Future Spur: Dylan Harper

[Uriel]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Dylan-Harper-768x432.jpg

Dylan Harper

College: Rutgers
Position: PG/SG
Age: 19
Height: 6-foot-6
Weight: 215 pounds

Spurs Comparison: Bigger-framed Derrick White
Strengths: High basketball IQ and playmaking, size and length, crafty scoring and finishing, shooting upside
Weaknesses: Average explosiveness, streaky pull-up jumper, lateral quickness, jump-shot mechanics

For those who are disappointed we didn't win the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes, think of it like this: Harper likely would've been the #1 pick in last year's draft (or for that matter, 2013, 2017, 2018, etc).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B07F661jz0I

[spurraider21]

he's closer to Manu than White in terms of playstyle. he gets to the rim relentlessly. no he's not as creative a passer as Manu, but his game is built on getting to the rim and he's a pick and roll maestro. i dont really see the White comp at all other than approximate size

[scott]

Getting increasingly hyped with each video I watch of him and his personality in that Chicken Adobo video is very Spurs-y.

I like the comparison to OKC’s 3-guard/2-big lineup. We obviously need to find a legit second big though.

Let’s fuckin’ go.

[Ice009]

I also didn't realize he wears number 2. I was thinking the Spurs wanted it left open in case they get the number 1 pick. Didn't realize Harper also has that number. Seems like it was the plan all along getting one of the top 2.

[Uriel]

he's closer to Manu than White in terms of playstyle. he gets to the rim relentlessly. no he's not as creative a passer as Manu, but his game is built on getting to the rim and he's a pick and roll maestro. i dont really see the White comp at all other than approximate size
Yeah, I was originally gonna put bigger framed Derrick White / precision-tuned Manu Ginobili as the comp, but then stopped myself because I felt invoking Manu was too blasphemous.

[Robz4000]

Warming up to him but I'd still prefer to trade the pick tbh.

[skin27]

People forget what happened to scoot henderson.lmao

that guy should’ve been a number 1 overall pick in if he is not on wemby’s draft class.

[Blizzardwizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B07F661jz0I


that last play was so 12-13 tony parker core


crazily tight handle. initial patience followed by a deceptively-sudden spin move. creative flip-finish through contact with insane balance. awesome.

[LeBowen]

People forget what happened to scoot henderson.lmao

that guy should’ve been a number 1 overall pick in if he is not on wemby’s draft class.

Scoot was supposed to be a Westbrook tier athlete.
Harper has 3 inches on him and is a skilled player who doesn't rely on athleticism.

After watching some videos, I don't see Spurs trading this kid away if his personality is right.

[tbdog]

Man, those handles are so tight. Usually rookies have high dribbles. His is so low and control, while not being flashy.

[Dejounte]

Showtime Spurs if they draft this guy or trade for Giannis

Big time talent boost to our core

the hard part is done

After this step, get all the scrubs from gleague or wherever to full out role players. You can get far in the playoffs with just being heavy at the top.

[Dejounte]

After seeing Dallas’ FO celebrate winning the first pick there’s no way they’re not keeping Flagg.

[exstatic]

People forget what happened to scoot henderson.lmao

that guy should’ve been a number 1 overall pick in if he is not on wemby’s draft class.

And yet, he didn’t even go #2, and has since been passed by Amen.

Scoot has nothing to do with Dylan Harper.

[ffadicted]

I don't watch much college basketball, but Derek White comparison? In what way? Seems incorrect on both ends of the floor, shot creation, shot selection, shooting, perimeter D, offball D, etc lol

[Mr. Body]

He's not White. He's a crafty bulky left handed guard. James Harden is really close.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Hell nah...Ace Bailey...we already have a PG that has the ball in his hands quite a bit...Bailey is an athletic wing with elite size and great shooting/scoring ability and defensive potential....why draft yet another combo guard with questionable shooting that needs the ball in his hands?

[RC_Drunkford]

Hell nah...Ace Bailey...we already have a PG that has the ball in his hands quite a bit...Bailey is an athletic wing with elite size and great shooting/scoring ability and defensive potential....why draft yet another combo guard with questionable shooting that needs the ball in his hands?

because he's a sure thing and Bailey could easily be a bust

[vy65]

Chicken adobo is gross … hard pass on the guy.

The more I think about it, the more he should be the pick and we move on with life. The view has always been about the long term, and you’re talking about he, Steph, and Wemby for 15 years.

[KobesAchilles]

Hell nah...Ace Bailey...we already have a PG that has the ball in his hands quite a bit...Bailey is an athletic wing with elite size and great shooting/scoring ability and defensive potential....why draft yet another combo guard with questionable shooting that needs the ball in his hands?
Bailey is my pick too. But I’m ok with Harper. He’s going to look very good playing for the Bucks. Giannis and Wemby frontcourt. Castle and Fox backcourt. Champ as our 3 guy while drafting a rookie shooter with the 14th pick. Thanks for the memories Devin and KJ. I’m pretty sure we are set with a rotation of: Fox, Castle, Sorber, Champ, Sochan, Barnes, Giannis, and Wemby. Just use our MLE on somebody and really that’s a championship level team

[TVI]

that last play was so 12-13 tony parker core


crazily tight handle. initial patience followed by a deceptively-sudden spin move. creative flip-finish through contact with insane balance. awesome.

His game has some similarities to Castle’s.

[ffadicted]

Do the people that want Bailey forget that we've been a lottery team for the past 6 years? Why the fuck would we try to draft for fit when our team is dogshit? Take BPA and don't spend more than 2 brain cells thinking about it.
Or do you really believe Bailey will be the better player over time?

[tbdog]

Do the people that want Bailey forget that we've been a lottery team for the past 6 years? Why the fuck would we try to draft for fit when our team is dogshit? Take BPA and don't spend more than 2 brain cells thinking about it.
Or do you really believe Bailey will be the better player over time?

Spurs going have Wemby, top 10, and Fox, top 30. I think that's the argument to draft fit. But tbh, you draft best available. It's not like Harper is strictly a point. He can play along side Fox or Castle.

[TekXX]

How is he like Harden without the good shooting?

[LeBowen]

How is he like Harden without the good shooting?

Apparently he's a 40% c&s 3pt shooter, watch some videos, most of his attempts are off the dribble, a lot of stepbacks in there.
Obviously a long way to go from Harden, but he's closer to Harden than Castle, tbh.

I'd say Cade is a fair comparison. With better defense.

[SpurSpike]

Hows his shooting? In that video he only takes 1 shot farther than 5 feet from the basket. Seems to like to penetrate and score at the rim, kinda like Castle.

[Seventyniner]

Apparently he's a 40% c&s 3pt shooter, watch some videos, most of his attempts are off the dribble, a lot of stepbacks in there.
Obviously a long way to go from Harden, but he's closer to Harden than Castle, tbh.

I'd say Cade is a fair comparison. With better defense.

In that case I don't see how the Spurs can even think about trading Harper, unless it's in some package for Flagg perhaps.

[ginobilized]

I'm psyched to get Harper!

I think Castle/Harper would be an eventual nightmare backcourt. Getting some time together against opponents 2nd teams would give them a chance to find their mojo. 2 6'6" guards that can pass, defend and get into the paint while a 7'4" alien lurks on the perimeter or rolls to the rim is fucking scary. Harper will make the Spurs do a serious re-evaluation of Vassell's role. OR, he becomes the piece that gets us Flagg. Complete win-win scenario.

My hope is that we can upgrade at the 3 & 4. That #14 pick might help a lot in that endeavor as a trade, especially.

[RC_Drunkford]

Harper's weakness is shooting off the dribble. He's a good catch and shoot player though, which helps playing alongside Fox and Castle.

[exstatic]

How is he like Harden without the good shooting?

James Harden is a career 36% 3G shooter. He ain’t Steph Curry, and wouldn’t be hard to match for Harper.

[LeBowen]

https://floorandceiling.substack.com/p/2025-nba-draft-dylan-harper-scouting


62.5% (60/96) at-rim in the half-court. 18.9% of his total makes at the rim have been assisted, per Bart Torvik (https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2025&p=Dylan%20Harper&t=Rutgers). Has 8 dunks in 23 games, with 5 coming in the half-court.




Questions about scoring and self-creation are about his jumper. Makes 32.1% (36/112) of his total threes. 27.1 3P% (19/70) on off-dribble threes, 26.3 2P% (10/38) on off-dribble twos.




37.0 3P% (17/46) on catch-and-shoots ... but 6/23 (26.1 3P%) on 'guarded' shots vs. 11/23 (47.8 3P%) on 'unguarded' shots gives me a bit of pause.




Effective pick-and-roll passer who is averaging 4 AST to 2.3 TOV per game (1.8 A/TO) on high usage.

[baseline bum]

After seeing Dallas’ FO celebrate winning the first pick there’s no way they’re not keeping Flagg.

Yeah and watching Flagg's post lottery interview there is no way he's going back to Duke.

[Eaglenole2002]

Where would Harper rank as a prospect in the past four drafts?

[scottspurs]

His form is perfect! The spacing at Rutgers was trash. With NBA spacing Harper will be not just a good shooter but potentially a great one. The feet 45 degrees, nice arch, high/quick release. Feet come together at ascent. He will be a really good shooter.

[scottspurs]

Where would Harper rank as a prospect in the past four drafts?


if going back to 2021, knowing what we know now

1. Wemby
2. Banchero
3. Holmgren
4. Flagg
5. Evan Mobley
6. Cade Cunningham
7. Derik Queen ( lol bring it)
8. Alperen Sengun
9. Dylan Harper
10. Stephon Castle

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922312643445964918

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922322043166466154

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922312643445964918

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922322043166466154

Clearly he needs to only shoot from the top of the key

[mo7888]

Where would Harper rank as a prospect in the past four drafts?

#7

Wemby
Flagg
Banchero
Chet
Mobley
Cade
Harper

[John B]

Bailey is my pick too. But I’m ok with Harper. He’s going to look very good playing for the Bucks. Giannis and Wemby frontcourt. Castle and Fox backcourt. Champ as our 3 guy while drafting a rookie shooter with the 14th pick. Thanks for the memories Devin and KJ. I’m pretty sure we are set with a rotation of: Fox, Castle, Sorber, Champ, Sochan, Barnes, Giannis, and Wemby. Just use our MLE on somebody and really that’s a championship level team

Fuck I love that lineup man. Getting the top 2 is like Ralph on Xmas morning. Just don’t shoot your eyes out trying to be too cute about it. Knowing the Spurs they will do the steady long-haul instead of selling the farm for quick rich. Draft Dylan and see how the Fox/Castle/Dylan/Wemby works out. Pop has always wanted that 3-guard offense and would be crazy motion offense especially tailored for Wemby, and not for someone else like Giannis. Wemby will be the star of this team. The more I think of it, the more I don’t see someone like Giannis coming in, nor the Spurs squandering all future picks but keeping them as steady pool to fortify a seemingly long Castle/Wemby/Dylan trio.

[John B]

Clearly he needs to only shoot from the top of the key

Fuck it still hasn’t dawned on me that we’re watching Dylan instead of obsessing on Kon’s height

[Mr. Body]

Fuck it still hasn’t dawned on me that we’re watching Dylan instead of obsessing on Kon’s height

Yeah, it's completely astounding that we got the #2 pick. Unbelievable.

[BatManu20]

Poor man's Cade Cunningham is prob his best comparison. He's 2 inches shorter than Cade and not nearly the shooter off the dribble Cade was coming out of Okie State, but there's definitely some similarities in their games. And you could argue he's better at getting to the cup than Cade. I do wish Harper was a bit taller, but beggars can't be choosers. His game should translate well to the NBA.

[spurraider21]

Poor man's Cade Cunningham is prob his best comparison. He's 2 inches shorter than Cade and not nearly the shooter off the dribble Cade was coming out of Okie State, but there's definitely some similarities in their games. And you could argue he's better at getting to the cup than Cade. I do wish Harper was a bit taller, but beggars can't be choosers. His game should translate well to the NBA.
james harden measured at 6'4 flat at the combine (nearly 6'11 wingspan). Harper's size will not be an issue at all

[LeBowen]

Yeah, it's completely astounding that we got the #2 pick. Unbelievable.

Then you realize we won't see them play an actual game for another 5 months.

[Mr. Body]

james harden measured at 6'4 flat at the combine (nearly 6'11 wingspan). Harper's size will not be an issue at all

His comp really is Harden to me. Obviously every player is different, but their stats and production were almost exactly the same at draft time, both are strong lefty guards who like to attack. Harden developed as a good three point shooter - if not a knockdown one - and right now is a better passer. But if Harper can get those lobs going on his drives against covers, there's a ton of similarity there.

[LeBowen]

While Flagg obviously has a higher potential and ceiling than Harper, guards still get overlooked in most drafts.
Not as much as they used to, but it happens a lot.

A quick look through draft history shows that 6'4-6'6 ballhandlers picked in top5 almost always deliver. Everyone becomes at least a good starter.
From 2010 and Evan Turner being a bust up until now you can argue that RJ Barrett is the most disappointing player becaus he doesn't excel at anything and is just an empty 20ppg scorer.
Exum was the other bust, but injuries broke him right away.

Odds of Harper not being a high end starter with his background, physical attributes and skillset are really low.
Obviously it's not a guarantee he can become an all-star level guard, but he's as safe of a pick as it gets.

[spurraider21]

His comp really is Harden to me. Obviously every player is different, but their stats and production were almost exactly the same at draft time, both are strong lefty guards who like to attack. Harden developed as a good three point shooter - if not a knockdown one - and right now is a better passer. But if Harper can get those lobs going on his drives against covers, there's a ton of similarity there.
harden never became that accurate of a 3pt shooter (career percentage of 36), but what made him such a threat is that he got to a point where his pull-up 3 was as accurate as his catch and shoot looks which made him ridiculously tough to guard, combined with his crazy rim pressure

[John B]

Then you realize we won't see them play an actual game for another 5 months.

At least we know they’re cooking at something. Plenty of time to get Wemby strong and back in the mix with everyone. Unlike 3 years ago hoping Sochan can actually dribble the full court before fumbling a pass.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[PopTheGOAT]

At least we know they’re cooking at something. Plenty of time to get Wemby strong and back in the mix with everyone. Unlike 3 years ago hoping Sochan can actually dribble the full court before fumbling a pass.
Going from playing Sochan at point to Fox, Castle, Harper is insane :lol

[montgod]

1922336292848750929

Just curious, they show Coop's score? Liked to compare with Bailey

[CorrectCrusader]

if going back to 2021, knowing what we know now

1. Wemby
2. Banchero
3. Holmgren
4. Flagg
5. Evan Mobley
6. Cade Cunningham
7. Derik Queen ( lol bring it)
8. Alperen Sengun
9. Dylan Harper
10. Stephon Castle

This is the worst list I have ever seen

[BatManu20]

james harden measured at 6'4 flat at the combine (nearly 6'11 wingspan). Harper's size will not be an issue at all

Yea I'm not worried about it either tbh, especially with his advanced handle and his propensity to get to the rim at will. These Freshman often times grow a little bit in their first couple years in the league too. Maybe he grows another inch or so in the near future. Even if he doesn't, this kid is our PG of the future. He's going to be elite in a few years imo. Really excited to get him. The fact we're splitting hairs on his height right now and not Kon Knipple's is a huge relief tbh.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqycDsXW0AAS5zV?format=jpg&name=large

[ginobilized]

The Spurs could build a 3 guard high speed juggernaut. Pop's wet dream.
They have to have the balls to let the power of friendship coalition dissolve a bit in order to add 2-3 solid pieces to make this a competitive squad.

Harper/Castle is the answer for the next decade+.

[Dverde]

I need growth plate measurements before a decision can be made.

[John B]

Yea I'm not worried about it either tbh, especially with his advanced handle and his propensity to get to the rim at will. These Freshman often times grow a little bit in their first couple years in the league too. Maybe he grows another inch or so in the near future. Even if he doesn't, this kid is our PG of the future. He's going to be elite in a few years imo. Really excited to get him. The fact we're splitting hairs on his height right now and not Kon Knipple's is a huge relief tbh.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqycDsXW0AAS5zV?format=jpg&name=large

I doubt Fox gives him the number 2 though. Maybe wear his dad’s other number 4, it would help me get over Derrick.

[rjv]

he's closer to Manu than White in terms of playstyle. he gets to the rim relentlessly. no he's not as creative a passer as Manu, but his game is built on getting to the rim and he's a pick and roll maestro. i dont really see the White comp at all other than approximate size


i like this spurs comp better; harper has a nice Euro step as well.

[LeBowen]

I doubt Fox gives him the number 2 though. Maybe wear his dad’s other number 4, it would help me get over Derrick.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9sfqe6TcKLxFLYjRI545Db6eIeE=/1400x1400/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25863062/usa_today_25350924.jpg

I think you got something mixed up. :lol

[BatManu20]

I doubt Fox gives him the number 2 though. Maybe wear his dad’s other number 4, it would help me get over Derrick.

Fox wears #4 hombre.

[jjspur]

A backcourt of Vassell, Fox, Castle and Harper is a bit problematic, but its a good problem to have. Now we can get rid of the scrubs (Branham and Wesley) and have a really top notch backcourt. Time to look for a forward and backup center.

[LeBowen]

A backcourt of Vassell, Fox, Castle and Harper is a bit problematic, but its a good problem to have. Now we can get rid of the scrubs (Branham and Wesley) and have a really top notch backcourt. Time to look for a forward and backup center.

Devin won't be a part of the backcourt anymore. As in Castle should be defending SFs when they're on the floor together, but Fox/Castle/Harper should be the guard rotation with Devin playing as a nominal SF on offense.

[RC_Drunkford]

you just need to watch the first 60 seconds to understand that this guy is a beast


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srLlOF3JVr8

[Dverde]

Spurs need to give him Zero and make Keldon change his number again.

[John B]

Fox wears #4 hombre.

Damn right. Because Ron Harper also intended to wear 4 with the Bulls but the number was Sloan’s and retired, and switched to 2 which is what Dylan use. Yup getting all mixed up. 2 is perfect next beside Wemby’s 1 for 21 (Timmy)

[Pauleta14]

Let's not forget who's our GM, Dylan Harper could very well end up being a couple 20131 20132 picks

[spurraider21]

Spurs need to give him Zero and make Keldon change his number again.
they should make keldon change the name on the front of his jersey too

[rjv]

Fuck it still hasn’t dawned on me that we’re watching Dylan instead of obsessing on Kon’s height

based on the combine measurements from today, harper's wingspan is over 4" longer than kon's.

[CorrectCrusader]

Let's not forget who's our GM, Dylan Harper could very well end up being a couple 20131 20132 picks

The league in the 201st century is gonna be shook

[vy65]

you just need to watch the first 60 seconds to understand that this guy is a beast


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srLlOF3JVr8

This is blasphemy, I know, but the way he slithers through traffic and finishes at the rim reminds me of another lefty who used to play for us

[vy65]

I've seen it said before, but how accurate is the J-Dub to Harper comparison? I always thought J-Dub was a wing, as opposed to a guard, and have seen that his wingspan is considerably longer than Harpers?

[koriwhat]

He's good on 2K so he must be good irl. I'm excited! We keep locking out in the draft the past few yrs.

[stephen jackson]

Another no lose situation for spurs

[CorrectCrusader]

I've seen it said before, but how accurate is the J-Dub to Harper comparison? I always thought J-Dub was a wing, as opposed to a guard, and have seen that his wingspan is considerably longer than Harpers?

Harper has a 6'11 wingspan, Jalen has a 7'3 wingspan

[DPG21920]

Hollinger on Harper:

“I don’t think Harper’s case at No. 2 is quite as ironclad as some others think it is, but at the end of the day, I still give him the nod over Baylor’s V.J. Edgecombe for this spot. Harper doesn’t pop athletically and struggled to shoot consistently in his lone college season (33.3 percent from 3, 75.0 percent from the line), but he is a true ball-in-hand, pick-and-roll creator with plus size and instincts.

His nose for the ball makes up for some meh measurables: Despite not being a speed demon, he pilfered 3.1 steals per 100 possessions in Big Ten play and the defensive tape shows him sliding to cut off driving angles. Offensively, he constantly touches the paint and shot 57.4 percent on 2s with a high free-throw rate. Harper did this despite a limited Rutgers roster around him; the surrounding talent likely jobbed him out of several assists.

High-usage, big guards like Harper are among the most difficult and expensive to obtain by other means; in a related story, they are among the most important when it comes to building a successful roster. That’s why he has to be the choice here.“



Hollinger on Edgecombe:

“ Edgecombe was old for a freshman (he turns 20 in July), he faces questions about his long-range shooting and he might only be a one-position player. That said, he has the talent to be special, and I thought hard about putting him at No. 2. Athletically, he has a different gear, blasting off into drives into the paint and elevating with ease at the cup for his finishes.

Edgecombe also shows flashes of being an absolute monster on defense with his lateral quickness and hands, poaching 3.3 steals per 100 possessions in Big 12 games. Edgecombe’s first slide can be a bit sluggish, but he shocks shooters springing off the floor to contest shots with his length.

Offensively, Edgecombe’s shot looked like a project early in the season, but he seemed to fix a couple of flaws as the year went on. In Big 12 games, he shot 39.1 percent from 3 and 81.7 percent from the line. The vexing part is that he only shot 50.0 percent on 2s for the season, despite his incredible physical tools. Edgecombe has a pretty limited handle at this point, one that likely constrains him to playing off the ball or as a secondary creator, and he needs to refine his finishing package off the dribble and at the rim.

However, the Victor Oladipo comparisons here are obvious and the background on Edgecombe is off-the-charts positive. If I had the second pick, my war room would spend a lot of time arguing about Edgecombe vs. Harper.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6344540/2025/05/12/nba-draft-2025-prospects-cooper-flagg-dylan-harper/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=cbbtw&source=twitterhq

[DPG21920]

If Spurs can get something like Edgecombe + another asset that has to be looked at it seems.

[SpursGenius]

Bailey is my pick too. But I’m ok with Harper. He’s going to look very good playing for the Bucks. Giannis and Wemby frontcourt. Castle and Fox backcourt. Champ as our 3 guy while drafting a rookie shooter with the 14th pick. Thanks for the memories Devin and KJ. I’m pretty sure we are set with a rotation of: Fox, Castle, Sorber, Champ, Sochan, Barnes, Giannis, and Wemby. Just use our MLE on somebody and really that’s a championship level team
So many dumb fucks here.

lol.

[NASpurs]

Spurs need to give him Zero and make Keldon change his number again.

Keldon is becoming that guy from Office Space that kept getting his desk reposition until he found himself in the basement.

[SpursGenius]

A backcourt of Vassell, Fox, Castle and Harper is a bit problematic, but it’s a good problem to have. Now we can get rid of the scrubs (Branham and Wesley) and have a really top notch backcourt. Time to look for a forward and backup center.
Why are you assholes so quick to dump Wesley and Branham. They improved at end of season and are under contract. They can be good depth and maybe even breakthrough. Remember there are 17 roster spots.

[barakz21]

Do the people that want Bailey forget that we've been a lottery team for the past 6 years? Why the fuck would we try to draft for fit when our team is dogshit? Take BPA and don't spend more than 2 brain cells thinking about it.
Or do you really believe Bailey will be the better player over time?

LMAO. Guilty as charged. I was celebrating quietly thinking we’re so getting Ace. But then realized.. with how bad our overall talent is, might as well go for the most talented dude not named Cooper Flagg. Then again.. I have to put my faith in matfo. I feel like Mitch would be closely involved in the process in he’d pick whoever he thinks is the most talented and also has the right temperament for this team. Kinda excited for him tbh, this pick will be his first attempt at putting his own stamp on the team.

[exstatic]

If Spurs can get something like Edgecombe + another asset that has to be looked at it seems.

Edge seems to be a 2 and only a 2. The Spurs favor multi position players.

[KobesAchilles]

So many dumb fucks here.

lol.
For wanting Bailey? Or for trading Harper for Giannis? Bc I doubt Harper ever gets that good. And Bailey I’m now off of due to him being only 6’7. I thought he was a legit 6’10’ and if he was that then yeah I want Bailey. But it’s a moot point. At 6’7 you just take the quicker guard who has good size for a guard anyways.

[baseline bum]

LMAO. Guilty as charged. I was celebrating quietly thinking we’re so getting Ace. But then realized.. with how bad our overall talent is, might as well go for the most talented dude not named Cooper Flagg. Then again.. I have to put my faith in matfo. I feel like Mitch would be closely involved in the process in he’d pick whoever he thinks is the most talented and also has the right temperament for this team. Kinda excited for him tbh, this pick will be his first attempt at putting his own stamp on the team.

Mitch ain't the one picking; it's Brian and RC. And they love big point guards, I can't see them taking Bailey or Edgecombe here.

[LeBowen]

Bc I doubt Harper ever gets that good.

As I wrote earlier, over the past 15 years 6'4-6'6 ballhandling guards picked in top5 were pretty much a guaranteed success.
Evan Turner was the last true flop, 2010.
Exum got ruined by injuries.
RJ Barrett is the worst player of the bunch, a subpar 20ppg scorer, but he was never projected to be a ballhandler.

Other than generational prospects, 6'4-6'6 top5 point guards are the safest picks.
I'd say Harper's floor would would be something like 15/5/7 with average 3pt shooting and a bit above average defense.
Worst case scenario we solved our 6th man role for the next decade.
Best case scenario we got beyond lucky yet again and have a superstar point guard draft rights.

[scott]

Hell nah...Ace Bailey...we already have a PG that has the ball in his hands quite a bit...Bailey is an athletic wing with elite size and great shooting/scoring ability and defensive potential....why draft yet another combo guard with questionable shooting that needs the ball in his hands?

If the Spurs really wanted Ace Bailey over Harper, they should just trade #2 and Devin for #7 and TMIII, since TMIII is the 95% outcome of Ace Bailey.

(I don't advocate we do this, btw).

[Mr. Body]

As I wrote earlier, over the past 15 years 6'4-6'6 ballhandling guards picked in top5 were pretty much a guaranteed success.
Evan Turner was the last true flop, 2010.
Exum got ruined by injuries.
RJ Barrett is the worst player of the bunch, a subpar 20ppg scorer, but he was never projected to be a ballhandler.

Other than generational prospects, 6'4-6'6 top5 point guards are the safest picks.
I'd say Harper's floor would would be something like 15/5/7 with average 3pt shooting and a bit above average defense.
Worst case scenario we solved our 6th man role for the next decade.
Best case scenario we got beyond lucky yet again and have a superstar point guard draft rights.

Excellent work ethic. Great support system even outside NBA pedigree. High feel. He can bust, but it's pretty unlikely.

[SpursGenius]

you just need to watch the first 60 seconds to understand that this guy is a beast


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srLlOF3JVr8
The guy is a can’t miss prospect. We are very lucky to have him. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him have better nba career over Flagg.

imagine harden, sga, Cade Cunningham jacking off mixing there sperm dna and inoculating tiger woods mom for that phillopinno grit. You have Dylan. Complete player on those highlights.

[LeBowen]

Excellent work ethic. Great support system even outside NBA pedigree. High feel. He can bust, but it's pretty unlikely.

Other than injuries which he's never had issues with, I don't see how would he bust to the level of not being good enough for playoff rosters.
Has the size, has good enough athleticism even though he's not an explosive athlete, has the skillset and most importantly has high IQ.

As for the questions if he's willing to come off the bench as a rookie, I'm sure his dad will have a thing or two to tell him about wasting his prime on horrible Clippers teams.

[Joseph Kony]

The guy is a can’t miss prospect. We are very lucky to have him. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him have better nba career over Flagg.

imagine harden, sga, Cade Cunningham jacking off mixing there sperm dna and inoculating tiger woods mom for that phillopinno grit. You have Dylan. Complete player on those highlights.
wtf :lol

[palangi]

For wanting Bailey? Or for trading Harper for Giannis? Bc I doubt Harper ever gets that good. And Bailey I’m now off of due to him being only 6’7. I thought he was a legit 6’10’ and if he was that then yeah I want Bailey. But it’s a moot point. At 6’7 you just take the quicker guard who has good size for a guard anyways.
Meh he was 6’7.5”. In shoes he’s 6’8”. And a plus 7’ wingspan. He was only .25” shorter than Flagg.
bailey has a high quick shot with good form. We have Fox and Castle who are ball dominant already and Wemby is our superstar. Bailey fits in perfectly.

[LeBowen]

Meh he was 6’7.5”. In shoes he’s 6’8”. And a plus 7’ wingspan. He was only .25” shorter than Flagg.
bailey has a high quick shot with good form. We have Fox and Castle who are ball dominant already and Wemby is our superstar. Bailey fits in perfectly.

Would you pass on Cade Cunnigham because Rudy Gay is a better fit?

[Mr. Body]

Other than injuries which he's never had issues with, I don't see how would he bust to the level of not being good enough for playoff rosters.
Has the size, has good enough athleticism even though he's not an explosive athlete, has the skillset and most importantly has high IQ.

As for the questions if he's willing to come off the bench as a rookie, I'm sure his dad will have a thing or two to tell him about wasting his prime on horrible Clippers teams.

My bet is we're going to see Fox-Castle-Harper starting.

[LeBowen]

My bet is we're going to see Fox-Castle-Harper starting.

That would just be about keeping everyone's ego intact.
We should have two of them on the floor at all times, there's plenty of minutes available.

Having all three out there would raise some serious questions about spacing and rebounding.

[TD 21]

If Spurs can get something like Edgecombe + another asset that has to be looked at it seems.

If the Spurs could get the 76ers to part with the Clippers unprotected '28 1st, I could see it. Edgecombe seems the Spurs type and his projected cleaner fit would get them out of the looming pickle they otherwise face.

Not saying they won't or shouldn't, but between Fox, Harper Jr. and to a lesser extent Castle and their agents, it'd be awkward at best and toxic at worst if they select him.

[mystargtr34]

My bet is we're going to see Fox-Castle-Harper starting.

I agree.

And I’m kind of OK with it for a season but the fit isn’t ideal on both ends.

The Celtics have made it work with Holiday-White-Brown. Castle isn’t that far off Jaylen Brown in terms of size defensively. But offensively that lineu has way better spacing than the Spurs one.

When you look at the West there are a few big wings who will overmatch Steph Castle if he’s playing the 3.

OKC has Jaylen Williams.
Houston has no one, Castle can cover Amen Thompson
Lakers have Luka.
Denver has no one.
Clippers have Kawhi
Minny has Ant who Castle is a decent matchup for.
GS has Jimmy which is an Ok matchup for Castle.
Memphis has no one.
Sacramento has no one.
Dallas has no one.
Phoenix has Durant
Portland has no one unless you count Avdija
NO has Trey Murphy who isn’t physical.
Utah has no one.

[LeBowen]

I agree.

And I’m kind of OK with it for a season but the fit isn’t ideal on both ends.

The Celtics have made it work with Holiday-White-Brown. Castle isn’t that far off Jaylen Brown in terms of size defensively. But offensively that lineu has way better spacing than the Spurs one.

When you look at the West there are a few big wings who will overmatch Steph Castle if he’s playing the 3.

OKC has Jaylen Williams.
Houston has no one, Castle can cover Amen Thompson
Lakers have Luka.
Denver has no one.
Clippers have Kawhi
Minny has Ant who Castle is a decent matchup for.
GS has Jimmy which is an Ok matchup for Castle.
Memphis has no one.
Sacramento has no one.
Dallas has no one.
Phoenix has Durant
Portland has no one unless you count Avdija
NO has Trey Murphy who isn’t physical.
Utah has no one.

Yeah, we mostly agree on 3+2 lineups with two legit bigs.
OKC, Cavs, Nuggets, Timberwolves and even the Knicks with OG don't have big SFs, but every one of those PFs would be really bad matchup for anyone on our roster except maybe Jeremy, but he's not going to be a starter.
We need a 6'9-6'11 PF, maybe even two. I don't think anyone available at #14 will be ready to start, we need to get one in via trade or free agency.

[scott]

I don't see how Edgecomb is a better fit than Harper. Edgecomb is a 2 who can only play the 2, whereas Harper is a 1 who can play the 2 and maybe a little bit of the 3.

The Spurs may end up liking Edgecomb more than Harper as they do their evaluations, but I don't see how it could be because of fit.

[scott]

I agree.

And I’m kind of OK with it for a season but the fit isn’t ideal on both ends.

The Celtics have made it work with Holiday-White-Brown. Castle isn’t that far off Jaylen Brown in terms of size defensively. But offensively that lineu has way better spacing than the Spurs one.

When you look at the West there are a few big wings who will overmatch Steph Castle if he’s playing the 3.

OKC has Jaylen Williams.
Houston has no one, Castle can cover Amen Thompson
Lakers have Luka.
Denver has no one.
Clippers have Kawhi
Minny has Ant who Castle is a decent matchup for.
GS has Jimmy which is an Ok matchup for Castle.
Memphis has no one.
Sacramento has no one.
Dallas has no one.
Phoenix has Durant
Portland has no one unless you count Avdija
NO has Trey Murphy who isn’t physical.
Utah has no one.

This is where retaining Sochan as a bench defensive specialist has some value. Any of those guys who present size-related matchup problems for Castle, Sochan can guard.

With that said, Castle needs to improve his D this summer in addition to working on his 3P shot. His 1v1 D really took a nosedive after a promising start last season. I don't want to see it go the way of Devin's defense.

[mudd]

Just watch the spurs pull a primo, samanic, stunt cause the spurs know better than anybody... they passed on sengun and Halliberton..watch them pass on Harper..

[rjv]

Just watch the spurs pull a primo, samanic, stunt cause the spurs know better than anybody... they passed on sengun and Halliberton..watch them pass on Harper..

comparing top 4 selections to picks between 10-20. okay.

[Mal]

This is where retaining Sochan as a bench defensive specialist has some value. Any of those guys who present size-related matchup problems for Castle, Sochan can guard.


Spurs also need rebounding from the forwards, since Wemby is gonna get pulled away from the paint

[rjv]

I agree.

And I’m kind of OK with it for a season but the fit isn’t ideal on both ends.

The Celtics have made it work with Holiday-White-Brown. Castle isn’t that far off Jaylen Brown in terms of size defensively. But offensively that lineu has way better spacing than the Spurs one.

When you look at the West there are a few big wings who will overmatch Steph Castle if he’s playing the 3.

OKC has Jaylen Williams.
Houston has no one, Castle can cover Amen Thompson
Lakers have Luka.
Denver has no one.
Clippers have Kawhi
Minny has Ant who Castle is a decent matchup for.
GS has Jimmy which is an Ok matchup for Castle.
Memphis has no one.
Sacramento has no one.
Dallas has no one.
Phoenix has Durant
Portland has no one unless you count Avdija
NO has Trey Murphy who isn’t physical.
Utah has no one.


. . . and none of them have Wemby.

[scott]

Spurs also need rebounding from the forwards, since Wemby is gonna get pulled away from the paint

Yeah, Sochan's usefulness is kind of narrowing. Bench defensive specialist. Won't be able to be in units with Castle (unless Castle's shot develops). Jeremy can help himself by continuing to develop his rebounding. Thought he made a nice leap in that area this past season. If he can keep his ORB% at around 10 like it was this past season and increase his DRB% to 20, that would be be huge.

[KobesAchilles]

As I wrote earlier, over the past 15 years 6'4-6'6 ballhandling guards picked in top5 were pretty much a guaranteed success.
Evan Turner was the last true flop, 2010.
Exum got ruined by injuries.
RJ Barrett is the worst player of the bunch, a subpar 20ppg scorer, but he was never projected to be a ballhandler.

Other than generational prospects, 6'4-6'6 top5 point guards are the safest picks.
I'd say Harper's floor would would be something like 15/5/7 with average 3pt shooting and a bit above average defense.
Worst case scenario we solved our 6th man role for the next decade.
Best case scenario we got beyond lucky yet again and have a superstar point guard draft rights.
I meant Giannis good :lol
Thats who I was comparing him to. I’m not saying Harper is going to suck. I’m saying that trading him for Giannis shouldn’t be considered stupid

[spurs10]

If we trade #2 + others for Giannis, when do you see that going down timeline wise?

[exstatic]

If the Spurs could get the 76ers to part with the Clippers unprotected '28 1st, I could see it. Edgecombe seems the Spurs type and his projected cleaner fit would get them out of the looming pickle they otherwise face.

Not saying they won't or shouldn't, but between Fox, Harper Jr. and to a lesser extent Castle and their agents, it'd be awkward at best and toxic at worst if they select him.

How is a guy who is only a 2 a better fit than a guy who is a 1-3?

[LeBowen]

I meant Giannis good :lol
Thats who I was comparing him to. I’m not saying Harper is going to suck. I’m saying that trading him for Giannis shouldn’t be considered stupid

Pure ability wise, peak Giannis is a borderline top10 player ever, I don't think even Flagg has that kind of ceiling.


https://youtu.be/ALUVryXlbD4?si=PX_IgVaNie84xgdu

Good video, almost half of it is about his flaws.
I'm sold on this kid, have him and Castle battle it out for the long term #2 role.

[skin27]

If we trade #2 + others for Giannis, when do you see that going down timeline wise?

the bad thing about this trade is wemby’s value will go down and some people will say he played along side future hall of famer(still prime giannis)in his younger years and giannis might overshadowed him from being the aplpha/Batman superstar of this team.

[rascal]

That would just be about keeping everyone's ego intact.
We should have two of them on the floor at all times, there's plenty of minutes available.

Having all three out there would raise some serious questions about spacing and rebounding.

Each will have to sit so there is room to draft a SF at 14. They all playing together will be a smaller combined minutes than only two playing.
Spurs will be deep in the bakcourt the entire game and keep the pressure on all game long with no huge backcourt letdowns like they have now.

Vassell needs to be traded and doubt CP3 is going to want a much reduced role so they shouldn't bring him back, minutes won't be there for him.

[poopbox]

People keep posting these Dylan Harper highlights not realizing that all of them have something in common...he is the de factor lead guard with the ball in his hands and has the green light to do whatever he wants.:lol

Will he be the de facto lead guard in San Antonio with a green light to initiate offense from anywhere? Cause I could have sworn the spurs are about to pay 200 million dollars to a completely different player to do that :lol

It's like the pro Harper people don't understand that the player you are getting will NOT be the player he was in college and has the potential to be, because lead guard opportunities will not present itself to him on the spurs with another guy on a max contract who's job will be to do everything you want Dylan Harper to do.

Like, what would Harper have looked like if he had to play a whole season at Rutgers with Tre Johnson or VJ? Not nearly as good with those guys cutting into his offense. That's what's going to happen to him on the Spurs until they get rid of either Fox or Castle.

[objective]

Every pre-lotto report on Harper seemed to play the "He'll have better spacing in the NBA!" card ....

SA might actually have worse spacing than Rutgers did

[TD 21]

How is a guy who is only a 2 a better fit than a guy who is a 1-3?

POA defender and more of an off ball type player. Who knows who ends up the better catch and shoot type between the two, but he'll almost certainly be a highly volume one and overall lower usage player due to role.

[Seventyniner]

This is where retaining Sochan as a bench defensive specialist has some value. Any of those guys who present size-related matchup problems for Castle, Sochan can guard.

With that said, Castle needs to improve his D this summer in addition to working on his 3P shot. His 1v1 D really took a nosedive after a promising start last season. I don't want to see it go the way of Devin's defense.

I'm still of the mindset that if Sochan isn't going to start, he doesn't have a lot of value. His best value is checking the opponent's best wing or big guard, and that's mostly wasted off the bench. I also think a rare archetype like Sochan would be great with a really good coach but poor with a bad to average coach, and I'm not convinced yet about Mitch.

Fox/Castle/Harper/Sochan/Wemby isn't going to work at all. If the Spurs pick Harper and don't make any other significant moves, I would rather the Spurs let Sochan hit RFA rather than give him the 5/80-90 I had been wanting.

Good point about Castle's defense. I'm sure he would like to be the man, but taking turns on the ball with Fox and Harper while being able to conserve energy for defense will be better for the team.

[PhantomDashCam]

This ultimately doesn’t mean a whole lot but find it illuminating that Harper, a noted ‘non-athlete’ vs. Edgecombe, ‘a noted + athlete’ is ahead in everything bar max vert…

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[SpursGenius]

I don't see how Edgecomb is a better fit than Harper. Edgecomb is a 2 who can only play the 2, whereas Harper is a 1 who can play the 2 and maybe a little bit of the 3.

The Spurs may end up liking Edgecomb more than Harper as they do their evaluations, but I don't see how it could be because of fit.
Only pure dumb fucks would like edgecomb over Harper. With our FO it’s not out of the question

[SpursGenius]

People keep posting these Dylan Harper highlights not realizing that all of them have something in common...he is the de factor lead guard with the ball in his hands and has the green light to do whatever he wants.:lol

Will he be the de facto lead guard in San Antonio with a green light to initiate offense from anywhere? Cause I could have sworn the spurs are about to pay 200 million dollars to a completely different player to do that :lol

It's like the pro Harper people don't understand that the player you are getting will NOT be the player he was in college and has the potential to be, because lead guard opportunities will not present itself to him on the spurs with another guy on a max contract who's job will be to do everything you want Dylan Harper to do.

Like, what would Harper have looked like if he had to play a whole season at Rutgers with Tre Johnson or VJ? Not nearly as good with those guys cutting into his offense. That's what's going to happen to him on the Spurs until they get rid of either Fox or Castle.
You do realize there are 96 of play minutes at guard. Why are you dfs so black and white.

[jjspur]

Why are you assholes so quick to dump Wesley and Branham. They improved at end of season and are under contract. They can be good depth and maybe even breakthrough. Remember there are 17 roster spots.

Pop quiz hotshot ... how many roster spots on an NBA team ? 15 regular positions and 3 two way spots for a total of 18 not 17. Facts matter on this board.

In comparison Vassell (high salary but a decent player), Fox (former all star), Castle (rookie of the year) and Harper ( best player not named Flagg) Wesley and Branham have had 3 years to develop and time has probably run out on them. Both lost minutes to Castle last season and with Harper joining the team, there just isn't room in the backcourt for them. Even if Vassell is traded, the team will most likely get a player or two back taking up a roster spot that will bump one if not two of last years guards off the team - even if we still owe them money. I don't think Mitch is loyal to either of the two especially since both players stats have trended downward for the last 3 years.

So who do you really want in the spurs backcourt, the four players with known talent and have proven themselves (lets not forget Chris Paul- if he decides to come back) or a couple of yo-yos still trying to figure things out after 3 years. The choice should be pretty simple even for a spurs genius.

[exstatic]

If we trade #2 + others for Giannis, when do you see that going down timeline wise?

If you see Wemby call him after his selection like he did Castle, it won’t happen at all. Spurs wouldn’t have him call and greet someone on the move.

[exstatic]

the bad thing about this trade is wemby’s value will go down and some people will say he played along side future hall of famer(still prime giannis)in his younger years and giannis might overshadowed him from being the aplpha/Batman superstar of this team.

That’s the bad part? Not the huge pick cost, or his $70M salary on his next contract when his athletic gifts fade and he still can’t shoot?

[Dverde]

Pop quiz hotshot ... how many roster spots on an NBA team ? 15 regular positions and 3 two way spots for a total of 18 not 17. Facts matter on this board.

In comparison Vassell (high salary but a decent player), Fox (former all star), Castle (rookie of the year) and Harper ( best player not named Flagg) Wesley and Branham have had 3 years to develop and time has probably run out on them. Both lost minutes to Castle last season and with Harper joining the team, there just isn't room in the backcourt for them. Even if Vassell is traded, the team will most likely get a player or two back taking up a roster spot that will bump one if not two of last years guards off the team - even if we still owe them money. I don't think Mitch is loyal to either of the two especially since both players stats have trended downward for the last 3 years.

So who do you really want in the spurs backcourt, the four players with known talent and have proven themselves (lets not forget Chris Paul- if he decides to come back) or a couple of yo-yos still trying to figure things out after 3 years. The choice should be pretty simple even for a spurs genius.

I wouldn’t mind Blake Wesley coming back if CP3 is gone. Acts as the backup point guard to Fox and Castle.

[scott]

Gonna need a 3rd string emergency PG, and that's where Blake comes in.

Likewise, we're going to need a 3rd string emergency SG... but honestly Bran hasn't even earned that, though I'm not going to be too upset if he ends up filling that role next year. I'd rather it go to a old wiley vet who can be a mentor on the bench or an SRP with upside (Drake Powell?)

[PhantomDashCam]

Huge fan of Fran. Has been around youth and college basketball for a long time.

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[Mr. Body]

Huge fan of Fran. Has been around youth and college basketball for a long time.

1914698324701290997

I keep seeing a lot of young James Harden in this guy.

[CGD]

I keep seeing a lot of young James Harden in this guy.

Someone else said it, but I’m also seeing Manu.

[PhantomDashCam]

I keep seeing a lot of young James Harden in this guy.

Yeah I can see that too. There physical profiles are almost identical coming out of college as well.

The one thing that I kept reading in pre-draft scouting reports for Harden was that 'the effort would sometimes come and go' and 'differs in clutch moments'.
Haven't read that yet about Harper or IIRC Cade either.

[BatManu20]

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[Dejounte]

1922456075015541146

https://x.com/draftexpress/status/1792600422156267840?s=46

So we have DeMar and Dwyane Wade.

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/draftexpress/status/1792600422156267840?s=46

So we have DeMar and Dwyane Wade.

Well, a DeMar who will play defense and isn't the midrange maestro.

[heyheymymy]

Cade Harden

Harper's handles are insane. Slithering through crowds like an airbender. His body frame size looks ginormous out there.

[BatManu20]

Harper's game is closer to Harden than D-Wade's tbh. But either way, he has solid measurements for the position.

[vy65]

https://youtu.be/wnwpgs-beXk?si=FYMyzlcC1p6ZwtuC

Gonna keep spamming this shit until I speak it into existence

[Dejounte]

I meant in size only

if Castle is DeMar’s size, I don’t think anyone ever complained about DeMar playing the SF position

[spurraider21]

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[scott]

Damn, Queen scored a 6.2/100 (yes, 6.2, not 62) in this testing. Ouch.

[vy65]

What do those numbers mean?

[jjspur]

I wouldn’t mind Blake Wesley coming back if CP3 is gone. Acts as the backup point guard to Fox and Castle.

Wesley did show a bit of improvement last year, I'll give you that, but with a healthy backcourt and possibly CP3 back - or not, he's still mainly an in case of emergency type role player. Not sure that's enough for a team that badly wants to make and win in the playoffs next year. Remember, good teams are usually 10-12 good players deep - the rest and the two way players are in case of injury/emergency or the occasional blowout loss. Who knows, maybe, just maybe the spurs keep him. He'll definitely have to keep working on his layups this summer.

So we whiffed on no defense, poor shooting Branham, big deal, it happens to all teams. We have 3 picks in this draft, any of which could possibly replace his spot on the roster.

[tbdog]

Wesley can't come back with the teams construction. Just need to find better shooting. I think he has a guaranteed contract, right?

[exstatic]

I meant in size only

if Castle is DeMar’s size, I don’t think anyone ever complained about DeMar playing the SF position

Or the PF position, frankly.

[exstatic]

Wesley can't come back with the teams construction. Just need to find better shooting. I think he has a guaranteed contract, right?

He and Malaki both have guaranteed, ending contracts.

[100%duncan]

I see more Fox than Harden. This guy's finishing is insane. The shotmaking with the quality of looks.

[Eaglenole2002]

I really enjoy Hoop Intellect’s breakdowns on YouTube. Watching his Harper video… man, he just moves differently than everyone else. It’s hard to describe his ability to slither through double teams and his footwork to create space in the paint. I just can’t imagine this team passing on him. He seems to be everything we’ve been hunting for in a big guard. Just needs to fix/gain consistency with his jumper/release.

[Eaglenole2002]

Cade Harden

Harper's handles are insane. Slithering through crowds like an airbender. His body frame size looks ginormous out there.
Lol, I see you beat me to the use of “slithering.” Its something to watch.

[exstatic]

I see more Fox than Harden. This guy's finishing is insane. The shotmaking with the quality of looks.

I told two of my friends ‘Fox and Castle in a blender’. He’s got that dawg and the size to play bully ball in the lane, in addition to his bag.

[Dverde]

Gotta pick Dylan Harper as the best player available. It will play out how it plays out. I think Keldon is the player that needs to go with Harper coming in. Vassell still very useful with his shooting and spacing. No minutes left for Keldon at 2/3. Malaki is an afterthought, he is beyond gone.

[CGD]

1922456075015541146

This is encouraging. Steph’s future on this team is at the 3 anyway. Here is hoping he makes strides on his shooting this summer.

[rascal]

I really enjoy Hoop Intellect’s breakdowns on YouTube. Watching his Harper video… man, he just moves differently than everyone else. It’s hard to describe his ability to slither through double teams and his footwork to create space in the paint. I just can’t imagine this team passing on him. He seems to be everything we’ve been hunting for in a big guard. Just needs to fix/gain consistency with his jumper/release.

He has superstar potential.

He's going to be the second best player behind Wemby on the Spurs. Spurs better not trade him. He and Wemby(if healthy) will form a future dynasty for 10-15 years.

[exstatic]

This is encouraging. Steph’s future on this team is at the 3 anyway. Here is hoping he makes strides on his shooting this summer.

I think he’ll play minutes at the three, but ultimately, maybe 4 or 5 years down the line, Fox will move on, and the back court will be Harper/Castle.

[Gandalf]

This is encouraging. Steph’s future on this team is at the 3 anyway. Here is hoping he makes strides on his shooting this summer.

I want to see Fox - Harper - Castle - Reid/Fleming - Wemby, but I also want the Spurs to back up the Brinks truck for Chip Englund to give it the best chance to work.

[heyheymymy]

Dylan Harper combine footage leaking on social media:


https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llznd10AGT1qggr45o1_500.gif

[100%duncan]

I told two of my friends ‘Fox and Castle in a blender’. He’s got that dawg and the size to play bully ball in the lane, in addition to his bag.

These comps are crazy. It's like he has such a high floor and ceiling.

[LeBowen]

I'm 100% convinced by Harper and I want to draft him, but for the sake of discussion, how many extra assets would be enough for the Spurs to trade down for Bailey?
No chance I'd trade down to #4 or #5 unless it's a ridiculous overpay.
Would the Sixers evevn want Harper over Bailey? Maxey isn't a true point guard and McCain isn't near Harper's ceiling.
#3 and McCain for #2?
I'm not that high on Bailey, but Bailey's best case scenario outcome is exactly the wing Spurs need.

I think Spurs going for the BPA is guranteed, I just don't think they're 100% on Harper over Bailey before extensive workouts and interviews are done. No need to rush things, there's plenty of time.

I also think Castle and Harper would enable eachother to reach their full potential.
Nothing better than practicing against your mirror matchup on daily basis.

[Uriel]

Remember when Primo had grown to 6”6 and our front office thought we had in him a franchise player? Good times.

[Darkwaters]

Remember when Primo had grown to 6”6 and our front office thought we had in him a franchise player? Good times.

He certainly flashed potential

[Mr. Body]

I'm 100% convinced by Harper and I want to draft him, but for the sake of discussion, how many extra assets would be enough for the Spurs to trade down for Bailey?
No chance I'd trade down to #4 or #5 unless it's a ridiculous overpay.
Would the Sixers evevn want Harper over Bailey? Maxey isn't a true point guard and McCain isn't near Harper's ceiling.
#3 and McCain for #2?
I'm not that high on Bailey, but Bailey's best case scenario outcome is exactly the wing Spurs need.

I think Spurs going for the BPA is guranteed, I just don't think they're 100% on Harper over Bailey before extensive workouts and interviews are done. No need to rush things, there's plenty of time.

I also think Castle and Harper would enable eachother to reach their full potential.
Nothing better than practicing against your mirror matchup on daily basis.

I wouldn't trade down for Bailey in any scenario, but for sake of discussion, I would entertain the possibility of getting Johnson or Edgecombe. I'd wanted to trade up for them in the first place.

For me, I'd look for two to three good draft picks to move down, quite honestly. It's a significant tier up -- those other players could become stars and at least very good role players, but Harper could be a franchise player.

Also... none of those teams have the assets, I don't believe.

[Darkwaters]

Wesley did show a bit of improvement last year, I'll give you that, but with a healthy backcourt and possibly CP3 back - or not, he's still mainly an in case of emergency type role player. Not sure that's enough for a team that badly wants to make and win in the playoffs next year. Remember, good teams are usually 10-12 good players deep - the rest and the two way players are in case of injury/emergency or the occasional blowout loss. Who knows, maybe, just maybe the spurs keep him. He'll definitely have to keep working on his layups this summer.


When the dust settles, if we draft Harper we're going to have a LOT of our talent tied up into Point Guards. I think there is a strong case then for signing one more guard to the roster to serve as a mentor for these guys.

What I envision is an older player with a ton of experience but maybe only a little left in the tank. They'd be willing to sign for the minimum and likely wouldn't play most of the season. But they're capable of stepping in for a handful of games, if needed, and can help mentor these guys. The name that keeps coming to mind if Jacque Vaughn, whom we signed for the minimum to be our 3rd PG (although he played a bigger role once he actually got here). I think Castle and Harper would really benefit from that. And while Fox already has a lot of experience, he's still only 27 and would probably benefit some as well.

[Mr. Body]

When the dust settles, if we draft Harper we're going to have a LOT of our talent tied up into Point Guards. I think there is a strong case then for signing one more guard to the roster to serve as a mentor for these guys.

What I envision is an older player with a ton of experience but maybe only a little left in the tank. They'd be willing to sign for the minimum and likely wouldn't play most of the season. But they're capable of stepping in for a handful of games, if needed, and can help mentor these guys. The name that keeps coming to mind if Jacque Vaughn, whom we signed for the minimum to be our 3rd PG (although he played a bigger role once he actually got here). I think Castle and Harper would really benefit from that. And while Fox already has a lot of experience, he's still only 27 and would probably benefit some as well.

The guy who is 50 years old and has been retired for fifteen years?

[TekXX]

Remember when Primo had grown to 6”6 and our front office thought we had in him a franchise player? Good times.

They thought he would show his growth, but not like that.

[BatManu20]

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[mo7888]

The guy who is 50 years old and has been retired for fifteen years?

I think he means that archetype, but it is a bit unclear..

[BatManu20]

Definitely needs to work on his jumper. That will need to be his #1 priority his Rookie year, just like Castle last year.

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[Mr. Body]

I think he means that archetype, but it is a bit unclear..

That would be Chris Paul.

[mo7888]

That would be Chris Paul.

Yup...exactly..

[spurraider21]

Castle's vert numbers last year were 28.5 standing, 37 max

Harper's numbers are 30.5 and 36.5


Castle's height/wingspan/standing reach were measured at 6'5.5", 6'9, and 8'6. weighed 210 at combine.

Harper's numbers are 6'4.5", 6'10.5", and 8'6. weighed 213 at combine


these are players with very simlar athletic profiles

[Knoxxx]

Castle's vert numbers last year were 28.5 standing, 37 max

Harper's numbers are 30.5 and 36.5


Castle's height/wingspan/standing reach were measured at 6'5.5", 6'9, and 8'6. weighed 210 at combine.

Harper's numbers are 6'4.5", 6'10.5", and 8'6. weighed 213 at combine


these are players with very simlar athletic profiles

These two guys are practically clones.

[spurraider21]

i had previously seen that his catch and shoot 3pt% was 37 or 38... this guy has it higher. i wonder if spot up has any different meaning from catch and shoot, but i dont really see why it would

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[Trill Clinton]

Crazy some people are overthinking this. Harper is arguably the best player in the draft. The scoot comparisons are crazy.

[spurs10]

Castle's vert numbers last year were 28.5 standing, 37 max

Harper's numbers are 30.5 and 36.5


Castle's height/wingspan/standing reach were measured at 6'5.5", 6'9, and 8'6. weighed 210 at combine.

Harper's numbers are 6'4.5", 6'10.5", and 8'6. weighed 213 at combine


these are players with very simlar athletic profiles


These two guys are practically clones. Yeah I wonder if they can play interchangeable at the 2 and 3? Think they are pals as well.

[spurraider21]

Yeah I wonder if they can play interchangeable at the 2 and 3? Think they are pals as well.
according to the bballreference estimates, castle played 2% of his minutes at SF last year.

i think more likely its just a 3 man guard rotation

[Mr. Body]

i had previously seen that his catch and shoot 3pt% was 37 or 38... this guy has it higher. i wonder if spot up has any different meaning from catch and shoot, but i dont really see why it would

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It's good to see confirmation of how Harper can play off-ball.

Remember how the beautiful game required defenses to counter the drive-kick, drive-kick, drive-kick until they were completely disorganized?

[Mr. Body]

I'm fully sold on Harper. As if it matters. I knew he was good, but didn't pay much attention. It literally required an exact draw of the #2 pick. I knew he was Ron Harper's son, which was a good sign, and that he had skills and seemingly good feel. But I really do think he has a platform to be an offensive hub and franchise player. Like, god forbid something happen to Victor, but Harper is a guy you could conceivably build around. Nothing happens to Victor, you have a player to take tremendous pressure off him. We have a guy who could be the sort to drop 30 or 40 point bombs on teams.

[Mr. Body]

And with Fox-Harper, you have two guys who could get hot any sort of game.

[spurraider21]

It's good to see confirmation of how Harper can play off-ball.

Remember how the beautiful game required defenses to counter the drive-kick, drive-kick, drive-kick until they were completely disorganized?
yeah, its not even all about shooting. castle was seen as an off-ball, connective type and not necessarily as a ballhandling lead guard, even though it was known he cant shoot. of course at some point, the shooting factors in as well

[LeBowen]

according to the bballreference estimates, castle played 2% of his minutes at SF last year.

i think more likely its just a 3 man guard rotation

He played a lot of minutes with Devin and CP3.
It depends on if you qualify Devin or Castle as SF in those lineups.

Fox/Harper/Castle concerns:
spacing on offense
size on defense

Assuming we get a 6'10 PF to start alongside Wemby, how many teams would have two legit wings with size that could exploit that lineup?
We also have to see if Fox goes back to his career average 33% from 3pt or he manages to go back to 37% he shot in 23-24 season.

[jyra]

i had previously seen that his catch and shoot 3pt% was 37 or 38... this guy has it higher. i wonder if spot up has any different meaning from catch and shoot, but i dont really see why it would

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Just a guess, but maybe spot up only counts static shots and catch & shoot also includes movement shots. Would explain the higher percentage.

[Mr. Body]

yeah, its not even all about shooting. castle was seen as an off-ball, connective type and not necessarily as a ballhandling lead guard, even though it was known he cant shoot. of course at some point, the shooting factors in as well

Castle had a Usage closer to 20% in college. His usage was high at the end of this season but he doesn't seem to need it. Harper-Fox -- and I think they'll try to run all three -- or Harper/Castle and Fox/Castle allows Stephon to focus more on some of his other skills, most particularly on the other end. One area that he was so devastating in UConn's motion, complex offense was setting screens, ghosting screens, cutting, shifting his position. If the SAS can manage to make this work, Castle at a reduced or 'normal' Usage rate is highly effective.

[dbestpro]

For years now we have heard of positionless players at SF, SG and PG. Castle, Fox and Harper solidify this argument.

[spurraider21]

He played a lot of minutes with Devin and CP3.
It depends on if you qualify Devin or Castle as SF in those lineups.

Fox/Harper/Castle concerns:
spacing on offense
size on defense

Assuming we get a 6'10 PF to start alongside Wemby, how many teams would have two legit wings with size that could exploit that lineup?
We also have to see if Fox goes back to his career average 33% from 3pt or he manages to go back to 37% he shot in 23-24 season.
im not really concerned about the size. harper/castle have good enough length and athleticism. castle definitely has enough strength, and his rebounding really came on near the end of last year. there might be the odd matchup here and there where its an issue but i cant think of that many teams with giant 3's

[spurraider21]

Castle had a Usage closer to 20% in college. His usage was high at the end of this season but he doesn't seem to need it. Harper-Fox -- and I think they'll try to run all three -- or Harper/Castle and Fox/Castle allows Stephon to focus more on some of his other skills, most particularly on the other end. One area that he was so devastating in UConn's motion, complex offense was setting screens, ghosting screens, cutting, shifting his position. If the SAS can manage to make this work, Castle at a reduced or 'normal' Usage rate is highly effective.
yep. during the draft i had off-ball/wing castle in tier 2 and i had point guard castle in tier 3 or 4. now his on-ball juice was admittedly better than i thought, but as his usage increased, his defensive effectiveness waned, and defense was a huge part of the appeal in castle

[Mr. Body]

For years now we have heard of positionless players at SF, SG and PG. Castle, Fox and Harper solidify this argument.

Well, Fox has to play the PG due to size, but yeah overall.

[SpursFan86]

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More I read about this kid the more excited I get. Maybe the fit isn’t “perfect” but he can 100% co-exist with Castle/Fox and we’re so far away from being at the point where fit is primary concern anyways.

[Darkwaters]

The guy who is 50 years old and has been retired for fifteen years?

I'm not advocating that we sign him TODAY. I'm using him as an example of a player we've signed in a similar role in the past. I thought that would be clear, but maybe not.

[vy65]

Crazy some people are overthinking this. Harper is arguably the best player in the draft. The scoot comparisons are crazy.

I mean, I agree with not overthinking this, but he's clearly not the best player in the draft

[vy65]

I'm fully sold on Harper. As if it matters. I knew he was good, but didn't pay much attention. It literally required an exact draw of the #2 pick. I knew he was Ron Harper's son, which was a good sign, and that he had skills and seemingly good feel. But I really do think he has a platform to be an offensive hub and franchise player. Like, god forbid something happen to Victor, but Harper is a guy you could conceivably build around. Nothing happens to Victor, you have a player to take tremendous pressure off him. We have a guy who could be the sort to drop 30 or 40 point bombs on teams.

Again, you shut your whore mouth

[Mnky]

Harper and Castle can absolutely run the wing for the Spurs. They're both about 6'6 in shoes and both strong bodied kids who are still growing. They're also ballers, as in they know the game. They know how to leverage their bodies and footwork to play with people bigger or smaller than them. Like others have mentioned, not many teams have 6'7 guys running the wings, and definitely not at the usage rate that these two can handle. Harper is also very underrated as an off-ball player. Castle and Harper running around while fox or Wemby has the ball is going to be a NIGHTMARE for opposing defenses. Those two have the feel for the game and know how to attach soft spots in the defense and Harper is an even better finisher than Castle who was great as a rookie. Harper will likely be the best finisher on the team the moment he steps on the court. Both are them are young guys who learned the right way by attacking the basket first. Castles shot looked much better as the year went on even if he had abysmal shooting nights, the improvement is clear. Harper shows the signs of the same ability. His shot is inconsistent with mechanics issues that come with repetition and opportunity in games. Those will come with Wemby on the court.

Harper just turned 19. He showed he IS a franchise player at the age of 18. Kid is nowhere near a finished product and already has elite level abilities. Another poster made the great point of Wemby getting hurt. Harper is absolutely someone you can build a franchise around and showed it at 18.

No brainer pick. Some people are letting social media and 2k trades getting to their head. The spurs are ridiculously lucky to be in the spot to draft two franchise players within 5 years. They would have been lucky to get Harper if they had missed on Wemby. We would be clamoring at the opportunity to get Harper.

Final note, the last team that shipped their franchise PG out because FOX was on the team definitely has sellers remorse as that PG just clocked their ticket to the eastern conference finals.

Harper is a blessing.

[BatManu20]

Let it be done.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gq7h2SrWMAESZMR?format=jpg&name=medium

[BatManu20]

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[spurraider21]

^this has been posted 3 times in the last 2 pages but i dont mind :lol

[BatManu20]

^this has been posted 3 times in the last 2 pages but i dont mind :lol

4th times a charm tbh.

[BatManu20]

Givony on ESPN just now said that he's "99.99% sure" that the Spurs are going to take Harper and are not considering a trade out of the #2 spot. Says Spurs brass are signaling to other teams that they have no interest in trading that pick. So there you go.

[Mnky]

Givony on ESPN just now said that he's "99.99% sure" that the Spurs are going to take Harper and are not considering a trade out of the #2 spot. Says Spurs brass are signaling to other teams that they have no interest in trading that pick. So there you go.

:lobt2:This is the way.

[Mr. Body]

Dylan Harper had four poor statistical games out of the 29 he played. Wisconsin and Purdue, where he was sick, and Penn State, where he sprained his ankle, and the follow-up to Michigan State, still on that ankle.

In those games, he scored 0, 6, 7, and 6 points. Overall he went 7-26 from the field and 1-10 from three.

For what it's worth, taking those games out, somewhat cherry picking but admitting he wasn't at his best, for the season he was:

50.1% fg
35% 3pt
76.7% ft
4.76 rebs
4.4 assts
1.5 steals
0.6 blocks

21.8 ppg

[Bruno]

Givony on ESPN just now said that he's "99.99% sure" that the Spurs are going to take Harper and are not considering a trade out of the #2 spot. Says Spurs brass are signaling to other teams that they have no interest in trading that pick. So there you go.

https://x.com/ohnohedidnt24/status/1922742117417271611

[Mr. Body]

Oh, and his first game of the season against Wagner he somehow shot 1-6 from the line. Adding just that bit in, he was a 80% shooter from the line.

[LeBowen]

I'll post this video again, my favorite draft channel, almost half of it is about his improvement areas and actually shows some of the bad plays, definitely worth watching.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALUVryXlbD4

[BatManu20]

https://x.com/ohnohedidnt24/status/1922742117417271611

Yes sir thank Bruno. I'll add this as well.

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[BatManu20]

It's over, Ron. Your son is a Spur.

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[scottspurs]

For those interested Dylan Harper is being interviewed live on espn right now

[scottspurs]

From the interview- Compares himself and models his game after Cade Cunningham and James Harden

[LeBowen]

Also said he thinks he's a good defender and can guard 3 or even 4 positions.

[scottspurs]

Says he needs to work on his defense and conditioning. Says he can guard 1-4. Says he gets his competitiveness from his older brother

[scottspurs]

Says nobody can stop Wembanyama

[spurs10]

^this has been posted 3 times in the last 2 pages but i dont mind :lol :clap One more time with gusto!!

[scottspurs]

Credits his hard work to his mom. Says his mom is always on him about working harder.

[scott]

I'm 100% convinced by Harper and I want to draft him, but for the sake of discussion, how many extra assets would be enough for the Spurs to trade down for Bailey?
No chance I'd trade down to #4 or #5 unless it's a ridiculous overpay.
Would the Sixers evevn want Harper over Bailey? Maxey isn't a true point guard and McCain isn't near Harper's ceiling.
#3 and McCain for #2?
I'm not that high on Bailey, but Bailey's best case scenario outcome is exactly the wing Spurs need.

I think Spurs going for the BPA is guranteed, I just don't think they're 100% on Harper over Bailey before extensive workouts and interviews are done. No need to rush things, there's plenty of time.

I also think Castle and Harper would enable eachother to reach their full potential.
Nothing better than practicing against your mirror matchup on daily basis.

I am personally out on Bailey... but for the sake of discussion lets say the Spurs really like Edgecomb or Johnson.

In that case I would ONLY agree to a deal with either CHA or NOP whereby if VJ/Tre (whichever one was the one I wanted) fell to them, we'd agree to swap Harper for VJ/Tre and Miller or TMIII.

This scenario would be wholly dependent upon the Spurs scouting departing coming to the conclusion that VJ/Tre is an equal prospect to Harper (by either being higher than consensus on VJ/Tre or lower than consensus on Dylan).

Lots of assumptions to make here, but those are the only possible moves. I thought about maybe the same deal for Bilal, but Bilal is several tiers lower than Miller/TMIII.

[scott]

Super pumped about drafting Harper. My youngest daughter is named Dylan and I'm hoping this also helps her get into the Spurs :lol

She did wear her Wemby t-shirt to school on Lotto Day (and I wore mine as well in matching solidarity) for "Support your Team" day. She reported back that all the other kids out here on the islands asked her if the Spurs were a football team :lol NBA not as big out here

[heyheymymy]

Givony on ESPN just now said that he's "99.99% sure" that the Spurs are going to take Harper and are not considering a trade out of the #2 spot. Says Spurs brass are signaling to other teams that they have no interest in trading that pick. So there you go.

disconnect the telephone and see you in June :flag:

[exstatic]

I'm 100% convinced by Harper and I want to draft him, but for the sake of discussion, how many extra assets would be enough for the Spurs to trade down for Bailey?
No chance I'd trade down to #4 or #5 unless it's a ridiculous overpay.
Would the Sixers evevn want Harper over Bailey? Maxey isn't a true point guard and McCain isn't near Harper's ceiling.
#3 and McCain for #2?
I'm not that high on Bailey, but Bailey's best case scenario outcome is exactly the wing Spurs need.

I think Spurs going for the BPA is guranteed, I just don't think they're 100% on Harper over Bailey before extensive workouts and interviews are done. No need to rush things, there's plenty of time.

I also think Castle and Harper would enable eachother to reach their full potential.
Nothing better than practicing against your mirror matchup on daily basis.

The Spurs pretty much know everything they need to, short of doing the interviews. Bailey just isn’t a connector, which is something they look for in wings. The fact that he has more turnovers than assists is appalling.

[rjv]

from everything that I have read and seen over the past week, there are two sure-fire picks in this draft and the spurs have the chance to get one of them. there's no doubt in my mind that the spurs will, and should, take harper.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'll leave this one here before anybody beats me to it: "Who are the 5 best guards in the NBA?"

https://media1.tenor.com/m/pwTejFjK2fMAAAAC/dylan-chappelle.gif

[Mnky]

I'll leave this one here before anybody beats me to it: "Who are the 5 best guards in the NBA?"

https://media1.tenor.com/m/pwTejFjK2fMAAAAC/dylan-chappelle.gif


Perfect. :lol

[CorrectCrusader]

Credits his hard work to his mom. Says his mom is always on him about working harder.

His mother was a D1 basketball player from New Orleans, makes sense

[BatManu20]

Kid gets it.

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[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rV9ZdcPHh0

[CorrectCrusader]

The Spurs pretty much know everything they need to, short of doing the interviews. Bailey just isn’t a connector, which is something they look for in wings. The fact that he has more turnovers than assists is appalling.

I'm not a HUGE bailey fan but let's not pretend that rutgers team was anything short of dysfunctional in a basketball sense. It hurt Bailey more than it did Dylan.

[benefactor]

Okay I'm getting pretty excited about this tbh

[CorrectCrusader]

Okay I'm getting pretty excited about this tbh

October can't come soon enough

[Leetonidas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rV9ZdcPHh0

Dude sounds very Spursy already. Zero chance the Spurs pass on him

[Ice009]

Not to be greedy, but if only Atlanta's pick also fell in the top 4. I wouldn't mind Ace Bailey too ;).

[spurs10]

Super pumped about drafting Harper. My youngest daughter is named Dylan and I'm hoping this also helps her get into the Spurs :lol

She did wear her Wemby t-shirt to school on Lotto Day (and I wore mine as well in matching solidarity) for "Support your Team" day. She reported back that all the other kids out here on the islands asked her if the Spurs were a football team :lol NBA not as big out here Sweet! In many parts of the world Spurs means football/soccer for sure...especially the UK!!

[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rV9ZdcPHh0

Says he wants to be MVP of the league before saying he wants a championship. Not very Spurs-like tbh

[Dex]

Having a hydra in the backcourt (Fox, Harper, Castle) with a dominating force (Wemby) in the front is a scenario we could only have dreamed about 3 years ago. Plug in whoever you want at the 4.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://youtu.be/q5dAVZpTQr4?si=bqonkhDhBDTLipTW

The best player in this game like Castle was in ‘23.
Shows some off-ball skills and shot making.
The additional 15 or so lbs that he is playing with here are noticeable too when compared to College and Combine videos.
Yep, convinced that we would be foolish to pass on, trade etc this guy.

[heyheymymy]

Not to be greedy, but if only Atlanta's pick also fell in the top 4. I wouldn't mind Ace Bailey too ;).

Thought crossed my mind too, I'm not even high on Bailey at all I just like the idea of keeping duos intact sometimes. Not sure if these Rutgers two have that kind of chemistry to be worth it but similar thing last year when I thought about the idea of Clingan at #8 with Castle in the same concept but alas.

[benefactor]

Having a hydra in the backcourt (Fox, Harper, Castle) with a dominating force (Wemby) in the front is a scenario we could only have dreamed about 3 years ago. Plug in whoever you want at the 4.
Agreed. I think a lot of us got distracted by Giannis and the potential for a trade (which is understandable) and we are all sort of now seeing what we have right in front of us. We have gone from will Wemby leave because all these role players suck to just how high can this guard threesome and Wemby fly

[Ice009]

Thought crossed my mind too, I'm not even high on Bailey at all I just like the idea of keeping duos intact sometimes. Not sure if these Rutgers two have that kind of chemistry to be worth it but similar thing last year when I thought about the idea of Clingan at #8 with Castle in the same concept but alas.

I think the Spurs would have done it last year if he was still on the board and I would have liked to get him on the team too. As for Bailey, the reason I'm warming up to him is because Dylan speaks highly of him and his game. In that video above he said he can score when he wants to, facilitate, play defense. He says all we see is his scoring. Says his IQ is underrated. If you sit down with him, you'll understand it. Says he can see over everyone at 6'10" (another person calling him 6'10"). Calls him a young T-Mac. Very twitchy. He'll get to his spots and can get buckets. Yeah, maybe talking him up as he's a teammate, but man, very intriguing prospect. Who do you guys think will pick him? I am guessing Utah would want him and he doesn't go further than that. I wonder if the Spurs would be interested in trying to trade up and/or what it would cost to get there (probably too much and not worth it).

[exstatic]

When the dust settles, if we draft Harper we're going to have a LOT of our talent tied up into Point Guards. I think there is a strong case then for signing one more guard to the roster to serve as a mentor for these guys.

What I envision is an older player with a ton of experience but maybe only a little left in the tank. They'd be willing to sign for the minimum and likely wouldn't play most of the season. But they're capable of stepping in for a handful of games, if needed, and can help mentor these guys. The name that keeps coming to mind if Jacque Vaughn, whom we signed for the minimum to be our 3rd PG (although he played a bigger role once he actually got here). I think Castle and Harper would really benefit from that. And while Fox already has a lot of experience, he's still only 27 and would probably benefit some as well.

Fox has been in the league for 8 years. That’s enough experience to be a mentor.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922756450343895418

[PopTheGOAT]

For those interested Dylan Harper is being interviewed live on espn right now
Has this been posted anywhere?

[Dejounte]

I think the Spurs would have done it last year if he was still on the board and I would have liked to get him on the team too. As for Bailey, the reason I'm warming up to him is because Dylan speaks highly of him and his game. In that video above he said he can score when he wants to, facilitate, play defense. He says all we see is his scoring. Says his IQ is underrated. If you sit down with him, you'll understand it. Says he can see over everyone at 6'10" (another person calling him 6'10"). Calls him a young T-Mac. Very twitchy. He'll get to his spots and can get buckets. Yeah, maybe talking him up as he's a teammate, but man, very intriguing prospect. Who do you guys think will pick him? I am guessing Utah would want him and he doesn't go further than that. I wonder if the Spurs would be interested in trying to trade up and/or what it would cost to get there (probably too much and not worth it).

Ace isn’t 6’10”. That’s been debunked already.

[sfernald]

james harden measured at 6'4 flat at the combine (nearly 6'11 wingspan). Harper's size will not be an issue at all

You know someone else he reminds me of is Brandon Roy. What a player! We are fucking set!!

[scottspurs]

Has this been posted anywhere?
Not sure I saw it during the combine game they had him on the set

[sfernald]

james harden measured at 6'4 flat at the combine (nearly 6'11 wingspan). Harper's size will not be an issue at all

You know someone else he reminds me of is Brandon Roy. What a player! Could slowly dance around and get any shot he wanted on the court. We are fucking set!!

[Dejounte]

You know someone else he reminds me of is Brandon Roy. What a player! Could slowly dance around and get any shot he wanted on the court. We are fucking set!!
Roy was a mid range maestro. Was one of my favorite players. I dont think Harper is there yet with his midrange.

[Mugen]

I wonder if they'll give him number 2 if Fox didn't wear it tbh.

[heyheymymy]

As others mentioned still remarkable to go from Primo, Tre Jones, Graham, hypothetical basketball player Wesley and 40 year old CP3 to now with Fox/Harper/Castle

[Mugen]

As others mentioned still remarkable to go from Primo, Tre Jones, Graham, hypothetical basketball player Wesley and 40 year old CP3 to now with Fox/Harper/Castle

If "It's better to be lucky than good" was a person tbh:

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[exstatic]

I wonder if they'll give him number 2 if Fox didn't wear it tbh.

Cleanse it, tbh.

[montgod]

If "It's better to be lucky than good" was a person tbh:

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Exactly!

Gotta think that Vassell might not be on the roster with this trio and used in a trade to strengthen other areas. With his contract, I can't see him as a player who comes off the bench.

[exstatic]

If "It's better to be lucky than good" was a person tbh:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZrvCJXkk4Dg8LSHGbLFZu2omFbzXL7 fFowiAeY3uEBCGTOvDWUyp9lxxpqF3QE9JFCYoF2uy7a8QdLBl G9uFr37NnLnVooX6w-pC4VA

Nah. The poster child for that is Nico.

[dn0774]

Exactly!

Gotta think that Vassell might not be on the roster with this trio and used in a trade to strengthen other areas. With his contract, I can't see him as a player who comes off the bench.

The concern is what kind of value does Vassell @ $27 million a year have to other teams? He isn't exactly coming off a great season either.

[benefactor]

Nah. The poster child for that is Nico.
Nico wasn't lucky. He was saved by the league because he was about to drive the entire fan base away with his stupidity. It was damage control

[montgod]

The concern is what kind of value does Vassell @ $27 million a year have to other teams? He isn't exactly coming off a great season either.

Good point. I'd have to think that the Spurs throwing in a draft pick would be the push needed to get a team to overlook that and see overall possible value that could come from the total deal. Obviously depends on the team/player/deal. I could see Nets doing it possibly for Cameron if no one else is biting on their initial ridiculous ask of 2 1st rders

[Arguendo]

His comp really is Harden to me. Obviously every player is different, but their stats and production were almost exactly the same at draft time, both are strong lefty guards who like to attack. Harden developed as a good three point shooter - if not a knockdown one - and right now is a better passer. But if Harper can get those lobs going on his drives against covers, there's a ton of similarity there.
And very similar size, 6'4" 6'10.75" for Harden @222 , 6'4.5" 10.5" for Harper at 213lbs.
Also love the kids of professionals, he'll come in knowing what it means to be a pro, with Vet knowledge coached in from a young age, shorten the learning curve some.

[spurraider21]

Nico wasn't lucky. He was saved by the league because he was about to drive the entire fan base away with his stupidity. It was damage control
somebody has to explain how they can fix the ping pong ball thing that is being recorded, watched by 30 team officials, in addition to media being in the room

[Gandalf]

somebody has to explain how they can fix the ping pong ball thing that is being recorded, watched by 30 team officials, in addition to media being in the room

Honestly, it wouldn’t be that hard nowadays. I watched a cool video a decade or more ago where a machine was sorting some sort of produce (beans from occasional pebbles or something I think) at high speed. The way it worked was the beans were in a layer on a high-speed conveyer belt, and they were launched over an air gap to another conveyer belt. There was an automated high-speed camera linked to an air compressor in the gap between the belts; when it spotted a rock or pebble in the stream of beans, it would blast it out of the stream, by itself, in mid-air.

Wouldn’t be that hard for a similar computerized system to ‘pick’ the balls/numbers they want to be blasted into the selector. Especially with computers nowadays, and billions of dollars on the line.

[CGD]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922756450343895418

Subtext:

Utah, we’re gonna need ALL the picks if you wanna talk trade.

Milwaukee, you don’t have as much leverage as you think you do.

[sfernald]

somebody has to explain how they can fix the ping pong ball thing that is being recorded, watched by 30 team officials, in addition to media being in the room

The whole thing is probably just a 3D hologram. Think magician. What do they want you to be looking at while they twiddle behind ur back.

[vy65]

It seems like in recent day/days, Spursfan’s opinion on Harper has considerably shifted from slight anti/meh to overwhelmingly positive. What was it that caused the change? Getting over the initial disappointment of not getting 1? Realizing Giannis is/would be a complete shit show? Something else entirely?

[spurraider21]

Honestly, it wouldn’t be that hard nowadays. I watched a cool video a decade or more ago where a machine was sorting some sort of produce (beans from occasional pebbles or something I think) at high speed. The way it worked was the beans were in a layer on a high-speed conveyer belt, and they were launched over an air gap to another conveyer belt. There was an automated high-speed camera linked to an air compressor in the gap between the belts; when it spotted a rock or pebble in the stream of beans, it would blast it out of the stream, by itself, in mid-air.

Wouldn’t be that hard for a similar computerized system to ‘pick’ the balls/numbers they want to be blasted into the selector. Especially with computers nowadays, and billions of dollars on the line.
you can watch the video and see the machine fairly close up. when the guy presses the button or whatever, you can basically see the ball closest to the chute get sucked in. its not like its magically drawing a pre-determined ball that was absurdly far away from the chute

i really dont buy it as fun as the narratives are

[Mr. Body]

It seems like in recent day/days, Spursfan’s opinion on Harper has considerably shifted from slight anti/meh to overwhelmingly positive. What was it that caused the change? Getting over the initial disappointment of not getting 1? Realizing Giannis is/would be a complete shit show? Something else entirely?

What do you think? It's not some big mystery.

[vy65]

somebody has to explain how they can fix the ping pong ball thing that is being recorded, watched by 30 team officials, in addition to media being in the room

And also being monitored by a big4 advisory firm