Pacers have traded this pick to the Spurs for George Hill sources say

[apalisoc_9]

Nice

Danny Green and Leonard > Bowen Defensively..

You can check my posts back in 07-08 and i was the biggest Bowen fan...

[SpursFan86]

We traded a promising young PG who could replace Tony for an injury-prone monkeyballer stuck in the early-2000s still wearing cornrows.

I'll never forgive our FO for this.

[Hoops Czar]

A contradiction right there. Leonard isn't going to supply instant stability at the small forward position. , he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons. Parker is as good as gone when Duncan retires which could come as soon as next season. They traded away a starting SG, who even with his ups and downs, was the one and only valuable trade chip the Spurs had at their disposal who could have brought in proven talent. They pissed it all away on a future maybe, a future shawn Marion best case scenario. Shawn Marion BLOWS!!!

Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!

He's only incredibly bargain if he plays and contributes on a regular basis. If he's riding the pine, he's useless. I'm not one for collecting bigs just for the sake of having bigs on the roster. For a player averaging 1.7 minutes/game, that's about right. He's still got a lot to prove and as far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on him.

Not sure why you included Bargnani. He's at level Splitter can't touch.

Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.

Overkill!!!

I was all in on Hill and Blair for Love.

You're just trolling, right?

OK, now it's funny again!!!!

[100%duncan]

Lol noobs czar f gottttt

[apalisoc_9]

Hoops czar

[dabom]

Hoops is got with the bads tbh. His takes are worse than hater. Dude doesnt know basketball.

[Nathan89]

Pacers giving us a top 5 player in the league for George Hill

[$pursDynasty]

the thread that will never die, with Kiwi's ascendance, this has a chance to keep getting bumped for years, the oldest active thread is Spurs talk. I can't think of one that has a chance to live longer, man I thought that TSpense Pau thread would not die but this thread has years on that one.

[vander]

wow I had forgotten that the Spurs didn't even give up the 29 pick and also got Bertans. there must have been some off the record dealings.

also, however much Chip Engelland makes, it isn't enough

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Larry Bird got Executive of the year for 2011/12

[cd98]

Hard to blame Larry. Even the Spurs didn't know Leonard would be this good. They just knew that they needed a small forward, and he was the best one that they could trade for in that draft. They just struck gold, kind of like drafting a no name kid in the second round named Ginobili. No one had any idea what he would become. TBH, too many people here hate on Parker; he was a steal as a late first round draft pick. I'm sure the Pacers are kicking themselves for trading Leonard, but they were thinking they had their small forward of the future and they needed a PG. Hence, the trade.

[Seventyniner]

Hard to blame Larry. Even the Spurs didn't know Leonard would be this good. They just knew that they needed a small forward, and he was the best one that they could trade for in that draft. They just struck gold, kind of like drafting a no name kid in the second round named Ginobili. No one had any idea what he would become. TBH, too many people here hate on Parker; he was a steal as a late first round draft pick. I'm sure the Pacers are kicking themselves for trading Leonard, but they were thinking they had their small forward of the future and they needed a PG. Hence, the trade.

The Pacers ostensibly didn't want Leonard because of Paul George's breakout. As said before, it's a lite version of the Blazers passing over Jordan because they already had Drexler. The comparison becomes more appropriate the better Leonard gets, especially vis a vis George.

[szkorhetz]

Hard to blame Larry. Even the Spurs didn't know Leonard would be this good. They just knew that they needed a small forward, and he was the best one that they could trade for in that draft. They just struck gold, kind of like drafting a no name kid in the second round named Ginobili. No one had any idea what he would become. TBH, too many people here hate on Parker; he was a steal as a late first round draft pick. I'm sure the Pacers are kicking themselves for trading Leonard, but they were thinking they had their small forward of the future and they needed a PG. Hence, the trade.

Wasn't there stories about that Leonard was only fifth or sixth even in the Spurs desired draft board?

[8FOR!3]

lol I remember this thread. I was pissed bc we passed on Chris Singleton. I thought he was the next Ron Artest and would be the best defender in the draft. Obviously I was so wrong, I didn't even know who Kawhi Leonard was at the time

[Agloco]

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[Brazil]

Unless yall are ready to rebuild, why in the world are Spur fans celebrating this? Even if this developes into a stud it wont be an immediate thing, and Manu & Tim dont necessarily have enough time left to wait for that.

If youre ready to rebuild then continue your celebration. Although honestly trading a 23 yr old talented player doesnt make much sense either.

apparently not all the krew was right before everybody tbh

BTW I did not see dabom or apa takes on Kawhi's potential on this thread tbh

[cd98]

Wasn't there stories about that Leonard was only fifth or sixth even in the Spurs desired draft board?

It's possible they wanted Williams or the Morris twins as those were the only small forwards to go before Kawhi. The big question for Kawhi is whether he would be able to consistently shoot in the upper .30s from 3 point range. I'm sure the teams that were ahead of the Spurs weren't so sure he could do it. The Spurs, however, desperately needed a small forward that could defend, and they knew Kawhi could at least do that. We happened to have two good point guards, Parker and Hill. Indiana, on the other hand, had Paul George and no point guard. Hill had looked good that year and in the playoffs, and as a known commodity that was young, the Spurs were able to get more for him than just Kawhi. Most people said that draft was a terrible draft from the outset. Kawhi proved to be a major exception to that rule.

[cjw]

It's possible they wanted Williams or the Morris twins as those were the only small forwards to go before Kawhi. The big question for Kawhi is whether he would be able to consistently shoot in the upper .30s from 3 point range. I'm sure the teams that were ahead of the Spurs weren't so sure he could do it. The Spurs, however, desperately needed a small forward that could defend, and they knew Kawhi could at least do that. We happened to have two good point guards, Parker and Hill. Indiana, on the other hand, had Paul George and no point guard. Hill had looked good that year and in the playoffs, and as a known commodity that was young, the Spurs were able to get more for him than just Kawhi. Most people said that draft was a terrible draft from the outset. Kawhi proved to be a major exception to that rule.

Hill has really lifted his game this year despite much higher usage (previous high was 18.6, now up to 23.3). Nice to see him playing well. They got back a nice piece in the deal after all, except took him a few years. Meanwhile, Kawhi would be no worse than the #2 pick in a redraft behind Kyrie and that could eventually flip.

[FkLA]

apparently not all the krew was right before everybody tbh

BTW I did not see dabom or apa takes on Kawhi's potential on this thread tbh

The post you quoted doesn't even talk about Kawhi's potential. I was more worried about Timmy/Manu not having enough time left to allow Kawhi to develop. Kawhi was only 19 and extremely raw--couldn't shoot or dribble much. I think it speaks volumes about the type of gym rat he is so if anything I'm guilty of underestimating his work ethic. He's made huge strides in four short years.

I was sold after that first season. Wouldn't trade him back for five GHills tbh.

[Silver&Black]

lol I remember this thread. I was pissed bc we passed on Chris Singleton. I thought he was the next Ron Artest and would be the best defender in the draft. Obviously I was so wrong, I didn't even know who Kawhi Leonard was at the time

And you know what man....it's totally fine. I didn't know who Kawhi Leonard was either. Needless to say, I didn't watch much San Diego State basketball.

What kills me though is these people who are only in it to say "See guys...I told you so" and "Look at me...I was right all along".

[FkLA]

What kills me though is these people who are only in it to say "See guys...I told you so" and "Look at me...I was right all along".

Yep. Even if someone followed SDSU closely, Kawhi was so raw offensively that it would've been extremely hard to guess his ceiling. He's averaging more PPG this season with the Spurs than he ever did in college. If anybody predicted this back then it was probably more a case of being a homer than anything else tbh.

[pgardn]

And you know what man....it's totally fine. I didn't know who Kawhi Leonard was either. Needless to say, I didn't watch much San Diego State basketball.

What kills me though is these people who are only in it to say "See guys...I told you so" and "Look at me...I was right all along".

No one knew we would get what is now on our team, no one. I wonder if Pop and RC knew KL would be so dedicated. There is no way anyone on this board could know that.

What is so exciting for me is this kid can get better. He can get physically stronger and improve his dribbling skills. And obviously his FT shooting... Last night he had a number of plays where he physically beasted up opponents. We saw how tough he played on Lebron but he can get stronger, a true specimen. He had been the best athlete on the team early on, but not the best player.

[Silver&Black]

Yep. Even if someone followed SDSU closely, Kawhi was so raw offensively that it would've been extremely hard to guess his ceiling. He's averaging more PPG this season with the Spurs than he ever did in college. If anybody predicted this back then it was probably more a case of being a homer than anything else tbh.

Well said.

If someone were to tell me before Kawhi got drafted that he would be our best player (by far) during his 4th year....I would have said you are bat crazy. Would I have been wrong....absolutely. But I've been wrong several times about the Spurs. I can remember (vividly I might add) throwing a ing tantrum when we drafted "Gee-Know-Bee-Lee". I cussed at the screen for 10 minutes. Who the is this guy from Argentina? European League? WTF are we doing?

I ate that plate of crow a long time ago....

[Brazil]

The post you quoted doesn't even talk about Kawhi's potential. I was more worried about Timmy/Manu not having enough time left to allow Kawhi to develop. Kawhi was only 19 and extremely raw--couldn't shoot or dribble much. I think it speaks volumes about the type of gym rat he is so if anything I'm guilty of underestimating his work ethic. He's made huge strides in four short years.

I was sold after that first season. Wouldn't trade him back for five GHills tbh.

Just poking you a bit... You were not a big fan of this trade mainly because this trade was assurance parker would resign for an extension tbh

Funny part is Hill maturation has been very slow tbh... He struggled quite a bit when given the minutes with Indiana. In retrospect keeping hill and trading parker would have put Spurs on rebuilding mode.... exactly what you feared it would happen with Kawhi.

even if Kawhi turn out to be "just" a solid role player this trade was great because she was addressing what Spurs needed the most a wing player with length and defensive skills but best part he was a dude capable to eat RJ's minutes

[apalisoc_9]

Just poking you a bit... You were not a big fan of this trade mainly because this trade was assurance parker would resign for an extension tbh

Funny part is Hill maturation has been very slow tbh... He struggled quite a bit when given the minutes with Indiana. In retrospect keeping hill and trading parker would have put Spurs on rebuilding mode.... exactly what you feared it would happen with Kawhi.

even if Kawhi turn out to be "just" a solid role player this trade was great because she was addressing what Spurs needed the most a wing player with length and defensive skills but best part he was a dude capable to eat RJ's minutes

Never address Leonard the same way you address yourself, buddy.