Future Spur: Dylan Harper

[vy65]

What do you think? It's not some big mystery.

I honestly don’t know. Hence the question. You tell me.

[RedAzSa]

It seems like in recent day/days, Spursfan’s opinion on Harper has considerably shifted from slight anti/meh to overwhelmingly positive. What was it that caused the change? Getting over the initial disappointment of not getting 1? Realizing Giannis is/would be a complete shit show? Something else entirely?
I knew he was supposedly a great prospect, but didn’t do any meaningful digging because I didn’t seriously think we’d jump up for a third year in a row. Watching the film and scouting reports now that we have is extremely exciting

[spurraider21]

It seems like in recent day/days, Spursfan’s opinion on Harper has considerably shifted from slight anti/meh to overwhelmingly positive. What was it that caused the change? Getting over the initial disappointment of not getting 1? Realizing Giannis is/would be a complete shit show? Something else entirely?
i dont think anybody ever really thought about the #2 pick specifically, which is the only scenario where the spurs were likely to draft a point guard... just because he cant be passed up. i guess there was a tiny contingent of people who like jakucionis at 8, but most people liked Kon, Queen, Tre Johnson, etc... because 8 was a spot where you can prioritize fit/need.

nobody cared for Fears, for instance.

so when we suddenly got that pick and realized we've been served a point guard, which isnt a dire need, who isnt a particularly good shooter, which is a dire need, the immediate reaction was that he doesnt really fit and may be more valuable as a trade asset for somebody else than he is as a point guard to us

now that the knee-jerk reaction has faded, i think people have come to accept that he's frankly damn good and worth taking and keeping

[spurraider21]

I knew he was supposedly a great prospect, but didn’t do any meaningful digging because I didn’t seriously think we’d jump up for a third year in a row. Watching the film and scouting reports now that we have is extremely exciting
its not just that a jump was somewhat unlikely. but harper was only realsitic with exactly the #2 pick. at 1 its obviously Flagg, and with 3/4 it was always one of Ace/VJ. so the harper specific scenario was something ST never really grappled with until it happened

[exstatic]

i dont think anybody ever really thought about the #2 pick specifically, which is the only scenario where the spurs were likely to draft a point guard... just because he cant be passed up. i guess there was a tiny contingent of people who like jakucionis at 8, but most people liked Kon, Queen, Tre Johnson, etc... because 8 was a spot where you can prioritize fit/need.

nobody cared for Fears, for instance.

so when we suddenly got that pick and realized we've been served a point guard, which isnt a dire need, who isnt a particularly good shooter, which is a dire need, the immediate reaction was that he doesnt really fit and may be more valuable as a trade asset for somebody else than he is as a point guard to us

now that the knee-jerk reaction has faded, i think people have come to accept that he's frankly damn good and worth taking and keeping

I’m very high on Fears. He did a hell of a job running an SEC team as a 17 YO freshman. If you think he has shooting worries, go back and check Buddy Hield’s 3G% as a freshman at Oklahoma. I’ll save you the trouble. It was .238. His FTs were .833, though, a strong shooting signal. Fears shot .851 from the line on over 6 attempts.

[Guru of Nothing]

It seems like in recent day/days, Spursfan’s opinion on Harper has considerably shifted from slight anti/meh to overwhelmingly positive. What was it that caused the change? Getting over the initial disappointment of not getting 1? Realizing Giannis is/would be a complete shit show? Something else entirely?

Fantasizing about the 100th percentile outcome swayed me.

[Dverde]

I wonder if the Spurs consider picking up his scrub brother to help with the NBA transition. My guess is no.

[benefactor]

somebody has to explain how they can fix the ping pong ball thing that is being recorded, watched by 30 team officials, in addition to media being in the room
I can't give you a good answer. But the coincidence it's just too big. All I know is there is a lot of money involved and where there is a lot of money involved things happen. And for the record, I've never been one to buy into conspiracies. The improbability mixed with the circumstances just smells too bad.

[Obstructed_View]

I was lukewarm on him just from a perspective of need. I'd rather make do with three outstanding guards than fail to pick the best player available. A focus on smart, team defense anchored by Victor is a recipe for trophies. The final trick is picking the perfect fifth guy to fit this massively-talented young core.

EDIT: The Spurs have historically been a team picking at the end of the round, and fit can be more important than talent. At the top, you pick the best talent every time. The Spurs proved that by reaching for Primo.

[Obstructed_View]

I can't give you a good answer. But the coincidence it's just too big. All I know is there is a lot of money involved and where there is a lot of money involved things happen. And for the record, I've never been one to buy into conspiracies. The improbability mixed with the circumstances just smells too bad.

When CP was traded to the Clippers, the Hornets won AD. When AD forced his way to LA, the Pels won Zion. When Luka got traded to LA, everyone said Dallas would get the number one pick.

[objective]

And also being monitored by a big4 advisory firm

While I appreciate the absurdity of trying to rig it, one thing I've never taken seriously as a measure of confidence is having an auditing firm.

Audits paid for be the audited are 100% set up for scams. Enron, Theranos, etc etc always had audits and clean bills of health until the bottom fell out. Dozens of audited firms gave all their clients money to Madoff without any hesitation or failing an audit. McDonald's Monopoly had security measures and audits in place for years before weak links in the crime chain broke it up. When it comes to scamming, even under intense security and scrutiny, where there's a will there's a way.

Law firms aren't hired to expose their clients wrongdoing, they're paid to keep secrets, limit exposure, and make problems go away.

[spurraider21]

When CP was traded to the Clippers, the Hornets won AD. When AD forced his way to LA, the Pels won Zion. When Luka got traded to LA, everyone said Dallas would get the number one pick.
They won Zion lottery before AD was traded

League wanted cp3 to a big market so badly that the commissioner vetoed a trade to the freakin lakers

[Mr. Body]

While I appreciate the absurdity of trying to rig it, one thing I've never taken seriously as a measure of confidence is having an auditing firm.

Audits paid for be the audited are 100% set up for scams. Enron, Theranos, etc etc always had audits and clean bills of health until the bottom fell out. Dozens of audited firms gave all their clients money to Madoff without any hesitation or failing an audit. McDonald's Monopoly had security measures and audits in place for years before weak links in the crime chain broke it up. When it comes to scamming, even under intense security and scrutiny, where there's a will there's a way.

Law firms aren't hired to expose their clients wrongdoing, they're paid to keep secrets, limit exposure, and make problems go away.

Yeah, pretty much. American society is corrupt from the gills down to the toes. Some firm standing around while a lottery happens is meaningless.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if the Spurs consider picking up his scrub brother to help with the NBA transition. My guess is no.

Dylan is like Curry and Klay Thompson -- he's been around the NBA for a long, long time. Transition won't be a big problem for him.

[jeebus]

It seems like in recent day/days, Spursfan’s opinion on Harper has considerably shifted from slight anti/meh to overwhelmingly positive. What was it that caused the change? Getting over the initial disappointment of not getting 1? Realizing Giannis is/would be a complete shit show? Something else entirely?

They learned their lesson with Dillingham and that whole meltdown.

[Obstructed_View]

They won Zion lottery before AD was traded

League wanted cp3 to a big market so badly that the commissioner vetoed a trade to the freakin lakers

Shit. I saw this the other day somewhere and thought I remembered it correctly. Clearly I did not. :lol

[weeks]

I can't give you a good answer. But the coincidence it's just too big. All I know is there is a lot of money involved and where there is a lot of money involved things happen. And for the record, I've never been one to buy into conspiracies. The improbability mixed with the circumstances just smells too bad.

yeah..nico helps the lakers, the league helps nico
don't know how else to explain it

[spurraider21]

I’m very high on Fears. He did a hell of a job running an SEC team as a 17 YO freshman. If you think he has shooting worries, go back and check Buddy Hield’s 3G% as a freshman at Oklahoma. I’ll save you the trouble. It was .238. His FTs were .833, though, a strong shooting signal. Fears shot .851 from the line on over 6 attempts.
Did you want the spurs to take him at 8?

[Eaglenole2002]

Listening to KOC and in passing, when talking about the draft being an inexact science with a wide variety of opinions, he said he talked to scouts who don’t have Harper as a top 5 player in this class. Thought that was interesting and also absurd.

[exstatic]

Did you want the spurs to take him at 8?

Depends who else was still on the board.

[exstatic]

Listening to KOC and in passing, when talking about the draft being an inexact science with a wide variety of opinions, he said he talked to scouts who don’t have Harper as a top 5 player in this class. Thought that was interesting and also absurd.

KOC is a giant tool, and a dyed in the wool Spurs hater.

[Obstructed_View]

While I appreciate the absurdity of trying to rig it, one thing I've never taken seriously as a measure of confidence is having an auditing firm.

Audits paid for be the audited are 100% set up for scams. Enron, Theranos, etc etc always had audits and clean bills of health until the bottom fell out. Dozens of audited firms gave all their clients money to Madoff without any hesitation or failing an audit. McDonald's Monopoly had security measures and audits in place for years before weak links in the crime chain broke it up. When it comes to scamming, even under intense security and scrutiny, where there's a will there's a way.

Law firms aren't hired to expose their clients wrongdoing, they're paid to keep secrets, limit exposure, and make problems go away.

I seem to recall Price Waterhouse Cooper being the most trustworthy company in the world until they were found out to be defrauding millions of people.

[Knoxxx]

The discussion on dribble drivers got me drooling. When Wemby and Fox went out, only Castle and Keldon were competent attacking off the dribble. Now we will have:

Wemby
Castle
Harper
Fox
Keldon (off bench)

Not sure the metrics but Castle and Harper seem to me to be elite dribble drivers. Wemby/Fox competent at least, and Keldon is a solid dribble driver vs other team's bench units.

The drooling part is thinking about all the nuisance fouls we will draw, getting teams in foul trouble, stopping their runs and uglying the game up when we need to. And there is NOTHING they can do to stop it. OK I guess other than crowding the lane heavily and daring us to shoot 3s. Which might work pretty well actually.

Size and shooting, we have to find it at picks 14 and 38, and free agency/trades.

[spurraider21]

The discussion on dribble drivers got me drooling. When Wemby and Fox went out, only Castle and Keldon were competent attacking off the dribble. Now we will have:

Wemby
Castle
Harper
Fox
Keldon (off bench)

Not sure the metrics but Castle and Harper seem to me to be elite dribble drivers. Wemby/Fox competent at least, and Keldon is a solid dribble driver vs other team's bench units.

The drooling part is thinking about all the nuisance fouls we will draw, getting teams in foul trouble, stopping their runs and uglying the game up when we need to. And there is NOTHING they can do to stop it. OK I guess other than crowding the lane heavily and daring us to shoot 3s. Which might work pretty well actually.

Size and shooting, we have to find it at picks 14 and 38, and free agency/trades.
i wouldnt call castle and elite dribble driver. he's good, but not elite. he's not super quick/fast like Fox nor is he as slippery as Harper. he does have good handles and isnt fazed by contact at all, so its not like he doesnt have anything going for him. but more notably, he didnt finish at the rim particularly efficiently and often has no real plan and just gets himself into the teeth of the defense. efficiency in the paint is something he needs to improve on. meanwhile harper's footwork and finishing ability is pretty impeccable

[spurraider21]

Depends who else was still on the board.
lets assume top 7 off the board were Flagg, Harper, VJ, Ace, Tre Johnson, Maluach, Queen, and Jaku.

would you have taken Fears there?

and of the next handful of prospects, how many of these guys would you have taken Fears over

Kon, CMB, Jase, Carter Bryant, Demin, Essengue, Sorber

[Knoxxx]

i wouldnt call castle and elite dribble driver. he's good, but not elite. he's not super quick/fast like Fox nor is he as slippery as Harper. he does have good handles and isnt fazed by contact at all, so its not like he doesnt have anything going for him. but more notably, he didnt finish at the rim particularly efficiently and often has no real plan and just gets himself into the teeth of the defense. efficiency in the paint is something he needs to improve on. meanwhile harper's footwork and finishing ability is pretty impeccable

I’ll concede that Castle needs to finish better, but he was only a rook. Not sure you watched games down the stretch but he was money driving 1 v 1 and always required teams to help in the lane. That is a rare skill at the nba level, much less from a rookie. Manu used to drive me crazy missing driving layups when we first got him too.

[Obstructed_View]

Maybe it's because I've been watching Blake Wesley for three years, but Castle shows signs of being an elite driver to me. He's, at least, the best Spurs rookie in the paint since Tony Parker*.

[Knoxxx]

Maybe it's because I've been watching Blake Wesley for three years, but Castle shows signs of being an elite driver to me. He's, at least, the best Spurs rookie in the paint since Tony Parker*.

In March/April and perhaps sooner, Castle showed he can dribble around/through anyone guarding him. Saying his handles aren’t good is more like what you say about Keldon when he’s in one of his turnover prone spells.

[Obstructed_View]

In March/April and perhaps sooner, Castle showed he can dribble around/through anyone guarding him. Saying his handles aren’t good is more like what you say about Keldon when he’s in one of his turnover prone spells.

As good as he's been in so many situations, I'm willing to give him some benefit of the doubt as a young player going against the best players in the universe. NBA players are good enough to make anyone look foolish from time to time.

[Arguendo]

This ultimately doesn’t mean a whole lot but find it illuminating that Harper, a noted ‘non-athlete’ vs. Edgecombe, ‘a noted + athlete’ is ahead in everything bar max vert…

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While being 20lbs heavier...very surprising.

[Obstructed_View]

Weird that it says VJ is standing out. Am I missing something?

[ducks]

He's not White. He's a crafty bulky left handed guard. James Harden is really close.

Spurs would be so lucky except for harden choked in game 7!

[ismael-robert]

Electromagnets

[Gandalf]

Weird that it says VJ is standing out. Am I missing something?

I saw some stat somewhere (thought it was a combine stat, but don’t know how they measured it) that had Harper in the 90s as a point guard, and Bailey ranked in the 80s as a small forward. Can’t find it now, someone may have posted it in a thread here somewhere.

[Gandalf]

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How do they measure this, is it a useful indicator, and what does it mean? I assume 90s is pretty good?

[Tyronn Lue]

I didn't read the entire thread.

The guy is going to be a rookie. He's not going to come in as an NBA level elite scorer or playmaker. He's probably going to have a huge growth potential and has solid skills to start. He's already a massive improvement to some of the trash this team has fielded in the past 2 years. He will get a better shot, shot selection and learn NBA spatial awareness, game speed and ball movement. He's going to be fun to watch. His ceiling imo is all over the place, no idea.

[T Park]

How is he like Harden without the good shooting?

James Harden but actually gives a shit and can play defense.


Son of Ron Harper. busts his ass. good head on his shoulders.

there's some Manu stuff in the tape as well. legit long 66 with shoes.

No brainer you keep the pick, roll out a three guard lineup, and go from there.

[T Park]

His form is perfect! The spacing at Rutgers was trash. With NBA spacing Harper will be not just a good shooter but potentially a great one. The feet 45 degrees, nice arch, high/quick release. Feet come together at ascent. He will be a really good shooter.

disagree on the release being high, its a little low, if he can bring it up a tad it'll be great.

[T Park]

Let's not forget who's our GM, Dylan Harper could very well end up being a couple 20131 20132 picks

don't snort paint chips kids, its bad for you

[T Park]

My bet is we're going to see Fox-Castle-Harper starting.

and with how good Harper shoots spot up wise and creates secondarily it fits terrific.

[scottspurs]

disagree on the release being high, it’s a little low, if he can bring it up a tad it'll be great.

At the combine he had a much lower release than what I saw on film so yeah he is going to have to correct that but I wouldn’t tinker with it to much if it goes in

[T Park]

Nico wasn't lucky. He was saved by the league because he was about to drive the entire fan base away with his stupidity. It was damage control

lol yeah it was rigged. of course

[spursgu]

spurs are gonna be feasting next year!

[Obstructed_View]

I saw some stat somewhere (thought it was a combine stat, but don’t know how they measured it) that had Harper in the 90s as a point guard, and Bailey ranked in the 80s as a small forward. Can’t find it now, someone may have posted it in a thread here somewhere.

Yeah I guess they have Edgecombe at small forward even though he's basically the same height as Harper.

[Obstructed_View]

If "It's better to be lucky than good" was a person tbh:

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Meh. I think he's done a pretty damn good job. It's easy to criticize picks after the fact. Primo was the only real mistake the Spurs have made, IMO. But the Spurs have been immensely lucky, so even if he's pretty good, he's still more lucky. :lol

[CGD]

Dylan is like Curry and Klay Thompson -- he's been around the NBA for a long, long time. Transition won't be a big problem for him.

I think this is underrated. These kids tend to do well in the league even if they’re not stars (eg Pippen Jr.). While his dad didn’t make the pros, I think this was probably a factor for Castle too.

[vander]

sure hope the Spurs take this this guy. The thought of them trading down, drafting for need, or trading for some old guy is a horrifying thought

[Extra Stout]

sure hope the Spurs take this this guy. The thought of them trading down, drafting for need, or trading for some old guy is a horrifying thought
I don’t think the reality that the Spurs just lucked into a second franchise player has sunk in all the way yet.

The roster being unbalanced, general lack of size around Wemby, etc., are concerns, yes, but the foundation is laid and the house is framed.

[Darkwaters]

Fox has been in the league for 8 years. That’s enough experience to be a mentor.

I remember hearing how much value Fox got from that limited time with Chris Paul though. I think he could benefit from additional mentorship himself - especially since he's never been on a truly great team having spent his whole career in Sacramento.

Regardless though, there isn't any rule that says you can only have one mentor. And with so much of our future tied up in those three point guards I think it's critically important to invest anything we can in their growth.

[BatManu20]

sure hope the Spurs take this this guy. The thought of them trading down, drafting for need, or trading for some old guy is a horrifying thought

Givony is pretty plugged in these days now that he works for ESPN. If he says he's "99.9% sure" the Spurs are taking Harper #2 Overall, you should feel pretty safe about the pick tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[Ocotillo]

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If Wesley is still around, maybe Harper can mentor him. :lol

[Mr. Body]

If Wesley is still around, maybe Harper can mentor him. :lol

"See, instead of missing all the time, you should make them, like this. Got it?"

[exstatic]

lets assume top 7 off the board were Flagg, Harper, VJ, Ace, Tre Johnson, Maluach, Queen, and Jaku.

would you have taken Fears there?

and of the next handful of prospects, how many of these guys would you have taken Fears over

Kon, CMB, Jase, Carter Bryant, Demin, Essengue, Sorber

Kon, CMB, Jase, Essengue, Sorber.

[spurraider21]

Kon, CMB, Jase, Essengue, Sorber.
:lol arite so is he even top 8 on your board?

[exstatic]

i wouldnt call castle and elite dribble driver. he's good, but not elite. he's not super quick/fast like Fox nor is he as slippery as Harper. he does have good handles and isnt fazed by contact at all, so its not like he doesnt have anything going for him. but more notably, he didnt finish at the rim particularly efficiently and often has no real plan and just gets himself into the teeth of the defense. efficiency in the paint is something he needs to improve on. meanwhile harper's footwork and finishing ability is pretty impeccable

Are you fucking kidding me? A rookie guard shoots .655 0-3 feet, and you don’t think that’s particularly efficient?

[exstatic]

:lol arite so is he even top 8 on your board?

I said I liked him, not loved him. I think he could wind up being a surprise late lottery hit for someone,though.

[spurraider21]

I said I liked him, not loved him. I think he could wind up being a surprise late lottery hit for someone,though.
i asked if you wanted him at 8 and your response was that it depended on what the board looked like

but if he is not top 8 on your board, there is no scenario where he would be your pick at 8 :lol

[spurraider21]

Are you fucking kidding me? A rookie guard shoots .655 0-3 feet, and you don’t think that’s particularly efficient?
it wasnt bad. but there is defnitely room for growth especially if attacking the rim is going to be his specialty. the FT numbers tie into it as well. i made a post about it some time ago


just some numbers about castle's interior scoring (within 3 feet). these are rough numbers that i can pull from bballref

he had 307 FGA, and converted 65.5% of those looks (201 FGM)

they also credit him with having 69 dunks on the year. if you exclude made dunks, he made 55.5% of the rest of his looks at the rim. im not sure how useful this analysis is, as i dont see why you would exclude dunks. for a non-dunking, below the rim point guard, these dunks would typically be replaced with very high% layups, for the most part. but for people who do that analysis, those are the numbers.

this also doesnt include fouls drawn, which was a big part of his game. he drew 176 shooting fouls on the year, and most of those would have been on drives.


if you compare to some other guards known for their interior finishing...

Ant Edwards converted 67.8% of his looks within 3 feet (and only had 54 dunks on the year). he also generally got to the rim less this year... only about 18% of his FGA came within 3 feet, compared to 31% for Castle. a lot of this is probably due to Wolves loss of spacing this year forcing Edwards to be much more of a perimeter scorer (which he has excelled at). he drew 233 shooting fouls despite not getting to the rim as often as the other guys here.

SGA converted 74.2% of his looks within 3 feet (20% of his FGA came within that distance). he only had 46 dunks on the year. and of course, he drew 280 fouls this year, though his playstyle has him drawing those from further out than 3 feet quite a bit. still, remarkable efficiency

Ja made 69% of his shots from within 3 feet (nice), and 23.3% of his FGA came within that distance. he threw down only 17 dunks, and drew 154 shooting fouls on the year.

as far as another rookie... Collier was another phyiscal point guard who had efficiecny questions. he also got over 20% of his FGA within 3 feet. he scored on 70% of those looks while only having 15 dunks.



in sum, castle did great at getting to the rim. im sure i could dig around more, but 31% of his FGA coming from within 3 feet is either at or near the tops in the league among guards. but his finishing there, including dunks, still leaves room for growth if you look at other rim-oriented players. not to mention, while he was pretty damn good at drawing fouls for a rookie, he only made 72% of his FTs which hurts.

he needs to improve his efficiency and its not as simple as his 3pt shooting. his rim efficiency (which for all intents in purposes should include FTs) is lacking. he also only made 37% of his shots between 3 and 10 feet, 37% between 10 and 16 feet, and 33% between 16ft and the 3pt line. the shooting between 10ft and 3pt line is less relevant for him, as those ranges combined accounted for 14% of his FGA.

[R. DeMurre]

Nico wasn't lucky. He was saved by the league because he was about to drive the entire fan base away with his stupidity. It was damage control

In this type of conspiracy theory, do the other owners know about the NBA "fixing" the draft, assuming the previous owners who've benefitted from the rigging are aware of it? And they're cool with it, even after their own teams just tanked a season away?

[Manu&Duncan fan]

In this type of conspiracy theory, do the other owners know about the NBA "fixing" the draft, assuming the previous owners who've benefitted from the rigging are aware of it?

You just need to ignore people's ignorance.

[LeBowen]

In this type of conspiracy theory, do the other owners know about the NBA "fixing" the draft, assuming the previous owners who've benefitted from the rigging are aware of it?

I'd like conspiracy theorists to explain why did the league allow Knicks to win just 1 playoff series from '01 to '23 and why did they allow the Lakers to be irrelevant for almost a decade?
The only "help" Bulls got was DRose lottery, MJ retired almost 30 years ago.

[R. DeMurre]

I'd like conspiracy theorists to explain why did the league allow Knicks to win just 1 playoff series from '01 to '23 and why did they allow the Lakers to be irrelevant for almost a decade?
The only "help" Bulls got was DRose lottery, MJ retired almost 30 years ago.

The wonderful thing about conspiracies is they don't require evidence, and often even conspiracies that contradict one another are more acceptable to some of the public over the idea that there's-- boringly-- not a conspiracy.

[LeBowen]

The wonderful thing about conspiracies is they don't require evidence, and often even conspiracies that contradict one another are more acceptable to some of the public over the idea that there's-- boringly-- not a conspiracy.

It's just hillarious how awful some of these rigged lottery takes are.
Lakers basically owe all of their success to Jerry West. From his playing days, to getting Magic, then signging Shaq and Kobe to gifting them Pau in a trade while he was at Memphis.
He also made Clippers and Warriors relevant again. Three big market teams that would be complete garbage without him.
Knicks have been garbage for decades upon decades.
Celtics won 1 ring from Bird's days up until last year and they've been garbage for most of those seasons.
Bulls are arguably the worst franchise in the league if we exclude MJ years.
Nets have been completely irrelevant since they moved to Brooklyn.
Sixers have also been garbage most of the time.
Heat are relevant only because of Riley.

But people don't actually follow the league, it's easier to scream about conspiracy theories.

[baseline bum]

I didn't read the entire thread.

The guy is going to be a rookie. He's not going to come in as an NBA level elite scorer or playmaker. He's probably going to have a huge growth potential and has solid skills to start. He's already a massive improvement to some of the trash this team has fielded in the past 2 years. He will get a better shot, shot selection and learn NBA spatial awareness, game speed and ball movement. He's going to be fun to watch. His ceiling imo is all over the place, no idea.

His expected value might be Cade man. Very similar college stats, similar build, and he said he patterns his game after Cade.

[Mnky]

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[baseline bum]

Always wanted his dad on the team and was majorly pissed when the Lakers were able to get him instead of us in 99-00 so will be cool to have his son in the black and silver.

[baseline bum]

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Not bad at all, right there with McNeeley. Coward has been killing shit at the combine too.

[scott]

i asked if you wanted him at 8 and your response was that it depended on what the board looked like

but if he is not top 8 on your board, there is no scenario where he would be your pick at 8 :lol

If we're allowed to take two guys with our pick at #2, I recommend we do that. Surprised more teams don't take advantage of this loophole.

[scott]

In this type of conspiracy theory, do the other owners know about the NBA "fixing" the draft, assuming the previous owners who've benefitted from the rigging are aware of it? And they're cool with it, even after their own teams just tanked a season away?

If we all want to play along with the conspiracy theory - each owner is a 1/30th owner of the entire league in addition to their individual franchise, so the theory would be that all the owners have implicitly agreed to be party to whatever is required to do the best for the league (sending Luka to LA, for which the compensation is Flagg, for example). So even though it is not what is best for their team, they are still okay with it because it is what is best for their 1/30th stake in the overall enterprise.

The Spurs got rewarded with the #2 pick for putting noted thorn-in-the-side of the machine, Gregg Popovich, out to pasture as "El Jefe". Illuminati style.

(Note: I don't believe this shit... just playing along)

[scott]

I'd like conspiracy theorists to explain why did the league allow Knicks to win just 1 playoff series from '01 to '23 and why did they allow the Lakers to be irrelevant for almost a decade?
The only "help" Bulls got was DRose lottery, MJ retired almost 30 years ago.

You aren't thinking with a long enough lens. The Knicks drought is to set up a Red Sox-like redemption story. Knicks fans only have another 30 or so years of title drought and then they'll be rewarded with a handful of titles. The legend hasn't grown large enough yet.

The Lakers were just Gregg Popovich going against the will of the Machine and foiling their grand plans. He's out of the way now.

[spurraider21]

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stephon castle went 18-25 in this drill btw

[Mnky]

stephon castle went 18-25 in this drill btw

Not at all worried about Castle developing a shot. These types of drills are indicative of that active rhythm shooting. Good company in my opinion.

[cd98]

No one knows if Castle will be a good outside shooter, but we all know he will put in the work and that’s what matters. We really need Chip back.

[Leetonidas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gq2OV5gWcAES_mb?format=jpg&name=large

All of those players suck though:lol

[BatManu20]

For the (quickly shrinking) "Bailey over Harper "crowd. I don't have him as low as 12, but I do agree that he's not the prospect he's been billed as, especially due to his lack of handle and poor shot selection. And that was before I knew he was 6'7.5 instead of 6'10. I've seen more people arguing for him on Twitter and YouTube than on ST, but still. Harper is the easy choice here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gq8IesfW0AAQbXD?format=jpg&name=medium

[BatManu20]

All of those players suck though:lol

It's merely pointing out that it's special that a PG was finishing at the rim at the same clip that elite college big men were. Most of them have sucked in the pros (outside of Zion, who is a monster when he's actually healthy) but all those guys were monsters in college.

[vy65]

Is it too soon to start coming up with Harper thread titles?

I'm thinking something along the lines of "The Power of Friendship destroying Jewish space laser of Dylan HAARPer" or some such. Too much?

[Mr. Body]

All of those players suck though:lol

Sometimes I wonder at people's ability to evaluate even basic information.

[Mr. Body]

For the (quickly shrinking) "Bailey over Harper "crowd. I don't have him as low as 12, but I do agree that he's not the prospect he's been billed as, especially due to his lack of handle and poor shot selection. And that was before I knew he was 6'7.5 instead of 6'10. I've seen more people arguing for him on Twitter and YouTube than on ST, but still. Harper is the easy choice here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gq8IesfW0AAQbXD?format=jpg&name=medium

Someone will nab Bailey if he drops past five, no question.

[Leetonidas]

It's merely pointing out that it's special that a PG was finishing at the rim at the same clip that elite college big men were. Most of them have sucked in the pros (outside of Zion, who is a monster when he's actually healthy) but all those guys were monsters in college.

I know, I get why you posted it but it's just funny that all of those guys ended up being meh pros with the exception of Zion who is just fat and lazy :lol

[spurraider21]

im a bigger Bailey fan than most here

i wouldn even consider taking him over Harper for a second

[Mr. Body]

I know, I get why you posted it but it's just funny that all of those guys ended up being meh pros with the exception of Zion who is just fat and lazy :lol

Another way to look at it, Dylan Harper was BETTER at the rim than bigs who WERE successful in the NBA.

[Knoxxx]

Harper is stout and Castle a little taller with about the same length. Playing together, and with Fox, I think either has the capability to check many SFs. In particular for short stretches I don’t think it’s a concern. And the 48 guard minutes X 2 still leaves 32 minutes apiece for our 3 guards to play two at a time.

[scott]

Perhaps the lord will bless us and Bailey will fall all the way to 14

[scott]

Is it too soon to start coming up with Harper thread titles?

I'm thinking something along the lines of "The Power of Friendship destroying Jewish space laser of Dylan HAARPer" or some such. Too much?

Thanks to Reddit, I learned that there is a lady thespian of films of an adult nature named Dillon Harper... so perhaps:

"The Van Nuys, CA studio backlot trailer of Dylan Harper"

or

"The poorly lit adult movie set set of Dylan Harper"

[vy65]

Thanks to Reddit, I learned that there is a lady thespian of films of an adult nature named Dillon Harper... so perhaps:

"The Van Nuys, CA studio backlot trailer of Dylan Harper"

or

"The poorly lit adult movie set set of Dylan Harper"

baseline bum

"The 'its just a rash, don't worry about it' medical diagnosis of Dylan Harper"
"The no sex in the champagne room of Dylan Harper"
"The 'I like her for her personality' platonic friendship circle of Dylan Harper"

Like the kid himself, so much potential.

[baseline bum]

Thanks to Reddit, I learned that there is a lady thespian of films of an adult nature named Dillon Harper... so perhaps:

"The Van Nuys, CA studio backlot trailer of Dylan Harper"

or

"The poorly lit adult movie set set of Dylan Harper"

It's Dillion Harper; really enjoyed her performance in Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 34.

[baseline bum]

baseline bum

"The 'its just a rash, don't worry about it' medical diagnosis of Dylan Harper"
"The no sex in the champagne room of Dylan Harper"
"The 'I like her for her personality' platonic friendship circle of Dylan Harper"

Like the kid himself, so much potential.

IDK if it works since her name is Dillion Harper, not Dillon, which I also found out on reddit like scott.

[vy65]

It's Dillion Harper; really enjoyed her performance in Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 34.

"Pussy is the best medicine 2" should have gotten some awards ...

[vy65]

"The mis-spelled sex-trafficking container of Dillon Harper?"

[baseline bum]

"Pussy is the best medicine 2" should have gotten some awards ...

Lesbian Strap On Bosses had potential but they should have called in a stunt cock for the glazing

[heyheymymy]

I lol'd at Dylan HAARPer haha perfect punchline after all the prior NBA conspiracy talk upthread

frozen envelope'd

[baseline bum]

"The mis-spelled sex-trafficking container of Dillon Harper?"

Anyways, she's great. Can't tell me you don't love that smile. 'Eh scott?

https://images4.imagebam.com/e8/be/d8/ME121DYK_o.jpg

[scott]

Anyways, she's great. Can't tell me you don't love that smile. 'Eh scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150)?

https://images4.imagebam.com/e8/be/d8/ME121DYK_o.jpg

Meh... not my bag... not into the "this might be a Chris Hanson sting" look

[Knoxxx]

Perhaps the lord will bless us and Bailey will fall all the way to 14

Maybe we can package the 14 pick and all our bad contracts and excess SRPs to move up to the 3 pick.

[BatManu20]

Yea no thanks.

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[Ice009]

Maybe we can package the 14 pick and all our bad contracts and excess SRPs to move up to the 3 pick.

I don't think Philadelphia want to move that pick. Apparently Morey's happy to get that pick in this draft as he says it's 7-8 players deep. The 4th pick might be the only spot to move up to. I wonder if Philadelphia will draft Bailey, though?

[baseline bum]

Meh... not my bag... not into the "this might be a Chris Hanson sting" look

So also not into Asians I see? (my Japanese grandmother looked 30 in her 50s, probably looked 13 in her 30s lol)

Also almost all of Dillion's work was at age 21+ and started at 19, no Traci Lords shit

[baseline bum]

I don't think Philadelphia want to move that pick. Apparently Morey's happy to get that pick in this draft as he says it's 7-8 players deep. The 4th pick might be the only spot to move up to. I wonder if Philadelphia will draft Bailey, though?

Would be hard to play Edgecombe or Tre Johnson at the three with such a small backcourt in Maxey and McCain, so kind of seems like they might.

[LeBowen]

I don't think Philadelphia want to move that pick. Apparently Morey's happy to get that pick in this draft as he says it's 7-8 players deep. The 4th pick might be the only spot to move up to. I wonder if Philadelphia will draft Bailey, though?

To quote James Harden, Darryl Morey is a liar.
He's surely trying to scam someone using that #3 pick as we speak.

[PopTheGOAT]

Yea no thanks.

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Bros trying to tank his stock to keep playing with Harper

[Mr. Body]

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take..
"

- Ace Bailey

[scott]

So also not into Asians I see? (my Japanese grandmother looked 30 in her 50s, probably looked 13 in her 30s lol)

Also almost all of Dillion's work was at age 21+ and started at 19, no Traci Lords shit

Well, I'm married to an Asian... but she doesn't look like she's 14.

But we do joke around... Asians don't raisin. An Asian woman will look 30 until she is 80, and then the next day she'll look like she's 1000.

[spurraider21]

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More I read about this kid the more excited I get. Maybe the fit isn’t “perfect” but he can 100% co-exist with Castle/Fox and we’re so far away from being at the point where fit is primary concern anyways.
while i was confused about some conflicting numbers on his "catch and shoot" percentage and "spot up" percentage, evidently the difference is that catch-and-shoot is a broader definition which includes any jump shot that you take without dribbling or waiting, while spot-up is a subset of those shots where you are not in motion. while movement shooting is a very valuable trait, spot ups are at least the bare minimum.

[spurraider21]

Well, I'm married to an Asian... but she doesn't look like she's 14.

But we do joke around... Asians don't raisin. An Asian woman will look 30 until she is 80, and then the next day she'll look like she's 1000.
classic meme

https://i.redd.it/t4n80u20zom81.png

[Ice009]

while i was confused about some conflicting numbers on his "catch and shoot" percentage and "spot up" percentage, evidently the difference is that catch-and-shoot is a broader definition which includes any jump shot that you take without dribbling or waiting, while spot-up is a subset of those shots where you are not in motion. while movement shooting is a very valuable trait, spot ups are at least the bare minimum.

As far as I understood it, catch and shoot is just that, a shot you take without any dribbling, so basically, catch and shoot it, while a spot-up shot, you can dribble, but it's basically a set shot/stationary shot. Is that how they're defining it?

[DPG21920]

Trouble in paradise?

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[Dejounte]

Trouble in paradise?

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I see nothing wrong with that statement

[thiste]

Trouble in paradise?

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Well there are a lot of reports that Spurs might go after Giannis so he's just being cautious imho

[Ice009]

Trouble in paradise?

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What do you mean by trouble in paradise? What's your definition on that? Daslicer says Ron Harper is not a Spurs fan and I am starting to sense a bit of hate from RH already, but maybe that is because I have in my head what Daslicer mentioned. It's actually starting to bother me because it's more disrespect towards Tim Duncan which I have just about had enough of from guys that were never anywhere near as good as him.

As for his statement, I know what he's saying is factually correct, but I wonder where Ron Harper is coming from. I'm thinking two options - Does he not want the Spurs to pick him (maybe he thinks the Spurs will hold him back having to take a backseat to other players?), or is he not wanting to come out and say anything in case the Spurs trade the pick?

This wait until the draft is going to be longer than I thought with all this speculation swirling around.

[SpursFan86]

while i was confused about some conflicting numbers on his "catch and shoot" percentage and "spot up" percentage, evidently the difference is that catch-and-shoot is a broader definition which includes any jump shot that you take without dribbling or waiting, while spot-up is a subset of those shots where you are not in motion. while movement shooting is a very valuable trait, spot ups are at least the bare minimum.

I’m assuming you were seeing that his C&S % was much poorer? But yeah, on this team I’ll take anything we can get :lol Just being a threat and not allowing teams to pack the paint or crowd Vic is something that you can’t say about many on this team.

[DPG21920]

I see nothing wrong with that statement

I didnt say it was wrong….just wondering how loud of an influence Ron may be in the process and if he’s signaling anything potentially here…

[Seventyniner]

Either Ron Harper really hates the Spurs or he thinks there's a real chance Dallas takes him at #1. Most likely the first one.

[Knoxxx]

For the (quickly shrinking) "Bailey over Harper "crowd. I don't have him as low as 12, but I do agree that he's not the prospect he's been billed as, especially due to his lack of handle and poor shot selection. And that was before I knew he was 6'7.5 instead of 6'10. I've seen more people arguing for him on Twitter and YouTube than on ST, but still. Harper is the easy choice here.

That’s great but your points are weak. The 6.75” has been about beat to death already and his standing reach of 8’11” is legit. Then your disregard the possibility he can’t learn better shot selection. Now if you want to play the low BBIQ card that’s fine, but focusing only on shot selection for a great shot maker rings hollow. While I am a Harper lean because he seems the legit standalone 2 prospect, at least try and poke better holes in Bailey.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gq8IesfW0AAQbXD?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ice009]

Either Ron Harper really hates the Spurs or he thinks there's a real chance Dallas takes him at #1. Most likely the first one.

Whoa, I never even thought of that possibility. Could Dallas really do it?

[LeBowen]

Just keep in mind that kids can't be resposnible for their parents' awful takes as we've seen many times already.

For example, Tari Eason's mom posted this last night. :lol

https://i.imgur.com/iQq318p.png

[Knoxxx]

Either Ron Harper really hates the Spurs or he thinks there's a real chance Dallas takes him at #1. Most likely the first one.

That would certainly be epic if Harper talked DAL into taking Harper #1!

[Dejounte]

Either Ron Harper really hates the Spurs or he thinks there's a real chance Dallas takes him at #1. Most likely the first one.
Or people just reading too much into nothing. Ron’s other tweets suggest he has nothing against the Spurs. He’s just taking a wait and see approach.

[poopbox]

His expected value might be Cade man. Very similar college stats, similar build, and he said he patterns his game after Cade.

It's going to be virtually impossible for Harper to be Cade in SA, because from day one the Pistons gave Cade the ball and made him the franchise guy. He never had a Wemby or Fox on his team he had to share the ball with.

Would Cade be Cade if his rookie year he had a big on his team taking around 20 shots a game and another ball dominant point guard in front of him? He wouldn't. Actually Cade would probably be Jaden Ivey :lol

[CGD]

Yea no thanks.

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I feel like Rudy Gay had a lot of this same slap happy bravado when he came in.

[DPG21920]

Or people just reading too much into nothing. Ron’s other tweets suggest he has nothing against the Spurs. He’s just taking a wait and see approach.

Could very well be the case….just wonder why he would then feel the need to tweet something so vanilla?

[CGD]

What do you mean by trouble in paradise? What's your definition on that? Daslicer says Ron Harper is not a Spurs fan and I am starting to sense a bit of hate from RH already, but maybe that is because I have in my head what Daslicer mentioned. It's actually starting to bother me because it's more disrespect towards Tim Duncan which I have just about had enough of from guys that were never anywhere near as good as him.

As for his statement, I know what he's saying is factually correct, but I wonder where Ron Harper is coming from. I'm thinking two options - Does he not want the Spurs to pick him (maybe he thinks the Spurs will hold him back having to take a backseat to other players?), or is he not wanting to come out and say anything in case the Spurs trade the pick?

This wait until the draft is going to be longer than I thought with all this speculation swirling around.

I wouldn’t read too much into it. The two possibilities you mentioned make sense, and as a dad he’s probably just protecting his boy. He’s also seeing the same Giannis shit we are, as well as the “can they play all 3 of them guys together” stuff.

[scott]

How active is Ron Harper in his son's life? Because his twitter feed definitely has old man screaming at the TV vibes. Is he gonna be the kind of dude who does interviews talking about his son should play more, and tweeting at players to pass Dylan the ball?

[DPG21920]

What do you mean by trouble in paradise? What's your definition on that? Daslicer says Ron Harper is not a Spurs fan and I am starting to sense a bit of hate from RH already, but maybe that is because I have in my head what Daslicer mentioned. It's actually starting to bother me because it's more disrespect towards Tim Duncan which I have just about had enough of from guys that were never anywhere near as good as him.

As for his statement, I know what he's saying is factually correct, but I wonder where Ron Harper is coming from. I'm thinking two options - Does he not want the Spurs to pick him (maybe he thinks the Spurs will hold him back having to take a backseat to other players?), or is he not wanting to come out and say anything in case the Spurs trade the pick?

This wait until the draft is going to be longer than I thought with all this speculation swirling around.

You answered your own question. “Trouble in paradise” means does Harper not want SA to draft Dylan?

[rjv]

what I read into Harper's tweet was that a lot can happen before the draft, such as a trade, or another player moving up, or even down. the Spurs will work out other players.

[Obstructed_View]

I see nothing wrong with that statement

He's just being realistic. We live in a world where Luka was traded. Anything can happen.

Funny that Ron Harper write exactly the same way he speak. I can see his face when I read it. :lol

[Guru of Nothing]

How active is Ron Harper in his son's life? Because his twitter feed definitely has old man screaming at the TV vibes. Is he gonna be the kind of dude who does interviews talking about his son should play more, and tweeting at players to pass Dylan the ball?

Here are a pair of premium season tickets, Mr. Harper. You'll love them when the playoffs roll around.

[Obstructed_View]

How active is Ron Harper in his son's life? Because his twitter feed definitely has old man screaming at the TV vibes. Is he gonna be the kind of dude who does interviews talking about his son should play more, and tweeting at players to pass Dylan the ball?

Ron Harper was a calming vet influence on five title teams. I don't think he's suddenly turning into Lavar Ball based on a single tweet telling people not to count their chickens.

[scott]

Ron Harper was a calming vet influence on five title teams. I don't think he's suddenly turning into Lavar Ball based on a single tweet telling people not to count their chickens.

Look at the rest of his Twitter feed...

[PopTheGOAT]

Look at the rest of his Twitter feed...
I saw some positive interactions with Spurs fans

[Mr. Body]

It just reads as him saying nothing has happened yet, that's it.

[Ice009]

You answered your own question. “Trouble in paradise” means does Harper not want SA to draft Dylan?

That is what I was thinking. I am also not sure if his Dad is going to be wanting to put his two cents in all the time if the Spurs draft Harper like they're expected to.


Here are a pair of premium season tickets, Mr. Harper. You'll love them when the playoffs roll around.

Not sure I want him coming to the games if he's going to be meddling. I hope I'm just blowing it up into nothing and not perceiving the tweets the way he's intended them.

Sounds like his mom is pretty reasonable, though, so I am hoping she's a good influence on him if his dad starts commenting about playing time, touches and things like that.


It's going to be virtually impossible for Harper to be Cade in SA, because from day one the Pistons gave Cade the ball and made him the franchise guy. He never had a Wemby or Fox on his team he had to share the ball with.

Would Cade be Cade if his rookie year he had a big on his team taking around 20 shots a game and another ball dominant point guard in front of him? He wouldn't. Actually Cade would probably be Jaden Ivey :lol

This is what I was initially thinking about the tweets. He's not going to get the ball as much so it might hold back his franchise player potential development track.

Do you guys think if Dylan Harper has franchise player potential, will that be held back playing for the Spurs, or at least delayed, take longer to reach not being the number 1 or 2 option?


I wouldn’t read too much into it. The two possibilities you mentioned make sense, and as a dad he’s probably just protecting his boy. He’s also seeing the same Giannis shit we are, as well as the “can they play all 3 of them guys together” stuff.

Yeah, maybe. As long as he doesn't inject himself and start commenting online or behind the scenes. I don't know if the Spurs are going to want to deal with that. Would the team likely speak to his dad before deciding on the draft pick you think? I really don't think they want another guy like Kawhi and his uncle.


How active is Ron Harper in his son's life? Because his twitter feed definitely has old man screaming at the TV vibes. Is he gonna be the kind of dude who does interviews talking about his son should play more, and tweeting at players to pass Dylan the ball?

I'm not on Twitter/X, so I can't read his tweets.


what I read into Harper's tweet was that a lot can happen before the draft, such as a trade, or another player moving up, or even down. the Spurs will work out other players.

You could be 100% right. Too hard to say what he's thinking.


He's just being realistic. We live in a world where Luka was traded. Anything can happen.

Funny that Ron Harper write exactly the same way he speak. I can see his face when I read it. :lol

Yeah, true, maybe the Luka thing has everybody shook up and taken a bit of certainty away from people.


Ron Harper was a calming vet influence on five title teams. I don't think he's suddenly turning into Lavar Ball based on a single tweet telling people not to count their chickens.

Yes, I do recall people saying he was a calming influence back on those Bulls and Lakers teams, but that is when he was playing and he had control of what could go on the court. It could be different with his son that has franchise player potential and he might find it hard to hold back and not get involved if he thinks he's being held back. Hopefully that is not the case, though.

[Obstructed_View]

Look at the rest of his Twitter feed...

Pass. I'll take your word for it. You asked the question, I gave my opinion based on watching him as a player. Maybe he's different as a dad. I have overreacted defending my kids too. Most other pros who have kids in the league don't end up getting overly involved if my memory is correct. I certainly wouldn't worry about it.

[scott]

Pass. I'll take your word for it. You asked the question, I gave my opinion based on watching him as a player. Maybe he's different as a dad. I have overreacted defending my kids too. Most other pros who have kids in the league don't end up getting overly involved if my memory is correct. I certainly wouldn't worry about it.

It's not really anything bad... just a lot of social justice stuff (which is all good in my book) but then a lot of what I describe as "old man yelling at the TV" energy. Like there is a tweet at the LPGA for the event on TV being slow :lol

I'm legitimately curious if anyone knows how active he is in Dylan's life since he wasn't in that Toyota video. Could make for some entertaining social media activity if/when Dylan is a Spur

[Mr. Body]

There is a healthy chance the Harper camp isn't happy that the Spurs may draft him. There's a massive logjam at his position with an established star about to make the max and the reining ROY. On the very outside chance, he may not be happy that he'll always play second fiddle to Wembanyama, but let's assume that's not true.

They could see it as years before he gets his full chance and could be relegated to the bench.

[Mr. Body]

It's not really anything bad... just a lot of social justice stuff (which is all good in my book) but then a lot of what I describe as "old man yelling at the TV" energy. Like there is a tweet at the LPGA for the event on TV being slow :lol

I'm legitimately curious if anyone knows how active he is in Dylan's life since he wasn't in that Toyota video. Could make for some entertaining social media activity if/when Dylan is a Spur

Ron Harper is no longer married to Dylan's mom. He does appear cheering Dylan on during games. Dylan credits his mom for being his 'coach,' but recounts stories Ron told him growing up about the league. Ron seems to be more than involved, but it's not clear how much.

[Obstructed_View]

It's not really anything bad... just a lot of social justice stuff (which is all good in my book) but then a lot of what I describe as "old man yelling at the TV" energy. Like there is a tweet at the LPGA for the event on TV being slow :lol

I'm legitimately curious if anyone knows how active he is in Dylan's life since he wasn't in that Toyota video. Could make for some entertaining social media activity if/when Dylan is a Spur

Yeah, I always get my social justice opinions from someone who's been a millionaire for 35 years.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, I always get my social justice opinions from someone who's been a millionaire for 35 years.

The amount of money a person has doesn't factor into whether they are wrong or right. C'mon, that's just blitheringly stupid.

[scott]

Ron Harper is no longer married to Dylan's mom. He does appear cheering Dylan on during games. Dylan credits his mom for being his 'coach,' but recounts stories Ron told him growing up about the league. Ron seems to be more than involved, but it's not clear how much.

Thanks, Body.

[Obstructed_View]

There is a healthy chance the Harper camp isn't happy that the Spurs may draft him. There's a massive logjam at his position with an established star about to make the max and the reining ROY. On the very outside chance, he may not be happy that he'll always play second fiddle to Wembanyama, but let's assume that's not true.

They could see it as years before he gets his full chance and could be relegated to the bench.
Harper had star potential in Cleveland. He may have won ROY, I don't remember, but he was really good. Then he got traded to basketball hell before getting rescued by the Jordan Bulls as a role player and glue guy. I'll be interested in seeing how those experiences shape his opinions about his kid.

Another interesting note: I seem to remember that Harper had a debilitating stutter early on and worked really hard to overcome it. I've always liked him for that. I hope I'm remembering this right. :lol

[Guru of Nothing]

Dylan Harper and Stephon Castle trying to outcompete each other is exactly what I want to see.

[Obstructed_View]

The amount of money a person has doesn't factor into whether they are wrong or right. C'mon, that's just blitheringly stupid.

Okay.

[cd98]

Harper had star potential in Cleveland. He may have won ROY, I don't remember, but he was really good. Then he got traded to basketball hell before getting rescued by the Jordan Bulls as a role player and glue guy. I'll be interested in seeing how those experiences shape his opinions about his kid.

Another interesting note: I seem to remember that Harper had a debilitating stutter early on and worked really hard to overcome it. I've always liked him for that. I hope I'm remembering this right. :lol

I'm pretty sure Ron Harper tore an ACL back when it was an injury that robbed you of your athleticism. I think he worked his way back and ended up on the Bulls. Yes, he was a star with the Cavs pre-injury.

[dn0774]

It's going to be virtually impossible for Harper to be Cade in SA, because from day one the Pistons gave Cade the ball and made him the franchise guy. He never had a Wemby or Fox on his team he had to share the ball with.

Would Cade be Cade if his rookie year he had a big on his team taking around 20 shots a game and another ball dominant point guard in front of him? He wouldn't. Actually Cade would probably be Jaden Ivey :lol

Meh, James Harden came off the bench his first 3 seasons and he still became game breaking James Harden. If Dylan has legit superstar trajectory the team will absolutely accommodate and embrace it. If he is “just” a very good fringe all star then sharing the usage a bit his first couple seasons will be fine as well.

[Ice009]

I'm pretty sure Ron Harper tore an ACL back when it was an injury that robbed you of your athleticism. I think he worked his way back and ended up on the Bulls. Yes, he was a star with the Cavs pre-injury.

I only know him from the Bulls, so I never saw him at his athletic peak, but I read he was an explosive scorer and high flyer. And yes, I think he did tear an ACL (someone else will have to comment on that, though, as I'm not 100% sure on it).


Meh, James Harden came off the bench his first 3 seasons and he still became game breaking James Harden. If Dylan has legit superstar trajectory the team will absolutely accommodate and embrace it. If he is “just” a very good fringe all star then sharing the usage a bit his first couple seasons will be fine as well.

Good point. Maybe the Spurs could point that out to him early on to keep him on track if he's every frustrated with playing time, touches etc.

[BackHome]

People are so spoiled we get the 2nd pick in the draft and people are acting like he is a mid first pick they are several Franchises that would kill to have this pick. If I am the Spurs I am welcoming him with open arms and telling we have high hopes he will help us win a ring and also say he will be given all the chances to receive Rookie of the Year.

[Seventyniner]

There's also the chance that Ron Sr. wants Dylan to be the clear #1 guy on his team. That certainly won't happen with the Spurs.

[Ice009]

I never thought about the rookie of the year race. Do you guys think the Spurs will give him the chances to actually compete for it? Ron Harper Sr. definitely could be thinking of that angle too.

[cutewizard]

Dylan Harper's mother is Maria Pizarro. She is from Bataan, Philippines and played college basketball for the University of New Orleans. Currently, she is an assistant coach at Don Bosco Prep, according to Rutgers University Athletics (https://scarletknights.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/dylan-harper/14340). She has a strong background in basketball, coaching her son, Dylan, and being involved in his early development.

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[cutewizard]

Being a Filipino myself guys, you can be assured that Dylan will have incorporated all the values that we are known for

responsibility, humility, working hard, listening to mentors, etc

happy for him....i wanted a forward/center before for our first pick but now im warming up to the Triumvirate.......

[scott]

Being a Filipino myself guys, you can be assured that Dylan will have incorporated all the values that we are known for

responsibility, humility, working hard, listening to mentors, etc

happy for him....i wanted a forward/center before for our first pick but now im warming up to the Triumvirate.......

You didn't get the Pope, but you get the next great Spur. Seems like a good consolation prize!

[Obstructed_View]

I'm pretty sure Ron Harper tore an ACL back when it was an injury that robbed you of your athleticism. I think he worked his way back and ended up on the Bulls. Yes, he was a star with the Cavs pre-injury.

Yeah that sounds right. Amazing how far it's come that guys come back from an ACL like it's nothing, but it used to be a career-ender.

[Mr. Body]

Being a Filipino myself guys, you can be assured that Dylan will have incorporated all the values that we are known for

responsibility, humility, working hard, listening to mentors, etc


... voting in corrupt dictators...

j/k

[cutewizard]

... voting in corrupt dictators...

j/k

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this is true man, i hope that more and more of us are educated....

having said that, i am highly educated myself, with an excellent Google Scholar profile

and its been a long time > i havent voted, hehehe

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCk0gm26zcg

[scottspurs]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OzE9svbXd8Q?si=Qn5blCx_eDhB-oB7

Dylan Harper may sound humble off the court but the dude is a Dog on it. Hit the game winner against Cooper Flagg’s team in the Jordan Brand Classic game and shouted “I’m number fucking one”. in reference to the top pick. Scored 38 points in that game, outplayed Cooper Flagg and was named MVP. By no means am I saying he is better than Flagg but this guy is competitive and believes he is the best. I like it.

[cutewizard]

Hope the three of them will click man

Fox, Castle and Harper

but for now, Fox must be top dog, after Wemby, no question right?

[Atl Spur]

Ron Harper pre injury was a beast! I remember when he blew out his knee. Okc trotted out 4 small guards and Chet but spurs fans wondering if our jumbo size guards can coexist. We are good if we Harper good people.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6b3TPYsa7M

[cutewizard]

KAIZEN >>>> Ability to improve.....

Castle has it, Harper has it

We are going to be set until the coming of the aliens, hahahahaha

[Ni-G]

Let's hope Mitch has it as well to grow with the guys. Any news about any new assistants?

[Chomag]

Harper is a no Brainer at 2nd,grab him and worry about fit later as swe have at least a year or 2 before we have to have that figured out.

[barakz21]

Being a Filipino myself guys, you can be assured that Dylan will have incorporated all the values that we are known for

responsibility, humility, working hard, listening to mentors, etc

happy for him....i wanted a forward/center before for our first pick but now im warming up to the Triumvirate.......

Imagine my surprise when I learned that Harper is a Fil-Am. Double that surprise when found out he went a Don Bosco school!

[RC_Drunkford]

I doubt that Ron Harper doesn't want Dylan to be Wemby's future sidekick. Especially when he himself played with MJ

[TheBallsbreakers]

Can't wait

[exstatic]

I never thought about the rookie of the year race. Do you guys think the Spurs will give him the chances to actually compete for it? Ron Harper Sr. definitely could be thinking of that angle too.

Don’t really care, and consider it unlikely. Unless Flagg gets injured or falls flat on his face, the award will be his.

Castle basically won the award because he was the #1 option for like the last 20-25 games. Pray that doesn’t happen for a second straight year, with Dylan this time. . Losing the big guns again would mean another lost season. The media machine REALLY didn’t want Castle to win, and SA to go back to back. They will do anything to keep a 3rd straight award from the Spurs.

I think Dylan’s mom has his ear more than his father. Just a hunch.

[Manu-of-steel]

Im sold

[Manu-of-steel]

... voting in corrupt dictators...

j/k

Very much like the US of A. Lol!!

[Extra Stout]

I think it won’t be a problem having a guard rotation of Fox, Castle, Harper, Vassell. With Wemby, assuming he can set good screens, they’ll pick-and-roll everyone to death. 3-point shots that are created will be open, catch-and-shoot type. If Castle can’t knock those down, then his role becomes more limited.

The problem with the lineup is a lack of defense and rebounding up front other than Wemby. Barnes lacks those things as a 4 despite his knockdown shooting. He’s better suited off the bench. Sochan doesn’t have great size, and his lack of shooting even when left alone in his own zip code really is a liability. They need a legit stretch 4. Flagg would have been an ideal fit, but oh well, you don’t complain about missing the Powerball when you matched all the other numbers.

[Dejounte]

The problem is Wemby can’t set good screens, and when he does, we’ve seen him almost get injured. A 4/5 big is a must. Not a skinny Cam Johnson or Ace Bailey type.

[exstatic]

The thing with big guards is they can run a ton of inverted pick and rolls where they set the screens. I mean,if they can successfully run it with Tre Jones setting the picks, Castle and Harper should feast.

[Extra Stout]

The problem is Wemby can’t set good screens, and when he does, we’ve seen him almost get injured. A 4/5 big is a must. Not a skinny Cam Johnson type.
Either he learns how to do that or you can’t ever really build an offense around him. He doesn’t camp out down low, he dribbles so high it’s easy to pick his pocket, and so if you can’t run PnR with him how exactly can he be the focal point? Did I read somewhere that the offense actually got better when he went out for the year? The defense just got so much worse that it more than offset.

[Atl Spur]

The thing with big guards is they can run a ton of inverted pick and rolls where they set the screens. I mean,if they can successfully run it with Tre Jones setting the picks, Castle and Harper should feast.

Now you’re getting it! They can also post up the Cason Wallace’s of the world and require double teams,

[Atl Spur]

Either he learns how to do that or you can’t ever really build an offense around him. He doesn’t camp out down low, he dribbles so high it’s easy to pick his pocket, and so if you can’t run PnR with him how exactly can he be the focal point? Did I read somewhere that the offense actually got better when he went out for the year? The defense just got so much worse that it more than offset.

Jeremy must embrace a Draymond Green role, hence having him play point last year. His handles, rebounding and finishing must improve.

[Poolboy5623]

Jeremy must embrace a Draymond Green role, hence having him play point last year. His handles, rebounding and finishing must improve.


He doesn't seem to have the bball IQ-

[Kurgan]

Whoa, I never even thought of that possibility. Could Dallas really do it?

Zero percent chance that Dallas passes up the opportunity to draft the greatest whiteboy prospect since Luka. In the event that they were interested in Harper, they'd see how much they can pry from the Spurs in a trade down. #2, #14, and their swap back would be the bare minimimum and even that wouldn't be enough.

[Mr. Body]

I would be utterly unsurprised if Silver went up to the podium and announced, "With the number 1 pick the Dallas Mavericks select... wait a minute," flips over the card, looks at it again. "They select... Dylan Harper."

Pandemonium.

[rjv]

Don’t really care, and consider it unlikely. Unless Flagg gets injured or falls flat on his face, the award will be his.

Castle basically won the award because he was the #1 option for like the last 20-25 games. Pray that doesn’t happen for a second straight year, with Dylan this time. . Losing the big guns again would mean another lost season. The media machine REALLY didn’t want Castle to win, and SA to go back to back. They will do anything to keep a 3rd straight award from the Spurs.

I think Dylan’s mom has his ear more than his father. Just a hunch.

lioness and male lion. that's my vibe.

[LeBowen]

I would be utterly unsurprised if Silver went up to the podium and announced, "With the number 1 pick the Dallas Mavericks select... wait a minute," flips over the card, looks at it again. "They select... Dylan Harper."

Pandemonium.

I'll say it again, Nico won't be able to take that Flagg is the future face of New Balance and will want a Nike player instead.

[dn0774]

Zero percent chance that Dallas passes up the opportunity to draft the greatest whiteboy prospect since Luka. In the event that they were interested in Harper, they'd see how much they can pry from the Spurs in a trade down. #2, #14, and their swap back would be the bare minimimum and even that wouldn't be enough.

I wonder who calls who first, Nico or BWright? Like you said though, 0% chance, Adelsons won’t allow it as Cooper should be amazing even if the fit is weird right now. I do think Harper has a decent chance to be a more devastating offensive player down the road but Cooper feels like a sure thing defensively (Marion or Kirilenko possibilities) and projects to at least be a good 2nd tier offensive player.

[BackHome]

I was All In for the “Tank For Flagg” to all my other tankers we were so damn close I am still a little depressed :(. But can’t live in the past and I am honestly Extremely Happy we will be getting Harper with the second pick in the draft. If Pop and Mitch don’t screw things up we hopefully will be Playoff bound for the next several years in a row.

PS - We told you anti tankers this was the best and fastest way to improve our team and we off course were right.

[LeBowen]

PS - We told you anti tankers this was the best and fastest way to improve our team and we off course were right.

Now go and post that on Wizards/Jazz/Hornets/Netstalk or whatever their forums are.

It's blind luck and Spurs keep getting lucky.
They obviously had no plans to tank, we would've most likely made the play-in if Wemby stayed healthy.
But after Wemby went down, there was no reason to keep competing.

[BackHome]

It is not luck we are right with the Basketball Gods you are just a non believer. Lol.

PS. Your going to love Harper

[cd98]

I’m totally good with Harper. I moderately care about the 14th pick. If Spurs don’t mortgage their future on Giannis or any other Supermax players and just draft Harper, I’ll be happy.

[tbdog]

After listening to Holinger and Duncan podcast about the Spurs situation, I am leaned more in favour of trading Castle. The fit isn't there and is more likely than not, never going to be there. If the Spurs go into the season in a 'let us see,' mode, then one of them, namely Castle, trade value dips. It's kinda the best time to trade Castle now. They also said the most obvious choice is to trade Fox, which they won't.

IMO, personally, it comes down what the Spurs staff is seeing with their shot. I think Fox will return his 3 point shot after recovering from injury. I don't know if Harper will be a plus shooter. Castle plays like Butler out there and he has worked things out.

Man, it's a good problem the spurs have but stressful. I don't have a pulse what the Spurs will do.

Fox and Sochan extension.

Giannis and Durant are on the block.

Boston situation has really spun the league. I think they might do a fire sale on their vets, who won't be around when Tatum is back.

These 3 guards the spurs might have has put Vassell in a position I think he won't be suited.

Orlando will make a move for a shooter.

Cam Johnson will be dealt.

Utah gotta do something.

Dallas will have a log jam down low.

Pelicans will make moves.

[scott]

After listening to Holinger and Duncan podcast about the Spurs situation, I am leaned more in favour of trading Castle. The fit isn't there and is more likely than not, never going to be there. If the Spurs go into the season in a 'let us see,' mode, then one of them, namely Castle, trade value dips. It's kinda the best time to trade Castle now. They also said the most obvious choice is to trade Fox, which they won't.

IMO, personally, it comes down what the Spurs staff is seeing with their shot. I think Fox will return his 3 point shot after recovering from injury. I don't know if Harper will be a plus shooter. Castle plays like Butler out there and he has worked things out.

Man, it's a good problem the spurs have but stressful. I don't have a pulse what the Spurs will do.

Fox and Sochan extension.

Giannis and Durant are on the block.

Boston situation has really spun the league. I think they might do a fire sale on their vets, who won't be around when Tatum is back.

These 3 guards the spurs might have has put Vassell in a position I think he won't be suited.

Orlando will make a move for a shooter.

Cam Johnson will be dealt.

Utah gotta do something.

Dallas will have a log jam down low.

Pelicans will make moves.

If you are the GM, what is the Castle trade you would be looking for?

[mo7888]

After listening to Holinger and Duncan podcast about the Spurs situation, I am leaned more in favour of trading Castle. The fit isn't there and is more likely than not, never going to be there. If the Spurs go into the season in a 'let us see,' mode, then one of them, namely Castle, trade value dips. It's kinda the best time to trade Castle now. They also said the most obvious choice is to trade Fox, which they won't.

IMO, personally, it comes down what the Spurs staff is seeing with their shot. I think Fox will return his 3 point shot after recovering from injury. I don't know if Harper will be a plus shooter. Castle plays like Butler out there and he has worked things out.

Man, it's a good problem the spurs have but stressful. I don't have a pulse what the Spurs will do.

Fox and Sochan extension.

Giannis and Durant are on the block.

Boston situation has really spun the league. I think they might do a fire sale on their vets, who won't be around when Tatum is back.

These 3 guards the spurs might have has put Vassell in a position I think he won't be suited.

Orlando will make a move for a shooter.

Cam Johnson will be dealt.

Utah gotta do something.

Dallas will have a log jam down low.

Pelicans will make moves.

They tried to cover everything in that. Personally, I think there are going to be several trades that surprise this summer due to the cba. I have no idea if we'll be involved, but I expect it to be wild.

[Gandalf]

If you are the GM, what is the Castle trade you would be looking for?

I wouldn’t trade Castle - that said, it would be funny at some level to trade #4 Castle for #1 Risacher plus extra. Spurs need a shooter / small forward, and Hawks will need a point when Young demands a trade. Maybe throw in Sochan for Daniels or something.

[exstatic]

I wouldn’t trade Castle - that said, it would be funny at some level to trade #4 Castle for #1 Risacher plus extra. Spurs need a shooter / small forward, and Hawks will need a point when Young demands a trade. Maybe throw in Sochan for Daniels or something.

Hawks will likely never trade with us again, after getting fleeced.

[CGD]

Nate Duncan is a smart cap guy but he tends to be pretty lousy at the draft/talent evaluation. He gets himself in trouble, in a similar way to Givony when he starts speculating about trades/free agency.

[scott]

I wouldn’t trade Castle - that said, it would be funny at some level to trade #4 Castle for #1 Risacher plus extra. Spurs need a shooter / small forward, and Hawks will need a point when Young demands a trade. Maybe throw in Sochan for Daniels or something.

Completely different topic, but same vibes... saw on Reddit someone suggesting we should try to trade for Buzelis. My internal mental reaction was "bruh, we had our chance... that ship has sailed into the night"

[CGD]

Hawks will likely never trade with us again, after getting fleeced.

Maybe? They passed the buck along to NOP quite nicely to salvage that deal.

[dn0774]

I'd love to hear what could be had for Castle. The caveat as we all know is that trading Steph after a RotY season would be an extremely un-Spurs like move. I really don't want to see him moved, especially before we see what kind of incremental improvements to his game he can make during the off season. Maybe sit tight for now so we can get some data on Harper in action and year 2 Castle and reassess before trade deadline?

I believe in the talent and work ethic of Castle, I hope he is willing to see the writing on the wall and reshape his game if the Spurs do indeed draft Harper. The high usage he enjoyed last year won't be as consistently available if Harper is legit and Fox/Wemby are healthy; Castle needs to become a legit defensive stopper that opponents hate playing against and at least develop a decent corner 3 to stick on the team.

[dn0774]

Hawks will likely never trade with us again, after getting fleeced.

Sacto and Chicago keep getting fleeced and they still trade with us lol.

[tbdog]

If you are the GM, what is the Castle trade you would be looking for?

Oh man. Only for a big fish. Not a side trade on the margins. Like I wouldn't include Castle in a deal for Cam Johnson or Josh Collins, or PJ Washington or something silly like that.

So I would include Castle in a big deal to help get a big name. Giannis as an example. Bam, Anthony Davis, or Jaren Jackson, or Jaylen Brown. Maybe go as low as Trey Murphy III or Keagan Murry in a much smaller package. Or something like Desmond Bane.


The best deal would be to get Durant and keep Castle/Harper/Fox. It's the most seamless fit and will give the spurs more time to check out the trio backcourt. And by that stage the answer could be to trade Fox, he might be the odd man out.

[Gandalf]

I liked that Castle went to that shooting specialist in LA to work on his game—and it helped. I hope he turns out to be the next Kawhi (minus Kawhi’s issues). I think he can improve his shot and play the three.

[tbdog]

I liked that Castle went to that shooting specialist in LA to work on his game—and it helped. I hope he turns out to be the next Kawhi (minus Kawhi’s issues). I think he can improve his shot and play the three.

Kawhi was given tips before the lockout. When the league resumed, he was a plus shooter. It was an amazing effort. But also Kawhi only needed a small correction. I don't analyse shooting strokes. I can't tell you if Castle shot is proper broken or not.

[baseline bum]

Oh man. Only for a big fish. Not a side trade on the margins. Like I wouldn't include Castle in a deal for Cam Johnson or Josh Collins, or PJ Washington or something silly like that.

So I would include Castle in a big deal to help get a big name. Giannis as an example. Bam, Anthony Davis, or Jaren Jackson, or Jaylen Brown. Maybe go as low as Trey Murphy III or Keagan Murry in a much smaller package. Or something like Desmond Bane.


The best deal would be to get Durant and keep Castle/Harper/Fox. It's the most seamless fit and will give the spurs more time to check out the trio backcourt. And by that stage the answer could be to trade Fox, he might be the odd man out.

I wouldn't trade Keldon for Jaylen Brown and that awful 35% supermax contract much less Steph.

[BackHome]

One thing Castle has in common with KY is the love of basketball your not going to see him clubbing, spending all Summer playing video games he will be in the gym working hard. I would be very surprised if his shooting numbers do not improve in all categories this upcoming season.

[baseline bum]

With Castle on a rookie contract and with the tools to develop into a truly elite defensive stopper there is very little out there I'd trade him for. Part of a package to get Cooper Flagg? Yes. Package to get Jokic? Of course. Package to get Giannis? Probably. But you go lower than that and I'm good with what we have.

[ace3g]

This might have been Ron Harper's response to any scenario...

https://x.com/SpursCulture/status/1923565893914656955

[spursistan]

One thing Castle has in common with KY is the love of basketball your not going to see him clubbing, spending all Summer playing video games he will be in the gym working hard. I would be very surprised if his shooting numbers do not improve in all categories this upcoming season.
Castle is already back at it. Hard to not see the guy's work ethics and dedication. The way he talks and carries himself were enough for me to discern these qualities. I would be shocked if the Spurs give up so early on him without seeing his development arc for at least another 2-3 years. Kirk Goldsberry, a Spurs insider, recently noted how much people inside the organization were raving about his 'intangibles'..

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[dn0774]

Just listened to the Hollinger and Duncan pod mentioned last page and tidbit I found interesting is Duncan saying Spurs should explore the Giannis trade without #2/Harper being part of it. Essentially empty the chest of draft picks and any players not named Fox/Wemby/Harper. I personally always assumed Harper would have to be part of it because he would become the guy the Bucks could credibly build around going forward.

I'm still not interested in the Giannis path but I will admit if Harper isn't included it is at least a bit more palatable.

[T Park]

draft Harper.

id keep the 14th and get a Colin Coward or Rasheer Fleming but im sure they'll trade it.

sign Brook Lopez . get another 3 and D guy. trade for a Cam Johnson.


maybe sign a veteran third PG for injuries etc.

[T Park]

Yeah that sounds right. Amazing how far it's come that guys come back from an ACL like it's nothing, but it used to be a career-ender.

killed the prime of Terry Cummings. dude was a 20 point a game guy, big help to David Robinson, then bam, no lift on his jumper and relegated to bench guy.

[Ice009]

One thing Castle has in common with KY is the love of basketball your not going to see him clubbing, spending all Summer playing video games he will be in the gym working hard. I would be very surprised if his shooting numbers do not improve in all categories this upcoming season.


Castle is already back at it. Hard to not see the guy's work ethics and dedication. The way he talks and carries himself were enough for me to discern these qualities. I would be shocked if the Spurs give up so early on him without seeing his development arc for at least another 2-3 years. Kirk Goldsberry, a Spurs insider, recently noted how much people inside the organization were raving about his 'intangibles'..

I was just about to reply to Backhome's comment with this as I saw what you posted in the other thread. Steph's already hard at work, so that is awesome to see. Also, great to read what you said about people inside the organization raving about his intangibles (something that most of us knew/guessed already).

And yes, I definitely would not want Castle traded (even for Giannis) because, knowing his work ethic, I want to see his improvements that he will definitely make during the off-season before I'd even consider it.

What was Ron Harper replying to when he said "Not my choice but we will see June 25"?

[exstatic]

Maybe? They passed the buck along to NOP quite nicely to salvage that deal.

Yeah, but we still have their picks, so they can’t tank and rebuild. No sane FA is ever going to go there. Their ownership is cheap as chips. The only way to acquire high end talent for them is the draft. The picks they got from NO were the Laker pick this year, #22, and the less favorable of NO/MIL in 2027, 1-4 protected. Sneaky move by the Pels. If they somehow pull two top 4 picks, they get to keep them both, and ATL gets seconds.

[spursparker9]

Castle is already back at it. Hard to not see the guy's work ethics and dedication. The way he talks and carries himself were enough for me to discern these qualities. I would be shocked if the Spurs give up so early on him without seeing his development arc for at least another 2-3 years. Kirk Goldsberry, a Spurs insider, recently noted how much people inside the organization were raving about his 'intangibles'..

shade of SGA tbh

[tbdog]

If Castle can't shoot, he'll struggle on a real team. His true shooting percentage just wasn't good. There is a lot to work on. 'If only he could shoot' is a line we often hear. Most often, they never actually learn to shoot.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Castle can't shoot, he'll struggle on a real team. His true shooting percentage just wasn't good. There is a lot to work on. 'If only he could shoot' is a line we often hear. Most often, they never actually learn to shoot.

the thing is he can shoot. He just has to make his shots at a higher percentage. Huge difference.

[Ice009]

the thing is he can shoot. He just has to make his shots at a higher percentage. Huge difference.

Yep. What TBDog said it true in quite a lot of cases, but he doesn't look someone that can't shoot to me. I do think he's got a bit of a feel for shooting the ball. I believe with more repetition and working on it, he'll get his consistency up and be a good shooter in my opinion. He'll work his ass of on it. It won't be because of a lack of work.

[sfernald]

This might have been Ron Harper's response to any scenario...

https://x.com/SpursCulture/status/1923565893914656955


One thing I haven’t really seen mentioned here is that in his twitter he keeps posting Harper trade ideas to Nets as if he really wants him to be a net not a spur.

He said something like Nets has enough Knicks picks to get the job done. One trade proposed was #2 for Cam Johnson + #7 + three future unprotected picks

Would something like that interest anyone?

[mo7888]

One thing I haven’t really seen mentioned here is that in his twitter he keeps posting Harper trade ideas to Nets as if he really wants him to be a net not a spur.

He said something like Nets has enough Knicks picks to get the job done. One trade proposed was #2 for Cam Johnson + #7 + three future unprotected picks

Would something like that interest anyone?

I'm probably standing pat, but the FO would have to think long and hard about that.

[mo7888]

I'm probably standing pat, but the FO would have to think long and hard about that.

Here's the type of deal that would entice me to trade #2, and this assumes Miami would move Bam:

Heat- Keldon + #14 + #26 + #38 + 2027 atl pick + Wesley + Branham

Brooklyn- Devin + #2

Spurs- Bam + Cam + #8 + 2029 NY pick + 2031 NY pick

[Ice009]

One thing I haven’t really seen mentioned here is that in his twitter he keeps posting Harper trade ideas to Nets as if he really wants him to be a net not a spur.

He said something like Nets has enough Knicks picks to get the job done. One trade proposed was #2 for Cam Johnson + #7 + three future unprotected picks

Would something like that interest anyone?

Is Ron Harper Sr. coming up with the trade ideas himself, or is he just liking tweets from other people? I'm guessing he's coming up with them. This guy seems like trouble already. Daslicer was right.

If the Spurs do want to draft him, do you think they'll care what RH Sr. thinks?

Anyway, what would those future picks be? From the Nets or Knicks? It'd also depend on who's left there at number 7. I wonder if this is going to deter the Spurs if Ron Harper Sr. doesn't want him there.

[baseline bum]

killed the prime of Terry Cummings. dude was a 20 point a game guy, big help to David Robinson, then bam, no lift on his jumper and relegated to bench guy.

Seemed like 20ppg to 6ppg overnight

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dylan was born and raised in New Jersey right? Guess this is where the Nets proposed trades come from. Wish snr was a little more professional but Spurs should look past these things and not let them influence their decisions.

[baseline bum]

Here's the type of deal that would entice me to trade #2, and this assumes Miami would move Bam:

Heat- Keldon + #14 + #26 + #38 + 2027 atl pick + Wesley + Branham

Brooklyn- Devin + #2

Spurs- Bam + Cam + #8 + 2029 NY pick + 2031 NY pick

Gross, no thanks

[mo7888]

Gross, no thanks

You're not big on Bam huh?

[Vienna]

Here's the type of deal that would entice me to trade #2, and this assumes Miami would move Bam:

Heat- Keldon + #14 + #26 + #38 + 2027 atl pick + Wesley + Branham

Brooklyn- Devin + #2

Spurs- Bam + Cam + #8 + 2029 NY pick + 2031 NY pick

why would the Heat do this??
they are better that any other team in finding decent talent without using picks. some mediocre picks are useless for them.

[Leetonidas]

If Castle can't shoot, he'll struggle on a real team. His true shooting percentage just wasn't good. There is a lot to work on. 'If only he could shoot' is a line we often hear. Most often, they never actually learn to shoot.

It's not just shooting though. I love the kid but his percentages at the rim where pretty abysmal. He needs to work on his touch from everywhere

[mo7888]

why would the Heat do this??
they are better that any other team in finding decent talent without using picks. some mediocre picks are useless for them.

It's been suggested that they were considering moving Bam and going full rebuild. I was operating under that assumption.

[Ice009]

Yeah that sounds right. Amazing how far it's come that guys come back from an ACL like it's nothing, but it used to be a career-ender.

I never really thought about this much these days. Have the surgeries really improved that much (I suppose they have), or do you think it's better rehab and nutrition and whatever stuff that happens after the surgery these days. I wonder what has changed the most because I do remember players not coming back from this stuff. I am guessing better treatments and maybe stuff like stem cell therapy might be something that is getting used more too.

Do they still do the microfracture surgeries (I am guessing not as I haven't heard about them mentioned for a long time). I'm assuming there is better alternatives these days. I remember some of the players that got that, a lot of them never really got back to their old level.

I also wonder about achilles injuries. I also can't remember which leg it happened with on Kobe. Not sure if it was age or mileage, but he didn't seem to come back too well after it. I read/saw it mentioned somewhere that with Tatum it was on his non-jumping leg, so that should help in his case (plus advancement in the surgeries themselves). KD seems to have come back from it great too (KD has really come back from some of injuries really well, but then again, maybe there's been a lot of advancement compared to some of the players that got it done years ago).

[Mr. Body]

Bam's contract is about to turn into something horrific.

[exstatic]

One thing I haven’t really seen mentioned here is that in his twitter he keeps posting Harper trade ideas to Nets as if he really wants him to be a net not a spur.

He said something like Nets has enough Knicks picks to get the job done. One trade proposed was #2 for Cam Johnson + #7 + three future unprotected picks

Would something like that interest anyone?

Nets picks are transplanted Knicks picks,and would likely be crap. I wouldn’t put much stock in Ron’s tweets. Dylan is closer to his mom.

[exstatic]

It's not just shooting though. I love the kid but his percentages at the rim where pretty abysmal. He needs to work on his touch from everywhere

You keep saying this, and it keeps not being true. His percentage 0-3 Ft from the rim is .655.

[Ice009]

You keep saying this, and it keeps not being true. His percentage 0-3 Ft from the rim is .655.

I was going to comment on that, but I wasn't sure of the numbers. I thought I'd read a day or two ago his percentage was really good at the rim.

[exstatic]

I was going to comment on that, but I wasn't sure of the numbers. I thought I'd read a day or two ago his percentage was really good at the rim.

Basketball reference website

[rascal]

Spurs are going to be a fun team to watch. They finally have players who can run out on a break and quickly convert on a fast break off turnovers and long rebounds.
Players who can break down a half court defense with the ability to get to the basket and convert.

I can see Harper, Castle and Fox feeding each other on cuts to the basket.

[CGD]

Bam's contract is about to turn into something horrific.

I’d have to think hard about who has the worst contract between Bam and Spurstalk fave Lauri Markenen.

[RC_Drunkford]

It's been suggested that they were considering moving Bam and going full rebuild. I was operating under that assumption.

Bam's contract would actually fit salary cap wise. The thing is I don't see what would make the Heat trade him to us, if we're not giving up one of Castle/Harper. If we could get him for draft picks and a bunch of role players, you make that deal every time, I just don't think it's realistic.

The way his contract is structured it would allow us to keep Wemby/Castle/Harper/Fox and Bam while being under the tax to add a bench/keep some of our current bench guys.

Giannis 25/26: 57.6 million 26/27: 62.2 million 27/28: 66.8 million (player Option)

Bam 25/26: 37.1 millon 26/27: 51.9 million 27/28: 56.1 million 28/29: 60.2 million (player Option)

I know it's not a huge difference, but that extra wiggle room plus still having Harper and Castle on rookie deals would give you enough ammo to have a deep enough bench. After 2028/29 you can trade Fox to reload and extend Castle. Then see what you can work out with Bam.

[John B]

Spurs are going to be a fun team to watch. They finally have players who can run out on a break and quickly convert on a fast break off turnovers and long rebounds.
Players who can break down a half court defense with the ability to get to the basket and convert.

I can see Harper, Castle and Fox feeding each other on cuts to the basket.

Not to mention all 3 can pass an ally-oop to Wemby with all that cutting.

[sfernald]

Is Ron Harper Sr. coming up with the trade ideas himself, or is he just liking tweets from other people? I'm guessing he's coming up with them. This guy seems like trouble already. Daslicer was right.

If the Spurs do want to draft him, do you think they'll care what RH Sr. thinks?

Anyway, what would those future picks be? From the Nets or Knicks? It'd also depend on who's left there at number 7. I wonder if this is going to deter the Spurs if Ron Harper Sr. doesn't want him there.

If you want to delve into it more there is a YouTube video that goes into more detail:


https://youtu.be/uSO12HK7t2Y?si=jLwe5opGmhp3L7Jz

[mo7888]

Bam's contract would actually fit salary cap wise. The thing is I don't see what would make the Heat trade him to us, if we're not giving up one of Castle/Harper. If we could get him for draft picks and a bunch of role players, you make that deal every time, I just don't think it's realistic.

The way his contract is structured it would allow us to keep Wemby/Castle/Harper/Fox and Bam while being under the tax to add a bench/keep some of our current bench guys.

Giannis 25/26: 57.6 million 26/27: 62.2 million 27/28: 66.8 million (player Option)

Bam 25/26: 37.1 millon 26/27: 51.9 million 27/28: 56.1 million 28/29: 60.2 million (player Option)

I know it's not a huge difference, but that extra wiggle room plus still having Harper and Castle on rookie deals would give you enough ammo to have a deep enough bench. After 2028/29 you can trade Fox to reload and extend Castle. Then see what you can work out with Bam.

I'm not sure they'd want to trade with us either, but if they decide to rebuild it don't see alot of teams beating that offer. Maybe Philly with #3 if Miami is willing to absorb PG?

[sfernald]

One thing to mention about Harper. His stats would be even better, probably 23 pts plus per game, but got a severe flu that made him miss some games and then play some games where he went practically scoreless. Took him quite a while to get back to game shape. Guess he should probably spend more time in polluted creeks to stay healthy.

https://247sports.com/college/rutgers/article/steve-pikiell-details-impact-of-flu-on-dylan-harper-243661102/

[Ni-G]

Another nice overview of Dylan and his potential fit on Spurs team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_OV3CHT9jU

[scottspurs]

Harper also played through a high ankle sprain in January that eventually caused him to miss a game.

[dn0774]

One thing to mention about Harper. His stats would be even better, probably 23 pts plus per game, but got a severe flu that made him miss some games and then play some games where he went practically scoreless. Took him quite a while to get back to game shape. Guess he should probably spend more time in polluted creeks to stay healthy.

https://247sports.com/college/rutgers/article/steve-pikiell-details-impact-of-flu-on-dylan-harper-243661102/

Wonder how he is with the dreaded cedar allergies. Him and Wemby gonna be the sniffle brothers every year?

[dn0774]

Harper also played through a high ankle sprain in January that eventually caused him to miss a game.

Yea overall he played like 4 or 5 games where he probably should've sat and rested. In an 82 game NBA season that kind of thing doesn't impact the averages too much but when you play 29 games in a college season it certainly does.

[Leetonidas]

You keep saying this, and it keeps not being true. His percentage 0-3 Ft from the rim is .655.

Good call. I think the data I was remembering was in the paint but not in the restricted area

[exstatic]

Good call. I think the data I was remembering was in the paint but not in the restricted area

I’ll readily admit his float game isn’t there yet, but not a lot of rookies come in with that game ready.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm not sure they'd want to trade with us either, but if they decide to rebuild it don't see alot of teams beating that offer. Maybe Philly with #3 if Miami is willing to absorb PG?

I mean we are fleecing the Heat in your trade proposal. I wouldn't even trade #2 to Brooklyn if that was the case. Draft Harper and get Bam. I'd be even willing to send a way heavier pick package to Miami if all we send them is Keldon, Wesley and Branham. I don't even think #14, #38, 2027 ATL, 2029 Spurs unprotected and 2031 Spurs with SAC swap rights would be enough to get him.

The one advantage is that he doesn't fit OKC's or Houston's roster, which means there would be a much lesser bidding war going on.

[LeBowen]

Adebayo? We ran out of ideas, tbh. :lol
I'd rather pay Giannis $70M than Adebayo $35M.

Even if we were to trade for him, it's not happening without Castle or Harper, Riley might be senile at this point, but he's not retarded.

[Ice009]

Adebayo? We ran out of ideas, tbh. :lol
I'd rather pay Giannis $70M than Adebayo $35M.

Even if we were to trade for him, it's not happening without Castle or Harper, Riley might be senile at this point, but he's not retarded.

Yep. Pat Riley won't get fleeced that easily.

[exstatic]

Best case with Bam is that he’s worth about half of that disgusting contract. Worst case is twenty five percent. He’s shown worst case scenario play recently.

[Ice009]

I'm interested in Bam the player, but not at that contract. The NBA salaries suck. There's not many max guys in the league, but lots of players get paid max money that aren't worth that amount.

Guys like TD, Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, they were all worth more than the max. It's insulting to guys like Jokic, Giannis, Shai etc. that other guys get anywhere near the same amount of money.

[shibaspur]

Drafting this kid will bring us one step closer to the beautiful game for sure. Assuming our shooting improves across the board (which is definitely a big ask), our closing lineup can field 3 capable ball handlers (Fox, Castle, Harper), a cutter (Sochan) and Wemby. So freaking excited for this team's future :D

[sfernald]

Drafting this kid will bring us one step closer to the beautiful game for sure. Assuming our shooting improves across the board (which is definitely a big ask), our closing lineup can field 3 capable ball handlers (Fox, Castle, Harper), a cutter (Sochan) and Wemby. So freaking excited for this team's future :D

If sochan could ever make threes at a reasonable clip he might be a perfect fit there. Damn not sure he ever will tho tbh.

[OldMan88]

Don’t remember where, but I read that Harper didn’t get called for any offensive charging fouls all season with Rutgers. That’s encouraging if true.

Dallas will certainly pick the “consensus” top prospect, so definitely Flagg unless he drops & Harper is elevated to #1.

Harper will be a good fit for playing with Castle…. No way we should trade Castle. With Fox, our backcourt will be a nightmare for most other teams.