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    I agree the Iowa poll was an outlier and both Dems and GOP smart analysts agree Selzer is washed up.

    As far as early vote states indicating a clear issue for one candidates, it's not just Florida but it's similar in Arizona.

    However Wisconsin early vote is looking surprisingly bad for Trump.
    Link to a smart dem agreeing that Selzer is washed up

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    Link to a smart dem agreeing that Selzer is washed up
    Will Hunting basically agreed

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    That's great that you both think Selzer is washed up. Anyone else?

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    granular early voting totals can be found here: Early Voting and Mail-In Ballots by State 2024 Results

    seems women outvote men at the 55-57% level somewhat consistently across the country, but the split is more even in some western states.

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    I agree the Iowa poll was an outlier and both Dems and GOP smart analysts agree Selzer is washed up.

    As far as early vote states indicating a clear issue for one candidates, it's not just Florida but it's similar in Arizona.

    However Wisconsin early vote is looking surprisingly bad for Trump.
    You’re using voter registration in Arizona which is dumb. Voter registration means absolutely nothing in a state where you have so many ancestral Republicans who vote Dem and haven’t updated their voter registration yet. It’s the same reason Louisiana has more registered Dems than Rs. It’s a lagging indicator.

    Arizona’s 4th congressional district for example has slightly more registered Rs than Ds and it votes for Biden by double digits in 2020. The precinct I grew up in has more registered Rs than registered Dems and it voted for Biden by 20% in 2020 and it'll likely be even bluer this year.

    I think Trump is slightly favored in AZ but it's going to be very close and all the people on Twitter talking about muh voter registration advantage in AZ are clueless morons.

    You're also wrong about Wisconsin tho, the early voting data there isn’t bad for Trump . I think the election boils down to Wisconsin and it's going to be a razor thing margin for whoever wins.
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    granular early voting totals can be found here: Early Voting and Mail-In Ballots by State 2024 Results

    seems women outvote men at the 55-57% level somewhat consistently across the country, but the split is more even in some western states.
    It's worth mentioning that in 2023, the early vote turnout looked bad for Dems in Virginia but the election day turnout was unexpectedly good (especially re: black voters) and it led to them winning both chambers there.

    Point being that election day turnout is a giant question mark and makes it so there's little value in early voting numbers. It's the first post-COVID presidential election and there's no way of knowing what the Tuesday electorate looks like. It's likely going to have more men than liberals anticipate but it's also going to have more blacks and other minorities than Republicans anticipate.

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    You're also wrong about Wisconsin tho, the early voting data there isn’t bad for Trump . I think the election boils down to Wisconsin and it's going to be a razor thing margin for whoever wins.
    I think Hovde narrowly outruns Trump by virtue of WOW, white suburbanites that aren't big on Trump are the most likely demographic to split ticket (though still less likely in a post-Obama polarized environment) while non-college educated Trumpers -- especially exurban and rural, are the least likely to split ticket.

    So if you think POTUS boils down to WI, that pretty much means you're confident Harris is taking PA then?

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    The betting markets swung because of a Kamala +3 Iowa poll that's clearly ed up. Even though the poll was conducted by the "holy grail" of Iowa pollsters it was clearly very flawed (it was a Biden-won sample in a state that Trump won by 8% in 2020 FFS). It's very unclear to me why Selzer is risking her reputation on such a shoddy poll, because she's losing her A+ pollster rating unless Trump wins Iowa by like 3% or less (which would mean Kamala landslide across the country).
    No clue what she was thinking releasing such a poll I'm not surprised you're the only board D not huffing the Selzer hopium poll.





    Emerson released a poll after Selzer that actually reflected the current electorate with a much larger pool and had Trump +10.

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    UPDATE: BERNIE MORENO TAKES THE RCP LEAD!!!

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/pol...rown-vs-moreno

    (though, I don't see it being nearly that close, remember... non-college grad Trumpers are least likely demographic to split ticket, Moreno massively overperformed in the primary polls and won that primary in NE Ohio around Youngstown by dictator margins over Dolan and LaRose, which is the absolute must-win area for Sherrod Brown as that's where he was able to hold on in 2018 and reverse some trends there.

    The massive problem for Sherrod Brown is that these new-GOP voters, which are heavy concentrated in North and Northeast Ohio, are hardcore straight ticket voters and just don't split-ticket for Senator the way the historically GOP college educated whites around Cincinnati and Columbus did in the past (most of these voters now vote blue for president these days).

    Trump wins Ohio by 8%, Moreno by 5-6% imo similar to Vance.


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/pol...eehy-vs-tester

    TIM SHEEHY MAINTAINS SOLID LEAD OVER JON TESTER, FINALLY ENDING THE 2006 IRAQ-KATRINA BLUE WAVE

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    No clue what she was thinking releasing such a poll I'm not surprised you're the only board D not huffing the Selzer hopium poll.





    Emerson released a poll after Selzer that actually reflected the current electorate with a much larger pool and had Trump +10.
    Why are you guys caring so hard?

    I'm just here to laugh at the overreaction including two instapolls coming out of nowhere to refute the original poll.

    Alex Jones' lawyer?

    lol

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    Polls

    Has anyone gone back and looked at previous polls before and after for accuracy?

    If already posted, i missed it.

    Thank you.

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    Emerson released a poll after Selzer that actually reflected the current electorate with a much larger pool and had Trump +10.
    Very select "Gotchya" moment?
    Selzer perhaps meant at what point in time were the D and Rs polled or from among how many people is this D and R taken from.
    She seems to be having legit difficulty seeing the screen.

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    No clue what she was thinking releasing such a poll I'm not surprised you're the only board D not huffing the Selzer hopium poll.





    Emerson released a poll after Selzer that actually reflected the current electorate with a much larger pool and had Trump +10.
    Lol " poll"

    Trump speak

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    It's worth mentioning that in 2023, the early vote turnout looked bad for Dems in Virginia but the election day turnout was unexpectedly good (especially re: black voters) and it led to them winning both chambers there.

    Point being that election day turnout is a giant question mark and makes it so there's little value in early voting numbers. It's the first post-COVID presidential election and there's no way of knowing what the Tuesday electorate looks like. It's likely going to have more men than liberals anticipate but it's also going to have more blacks and other minorities than Republicans anticipate.
    one thing about VA though is the popular vote in 2023 despite not being the 2021 red wave effect, it was definitely purple and the state legislative maps there make it very hard for the GOP to win either chamber in any given year especially the state senate. I wouldn't say it's the most ugly partisan gerrymander compared to states like Illinois and Nevada (or the old GOP Wisconsin maps) but Nova is definitely overrepresented and eat a lot of the red exurbs.

    I can see Harris/Kaine winning by like 3-4%, comfy enough to not worry but alarmingly close, it won't be callable for awhile because Trump will hold a pretty large lead until the Nova dumps come in.

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    Fraudsters caught doing the fraud thing




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    Fraudsters caught doing the fraud thing



    Why are you accusing our servicemen and women of fraud?

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    Quite a few? I've met zero and I don't know anyone else that has met any.

    I know some that stupidly feed the deer in their area but that's it
    I've met more deer pet owners than::::

    Trump+Sherrod Brown voters
    Trump+Bob Casey voters
    Trump+Elissa Slotkin voters
    Trump+Tammy s Baldwin voters
    Trump+Ruben Gallego voters
    Trump+Jacky Rosen voters
    Trump+Clin Allred voters

    .......combined.

    split ticketing in 2024
    garbage polls

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    "Kamala murdered our gay porn rodent mascot" was not on my election issue bingo card.

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    for some reason Dogecoin is up today, and substantially, by >5%. I'm guessing they're banking on major election memes dominating the internet, which kind of makes sense.

    you'll never get a May 2021 bull run on doge and alt coins again though

    BTC down nearly 4%, Etherium down over 2%. Dogecoin UP over 7.5%. Wild.

    https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cry...brutal-price-a

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    I'd hardly call BTC being within 9% of its ATH "tanking." You new to crypto Andy?

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    I'd hardly call BTC being within 9% of its ATH "tanking." You new to crypto Andy?
    I mean, it's not 2022 levels of tank, but we didn't expect it to fall back under 70k after re-reaching its ATH a week ago and rate cuts on the way this Thursday.

    Bernstein has been consistent about a Harris victory crashing BTC down to 30-40k or worse (though still recovering reasonably quickly and eventually reaching $100k and up by late summer 2025), mostly driven by profit takers from the 2022/2023 bear market and likely increased crypto regulations under a Harris regime, but that's not in line with previous election cycle times regardless of if the Dems or GOP won the White House. However, this is the first election year that crypto has really been a politically divisive issue. Bernstein is also saying a surge to 80-90k if Trump is called the winner is likely, mostly driven by FOMO buying.

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    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
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    I've met more deer pet owners than::::

    Trump+Sherrod Brown voters
    Trump+Bob Casey voters
    Trump+Elissa Slotkin voters
    Trump+Tammy s Baldwin voters
    Trump+Ruben Gallego voters
    Trump+Jacky Rosen voters
    Trump+Clin Allred voters

    .......combined.

    split ticketing in 2024
    garbage polls
    I've met the same amount of dogecoin users.

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    It's almost time, fellas. Gonna be one for the ages. It's sad that if Trump wins (legitimately), I have no fear of violence but if he does lose, anything is possible. Especially if he's sentenced to jail time shortly thereafter.

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    It's almost time, fellas. Gonna be one for the ages. It's sad that if Trump wins (legitimately), I have no fear of violence but if he does lose, anything is possible. Especially if he's sentenced to jail time shortly thereafter.
    If Trump wins like he did in 2016 or similar, there will be property crime, signs, hipsters, bad words, graffiti, broken windows and maybe some tear gas, but that's the extent

    If Trump wins comfortably, the popular vote and the election, probably crickets

    If Harris wins comfortably, like Obama 2008 or similar, probably mostly crickets

    If Harris wins similar to Biden in 2020, yes there will be riots and possibly some violence or at least threats of such, maybe a shooting or two

    If Trump wins the popular vote but narrowly loses the electoral college to Harris.... something like 270-268 or even 276-262... there will be a civil war. Imagine Trump's ego seeing people like Moreno, McCormick, Rogers, Hovde, even Kari Lake get sworn in but not himself.

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