clash peter holt vs tony parker

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nash maybe not. But rondo, calderon and for sure CP3 would get more assist. Pop allows parker to do what he wants for the most part. If he were to allow these other guys to do the same then they average more assist without changing the offense dramatically.

None of these would get more assists in the Spurs system, watch more basketball and ignore boxscores.

[DAF86]

You know about Spurs basketball, that's why. Nash wouldn't average more assists in the Spurs offense.

I don't want to trade Parker, but I don't agree with your claim. A team's offensive plan has a lot to do with a player's offensive numbers but that players habilities and characteristics have a lot more to do.

Parker is a shoot first PG that's why he averages 20 ppg and 6 assts per game. Nash is more of a conventional PG, he wouldn't average the same number of assts he averages on Phoenix but he would definitely average more than 6, he would also make less than 20 ppg.

[portnoy1]

You act like the plays that Parker runs aren't designed by the Spurs

They are what he does with them is what irratates me. Be reasonable bro, you know Pop doesnt call every play. Parker has all those plays at his disposal and he almost always runs the play ( fist up aka high pick n roll ) and then does his song and dance to get to the paint. You have to run plays for other guys instead of always trying to create for them. Utilize all 4 guys on the court, all good point guards do that.

[timaios]

portnoy1 best off

I'm not a parker-hater like many think, I just dont like the fact that he gets credited for being a top point guard.

Parker doesn't play to the strengths of his teammates, He plays to his strengths and gets his points and then looks for his teammates when he gets doubled... I'm not trying to dog him or anything, I just want to make sure that everyone looks at him honestly STRENGTHS and WEAKNESSES.

Pf - Duncan / Gist / Bonner
Sf - Finley / Bowen / Hairston
C - Bargnani / Mensah Bonsuh / Thomas
Pg - Calderon / Hill
Sg - Mason / Manu
Championship 5

The Celtics are not going to give up rondo who runs a solid offense for parker who is more of a scoring guard. and if they get him he'll be backing up Rondo just like marbury the once premier point guard is. its all about team play together.

By the way im not a parker hater, the guy is incredible. Its just that the spurs need a real point guard who understands how to utilize other player better. ala cp3/d-will / rondo / calderon.

This will sound kinda funny;but actually alot of the spurs problems offensively are Tony Parkers fault.

Trade tony parker for Jose calderon. Calderon is real point gaurd who knows his personel on the floor, who isn't always looking for his shot. who is more effecient, who is a better ft, fg and 3pt shooter, and who plays better defense, and who passes much much much much better, and who is much more focused and hungry than a younger guy who already has 3 rings and a wife to die for at home.

This is great, We can finally trade him for a real point guard. Maybe we can pull a 3-team deal, trade parker and some others 3-4$million dudes ( i.e. matt bonner / roger mason jr. ) to houston and toronto and get Calderon / Bargnani / Battier out of it somehow. Spurs can win wothout parker as long as they have a legit Point guard who makes the game easier for everybody and utilizes their talents

[SonOfAGun]

word from Paris is the river Seine is flowing with blood after this debacle

lmao

[eyeh8u]

You act like the plays that Parker runs aren't designed by the Spurs

no i think he is saying the offense relies on parker too much, its parker penetrate or pass off and shoot a three. We saw that game plan doesn't work with this years 1st round outing . The offense changes to adapt to the players, thats why an Avery PG offense with the same coach is different than a Parker PG offense with the same coach.

[nkdlunch]

The only 3 PGs that can even compare to Parker's value are CP3, Deron and Chauncey

[ElNono]

Parker for Duncan!!!! Oh wait...

[portnoy1]

None of these would get more assists in the Spurs system, watch more basketball and ignore boxscores.

I'm basing it on actual games watched. I had nba league pass, so I watch all these guys in action and exactly how they go their assist and points. So i know the spurs offense and some other teams including raptors, Celtics and Hornets, suns.

[SonOfAGun]

Can you imagine if Parker got injured and did a Manu this year? He would be run out of San Antonio.

This is THE year. Everything is on the line for this season.

[portnoy1]

portnoy1 best off

Wow I have a fan!!!!! lol

[portnoy1]

no i think he is saying the offense relies on parker too much, its parker penetrate or pass off and shoot a three. We saw that game plan doesn't work with this years 1st round outing . The offense changes to adapt to the players, thats why an Avery PG offense with the same coach is different than a Parker PG offense with the same coach.

yeah thats pretty much it.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't want to trade Parker, but I don't agree with your claim. A team's offensive plan has a lot to do with a player's offensive numbers but that players habilities and characteristics have a lot more to do.

Which is exactly why Parker was molded into the type of player he is right now by Pop. He's perfect for the Spurs offense.

[ElNono]

Can you imagine if Parker got injured and did a Manu this year? He would be run out of San Antonio.

I'm sorry. What did Manu exactly do?

[eyeh8u]

The only 3 PGs that can even compare to Parker's value are CP3, Deron and Chauncey

no one is gonna trade CP3 the face of the hornets or Deron one of the few good players lef ton the jazz for Parker, and Chauncey is too old

all im saying is that if there becomes a big rift between parker and the spurs, one of the few viable trades would be for rondo

Would i trade rondo if he was the same age and the same salary as TP, no but for the youth and the 15% of tony salary i would. Rondo is one of the few viable trades out there, becuase he pissed off management for some reason in boston

[picnroll]

How dare Holt ask for an evaluation of Parker's ankle by doctors he's familiar with. I mean it's not like he has $80 million dollars riding on this season.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm basing it on actual games watched. I had nba league pass, so I watch all these guys in action and exactly how they go their assist and points. So i know the spurs offense and some other teams including raptors, Celtics and Hornets, suns.

You have watched the Spurs play and you expect the PG in that system , whoever he is, to average 10+ assists per game? Seriously?

[portnoy1]

Which is exactly why Parker was molded into the type of player he is right now by Pop. He's perfect for the Spurs offense.

The spurs offense sucks right now, Especially if you dont have Manu. When Duncan or Manu is out parker puts up 30pt a game. thats cool but what about those other dudes? There still putting up the same old numbers cause their not getting any more or better shots than before. you stop parkers penetration then you win the game, thats how bad our offense is right now.

[DAF86]

Which is exactly why Parker was molded into the type of player he is right now by Pop. He's perfect for the Spurs offense.

Sure, Pop made him a speed demon with an incredible ability to finish at the rim on traffic.

A player is what it is, and then a team's offensive scheme is molded according to the players you have in your roster. If Pop molds his players according to his system why AJ wasn't remotely close to what Parker is?

[portnoy1]

You have watched the Spurs play and you expect the PG in that system , whoever he is, to average 10+ assists per game? Seriously?

close to it, if he has the ball all the time and decent pieces around him.

[Dr Cox]

so who would win in a fight between the 2

[portnoy1]

Sure, Pop made him a speed demon with an incredible ability to finish at the rim on traffic.

A player is what it is, and then a team's offensive scheme is molded according to the players you have in your roster. If Pop molds his players according to his system why AJ wasn't remotely close to what Parker is?

to me that system would be more effective today than what we have now. penetrate and dish is awesome and effecient, but you MUST throw the ball in to the bigMEN. thats why its important to have 2 bigmen with abilities instead of a whole bunch of perimeter players.

[Spursfan092120]

This is what I thought all along. Holt is a little bit paranoid...and after what happened last summer and the events of this summer I don't blame him.

Exactly how I feel. After what happened with Manu, you can't be too cautious. Especially since he's paid so much money to try to win this year. If we lose Tony, we spent that money for nothing. As much as I love him, Hill<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Tony. We can't win without him.

[nkdlunch]

France better watch out. Holt can have an army of Holt Cats on Paris streets in days.

[Dr Cox]

can anyone see this pic, my comp is messed up!?