Marvel is announcing a sh..load of new movies OMG

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't say his character was ruined though, I said they made his character suck, which it did. You said it would be hard to make a character suck with 8 hours screen time. They absolutely can. Both of their series so far they've had issues actually making half of the title characters work. I'd say wanda was almost bad, character development wise. Visions arc was better of the two, IMO once again with less screen time.Ah, difference of opinion. I didn't think they sucked. I think there were missed opportunities in both series. I hope they lean into Wanda's being kind of a bad guy now that she's overpowered. FAWS seems like a victim of the COVID shutdown so I hope and expect the movie will have more focus.

The Disney+ stuff is pretty new territory and I think they have ignored the occasional but real long form successes of the old Marvel TV division. It's mostly snobbery but that's the business.

[Trainwreck2100]

true true

But Sam Wilson has grown on me tbh, mostly thanks to this show


Before he was the ultimate wingman, beta token black guy who followed Cap lile a little dog :lol

At least Rhodey knew when to push back

Brah that's cause Cap was never wrong there was nothing to push back. I think they fucked up by not letting him be the one to save rhodey all the way back in civil war. The fall at this point meant nothing anyway. What was his only other solo hero moment, the fight with crossbones?

[lefty]

Brah that's cause Cap was never wrong there was nothing to push back. I think they fucked up by not letting him be the one to save rhodey all the way back in civil war. The fall at this point meant nothing anyway. What was his only other solo hero moment, the fight with crossbones?
Not saying Cap was wrong but from the moment Sam met Cap in CA:TWS he decided he was going to be his puppy
At that point he didn't know Steve well yet, only by reputation

[Trainwreck2100]

Not saying Cap was wrong but from the moment Sam met Cap in CA:TWS he decided he was going to be his puppy
At that point he didn't know Steve well yet, only by reputation

In that world captain America was a WW2 vet and saved the world with the avengers so that's a pretty good reputation. Also, remember Cap does go out of his way to break into a heavily guarded base to get Sam his suit back.

[lefty]

In that world captain America was a WW2 vet and saved the world with the avengers so that's a pretty good reputation. Also, remember Cap does go out of his way to break into a heavily guarded base to get Sam his suit back.
Yeah it'S pretty good reputation, no question
But still, at that point Sam didn't know him well and that's a fact

Yes Cap and Nat did get him his exofalconwingpackthingy but that's because Sam told Cap he would help him even though he still didn't know him well

"If Captain America needs my help, I'm cool with being killed by super psychopaths"
:lol ok that's exactly what he said but that's the idea

Or "I do what he does, only slower"
shit, that's the ultimate beta following wingman talk :lol

Not to mention how hard he was trying to be Cap's friend right after that jogging session, that was creepy as fuck :lol

[Blake]

How did Sam make the new super suit? Did I miss that part?

And how does he gas up the wings?

[ChumpDumper]

How did Sam make the new super suit? Did I miss that part?

And how does he gas up the wings?Deus ex Wakanda.

[Trainwreck2100]

Yeah it'S pretty good reputation, no question
But still, at that point Sam didn't know him well and that's a fact

Yes Cap and Nat did get him his exofalconwingpackthingy but that's because Sam told Cap he would help him even though he still didn't know him well

"If Captain America needs my help, I'm cool with being killed by super psychopaths"
:lol ok that's exactly what he said but that's the idea

Or "I do what he does, only slower"
shit, that's the ultimate beta following wingman talk :lol

Not to mention how hard he was trying to be Cap's friend right after that jogging session, that was creepy as fuck :lol

Sam was doing his VA PTSD schtick with Cap after the jogging session because he recognized Cap as a veteran adjusting back to civ life. I'd argue that the whole reason they were both up and running was because neither of them could sleep. And when he met cap at the VA he told him he got out because he didn't think it was worth fighting anymore. Him and Steve join up because they both found an enemy that they had to beat. That was the whole point of the scene at his house.

[djohn2oo8]

How do you even do Black Panther 2 now

[ChumpDumper]

How do you even do Black Panther 2 nowI would forgive Disney for trying to recast BP or even retconning/resurrecting/rehabilitating Killmonger. Wakanda's too important to abandon. Until Reed and Xavier are introduced, Shuri is pretty much the MCU genius. White Wolf should have a role in whatever happens as well.

[lefty]

Deus ex Wakanda.
:lol
When Stark is not around, there is Wakanda

[lefty]

Sam was doing his VA PTSD schtick with Cap after the jogging session because he recognized Cap as a veteran adjusting back to civ life. I'd argue that the whole reason they were both up and running was because neither of them could sleep. And when he met cap at the VA he told him he got out because he didn't think it was worth fighting anymore. Him and Steve join up because they both found an enemy that they had to beat. That was the whole point of the scene at his house.
Good point tbh imo

[lefty20]

I would forgive Disney for trying to recast BP or even retconning/resurrecting/rehabilitating Killmonger. Wakanda's too important to abandon. Until Reed and Xavier are introduced, Shuri is pretty much the MCU genius. White Wolf should have a role in whatever happens as well.

I would definitely prefer a redemption arc for Killmonger storyline. But it looks like they're gonna move ahead with Shuri taking on the BP mantle.

[djohn2oo8]

I would definitely prefer a redemption arc for Killmonger storyline. But it looks like they're gonna move ahead with Shuri taking on the BP mantle.
What if Killmonger and Shuri both take up the mantle? Michael B didn’t confirm or deny he was returning which means he is and sense his role won’t be small

[lefty]

didn’t Killmonger dieded?

[lefty20]

didn’t Killmonger dieded?

It was implied, but never confirmed.

It'd be pretty easy to retcon his story. The combination of Wakanda medical tech + his herb powers is theoretically enough to explain how he's still alive.

[Trainwreck2100]

I would definitely prefer a redemption arc for Killmonger storyline. But it looks like they're gonna move ahead with Shuri taking on the BP mantle.

wow that's awful, maybe if she didn't get snapped you could sat she had those 5 years to train for battle but the only way to make her a believable threat would be to make her suit be an iron man suit.

[ChumpDumper]

didn’t Killmonger dieded?

Michael B. Jordan didn't.

[lefty20]

Also, did Marvel just low key confirm that an F4 movie will follow GotG V3?

Edit: This would mean F4 before Blade... kinda weird since they've announced the movie it's lead actor for a good while now. This might mean that Marvel already has a handshake agreement with their preferred actors for F4.

[Spurtacular]

I would forgive Disney for trying to recast BP or even retconning/resurrecting/rehabilitating Killmonger. Wakanda's too important to abandon. Until Reed and Xavier are introduced, Shuri is pretty much the MCU genius. White Wolf should have a role in whatever happens as well.

Why does Disney need your forgiveness?

[ChumpDumper]

Why does Disney need your forgiveness?Who said they did, derp?

Be specific.

[cd021]

Also, did Marvel just low key confirm that an F4 movie will follow GotG V3?

Edit: This would mean F4 before Blade... kinda weird since they've announced the movie it's lead actor for a good while now. This might mean that Marvel already has a handshake agreement with their preferred actors for F4.

Blade is apparently coming out in October 2022, Fantastic 4 seems likely for July 2023. They are still early in development for that to change so that's probably why they haven't confirmed the dates.


What if Killmonger and Shuri both take up the mantle? Michael B didn’t confirm or deny he was returning which means he is and sense his role won’t be small

There has been reports that The Brigerton guy is reportedly going to play Kasper Cole (The second Black Panther). Until then, I see the Dora Milaje, Shuri, and M'Baku sharing the hero role.


I would definitely prefer a redemption arc for Killmonger storyline. But it looks like they're gonna move ahead with Shuri taking on the BP mantle.
I would prefer that too but it would be an abrupt about face. They could say that Shuri saved his life and he helped protect Wakanda during the snap. Why wasn't he at the Thanos battle then? I still think Kasper Cole will be the Next BP with Shuri taking the mantle down the road.

[cd021]

Just look at falcon, they did nothing to flesh out his hesitancy for taking the mantle, it was an acknowledged issue for like maybe 30 minutes of the show. All of it ended in a "captain america speech" which was way too long. in terms of character development walker, bucky, zemo, and old black guy had better arcs and story telling in far less time.


Bucky's character development actually was pretty lacking, they did a good good job with Zemo, Sharon, and Bradley in limited time. I thought they did a solid job with Sam, expanding on his "It doesn't feel like its mine" line in Endgame.

They explain that He left N.O because he wanted to prove himself and prove White people wrong. He joined the military where he began doing solo flights with the wings. He gets out and ends up leading a group to help soldiers recovering from PTSD. He later meets Cap and becomes Falcon in TWS. I think he wanted to pave his own way and make his own name rather than having to live up to Rodgers when he knows that he can't.

Meeting Bradley suddenly makes him not only reinforces his decision but makes him doubt whether there should even be a captain America. The second meeting, after he regains the shield, makes him second-guess taking up the mantle after he seemed willing too after the shit-show of Walker.

The boat story-line was about preserving legacy, he fights for the boat even when its easier to let it go. He realizes that its too easy to let all of the negative history surrounding the shield dissuade him and that he rather fight to restore the legacy even though millions won't accept him. The same reason why he left for the military is the same reason why he became Captain America. As far as story-telling goes, I think that's pretty good.

[cd021]

Why would she be finished?

Just looks like they're including Kamala and Monica.

Not defending her acting or her character as currently written....

Yeah, and they may include Blue Marvel too. Kinda makes more sense to call it The Marvels as opposed to Captain Marvel 2. Still kinda surprised that went away from the traditional series names though


shh just let me troll

Monica's character is pretty dry imo, but seems I'm in the minority there.
She is a bit bland, ironically, she was a lot more interesting as Geraldine. They need to do a better job writing Carol and Monica and not making them too over-serious.

[Trainwreck2100]

Bucky's character development actually was pretty lacking, they did a good good job with Zemo, Sharon, and Bradley in limited time. I thought they did a solid job with Sam, expanding on his "It doesn't feel like its mine" line in Endgame.

They explain that He left N.O because he wanted to prove himself and prove White people wrong. He joined the military where he began doing solo flights with the wings. He gets out and ends up leading a group to help soldiers recovering from PTSD. He later meets Cap and becomes Falcon in TWS. I think he wanted to pave his own way and make his own name rather than having to live up to Rodgers when he knows that he can't.

Meeting Bradley suddenly makes him not only reinforces his decision but makes him doubt whether there should even be a captain America. The second meeting, after he regains the shield, makes him second-guess taking up the mantle after he seemed willing too after the shit-show of Walker.

The boat story-line was about preserving legacy, he fights for the boat even when its easier to let it go. He realizes that its too easy to let all of the negative history surrounding the shield dissuade him and that he rather fight to restore the legacy even though millions won't accept him. The same reason why he left for the military is the same reason why he became Captain America. As far as story-telling goes, I think that's pretty good.

He didn't do solo flights Riley getting shot down is why he dropped out of the military. If they wanted to make a story line about preserving legacy that was the whole point of the shield and who carries it, even though it's a different shield, didn't need a boat for that. The boat was filler and not needed. I don't even think the shield has negative history I don't know what you mean when you say that, even in the comics Bradley recognized it for it's power as a symbol he gets arrested for putting it on. His entire family arc was a waste

[cd021]

He didn't do solo flights Riley getting shot down is why he dropped out of the military. If they wanted to make a story line about preserving legacy that was the whole point of the shield and who carries it, even though it's a different shield, didn't need a boat for that. The boat was filler and not needed. I don't even think the shield has negative history I don't know what you mean when you say that, even in the comics Bradley recognized it for it's power as a symbol he gets arrested for putting it on. His entire family arc was a waste

I forgot about Riley, though I don't think they ever said that's why he left the military. That's a bit obvious. Its not entirely about the actual shield, it's about what it represents. Captain America was created as a super-soldier to fight against the Nazi's and the Red Skull. He used that shield and it became an iconic symbol--as did the mantel of Captain America--, it doesn't matter if that isn't technically the same shield, even though it kinda is considering that Cap probably jacked it from another timeline.

After Rodgers was believed to have died the government tried to recreate the serum, and by extension another Captain America, by experimenting on black soldiers. Some soldiers got captured and Bradley broke out and rescued them but was tossed in prison for 30 years and experimented on for doing the exact same thing that Rodgers did.

After Sam was given the shield and he decided to give it up and put it in a museum, with the government's encouragement, they then immediate decided to take it out and give it to some white guy. It supports Bradley's belief that they'd never let a black man be Captain America and that the government sees black people as disposable and less than because they were willing experiment on them in the first place.

Technically, the only reason why Sam became Captain America was because Bucky and Sam took it from him and it seems like Walker never told the government who had it. Also, they couldn't just take it back because they don't technically own it. We can't go off the comic's, in the show Bradley doesn't even want to look at the shield because he's disgusted my it.

The boat wasn't filler, it fits his storyline pretty well. It shows his stubbornness to hold onto tradition and the importance of legacy to him. He gave up the shield to preserve its legacy. Upon meeting Bradley, his world view changes and he suddenly believes that the shields may not be worth preserving because of what it represents and what it upholds. After his second meeting, he become pessimistic about becoming Captain America after taking the shield from Walker.

Time passes, and he gets more time to reflect on what it would mean to be a black Captain America while working on the boat with Bucky. As they repair the boat, their repairing its legacy. He decides that he can repair the legacy of the mantle and the shield by taking them up.

[Trainwreck2100]

I forgot about Riley, though I don't think they ever said that's why he left the military. That's a bit obvious. Its not entirely about the actual shield, it's about what it represents. Captain America was created as a super-soldier to fight against the Nazi's and the Red Skull. He used that shield and it became an iconic symbol--as did the mantel of Captain America--, it doesn't matter if that isn't technically the same shield, even though it kinda is considering that Cap probably jacked it from another timeline.

After Rodgers was believed to have died the government tried to recreate the serum, and by extension another Captain America, by experimenting on black soldiers. Some soldiers got captured and Bradley broke out and rescued them but was tossed in prison for 30 years and experimented on for doing the exact same thing that Rodgers did.

After Sam was given the shield and he decided to give it up and put it in a museum, with the government's encouragement, they then immediate decided to take it out and give it to some white guy. It supports Bradley's belief that they'd never let a black man be Captain America and that the government sees black people as disposable and less than because they were willing experiment on them in the first place.

Technically, the only reason why Sam became Captain America was because Bucky and Sam took it from him and it seems like Walker never told the government who had it. Also, they couldn't just take it back because they don't technically own it. We can't go off the comic's, in the show Bradley doesn't even want to look at the shield because he's disgusted my it.

The boat wasn't filler, it fits his storyline pretty well. It shows his stubbornness to hold onto tradition and the importance of legacy to him. He gave up the shield to preserve its legacy. Upon meeting Bradley, his world view changes and he suddenly believes that the shields may not be worth preserving because of what it represents and what it upholds. After his second meeting, he become pessimistic about becoming Captain America after taking the shield from Walker.

Time passes, and he gets more time to reflect on what it would mean to be a black Captain America while working on the boat with Bucky. As they repair the boat, their repairing its legacy. He decides that he can repair the legacy of the mantle and the shield by taking them up.

Yes he absolutely says why he left, and no in the comics Bradley does the same thing but gets jailed for putting on cap's uni when he saves the other super soldiers. Thats how he became black captain america

That doesn't make any sense there's no need to repair the legacy of the mantle or the shield.

[cd021]

Yes he absolutely says why he left, and no in the comics Bradley does the same thing but gets jailed for putting on cap's uni when he saves the other super soldiers. Thats how he became black captain america

That doesn't make any sense there's no need to repair the legacy of the mantle or the shield.

Its not relevant what happens in the comics if the shows does something different. In the show he didn't get jailed for putting on the uni, he got jailed for disobeying orders. He literary did the same thing that Rodgers did but was severely punished while Rodgers was rewarded.

The mantle and shield's legacy was damaged in the eyes of Sam, the hand-picked successor to Rodgers, when he found out about Bradley's story. It was damaged internationally with the actions of Walker. Torez even said that what Walker did was "Like a really big deal". With dozens of people filming, it also likely went viral and caused it to spread further faster.

[spurraider21]

Don’t really like WandaVision so far. I thought the corny sitcom format was more of a part-time red herring and not literally the entire show. It makes it so 95% of the show is stupid unfunny sitcom gags and then 30 seconds of actually moving the story forward. Thumbs down so far but I’m still in for at least one more week.
i just got through episode 2. feel the same way so far

[lefty]

Just skip to the last 3 episodes lol

[spurraider21]

Just finished episode 6. Show picked up quite a bit after the end of ep 3

[ChumpDumper]

Just finished episode 6. Show picked up quite a bit after the end of ep 3

It certainly gets around to the actual plot. I'll be interested to read your thoughts after you finish.

[spurraider21]

finished episode 8 of WV. the series really picked up, but wow that last episode was just an exposition-fest

[lefty]

The final episode’s post credit scene leads to Doctor Strange 2

[LaMarcus Bryant]

2orG1nG4PtA


:lol Thoughts? This is my fear regarding where the MCU is at right now, although I have less misogynistic leanings and I never thought Thor took a backseat in Ragnarok lol.

[Blake]

the Widow and Panther 2 movies are intriguing.

Was a bit underwhelmed with the first Captain Marvel movie although the supporting cast was great.

[lefty]

I’m looking forward to BW movie tbh

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I’m looking forward to BW movie tbh

Me too, but I agree with the vid it shoulda been released between IW movies.

I think BW movie will set the stage...if it's a pleasant surprise like Ant Man that'll be really good momentum moving forward.

[Trainwreck2100]

2orG1nG4PtA


:lol Thoughts? This is my fear regarding where the MCU is at right now, although I have less misogynistic leanings and I never thought Thor took a backseat in Ragnarok lol.

I'm not watching some click baity video but Marvel lost 3 out of their top 5 male leads, and Thor didn't take a backseat in Ragnarok, that's stupid, they devoted some extra time to Hela which was good, and Valk which was meh, but no he didn't take a back seat. I'm not looking forward to BW she was easily my least favorite og Avenger and her best role was always side kick.

[spurraider21]

finished episode 8 of WV. the series really picked up, but wow that last episode was just an exposition-fest
finished the season

i thought episodes 1-2 were slow. the old time sitcom thing was a gimmick that wore its welcome. episodes 3-7 were significantly more interesting. 8 was an exposition slog. 9 was... ok. my problem with wanda in this show, and to an extent, the MCU, is that her powers (and agatha's) are so undefined that its hard to really get invested in the action sequences. i thought the dialogue between visions was a good touch, though. i also dont know how anybody including even wanda could give a shit about those kids that she knew for like 2 days and didnt actually raise

and i guess she's gotta be even more of a fugitive now

hoping that falcon and winter soldier is able to give 2 woefully underwritten/underdeveloped characters something to work off of going forward

[ChumpDumper]

finished the season

i thought episodes 1-2 were slow. the old time sitcom thing was a gimmick that wore its welcome. episodes 3-7 were significantly more interesting. 8 was an exposition slog. 9 was... ok. my problem with wanda in this show, and to an extent, the MCU, is that her powers (and agatha's) are so undefined that its hard to really get invested in the action sequences. i thought the dialogue between visions was a good touch, though. i also dont know how anybody including even wanda could give a shit about those kids that she knew for like 2 days and didnt actually raise

and i guess she's gotta be even more of a fugitive nowAgree about the fungible powers. I thought the MCU did a pretty good job defining how "magic" worked for characters like the Doctor Strange group, Thor's group and even the AoS/Agent Carter Darkhold/force stuff. Hell, the Infinity Stones are just magic MacGuffins and they make sense if you don't squint at them too long. I hope making female heroes overpowered is just a fad the studios get out of their systems soon because it's a creative dead end.

That said, overpowered Wanda is interesting because she's objectively a monster now. As much as Agatha was pulling strings, Wanda knew she was enslaving thousands of innocent people instead of seeing a psychiatrist. Even Clint's murder spree therapy was healthier that this. Now she's getting even more powerful by reading the Darkhold. That knowledge led to disaster in AoS, so I'm interested that they brought it to the forefront now and if any of that backstory that includes Robbie Reyes and others will be acknowledged.


hoping that falcon and winter soldier is able to give 2 woefully underwritten/underdeveloped characters something to work off of going forward
I predict you'll be maybe 1/3 satisfied.

[spurraider21]

Agree about the fungible powers. I thought the MCU did a pretty good job defining how "magic" worked for characters like the Doctor Strange group, Thor's group and even the AoS/Agent Carter Darkhold/force stuff. Hell, the Infinity Stones are just magic MacGuffins and they make sense if you don't squint at them too long. I hope making female heroes overpowered is just a fad the studios get out of their systems soon because it's a creative dead end.

That said, overpowered Wanda is interesting because she's objectively a monster now. As much as Agatha was pulling strings, Wanda knew she was enslaving thousands of innocent people instead of seeing a psychiatrist. Even Clint's murder spree therapy was healthier that this. Now she's getting even more powerful by reading the Darkhold. That knowledge led to disaster in AoS, so I'm interested that they brought it to the forefront now and if any of that backstory that includes Robbie Reyes and others will be acknowledged.


I predict you'll be maybe 1/3 satisfied.
i dont know that it matters they are female... but yeah having those OP characters makes their stories less interesting. though techincally Wanda should be a glass cannon, as i dont know she has any superhuman endurance or recovery. captian marvel tho... i dno. seems like nothing short of infinity gems can top her at this point.

to be fair, Vision was pretty OP until they basically had to have him get surprise attacked by that spear guy that rendered him nearly powerless through some magic mumbo jumbo

wanda has too much "dark phoenix" going on as well with her rage/explosions

[ChumpDumper]

I've just noticed it more with female characters in the movies. TV shows have been pretty hamfisted with needlessly juicing their heroes, male and female. I do agree about Vision, but he had to be that powerful to defeat Ultron. They touched on robofeels being his Achilles' heel before slicing him up a treat. He ultimately didn't fully understand himself so he knew exile was an even more attractive option than just avoiding the law. That made so much more sense than Carol's "I had shit to do for twenty years" sidelining. New Viz could be cool because he's obviously nerfed without the mind stone but has all these layers of programming he has to integrate.

[spurraider21]

I've just noticed it more with female characters in the movies. TV shows have been pretty hamfisted with needlessly juicing their heroes, male and female. I do agree about Vision, but he had to be that powerful to defeat Ultron. They touched on robofeels being his Achilles' heel before slicing him up a treat. He ultimately didn't fully understand himself so he knew exile was an even more attractive option than just avoiding the law. That made so much more sense than Carol's "I had shit to do for twenty years" sidelining. New Viz could be cool because he's obviously nerfed without the mind stone but has all these layers of programming he has to integrate.
oh its definitely more common with the female characters... Wanda and Danvers are the most powerful existing Avengers. i think if Thor got back into shape he could push for it. otherwise Dr. Strange has shown to be impressive but he couldn't really hold off Thanos in IW, and it was said in wandavision that the scarlet witch is more powerful than the sorcerer supreme

hulk seems pretty nerfed at this point too

[LaMarcus Bryant]

i dont know that it matters they are female... but yeah having those OP characters makes their stories less interesting. though techincally Wanda should be a glass cannon, as i dont know she has any superhuman endurance or recovery. captian marvel tho... i dno. seems like nothing short of infinity gems can top her at this point.

to be fair, Vision was pretty OP until they basically had to have him get surprise attacked by that spear guy that rendered him nearly powerless through some magic mumbo jumbo

wanda has too much "dark phoenix" going on as well with her rage/explosions

:lol yea they nerfed Vision and Hulk badly in IW, sucks.

SW's powers are kinda weird, that's why they need a Dr. Strange, christopher Nolan type action sequence to do it right.

[spurraider21]

its admittedly tough to have good stories when your characters have world-busting powers. its why spiderman has always been a very compelling hero. or batman. even ironman in the movies (though i didnt care for the nano-stuff because it makes his abilities pretty nebulous)

[Trainwreck2100]

Not MCU but all episodes come out tommorow early reviews are pretty positive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEWdhHBlYU

[Blake]

Lolwut :lol

[lefty]

And that's why it's on Hulu

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Not MCU but all episodes come out tommorow early reviews are pretty positive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEWdhHBlYU

CLICKBAIT lmao
this looks really silly i'll save to binge when it's over


I been binging Harley Quinn cartoon and it's easily the best DC material I've seen in this modern era. Funny, sharp, moves fast, never keeps you bored. Great voice acting. Very Venture Bros-esque.

[Blake]

CLICKBAIT lmao
this looks really silly i'll save to binge when it's over


I been binging Harley Quinn cartoon and it's easily the best DC material I've seen in this modern era. Funny, sharp, moves fast, never keeps you bored. Great voice acting. Very Venture Bros-esque.

I've never been interested in anything about Harley Quinn but I've been wanting to check that out.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I've never been interested in anything about Harley Quinn but I've been wanting to check that out.

That's the thing. Me neither. All of DC I find increasingly laughable. But this actually has good writing and fast, funny dialog. Doesn't take itself too seriously like other DC stuff. Plus rated R so the violence and cussing makes it normal. I'd check it out.

[leemajors]

Not MCU but all episodes come out tommorow early reviews are pretty positive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEWdhHBlYU

Is that the one with Oswalt doing his voice?

[Trainwreck2100]

Is that the one with Oswalt doing his voice?

yes

[Trainwreck2100]

CLICKBAIT lmao
this looks really silly i'll save to binge when it's over


I been binging Harley Quinn cartoon and it's easily the best DC material I've seen in this modern era. Funny, sharp, moves fast, never keeps you bored. Great voice acting. Very Venture Bros-esque.

spoilers
don't read if you don't want to be spoiled



I'm pissed they shipped her and Ivy, because their sister dynamic was cooler than some stupid lover dynamic, it's a trope that so many shows fall into now where good friends develop familial relationships but turn to lover bullshit. Not even Law and Order escaped that they were teasing a benson/stabler romance a few weeks ago and they've been around for over 20 years.

[spurraider21]

I predict you'll be maybe 1/3 satisfied.
honestly i thought they did fine with respect to giving some more depth to each character.

my big issue with the season was the flagsmashers. it was like "oh, more super-soldiers. cool"

and then their plan or their attempted execution of their plan literally never made sense.

[lefty20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WVDKZJkGlY

[lefty]

Visually interesting

[lefty]

:lol Mark Ruffalo doing a 180 on Twitter after his Israeli overlords paid him a visit

[LaMarcus Bryant]

:lol Mark Ruffalo doing a 180 on Twitter after his Israeli overlords paid him a visit

fucking pathetic

lol they're gonna start detaining palestinians in "Aroma therapy chambers" and still use the BuT HiTlEr defense

[lefty]

fucking pathetic

lol they're gonna start detaining palestinians in "Aroma therapy chambers" and still use the BuT HiTlEr defense

Pretty much this lol

[Blake]

Never was a fan of the Eternals but I'll be watching this one

[Texas_Ranger]

cant wait to see who is more dangerous than Thanos, now that these fucks will finally do something. Id like to watch something good from marvel, as everything since Infinity war was meh or shit.

[lefty]

I hope we'll see a younger Thanos

[cd021]

I hope we'll see a younger Thanos
That's been rumored, also apparently Atlantis being submerged leading to an eventual Submariner intro.

[spurraider21]

I hope we'll see a younger Thanos
you think Rhodey will choke him out?

[ChumpDumper]

you think Rhodey will choke him out?Terrence Howard's Rhodey.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

spoilers
don't read if you don't want to be spoiled



I'm pissed they shipped her and Ivy, because their sister dynamic was cooler than some stupid lover dynamic, it's a trope that so many shows fall into now where good friends develop familial relationships but turn to lover bullshit. Not even Law and Order escaped that they were teasing a benson/stabler romance a few weeks ago and they've been around for over 20 years.

I just got to this part...yeah..kinda whack. Show was already 100% pro-fem, in a good way, but it kinda jumped the woke shark on that one.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Early reviews for Loki are exciting.

hope they don't fuck up the landing.

[lefty]

Early reviews for Loki are exciting.

hope they don't fuck up the landing.
Early reviews for Marvel are positive most of the time, so let's wait and see
Obviously I'm looking forward to it because Hiddlestone+Owen Wilson should be awesome

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Early reviews for Marvel are positive most of the time, so let's wait and see
Obviously I'm looking forward to it because Hiddlestone+Owen Wilson should be awesome

I think this is the show everyone been anticipating the most on this summer's disney run. We need a solid finish or the writing for MCU starting to blow ass is gonna be dry on the wall

[lefty]

I think this is the show everyone been anticipating the most on this summer's disney run. We need a solid finish or the writing for MCU starting to blow ass is gonna be dry on the wall
agreed

[Trainwreck2100]

I think this is the show everyone been anticipating the most on this summer's disney run. We need a solid finish or the writing for MCU starting to blow ass is gonna be dry on the wall

It might be a tv thing but these shows aren't fun, no comedy and so far the fights have been pretty ass. Also lore wise we're not getting anything they're not going far enough into the effects of the five year time jump. We're getting snippets but the scope should be alot larger. That 'refugee camp" in FAWS was a joke

[lefty]

It might be a tv thing but these shows aren't fun, no comedy and so far the fights have been pretty ass. Also lore wise we're not getting anything they're not going far enough into the effects of the five year time jump. We're getting snippets but the scope should be alot larger. That 'refugee camp" in FAWS was a joke
The fights/action scenses in FAWS were pretty good
I'm ok with the lack of comedy, I think we had too much of that in some MCU movies; if it's done right like in Thor Ragnarok I'm all for it

Otherwise, Drax's one liners are super unfunny, and I don't know why Marcus and McFleely had to ruin some moments with untimely unfunny shit like "like a band, like the Beatles?" or "Cheese Whiz?" :rolleyes

[LaMarcus Bryant]

It might be a tv thing but these shows aren't fun, no comedy and so far the fights have been pretty ass. Also lore wise we're not getting anything they're not going far enough into the effects of the five year time jump. We're getting snippets but the scope should be alot larger. That 'refugee camp" in FAWS was a joke

Agree. They have a feeling like a side youtube series to accompany the MCU rather than the center-lane mainstream MCU.

[Trainwreck2100]

The fights/action scenses in FAWS were pretty good
I'm ok with the lack of comedy, I think we had too much of that in some MCU movies; if it's done right like in Thor Ragnarok I'm all for it

Otherwise, Drax's one liners are super unfunny, and I don't know why Marcus and McFleely had to ruin some moments with untimely unfunny shit like "like a band, like the Beatles?" or "Cheese Whiz?" :rolleyes

Let me put it this way all those episodes in can you think of any moment funnier than thor's "another" scene from thor 1?

[lefty20]

That was a great start, tbh.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

That was a great start, tbh.

*randy Marsh jizz pic*

[Texas_Ranger]

According to this show, everything that happens in the MCU's universe is "supposed to happen", and that's decided by space lizards.
So, nothing mattered and the characters did nothing of their own free will...

great

[spurraider21]

According to this show, everything that happens in the MCU's universe is "supposed to happen", and that's decided by space lizards.
So, nothing mattered and the characters did nothing of their own free will...

great
free will doesnt exist anyway

[SpursforSix]

free will doesnt exist anyway

word

[lefty]

According to this show, everything that happens in the MCU's universe is "supposed to happen", and that's decided by space lizards.
So, nothing mattered and the characters did nothing of their own free will...

great

:lol tbh

And the TVA doesn’t have a problem with the Avengers, or Thanos for that matter, toying with time and infinity stones

They must have a fucking agenda lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

:lol tbh

And the TVA doesn’t have a problem with the Avengers, or Thanos for that matter, toying with time and infinity stones

They must have a fucking agenda lol

Time travel makes everything confusing and incoherent.
But in this case, the comic logic explains it without over thinking it.

Thanos did what he did as part of the main MCU storyline and so did the avengers. The only split from the main timeline was Loki escaping.

I liked the first episode.
Definitely drawing inspiration from Hitchhiker's Guide don't yall think? Esp the movie rendition

[Blake]

Solid first episode although I really don't like how much they've nerfed Loki since Ragnarok.

[lefty]

Thanos did what he did as part of the main MCU storyline and so did the avengers. The only split from the main timeline was Loki escaping.



Good point but didn't Steve Rogers create another timeline when he decided to live his life ?

[Texas_Ranger]

imagine surviving the holocaust by escaping a camp, but cause you were not meant to do that, the lizard people came and melted you. :downspin:

if you start thinking just a little after endgame, you can see that the mcu is shit. Now if you dont think, it can be fun.

[Blake]

Good point but didn't Steve Rogers create another timeline when he decided to live his life ?

Seems there were several alt timelines, iirc...... But none of them got arrested except for Loki

But I think the ending kinda explained why they were after just him

[Trainwreck2100]

Time travel makes everything confusing and incoherent.
But in this case, the comic logic explains it without over thinking it.

Thanos did what he did as part of the main MCU storyline and so did the avengers. The only split from the main timeline was Loki escaping.



I disagree, war machine's power stone timeline, GOTG probably never get formed because they fucked with star lord and that timeline's thanos goes to the future and dies. 2012's timeline has to diverge because cap interacted with himself and hydra, it wouldn't be much but still something, unless they are saying that did happen after avengers 1 but was never mentioned. I don't know if that was addressed because I binge the shows.

[lefty]

But I think the ending kinda explained why they were after just him
I'll have to rewatch it tbh, I was pretty drunk last night :lol

[Xevious]

I'm getting a lot of Predestination vibes from the first episode (good movie if you haven't seen it) - especially the reveal at the end.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Loki was probably the best Marvel show, so far, to premier on Disney+. Opening doors to lots of great possibilities with this one.

[lefty20]

I'm getting a lot of Predestination vibes from the first episode (good movie if you haven't seen it) - especially the reveal at the end.

Agreed, tbh.

[cd021]

Seems there were several alt timelines, iirc...... But none of them got arrested except for Loki

But I think the ending kinda explained why they were after just him

So Rodgers was meant to go back in time and stay there, creating another timeline? That seems to conflict with the whole point of the TVA

[leemajors]

The Josta cola on Owen's desk made me laugh. I hadn't seen that shit in over 20 years.

[Blake]

So Rodgers was meant to go back in time and stay there, creating another timeline? That seems to conflict with the whole point of the TVA

Yeah I think we're due for more explanations of what the TVA rules really are because these contradictions don't make sense so far.

Seems like there's a specific reason why they arrested Loki.

[lefty]

Opening doors to lots of great possibilities with this one.
Not to mention the Loki Head Writer will also pen Dr Strange 2

[lefty]

Yeah I think we're due for more explanations of what the TVA rules really are because these contradictions don't make sense so far.

Seems like there's a specific reason why they arrested Loki.
My undersatanding is that Rogers or 2014 Thanos got away with it because they didn't disrupt the flow of time according to the Acient One"s explanation in Endgame :

- Steve Rogers put the stones back and used Stark/Pym tech to go to the 40s
- same with 2014 Thanos when he went to 2023

2012 Loki stole a stone

The Infinity Stones are a vital part of the time flow in the MCU

Anyway, that's how I see it but I could be wrong

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/lovethundernews/status/1404721710029541380

[Blake]

My undersatanding is that Rogers or 2014 Thanos got away with it because they didn't disrupt the flow of time according to the Acient One"s explanation in Endgame :

- Steve Rogers put the stones back and used Stark/Pym tech to go to the 40s
- same with 2014 Thanos when he went to 2023

2012 Loki stole a stone

The Infinity Stones are a vital part of the time flow in the MCU

Anyway, that's how I see it but I could be wrong

And then the TVA has a whole collection of infinity stones in a desk drawer?

The main time line is for Thanos was to steal all the stones and for the avengers to time travel in order to beat him?

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/cesarberardini/status/1404465253602271236

[lefty]

And then the TVA has a whole collection of infinity stones in a desk drawer?

The main time line is for Thanos was to steal all the stones and for the avengers to time travel in order to beat him?
I guess we'll find out in future episodes, but the TVA seems to have a different relationship to the stones compared to to other beings; maybe the powerful supreme beings have granted them special permissions and shit

[Blake]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Variance_Authority_(Null-Time_Zone)

[lefty20]

Oh yeah, this keeps getting better.

[MultiTroll]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Variance_Authority_(Null-Time_Zone)Will Black Widow actually have a decent story or is it just a cover for more gurl empowerment woke b.s. featuring Johanson?

Saw trailer, looks like just a bunch of violence and bad acting.

I've locked myself into taking some of the Marvel krew.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Oh yeah, this keeps getting better.

:king :fro

[cd021]

Pretty great episode tbh :tu

[DMC]

I see the TVA (keep thinking Tennessee Valley Authority) as a clever way to JR Ewing everyone into a restart of things like Asgard and to bring back money making heroes who were written out at some point.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

*SPOILERS *








Prediction, the girl is alt Lokis descendant?

[lefty]

*SPOILERS *








Prediction, the girl is alt Lokis descendant?

Lady Loki or Enchantress (not the original version of Enchantress)

[Bleke]

How does everybody sneak their McDonalds into the movie theater?

[lefty]

How does everybody sneak their McDonalds into the movie theater?
Yes

[Blake]

How does everybody sneak their McDonalds into the movie theater?

Derp at 5am CST. Get some fresh air, guy.

[lefty20]

How does everybody sneak their McDonalds into the movie theater?

I had a friend who used to sneak Gyros into movie theaters. The entire freaking auditorium would smell delicious when he'd bust it open and start eating.

[lefty]

lol fat fucks

[lefty20]

Felt like a filler episode. Would've been nice to get a little more background info on Sylvie, thb.


Edit: That reveal about TVA employees was juicy doe.

[Blake]

Felt like a filler episode. Would've been nice to get a little more background info on Sylvie, thb.


Edit: That reveal about TVA employees was juicy doe.

Pretty sure almost all series put the good stuff all in the first two and last two episodes of the season. Every now and then they throw in something in the middle

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Yea felt like the entire episode was a pre intro credits scene

[lefty]

So Loki doesn’t discriminate

[lefty]

Felt like a filler episode. Would've been nice to get a little more background info on Sylvie, thb.


Edit: That reveal about TVA employees was juicy doe.
yep nice reveal tbh

As for Sylvie, it’s the name of the 2nd Enchantress in the comics

[LaMarcus Bryant]

They're also doing the thing where powers and abilities just become kinda whatever....like Winter Soldier went from a stone cold killer to generic strong guy that coulda been in the Daredevil universe.... Loki now got telekenisis to move buildings and shit? His powers were always kinda nebulous but weird for them to semi-define them in this show then have him do something that doesn't quite fit...

[leemajors]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YjFbMbfXaQ

Looks dope.

[lefty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YjFbMbfXaQ

Looks dope.
At the end after the title tho….that comeback

[Trill Clinton]

Last nights episode was boring

[Xevious]

Hate to say it, but these Disney+ series have been pretty bland. Hopefully they get their shit together for the movies.

[Blake]

I wish they would just go ahead and make all these "series" into two hour movies.

[Bleke]

OMG!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp9pNPdNwjI

[LaMarcus Bryant]

We're reaching nitty gritty where Loki needs to step it up a notch or I fear this disney experiment may have officially failed :(

[Blake]

OMG!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp9pNPdNwjI

You'll be watching it, derp

[Spurtacular]

You'll be watching it, derp

You and derp (chumpdumper) going on a date?

[Xevious]

We're reaching nitty gritty where Loki needs to step it up a notch or I fear this disney experiment may have officially failed :(
That's how I feel. Nothing has quite lived up to what it should have been.

[lefty20]

Oh shit! :wow

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Great episode, but makes no sense why they didn't kill young black chick.

*please don't fuck up this ending* x1000.

[cd021]

Great episode, but makes no sense why they didn't kill young black chick.

*please don't fuck up this ending* x1000.

I remember thinking that Sylvie didn't kill her. She fucked up tbh.

Great episode overall. They blew up the premise of the show and there's still two episodes left. Marvel released a mid season trailer but they showed like 2 seconds of new footage, so we literally have no idea what's coming next/

[cd021]

That's how I feel. Nothing has quite lived up to what it should have been.

Wanda vision did, though they really got lazy on that final episode. FATWS had the Flag-Smashers storyline that distracted from the most interesting parts of the story but it was still pretty good.

Had really low expectations of Loki but its definitely exceeded them so far though

[lefty]

Loki cutting Sif’s hair and getting his ass kicked as a consequence actually happened in the Norse mythology
Also Richard E Grant in the classic Loki costume lol

[Michael Jordan.]

1412178237879357444

[cd021]

:wow that was a pretty goddamn great episode tbh :tu

[lefty20]

:wow that was a pretty goddamn great episode tbh :tu

Yup. Absolutely loved classic Loki.

[leemajors]

:wow that was a pretty goddamn great episode tbh :tu

Qeng Tower

[lefty]

The Thanos Chopper cameo

omg that was awesome

And did I spot the Living Tribunal and Frog Thor?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Pretty fucking sweet episode. I still can't help but be scared shitless one or both of Loki or Sylvi are Lokiing each other :lol

Sucked to see old man Loki go.
I really really really *realllllly* hope they stick this landing. I also dig how episode 5 was called "journey into mystery", and boy certainly felt like it.

[Blake]

I think old man Loki might still be alive.

But this episode is a prime example of when marvel is at it's best: having the characters make fun of themselves

[Xevious]

Any chance the person behind all this is Kang?

[lefty]

Any chance the person behind all this is Kang?
I'm thinking King Loki

[leemajors]

Any chance the person behind all this is Kang?

The TVA lady has comic connections with him, and they did show Qeng Tower briefly, so maybe

[cd021]

Any chance the person behind all this is Kang?


I'm thinking King Loki

They're setting it up to be Kang, so probably not :lol

Serious though, having it be another Loki is a bit of a let down.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The nerd spoiler horny community of Marvel seems dead set it's all to set up Kang. They have a pretty remarkable hit rate.

That What If Trailer tho...

:clap:downspin::clap:downspin::wow:wow:wow:wow:wow :hat:hat:hat:eyebrows:spin:elephant:elephant:eleph ant:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant

[lefty]

:lol I watched Black Widow for free in HD
:lol fuck you Disney +

[lefty]

They're setting it up to be Kang, so probably not :lol

Serious though, having it be another Loki is a bit of a let down.

Could be Kang since he’s that chick GF in the comics

Or it could be the dude who created the Timekeepers, the One he who whatever he was called in the comics

Maybe Classic Loki is that person in the series

[Texas_Ranger]

I hope no one is actually paying to watch black widow. I still think everything after infinity war, and even that film is pretty weak, has been average at best. Civil war for me was the last good thing they made.

[spurraider21]

I hope no one is actually paying to watch black widow. I still think everything after infinity war, and even that film is pretty weak, has been average at best. Civil war for me was the last good thing they made.
not counting BW, there have been 4 movies since IW... antman and the wasp, captain marvel, endgame, and far from home. far from home, and endgame were both quite good. antman and captain marvel werent great but they were still fun watches

[Texas_Ranger]

not counting BW, there have been 4 movies since IW... antman and the wasp, captain marvel, endgame, and far from home. far from home, and endgame were both quite good. antman and captain marvel werent great but they were still fun watches

I will say, i did enjoy endgame the most out of those, as it was kind of an end and it was great to see all those characters on screen together. The story on the other hand was dog shit.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I hope no one is actually paying to watch black widow. I still think everything after infinity war, and even that film is pretty weak, has been average at best. Civil war for me was the last good thing they made.

Bruh Ragnarok set the standard for combining cinematography, story, dialogue, and FUN for a comic book movie imo
The fact that the 1st 5 minutes of IW rendered the entire story useless doesn't detract from how well Ragnarok was by itself.

[Trainwreck2100]

not counting BW, there have been 4 movies since IW... antman and the wasp, captain marvel, endgame, and far from home. far from home, and endgame were both quite good. antman and captain marvel werent great but they were still fun watches

Captain Marvell was crap

[spurraider21]

Captain Marvell was crap
:cry

[lefty20]

We gonna talk about that BW post credit scene?

Cuz it pretty much guarantees that we will see Yelena & Val in Hawkeye. Does this mean that US Agent will also be in it?

What are the odds that we see Val trying to recruit Abomination in either a Shang-Chi post credits scene or the She-Hulk series.

And will The Thunderbolts be introduced in a movie or D+ Series?

[Texas_Ranger]

just saw bw. I actually had fun with it, cause its funny how bad some scenes are. I'd say its probably the worst of the mcu films, but i had way more fun with it than cpt marvel, iron man 2, thor 2 or black panther. I'd also just torrent it, cause this is not worth any money.

[Kim Jong-il]

just saw bw. I actually had fun with it, cause its funny how bad some scenes are. I'd say its probably the worst of the mcu films, but i had way more fun with it than cpt marvel, iron man 2, thor 2 or black panther. I'd also just torrent it, cause this is not worth any money.
“I don’t like any of the Marvel movies where the main characters are women or black people, but it’s a coincidence and totally a flaw in the writing and filmmaking, not a reflection of my character!”

[PassableTranny]

OMG!
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/07/scarjo-66.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

[Blake]

“I don’t like any of the Marvel movies where the main characters are women or black people, but it’s a coincidence and totally a flaw in the writing and filmmaking, not a reflection of my character!”

:lol

[Texas_Ranger]

“I don’t like any of the Marvel movies where the main characters are women or black people, but it’s a coincidence and totally a flaw in the writing and filmmaking, not a reflection of my character!”

no, i just dont like bad movies. its not my fault marvel cant write a female or a black guy that aint a stoic and monotone boring character.

actually, my favorite films star a female in the lead and morgan freeman is probably my favorite actor. But yea, in 2021, i am a racist and a sexist, cause i didnt like marvel movie. btw, i think most DC movies are even worse and they pretty much have white guys for leads, but still, gotta go with the, ''he doesnt like a movie with a girl, so he a sexist''.

now go suck a dick, faggot.

[Kim Jong-il]

no, i just dont like bad movies. its not my fault marvel cant write a female or a black guy that aint a stoic and monotone boring character.

actually, my favorite films star a female in the lead and morgan freeman is probably my favorite actor. But yea, in 2021, i am a racist and a sexist, cause i didnt like marvel movie. btw, i think most DC movies are even worse and they pretty much have white guys for leads, but still, gotta go with the, ''he doesnt like a movie with a girl, so he a sexist''.

now go suck a dick, faggot.
Marvel movies are all the exact same vanilla milkshake. They’re all made exactly the same, they’re all pretty good but nothing special and instantly forgettable. The only difference is one has whipped cream while another has chocolate shavings and another has sprinkles. Literally the exact same formula with a different topping.

The fact that you’re okay with plain vanilla milkshakes unless they feature black people or women is something you should look inward about, instead of lashing out at me.

[Kim Jong-il]

Also, :lmao at “I can’t be racist, my favorite actor is the black guy who drove Miss Daisy!”

[lefty]

The Contesse Valentina cameo in the post credit scene is definitely something I didn’t expect to see after seeing her in The Falcon and The Winter Soldier

[lefty]

Bruh Ragnarok set the standard for combining cinematography, story, dialogue, and FUN for a comic book movie imo
The fact that the 1st 5 minutes of IW rendered the entire story useless doesn't detract from how well Ragnarok was by itself.

Agreed

[Spurtacular]

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/078/936/690/original/631c28d78fa1e302.jpg

[lefty]

I hope no one is actually paying to watch black widow. I still think everything after infinity war, and even that film is pretty weak, has been average at best. Civil war for me was the last good thing they made.
I watched it and n HD on release day on a free streaming website :lol

And I loved it tbh

[koriwhat]

OMG Comic book heroes! Kid shit!

[Blake]

OMG Comic book heroes! Kid shit!

Drawing pictures on skin! Adult shit!

[koriwhat]

Blake was watching cartoons at the end of the bed while his ex was getting dicked down by Sancho. Am I right bitchassBlake?

[Blake]

Blake was watching cartoons at the end of the bed while his ex was getting dicked down by Sancho. Am I right bitchassBlake?

Lol why are you even in this thread? Isn't your 15 minute smoke break up? I'm sure you have fat motorcycle guys inside waiting for you to draw dragons on their arms.

[cd021]

just saw bw. I actually had fun with it, cause its funny how bad some scenes are. I'd say its probably the worst of the mcu films, but i had way more fun with it than cpt marvel, iron man 2, thor 2 or black panther. I'd also just torrent it, cause this is not worth any money.

Weird that you have Iron Man 2 and BP and not Age of Ultron, that movie is just straight trash. I actually sort of like Iron Man 2 and BP is pretty great tbh.

[cd021]

Saw Black Widow pretty good tbh. Not incredible but better than expected and doesn't take the same expected beats. Red Guardian and Yelena stole the show tbh.

[Texas_Ranger]

Weird that you have Iron Man 2 and BP and not Age of Ultron, that movie is just straight trash. I actually sort of like Iron Man 2 and BP is pretty great tbh.

I havent seen that since it came out, but yea its not top tier for sure. Ant man2, thor 2 and even iron man 3 are also pretty weak. Iron man, guardians, civil war and avengers are for me the best of the mcu films. I know most people love winter soldier, but thats another film i watched just when it came out and dont really remember how much i liked it.

[Blake]

I thought Iron Man 3 was great, tbh.

[Xevious]

Black Widow was pretty pointless IMO. It's something that should've been released years ago if they wanted to give Natasha a solo project. It's hard to get invested in a character that's already dead and a story that takes place before IW/Endgame.

[Spurtacular]

I thought Iron Man 3 was great, tbh.

Tell us about it.

[Blake]

:cry pleeeease talk to me. I'm so lonely here now that everyone has me on ignore :cry

[Spurtacular]

Poor blake. Such a wounded animal. :lol

[Blake]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288602&page=16&p=10550874#post10550874

:lol derp

Now gtfo and shit up one of your hundreds of comfort threads instead of this one

[Spurtacular]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288602&page=16&p=10550874#post10550874

:lol derp

Now gtfo and shit up one of your hundreds of comfort threads instead of this one

I just got done posting plenty as I spoke to your beta support group.

Gawd, you're a shitty poster. :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

I haven't seen BW, but Thor 2 an captain marvel are my only shit tier marvel movies. Thor 2 because of Portman's phoned in role and shit story, Capt Marvel because the obvious

[cd021]

I havent seen that since it came out, but yea its not top tier for sure. Ant man2, thor 2 and even iron man 3 are also pretty weak. Iron man, guardians, civil war and avengers are for me the best of the mcu films. I know most people love winter soldier, but thats another film i watched just when it came out and dont really remember how much i liked it.

TWS is the greatest MCU movie tbh. Not a fan of Ant-Man 2 or Thor 2.


I thought Iron Man 3 was great, tbh.

Iron Man 3 is a weird ass movie. The first hour is pretty damn good, then it shits the bed after that in a pretty spectacular way. The Mandarin fakeout didn't work and they had the blandest villain that everyone has to google to remember his name.

Iron Man two is the opposite; the first hour was pretty bad but the last 40 minutes give it a passing grade.

[cd021]

Black Widow was pretty pointless IMO. It's something that should've been released years ago if they wanted to give Natasha a solo project. It's hard to get invested in a character that's already dead and a story that takes place before IW/Endgame.

Movie itself was fine but kinda agree. I guess they were going for a dramatic irony feel with the audience knowing how it turns out for her but that didn't necessarily work. Too bad.

[Trainwreck2100]

Black Widow was pretty pointless IMO. It's something that should've been released years ago if they wanted to give Natasha a solo project. It's hard to get invested in a character that's already dead and a story that takes place before IW/Endgame.

seriosly? i just assumed it was between IW/Endgame, fucking cop out

[Trill Clinton]

Black Widow was mediocre

[lefty20]

The point of a BW movie was to appease the feminists and introduce Yelena to the MCU. I'd say that the movie achieved it's goal, tbh.

[Xevious]

seriosly? i just assumed it was between IW/Endgame, fucking cop out
It took place between Civil War and Infinity War while Natasha was in hiding. Had it taken place in the five-year gap after the snap, that at least would've made for a more interesting setting with more story possibilities.


The point of a BW movie was to appease the feminists and introduce Yelena to the MCU. I'd say that the movie achieved it's goal, tbh.
Yelena could've been introduced during one of the D+ series IMO. A movie wasn't necessary.

[cd021]

The point of a BW movie was to appease the feminists and introduce Yelena to the MCU. I'd say that the movie achieved it's goal, tbh.
Actually, it was a lot less overtly feminist than Captain Marvel and WW, WW84 and Birds of Prey.

[cd021]

It took place between Civil War and Infinity War while Natasha was in hiding. Had it taken place in the five-year gap after the snap, that at least would've made for a more interesting setting with more story possibilities.

Agreed, it would've made for a more interesting story, though it would've been hard to believe that he entire family would be intact following the blip not to mention the red room being intact.


Yelena could've been introduced during one of the D+ series IMO. A movie wasn't necessary.

True but I think they plan to do a BW trilogy with Yelena taking over the mantle.

[lefty20]

It took place between Civil War and Infinity War while Natasha was in hiding. Had it taken place in the five-year gap after the snap, that at least would've made for a more interesting setting with more story possibilities.


Yelena could've been introduced during one of the D+ series IMO. A movie wasn't necessary.

She's gonna be in Hawkeye. This was a pretty good way to get the audience familiarized with her. It's gonna be much easier to relate to her plight in Hawkeye when we see her being manipulated by Val.


Actually, it was a lot less overtly feminist than Captain Marvel and WW, WW84 and Birds of Prey.

You're right, they didn't ruing the movie by repeatedly shoe horning the "girl power" moments at every turn.

That being said, there had been grumbling about BW not having her own movie for years. This is a good way to appease that crowd and win some political brownie pts.

All things considered, it's basically a filler movie in the MCU.

[cd021]

She's gonna be in Hawkeye. This was a pretty good way to get the audience familiarized with her. It's gonna be much easier to relate to her plight in Hawkeye when we see her being manipulated by Val.

Good point. Audience knows her personality and that she isn't all bad and the audience also knows that Val is pulling the strings for a larger plan by blaming Hawkeye for Nat's death. Its not like he can just ask Yelena to take his word for what happened to Nat either because he spent most of the time after the snap slaughtering people.


You're right, they didn't ruing the movie by repeatedly shoe horning the "girl power" moments at every turn.

That being said, there had been grumbling about BW not having her own movie for years. This is a good way to appease that crowd and win some political brownie pts.

All things considered, it's basically a filler movie in the MCU.

It is, but it's fairly well done. It will probably be better during MCU re-watches where in can be viewed in the correct chronology, after CW but before IW.

It probably would've been better served as a Disney plus series but it wasn't around at the time. Though I kinda like the idea of a BW trilogy that starts with Nat and Yelena and continues on with Yelena taking the mantle.

[Blake]

I thought it was a decent stand alone movie like SW Rogue 1.

The only problem I have is the same problem I've always had with Black Widow is that she has no super powers but never gets shot and never gets a broken bone, even after falling from high up places.

I also thought the sister was more entertaining than BW. Red Guardian was great too, definitely needed more of him.

7/10 all in all

[Spurtacular]

I thought it was a decent stand alone movie like SW Rogue 1.

The only problem I have is the same problem I've always had with Black Widow is that she has no super powers but never gets shot and never gets a broken bone, even after falling from high up places.

I also thought the sister was more entertaining than BW. Red Guardian was great too, definitely needed more of him.

7/10 all in all

I thought they were empowering women though?

[cd021]

I thought it was a decent stand alone movie like SW Rogue 1.

The only problem I have is the same problem I've always had with Black Widow is that she has no super powers but never gets shot and never gets a broken bone, even after falling from high up places.

I also thought the sister was more entertaining than BW. Red Guardian was great too, definitely needed more of him.

7/10 all in all

Yeah, her diving off a floating ship 20,000 feet up with thousands of pounds of air debris and coming out unscathed was silly but sort of cool too. That said, I was amused that Yelena did mention that they have to take Ibuprofen after fights and she was clearly sore while she was mocking Natasha for how she poses during fights.

[lefty20]

Wow! That was a hell of a finale. Just awesome. The implications here... damn. I can't wait for season 2.

[lefty]

So they merged He Who Remains and Kang?

Or is He Who Remains a variant of Kang?

Either way, he was goofy and annoying AF tbh…….


By the way, according to The Hollywood Reporter, Loki will be on Multiverse Of Madness.

[spurraider21]

The point of a BW movie was to appease the feminists and introduce Yelena to the MCU. I'd say that the movie achieved it's goal, tbh.


Actually, it was a lot less overtly feminist than Captain Marvel and WW, WW84 and Birds of Prey.
thats because to some people feminism is any time a woman is portrayed in media

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

thats because to some people feminism is any time a woman is portrayed in media
Unless the woman is being directed by Quentin Tarantino or George Miller, then it’s just a great movie and not feminist propaganda, since they feel the security blanket of a man behind the wheel.

[lefty]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6RXBYUVUAIsm-h?format=jpg&name=900x900

[lefty]

Reynolds pretty much announcing his arrival in the MCU :

https://twitter.com/vancityreynolds/status/1414987701502218244

[Trill Clinton]

What a finalehttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ahh4.png

[lefty]

What a finalehttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ahh4.png

meh it was ok

[lefty20]

thats because to some people feminism is any time a woman is portrayed in media

Or when a Studio makes a movie, which does nothing to drive the overall MCU plot, for a dead character just to shake off/shut up the rabid feminist critics.

Lets face it. Fiege was prolly sick of being asked some variant of "Why won't you give BW her own movie?" at every interview for years now.

That being said, I actually did enjoy it and can't wait to see Yelena in Hawkeye.

[lefty20]

So they merged He Who Remains and Kang?

Or is He Who Remains a variant of Kang?

Either way, he was goofy and annoying AF tbh…….


By the way, according to The Hollywood Reporter, Loki will be on Multiverse Of Madness.

He Who Remains = The Kang who won. Which means the means the Multiversal war was/is a buch of Kangs trying to conquer each other.

I thought he did very well. I'm guessing the Kang we'll see in Quantumania will much, much different than this goofy version.

And fuck yes, more Loki!

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Great series.
This was everything I had hoped every Marvel Disney show would be.

Glad Loki and Sylvie didn't kill each other. Once he said was "other me's" I knew the shit was on.

[lefty]

He Who Remains = The Kang who won. Which means the means the Multiversal war was/is a buch of Kangs trying to conquer each other.

I thought he did very well. I'm guessing the Kang we'll see in Quantumania will much, much different than this goofy version.

And fuck yes, more Loki!

Yeah we should have a more serious Kang going forward

Loved the ending, very reminiscent of Planet of the Apes

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Yeah we should have a more serious Kang going forward

Loved the ending, very reminiscent of Planet of the Apes

Was getting twilight zone eerie parallel universe vibes too

[lefty]

:lol

https://twitter.com/basu_tim/status/1415543420911640579

[LaMarcus Bryant]

What are yalls Buddy Kang thoughts? I liked him haha, should contrast nicely with the upcoming Evil Kang

[Blake]

Yeah what a lame last man standing they had there

[Neo.]

i thought it was great

[Neo.]

:lol

https://twitter.com/basu_tim/status/1415543420911640579

isnt kangs big thing his unparalleled intelligence and manipulation of time, as opposed to sheer power compared to a guy like thanos?

hes basically a nerd in essence, and he knew he won no matter what simply because he outsmarted them and was 20 steps ahead. plus probably a bit senile from however long he has lived lol so i thought it seemed to fit personally

[spurraider21]

whole loki show was really interesting imo and then the last episode was complete dogshit. just an expositional slogfest without any real satisfaction

[Trill Clinton]

Someone correct me. So Kang is a villain who can manipulate time. Once "he who remains" died, all of the alternate Kang's come into existence and one of them probably went back and changed the origin of the TVA which is why Mobius didn't recognize Loki at the end and the new Kang statue?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Someone correct me. So Kang is a villain who can manipulate time. Once "he who remains" died, all of the alternate Kang's come into existence and one of them probably went back and changed the origin of the TVA which is why Mobius didn't recognize Loki at the end and the new Kang statue?

Yeah basically. Also, I took it as since HWR was killed, all the timelines are happening and splitting constantly and simultaneously, so it was impossible for her to blindly send Loki back to the original TVA timeline.
My only nerd question on this is....if the TVA exists outside of time (infinity stones don't work), how are there multiple TVAs? Unless you're right...there is one TVA it's now controlled by an Evil Kang...possibly with the help of Renslayer who disappeared

[Trill Clinton]

Yeah basically. Also, I took it as since HWR was killed, all the timelines are happening and splitting constantly and simultaneously, so it was impossible for her to blindly send Loki back to the original TVA timeline.
My only nerd question on this is....if the TVA exists outside of time (infinity stones don't work), how are there multiple TVAs? Unless you're right...there is one TVA it's now controlled by an Evil Kang...possibly with the help of Renslayer who disappeared

Bingo. Makes the most sense seeing she is his partner/gf in the comics.

[koriwhat]

I hear there's a new league in MCU called Arrested Development... :lmao

[lefty]

isnt kangs big thing his unparalleled intelligence and manipulation of time, as opposed to sheer power compared to a guy like thanos?

hes basically a nerd in essence, and he knew he won no matter what simply because he outsmarted them and was 20 steps ahead. plus probably a bit senile from however long he has lived lol so i thought it seemed to fit personally
True

Not to mention the next version of Kang wil be probably closer to his comics counterpart

[leemajors]

True

Not to mention the next version of Kang wil be probably closer to his comics counterpart

They have plenty to choose from, tbh

[lefty]

They have plenty to choose from, tbh
Yep

Looking forward to the next phase : Kang in Antman 3, then we'll have a Spiderverse in Spiderman 3, and Doctor Strange 2 is titled the Multiverse of Madness

Det clusterfuck, fucking Sylvie :lol

Imagine the possibilities : multiple Thanos :wow

The whole thing is going to lead to Secret Wars, there is no doubt

[Xevious]

I was a little let down after watching the episode last night (exposition dump), but after thinking about it, it was really good. We already knew that there would be a Spiderverse, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania, etc. The thought that it is all caused by this one episode is a little mind boggling. Kang's line "wait until you meet my variants" was ominous as hell.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I was a little let down after watching the episode last night (exposition dump), but after thinking about it, it was really good. We already knew that there would be a Spiderverse, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania, etc. The thought that it is all caused by this one episode is a little mind boggling. Kang's line "wait until you meet my variants" was ominous as hell.

Yeah I can see how someone trashes the Loki SF, but honestly, wasn't the Disney+ summer Marvel shows always sold to us as being a bridge into the next phase? I feel like Loki did all the heavy lifting and WandaVision and FATWS came up really short. Wanda had that post credits scene...FATWS really seems like such small stakes compared to everything else.
The show did it's job. Would have liked more Loki/Sylvie, but luckily neither died, and season 2 beckons. We'll get more of em.

[Trainwreck2100]

Really disappointed the council of kangs didn't step up to stop the multiverse war, that's why they exist for fuck sake

[Trainwreck2100]

Also I'm on the "Loki's at the wrong tva train" with so many timelines, now everyone's own timeline would be considered the sacred timeline. And just because he who remains was killed, doesn't mean that he doesn't win the war in 1000 years. Something that I don't really remember him touching on. Also they never explained how old man cap was able to live in a separate timeline without getting TVA so are we just supposed to assume that his journey back was post sylvie murdering kang?

[RandomGuy]

So they merged He Who Remains and Kang?

Or is He Who Remains a variant of Kang?

Either way, he was goofy and annoying AF tbh…….


By the way, according to The Hollywood Reporter, Loki will be on Multiverse Of Madness.

He Who Remains was supposed to be slightly insane. I thought it was written and acted well.

I think it was meant to be annoying, and the goofy part was about the same tone as the rest of the series.

[spurraider21]

was it ever explained why infinity stones dont work in the TVA? especially if those whole thing was just started by one human on earth in the 31st century or w/e. how could a human have the power/technology to nullify an infinity stone?

[Blake]

was it ever explained why infinity stones dont work in the TVA? especially if those whole thing was just started by one human on earth in the 31st century or w/e. how could a human have the power/technology to nullify an infinity stone?

The only thing I could think of was that this place existed outside the universe where the laws of science don't apply the same way.

But then you get hit with the stick to go to the end of time and your powers work again.

I guess..

[Xevious]

was it ever explained why infinity stones dont work in the TVA? especially if those whole thing was just started by one human on earth in the 31st century or w/e. how could a human have the power/technology to nullify an infinity stone?
The TVA exists outside the normal flow of time. I'm not sure they gave any other explanation than that. But I don't think you can dismiss Kang as just a human. This version of him is probably millions of years old.

[spurraider21]

The TVA exists outside the normal flow of time. I'm not sure they gave any other explanation than that. But I don't think you can dismiss Kang as just a human. This version of him is probably millions of years old.
He said he was just some dude from 31sr century or whatever. And he still used tempads to get around lol. That tech probably came about during his research into other universes. They never established that he was supernatural or whatever. That’s my problem with how the finale was written. No real closure or explanation to anything

[Blake]

It was a long, drawn out episode that said a lot without really saying much

[Xevious]

He said he was just some dude from 31sr century or whatever. And he still used tempads to get around lol. That tech probably came about during his research into other universes. They never established that he was supernatural or whatever. That’s my problem with how the finale was written. No real closure or explanation to anything
He isn't supernatural, but neither are the people in the TVA and I'm pretty sure Renslayer said she and Mobius had been working together for a couple millennia. It's all technology-based I assume.

[spurraider21]

He isn't supernatural, but neither are the people in the TVA and I'm pretty sure Renslayer said she and Mobius had been working together for a couple millennia. It's all technology-based I assume.
Tech to create a place that renders infinity stones useless. These were supposed to be ultimate sources of power in existence

[Neo.]

Tech to create a place that renders infinity stones useless. These were supposed to be ultimate sources of power in existence

well that was also under the impression that there was only one universe. multiple universes existing kinda changes everything and opens doors to a lot of new things

tbh I don't think we should expect full closure or explanation just yet since they probably have like 10 more years of this stuff planned

[monosylab1k]

Tech to create a place that renders infinity stones useless. These were supposed to be ultimate sources of power in existence

Likely just a typical Marvel “hey this would be kinda funny!” gag that they didn’t think through all the way, then it gets overanalyzed until they have to invent some ridiculous logic to explain it down the road.

[spurraider21]

well that was also under the impression that there was only one universe. multiple universes existing kinda changes everything and opens doors to a lot of new things

tbh I don't think we should expect full closure or explanation just yet since they probably have like 10 more years of this stuff plannedwe already saw the avengers use infinity stones from other timelines within their own

[Xevious]

tbh I don't think we should expect full closure or explanation just yet since they probably have like 10 more years of this stuff planned
Yeah there's a lot of conjecture here based on one appearance and a few details from the comics. If Kang is to be the next Thanos-level villain for Marvel over the next few years, then we'll get a lot more information later.

[cd021]

Jonathan Majors Nabbed 'Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania' Role Thanks to 'Loki' (thewrap.com) (https://www.thewrap.com/jonathan-majors-nabbed-major-ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania-role-because-of-loki/)

Interesting, so Majors wasn't originally going to play Kang but just "He Who Remains". They were so impressed by his performance that they went back and made his character also a version of Kang. That's why he got announced as Kang the Conqueror like 2 years ahead Ant-Man 3.

[lefty]

The final few minutes put the spotlight on Jonathan Majors' MCU debut, with the actor explaining what he brought to the table as He Who Remains. Revealing that "the Wizard of Oz, Sunset Boulevard, Citizen Kane, [and] Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" were among the pop culture references he turned to for inspiration, Majors adds that he was looking to tap into "The archetype of the wizard and what happens to him when he gets bored and becomes a trickster."
"I think when we meet He Who Remains he's on the borderline of those two things. You don't really know where he's at and I think the ambiguity of that is one of the wicked things about it."
"He Who Remains has lived forever," Majors continued. "One of the great things I got to experience with our costume designer is that every piece we decided on was from a different place. The cape I had on was from the Victorian era. The shoes were from Genghis Khan. The pants from Mongolia, etc. You just mix and match it together and it informs the character."
While we know that the actor will play one of the Kang Variants in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania (https://www.comicbookmovie.com/ant-man/ant-man_3_quantumania/), he went on to tease how any other versions we meet could differ from He Who Remains.
"I think with He Who Remains, the objective for me was to give me the largest canvas possible. From that, as Kang begins to rear his head and do his deeds, in many ways, he has no choice but to be in opposition or be different from He Who Remains," the Loki star explained. "That was the thing that grabbed me and pulled me into the role. Kang lives in so many iterations as He Who Remains says: 'Reincarnation, baby.'"
In other words, it sounds like we should expect Kang to be a vastly different character to He Who Remains; he'd clearly lost his mind during the countless lifetimes he spent ruling the TVA, and given how frightened he was of his Variants...well, something tells us those Kangs won't be quite as affable.
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[cd021]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub3jCFh5W2Y

Apparently Wanda-Vision and Loki sync's up perfectly.

[lefty]

Both endings leading perfectly to the next MCU movies
Can't wait

[LaMarcus Bryant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub3jCFh5W2Y

Apparently Wanda-Vision and Loki sync's up perfectly.

thats pretty fuckin legit

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub3jCFh5W2Y

Apparently Wanda-Vision and Loki sync's up perfectly.
cant you do this with literally any show? get a clip as long as the loki clip and say they perfectly synch?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

cant you do this with literally any show? get a clip as long as the loki clip and say they perfectly synch?

The lightning during her hand movement was a little too close to ignore, but we are def reaching the point where the internet nerdboys are gonna play movies backwards to get clues about where the next phase is going :lol

[spurraider21]

The lightning during her hand movement was a little too close to ignore, but we are def reaching the point where the internet nerdboys are gonna play movies backwards to get clues about where the next phase is going :lol

but how would you know those events were concurrent, or that her hand movements were in any way actually happening at the same time as that conversation? if anything they were having at very different times. its a pretty wide reach tbh

[LaMarcus Bryant]

but how would you know those events were concurrent, or that her hand movements were in any way actually happening at the same time as that conversation? if anything they were having at very different times. its a pretty wide reach tbh

Agatha saying do you realize what you've done, the ominous nature of that moment fit pretty well with the loki scene tone at that moment imo. Just imo

[Trainwreck2100]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub3jCFh5W2Y

Apparently Wanda-Vision and Loki sync's up perfectly.

That's fucking idiotic, kang exists out of time so scarlett witch becoming scarlett witch both already happened and didn't happen yet when he said that.

[Bleke]

I celebrate Marvel's entire catalog.

[cd021]

cant you do this with literally any show? get a clip as long as the loki clip and say they perfectly synch?
Sure, though this seems too synced to be a coincidence. His mannerisms when Wanda was becoming the Scarlet Witch feels like something. Especially considering she plays a big part in the Multiverse of Madness.

[cd021]

but how would you know those events were concurrent, or that her hand movements were in any way actually happening at the same time as that conversation? if anything they were having at very different times. its a pretty wide reach tbh

For all we know, it is concurrent. Loki does state he has no idea how much time has past since New York. The entire show could take place the course of years while Wanda-Vision takes place three weeks after End-Game. Maybe when they meet Kang, Kang senses that something is up.


That's fucking idiotic, kang exists out of time so scarlett witch becoming scarlett witch both already happened and didn't happen yet when he said that.

Does Kang exist out of time? His death occurred near the end time but he said that his variants were coming even though he defeated them thousands of years before. Loki gets transported back to the TVA afterwards and the time got changed there too.