Around the League / Regular Season Thread (Upstairs Version)

[KingKev]

What stands out to me when comparing the Rockets vs our youth is the toughness of their guys.

[LeBowen]

[Windhorst] From my discussions with the league—I think some teams that thought they were out of this are coming back in because it doesn't look like the Suns & Heat are going to be able to consummate a deal. I think we might see a team swoop in & get Jimmy at a bargain price.

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Sons trading away an unprotected FRP and not even getting Jimmy. :lmao

[mystargtr34]

That would be brutal for the Suns. But it could just be a negotiating tactic from the Heat to try and get them to throw in Ryan Dunn.

But yeah the Sons trading that 2031 unprotected 1st for basically three late firsts is a disaster.

[KingKev]

At this point, unless you are prepared to overpay Jimmy come free agency he is quite possibly a half season rental. Not too many teams are willing to give assets AND have the outgoing contracts to match.

[stnick2261]

Anyone paying attention to Houston? Three seasons at the very bottom of the league, and then seemingly out of nowhere one of the best teams in the nation

2 teams that are playing well (with the roster they have)... Houston and Atlanta... with 2 fresh coaches (with ties to the Spurs) that we could have had if Pop was willing to move on earlier.

[rascal]

What stands out to me when comparing the Rockets vs our youth is the toughness of their guys.

They have more team athleticism.

[scott]

Just, like... They're ahead of us because they have years of draft picks. We have two top four picks. Two. Settle the fuck down.

I typically just breeze past Mr. Body's posts, but this one caught my eye, so let's lay out the factual record.




Spurs
Rockets


Last Playoff Appearance
2018-19
2019-20


Lottery Picks Since Last Appearance
5
4


FRPs Since Last Appearance
10
10


Top 10 Picks Since Last Appearance
3
4


Top 5 Picks Since Last Appearance
2
4


#1 Picks Since Last Appearance
1
0


All Time Generational Talents Since Last Appearance
1
0


HOF Coaches Employed
1
0


GOAT Front Offices Employed
1
0


Playoff Drought
6+
4



So, the Rockets have had:

1 more Top 10 pick, which they used on Reed Sheppard who doesn't even play and isn't impacting their team at all.
2 more Top 5 picks, one of whom was Sheppard so really only one additional.
The same number of FRPs (the Spurs traded one of their 10 away, and the Rockets actually only had 8 picks but made draft day trades to acquire two more in Sengun and TyTy Washington). The Rockets have added the same number of FRP players to their roster in one less season, but that's because they've been active in making moves to add additional FRP talent to their roster. Counter that to the Spurs, who actively chose to NOT add an FRP to their roster this past season, in addition to consistently passing up the opportunity to add early SRP talent to the roster.


We're also told by folks around here how badly Jalen Green sucks and how Jabari Smith is a disappointment, but apparently now they are the reason the Rockets are several years ahead of us, despite having less time as a lotto team?

Oh I forgot, we aren't supposed to count any of the picks Pre-Wemby, because "we had to blow those picks in order to be bad enough for Wemby". It's weird how the Rockets and Pistons, both teams that were just as bad as us (or worse) in 2022-23 have managed to assemble respectable teams since then, and neither of them drafted a generational talent who is a Top 5 player in his second season.

We should be 1-year behind HOU's rebuilding schedule, because they hit the bottom faster, but we are likely several years behind them. We could do the same exercise for OKC, but they got a significant head-start in their teardown package for PG13 and took an accelerated rebuilding path.

Falling for PAFTO's "Patience" grift is the same as falling for Trump's MAGA grift. Both are cons designed to benefit themselves above all us, and both require a blind allegiance that ignores fact, reason and logic to believe. No other front office and coaching staff in professional sports would be allowed to miss the playoffs for 6 consecutive seasons with impunity, but Pop managed to actually get a raise in the middle of it.

[Robz4000]

I typical just breeze past Mr. Body's posts, but this one caught my eye, so let's lay out the factual record.




Spurs
Rockets


Last Playoff Appearance
2018-19
2019-20


Lottery Picks Since Last Appearance
5
4


FRPs Since Last Appearance
10
10


Top 10 Picks Since Last Appearance
3
4


Top 5 Picks Since Last Appearance
2
4


#1 Picks Since Last Appearance
1
0


All Time Generational Talents Since Last Appearance
1
0


HOF Coaches Employed
1
0


GOAT Front Offices Employed
1
0


Playoff Drought
6+
4



So, the Rockets have had:

1 more Top 10 pick, which they used on Reed Sheppard who doesn't even play and isn't impacting their team at all.
2 more Top 5 picks, one of whom was Sheppard so really only one additional.
The same number of FRPs (the Spurs traded one of their 10 away, and the Rockets actually only had 8 picks but made draft day trades to acquire two more in Sengun and TyTy Washington). The Rockets have added the same number of FRP players to their roster in one less season, but that's because they've been active in making moves to add additional FRP talent to their roster. Counter that to the Spurs, who actively chose to NOT add an FRP to their roster this past season, in addition to consistently passing up the opportunity to add early SRP talent to the roster.


We're also told by folks around here how badly Jalen Green sucks and how Jabari Smith is a disappointment, but apparently now they are the reason the Rockets are several years ahead of us, despite having less time as a lotto team?

Oh I forgot, we aren't supposed to count any of the picks Pre-Wemby, because "we had to blow those picks in order to be bad enough for Wemby". It's weird how the Rockets and Pistons, both teams that were just as bad as us (or worse) in 2022-23 have managed to assemble respectable teams since then, and neither of them drafted a generational talent who is a Top 5 player in his second season.

We should be 1-year behind HOU's rebuilding schedule, because they hit the bottom faster, but we are likely several years behind them. We could do the same exercise for OKC, but they got a significant head-start in their teardown package for PG13 and took an accelerated rebuilding path.

Falling for PAFTO's "Patience" grift is the same as falling for Trump's MAGA grift. Both are cons designed to benefit themselves above all us, and both require a blind allegiance that ignores fact, reason and logic to believe. No other front office and coaching staff in professional sports would be allowed to miss the playoffs for 6 consecutive seasons with impunity, but Pop managed to actually get a raise in the middle of it.

:wow

[LeBowen]

Can't wait to see how Mr. Body spins this one.

The only thing I'd like to hear from PATFO believers are some arguments for optimism.
I've said it many times, Wright is a great salesman, but there are no indications whatsoever that he's capable of being a good buyer.

We already lost some value on those Hawks picks, great GMs always find perfect timings with their assets.
Can't blow the load too early, but doing nothing often backfires and the return is worse than expected.

[KingKev]

Holy fuk remind me to never get on Professor scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) ‘s bad-side. Mr. Body (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=397) he has openly made himself available to hire an intern for those Sunday Eve Stat Sessions. You should apply.

[spurraider21]

We're also told by folks around here how badly Jalen Green sucks and how Jabari Smith is a disappointment, but apparently now they are the reason the Rockets are several years ahead of us, despite having less time as a lotto team?

truth nuke tbh

[Robz4000]

Shams says Kings are opening up trade talks on Fox and it's believed he has a destination in mind for 2026 FA.

[Seventyniner]

Shams says Kings are opening up trade talks on Fox and it's believed he has a destination in mind for 2026 FA.

Interesting. I take it that means if he's traded to his preferred team now he will sign an extension this summer.

[timtonymanu]

Mr. Body thinks Tre Jones is a good rotation player. That’s all you need to know about that retard.

[spurraider21]

Shams says Kings are opening up trade talks on Fox and it's believed he has a destination in mind for 2026 FA.
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Lakers.

[spurraider21]

Mr. Body thinks Tre Jones is a good rotation player. That’s all you need to know about that retard.
tbh tre is fine. he's a solid backup PG. i dont think he's worth re-signing though

[LeBowen]

Lakers.

He's a Kings icon, Shams already said Fox has no interest in the Lakers.
Spurs, Rockets, Magic or one of Eastern tanking teams with assets seem like logical destinations.

[spurraider21]

Shams says Kings are opening up trade talks on Fox and it's believed he has a destination in mind for 2026 FA.


Lakers.
i always thought id be the spurms fan most triggered by the lakers having grown up in LA, but my god people here always paranoid about the lakers more than i could imagine :lol

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[Robz4000]

i always thought id be the spurms fan most triggered by the lakers having grown up in LA, but my god people here always paranoid about the lakers more than i could imagine :lol

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Tbf, 90% of the time we hear a player has a preferred destination(s) it's always LA.

[spurraider21]

have lakers committed a legit trade rape since gasol 16 years ago?

people point to anthony davis, and yes, superstar trades like that often end up difficult to make even (see how the lakers got hosed when trading away shaq)... but they gave up Lonzo, Ingram, Hart... 3 legitimatley good players, and 3 unprotected first round picks, one of which was the #4 overall pick in that upcoming draft, and the last one having the unique deferment feature to give it added value.

[spurraider21]

LFG

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[Mr. Body]

I typically just breeze past Mr. Body's posts, but this one caught my eye, so let's lay out the factual record.




Spurs
Rockets


Last Playoff Appearance
2018-19
2019-20


Lottery Picks Since Last Appearance
5
4


FRPs Since Last Appearance
10
10


Top 10 Picks Since Last Appearance
3
4


Top 5 Picks Since Last Appearance
2
4


#1 Picks Since Last Appearance
1
0


All Time Generational Talents Since Last Appearance
1
0


HOF Coaches Employed
1
0


GOAT Front Offices Employed
1
0


Playoff Drought
6+
4



So, the Rockets have had:

1 more Top 10 pick, which they used on Reed Sheppard who doesn't even play and isn't impacting their team at all.
2 more Top 5 picks, one of whom was Sheppard so really only one additional.
The same number of FRPs (the Spurs traded one of their 10 away, and the Rockets actually only had 8 picks but made draft day trades to acquire two more in Sengun and TyTy Washington). The Rockets have added the same number of FRP players to their roster in one less season, but that's because they've been active in making moves to add additional FRP talent to their roster. Counter that to the Spurs, who actively chose to NOT add an FRP to their roster this past season, in addition to consistently passing up the opportunity to add early SRP talent to the roster.


We're also told by folks around here how badly Jalen Green sucks and how Jabari Smith is a disappointment, but apparently now they are the reason the Rockets are several years ahead of us, despite having less time as a lotto team?

Oh I forgot, we aren't supposed to count any of the picks Pre-Wemby, because "we had to blow those picks in order to be bad enough for Wemby". It's weird how the Rockets and Pistons, both teams that were just as bad as us (or worse) in 2022-23 have managed to assemble respectable teams since then, and neither of them drafted a generational talent who is a Top 5 player in his second season.

We should be 1-year behind HOU's rebuilding schedule, because they hit the bottom faster, but we are likely several years behind them. We could do the same exercise for OKC, but they got a significant head-start in their teardown package for PG13 and took an accelerated rebuilding path.

Falling for PAFTO's "Patience" grift is the same as falling for Trump's MAGA grift. Both are cons designed to benefit themselves above all us, and both require a blind allegiance that ignores fact, reason and logic to believe. No other front office and coaching staff in professional sports would be allowed to miss the playoffs for 6 consecutive seasons with impunity, but Pop managed to actually get a raise in the middle of it.

You... don't understand how having multiple swings at top draft picks work? Really? Are you that brain-swelteringly stupid? Do you seriously not understand the advantage of having six top lottery picks over two?

[scott]

You... don't understand how having multiple swings at top draft picks work? Really? Are you that brain-swelteringly stupid? Do you seriously not understand the advantage of having six top lottery picks over two?

You... don't understand how numbers work? Really? Are you that brain-swelteringly stupid? Do you seriously not understand that three is a different number than six?

[scott]

For the record:

"Top Draft Picks" (we'll define as Top 5) on Houston's roster:

Jalen Green - 2th overall
Jabari Smith - 3rd overall
Amen Thompson - 4th overall
Reed Sheppard - 3rd overall (doesn't play, not a factor in how good their team currently is)

"Top Draft Picks" on San Antonio's Roster:

Victor Wembanyama - 1st overall
Stephon Castle - 4th overall

The Rockets have exactly 1 more "Top Draft Pick" on their roster than the Spurs. But the Spurs have a Top 5 player in the entire league on their roster.

Other key members of Houston's roster that they drafted in the first round are Sengun and Eason, aka, two guys the Spurs could have taken, but passed on.

I assume Mr. Body's fetish with getting shit on by this forum coincides with his fetish for being pissed on that he frequently reminds us of. It's weird man, you should seek help. But please don't kill yourself, this is the only life you get and there is still time to get better.

[RC_Drunkford]

You... don't understand how having multiple swings at top draft picks work? Really? Are you that brain-swelteringly stupid? Do you seriously not understand the advantage of having six top lottery picks over two?

just admit you got cooked and go hide like you always do. But don't kill yourself :lol

[KingKev]

just admit you got cooked and go hide like you always do. But don't kill yourself :lol

he legit came back as TD 21

[scott]

Undecided if I'll go full cutewizard, but thought this could be a helpful video for Mr. Body as he works things out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR-cfDsHCGA

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i always thought id be the spurms fan most triggered by the lakers having grown up in LA, but my god people here always paranoid about the lakers more than i could imagine :lol

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I was assured by every Kobe-loving faggot on this site for decades now that every free agent wanted to be in LA and it didn't matter how wretched their drafts were that they would always draw top talent. Then they added the most blatant ring chaser in the history of the league. If that makes me triggered by making an educated guess (which was proven wrong in the first reply) then I guess ya got me.

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LFG

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That's a pleasant surprise. If that's actually his assessment, I agree with it. He's a good fit with Vic.

[Mr. Body]

just admit you got cooked and go hide like you always do. But don't kill yourself :lol

I don't get what you're talking about. I said having multiple picks in the high lottery is better in getting talent than having fewer. The point you seem to make is that some of those picks aren't stars.

How... How does that make any fucking sense? How is that a win.

Like, obviously some of them won't be better than the others? Duh?

Make it make sense. Seriously. It's like you're brain damaged.

[Mr. Body]

I seriously think a lot of people on this site are suffering from brain necrosis or something. Just... Huh?

[spurraider21]

I was assured by every Kobe-loving faggot on this site for decades now that every free agent wanted to be in LA and it didn't matter how wretched their drafts were that they would always draw top talent. Then they added the most blatant ring chaser in the history of the league. If that makes me triggered by making an educated guess (which was proven wrong in the first reply) then I guess ya got me.
lakers got durant?

[Obstructed_View]

lakers got durant?
Lmao you're not wrong.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't get what you're talking about. I said having multiple picks in the high lottery is better in getting talent than having fewer. The point you seem to make is that some of those picks aren't stars.

How... How does that make any fucking sense? How is that a win.

Like, obviously some of them won't be better than the others? Duh?

Make it make sense. Seriously. It's like you're brain damaged.
scott already broke it down, no need for myself to repeat what he said just cause you lack basic understanding. We were out of the playoffs 1 year earlier than Houston, basically had the same amount of picks, had an 8th pick and decided to trade it, but somehow, according to your logic, the Rockets have been tanking way longer than the Spurs :lol

[weeks]

Undecided if I'll go full cutewizard, but thought this could be a helpful video for Mr. Body (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=397) as he works things out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR-cfDsHCGA

never go full cutewizard

[spurraider21]

pro sports getting in bed with gambling has been such a fucking cancer

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[lefty]

THIS MF AGAIN

MORE COMMERCIAAAAAAALS

https://x.com/thedunkcentral/status/1884701960181371107

[LeBowen]

pro sports getting in bed with gambling has been such a fucking cancer

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US sports have no clue how to deal with gambling.
You can't put fucking gambling ads on national TV and have your studio analysts promote parlays, ffs.

[spurraider21]

this mf might have cost us our first round pick :lol

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[spurraider21]

imagine this is the one deadline move Wright makes :lol

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[itzsoweezee]

Adam Silver doing everything he can to destroy the integrity of the game, as long as it makes owners money

[stephen jackson]

hawks wanna trade bogdan even better for us

[RC_Drunkford]

worst commissioner ever

[Pauleta14]

If it goes to 10min instead of 12, they'll be able to reduce the 82game season as well in the end because the main (sole?) argument to keep those has always been being able to compare past and present accomplishments stats wise.

[Knoxxx]

POR up 9 on ORL at half.

[heyheymymy]

Fuck you $ilver

fucking withered gollum freak putting ads on jerseys

I too am so sick of ESPN Bets in my face. It makes me worry about how it affects the game I watch. Make another league with gambling and leave the NBA alone

[onechance87]

Rob dilly been looking good for the timberwoves lately....Man oh man

[KobesAchilles]

West commissioner in sports continues to suck… who knew :lol
Honest question: has there ever been a commissioner less respected than Adam?

[objective]

Dillingham has played 15 minutes or more 7 times. In those games he's averaging:

19.2 minutes
12.3 points
4.1 assists
51% from 3

Giving per 36 stats of 23 & 7.6

At least by my quick math looking at the game log including tonight's game. My math could be wrong though

[tonight...you]

Dillingham has played 15 minutes or more 7 times. In those games he's averaging:

19.2 minutes
12.3 points
4.1 assists
51% from 3

Giving per 36 stats of 23 & 7.6

At least by my quick math looking at the game log including tonight's game. My math could be wrong though
Interesting. How's his D? I have concerns over his diminutive frame. Especially when you get into a playoff format.

[spurraider21]

if accurate, this can only be interpreted as them having at least one offer on the table that they're willing to accept, and will simply wait for deadline to choose the best option

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[onechance87]

portland on the brink of passing us in the standings lol.Hope this front office knows which direction it wants to go.
Either to tank or compete.Now is the time to decide.

[spurraider21]

portland on the brink of passing us in the standings lol.Hope this front office knows which direction it wants to go.
Either to tank or compete.Now is the time to decide.
standings are kind of weird beacuse we've played less games than other teams (cancelled laker game, and long gap before and after the paris trip). portland is 1 win behind us, but has 5 more losses. meanwhile, we are 4 wins behind sacto for a play-in spot, but only have 1 more loss than them

january was always going to be the most brutal month on the schedule, and we did pretty poorly. 3-8 so far, with a tough game against the bucks tonight

every single game we played in january came against a team that is currently at least in the play-in of their respective conference

[scott]

Dillingham has played 15 minutes or more 7 times. In those games he's averaging:

19.2 minutes
12.3 points
4.1 assists
51% from 3

Giving per 36 stats of 23 & 7.6

At least by my quick math looking at the game log including tonight's game. My math could be wrong though

Spurs had no use to draft a PG once we drafted Castle... [6 Months Later...] Spurs are reported to be actively shopping for a PG

There is a certain irony.

[scott]

standings are kind of weird beacuse we've played less games than other teams (cancelled laker game, and long gap before and after the paris trip). portland is 1 win behind us, but has 5 more losses. meanwhile, we are 4 wins behind sacto for a play-in spot, but only have 1 more loss than them

january was always going to be the most brutal month on the schedule, and we did pretty poorly. 3-8 so far, with a tough game against the bucks tonight

every single game we played in january came against a team that is currently at least in the play-in of their respective conference

February going to be even more brutal, tbh. Only one game in San Antonio (and it's tomorrow)

[Mr. Body]

Interesting. How's his D? I have concerns over his diminutive frame. Especially when you get into a playoff format.

His defense is completely terrible. Even when he's in the right places he provides no resistance.

[tonight...you]

His defense is completely terrible. Even when he's in the right places he provides no resistance.
Appreciated.

[Leetonidas]

Looks like Dejounte may have torn his Achilles

https://bleacherreport.com/videos/651897-non-contact-dejounte-injury

[kjhip1]

Looks like Dejounte may have torn his Achilles

https://bleacherreport.com/videos/651897-non-contact-dejounte-injury

Just saw that, sucks for him. He was playing really good last couple of games too.

[Robz4000]

Looks like Dejounte may have torn his Achilles

https://bleacherreport.com/videos/651897-non-contact-dejounte-injury

Damn

[100%duncan]

NOP is really cursed

[scott]

I felt this way before, but especially now that DJM went down. They need to try and maximize a return for BI and Zion before the deadline and just to rebuild around Trey, DJM, Herb, Missi, and whoever they draft.

[mo7888]

I felt this way before, but especially now that DJM went down. They need to try and maximize a return for BI and Zion before the deadline and just to rebuild around Trey, DJM, Herb, Missi, and whoever they draft.

McCollum as well..

[scott]

McCollum as well..

Good call. I like CJ as a player and a person, but NOP should definitely take the 2 srps or whatever they can get for him.

My only thought is that he's a least a good locker room guy and can be a good salary floor filler guy if they need that after dumping Zion and BI (if they can only take back expirings)

[Dex]

Looks like Dejounte may have torn his Achilles

https://bleacherreport.com/videos/651897-non-contact-dejounte-injury

Yep, confirmed by Shams. Out for the season

[Splits]

if accurate, this can only be interpreted as them having at least one offer on the table that they're willing to accept, and will simply wait for deadline to choose the best option

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Bonner/Blair and 2 SRPs

[Mugen]

Damn that sucks for DJ.

[scott]

Trey Murphy III with a 40 bomb tonight. He's gonna be a star.

[Robz4000]

Trey Murphy III with a 40 bomb tonight. He's gonna be a star.

Might already be a star tbh.

[scott]

Might already be a star tbh.

For sure. NOP is one of the more interesting teams to watch, IMO. If they can turn BI and Zion isn't to some useable assets, they're going to be a team to watch. If we don't get Flagg, I kind of hope they do from a league entertainment POV. DJM/Herb/Trey/Flagg/Missi would be a fun lineup. Lots of length there as well.

[KingKev]

Damn same leg as last time for DJ. He came back stronger after last time but mane that’s another year of recovery. He probably a throw in on a Zion/BI deal at this point.

[RC_Drunkford]

ACL is no joke. He might lose some athleticism once he's back. Takes a year of recovery and another year of playing til he gets his legs back under him.

[KingKev]

ACL is no joke. He might lose some athleticism once he's back. Takes a year of recovery and another year of playing til he gets his legs back under him.

I feel like his game was never predicated on bounce or finishing above the rim just his length and desire to go get the ball. Rudy Gay and KD are comps in my mind as long, silky smooth players who had no problem rebounding after such a serious injury but yeah man that’s going to be a long journey to get back.

[RC_Drunkford]

WTF?????

[onechance87]

omng

[RC_Drunkford]

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[lefty20]

Shams def just got hacked, tbh

[Robz4000]

Motherfucking Shams bomb

[RC_Drunkford]

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[BatManu20]

Holy shit

[RC_Drunkford]

In what universe does this make any sense?

[Rosewood]

Ain’t no fucking way, generational troll hack.

[lefty20]

Nope, don't believe it. There's still nothing on ESPN front page or NBA page.

[mystargtr34]

That’s a hack lol

[Das Texan]

Woj would have never let his shit get hacked like this.

[Robz4000]

ESPN posted it

[Dod01]

Lakers get saved yet again.

[BatManu20]

Bro fuck the Lakers man. How do they always pull this shit off

[lefty20]

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It's real... wtf were the Mavs smoking?

[BatManu20]

Nope, don't believe it. There's still nothing on ESPN front page or NBA page.

It's real dude. Insane.

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[RC_Drunkford]

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[Dod01]

What a horrible trade for Dallas. Probably was pressure from the league, Doncic himself, etc.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Mavs are dumb as fuck. There‘s 0 reason to do this unless Luka wanted out, which it doesn’t sound like.

[mystargtr34]

What the actual fuck?

Did Luka refuse to sign an extension in Dallas that lead to this?

[onechance87]

damn dallas gonna lose alot of fans...They really love luka up there.

[lefty20]

damn dallas gonna lose alot of fans...They really love luka up there.

Mavs subreddit is a great read rn, tbh.

[Dod01]

Always knew Luka didn't really want to be a Maverick, and wanted to go to a big market like LA. (Dallas ain't a true big market like LA)

[lefty20]

Silver has a chance to do the funniest thing...

[mystargtr34]

This must have been a combination of Luka demanding out, and threatening to opt out end of next season and sign for the Lakers outright.

Mavs acted quick and got the best player they could. Other teams probably knew Luka was opting out and signing in LA so didn’t put big offers in.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[RC_Drunkford]

This must have been a combination of Luka demanding out, and threatening to opt out end of next season and sign for the Lakers outright.

Mavs acted quick and got the best player they could. Other teams probably knew Luka was opting out and signing in LA so didn’t put big offers in.

nope the Mavs are just idiots

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[Dod01]

It was basically better to let Luka walk, than this. If only on principle. Just traded a 25 year old superstar for peanuts. Mavs got their pants pulled down big time on this one.

[lefty20]

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[DPG21920]

I am in shock.

[lefty20]

I think Luka cost himself like ~12mil/yr for his next extension. I doubt that Luka cares, but it does mean another small win for the Lakers in this trade.

[spursistan]

I am in shock.
Chill, Deep..:lol Mavs were never trading him to us. They wanted a win-now star in the package more than anything, their stupidity notwithstanding..

[DPG21920]

Chill, Deep..:lol Mavs were never trading him to us. They wanted a win-now star in the package more than anything, their stupidity notwithstanding..

Oh, I get it I do just laugh at all the “Luka will never be available” know it alls here. But ya, SA was never in the running as Dallas clearly wants to win now and wanted a front court player which we dont have

[mo7888]

Jazz waive MO Bamba

[Dejounte]

Jazz waive MO Bamba

Precursor move???

[toki9]

Precursor move???

Hollinger wrote earlier that Utah had to waive a player to take on Hood-Schiffino in that Luka-Davis trade, some recent quirk of the CBA. He thought that might be Tucker, but perhaps they chose Bamba instead?

[Mr. Body]

Jazz waive MO Bamba

No Mo Bamba

[mo7888]

No Mo Bamba

I didn't put that up as an indication that I wanted to sign him.

[Mr. Body]

I didn't put that up as an indication that I wanted to sign him.

I was just making a pun. "No Mo' Bamba"

[mo7888]

I was just making a pun. "No Mo' Bamba"

Gotcha :tu

[lefty20]

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[Strategic]

Damn Bucks trying to sit half the team tonight vs okc. Might be a scoring record.

[tbdog]

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Lavine was negative value. Derozan was a free agent. Caruso was the miss but they got Giddey which serves them well enough.

[LeBowen]

I'm not going to say Amen reminds me of young Lebron, but he's just running people over and dunking on them, ridiculous athlete.

[onechance87]

suns lose...But now portland on our ass to pass us in the standings.

[scott]

WE HAVE ANOTHER TRADE!!!

The Thunder have send a 2029 SRP (from Suns) to Charlotte for 2030 SRP (from the Nuggets).

What's interesting is that the Thunder already had a conditional FRP from Denver (protected 1-5 in 2029 and 1-5 in 2030). If that pick fails to convey, it turns into the 2030 SRP that the Thunder just acquired. Seems like OKC is trying to lineup pressure on Denver, piece by piece.

[mystargtr34]

WE HAVE ANOTHER TRADE!!!

The Thunder have send a 2029 SRP (from Suns) to Charlotte for 2030 SRP (from the Nuggets).

What's interesting is that the Thunder already had a conditional FRP from Denver (protected 1-5 in 2029 and 1-5 in 2030). If that pick fails to convey, it turns into the 2030 SRP that the Thunder just acquired. Seems like OKC is trying to lineup pressure on Denver, piece by piece.



So what happens if that FRP doesn’t convey in 29 or 30? It becomes the 30 SRP that the thunder already have? Or it then becomes the 31 SRP?

[scott]

So what happens if that FRP doesn’t convey in 29 or 30? It becomes the 30 SRP that the thunder already have? Or it then becomes the 31 SRP?

If the FRP fails to convey in 29 and 30, it turns into the 2030 SRP, and the 2030 SRP becomes nothing (so technically the 2030 SRP they acquired today is labelled as conditional)

[Bruno]

WE HAVE ANOTHER TRADE!!!

The Thunder have send a 2029 SRP (from Suns) to Charlotte for 2030 SRP (from the Nuggets).

What's interesting is that the Thunder already had a conditional FRP from Denver (protected 1-5 in 2029 and 1-5 in 2030). If that pick fails to convey, it turns into the 2030 SRP that the Thunder just acquired. Seems like OKC is trying to lineup pressure on Denver, piece by piece.



To me, it's more that OKC had 6 second round picks in 2029 and "only" 3 in 2030. This trade allow them to spread better their picks. What is surprising is that they are doing it 4 years in advance.
For Charlotte, they turning a second round pick into an earlier and likely better one. Good trade for them.

Spurs could/should do too that kind of trade and trade a 2026 second round pick into a 2027 second round pick. It would help them with their logjam of 2026 second round picks.

[lefty]

:lmao

Warriors approached the Suns for KD

[ginobilized]

I'm not going to say Amen reminds me of young Lebron, but he's just running people over and dunking on them, ridiculous athlete.

Yeah, Amen is wildly athletic and has an incredible motor.
I see him like the sweet spot between James Worthy and Michael Cooper. Offensively, he has a long ways to go and long time to get there.

[Ice009]

So what are his strong points right now? Defense? What does he go well on offense and what does he struggle with?

[BatManu20]

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[Dex]

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I would love Adams on the Spurs, but probably not worth what it would take to get him

[BatManu20]

I would love Adams on the Spurs, but probably not worth what it would take to get him

Same. Always liked that guy. Would be too expensive though and I doubt HOU wants to do us any favors.

[montgod]

Caleb Martin to the Mavs for Grimes

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10153516-nba-news-caleb-martin-reportedly-traded-to-mavs-from-76ers-after-luka-doncic-deal

[lefty]

https://x.com/big_business_/status/1886828874547229180

[montgod]

https://x.com/big_business_/status/1886828874547229180

Everyone knows DAL ownership didn't want to be on the hook for that supermax. 350mill is a lot of money but they still should have gotten so much more. Crazy that Pelinka punked Nico like that when they could have gotten Knecht and an extra 1st rounder smh

[Dverde]

https://x.com/tomerazarly/status/1886835619692675199?s=46. :lol :lol

[Seventyniner]

There's no way Doncic would have turned down the supermax. If he really wanted out he would have signed it first and then forced a trade.

[montgod]

There's no way Doncic would have turned down the supermax. If he really wanted out he would have signed it first and then forced a trade.

Exactly which is why it's so stupid to even be brought up. Who would openly want to turn down an extra $116mill that they can only get from the Mavs smh? Mavs just trying to come up with anything to justify the stupidity of that trade

[ginobilized]

I could seriously see Luka breaking Wilt's 100 pt game record vs the Mavs.
Hopefully, he meets his old team in the playoffs this spring.
Also, I'd think the the next CBA will be brutal and will include a lockout in part due to this trade.

[Seventyniner]

I could seriously see Luka breaking Wilt's 100 pt game record vs the Mavs.
Hopefully, he meets his old team in the playoffs this spring.
Also, I'd think the the next CBA will be brutal and will include a lockout in part due to this trade.

Quite possible. imo the supermax will have to be eliminated or overhauled. It was supposed to let teams keep their elite players but if anything it has had the opposite effect.

Though I forgot who came up with it, I like the idea of the difference between the supermax and normal max not counting towards the salary cap.

[LeBowen]

Though I forgot who came up with it, I like the idea of the difference between the supermax and normal max not counting towards the salary cap.

Yeah, that's the most common idea and should be a no-brainer.
I'd say that something like max to supermax difference not counting for the team that drafted the player, but counting if he gets traded would be even better.
Another issue is that it's way too easy to earn a supermax.

Still, this CBA is as good as it gets for us.
Wemby will undoubtedly be the best player in the league, 3 max contract teams won't be viable which favors teams with one superstar and high end starters around him.

[scott]

Caleb Martin to the Mavs for Grimes

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10153516-nba-news-caleb-martin-reportedly-traded-to-mavs-from-76ers-after-luka-doncic-deal

Damn I saw they were getting Martin but didn't realize it was for Grimes. I like Grimes, but I don't watch Mavs games other than when they play us so I don't know what his role was

[Ice009]

Quite possible. imo the supermax will have to be eliminated or overhauled. It was supposed to let teams keep their elite players but if anything it has had the opposite effect.

Though I forgot who came up with it, I like the idea of the difference between the supermax and normal max not counting towards the salary cap.

Darn, I agree. I think it needs to be eliminated. Maybe come up with something else to try and help teams keep their star players, but the supermax isn't it.

[BatManu20]

Lol

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[NASpurs]

Lol

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Slaves while making millions. OK buddy

[rascal]

I hope the Spurs don't trade their 25' picks for a backup center.

[z0sa]

:lmao that modern day slavery tweet

Homie, you've got a mansion(s), fast cars, beautiful hoes and the best doctors. Fantasyland shit tbh

[Russ]

"We've got a bunch of rebellious slaves on this team" -- Larry Johnson during the '99 Spurs-Knicks NBA Finals.

[LeBowen]

Schroeder is a man of principles, he rejected that $84M contract from the Lakers because he didn't want to be a slave for 4 years. :lol

[KobesAchilles]

:lmao that modern day slavery tweet

Homie, you've got a mansion(s), fast cars, beautiful hoes and the best doctors. Fantasyland shit tbh
Leave the poor guy alone. He has no idea that other jobs constantly transfer people to other cities as well. Or that the contract is for the nba and not just the team alone. Oh and he also owns his own team so I guess in his own world that would make him a slave trader…

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Leave the poor guy alone. He has no idea that other jobs constantly transfer people to other cities as well. Or that the contract is for the nba and not just the team alone. Oh and he also owns his own team so I guess in his own world that would make him a slave trader…

I kinda doubt his thoughts went deep enough to make that obvious parallel.

[ffadicted]

Damn I would sign up to be a slave for tens of millions of dollars a year, if the only thing I had to do was play a game.

[lefty]

Lol

1886862797264576558

Slave millionaire?

Where do I sign?

[Robz4000]

Lol

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:lmao

[scott]

I hope the Spurs don't trade their 25' picks for a backup center.

The Spurs wouldn't even give them up for Fox - they ain't going to do it for a backup C. Some SRPs and maybe some of the bums who currently occupy the rotation, but that's about it

[LeBowen]

Buckle up, KD might be on the move.
Reports about Warriors being desperate to get him, with Knicks, Heat, Rockets, Mavs and Bulls (wtf?) also being interested.

[Mr. Body]

Where will Durant beta next?

[scott]

Marc Stein is confirming a report that PHI has listed KJ Martin out tonight as there is a trade pending.

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

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[Ice009]

Darn, I was hoping to get Jonas on the Spurs. I'm also interested in getting Adams. Not sure if the Rockets would deal with the Spurs, though, would they?

[spurraider21]

just send branham for drummond imo

[NASpurs]

Marc Stein is confirming a report that PHI has listed KJ Martin out tonight as there is a trade pending.

Kenyon received a call during Gil's Arena and looked bothered by something. I guess this is the reason why he looked like that.

[Davidicus]

HOU please send the farm for KD

[Leetonidas]

Gotta love trade deadline season

[BatManu20]

Kris Middleton’s falloff has been rough.

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[scott]

Kris Middleton’s falloff has been rough.

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NOT MY PRECIOUS JONAS!!! BRIAN WRIGHT PLEASE SWOOP IN AND SAVE THE BIG DADDY

[Dex]

Lol

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What an ignorant, entitled thing to say. You knew what you were signing up for the moment you entered the league.

Bro, you can give up your millions of dollars and walk out the fucking door anytime you want.

[Dejounte]

Good trade for the bucks tbh

[spursparker9]

Lol

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He can waive his contract and apply for the waterboy position then. I believe organisation don't trade waterboy

[Knoxxx]

PHI win puts Spurs only 2 games away from #7 lotto slot.

[BatManu20]

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[mo7888]

Reed Shephard showing sign of life tonight...

[ginobilized]

Matas having a career night for the Bulls. 10 for 10 from the field including 4 treys.
Probably a rarity, but, he might make some strides as they kill themselves softly.

[scott]

Matas is the guy I wanted at #8... but I'll happily take Fox instead

[mo7888]

I wanted Matas at 8 as well, but this is the better outcome.

On another note, the Rockets totally blew the end of the Nets game. Up 4 with 9 sec left and lost to Brooklyn :rollin

[Mr. Body]

I wanted Matas at 8 as well, but this is the better outcome.

On another note, the Rockets totally blew the end of the Nets game. Up 4 with 9 sec left and lost to Brooklyn :rollin

Damn I turned that off. I love watching the Rox lose.

[ginobilized]

Rockets have some issues closing out games. Even when they win, there are some low IQ plays in the clutch.

[mo7888]

Damn I turned that off. I love watching the Rox lose.

It was viciously beautiful!

[mo7888]

On the suns-butler saga. It looks like they're open to moving KD as we've discussed, but a better deal for them might be sending Booker to Houston for all their picks...Houston sends matching salary to Miami and Butler to the suns. They could sell playing it out this season and when it doesn't work, making moves this summer, but with all of their valuable picks in hand.

[scott]

We've already had two major deals, but I'm hoping for just mass chaos this deadline. I love a crazy reshuffling of the deck :lol

[Knoxxx]

And CHI wins! Fools are only a game worse record than us. Imagine that, we give them their draft pick back so they can tank and they can’t even do that right.

[Dex]

And CHI wins! Fools are only a game worse record than us. Imagine that, we give them their draft pick back so they can tank and they can’t even do that right.

Chicago seriously helped us facilitate a blockbuster trade for an All-Star...to get their own draft pick back which they gave us for moving potential FA DeMar Derozan...which probably wasn't going to convey anyways.

:bobo

[onechance87]

portland on our ass

[heyheymymy]

Everyone knows DAL ownership didn't want to be on the hook for that supermax. 350mill is a lot of money but they still should have gotten so much more. Crazy that Pelinka punked Nico like that when they could have gotten Knecht and an extra 1st rounder smh

$350 mil sure is a lot of money to give Luka when you're already giving Donald Trump $100 mil

I would be furious if I was a Mavs fan. She blew a third of Luka's max on Trump donations just last year! So I'm not sure money was the issue. I actually kind of feel sorry for Mavs fans right now. It's absurd.

The [Trump dontation] money was distributed to Adelson’s super PAC, Preserve America, which she had seeded earlier this year with $5 million, in a series of installments: $25 million a month in July [2024], August [2024] and September [2024] and an additional $20 million at the end of September [2024]. Bitch sure was spending money last fall but all the sudden gets frugal on Luka's max? Hmm, perhaps anything is possible and we need to learn more because right now I admit I don't know much. But that excuse, if it's being used, seems like bullshit. Either that or Adelson felt like Trump was a good investment but Luka wasn't? Just not sure if money (Luka's worth/value) can be the reason for all this.

[Teamduncan21]

$350 mil sure is a lot of money to give Luka when you're already giving Donald Trump $100 mil

I would be furious if I was a Mavs fan. She blew a third of Luka's max on Trump donations just last year! So I'm not sure money was the issue. I actually kind of feel sorry for Mavs fans right now. It's absurd.

The [Trump dontation] money was distributed to Adelson’s super PAC, Preserve America, which she had seeded earlier this year with $5 million, in a series of installments: $25 million a month in July [2024], August [2024] and September [2024] and an additional $20 million at the end of September [2024]. Bitch sure was spending money last fall but all the sudden gets frugal on Luka's max? Hmm, perhaps anything is possible and we need to learn more because right now I admit I don't know much. But that excuse, if it's being used, seems like bullshit. Either that or Adelson felt like Trump was a good investment but Luka wasn't? Just not sure if money (Luka's worth/value) can be the reason for all this.


This is bad comparison. NBA has salary floor and cap. So he needs to pay some minimum amount. He won't save that. And a bad max (like aarpon stuff) can get the franchise stuck.


Politics doesn't have floor and cap. He can donate as much as he wants without a future move getting stuck and without being required to donate.

While the deal is still pretty bad not defending it. It has nothing to do with politics.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Houston would be crazy not to go for Durant with their Phoenix picks. The west is wide open and they’ll have another move to make with their remaining assets. Sure it’s smart to be patient but when incredible opportunities arise they shouldn’t hesitate, they have the infrastructure to max out Durant’s on-court value and their offense gets super ugly at times, which is their biggest issue. No brainer.

[BatManu20]

KD being shipped back to Golden State to reconnect with Draymond (who chased him out of town originally) and Steph would be hilarious.

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[Ice009]

Houston would be crazy not to go for Durant with their Phoenix picks. The west is wide open and they’ll have another move to make with their remaining assets. Sure it’s smart to be patient but when incredible opportunities arise they shouldn’t hesitate, they have the infrastructure to max out Durant’s on-court value and their offense gets super ugly at times, which is their biggest issue. No brainer.

I think Houston want Booker with those Phoenix assets, not Durant. I think they'd rather wait for Booker or another opportunity with those assets. lol. Seems the Rockets aren't the Mavericks here and are a bit smarter than that (to give up prime assets for an aging star and short term run ;) ).

And why do the Suns want Butler if they trade Durant. That doesn't make sense to me.

[quentin_compson]

Rockets have some issues closing out games.

Not too surprising for a team with so many players for whom shooting isn't exactly their strong suit. I still find them a fascinating watch, though.

[montgod]

Not too surprising for a team with so many players for whom shooting isn't exactly their strong suit. I still find them a fascinating watch, though.

But I thought Reed Sheppard was going to fix this when he was drafted? :lol

[montgod]

KD being shipped back to Golden State to reconnect with Draymond (who chased him out of town originally) and Steph would be hilarious.

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Definitely would but I can't see any other way GS becomes relevant again. I feel like nba trading activity will be at a stand still till something happens with Butler/Durant since various trades are hedging off what happens with them. I could see the Spurs definitely being players in helping support this kind of trade and possibly get a serviceable big, or whatever they are looking for, in playing the third/fourth team role.

[lefty]

Warriors begging for KD for the 2nd time is hilarious

[Larry O]

Kuzma to Milwaukee and Middleton to the Wizards.

[Leetonidas]

Man what disrespect to a franchise legend like Middleton. Traded for Kyle fucking Kuzma lmao. Spurs better be monitoring Giannis because he can't be happy with this

[Larry O]

Man what disrespect to a franchise legend like Middleton. Traded for Kyle fucking Kuzma lmao. Spurs better be monitoring Giannis because he can't be happy with this

Yeah, Bucks fans aren't happy with this trade, LMAO!

[LeBowen]

Celtics fans sigh a breath of relief, Moist Jordan always killed them.

Bucks are making desperation moves because there's nothing that can actually be done to make them legit contenders again.

[cutewizard]

BREAKING: The Milwaukee Bucks have traded Khris Middleton, AJ Johnson, and a pick swap to the Washington Wizards for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr. and second-round draft picks.

[montgod]

Celtics fans sigh a breath of relief, Moist Jordan always killed them.

Bucks are making desperation moves because there's nothing that can actually be done to make them legit contenders again.

Yup... that dumb Lillard trade totally screwed their future tracheotomy smh

[montgod]

Multi-superstar trade 'gaining momentum' between Heat, Warriors, Suns

https://sircharlesincharge.com/nba-rumors-multi-superstar-trade-gaining-momentum-heat-warriors-suns

[Leetonidas]

Guessing something based around Durant to GS, Butler to Miami, and Kuminga/Podz and draft compensation to Miami

[itzsoweezee]

Yup... that dumb Lillard trade totally screwed their future tracheotomy smh

Middleton’s legs completely breaking down screwed the more than anything else. If he’d stayed healthy, maybe the Lillard trade doesn’t need to happen.

[LeBowen]

Yup... that dumb Lillard trade totally screwed their future tracheotomy smh

This actually makes sense from financial standpoint because they'll drop below second apron.

Easy to say in hindisght, but they should've just done a soft reset and traded Jrue/Middleton for younger players while they still had value.
They would've been back up now instead of just hoping Giannis doesn't ask out.

[LeBowen]

Guessing something based around Durant to GS, Butler to Miami, and Kuminga/Podz and draft compensation to Miami

If Suns trade KD for Jimmy+FRP it will be as bad of a move as Luka trade.
If Booker isn't asking out, they should just get the best long-term offer for KD and try to retool in the summer, otherwise it's over.
If they get Jimmy they'll extend him and have $100M on the books for him and Beal until 2027.

[montgod]

Guessing something based around Durant to GS, Butler to Miami, and Kuminga/Podz and draft compensation to Miami
Article states - There's reason to believe that an ultimate deal between the three sides could look something like this:

Miami Heat
Receive
Andrew Wiggins, Buddy Hield
Gary Payton II, Kevon Looney
2025 1st Round Pick (via PHO)
2025 2nd Round Pick (via GS)

Golden State Warriors
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Kevin Durant
Josh Richardson
Monte Morris

Phoenix Suns
Receive
Jimmy Butler
Alec Burks
2027 1st Round Pick (via GS)

[LeBowen]

[Fischer] I’m told a key element of the trade talks that brought Kyle Kuzma to Milwaukee in exchange for championship mainstay Khris Middleton: a large vote of support for Kuzma from one Giannis Antetokounmpo.

GMiannis might be worse than LeGM, tbh.

[baseline bum]

Kris Middleton’s falloff has been rough.

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Middleton is still way better than Kuzma. What a moronic trade. Kuzma makes Vassell's defense look like Prime Gary Payton.

[baseline bum]

Houston would be crazy not to go for Durant with their Phoenix picks. The west is wide open and they’ll have another move to make with their remaining assets. Sure it’s smart to be patient but when incredible opportunities arise they shouldn’t hesitate, they have the infrastructure to max out Durant’s on-court value and their offense gets super ugly at times, which is their biggest issue. No brainer.

Nah Houston has Phoenix by the balls so badly they 100% should hold out for Booker.

[RC_Drunkford]

Bucks just got worse. They traded a 12 PPG 40% 3-point shooter for a 15 PPG 29% 3-point shooter. Just double Giannis and leave Kuzma open, so he can throw airballs. The only thing this did for them was some salary relief.

And they traded AJ Jackson who's been in their rotation for Patrick Baldwin Jr. who's a Wizards third stringer :lol What an idiotic front office

[itzsoweezee]

Middleton is still way better than Kuzma. What a moronic trade. Kuzma makes Vassell's defense look like Prime Gary Payton.

It’s great for the Spurs. Giannis is surely asking out this summer. He’s already dropping hints that he’s ready to move on. B Wright better hold onto all those remaining first round picks.

[poopbox]

GMiannis might be worse than LeGM, tbh.

Aint he the one who wanted Griffin as coach to :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Looking at all those teams fumble their championship window by trading for washed up stars really makes me appreciate PATFO. I know I shit on them a lot, but if they know one thing, it's how to build long term success and not make stupid reactionary moves.

[Mugen]

Looking at all those teams fumble their championship window by trading for washed up stars really makes me appreciate PATFO. I know I shit on them a lot, but if they know one thing, it's how to build long term success and not make stupid reactionary moves.

They've made some good trades recently which they should deservedly get credit for.

But we have no evidence that the current regime can accomplish this just yet. The Spurs have the 3rd longest playoff drought in the NBA and I believe are one of the only teams to not have won 5 straight this decade. They need to actually start showing something above marginal improvement, and they need to start showing it soon tbh.

[Seventyniner]

If Suns trade KD for Jimmy+FRP it will be as bad of a move as Luka trade.
If Booker isn't asking out, they should just get the best long-term offer for KD and try to retool in the summer, otherwise it's over.
If they get Jimmy they'll extend him and have $100M on the books for him and Beal until 2027.

Never underestimate the stupidity of some FOs/owners.

There was some tweet about the Spurs trading with the same few teams over and over like a good poker player picking on the suckers. Exploiting the Suns in their always-win-now-mode should be easy money, but there are also plenty of teams looking to prey on them.

I didn't have the Mavs in the sucker group but they have certainly earned a place in that category. They are like the good, tight player that suddenly loses their mind and inexplicably open shoves 100 big blinds with KK and runs into AA.

[Knoxxx]

Giannis would solve our PF/backup C roster gap.

[montgod]

Sixers Trading KJ Martin, Two Second-Rounders To Pistons to successfully get under the tax apron

[cutewizard]

Giannis would solve our PF/backup C roster gap.

We would ring immediately

[BatManu20]

I really don't understand Jimmy Butler's obsession with being traded to PHX, especially if KD isn't going to be there. Makes no sense. They're still going to be ass, especially considering KD is still significantly better than Jimmy.

[Larry O]

Jaden Springer from the Celtics to the Rocketts plus 2nd round picks.

[LeBowen]

I really don't understand Jimmy Butler's obsession with being traded to PHX, especially if KD isn't going to be there. Makes no sense. They're still going to be ass, especially considering KD is still significantly better than Jimmy.

It makes perfect sense. It's not about winning, but about the money.
Jimmy has a player option this summer which he doesn't want to exercise. He wants to get another 3 year max instead.
Suns are the only team dumb enough to offer him a 150/3 extension, noone else would even consider it.
I have to say his PR team did a solid job tricking people into thinking Jimmy is about winning and not about the money.

I hope he stays in Miami and gets suspended for the rest of the season.

[Knoxxx]

We would ring immediately

Due to Wemby, I also think we have potential to get max level stars below max level pay. Not saying way below and not saying that is Giannis. Fox could be a candidate in that regard.

(and no state income tax)

[BatManu20]

Middleton is still way better than Kuzma. What a moronic trade. Kuzma makes Vassell's defense look like Prime Gary Payton.

Agreed it's a dumb trade, especially the way Kozma's been shooting the ball lately. Also a slap in the face of one of their franchise players in Middleton to not only trade him for Kyle Kuzma, but to trade him to the fucking Wizards of all places.

[BatManu20]

It makes perfect sense. It's not about winning, but about the money.
Jimmy has a player option this summer which he doesn't want to exercise. He wants to get another 3 year max instead.
Suns are the only team dumb enough to offer him a 150/3 extension, noone else would even consider it.
I have to say his PR team did a solid job tricking people into thinking Jimmy is about winning and not about the money.

I hope he stays in Miami and gets suspended for the rest of the season.

I don't think even PHX is dumb enough to give a 36 year-old and clearly regressing Jimmy Butler that kind of money but if they do, they deserve everything bad that's coming to them.

Agreed on the second part of your statement though. Always liked JB but I've really soured on him with all his selfish bullshit this season. Hope he doesn't get what he wants but it looks like he's going to. Think Pat Riley just wants him gone at this point. The locker room has turned-on him too.

[montgod]

I really don't understand Jimmy Butler's obsession with being traded to PHX, especially if KD isn't going to be there. Makes no sense. They're still going to be ass, especially considering KD is still significantly better than Jimmy.

Fully agree. At this point, he's just chasing the dollars, but initially I think he did want to go because Booker/Durant were there. Now I don't think he cares about anything else than to save face and get his extension.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This trade gets Bucks under the second apron , which opens up some possibilities for them. It's still bad, but not THAT bad, definitely desperate.

[Mr. Body]

I really don't understand Jimmy Butler's obsession with being traded to PHX

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[Mr. Body]

Article states - There's reason to believe that an ultimate deal between the three sides could look something like this:

Miami Heat
Receive
Andrew Wiggins, Buddy Hield
Gary Payton II, Kevon Looney
2025 1st Round Pick (via PHO)
2025 2nd Round Pick (via GS)

Golden State Warriors
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Kevin Durant
Josh Richardson
Monte Morris

Phoenix Suns
Receive
Jimmy Butler
Alec Burks
2027 1st Round Pick (via GS)

I don't get why PHX has a hard-on to get rid of Durant. Booker is even more beta than he is. Get rid of him. Get your picks back.

This trade proposal is wild. Phoenix gets a malcontent player who kind of sucks now and just wants tons of money in Butler. They lose their actually good player in Durant.

The Warriors get Durant back for practically nothing.

And Miami gets a platter of decent stuff for getting rid of malcontented crappy player.

[Knoxxx]

I don't get why PHX has a hard-on to get rid of Durant. Booker is even more beta than he is. Get rid of him. Get your picks back.

This trade proposal is wild. Phoenix gets a malcontent player who kind of sucks now and just wants tons of money in Butler. They lose their actually good player in Durant.

The Warriors get Durant back for practically nothing.

And Miami gets a platter of decent stuff for getting rid of malcontented crappy player.

The Spurs should be the 4th team and give 4 SRPs for Wiggins.

[baseline bum]

If Suns trade KD for Jimmy+FRP it will be as bad of a move as Luka trade.
If Booker isn't asking out, they should just get the best long-term offer for KD and try to retool in the summer, otherwise it's over.
If they get Jimmy they'll extend him and have $100M on the books for him and Beal until 2027.

I mean it's really bad but the Luka trade just destroyed a franchise that was set both in the near and long term. Unless the Spurs trade Wemby for Brunson or Jaylen Brown or something it's going to hard to ever approach that level of fail.

[vy65]

:lmao bucks

[rjv]

wth are the bucks thinking? odds just shot up that Giannis doesn't finish his career in Milwaukee.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

wth are the bucks thinking? odds just shot up that Giannis doesn't finish his career in Milwaukee.

They’re totally desperate, however, Middleton is washed and he has a 35 mil player option for next season. Neither him nor Kuzma are likely to make them a real contender but Kuzma’s contract might be more tradable.

Also gets them under the second apron, so they can now aggregate salary among other things.

[spursistan]

Lowe is probably the most plugged in reporter in the NBA who doesn't break news. Durant seems to really be on the table for the right offer.
https://x.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1886970166040207716

[spursistan]

Seen that (desperate) Middleton trade, hard not to picture Giannis as the next big domino to fall once they inevitably flame out in the post-season.

[baseline bum]

Lowe is probably the most plugged in reporter in the NBA who doesn't break news. Durant seems to really be on the table for the right offer.
https://x.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1886970166040207716

I'd send Keldon and some used size 16 San Antonio bloomers

[Seventyniner]

If the Suns trade KD and don't dump Beal or get back at least two good firsts, they're idiots.

(Narrator: they're idiots anyway)

[BatManu20]

Giannis doing his best Dejounte impression by posting cryptic bullshit and then deleting it.

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[montgod]

If the Suns trade KD and don't dump Beal or get back at least two good firsts, they're idiots.

(Narrator: they're idiots anyway)

The only reason why Durant came up as the option to trade is cause the Heat, and possible 3rd teams in a deal, refused to take Beal on. And yeah, Suns should have traded Durant at the beginning of the year like everyone told them too while his value was much higher, but as you stated, Suns aren't the brightest but mainly due to owners arrogance/stubbornness

[RC_Drunkford]

:lobt2:
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[lefty]

:lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/BonA1TMyfwk?si=tnnI4H67wMHVk-VW

[BatManu20]

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[RC_Drunkford]

we could've gotten into that one, unless Mr. Wright has another move in the works

[BatManu20]

KD back to the warriors confirmed.

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[scott]

Rumors are that the Celtics are trying to make a move to get them under the 2nd Apron so they could make a move for KD. Would obviously have to send out the reigning Finals MVP Jaylen Brown to do so.

[LeBowen]

Rumors are that the Celtics are trying to make a move to get them under the 2nd Apron so they could make a move for KD. Would obviously have to send out the reigning Finals MVP Jaylen Brown to do so.

Brown? Really?

[ChumpDumper]

Rumors are that the Celtics are trying to make a move to get them under the 2nd Apron so they could make a move for KD. Would obviously have to send out the reigning Finals MVP Jaylen Brown to do so.

That would be amazingly stupid for the Celtics and the Spurs would have to make a play for Brown.

[BatManu20]

Celtics trading 28 year-old Jaylen Brown so they can land 36 year-old KD would be insanely short-sided.

[scott]

Saw the rumor on a YouTube show where the guy was reading off some rumors... it was a Celtics account with around 15k followers that said it, but someone in the chat followed up and said that account is full of shit... like the Celtics version of Dusty Garza.

So... maybe disregard that :lol

[spursistan]

1887214083293786509
Sounds like Chet is a long way off from a comeback. That's was a terrible injury by all accounts.

[ChumpDumper]

It just makes no sense. The Celts are just now entering machine mode this season. If everyone stays healthy, they're most likely in the Finals again.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

OKC RECEIVING draft compensation for Theis to serve as an insurance big.... Presti must walk around with a horseshoe up his ass.

I don't love Theis, but he only makes $2 million and the Spurs sure as hell could use another backup big right about now. Or any big for that matter. Wish they had been in on this one.

[ChumpDumper]

Theis doesn't move the needle enough for the Spurs to use the assets. Makes sense for a team gearing up for a deep playoff run.