Official All Kobe, All The Time Thread

[Allanon]

Once again, classified as a jammed finger to Mens Health.

It's not classified as a jammed finger, it's two totally separate things. Even your article says it's something else.

From your article.

1. A jammed finger is a sprain of one of the joints in your digit.

2. In rare cases, a piece of bone breaks off with the ligament, resulting in what’s called an avulsion fracture. <<< Note right here it is no longer called a sprain or a jammed finger >>>

Do I need to quote you the difference between a SPRAIN and a FRACTURE?

[WalterSobchak]

It's not classified as a jammed finger, it's two totally separate things. Even your article says it's something else.

From your article.

1. A jammed finger is a sprain of one of the joints in your digit.

2. In rare cases, a piece of bone breaks off with the ligament, resulting in what’s called an avulsion fracture. <<< Note right here it is no longer called a sprain or a jammed finger >>>

Do I need to quote you the difference between a SPRAIN and a FRACTURE?


Common basketball injury.

[Allanon]

Common basketball injury.

Now you're changing the subject. :lol

OK, fine. Where does it say Avulsion Fractures are a "Common basketball injury"?

[Donkeybong]

there is no debate. this guy is just trying to rile some feathers.

[WalterSobchak]

Kobe's a warrior. I'm sure he's the only player in history to play through a severe jammed finger that caused an avulsion fracture.

[Allanon]

im in med-school and in first semester anatomy you learn what an avulsion fracture is. It most commonly occurs on the ischial tuberosity (where your hamstrings attach), however you can get them at other areas such as the foot or hand, but are much less common.

Thanks for clarifying that.

[BRHornet45]

I pray everyday someone ends his career.

[rhyputa]

I pray everyday someone ends his career.

You made it, Christina Paul broke his knee
Keep praying, then I guess he'll never come back and you'll be happy ever after :toast

[ChrisRichards]

:toastWalterSonchack is the man here

[Metheny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA028dlUVwQ

[Killakobe81]

BR, walter, miami Heat and CR ...
The "rhodes scholars" of spurstalk!!!

[Allanon]

LA028dlUVwQ

As far as I know, no doctor or qualified medical specialist has come out with any expose on Kobe's finger.

This video was posted by some random internet dude like you and me. He could very well be some fat Kobe hater who has never played basketball in his life.

His opinion carries no more credibility than somebody you meet on the street. It's no different than some guys who put up videos saying the lunar landing was faked.

[MiamiHeat]

As far as I know, no doctor or qualified medical specialist has come out with any expose on Kobe's finger.

This video was posted by some random internet dude like you and me. He could very well be some fat Kobe hater who has never played basketball in his life.

His opinion carries no more credibility than somebody you meet on the street. It's no different than some guys who put up videos saying the lunar landing was faked.

so I guess all the reports that kobe has an avulsion fracture are fabricated....hmmm..... yes, there is a sinister plan here

http://localcrank.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/tinfoil-hat1.jpg

[Allanon]

so I guess all the reports that kobe has an avulsion fracture are fabricated....hmmm..... yes, there is a sinister plan here

The "avulsion fracture" reports are ALL accurate.

It's the "fake injury" videos by some fat ass Kobe hater at home that are fabricated.

[WalterSobchak]

The "avulsion fracture" reports are ALL accurate.

It's the "fake injury" videos by some fat ass Kobe hater at home that are fabricated.


Sounds like Lakers fans want to believe the Avulsion fracture is worse than it actually is. Figures. Fucking Nihilists.

[Allanon]

Sounds like Lakers fans want to believe the Avulsion fracture is worse than it actually is. Figures. Fucking Nihilists.

Sounds like Haters have to make up shit just to hate on Kobe. Fucking delusional :lol

[WalterSobchak]

Poor Kobe. It must be hard to keep playing through a severely jammed finger injury.

[Allanon]

BTW, "Walter", you might as well post under your regular username :lol

[WalterSobchak]

BTW, "Walter", you might as well post under your regular username :lol


Just curious to know who that would be. Please tell me what my "regular" name is Allanon.

[Allanon]

Just curious to know who that would be. Please tell me what my "regular" name is Allanon.

:lol I think I'll save that for a rainy day.

[WalterSobchak]

:lol I think I'll save that for a rainy day.

:lol Indeed. I find it amusing that you think i'm someone else! :lmao

[Allanon]

:lol Indeed. I find it amusing that you think i'm someone else! :lmao

Indeed. :lmao

[WalterSobchak]

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. Why do we sticky a thread for the 2nd best player in the league again?

[UrAphag]

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. Why do we sticky a thread for the 2nd best player in the league again?
because you touch yourself at night

[BRHornet45]

he needs his ass beat is what he needs

[Allanon]

Kobe playing on a sprained ankle he got in Friday's game.

[Unholy Turkey]

Opps

[rhyputa]

Another game winning shot!
Against Celdicks in TD Garden, lol

[21_Blessings]

How many game winners is that now Allanon? I seriously lost track.

[Allanon]

5 out of 6 game winning shots for Kobe Bean this year, 21_Blessings. :lol

I am pretty sure he's close to record-breaking "game winners in 1 season".

[21_Blessings]

:bking

[Killakobe81]

Like I said Magic is my fave Laker ...but ...kobe is making it hard to deny him #1 Laker status ...
Great game.

[mystargtr34]

Might be time for me to give Kobe some clutch props, he's been ice cold in those situations this season.

PS - Still shoots way too much with Pau and Bynum down there. He should never have equal or more field goal attempts than Pau and Bynum combined.

[Double-Up]

Might be time for me to give Kobe some clutch props, he's been ice cold in those situations this season.

PS - Still shoots way too much with Pau and Bynum down there. He should never have equal or more field goal attempts than Pau and Bynum combined.

Can't deny that fact even though he is not very efficient on offense.

[kamikazi_player]

wow, there's actually a sticky thread about Kobe? I hate Kobe as much as the next person, but you guys should stop getting obsessed over him :lol

[rhyputa]

so many kobe threads coming up :lmao

[Scola]

Don't know if this was posted yet but the BS report on 1/29 was mostly about Kobe

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=2864045

[Chieflion]

Congrats to Kobe Bryant for being the number 13 on the all-time list for field goals attempted. 390 attempts more to surpass Oscar Robertson.

[Allanon]

Kobe's a career 45.5% shooter.

He's raised his averages to 46% this year and leading the Lakers to #1 in the West.

Very, very respectable percentages.

I'll take that any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[Double-Up]

Kobe's a career 45.5% shooter.

He's raised his averages to 46% this year and leading the Lakers to #1 in the West.

Very, very respectable percentages.

I'll take that any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

“Obviously we’re not making a concerted effort at pounding the ball inside,” Gasol said after the loss.

He said he’s not sure why this plagues the Lakers despite their consistent size advantage, but added pointedly: “It happens often

:lmao

[Allanon]

“Obviously we’re not making a concerted effort at pounding the ball inside,” Gasol said after the loss.

He said he’s not sure why this plagues the Lakers despite their consistent size advantage, but added pointedly: “It happens often

:lmao

That's actually a stupid quote from the other thread. But since this is the Kobe all the time thread, I didn't respond there.

Thanks for bringing it up here.

There's nothing that says Gasol's talking about Kobe but it's been distorted into an Anti-Kobe thing by the haters

Getting the ball into the post (where Kobe often plays this year), is the job of the Point guards/point forward Fisher, Farmar and Odom. Everybody knows this... the haters just don't want to see it.

As reported a million times, Kobe plays in the post ALOT this year, Gasol is obviously not talking about Kobe.

As I said before, haters have to make up shit to diss on Kobe :lol

[DAF86]

That's actually a stupid quote from the other thread. But since this is the Kobe all the time thread, I didn't respond there.

Thanks for bringing it up here.

There's nothing that says Gasol's talking about Kobe but it's been distorted into an Anti-Kobe thing by the haters

Getting the ball into the post (where Kobe often plays this year), is the job of the Point guards/point forward Fisher, Farmar and Odom. Everybody knows this... the haters just don't want to see it.

As reported a million times, Kobe plays in the post ALOT this year, Gasol is obviously not talking about Kobe.

As I said before, haters have to make up shit to diss on Kobe :lol

You forget that Pau also said this:


Gasol was asked about Bryant’s new record and offered politically correct – and believably authentic – commentary (“I’m proud of him; I congratulate him”) before adding the kicker: “Now we can focus on winning games again".

He's clearly talking about Kobe.

[Allanon]

You forget that Pau also said this:



He's clearly talking about Kobe.

Kobe over-taking Jerry West as the highest scoring Laker of all time has been a distraction and a news story of the last 5 games or so. Look on the ESPN, LATimes and NBA pages...all about Kobe passing up Jerry West.

Now that Kobe's passed up Jerry, it's no longer a distraction and the Lakers can focus on winning games again. There is nothing malicious pointed at Kobe, Pau's tired of the media.

Players get tired of getting asked "Is Kobe the greatest Laker?" "What do you think of Kobe passing Jerry West?"

[DAF86]

Kobe over-taking Jerry West as the highest scoring Laker of all time has been a distraction and a news story of the last 5 games or so. Look on the ESPN, LATimes and NBA pages...all about Kobe passing up Jerry West.

Now that Kobe's passed up Jerry, it's no longer a distraction and the Lakers can focus on winning games again. There is nothing malicious pointed at Kobe, Pau's tired of the media.

Players get tired of getting asked "Is Kobe the greatest Laker?" "What do you think of Kobe passing Jerry West?"

I don't know what Pau is tired of, all I know is that in that interview he was talking about Kobe.

[Allanon]

I don't know what Pau is tired of

This is an honest answer and I have no problem with it.

[lefty]

Kobe is a good player

He has an interesting potential

[JamStone]

I'd be interested to find out how many among all these posters who continue to bash Kobe and try to find every single thing to discredit him were also ones who claimed that they would stop talking shit about Kobe once Kobe won a title without Shaq or once Kobe was the go-to guy on a championship team. There were plenty of those Kobe detractors who said something to that effect, that once Kobe did win it all without Shaq as the main guy, they'd stop their hate. But, Kobe haters refuse to do so. They'll find any reason to hate the guy, to continue to bash the guy, to discredit his greatness.

Now, I can understand people hating on Kobe because he's an asshole or because he's not a likable guy. I even agree that he's selfish. I'll buy that sales pitch. But, people who just want to suggest he sucks or isn't all that great and continue to obsess over anything and everything Kobe is starting to get kind of scary.

I also realize some of it is reactionary to the Kobe knob slobbers. That's somewhat understandable. But, give the guy some credit. When he shoots 30 shots a game and shoots 30% from the floor he's a ballhog and any old average NBA player could do what he does. When he shoots 30 shots but shoots 60% from the floor, he's still a selfish glory hound... it's no matter what. Earlier this very year, Kobe had a game where he scored 44 points and still dished out 11 assists and only 1 turnover in a 6 point win, meaning he didn't stat pad. You know what, Kobe haters would still find a way to discredit it. "Hey, look at the competition though" or "LeBron would have gotten a triple double."

It's sick. I'm really beginning to think Kobe-hate is an actual disease...

[Killakobe81]

I'd be interested to find out how many among all these posters who continue to bash Kobe and try to find every single thing to discredit him were also ones who claimed that they would stop talking shit about Kobe once Kobe won a title without Shaq or once Kobe was the go-to guy on a championship team. There were plenty of those Kobe detractors who said something to that effect, that once Kobe did win it all without Shaq as the main guy, they'd stop their hate. But, Kobe haters refuse to do so. They'll find any reason to hate the guy, to continue to bash the guy, to discredit his greatness.

Now, I can understand people hating on Kobe because he's an asshole or because he's not a likable guy. I even agree that he's selfish. I'll buy that sales pitch. But, people who just want to suggest he sucks or isn't all that great and continue to obsess over anything and everything Kobe is starting to get kind of scary.

I also realize some of it is reactionary to the Kobe knob slobbers. That's somewhat understandable. But, give the guy some credit. When he shoots 30 shots a game and shoots 30% from the floor he's a ballhog and any old average NBA player could do what he does. When he shoots 30 shots but shoots 60% from the floor, he's still a selfish glory hound... it's no matter what. Earlier this very year, Kobe had a game where he scored 44 points and still dished out 11 assists and only 1 turnover in a 6 point win, meaning he didn't stat pad. You know what, Kobe haters would still find a way to discredit it. "Hey, look at the competition though" or "LeBron would have gotten a triple double."

It's sick. I'm really beginning to think Kobe-hate is an actual disease...

Great post. to be fair I think some of the lastes hate stems from Sportscenter going all gaga over Kobe last night. If I didnt like Kobe I would of found it a bit much.
But at the same time they go apeshit over Lebron 24/7 some hate it many on here love it ...

I hate the the way the media slobs Farve but I dont keep posting the same crap about him on NFL threads ...Farve is great but all time greatest with ONE Super Bowl?

I know you need teammates but at the end of the day great player complememnt other great players and raise the level of role players and find a way to WIN MULTIPLE titles if you do NOT or until you DO you are not the BEST end of story ...

BUT when Lebron does get his ...I will not hate on him or his game. surei hate the Chosen one tatoo and dance routines but I LOVE his game and his size/speed ratio ...

anyone that can not appreciate him or Kobe just don't appreciate greatness ..

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd be interested to find out how many among all these posters who continue to bash Kobe and try to find every single thing to discredit him were also ones who claimed that they would stop talking shit about Kobe once Kobe won a title without Shaq or once Kobe was the go-to guy on a championship team. There were plenty of those Kobe detractors who said something to that effect, that once Kobe did win it all without Shaq as the main guy, they'd stop their hate. But, Kobe haters refuse to do so. They'll find any reason to hate the guy, to continue to bash the guy, to discredit his greatness.

Now, I can understand people hating on Kobe because he's an asshole or because he's not a likable guy. I even agree that he's selfish. I'll buy that sales pitch. But, people who just want to suggest he sucks or isn't all that great and continue to obsess over anything and everything Kobe is starting to get kind of scary.

I also realize some of it is reactionary to the Kobe knob slobbers. That's somewhat understandable. But, give the guy some credit. When he shoots 30 shots a game and shoots 30% from the floor he's a ballhog and any old average NBA player could do what he does. When he shoots 30 shots but shoots 60% from the floor, he's still a selfish glory hound... it's no matter what. Earlier this very year, Kobe had a game where he scored 44 points and still dished out 11 assists and only 1 turnover in a 6 point win, meaning he didn't stat pad. You know what, Kobe haters would still find a way to discredit it. "Hey, look at the competition though" or "LeBron would have gotten a triple double."

It's sick. I'm really beginning to think Kobe-hate is an actual disease...

:rollin

[ChrisRichards]

I'd be interested to find out how many among all these posters who continue to bash Kobe and try to find every single thing to discredit him were also ones who claimed that they would stop talking shit about Kobe once Kobe won a title without Shaq or once Kobe was the go-to guy on a championship team. There were plenty of those Kobe detractors who said something to that effect, that once Kobe did win it all without Shaq as the main guy, they'd stop their hate. But, Kobe haters refuse to do so. They'll find any reason to hate the guy, to continue to bash the guy, to discredit his greatness.

Now, I can understand people hating on Kobe because he's an asshole or because he's not a likable guy. I even agree that he's selfish. I'll buy that sales pitch. But, people who just want to suggest he sucks or isn't all that great and continue to obsess over anything and everything Kobe is starting to get kind of scary.

I also realize some of it is reactionary to the Kobe knob slobbers. That's somewhat understandable. But, give the guy some credit. When he shoots 30 shots a game and shoots 30% from the floor he's a ballhog and any old average NBA player could do what he does. When he shoots 30 shots but shoots 60% from the floor, he's still a selfish glory hound... it's no matter what. Earlier this very year, Kobe had a game where he scored 44 points and still dished out 11 assists and only 1 turnover in a 6 point win, meaning he didn't stat pad. You know what, Kobe haters would still find a way to discredit it. "Hey, look at the competition though" or "LeBron would have gotten a triple double."

It's sick. I'm really beginning to think Kobe-hate is an actual disease...

ill tell you what Jam Stoned, if Kobe wins a back to back title this year with Finals MVP and a decent shooting FG% then I would stop hatin on the man.



Until then, he's just a one hit wonder no different than Chauncey Billups. A player that just got lucky he was on a talented team.:toast

[Dro210]

lol 5 points

[j.dizzle]

Is he playin in the all-star game? I hope he doesnt even participate in that gay shit but he probably will since so many ppl go just to see him..Mother fucker needs to rest.

[MiamiHeat]

Is he playin in the all-star game? I hope he doesnt even participate in that gay shit but he probably will since so many ppl go just to see him..Mother fucker needs to rest.

2010 All-Star voting results

1. Lebron James (2,549,693)
2. Kobe Bryant (2,456,224)


Even with Kobe's chinese contacts, LeBron beat him :)

Guess they go to see LEBRON

[Allanon]

Yao effect.

Yao's teammate T-Mac took votes from Kobe and almost won a starting job on the All Star Team. He alone accounted for 1,000,000 votes.

Aaron Brooks got 600,000 votes...that's more than Derrick Rose.

That's 1.6 million votes that could have gone to Kobe but instead went to Yao's teammates.

It's actually pretty amazing that Kobe is only 100,000 behind LeBron with a 1.6 million vote handicap. That's some serious popularity.

Trevor Ariza and Scola combined for over 1,000,000 votes. LeBron would have to deal with a 1 million vote handicap if he played in Yao's conference.

In the East, there's only LeBron. If Yao played in the East, Kobe would win the All Star voting by a landslide every year.

[j.dizzle]

2010 All-Star voting results

1. Lebron James (2,549,693)
2. Kobe Bryant (2,456,224)


Even with Kobe's chinese contacts, LeBron beat him :)

Guess they go to see LEBRON
LOL son did I ever say EVERYONE goes just to see Kobe...I said he'll probably play cuz so many ppl want to see him play aka theres a lot more LA fans out there then other teams....Your act is old, only reason you always talk about Kobe is cuz your either bored & have no life or you just enjoy replies from Laker fans. :toast

[Donkeybong]

Yao effect.

Yao's teammate T-Mac took votes from Kobe and almost won a starting job on the All Star Team. He alone accounted for 1,000,000 votes.

Aaron Brooks got 600,000 votes...that's more than Derrick Rose.

That's 1.6 million votes that could have gone to Kobe but instead went to Yao's teammates.

It's actually pretty amazing that Kobe is only 100,000 behind LeBron with a 1.6 million vote handicap. That's some serious popularity.

Trevor Ariza and Scola combined for over 1,000,000 votes. LeBron would have to deal with a 1 million vote handicap if he played in Yao's conference.

In the East, there's only LeBron. If Yao played in the East, Kobe would win the All Star voting by a landslide every year.

Didn't even think about that. Excellent point. :toast

[himat]

ill tell you what Jam Stoned, if Kobe wins a back to back title this year with Finals MVP and a decent shooting FG% then I would stop hatin on the man.



Until then, he's just a one hit wonder no different than Chauncey Billups. A player that just got lucky he was on a talented team.:toast

First off the Pistons that year were not that talented. We just played the best team ball in the league. I could name at least 5 teams who had more talent that year.

Second, Kobe is the most talented player on that talented team. He's not lucky. The guy can be a dick, but we've all heard of the stories of how dedicated Kobe has been. When you put in the work, the events that transpire are not lucky.

Kobe when he came into the league had a great moment of failure when he airballed 4 crucial shots against the Jazz in the playoffs. Yes, 4 airballs. But do you know what he did? He worked his *** off and is now an all time great.

Yes, I despise the Lakers ability to get talented players year after year. Yes I hate how every other Laker fan is a stupid bandwagon fan. But sometimes you have to give credit where credit is due.

[DazedAndConfused]

Kobe haters will never stop moving the goal posts to avoid giving the man his due props. For years all we heard from them is that Kobe couldn't win without Shaq as the main man, and when he DID do just that they now say he only has one legitimate championship.

I stopped paying attention to them a long time ago.

[Killakobe81]

ill tell you what Jam Stoned, if Kobe wins a back to back title this year with Finals MVP and a decent shooting FG% then I would stop hatin on the man.



Until then, he's just a one hit wonder no different than Chauncey Billups. A player that just got lucky he was on a talented team.:toast

Who caress?! Stat wise media love-wise, Lebron has surpassed Kobe.
And Lebron is DEFINITELY the MVP so far this season ...

He still needs a title though and when get it the title of "King" will be well deserved ...

I have said on here many times he has the chance to pass both Kobe and eventually MJ ...Just like Kobe wasnt satisfied being better thanMcgrady, Wade aI etc.
I dont think Bron willsettle for being better than Kobe ...but we NEED to see it first ...I think he will ...

[Killakobe81]

Who caress?! Stat wise media love-wise, Lebron has surpassed Kobe.
And Lebron is DEFINITELY the MVP so far this season ...

He still needs a title though and when get it the title of "King" will be well deserved ...

I have said on here many times he has the chance to pass both Kobe and eventually MJ ...Just like Kobe wasnt satisfied being better thanMcgrady, Wade aI etc.
I dont think Bron willsettle for being better than Kobe ...but we NEED to see it first ...I think he will ...

Sorry meant to quote MiamihEat yall or so much alike ...
But the one-hit wonder is Wade so far ..,nit Kobe or Chauncey both have been to MULTIPLE FINALS ...Wade and Lebron have not ...

[mystargtr34]

Kobefans are are confused at the moment. They want to celebrate the wins against the Blazers and Spurs, but they cant give the team too much credit and glory because Kobe didnt play :lol.

These last two wins have been the quiestest Laker wins this season.

[Chieflion]

Kobefans are are confused at the moment. They want to celebrate the wins against the Blazers and Spurs, but they cant give the team too much credit and glory because Kobe didnt play :lol.

These last two wins have been the quiestest Laker wins this season.
Agreed. Why do we even have an official thread for the MOP of all-time? Oh, I forgot. Oden also had a stickied thread in the past.

[Allanon]

Nothing personal against the Spurs but there's not much to talk about when the Lakers just beat a team they're supposed to beat.

No surprises here.

[Chieflion]

Nothing personal against the Spurs but there's not much to talk about when the Lakers just beat a team they're supposed to beat.

No surprises here.
That's cool. But this thread is about Kobe, so you better stick to it. Now I am going to bash Kobe in this thread and there is nothing you can do about it. :toast

[Allanon]

That's cool. But this thread is about Kobe, so you better stick to it. Now I am going to bash Kobe in this thread and there is nothing you can do about it. :toast

My apologies; please continue. :toast

[j.dizzle]

My apologies; please continue. :toast

[duncan228]

Bryant unsure about playing in All-Star game (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-lakers-bryantout&prov=ap&type=lgns)
By Beth Harris

Kobe Bryant isn’t sure if he’ll play in this weekend’s NBA All-Star game in Dallas because of his sore left ankle.

Bryant missed his second consecutive game Monday night against San Antonio, which lost to the Los Angeles Lakers 101-89.

“If I’m not able to play, I won’t play. But if I’m healthy, I will,” he said.

Bryant said he can’t push off on his left foot.

“I can’t move to play. Can’t go,” he said, adding he would be a game-time decision Wednesday at Utah. “If I’m ready to go, I’ll play.”

Lakers trainer Gary Vitti would like Bryant to rest through All-Star weekend, capped by Sunday’s game. Bryant said he couldn’t commit either way.

“I don’t know what it’s going to look like on Sunday. I’m not clairvoyant,” he said, laughing.

Bryant stayed in the lockerroom to get treatment Monday night.

“It’s frustrating. I’m not used to this. I don’t know what the hell players are supposed to do back here,” he said. “I don’t know what’s going on half the time.”

Bryant’s streak of 235 consecutive games played ended Saturday when he sat out the Lakers’ first win at Portland since 2005. He said his reputation for being a warrior who refuses to shut it down is overblown.

“I’m not an idiot. I’m not going to run through a wall just to run through a wall,” he said. “If it’s an injury where I feel like I can play through it and have it heal while I’m playing, then I’ll play. But if it’s the type of injury where it’s going to get worse when I play, then I won’t.”

Asked what percentage he needed to be at to play again, Bryant said, “If I can move, I’m good. If I can move and get to the basket, I’m good.”

Bryant originally sprained his ankle on Jan. 29 in Philadelphia. He aggravated it last week against Charlotte when teammate Lamar Odom stepped on his foot.

Already this season, he’s been playing through a fracture of his right index finger.

Andrew Bynum missed Monday night’s game because of a bruised right hip.

[Chieflion]

That is cool. Miss the all-star game. He doesn't deserve to be starting anyway. The MOP of all-time receives too much media hype about him and his shoes.

[namlook]

That is cool. Miss the all-star game. He doesn't deserve to be starting anyway. The MOP of all-time receives too much media hype about him and his shoes.

Kobe doesn't deserve to be starting? Bwhahahaha! Good one. :lmao

[BRHornet45]

Kobe just needs his ass whipped. that's all he needs. one good beat down. the dude has never earned anything his entire life aside from actually making it into the NBA. everything else has been handed to him on a silver platter. I would love nothing more than to see Kenyon Martin just knock this dude out right in the middle of the court leaving him unconscious on the floor. then at least the free throws from that would be legit.

[Killakobe81]

Enjoy the Saints BR enjoy the Saints ...
If you are so badass why dont you give Kobe the beating?

[BRHornet45]

Enjoy the Saints BR enjoy the Saints ...
If you are so badass why dont you give Kobe the beating?

son I am not a hood rat. I suggested Kenyon Martin should do the job.

[The Gemini Method]

son I am not a hood rat. I suggested Kenyon Martin should do the job.

No, but wishing someone would physically attack another person is not beyond reproach of the realm of "hood rat status." That's kind of a bitch move though.

[BRHornet45]

No, but wishing someone would physically attack another person is not beyond reproach of the realm of "hood rat status." That's kind of a bitch move though.

son everything about Kobe is a bitch move. the player, the person, etc. he is a terrible human being.

[The Gemini Method]

son everything about Kobe is a bitch move. the player, the person, etc. he is a terrible human being.

Terrible human being? Granted he isn't beyond being a douchebag and gloryhound, but that's incorrect. Wishing someone to hurt someone is a weak move. If you think he should be counted amongst the likes of Idi Amin, Hitler, and someone who kills their children whom are really terrible human beings, then you need to give up the ghost. The hate is troublesome.

[BRHornet45]

Terrible human being? Granted he isn't beyond being a douchebag and gloryhound, but that's incorrect. Wishing someone to hurt someone is a weak move. If you think he should be counted amongst the likes of Idi Amin, Hitler, and someone who kills their children whom are really terrible human beings, then you need to give up the ghost. The hate is troublesome.

son I never once compared him to Hitler or anyone like that lol. come on now, don't be silly.

[The Gemini Method]

son I never once compared him to Hitler or anyone like that lol. come on now, don't be silly.

No, you didn't directly compare him to Hitler, but when one speaks of what a "terrible human being" is--Kobe Bryant does not evoke that designation.

[BRHornet45]

No, you didn't directly compare him to Hitler, but when one speaks of what a "terrible human being" is--Kobe Bryant does not evoke that designation.


lol really? ... so every bad person in this world is comparable to an evil bastard like Hitler?

son Kobe is a terrible, spoiled rotten person but he is no Hitler. come on now be real.

[The Gemini Method]

Perhaps I overreached with the comparisons of what a terrible human being is, not is there a real definitive design on what constitutes a terrible human being. However, the main issue that first caught my attention was your comment that Kenyon Martin should attack Kobe as if that were a respectable thing to say.

[BRHornet45]

Perhaps I overreached with the comparisons of what a terrible human being is, not is there a real definitive design on what constitutes a terrible human being. However, the main issue that first caught my attention was your comment that Kenyon Martin should attack Kobe as if that were a respectable thing to say.

I stand by my comments. I would love to see Kobe get put in his place. maybe then he would learn to have some respect for the game and understand its not all about him.

[MiamiHeat]

Perhaps I overreached with the comparisons of what a terrible human being is, not is there a real definitive design on what constitutes a terrible human being. However, the main issue that first caught my attention was your comment that Kenyon Martin should attack Kobe as if that were a respectable thing to say.

because Kobe slamming little Mo Williams to the ground and 'act if I didn't see it" and not even look back is a respectable move?

because Kobe elbowing people in the face, intentionally, is a respectable move?

i can go on, dude.

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe without Gasol vs Spurs. Spurs win.


Lakers without Kobe. Gasol had superstar numbers. Lakers played as a team. Lakers win.



Lakers with Kobe vs Portland at the Garden. 0-9 for the Last 5 years.


Lakers without Kobe vs Portland at the Garden. Lakers finally win.



Hmmmmmmm.....

[MiamiHeat]

chrisrichards, have you been converted?

do you see the light now?

[Donkeybong]

lol BrHornet thinking he knows Kobe on a personal level or some shit. Is he an asshole on the bball court? Absolutely. Does that make him a terrible human being? No.

[cobbler]

Kobe without Gasol vs Spurs. Spurs win.


Lakers without Kobe. Gasol had superstar numbers. Lakers played as a team. Lakers win.



Lakers with Kobe vs Portland at the Garden. 0-9 for the Last 5 years.


Lakers without Kobe vs Portland at the Garden. Lakers finally win.



Hmmmmmmm.....

Koobe goes 8-20 and all we hear is how inefficient he is to take 20 shots to score 21 points.

Gasol goes 8-20 and its suerstar numbers!

Thanks for todays laugh!!!! :lmao

[Chieflion]

Koobe goes 8-20 and all we hear is how inefficient he is to take 20 shots to score 21 points.

Gasol goes 8-20 and its suerstar numbers!

Thanks for todays laugh!!!! :lmao
You forgot the 19 rebounds, 8 assists, 5 blocks. Kobe always gets bailed out by his superior frontcourt mate in the end. Other than that, good job. Lets talk about the MOP of all time instead of Gasol.

[ChrisRichards]

chrisrichards, have you been converted?

do you see the light now?
Motherfucker, ive been a kobe hater for years. but i try to instill logic upon doing so. bless your lost soul son.



Koobe goes 8-20 and all we hear is how inefficient he is to take 20 shots to score 21 points.

Gasol goes 8-20 and its suerstar numbers!

Thanks for todays laugh!!!! :lmao
again. if kobe can dish 8 assists, and grab 19 rebounds and block 5 shots, then i wont really give him a hard time.


but when he gives you 32 pts on 8/29 shooting with 4 turnovers and 3 assists. then we have a problem, no?

[cobbler]

Motherfucker, ive been a kobe hater for years. but i try to instill logic upon doing so. bless your lost soul son.



again. if kobe can dish 8 assists, and grab 19 rebounds and block 5 shots, then i wont really give him a hard time.


but when he gives you 32 pts on 8/29 shooting with 4 turnovers and 3 assists. then we have a problem, no?

Do you really need me to pull up all the threads and posts where nothing was discussed other than shooting %?

And that was exactly my point... if Kobe pulled in 15 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3 steals and 6 assists you would point out the 12-26 shooting. It's what you do. It's ok. Everyone understands you obsession. Alls good.

[cobbler]

You forgot the 19 rebounds, 8 assists, 5 blocks. Kobe always gets bailed out by his superior frontcourt mate in the end. Other than that, good job. Lets talk about the MOP of all time instead of Gasol.

It's absolutely amazing the Lakers don't have 17 more losses than they do being as how that superior frontcourt mate never sniffed the floor. Not to mention the 8 games on the road trip where he just stunk it up and played like a pussy.

June is going to be sweeeeeeeeeeet.... and none of you will have the balls to show up and take your medicine.

[Chieflion]

It's absolutely amazing the Lakers don't have 17 more losses than they do being as how that superior frontcourt mate never sniffed the floor. Not to mention the 8 games on the road trip where he just stunk it up.

June is going to be sweeeeeeeeeeet.... and none of you will have the balls to show up and take your medicine.
It took Kobe being out that the real Pau Gasol showed himself. See how detrimental Kobe is to his team's psyche. Kobe is not only the MOP, he is also the MUHP of all time. He also has the most cock-suckers. Not to mention Odom playing extremely well now that he can handle the ball instead of that ballhog.

[cobbler]

It took Kobe being out that the real Pau Gasol showed himself. See how detrimental Kobe is to his team's psyche. Kobe is not only the MOP, he is also the MUHP of all time. He also has the most cock-suckers. Not to mention Odom playing extremely well now that he can handle the ball instead of that ballhog.

You are a friggen idiot. Gasol plays plenty of minutes without Kobe. I can agree with you about the psyche some and Pau and PJ even commented on it last night. The laker players get so used to Kobe bailing them out late in the shot clock when they toss him the ball like a hot potato that they often stand around and don't fulfill their roles.

I mean a real idiot. Odom is the most inconsistent player maybe to ever play the game. This is something well known by everyone long before he became a Laker. Well, except you. He is the Lakers X factor for just that reason. When he is on the Lakers are practically unbeatable. Oh BTW, you do know that Odom is 6th man and primary ball handler the majority of the time he's playing right?

You really need to step up your Kobe bashing if want to achieve Miami/chris/Harlem status. Your arguments are weak.

... and it is so going to gall you to see Kobe holding the LOB. You haters make winning the title a double delight for us! :whine

[mystargtr34]

Koobe goes 8-20 and all we hear is how inefficient he is to take 20 shots to score 21 points.

Gasol goes 8-20 and its suerstar numbers!

Thanks for todays laugh!!!! :lmao

There's more to a game than scoring. If Kobe had a 19 rebound, 8 assist, 5 block game (or comparable) then i dont think you would find one person talking about an 8-20 shooting night.

Or, if Pau goes 8-20, with 5 rebounds and 2 assists and 0 blocks... then i dont think you have many people talkin him up.

[cobbler]

There's more to a game than scoring. If Kobe had a 19 rebound, 8 assist, 5 block game (or comparable) then i dont think you would find one person talking about an 8-20 shooting night.

Or, if Pau goes 8-20, with 5 rebounds and 2 assists and 0 blocks... then i dont think you have many people talkin him up.

Again, thank you for making my point yet again.

There is more to a game than scoring and shooting %. Defense, hustle, heart, desire, rebounds, steals etc etc all play a part. And yet there are thread after threads that blast Kobe simply on shooting % alone. Go figure.

[j.dizzle]

LOL Gasol had a good game vs SA, props to him..He's a good player but he's actually been playing pretty shitty lately other then that game. They're a good team without Kobe but none of them have the balls or skills to take over a game like him. Good team but Kobe puts them over the top. I actually think that Bynum starting is a problem..He slows down the whole offense & clogs up the paint..The triangle runs wayyyyy smoother with Odom in there over Andrew since he knows how to pass & meshes with Pau almost flawlessly.

[cobbler]

LOL Gasol had a good game vs SA, props to him..He's a good player but he's actually been playing pretty shitty lately other then that game. They're a good team without Kobe but none of them have the balls or skills to take over a game like him. Good team but Kobe puts them over the top. I actually think that Bynum starting is a problem..He slows down the whole offense & clogs up the paint..The triangle runs wayyyyy smoother with Odom in there over Andrew since he knows how to pass & meshes with Pau almost flawlessly.

I agree... I would actually start Odom and Brown and put Bynum and Fish on the 2nd unit. When you have the starting unit of gasol, bynum, ron, kobe, and fish there is no real slasher.

[Chieflion]

You are a friggen idiot. Gasol plays plenty of minutes without Kobe. I can agree with you about the psyche some and Pau and PJ even commented on it last night. The laker players get so used to Kobe bailing them out late in the shot clock when they toss him the ball like a hot potato that they often stand around and don't fulfill their roles.

I mean a real idiot. Odom is the most inconsistent player maybe to ever play the game. This is something well known by everyone long before he became a Laker. Well, except you. He is the Lakers X factor for just that reason. When he is on the Lakers are practically unbeatable. Oh BTW, you do know that Odom is 6th man and primary ball handler the majority of the time he's playing right?

You really need to step up your Kobe bashing if want to achieve Miami/chris/Harlem status. Your arguments are weak.

... and it is so going to gall you to see Kobe holding the LOB. You haters make winning the title a double delight for us! :whine
Bunch of bullshit in general. Gasol averages 36.6 minutes and Kobe averages 38.6 minutes a game. So, where does Gasol play plenty of minutes without Kobe? They most probably play at least half the game together. What? 7-10 minutes a game is plenty of minutes? I see Laker fan failed his math.

Odom is inconsistent on the Lakers and he averages 31.2 minutes. So that bullshit about Odom not playing with Kobe, you can cross that shit out of the window. And what a coincidence he stepped up when Kobe, the one with a 33.1% usage rate (Great, what a ballhog, the offense stops and Kobe uses up 1/3 of his team's posession while assist rate actually dropped), was out, Odom played his best ball because he gets to handle the ball more and play better. Coincidence? I think not, because if you get more touches, there is a higher chance to put up some stats. I maintain that Kobe is very lucky to win a championship being the extremely selfish player he is.

Sorry, Laker fan not only fails at math, but simple logic and statistics prove Kobe is a ballhog, destroying all of his opinions. Before you shit on me, and call me out to say that LeBron James has a 33.9% usage rate (just for reference), note that he was playing point forward/guard because his point guards are out and that he has a higher assist rate than Kobe "I hog the ball because MJ is my goal" Bryant.

[HarlemHeat37]

Don't waste your time Chief..I didn't read what Gobbler is saying, but it's probably his usual inaccurate and illogical BS..

[Chieflion]

Don't waste your time Chief..I didn't read what Gobbler is saying, but it's probably his usual inaccurate and illogical BS..
Nah, that is just a Laker fan being a Laker fan, probably chanting Kobe, Kobe like the buddhist sutra in the bathroom, in their sleep, and even when they are having sex.

[ChrisRichards]

. They're a good team without Kobe but none of them have the balls or skills to take over a game like him.
see heres my problem with kobe fans


kobe fans anticipates a close game for kobe to close out, they take pride shoving kobe's buzzer beaters down everyones throats. sacramento kings, milwaukee bucks and miami heat, i mean these are teams the Lakers should be stomping easily, not beating in a closing second. forget team ball, let kobe take that glory.:rolleyes



laker fans in general take pride and joy watching their team win effortless (like the san antonio game for example) and play collectively as a unit. kobe fans are actually disaapointed with the fact the lakers are winning convincingly w/o kobe.

[ChrisRichards]

Again, thank you for making my point yet again.

There is more to a game than scoring and shooting %. Defense, hustle, heart, desire, rebounds, steals etc etc all play a part. And yet there are thread after threads that blast Kobe simply on shooting % alone. Go figure.
You have to understand that the FG% is not the issue with Kobe. Its his desire to simply stray away from the offense and focus on isolations and making highlight plays.


Kobe's much more effective at 24 points a game and focusing on being a playmaker and putting a bit more effort on defense.


Kobe's just a dumb great athlete. People talk about his smarts and all, but I honestly dont see that. If Kobe is smart, he will utilitze the strengths of his teammates.



Lebron's the perfect example of what im talking about. Mo Williams goes down and what did Bron do? He settled for less scoring and involved his teammates. he's averaging a ridiculous 10 APG since Mo went down, and Oh, he's leading the Cavs to a 12 game winning streak.


Kobe injures his fingers, what happens? Dude shoots 30 times a night making 30% of it while his teammates watch him chuck it away lol.

[ambchang]

JBSRCruhv_c

Proof positive that Kobe is as good as Jordan sons.

[Killakobe81]

yeah Lebron ... gets assists but also chucks 3's from the logo at half-court ...no prob;lem with you guys calling out Kobe ( i yell at my TV at times) but do the same to Lebron ...

[Allanon]

It took 2 broken fingers and a sprained ankle for Kobe to sit out.

Nobody else comes close.

[The Gemini Method]

I'm hoping he sits down tonight in SLC...

It's the land where fouls are forgotten and I'm sure there is going to be some slapping and grabbing of the injured finger. It would serve him well to sit this game out and the ASG to heal more. Let the rest of the team get more and more in-synch for a future run during the playoffs.

[Allanon]

I'm hoping he sits down tonight in SLC...

It's the land where fouls are forgotten and I'm sure there is going to be some slapping and grabbing of the injured finger. It would serve him well to sit this game out and the ASG to heal more. Let the rest of the team get more and more in-synch for a future run during the playoffs.

I agree. Because he Lakers beat the Spurs/Blazers they can afford a loss; but they can't afford not having a healthy Kobe to finish the year.

Kobe needs to let that broken finger and ankle heal up.

[lefty]

You have to understand that the FG% is not the issue with Kobe. Its his desire to simply stray away from the offense and focus on isolations and making highlight plays.


Kobe's much more effective at 24 points a game and focusing on being a playmaker and putting a bit more effort on defense.


Kobe's just a dumb great athlete. People talk about his smarts and all, but I honestly dont see that. If Kobe is smart, he will utilitze the strengths of his teammates.



Lebron's the perfect example of what im talking about. Mo Williams goes down and what did Bron do? He settled for less scoring and involved his teammates. he's averaging a ridiculous 10 APG since Mo went down, and Oh, he's leading the Cavs to a 12 game winning streak.


Kobe injures his fingers, what happens? Dude shoots 30 times a night making 30% of it while his teammates watch him chuck it away lol.


/Thread

[cobbler]

Odom is inconsistent on the Lakers and he averages 31.2 minutes. So that bullshit about Odom not playing with Kobe, you can cross that shit out of the window. And what a coincidence he stepped up when Kobe, the one with a 33.1% usage rate (Great, what a ballhog, the offense stops and Kobe uses up 1/3 of his team's posession while assist rate actually dropped), was out, Odom played his best ball because he gets to handle the ball more and play better. Coincidence? I think not, because if you get more touches, there is a higher chance to put up some stats. I maintain that Kobe is very lucky to win a championship being the extremely selfish player he is.

Sorry, Laker fan not only fails at math, but simple logic and statistics prove Kobe is a ballhog, destroying all of his opinions. Before you shit on me, and call me out to say that LeBron James has a 33.9% usage rate (just for reference), note that he was playing point forward/guard because his point guards are out and that he has a higher assist rate than Kobe "I hog the ball because MJ is my goal" Bryant.

You want to talk numbers then we can talk numbers. Of course, as I have mentioned many many times, you dont get desire, determination, hustle, leadership etc when talking stats. But anyway, just for you and all the haters who are spewing how much better the players are without Kobe and use Gasols numbers against the Spurs as your proof.

Scoring: season -- SA game

Kobe Bryant 22.4 .461 -- N/A
Andrew Bynum 10.7 .568 -- N/A

Pau Gasol 12.4 .519 -- 20 .400
Ron Artest 9.8 .428 -- 16 .375
Lamar Odom 8.6 .444 -- 13 .461
Shannon Brown 6.5 .454 -- 13 .230
Jordan Farmar 6.6 .437 -- 7 .714
Derek Fisher 6.6 .387 -- 9 .666
Josh Powell 3.5 .350 -- 3 .000
Luke Walton 2.6 .417 -- 3 .333
Sasha Vujacic 2 2.0 .414 -- 3 1.0

Adam Morrison 2.9 .377 -- N/A
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga 2.0 .458 -- N/A

33.1 shots lost from kobe and drew

gasol +7.6 -.119
artest +6.2 -.053
odom +4.4 +.017
brown +6.5 -.224
fisher +2.4 +.279
= 27.1 shots above average for season for a negative shooting % of -0.100

6 of 9 players shot worse than their season average. Are you kidding me? Gasol who complains in the media (a definite no no among the haters) about touches gets almost 8 more simply because Kobe and Drew arent playing and his % goes down? I thought the offense was running so much smoother without Kobe. How does the shooting % of the MAJORITY of the team go down when everything is so much better and the ball is being distributed? Go figure!


Assists: season -- SA game

Kobe Bryant 4.6 --
Andrew Bynum 1.2 --

5.8 assists lost from kobe and drew

Pau Gasol 3.5 -- 8
Ron Artest 3.1 -- 4
Lamar Odom 3.6 -- 3
Shannon Brown 1.3 -- 3
Jordan Farmar 1.8 -- 1
Derek Fisher 2.5 -- 0
Josh Powell 0.5 -- 0
Luke Walton 1.2 -- 1
Sasha Vujacic 0.5 -- 0

gasol +4.5
artest +.9
odom -.6
fisher -2.5
brown +1.7
farmar -.8
= 3 assists above average for season

So Gasol, Artest, and Brown basically take the assists left over in Kobe and Drews absence. How does the overall shooting % go down if were all assist happy? Supposedly the ball was moving so much better since it was out of the ballhogs hands. Yet, why did the group only gain 3 assists of the 5.8 left by kobe/bynum? Why if the offense is moving so great and not stagnated by the chucker did this group not get 10+ more assists than their average? Go figure.


Rebounds: season -- SA game

Kobe Bryant 5.3 --
Andrew Bynum 8.2 --

13.5 rebounds lost from kobe and drew

Pau Gasol 11 -- 19
Ron Artest 4.5 -- 5
Lamar Odom 9.9 -- 10
Shannon Brown 2.0 -- 1
Jordan Farmar 1.7 -- 2
Derek Fisher 2.3 -- 1
Josh Powell 1.7 -- 2
Luke Walton 1.4 -- 4
Sasha Vujacic 1.1 -- 1

gasol +8
artest +.5
odom +.1
fisher -1.3
brown -1.0
farmar +.3
= 6.6 rebounds above average for season

Only Gasol rebounded at a higher rate. All others were basically in their season average range. Gasol if you remember had 17 to 19 rebounds over several games even with the cancer playing earlier in the year. Oh look, Drew didnt play and gasol grabbed his rebounds. Go figure.


As for Odom. You said he played so much better. Yet look. He only shot .017 better than his season average. Yet look. His assists were lower than his season average by .6 assists. Rebounds? Wow... Lamar got 10 which is soooo much better than his 9.9 season average. He played the same way he's always played.

.... and you make a comment like "Odom played his best ball because he gets to handle the ball more and play better. Coincidence? I think not, because if you get more touches, there is a higher chance to put up some stats. I maintain that Kobe is very lucky to win a championship being the extremely selfish player he is."?

Hmmmmmm Look who sucks at math now! :lmao

[cobbler]

Dude, it's like every Kobe hate door they try and open, some good ol LAker fan just slams it shut on their greasy little fingers.

I had some free time while twiddling my thumbs at work! :toast

Should I create some stats showing how many of those shots Kobe chucks are after being passed the ball from another in a panic late in the clock? :lol

[Chieflion]

You want to talk numbers then we can talk numbers. Of course, as I have mentioned many many times, you dont get desire, determination, hustle, leadership etc when talking stats. But anyway, just for you and all the haters who are spewing how much better the players are without Kobe and use Gasols numbers against the Spurs as your proof.

Scoring: season -- SA game

Kobe Bryant 22.4 .461 -- N/A
Andrew Bynum 10.7 .568 -- N/A

Pau Gasol 12.4 .519 -- 20 .400
Ron Artest 9.8 .428 -- 16 .375
Lamar Odom 8.6 .444 -- 13 .461
Shannon Brown 6.5 .454 -- 13 .230
Jordan Farmar 6.6 .437 -- 7 .714
Derek Fisher 6.6 .387 -- 9 .666
Josh Powell 3.5 .350 -- 3 .000
Luke Walton 2.6 .417 -- 3 .333
Sasha Vujacic 2 2.0 .414 -- 3 1.0

Adam Morrison 2.9 .377 -- N/A
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga 2.0 .458 -- N/A

33.1 shots lost from kobe and drew

gasol +7.6 -.119
artest +6.2 -.053
odom +4.4 +.017
brown +6.5 -.224
fisher +2.4 +.279
= 27.1 shots above average for season for a negative shooting % of -0.100

6 of 9 players shot worse than their season average. Are you kidding me? Gasol who complains in the media (a definite no no among the haters) about touches gets almost 8 more simply because Kobe and Drew arent playing and his % goes down? I thought the offense was running so much smoother without Kobe. How does the shooting % of the MAJORITY of the team go down when everything is so much better and the ball is being distributed? Go figure!


Assists: season -- SA game

Kobe Bryant 4.6 --
Andrew Bynum 1.2 --

5.8 assists lost from kobe and drew

Pau Gasol 3.5 -- 8
Ron Artest 3.1 -- 4
Lamar Odom 3.6 -- 3
Shannon Brown 1.3 -- 3
Jordan Farmar 1.8 -- 1
Derek Fisher 2.5 -- 0
Josh Powell 0.5 -- 0
Luke Walton 1.2 -- 1
Sasha Vujacic 0.5 -- 0

gasol +4.5
artest +.9
odom -.6
fisher -2.5
brown +1.7
farmar -.8
= 3 assists above average for season

So Gasol, Artest, and Brown basically take the assists left over in Kobe and Drews absence. How does the overall shooting % go down if were all assist happy? Supposedly the ball was moving so much better since it was out of the ballhogs hands. Yet, why did the group only gain 3 assists of the 5.8 left by kobe/bynum? Why if the offense is moving so great and not stagnated by the chucker did this group not get 10+ more assists than their average? Go figure.


Rebounds: season -- SA game

Kobe Bryant 5.3 --
Andrew Bynum 8.2 --

13.5 rebounds lost from kobe and drew

Pau Gasol 11 -- 19
Ron Artest 4.5 -- 5
Lamar Odom 9.9 -- 10
Shannon Brown 2.0 -- 1
Jordan Farmar 1.7 -- 2
Derek Fisher 2.3 -- 1
Josh Powell 1.7 -- 2
Luke Walton 1.4 -- 4
Sasha Vujacic 1.1 -- 1

gasol +8
artest +.5
odom +.1
fisher -1.3
brown -1.0
farmar +.3
= 6.6 rebounds above average for season

Only Gasol rebounded at a higher rate. All others were basically in their season average range. Gasol if you remember had 17 to 19 rebounds over several games even with the cancer playing earlier in the year. Oh look, Drew didnt play and gasol grabbed his rebounds. Go figure.


As for Odom. You said he played so much better. Yet look. He only shot .017 better than his season average. Yet look. His assists were lower than his season average by .6 assists. Rebounds? Wow... Lamar got 10 which is soooo much better than his 9.9 season average. He played the same way he's always played.

.... and you make a comment like "Odom played his best ball because he gets to handle the ball more and play better. Coincidence? I think not, because if you get more touches, there is a higher chance to put up some stats. I maintain that Kobe is very lucky to win a championship being the extremely selfish player he is."?

Hmmmmmm Look who sucks at math now! :lmao
Some people don't understand that missing shots = no assists. Anyone who watched the game could tell you the ball movement was better than when Kobe "ballbog" Bryant was playing. The Lakers were just missing their easy shots, unlike Kobe who forces up some of the most stupid shots ever.


Pau Gasol 13.9 WS
Kobe Bryant 12.7 WS
Lakers 30-7 with Pau
Lakers 10-6 without Pau

Beat that!

[MiamiHeat]

I agree. Because he Lakers beat the Spurs/Blazers they can afford a loss; but they can't afford not having a healthy Kobe to finish the year.

Kobe needs to let that broken finger and ankle heal up.

No faith in your team without kobe eh? this isn't 2004, you can update your brain.

Your team is stacked as fuck. They smacked the Jazz and won by 15.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL, we told them Heat..not like it wasn't obvious..

LOL @ Gobbler's argument about the shot clock..that's what it's come down to now? LOL..

[Chieflion]

To think he had the gall to post that after the Jazz game. Odom, 25 points and 11 rebounds. Gasol, 22 points and 19 rebounds. All without Kobe.

[HarlemHeat37]

Well I feel a little sympathy for them..Kobe's value is clearly inferior to Gasol's, which speaks volumes on his impact..they have to find trivial arguments now..

[cobbler]

To think he had the gall to post that after the Jazz game. Odom, 25 points and 11 rebounds. Gasol, 22 points and 19 rebounds. All without Kobe.

Seriously now. Use your brain or what little bit of one you have. You are taking away 35 points, 6 assists, and 13 rebounds with Bryant and Bynum gone. If Gasol and Odom, clearly the next best players on the Lakers don't take up that slack then who is?

Facts are facts. You pointed out earlier after the Spurs game that Odom was playing so much better without Kobe and it showed in his stats. I clearly showed you the numbers that say different. You have no argument other than to say Kobe is a ballhog. BRILLIANT!!!

I show you that assists and rebounds were basically the same and where the lost ones due to Kobe and Drews absence came from. Your reply is well they just missed the shots? Well then... if they "just missed the shots" then they DIDNT play better without Kobe. So thank you for supporting my points.

Why do you guys care so much about the Lakers and Kobe? Seriously. Why do you go to these extremes? Are you so butthurt that some player you don't like gets attention that you feel the need to obsess about said player? Makes no sense to me. I personally cannot stand KG. I may make a post here and there in a thread about his doucheness and move on. How pathetic it would be should I feel the need to create thread after thread, post after post, about KG. He's not worth the time. Apparently Kobe is... to you. :lol

It really has to be sooo sad to be you...

[Chieflion]

Seriously now. Use your brain or what little bit of one you have. You are taking away 35 points, 6 assists, and 13 rebounds with Bryant and Bynum gone. If Gasol and Odom, clearly the next best players on the Lakers don't take up that slack then who is?

Facts are facts. You pointed out earlier after the Spurs game that Odom was playing so much better without Kobe and it showed in his stats. I clearly showed you the numbers that say different. You have no argument other than to say Kobe is a ballhog. BRILLIANT!!!

I show you that assists and rebounds were basically the same and where the lost ones due to Kobe and Drews absence came from. Your reply is well they just missed the shots? Well then... if they "just missed the shots" then they DIDNT play better without Kobe. So thank you for supporting my points.

Why do you guys care so much about the Lakers and Kobe? Seriously. Why do you go to these extremes? Are you so butthurt that some player you don't like gets attention that you feel the need to obsess about said player? Makes no sense to me. I personally cannot stand KG. I may make a post here and there in a thread about his doucheness and move on. How pathetic it would be should I feel the need to create thread after thread, post after post, about KG. He's not worth the time. Apparently Kobe is... to you. :lol

It really has to be sooo sad to be you...
That's cool with all the insults and all. but I didn't start this thread. And it is quite obvious you are butthurt. You can use this thread as the Lakers forum of Spurstalk if you wish because Laker fans = Kobe fans. Nothing more. If you don't like me speaking the truth, ya, feel free to act like namlook and add me on your VIP list.

[cobbler]

That's cool with all the insults and all. but I didn't start this thread. And it is quite obvious you are butthurt. You can use this thread as the Lakers forum of Spurstalk if you wish because Laker fans = Kobe fans. Nothing more. If you don't like me speaking the truth, ya, feel free to act like namlook and add me on your VIP list.

You didnt answer any of the questions.

I'm not butthurt at all. Im a Laker fan and I root and stick up for them. I certainly realize Kobe shoots too much sometimes. I also realize Gasol can disappear and be a pussy for stretches. That Bynum gets lost. Etc etc. The Lakers are at their best when Kobe takes around 20-22 shots and everybody plays their role. Often, Many of the supporting cast depend too much on him and don't fulfill their roles and that is where my "clock" comment came from. PJ and Gasol even commented on such in the same interviews that the "not getting my touches" quotes came from but hey, well ignore those.

You guys make it ALL about Kobe and thats what you do. It's ok. Your butthurt and obsessed with a player thats not even on the team you root for. We all get it. It's not like you and the miami/chris/harlems aren't the laughing stock of forum. We all know you are.

Funny... I haven't heard one word how the Lakers are playing so much better since Bynum went out. Oh so odd.

I dont mind you speaking at all. And when you post total BS I am going to point it out as I did.

Laker fans = Kobe fans Nothing more. Really? You honestly believe that?

Like I said... gotta be sad to be you.

[Chieflion]

You didnt answer any of the questions.

I'm not butthurt at all. Im a Laker fan and I root and stick up for them. I certainly realize Kobe shoots too much sometimes. I also realize Gasol can disappear and be a pussy for stretches. That Bynum gets lost. Etc etc. The Lakers are at their best when Kobe takes around 20-22 shots and everybody plays their role. Often, Many of the supporting cast depend too much on him and don't fulfill their roles and that is where my "clock" comment came from. PJ and Gasol even commented on such in the same interviews that the "not getting my touches" quotes came from but hey, well ignore those.

You guys make it ALL about Kobe and thats what you do. It's ok. Your butthurt and obsessed with a player thats not even on the team you root for. We all get it. It's not like you and the miami/chris/harlems aren't the laughing stock of forum. We all know you are.

I dont mind you speaking at all. And when you post total BS I am going to point it out as I did.

Laker fans = Kobe fans Nothing more. Really? You honestly believe that?

Like I said... gotta be sad to be you.
The only reason we are the "laughing stock" of the forum is because this forum is filled with Kobe fans who think that defending Kobe is like defending their precious religion. LOL at you pointing out I am posting total BS when that is all you do on this forum. You are obviously butthurt. We tell you the facts, you say it is BS. Just put me on your VIP list, dumbass Laker fans, oops, Kobe fan. I know it is a sad period to be a Kobe fan. Sad to be you.

[HarlemHeat37]

I guarantee you that if you made a poll about who has more credibility, we would beat Gobbler by a huge margin..

[Chieflion]

I guarantee you that if you made a poll about who has more credibility, we would beat Gobbler by a huge margin..
How about this? I guarantee my Spurs trolls have more credibility than cobbler if a poll was made.

[cobbler]

The only reason we are the "laughing stock" of the forum is because this forum is filled with Kobe fans who think that defending Kobe is like defending their precious religion. LOL at you pointing out I am posting total BS when that is all you do on this forum. You are obviously butthurt. We tell you the facts, you say it is BS. Just put me on your VIP list, dumbass Laker fans, oops, Kobe fan. I know it is a sad period to be a Kobe fan. Sad to be you.


Thanks for realizing and admitting your laughing stock status. It can clearly be proven that the majority of forum posters here are not Kobe fans so your reasoning for the status is incorrect but I'll let you slide on that.

All I do on the forum? Show me where I posted BS numbers. You clearly stated that Odom posted better numbers in the game and you qualified it by saying it was due to Kobes absence. I clearly showed you his numbers were basically the same as they have been all year and that some even went down. You cannot refute fact. And a reply of well Kobe is a ballhog just doesnt cut it.

Oh yeah... going into the all star break with the 2nd best record in the NBA (playing in the toughest conference) and favorites to win the LOB. All this while our #1 player has been playing hurt, our #2 missed 17 games, and the various other nagging injuries others. I'm so so so sad! :lmao

How's your team doing?

[Chieflion]

Thanks for realizing and admitting your laughing stock status. It can clearly be proven that the majority of forum posters here are not Kobe fans so your reasoning for the status is incorrect but I'll let you slide on that.

All I do on the forum? Show me where I posted BS numbers. You clearly stated that Odom posted better numbers in the game and you qualified it by saying it was due to Kobes absence. I clearly showed you his numbers were basically the same as they have been all year and that some even went down. You cannot refute fact. And a reply of well Kobe is a ballhog just doesnt cut it.

Oh yeah... going into the all star break with the 2nd best record in the NBA (playing in the toughest conference) and favorites to win the LOB. I'm so so so sad! :lmao

How's your team doing?
Laughing stock status given by a Laker/Kobe fan? Figures. You guys can't even read a sentence completely without grasping a simple concept of a sentence. Sorry, you guys are not the favorites to win the LOB, the Cavs are. Laker/Kobe fan = internet gangsters of the NBA. Just because my favorite team sucks means I can't talk basketball? Kori and timvp should close down Spurstalk then.

[cobbler]

How about this? I guarantee my Spurs trolls have more credibility than cobbler if a poll was made.

Honest question. Give me an honest answer. Have either of you actually played the game? And I am not talking schoolyard or gradeschool. Have you ever played on a team? High School? College? Semi Pro? Pro?

[cobbler]

Laughing stock status given by a Laker/Kobe fan? Figures. You guys can't even read a sentence completely without grasping a simple concept of a sentence. Sorry, you guys are not the favorites to win the LOB, the Cavs are. Laker/Kobe fan = internet gangsters of the NBA. Just because my favorite team sucks means I can't talk basketball? Kori and timvp should close down Spurstalk then.

Gosh this is soooo easy.

Lakers odds to win LOB 2/1
Cavs 5/2


Do you honestly think it's only Laker fans who see the absurdity of your Kobe bashing? Think again.

[Chieflion]

Honest question. Give me an honest answer. Have either of you actually played the game? And I am not talking schoolyard or gradeschool. Have you ever played on a team? High School? College? Semi Pro? Pro?
Give me the genetics of an American or something, and maybe I would play in the US. Singapore is never thought of to be a sports country and short people don't get a chance to play basketball at any level. It is the situation. But your question has nothing to do with Kobe and my Spurstalk trolls still have more credibility than you have.

[j.dizzle]

LOL at all the butthurt ppl on this forum..Keep it goin, this shit is fun to read.

[Cane]

It can clearly be proven that the majority of forum posters here are not Kobe fans so your reasoning for the status is incorrect but I'll let you slide on that.


True but the Kobe fans are a loud and passionate minority. Thats not to say there aren't dipshits from the Spurs side as well and not to mention this place is trash talk friendly.

[Chieflion]

Gosh this is soooo easy.

Lakers odds to win LOB 2/1
Cavs 5/2


Do you honestly think it's only Laker fans who see the absurdity of your Kobe bashing? Think again.
The record this season speaks otherwise and the ass kicking the Cavs gave the Lakers says otherwise too.

[cobbler]

Give me the genetics of an American or something, and maybe I would play in the US. Singapore is never thought of to be a sports country and short people don't get a chance to play basketball at any level. It is the situation. But your question has nothing to do with Kobe and my Spurstalk trolls still have more credibility than you have.

It has a lot to do with knowing basketball, team dynamics, the subtle aspects of the game, and all the other attributes it takes to be a player.

Your answer explains a lot. Thanks! :toast

[cobbler]

The record this season speaks otherwise and the ass kicking the Cavs gave the Lakers says otherwise too.

Oh yeah... that 42-11 record playing in the weak ass east is clearly dominating the Lakers pathetic 41-13. I'm curious also, has Orlando built a trophy case for their LOB last year since they must have won due to their regular season ass kickings they gave the Lakers last year?

I said the Lakers are the favorites. You say the Cavs.

I showed you the Vegas odds as they stand right now. The Lakers ARE the favorites. Case closed.

[Chieflion]

It has a lot to do with knowing basketball, team dynamics, the subtle aspects of the game, and all the other attributes it takes to be a player.

Your answer explains a lot. Thanks! :toast
Unlike you, I wouldn't lie about what I do. Cause you have gone off-topic.

[Chieflion]

Oh yeah... that 42-11 record playing in the weak ass east is clearly dominating the Lakers pathetic 41-13. I'm curious also, has Orlando built a trophy case for their LOB last year since they must have won due to their regular season ass kickings they gave the Lakers last year?

I said the Lakers are the favorites. You say the Cavs.

I showed you the Vegas odds as they stand right now. The Lakers ARE the favorites. Case closed.
You clearly don't understand your mother tongue. I said they were the favorites, not that they have won the LOB. You mad or what? I said the Cavs are favorites, cause I have eyes, not because of Vegas odds. The Cavs bigs are physical and big enough to ensure the Lakers frontcourt have a tough time to produce while LeBron > Kobe.

[cobbler]

You clearly don't understand your mother tongue. I said they were the favorites, not that they have won the LOB. You mad or what? I said the Cavs are favorites, cause I have eyes, not because of Vegas odds. The Cavs bigs are physical and big enough to ensure the Lakers frontcourt have a tough time to produce while LeBron > Kobe.

And you clearly don't grasp sarcasm.

We heard the same stories last year.

...and after your Lamar comments from the other day, if I was you, I'd get those eyes looked at!

[cobbler]

Unlike you, I wouldn't lie about what I do. Cause you have gone off-topic.

I applaud you for your honesty. Truly

I don't quite follow you though, where did I lie about what I do? Not quite sure where you are going there.

Off topic? I guess. My bad. I am just curious how much actual ball some of you guys have played since you profess to know so much about team dynamics.

[Chieflion]

And you clearly don'e grasp sarcasm.

We heard the same stories last year.

...and after your Lamar comments from the other day, if I was you, I'd get those eyes looked at!
I didn't comment on your sarcasm. You stupid or what? Again, your English blows. It is "If I were you", not "If I was you". You better just put me on your VIP list and stop replying.

[Chieflion]

I applaud you for your honesty. Truly

I don't quite follow you though, where did I lie about what I do? Not quite sure where you are going there.

Off topic? I guess. My bad. I am just curious how much actual ball some of you guys have played since you profess to know so much about team dynamics.
Find me one statement that says I know more team dynamics than cobbler. Go find it before spouting such nonsense.

[cobbler]

I didn't comment on your sarcasm. You stupid or what? Again, your English blows. It is "If I were you", not "If I was you". You better just put me on your VIP list and stop replying.

Now you have resorted to being a grammar nazi? hahahahahahaha

[cobbler]

Find me one statement that says I know more team dynamics than cobbler. Go find it before spouting such nonsense.


It took Kobe being out that the real Pau Gasol showed himself. See how detrimental Kobe is to his team's psyche. Kobe is not only the MOP, he is also the MUHP of all time. He also has the most cock-suckers. Not to mention Odom playing extremely well now that he can handle the ball instead of that ballhog.

God you are so so so easy. I think I will bid you a goodnight on that one!

Toodles

[Chieflion]

God you are so so so easy. I think I will bid you a goodnight on that one!

Toodles
How is that I know more than cobbler about team dynamics? You really fail at English. I was just repeating what Pau Gasol and Phil Jackson said.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL that was one of the worst attempts as proving somebody wrong that I've ever seen..it really looks like Gobbler just makes shit up to look better..

[mystargtr34]

LOL that was one of the worst attempts as proving somebody wrong that I've ever seen..it really looks like Gobbler just makes shit up to look better..

:lol i had to read that three times over to see where/how he owned Chieflion. And then he gave himself a wayout of the argument with the old "This is too easy im out lolzz"

[cobbler]

How is that I know more than cobbler about team dynamics? You really fail at English. I was just repeating what Pau Gasol and Phil Jackson said.

The question of you knowing more or less about team dynamics was never brought up. You simply made that up. I have no clue what you are talking about with the Gasol / Jackson reference.

I simply asked all of you guys, who are all the time spewing the team dynamic issues with Kobe, how much expierience you actually have playing the game. I think that's an honest question.

[cobbler]

:lol i had to read that three times over to see where/how he owned Chieflion. And then he gave himself a wayout of the argument with the old "This is too easy im out lolzz"

Owned? Come on... what's the big deal? Did I claim ownership?

It was easy to simply show one of many posts where he claims Kobe is bad and not good for the team psyche. How he twisted it into a chieflon knowing more than me or vice versa I have no clue.

I'm here!

[Chieflion]

I can agree with you about the psyche some and Pau and PJ even commented on it last night.

Geez. I wonder who posted this.

[cobbler]

Geez. I wonder who posted this.

that would be me....

.... apparently you didn't grasp the sarcasm there either as I was pointing out the role player deficiencies.

and what does that have to do with you knowing more or less than me?

[duncan228]

Kobe injury update (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-allstarnotes021210&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Marc J. Spears

Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant is still uncertain when he will return to action from a sprained left ankle injury that is causing him to miss Sunday’s All-Star Game.

Bryant said he is receiving treatment “around the clock” for his ankle. He said his back is fine and there is nothing he can do about his broken right index finger. Bryant, who missed the Lakers’ last three games leading into the break, will receive a minimum 10 days rest because of the layoff. It will be the first time he hasn’t participated in an All-Star Game since his rookie season in 1997.

Bryant believes the layoff will be a blessing in disguise, adding that the Western Conference-leading Lakers are “right where they want to be.”

“I’ll definitely be healthier than I was the last game, so that’s a plus,” Bryant said. “I won’t have to limp around. I won’t have to play with a lot of shortcuts. I can play with a lot of energy like I was used to playing at the start of the season.

“People make too much of this whole ‘warrior’ thing. It’s kind of silly. If it’s an injury that can get better while I continue to play, I’ll continue to play. If it won’t, I can’t.”

[Allanon]

Thanks for the update D228.

I'm still hoping Kobe rests out until the Memphis game (skip Warriors & Celtics games). There won't be any freebie rest time after Memphis

The Lakers need a healthy Kobe to go deep in the Playoffs.

[HarlemHeat37]

Lakers will be fine as long as Pau is in the lineup, don't worry..

[Allanon]

Lakers will be fine as long as Pau is in the lineup, don't worry..

Nah, Pau never even won 1 Playoff game without Kobe.

[Double-Up]

Lakers will be fine as long as Pau is in the lineup, don't worry..

Of course...:lol

[Double-Up]

Nah, Pau never even won 1 Playoff game without Kobe.

Really? Well Kobe never won shit without a skilled big man.

[Allanon]

Really? Well Kobe never won shit without a skilled big man.

And Jordan never won shit without one of the "Greatest 50 players of All Time"

Your point? :lol

[MiamiHeat]

And Jordan never won shit without one of the "Greatest 50 players of All Time"

Your point? :lol

Puhlease, 'greatest 50 players of all time' was awarded in 1996 and it has absolutely zero value as an award. It's not a real NBA award, just a celebratory anniversary thing.

Since then, Pippen has been pushed out of that top 50.

also, Pippen made that list due to MJ carrying him.

whereas, Kobe is not carrying Shaq, other way around.

and many people believe Pau=Kobe in Lakers MVP terms, or even Pau>Kobe in Lakers MVP terms.

[Allanon]

Puhlease, 'greatest 50 players of all time' was awarded in 1996 and it has absolutely zero value as an award. It's not a real NBA award, just a celebratory anniversary thing.

Since then, Pippen has been pushed out of that top 50.

also, Pippen made that list due to MJ carrying him.

whereas, Kobe is not carrying Shaq, other way around.

and many people believe Pau=Kobe in Lakers MVP terms, or even Pau>Kobe in Lakers MVP terms.

None of this changes the fact that Jordan didn't win jackshit without Pippen, one of the "50 Greatest Players of All Time".

I don't see the relevance of "Kobe can't win without a skilled big man".

"Kobe can't win without Shaq" had a much better ring to it

... oh wait :lol

[MiamiHeat]

ok, but he DID win 10 scoring titles, DPOY, 5 league MVP's, without pippen

those are individual accolades that have nothin to do with pippen :)

Kobe doesn't have them. 1 mvp in 14 seasons, 0 dpoy, 2 scoring titles in 14 years

[Allanon]

We all know Jordan is the GOAT and has great personal accolades, etc, etc.

This still has nothing to do with Kobe winning without a "skilled big man". Just like Jordan couldn't win without a "Top 50 Greatest of All time" player.

It's as irrelevant as "Kobe can't win without Shaq".

[j.dizzle]

So if Bron wins a title this year are we gonna hear "Lebron can't win without Shaq" too hahahaha this site is fuckin comedy. Its true Jordan wouldnt have won nada without Pippen but he is still the GOAT.

[MiamiHeat]

We all know Jordan is the GOAT and has great personal accolades, etc, etc.

This still has nothing to do with Kobe winning without a "skilled big man". Just like Jordan couldn't win without a "Top 50 Greatest of All time" player.

It's as irrelevant as "Kobe can't win without Shaq".

Shaq and Gasol > Pippen

period

[j.dizzle]

Shaq and Gasol > Pippen

period

Son, no offense but your're trying too hard. :toast We all understand that you wanna make Kobe look bad as much as possible but at a certain point it just gets old.

[Allanon]

Shaq and Gasol > Pippen

period

Shaq, yes. Gasol, no.

"Kobe can't win without Shaq" was clever but now it's dead.

Step up your game guys.

[MiamiHeat]

Gasol is better than Pippen.

Fact.

17 ppg, 11 rbg, 3 apg, 1.8 blocks per game.

[Allanon]

Gasol is better than Pippen.

Fact.

17 ppg, 11 rbg, 3 apg, 1.8 blocks per game.

Fact.

Pippen got to the ECF semis without Jordan. Pippen "Top 50 Greatest Player of All Time"

Gasol never won 1 Playoff game without Kobe. "3 time All Star"

[himat]

Dude you guys are such haters.

Kobe has his many flaws, but the guy wins. And even if Pippen isn't one of the 50 greatest players, he was a great player.

I hate the Lakers but GTFO with your weak arguments that Gasol is >Kobe blah blah blah.

[MiamiHeat]

Fact.

Pippen got to the ECF semis without Jordan. Pippen "Top 50 Greatest Player of All Time"

Gasol never won 1 Playoff game without Kobe. "3 time All Star"

Bulls were previously a 3 peat team prior to 94.

Memphis Grizzlies suck cock, and had no business sniffing the playoffs if not for Gasol.

try again.

[Allanon]

Bulls were previously a 3 peat team prior to 94.

Memphis Grizzlies suck cock, and had no business sniffing the playoffs if not for Gasol.

try again.

Grizzlies "sucked" enough to win 50 games.

But couldn't even win 1 game in the Playoffs.

0-12. There's no excuse for that.

Even TMac won a few playoff games and he's never been out of the first round.

Try again.

[himat]

Bulls were previously a 3 peat team prior to 94.

Memphis Grizzlies suck cock, and had no business sniffing the playoffs if not for Gasol.

try again.

But they did get to the playoffs and still couldn't win a game. The Lakers had no business competing with the Suns a few seasons back but Kobe almost lead them to a monumental upset.

You are an idiot.

[himat]

Does anyone one of your posts not talk about Kobe? I swear you have a secret man crush on him because you always talk about him.

[MiamiHeat]

Grizzlies "sucked" enough to win 50 games.

But couldn't even win 1 game in the Playoffs.

0-12. There's no excuse for that.

Even TMac won a few playoff games and he's never been out of the first round.

Try again.

2004 - Spurs
2005 - Suns
2006 - Dallas (made it to Finals)

All of those were top teams in those years.

Not comparable to a 3 peat bulls team

[Allanon]

2004 - Spurs
2005 - Suns
2006 - Dallas (made it to Finals)

All of those were top teams in those years.

Not comparable to a 3 peat bulls team

Pippen made it to the ECF semis.

Pau well, he didn't even win 1 game in the Playoffs but he won some regular season games against these "Top teams".
2004 Spurs vs Grizz - Grizz beat Spurs 1 time regular season - 0-4 Playoffs
2005 Suns vs Grizz - Grizz beat Suns 2 times regular season - 0-4 Playoffs
2006 Mavs vs Grizz - Grizz beat Mavs 1 time regular season - 0-4 Playoffs

No excuses for 0-12 Playoffs.

Even TMAC did better than that :lol

Try again.

[Mike D]

Does anyone one of your posts not talk about Kobe? I swear you have a secret man crush on him because you always talk about him.
http://smiliesftw.com/x/BermudaBowned.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

[ChrisRichards]

MiamiHeat sucks in logic, he makes Kobe critics look bad. Its a natural thing to hate, but step up yo game sonny, all them Laker fags are running a train up in that sweet little ass of yours. :toast

[Metheny]

And Jordan never won shit without one of the "Greatest 50 players of All Time"

Your point? :lol


Interesting fact Jordan has 2 rings and 2 final mvps where he had no other allstar selected teamate on his team


thats pretty incredible...

[Metheny]

Its pretty funny how kobe's not even the best laker ever and is getting compared to a MJ lol

[Allanon]

Interesting fact Jordan has 2 rings and 2 final mvps where he had no other allstar selected teamate on his team


thats pretty incredible...

Interesting fact. MJ never won jack without one of the "50 Greatest players of All Time". MJ couldn't do it alone, why should Kobe be expected to?

To say "Kobe can't win without a skilled big man" is just stupid people trying to grasp at straws since they lost Shaq.

"Kobe can't win without Shaq" was fun and catchy ... a year ago.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kobe can't win without Derek Fisher is more accurate..

[Allanon]

Kobe can't win without Derek Fisher is more accurate..

Kobe can win in spite of Derek Fisher is more true :lol

Fish is a great crunch time player and I love the guy, but he has no business being a starting point guard on a Championship team.

It's no secret that every quick point guard in the NBA burns the Lakers for 20+ every game.

[Metheny]

Interesting fact. MJ never won jack without one of the "50 Greatest players of All Time". MJ couldn't do it alone, why should Kobe be expected to?

To say "Kobe can't win without a skilled big man" is just stupid people trying to grasp at straws since they lost Shaq.

"Kobe can't win without Shaq" was fun and catchy ... a year ago.


interesting fact pippen wasn't considered a top 50 player of all time when jordan won his first title.


Just be thankful that your man has 1 title.

[Allanon]

interesting fact pippen wasn't considered a top 50 player of all time when jordan won his first title.


Just be thankful that your man has 1 title.

Interesting fact. Jordan wasn't considered the GOAT until after his career was over.

Just be thankful that your boy had 0 titles before a Top 50 helped him get there.

[MiamiHeat]

Interesting fact. Jordan wasn't considered the GOAT until after his career was over.


wrong answer

[Allanon]

wrong answer

Proof?

Unless you consider the abortion years at the Wizards a part of his GOAT career.

[DAF86]

Proof?

Unless you consider the abortion years at the Wizards a part of his GOAT career.

Do you really bealive that thing you just said?

I clearly remember announcers talking about Jordan beign the greatest ever during his last three peat in Chicago.

[Allanon]

Do you really bealive that thing you just said?

I clearly remember announcers talking about Jordan beign the greatest ever during his last three peat in Chicago.

Chicago announcers will always say their player is great.

Jordan was not recognized as the GOAT until his 6 rings.

Please provide some proof that he was GOAT before then.

[DAF86]

Chicago announcers will always say their player is great.

Jordan was not recognized as the GOAT until his 6 rings.

Please provide some proof that he was GOAT before then.

I've never heard the Chicago announcers. I'm from Argentina, the ESPNDEPORTES announcers were the ones calling MJ the greatest player of all time everytime they called a Bulls game. MJ has been the GOAT ever since I can remember, that means 1995/96.

[Allanon]

I've never heard the Chicago announcers. I'm from Argentina, the ESPNDEPORTES announcers were the ones calling MJ the greatest player of all time everytime they called a Bulls game. MJ has been the GOAT ever since I can remember, that means 1995/96.

I live in the USA and had never heard of Jordan being GOAT prior to his 6 rings.

Proof please...any articles calling him the GOAT?

[ChrisRichards]

I live in the USA and had never heard of Jordan being GOAT prior to his 6 rings.

Proof please...any articles calling him the GOAT?
How old are you bro? Ill give you a clue.

Espn, Sports illustrated and CNN sportscasters were dubbing him Jordan as the GOAt even before winning his first title.


Proof? Michael Jordan videos.

http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/262337.1020.A.jpg

http://www.nbaloud.com/userimages/user1195_1173269796.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513MKK9JZRL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[Allanon]

How old are you bro? Ill give you a clue.

Espn, Sports illustrated and CNN sportscasters were dubbing him Jordan as the GOAt even before winning his first title.

That's like me saying "Kobe is the GOAT, just look at his videos".

Billions of articles on the Internet and you guys don't even have one link to Jordan the GOAT prior to his 6th title?

Not even one (1) single link on the Greatest Player of of ALL Time?

C'mon guys step up your game. :lol

[DJ Mbenga]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/84/fullj.6039af13bf66a53020ae2b682e9600ae/6039af13bf66a53020ae2b682e9600ae-getty-bkn-2010-all-stars.jpg

[ChrisRichards]

That's like me saying "Kobe is the GOAT, just look at his videos".

Billions of articles on the Internet and you guys don't even have one link to Jordan the GOAT prior to his 6th title?

Not even one (1) single link on the Greatest Player of of ALL Time?

C'mon guys step up your game. :lol
Well you said "articles" so I actually stepped my game up and provided videos. I recommend you watch those videos, because it has excerpts from different magazines (Sports Illustrated, Sporting News) along with major broadcasting networks like ESPN and CNN (late 80's and early 90's) saying Jordan was indeed the GOAT.


But I dont expect you to understand what im saying unless you've seen these videos in full length.:toast

[Allanon]

Well you said "articles" so I actually stepped my game up and provided videos. I recommend you watch those videos, because it has excerpts from different magazines (Sports Illustrated, Sporting News) along with major broadcasting networks like ESPN and CNN (late 80's and early 90's) saying Jordan was indeed the GOAT.


But I dont expect you to understand what im saying unless you've seen these videos in full length.:toast

You would think the Greatest of All Time would have even 1 article on him (before his sixth title).

I guess not.

If you really think about it who in their right mind would call Jordan (with 0 titles) the GOAT after witnessing a decade of Bird, Magic, Kareem?

This is worse than Andrew Wilt Jabar Bynum :lol

[ChrisRichards]

You would think the Greatest of All Time would have even 1 article on him (before his sixth title).

I guess not.

If you really think about it who in their right mind would call Jordan (with 0 titles) the GOAT after witnessing a decade of Bird, Magic, Kareem?

This is worse than Andrew Wilt Jabar Bynum :lol
So you'd rather have written 'articles' thats most likely not on the web because it was published in the 80's rather than an actual video from reputable networks?


Laker fans:rollin

[Allanon]

So you'd rather have written 'articles' thats most likely not on the web because it was published in the 80's rather than an actual video from reputable networks?

Yes. If Jordan was a GOAT with 0 titles, they would have written about it. They would have referenced it but it's nowhere to be found.

I can find you plenty of articles written about the GOAT after his six titles.

You don't seriously believe anybody would call Jordan the GOAT with 0 rings? 0 rings?

That's like all the Andrew Wilt-Jabar Bynum talk.

C'mon man, Bird, Magic, Kareem ruled the 80's, they would have slapped them silly writing about "Jordan the GOAT with 0 titles".

[Mel_13]

Ten thousand Kobes:

http://www.pe.com/sports/basketball/lakers/stories/PE_News_Local_W_kobe_names_15.43de5fe.html

[JamStone]

I'm not going to go google and research, but I'm sure there were plenty of people, articles, "experts" arguing Jordan was the GOAT before his 6th ring. I'm sure after his third title, there were some people arguing that. Now, I'm sure it wasn't consensus among everyone, but I'm sure there were people saying it, writing it, and arguing it. After his third title, he already had three rings, three Finals MVPs, and three League MVPs, 1 DPOY at the age of 29/30. There were people calling him the GOAT before he got his 6th title. Very likely, as early as after his third title and he retired for that first time.

[Mel_13]

I'm not going to go google and research, but I'm sure there were plenty of people, articles, "experts" arguing Jordan was the GOAT before his 6th ring. I'm sure after his third title, there were some people arguing that. Now, I'm sure it wasn't consensus among everyone, but I'm sure there were people saying it, writing it, and arguing it. After his third title, he already had three rings, three Finals MVPs, and three League MVPs, 1 DPOY at the age of 29/30. There were people calling him the GOAT before he got his 6th title. Very likely, as early as after his third title and he retired for that first time.

Absolutely true.

From the June 28, 1993 issue of SI:

Is Michael Jeffery Jordan simply the best basketball player in the history of the planet? No matter what you think of Jordan as person, as a role model, as a shoe salesman, or even as a high-stakes gambler, you know the answer to that question: yes. A resounding yes.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/edb/reader.html?magID=SI&issueDate=19930628&mode=reader_vault

[Allanon]

You can't be the GOAT when there's still debate about it.

Jordan wears 'greatest' crown
By David DuPree, USA TODAY

Posted 2/6/2003 9:13 PM Updated 2/9/2003 7:28 PM

This should settle it once and for all: Michael Jordan, who will play in his final NBA All-Star Game on Sunday, is the greatest basketball player ever. Any scale that is used to measure a player's greatness is flawed and open to interpretation, but USA TODAY factored in every aspect of the game to come up with the greatest player and the all-time All-Star team of greatest players. Just as in All-Star voting, the greatest team was selected by points at the positions, not overall points.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-06-dupree-team_x.htm

[JamStone]

You were suggesting there wasn't any talk at all before his 6th. Zero.

You only asked for one before the 6th title. The post above you gave you 1.


You would think the Greatest of All Time would have even 1 article on him (before his sixth title).

Now you changed your argument.

[Allanon]

You were suggesting there wasn't any talk at all before his 6th. Zero.

You only asked for one before the 6th title. The post above you gave you 1.



Now you changed your argument.

Changed my argument my ass. Learn to read.

Read the quote. It says best "PLAYER". :lol

I said the "GOAT". MJ is the GOAT not only because of what he did on the basketball quote. He is the GOAT because of what he did on the court and off the court for the game. I wasn't asking if he was the "best player".

"No matter what you think of Jordan as person, as a role model, as a shoe salesman, or even as a high-stakes gambler, you know the answer to that question: "

Step up your game Jammy.

[Mel_13]

Changed my argument my ass. Learn to read.

Read the quote. It says best "PLAYER". :lol

I said the "GOAT". MJ is the GOAT not only because of what he did on the basketball quote. He is the GOAT because of what he did on the court and off the court for the game. I wasn't asking if he was the "best player".

"No matter what you think of Jordan as person, as a role model, as a shoe salesman, or even as a high-stakes gambler, you know the answer to that question: "

Step up your game Jammy.

:lol

You're going to try to make the case that "best basketball player in the history of the planet" and GOAT don't describe the same thing?

[Allanon]

:lol

You're going to try to make the case that "best basketball player in the history of the planet" and GOAT don't describe the same thing?

They don't.

Do you actually think Jordan is the GOAT just because of what he did on the basketball court? :lol

[Mel_13]

They don't.

Do you actually think Jordan is the GOAT just because of what he did on the basketball court? :lol

The article from 2003 that you quoted just above only used his basketball exploits to place the greatest crown on his head.

[JamStone]

Semantics? Really? A semantical argument? Twist your argument much?


That's like me saying "Kobe is the GOAT, just look at his videos".

Billions of articles on the Internet and you guys don't even have one link to Jordan the GOAT prior to his 6th title?

Not even one (1) single link on the Greatest Player of of ALL Time?

C'mon guys step up your game. :lol

This is the first time you started talking about Michael Jordan "off the court" and what he did for basketball as what you meant by GOAT, and yet early on in this discussion topic, you yourself SPECIFICALLY used the word "player."

Come on. Now you're just trying not to be wrong by adding an addendum to your argument to alter the meaning of what you actually were talking about and trying to say "greatest" is different from "best." Come on, bro. Are you serious right now, bro?

I'd say "step up your game" but you already cut off both your legs yourself.

[Allanon]

Semantics? Really? A semantical argument? Twist your argument much?



This is the first time you started talking about Michael Jordan "off the court" and what he did for basketball as what you meant by GOAT, and yet early on in this discussion topic, you yourself SPECIFICALLY used the word "player."

Come on. Now you're just trying not to be wrong by adding an addendum to your argument to alter the meaning of what you actually were talking about and trying to say "greatest" is different from "best." Come on, bro. Are you serious right now, bro?

I'd say "step up your game" but you already cut off both your legs yourself.

Hahah laughable, again you've forgotten how to read. I didn't ask for "the best player". I SPECIFICALLY asked for GOAT links.

Here is my original question for the RIF crowd: :lol

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4082723&postcount=698

I live in the USA and had never heard of Jordan being GOAT prior to his 6 rings.

Proof please...any articles calling him the GOAT?

Step up your game Jammy.

[DAF86]

"Best player in the history of the planet" = GOAT

[BadOdor]

Jam, a word of advice - arguing with Allanon(75 win Ecstasy) is useless. You know he's wrong, we know he's wrong, he himself knows he's wrong - but he'll never admit it. Instead, he would argue semantics like a bitch. This is the guy who lied about being a bandwagon laker fan and joining after the gasol thread, before Mono posted he's join date and showed what a lying little bitch he was(lol@lying about your join date). Save yourself the time, brah.

[himat]

Jam, a word of advice - arguing with Allanon(75 win Ecstasy) is useless. You know he's wrong, we know he's wrong, he himself knows he's wrong - but he'll never admit it. Instead, he would argue semantics like a bitch. This is the guy who lied about being a bandwagon laker fan and joining after the gasol thread, before Mono posted he's join date and showed what a lying little bitch he was(lol@lying about your join date). Save yourself the time, brah.

I got in an argument with him before and I was getting so pissed off...not because he was schooling me but because he would never say that he was wrong despite all my evidence.

:lmao It sucks.

[Killakobe81]

Funny thread. Not saying I aGREE but I hear what Alanon is saying ...
Jam is right by his 3rd title the general populace felt MJ was the GOAT but i think teh 5th and 6th titles cemented it ...

Mj knew this an once he passed Magic he rested ...

Lebron is PROBALY going to be even GREATER than Kobe but he needs to PROVE IT with titles ...

If he gets to at least 4 I WILL argue on Lebron's behalf to be in the Kobe, Magic MJ discussion ...he needs to catch Bird first though ...

Hell he needs to CATCH WADE first!!!

[mavs>spurs2]

I got in an argument with him before and I was getting so pissed off...not because he was schooling me but because he would never say that he was wrong despite all my evidence.

:lmao It sucks.

:lmao Allanon and Blake are the kings of that

[Allanon]

Jam, a word of advice - arguing with Allanon(75 win Ecstasy) is useless. You know he's wrong, we know he's wrong, he himself knows he's wrong - but he'll never admit it. Instead, he would argue semantics like a bitch. This is the guy who lied about being a bandwagon laker fan and joining after the gasol thread, before Mono posted he's join date and showed what a lying little bitch he was(lol@lying about your join date). Save yourself the time, brah.

I refuse to act with common decency :lol

[Allanon]

:lmao Allanon and Blake are the kings of that

"Ban me timvp". :lol

[Allanon]

Lebron may be the "best player in the history of the planet" one day; but that won't necessarily make him the GOAT.

Heheh, still not even one GOAT link eh? Only excuses as usual.

Pathetic. :lol

[Chieflion]

A short newspaper or magazine piece that deals specifically with a particular field of interest, or broadly with an issue or circumstance of far-reaching scope. They appear with bylines on a regular basis (daily, weekly, etc.). They may be written exclusively for one newspaper or magazine, they may be marketed by a syndicate, or they may be self-syndicated by the author.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_%28publishing%29

Thanks wikipedia for telling me what a column is.

[Allanon]

I got in an argument with him before and I was getting so pissed off...not because he was schooling me but because he would never say that he was wrong despite all my evidence.

:lmao It sucks.

Neither you nor anybody else was able to beat my argument; why should I say I was wrong? :lol



Change these arrows around so the Cavs aren't winning 3 out 5 positions:

Shaq>Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher

[DAF86]

Neither you nor anybody else was able to beat my argument; why should I say I was wrong? :lol

Change these arrows around so the Cavs aren't winning 3 out 5 positions:

Shaq>Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher

Easy

Shaq<Bynum
Verajao<Pau
Lebron>Artest
Parker<Kobe
Delonte>Fisher

Plus

Cavs' entire bench < Odom

[Allanon]

Easy

Shaq<Bynum



WTF? a guy averaging more fouls than points in the playoffs can't be the best in anything. He isn't better than Shaq, Yao, Duncan, Camby, Nene, Gasol, Chandler and I don't even think he is better than Okur right now.


:lol Step up your game guys.

[DAF86]

:lol Step up your game guys.

lol that's old, guys improve and decline. At the beginning of the year I would have said that Parker is better than Nash, Now I wouldn't.

[DAF86]

That quote is from last year where Shaq averaged 18 ppg and 8.4 rbds and Bynum had more fouls than minutes in the playoffs.

[Allanon]

That quote is from last year where Shaq averaged 18 ppg and 8.4 rbds and Bynum had more fouls than minutes in the playoffs.

More excuses?

That's ok. That applies this year as well. Shaq has owned Bynum. It's no secret, just look at the beating Shaq put on Bynum and Gasol this season.

Dwight too "Superman my ass"

Next. :lol

[BRHornet45]

dude just needs his ass beat, that's all he needs.

[Donkeybong]

looks like no kobe tonight.

[Allanon]

looks like no kobe tonight.

Yeah, I just heard that too.

I wonder if he'll play against the Celtics. 5 days of rest after that Celtics game so maybe he should skip it too.

[duncan228]

Long piece (5 pages) on Kobe in the March GQ.

In It To Win It (http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201003/kobe-bryant?currentPage=1)

Is Kobe Bryant possessed of transcendent talent? Of course. But that's not what makes him great. For fourteen grueling seasons, the 31-year-old former prodigy has cracked, fractured, strained, torn, cut, bruised, nicked, and risked every part of his finely tuned self. And he's got the rings—and the scars—to show for it.

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201003/kobe-bryant?currentPage=1

[DJ Mbenga]

http://www.gq.com/images/entertainment/2010/03/kobe-bryant/kobe-bryant05.jpg

[Double-Up]

http://www.gq.com/images/entertainment/2010/03/kobe-bryant/kobe-bryant05.jpg

Damn Mbenga is one ugly motherfucker.

[Killakobe81]

From The OC today (via TrueHoop)

The best player in the NBA sat during the Celtics-Lakers game Thursday night. Can't blame him. By then, LeBron James had scored 43 points and added 15 assists and 13 rebounds. Poor fella had to be exhausted. Sorry, Lakers fans, but the best player in the league today isn't your guy. Is there anyone other than Kobe Bryant we'd rather have with the ball at the end of a game waiting to be won? No. Is there anyone better suited than title-tested Bryant to lead these Lakers on another postseason run? No. Is there anyone more polished than Bryant at the art of rescuing unexpected victory from looming defeat? No. But is there anyone in the NBA better than LeBron James right now? No. No. And -- say this one with extra-special emphasis -- no! Breathe deep, Kobe Nation. We know you get a little defensive when it comes to questions about Bryant's status as a living bronze statue. And recall that just a few weeks ago Bryant was anointed as 'unguardable' in this very space. If there's a word that pays greater homage to a basketball player, we've never heard it. But still, James scores more, assists more and rebounds more. He blocks more shots and shoots field goals more accurately, even three-pointers."

I agree with MOST of this ... EXCEPT the 3 point shots ...yes his % is better but I would pay to watch Lebron jack up 3's like he did at the end of the game last night.

Something about when and the WAY he shoots them fading backwards that bugs me ...(sorry Im a coach)

But as the writer states Lebron scores more, rebounds more blocks more shots (though I still think when motivated Kobe is STILL the better defender)

Lebron has passed Kobe (not by whole lot) but it IS tangible. All he needs to do is show it by winning a ring. He HAS the cast now lead them to the promise land at LEast twice ...and the CROWN will be RIGHTFULLY his and his alone.

As a side note even though i would take A lebron drive over ANY basketball play ...I still rather have Melo or Kobe SHOOT with the game on the line ...like the writer states here.

No problem admitting this we just need the rings to validate what most already know ...

[Double-Up]

From The OC today (via TrueHoop)

The best player in the NBA sat during the Celtics-Lakers game Thursday night. Can't blame him. By then, LeBron James had scored 43 points and added 15 assists and 13 rebounds. Poor fella had to be exhausted. Sorry, Lakers fans, but the best player in the league today isn't your guy. Is there anyone other than Kobe Bryant we'd rather have with the ball at the end of a game waiting to be won? No. Is there anyone better suited than title-tested Bryant to lead these Lakers on another postseason run? No. Is there anyone more polished than Bryant at the art of rescuing unexpected victory from looming defeat? No. But is there anyone in the NBA better than LeBron James right now? No. No. And -- say this one with extra-special emphasis -- no! Breathe deep, Kobe Nation. We know you get a little defensive when it comes to questions about Bryant's status as a living bronze statue. And recall that just a few weeks ago Bryant was anointed as 'unguardable' in this very space. If there's a word that pays greater homage to a basketball player, we've never heard it. But still, James scores more, assists more and rebounds more. He blocks more shots and shoots field goals more accurately, even three-pointers."

I agree with MOST of this ... EXCEPT the 3 point shots ...yes his % is better but I would pay to watch Lebron jack up 3's like he did at the end of the game last night.

Something about when and the WAY he shoots them fading ackwards that bugs me ...

But as the writer states Lebron scores more, rebounds more blocks more shots (though I still think when motivated Kobe is STILL the better defender)

Lebron has passed Kobe (not by whole lot) but it IS tangible. All he needs to do is show it by winning a ring. He HAS the cast now lead them to the promise land at LEast twice ...and the CROWN will be RIGHTFULLY his and his alone.

As a side note even though i would take A lebron drive over ANY basketball play ...I still rather have Melo or Kobe SHOOT with the game on the line ...like the writer states here.

/end thread

[Allanon]

Y'all just lucky I can't talk about LeBron due to losing a bet to Behold the King.

Or else I'd point out the painfully obvious from last night :lol

[himat]

From The OC today (via TrueHoop)

The best player in the NBA sat during the Celtics-Lakers game Thursday night. Can't blame him. By then, LeBron James had scored 43 points and added 15 assists and 13 rebounds. Poor fella had to be exhausted. Sorry, Lakers fans, but the best player in the league today isn't your guy. Is there anyone other than Kobe Bryant we'd rather have with the ball at the end of a game waiting to be won? No. Is there anyone better suited than title-tested Bryant to lead these Lakers on another postseason run? No. Is there anyone more polished than Bryant at the art of rescuing unexpected victory from looming defeat? No. But is there anyone in the NBA better than LeBron James right now? No. No. And -- say this one with extra-special emphasis -- no! Breathe deep, Kobe Nation. We know you get a little defensive when it comes to questions about Bryant's status as a living bronze statue. And recall that just a few weeks ago Bryant was anointed as 'unguardable' in this very space. If there's a word that pays greater homage to a basketball player, we've never heard it. But still, James scores more, assists more and rebounds more. He blocks more shots and shoots field goals more accurately, even three-pointers."

I agree with MOST of this ... EXCEPT the 3 point shots ...yes his % is better but I would pay to watch Lebron jack up 3's like he did at the end of the game last night.

Something about when and the WAY he shoots them fading backwards that bugs me ...(sorry Im a coach)

But as the writer states Lebron scores more, rebounds more blocks more shots (though I still think when motivated Kobe is STILL the better defender)

Lebron has passed Kobe (not by whole lot) but it IS tangible. All he needs to do is show it by winning a ring. He HAS the cast now lead them to the promise land at LEast twice ...and the CROWN will be RIGHTFULLY his and his alone.

As a side note even though i would take A lebron drive over ANY basketball play ...I still rather have Melo or Kobe SHOOT with the game on the line ...like the writer states here.

No problem admitting this we just need the rings to validate what most already know ...

LeBron is a better "statistics" defender because he always comes off the weakside to get blocks, steals, boards, etc. If I wanted a player to defend the opposing team's best player I would pick Kobe 9 times out of 10.

Offensively...LeBron>Kobe except for the last minute.

[ChrisRichards]

Y'all just lucky I can't talk about LeBron due to losing a bet to Behold the King.

Or else I'd point out the painfully obvious from last night :lol
Wait, 42, 13 and 15 last night and you're going to roast Bron's ass? Id like to see you try maggot.:lol

[KidCongo]

Y'all just lucky I can't talk about LeBron due to losing a bet to Behold the King.

Or else I'd point out the painfully obvious from last night :lol

That bet made this a better place :toast

[cobbler]

Wait, 42, 13 and 15 last night and you're going to roast Bron's ass? Id like to see you try maggot.:lol

Funny...wasnt it just a couple weeks ago you were on your daily kobe rant about him shooting an inefficient 45% and jacking up 30+ shots to his numbers? Huh?

LBJ shot 45% and took 33 shots to get his 42 points. He also jacked up numerous missing 3's in the waning minutes and was the defender on the player hitting the game winning shot.

I just love how your criteria changes to fit your distorted vison.

[ChrisRichards]

Funny...wasnt it just a couple weeks ago you were on your daily kobe rant about him shooting an inefficient 45% and jacking up 30+ shots to his numbers? Huh?

LBJ shot 45% and took 33 shots to get his 42 points. He also jacked up numerous missing 3's in the waning minutes and was the defender on the player hitting the game winning shot.

I just love how your criteria changes to fit your distorted vison.
WTF?! Lebron had 13 assists and 15 boards on top of that. My problem with Kobe was no only will he shoot 30 times to get his 36 points but he would'nt add anything else to the game.

I never changed my criteria.

[cobbler]

WTF?! Lebron had 13 assists and 15 boards on top of that. My problem with Kobe was no only will he shoot 30 times to get his 36 points but he would'nt add anything else to the game.

I never changed my criteria.

Oh....so it's only inefficient shooting if you shoot 30+ shots at 45% and get 5-8 assists and 7-10 boards. An increase in assists and rebounding magically transforms ones shot selection and effeciency. Nice to know.

I am kinda curious how you can conclude that ANY player who leads their team in assists, constantly commands double teams, and guards the oppositions 1st or 2nd option regularly doesn't add anything to the game except points. Or is that just ONE player?

[pauls931]

So this is taking the place of that gay tlong blazer thread from last year...

[Allanon]

So this is taking the place of that gay tlong blazer thread from last year...

You do realize there's only one (1) extra Kobe thread on the front page today?.

This "Kobe All the Time thread" is finally doing its job and its a beautiful thing.

[RedsLakers24]

WTF?! Lebron had 13 assists and 15 boards on top of that. My problem with Kobe was no only will he shoot 30 times to get his 36 points but he would'nt add anything else to the game.

I never changed my criteria.

Dude Kobe and the Lakers run the triangle offense, the Cavs offense is just give the ball to lebron and stand behind the 3 point line, he dominates the ball just like a PG so that explains why he gets so much assist, look at Jordans career high in APG before the triangle and then look at his ASP in the triangle, u will see they will drop because of the triangle

[Chieflion]

Dude Kobe and the Lakers run the triangle offense, the Cavs offense is just give the ball to lebron and stand behind the 3 point line, he dominates the ball just like a PG so that explains why he gets so much assist, look at Jordans career high in APG before the triangle and then look at his ASP in the triangle, u will see they will drop because of the triangle
Kobe Bryant Usage percentage: 33.0
LeBron James Usage Percentage: 33.9

I don't see a significant difference in ball domination yet LeBron has a way higher assist percentage than Kobe.

Kobe Bryant assist percentage: 22.4
LeBron James assist percentage: 42.1

Jordan in 1987-1988 Usage Percentage: 34.1
Jordan in 1988-1989 Usage percentage: 32.1
Jordan in 1989-1990 Usage Percentage: 33.7

Jordan assist percentage in 1987-1988: 27.0
Jordan assist percentage in 1988-1989: 34.7
Jordan assist percentage in 1989-1990: 28.6

So while Jordan switched to the Triangle in 1989-1990, he also managed to get his assist percentage above 25% and it was a tad above his 1987-1988 statistics, although it did drop. Jordan also never has an assist percentage over 40%.

[cobbler]

Kobe Bryant Usage percentage: 33.0
LeBron James Usage Percentage: 33.9

I don't see a significant difference in ball domination yet LeBron has a way higher assist percentage than Kobe.

Kobe Bryant assist percentage: 22.4
LeBron James assist percentage: 42.1

Jordan in 1987-1988 Usage Percentage: 34.1
Jordan in 1988-1989 Usage percentage: 32.1
Jordan in 1989-1990 Usage Percentage: 33.7

Jordan assist percentage in 1987-1988: 27.0
Jordan assist percentage in 1988-1989: 34.7
Jordan assist percentage in 1989-1990: 28.6

So while Jordan switched to the Triangle in 1989-1990, he also managed to get his assist percentage above 25% and it was a tad above his 1987-1988 statistics, although it did drop. Jordan also never has an assist percentage over 40%.

Which only goes to show you that LBJ's supporting cast shoots better than Kobe's.

[Chieflion]

Which only goes to show you that LBJ's supporting cast shoots better than Kobe's.
Whatever. I could also say that LeBron draws more attention from the defense and he has way better court vision which gets his teammates easy layups and open 3 pointers.

[cobbler]

Whatever. I could also say that LeBron draws more attention from the defense and he has way better court vision which gets his teammates easy layups and open 3 pointers.

First off, that is a completely absurd comment about Lebron drawing more attention. Come on. They both commonly drawy double and even triple teams.

And watching the game the other night against the Nuggets I made the observation that LBJ's teamates have gotten very adept at slashing to the basket and getting those easy layups. Your assists totals and effeciency are only going to be as good as the players your are passing it to. I dont even have to go look and ill bet the Cavs core shoots a better % than the Lakers core.

[Chieflion]

First off, that is a completely absurd comment about Lebron drawing more attention. Come on. They both commonly drawy double and even triple teams.

And watching the game the other night against the Nuggets I made the observation that LBJ's teamates have gotten very adept at slashing to the basket and getting those easy layups. Your assists totals and effeciency are only going to be as good as the players your are passing it to. I dont even have to go look and ill bet the Cavs core shoots a better % than the Lakers core.
Do you even have understanding of what assist percentage is?

[cobbler]

Do you even have understanding of what assist percentage is?

Yes.... it is an estimate of the percentage of a players posession that results in an assist.

Would you like the formula?

100 * AST / (((Minutes Played / (Team Minutes Played / 5)) * Team Field Goals) - Field Goals)

Any more questions I can help you with?

[Chieflion]

Yes.... it is an estimate of the percentage of a players posession that results in an assist.

Would you like the formula?

100 * AST / (((Minutes Played / (Team Minutes Played / 5)) * Team Field Goals) - Field Goals)

Any more questions I can help you with?
Therefore you should know how significant a 20% difference is. Fan troll.

[mavs>spurs2]

i saw this thread was stickied and thought it must have been something important, but then i realized it was just the same faggots knob slobbing and cheerleading for kobe

[cobbler]

Therefore you should know how significant a 20% difference is. Fan troll.

Please enlighten us! Explain how significant that 20% is. Please show me how an estimate with several team stats involved accurately portrays an individual. Its just another stat for the stat boys. Not unlike +/-. Your indiidual numbers are directly impacted by the quality of play in your teamates and as we both know, LBJ has better shooting teamates.


Note: Where are all your LBJ is Jacking up 25+ shots and garbage late game 3's to get his 30 points posts? hmmmmmmmm

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Wow, this thread is lame. If I wanted to read the whole thing I could probably put major ownage on both Kobe lovers and Kobe haters. He'll be out of the league in a few years, and you'll all find someone new to hate.

Carry on feeding each other.

[Allanon]

timvp make me a mod, I'll suck your dick
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147104


Now, THAT's some knob-slobbing :lol

[milkshakeballa]

For the season to date, the Lakers rank 11th in the league in offensive efficiency, scoring 106.6 points per 100 possessions, well over the league average of 104.2. Over the past five games, the Lakers have played the Warriors (28th-ranked defense), the Jazz (11th-ranked defense), the Spurs (9th-ranked defense), the Blazers (17th-ranked defense), and the Celtics (1st-ranked defense), and their four victories came by double digits for an average margin of 10.6 points.

On the surface, it appears the offense must be performing better sans Kobe. But looking deeper into the numbers, the surprising truth is that, despite the Lakers’ dominance over those five games, they’ve actually been performing noticeably worse than normal. Indeed, the Lakers’ offensive efficiency, on average, during the past five games has been 102.8 — 3.8 lower than their season average. While these numbers don’t definitively prove anything, they likewise don’t provide any evidence that the offense performed better without Bryant; the opposite has been the case.

So how do we explain the Lakers’ excellent play these past five games? Surprisingly, it’s on the defensive end where they’ve stepped up their game, playing far above their standard. For the season, the Lakers rank second in the league in defensive efficiency, allowing 99.6 points per 100 possessions, but in the past five games they’ve allowed an average of just 91.5 points per 100 possessions.

[cobbler]

But Miami/Chris/Harlem and Chief insist the Lakers offense was more efficient without Kobe so you must have messed up with those numbers. :lmao

[RsxPiimp]

People should just bookmark this page. Everytime someone brings up a topic about "Lakers offense are better with Kobe", they should just copy and paste that till eternity.

[JamStone]

i saw this thread was stickied and thought it must have been something important, but then i realized it was just the same faggots knob slobbing and cheerleading for kobe

This thread was stickied for all the obsessive Kobe haters as much as for the Kobe knob slobbers. Don't get it twisted. Delusional Kobe haters got him on the brain just as much as delusional Kobe fan.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

This thread was stickied for all the obsessive Kobe haters as much as for the Kobe knob slobbers. Don't get it twisted. Delusional Kobe haters got him on the brain just as much as delusional Kobe fan.

+1

So, I'll feed them with two good questions.

1) Kobe returns tonight. In the Lakers last 2 losses to Memphis,

March 28, 2008. Kobe scored 53 points on 19 of 37 shooting, 9 of 17 from 3 point country, and 6 of 7 from the line
February 1, 2010 Kobe scored 44 points on 16 for 28 shooting, 4 of 7 from 3 point country, and 8 of 13 from the line.

I didn't look at the Lakers wins to see how Kobe did. Kobe did pass to Artest in the latter game for the potential buzzer beating win, but this was the game he seemed to go out of his way to pass Jerry West as the leading Lakers scorer.

So, my question is, now that his team has won 4 of 5 without him, how many shots will Kobe take tonight?

This leads to the second question, and it's a tough one.

2) In 2007 no one was probably happier than Tim Duncan when Tony Parker won the finals MVP. Would Kobe feel the same way if another Lakers won the finals MVP this year if the Lakers win it all?

Here's some hypothetical scenarios for a Lakers 2010 finals, don't laugh at them, it's just an illustration:

Finals MVP candidates:

A) Pau Gasol dominates Kevin Garnett offensively and defensively Putting up 20 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 blocks every game.
B) Ron Artest's defense takes LeBron/Pierce/Carter out of their game plan and his offense is strong.
C) Lamar Odom comes of the bench like a man possessed, putting up 20 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 blocks every game.
D) Andrew Bynum finds his game by dominating Shaq/Howard/Perkins putting them in foul trouble every game and averaging 25 points and 20 rebounds.
E) Derek Fisher, in limited minutes, draws 10 charges a game and hits many critical buzzer beaters.

If you look back at last year's finals, Kobe came out in game one shooting.He scored 40 points and was 16 for 34, 0 for 1 from 3 point country, and 8 for 8 from the line. Even in the game 6 loss to Boston the year before, Kobe was trying about every shot of the Lakers in the first quarter.

The above paragraph seems to show that Kobe may be trying to play legacy ball. In other words, dominate and a me-first win attitude. Of course, actions like these put him in firm control of the finals MVP if the Lakers win.

So, if it game down to a game 7 in the 2010 finals, and his teammates were playing as I described in my hypotheticals, would Kobe try to win the series himself by taking over and go for the personal glory, or would he keep feeding the player that was doing the best job on his team? Also, what if Kobe went for the MVP and that meant the Lakers lose game 7? How would Kobe handle another Laker getting the finals MVP honor?

Let's see what you have to say.