Official All Kobe, All The Time Thread

[Allanon]

I don't care what you think about ginobili, what I do know is that LeBron and others are better clutch players than Kobe is, and the stats prove it.

This isn't my opinion. I'm asking about yours.

This relates directly to your posted link
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/11/05/clutch.numbersgame/index.html

Is Manu Ginobili clutch or not, in YOUR opinion.

[MiamiHeat]

Don't know enough about ginobili, so don't care. Ask a Spur fan if you like.

I do know enough about Bron, and he's better than Kobe. Period.


Kobe has taken the most game winners, missed the most, and yet is #4 in the league in made game winners.

That's sad for this overhyped "Clutch" player

[Allanon]

I don't care what you think about ginobili, what I do know is that LeBron and others are better clutch players than Kobe is, and the stats prove it.

I promise, once we bust apart this stupid John Schumann "Kobe ain't clutch" article, I'll move on to your 82 games list.

That list is stupid as well, but we'll talk about it after we finish with your first link/stats.

[MiamiHeat]

There's nothing to talk about.

Show me stats to disprove them.

otherwise, you are just jerking off in denial.

[Allanon]

Don't know enough about ginobili, so don't care. Ask a Spur fan if you like.

I do know enough about Bron, and he's better than Kobe. Period.


Kobe has taken the most game winners, missed the most, and yet is #4 in the league in made game winners.

That's sad for this overhyped "Clutch" player

What? You can't give your opinion?

Ok. The stats are right there in front of your face in the link YOU posted.

You posted these stats,
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/11/05/clutch.numbersgame/index.html

So according to the link and stats you posted, is Manu Ginobili clutch or not clutch.

[MiamiHeat]

SHOW ME STATS TO prove that kobe is 'the most clutch in the NBA today"


Can you do it? Nope. LeBron is #1 in most everything clutch.

Laker fans in denial, once again.

[Allanon]

SHOW ME STATS TO prove that kobe is 'the most clutch in the NBA today"


Can you do it? Nope. LeBron is #1 in most everything clutch.

Laker fans in denial, once again.

Why don't you just answer the question? YOU posted the link, not me. I even asked you about it and you asked me if I had read it.

I've copied and pasted a picture of YOUR Link that YOU posted.

Is Manu Ginobili clutch according to YOUR link you posted?

http://badpussy.org/uploads/files/c7xnasawrznzn9fz8e1y.jpg
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/11/05/clutch.numbersgame/index.html

[MiamiHeat]

You've lost my interest in posting to you, so if you have a point to make, make it quick

otherwise, you are just the same as other laker fans here, who try to hype up bryant without any facts.

[Allanon]

You've lost my interest in posting to you, so if you have a point to make, make it quick

otherwise, you are just the same as other laker fans here, who try to hype up bryant without any facts.

:lol

I knew you wouldn't answer the question.

Anybody can make up/put together stats and write an article.

But actually understanding the stats is a whole lot different.

John Schuman's and 82Games article are both full of holes when you start to question their made up stats.

It's like John Hollinger saying the Spurs are going to miss the Playoffs and the Jazz are going to win the WCF predictions by using stupid numbers.

[MiamiHeat]

John Schuman's and 82Games article are both full of holes when you start to question their made up stats.

Where is the holes?

Show them, i'd like to see the proof of this claim. Cut the games and start talking.

I mean, I'd love to see how you are going to spin Kobe's most attempted, most missed, and yet #4 in made shots in NBA in game winners

[Allanon]

Where is the holes?

Show them, i'd like to see the proof of this claim.

I mean, I'd love to see how you are going to spin Kobe's most attempted, most missed, and yet #4 in made shots in NBA in game winners

Ok 1 at a time. I will prove to you that BOTH John Schuman and 82games are full of shit.

John Schuman.... Does he say Manu Ginobili is clutch or not?

http://badpussy.org/uploads/files/c7xnasawrznzn9fz8e1y.jpg
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/11/05/clutch.numbersgame/index.html

[MiamiHeat]

Don't ask me questions.

I am reading and waiting for your proof. Cut the bullshit games and prove it.

[Allanon]

Don't ask me questions.

I am reading and waiting for your proof. Cut the bullshit games and prove it.

:lol I knew it.

You can't even answer questions about stats that YOU post.

These are bullshit stats that you can't even explain. How can these stats prove anything when nobody can explain them?

What good are these meaningless "facts/stats".

[MiamiHeat]

Still no proof

You = full of hot air.

No statistics to back up your boy Kobe Bryant.


Sad

[Allanon]

Still no proof

You = full of hot air.

No statistics to back up your boy Kobe Bryant.


Sad

I already posted my stats...you responded to them or else you and I never would have gotten into this argument.

Bird 36
Kobe ~30
Jordan 25
LeBron 17

I can fully explain my stats; ask away and I'll explain my stats. Please ask me about my stats and I will answer any questions. PLEASE, ask me about the stats, I am fully happy to answer. Please, please.

Yet YOU post stats and will not answer any questions about them. That is very weak.

[Allanon]

Right here is where I posted my stats and you responded and I answered.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4013148&postcount=249

I always leave your anti-Kobe posts alone because they're entertaining.

But if you are going out of your way to question me, I will question you.

[MiamiHeat]

I already posted my stats...you responded to them or else you and I never would have gotten into this argument.

Bird 36
Kobe ~30
Jordan 25
LeBron 17

I can fully explain my stats; ask away and I'll explain my stats. Please ask me about my stats and I will answer any questions. PLEASE, ask me about the stats, I am fully happy to answer. Please, please.

Yet YOU post stats and will not answer any questions about them. That is very weak.

Kobe has missed the most out of anyone on that list, and by a large amount.

So kobe's 30 is just volume shooting.

[Allanon]

Kobe has missed the most out of anyone on that list, and by a large amount.

So kobe's 30 is just volume shooting.

Again I ask you. Is clutch about winning?

Kobe has hit the most so he's winning games.

Super "efficient clutch" LeBron has lost 4 clutch/close games this year even though he's been very efficient in the clutch.

So losing games while being "efficiently clutch" like LeBron is better than winning games in-efficiently by Kobe?

[MiamiHeat]

That points to team superiority.

if LeBron has better 4th quarter clutch time stats, and yet loses some of those games even though he did good, but kobe has worse stats and wins

that means the Lakers as a TEAM are better than the Cavaliers team. LeBron isn't getting the help Kobe is.

For all the crap you give Derek Fisher, how many times does that midget nail a 3 to win a game? All the damn time.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Here's my view:

With 10 seconds left down by 2, gimme Lebron so he can get to the rim.
With 2 seconds left down by 2/3, gimme Kobe since he knows how to make clutch jump shots.

[Allanon]

That points to team superiority.

if LeBron has better 4th quarter clutch time stats, and yet loses some of those games even though he did good, but kobe has worse stats and wins

that means the Lakers as a TEAM are better than the Cavaliers team. LeBron isn't getting the help Kobe is.

For all the crap you give Derek Fisher, how many times does that midget nail a 3 to win a game? All the damn time.

This isn't team superiority. This is directly the player themselves.

Kobe himself has hit 4 game winning shots this year. That's all about Kobe.

LeBron has hit 1 and missed 3 game winning shots. That is all LeBron. He was super-efficient up to that point.

So losing while being efficient is better than actually winning?

Kobe won 4 games, super-efficient LeBron himself lost 4 games off his own missed shot.

[MiamiHeat]

That's THIS SEASON

In the last 5 years though, LeBron > Kobe in game winning shots.

[Allanon]

That's THIS SEASON

In the last 5 years though, LeBron > Kobe in game winning shots.

So you are saying Kobe is the most clutch player in the NBA THIS SEASON?

[MiamiHeat]

I haven't seen all of the stats for this year to make a judgement. Just because you say "Lebron made 1 and missed 3" doesn't mean it's canon. I bet it's not even correct, but again, I don't have the stats.

Show me proof

What I have seen is the past 5 years stats, and those point to LeBron, Melo, etc.. being better.

[Allanon]

That's THIS SEASON



So you are saying Kobe is the most clutch player in the NBA THIS SEASON?


I haven't seen all of the stats for this year to make a judgement.

What I have seen is the past 5 years stats, and those point to LeBron, Melo, etc.. being better.

:lol Gaught you.

[MiamiHeat]

LeBron has hit 1 and missed 3 game winning shots.

Show me where you got this.

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe himself has hit 4 game winning shots this year.

How many has he attempted in total this year?

[MiamiHeat]

There could be another player who has more game winners with a better efficiency than Bryant, so why would I declare Bryant 'the most clutch this season' if I haven't seen all the stats?

Allanon, if you are going to play kid games.... you make yourself look bad

[Allanon]

Show me where you got this.

versus Chicago:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2009110505
This was that one where he tried to get a foul instead of trying to make the shot

versus the Grizzlies:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2009120829
LeBron James(notes), who had 43 points along with 13 rebounds—both season highs— still had a chance to win the game in the final seconds, but his 30-footer over Rudy Gay(notes) hit the front of the rim, snapping the Cavaliers’ 4-game winning streak.

versus the Nuggets
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2010010807
LeBron scored like mega points in the 3th quarter but missed the go-ahead 3 pointer.

BONUS LOSS
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2010011426
versus the Jazz
LeBron didn't actually miss this one. He inbounded the ball because he was afraid to make FT's. Eventually led to that Gaines fellow hitting the 3 point shot. Kobe would have been shooting those free throws.

[Allanon]

How many has he attempted in total this year?

4. Kobe is 100% on game-winners this year :lol

The Lakers are un-defeated in close games and OT games this year.

The Cavs have lost like 5 close games and won 2 of them.

[Allanon]

There could be another player who has more game winners with a better efficiency than Bryant, so why would I declare Bryant 'the most clutch this season' if I haven't seen all the stats?

Allanon, if you are going to play kid games.... you make yourself look bad

You said it yourself accidentally that Kobe's the best this season and now you're trying to back out.


That's THIS SEASON



So you are saying Kobe is the most clutch player in the NBA THIS SEASON?


I haven't seen all of the stats for this year to make a judgement.

:lol Caught you.

[MiamiHeat]

You said it yourself accidentally that Kobe's the best this season and now you're trying to back out.


:downspin: Crazy laker fan. I said no such thing

Kobe is overrated, and you have no facts to post.

[Allanon]

you have no facts to post.

4 undisputeable and explainable facts.

1. Kobe is 100% on Game winners this year. 4 of 4. But he is in-efficient the minutes before winning the game.

2. In-efficient Kobe is un-defeated in close games and OT games this year.

3. Efficient LeBron is like 2 and 5 in close games this year. Efficient LeBron is 1 of 4 in game winners this year but he's great before that pumping up his 82 games "clutchness" but in losing games.

4. All time

Bird 36
Kobe ~30
Jordan 25
LeBron 17

[21_Blessings]

4 facts: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt:

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its funny how insecure lakerfans keep bringing up lebron

[Allanon]

its funny how insecure lakerfans keep bringing up lebron

LeBron is brought in by the other fans first...not Lakerfans.

First time in this thread, page #3....LeBron in a Kobe thread and not by a Lakerfan.

So if the haters must bring in LeBron, the Lakerfan must respond with LeBron.

Cause and effect...you know this.

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LeBron is brought in by the other fans first...not Lakerfans.

First time in this thread, page #3....LeBron in a Kobe thread and not by a Lakerfan.

So if the haters must bring in LeBron, the Lakerfan must respond with LeBron.

Cause and effect...you know this.

you fucking moron. brhornet brought up lebrons name in a completely different manner, not trying to compare whos better. if you wanna talk about his name PERIOD in this thread, 21_dicksinmymouth said his name first on page 2.


lebron missed 7 games with a sprained finger.

THAT was the first post where any lebron/kobe comparison came into play, and no suprise, it was by a lakerfan. page 4. do your research, fucktard

[Allanon]

you fucking moron. brhornet brought up lebrons name in a completely different manner, not trying to compare whos better.

Does it fucking matter you piece of shit?

Bringing up LeBron in a Kobe thread is like opening Pandora's box...you can never close that shit down once it's opened.

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Does it fucking matter you piece of shit?

Bringing up LeBron in a Kobe thread is like opening Pandora's box...you can never close that shit down once it's opened.

all i said was that insecure lakerfans always tend to bring his name up for no reason. and that was the case in this thread, as usual.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Does it fucking matter you piece of shit?

Bringing up LeBron in a Kobe thread is like opening Pandora's box...you can never close that shit down once it's opened.


Yeah, I was hoping the official Kobe thread would solve the problem of the NBA forum becoming the Kobe forum, but people who hate Kobe to be an attention whore now make Lebron/Jordan threads knowing they'll turn into Kobe threads. The Lakers fans are the ones actually keeping the Kobe talk in this thread.

[Allanon]

all i said was that insecure lakerfans always tend to bring his name up for no reason. and that was the case in this thread, as usual.

For no reason? :lol

Lakerfan was responding to "BEHOLD THE KING".

Which King do you think that is?



"In the Laker world a Dislocated shoulder = Sprained finger."

You don't think a jab back at "The King" is appropriate?

[ChrisRichards]

MiamiHeat owned himself in this thread. Next time if you're going to troll at least present some facts otherwise STFU. You're making Kobe criticizers look bad and Kobe fanboys/homers look good by not presenting a better argument you dumb POS, your mom should've swallowed you the night she had sex with some random guy.



Anyway, Allanon, those posts that you made are still up for debate. What i do know is Kobe (prior to this season) was averaging a low 25% on GW situations. That's aweful. Right now, I do know that when the game is on the line, Kobe IMO is not the best closer. Lebron, Melo and Wade for me are better closers.

[21_Blessings]

you fucking moron. brhornet brought up lebrons name in a completely different manner, not trying to compare whos better. if you wanna talk about his name PERIOD in this thread, 21_dicksinmymouth said his name first on page 2.

THAT was the first post where any lebron/kobe comparison came into play, and no suprise, it was by a lakerfan. page 4. do your research, fucktard

Look at this little bitch acting insecure in the shadow of Kobe's Greatness.

[Donkeybong]

i don't think the numbers are fair though. First of all, PJ sucks at running set plays out of time outs, which causes kobe to chuck impossible shots (and sometimes make them). Second of all, a lot of the times his team mates like to just give it to kobe to try to bail them out and just sit there and ball watch.

[MiamiHeat]

i don't think the numbers are fair though. First of all, PJ sucks at running set plays out of time outs, which causes kobe to chuck impossible shots (and sometimes make them). Second of all, a lot of the times his team mates like to just give it to kobe to try to bail them out and just sit there and ball watch.

Worked just fine for some dude named Michael Jordan

He had no problem with Phil Jackson and making some of the greatest NBA moments ever.

[Donkeybong]

Worked just fine for some dude named Michael Jordan

He had no problem with Phil Jackson and making some of the greatest NBA moments ever.

Do you know what shooting % of game winners he hit?

[stretch]

For no reason? :lol

Lakerfan was responding to "BEHOLD THE KING".

Which King do you think that is?



You don't think a jab back at "The King" is appropriate?

no because he never remotely referenced lebron in his post. his name doesnt instantly mean that he references lebron in every post.

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Look at this little bitch acting insecure in the shadow of Kobe's Greatness.

no insecurities at all. in fact im a big kobe fan, and have given him nothing but praise in this thread.

[Smooth Criminal]

How many has he attempted in total this year?

4 I think. Maybe 5. I'll take 80% if so

[Allanon]

no because he never remotely referenced lebron in his post. his name doesnt instantly mean that he references lebron in every post.

He doesn't have to mention LeBron because he's from LeBron's fanbase.

It's like Laker fan saying Duncan sucks. First thing Spurfan says is "Kobe is a rapist"

Or Mavfan says "Spurs suck". Immediately, you hear "4 rings faggot".

You know this.

[KidCongo]

no because he never remotely referenced lebron in his post. his name doesnt instantly mean that he references lebron in every post.

100% correct.

[KidCongo]

He doesn't have to mention LeBron because he's from LeBron's fanbase.

It's like Laker fan saying Duncan sucks. First thing Spurfan says is "Kobe is a rapist"

Or Mavfan says "Spurs suck". Immediately, you hear "4 rings faggot".

You know this.

21_backdoorsweeps posted a paul pierce picture responding to me and thats like the Cavs biggest opposition.

[Allanon]

21_backdoorsweeps posted a paul pierce picture responding to me and thats like the Cavs biggest opposition.

There are alot of ways to respond. Lakerfan don't all respond and think alike.

It's like Mavfan starting a CROFL Spurs thread:

Spurfan brings up "4 rings faggot" or they can go with "Warrirors, 1st round" or empty trophy cases, or etc, etc.

Anytime you, as a Cavfan, criticizes Kobe, this opens the door to criticize LeBron. If you criticize the Lakers, I can criticize the Cavs.

This is the natural order of things.

[Scola]

WTF, why is this thread pinned?
To keep all the Kobe/Laker trolls in one place?

[cobbler]

WTF, why is this thread pinned?
To keep all the Kobe/Laker trolls in one place?

So many Kobe haters/obsessors creating thread after thread of nonsense.

[rhyputa]

The Lakers are 11.8 points per 100 possessions better than their opponents when Kobe is in the game and 8.8 points per 100 possessions worse than their opponents when he sits. Meanwhile, the Cavs are 9.5 points better than their opponents when LeBron plays and only 5.7 points worse than their opponents when LeBron sits. Some of that has to do with the Cavs’ unorthodox strategy of making one of their worst five-man units their starting lineup, but in any case it’s a point in Kobe’s favor.

Anyone see this?
I heard that Kobe's poison to his team, he'd be exposed if he left the team :rolleyes

[stretch]

He doesn't have to mention LeBron because he's from LeBron's fanbase.

It's like Laker fan saying Duncan sucks. First thing Spurfan says is "Kobe is a rapist"

Or Mavfan says "Spurs suck". Immediately, you hear "4 rings faggot".

You know this.

yeah thats what often happens

doesnt mean that any of those are logical ways to respond, because all of those responses are lame as fuck, just like its lame as fuck for a laker fan to diss lebron just because a cavs fan pointed out something that he feels may be a weakness of kobe (without ever comparing him to lebron)

[stretch]

Anytime you, as a Cavfan, criticizes Kobe, this opens the door to criticize LeBron. If you criticize the Lakers, I can criticize the Cavs.

This is the natural order of things.

lame

[Allanon]

lame

Truth > Hypocrisy

[Scola]

http://22.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kuvf7xOHuQ1qzo7vfo1_400.png

[ChrisRichards]

In before HarlemHeat,MiamiHeat,Chrisrichards goes "I have one for kobe" he should read "how to get away with raping white women".
Well get this.


Phil Jackson gave Kome "Montana, 1948" per Jeannie buss on her twitter.


I did a search on wiki and this came up



Montana, 1948

Plot
When David's family's Native American (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States) housekeeper Marie falls ill, Frank Hayden, the local doctor and David's uncle, is called. When Marie refuses medical treatment, David's parents, Wes, the local sheriff, and Gail discover that Frank has been preying on the local native American women, raping (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Raping) and molesting (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Molest) them. Wes confronts Frank at a dinner at their father's house. Wes and Gail reach a compromise. When Marie is found dead, Frank convinces the family it is pneumonia (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Pneumonia) which has killed her. Not until later that day does David admit to his parents that he saw his uncle exit their house at approximately the time of Marie's death. Wes goes to work investigating this and eventually arrests his own brother and holds him captive in the Haydens' basement to avoid the embarrassment Frank would experience by going to the local jail. Eventually this all gets too much for Gail and she wishes for Frank to be released out of her home. When Wes talks to his brother, Frank doesn't deny killing Marie and molesting numerous other Indian women. Wes' moral values override his family loyalty and he is obliged to take his brother to be locked up in the local jail the next day. Later that night the family wake to the sound of jars smashing in the basement. In the morning Wes finds that Frank has committed suicide by slitting his wrists with the glass. The family's problems are essentially solved, letting the rest of the town believe Frank died by accident. Soon after, the family moves out of Montana, as the secrets they kept become too much to bear.
[edit (http://spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=Montana_1948&action=edit&section=2)] References

Montana 1948 is referenced in the song "Make Way" by Birdman featuring Fat Joe and Lil Wayne in the line "We gotta party everyday like Frank came home."





I mean WOW...:wow . Phil is giving Kobe a book about a character that involves raping and molesting women!!!


This is Jeannie's twitter for proof

http://twitter.com/jeaniebuss


:rollin

[duncan228]

Kobe Bryant takes a pass on slam dunk contest (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-slamdunkcontest&prov=ap&type=lgns)
By Tom Withers

Kobe Bryant is taking a pass on the slam dunk contest, no matter what Shaquille O’Neal has in mind.

Bryant nearly burst out laughing Thursday when asked about O’Neal’s idea that the Lakers superstar should appear in next month’s All-Star weekend dunk event with LeBron James and Vince Carter.

O’Neal suggested the star-studded field as a way of luring James, who is skipping the dunkathon after initially saying he was in.

Bryant won the dunking crown when he was a rookie. He says players should not feel a responsibility toward entering the contest as a way of giving back to the league. James has been criticized for backing out. Bryant would like to see the MVP take part.

“Responsibility? No,” Bryant said following the Lakers’ shootaround. “People want to see it, so it’s good to do it at least one time in your career. It’s fun.”

The contest is Feb. 13 in Dallas, and Bryant has been giving tips to Los Angeles teammate Shannon Brown. Does Bryant think James would win?

“I think he would come in a close second behind Shannon Brown,” he said.

[21_Blessings]

“I think he would come in a close second behind Shannon Brown,” he said.

:bking

[mystargtr34]

Well get this.


Phil Jackson gave Kome "Montana, 1948" per Jeannie buss on her twitter.


I did a search on wiki and this came up



Montana, 1948

Plot
When David's family's Native American (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States) housekeeper Marie falls ill, Frank Hayden, the local doctor and David's uncle, is called. When Marie refuses medical treatment, David's parents, Wes, the local sheriff, and Gail discover that Frank has been preying on the local native American women, raping (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Raping) and molesting (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Molest) them. Wes confronts Frank at a dinner at their father's house. Wes and Gail reach a compromise. When Marie is found dead, Frank convinces the family it is pneumonia (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Pneumonia) which has killed her. Not until later that day does David admit to his parents that he saw his uncle exit their house at approximately the time of Marie's death. Wes goes to work investigating this and eventually arrests his own brother and holds him captive in the Haydens' basement to avoid the embarrassment Frank would experience by going to the local jail. Eventually this all gets too much for Gail and she wishes for Frank to be released out of her home. When Wes talks to his brother, Frank doesn't deny killing Marie and molesting numerous other Indian women. Wes' moral values override his family loyalty and he is obliged to take his brother to be locked up in the local jail the next day. Later that night the family wake to the sound of jars smashing in the basement. In the morning Wes finds that Frank has committed suicide by slitting his wrists with the glass. The family's problems are essentially solved, letting the rest of the town believe Frank died by accident. Soon after, the family moves out of Montana, as the secrets they kept become too much to bear.
[edit (http://spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=Montana_1948&action=edit&section=2)] References

Montana 1948 is referenced in the song "Make Way" by Birdman featuring Fat Joe and Lil Wayne in the line "We gotta party everyday like Frank came home."





I mean WOW...:wow . Phil is giving Kobe a book about a character that involves raping and molesting women!!!


This is Jeannie's twitter for proof

http://twitter.com/jeaniebuss


:rollin

:lmao not a fan of the rape smack. But this is too hard not to laugh at.

[duncan228]

Cavs, teammates put Kobe in grumpy mood (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-kobelebronw012210&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

They are pals only in sneaker commercial puppet ads, so Kobe Bryant had no use for one of those congratulatory star-to-star half-hug mid-court meetings. The game was over, he was gone. As LeBron James preened to a screaming, celebratory sellout, Bryant turned his back, marched through the tunnel seething, scowling and promising hell to pay for the Los Angeles Lakers. These were old times for Bryant: Angry, sullen and promising pure misery.

”They know I’m pissed off,” Bryant sniffed in the losing locker room. ”I don’t need to say anything right now.”

Only Bryant did, and he will again and again. Bryant is never happier than when he’s miserable, than when he has a boogeyman threatening the championship fabric of this burgeoning dynasty.

All around him, Bryant has reasons to be livid Thursday night: Pau Gasol missed two free throws in the final seconds. The frontline had been outmuscled everywhere. James toyed with Ron Artest for his 37 points, owning this night on a yo-yo. Phil Jackson left Bryant on the bench for all but five minutes of the fourth quarter, the coach refusing to treat these Cavs as anything more than another back-to-back when Bryant’s body needed to be protected for the long run.

All angered Bryant, and all promises to make for a most unpleasant Kobe over the next seven games of this trip.

Nevertheless, he should’ve delivered some self-loathe for his part in a 93-87 loss to the Cavaliers. He tried too hard Thursday night – needing 31 shots for his 31 points. No, Bryant didn’t want to lose that season series to the Cavaliers, but there was something bigger happening here and assuredly it wasn’t lost on Kobe Bryant. However flimsy the possibility, Bryant lost his chance to be the MVP again.

When everyone dissects these two candidacies come April, it will keep coming back to this: LeBron swept the Lakers and Kobe, beat them in Staples Center on Christmas and again with Mo Williams out for a month with a shoulder injury. Once more, James will be praised for doing more with less, and Bryant will be partially penalized in the MVP voting for something that Magic Johnson and Larry Bird never were in the 1980s: Playing with too much talent.

With LeBron’s second straight MVP close to secured, Bryant must return his mind to what’s still most available to him: Another NBA Finals MVP.

Nevertheless, the Lakers had no excuse for letting this one slip away and there were so many reasons, so many levels, that this enraged Bryant. There’s James, whom Bryant doesn’t believe has passed him as the game’s best player. There’s Shaquille O’Neal, whom Bryant doesn’t want to see beat him to a fifth NBA title. Beyond the extraordinary greatness of James, the Cavs’ toughness and tenacity are troublesome for the Lakers.

Anderson Varejao gets every loose ball and rebound, and Shaq allows the Cavs to defend the Andrew Bynums and Dwight Howards of the league without double teams. The Lakers’ title defense has been nice and easy so far, lots of home games, but now losing against to the Cavs delivers Bryant a theme of complacency to hold over them. The physicality of Cleveland and Boston still frightens him. Truth be told, Artest has done little to change the finesse culture of these Lakers.

”The mentality has to change,” Bryant said. ”These are physical, tough-minded and hard-nosed teams types of teams and we have to make some decisions … That’s not part of our DNA.”

Bryant played a familiar old card when asked about the solution for the complacency that he believes contributed to this combustion. ”I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them.”

Translated: He’s going to be a bastard again. He talked of tough physical practice, of a vigilance that a defending champ must keep with all comers. Once, Bryant could drive these Lakers hard because he believed they were soft, accommodating and too reliant on talent over tenacity.

”Last year, we were probably a little hungrier and played a little harder,” Bryant grumbled. ”This year, they were the hungrier team. They want to win a championship and want to go after it, so they’re playing with a sense of urgency that we played with last year. … Denver steamrolled us with their physical play. Cleveland on Christmas Day … ”

He wanted to keep going, and assuredly he would with his teammates on the way to New York. Jackson had dismissed the Cavaliers as legitimate rivals, even refused to treat this game as vital with his decision to keep Bryant out longer in the fourth than the Cavaliers did with James. When James hit a three-pointer with five and a half minutes left to push the Cavs out, 83-80, you could see Bryant barking down the bench to Jackson. The coach ignored him, and waited until they had lost the lead for good.

For Jackson, the Cavaliers have won nothing to ever be considered a peer. Yet, there’s a different dynamic for Bryant. He scored his 25,000th career point on Thursday night, earned his 12th career All-Star game and still LeBron James keeps coming and coming for him. He took the MVP a year ago, and more and more people insist that he’s become the greatest player in the game. Yet Bryant still has those four championships, has Michael Jordan’s six within his sights and maybe now LeBron James threatens to come for that too.

”The championship still goes through L.A.,” James said. ”It doesn’t matter if you beat them four times, you still have to beat them in the Finals to take that trophy away from them.”

No one understands that the way that Kobe Bryant does, and perhaps that spoke to so much of his seething on Thursday night.

Outside the locker room late Thursday, Kobe Bryant leaned against a wall and chatted with some friends. They were replaying the game again, where it had been lost and finally Bryant breathed out, shrugged and insisted the only truth that could hang over a late January night: ”Well, we’ll see in June.”

[Donkeybong]

good read

[Allanon]

”The mentality has to change,” Bryant said. ”These are physical, tough-minded and hard-nosed teams types of teams and we have to make some decisions … That’s not part of our DNA.”

Bryant played a familiar old card when asked about the solution for the complacency that he believes contributed to this combustion. ”I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them.”

”Well, we’ll see in June.”

Great stuff from this article.

Kobe needs to slap Pau around a bit and drag Bynum away from hanging at the Playboy mansion.

This is the wrong time of the year to go soft, boys.

[DAF86]

8/24 against the Knicks, Do you guys think Kobe will regain his form at some point this season? He's been in a slump for quite some time now.

[MiamiHeat]

8/24 against the Knicks, Do you guys think Kobe will regain his form at some point this season? He's been in a slump for quite some time now.

Kobe is a career 45% FG shooter.

45% of 24 shots = 10.8

So basically 11/24 instead of 8/24

3 shot difference isn't much of a slump. He's always been on the borderline of "chucker", 45% wasn't great, but wasn't terrible either.

3 little shots put him into 'disaster chucker' slump.

[DAF86]

Kobe is a career 45% FG shooter.

45% of 24 shots = 10.8

So basically 11/24 instead of 8/24

3 shot difference isn't much of a slump. He's always been on the borderline of "chucker", 45% wasn't great, but wasn't terrible either.

3 little shots put him into 'disaster chucker' slump.

45% for a SG is OK, but 8/24 is 33%, that's horrible for any position and it is a big difference compared to 45%.

[Allanon]

8/24 against the Knicks, Do you guys think Kobe will regain his form at some point this season? He's been in a slump for quite some time now.

The finger will eventually heal. I'd give it another month of shitty shooting.

Kobe shot terribly when he broke his pinky as well but eventually recovered to get #4.

Once he can remove the splint, I think he'll recover in time to get #5.

[21_Blessings]

45% for a SG is OK, but 8/24 is 33%, that's horrible for any position and it is a big difference compared to 45%.

25-17 is terrible record for a team with Duncan, Parker, Dick, Manu. Enjoy your first round exit.

[DAF86]

25-17 is terrible record for a team with Duncan, Parker, Dick, Manu. Enjoy your first round exit.

I think you missplaced your comment, this is the "Official All Kobe, All The Time Thread", we discuss Kobe in here.

[21_Blessings]

I think you missplaced your comment, this is the "Official All Kobe, All The Time Thread", we discuss Kobe in here.

When the Spurs inevitable ass-pounding in the Western Conference playoffs comes around Kobe will be steamrolling his way to numba 5.

Must suck to be irrelevant. That's exactly what the San Antonio Spurs are. Irrelevant. :toast

[DAF86]

When the Spurs inevitable ass-pounding in the Western Conference playoffs comes around Kobe will be steamrolling his way to numba 5.

Must suck to be irrelevant. That's exactly what the San Antonio Spurs are. Irrelevant. :toast

If they are so irrelevant then why you talk about them so damn much?

[ChrisRichards]

45% for a SG is OK, but 8/24 is 33%, that's horrible for any position and it is a big difference compared to 45%.
Agree. 45% is not bad considering Kobe is a volume shooter.


We'll see how it goes. I have'nt seen Kobe this bad. Normally law of averages would even it out. But this has been Kobe's worst shooting slump.


If his injury does not get better, I think he'll probably end up at 43% at the end of the season.

[himat]

Kobe NEEDS to sit and heal his hand. I say he plays it out until All Star weekend. If the hand doesn't heal during the break he should rest so that he is ready for the playoffs.

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe NEEDS to sit and heal his hand. I say he plays it out until All Star weekend. If the hand doesn't heal during the break he should rest so that he is ready for the playoffs.

I would love for that to happen.

I want to see Bynum, Gasol, and Odom break out and have great games and put the Lakers on a nice winning streak.

Perhaps Kobe refusing to sit is because he is scared he will be exposed that the Lakers don't need him to be good. With Kobe, they are better, but ....

[rhyputa]

Bynum, Gasol, and Odom
SoftBig3, 1st round exit at best.

i don't think they can make the 1st round unless LA is in the east. They'll have to beat teams like spurs, suns, grizz for the 8th spot in the west, just impossible

[Unholy Turkey]

http://www.slamdumb.com/images/article/a125_3.jpg

From Slam Dumb

Just pointing out, maybe the NBA doesn't have a love affair for Kobe after all. :lol

[BRHornet45]

hopefully someone takes this piece of shit out (on the floor) ... come on Kenyon Martin or James Posey.. end his career.

[himat]

I would love for that to happen.

I want to see Bynum, Gasol, and Odom break out and have great games and put the Lakers on a nice winning streak.

Perhaps Kobe refusing to sit is because he is scared he will be exposed that the Lakers don't need him to be good. With Kobe, they are better, but ....

From your posts you seem like you want the Lakers to lose badly. If you want that to happen then the best chance of that happening is when Kobe keeps playing, instead of healing up.

[pauls931]

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/1639/original/Its_Peanut_Butter_Jelly_Time.jpg

[Double-Up]

...and over the past month or so his FG% is slipping, now it's at .458. By the end of the year I expect it to be around .41 or so because he's a chucker and is also averaging lows in assist. All the weapons on his team and he still wants to be nothing more than a volume shooter.

[Allanon]

...and over the past month or so his FG% is slipping, now it's at .458.

3 fingered Kobe is still at 46%?

Imagine what 4 finger Kobe can do.

Amazing.

[lefty]

3 fingered Kobe is still at 46%?

Imagine what 4 finger Kobe can do.

Amazing.
Kobe can shoot man

[Double-Up]

3 fingered Kobe is still at 46%?

Imagine what 4 finger Kobe can do.

Amazing.

Too bad he still hasn't realized he has offense options all around him but he'd rather get that scoring title I guess.

[lefty]

Too bad he still hasn't realized he has offense options all around him but he'd rather get that scoring title I guess.
If I were Kobe, I wouldnt pass the ball to Farmar or Walton in late game situations

[DAF86]

3 fingered Kobe is still at 46%?

Imagine what 4 finger Kobe can do.

Amazing.

3 fingered Kobe takes 30 shots per game?

Imagine if he were an efficient scorer.

Amazing.

[Allanon]

Too bad he still hasn't realized he has offense options all around him but he'd rather get that scoring title I guess.

Kobe shooting at 46% is still better than most shooting guards.

If he were shooting in the 30's, he should pass the ball.

[Allanon]

3 fingered Kobe takes 30 shots per game?

Imagine if he were an efficient scorer.

Amazing.

Kobe is at 46% shooting, that's more efficient than most 5 fingered shooting guards.

Amazing.

[Double-Up]

Kobe is at 46% shooting, that's more efficient than most 5 fingered shooting guards.

Amazing.

Of all guards he's #18 right now out of 44 and like I said at his current rate he'll be around 30 or so by season's end and that's being generous.

[mystargtr34]

3 fingered Kobe is still at 46%?

Imagine what 4 finger Kobe can do.

Amazing.

About 45% :lol

[DAF86]

Kobe shooting at 46% is still better than most shooting guards.

If he were shooting in the 30's, he should pass the ball.

On January he's averaging 39% from the field and yet he's taking more than 22 shots per game this month. What's your excuse for this?

[Allanon]

Of all guards he's #18 right now out of 44 and like I said at his current rate he'll be around 30 or so by season's end and that's being generous.

Kobe has never led guards like Nash and CP3 in scoring percentage even in his MVP year.

#18 on 3 fingers and leading all guards in scoring is actually quite good.

[Allanon]

On January he's averaging 39% from the field and yet he's taking more than 22 shots per game this month.

Kobe shooting 20-22 shots a game is fine. Injured or not, he has to be the first option.

It's those 30 shots per game which is not good and should be criticized for.

[Indazone]

This thread has Troll written all over it. Let the games begin!

[Chieflion]

19,147 (Don't think it is updated yet), closing in on 20,000 on field goal attempts. What a career milestone it would be for Kobe Bryant.

[DAF86]

Kobe has never led guards like Nash and CP3 in scoring percentage even in his MVP year.

#18 on 3 fingers and leading all guards in scoring is actually quite good.

Kobe averages 1.5 more points than Wade in 2.2 more shots attempts, so no it's actually not that good.

[mystargtr34]

19,147 (Don't think it is updated yet), closing in on 20,000 on field goal attempts. What a career milestone it would be for Kobe Bryant.

You should post the list.

[Allanon]

Kobe averages 1.5 more points than Wade in 2.2 more shots attempts, so no it's actually not that good.

Efficiency means nothing when your team is losing games.

Wade's efficiency has brought 23-20.

I'll take Kobe's 46% and a 33-11 record.

[Chieflion]

You should post the list.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fga_career.html -Look under the 2nd column. Kobe should be at least number 13 or 12 after this season. And look, he passed Shaq just this season. And Shaq has been in the league about 3 years longer than Bryant.

On the other hand, Tim Duncan is number 47 tied with Bernard King with 15,109 shots attempted, surapassing the 15,000 milestone this season. The next game he takes a shot, he would surpass him for 46 on the list. I must also congratulate Dirk for being so freaking good, he is 57 on the list, with 14,836 shots attempted.

All top 20 field goals attempted players who are eligible for the Hall of Fame are in the Hall of Fame. Karl Malone is eligible for this class of 2010 so you will see him up there.

[DAF86]

Efficiency means nothing when your team is losing games.

Wade's efficiency has brought 23-20.

I'll take Kobe's 46% and a 33-11 record.

That's such a stupid argument that I won't even respond it.

[Allanon]

That's such a stupid argument that I won't even respond it.

:lol

[ffadicted]

That's such a stupid argument that I won't even respond it.

I agree with this lol

[Allanon]

Inefficient Wins > Efficient losses

[mystargtr34]

Lol

[ffadicted]

Inefficient Wins > Efficient losses

Yeah but if Kobe was much more efficient then the lakers would in turn be a better team, no? Or at the very least get more wins

More wins > Less wins

[Allanon]

Yeah but if Kobe was much more efficient then the lakers would in turn be a better team, no? Or at the very least get more wins

More wins > Less wins

Every player can improve and that includes Kobe.

At the same time, you can't really fault a shooting guard at 46% with a 33-11 record. 46% shooting isn't even '"lol"able :lol

3 fingered Kobe shooting 46% is more commendable than laughable.

I can understand the criticism if he's shooting 30% and the Lakers are last in the NBA, but Kobe's very far from that.

[rhyputa]

Kobe grabbed a career high 16 rebounds :wow

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

3 fingered Kobe


LA028dlUVwQ


Are you trolling when you say shit like this?

[Allanon]

Are you trolling when you say shit like this?

There are lots of made up conspiracy/fake theories out there.

You think that dude is a doctor? Or is he some loser dude at home who has too much time and hates Kobe?

Would you believe me if I made up a video saying Greg Oden's kneecap ain't really broken? :lol

I even saw a Youtube video that showed that the FBI was actually the one who ran two planes into the World Trade Center.

Should we believe some random internet loser about that too?

Haters would rather believe the Lakers are making up medical reports rather than think Kobe is great enough to play with broken fingers. Next Youtube "truth" video will say that big-ass splint is just a television trick that Stern had the broadcasters draw up to fool people into thinking Kobe's a "warrior". :lol


"It is broken. I have a break in two places. It is not going to go anywhere if I sit out."

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=4855546

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There are lots of made up conspiracy/fake theories out there.

You think that dude is a doctor? Or is he some loser dude at home who has too much time and hates Kobe?

Would you believe me if I made up a video saying Greg Oden's kneecap ain't really broken? :lol

I even saw a Youtube video that showed that the FBI was actually the one who ran two planes into the World Trade Center.

Should we believe some random internet loser about that too?

Haters would rather believe the Lakers are making up medical reports rather than think Kobe is great enough to play with broken fingers. Next Youtube "truth" video will say that big-ass splint is just a television trick that Stern had the broadcasters draw up to fool people into thinking Kobe's a "warrior". :lol


Good job comparing a broken knee cap to a jammed finger :tu, have you noticed he doesn't have any tape on that pinkie anymore, it's safe to say that finger isn't giving him any problems.

[Allanon]

Good job comparing a broken knee cap to a jammed finger :tu, have you noticed he doesn't have any tape on that pinkie anymore, it's safe to say that finger isn't giving him any problems.

Hey, I'm not the one believing some random internet dude's video. The guy has no credibility as a doctor or even a nurse...

All I know about him is that he's some dude named "mustseebbtv"

For all I know, it could have been you who made the video. Maybe tlong had some spare time to youtube it? :lol

The Lakers, Doctors, media and Kobe have all stated the finger is broken. Yet people continue posting that bullshit video like it's some great truth revealed by a doctor when it's probably some fat dude sitting at home in his boxers pasting together Kobe hate vids.

[Allanon]

Did you know the Apollo Lunar landing was really a hoax?

I have proof!!! :lol

g7HR-GhkHd4

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hey, I'm not the one believing some random internet dude's video. The guy has no credibility as a doctor or even a nurse..

Neither does anyone who says Dwight Howard was garbage until he turned 24.

[Allanon]

The USA never caught Saddam Hussein.

I have proof! Is lies!

VVHrsQ8abIg

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Lakers, Doctors, media and Kobe have all stated the finger is broken.


Technically it is broken. It's just a completely overblown injury. His injury obviously isn't affecting him too much if he's shooting 46% when his career shooting % is 45.5%.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Ben Gordon is 3 inches taller than Delonte West


Got it. Was Dwight Howard also not good until he turned 24?

[Allanon]

Technically it is broken. It's just a completely overblown injury. His injury obviously isn't affecting him too much if he's shooting 46% when his career shooting % is 45.5%.

Of course it's overblown, this is Kobe we are talking about.

Everything about Kobe is over-blown, over-hyped, made up or just untrue. We all know this.

81 points? Easy, anybody could have done it.
4 NBA titles? Nah, Stern gave them to him.
Not guilty of Rape? Nah, he's guilty because he just can't be innocent...he's Kobe

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Of course it's overblown, this is Kobe we are talking about.

Everything about Kobe is over-blown, over-hyped, made up or just untrue. We all know this.

81 points? Easy, anybody could have done it.
4 NBA titles? Nah, Stern gave them to him.
Not guilty of Rape? Nah, he's guilty because he just can't be innocent...he's Kobe


Is this how you felt when you were a Spurs fan?

[Allanon]

Is this how you felt when you were a Spurs fan?

Of course. This has always been true. Everybody knows this.

Kobe is always wrong. Kobe never won anything.

Kobe shooting 46% is so terrible he should just retire. Kobe's faking his broken finger.

That splint on Kobe's finger is just a television trick like how they draw the 1st down line in the NFL.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kobe shooting 46% is so terrible he should just retire.


Where did I say that?

[Allanon]

Where did I say that?

What are you talking about?

It's ME that said it, not you, look at the post above :



Kobe shooting 46% is so terrible he should just retire.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

That splint on Kobe's finger is just a television trick like how they draw the 1st down line in the NFL.


Rofl I don't see anything currently on Kobe's pinkie which is supposedly "broken".

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I love how you completely steered this on a random tangent that had nothing to do with me. All I said was Kobe's finger injury was overblown. I never said anything about him playing shitty or anything else, so good job with your usual bullshit arguing tactics of steering off on a tangent. I think there are tons of injuries that are overblown trying to make the player look like a hero, I'm not singling Kobe out or anything like he's the first player this happened with.

[Allanon]

Rofl I don't see anything currently on Kobe's pinkie which is supposedly "broken".

You don't need to see any tape, it's pretty jacked up.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef012876c4a7e3970c-pi

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You don't need to see any tape, it's pretty jacked up.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef012876c4a7e3970c-pi


ROFL where is this "splint" you speak of :lol, and no, I'm not asking why he doesn't have a splint on. You said he was wearing a splint, I'm asking where it is, don't answer a question I didn't ask.

[Allanon]

I love how you completely steered this on a random tangent that had nothing to do with me.

All I said was Kobe's finger injury was overblown.

You're making shit up. When did you say this? Show me which post?

All you did was post a bullshit video made by some internet dude which I answered with a bunch of appropriate bullshit videos from random internet dudes too.

[Allanon]

ROFL where is this "splint" you speak of :lol, and no, I'm not asking why he doesn't have a splint on. You said he was wearing a splint, I'm asking where it is, don't answer a question I didn't ask.

You don't see the splint? Are you blind?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You're making shit up.


No I'm not. Kobe has an "avulsion" fracture on his finger, An injury that almost never requires surgery and usually heels on it's own while not presenting tons of pain while it's heeling. Look it up.

[Allanon]

No I'm not. Kobe has an "avulsion" fracture on his finger, An injury that almost never requires surgery and usually heels on it's own while not presenting tons of pain while it's heeling. Look it up.

Dude, you are blind...it's right there on his finger.

Kobe Bryant will wear a metal splint on his right index finger during games.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34827718/ns/sports-player_news/

Kobe himself talks about the splint:
“It’s just not strong enough,” Bryant said of the finger, which he said he will now keep splinted again.
http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2010/01/10/kobe-tried-but-failed-sans-support-of-finger-splint/28247/

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You don't see the splint? Are you blind?


Not on his pinkie. You said he's playing with "3 fingers", meaning two different fingers are broken. One of the supposedly "broken" fingers has nothing on it whatsoever. The other finger has tape, not a splint. There's a difference.

Splint:

http://www.mkprosopsis.com/images/Products/FingerSplints.jpg

tape:

http://images.cutoutandkeep.net/projects/1929/Finger_Splint_Cozy005_1205108783.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Dude, you are blind...it's right there on his finger.

Kobe Bryant will wear a metal splint on his right index finger during games.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34827718/ns/sports-player_news/

Kobe himself talks about the splint:
“It’s just not strong enough,” Bryant said of the finger, which he said he will now keep splinted again.
http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2010/01/10/kobe-tried-but-failed-sans-support-of-finger-splint/28247/


Does this finger count as two fingers or something? What is he wearing on this other supposed "broken" finger?

[Allanon]

The other finger has tape, not a splint. There's a difference.



WTF? You've been watching too many conspiracy theories. What do you think is under that tape? A splint. You think the NBA is gonna let players play with exposed metal splints? :lol

It's right there in the article, can you not read? Kobe is wearing a splint.



Kobe tried but failed sans support of finger splint
January 10th, 2010, 9:49 pm · 3 Comments · posted by KEVIN DING, OCREGISTER.COM

“It’s just not strong enough,” Bryant said of the finger, which he said he will now keep splinted again.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well have fun talking about how Dwight Howard was horrible till he turned 24 (which happened a little over a month ago btw), I'm out.

[Allanon]

Does this finger count as two fingers or something? What is he wearing on this other supposed "broken" finger?

Index finger = Splint.

Pinky finger. Look at the picture of his pinky...does that look normal to you?

Kobe tore the tendon that keeps the fingers together. He said he'd be the old granny with the wierd pinky that can bend backwards. :lol

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef012876c4a7e3970c-pi

5-2 = 3 fingered Kobe.

[Allanon]

This is just too easy :lol

Next.

[KidCongo]

Has Kobe shot 46% with the broken finger? I believe that's his % for the season.

[MiamiHeat]

Avulsion fracture is not a broken finger. Stop making shit up Laker fans.


Avulsion fracture's almost never need surgery, they heal on their own.

http://orthopedics.about.com/od/brokenbones/a/avulsion.htm


"Most often, an avulsion fracture is treated as a soft-tissue injury."

Soft-tissue injuries are the most common injuries to humans, from the high school level to the pro's, to you and me walking around the earth. EVERYONE GETS THEM, but not everyone makes a big deal about it



Apparently, Kobe's press agents want to play up the finger issue, so they get this ridiculous bandage job on his finger to make it look like he was just out of world war 2.

[MiamiHeat]

now, you guys want a TRUE old school warrior?

Caron Butler :


Butler revealed that the thumb injury he had late last season was worse than he or the team acknowledged. After hurting the thumb against Boston on April 5, Butler missed five games — all losses — but he returned to help the Wizards end the regular season on a three-game winning streak. At the time, Butler and the team called the injury a thumb “sprain.” In fact, Butler said he broke a bone in the thumb, which is on his shooting hand.

“I didn’t want anyone knowing how bad it was because then guys would have been hacking at it every chance they got,” said Butler, who estimated that the thumb was between 60 and 70 percent strength for the playoff series against Cleveland. “It’s better now, though.” . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001055.html

[MiamiHeat]

We never hear of MANY player injuries because they actually don't want to appear weak.

Kobe is a fucking pussy.

Tough guys don't ram into smaller players like Mo Williams and then treat everyone who saw it like we are stupid and act like you didn't see him there.

Or try and sneak in cheap shot elbows during a play and then act like you didn't do anything.

Or run to the referees whining for a foul call, after you just ninja elbowed someone.




in before they post : dwade wheelchair, paul pierce pictures.

[Allanon]

Yup. I went to an actual game in person. Kobe's not really wearing a splint. If you see it for realz, there is no splint.

All those media reports about Kobe's metal splint is just a bunch of lies.

Stern just added that splint into the television broadcast (like the fake NFL first down line) so people think Kobe's tough.

And Kobe's pinkie isn't messed up either, that's just the normal way for pinky fingers to bend backwards.

Kobe's such a faker.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef012876c4a7e3970c-pi

[ChrisRichards]

now, you guys want a TRUE old school warrior?

Caron Butler :



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001055.html
Damn. Gotta give MiamiHeat props when it comes to reasearching stuff like this.:lol

[MiamiHeat]

edit - chrisrichards the laker fan trying to pose as a heat fan ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Double-Up]

edit - fake ass laker fan trying to pose as a heat fan ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No shit, anyways back to the basics...Kobe is nothing more than a volume scorer like I've been saying in this thread and if you look at his FG% this year 2010 it's abysmal, not to mention his ballhogging ways have lead to near career lows in assists although he has offensive weapons all around him. He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.

[Allanon]

He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[WalterSobchak]

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.


Kobe has led his team to a 5-5 record their last 10 games. Kobe has allowed the Cavs to beat his ass twice & surpass the Lakers for best record in the league. Kobe has managed to make a "jammed finger" into the biggest injury in the league.

Your right Allanon. MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP!

[Banzai]

pointless thread.

[Allanon]

Kobe has led his team to a 5-5 record their last 10 games. Kobe has allowed the Cavs to beat his ass twice & surpass the Lakers for best record in the league. Kobe has managed to make a "jammed finger" into the biggest injury in the league.

Your right Allanon. MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP!

Double-up is challenging the Lakerfans regarding "shooting guards". Please stay on topic Walter.

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Double-up is challenging the Lakerfans regarding "shooting guards". Please stay on topic Walter.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
Son, if Kobe was that good, he would have put the game away without even needing a game winner.

[Allanon]

Son, if Kobe was that good, he would have put the game away without even needing a game winner.

Sons, nice new avatar, bad reasoning. You are making a case for Kobe's greatness.

Without Kobe's game winners this year, the Lakers would be tied with the Mavs and lower than the Hawks and Nuggets.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Sons, nice new avatar, bad reasoning. You are making a case for Kobe's greatness.

Without Kobe's game winners this year, the Lakers would be tied with the Mavs and lower than the Hawks and Nuggets.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

That only means Kobe is just winning barely even with a good supporting cast. Jordan led his 1995-1996 Bulls to a 72-10 record, with a +12 at least in point differential with possibly a weaker supporting cast. Thanks for admiring my avatar.

[Allanon]

That only means Kobe is just winning barely even with a good supporting cast.

That only means the supporting cast isn't really as good as people say it is. However, Kobe overcomes it all with the game winning shots.

Kobe "Hero" Bryant.

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Kobe Bryant is a chucker. Explain this. With Kobe being a backup for two years, he managed to outchuck Shaq. There is a difference of about 4 years and Kobe managed to outchuck Shaq. I expect you to click onto the link to explain why Kobe is a chucker or give a case of why he is not a chucker.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ga_career.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fga_career.html) -Look under the 2nd column. Kobe should be at least number 13 or 12 after this season. And look, he passed Shaq just this season. And Shaq has been in the league about 3 years longer than Bryant.

On the other hand, Tim Duncan is number 47 tied with Bernard King with 15,109 shots attempted, surapassing the 15,000 milestone this season. The next game he takes a shot, he would surpass him for 46 on the list. I must also congratulate Dirk for being so freaking good, he is 57 on the list, with 14,836 shots attempted.

All top 20 field goals attempted players who are eligible for the Hall of Fame are in the Hall of Fame. Karl Malone is eligible for this class of 2010 so you will see him up there.

[Allanon]

Kobe Bryant is a chucker. Explain this. With Kobe being a backup for two years, he managed to outchuck Shaq. There is a difference of about 4 years and Kobe managed to outchuck Shaq. I expect you to click onto the link to explain why Kobe is a chucker or give a case of why he is not a chucker.

Double-Up challenged all Lakerfans regarding shooting guards. This isn't about Shaq, please stay on topic for now. We can move onto your proposition later.




He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Double-Up challenged all Lakerfans regarding shooting guards. This isn't about Shaq, please stay on topic for now. We can move onto your proposition later.




Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

Son, I challenge you to explain why Kobe is a chucker. This isn't about Double-Up. This is now about why Kobe is one of the most talented chuckers of all time.

[Allanon]

Son, I challenge to explain why Kobe is a chucker. This isn't about Double-Up. This is now about why Kobe is one of the most talented chuckers of all time.

Sorry son, you quoted me earlier. We stay on topic with your quote. I'm not going to branch into others until we settle your first argument first.

Post #412,
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4027644&postcount=412

You quoted me, so please stay on topic or admit defeat and we can move on.

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Sorry son, you quoted me earlier. We stay on topic with your quote. I'm not going to branch into others until we settle your first argument first.

Post #412,
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4027644&postcount=412

You quoted me, so please stay on topic or admit defeat and we can move on.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
Son, see the title, official All Kobe, All The Time thread, as long as I don't fail to talk about Kobe in this thread, I am not off topic.

[Allanon]

I am not off topic.

Until you quote me and fail to respond on topic within the discussion, son.

In that case, I don't argue with people who don't admit defeat and jump to new topics because it's a pointless waste of time.

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Until you quote me and fail to respond on topic within the discussion, son.

In that case, I don't argue with people who don't admit defeat because it's a pointless waste of time.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
Kobe does not have his team at 33-11. You act as if the Lakers are a one man team. That is the only thing I am arguing. Go on and explain how the Lakers are a one man team.

[Allanon]

Kobe does not have his team at 33-11. You act as if the Lakers are a one man team. That is the only thing I am arguing. Go on and explain how the Lakers are a one man team.

Kobe is blamed for Laker losses. If Kobe deserves the blame for Laker losses, he also deserves the credit for wins.

Walter above says Kobe lost the lead to the Cavs. Just check the threads...there are thousands blaming Kobe for Laker losses.


Kobe has allowed the Cavs to beat his ass twice & surpass the Lakers for best record in the league.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Kobe is blamed for Laker losses. If Kobe deserves the blame for Laker losses, he also deserves the credit.

Walter above says Kobe lost the lead to the Cavs. Just check the threads...there are thousands blaming Kobe.
I am not blaming Kobe on the losses. Everyone on the team is responsible, so tell me, why are the Lakers 33-11 if Kobe is only the player doing something? Kobe is not as great as you think or his supporting cast sucks?

[Allanon]

I am not blaming Kobe on the losses. Everyone on the team is responsible, so tell me, why are the Lakers 33-11 if Kobe is only the player doing something? Kobe is not as great as you think or his supporting cast sucks?

Are you saying you have never laid the blame on Kobe for Laker losses?

Answer and I'll search your posts for the truth, sons.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Are you saying you have never laid the blame on Kobe for Laker losses?

Answer and I'll search your posts for the truth.
Did I say anything about Kobe chucking? I think I did. You can search my posts. I sincerely apologise for blaming Kobe for ALL Laker losses if that really happened. But the Lakers are a team. You don't see the NBA standings as

Kobe: 33-11.

Do you?

[Allanon]

Did I say anything about Kobe chucking? I think I did. You can search my posts. I sincerely apologise for blaming Kobe for ALL Laker losses if that really happened.

Please answer the question.

Have you ever blamed Kobe for a Laker loss?

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Please answer the question.

Have you ever blamed Kobe for a Laker loss?

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
Try searching my posts first. I think it is safe I didn't.

[Allanon]

Try searching my posts first. I think it is safe I didn't.

I'm not going to waste my time until I can quote your answer.

Yes or no?

Have you ever blamed Kobe for a loss?

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[MiamiHeat]

:lol at allanon in self-destruct mode

can't even put up a coherent argument, he's turned into a broken record nowadays.

i think his brain finally couldn't take it anymore, and now he's imploding.

[Allanon]

:lol at allanon in self-destruct mode

can't even put up a coherent argument, he's turned into a broken record nowadays.

:lol

[Chieflion]

I'm not going to waste my time until I can quote your answer.

Yes or no?

Have you ever blamed Kobe for a loss?

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
To be safe, I am going to say yes. But most probably no. So, you can quote me on whatever I said wrong on this post, it is a total win for you, now search my posts. It is good for you now that you have become a broken record, now you can focus on sucking Kobe's dick. Then he will ask whether he can cum in your face.

[Allanon]

To be safe, I am going to say yes.

Thank you for the honesty. Kobe gets blame, he also gets credit.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Thank you for the honesty. Kobe gets blame, he also gets credit.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
Son, just search my posts, you wouldn't dare to.

[Allanon]

Son, just search my posts, you wouldn't dare to.

Son, you already admitted it "Yes". There's no reason to search for an answer you already provided.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

I'm not going to waste my time until I can quote your answer.

Yes or no?

Have you ever blamed Kobe for a loss?

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
Good job. You haven't searched. Allanon should change his username to backpedaller, it would really suit him. His avatar needs to be a gif with a guy cycling backwards.

[Chieflion]

Double-Up challenged all Lakerfans regarding shooting guards. This isn't about Shaq, please stay on topic for now. We can move onto your proposition later.




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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
Now that we are down with this crap, can we move on to Kobe's chucking?

[Allanon]

Now that we are down with this crap, can we move on to Kobe's chucking?

Can you beat this? If you admit that you can't, we can move onto your chucking point.

Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Chieflion]

Can you beat this? If you admit that you can't, we can move onto your chucking point.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.
I beat it already. You are just trying to set a Guinness World Record for most posts on Spurstalk posting the same crap.

[Allanon]

I beat it already. You are just trying to set a Guinness World Record for most posts on Spurstalk posting the same crap.

You beat it already? How?

Only point you've had so far was that Kobe can't receive credit for the wins. But the hypocrisy has been exposed in you admitting you blamed Kobe for losses.

Have you ever blamed Kobe for a loss.

I am going to say yes. [
So if you can blame Kobe for losses, you have to credit Kobe for wins.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that.

[Double-Up]

After this Rocket's game I'll be happy to checkmate your ass on this topic Allanon...you do sound like Mav fans though repeating the same shit over and over...:lol

[Chieflion]

We are going to settle this bullshit after today's NBA games.

[Allanon]

We are going to settle this bullshit after today's NBA games.

I look forward to it, son. Don't "forget" my questions.

[Allanon]

After this Rocket's game I'll be happy to checkmate your ass on this topic Allanon...you do sound like Mav fans though repeating the same shit over and over...:lol

Whatever Double. You have never checked or mated my ass

Show up after your game for some pwnage :lo


He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that

[Double-Up]

Whatever Double. You have never checked or mated my ass

Show up after your game for some pwnage :lo



Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that

Why don't you just make that your new sig? That way you don't have to keep repeating yourself.

[Allanon]

Why don't you just make that your new sig? That way you don't have to keep repeating yourself.

That's a good idea.

However, you might "miss it" so I'm leaving it there for you to respond to.

Hurry up with your game and come along here and 'git some. Go Rockets!


He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.
Next.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that

[MiamiHeat]

Wade-LeBron are putting on another epic battle right now

Wade with 30 points at half-time....

[mystargtr34]

:lol Allanon going 8 year old kid over Kobe... cover up the ears and shout LALALALALALALALALALA KOBE RULZ KOBE RULZ

[Allanon]

:lol Allanon going 8 year old kid over Kobe... cover up the ears and shout LALALALALALALALALALA KOBE RULZ KOBE RULZ

Infatuation. I got my own fan troll following me around

Welcome to my thread, again, mystar :lol

[Allanon]

Oops, just looked at the boxscores tonight, now I know why Rocketfan and Spurfan are angry tonight.

Bring it on fellas, I'll help take the sting out. :lol

[mystargtr34]

Infatuation. I got my own fan troll following me around

Welcome to my thread, again, mystar :lol

Someone here has obviously struck a nerve with you regarding Kobe, given your break down the previous couple of pages.

I think ill leave you alone.

[Allanon]

Someone here has obviously struck a nerve with you regarding Kobe, given your break down the previous couple of pages.

It was an open challenge to Lakerfan.

I don't let bullshitters out easy...and I have a winning argument. If I have a winning hand, I"m gonna ride it again and again:

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that



I think ill leave you alone.

:lol Hi mystar!

[MiamiHeat]

Someone here has obviously struck a nerve with you regarding Kobe, given your break down the previous couple of pages.

I think ill leave you alone.

lol i know, it's a sad sight to see. it's like he is having a mental breakdown and just doesn't know what to say anymore

maybe he is seeing the light :lol

[Chieflion]

It is sad to see Allanon being like this. He used to be a good poster, but got a mental breakdown after a Lakers championship.

[ChrisRichards]

Gotta give props to Allanon here. You guys are taking turns running a train on his ass but the guy is still standing strong despite of all the blood dripping from that hole.


I know that did;nt come out right but much Respect.

[Double-Up]

Gotta give props to Allanon here. You guys are taking turns running a train on his ass but the guy is still standing strong despite of all the blood dripping from that hole.


I know that did;nt come out right but much Respect.

That sure as fuck didn't, maybe you wanna rephrase that? :lol

[21_Blessings]

The only mental breakdowns happening around here will be every non-Lakers fan in the NBA forum after Kobe wins #5. I'd expect mass suicide for most Spurs fans as well.

Will certainly be a great day.

[Chieflion]

The only mental breakdowns happening around here will be every non-Lakers fan in the NBA forum after Kobe wins #5. I'd expect mass suicide for most Spurs fans as well.

Will certainly be a great day.
Counting your chickens before they hatch? LOL 21_Pussdicktions!

[Allanon]

It is sad to see Allanon being like this. He used to be a good poster, but got a mental breakdown after a Lakers championship.

Don't change the subject.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that

ps. nice to see no Heatfan, Spurfan, or Rocketfan came around last night for a beating. Even after some said they would. Pussies :lol

[Allanon]

Gotta give props to Allanon here. You guys are taking turns running a train on his ass but the guy is still standing strong despite of all the blood dripping from that hole.


I know that did;nt come out right but much Respect.

There ain't no train running around here unless its ramming the haters. Only a buncha pussy posters dodging questions as usual.

Thanks for the Respekt anywayz . :toast

[Allanon]

Counting your chickens before they hatch? LOL 21_Pussdicktions!


We are going to settle this bullshit after today's NBA games.

Where did you run to last night? Why didn't you come back like you said you would? Rubbing your hurt pussy?

:lol

Don't change the subject.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that

[Allanon]

After this Rocket's game I'll be happy to checkmate your ass on this topic Allanon...you do sound like Mav fans though repeating the same shit over and over...:lol

Still waiting for that "checkmate" Double.

Where did you run to last night? Why didn't you come back like you said you would?

Rubbing your hurt pussy like Spurfan and Heatfan?

3 pussies running after their team lost last night :lol



He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that

[Allanon]

lol i know, it's a sad sight to see. it's like he is having a mental breakdown and just doesn't know what to say anymore

maybe he is seeing the light :lol

You've come up weak this whole thread. All you can do is suck off other posters now? This is the second time, I ignored the first.

Let's have some new Kobe trash unless you aint got nothing left but dick sucking other posters? :lol

[Double-Up]

Still waiting for that "checkmate" Double.

Where did you run to last night? Why didn't you come back like you said you would?

Rubbing your hurt pussy like Spurfan and Heatfan?

3 pussies running after their team lost last night :lol



Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that


I'm at fucking work, give me a sec, not like it's hard to show Kobe is not a top SG in the league anyways.

[Double-Up]

We'll start first by player that contributes most to winning in the 09-10 season so far, we have:

WS- D-Wade 6.8 and Kobe at 6.4.
ORtg- D-Wade 112, Kobe 109
DRtg- D-Wade 104, Kobe 102
OWS- (Offensive Win Shares) D-Wade 4.7, Kobe 3.7
DWS- (Defensive Win Shares) D-Wade 2.1, Kobe 2.7
eFG%- D-Wade .491, Kobe .485
TS%- D-Wade .551, Kobe .542

Hell I'll even add PER just for fun:
PER- D-Wade 27.8, Kobe 23.3

As you can see Kobe only beats Wade in one category and mind you this is a bad season for D-Wade not to mention he's the only example I used, so don't get me fucking started on the rest of the top guards in the league. Kobe is an overrated volume scorer who can only lead his team to a ring if he has a dominant post player.

/end thread.

[Allanon]

We'll start first by player that contributes most to winning in the 09-10 season so far, we have:

WS- D-Wade 6.8 and Kobe at 6.4.
ORtg- D-Wade 112, Kobe 109
DRtg- D-Wade 104, Kobe 102
OWS- (Offensive Win Shares) D-Wade 4.7, Kobe 3.7
DWS- (Defensive Win Shares) D-Wade 2.1, Kobe 2.7
eFG%- D-Wade .491, Kobe .485
TS%- D-Wade .551, Kobe .542

Hell I'll even add PER just for fun:
PER- D-Wade 27.8, Kobe 23.3

As you can see Kobe only beats Wade in one category and mind you this is a bad season for D-Wade not to mention he's the only example I used, so don't get me fucking started on the rest of the top guards in the league. Kobe is an overrated volume scorer who can only lead his team to a ring if he has a dominant post player.

/end thread.

Hello?

Kobe's hit 4 out of 5 game winners. How many has Wade had to contribute to the win? :lol

Did you not see this thread? It's on the fricken front page!

Wade choke of the night
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145177

/resume thread

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!

[Double-Up]

Hello?

Kobe's hit 4 out of 5 game winners. How many has Wade had to contribute to the win? :lol

Did you not see this thread? It's on the fricken front page!

Wade choke of the night
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145177

/resume thread

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!

Gasol's shooting .53% this season.
Gasol has his team at 33-11
Gasol's hit efficient in game shot after in game shot to keep the score close enough for Kobe to throw up a crap shot.

Beat that!

[Allanon]

Gasol's shooting .53% this season.
Gasol has his team at 33-11
Gasol's hit efficient in game shot after in game shot to keep the score close enough for Kobe to throw up a crap shot.

Beat that!

Gasol has missed 17 games.... ie 40% of the season.

Kobe has played 100% of the games this season.

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!

ps. please stick to shooting guards as your original post stated:



He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.

[JamStone]

We'll start first by player that contributes most to winning in the 09-10 season so far, we have:

WS- D-Wade 6.8 and Kobe at 6.4.
ORtg- D-Wade 112, Kobe 109
DRtg- D-Wade 104, Kobe 102
OWS- (Offensive Win Shares) D-Wade 4.7, Kobe 3.7
DWS- (Defensive Win Shares) D-Wade 2.1, Kobe 2.7
eFG%- D-Wade .491, Kobe .485
TS%- D-Wade .551, Kobe .542

Hell I'll even add PER just for fun:
PER- D-Wade 27.8, Kobe 23.3

As you can see Kobe only beats Wade in one category and mind you this is a bad season for D-Wade not to mention he's the only example I used, so don't get me fucking started on the rest of the top guards in the league. Kobe is an overrated volume scorer who can only lead his team to a ring if he has a dominant post player.

/end thread.


DRtg is the amount of points a player allows defensively per 100 possessions. The lower the score, the better the defensive player.

Additionally, using that analysis, one could argue that Chris Bosh is a better player than Dirk Nowitzki. Do you believe Bosh is a better player than Nowitzki?

When a player is asked to do more for his team, many of those stats you cite will favor him over a similar player who has to do less for his team to win. Do you think Brandon Roy is a better offensive player than Dwyane Wade? He beats Wade in pretty much every one of those offensive categories.

Stats help, but they are never the end all and be all to a player comparison like this, less you slip into Hollinger's world of not actually watching the games. There is absolutely evidence one could argue that Wade is a better player than Kobe statistically. So why on God's green earth does everyone and their mamas, including actual NBA players and coaches, acknowledge Kobe as the best player in the NBA? And, if there is any debate, it's not with Wade but with LeBron. It's more than just a statistical analysis.

[Double-Up]

DRtg is the amount of points a player allows defensively per 100 possessions. The lower the score, the better the defensive player.

Additionally, using that analysis, one could argue that Chris Bosh is a better player than Dirk Nowitzki. Do you believe Bosh is a better player than Nowitzki?

When a player is asked to do more for his team, many of those stats you cite will favor him over a similar player who has to do less for his team to win. Do you think Brandon Roy is a better offensive player than Dwyane Wade? He beats Wade in pretty much every one of those offensive categories.

Stats help, but they are never the end all and be all to a player comparison like this, less you slip into Hollinger's world of not actually watching the games. There is absolutely evidence one could argue that Wade is a better player than Kobe statistically. So why on God's green earth does everyone and their mamas, including actual NBA players and coaches, acknowledge Kobe as the best player in the NBA? And, if there is any debate, it's not with Wade but with LeBron. It's more than just a statistical analysis.

Of course I realize stats don't mean everything but I copied and paste from bb reference just to give an idea of where the two stand. I may have missed a few things in the process, but I ain't trippin, when I get time it's not difficult to produce stats that show Kobe's a volume shooter, since we're on point what's your opinion on the matter?

[Allanon]

He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4026634&postcount=407



We are going to settle this bullshit after today's NBA games.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4027842&postcount=442



After this Rocket's game I'll be happy to checkmate your ass on this topic Allanon... :lol
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4027833&postcount=441



:lol I'm just following Allanon around to put in some lols but no substance because my Spurs lost and I'm infatuated
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4028137&postcount=448



lol I'm just going to suck off Spurfan and hope they bail me out of Allanon's pwning
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4029805&postcount=453


+4 fishies for Allanon

And Crickets.


ps.
Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!

[Double-Up]

+4 fishies for Allanon

And Crickets.


ps.
Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!

Fool I just proved to lakerfan that in every other advanced stat except the 2 that Jamstone mentioned he's been beaten in all other categories this season even with D-Wade putting career lows in all...next.
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Gasol's shooting .53% this season.
Gasol has his team at 33-11
Gasol's hit efficient in game shot after in game shot to keep the score close enough for Kobe to throw up a crap shot.

Beat that!

[Allanon]

Fool I just proved to lakefan that in every other stat expect the 2 (thx to Jamstone) he's been beatin at this season even with D-Wade putting career lows in all categories...next.

Fool, why are you putting up stupid stats like John Hollinger.

Hollinger just said the Jazz would beat the Lakers and Cavaliers today based on stats.

Real world, the Jazz would get their ass handed to them by the Lakers and Cavs.

Real world, your boy Wade just had the choke of the night. Can you not read? It's right there on the front page of the forum.

Wade with the choke job of the night
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145177

Kobe's hit 4 out of 5 game winners. Wins are > stupid stats.

Show me some intelligence, not just meaningless stats, Double Hollinger :lol

[Allanon]

Fool I just proved to lakerfan that in every other advanced stat except the 2 that Jamstone mentioned he's been beaten in all other categories this season even with D-Wade putting career lows in all...next.
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Gasol's shooting .53% this season.
Gasol has his team at 33-11
Gasol's hit efficient in game shot after in game shot to keep the score close enough for Kobe to throw up a crap shot.

Beat that!

WTF? This is even stupider than Hollinger.

A) Gasol has missed 40% of the games; how can he even lead the team when he's not even playing? Spiritually? :lol

B) SHOOTING GUARDS. WTF are you doing bringing up Pau Gasol, a Power Forward? You need to check the Laker roster buddy :lol


He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.

ps.
Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!

[JamStone]

Of course I realize stats don't mean everything but I copied and paste from bb reference just to give an idea of where the two stand. I may have missed a few things in the process, but I ain't trippin, when I get time it's not difficult to produce stats that show Kobe's a volume shooter, since we're on point what's your opinion on the matter?

You realize stats don't mean everything yet you had to add in that "/end thread" comment at the end of that post as if stats did mean everything. I might not have responded to that post had you not put that at the end as if the stats you provided proved everything.

My opinion in the matter is that Kobe is the second best player in the league, behind LeBron James. But, he is also undoubtedly the best shooting guard in the league and better than Dwyane Wade. Kobe has been in a slump recently, and I don't think injuries is a fair excuse. But, I still take Kobe over Wade 10 times out of 10 times.

Wade is better only at passing and driving and finishing at the rim. With every other aspect offensively, from jumpshooting to range to low post scoring to handling the basketball to clutch shot making, I'd give the edge to Kobe. And, even with passing, I think it's closer to being even than it is being a huge advantage in Wade's favor. I think if Kobe were on a team where the coach put Kobe in 45+ isolation plays every game instead of mostly playing out of triangle sets where there is more of an equal opportunity for playmaking, I think Kobe's assist numbers throughout his career would be greater. Kobe is also a selfish player, no denying that, so that does also bring his assist totals down. But, LeBron and Wade get iso plays called for them pretty much the whole game.

Wade is a fantastic player, even struggling somewhat this year, I'd put him in the top 5 or very close in the league. As a talent, he's probably a top 3 or top 4 guy. But, like I said, right now, I'd still take Kobe 10 out of 10 times over Dwyane Wade.

[Double-Up]

WTF? This is even stupider than Hollinger.

A) Gasol has missed 40% of the games; how can he even lead the team when he's not even playing? Spiritually? :lol

B) SHOOTING GUARDS. WTF are you doing bringing up Pau Gasol, a Power Forward? You need to check the Laker roster buddy :lol



ps.
Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!

It is what it is...Kobe is still a volume shooter and I doesn't matter what anyone says, like you guys proclaim stats don't mean everything. :lol

[Allanon]

It is what it is...Kobe is still a volume shooter and I doesn't matter what anyone says, like you guys proclaim stats don't mean everything. :lol

I'm not the one challenging all Lakerfans, YOU did.

Way to back out :lol

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!


He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.


After this Rocket's game I'll be happy to checkmate your ass on this topic Allanon... :lol
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4027833&postcount=441


Checkmate yourself??? :toast

[BRHornet45]

well sons no surprise ....

I was just channel surfing and saw the Lakers game and Kobe was at the free throw line. has there ever been another player make his living at the free throw line more than Kobe has? the amount of free points the NBA has given this dude is disgusting. roughly 6,000 of his career points have came from the line. I can assure you that AT LEAST 4,000 of those points were chicken shit foul calls / gifts from the league.

[Chieflion]

well sons no surprise ....

I was just channel surfing and saw the Lakers game and Kobe was at the free throw line. has there ever been another player make his living at the free throw line more than Kobe has? the amount of free points the NBA has given this dude is disgusting. roughly 6,000 of his career points have came from the line. I can assure you that AT LEAST 4,000 of those points were chicken shit foul calls / gifts from the league.
Devin Brown is the best SG in the league, wouldn't you say?

[BRHornet45]

Devin Brown is the best SG in the league, wouldn't you say?

son if teams would give him the green light on a nightly basis I GUARANTEE you he would put up 20-30 points per game. no doubt about it. The Hornets gave him the green light quite a few times this year and he SHINED. if Chicago was smart, they would let him shoot the ball at least 20 times a game like Kobe. FEED DEVIN!

[JamStone]

well sons no surprise ....

I was just channel surfing and saw the Lakers game and Kobe was at the free throw line. has there ever been another player make his living at the free throw line more than Kobe has? the amount of free points the NBA has given this dude is disgusting. roughly 6,000 of his career points have came from the line. I can assure you that AT LEAST 4,000 of those points were chicken shit foul calls / gifts from the league.

Kobe isn't even in the top 10 of free throw attempts per game this season. Corey Maggette has taken more free throws than Kobe this season in three fewer games.

[RsxPiimp]

It is what it is...Kobe is still a volume shooter and I doesn't matter what anyone says, like you guys proclaim stats don't mean everything. :lol

You can't penalize Kobe for shooting 2 more shots than Wade and/or Lebron. Truth of the matter is Kobe is the best shooting guard in the league with Wade coming in a close second. Despite Kobe going through a rough patch, he's still outplaying Wade at this point.

[Double-Up]

I'm not the one challenging all Lakerfans, YOU did.

Way to back out :lol

Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!





Checkmate yourself??? :toast

Fool you're a Lakerfan you're always gonna think Kobe is the best no matter what you see or hear...but for the realist out there we know D-Whistle's been shitting on Kobe for his entire career statwise and has always been the better, more efficient player...now back to your scheduled mental breakdown. :toast

[fevertrees]

This is a good article from a few years ago..

"Kobe Bryant: King Of The Assholes"



Is there any bigger asshole than Kobe Bryant? This guy has to take the cake. Let’s recap:

He goes off and shags some 19 year old opportunist at a spa in Colorado.

He pays off his wife in diamonds to apologize for his indiscretion, proving that love may not be able to be bought, but avoiding a costly divorce can be.

He avoids a potentially devastating criminal case surrounding a situation that appears less than clear cut either way.

He then shits all over his long time teammate Shaquille O’Neal. He takes every interview possible to let us know what a selfish piece of shit he thinks Shaq is. Oh yeah, Shaq supported the living daylights out of this ingrate while he was still probably cleaning some of the 19 year old off of himself.

He forces the Lakers to dispatch Shaq to parts unknown, also known as Miami. He also makes enough of impression on Phil Jackson to convince Phil that the last place he’d want to be is on the bench coaching the Lakers.

He now takes more shots than a drunk at a Dollar Vodka Night to make up for the loss of Shaq.

Now he’s accusing Karl Malone of making passes at Kobe’s wife. Malone also was a Kobe supporter during Kobe’s darker days in ‘03. Shouldn’t Vanessa Bryant get a shot to knock boots with one of Kobe’s teammates? Kobe’s outrage is really genuine, considering his obvious respect for the institution of marriage. Even Neon Deion is saying that Kobe is a piece of garbage. You know its bad when “Primetime” piles on.

Kobe seems so clueless. He has a chance to slip back into relative obscurity, as much as a superstar basketball player can. He could at least get himself off of the cover of every supermarket tabloid. But he opts to remain in the spotlight, and burn every possible bridge while making certain that no one else will ever want to come to a team that employs Bryant.

Kobe is a great example of a manchild who should have given college a chance before taking his ridiculous talents right to the NBA. College wouldn't have helped his game; it would have helped his maturity.

Here’s hoping Kobe gets everything coming to him…and then some.

[fevertrees]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/410KVHCNTDL._SS500_.jpg

Has anyone read this book?

[Allanon]

Fool you're a Lakerfan you're always gonna think Kobe is the best no matter what you see or hear...but for the realist out there we know D-Whistle's been shitting on Kobe for his entire career statwise and has always been the better, more efficient player...now back to your scheduled mental breakdown. :toast

Yeah, I thought so, now you're just talking shit cuz you can't come up with shit.

How predictable, Rocketfan.

You might want to "Checkmate your own ass" next time buddy before you open your big mouth with "challenges" :lol


He's definantly not the best SG in the league and I challenge any Laker fan to prove otherwise.

After this Rocket's game I'll be happy to checkmate your ass on this topic Allanon... :lol
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4027833&postcount=441


Kobe's shooting 46% this season.
Kobe has his team at 33-11
Kobe's hit 4 of 5 game winning attempts

Beat that!

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/410KVHCNTDL._SS500_.jpg

Has anyone read this book?

So original, lame!

[pauls931]

http://www.picrandom.com/images/statistics.jpg

[fevertrees]

Props to Kobe for having a GOOD night on the court instead of his usual antics.
10-15 shootings for a change and only 8 trips to the free zone!

[Why So Serious]

it's really funny how some of you folks waste your time with this kobe thing. When you have coaches and players who actually are a part of the game saying kobe is the best ( not all because some say lebron) then you would think you'd get the idea, that lebron and kobe or kobe and lebron are the top two players of the game.

this isn't science. :lol:lol:lol

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe's back spasm healed?


Last 3 games

27.3 PPG
537% FG
350% 3FG
8 APG
9.6 RPG
1.0 SPG
3.6 T/O

Best of all Kobe's just averaging 18 FGA per game which translates to his higher assist and rebound numbers.


Kobe needs to do that for the rest of the season and I guarantee the Lakers would end up with the best regular season record.

[Allanon]

Kobe's back spasm healed?


Last 3 games

27.3 PPG
537% FG
350% 3FG
8 APG
9.6 RPG
1.0 SPG
3.6 T/O

Best of all Kobe's just averaging 18 FGA per game which translates to his higher assist and rebound numbers.


Kobe needs to do that for the rest of the season and I guarantee the Lakers would end up with the best regular season record.

I don't think the back spasms were a lingering thing as I haven't heard about them recently.

As for the broken index finger it is healing up, I figure he will be fine after the All Star Break.

Kobe's pinky finger will never heal unless he has the surgery to re-attach it.

[Donkeybong]

Anyone have Shaq's stats pre-kobe and post Kobe? Im interested to see them.

[himat]

I've always thought that Kobe would be better if he scored less. He can be the best perimeter defender in the league if he wanted too but he wastes all his energy on offense.

I think he has so many great offensive/sub-par defensive teammates that he should distribute, rebound, and play lock down defense more often than putting up shots.

That stat line he put up the other night was spectacular. Almost a triple double while only putting up 15 shots? Thats great.

He should be doing this more often: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBu28UwDzps

[MiamiHeat]

So..

when Kobe stinks it up, laker fan says : "HIS FINGER/BACK/TOE IS HURTING"

when kome plays better, laker fan says : "He must be healing, he's healed up of his injury!"

[Allanon]

Broken fingers need time to heal. It is the natural order of things.

You won't hear me talking about the broken index finger after All Star Break.

[MiamiHeat]

*fractured, not broken

[Allanon]

fractured bone = broken bone

[WalterSobchak]

Can someone tell me again why we sticky a thread for the SECOND best player in the league?? Seems pointless.

[WalterSobchak]

fractured bone = broken bone


Avulsion Fracture = Jammed Finger

[Allanon]

Avulsion Fracture = Jammed Finger

Avulsion Fracture = Broken bone and torn ligament

[WalterSobchak]

Avulsion Fracture = Broken bone and torn ligament


http://www.menshealth.com/sportsinjuries/jammed_finger.html

Jammed finger.

[Allanon]

http://www.menshealth.com/sportsinjuries/jammed_finger.html

Jammed finger.

Nowhere does your article say it's a jammed finger.

When an avulsion fracture occurs, the tendon or ligament pulls off a piece of the bone.

http://orthopedics.about.com/od/brokenbones/a/avulsion.htm


Jammed Finger = A jammed finger is a sprain of one of the joints in your digit.

Avulsion fracture = Separation of bone = fracture = broken finger

[Donkeybong]

*fractured, not broken

lmao :lmao

[WalterSobchak]

When an avulsion fracture occurs, the tendon or ligament pulls off a piece of the bone.

http://orthopedics.about.com/od/brokenbones/a/avulsion.htm

Separation of bone = fracture = broken


Avulsion Fracture: Lamens term, severe jammed finger. Nothing more. Common injury in the sport of basketball. But for some reason, were supposed to believe Kobe is some "warrior" playing through the pain of a common basketball injury. :rolleyes

[Allanon]

Avulsion Fracture: Lamens term, severe jammed finger. Nothing more. Common injury in the sport of basketball. But for some reason, were supposed to believe Kobe is some "warrior" playing through the pain of a common basketball injury. :rolleyes

Where does it say Avulsion Fracture = Jammed Finger. Are you making this up?

I'm no doctor, only basic biology class, and even I know


Finger jam's are sprains.
Finger Fractures are breaks.

Even the link you posted doesn't say it.

Here's your link, where does it say an Avulsion Fracture is a jammed Finger?
http://www.menshealth.com/sportsinjuries/jammed_finger.html

[WalterSobchak]

Nowhere does your article say it's a jammed finger.


Did you even click the link?? In big letters......JAMMED FINGERS. I will quote the important part you missed.


"The impact of a ball to the fingertip can cause one or both of these ligaments to bow out from the finger and overstretch, which results in swelling. In rare cases, a piece of bone breaks off with the ligament, resulting in what’s called an avulsion fracture."

Avulsion Fracture = Severe jammed finger

[Allanon]

Did you even click the link?? In big letters......JAMMED FINGER. I will quote the important part you missed.


"The impact of a ball to the fingertip can cause one or both of these ligaments to bow out from the finger and overstretch, which results in swelling. In rare cases, a piece of bone breaks off with the ligament, resulting in what’s called an avulsion fracture."

Avulsion Fracture = Severe jammed finger

Do you even know how to read. It's right there in front of you. As soon as you separate bone, it is no longer a sprain, it becomes a fracture:

In rare cases, a piece of bone breaks off with the ligament, resulting in what’s called an avulsion fracture.

[Donkeybong]

Avulsion Fracture: Lamens term, severe jammed finger. Nothing more. Common injury in the sport of basketball. But for some reason, were supposed to believe Kobe is some "warrior" playing through the pain of a common basketball injury. :rolleyes

The definition of a jammed finger varies greatly. Severely jammed fingers can result in an avulsion fracture which is usually a tendon pulling off (breaking) a piece of bone.



http://www.netterimages.com/image/35511.htm


avulsion fracture - separation of a small fragment of bone cortex at the site of attachment of a ligament or tendon.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/avulsion+fracture

[WalterSobchak]

Do you even know how to read. It's right there in front of you:

In rare cases, a piece of bone breaks off with the ligament, resulting in what’s called an avulsion fracture.


Once again, classified as a jammed finger to Mens Health.

[Donkeybong]

Where does it say Avulsion Fracture = Jammed Finger. Are you making this up?

I'm no doctor, only basic biology class, and even I know


Finger jam's are sprains.
Finger Fractures are breaks.

Even the link you posted doesn't say it.

Here's your link, where does it say an Avulsion Fracture is a jammed Finger?
http://www.menshealth.com/sportsinjuries/jammed_finger.html

im in med-school and in first semester anatomy you learn what an avulsion fracture is. It most commonly occurs on the ischial tuberosity (where your hamstrings attach), however you can get them at other areas such as the foot or hand, but are much less common.