Around the League / Regular Season Thread (Upstairs Version)

[Mugen]

Bronny starting tonight tbh? :wow

[Mugen]

Man, what I wouldn't give to have DWhite's gigantic fivehead back on the team tbh.

[Rubberducky]

Celtics on pace for 60 3 point attempts.

[ace3g]

Maybe the Nets knew Bridges was going to change his jumpshot before the trade.

[spurraider21]

Mikal Fultz looks like he needs 2 factor authentication to get a shot off

[poopbox]

Embiid already missing games :lol

PG already hurt :lol

Clippers east :lol

[scott]

New Look Knicks not looking too hot so far.

Will be curious to see what the Katless Wolves look like. I think it will be addition by subtraction.

[Mugen]

Yeah, Boston is gonna sleepwalk to the Finals :lol

[Mugen]

Embiid already missing games :lol

PG already hurt :lol

Clippers east :lol

Middleton also already hurt for the Bucks...

Thibbs will undoubtedly run his guys to the ground by the 2nd round....

As long as everybody outside of Porzingis is healthy, Celtics should cake walk to the Finals again tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Boston is obviously very good but man I can't stand watching them. Just a three point spamfest

[spurraider21]

New Look Knicks not looking too hot so far.

Will be curious to see what the Katless Wolves look like. I think it will be addition by subtraction.
Mikal's shot is broken. they really better hope for their sake that this is just a blip and he'll bounce back, because they desperately need his offensive production

Hart is a really fun role player but he's not really creating on offense these days and shot poorly last year

OG is also a really good role player but he's not creating offense

its really just Brunson and KAT for the knicks, who lost a lot of their depth in the last year with all the consolidation trades theyve made. Quickley, Barrett, Grimes, Randle, DiVincenzo, Bogdonavic, Fournier. lost hartenstein to free agency. now mitchell robinson is hurt again.

[spurraider21]

last year they were one of the deepest teams in the league. right now their bench is miles mcbride (playing well today) and cameron payne :lol

[Mugen]

Boston is obviously very good but man I can't stand watching them. Just a three point spamfest

The alternative is the BWrong special where your best shooter is Julian Champagnie tbh :lol

[objective]

What's the main thing that Boston reporters guesting on podcasts have stressed as most vital to Derrick White's Boston success?

Having a coach who believes in him.

Sad.

[CGD]

Celtics on pace for 60 3 point attempts.

This will be the season that tests fans’ patience with the over use on the 3 ball. Something has to change in my view.

[lefty]

Mikal Fultz looks like he needs 2 factor authentication to get a shot off
:lmao

[lefty]

This will be the season that tests fans’ patience with the over use on the 3 ball. Something has to change in my view.

not gonna change
people need to stop trying to live in the past

[CGD]

not gonna change
people need to stop trying to live in the past

Thank God we have Wemby. It’s kinda making for a boring product.

[Mugen]

Thank God we have Wemby. It’s kinda making for a boring product.

Wemby is one of the worst culprits at chucking up 3s that have no business being chucked up tbh :lol

[Mugen]

Tyler Kolek would have been a nice end of bench guy for this team. Wish he fell a pick later so BWrong could have traded his rights tbh.

[twodeep]

What's funny the biggest rule change that kind of kicked off the three point era and changed the game was the handcheck rule change in 2004/05 thats when offenses started to change it was a big change to the game and how defense is played now vs then

[Seventyniner]

not gonna change
people need to stop trying to live in the past

It will change if enough fans are turned off by it, but not until then.

[exstatic]

What's funny the biggest rule change that kind of kicked off the three point era and changed the game was the handcheck rule change in 2004/05 thats when offenses started to change it was a big change to the game and how defense is played now vs then

That’s not it. The 2015 rule change that kicked off the three point era was no fighting through screens. That made EVERYTHING a switch, and killed or at least crippled the center position.

[NASpurs]

Watching Bronny play makes me glad we're not running a make a wish foundation over here... /s

[lefty]

Thank God we have Wemby. It’s kinda making for a boring product.
product isn’t boring at all

Playoffs were great last season especially in the West

[lefty]

It will change if enough fans are turned off by it, but not until then.
no, more 3s = more points and most fans love that

[Mr. Body]

What's funny the biggest rule change that kind of kicked off the three point era and changed the game was the handcheck rule change in 2004/05 thats when offenses started to change it was a big change to the game and how defense is played now vs then

That and making moving screens entirely legal. Big man screens, then starts moving into the defender so the defender can't get around him. Somehow that's legal. Also the step-backs and side-steps that previous eras would have called travels. Nowadays you can not be dribbling, step way to the side and shoot and somehow that's not a travel.

[Pauleta14]

product isn’t boring at all

Playoffs were great last season especially in the West

That was the weakest POs in decades bro :lol

Ridicuous low IQ and tactics, iso ball and immature teams in building mode, not there yet.

East was the worst with too many injuries and Boston having the easiest path the the title in recent memory.

I'm optimistic tho, it'll get better once the Lebron and Co leave bc we're in a transition period and a new generation is coming up.

[John B]

Boston is obviously very good but man I can't stand watching them. Just a three point spamfest

They are converting off assists, 33 assists last night and 47% 3 pt shooting. They’re moving the ball and finding easy open shots.

[Mr. Body]

That was the weakest POs in decades bro :lol

Ridicuous low IQ and tactics, iso ball and immature teams in building mode, not there yet.

East was the worst with too many injuries and Boston having the easiest path the the title in recent memory.

I'm optimistic tho, it'll get better once the Lebron and Co leave bc we're in a transition period and a new generation is coming up.

The playoffs last year were awful.

The year before was great because Denver that year was fun and we got to see Miami come out of nowhere.

Boston is one of the worst teams to watch I've seen in a while. Boring as shit.

[Mr. Body]

Boston managed to make the least multi-dimensional 'stars' we've ever seen into really effective players, but it's the league rules and the fact that the league is filled with nothing more than above average teams that would get slaughtered in most other eras.

[poopbox]

Boston managed to make the least multi-dimensional 'stars' we've ever seen into really effective players, but it's the league rules and the fact that the league is filled with nothing more than above average teams that would get slaughtered in most other eras.

Those other teams from other era's would get slaughtered if they had to play todays nba team with today's rules because none of those old teams had near enough shooting to keep up.

[Pauleta14]

The playoffs last year were awful.

The year before was great because Denver that year was fun and we got to see Miami come out of nowhere.

Boston is one of the worst teams to watch I've seen in a while. Boring as shit.

I'm talking sticktly bb

Entertainment wise the 1st round was fun and then a couple games and that's it

The league is getting so much younger and teams give the keys to much younger/not there yet players that it's hard to expect much quality. Especially if you add a lot of roster turnovers.

Not surprising Boston dominated with a higher IQ and team bb than average, it gives me hope for the Spurs, except for Okc we can dominate again in a short future imo

[Pauleta14]

Those other teams from other era's would get slaughtered if they had to play todays nba team with today's rules because none of those old teams had near enough shooting to keep up.

You think the Kobe Lakers, Nash Suns, Big 3 Spurs etc wouldn't match??

+ What you give up somewhere you gain elsewhere, this is the weakest Big man era of all time, post up game and bbiq at it's lowest if you compare other eras.

If bigs weren't shooting 3s, they were still were mobile and would destroy the paint nowadays.

[Mr. Body]

Those other teams from other era's would get slaughtered if they had to play todays nba team with today's rules because none of those old teams had near enough shooting to keep up.

Right. What we're seeing now isn't real basketball. It's a set of rules designed to coddle offenses and appeal to little kids and casuals. Put any of these teams against truly great teams of other eras with real rules and they'd get absolutely destroyed.

[lefty]

That was the weakest POs in decades bro :lol

Ridicuous low IQ and tactics, iso ball and immature teams in building mode, not there yet.

East was the worst with too many injuries and Boston having the easiest path the the title in recent memory.

I'm optimistic tho, it'll get better once the Lebron and Co leave bc we're in a transition period and a new generation is coming up.
I meant if was entertaining :lol
Yeah too much iso ball last year, especially Antman and Jalen

[lefty]

Those other teams from other era's would get slaughtered if they had to play todays nba team with today's rules because none of those old teams had near enough shooting to keep up.
Fact
and they wouldn’t be able to cover a lot of ground and swith on both ends like today’s players do

And the league is more talented from top to bottom today, that’s not an opinion it’s a fact

The NBA is even considering expansion to dilute the league a little bit

[itzsoweezee]

It’s just one game, but damn, Randle doesn’t fit with the Wolves at all. I never really watched him play before, but he played with almost zero effort on both sides of the court (at least when the ball isn’t in his hands). Knicks fans are saying this is just who he is. If that’s the case, it’s going to be a long season for wolves’ fans.

[Mr. Body]

Fact
and they wouldn’t be able to cover a lot of ground and swith on both ends like today’s players do

And the league is more talented from top to bottom today, that’s not an opinion it’s a fact


lol, no. This is what little children say.

Players nowadays are barely skilled. Can they hit jump shots? Yes. That's pretty much the only thing they can do. Barely any of them can dribble, much less execute anything beyond swinging the ball to the perimeter. No ability to break down defenses or make significant reads. The officials do most of the work for them.

It's amazing how stupid people can be about skill levels. It's just dumb to think these players now have any variable skillsets whatsoever.

[ambchang]

Fact
and they wouldn’t be able to cover a lot of ground and swith on both ends like today’s players do

And the league is more talented from top to bottom today, that’s not an opinion it’s a fact

The NBA is even considering expansion to dilute the league a little bit

I know. When the spurs have juggernauts like Maliki Braham off the bench.

[poopbox]

You think the Kobe Lakers, Nash Suns, Big 3 Spurs etc wouldn't match??

+ What you give up somewhere you gain elsewhere, this is the weakest Big man era of all time, post up game and bbiq at it's lowest if you compare other eras.

If bigs weren't shooting 3s, they were still were mobile and would destroy the paint nowadays.

Maybe nash suns and the 2012 - 2014 spurs could stand a chance. Other old time teams just don't play fast enough or shoot enough 3's to keep up.

The slowest teams in todays nba as far as pace play faster than the fastest teams from the 2000 and most of them from the 2010's.

Those teams just literally wouldn't be able to get shots up fast enough and make enough of them to compete with even someone like the sacramento kings, let alone boston or dallas.

Imagine a team with Shaq and Kobe on it consistently trying to shoot AT LEAST 30 three's a game.

[CGD]

product isn’t boring at all

Playoffs were great last season especially in the West

Were they? It was really just the darling Knicks story in the first round and DEN-MIN semifinals series. And that MIN series had a few turds in it too.

It was actually pretty weak

[LeBowen]

Were they? It was really just the darling Knicks story in the first round and DEN-MIN semifinals series. And that MIN series had a few turds in it too.

It was actually pretty weak


https://i.imgur.com/WX6jNe0.png

OKC-NOLA was boring.
Watching Suns get swept was top entertainment, tbh.
Same goes for Lakers being unable to get over the hump even though they were close in every game.
Mavs-Clippers would've been great if not for nephew doing his thing.
East got ruined by injuries, Sixers-Knicks was great.

Second round had three great series.
Conference finals were a disappointment, as were the finals even though Mavs losing is always a good watch.

Obviously there were better years, but I'd say playoffs were solid.
Yeah, you can say it's kind of pointless that early rounds are entertaining if you know who's going to come out on top in the end, but that applies to most seasons, tbh.


Maybe nash suns and the 2012 - 2014 spurs could stand a chance. Other old time teams just don't play fast enough or shoot enough 3's to keep up.

The slowest teams in todays nba as far as pace play faster than the fastest teams from the 2000 and most of them from the 2010's.

Those teams just literally wouldn't be able to get shots up fast enough and make enough of them to compete with even someone like the sacramento kings, let alone boston or dallas.

Imagine a team with Shaq and Kobe on it consistently trying to shoot AT LEAST 30 three's a game.

It's all about refereeing.
Allow Shaq to bulldoze everyone and teams run out of bigs to throw at him.

For every high volume 3pt game that pays off, there are a handful where chucking teams look like idiots. Even Celtics had way too many of those in the playoffs, where they just almost chucked their way out of it.

[spurraider21]

Sengun bullying Charlotte and Thompson just flying around all over the place

[Mr. Body]

Charlotte looks like trash.

[spurraider21]

Charlotte looks like trash.
houston is just overwhelming them. im not sure why miller has been planted on the bench though. only 10 minutes played as we close the first half.

feels lucky they're only down 11. houston is just coming in waves. dominating on the glass. bridges has played poorly and cody martin seems to have quite the expanded role for whatever reason

lamelo looks great though

[Mr. Body]

houston is just overwhelming them. im not sure why miller has been planted on the bench though. only 10 minutes played as we close the first half.

feels lucky they're only down 11. houston is just coming in waves. dominating on the glass. bridges has played poorly and cody martin seems to have quite the expanded role for whatever reason

lamelo looks great though

I think Ball looks awful, tbh. The shots he takes aren't even high school level. Just doesn't understand how to play in a system or doesn't care.

Not sure what's up about Miller. Charlotte just has no talent and Ball is a non-serious basketball player.

Houston needs to figure out a direction soon. It has system players and iso players. Clearly way more talent than Charlotte and play more cohesively.

[baseline bum]

Ouch, looks like that's it for Wiseman's career; probably just tore his achilles and has no guaranteed money for next season.

1849234041632899232


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pG2Rau9T6o

[CGD]

Ouch, looks like that's it for Wiseman's career; probably just tore his achilles and has no guaranteed money for next season.

1849234041632899232


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pG2Rau9T6o

Good thing he robbed GWG for 4 years

[scott]

Onyeka Okongwu looking like prime Shaq out there for ATL

[Kevin]

Onyeka Okongwu looking like prime Shaq out there for ATL

Dyson Daniel’s looks nice too. Hawks built a decent squad around Trae Young. They look like a playoff team playing in the east.

[Joseph Kony]

props to spurraider21 for posting that thread awhile back about voting for Tatum's shoes or whatever it was during the allstar game to get a free year of league pass. Never had it before. nice to be able to switch between every game

[Joseph Kony]

Charlotte taking the late against Houston on the road . rockets choking an 18 point lead :lol

[Robz4000]

props to spurraider21 for posting that thread awhile back about voting for Tatum's shoes or whatever it was during the allstar game to get a free year of league pass. Never had it before. nice to be able to switch between every game

Sad I missed it tbh.

[Joseph Kony]

Sad I missed it tbh.
NBA made a mistake, they realized it pretty quick and nixed the promo, think it only worked for like an hour or two after he originally posted it :lol

[Robz4000]

NBA made a mistake, they realized it pretty quick and nixed the promo, think it only worked for like an hour or two after he originally posted it :lol

I remember the thread, just happened to arrive late to the party :lol. Wonder how many people lost their job over it tbh...

[scott]

Hornets pull off the dub, despite forgetting Brandon Miller is on their team. (Actually, I'm assuming he got hurt?)

[SpursFan86]

Rockets choking and gifting Charlotte a win in their own stadium. Couldn’t ask for a better start to the season tbh :lol

[td4mvp2k]

rockets :lmao

[Robz4000]

:lol if the Hornets pick actually ends up conveying

[DAF86]

:lol if the Hornets pick actually ends up conveying

What's the protection?

[Robz4000]

What's the protection?

Lottery protected unfortunately

[DAF86]

Lottery protected unfortunately

We just need Lonzo to stay healthy.

[Mr. Body]

Lol how did the Rox lose that game? Charlotte has to be one of the stupidest teams we've seen in a while. LaMello jacked two deep threes out of rhythm as the game was close. One smacked off the backboard so hard it rebounded to him for a layup. The other he hit, but what a horrible shot to take. If he misses, that game's different. Grant Williams fouls JSJ on a three for no fucking reason when they're up five.

Just unbelievably dumb team. Still, managed to win. Somehow.

Rockets, just one game but there are some warning signs I'm delighted to say. Their two chuckers in FVV and Jalen Green don't match with post-em-up Sengun. Jabari Smith is a nonentity on offense. Their bench other than Amen Thompson was terrible.

Losing to this Hornets team especially up 18 is shocking. Hope it lasts.

[Chinook]

Edey's going to have to adjust to the NBA. He fouled out in 15 minutes.

[DAF86]

Edey's going to have to adjust to the NBA. He fouled out in 15 minutes.

lol

[Robz4000]

Dejounte broke his hand tonight apparently.

[Chinook]

Dejounte broke his hand tonight apparently.

Rumor has it he was typing an IG message and pressed the Shift key too hard.

[DPG21920]

Hornets pull off the dub, despite forgetting Brandon Miller is on their team. (Actually, I'm assuming he got hurt?)

Ya - Miller got hurt. Not sure extent but he was on bench rooting so dont think its too bad?

[Raven]

Edey's going to have to adjust to the NBA. He fouled out in 15 minutes.

was interesting to say the least.. sometimes getting doubled in the post and absolutely bullying the opposition, on the other side though he was nowhere near getting a block

[spurraider21]

Lamelo puts up an efficient 34/8/11 line with only 2 turnovers in a game where most of the hornets were a mess and Mr body just complains about a couple of ill-advised shots he took in the first half :lol

[Mr. Body]

Lamelo puts up an efficient 34/8/11 line with only 2 turnovers in a game where most of the hornets were a mess and Mr body just complains about a couple of ill-advised shots he took in the first half :lol

Man, don't take this the wrong way, but if you're watching LaMello Ball and think you're watching a smart basketball player, I don't know what to tell you. He'll have one game where things work and then he'll have three where he's absolute shit -- except for morons who don't know what they're looking at like you -- and lose games. His shot selection and decision making is fucking abominable.

Fucking learn basketball.

[poopbox]

Edey got ran off the floor by Utah. Looked like a giant deer in headlights on defense. I wonder how long they go with him as a starter before pulling the plug.

[onechance87]

Lamelo puts up an efficient 34/8/11 line with only 2 turnovers in a game where most of the hornets were a mess and Mr body just complains about a couple of ill-advised shots he took in the first half :lol

why didnt salaun play

[spurraider21]

Dyson Daniels was a menace today… if the hawks can move Hunter for some value they could be cooking

[spurraider21]

Man, don't take this the wrong way, but if you're watching LaMello Ball and think you're watching a smart basketball player, I don't know what to tell you. He'll have one game where things work and then he'll have three where he's absolute shit -- except for morons who don't know what they're looking at like you -- and lose games. His shot selection and decision making is fucking abominable.

Fucking learn basketball.
He’s one of the most talented passers in the league, is a good shooter, gets to the rim with his handling. No he’s not the highest iq player out there but he’s both talented and productive.

[rascal]

last year they were one of the deepest teams in the league. right now their bench is miles mcbride (playing well today) and cameron payne :lol

Celtics don't have anything off the bench either.

[timtonymanu]

Watching scoot Henderson on the blazers and im just thinking if spurs missed out on Wemby and took him instead.

[lefty20]

Harden did not want that W. Missed the shot in regulation. Missed the FT to tie it on OT. Turned it over to seal the L.

Bro trying his best to get OKC top pick.

[lefty]

lol, no. This is what little children say.

Players nowadays are barely skilled. Can they hit jump shots? Yes. That's pretty much the only thing they can do. Barely any of them can dribble, much less execute anything beyond swinging the ball to the perimeter. No ability to break down defenses or make significant reads. The officials do most of the work for them.

It's amazing how stupid people can be about skill levels. It's just dumb to think these players now have any variable skillsets whatsoever.

terrible take, clearly you don’t watch any game

What kind of nostalgia bubble do you live in? :lol

[timtonymanu]

Of course he doesn’t like LaMelo either. :lol

Mrs. Body only makes excuses for them if they’re shitty G league scrubs with marginal talent.not even worth it like bene said.

[Pauleta14]

Maybe nash suns and the 2012 - 2014 spurs could stand a chance. Other old time teams just don't play fast enough or shoot enough 3's to keep up.

The slowest teams in todays nba as far as pace play faster than the fastest teams from the 2000 and most of them from the 2010's.

Those teams just literally wouldn't be able to get shots up fast enough and make enough of them to compete with even someone like the sacramento kings, let alone boston or dallas.

Imagine a team with Shaq and Kobe on it consistently trying to shoot AT LEAST 30 three's a game.

POs bb is much slower and tactical than RS and great teams know how to impose THEIR tempo.

What they'd give up in 3s they take back in the paint and with a MUCH higher IQ than this childish generation.

I genuinely don't understand how and why so many are overrating this era tbh, maybe recency bias, but the drop is massive compared to a couple decades ago IMHO.

[Pauleta14]

He’s one of the most talented passers in the league, is a good shooter, gets to the rim with his handling. No he’s not the highest iq player out there but he’s both talented and productive.

Highly talented and entertaining but can you build a contender around him?

To me he's in the Westbrook, Harden ... group. Too cynical, to individual to be a leader

[lefty20]

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[Maddog]

Watching scoot Henderson on the blazers and im just thinking if spurs missed out on Wemby and took him instead.

Shows you what I know about drafting- or to some extent what a crap shoot it is- I had serious doubts about Miller and so far he's clearly a better choice than Scoot.
Still early

[spurraider21]

Highly talented and entertaining but can you build a contender around him?

To me he's in the Westbrook, Harden ... group. Too cynical, to individual to be a leader
i mean, maybe. but those guys have led teams to playoff runs.

[Pauleta14]

i mean, maybe. but those guys have led teams to playoff runs.

And he could too and he can also change.

Tbh I get it, they play the (business) game at their advantage in a league where your career earnings are based on individual performances.

That's also why we need to appreciate when some kids from this generation like Wemby has "old school"/team mindset.

[lefty]

POs bb is much slower and tactical than RS and great teams know how to impose THEIR tempo.

What they'd give up in 3s they take back in the paint and with a MUCH higher IQ than this childish generation.

I genuinely don't understand how and why so many are overrating this era tbh, maybe recency bias, but the drop is massive compared to a couple decades ago IMHO.

the 90s is the most overrated era
Diluted league woth shitty scrubs, and basic offensive and defensive schemes
IQ? lol you have to rewatch those games, IQ wasn’t any higher

It’s hard to watch

nostalgia smh

[spurraider21]

And he could too and he can also change.

Tbh I get it, they play the (business) game at their advantage in a league where your career earnings are based on individual performances.

That's also why we need to appreciate when some kids from this generation like Wemby has "old school"/team mindset.
for the spurs purposes, all we need lamelo to do is get the hornets into the playoffs this year so we can get their pick. whether he's the guy to eventually give that franchise a trophy is a different question

[Dex]

Leaked "In Season Tournament" court designs:

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[spurraider21]

the bright colored ones are an eyesore on TV

[heyheymymy]

yeah last year the red color courts were making my eyes bleed

[Pauleta14]

the 90s is the most overrated era
Diluted league woth shitty scrubs, and basic offensive and defensive schemes
IQ? lol you have to rewatch those games, IQ wasn’t any higher

It’s hard to watch

nostalgia smh

I might be a bit nostalgic/biased, but I have a nuanced view of the comparisons between eras.

Add/tolerate physicality and you change the whole equation for ex. As great as Curry is, he wouldn't have had the same career in the 90'

Change the way refs call (publically admitted by Adam Silver) and you paticipate in the inflation of scoring (yes, 3pts era as well)

When I talk about bbiq, it's actually too vague so I understand ur reaction, it's more targetted and I was for ex thinking of Bigs game that maybe progressed on the perimeter but lost a lot of in terms of fundamentals in the post (the bbiq I was reff to).
Just watch today's bigs, most would be destroyed by Hakeem in the post just with his technique. Barkley was more adapted to today's game almost with his mobility

I agree on the backcourt evolution tho, even if talent is talent and most would have worked on their 3pts game.

[LeBowen]

It was way more difficult for first options back in the day because role players were way worse on offense and it was way easier to focus on just one or two threats.
As for the rules, I posted this video before, but imo is well worth a watch for any basketball fan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IPXSqOhykg

[lefty]

I might be a bit nostalgic/biased, but I have a nuanced view of the comparisons between eras.

Add/tolerate physicality and you change the whole equation for ex. As great as Curry is, he wouldn't have had the same career in the 90'

Change the way refs call (publically admitted by Adam Silver) and you paticipate in the inflation of scoring (yes, 3pts era as well)

When I talk about bbiq, it's actually too vague so I understand ur reaction, it's more targetted and I was for ex thinking of Bigs game that maybe progressed on the perimeter but lost a lot of in terms of fundamentals in the post (the bbiq I was reff to).
Just watch today's bigs, most would be destroyed by Hakeem in the post just with his technique. Barkley was more adapted to today's game almost with his mobility

I agree on the backcourt evolution tho, even if talent is talent and most would have worked on their 3pts game.

I think that ultimately every era has its strengths and shortcomings
And players and coaches are products of their era, there is nothing they can do about that.

There are things I like and hate about 90s ball, but there also things I like and hate about today’s game

[Leetonidas]

Nephew's personal trainer is suing the Clippers claiming they subjected Kawhi to illegal and dangerous treatment:lmao what a shit show

[Sugus]

It was way more difficult for first options back in the day because role players were way worse on offense and it was way easier to focus on just one or two threats.
As for the rules, I posted this video before, but imo is well worth a watch for any basketball fan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IPXSqOhykg

The video is a perfect representation of why the discussion is so stupid.

The only area of basketball that modern players are unarguably better/greater at than previous eras is shooting, and even then it's much favored by the rules that enable offensive shooters with so much space (no illegal defense), freedom of moving/dribbling, hesi-moves to generate separation, etc etc etc.

A game of teams across eras would be entirely defined by the ruleset applied. Sure, Curry can out-shoot the Jordan Bulls or the Bird Celtics... But what is he gonna do if he's called for dribbling and traveling violations on every single play? It would be impossible to adjust on the fly, you'd need extensive time training under the "old rules" to naturally play that way during a competitive game.

Having said that, the hypothetical scenarios are fun to muse around. Would love to see Shaq with 4 shooters spacing him out tbh.

[goliath]

He also claimed the clippers tampered with Neph when he was a Spur

[Maddog]

Nephew's personal trainer is suing the Clippers claiming they subjected Kawhi to illegal and dangerous treatment:lmao what a shit show

Interesting tidbits



Beginning in 2017, while Leonard remained under contract with the Spurs, Shelton said a Clippers executive contacted him to seek "private health information" about Leonard and expressed the need for "discretion." The two sides spoke approximately 15 times on the phone and had at least seven meetings, according to the lawsuit, as the Clippers sought to learn more about Leonard's contractual obligations with the Spurs and his medical situation.

[Dejounte]

Lol wow the vindication from all this. Im glad the Clips and Leonard are getting what they deserve.

[Dejounte]

The Spurs look good with how they’ve handled the situation since… maintaining good will with every player and agent and handling things with class. People here thought the Spurs made the wrong choice not to pair Leonard with better players… i’m glad they didn’t go all out for a player who turned out to be a snake all along.

[LeBowen]

The Spurs look good with how they’ve handled the situation since… maintaining good will with every player and agent and handling things with class. People here thought the Spurs made the wrong choice not to pair Leonard with better players… i’m glad they didn’t go all out for a player who turned out to be a snake all along.

Noone who actually follows the Spurs thought otherwise. Spurs did everything they could to keep and indulge him.
He was and still is a scumbag. If only that shot against the Sixers didn't go in.

My only issue is that they decided to keep competing with a team that was obviously going nowhere.
DDR/LMA combo shouldn't have been a thing.
Worked out in the end because we got Wemby, but without that lottery luck, we'd still be talking about how they should've blown it up in 2018.

Spurs were too classy to pressure the league to intervene, it's just ridiculous that there was never even an investigation, we're talking about one of the best players in the league hiding from his own team and refusing to provide medical documents.
If it happened to the Lakers, I've got no doubt nephew would've been heavily fined.

[RC_Drunkford]

snitching heavy :lol

1849549592062525867

[exstatic]

The league needs to drop a load of bricks on the Clippers if this is proven true. 2030 and 2032 FRP compensation to the Spurs.

[spurraider21]

The league needs to drop a load of bricks on the Clippers if this is proven true. 2030 and 2032 FRP compensation to the Spurs.
is there actually precedent for handing picks to another team? with past tampering stuff like jalen brunson or whatever all we've seen is the stripping of picks, not the reassignment of them.

at least from what i can recall, i could be wrong

[objective]

Time to bring our only begotten nephew home, as well as his no talent parasite friends who get gifted assistant coaching jobs. Pop will be sooo happy he can finally retire after mending that wound

[exstatic]

is there actually precedent for handing picks to another team? with past tampering stuff like jalen brunson or whatever all we've seen is the stripping of picks, not the reassignment of them.

at least from what i can recall, i could be wrong

Brunson was just a guy when that happened,not breaking out until he got to NY. Kawhi was a FMVP and DPOY, in addition to All Star and All NBA credentials.

[Ice009]

Wow. So if his personal trainer is trying to sue the Clippers, what does this mean for Kawhi? Is he doing it on Kawhi's behalf, or is this guy going out and doing this on his own? Does this trainer even still work for Kawhi? What is going on?

Edit : I think Timvp said it was about 50/50 with the Kawhi and Spurs thing. I did believe the Spurs assessment of his injury and did right by him there, but Timvp said the Spurs did something wrong to cause a rift. Not sure what that is/was as he didn't want to release what he knew.

[Leetonidas]

Wow. So if his personal trainer is trying to sue the Clippers, what does this mean for Kawhi? Is he doing it on Kawhi's behalf, or is this guy going out and doing this on his own? Does this trainer even still work for Kawhi? What is going on?

Edit : I think Timvp said it was about 50/50 with the Kawhi and Spurs thing. I did believe the Spurs assessment of his injury and did right by him there, but Timvp said the Spurs did something wrong to cause a rift. Not sure what that is/was as he didn't want to release what he knew.

Didn't someone in the FO basically call him a pussy?

[tonight...you]

Wow. So if his personal trainer is trying to sue the Clippers, what does this mean for Kawhi? Is he doing it on Kawhi's behalf, or is this guy going out and doing this on his own? Does this trainer even still work for Kawhi? What is going on?

Edit : I think Timvp said it was about 50/50 with the Kawhi and Spurs thing. I did believe the Spurs assessment of his injury and did right by him there, but Timvp said the Spurs did something wrong to cause a rift. Not sure what that is/was as he didn't want to release what he knew.
Well they weren't offering him the Max extension IIRC.

[lefty]

It was way more difficult for first options back in the day because role players were way worse on offense and it was way easier to focus on just one or two threats.
As for the rules, I posted this video before, but imo is well worth a watch for any basketball fan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IPXSqOhykg
Great video

[lefty]

The video is a perfect representation of why the discussion is so stupid.

The only area of basketball that modern players are unarguably better/greater at than previous eras is shooting, and even then it's much favored by the rules that enable offensive shooters with so much space (no illegal defense), freedom of moving/dribbling, hesi-moves to generate separation, etc etc etc.

A game of teams across eras would be entirely defined by the ruleset applied. Sure, Curry can out-shoot the Jordan Bulls or the Bird Celtics... But what is he gonna do if he's called for dribbling and traveling violations on every single play? It would be impossible to adjust on the fly, you'd need extensive time training under the "old rules" to naturally play that way during a competitive game.

Having said that, the hypothetical scenarios are fun to muse around. Would love to see Shaq with 4 shooters spacing him out tbh.
1. Traveling : Zeke, Jordan, Iverson, Kobe palmed, carried and travelled and they let them do their things, so this argument is a wash

2 . Sure, Shaq surrounded by 4 shooters would work offensively but defensively his team would get buried because good luck having Shaq defend a stretch 5 every night, and Shaq would have to switch on every possession and he simply couldn’t even do that on basic 90s pick and rolls

[scott]

I love that we got all them titles, but I'm not exactly reminiscing about the days of winning NBA Finals games by a score of 75-72.

[objective]

Zollins, Keldon, and Barnes for Kawhi and Bones Hyland, trade works financially

Who says no to the Nephew with the DNPs?

"You son of a gun, I'm in!" - :pop:

[spurraider21]

imagine ST if wemby's season opener was as productive as Chet's...

[John B]

imagine ST if wemby's season opener was as productive as Chet's...

Chet is surrounded with SGA, JDub and other talents that he could easily be in the background and sneak a double figure. Not true with Wemby who is the centerpiece. The talent around need to improve to free up Wemby.

[spurraider21]

Chet is surrounded with SGA, JDub and other talents that he could easily be in the background and sneak a double figure. Not true with Wemby who is the centerpiece. The talent around need to improve to free up Wemby.
which spur teammate was forcing wemby to jack up 8 threes. chet missed all his 3's too, but found other ways to remain effective.

if you think im saying chet > wemby you're crazy. but chet understands how to simplify his game and get to his comfort spots. im not sure wemby really has comfort spots yet other than inefficiency hoisting 3's.

yes, OKC provides a much easier path to individual success than SA does. but there are a lot of things that wemby does to get in his own way. this wasnt unique to last night.

[John B]

which spur teammate was forcing wemby to jack up 8 threes. chet missed all his 3's too, but found other ways to remain effective.

if you think im saying chet > wemby you're crazy. but chet understands how to simplify his game and get to his comfort spots. im not sure wemby really has comfort spots yet other than inefficiency hoisting 3's.

yes, OKC provides a much easier path to individual success than SA does. but there are a lot of things that wemby does to get in his own way. this wasnt unique to last night.

Dude you need to differentiate a franchise player with a role player. Wemby will make those mistakes and they will look bad when he’s missing them. But he needs to keep pushing the envelope because he is the franchise. Chet is not and doesn’t have that pressure. Chet is a 3rd option at best.

When Wemby starts making those, he would look great! I’m not saying just keep hoisting without regards to play. But Wemby was not just playing for last night, but for getting better in the long run. Spurs will live and die with Wemby making the shots or not. Not the same with Chet.

[spurraider21]

Dude you need to differentiate a franchise player with a role player. Wemby will make those mistakes and they will look bad when he’s missing them. But he needs to keep pushing the envelope because he is the franchise. Chet is not and doesn’t have that pressure. Chet is a 3rd option at best.

When Wemby starts making those, he would look great! I’m not saying just keep hoisting without regards to play. But Wemby was not just playing for last night, but for getting better in the long run. Spurs will live and die with Wemby making the shots or not. Not the same with Chet.
even as a franchise player, shot selection exists. and right now, if we decide "ok wembys the franchise guy, give him the ball and let him go to work"... what are his go-to moves to secure clutch buckets? he doesnt really have one other than pulling up for 3. yes, i think his 3 point shooting will get better over time, but is that really what you think Wemby's path to true superstardom is? volume 3 point shooting?

as a rookie, he was putting up 6.7 3PA per 36 minutes. that would tie kevin durant's career high which was set nearly a decade ago now

[Pauleta14]

Wemby sucked at pretty much every thing yesterday but Dallas had only him to worry about. It does matter a lot

[John B]

even as a franchise player, shot selection exists. and right now, if we decide "ok wembys the franchise guy, give him the ball and let him go to work"... what are his go-to moves to secure clutch buckets? he doesnt really have one other than pulling up for 3. yes, i think his 3 point shooting will get better over time, but is that really what you think Wemby's path to true superstardom is? volume 3 point shooting?

as a rookie, he was putting up 6.7 3PA per 36 minutes. that would tie kevin durant's career high which was set nearly a decade ago now

Not necessarily shooting 3’s but not hesitate to take them. I hate to bring up Jackson and Kobe, but Jackson let Kobe made those 3’s against Utah and missing badly. Kobe, MJ, Curry, KD they will all take those long shots. And the bball gods have ways of immortalizing those who make them. Wemby has that.

[exstatic]

Wemby does need to score more in the paint,but posting up isn’t the answer. He doesn’t have the build to move people around and out of the way, and his frame says he never will. His paint scoring should come from off ball movement/cutting, and a heavy dose of pick and rolls.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby does need to score more in the paint,but posting up isn’t the answer. He doesn’t have the build to move people around and out of the way, and his frame says he never will. His paint scoring should come from off ball movement/cutting, and a heavy dose of pick and rolls.

I agree on that for the majority

however he needs to have "go to" post moves, not posting up per say, Duncan style, but post moves he goes to quick without dribble or taking time to setting his position after receiving the ball.

He needs to use his quickness and agility to do his moves staight after getting the ball as many vets in the french NT begged him to do and as he finally succesufully did (at the begening) of the Olympics Final.

The more time he takes after receiving the ball the lower the % of success (in post up positions)

[z0sa]

Chet is surrounded with SGA, JDub and other talents that he could easily be in the background and sneak a double figure. Not true with Wemby who is the centerpiece. The talent around need to improve to free up Wemby.

Yeah, he's got a lot of trouble doing anything because as soon as he has the ball, everyone just puts a foot in the paint and waits to triple. I wasn't really cognizant of such things happening when I was a kid watching DRob in the 90s, but something tells me watching Wemby's struggles invokes a similar or at least analogous feeling.

[John B]

Wemby does need to score more in the paint,but posting up isn’t the answer. He doesn’t have the build to move people around and out of the way, and his frame says he never will. His paint scoring should come from off ball movement/cutting, and a heavy dose of pick and rolls.

Wemby is sooo tall, his 3’s are unblockable. But he needs to make them. Defenders need to respect that shot, and Wemby can create off that passing to a cutting team, taking it to the basket, etc. He needs to take those shots when open. Most of Curry’s shots are bad shots but he makes them and that makes them great shots :lol

I wonder if Wemby can grasp the ball like MJ did :lol

[John B]

Yeah, he's got a lot of trouble doing anything because as soon as he has the ball, everyone just puts a foot in the paint and waits to triple. I wasn't really cognizant of such things happening when I was a kid watching DRob in the 90s, but something tells me watching Wemby's struggles invokes a similar or at least analogous feeling.

DRob was so quick and strong it didn’t matter. I don’t remember anyone taking the ball off DRob’s muscular hands :lol

[spurraider21]

Wemby does need to score more in the paint,but posting up isn’t the answer. He doesn’t have the build to move people around and out of the way, and his frame says he never will. His paint scoring should come from off ball movement/cutting, and a heavy dose of pick and rolls.
he doesnt need stick his ass into a defender and back them under the rim. but theres no reason why he shouldnt at least have the basic Aldridge package, or even what Porzingis does. porzingis was incredibly effective last year at abusing mismatches. when he had bigs on him, he would hang around the perimeter and either shoot, or pump and drive. but when he had small on him, he was one of the most efficient post players in the league. not because of his overwhelming strength, but because with his length he knew how to get into shots he wanted and the defenders were powerless to contest

[z0sa]

DRob was so quick and strong it didn’t matter. I don’t remember anyone taking the ball off DRob’s muscular hands :lol

Lol true. Wemby could grow into being something similar, but he needs more time. Big Dave was 24 and a ripped monster fresh out of the military in his ROOKIE season :lol

[tonight...you]

DRob was so quick and strong it didn’t matter. I don’t remember anyone taking the ball off DRob’s muscular hands :lol
Only Karl Malone who would karate chop DRob's wrists into oblivion.

[exstatic]

he doesnt need stick his ass into a defender and back them under the rim. but theres no reason why he shouldnt at least have the basic Aldridge package, or even what Porzingis does. porzingis was incredibly effective last year at abusing mismatches. when he had bigs on him, he would hang around the perimeter and either shoot, or pump and drive. but when he had small on him, he was one of the most efficient post players in the league. not because of his overwhelming strength, but because with his length he knew how to get into shots he wanted and the defenders were powerless to contest

Nobody is tripling Porzingas.

[LeBowen]

Lol true. Wemby could grow into being something similar, but he needs more time. Big Dave was 24 and a ripped monster fresh out of the military in his ROOKIE season :lol


https://youtu.be/pvD3DlzusBI?si=crx7cPiOXdOWzqke

Wemby will no doubt get there, but comparing his current offensive game to Admiral's isn't fair.
Admiral would easily average 30ppg on great efficency in today's game.

[buttsR4rebounding]

DRob was so quick and strong it didn’t matter. I don’t remember anyone taking the ball off DRob’s muscular hands :lol

DRob was 24 years old as a rookie and was a physical freak. 29" waist with 17" biceps. Was probably the strongest one on the team.

[itzsoweezee]

which spur teammate was forcing wemby to jack up 8 threes. chet missed all his 3's too, but found other ways to remain effective.

if you think im saying chet > wemby you're crazy. but chet understands how to simplify his game and get to his comfort spots. im not sure wemby really has comfort spots yet other than inefficiency hoisting 3's.

yes, OKC provides a much easier path to individual success than SA does. but there are a lot of things that wemby does to get in his own way. this wasnt unique to last night.

Wemby looks out of shape. He basically didn’t play preseason, and already starting the season off with a sub-30 minute game. I understand taking it a little easier due to participation in the Olympics, but this seems extreme.

[BackHome]

I don’t think he is out of shape I think he is tired. He played in Europes playoff and pretty much went straight from that into first season in NBA. After season ended he then went into practice for Olympics and then played in Olympics getting Silver.

[scott]

Wemby looks rusty, but John B is in mid season sniffing form.

[KingKev]

Wemby looks rusty, but John B is in mid season sniffing form.

Coach Pop really needs to start auctioning off game worn depends on his farewell tour. Could generate substantial revenue for local charities.

[Strategic]

Feel happy Spurs got Castle. Watching the Pistons and Ron Holland looks completely out of his league.

[John B]

https://youtu.be/pvD3DlzusBI?si=crx7cPiOXdOWzqke

Wemby will no doubt get there, but comparing his current offensive game to Admiral's isn't fair.
Admiral would easily average 30ppg on great efficency in today's game.

I remember how freakish it was for a big man to drive from coast to coast and finish with a slam. Truly the Admiral was ahead of his time with his ball handles.

[RC_Drunkford]

Admiral would be the best player in the league if he played in this era. Basically Giannis on steroids with a better jumpshot.

[LeBowen]

Nuggets would actually be the worst team in the league without Jokic.
Just unbelievable how they went from championship to this in ~15 months.

[Pauleta14]

Clippers winning doesn't surprise me

Nuggets suck but Clippers have a really good defensive minded coach that will make them a pain in the ass every night

Okc won't get a lottery pick imo

[lefty20]

Westbrick with the :lol - 8 effort. I really don't understand why teams actively covet him.

[ace3g]

Yikes...

https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1850660223876468947


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5-qjb8_4NWw

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga7focNWEAEGnw9?format=jpg&name=large

[Strategic]

Westbrick with the :lol - 8 effort. I really don't understand why teams actively covet him. Just wait. In two years CP3 will retire and Pop will usher in the 38 year old Westbrooke era with the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga7focNWEAEGnw9?format=jpg&name=large

Do good sculptors just not exist anymore?

[scott]

https://static.dw.com/image/44278679_605.jpg

[Dejounte]

Looks like Mr Clean in a Wade jersey

[NASpurs]

That's what you get when you buy shit on Temu

[Leetonidas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga7focNWEAEGnw9?format=jpg&name=large

Wtf :lol this is disgraceful

[RC_Drunkford]

People are saying it‘s Lawrence Fishburne :lol Wade himself said „who is this guy?“

[ace3g]

https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/total-recall-eyes-bugging-out-scene.jpg

[Gibbz]

Why does it look like Laurence Fishburne in that Clippers show?

[ambchang]

Yikes...

https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1850660223876468947



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspiration_(William_Hung_album)#/media/File%3AWilliamHungInspirationAlbumCover.jpg

[mystargtr34]

Clippers announcers shitting on the Wade statue right now lol

[timtonymanu]

That just looks like a generic 2k player.

How embarrassing.

[CGD]

https://youtu.be/pvD3DlzusBI?si=crx7cPiOXdOWzqke

Wemby will no doubt get there, but comparing his current offensive game to Admiral's isn't fair.
Admiral would easily average 30ppg on great efficency in today's game.

Young Dave was amazing. Freaking Gazelle out there, and amazing face up game that would have done so well in this modern era.

[CGD]

Yikes...

https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1850660223876468947


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5-qjb8_4NWw

Bruuuutal ouch

[timtonymanu]

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere

Rudy Gay has retired. I thought he did well for us all things considered.

[poopbox]

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere

Rudy Gay has retired. I thought he did well for us all things considered.

Got 18 million from Utah after he left here and I don't think he played a 100 minutes in 3 years

[KingKev]

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere

Rudy Gay has retired. I thought he did well for us all things considered.

Both sides benefited from his signing. We took a chance on him to recoup from that injury and he came back and showed vets can really redefine their game.

[Mugen]

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere

Rudy Gay has retired. I thought he did well for us all things considered.

Rudy was a good pro for us that got majorly f'd by Nephew's shenanigans that season tbh.

[scott]

Loved Rudy Gay as a player throughout his career. One of my favorite archetypes. Thanks for the memories, Rudy.

[Chinook]

I wonder how the Spurs would be if you could swap out Barnes for 2017-2020 Gay. He seems like the perfect combination of size, shooting, athleticism, individual scoring and leadership to balance out the starting lineup.

Paul, Vassell, Gay, Sochan, Wemby -- that would've been a very good and versatile unit.

Gay was in some ways born too late and too early. He only caught the tail end of the glory age for wing scorers. That archetype started to be seen as inefficient basically the moment he signed his extension with Memphis. But he would be making a killing as a dynamic power-forward right now.

[scott]

I wonder how the Spurs would be if you could swap out Barnes for 2017-2020 Gay. He seems like the perfect combination of size, shooting, athleticism, individual scoring and leadership to balance out the starting lineup.

Paul, Vassell, Gay, Sochan, Wemby -- that would've been a very good and versatile unit.

Gay was in some ways born too late and too early. He only caught the tail end of the glory age for wing scorers. That archetype started to be seen as inefficient basically the moment he signed his extension with Memphis. But he would be making a killing as a dynamic power-forward right now.

I'd take any version of Rudy up to his last season in SAS on this team right now, tbh

[Mr. Body]

Denver needed OT to get past a pretty bad Brooklyn team after needing OT to get past a pretty bad Toronto team.

It's hard to see how they can reopen their window. I know it hurts, but I'm glad the Spurs are being careful with their salaries and assets. I expect they'll try to spread them even further into the future to try to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen to them with Wemby down the line.

[objective]

I've started to wonder about a trade for Cam Johnson, I player I don't really like who I think is overpaid ... But he historically has been a very good shooter and this team really needs shooting.

Barnes is under contract 1 more year, Johnson for 2 .... So while that would severely impact the cap room next summer and they might be angling for that summer with Barnes and Collins coming off the books that summer ... As a transaction of Barnes & Wesley or Barnes & Branham for Cam Johnson with a modest asset attached, like a protected first and some seconds...

I can see the appeal. Unfortunately he's kind of old, 29 before the end of the season

[Ice009]

Is Brandon Ingram is worth a look? Do you think he'd fit on the team, and/or would he be worth resigning if he was willing to accept less than the max? He not as good of a three point shooter as Cam Johnson (36% compared to 39%), but his FG% is pretty good at around 47%.

[Pauleta14]

Denver needed OT to get past a pretty bad Brooklyn team after needing OT to get past a pretty bad Toronto team.

It's hard to see how they can reopen their window. I know it hurts, but I'm glad the Spurs are being careful with their salaries and assets. I expect they'll try to spread them even further into the future to try to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen to them with Wemby down the line.

I agree Denver doesn't look good, but Nets were really good tho

I envy their roster compared to he Spurs's

[exstatic]

Is Brandon Ingram is worth a look? Do you think he'd fit on the team, and/or would he be worth resigning if he was willing to accept less than the max? He not as good of a three point shooter as Cam Johnson (36% compared to 39%), but his FG% is pretty good at around 47%.

Taller DeRozan in shot selection and profiles. Prefers to live in the midrange, which is less efficient than overloading on threes. Wants absolute MAX contract.

[exstatic]

I agree Denver doesn't look good, but Nets were really good tho

I envy their roster compared to he Spurs's

Might be the most ridiculous thing ever posted here, and I’ve been here 20+ years.

[Mr. Body]

I agree Denver doesn't look good, but Nets were really good tho

I envy their roster compared to he Spurs's

How in the fucking Christ could you possibly say such a thing. :lol

[Pauleta14]

Might be the most ridiculous thing ever posted here, and I’ve been here 20+ years.

Wow, in more than a decade!! I'm flatered :lol

I watced them and Wemby aside I do

They have an elite PG, reliable scorers and a defnesive Big I wish we had. You should watch them

I'm not compaing both Franchises's situations but the talents (Wemby aside of course)

[Pauleta14]

How in the fucking Christ could you possibly say such a thing. :lol

I just happened to watch every Spurs game and it's one of the worst roster in the league however u guys chose to cope

Wemby Vassell are elite (and not there yet). That's it

Castle and maybe Sochan represent the future. The rest doesn't move the needle or is garabage (bc of lack of talent or age)

[exstatic]

Wow, in more than a decade!! I'm flatered :lol

I watced them and Wemby aside I do

They have an elite PG, reliable scorers and a defnesive Big I wish we had. You should watch them

I'm not compaing both Franchises's situations but the talents (Wemby aside of course)

You really needed to say that up front. It literally changes the whole statement.

If you’re taking about Nic Clayton, why are they not starting him, and only playing him 21 minutes? I like Shröder, but if he’s ‘elite’, why is he on his 7th NBA team? He’s good, but not elite.

[mo7888]

Is Brandon Ingram is worth a look? Do you think he'd fit on the team, and/or would he be worth resigning if he was willing to accept less than the max? He not as good of a three point shooter as Cam Johnson (36% compared to 39%), but his FG% is pretty good at around 47%.

The contract going forward is the main reason you take Cam over BI. As for fit, BI is the better player, but Cam may fit better between Sochan and Devin. The last thing to consider is the draft capital you'd have to give up. I'm not sure what it would take for each guy.

[Pauleta14]

You really needed to say that up front. It literally changes the whole statement.

If you’re taking about Nic Clayton, why are they not starting him, and only playing him 21 minutes? I like Shröder, but if he’s ‘elite’, why is he on his 7th NBA team? He’s good, but not elite.

Genuinely thought it was too obvious

Schroder is very underrated to me, he'd be a great Spur, he's getting better like wine and is super reliable as leader, playmaker on to score when needed.

Cam Thomas would shine anywhere

Claxton is the proflie we're looking for imo. Maybe not realiable as a starter but perfect off the bench of associated sometimes with the starter. No idea why he's not used more by teh Nets tbh, could it just be to find a balance between the 2 units? Their starter ended up playing less minutes fyi.

I just like what i saw a lot, they don't look like a tanking team at all, it could just be the start of season effect, we'll see

[RC_Drunkford]

I agree Denver doesn't look good, but Nets were really good tho

I envy their roster compared to he Spurs's

you envy them for having Ben Simmons and Dennis Schröder? WTF? :lol

[spurraider21]

to be fair, Schroder looks like he still thinks he's playing FIBA ball

[Pauleta14]

you envy them for having Ben Simmons and Dennis Schröder? WTF? :lol

nope

I explained a cpl posts later if u took the time...

[benefactor]

Can someone please save us from Jay Bilas. Who decided he would be a good play by play guy? He sounds like one of those old weather radios.

[Strategic]

Watching the Detroit/Philly game and don’t understand how the Pistons aren’t loaded up with young talent like the Thunder and Rockets are. They’ve sucked for years

[scott]

The contract going forward is the main reason you take Cam over BI. As for fit, BI is the better player, but Cam may fit better between Sochan and Devin. The last thing to consider is the draft capital you'd have to give up. I'm not sure what it would take for each guy.

If NOP would take Keldon and Zollins for BI, I'd do that with no expectation of resigning BI. It would get us off of those other two scrub's deal and clear up space immediately after this season. If we liked BI, we could keep him, but no need to.

[Atl Spur]

Watching the Detroit/Philly game and don’t understand how the Pistons aren’t loaded up with young talent like the Thunder and Rockets are. They’ve sucked for years

That vet to rookie ratio is a real thing….remember Portland all those years? Detroit will make some noise in a few years if they can maintain the continuity.

[Seventyniner]

If NOP would take Keldon and Zollins for BI, I'd do that with no expectation of resigning BI. It would get us off of those other two scrub's deal and clear up space immediately after this season. If we liked BI, we could keep him, but no need to.

Given how the Spurs have been careful about cap space I doubt they would keep BI at all. He wanted a max from the Pelicans and obviously doesn't deserve it, but another team could easily swoop in with something the Spurs wouldn't be willing to pay like 3/90.

I also can't see the Pelicans doing that trade even if there are like 7 seconds included. They are firmly in win-now mode and would probably prefer to have the financial flexibility of BI on an expiring rather than an extra year of Keldon and Zollins.

[benefactor]

Pacers really showing some matchup problems with Boston. They look up for the challenge.

[ginobilized]

The Wizards look like a basketball team tonight.
Their rookies and young players have a ton of upside. Good chemistry, seemingly.

[Mr. Body]

Detroit hammered a bad looking Philadelphia team.

A lot of Eastern mediocrity.

Chicago has pulled ahead of Orlando. They look like a real team.

[spurraider21]

kinda wild

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guess theres a roster crunch when you have to guarantee bronny a spot. JHS was known to be pretty raw, so its kinda wild to take him in the first round and then give up after just his rookie year. this is the polar extreme of picking up branhan/wesley's 4th year options though

[objective]

Probably JJ throwing his weight around. If he doesn't think he can play, he's not going to waste a spot or time on him. Good for the Lakers, sad for the Spurs

Spurs picked up Primo when they knew he was tripoding around. Samanic got clipped for being a quitter, not for being bad

[scott]

Lakers have heard of the concept of sunk cost fallacy. The Spurs have not.

[z0sa]

Lakers have heard of the concept of sunk cost fallacy. The Spurs have not.

They want to inorganically create the culture that the Big 3 organically created. That is the problem, will continue to be the problem as long as Pop and company think that's a viable plan for the future.

We were lightyears ahead of scouting international players in the late 90's/early 2000s. The Manus and Tonys of the world are taken early and often now.

[z0sa]

Hell, even someone like Beno Udrih would have been a major win in the draft for our spacing and potential in this draft. Look at what AJ Mitchell did to us last night, and he was what, 38th? It's just insane what we're dealing with, regardless of how we do against other bottom feeders. There's no pathway to contention with the current roster - none, unless someone seriously overperforms their potential.

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone is taken early now. That's why even lottery picks are crap shoots.

[objective]

Hell, even someone like Beno Udrih would have been a major win in the draft for our spacing and potential in this draft. Look at what AJ Mitchell did to us last night, and he was what, 38th? It's just insane what we're dealing with, regardless of how we do against other bottom feeders. There's no pathway to contention with the current roster - none, unless someone seriously overperforms their potential.

Beno was also very skilled at passing into the post even as a rookie, probably better than any other Spur in years besides Chris Paul

[scott]

Hell, even someone like Beno Udrih would have been a major win in the draft for our spacing and potential in this draft. Look at what AJ Mitchell did to us last night, and he was what, 38th? It's just insane what we're dealing with, regardless of how we do against other bottom feeders. There's no pathway to contention with the current roster - none, unless someone seriously overperforms their potential.

Yep. Many on this board, including myself, were talking about Mitchell as a second round target, but instead of taking this guy we decided to punt our pick into outer space in exchange for some cash and some Spanish kid who will never play a minute in the NBA.

It is amazing how OKC, perhaps the most talented roster in the league, can still find room for a talented high SRP, while the Spurs, perhapst he least talented roster in the league, has for consecutive years decided that our roster cannot possibly afford an injection of any more talent unless it's for some two-way scrub like Harrison Barnes.

[Ice009]

Yep. Many on this board, including myself, were talking about Mitchell as a second round target, but instead of taking this guy we decided to punt our pick into outer space in exchange for some cash and some Spanish kid who will never play a minute in the NBA.

It is amazing how OKC, perhaps the most talented roster in the league, can still find room for a talented high SRP, while the Spurs, perhapst he least talented roster in the league, has for consecutive years decided that our roster cannot possibly afford an injection of any more talent unless it's for some two-way scrub like Harrison Barnes.

Nothing more to add to this. It doesn't make sense.

[Leetonidas]

Bucks are 1-3 and getting worked right now by the Grizzlies. Wonder how long before they fire Doc or Giannis asks out. Team has no assets to improve their roster at all and they don't look like a real contender anymore

[scott]

Bucks are 1-3 and getting worked right now by the Grizzlies. Wonder how long before they fire Doc or Giannis asks out. Team has no assets to improve their roster at all and they don't look like a real contender anymore

Glad this is happening to Doc. He deserves every bit of it.

[mystargtr34]

Can someone please save us from Jay Bilas. Who decided he would be a good play by play guy? He sounds like one of those old weather radios.

Hahah he’s terrible but at least it’s not Dick Vitale

[lefty]

wtf he’s a carbon copy

https://x.com/ballislife/status/1852351639975235636

[Seventyniner]

:lol

Not very tasteful, but still funny.

[exstatic]

Glad this is happening to Doc. He deserves every bit of it.

The modern day Bill Fitch: living off of a Boston title, and getting hired long after his sell by date.

[LeBowen]

It turns out Ryan Dunn can shoot? A steal for the Suns.
7/16 from deep in 4 games. Obviously he won't finish the season at 44%, but he was supposed to be the next Andre Roberson.
Instead, he's looking like the next Bowen. Already taking the most difficult assignments, did well against Luka and Lebron.

[Chinook]

wtf he’s a carbon copy

https://x.com/ballislife/status/1852351639975235636

You can't ever really tell, but he looks to be noteably shorter?

[Chinook]

Bucks are 1-3 and getting worked right now by the Grizzlies. Wonder how long before they fire Doc or Giannis asks out. Team has no assets to improve their roster at all and they don't look like a real contender anymore

Lillard is awful, and anyone could've seen he was going to kill any team he got traded to. One of the most overrated players and especially personalities in the NBA.

:lmao at the phrase "getting worked"

They need an injection of new blood, which means trading Middleton and Lopez for parts and trying to rebuild a short rebuild rather than a reload. Maybe they can still trick Miami into a Lillard trade. With two more years left on his deal, I don't see the reason to trade Giannis right now. He's just as bad as Lillard personality wise, but at least he's taken his team to a title.

[spurraider21]

:stirpot:

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[Leetonidas]

Lillard is awful, and anyone could've seen he was going to kill any team he got traded to. One of the most overrated players and especially personalities in the NBA.

:lmao at the phrase "getting worked"

They need an injection of new blood, which means trading Middleton and Lopez for parts and trying to rebuild a short rebuild rather than a reload. Maybe they can still trick Miami into a Lillard trade. With two more years left on his deal, I don't see the reason to trade Giannis right now. He's just as bad as Lillard personality wise, but at least he's taken his team to a title.

What is so funny about the phrase getting worked?

They need to tear it down imo. New blood won't help them, no one is giving up anything meaningful for Portis or Lopez at this point. Agree Lillard has always been overrated and looks washed now. They don't have their own draft pick until 2031 and have no real assets to improve their roster. They're fucked imho

[Leetonidas]

:stirpot:

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Wemby and Giannis would make a nice defensive pairing but he gives up pretty big diva vibes. Not sure he'd like being a #2 to Victor either

[objective]

Jon Horst = future Brian Wright?

Have Wright and his cronies demonstrated any better eye for talent than Horst?

[timtonymanu]

Glad this is happening to Doc. He deserves every bit of it.

Some former attention whore on here would have called you racist. :cry why do people not hate nick nurse?

[exstatic]

Some former attention whore on here would have called you racist. :cry why do people not hate nick nurse?

I do hate Nick Nurse. He’s got that wannabe D’Antoni vibe where he’s going to run a 7.5 man rotation, and grind them to dust.

[Chinook]

What is so funny about the phrase getting worked?

I consider a classic like, "giving them the business". And I always think of this scene from Lean on Me, even though they don't use the phrase to describe it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApzbhOka2rw

That's just a me thing, though, carry on.


They need to tear it down imo. New blood won't help them, no one is giving up anything meaningful for Portis or Lopez at this point. Agree Lillard has always been overrated and looks washed now. They don't have their own draft pick until 2031 and have no real assets to improve their roster. They're fucked imho

They are fucked, but Giannis is still young enough to be part of another generation. They also aren't going to get appreciably less if they trade him in two years versus now. The market is so out of whack. The Spurs, Jazz and Thunder are the only teams can have the assets to make it work. The first two are too early in their process to really consider it, and the latter is already looking at real cap issues. I think plan A is to basically start the tear down around Giannis and see if they can use those assets and a cleaner cap sheet to put a more functional team together. If/when that fails, they trade trade Giannis in what is hopefully a better market. They also shouldn't be so quick to cater to a Giannis trade request, because he put them into this situation in the first place. Maybe they should try NOT doing what he tells them to for once and see how it goes.

[scott]

Some former attention whore on here would have called you racist. :cry why do people not hate nick nurse?

Honored to have sent him and his weird obsession with GSW and Toronto to his retirement.

[Mr. Body]

DRob was nearly in the same position both Giannis and Jokic are now in. He had his run, but the team around him was decaying. Didn't know it at the time, but Sean was close to having kidney problems, too.

Extremely hard to keep good but not loaded teams based around one superstar going. Best thing for those two would be to miss the playoffs or really straight up tank.

[Mugen]

Considering OKC is pretty much the only team that has the assets to trade for Giannis...fuck that. I hope the Bucks figure it out soon tbh.

[scott]

Considering OKC is pretty much the only team that has the assets to trade for Giannis...fuck that. I hope the Bucks figure it out soon tbh.

There is one other team…

[spurraider21]

Considering OKC is pretty much the only team that has the assets to trade for Giannis...fuck that. I hope the Bucks figure it out soon tbh.
Vassell, Sochan, Keldon + picks

[Robz4000]

Wemby and Giannis would make a nice defensive pairing but he gives up pretty big diva vibes. Not sure he'd like being a #2 to Victor either

Thought about it too but I don't see how they can coexist with Wemby's current offensive limitations and Pop at the helm. Spurs just need to bide their time at this point unless a good guard becomes available imo.

[Mugen]

There is one other team…

Nah, wouldn't make any sense.

The Spurs + Giannis still wouldn't be a top 5 team in the West tbh.

And a package of J-Dub + All Their Picks would be significantly better than anything the Spurs could put together tbh.

[Mugen]

Vassell, Sochan, Keldon + picks

See my comment above.

J-Dub + Picks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that offer. Easily. tbh.

[Robz4000]

Considering OKC is pretty much the only team that has the assets to trade for Giannis...fuck that. I hope the Bucks figure it out soon tbh.

OKC would win the next two-three in a row but would have absolutely no way to keep that roster together after that and would be tapped out of assets. Wouldn't be the worst thing for the Spurs tbh.

[Seventyniner]

I consider a classic like, "giving them the business". And I always think of this scene from Lean on Me, even though they don't use the phrase to describe it:

I can never read or hear that phrase without thinking of this video.

yu-1tqk_jek

[LeBowen]

See my comment above.

J-Dub + Picks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that offer. Easily. tbh.

Two supermax deals? What would they do with Chet's extension?
New CBA comes in play.

Spurs would need at least two more legit players and a supporting cast since we'd lose everyone decent.

[spurraider21]

OKC would win the next two-three in a row but would have absolutely no way to keep that roster together after that and would be tapped out of assets. Wouldn't be the worst thing for the Spurs tbh.
yeah and its not like the spurs have a title path in the next couple years anyway. i dont think giannis puts them over the top with this skeleton of a roster anyway (especially if we give up vassell and the new and improved sochan)

[exstatic]

We’d just be adding ANOTHER non-shooter

[Mugen]

Detroit down by 30+ at the start of the 2nd qtr @ home against the Knicks. Thank god the Lions are good this year tbh :lol

[exstatic]

Detroit down by 30+ at the start of the 2nd qtr @ home against the Knicks. Thank god the Lions are good this year tbh :lol

The current Lions are probably the only thing keeping Pistons fans from unaliving themselves.

[Mugen]

The current Lions are probably the only thing keeping Pistons fans from unaliving themselves.

A Lions SB win would feed generations tbh.

[spurraider21]

as far as rooting interests this year, we all know about...

- wanting atlanta to do poorly to increase the quality of the 2025 pick
- wanting charlotte to do well such that the lotto protected pick conveys (last year for it to happen)
- wanting chicago to do well enough so the top 10 protected pick conveys (though theres merit to hoping it conveys next year instead)

but taking a deeper dive into the long term atlanta situation (given that we have their pick in 2026 and 2027 as well), we should also want...

- the lakers to do well. atlanta owns the lakers 2025 unprotected pick. we dont want ATL to get good help, which would theoretically decrease the quality of those 2026 and 2027 picks

- the kings to do poorly. the kings owe atlanta a top 10 protected pick, which becomes top 8 protected next year. ATL getting an additional first rounder from the kings would also theoretically degrade the quality of the future picks they owe us

[exstatic]

A Lions SB win would feed generations tbh.

Shit, they’re still living off that NFL championship where the game was in TIGER STADIUM. :lol

[Mugen]

as far as rooting interests this year, we all know about...

- wanting atlanta to do poorly to increase the quality of the 2025 pick
- wanting charlotte to do well such that the lotto protected pick conveys (last year for it to happen)
- wanting chicago to do well enough so the top 10 protected pick conveys (though theres merit to hoping it conveys next year instead)

but taking a deeper dive into the long term atlanta situation (given that we have their pick in 2026 and 2027 as well), we should also want...

- the lakers to do well. atlanta owns the lakers 2025 unprotected pick. we dont want ATL to get good help, which would theoretically decrease the quality of those 2026 and 2027 picks

- the kings to do poorly. the kings owe atlanta a top 10 protected pick, which becomes top 8 protected next year. ATL getting an additional first rounder from the kings would also theoretically degrade the quality of the future picks they owe us

That Lakers '25 pick will be in the low 20s IMO. I think the Kings pick conveys in the teens as well.

I think the Hawks end up packaging both in the offseason to get Young some help heading into the last year of his deal (I think the final year is a Player Option).

I'm fairly optimistic the Hawks send the Spurs a top 10 pick this year. But I'm not really sure if the '26 swap ends up being much if anything tbh.

[Pauleta14]

I'm not really sure if the '26 swap ends up being much if anything tbh.

If you remember the players we missed, like Batum for just one spot (a few others I don't recall, Gobert iircc?), whatever is better than what the Spurs get could be decisive.

[Mr. Body]

as far as rooting interests this year, we all know about...

- wanting atlanta to do poorly to increase the quality of the 2025 pick
- wanting charlotte to do well such that the lotto protected pick conveys (last year for it to happen)
- wanting chicago to do well enough so the top 10 protected pick conveys (though theres merit to hoping it conveys next year instead)

but taking a deeper dive into the long term atlanta situation (given that we have their pick in 2026 and 2027 as well), we should also want...

- the lakers to do well. atlanta owns the lakers 2025 unprotected pick. we dont want ATL to get good help, which would theoretically decrease the quality of those 2026 and 2027 picks

- the kings to do poorly. the kings owe atlanta a top 10 protected pick, which becomes top 8 protected next year. ATL getting an additional first rounder from the kings would also theoretically degrade the quality of the future picks they owe us

Want Clippers to do well since OKC get their pick outright. (Or HOU, imo.)

[spurraider21]

Want Clippers to do well since OKC get their pick outright. (Or HOU, imo.)
yeah that one too :tu

[exstatic]

Want Clippers to do well since OKC get their pick outright. (Or HOU, imo.)

Yeah, OKC getS the best of the two, but the swap with Houston is top 10 protected. For those who think swaps are nothingburgers, THAT one is.

[exstatic]

Fun fact, between Harden and KPJ, they are using 70% of the Clippers possessions. They’re both up at the top of the NBA USG% stat leaders. :lol

[Mr. Body]

At some point LAC has to fall apart. That's unsustainable.

[exstatic]

At some point LAC has to fall apart. That's unsustainable.

That’s pretty normal for Harden, but man, those other three guys on the court must be bored.

How Hardens ass taste, Batum? I hope your wife is enjoying the shopping and nitelife.

[Pauleta14]

Cam Thomas is a baaaaaaad man

Man I wish we had him, just what we need

[exstatic]

Cam Thomas is a baaaaaaad man

Man I wish we had him, just what we need

He’s a selfish fucking chucker. He’d play 1 on 5 if they’d let him, so he could have all the shots.

[Mr. Body]

Brooklyn is playing pretty well. At some point they need to realize they're tanking.

Sacramento had control of Atlanta throughout before an Atlanta run. Kings never felt fully out of control.

Atlanta gets NOP, BOS, NYK next before Detroit, who got slaughtered by the Knicks tonight. Things aren't looking great for the Hawks.

[Pauleta14]

He’s a selfish fucking chucker. He’d play 1 on 5 if they’d let him, so he could have all the shots.

Isn't that the profile of most talented SG playing for a tanking team?

It's on the coaching to use him properly.

[exstatic]

Isn't that the profile of most talented SG playing for a tanking team?

It's on the coaching to use him properly.

Guys don’t play differently if they’re tanking. He is what he is.

[Pauleta14]

Guys don’t play differently if they’re tanking. He is what he is.

I don't know much about his character tbh, he's just balling everytime I watch him and I wish Vassell had some of his skills like ball handling and his ability to create separation.

Also he's still super young, he can mature. Environement and coaching can change a lot of players

[Strategic]

Nuggets somehow hanging with the wolves at half. Joker playing more assertive in the first quarter

[mystargtr34]

It’s just so shocking to me how bad Westbrook is at basketball now that he’s lost 50% of his athleticism and doesn’t have the ball in his hands 90% of the time.

He should be out of the league.

[Robz4000]

Hopefully the Thunder sell the farm for Giannis and win in the short term so when the Spurs are ready to contend they're at the end of theirs tbh.

[Bruno]

Brandon Boston Jr. had a nice game yesterday with 14 pts scored in Pels win over Pacers.

Pels claimed him from waivers and signed him to a two way contract. He is now getting some playing time with all the injuries they have.

[LeBowen]

Hopefully the Thunder sell the farm for Giannis and win in the short term so when the Spurs are ready to contend they're at the end of theirs tbh.

Tbh, SGA's timeline is closer to Giannis than Williams/Chet.
Right now there's only one all-time great team in the league, they'd be guaranteed to make the finals with Giannis.
If there's a chance to get better, you take it.
Way too many teams look too far into the future and then it doesn't work out.
Obviously they shouldn't get fleeced, but Williams+6 FRPs+salary would be a fair offer.