Marvel is announcing a sh..load of new movies OMG

[Texas_Ranger]

i didnt like the Luke Skywalker moment...

anyway. ok show. 6/10

[cd021]

The hype of Dr. Strange showing up, QS being from Fox, Vision surviving the hex, and possibly Blue Marvel or Reed Richards, all not happening dampens a perfectly solid ending.

Apparently Hayward was just an asshole, just to be asshole. That was kinda weird. Monica not really unleashing her powers, and a only a quick tease of the twins power, were kinda disappointing though the special effects of the Agatha/ Wanda aerial fight was pretty great.

The Scarlett Witch is finally a thing in the MCU :wow goddamn that was pretty great.

[Texas_Ranger]

the outsides the hex stuff was completely unecessary. Only think we got from that is monica rambeau's photon. Other than that we had a classic bad guy that is pretty retarded. Like, why would you try and shoot a kid, like wtf did u think was gonna happen even if u killed a kid? Also I knew from the moment I saw that guy he was gonna be bad, but at least i hoped he wouldnt be such a moron. Agent Woo was just for the comedic relief and Darcy was there just to be annoying. All of these characters were just stealing screen time from interesting stuff that was going on in the hex. It also sucks that Quicksilver in not from Fox, but just a random guy with a stupid name. The way he was defeated was also just meh. At least Wanda and Vision were pretty damn good in all the episodes and their stuff was fun. I also have a feeling the show could have had just 5 episodes, but its ok, i didnt really mind those slow episodes at the start. Ohh and the line ''you're stronger that the sorcerer supreme'' was pretty funny, cause Dr Strange was kinda a loser since he didnt use the time stone for whatever reason in infinity war. I dont think anyone is really scared of his yellow circles.
Now lets see how good Falcon and WS will be.

[Trainwreck2100]

the outsides the hex stuff was completely unecessary. Only think we got from that is monica rambeau's photon. Other than that we had a classic bad guy that is pretty retarded. Like, why would you try and shoot a kid, like wtf did u think was gonna happen even if u killed a kid? Also I knew from the moment I saw that guy he was gonna be bad, but at least i hoped he wouldnt be such a moron. Agent Woo was just for the comedic relief and Darcy was there just to be annoying. All of these characters were just stealing screen time from interesting stuff that was going on in the hex. It also sucks that Quicksilver in not from Fox, but just a random guy with a stupid name. The way he was defeated was also just meh. At least Wanda and Vision were pretty damn good in all the episodes and their stuff was fun. I also have a feeling the show could have had just 5 episodes, but its ok, i didnt really mind those slow episodes at the start. Ohh and the line ''you're stronger that the sorcerer supreme'' was pretty funny, cause Dr Strange was kinda a loser since he didnt use the time stone for whatever reason in infinity war. I dont think anyone is really scared of his yellow circles.
Now lets see how good Falcon and WS will be.


He used it, that's how he knew the steps to do, to make the plan work, by not using it.

[Blake]

He used it, that's how he knew the steps to do, to make the plan work, by not using it.

Exactly. That's when his head was doing that spinning thing on Thanos world.

[lefty]

Pretty cool to see Vision shed a tear, a famous moment from the comics


btw you can hear the Dr Strange theme in the 2nd post credit scene, Wanda even uses he astral form to study like Strange did in his 1st movie

[lefty]

I’ve thrown out quite a few names regarding the Skywalker like cameo Olsen talked about, Strange, Spidey, Ultron, but I’m now leaning toward Nick Fury

I think the current SWORD director is shady AF, and whatever he’s trying to do (trying to take Vision’s body back for his A.I project seems to be the popular theory) needed him to send Fury to space
But Fury being Fury, he kept an eye on him and he will eventually show up

It could also be Jackman as Wolverine or F4

Personally I would like the cameo to be Deadpool with a bag of popcorns watching Wandavision :lol

I kinda nailed that Fury prediction

[Texas_Ranger]

I am still surprised no avenger was in this, as wanda should be in prison right now. I also think that director was doing everything right, until he became a scooby doo bad guy and tried to shoot the kids... i actually take that back, scooby doo bad guys are not that retarded.

I also like how this is becoming, no one is ever really gone bullshit. In infinity war Loki, gamora and vision die and now they are all back. I am pretty sure in 3 years they'll bring tony stark back.

[cd021]

the outsides the hex stuff was completely unecessary. Only think we got from that is monica rambeau's photon. Other than that we had a classic bad guy that is pretty retarded. Like, why would you try and shoot a kid, like wtf did u think was gonna happen even if u killed a kid? Also I knew from the moment I saw that guy he was gonna be bad, but at least i hoped he wouldnt be such a moron. Agent Woo was just for the comedic relief and Darcy was there just to be annoying. All of these characters were just stealing screen time from interesting stuff that was going on in the hex. It also sucks that Quicksilver in not from Fox, but just a random guy with a stupid name. The way he was defeated was also just meh. At least Wanda and Vision were pretty damn good in all the episodes and their stuff was fun. I also have a feeling the show could have had just 5 episodes, but its ok, i didnt really mind those slow episodes at the start. Ohh and the line ''you're stronger that the sorcerer supreme'' was pretty funny, cause Dr Strange was kinda a loser since he didnt use the time stone for whatever reason in infinity war. I dont think anyone is really scared of his yellow circles.
Now lets see how good Falcon and WS will be.

- I think the actors over-hyped the show causing wild speculation (especially, Bettany, Olsen, and Parrish). As is, its a 4/5 imo. The Good is pretty strong while the bad is pretty damn bad.

-Hayward was just an asshole, with no real motivations. They could've taken three minutes to talk about what he lost during the snap to try and help flesh his character out but nah, lets have him be a dick and try and shoot kids.

-Woo was largely absent/ useless after episode 4, Darcy is easy to look at but kinda useless too, besides a quick appearance in the finale. Even Monica kinda seemed under-used, she stood up to Wanda but got kidnapped by a dumb-ass Pietro imposter. She then flips him and pulls a necklace off and that's it?

-The Vision/ White Vision battle took a surprising and frankly better turn. White Vision has all of Visions memories but none of the emotions and pieces out, to be brought back down the road.

-Glad they didn't kill Harkness, tbh. Enjoyed her character, kinda wish they hadn't tried to shoe-horn her into the villain role considering Wanda did more dirt than she did.

-Wanda's new suit is dope tbh and has Magneto Days of Future Past vibes.

-Scrull post-credit appearance, that was kinda lame tbh. They really haven't given MCU fans a reason to care about them yet.

-Pretty sure that end end credit means Wanda is the villian of Dr. Strange 2 or at least causes the "Madness"

-Olsen and Bettany were they best parts of the show. This show could've stood to be episodes with a tighter focus on what worked- them.

-High hopes for Falcon and the WS. Supposed to be much faster paced and more TWS, CW type of action.

[Texas_Ranger]

Lol at monica saying to wanda she would have done the same. I guess its ok to enslave a whole town just cause of feelings. What a bitch.
Captain marvel 2 will be so much fun, with both main characters being as fun as a rock. No wonder they are looking to cast other heroes for that movie.

[lefty]

cd021 I’m ok with the skrull cameo, after all we know Fury is working with them, and in the future we’ll probably get a Secret Invasion storyline in the MCU, so it didn’t feel out of place

As for Wanda being the villain in MOM, I don’t think she will be be bad per se, but she will fuck things up by searching for her children through different universes (after hearing them scream in the post credit scene)

[cd021]

cd021 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36264) I’m ok with the skrull cameo, after all we know Fury is working with them, and in the future we’ll probably get a Secret Invasion storyline in the MCU, so it didn’t feel out of place

As for Wanda being the villain in MOM, I don’t think she will be be bad per se, but she will fuck things up by searching for her children through different universes (after hearing them scream in the post credit scene)

I mean, I get it but it was pretty predictable. That was one of the fan theories that many people nailed.

Wanda was technically the villian, though I wish they made that point more apparent. She didn't mean to enslave a town but then actively did so even though she knew it was hurting people and that it was wrong. Wanda then noped out when the cops came. I think her actions will drive the plot but i'm hoping that she is the villain of MOM and her and Dr. Strange face off.

[cd021]

Lol at monica saying to wanda she would have done the same. I guess its ok to enslave a whole town just cause of feelings. What a bitch.
Captain marvel 2 will be so much fun, with both main characters being as fun as a rock. No wonder they are looking to cast other heroes for that movie.

I think they made Monica kind of a joyless character, same with Danvers, at least in the more recent comics Captain Marvel is apparently kinda a bitch and leans into it. The show runner for Wanda Vision is also writing Captain Marvel 2 so she's going to have to give them a personality.

Agreed though, Wanda enslaved 3,000 people just so she could play house. She then re-enforced it to keep her husband from escaping and widened it to enslave more people. Her losing her brother, parents, and boyfriend doesn't give her a pass. Monica can empathize but still say that she fucked up. I think they included that scene as a build towards the eventual A-Force series/movie.

[Texas_Ranger]

I think they made Monica kind of a joyless character, same with Danvers, at least in the more recent comics Captain Marvel is apparently kinda a bitch and leans into it. The show runner for Wanda Vision is also writing Captain Marvel 2 so she's going to have to give them a personality.

Agreed though, Wanda enslaved 3,000 people just so she could play house. She then re-enforced it to keep her husband from escaping and widened it to enslave more people. Her losing her brother, parents, and boyfriend doesn't give her a pass. Monica can empathize but still say that she fucked up. I think they included that scene as a build towards the eventual A-Force series/movie.

The big problem is also that the Captain Marvel comics are shit. They canceled like 8 runs in 9 years. No one really likes that character. I still think Monica's Captain Marvel from the 80's is the best one.

lefty those kids are probably in hell, which is just another dimension in marvel.

[lefty]

I mean, I get it but it was pretty predictable. That was one of the fan theories that many people nailed.

Wanda was technically the villian, though I wish they made that point more apparent. She didn't mean to enslave a town but then actively did so even though she knew it was hurting people and that it was wrong. Wanda then noped out when the cops came. I think her actions will drive the plot but i'm hoping that she is the villain of MOM and her and Dr. Strange face off.
I agree she was definitely the villain in Wandavision, I get that she is extremely traumatized and alone after losing all her loved ones but enslaving Westview people was selfish AF

And the way the locked up Harkness, holy ahit that was ruthless lol

[lefty]

The big problem is also that the Captain Marvel comics are shit. They canceled like 8 runs in 9 years. No one really likes that character. I still think Monica's Captain Marvel from the 80's is the best one.

The Captain Marvel comics I grew up on are theold ones with Rambeau, I had never heard of Carol Danvers until she was added to the MCU :lol

So when Monica was introduced in the Captain Marvel movie - as shitty as that movie was - I was happy

[lefty20]

Pretty happy with the show overall.

It left us with much to look forward to in the MCU.

Where does white Vision go now? His first choice would've likely been Tony, but he's dead. So where to now?

What did Agatha mean when she said "You've no idea what you've just done"? Did Wanda just send her kids to Mephisto giving him the ability to escape his dimension? Was that the reason behind the screams at the end?

Is Fury the Director of SWORD now?


Edit: Who was the wit sec person that FBI was looking for? Is it Ralph Bohner? And if he's not really Foxverse QS then how did he get his speed powers? From the necklace or from the Hex, like Photon?

[Trainwreck2100]

Pretty happy with the show overall.

It left us with much to look forward to in the MCU.

Where does white Vision go now? His first choice would've likely been Tony, but he's dead. So where to now?

What did Agatha mean when she said "You've no idea what you've just done"? Did Wanda just send her kids to Mephisto giving him the ability to escape his dimension? Was that the reason behind the screams at the end?

Is Fury the Director of SWORD now?


Edit: Who was the wit sec person that FBI was looking for? Is it Ralph Bohner? And if he's not really Foxverse QS then how did he get his speed powers? From the necklace or from the Hex, like Photon?

clearly it was the necklace that's why he's was crap when she took it off, and the kids ceased to be, like vision did.

That being said, how can they lock up the director for shooting at children that weren't real to begin with. He basically shot air

[Trainwreck2100]

The Captain Marvel comics I grew up on are theold ones with Rambeau, I had never heard of Carol Danvers until she was added to the MCU :lol

So when Monica was introduced in the Captain Marvel movie - as shitty as that movie was - I was happy

Dude, Carol Danvers was Mrs. Marvel for years she was even in the xmen cartoon

[Blake]

I'm still not sure what to make of this. I don't think I'll ever watch it again, especially the first three episodes.

[Spurtacular]

I'm still not sure what to make of this. I don't think I'll ever watch it again, especially the first three episodes.

You're going to cuckcot it?

[Trainwreck2100]

We kinda got vision back and we got her to get her hero name, but it wasn't that good of a show. I did like seeing the fallout from the blip and them hinting about the dichotomy of the people that were spared vs those that were ashed. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that. The direction that they went making it so that the episodes came from her love of American sitcoms growing up was something, but by the time it's revealed it didn't really matter. And all those people hate her, because they should, because she held them prisoner

[lefty]

Dude, Carol Danvers was Mrs. Marvel for years she was even in the xmen cartoon

I didn’t read all the comics religiously lol
I didn’t watch the Xmen cartoon either tbh

[Trainwreck2100]

I didn’t read all the comics religiously lol
I didn’t watch the Xmen cartoon either tbh

What about Avengers EMH? She was in that before her mcu announcement

[Xevious]

It was good, and I give credit to Marvel for trying something different. If anything it feels disappointing because of all the theories that didn't pan out, and the Fox Quicksilver turned into a nothing burger.

[lefty]

What about Avengers EMH? She was in that before her mcu announcement

I started watching EMH before the announcement , but I’m still early in season 1

I’ll get back to because it’s now on Disney + and so far EMH has been amazing tbh

(xmen and the other 90s stuff are there too)

[Trainwreck2100]

It was good, and I give credit to Marvel for trying something different. If anything it feels disappointing because of all the theories that didn't pan out, and the Fox Quicksilver turned into a nothing burger.

The fox quicksilver was just a fantastic troll job by feige, basically his character was to trick wanda into thinking he was QS with the added bonus of tricking the audience into believing he was QS

[Blake]

The fox quicksilver was just a fantastic troll job by feige, basically his character was to trick wanda into thinking he was QS with the added bonus of tricking the audience into believing he was QS

How was he able to keep Monica in that room. I still don't get what he is.

[cd021]

Pretty happy with the show overall.

It left us with much to look forward to in the MCU.

Where does white Vision go now? His first choice would've likely been Tony, but he's dead. So where to now?

What did Agatha mean when she said "You've no idea what you've just done"? Did Wanda just send her kids to Mephisto giving him the ability to escape his dimension? Was that the reason behind the screams at the end?

Is Fury the Director of SWORD now?


Edit: Who was the wit sec person that FBI was looking for? Is it Ralph Bohner? And if he's not really Foxverse QS then how did he get his speed powers? From the necklace or from the Hex, like Photon?

-Hard to say, though I'm sure that they'll building towards a West Coast Avengers with the White Vision now in the MCU.

-Maybe, that's a good theory. Rumor has it that the teen versions of Speed and Wiccan have already been cast for DS: MOM. So its definitely going to be addressed in some form there.

-I don't know, the witness protection thing seemed like another red-herring. That's a criticism of this show, everything seems like it means something only to find out that QS is just some loser named Ralph Bohner and how he got his powers doesn't really make sense. Also, how did he apprehend Monica if she was able to absorb the impact of being shot not to mention a direct attack from Wanda.

[cd021]

The fox quicksilver was just a fantastic troll job by feige, basically his character was to trick wanda into thinking he was QS with the added bonus of tricking the audience into believing he was QS

He really pissed off a lot of people tbh; its like he did the Mandarin shit-show all over again, but on purpose. He kinda did the same thing in Spider-Man FFH with Mysterio and the multi-verse but at least that kinda made sense.


How was he able to keep Monica in that room. I still don't get what he is.
He was apparently just some rando who was wearing an powered necklace that gave him QS powers, pretty goddamned stupid. Monica gets kidnapped by him--somehow, then just flips him and snatched his necklace.

[Texas_Ranger]

How was he able to keep Monica in that room. I still don't get what he is.

he was stronger than her as long as the plot needed him to be. As soon as that was over he somehow forgot he is strong and can move fast.
Anyone that starts thinking about the last episode will realize it's a bad episode.

[Texas_Ranger]

Wanda just needs to recreate a little hex around that house she got and have her family there. No need to kidnap and brainwash another town again.

[Blake]

Wanda just needs to recreate a little hex around that house she got and have her family there. No need to kidnap and brainwash another town again.

No need to arrest Wanda either. Let's arrest the guy the tried to stop her.

[Texas_Ranger]

No need to arrest Wanda either. Let's arrest the guy the tried to stop her.

I actually think he did doing nothing wrong until he became a moron and shot at the kids. Now you can say they weren't real, but still it was dumb. It's like they needed to make him very bad and perhaps everyone will forget about what Wanda did.

[ChumpDumper]

WandaVision didn't quite stick the landing, but there might have been a little contrivance to introduce the Darkhold MacGuffin into the more cinematic part of the MCU. It could be a vehicle for tying some of the characters from shows who have had experience with it in particular or Darkforce in general -- AoS, Agent Carter, Cloak and Dagger, The Runaways (though The Runaways plotline is a little too stupid to integrate fully IMO) but I'm probably just fanboying Ghost Rider and Cloak. More likely there are a lot of existing MCU characters or ones to be introduced that have some connection to it. Zemo could figure out how to make a (new) Blackout to fuck things up in FaWS, for example. Dr. Strange, Blade, even Moribus and Venom can have ties to this dumb book going forward.

Also yes, it's hard to believe anyone in the MCU could see Wanda as anything but an unstable threat after Lagos and this. She's getting stupidly overpowered like Captain Marvel at this point. She should be nerfed a bit by Karl Mordo or something. Otherwise they're going to have to put her and Danvers on the moon to make clocks.

[Trainwreck2100]

How was he able to keep Monica in that room. I still don't get what he is.

he was still a speedster, notoriously op characters, but once she took his necklace off he lost his powers

[Xevious]

TRkLLkpL5oY

[Blake]

he was still a speedster, notoriously op characters, but once she took his necklace off he lost his powers

Yeah I saw that. The way these witches can give out powers like this is weak storytelling.

[Xevious]

Also yes, it's hard to believe anyone in the MCU could see Wanda as anything but an unstable threat after Lagos and this. She's getting stupidly overpowered like Captain Marvel at this point. She should be nerfed a bit by Karl Mordo or something. Otherwise they're going to have to put her and Danvers on the moon to make clocks.
Yeah, I'm really not sure how Marvel uses her from here. Captain Marvel was (rightfully so) sidelined for most of Endgame. They may have to give the same treatment to Wanda. But that would end up being stupid, bringing out the big guns in deux ex machina fashion at the last minute.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The agent trying to shoot the kid was dumb, making Evan Peters a dick joke made me laugh but was really cheap.

Like CD said they didn't quite stick the landing but I enjoyed the show.
She's getting OP but I think that'll be sorted out with her being one of the Dr Strange villains.

Vision vs vision was greatness. I wanted more.
The kids acting was cringy
And Monica does nothing for me. Like legit don't care at all about her past, motives, powers etc.

[Blake]

Monica did nothing for anyone. In fact, the only one really did anything for Wanda was, ironically, Agatha.

Just so much wasted opportunity and wasted space.

[lefty]

Monica did nothing for anyone. In fact, the only one really did anything for Wanda was, ironically, Agatha.

Just so much wasted opportunity and wasted space.

It was just an introduction , Rambeau will be in Captain Marvel 2

The fact that Harkness did more Wanda makes sense, allowing her to know more about herself and fully embrace her powers and thus fucking things up in Doctor Strange 2

[Spurtacular]

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/clintonblackpanther.png

[ChumpDumper]

:lol triggered for three straight years

[lefty]

:lol triggered for three straight years

[lefty]

But objectively speaking, BP was an average movie tbh

Overraved by black Americans who know jack and shit about Africa and can't relate to the harsh reality of African countries

:lol All of sudden, they've found their inner African selves after watching BP, give me a fucking break

And now that movie is gonna be more overrated because Boseman passed away (RIP)

[lefty]

Sigh....

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/wandavision/wandavision-director-says-finale-twist-was-inspired-by-iron-man-3s-mandarin-reveal-spoilers-a183043#gs.v4sjuw

[leemajors]

But objectively speaking, BP was an average movie tbh

Overraved by black Americans who know jack and shit about Africa and can't relate to the harsh reality of African countries

:lol All of sudden, they've found their inner African selves after watching BP, give me a fucking break

And now that movie is gonna be more overrated because Boseman passed away (RIP)

I've watched it 4 times and been ridiculously entertained every time.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

But objectively speaking, BP was an average movie tbh


False


Overraved by black Americans who know jack and shit about Africa and can't relate to the harsh reality of African countries

:lol All of sudden, they've found their inner African selves after watching BP, give me a fucking break
legions of non blacks were all about dat wakanda forever


And now that movie is gonna be more overrated because Boseman passed away (RIP)

True but the overall MCU suffers

[Blake]

I liked everything about BP except the villain.

[spurraider21]

I liked everything about BP except the villain.
wat

[cd021]

WandaVision didn't quite stick the landing, but there might have been a little contrivance to introduce the Darkhold MacGuffin into the more cinematic part of the MCU. It could be a vehicle for tying some of the characters from shows who have had experience with it in particular or Darkforce in general -- AoS, Agent Carter, Cloak and Dagger, The Runaways (though The Runaways plotline is a little too stupid to integrate fully IMO) but I'm probably just fanboying Ghost Rider and Cloak. More likely there are a lot of existing MCU characters or ones to be introduced that have some connection to it. Zemo could figure out how to make a (new) Blackout to fuck things up in FaWS, for example. Dr. Strange, Blade, even Moribus and Venom can have ties to this dumb book going forward.

Also yes, it's hard to believe anyone in the MCU could see Wanda as anything but an unstable threat after Lagos and this. She's getting stupidly overpowered like Captain Marvel at this point. She should be nerfed a bit by Karl Mordo or something. Otherwise they're going to have to put her and Danvers on the moon to make clocks.

Lazy writing and several red herrings that all were revealed and were pretty disappointing (Dottie just being some rando, Hayward just being a asshole instead of Mephisto, Fake Pietro etc) derailed solid work from Hahn, Bettany, and Olsen, too bad. WandaVision is still 4/5 all things considered.


I think they've done a good job building up her power-set over the course 4 movies and a show. Danvers was too much too soon, we just met her then she's bringing Thanos to his knees after Thor got his ass stomped? Its going to get harder in the future to incorporate them into stories when they're both this strong though


Wanda just needs to recreate a little hex around that house she got and have her family there. No need to kidnap and brainwash another town again.

I legit thought that that was what was going to happen when they were walking back home. Her shrinking the Hex to encapsulate her house when she can come and go as she pleases but still has her family.


he was stronger than her as long as the plot needed him to be. As soon as that was over he somehow forgot he is strong and can move fast.

Anyone that starts thinking about the last episode will realize it's a bad episode.

That was bad writing tbh. She can absorb a bullet and take a direct shot from Wanda but gets locked up by fake QS because he's wearing an enchanted necklace? That shit and Hayward were pretty bad but Olsen and Bettany almost single handedly save it.

[lefty20]

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/wandavision-director-fan-theory-originally-correct-214556519.html


They go down there to get the book, and they’re reaching for the book, and the rabbit hops up in front of the book, and they’re like, ‘Oh, it’s Señor Scratchy. He’s the best,’ and they like reach over to pet him and he hisses and then this whole “American Werewolf in London” transformation happens and the rabbit turns into this big demon.

I see that as a confirmation that Mephisto was pulling strings behind the scenes ala Thanos w/ Loki in Avengers.

The kids definitely didn't just disappear like Vision did, nor were they sent to a different reality. Mephisto's got em.

[Spurtacular]

:cry

Did you learn a great message from watching Black Panther?

Do share.

[Spurtacular]

I've watched it 4 times and been ridiculously entertained every time.

I can buy all of that.

[ChumpDumper]

Did you learn a great message from watching Black Panther?

Do share.
Sure.

It triggers you three years later.

Because they're black people.

Great message.:tu

[Blake]

wat

Thought it ended up being a two dimensional character with Jordan annoyingly trying to be a tough guy from the hood.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Sigh....

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/wandavision/wandavision-director-says-finale-twist-was-inspired-by-iron-man-3s-mandarin-reveal-spoilers-a183043#gs.v4sjuw

weeeeaaak. MCU has hit so many triples, home runs, and grand slams they refuse to acknowledge how insanely stupid and DC-esque they were regarding Mandarin. We can't let them retcon the error of their ways.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

probably been posted already, but still relevant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zPEtyAsM94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaNWFHLy2NI

”She’s not Scarlet Witch, she’s a evil Scarlet Witch!”

[lefty]

That dude is getting laiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiid

[cd021]

Still disappointed that they took the easy way out with Agatha's character tbh. Thought they were setting her up to be the anti-hero of the series, which actually made more sense.

-Her mother and cover turned on her because she was too powerful (possibly, because they thought that she was the scarlett witch). She survives and becomes one of the most powerful witches, living until present day.

-She senses the witchcraft coming from the hex and investigates, getting close to Wanda to figure out her secrets.

-Once she finds out she's actually the Scarlett Witch, it would've been better if her motivation was to stop her because she realizes that her Mother and coven were right about the Scarlett Witch being too powerful to exist and tries to stop her. Wanda beats her, anyways but they do a better job of showing the negative fall-out of Wanda's actions.

-Would've even made the scene where Wanda turns Agatha back into Agnes better, knowing that Agnes tried to stop her but was silenced. If they are going to make Wanda a villian, anyways, they missed a pretty good opportunity.

[Neo.]

Thought it ended up being a two dimensional character with Jordan annoyingly trying to be a tough guy from the hood.

this 100%

imo he was easily the worst part of the movie. I liked the concept of the character but I felt he came across more bratty than intimidating/sympathetic

[cd021]

Thought it ended up being a two dimensional character with Jordan annoyingly trying to be a tough guy from the hood.



this 100%

imo he was easily the worst part of the movie. I liked the concept of the character but I felt he came across more bratty than intimidating/sympathetic

Legit don't get that criticism tbh. His upbringing is what made him Killmonger. He grew up in the hood around so much violence that he became de-sensitized to it. The only person that he cared about was his father, who told him about his heritage. After King T'Chaka came and confronted his brother/ Killmonger's father and his father betrayed and killed, Killmonger grows up with a chip on his shoulder and wanting revenge.

He uses the military to get out, becomes a elite soldier and uses his fathers notes to link up with his former contact, Klaw, who was smuggling Vibranium and weapons out of Wakanda. His father was planning to use the weapons to help overthrow the ruling class and help the oppressed, and is what Killmonger's motivation is, along with fucking over Wakanda-- who abandoned him and left him to fend for himself. He pretty much says that he took the training that he got from the U.S military just so he can use it against them.

As far as character motivations go for a villian, I think its pretty great tbh. Had Wakanda not been so isolationist, his father wouldn't have needed to work with Klaw to smuggle weapons out and disobeying the rules. Had T'Chaka taken him back with him, he wouldn't have turned into Killmonger, hell had he not grown up in Oakland he wouldn't have turned into Killmonger either.

It can be argued that his personality was a fascade, not showing weakness. He legit cries in the ancestral plain after talking with his father, and after being beaten by his cousin, he shows humility and even respect towards T'Challa after realizing that his mission had failed. He cries as he watches the sunset, because it reminds him of his father. He made such an impact on T'Challa that he reconsiders Wakanda's role in the world and decides to share their tech and knowledge with the rest of the world.

He's the most fascinating part of the movie tbh.

[cd021]

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/wandavision-director-fan-theory-originally-correct-214556519.html



I see that as a confirmation that Mephisto was pulling strings behind the scenes ala Thanos w/ Loki in Avengers.

The kids definitely didn't just disappear like Vision did, nor were they sent to a different reality. Mephisto's got em.

Puts the rumor's that the rabbit being Nicolas Scratch (Agatha's son) to rest. Still kinda hope that Hayward turns out to be Mephisto, otherwise he might be the worst villian since the guy from Iron Man 3.

[Neo.]

Legit don't get that criticism tbh. His upbringing is what made him Killmonger. He grew up in the hood around so much violence that he became de-sensitized to it. The only person that he cared about was his father, who told him about his heritage. After King T'Chaka came and confronted his brother/ Killmonger's father and his father betrayed and killed, Killmonger grows up with a chip on his shoulder and wanting revenge.

He uses the military to get out, becomes a elite soldier and uses his fathers notes to link up with his former contact, Klaw, who was smuggling Vibranium and weapons out of Wakanda. His father was planning to use the weapons to help overthrow the ruling class and help the oppressed, and is what Killmonger's motivation is, along with fucking over Wakanda-- who abandoned him and left him to fend for himself. He pretty much says that he took the training that he got from the U.S military just so he can use it against them.

As far as character motivations go for a villian, I think its pretty great tbh. Had Wakanda not been so isolationist, his father wouldn't have needed to work with Klaw to smuggle weapons out and disobeying the rules. Had T'Chaka taken him back with him, he wouldn't have turned into Killmonger, hell had he not grown up in Oakland he wouldn't have turned into Killmonger either.

It can be argued that his personality was a fascade, not showing weakness. He legit cries in the ancestral plain after talking with his father, and after being beaten by his cousin, he shows humility and even respect towards T'Challa after realizing that his mission had failed. He cries as he watches the sunset, because it reminds him of his father. He made such an impact on T'Challa that he reconsiders Wakanda's role in the world and decides to share their tech and knowledge with the rest of the world.

He's the most fascinating part of the movie tbh.

i agree completely that the character itself was fantastically written. but imo MBJs acting made him come across as being more bratty than hardened and bitter. he reminded me of nick cannon in that stupid drumming movie.

[Spurtacular]

Sure.

It triggers you three years later.

Because they're black people.

Great message.:tu

That's not a great message; that's just one of your lazy talking points.

[Blake]

Legit don't get that criticism tbh. His upbringing is what made him Killmonger. He grew up in the hood around so much violence that he became de-sensitized to it. The only person that he cared about was his father, who told him about his heritage. After King T'Chaka came and confronted his brother/ Killmonger's father and his father betrayed and killed, Killmonger grows up with a chip on his shoulder and wanting revenge.

He uses the military to get out, becomes a elite soldier and uses his fathers notes to link up with his former contact, Klaw, who was smuggling Vibranium and weapons out of Wakanda. His father was planning to use the weapons to help overthrow the ruling class and help the oppressed, and is what Killmonger's motivation is, along with fucking over Wakanda-- who abandoned him and left him to fend for himself. He pretty much says that he took the training that he got from the U.S military just so he can use it against them.

As far as character motivations go for a villian, I think its pretty great tbh. Had Wakanda not been so isolationist, his father wouldn't have needed to work with Klaw to smuggle weapons out and disobeying the rules. Had T'Chaka taken him back with him, he wouldn't have turned into Killmonger, hell had he not grown up in Oakland he wouldn't have turned into Killmonger either.

It can be argued that his personality was a fascade, not showing weakness. He legit cries in the ancestral plain after talking with his father, and after being beaten by his cousin, he shows humility and even respect towards T'Challa after realizing that his mission had failed. He cries as he watches the sunset, because it reminds him of his father. He made such an impact on T'Challa that he reconsiders Wakanda's role in the world and decides to share their tech and knowledge with the rest of the world.

He's the most fascinating part of the movie tbh.

Yeah, the backstory was fine but then he turned into just another silly villain with no more purpose other than just to be mean to everyone and take over wakanda and then the world.

[Blake]

The best villains are usually always the ones that have a righteous crusade

[ChumpDumper]

That's not a great message; that's just one of your lazy talking points.It's a fantastic message, derp: Trigger worthless racists who have no reason to live.:tu

[Trainwreck2100]

The best villains are usually always the ones that have a righteous crusade

not really, a good villian just needs strong character development, the joker never had a righteous crusade, but in most of his iterations he's a fantastic villain

[lefty]

I kinda wish Alexander Pierce didn’t die tbh

I’m looking forward to ZeMO returning in the Falcon and TWS

[Blake]

not really, a good villian just needs strong character development, the joker never had a righteous crusade, but in most of his iterations he's a fantastic villain

Well yeah, any good characters need strong development. I'm basically talking about my favorite type of villain.

Fwiw, I'd argue that "The Killing Joke" was a righteous crusade.

[lefty]

Loved the Killing Joke

Glad to see that crusade was adapted in The Dark Knight

[Texas_Ranger]

i hope u're talking about the comic and not that shitty movie.

[Blake]

I haven't seen the movie. Even though I have hbomax, I'm still not planning to. I've heard it sucks.

[lefty]

i hope u're talking about the comic and not that shitty movie.
of course

[cd021]

i agree completely that the character itself was fantastically written. but imo MBJs acting made him come across as being more bratty than hardened and bitter. he reminded me of nick cannon in that stupid drumming movie.

Maybe he was a too over-the-top at moments but if you watch it again, look at it from the perspective that his character is over-compensating-- he's not as hard as he seems to be. Instead he's bitter and hurt that his real family-- the royal family of Wakanda--turned his back on him and left him to claw his way out of the gutter.

Thought he nailed the ancestral plane scene, also the sunset scene, which is probably the best moment in the movie.

[Neo.]

Maybe he was a too over-the-top at moments but if you watch it again, look at it from the perspective that his character is over-compensating-- he's not as hard as he seems to be. Instead he's bitter and hurt that his real family-- the royal family of Wakanda--turned his back on him and left him to claw his way out of the gutter.

Thought he nailed the ancestral plane scene, also the sunset scene, which is probably the best moment in the movie.

i thought he had some great moments like the ones you mentioned, then others where he just acted like a straight up childish brat. i just have a hard time believing a war hardened, military brainwashed killing machine would keep the personality of a 14 year old from the ghettos of oakland, mixed with moments of a spoiled brat. but i suppose im in the minority on this one.

[lefty]

Falcon and WInter Soldier tomorrow


Can't wait tbh

[TDMVPDPOY]

i assume most movies now are stream online instead at the cinemas?

[Blake]

i assume most movies now are stream online instead at the cinemas?

Both

[lefty20]

That was an interesting first episode and not at all like what I thought it would be like. Didn't expect to see Sam's backstory being one of the main focus. Looking forward to seeing where this goes.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Gotta let this build up tbh. Falcon is boring, and Winter soldier been under utilized since Civil War

[lefty]

Holy shit


As a huge fan of Captain America The Winter Soldier, this 1st episode was AMAZING


This 1st episode is much better than the whole WandaVision series, it’s not even a contest

[Texas_Ranger]

Bucky was interesting, Falcon was boring. First ep was ok. 5/10, move on.

and its not hard to be better than WandaVision. After the first 3 episodes that show went to shit.

[Thanos]

Bucky was interesting, Falcon was boring. First ep was ok. 5/10, move on.

and its not hard to be better than WandaVision. After the first 3 episodes that show went to shit.
Oh, did you, totally not racist but just in a crazy coincidence, like the white character and not like the black guy? SHOCKING!!!!

Can’t wait for you to start bitching about the SJW agenda in the next episode. We’ve never heard that one before!

[Blake]

Oh, did you, totally not racist but just in a crazy coincidence, like the white character and not like the black guy? SHOCKING!!!!

Can’t wait for you to start bitching about the SJW agenda in the next episode. We’ve never heard that one before!

:lol

[Blake]

After the first 3 episodes that show went to shit.

Huh?

[Trainwreck2100]

i know it's not the right thread but looking at all the shit snyder wanted to do with justice league no wonder everything he touched has been ass, he wanted to kill batman for fuck sake, batman outlives everyone, cause he's batman. They picked one of the worst people possible to bring the franchise to theaters

[Texas_Ranger]

Oh, did you, totally not racist but just in a crazy coincidence, like the white character and not like the black guy? SHOCKING!!!!

Can’t wait for you to start bitching about the SJW agenda in the next episode. We’ve never heard that one before!

i am sorry i didnt find going to a bank for a loan interesting. I did like all of his fighting scenes at the start... also, why are the avengers not being payed. thats just shitty.

Blake
The first 3 ep were something new and i found that good.

[cd021]

4/5 tbh

Pretty great opening action sequence to set the tone, and did enough to set the table. Liked the cameo's from Batroc and Rhodey, really makes it feel like a shared universe. They still have a lot of work to do to make Sam and Bucky actual characters instead of plot points and/or ancillary super-hero's there to fill out the roster.

Sam got done real dirty, there at the end and am curios to know more about the head flag smasher--has to be another super-soldier. Looking forward to next week.

Hope they don't drag out Sam and Bucky getting together until episode 3 though

[cd021]

i am sorry i didnt find going to a bank for a loan interesting. I did like all of his fighting scenes at the start... also, why are the avengers not being payed. thats just shitty.



The Sam backstory was necessary for character building, showing how he responds to adversity. The loan scene was an interesting choice though.

I'm always interested in that sort of thing; would've thought Shield paid them but since their no longer around, that's probably not the case.

Also the Sokovia accords probably complicates things with the Avengers supposed to be an international team who takes orders from the U.N. Then half the the team says fuck off an goes on the run after escaping prison before later being dusted and missing 5 years. Would like to think that some of the Avengers uses their likenesses to pay the bills.

[Texas_Ranger]

The Sam backstory was necessary for character building, showing how he responds to adversity. The loan scene was an interesting choice though.

I'm always interested in that sort of thing; would've thought Shield paid them but since their no longer around, that's probably not the case.

Also the Sokovia accords probably complicates things with the Avengers supposed to be an international team who takes orders from the U.N. Then half the the team says fuck off an goes on the run after escaping prison before later being dusted and missing 5 years. Would like to think that some of the Avengers uses their likenesses to pay the bills.

This is weird for me. Who is Nick Fury and his people working for now? Is Sword kinda going to replace Shield? I assumed Fury will be the leader of Shield, but yea, it looks like its gone.

[Blake]

i am sorry i didnt find going to a bank for a loan interesting. I did like all of his fighting scenes at the start... also, why are the avengers not being payed. thats just shitty.

There's no reason for Sam to be paid an Avenger salary. He was working for the government thru contracts and Stark didn't like him.

In the comics I think it was Janet that paid Avenger salaries. $250k per year in the 80s iirc

[Trainwreck2100]

There's no reason for Sam to be paid an Avenger salary. He was working for the government thru contracts and Stark didn't like him.

In the comics I think it was Janet that paid Avenger salaries. $250k per year in the 80s iirc

In the movies falcon was a new avenger, so it makes no sense that Stark who gave a high school kid access to an entire weapons platform didn't have the foresight to fund the Avengers for the future if he didn't make it back from the time heist. It's just bad continuity. Also there's no proof that stark didn't like him in Civil War he went to him to get info on where Rogers was going

[Blake]

In the movies falcon was a new avenger, so it makes no sense that Stark who gave a high school kid access to an entire weapons platform didn't have the foresight to fund the Avengers for the future if he didn't make it back from the time heist. It's just bad continuity. Also there's no proof that stark didn't like him in Civil War he went to him to get info on where Rogers was going

I guess Stark didn't hate him really except that he blasted him after he said "sorry" when Rhodes went down in civil war

[Trainwreck2100]

I guess Stark didn't hate him really except that he blasted him after he said "sorry" when Rhodes went down in civil war

yeah but in the very next scene they're together he walks up to sam and tells him that he was wrong and asks for his help. They don't ever interact again. Also Vision was the one that knocked rhodes out of the sky and Stark never had problems with paying him.

[Blake]

yeah but in the very next scene they're together he walks up to sam and tells him that he was wrong and asks for his help. They don't ever interact again. Also Vision was the one that knocked rhodes out of the sky and Stark never had problems with paying him.

There it is. Why would there be a presumption that Stark should be paying him in the MCU?

It would have been the right thing for Stark to do but I don't see there being a logical requirement for it. I mean he loved Peter so I get him supplying him.

[Trainwreck2100]

There it is. Why would there be a presumption that Stark should be paying him in the MCU?

It would have been the right thing for Stark to do but I don't see there being a logical requirement for it. I mean he loved Peter so I get him supplying him.

Did i say paying him or paying the avengers? Do the avengers just not exist anymore? He was already funding them before while retired why would it stop after his death

[Blake]

Did i say paying him or paying the avengers? Do the avengers just not exist anymore? He was already funding them before while retired why would it stop after his death

Eh, I got that he was funding the facilities and the missions. Yeah, I guess at least per diem could be implied

[lefty20]

Has anyone considered that Stark did set up something to support the Avengers but Sam's pride might be getting in the way of taking that helping hand?

[lefty]

Has anyone considered that Stark did set up something to support the Avengers but Sam's pride might be getting in the way of taking that helping hand?
Interesting

[Blake]

Has anyone considered that Stark did set up something to support the Avengers but Sam's pride might be getting in the way of taking that helping hand?

Sam was sure quick to point out to the banker who he was tho. Dunno

[Trainwreck2100]

Has anyone considered that Stark did set up something to support the Avengers but Sam's pride might be getting in the way of taking that helping hand?

I would imagine he was already getting paid by Stark in between avengers 2 and civil war, Why stop? Like i said it's just bad continuity.

[lefty20]

Sam was sure quick to point out to the banker who he was tho. Dunno

True. But there's still a difference between that and taking a hand out from Stark/Potts. His Falcon identity is not really beholden to Stark/Avengers. He was that long before he first joined up with Cap & BW.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Imagine being over 30 and still being interested in kid's comics. For shame. I guess all of you are Avante after all.

[cd021]

Has anyone considered that Stark did set up something to support the Avengers but Sam's pride might be getting in the way of taking that helping hand?
The banker said something like "I always wondered if you guys got paid, like did Stark pay you?"
Sam "It doesn't really work like that"

I don't think they got paid, in the traditional sense of the word. Maybe they can use their likeness for endorsement deals and get that side hustle money. Cap probably got paid directly through Shield because he worked for them. He also mentioned that he couldn't afford a place in "Brooklyn", suggesting that he got paid, but not a lot--relatively speaking.

Rhodey is a cornel so the government is paying him while others don't actually have a day-job.

[cd021]

I would imagine he was already getting paid by Stark in between avengers 2 and civil war, Why stop? Like i said it's just bad continuity.

Don't think it is. For all we know, he got free room and board living at Avengers Tower and maybe access to an corporate credit card. That's not really a job with a salary and full beni's once Cap and company noped out of the Sacovia Accords, that arrangement went to shit, then he got snapped for 5 years. now, he's trying to put his life back together following the blip and post Thanos battle.

[cd021]

This is weird for me. Who is Nick Fury and his people working for now? Is Sword kinda going to replace Shield? I assumed Fury will be the leader of Shield, but yea, it looks like its gone.

Its unclear if Fury helped Maria Rambeau get Sword off the ground and had duel roles as director of Shield and a Senior role in sword. Makes sense that with Maria gone during the five year snap period, and Shield gone, that Fury would take over the big picture stuff for Sword.

Sword is supposed to be the intergalactic Shield, so technically he sort of is.

[Blake]

The banker said something like "I always wondered if you guys got paid, like did Stark pay you?"
Sam "It doesn't really work like that"

I don't think they got paid, in the traditional sense of the word. Maybe they can use their likeness for endorsement deals and get that side hustle money. Cap probably got paid directly through Shield because he worked for them. He also mentioned that he couldn't afford a place in "Brooklyn", suggesting that he got paid, but not a lot--relatively speaking.

Rhodey is a cornel so the government is paying him while others don't actually have a day-job.

Yeah, that's how I see it

[lefty]

Imagine being over 30 and still being interested in kid's comics. For shame. I guess all of you are Avante after all.

Thank you for you insight grandpa

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I watched Snyder League. 4 fucking hours of hungover stasis on the couch. Actually was not that bad, and for a lazy sunday, very watchable. Pretty darn good by DC standards. No way I'd sit in a theater for that tho. Perfect for today's era.

DC Shoehorns so much shit in tho. It's kinda sad. Battfleck kinda grew on me too.
The Flash was funny, but did they have to totally rip off Evan Peters ADD schtick? Come on, DC, that shit was so transparent :lol

[lefty]

Batfleck is awesome tbh

But whatshername playing WW is a terrible actress and an even worse person

[Texas_Ranger]

I watched Snyder League. 4 fucking hours of hungover stasis on the couch. Actually was not that bad, and for a lazy sunday, very watchable. Pretty darn good by DC standards. No way I'd sit in a theater for that tho. Perfect for today's era.

DC Shoehorns so much shit in tho. It's kinda sad. Battfleck kinda grew on me too.
The Flash was funny, but did they have to totally rip off Evan Peters ADD schtick? Come on, DC, that shit was so transparent :lol

yea its better than the original, but there's a lot of slow scenes and slow motion in this. It needs another cut, as there's at least 30 min of nothing there. I think its an above average movie now, so i gave it a 6.
Affleck was never a problem for me. Its just that i'd like to see him in his own movie before bvs.
Flash was the worst part for me. He's just not funny to me.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

yea its better than the original, but there's a lot of slow scenes and slow motion in this. It needs another cut, as there's at least 30 min of nothing there. I think its an above average movie now, so i gave it a 6.
Affleck was never a problem for me. Its just that i'd like to see him in his own movie before bvs.
Flash was the worst part for me. He's just not funny to me.

Yeah I can def see how Flash would have annoyed the shit outta people. I only seen this 4 hr version so his blatant Evan Peters ripoff was counterintuitively a breath of fresh air for me lol

[Xevious]

First episode was okay. I always have liked Bucky and am glad they're exploring his mental health after everything he's been through and done.

Sam though is boring. They have some work to do to flesh out his character (having him apply for a loan with his sister isn't going to cut it). Thus far he's been nothing but a sidekick to Captain America and as a superhero offers nothing that Ironman or War Machine couldn't do better.

They're telegraphing his eventual taking up the Cap America mantel pretty hard too.

[lefty]

Yeah I didn't care for Sam when he first appeared in the MCU, felt like he was the standard beta wingman/token black guy

But I like him so far in this series and he has good chemistry with Stan, I think McKie will shine in this now that he doesn't have to play a sidekick anymore

[Xevious]

Yeah I didn't care for Sam when he first appeared in the MCU, felt like he was the standard beta wingman/token black guy

But I like him so far in this series and he has good chemistry with Stan, I think McKie will shine in this now that he doesn't have to play a sidekick anymore
Yeah, I know he has the chops for a larger role. But his sole purpose in the MCU has been to give Chris Evans something to play off of. If you delete him from any movie he's been in, you'd miss very little. As I said, they have some work to do to make him a real character.

[lefty]

Yeah, I know he has the chops for a larger role. But his sole purpose in the MCU has been to give Chris Evans something to play off of. If you delete him from any movie he's been in, you'd miss very little. As I said, they have some work to do to make him a real character.
Agreed

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I know he has the chops for a larger role. But his sole purpose in the MCU has been to give Chris Evans something to play off of. If you delete him from any movie he's been in, you'd miss very little. As I said, they have some work to do to make him a real character.If they follow the comic arcs that won't be an issue.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

FAWS is only 6 episodes???? danngg....

[lefty]

FAWS is only 6 episodes???? danngg....

yup that sucks ass tbh

Tho episode 1 was almost 1 hour long

Haven’t checked the runtime for the remaining 5, hoping it’s as long as epi 1

[lefty]

1374951870259662849

[lefty]

https://ibb.co/2KGLp2C


Mordo's look is closer to his comic version with the beard and long hair

[RandomGuy]

Started watching the Snyder cut Justice League.

Looks like it is a LONG one, but it is holy fuckballs good so far.

[ChumpDumper]

Started watching the Snyder cut Justice League.

Looks like it is a LONG one, but it is holy fuckballs good so far.Cyborg's arc is pretty impressive. Some things still make no sense and the CGI is still a touch below the Marvel standard, but it's criminal how much better it is than Whedon's crap.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Cyborg's arc is pretty impressive. Some things still make no and the CGI is still a touch below the Marvel standard, but it's criminal how much better it is than Whedon's crap.

:lol
Man my dad is over 70 and we watched the whole thing together in one sitting and he barely dozed off, stayed up the whole time.
Funniest shit. Even kept his attention. For FOUR HOURS

[leemajors]

:lol
Man my dad is over 70 and we watched the whole thing together in one sitting and he barely dozed off, stayed up the whole time.
Funniest shit. Even kept his attention. For FOUR HOURS

Weird, I struggled watching the first hour over two days.

[lefty]

I posted Dr Strange 2 concept arts and you guys talk about a shit DC movie in the Alpha thread


:cry fuck you tbh

[RandomGuy]

I posted Dr Strange 2 concept arts and you guys talk about a shit DC movie in the Alpha thread


:cry fuck you tbh

heh. Touche

[Texas_Ranger]

Cyborg's arc is pretty impressive. Some things still make no sense and the CGI is still a touch below the Marvel standard, but it's criminal how much better it is than Whedon's crap.

all the characters got more to do here. Well, perhaps Superman not really, but others did get more screen time and their stories were pretty solid. And even if I didnt like the Flash I gotta say his last scene was probably the best part of the film.

Id still rather marathon all 3 LOTR extended editions than watch this again.

[spurraider21]

I posted Dr Strange 2 concept arts and you guys talk about a shit DC movie in the Alpha thread


:cry fuck you tbh
"DC Comics"

*ding*

[lefty]

"DC Comics"

*ding*
I understood that reference

[lefty]

Another great episode

But Henry Jackman has to stop recycling his soundtracks and come up with something fresh

[spurraider21]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YIp-0V6YKfQ/hqdefault.jpg

[DMC]

The 2nd episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier was pretty bland.

[cd021]

The 2nd episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier was pretty bland.
Disagree, tbh. Thought it was pretty great.

[DMC]

Disagree, tbh. Thought it was pretty great.

Marvel characters in therapy talking about their feelings? Yeah.. no

[lefty]

Marvel characters in therapy talking about their feelings? Yeah.. no
lol it’s not the comics, ptsd and trauma are a thing

[LaMarcus Bryant]

lol it’s not the comics, ptsd and trauma are a thing

This show sounds whack so far. Need Bucky fighting Hydra and Zemo going ape

[lefty]

This show sounds whack so far. Need Bucky fighting Hydra and Zemo going ape
Yes because fighting works 24/7 lol

I know this show could see more action, but when you think about it, we have had 2 amazing action sequences in the 1st 2 episodes.
I"ve seen a lot of great shows start slower than that

And with Zemo out, we should have more chaos thus more action
Plus I have a feeling Isaiah Bradley or even his grandson (a young Avenger in the comics) might eventually show up again

But yeah, thanks to those action being awesome, we want more so they better deliver :lol

[lefty]

:lol Zemo dancing tbh

[cd021]

interesting characterizations of Zemo and Sharon. Zemo being rich and worldly kinda works, while Sharon turning cynical and motivated by self-interest both works but are kinda jarring compared to the last time we saw them.

Almost certain that T'Challa was going to be the one that finds Bucky before... you know :( . Still interested to see a Wakandan getting into the fight.

[lefty]

interesting characterizations of Zemo and Sharon. Zemo being rich and worldly kinda works, while Sharon turning cynical and motivated by self-interest both works but are kinda jarring compared to the last time we saw them.

Almost certain that T'Challa was going to be the one that finds Bucky before... you know :( . Still interested to see a Wakandan getting into the fight.

i didn’t expect them to make him a Baron like in the comics

[lefty20]

Sharon Carter gonna be the power broker ain't she?

It's either her or.... Mephisto, tbh.

[lefty]

Sharon Carter gonna be the power broker ain't she?

It's either her or.... Mephisto, tbh.

She has to be Mephisto

But seriously I think she’s working for the PB , maybe infiltrating him

I think the PB might be The Mandarin tbh........

This episode was written by John Wick’s creator, kinda got the same vibe

[Blake]

I could see Doom being the power broker.

[lefty]

I could see Doom being the power broker.

Latveria might be a thing now since new borders/nations hsve been introduced

[Blake]

Latveria might be a thing now since new borders/nations hsve been introduced

When it said "Latvia" it almost had me

[steak n eggs]

Looking forward to Loki. I’m starting to enjoy the shows more than the movies. I think you can build storylines faster through weekly stories. Maybe keep the larger events reserved for the big screen.

[lefty]

https://www.ign.com/articles/netflix-makes-deal-for-rights-to-sony-pictures-including-upcoming-spider-man-films

Netflix Acquires Right to Stream Sony Films, Like Spider-Man, After Theatrical Run

[lefty]

Bruhl wasn’t lying, there is a longer cut of him dancing :lol

https://youtu.be/5nEzCv5u1O8

[steak n eggs]

Well that escalated quickly. Pretty good ending to episode 4. Final image of John Walker was a big departure from the last Cap.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Bruhl wasn’t lying, there is a longer cut of him dancing :lol

https://youtu.be/5nEzCv5u1O8

:lol

[lefty20]

Captain Abomination reporting for duty, tbh.

[Blake]

I don't hate this show and I don't love it. Just meh.

[cd021]

I don't hate this show and I don't love it. Just meh.

The Carly Morgenthau part of the show is the least interesting part tbh, that's my biggest criticism. Far more interested in the Bucky-Sam-Zemo dynamic and the Bucky-Sam-Walker dynamics. Those are the most interesting parts that they should lean into more. Also like Sharon Carter and the Dora Milaje showing up, kind of feels like a direct continuation of the Cap franchise, Infinity War, and Endgame.

[cd021]

Looking forward to Loki. I’m starting to enjoy the shows more than the movies. I think you can build storylines faster through weekly stories. Maybe keep the larger events reserved for the big screen.
Yeah, I'm really digging the week-to week format. Especially since it's giving a lot more screen time to characters like Wanda, Vision, Bucky, Sam, Rhodey, and Loki.

[Blake]

The Carly Morgenthau part of the show is the least interesting part tbh, that's my biggest criticism. Far more interested in the Bucky-Sam-Zemo dynamic and the Bucky-Sam-Walker dynamics. Those are the most interesting parts that they should lean into more. Also like Sharon Carter and the Dora Milaje showing up, kind of feels like a direct continuation of the Cap franchise, Infinity War, and Endgame.

Carly is a very underwhelming villain so far. The whole story line is thin. There's no running backstory either.

[djohn2oo8]

Well that escalated quickly. Pretty good ending to episode 4. Final image of John Walker was a big departure from the last Cap.
Cant believe they had the balls to pull that off.

[djohn2oo8]

Setting up for young avengers and thunderbolts

[cd021]

Carly is a very underwhelming villain so far. The whole story line is thin. There's no running backstory either.

Apparently the flagsmashers story line got drastically cut. There was originally going to be a "Madbomb" storyline where they unleash a bomb that turns people crazy as a means of population control/terrorism.

With the pandemic, they cut the story-line leaving a big whole in that side of the story. Too bad.

[Blake]

If anyone in this thread hasn't checked out "Invincible" yet on Amazon prime, you might want to. At times it seems like rated PG stuff that's already been done over and over (probably on purpose since they don't even hide that Jk Simmons character looks just like JJ Jameson among other things)... And then suddenly it will take a violent turn with nice plot twist. 8/10, imo

[Xevious]

I don't hate this show and I don't love it. Just meh.
Kind of my thoughts. I'm interested in the Sam/Bucky/New Captain America dynamic, but the Flagsmashers/super soldier serum stuff is pretty bland so far.

[lefty]

lol I didn’t expect that cameo at all

Also there is a post credit scene for those who missed it

[lefty20]

So WandaVision was clearly a set up for DS: MoM. What movie are they setting up with this show? Doesn't look like this story line fits in with any of the announced upcoming flicks.

Or will they simply continue with a Season 2?

[lefty]

So WandaVision was clearly a set up for DS: MoM. What movie are they setting up with this show? Doesn't look like this story line fits in with any of the announced upcoming flicks.

Or will they simply continue with a Season 2?

Not an immediate movie
Or maybe another series

Or nothing at all lol

[cd021]

So WandaVision was clearly a set up for DS: MoM. What movie are they setting up with this show? Doesn't look like this story line fits in with any of the announced upcoming flicks.

Or will they simply continue with a Season 2?
Probably a season 2 or maybe a new Captain America trilogy feature Cap-Falcon, TWS, and the new Falcon. I guess if Rhodey appears again, it could set up armor wars.

[steak n eggs]

Will Sam Wilson Cap always need a partner to defeat his enemies though? I mean he really doesn't get the shield from Walker without Bucky's help. It took Bucky and super soldier serum Cap to beat Iron Man. I think it's fine to change the person with the Captain America title but I'd still like him/her to be slightly above the average human when it comes to super powers. Or will the suit from Wakanda compensate? Using the same technology from Black Panther's suit. And I hope it leads to another movie at some point.

[djohn2oo8]

It’s supposed to be a multi season series. Someone said it could be a set up for Secret Wars

[TDMVPDPOY]

man that new venom comic story with the god of darkness....that should be turn into a movie...

[cd021]

It’s supposed to be a multi season series. Someone said it could be a set up for Secret Wars
It hasn't been confirmed for season 2. This just might be just be its own thing with characters moving on to different properties. Only What If...? and Loki are confirmed as having season 2 with She Hulk and Ms. Marvel and Moon Knight being probable.

This and Wanda-Vision could spin off into its own things. Maybe Wanda and White Vision in a West Coast Avengers show and Cap-Falcon possibly showing up in Armor Wars and Secret Invasion and then appearing in New Avengers along with Bucky, Wanda and Vision.

[Texas_Ranger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giWIr7U1deA&ab_channel=MarvelEntertainment

[Blake]

Lol didn't know angry Cap Walker is Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn son, but it's now easy to see the resemblance to Kurt

[lefty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giWIr7U1deA&ab_channel=MarvelEntertainment
Yay we finally get to see the Mandarin

[LaMarcus Bryant]

People shitting on TFATWS for being all woke and librul

[lefty]

People shitting on TFATWS for being all woke and librul
Snowflakes are offended by TFATWS?
Big surprise

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Show is aight.
Bucky seems weak as fuck in this show. Also the super soldiers seem so variably strong from movie to show to scene to scene.

Carli and the flagkillers or whatever is a pretty weak storyline like others said. Don't really care about any of them or their cause.
The shield chick being some fake art smuggling god in the hidden country was kinda weak too but it kept the storyline moving so whatever.

Zemo stealing the show as expected. I'm hoping he isn't the power broker in the finale, that would be pretty weak.

I want to see more Bucky kicking ass but whatever, guess it isn't really where the show wants to go.

Captain abomination :lol he turned to the dark side quickly but whatever we only got 6 episodes, so i like how it kept the story moving. Wish we coulda seen some HBO GoT action and blood in these scenes.

[Blake]

Lol did I miss what Evil Cap is making his shield out of? I mean it looks like he cut up some garbage can lids and started spray painting the star on it.

Also lol at how Sam and Bucky are both awesome frisbee throwers right off the bat.

I really wanna like this show but damn :lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Lol did I miss what Evil Cap is making his shield out of? I mean it looks like he cut up some garbage can lids and started spray painting the star on it.

Also lol at how Sam and Bucky are both awesome frisbee throwers right off the bat.

I really wanna like this show but damn :lol

Yeah the show is taking some big leaps with liberties like that but whatevs

[Xevious]

Lol did I miss what Evil Cap is making his shield out of? I mean it looks like he cut up some garbage can lids and started spray painting the star on it.

Also lol at how Sam and Bucky are both awesome frisbee throwers right off the bat.

I really wanna like this show but damn :lol
At least Bucky, like Cap, is strong. Sam is just a normal dude. Him throwing the shield with such speed and precision looked a little ridiculous, especially while he was flipping around. My wife (who isn't a comic book person at all) asked if the shield gave special powers. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giWIr7U1deA&ab_channel=MarvelEntertainmentNow I just imagine the car rental guy from Kim's Convenience has a secret life.

[johnsmith]

Lol did I miss what Evil Cap is making his shield out of? I mean it looks like he cut up some garbage can lids and started spray painting the star on it.

Also lol at how Sam and Bucky are both awesome frisbee throwers right off the bat.

I really wanna like this show but damn :lol

My wife called it the dollar store version.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

At least Bucky, like Cap, is strong. Sam is just a normal dude. Him throwing the shield with such speed and precision looked a little ridiculous, especially while he was flipping around. My wife (who isn't a comic book person at all) asked if the shield gave special powers. :lol

Yeah, him catching it should have ripped his head off, tbh

[Blake]

At least Bucky, like Cap, is strong. Sam is just a normal dude. Him throwing the shield with such speed and precision looked a little ridiculous, especially while he was flipping around. My wife (who isn't a comic book person at all) asked if the shield gave special powers. :lol

:lol I mean I was a bit shocked when Walker threw the shield into the wall that one time but then we find out quickly he had taken the serum.

But Sam putting a gash into the tree and then later catching the shield with his bare hands? Why don't all the bad guys just catch it like that?

[Blake]

Yeah, him catching it should have ripped his head off, tbh

Exactly lol

[Neo.]

Lol did I miss what Evil Cap is making his shield out of? I mean it looks like he cut up some garbage can lids and started spray painting the star on it.

Also lol at how Sam and Bucky are both awesome frisbee throwers right off the bat.

I really wanna like this show but damn :lol

bucky i understand

sam i wouldnt, but i thought there was a line in there that alluded to sam having spent a lot of time practicing in that area with the shield previously, but then stopped when he decided not to take on the cap mantle. i could be wrong though.

[johnsmith]

I mean, it’s also a world where time travel exists, a witch makes a fake neighborhood, and a purple alien snapped existence in half.

[cd021]

Show is aight.
Bucky seems weak as fuck in this show. Also the super soldiers seem so variably strong from movie to show to scene to scene.

Carli and the flagkillers or whatever is a pretty weak storyline like others said. Don't really care about any of them or their cause.
The shield chick being some fake art smuggling god in the hidden country was kinda weak too but it kept the storyline moving so whatever.

Zemo stealing the show as expected. I'm hoping he isn't the power broker in the finale, that would be pretty weak.

I want to see more Bucky kicking ass but whatever, guess it isn't really where the show wants to go.

Captain abomination :lol he turned to the dark side quickly but whatever we only got 6 episodes, so i like how it kept the story moving. Wish we coulda seen some HBO GoT action and blood in these scenes.

-I've kinda thought that they've undersold Bucky being a super-soldier previous to this. To be honest, I forgot that he was one until the second episode. It was like his super-power was that he had a metal arm. I think he's been a bad-ass for the most part though, his going at Walker was fucking great. Though he does seem to get worked by most other super-soldiers in Civil War and this show for some reason.

-There was a pandemic story-line that got cut. There was a you-tube video that pointed out all of the random refences to people being sick (the flag-smashes transporting vaccines, the funeral for the woman that died of TB etc). I heard that the Flag-Smashers were supposed to do something involving chemical warfare to cause chaos. Without all that, their story-line doesn't really seem that interesting.

-Zemo's pretty goddamn great tbh. Kinda think that he is because there hasn't been that scene from the trailer where he's putting on his mask.

-It had to happen in basically three episodes but I thought that it did a pretty good job. Russell is doing pretty great work showing his instability and insecurity. People disrespecting his as Cap, The Dora Milaje handing him his ass, him then taking the serium and making him more unstable, and then Battlestar getting killed, sent him over the edge. Curious to see what shit he does next.

[cd021]

Lol did I miss what Evil Cap is making his shield out of? I mean it looks like he cut up some garbage can lids and started spray painting the star on it.

Also lol at how Sam and Bucky are both awesome frisbee throwers right off the bat.

I really wanna like this show but damn :lol

-I don't get the point of him making a shield if it doesn't work anything like the real one tbh.

-I mean it is technically is a vibranium frisbee. Didn't Nat throw the shield like that IIRC, its kinda weird but not so crazy compared to the fact that Bucky basically got put cryogenics multiple times over the decades and he's really only like 30.

[cd021]

The Shang Chi trailer was pretty great tbh looks good.

[lefty20]

Shang-Chi looks awesome. The music in the trailer is fire, tbh.

[lefty]

I think I spotted what looks like Madripoor in the trailer

[Blake]

Is the power broker going to show up in Shang-Chi

[LaMarcus Bryant]

-I've kinda thought that they've undersold Bucky being a super-soldier previous to this. To be honest, I forgot that he was one until the second episode. It was like his super-power was that he had a metal arm. I think he's been a bad-ass for the most part though, his going at Walker was fucking great. Though he does seem to get worked by most other super-soldiers in Civil War and this show for some reason.

-There was a pandemic story-line that got cut. There was a you-tube video that pointed out all of the random refences to people being sick (the flag-smashes transporting vaccines, the funeral for the woman that died of TB etc). I heard that the Flag-Smashers were supposed to do something involving chemical warfare to cause chaos. Without all that, their story-line doesn't really seem that interesting.

-Zemo's pretty goddamn great tbh. Kinda think that he is because there hasn't been that scene from the trailer where he's putting on his mask.

-It had to happen in basically three episodes but I thought that it did a pretty good job. Russell is doing pretty great work showing his instability and insecurity. People disrespecting his as Cap, The Dora Milaje handing him his ass, him then taking the serium and making him more unstable, and then Battlestar getting killed, sent him over the edge. Curious to see what shit he does next.

Really? I thought Bucky was great in Civil War, he was on the run but he went at it with Black Panther, etc. It was the IW saga that he was pretty much a metal arm giant gun guy to me. Maybe I gotta peep CW again.
Zemo put on a purple ski mask for no reason for 5 seconds while the gang was kicking ass after they killed that Serum Scientist. LOL was weird, he put it on, killed some people, took it off.
Yeah Russell is doing a great job at being a puncheable hateable face, I'll give him that LOL. Great contrast to Evans.

[cd021]

Really? I thought Bucky was great in Civil War, he was on the run but he went at it with Black Panther, etc. It was the IW saga that he was pretty much a metal arm giant gun guy to me. Maybe I gotta peep CW again.
Zemo put on a purple ski mask for no reason for 5 seconds while the gang was kicking ass after they killed that Serum Scientist. LOL was weird, he put it on, killed some people, took it off.
Yeah Russell is doing a great job at being a puncheable hateable face, I'll give him that LOL. Great contrast to Evans.

He was cool in Civil War but I meant that it was easy to forget that he's a super-soldier. Felt like they emphasized the metal arm rather than that he was a Super-Soldier and had a metal arm. When he's running through the airport terminal, Falcon is keeping up but now he's running as fast as a box truck. Kinda weird.

There's a clip of Zemo putting the mask on and staring into a camera. He wasn't actually shown putting on the mask in episode 3. Pretty sure he's going to appear on the big screen at the U.N meeting.

[cd021]

Russell Crowe confirms that he's playing Zeus in Thor 4. Eventually setting up Hercules in the MCU tbh

[lefty20]

Bit of an underwhelming finale, but it still had it's moments.

Right about Sharon Carter doe, wonder what exactly her endgame is.

Edit: Thunderbolts... lets fucking go! Excited to see how Marvel uses them.

[Texas_Ranger]

Bucky has really been shit since civil war. The show was meh. I think John Walker was the best part about the show, followed by Zemo and Sam.

[cd021]

Thought they nailed the finale tbh. Unlike Wanda-Vision which kinda built to a B Finale at best. There's a legit 30 minutes of action and they manage to wrap up pretty much all of the plot-lines while leaving some open to be explored later.

[cd021]

Bit of an underwhelming finale, but it still had it's moments.

Right about Sharon Carter doe, wonder what exactly her endgame is.

Edit: Thunderbolts... lets fucking go! Excited to see how Marvel uses them.

They're definitely building towards the Thunderbolts, Young Avengers and West Coast Avengers tbh

[Neo.]

i enjoyed the finale overall. not absolutely amazing or anything, and maybe a little more time could have been given to john walkers story but it was all solid enough

[Trainwreck2100]

love that symbolism where the guard tells them "one world, one people" before they get blown up, because zemo don't see them as the same people

[lefty]

- Sam’s new costume looks goofy AF :lmao
- Sharon shooting Karli in the last second was so predictable :lol
- At least the action was awesome

[lefty20]

Looks like we're getting Cap 4 movie instead of a second season.

https://deadline.com/2021/04/captain-america-4-in-development-with-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-ep-malcolm-spellman-writing-1234742675/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-america-4-in-the-works-with-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-showrunner-malcolm-spellman-exclusive

[Blake]

Lol I like how the senators just stood there and took the verbal undressing from Captain Samerica.

The whole show ended up being less than meh. The villains were awful, especially Maya Rudolph. 4/10

[Blake]

I also like how a cheap desk chair was able to cancel out a shield throw. Lulz.

[Kim Jong-il]

So far Marvel TV is two kinda fun shows that were ultimately misfires. WandaVision for going way off the deep end, FATWS for playing it way too safe.

Like almost every Marvel movie, every beat of this show was utterly predictable, but it was still fun to watch for the most part.

[lefty]

:lol
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[Kim Jong-il]

I also like how a cheap desk chair was able to cancel out a shield throw. Lulz.
Also a helicopter bouncing off a bridge and leaving almost no damage :lol

[lefty]

So in the post credit scene, Sharon talks about accessing weapons and stuff

Does that lead to the War Machine series?

Sharon could also be the MCU’s first undercover Skrull villain

[cd021]

So in the post credit scene, Sharon talks about accessing weapons and stuff

Does that lead to the War Machine series?

Sharon could also be the MCU’s first undercover Skrull villain

Hadn't considered that, though would it make since for an alien to be lining up buyers?

The lead into Armor Wars might be interesting though the Government doesn't own Stark Tech.

[spurraider21]

Russell Crowe confirms that he's playing Zeus in Thor 4. Eventually setting up Hercules in the MCU tbh
so basically the same crossover as God of War :lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I'm confused so was the former SHIELD chick the power broker?

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm confused so was the former SHIELD chick the power broker?
Yes

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Yes

That was super obvious at the start she was shady, but idk just felt weird the way they did it

[cd021]

That was super obvious at the start she was shady, but idk just felt weird the way they did it
Agreed. Felt like they didn't try to hide it but also felt like they treated it as a big reveal in the final episode.

[ChumpDumper]

First Marvel series I thought could use two more episodes for a change. Seemed pretty rushed for both introducing Sam's Cap and completely resolving Bucky's entire character arc. They thoroughly nerfed Bucky after CA:TWS; at the very least they should've had him running alongside Steve and T'Challa at the initial charge in Wakanda and doing more than shooting a talking racoon at some aliens. They barely scratched the surface on his experience and collected knowledge but he's apparently over it so maybe he'll be the "I know a guy" guy in the next Cap movie or US Agent series....

Overall a mild disappointment full of pretty obvious missed opportunities. Action was pretty great but as mentioned the bad guys were hardly there and their plan and philosophy were threadbare. Sam's arc worked but at the price of four or five more complex and compelling characters that could've had their respective pasts/presents fleshed out in their own episodes like bad ol' Marvel TV used to do.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Yeah I hate how they haven't let Bucky unleash the fury. He was pointless in IW lol just shooting his giant gun.

Was hoping this would be his chance to shine but it was all the mental health stuff, which he did great, but still.

[lefty]

Yeah I hate how they haven't let Bucky unleash the fury. He was pointless in IW lol just shooting his giant gun.

Was hoping this would be his chance to shine but it was all the mental health stuff, which he did great, but still.
I don’t hate normal Bucky, but I prefer mind controlled assassin Winter Soldier, so that flashback scene early in the season where he kills those dudes and the witness with the winter soldier theme playing in the background was fucking awesome

[ChumpDumper]

I mean a flashback fight between Bucky and Isiah would've been a fucking amazing reveal for the latter.

[lefty]

I mean a flashback fight between Bucky and Isiah would've been a fucking amazing reveal for the latter.

Yep seeing Bradley ripping his arm off would have been great
Carl Lumbry looked massive in the show, pretty much like Bradley was in the comics (ok not as big, but realistically big lol)

[Xevious]

A few things...

The Flagsmashers were crap villains. I mean without going back and rewatching episodes, I don't even think I could explain to somebody who they are or what their motives were.

Sam looks absolutely ridiculous in his new costume. Put a fucking helmet on or something.

They might as well have just called this series The Falcon. Bucky gets criminally underused again, this time in a series where he shares top billing. I especially liked the "Captain America and the Winter Soldier" title at the end. Sam gets a name change, but Bucky is stuck with his brainwashed Hydra assassin name that he's been trying to make amends for. :lol

[lefty]

Tbf Sam’s new suit is 100% comic accurate so that’s why he didn’t have a helmet
But yeah he does look goody in it tbh :lol

[lefty]

As for the flag smashers motivations, I don’t know if the original plot would have made them more interesting and substantial, as they had to change a lot of things due to the pandemic

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I mean a flashback fight between Bucky and Isiah would've been a fucking amazing reveal for the latter.

They really missed an opportunity there :(

[lefty]

- By the way I recently read the Isaiah Bradley related comics , it's called Truth : Red, White and Black
Good shit tbh :wow

- Chloé Zhao won the Oscar for best Director (for Nomadland, best picture); she is directing Eternals so the bar is high

[cd021]

- By the way I recently read the Isaiah Bradley related comics , it's called Truth : Red, White and Black
Good shit tbh :wow

- Chloé Zhao won the Oscar for best Director (for Nomadland, best picture); she is directing Eternals so the bar is high

Rumor has it that Marvel pushed the Eternals all the way back to November in part because they were so impressed and wanted it to be considered for Oscar season. We'll see though

[cd021]

Really like that they're doing Captain American 4. A second trilogy under the Captain America banner is pretty cool with the first three focusing on Rodgers, FATWS being the interlude and a second trilogy focusing on Wilson tbh.

[Trainwreck2100]

Really like that they're doing Captain American 4. A second trilogy under the Captain America banner is pretty cool with the first three focusing on Rodgers, FATWS being the interlude and a second trilogy focusing on Wilson tbh.
We'll see how good CA4 does in theaters, like the black widow, that's not one I plan on seeing in the theaters.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm looking forward to watching all the big movies in theaters again. I guess BW will be the first.

[lefty]

Rumor has it that Marvel pushed the Eternals all the way back to November in part because they were so impressed and wanted it to be considered for Oscar season. We'll see though

or just put “by Oscar winning Director” in their trailer lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

New MCU phase trailer

I just busted all over the place

[cd021]

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Captain Marvel 2 retitled "The Marvels"

[cd021]

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[LaMarcus Bryant]

1389203814251646978
Captain Marvel 2 retitled "The Marvels"

:lol Brie is finished

[lefty]

:lol Brie Cheese Larson

[lefty]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0d13yBXMAMj0j6?format=jpg&name=large

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Brie is finishedWhy would she be finished?

Just looks like they're including Kamala and Monica.

Not defending her acting or her character as currently written....

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Why would she be finished?

Just looks like they're including Kamala and Monica.

Not defending her acting or her character as currently written....

shh just let me troll

Monica's character is pretty dry imo, but seems I'm in the minority there.

[ChumpDumper]

shh just let me troll

Monica's character is pretty dry imo, but seems I'm in the minority there.I agree she was an afterthought in WV. Hopefully they fix that but the writers might get drunk on girl power. Kamala's outfit looks OK at least.

[Trainwreck2100]

shh just let me troll

Monica's character is pretty dry imo, but seems I'm in the minority there.

nah she sucked, Kamala's probably going to suck too.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I wonder how social media will react to a superhero woke girl power type that has the same exact name as a sitting vice president lmfao

Imagine an Army general in a shitty Bay Transformers film being named Gen W. Cheney

[ChumpDumper]

nah she sucked, Kamala's probably going to suck too.

Gonna be hard to make Kamala suck with ~8 hours of character development but I guess it's possible. Marvel's YA stuff has been pretty good overall -- with any luck Disney+ won't be too afraid of the adult stuff, following the examples of The Runaways and especially Cloak and Dagger. I do expect Ms. Marvel to be woke AF.

[Trainwreck2100]

Gonna be hard to make Kamala suck with ~8 hours of character development but I guess it's possible. Marvel's YA stuff has been pretty good overall -- with any luck Disney+ won't be too afraid of the adult stuff, following the examples of The Runaways and especially Cloak and Dagger. I do expect Ms. Marvel to be woke AF.

Just look at falcon, they did nothing to flesh out his hesitancy for taking the mantle, it was an acknowledged issue for like maybe 30 minutes of the show. All of it ended in a "captain america speech" which was way too long. in terms of character development walker, bucky, zemo, and old black guy had better arcs and story telling in far less time.

[lefty]

Just look at falcon, they did nothing to flesh out his hesitancy for taking the mantle, it was an acknowledged issue for like maybe 30 minutes of the show. All of it ended in a "captain america speech" which was way too long. in terms of character development walker, bucky, zemo, and old black guy had better arcs and story telling in far less time.
Well in Endgame he did look like he wasn’t sure tbh

[Trainwreck2100]

Well in Endgame he did look like he wasn’t sure tbh

yeah but the spent too much of the show humanizing him, (:cry muh boat)they didn't need to, he's fucking human.

[ChumpDumper]

Just look at falcon, they did nothing to flesh out his hesitancy for taking the mantle, it was an acknowledged issue for like maybe 30 minutes of the show. All of it ended in a "captain america speech" which was way too long. in terms of character development walker, bucky, zemo, and old black guy had better arcs and story telling in far less time.
Sure, there were problems with a rookie writer who seemed overwhelmed with too many choices and too little screen time, but Sam's character couldn't really be ruined since he was so well-developed in two movies. Carol Danvers is ruined IMO because she is now basically glowy Superman without his clearly defined vulnerabilities. I figure there will be a lot of family hokum and hamfisted prejudice for Kamala to deal with, but it's a YA character that has to be judged that way.

[Trainwreck2100]

Sure, there were problems with a rookie writer who seemed overwhelmed with too many choices and too little screen time, but Sam's character couldn't really be ruined since he was so well-developed in two movies. Carol Danvers is ruined IMO because she is now basically glowy Superman without his clearly defined vulnerabilities. I figure there will be a lot of family hokum and hamfisted prejudice for Kamala to deal with, but it's a YA character that has to be judged that way.

I didn't say his character was ruined though, I said they made his character suck, which it did. You said it would be hard to make a character suck with 8 hours screen time. They absolutely can. Both of their series so far they've had issues actually making half of the title characters work. I'd say wanda was almost bad, character development wise. Visions arc was better of the two, IMO once again with less screen time.

[lefty]

yeah but the spent too much of the show humanizing him, (:cry muh boat)they didn't need to, he's fucking human.
true true

But Sam Wilson has grown on me tbh, mostly thanks to this show


Before he was the ultimate wingman, beta token black guy who followed Cap lile a little dog :lol

At least Rhodey knew when to push back