that make SAC trade Fox

I would if I were them.

[baseline bum]

Given his production Zion is better than a lotto ticket. He's more like a spin on a roulette wheel which pays 36 to 1 but then you're odds of winning are also 36 to 1.

He's a $140 million spin of the roulette wheel. You wanna bank Wemby's prime on Zion all of a sudden giving a shit?

[baseline bum]

Maybe that depends on which franchise he’s in, if he plays for a well established and respected coach who can also impress him in a good way (I’m not specifically talking about Pop), he might change his behavior and take care of his body. And you can’t deny that when healthy nobody can stop him.
That’s why I agree with Kevin when he says that this can’t happen in NOLA.

It's not like he was on a trainwreck of a franchise like LeBron in Cleveland his first 7 years. He has always had great role players around him, from Jrue Holiday to Ingram to Lonzo to Hart to McCollum to Trey Murphy III. If he had any work ethic that team would have made a couple of WCF minimum and probably have a ring by now. What you can't deny is he never gave a chance to a great organization that gave him everything he needed to become a winner and in return all they got was a child who had no interest in even trying to make a great situation work. He's so butthurt the Knicks didn't win the lottery and all he has done since is try to eat his way out of New Orleans. What makes you think he'd give any more of a shit about San Antonio? Even if he did he's not the athlete he was five year ago when he could have been a legit #1 on a title team.

[Ice009]

Devin Carter could be the player that make SAC trade Fox

I would if I were them.

I've been waiting to see how he plays for the Kings once he gets a decent amount of games under his belt. Do you think the Spurs considered him at number 8 at all?

[Pauleta14]

I've been waiting to see how he plays for the Kings once he gets a decent amount of games under his belt. Do you think the Spurs considered him at number 8 at all?

I'm afraid not after taking Castle. It had to be either one.

Nothing is ever sure but he's one of the closest "sure thing" of the draft and I keep hearing great things about him basketball and character wise.

[heyheymymy]

Yes I think the Spurs liked Devin Carter. They were extremely positive about the Carter Castle workout praising both players. I think the selection of Castle made it difficult to take Carter too especially if they already knew they were targeting CP3 which I'm not sure of the timeline but perhaps they were considering that aspect.

[exstatic]

He must be feeling pretty confident that if NOLA cuts him, another team will give him a decent size contract. And I think he’s right actually

No one really has cap room to pay him anything near what he’s making now. He’d better hope N.O. Doesn’t cut him, because he’ll never sniff anything close.

[scott]

No one really has cap room to pay him anything near what he’s making now. He’d better hope N.O. Doesn’t cut him, because he’ll never sniff anything close.

The Nets have projected practical cap space of $91MM, the Wizards $40MM, CHA $30MM, the Spurs $27MM.

There are a handful of teams who could line up to give Zion a decent payday if he were released... but I don't see any of them doing it, to your point.

I actually think WAS would be a fun landing spot for Zion, and Zion would seem to fit CHA's broad disfunction well :lol

[mystargtr34]

So it looks like the Suns are beating the Jazz tonight and will tie the Spurs in the standings. With the Kings playing really well with a non retard coach and the Suns looking more balanced with Beal moving to the bench and scrub as Nurkic sitting on the bench, and the Spurs having a brutal stretch coming up, the Spurs could easily fall a few games back behind the play-in teams.

Be interesting to see what happens over the next month in the standings leading up to the trade deadline. If the Spurs fall a few games behind the play-in I could see them trading CP3 and going to semi tank mode to get the 8th draft slot. Would also push the Bulls pick down although they might also go into tank mode by trading Lavine and Vucevic.

[baseline bum]

So it looks like the Suns are beating the Jazz tonight and will tie the Spurs in the standings. With the Kings playing really well with a non retard coach and the Suns looking more balanced with Beal moving to the bench and scrub as Nurkic sitting on the bench, and the Spurs having a brutal stretch coming up, the Spurs could easily fall a few games back behind the play-in teams.

Be interesting to see what happens over the next month in the standings leading up to the trade deadline. If the Spurs fall a few games behind the play-in I could see them trading CP3 and going to semi tank mode to get the 8th draft slot. Would also push the Bulls pick down although they might also go into tank mode by trading Lavine and Vucevic.

If the Spurs try to tank they'll fuck around and sit Sochan and Vassell and end up right back playing .500 ball just like last year.

[mystargtr34]

If the Spurs try to tank they'll fuck around and sit Sochan and Vassell and end up right back playing .500 ball just like last year.

You are right sitting those two probably leads to more wins.

My idea of tanking would be to start and give heavy minutes to Sochan Keldon and Devin. Also start Castle and of course Wemby. Then find any reason you can to sit Wemby on back to backs etc. Give as many minutes as possible to Branham and Collins off the bench.

[rankingtear]

Those Hawks picks are starting to sting. Do you think the Spurs could have made a deal with the Jazz if they were willing to give up one of both of those last off-season?

I think you have to match the Mikal Bridges haul cause they are more than fine keeping him and there is no trade request.

[mo7888]

I think you have to match the Mikal Bridges haul cause they are more than fine keeping him and there is no trade request.

Lauri or Cam would help alot at the 4 and Sochan could slide to the 3 if playing with Lauri or a defensive 4 if playing with Cam. I'd offer our 27, 29, + the Minny pick for Lauri or just 27 and 29 for Cam. In the draft take either Jackucionis or Jase Richardson and Liam McNeely or Karaban.

PG Paul, Jackucionis/Jase
SG Devin, Castle
SF Sochan, Champagnie, McNeely or Karaban
PF Lauri/Cam, Barnes
C Wemby , player to be named later

[baseline bum]

Lauri or Cam would help alot at the 4 and Sochan could slide to the 3 if playing with Lauri or a defensive 4 if playing with Cam. I'd offer our 27, 29, + the Minny pick for Lauri or just 27 and 29 for Cam. In the draft take either Jackucionis or Jase Richardson and Liam McNeely or Karaban.

PG Paul, Jackucionis/Jase
SG Devin, Castle
SF Sochan, Champagnie, McNeely or Karaban
PF Lauri/Cam, Barnes
C Wemby , player to be named later

Why would Utah take that lowball? Crap matching salary, two crap picks, and maybe one good one if Ant forces his way out for their star player doesn't make much sense for them.

[mo7888]

Why would Utah take that lowball? Crap matching salary, two crap picks, and maybe one good one if Ant forces his way out for their star player doesn't make much sense for them.

It's 3 firsts... salary wouldn't matter for them and they'd find Keldon useful... maybe we have to add another first, which I'd be OK with and if that isn't enough just take Cam.

[heyheymymy]

Tweet from reporter Clay Ferraro with Tim Hardaway interview “[Jimmy Butler] let those guys down by not playing in Orlando, & then out kicking it somewhere. People were calling me saying ‘Man he not even playing in Orlando. He at Prime 112 kicking it and eating and hanging out with folks” The Orlando game in question took place when Jimmy Butler was reportedly out sick with a “stomach illness”


1878108479967080648
(https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%E2%80%9C%5BJimmy+Butler%5D+let+those+guys+down+ by+not+playing+in+Orlando%2C+%26+then+out+kicking+ it+somewhere.+People+were+calling+me+saying+%E2%80 %98Man+he+not+even+playing+in+Orlando.+He+at+Prime +112+kicking+it+and+eating+and+hanging+out+with+fo lks%E2%80%9DThe+Orlando+game+in+question+took+plac e+when+Jimmy+Butler+was+reportedly+out+sick+with+a +%E2%80%9Cstomach+illness%E2%80%9D&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)

[heyheymymy]

Might need to add Jimmy to the Spicy: Do Not Touch List

That is some Nephew esqe shit

[exstatic]

Might need to add Jimmy to the Spicy: Do Not Touch List

That is some Nephew esqe shit

He’s always been an asshole, but nearing the end, people are less afraid to call him out. He’s done this shit at every stop.

Riley’s a strange bird. If he’d have just kept his own mouth shut, he could have dumped Jimmy to some hellish mid team, and gotten a return of some sort. Now, he’s a seriously distressed asset, and they won’t get shit for him. Jimmy’s not helping matters, but Riles killed his trade value with a single press conference.

[Ice009]

Pat Riley doesn't take shit. I wouldn't call him strange. He doesn't like letting players walk all over him, so it was almost expected that he'd Jimmy out. It's hurt his trade value, but that didn't surprise me knowing Riley's character.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Riley’s comments have nothing to do with Butler’s trade value. He’s just too old to give a shit anymore.

Miami would have been well aware of what possible offer there were and apparently they’ve been really bad but not because of what anyone said - it’s because Butler wants an extension with the team he’s traded to, which rules out about 28 teams. Riley’s only play is to get him to not pick up his player option for next year, and this also seems incredibly unlikely if he’s not traded.

[exstatic]

Riley’s comments have nothing to do with Butler’s trade value. He’s just too old to give a shit anymore.

It has everything to do with his trade value. I understand his personal motivations, but he damaged the product by venting his feelings to the press in an unprofessional manner. If he’s too old to act professionally to maximize Butler’s trade value, and he’s older than Pop, then maybe he needs to hang it up. I’d be furious if I were Mickey Arison.


Miami would have been well aware of what possible offer there were and apparently they’ve been really bad but not because of what anyone said - it’s because Butler wants an extension with the team he’s traded to, which rules out about 28 teams. Riley’s only play is to get him to not pick up his player option for next year, and this also seems incredibly unlikely if he’s not traded.

It was literally the press conference after the playoff loss. I doubt they were canvassing teams for Butler’s trade value right then. The extension talk didn’t help, but when you don’t value a player or at least pretend to, no one else will, either.

[LeBowen]

Mavs without Kyrie and Luka are killing the Nuggets.
Our role players are not even close to serious basketball.

[KingKev]

Mavs without Kyrie and Luka are killing the Nuggets.
Our role players are not even close to serious basketball.

Neither are our starters.

[mo7888]

Watching the Kings-Bulls and Fox hardly even looks like he's putting much effort in, even though he has 14 points in the middle of the 3rd. He's not really the focal point of this offense today (I realize he's coming off an injury). In the past I've seen much more effort in his game and it makes me wonder how much he wants a change of scenery and if Sac would prefer a pick centered package or win now players that we just don't have.

[KingKev]

^ couldn’t quite get it done final few plays but Lavine had another solid game.

[scott]

Watching the Kings-Bulls and Fox hardly even looks like he's putting much effort in, even though he has 14 points in the middle of the 3rd. He's not really the focal point of this offense today (I realize he's coming off an injury). In the past I've seen much more effort in his game and it makes me wonder how much he wants a change of scenery and if Sac would prefer a pick centered package or win now players that we just don't have.

How did he look after you posted this? I saw he finished with 26pt and 9reb. That's a nice statline

Also looks like the Mavericks had a Spurs v Bulls level meltdown against the Nuggs :lol

[mo7888]

How did he look after you posted this? I saw he finished with 26pt and 9reb. That's a nice statline

Also looks like the Mavericks had a Spurs v Bulls level meltdown against the Nuggs :lol

He played well the whole game really. It was like he was coasting though. I guess what I was trying to say was that he has several more levels he can tap into if he really wants too and change of scenery might help bring it out of him. I was impressed.

[RC_Drunkford]

That’s the thing with Fox. He puts up these numbers while coasting. Imagine what he would do when he‘s locked in and doesn’t have to be the first option

[Mr. Body]

That’s the thing with Fox. He puts up these numbers while coasting. Imagine what he would do when he‘s locked in and doesn’t have to be the first option

When does this happen?

[RC_Drunkford]

When does this happen?

when he joins a new team

[Mr. Body]

when he joins a new team

Right. Those players always suddenly 'turn it on' when playing on other teams instead of the playoff caliber team they're already on. Instead of this just being who they are.

[SpursBills]

If there was anybody else besides Wemby in the league to bet on to get a 5x5 at some point in the next 5 years, it'd have to be Amen Thompson, right? This guy is a monster

[mystargtr34]

Yeah Amen is starting to remind me of a young Shawn Marion. Except he can dribble a basketball but he’s not the shooter Marion was.

[scott]

Yeah Amen is starting to remind me of a young Shawn Marion. Except he can dribble a basketball but he’s not the shooter Marion was.

What's funny is that Marion wasn't even that good a shooter - he just always seemed to hit 3s against us :lol Only a .331 3P% for his career, and then kind of stopped shooting 3s altogether. Amen is pretty atrocious though, but HOU does a good job of not putting him in shooting positions.

[100%duncan]

What's funny is that Marion wasn't even that good a shooter - he just always seemed to hit 3s against us :lol Only a .331 3P% for his career, and then kind of stopped shooting 3s altogether. Amen is pretty atrocious though, but HOU does a good job of not putting him in shooting positions.

Is the gap in athleticism between Amen and Steph really that far huh? I hope for Steph to emulate even just 50% of this burst while improving to be a better shooter.

[ginobilized]

Amen Thompson was electrifying tonight. Kind of a modern day Michael Cooper, but, hopefully without the rambling speech patterns.

[scott]

Is the gap in athleticism between Amen and Steph really that far huh? I hope for Steph to emulate even just 50% of this burst while improving to be a better shooter.

Yeah, Amen has elite, 1% level Athleticism that is just hard to find and stands out even amongst all the rest of the world class athletes. Castle is just a different kind of player, which is fine, no shame in that at all. I give the Spurs FO some credit though, they were really high on Amen as well.

[100%duncan]

Yeah, Amen has elite, 1% level Athleticism that is just hard to find and stands out even amongst all the rest of the world class athletes. Castle is just a different kind of player, which is fine, no shame in that at all. I give the Spurs FO some credit though, they were really high on Amen as well.

Steph drives to the rim and gets blocked or just doesnt have enough lift sometimes which really makes it critical that he improves his shooting.

[lefty]

Yeah, I haven't watched them, but they look like they're playing great. Have you watched their games? Are all their players back? Is Chet playing, or is he still out? Coincidentally, was their last loss against the Spurs over a month ago?

Tjey are still missing players

Notably Chet and Caruso

[lefty]

Pat Riley doesn't take shit. I wouldn't call him strange. He doesn't like letting players walk all over him, so it was almost expected that he'd Jimmy out. It's hurt his trade value, but that didn't surprise me knowing Riley's character.

Bro sent his resignation to NYK via a fax :lol

[scott]

Really good article on JJJ's contract situation and how team-friendly, declining contracts can sometimes have unintended consequences: https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2580/the-memphis-grizzlies-need-jaren-jackson-jr-to-make-all-nba-this-season

Though I think the risk is low because I'm a Devin hater, the Spurs would face a similar dilemma if Vassell started to significantly outplay his deal to the point where he is a borderline all-star. Because his deal is so good in that scenario, he basically becomes unextendible and runs the risk of Unrestricted Free Agency, and then you get in a situation where you NEED the player to qualify for a SuperMax (you don't have to give them a SuperMax though) to avoid UFA. There was fear this would end up being the situation with Dejounte, but ATL ended up being able to extend him.

Of course, even if a player hits UFA, his original team can still resign him (and have his bird rights to do so), but as we saw with Timmy and Orlando back in the day, the temptations of other teams can be quite stressful for the team and for fans.

Anyway, an interesting wrinkle to the CBA that wroth understanding if you're one who wants to have a strong grip on salary cap machinations and implications.

[spurraider21]

i really enjoy spotrac's content, and their website is great, both for NFL and NBA

keith smith is one of the better cap situation explainers for NBA, and they have similar folk over on the NFL side

[SpursBills]

Is the gap in athleticism between Amen and Steph really that far huh? I hope for Steph to emulate even just 50% of this burst while improving to be a better shooter.

Athletically, the gap between Castle and the Thompson twins is like comparing Scoot Henderson and Ja Morant - B/B+ athlete vs A+ athlete. Castle is smaller and less athletic than both of the twins and will be unlikely to match them as a defender - might be looking at prime butler vs Simmons/kawhi level defense. His path to equaling/exceeding them in value will likely come from improvements in his shot and his ability to serve as a primary initiator, leaning into his passing vision as well as his handle to be a true pg, which is something neither of the twins can do currently.

[Ice009]

I've been meaning to ask, is Amen a much better athlete than his brother? I'd assume he is at least a little bit, but since they're twins, I'm not sure how that works. If they're about the same athletically, what made Amen the higher pick?

[Mugen]

I've been meaning to ask, is Amen a much better athlete than his brother? I'd assume he is at least a little bit, but since they're twins, I'm not sure how that works. If they're about the same athletically, what made Amen the higher pick?

Early scouting reports pegged Amen as a slightly better athlete than Ausar but the gap is razon thin.

Amen was the higher pick as he had playmaking/lead guard upside that Ausar didn't. I don't think Amen can be a full time PG (for the same reasons I don't think Castle will be a lead guard) but his upside is pretty crazy.

[Ice009]

Early scouting reports pegged Amen as a slightly better athlete than Ausar but the gap is razon thin.

Amen was the higher pick as he had playmaking/lead guard upside that Ausar didn't. I don't think Amen can be a full time PG (for the same reasons I don't think Castle will be a lead guard) but his upside is pretty crazy.

Thanks for the explanation as that gives me a great idea between the two. Looking at their games now, do you think that scouting is pretty accurate (I haven't really watched either player outside of Spurs games).

[Mugen]

Thanks for the explanation as that gives me a great idea between the two. Looking at their games now, do you think that scouting is pretty accurate (I haven't really watched either player outside of Spurs games).

I've watched Amen more than Ausar, but yeah pretty accurate from what I've seen.

[TeKu]

Really good article on JJJ's contract situation and how team-friendly, declining contracts can sometimes have unintended consequences: https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2580/the-memphis-grizzlies-need-jaren-jackson-jr-to-make-all-nba-this-season

Nice article, your Vassell point is a good one but what I took from it was we should really root for JJJ to not make All-NBA this season as he will then definitely be a free agent in the 26 off season when we have capspace. Pairing him with Victor would be crazy!

[spurraider21]

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[scott]

Center market dominos starting to fall

Also, LOL @ the Wishcasters who ever thought the CHA was going to convey

[LeBowen]

So we could've had Richards for one of our scrubs and two CHA SRPs.
Good job, Brian!

[mo7888]

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I'm jealous..

[scott]

Brian busy in some underground eastern European child internment camp, scouting impoverished 12 year olds with RC. No time to for trades.

[scott]

PHX also saves $20MM on their tax bill by making this move, FYI

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[LeBowen]

Embiid is unsurprisingly out, now it's a foot injury.
If Sixers completely collapse, Bulls will surely make the play-in.
Trae is out tonight, should be an easy win for the Bulls.

[Robz4000]

Embiid is unsurprisingly out, now it's a foot injury.
If Sixers completely collapse, Bulls will surely make the play-in.
Trae is out tonight, should be an easy win for the Bulls.

Hawks beat the Celtics when he was out before tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

I told y'all he was available. Smh we still gotta watch Zach Collins...:pctoss

can we at least get Day'Ron Sharpe?

[mo7888]

I told y'all he was available. Smh we still gotta watch Zach Collins...:pctoss

can we at least get Day'Ron Sharpe?

Can we? Surething... Will we? We like what we have..

[spurraider21]

richards making 5m/year would have been a nice use of some of our million second round picks. we even owned 2 of charlottes!

we'll have to give away some to dump branham and potentially wesley as well

[mystargtr34]

Trading our guys is just not what we do. We’re a family :pop

[spurraider21]

I told y'all he was available. Smh we still gotta watch Zach Collins...:pctoss

can we at least get Day'Ron Sharpe?
speaking of people named Sharpe, i think some people might start owing rascal apologies. shaedon has been playing well

[Robz4000]

Trading our guys is just not what we do. We’re a family :pop

:pop: we've won enough championships, time to let somebody else have a turn

[scott]

speaking of people named Sharpe, i think some people might start owing rascal (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=914) apologies. shaedon has been playing well

He's climbed all the way up to a 16th Percentile player in Overall LEBRON this season, nipping right on Malaki Branham's heels. Lookout Bran!

[exstatic]

speaking of people named Sharpe, i think some people might start owing rascal apologies. shaedon has been playing well

How do you figure? His 3G% has dropped every season, from 36% to 33% to 31% this year. He’s like Lonnie, minus the buttery smooth jumper.

Lonnie is not currently in the league, BTW.

[spurraider21]

How do you figure? His 3G% has dropped every season, from 36% to 33% to 31% this year. He’s like Lonnie, minus the buttery smooth jumper.

Lonnie is not currently in the league, BTW.
i didnt say his 3 point jumper has gotten better. i said he's been playing well. he had a rough november but has been playing better since then

[scott]

Shaedon's Actual EPM numbers look a little more favorable. He's 49th percentile in Actual EPM, but 75th percentile in O-EPM and 8th percentile in D-EPM. His CraftedPlusMinus metrics aren't as favorable: 69/3/17 percentiles (O, D, Overall).

I actually don't hate Shaedon's, but he's just another one of many guys in category of no-defense chuckerguards. Lavine, Vassell, Cam Thomas, Simons, Sharpe, etc. Exciting dunks though.

[mo7888]

richards making 5m/year would have been a nice use of some of our million second round picks. we even owned 2 of charlottes!

we'll have to give away some to dump branham and potentially wesley as well

Probably could have moved Branham + Wesley + cha pick for nsj and richards

[Strategic]

Come on Spurs

[Strategic]

Wolves with a twelve point 1st quarter tonight. Welcome to our world

[exstatic]

richards making 5m/year would have been a nice use of some of our million second round picks. we even owned 2 of charlottes!

we'll have to give away some to dump branham and potentially wesley as well

Ask yourself this question: their starting center, Mark Williams is in his third season. He’s has yet to play one season’s worth of games, yet Charlotte let Nick Richard’s go for a bag of popcorn. Do you suppose that maybe they know more about him than a bunch of jackoffs in some forum?

[rascal]

How do you figure? His 3G% has dropped every season, from 36% to 33% to 31% this year. He’s like Lonnie, minus the buttery smooth jumper.

Lonnie is not currently in the league, BTW.

Sharpe is better than Lonnie Walker. Much more athletic with higher upside as an offensive player.

[spurraider21]

Ask yourself this question: their starting center, Mark Williams is in his third season. He’s has yet to play one season’s worth of games, yet Charlotte let Nick Richard’s go for a bag of popcorn. Do you suppose that maybe they know more about him than a bunch of jackoffs in some forum?
I’ll just copy paste this next time you criticize any transaction any front office makes

besides, i know contracts better than you do

[scott]

I’ll just copy paste this next time you criticize any transaction any front office makes

besides, i know contracts better than you do

I wonder if this same thought process went through exstatic's mind when he mused aloud that SAC would just give us Keon Ellis for cheap.

But... Larry Bird was white, you know.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sharpe is better than Lonnie Walker. Much more athletic with higher upside as an offensive player.

that's not hard to do. Basically every player in the NBA is better than Lonnie Walker, cause he's not in the league

[Ice009]

How do you figure? His 3G% has dropped every season, from 36% to 33% to 31% this year. He’s like Lonnie, minus the buttery smooth jumper.

Lonnie is not currently in the league, BTW.

Darn, I feel bad for Lonnie. I thought he was still in the league somewhere. Where is he at? I feel he's still an NBA player. I wonder why he's not on any roster?

Say what you will about his lack of BBIQ and poor defense, I still think he's a decent scorer that some team could use off their bench.

[Mr. Body]

Nick Richards is a hardworking player who makes all kinds of boneheaded decisions, according to Hornets fans, because he doesn't basketball very well. He's not a solution for the Spurs but for a desperate team like the Suns that's another matter.

[Obstructed_View]

Lmaoo Mavfan is literally retarded. They lost on a non-called goaltend and you'd think the fabric of the universe unraveled up here. Not only have the Spurs lost at least one playoff series due to that rule, I remember a regular season game they lost to the Mavs on that rule. Mark Cuban was high fiving everyone. :lol

[scott]

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[mo7888]

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He would help alot here...alas...

[scott]

The rest of the world discovering what a clown Dusty Garza is :lol

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[BatManu20]

Watching OKC destroy the Cavs right now on national television in what could very well be a preview of this year's NBA Finals, and can't help but feel like I might be watching a potential dynasty in the making tbh.

Will be very difficult to beat this team in a 7-game series this year. They have the youngest roster in the NBA and have been dominant all season, and both Chet and Hartenstein have missed a lot of games.

SGA is likely going to win MVP and is only 26. He's still a couple years away from his prime. It seems their entire roster can shoot the ball. Their spacing is amazing for Shai to operate in cause you can't sag off anyone.

They also have a shit-ton of draft capital at their disposal over the coming years. I foresee multiple rings in their future I fear.


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[Mr. Body]

OKC's great advantage once again is they're emerging in an era when there are no great teams. They would get destroyed by the Curry Warriors, the Heatles, or the 2014 Spurs, no contest.

[Mr. Body]

I think even the bubble Lakers team with good role players beat OKC. They don't do well against big physical teams. Problem is there's no one in the West who can engage them.

[spurraider21]

Collins would be a really nice add for Sacto. i still think their ceiling is just too limited with their construct, but he can help mask some of their issues

id like him here as well tbh

[Duncan2177]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_CQtiYQMLQ

[Raven]

i find it impressive, just how little passing there is between cleveland and okc

[spurraider21]

I think even the bubble Lakers team with good role players beat OKC. They don't do well against big physical teams. Problem is there's no one in the West who can engage them.
i think they recognized this which is why they went out and got Hartenstein who is a very good player. he's out now, but if he and Chet are healthy... i dont really know what their weakness is

[ambchang]

i think they recognized this which is why they went out and got Hartenstein who is a very good player. he's out now, but if he and Chet are healthy... i dont really know what their weakness is

Agreed. Except the chet part. I don’t see him helping against big physical teams because he does get shoved aside pretty easily. I think he helps more against the quicker smaller teams where he is both quick and tall so he can cover for the smaller quicker players while still being able to get rebounds, not to mention man the paint. But against stronger teams he gets moved out of position too easily on rebounds and his shot blocking gets muted because bigger players tend to shoved into his defender to avoid blocks.

[spurraider21]

Agreed. Except the chet part. I don’t see him helping against big physical teams because he does get shoved aside pretty easily. I think he helps more against the quicker smaller teams where he is both quick and tall so he can cover for the smaller quicker players while still being able to get rebounds, not to mention man the paint. But against stronger teams he gets moved out of position too easily on rebounds and his shot blocking gets muted because bigger players tend to shoved into his defender to avoid blocks.
What if he plays the 4 next to Hartenstein? That’s a ton of collective length

[lefty]

OKC's great advantage once again is they're emerging in an era when there are no great teams. They would get destroyed by the Curry Warriors, the Heatles, or the 2014 Spurs, no contest.

So they are like the 90s Bulls?

[ambchang]

What if he plays the 4 next to Hartenstein? That’s a ton of collective length

That would be good but it’s not really him helping out against big physical players.

OKC is incredible in perimeter defence, I haven’t looked but would imagine players like Giannis and nuggets would eat vs them. Too bad the surrounding players for bucks and nuggets aren’t even close to the OKC supporting players.

Chet’s biggest attribute is how mobile he is given his length. Hartenstein is big and physical but still relatively mobile, just amazing how OKC can sign him for so cheap. $29m per is Vassell money.

[LeBowen]

Executives from three different NBA franchises confirm that the Cleveland Cavaliers are trying to trade for Cameron Johnson. The Cavaliers have “serious interest” in acquiring the Brooklyn Nets forward.

Meanwhile Brian Wright can't get over himself and likes what we have.

[scott]

Very off-topic, but anyone planning on checking out the Unrivaled debut tonight? Kind of wild that the WNBA is letting it's star players play in this, though the average salary for Unrivaled is higher than the average salary in the WNBA so I'm not sure how they would stop them :lol

[tonight...you]

I wonder if this same thought process went through exstatic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20)'s mind when he mused aloud that SAC would just give us Keon Ellis for cheap.

But... Larry Bird was white, you know.
When did Larry Bird become white?!

Holy shit...

[ambchang]

When did Larry Bird become white?!

Holy shit...

After he got the same plastic surgeon Michael Jackson did.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/hornets/status/1880456751843332357

[lefty]

Offensive GOAT doing offensive GOAT thing

https://x.com/thehoopcentral/status/1880446727142113355

[tonight...you]

After he got the same plastic surgeon Michael Jackson did.
lol

[onechance87]

nick richards with a big game for suns after the trade from hornets.Meanwhile our front office remains dogshit.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1881535639264616928

[KingKev]

This dunk contest is going to be turrrrable

Hope to see Jalen Green atleast.

[LeBowen]

Deafening silence around the league, tbh.
16 days until the deadline, so many teams desperate to make a move one way or another and yet nothing is happening.

Feels like Jimmy and Cam Johnson are the big prizes, after those two trades are done other teams will pivot towards more realistic targets.

[Mr. Body]

Deafening silence around the league, tbh.
16 days until the deadline, so many teams desperate to make a move one way or another and yet nothing is happening.

Feels like Jimmy and Cam Johnson are the big prizes, after those two trades are done other teams will pivot towards more realistic targets.

Those are two pretty unimpressive prizes, all told. One problem is how bad teams can no longer carry cap space into the season. Makes it hard for teams to grease the wheels to get things done.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1881854500849549532

[BatManu20]

PHX going after Jimmy Butler?

[Robz4000]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1881854500849549532

Gotta be the precursor to a Butler trade.

[scott]

Fascinating trade, as it unlocks the next 6 drafts for them in terms of tradeable assets. Now they can trade PHX26, PHX28 or PHX30, or the 3 picks they just acquired (which aren't great and aren't worth much, as evidenced by the cost to acquire them).

[scott]

To be honest, wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs do something similar with picks like ATL25 (likely to be back half) and CHI25 (growing risk of not conveying). Ship has sailed on CHA25, but if we could send of ATL25, CHI25 and CHA25 for something like LAC30 + LAC31 swap, I'd be down.

Edit: to be clear, I'd prefer we use those picks to acquire a player, but this wouldn't be a bad backup plan (and we could also turnaround and use the acquired pick for a player, LAC30 would be worth more than ATL25 or CHI25)

[spurraider21]

Fascinating trade, as it unlocks the next 6 drafts for them in terms of tradeable assets. Now they can trade PHX26, PHX28 or PHX30, or the 3 picks they just acquired (which aren't great and aren't worth much, as evidenced by the cost to acquire them).
keep in mind their 26/28/30 picks are all swapped and i think some or all of them are swapped twice

[scott]

keep in mind their 26/28/30 picks are all swapped and i think some or all of them are swapped twice

The 2028 pick in particular has hilarious levels of conditions attached to it. I've read them a few times and still not sure I completely understand it.

[scott]

This is seems to be quite obviously setting up a Butler deal where PHX pays MIA for Butler with picks and pays a third team to take Beal.

Who is ready for a Brian Wright special? What number does Beal wear for the Spurs if Paul has #3 locked up?

[Guru of Nothing]

Does the Phoenix deal take some air out of the sails of the Rockets war chest? I tried to decipher all the swap rules associated with picks and quickly gave up.

Can I get a Fuck Houston?

[LeBowen]

Danny Ainge giving up late FRPs he doesn't really need for an unprotected FRP of a franchise that's going to implode within a year.

[scott]

Does the Phoenix deal take some air out of the sails of the Rockets war chest? I tried to decipher all the swap rules associated with picks and quickly gave up.

Can I get a Fuck Houston?

It might pump the brakes a little bit on Houston getting a nice pick from PHX (via a swap with BKN) this year, but HOU still has PHX27 (completely unprotected) and a swap for PHX29 (Houston actually gets the two best picks of HOU/DAL/PHX that year, and BKN gets the worst of the 3).

I think the biggest impact if PHX gets Jimmy, is it will put an end to the possibility that they want to blow it up and send KD or Booker to HOU. The Rockets are still probably getting a decent reward in 2029 though.

[Mr. Body]

Good move by Phoenix. By the end of the decade this country will be a smoking ruin anyway.

[scott]

Danny Ainge giving up late FRPs he doesn't really need for an unprotected FRP of a franchise that's going to implode within a year.

Yep. Galaxy Brain 5000 move from Ainge. Too bad he hasn't figured out how to do anything in Utah other than collect draft picks though.

A few thoughts on this and trades like it:

You look at this deal, and deals OKC has had to do, and it really highlights how not all picks are created equal and the value of incoming picks rapidly diminishes as they become increasingly certain to be late FRPs. You wait to long, and you end up having to take pennies on the dollar for them. The Spurs should already know this, but if not hopefully they are paying attention. The worst thing to happen to your war chest is when you are stuck actually having to make the picks that don't return high value. Then you had to add Branhams and Isaiah Colliers or sell off your picks for cheap like NYK did last year when they wanted out of #24 and only ended up with a handful of SRPs.
Even though PHX31 looks juicy, I'm sure Ainge views it more as a trade chip than as a potential top 5 pick. As we've seen with ATL25, it's really rare for traded FRPs to convey super high without a lot of luck (like HOU jumping up 6 spots with BKN's pick). Which is partly what was frustrating about the ROI we got for the the #8 pick. Natural variance alone signals that there's a 50/50 shot the MIN30 swap even conveys, and if it does the odds say it is most likely to only result in a slight improvement in position. The MIN31 pick only has about a 25% chance of being 8 or better. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm good with the decision to trade the pick but I would have hoped to have gotten more value for it (though market forces dictate what it's worth and it sounds like MIN was the only buyer).

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

Yep. Galaxy Brain 5000 move from Ainge. Too bad he hasn't figured out how to do anything in Utah other than collect draft picks though.

A few thoughts on this and trades like it:

You look at this deal, and deals OKC has had to do, and it really highlights how not all picks are created equal and the value of incoming picks rapidly diminishes as they become increasingly certain to be late FRPs. You wait to long, and you end up having to take pennies on the dollar for them. The Spurs should already know this, but if not hopefully they are paying attention. The worst thing to happen to your war chest is when you are stuck actually having to make the picks that don't return high value. Then you had to add Branhams and Isaiah Colliers or sell off your picks for cheap like NYK did last year when they wanted out of #24 and only ended up with a handful of SRPs.
Even though PHX31 looks juicy, I'm sure Ainge views it more as a trade chip than as a potential top 5 pick. As we've seen with ATL25, it's really rare for traded FRPs to convey super high without a lot of luck (like HOU jumping up 6 spots with BKN's pick). Which is partly what was frustrating about the ROI we got for the the #8 pick. Natural variance alone signals that there's a 50/50 shot the MIN30 swap even conveys, and if it does the odds say it is most likely to only result in a slight improvement in position. The MIN31 pick only has about a 25% chance of being 8 or better. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm good with the decision to trade the pick but I would have hoped to have gotten more value for it (though market forces dictate what it's worth and it sounds like MIN was the only buyer).


in his last 7 games collier is averaging 11 points, 9 assists, 4.5 boards

[scott]

in his last 7 games collier is averaging 11 points, 9 assists, 4.5 boards

Well dang, not too bad. He looked pretty terrible earlier in the season. Maybe he's finding his way. On the other hand, there were stretches where Branham put up some decent numbers as well...

[onechance87]

man miami losing to portland makes us look real bad.

[baseline bum]

Fascinating trade, as it unlocks the next 6 drafts for them in terms of tradeable assets. Now they can trade PHX26, PHX28 or PHX30, or the 3 picks they just acquired (which aren't great and aren't worth much, as evidenced by the cost to acquire them).

Nah they can't trade their 26, 28, nor 30 since they gave Washington unprotected swaps on all three of them to land Beal. Holy fuck. :rollin

https://www.nba.com/news/wizards-suns-trade-bradley-beal-chris-paul

[baseline bum]

I think the biggest impact if PHX gets Jimmy, is it will put a one year time delay to the possibility that they want to blow it up and send KD or Booker to HOU. The Rockets are still probably getting a decent reward in 2029 though.

fify

[baseline bum]

Good move by Phoenix. By the end of the decade this country will be a smoking ruin anyway.

All the more reason to make trades to win now :lol

[baseline bum]

I guess congrats to the Sons for trading a dollar for three nickels.

[CGD]

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Beal—Middleton — Jimbo 3 way?

[scott]

Nah they can't trade their 26, 28, nor 30 since they gave Washington unprotected swaps on all three of them to land Beal. Holy fuck. :rollin

https://www.nba.com/news/wizards-suns-trade-bradley-beal-chris-paul

They can still trade them, they're just far less valuable

[baseline bum]

They can still trade them, they're just far less valuable

Yeah you're right, they can trade them as worst of. :lol

What a clusterfuck of a franchise.

[mystargtr34]

Beal in Milwaukee seems a suspect fit next to Dame in the back court. I suppose if you put a wing defender at the 3 like Andre Jackson that’s three plus defensive players with Brooke and Giannis but man Dame and Beal are going to leak points.

[scott]

MIL trading for Beal sounds like the Bucks front office is trying to force Giannis into asking for a trade this offseason :lol

[LeBowen]

[Charania] League sources told ESPN that James and Davis are growing concerned about the Lakers' ability to make significant roster upgrades with their two tradeable first-rounders.

Should've said that AD is concerned about LeGM's ability to make significant roster upgrades. :lmao
Wasted his prime for a Mickey Mouse ring in Lebron's shadow, what a disappointment.



[Charania] Sources said the Bulls have been receiving calls from teams on two key players: Zach LaVine and Nikola Vucevic.

They'll probably give away both for next to nothing as long as they don't have to take bad contracts back just so they can tank properly.

[scott]

They'll probably give away both for next to nothing as long as they don't have to take bad contracts back just so they can tank properly.

Yeah, Vecenie thinks the price of Lavine is simply just a contract that expires sooner to shave years off what CHI is on the hook for, plus a minor asset (like a SRP).

On Vooch, he didn't sound as bullish (no pun intended) on the prospects because Vooch isn't a clean fit in a lot of places.

[SpurSpike]

Man if we can get Lavine and Valanciunas for basically 2nd round picks and contract filler that would be amazing. Won't happen, but I can dream lol.

I'm not even a big Lavine fan but he would fill a huge need for the Spurs in scoring and 3 point shooting, you can possibly get him for super cheap and his contract is up right when we need to pay Wemby.

Might even give up a highly protected 1st for Val just to push other teams out.

[KingKev]

Jimmy suspended another 2 games lol

[Strategic]

Darius Garland misses game winning free throws and gives a game to the rockets. Spurs can’t catch a break like that. Of course it doesn’t help being down 20.

[djohn2oo8]

Darius Garland misses game winning free throws and gives a game to the rockets. Spurs can’t catch a break like that. Of course it doesn’t help being down 20.
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[Strategic]

I didn’t see the play. Was it a legit foul call?

[djohn2oo8]

I didn’t see the play. Was it a legit foul call?
It was. Thankfully he missed

[skin27]

Looks like its going to be spurs vs warriors for the last play-in spot

[Ice009]

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This is what you call choking. Terrible to miss both if you're a 90% free throw shooter.

[scott]

Looks like its going to be spurs vs warriors for the last play-in spot

TBH would not surprise me if our current 3 game losing streak turned into a 10 game losing streak before we play @ CHA on 2/7. Also wouldn't shock me if we go 4-11 in February. Schedule is brutal, and we don't play in San Antonio From Feb 2 to Mar 1. Our only two "home" games are in Austin.

[skin27]

Austin os still considered a home game

[KingKev]

Feb 6th @3pm is basically the end of any hope of a playoff push for us I suspect.

[scott]

Austin os still considered a home game

Which is why I said "we don't play in San Antonio" and not "we don't have any home games"

[skin27]

Which is why I said "we don't play in San Antonio" and not "we don't have any home games"

hope fully spurs miraculously make 5-6 game winning streak to secure the play in atleast.

[baseline bum]

1. Media hyped old guys like KD, LeBron, and Steph instead of the actual elite players now in Jokic, Giannis, SGA, and Luka
2. Media complains about ratings sucking
3. Media votes lifetime achievement awards for KD, LeBron, and Steph as AS starters

I could live with Wemby losing a starting spot to Davis who is having a better season and deserves it more, but LeBron and KD are not better than Victor now.

[scott]

1. Media hyped old guys like KD, LeBron, and Steph instead of the actual elite players now in Jokic, Giannis, SGA, and Luka
2. Media complains about ratings sucking
3. Media votes lifetime achievement awards for KD, LeBron, and Steph as AS starters

I could live with Wemby losing a starting spot to Davis who is having a better season and deserves it more, but LeBron and KD are not better than Victor now.

To be fair, the Media voted Wemby 2nd and KD 5th. It was the fans and players who put KD in over Vic.

[baseline bum]

To be fair, the Media voted Wemby 2nd and KD 5th. It was the fans and players who put KD in over Vic.

OK I will STFU :lol

[Robz4000]

Wemby isn't gonna be an All Star tbh; Spurs' record isn't good enough. Might get in as an injury replacement.

[100%duncan]

Wemby should've been in over KD and Lebron. Even the casuals in FB and Twitter are all in agreement of this :lol There's no way he's missing the reserves

[Mugen]

Wemby isn't gonna be an All Star tbh; Spurs' record isn't good enough. Might get in as an injury replacement.

He's gonna be an all-star tbh.

[DAF86]

Wemby isn't gonna be an All Star tbh; Spurs' record isn't good enough. Might get in as an injury replacement.

Who's gonna get in over him? Guys like Fox, Sabonis, Booker, Dryamond, who have about the same record?

[BatManu20]

Wemby is absolutely going to be an All-Star. He should've 100% been a starter but they'll definitely give him a spot as a Reserve.

[Robz4000]

He's gonna be an all-star tbh.

There's seven reserve spots tbh, and there's a lot of players out West that deserve to go.

OKC - JDub
Hou - Green/Sengun
Mem - JJJ
LAL - AD
Minny - Ant
LAC - Harden
Sac - Sabonis
SA - Wemby

Just to name a few. There's gonna be some snubs tbh.

[Robz4000]

Who's gonna get in over him? Guys like Fox, Sabonis, Booker, Dryamond, who have about the same record?

It'll be some bullshit about how teams like Houston and OKC deserve multiple Allstars due to team record while the Spurs could never get more than one while winning 60 games a season :lol...

[spurraider21]

Wemby isn't gonna be an All Star tbh; Spurs' record isn't good enough. Might get in as an injury replacement.
he's absolutely going to be an all-star. ill delete my account here if he doesnt, thats how confident i am

[Robz4000]

Could also see Kyrie getting in but that would be an absolute travesty.

[skin27]

1. Media hyped old guys like KD, LeBron, and Steph instead of the actual elite players now in Jokic, Giannis, SGA, and Luka
2. Media complains about ratings sucking
3. Media votes lifetime achievement awards for KD, LeBron, and Steph as AS starters

I could live with Wemby losing a starting spot to Davis who is having a better season and deserves it more, but LeBron and KD are not better than Victor now.

thos players you mentioned at number 1 are not americans. Remember NBA is still an American league

[Mugen]

There's seven reserve spots tbh, and there's a lot of players out West that deserve to go.

OKC - JDub
Hou - Green/Sengun
Mem - JJJ
LAL - AD
Minny - Ant
LAC - Harden
Sac - Sabonis
SA - Wemby

Just to name a few. There's gonna be some snubs tbh.

he's better than all those guys (and 3 of the starters). They won't care about the record tbh, he'll be an all star.

[Mr. Body]

Wemby is the first not starter in. No worries.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/NBA/status/1882637404240273525

[BatManu20]

Joker is going to somehow finish runner-up in MVP voting this season and it's going to be criminal. He's having an all-time great season and more importantly, this is a top-5 prime of all time that we're watching imo.

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[DAF86]

Joker is going to somehow finish runner-up in MVP voting this season and it's going to be criminal. He's having an all-time great season and more importantly, this is a top-5 prime of all time that we're watching imo.

1882638971995558320

Literally MyCareer numbers. :lol

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1882639209993048066

https://x.com/SportsCenter/status/1882638468850847977

[BatManu20]

Literally MyCareer numbers. :lol

First 30/20/15 game since Wilt. Dude is insane.

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[heyheymymy]

Jokic is a living basketball god. Absolutely incredible production. Really impressed by his work and what a likable super star too.

Hats off to Denver

[100%duncan]

Joker is going to somehow finish runner-up in MVP voting this season and it's going to be criminal. He's having an all-time great season and more importantly, this is a top-5 prime of all time that we're watching imo.

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This is probably a top 3 peak if we're being honest

[cutewizard]

Props to all GMs who missed him , hahahaha

[BatManu20]

This is probably a top 3 peak if we're being honest

Agreed tbh. Outside of Jordan and Lebron, not sure we've ever seen a better peak than this. Joker is destined for top-10 all time. He just needs another ring or two to cement it. Problem is I don't think his supporting cast is good enough to win another one right now, especially with Murray regressing this season. That team falls apart anytime he goes to the bench, much like Spurs with Wemby.

[BatManu20]

Kel'el Ware suddenly on a hot streak after being relegated to the bench for the majority of the season. He gave Wemby 25/8/2 the other night and followed that up with 2 more good performances. Shooting 40% from 3 on almost 2 attempts per game. Small sample size obv but he looks the part of a starting two-way C in this league. Was drafted 15th Overall out of Indiana last year.

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[100%duncan]

Agreed tbh. Outside of Jordan and Lebron, not sure we've ever seen a better peak than this. Joker is destined for top-10 all time. He just needs another ring or two to cement it. Problem is I don't think his supporting cast is good enough to win another one right now, especially with Murray regressing this season. That team falls apart anytime he goes to the bench, much like Spurs with Wemby.

Denver FO should be tried for war crimes if they don't win at least 3 rings with Jokic. This is turning out to be an all-time choke job by their FO if they don't win this year.

If Jokic wins 3 (or 2 chips and say 5 MVPs) we're going to have uncomfortable discussions when people start bumping Timmy off for Jokic :lol Hell even now people are starting to say this and it doesnt sound THAT far off tbh

[BatManu20]

If this dude ends up being a player, it's going to be another guy we passed on for that 2031 Minnesota pick. As a backup Center too, a position we desperately need, no less.

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[Pauleta14]

Only PATFO robbed Wemby (of already 1 ASG, 1 DPOY and 1 ASG start)

It makes sense with the Spurs's ranking. The others have a status Wemby doesn't have and deserve it.

[Pauleta14]

No idea why so many journalists want SGA MVP when Jokic is 10x more VALUABLE for his team than Shay

[100%duncan]

Only PATFO robbed Wemby (of already 1 ASG, 1 DPOY and 1 ASG start)

It makes sense with the Spurs's ranking. The others have a status Wemby doesn't have and deserve it.

Wemby should've gotten the fan vote over KD. He should have had San Antonio and France behind him plus the other casual and bandwagon fans. Too bad Spurs fans think that the "all star game" is not "the spurs way" and spurs players "should be above it." This only works when you have a boring ass personality franchise guy in Timmy (no offense obviously) and you're winning chips every other year. Not in 2025 and certainly not with young superstars in this age.


Hell I was voting with 2 accounts.

[BatManu20]

Denver FO should be tried for war crimes if they don't win at least 3 rings with Jokic. This is turning out to be an all-time choke job by their FO if they don't win this year.

If Jokic wins 3 (or 2 chips and say 5 MVPs) we're going to have uncomfortable discussions when people start bumping Timmy off for Jokic :lol Hell even now people are starting to say this and it doesnt sound THAT far off tbh

I mean they did a solid job surrounding him with role players initially imo. Drafting or bringing in guys like Murray, Gordon, MPJ, KCP, etc. Problem is:

A.) They lost KCP in Free Agency which was big and then didn't replace him with a viable starter, and

B.) They gave Jamal Murray that huge $208M extension after their Championship run and he immediately regressed lol.

Hopefully he regains form cause otherwise they're cooked. He's getting paid like a Max guy and not producing like one, and they really don't have much Cap flexibility right now with those two guys locked up. They're stuck in cap hell right now.

[BatManu20]

I know he won't do it, but if I were Harden, I would take a pay-cut to go ring chase and play with Joker next season tbh. He's a FA, they need another scoring guard, and Joker makes everyone around him so much better. Would give him by far his best chance at ringing before he retires.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby should've gotten the fan vote over KD. He should have had San Antonio and France behind him plus the other casual and bandwagon fans. Too bad Spurs fans think that the "all star game" is not "the spurs way" and spurs players "should be above it." This only works when you have a boring ass personality franchise guy in Timmy (no offense obviously) and you're winning chips every other year. Not in 2025 and certainly not with young superstars in this age.


Hell I was voting with 2 accounts.

KD is a legend of the game man. I wished as well Wemby had won over him (and Lerbon who's less deserving imo) but he's playing in SA who did the strict minimum since they draft him in terms of marketing and making the team attractive to the fans.

Had PATFO built not necessarily a contending team but just a slightly better roster Wemby would have been a no brainer.

Right now u have to be a Spurs fan to watch the Spurs.

[Pauleta14]

I know he won't do it, but if I were Harden, I would take a pay-cut to go ring chase and play with Joker next season tbh. He's a FA, they need another scoring guard, and Joker makes everyone around him so much better. Would give him by far his best chance at ringing before he retires.

Clippers have the better coach. It'd make more sense the other way around but Jokic isn't going anywhere imo

[ambchang]

Agreed tbh. Outside of Jordan and Lebron, not sure we've ever seen a better peak than this. Joker is destined for top-10 all time. He just needs another ring or two to cement it. Problem is I don't think his supporting cast is good enough to win another one right now, especially with Murray regressing this season. That team falls apart anytime he goes to the bench, much like Spurs with Wemby.

I already have Jokic at top 10, and he once again reinforces that using rings as a predominant measure to determine a player's ranking is inaccurate and mixes up team construction with individual brilliance. He's won 3 out of the last 4 (really should have been 4 straight) MVPs, carried a flawed Nuggets team to a title, putting up absolutely unprecendented numbers across the board, and even his lack of defensive game has been largely debunked.

Yes, he is right at his prime and his career advanced stats will drop, but at this point, he is the career leader in PER, WS/48, OBPM, and BPM. He has an on-off of over 20 2 years in a row and is doing it again this year.

As for team construction:
Jordan had Pippen (another top 25/30 player)
Lebron had Wade/Irving (one top 30, the other top 75)
Bird had McHale (top 35)
Magic had Kareem and vice versa, plus Worthy (top 10 and top 50)
Duncan had Robinson/Manu/Parker (top 25 even at tail end, and top 75)
Hakeem had Clyde (tail end) and a bunch of 3 point shooters
Wilt had West/Baylor (top 30) or Billy Cunningham/Chet Walker (top 75s)
Shaq had Kobe (top 20)
Moses had Dr. J (top 20)
Then Jokic had ..... Jamal Murray?

[KingKev]

Lamelo Ball got snubbed hard also.

[ambchang]

You know why Lebron and Curry is still so high in rankings despite being clearly over the hill?

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The top videos were basically all Lebron-related (or straight out Lebron), Kobe or Curry ones. Sure those were good plays, great plays even, but should they have been that dominant in the list? I don't fully agree.

There were multiple mundane regular season game winning plays, but then Manu's series clinching block on Harden didn't make it, nor did his block on Durant. Horry's three to win in overtime of a pivotal game 5 of the finals was somehow less spectacular than his Game 4 game winning 3 vs. the Kings in the WCF.

Jokic himself should have at least 5 or 6 highlights in there with some of his insane passes and touch shots, but alas, none of them made it.


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This is to a lesser extent, but Manu's dunk over the entire Suns team didn't make it.

Duncan's annihilation of Ben Wallace didn't make it, nor did his inbounds alley oop over the Bucks made it.

The NBA reaped what it sowed, decades of pushing only a small number of teams/players, and when those teams/players hit a lull, small market teams can't flourish.

[LeBowen]

I try to watch some games every night I'm at home, but it's been like 5 years since I watched the all-star game.
The definition of unwatchable and there's nothing that can save it.

They can try to bring back the competitiveness in dunk contests and that's about it.
3pt competition has been the only somewhat entertaining event over the past years.

It's better that Wemby didn't get selected as a starter, will just give him extra motivation.

[Mr. Body]

Lamelo Ball got snubbed hard also.

He's the most casual of casual players. If you think he's an all star you don't know a thing about the game and should just go watch Fast and Furious movies for the rest of your life.

[itzsoweezee]

I mean they did a solid job surrounding him with role players initially imo. Drafting or bringing in guys like Murray, Gordon, MPJ, KCP, etc. Problem is:

A.) They lost KCP in Free Agency which was big and then didn't replace him with a viable starter, and

B.) They gave Jamal Murray that huge $208M extension after their Championship run and he immediately regressed lol.

Hopefully he regains form cause otherwise they're cooked. He's getting paid like a Max guy and not producing like one, and they really don't have much Cap flexibility right now with those two guys locked up. They're stuck in cap hell right now.

They’ve had a lot of more screw ups than that. It’s the worst combination of cheap ownership and poor decisions by the front office.

[Pauleta14]

Lamelo Ball got snubbed hard also.

Main reason he was ahead was because he was top of the list of guards to choose.

Fans from the West often just mechanically choose in the East after selecting the players that matter to them

(added to his own fanbase of course)

[spurraider21]

Denver FO should be tried for war crimes if they don't win at least 3 rings with Jokic. This is turning out to be an all-time choke job by their FO if they don't win this year.

If Jokic wins 3 (or 2 chips and say 5 MVPs) we're going to have uncomfortable discussions when people start bumping Timmy off for Jokic :lol Hell even now people are starting to say this and it doesnt sound THAT far off tbh
i dno about blaming their FO. their roster now isnt tremendously different from the title roster. they lost kcp, but braun has stepped in nicely. they lost bruce brown as the swiss army knife in the backcourt, but tbh westbrook has been very good this year and better than brown ever was for them

strawther has come along nicely

their FRP daron holmes (a relatively pro ready 3 year college player) was lost before the season started

and i dno if you can blame FO for murray's decline at 27 years old (he has bounced back of late). gordon/mpj/murray/jokic are all in the midst of what are the typical prime years of a player. teams have limited ways to improve while holding 4 such players

[LeBowen]

They were stuck in a lose/lose situation with Murray extension.
Wouldn't have gotten anything useful for him if they didn't extend him, but this deal is a huge overpay.

Failing to get better bench pieces is the big issue.
They have Saric's corpse 10/2 contract and Nnaji got 32/4.
Both are out of the rotaion.
Westbrook was Jokic's doing, Booth would've never gotten him if Jokic didn't ask for Russ.

To put things into perspective how good Jokic is, just look at 21-22 season.
Murray was out with ACL injury, MPJ went down after 9 games.
Jokic's only good teammate that year was Gordon.

The rest of the supporting cast that played more than 500 minutes that season was as follows:
Will Barton, Monte Morris, Jeff Green, Austin Rivers, Bones Hyland, Facundo Campazzo, JaMychal Green, Zeke Nnaji, Davon Reed, Bryn Forbes.
Jokic won 48 games with that rotation.

Everyone on that list was out of the league or catching DNPs in 2024 except Jeff Green.
That's what Jokic is dealing with for years.
They still can't get a useful backup big after all these years, Deandre is playing 12mpg this season, ffs.

Yes, players like Braun, Watson and Strawhter look good, but only because of Jokic.
It's embarrassing that by far the best player in the league can't have a half decent supporting cast.
Just think of our recent matchups with them, everyone except MPJ was awful.

[scott]

It's embarrassing that by far the best player in the league can't have a half decent supporting cast.


I think you just figured out who's blueprint the Spurs are following :lol

[DAF86]

I think you just figured out who's blueprint the Spurs are following :lol

I always thought the Nuggets and Malone in particular took a page out of the Spurs book.

For what is worth, I expect Murray to get back to his level and Denver to be a real contender for the Championship. I remember when Tony and Manu would get in slumps and people here would be calling for them to get traded, only for the Spurs to stay the course, don't do anything drastic and eventually collect championships.

[KingKev]

He's the most casual of casual players. If you think he's an all star you don't know a thing about the game and should just go watch Fast and Furious movies for the rest of your life.

For east guards: 1st in fan vote, 3rd player vote, 7th media vote

29p/7a/5r are pretty monstrous numbers despite being on a losing team. Guess who else is putting up fantastic numbers on a loser?

I know it has been a tough week for you with the cancellation of those DEI mandates just as you were finishing your transition to Misses Body but I hope you and your community see the value in returning to a merit based world.

[timtonymanu]

He's the most casual of casual players. If you think he's an all star you don't know a thing about the game and should just go watch Fast and Furious movies for the rest of your life.

That’s cute coming from a guy that likes scrubs like Tre Jones, Primo, and Branham.

[Mr. Body]

That’s cute coming from a guy that likes scrubs like Tre Jones, Primo, and Branham.

The fuck you talking about.

[scott]

Per Shams: Heat have now suspended Jimmy Butler indefinitely. :lol

[KingKev]

Butler really costing himself big bucks. Good for the Heat for having balls.

[mo7888]

I think the Bulls should offer Lonzo + Williams + salary filler for Butler. It could cost them their pick to us this year, but they'd clear Williams salary. I don't know what the heat would say, but I'd put it on the table to see if they have anything better. LAVINE + Butler would be interesting.

[ace3g]

Good to know it isn't always the Spurs this happens to.

8:14 - 4th





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CHI
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[ace3g]

Dillon Brooks 10-15 from 3 tonight

https://x.com/bballbreakdown/status/1884071826294464662

[z0sa]

Fuck Dildo Brooks

[scott]

Good finish in Boston. Sengun embarasses Kornet on an inbounds play to take the lead, but Tatum blows past Amen (even good defenders get beat) to tie it up with 5 second to play.

[scott]

Amen Thompson game winner. Career high 33 for Amen.

[scott]

Amen Thompson game winner. Career high 33 for Amen.

Not sure if I would trade Sochan for him though

[mo7888]

Not sure if I would trade Sochan for him though

:bobo

[SpursBills]

Kel'el Ware actually having no motor issues and morphing into some Jarett Allen-Chet Holmgren hybrid was not on my bingo card for this season. He's got 19 on 7/8 shooting (4/4 from 3) tonight.

If anybody was actually high on him last season (I don't remember anybody here pushing hard for him tbh), talk your shit now

[spurs1990]

Anyone paying attention to Houston? Three seasons at the very bottom of the league, and then seemingly out of nowhere one of the best teams in the nation

[heyheymymy]

Grreat night for the Spurs with CHI beating DEN and ATL losing to MIN!

Hawks L4

[onechance87]

Kel'el Ware actually having no motor issues and morphing into some Jarett Allen-Chet Holmgren hybrid was not on my bingo card for this season. He's got 19 on 7/8 shooting (4/4 from 3) tonight.

If anybody was actually high on him last season (I don't remember anybody here pushing hard for him tbh), talk your shit now

i wanted one of the bigs last draft...All of this years bigs seem to be doing good.Our front office is so shit.

[scott]

Anyone paying attention to Houston? Three seasons at the very bottom of the league, and then seemingly out of nowhere one of the best teams in the nation

They made a conscious decision last season to bring in some higher level vets (even overpaying them to do so), and it's paid off big time. Folks were saying we were one-year behind them in our rebuild, but to be honest I think we are further back than that. I don't foresee us being a Top-2 team in the West this time next year.

[LeBowen]

They made a conscious decision last season to bring in some higher level vets (even overpaying them to do so), and it's paid off big time. Folks were saying we were one-year behind them in our rebuild, but to be honest I think we are further back than that. I don't foresee us being a Top-2 team in the West this time next year.

We're further behind because of two things: coaching and defense.
They're not good offensively, but don't have any awful defenders like we do and Udoka is obviously the biggest difference maker.
Damn, how did we miss out on him.

[Pauleta14]

We're further behind because of two things: coaching and defense.
They're not good offensively, but don't have any awful defenders like we do and Udoka is obviously the biggest difference maker.
Damn, how did we miss out on him.

They also have a huge density of talents compared to the Spurs's roster.

So much so that they can't even use Reed who'd be playing for many teams, our included.

But I agree coaching is the key as always, any team always ends up at the image of their coach. That's the reason I've been high of the rockettes since last season despite being laughed at by most on ST

Spurs are playing like a bunch of rookies, like their coach

[Mr. Body]

How many top lottery draft picks does Houston have? Like five?

[Mr. Body]

Just, like... They're ahead of us because they have years of draft picks. We have two top four picks. Two. Settle the fuck down.

[KingKev]

Just, like... They're ahead of us because they have years of draft picks. We have two top four picks. Two. Settle the fuck down.

How much would you pay for a signed and soiled, game worn pair of Coach Pop’s depends? I’ll buy them for you so you can sniff in privacy:

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