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    We had to find and kill Bin Laden. There was absolutely no reason to ever be there for 20 years.
    And that on spec.

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    We would definitely be taking military action if Mexico or Canada was becoming a puppet state for Russia, but it's still a re ed comparison. The countries that have joined / are considering joining NATO have free and fair elections (Ukraine, Finland, etc.)...the countries that remain loyal to Russia (Belarus) are authoritarian states where the people don't get to select their leader.

    Putin is essentially mad because he's worried that the Ukrainian people will get to decide their own fate vs. be forced under the thumb of another pro-Russia dictator.
    US influenced Ukranian election and basically chose their ruler. They also picked and choose which oligarchs stay and which go.

    To think USA did not insta the current Ukranian government is naive

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    Ukraine is not completely ed???
    so long as the Ghost of Kyiv breathes, they are not

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    US influenced Ukranian election and basically chose their ruler.
    Tell us how that happened.

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    Tell us how that happened.
    The Ukrainian people decided they didn't want to be ruled by an authoritarian, pro-Russia puppet, therefore it must have been a US-backed coup. That's what I gather hater's logic is.

    Seriously, the people like hater & Glen Greenwald who say that the US is pulling the strings behind every single regime change are even dumber than neocons who still defend the Iraq War.

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    We had to find and kill Bin Laden. That's it. There was absolutely no reason to ever be there for 20 years, and if going into Afghanistan was really just about retribution for 9/11, then I'd love to hear an explanation about why Saudi Arabia didn't face any military action.
    Unfortunately, it took us 10 years to find Bin Laden is one problem. The other is the nation building exercise we decided on.

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    The Ukrainian people decided they didn't want to be ruled by an authoritarian, pro-Russia puppet, therefore it must have been a US-backed coup. That's what I gather hater's logic is.

    Seriously, the people like hater & Glen Greenwald who say that the US is pulling the strings behind every single regime change are even dumber than neocons who still defend the Iraq War.
    its re ed because their entire epistemology is nonsense

    everything begins with the premise that "the US is wrong" and then everything follows from there. same with jimmy dore, and other re s like the people at Grayzone or whatever

    many times, the US is wrong. but that should be the conclusion, not a foundational premise upon which you build a worldview

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    Unfortunately, it took us 10 years to find Bin Laden is one problem. The other is the nation building exercise we decided on.
    It took 10 years largely because the Bush administration decided to shift its attention Iraq.

    The nation building exercise was totally unnecessary. People in the middle east are savages, let them wipe each other out as far as I'm concerned.

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    US influenced Ukranian election and basically chose their ruler. They also picked and choose which oligarchs stay and which go.

    To think USA did not insta the current Ukranian government is naive
    Total bull .

    But I suspect it was the neocons that promised Ukraine NATO membership even though that made no sense whatsoever. And I love Ukraine but geopolitically it made no sense.

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    its re ed because their entire epistemology is nonsense

    everything begins with the premise that "the US is wrong" and then everything follows from there. same with jimmy dore, and other re s like the people at Grayzone or whatever

    many times, the US is wrong. but that should be the conclusion, not a foundational premise upon which you build a worldview
    That's basically my point.

    The 2003-era neocon who bought every post-9/11 Toby Keith CD begins everything with the premise that the US is always right, while the Dore/Groomwald begin everything with a a premise that's the complete opposite but is equally oversimplified and stupid.

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    It took 10 years largely because the Bush administration decided to shift its attention Iraq.
    That's exactly right. The Iraq war was one of this country's worst ever mistakes. I was 100% against it but I did support the Afghanistan operations until I realized what it had become.

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    US influenced Ukranian election and basically chose their ruler. They also picked and choose which oligarchs stay and which go.

    To think USA did not insta the current Ukranian government is naive
    hater coming back to the fore.

    hater

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    its re ed because their entire epistemology is nonsense

    everything begins with the premise that "the US is wrong" and then everything follows from there. same with jimmy dore, and other re s like the people at Grayzone or whatever

    many times, the US is wrong. but that should be the conclusion, not a foundational premise upon which you build a worldview
    Because we've been wrong every ing time since Korea.., you silly SOB, you.

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    Because we've been wrong every ing time since Korea.., you silly SOB, you.
    That's cute coming from someone who I'd bet my life voted for George W. Bush twice and supported the Iraq War.

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    Because we've been wrong every ing time since Korea.., you silly SOB, you.
    The first gulf war was a success militarily and had a UN mandate.

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    Because we've been wrong every ing time since Korea.., you silly SOB, you.
    america was 100% right on november 3, 2020

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    Seriously, do all the pedocons not realize how hilarious they look going from ardent neocons less than 20 years ago to being Putin simps who think American foreign policy is always wrong?

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    imo theres still no chance that end of the day ukraine will hold up if russia continues to press, but the more difficult it is, the more the russian people (among those who are supportive of the invasion) have to wonder if the juice is even worth the squeeze

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    imo theres still no chance that end of the day ukraine will hold up, but the more difficult it is, the more the russian people (among those who are supportive of the invasion) have to wonder if the juice is even worth the squeeze
    IMO the only way Ukraine holds up is with a huge counter insurgency effort from citizens in Kyiv. The Ukrainian army has already distributed automatic weapons to 10,000 citizens, and that number needs to multiply.

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    its bad/wrong when the US does it, too

    what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine?
    What does it have to do? Pretty much what you said on the first sentence. Just pointing that out. Since we all agree, we can move on.

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    so long as the Ghost of Kyiv breathes, they are not
    ma niga

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    The Ukrainian people decided they didn't want to be ruled by an authoritarian, pro-Russia puppet, therefore it must have been a US-backed coup. That's what I gather hater's logic is.

    Seriously, the people like hater & Glen Greenwald who say that the US is pulling the strings behind every single regime change are even dumber than neocons who still defend the Iraq War.
    Victoria Nuland has leaked phone calls where she names who can be included in new Ukranian government and who cannot.

    The billions and billions of US dollars that flodded to Ukraine are also facts.

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    so long as the Ghost of Kyiv breathes, they are not
    Nothing more than an invention thru state run CNN, penned by Stephen King for Hussein Obama and his fellow race hustler; fart face Biden.

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    The Ukrainians would basically need to become as ruthless as the Chechens were in the 90s, which is unlikely since the Chechens are more or less mutants from The Hills Have Eyes. No normal group of human beings is capable of being as savage as they were.

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    before you laugh at unverified rumors, just remember that time you believed the president of the united states demanded to have access to "the gorilla channel", would sit and watch videos of gorillas fighting each other, and would talk to the TV praising the gorillas for their fighting ability, and you not only thought it was true, but also thought it was an alpha move to do so

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