School shooting: Parkland, Florida

[Isitjustme?]

Really hope GOP becomes anti-teacher now

[Spurminator]

Really hope GOP becomes anti-teacher now

Already happened. Remember "Why should teachers get paid more when they only work 9 months a year?"

[Blake]

The plot thickens

Link?

[monosylab1k]

Already happened. Remember "Why should teachers get paid more when they only work 9 months a year?"

Also “those cheapy peepy teachers are expecting us to buy their work supplies? Buy them yourself!”

[pgardn]

I would not say VAST majority - you'd be surprised at how much support staff there is to run a school (and excessive administrators Down Town). I think you underestimate the many ways in which teachers can earn more money - sponsoring clubs, tutoring, after school classes/activities, even AP passing grades eg. they have lifted the cap on money awarded to FL teachers for students who pass an AP exam - the joke around my ds' school is that the AP Spanish Lang and AP Spanish Lit teacher will be driving a Cadillac soon - with the hundreds of kids who ace those tests (98% iirc - highly Hispanic area). And remember they only work 9 1/2 months - some may teach during the summer and earn more.

91/2 months, are you kidding? I literally just talked to the English teacher living down the street and she and her husband (Fireman 3 days off and on) are grading papers this weekend! 180 papers to grade. Say it's only 10 minutes per paper, you do the math!

Money for AP? Never directly to the teacher. And they cut off the $for high AP scores that would go for supplies. Tutoring, that's a joke. You can't tutor your own students for money. Tutoring is available for 15 $ an hr, but you tutor a classroom full after school! Sponsoring clubs? Hah, totally voluntary. I'm glad I live next to a teacher AND volunteer in the summer so this BS above does not get portrayed improperly. Florida and Texas are different I guess. And district to district is different. This is from a really good district if you live in the N side of SA.

The 91/2 months is the most ridiculous of all, especially for some subjects. A total joke.

And now, let's arm them. English teachers unite to bear arms. I want a worn down soul to protect the school. Maybe the will rampage and kill the falsified glamor mongering among some conservatives.

[DMX7]

"Wait,There's More" -- Cousin Vinny

https://i2.wp.com/convertkit.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/pictures/48980/1098501/content_survivor_trump.jpg?w=900&ssl=1

Florida massacre survivor just spoke out about her phone call with Trump and it’s sickening


“He said he heard that I was a big fan of his, and

then he said, ‘I’m a big fan of yours too.’

I’m pretty sure he made that up,”

she said in an interview after being discharged from the hospital.

“Talking to the president, I’ve never been so unimpressed by a person in my life.

He didn’t make me feel better in the slightest.”

Ms. Fuentes, who was left with a piece of shrapnel lodged behind her right eye,

said Mr. Trump had called the gunman a “sick puppy” and

said “‘oh boy, oh boy, oh boy,’ like, seven times.”

http://washingtonpress.com/2018/02/23/florida-massacre-survivor-just-spoke-phone-call-trump-sickening/




Brutal... I'm sure she's not alone in feeling that way after speaking with Trump. And the nerve to call up a shooting victim and say "I heard you were a fan of mine" or something to that effect... Sounds exactly like Trump.

[DMX7]

Chris, seek help, brah.

[Chris]

Chris, seek help, brah.

Truth hurts brah. I know, I know tl/dr. It's cool :tu

[DMC]

91/2 months, are you kidding? I literally just talked to the English teacher living down the street and she and her husband (Fireman 3 days off and on) are grading papers this weekend! 180 papers to grade. Say it's only 10 minutes per paper, you do the math!

Money for AP? Never directly to the teacher. And they cut off the $for high AP scores that would go for supplies. Tutoring, that's a joke. You can't tutor your own students for money. Tutoring is available for 15 $ an hr, but you tutor a classroom full after school! Sponsoring clubs? Hah, totally voluntary. I'm glad I live next to a teacher AND volunteer in the summer so this BS above does not get portrayed improperly. Florida and Texas are different I guess. And district to district is different. This is from a really good district if you live in the N side of SA.

The 91/2 months is the most ridiculous of all, especially for some subjects. A total joke.

And now, let's arm them. English teachers unite to bear arms. I want a worn down soul to protect the school. Maybe the will rampage and kill the falsified glamor mongering among some conservatives.

So you're saying an english teacher near you spends 30 hours a weekend grading papers, 15 hours a day?

I call bullshit.

[AaronY]

'Murica

966846343825313792

[monosylab1k]

So you're saying an english teacher near you spends 30 hours a weekend grading papers, 15 hours a day?

I call bullshit.

:lmao

[rmt]

91/2 months, are you kidding? I literally just talked to the English teacher living down the street and she and her husband (Fireman 3 days off and on) are grading papers this weekend! 180 papers to grade. Say it's only 10 minutes per paper, you do the math!

Money for AP? Never directly to the teacher. And they cut off the $for high AP scores that would go for supplies. Tutoring, that's a joke. You can't tutor your own students for money. Tutoring is available for 15 $ an hr, but you tutor a classroom full after school! Sponsoring clubs? Hah, totally voluntary. I'm glad I live next to a teacher AND volunteer in the summer so this BS above does not get portrayed improperly. Florida and Texas are different I guess. And district to district is different. This is from a really good district if you live in the N side of SA.

The 91/2 months is the most ridiculous of all, especially for some subjects. A total joke.

And now, let's arm them. English teachers unite to bear arms. I want a worn down soul to protect the school. Maybe the will rampage and kill the falsified glamor mongering among some conservatives.

I guess it is very different in TX and FL (just like homeschooling in CA is so different from FL) - keep in mind that we are the 4th largest school system so lots of resources/funds. As far as tutoring, people with teaching certificates can tutor through our library system for $34 per hour.

http://www.mdpls.org/tutor/tutors-needed.asp

Really, you are telling me that if you are one of those teachers/coaches in there for that 4-6 minutes, you wouldn't prefer to have a gun than nothing? You guys must be so much more principled (beliefs on gun control) than I am - I guess I'm much more self preservative (is that a word?) than you all.

BTW, if you ever need elementary math resources, I highly recommend Singapore Math - my favorite curriculum. So basic but so conceptual (love their bar system).

[hater]

'Murica

966846343825313792

Pastor also said Jesus will come with an AR15 :lmao

Shithole country tbqh

[monosylab1k]

Parkland shooting survivor's family shops doctored emails with CNN to media outlets
http://www.businessinsider.com/parkland-shooting-survivors-family-shops-doctored-cnn-emails-to-media-2018-2?r=UK&IR=T

CNN was going to let him ask his original question, just not give a 4 page speech. He then refused and his family sent out doctored emails to create a fake controversy. So who is the crisis actor here? Who is the one being coached here?

[CosmicCowboy]

The #1 thing they could do to stop mass shootings is to quit publishing the shooters name, photo, and biography from childhood. These sick fucks want the "glory" that they cant get any other way and we gratefully give it to them.

[Spurminator]

The #1 thing they could do to stop mass shootings is to quit publishing the shooters name, photo, and biography from childhood. These sick fucks want the "glory" that they cant get any other way and we gratefully give it to them.

This is just another hypothetical, in my opinion. There is no data or study to suggest making these killers anonymous would reduce mass killings. You could just as easily support the theory that public shaming towards them and their families serves as a deterrent. We don't know.

Other Western countries have eliminated this issue. Why are we so stubborn in our resistance to mirroring their policies?

[pgardn]

So you're saying an english teacher near you spends 30 hours a weekend grading papers, 15 hours a day?

I call bullshit.

Well you can take your BS away. Another conservative shut in. And it's not this 1 weekend to finish the grading, they need to knock out a big bunch, so it's a family "party" DMC.
Its a term paper required. I asked them what they do on the other papers. Short, they read the general thought pattern without looking for grammar. They let students grade each other's while instructing how to grade it. Papers that are basically the same like rewrite this claim assignment fix the errors.

This is the conservative mindset on display right here. A teacher can't possibly be creative otherwise they would never teach. And, I'm gonna make a claim without any interaction with an actual human being. Hows that for calling BS DMC? I'm gonna claim BS right back at you at make generalizations about your head, or lack thereof.

[pgardn]

I guess it is very different in TX and FL (just like homeschooling in CA is so different from FL) - keep in mind that we are the 4th largest school system so lots of resources/funds. As far as tutoring, people with teaching certificates can tutor through our library system for $34 per hour.

http://www.mdpls.org/tutor/tutors-needed.asp

Really, you are telling me that if you are one of those teachers/coaches in there for that 4-6 minutes, you wouldn't prefer to have a gun than nothing? You guys must be so much more principled (beliefs on gun control) than I am - I guess I'm much more self preservative (is that a word?) than you all.

BTW, if you ever need elementary math resources, I highly recommend Singapore Math - my favorite curriculum. So basic but so conceptual (love their bar system).

Im sure there are some teachers in every campus that would bask in the glory of the job. Not all teaching assignments are created equal. Some have a huge amount of downtime. That's why science teachers get paid a bit more and a masters get paid a bit more. Realize I live in the district, help with extra programs in the summer, and have a good friend just getting a hold of teaching physics and an English teacher down the street as a neighbor. So I'm not in total authority, but I have a bad habit of asking a lot of questions on things I feel strongly about. My public HS education vaulted me up. Made life very easy for me, I'm very lucky.very. So I wish the same for others.

And I have actually heard of that math method. When I first helped some kids in Math camp during the summer this was suggested. I will say actually sitting down and seeing the errors that I never would have guessed a student would make is the most important. Some is flat out fear of symbols I discovered. Or the math books actually using the same symbol in a different way, I would never foreseen this until I witnessed it and asked questions. I appreciate your passion. We have things in common.

ex x(y) = 5(y)+ y^2 The student read this as X times y equals 5 times y plus y squared!

Not X as a function of y. And then function totally confused them so I just said the right hand part of the equals sign is a machine that you can feed different numbers into the y's, and it will spit out results called X. So we say X output depends on what y's you feed it. Try "feeding" the right side different y's starting with zero, 1, 2... (And rule, you have to use the same y in both parts, for the 5 and the squared part) Then try feeding in negative y's. Then try feeding it fractions as y (a doozy because now you get into the difference between multiplying and adding fractions).

But I had the time to fully dissect one student's problems. Imagine 180 in a day 6 different times. No F'N way.

If you care ,rmt, you will read this in its entirety.
* Thanks to Mr. Crutchfield for the suggested edit*

[ElNono]

The #1 thing they could do to stop mass shootings is to quit publishing the shooters name, photo, and biography from childhood. These sick fucks want the "glory" that they cant get any other way and we gratefully give it to them.

That's the #1 thing? :lol

How about ruining innocent people lives posting photoshoped lies about crisis actors, some basement that doesn't exist? then you have some loons acting on it.

[DMC]

Well you can take your BS away. Another conservative shut in. And it's not this 1 weekend to finish the grading, they need to knock out a big bunch, so it's a family "party" DMC.
Its a term paper required. I asked them what they do on the other papers. Short, they read the general thought pattern without looking for grammar. They let students grade each other's while instructing how to grade it. Papers that are basically the same like rewrite this claim assignment fix the errors.

This is the conservative mindset on display right here. A teacher can't possibly be creative otherwise they would never teach. And, I'm gonna make a claim without any interaction with an actual human being. Hows that for calling BS DMC? I'm gonna claim BS right back at you at make generalizations about your head, or lack thereof.

You gave one weekend, 180 papers, 10 minutes each.

"she and her husband (Fireman 3 days off and on) are grading papers this weekend! 180 papers to grade. Say it's only 10 minutes per paper, you do the math!"

If you want to spread that out over several weekends, your point looses any real bite.

[DMC]

That's the #1 thing? :lol

How about ruining innocent people lives posting photoshoped lies about crisis actors, some basement that doesn't exist? then you have some loons acting on it.

I have to agree with CC for the most part. What you are saying is also correct, but has nothing to with deterring mass shootings. These people are looking for notoriety in many cases (but not all). The SA shooter was looking for revenge, but he got his idea probably from the movie "Rampage" as did many of these people. I get the idea of at least saying who the shooter was, but media sites go into long detail about everything this person ever did or said. The victims are probably unknown to anyone here, even by name, but the shooter is famous even if for a shitty reason.

[DMC]

Im sure there are some teachers in every campus that would bask in the glory of the job. Not all teaching assignments are created equal. Some have a huge amount of downtime. That's why science teachers get paid a bit more and a masters get paid a bit more. Realize I live in the district, help with extra programs in the summer, and have a good friend just getting a hold of teaching physics and an English teacher down the street as a neighbor. So I'm not in total authority, but I have a bad habit of asking a lot of questions on things I feel strongly about. My public HS education vaulted me up. Made life very easy for me, I'm very lucky.very. So I wish the same for others.

And I have actually heard of that math method. When I first helped some kids in Math camp during the summer this was suggested. I will say actually sitting down and seeing the errors that I never would have guessed a student would make is the most important. Some is flat out fear of symbols I discovered. Or the math books actually using the same symbol in a different way, I never saw it until I witnessed it and asked questions. I appreciate your passion. We have things in common.

ex x(y) = 5(y)+ y^2 The student read this as X times y equals 5 times y plus y squared!

Not X as a function of y. And then function totally confused them so I just said the right hand part of the equals sign is a machine that you can feed different numbers into the y's, and it will spit out results called X. So we say X output depends on what y's you feed it. Try "feeding" it different y's starting with zero, 1, 2... (And rule, you have to use the same y in both parts, for the 5 and the squared part) Then try feeding in negative y's. Then try feeding it fractions as y (a doozy because now you get into the difference between multiplying and adding fractions).

But I had the time to fully dissect one student's problems. Imagine 180 in a day 6 different times. No F'N way.

If you care ,rmt, you will read this in its entirety.

Yeah I've pretty much settled on the notion that you're not playing with a full deck now.

[monosylab1k]

The #1 thing they could do to stop mass shootings is to quit publishing the shooters name, photo, and biography from childhood. These sick fucks want the "glory" that they cant get any other way and we gratefully give it to them.

:lmao yeah, I’m sure the false flag nutjobs will act responsibly and reasonably if the shooter’s identity is hidden.

[monosylab1k]

This is actually pretty good :lol
967258134371807232

[Th'Pusher]

I have to agree with CC for the most part. What you are saying is also correct, but has nothing to with deterring mass shootings. These people are looking for notoriety in many cases (but not all). The SA shooter was looking for revenge, but he got his idea probably from the movie "Rampage" as did many of these people. I get the idea of at least saying who the shooter was, but media sites go into long detail about everything this person ever did or said. The victims are probably unknown to anyone here, even by name, but the shooter is famous even if for a shitty reason.

Without googling it, what’s the name of the shooter who gunned down the congregation in the south Texas church, or the dude who shot of the Florida nightclub, or the guy who shot up the Jason Aldene concert? I couldn’t tell you any of them without looking them up. They’re not famous. I know Dylan Roof and James Holmes but that’s because they lived and I followed their trials.

[Pavlov]

Without googling it, what’s the name of the shooter who gunned down the congregation in the south Texas church, or the dude who shot of the Florida nightclub, or the guy who shot up the Jason Aldene concert? I couldn’t tell you any of them without looking them up. They’re not famous. I know Dylan Roof and James Holmes but that’s because they lived and I followed their trials.Nope. the media is to blame for everything.

Lazy answers are the best answers.

Case closed.

[Will Hunting]

This is actually pretty good :lol
967258134371807232
:lmao

[AaronY]

The #1 thing they could do to stop mass shootings is to quit publishing the shooters name, photo, and biography from childhood. These sick fucks want the "glory" that they cant get any other way and we gratefully give it to them.
Theres no way with 4,000 media outlets plus people would go to wherever the info was a read it there.

[Pavlov]

Theres no way with 4,000 media outlets plus people would tho to wherever the info was a read it there."To protect the second amendment, we must do away with the first."

-- ST Patriot Militia

[ElNono]

I have to agree with CC for the most part. What you are saying is also correct, but has nothing to with deterring mass shootings. These people are looking for notoriety in many cases (but not all). The SA shooter was looking for revenge, but he got his idea probably from the movie "Rampage" as did many of these people. I get the idea of at least saying who the shooter was, but media sites go into long detail about everything this person ever did or said. The victims are probably unknown to anyone here, even by name, but the shooter is famous even if for a shitty reason.

I won't dismiss it outright, but I'd like to see more hard data on that.

[Pavlov]

So the only logical thing to do is kill Uwe Boll.

[ElNono]

For a while the media was censored to post caskets of returning dead soldiers too, in order to, largely, quell any anti-war sentiments. Debatable how well that really worked.

[Pavlov]

It's bad enough when we know everything we do about a guy like Paddock -- imagine the rumor mongering and batshit conspiracies if the general public was not allowed to know his name.

[pgardn]

You gave one weekend, 180 papers, 10 minutes each.

"she and her husband (Fireman 3 days off and on) are grading papers this weekend! 180 papers to grade. Say it's only 10 minutes per paper, you do the math!"

If you want to spread that out over several weekends, your point looses any real bite.

Did I write that?

What don't you understand about teachers also grading on weekdays as well?

This, again, shows the ignorance of old white guy who has no clue as to how others might work.
Keep going, please...

[DMC]

I won't dismiss it outright, but I'd like to see more hard data on that.

It's difficult to find hard data on any of the suggestions since the shooters are often killed or they off themselves in the process. There's certainly a level of sensationalism tied to mass killings vs any other deaths (like if the same 17 students were killed in a bus accident). The difference then isn't the students, but the shooter. They want to focus on that individual because it sells.

Is it a coincidence that these events are all basically being carried out by the same types of people, loners with troubled pasts who are also heavily into how cool they look with a firearm? Typically white males with lower middle class upbringing. The Columbine effect, using the term "Trenchcoat Mafia" and having video games that require you to basically go on a shooting spree in malls and such... this has become an industry. You just watch the clock for the next idiot to ring the "I want to be famous, might as well kill everyone I oppose" bell.

[DMC]

Did I write that?

What don't you understand about teachers also grading on weekdays as well?

This, again, shows the ignorance of old white guy who has no clue as to how others might work.
Keep going, please...

Why yes you did Sparky. It's quoted from your post.

[pgardn]

Yeah I've pretty much settled on the notion that you're not playing with a full deck now.

Yes.

The student read x(Y) as X times (read as multiplied by) Y ya knuckle head.
You have again made a fool of yourself.
Call Bullshit again Mr. Crutchfield.

[DMC]

It's bad enough when we know everything we do about a guy like Paddock -- imagine the rumor mongering and batshit conspiracies if the general public was not allowed to know his name.

Bifurcation is your strong suit.

There's a lot of space between knowing a name and an and endless stream of biography.

Your flaccid attempt is duly noted though.

[Pavlov]

Bifurcation is your strong suit.

There's a lot of space between knowing a name and an and endless stream of biography.

Your flaccid attempt is duly noted though.OK, tell us how you would want the Paddock case handled in particular.

Go right ahead. Be specific so I don't get a chance to misrepresent your call to action.

[DMC]

Yes.

The student read x(Y) as X times (read as multiplied by) Y ya knuckle head.
You have again made a fool of yourself.
Call Bullshit again Mr. Crutchfield.

^I highly doubt anyone here knows what the hell you're on about.

You never saw it until you witnessed it. That was rich.

Do it again, Mr Berra.

[DMC]

OK, tell us how you would want the Paddock case handled in particular.

Go right ahead.

"The shooter was identified as Stephen Paddock."
"The shooter was identified as Dylan Roof"

Instead of

"This is the 2nd most deaths in a mass shooting event in the US" Followed by a seeding chart of mass shooters

Notice they don't go into a biography about non-sensational killings.

[Pavlov]

The shooter was identified as Stephen Paddock.

Notice they don't go into a biography about non-sensational killings.So how would you stop any other information from being released?

[pgardn]

Why yes you did Sparky. It's quoted from your post.

You got shat on and now you do the old white shuffle per usual. The weekend, as in you have a lot of time and her husband can help. Do you understand context. Even if you don't, is so stupidly rigid of you and your thoughts. Again, you know exactly what I'm writing and you wanna riggle out.

What you CALL is useless.

[ElNono]

It's difficult to find hard data on any of the suggestions since the shooters are often killed or they off themselves in the process. There's certainly a level of sensationalism tied to mass killings vs any other deaths (like if the same 17 students were killed in a bus accident). The difference then isn't the students, but the shooter. They want to focus on that individual because it sells.

Is it a coincidence that these events are all basically being carried out by the same types of people, loners with troubled pasts who are also heavily into how cool they look with a firearm? Typically white males with lower middle class upbringing. The Columbine effect, using the term "Trenchcoat Mafia" and having video games that require you to basically go on a shooting spree in malls and such... this has become an industry. You just watch the clock for the next idiot to ring the "I want to be famous, might as well kill everyone I oppose" bell.

As far as video games go, that's certainly an area that has been fairly extensively researched and the results come back that they're actually not conducive to that. People can largely distinguish between reality and fiction. It would indicate banning/censoring video games would have minimal impact.

That's what I mean about hard data. It doesn't matter if the shooter offed himself or got killed, we can certainly have some research on the impact of releasing his full bio and how that affects potential copycats. I haven't seen extensive research about that, but I'd love to see it.

[DMC]

So how would you stop any other information from being released?

I didn't blame the police.

[DMC]

You got shat on and now you do the old white shuffle per usual. The weekend, as in you have a lot of time and her husband can help. Do you understand context. Even if you don't, is so stupidly rigid of you and your thoughts. Again, you know exactly what I'm writing and you wanna riggle out.

What you CALL is useless.

Are you even American?

[DMC]

As far as video games go, that's certainly an area that has been fairly extensively researched and the results come back that they're actually not conducive to that. People can largely distinguish between reality and fiction. It would indicate banning/censoring video games would have minimal impact.

That's what I mean about hard data. It doesn't matter if the shooter offed himself or got killed, we can certainly have some research on the impact of releasing his full bio and how that affects potential copycats. I haven't seen extensive research about that, but I'd love to see it.
The research routinely states that mass shootings don't occur frequently enough given the population to make an scientifically sound correlations. However we're speculating.

It's not about releasing his bio. The term "release" is a neutral offering. The media loops it, they don't "release" it. I suppose the Russians released false information instead of spamming the shit out of it. If that could sway an election, why can't it sway an already unstable mind?

[pgardn]

^I highly doubt anyone here knows what the hell you're on about.

You never saw it until you witnessed it. That was rich.

Do it again, Mr Berra.

Saw it.
Can you see a lemon in your head? I'm mean picture it in your head?

Dumbass got snagged.

Anyone knows what the hell im going on about?...

I just posted to a lady who sent me links to math books ya stupid weasel. Just because you wander in to the middle of the movie and ask what's going on, does not mean the intended audience is as lost as you are.

[DMC]

Saw it.
Can you see a lemon in your head? I'm mean picture it in your head?

Dumbass got snagged.

Anyone knows what the hell im going on about?...

I just posted to a lady who sent me links to math books ya stupid weasel. Just because you wander in to the middle of the movie and ask what's going on, does not mean the intended audience is as lost as you are.

You're Avante's relative, aren't you, ya half pint. ok? Ok? yeah you bet.. buddy.

[pgardn]

Are you even American?

Says the guy who writes articles for Time magazine and is interested in quantum entanglement...

When you dive too deep, you scrape bottom.
Its a Russian saying.

[Pavlov]

I didn't blame the police.You didn't answer the question.

So how would you stop any other information from being released from any source?

[pgardn]

You're Avante's relative, aren't you, ya half pint. ok? Ok? yeah you bet.. buddy.

Did you win or lose this one?

How are you marking it?

[DMC]

Did you win or lose this one?

How are you marking it?

"Day by day" -John Rambo

[DMC]

Says the guy who writes articles for Time magazine and is interested in quantum entanglement...

When you dive too deep, you scrape bottom.
Its a Russian saying.

I also like free rent in mental cavities.

[DMC]

You didn't answer the question.

So how would you stop any other information from being released from any source?

Why would it ever be incumbent on me to stop it?

[pgardn]

I also like free rent in mental cavities.

"I write for Time Magazine and am interested in quantum entanglement, Alex. I also have no Fkn clue what X as a function of y even means."

Just airdrop into an algebra discussion anytime you want to feel as if you have corrected something.

[Pavlov]

Why would it ever be incumbent on me to stop it?If it were up to you, how would you stop any other information from being released from any source?

[Spurminator]

:lmao yeah, I’m sure the false flag nutjobs will act responsibly and reasonably if the shooter’s identity is hidden.

Right. Suddenly every mass shooter will be a Muslim Antifa member who owned a pizza restaurant where the Clintons ate.

[Pavlov]

Right. Suddenly every mass shooter will be a Muslim Antifa member who owned a pizza restaurant where the Clintons ate.Hah! Joke's on you.

They already are all those things!

[boutons_deux]

The N.R.A. Lobbyist Behind Florida’s Pro-Gun Policies

Marion Hammer’s unique influence over legislators has produced laws that dramatically alter long-held American norms.

“I was talking to one of the Douglas students,” Daley said.

“His only words to me were ‘Do something.’

I had to tell him that I legally can’t do anything, because the governor could take away my job if I tried.”

Moskowitz turned to me. “That’s the legacy of Marion Hammer,” he said.

Hammer is the National Rifle Association’s Florida lobbyist.

At seventy-eight years old, she is nearing four decades as the most influential gun lobbyist in the United States.

Her policies have elevated Florida’s gun owners to a uniquely privileged status, and made the public carrying of firearms a fact of daily life in the state.

Daley was referring to a law that Hammer worked to enact in 2011, during Governor Rick Scott’s first year in office.

The statute punishes local officials who attempt to establish gun regulations stricter than those imposed at the state level.

Officials can be fined thousands of dollars and removed from office.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/05/the-nra-lobbyist-behind-floridas-pro-gun-policies?mbid=nl_Daily%20022318&CNDID=43758549&spMailingID=12995294&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1342123349&spReportId=MTM0MjEyMzM0OQS2

I suppose Hammer's laws and regs are responsible for a FL murderer like George Zimmerman walking free.

[boutons_deux]

Third grader shoots police officer's gun at school during 'group activity' in Minnesota school (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/23/1744193/-Third-grader-shoots-police-officer-s-gun-at-school-during-group-activity-in-Minn-school)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/23/1744193/-Third-grader-shoots-police-officer-s-gun-at-school-during-group-activity-in-Minn-school?detail=emaildkre

[ElNono]

The research routinely states that mass shootings don't occur frequently enough given the population to make an scientifically sound correlations. However we're speculating.

It's not about releasing his bio. The term "release" is a neutral offering. The media loops it, they don't "release" it. I suppose the Russians released false information instead of spamming the shit out of it. If that could sway an election, why can't it sway an already unstable mind?

That's why research in this area needs to be done by agencies that track data over long periods of time. If it's not scientifically sound, then it carries very little value, IMO.

I already stated my opinion about the results of the last election, that doesn't mean there was no Russian interference, but I would also be curious to know what's the real impact of the alleged interference, and basically these alleged social manipulation tools.

[Chris]

That's why research in this area needs to be done by agencies that track data over long periods of time. If it's not scientifically sound, then it carries very little value, IMO.

I already stated my opinion about the results of the last election, that doesn't mean there was no Russian interference, but I would also be curious to know what's the real impact of the alleged interference, and basically these alleged social manipulation tools.

Studies have shown they have ZERO impact.

[Pavlov]

Studies have shown they have ZERO impact.Which studies, Chris?

[Chris]

Which studies, Chris?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/upshot/fake-news-and-bots-may-be-worrisome-but-their-political-power-is-overblown.html

[Pavlov]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/upshot/fake-news-and-bots-may-be-worrisome-but-their-political-power-is-overblown.htmlWell, you've posted tweets from guys who retweeted Russian bot tweets, so they certainly got to you.

[Chris]

Well, you've posted tweets from guys who retweeted Russian bot tweets, so they certainly got to you.

Explain your theory, and name the guys who retweeted Russian bot tweets and point me to those tweets. Also explain how they "got to me" when I already decided to vote for Trump a year before the election.

[Pavlov]

Explain your theory, and name the guys who retweeted Russian bot tweets and point me to those tweets. Also explain how they "got to me" when I already decided to vote for Trump a year before the election.Cernovich and Posobiec to name two.

No one said they changed your vote, white Chris.

[pgardn]

That's why research in this area needs to be done by agencies that track data over long periods of time. If it's not scientifically sound, then it carries very little value, IMO.

I already stated my opinion about the results of the last election, that doesn't mean there was no Russian interference, but I would also be curious to know what's the real impact of the alleged interference, and basically these alleged social manipulation tools.

And if the agencies get data that correlates to behavior conservatives don't like, that agency is branded politically motivated. Just like climatologists are undermining their credibility because they gave us bad news. Scientists are all flaming Liberals, can't be trusted.

So easy and so tired... Some on this board just wear it to the bone. They can't handle the truth.

As as to your last paragraph, there is no doubt there was interference. I personally think it will be very difficult to assess the impact. Also, IMO, the impact did not significantly change the results. It was close. That's the take home fact, close. There was a very angry block that voted Trump. The significant part of his votes, (not the looney tunes 1/3 that stick by him) were people who responded to the have and have not theme and wealth discrepancy. This is also why Bernie gave Hillary fits. So in my mind, when the country is so evenly split, flip a coin. We have a real division and someone has to lead.

Most important is the absolute paranoid, unwillingness to investigate the extent of the interference so the public knows and the government responds with sanctions and isolating individuals who took part in taking money from Putin. This is very disturbing. Trump and the 1/3 think investigating interference delegitimizes their victory. The election is over. Trump IS president. Can Trump (&the1/3) possibly act like a president and understand the importance of free and fair elections?
( now the response is but,but, but... the US has played games in elections also... So the fuck what; shame on us, stop it and let the public know what we have done, which we do know) Now, let Mueller et al investigate. And if it leads to further investigation of only Russians please continue. We need to know. Let the intelligence community give us the goods.

[DMC]

"I write for Time Magazine and am interested in quantum entanglement, Alex. I also have no Fkn clue what X as a function of y even means."

Just airdrop into an algebra discussion anytime you want to feel as if you have corrected something.

I wasn't even reading all that wall of text, just the "never saw it before I witnessed it" comment. That was priceless. I can see you're worked up though.

[DMC]

If it were up to you, how would you stop any other information from being released from any source?

You mean like if I had omniscient control over all of the world?

I would have control over said sources. Problem solved.

The problem is "what would you do" is usually tied to "if you were..."

If I was in charge of all media (like in the land of Oz), I would avoid giving the shooter more airtime than the victims. I wouldn't give him any other than name and age.

[DMC]

That's why research in this area needs to be done by agencies that track data over long periods of time. If it's not scientifically sound, then it carries very little value, IMO.

I already stated my opinion about the results of the last election, that doesn't mean there was no Russian interference, but I would also be curious to know what's the real impact of the alleged interference, and basically these alleged social manipulation tools.

In the absence of solid, scientific study, you have to take what you can get. You'll never know how the Russians affected the election but you can probably safely say they swayed some votes. You could pool a group of 200K people and ask everyone if the video games made them want to shoot other people IRL, they'd likely say no. How do you ever get that real data? Maybe it didn't, but if it swayed one in 10 million just enough to think "what would it take for me to ever do that?" then you put those people together and when said condition exists, you get what you got.

[pgardn]

I wasn't even reading all that wall of text, just the "never saw it before I witnessed it" comment. That was priceless. I can see you're worked up though.

So you did not read the wall of text meant and directed towards rmt. We were discussing algebra, she suggested books I had heard about, and you responded. Yet you found my Yogism. But you did not read it. Sure thing.

How about:

I would have never foreseen these math difficulties until I witnessed it for myself and asked questions.

So I'm glad you got a laugh. Anyways, you should have just stopped there instead of carrying on.

x(y) = 5(y)+ y^2

When the parenthesis used mean two different things in the same equation I was enlightened as to why the student was having difficulty. I never detected this misuse on my own. And you, you showed bravado leading to a good humbling moment. So I enjoyed this and my own Yogy.

[Chris]

967613010461188096

[Chris]

967586585737924608

[Chris]

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[DMC]

Without googling it, what’s the name of the shooter who gunned down the congregation in the south Texas church, or the dude who shot of the Florida nightclub, or the guy who shot up the Jason Aldene concert? I couldn’t tell you any of them without looking them up. They’re not famous. I know Dylan Roof and James Holmes but that’s because they lived and I followed their trials.

Without googling it can you name a single victim of Dylan Roof of James Holmes?

Of course not.

[DMC]

So you did not read the wall of text meant and directed towards rmt. We were discussing algebra, she suggested books I had heard about, and you responded. Yet you found my Yogism. But you did not read it. Sure thing.

How about:

I would have never foreseen these math difficulties until I witnessed it for myself and asked questions.

So I'm glad you got a laugh. Anyways, you should have just stopped there instead of carrying on.

x(y) = 5(y)+ y^2

When the parenthesis used mean two different things in the same equation I was enlightened as to why the student was having difficulty. I never detected this misuse on my own. And you, you showed bravado leading to a good humbling moment. So I enjoyed this and my own Yogy.






More drama from the site weirdo.

[AaronY]

Is this true? 10,000 was hired?

966902961984061440

[DMC]

Is this true? 10,000 was hired?

966902961984061440

Man, if there were only more school shooting attempts we could get our money's worth.

[Monostradamus]

Without googling it can you name a single victim of Dylan Roof of James Holmes?

Of course not.


Man, if there were only more school shooting attempts we could get our money's worth.

I mean, I love trolling and/or snark as much as the next guy, but sometimes you are such a fucking tryhard :lol just let the game come to you, man.

[DMC]

I mean, I love trolling and/or snark as much as the next guy, but sometimes you are such a fucking tryhard :lol just let the game come to you, man.

I don't study you so I wouldn't know.

[ElNono]

In the absence of solid, scientific study, you have to take what you can get. You'll never know how the Russians affected the election but you can probably safely say they swayed some votes. You could pool a group of 200K people and ask everyone if the video games made them want to shoot other people IRL, they'd likely say no. How do you ever get that real data? Maybe it didn't, but if it swayed one in 10 million just enough to think "what would it take for me to ever do that?" then you put those people together and when said condition exists, you get what you got.

I really don't have to take anything. You can always say I don't know. Until there's conclusive data, we don't really know.

The social media phenomenon is fairly new, relatively speaking. I would even be skeptic of taking any study at face value unless the sampling goes for a few years (probably as far back as Barry's campaign, which was one of the first ones to rely heavily on that medium).

Obviously, everybody is free to have different standard, and their own opinions. I have expressed mine when I said I thought Shillary was a really bad candidate (number of reasons, unlikeability, etc), and the main reason she lost the election.

But, I certainly look forward to reading about these sociological experiments in social media.

[ElNono]

And if the agencies get data that correlates to behavior conservatives don't like, that agency is branded politically motivated. Just like climatologists are undermining their credibility because they gave us bad news. Scientists are all flaming Liberals, can't be trusted.

So easy and so tired... Some on this board just wear it to the bone. They can't handle the truth.

As as to your last paragraph, there is no doubt there was interference. I personally think it will be very difficult to assess the impact. Also, IMO, the impact did not significantly change the results. It was close. That's the take home fact, close. There was a very angry block that voted Trump. The significant part of his votes, (not the looney tunes 1/3 that stick by him) were people who responded to the have and have not theme and wealth discrepancy. This is also why Bernie gave Hillary fits. So in my mind, when the country is so evenly split, flip a coin. We have a real division and someone has to lead.

Most important is the absolute paranoid, unwillingness to investigate the extent of the interference so the public knows and the government responds with sanctions and isolating individuals who took part in taking money from Putin. This is very disturbing. Trump and the 1/3 think investigating interference delegitimizes their victory. The election is over. Trump IS president. Can Trump (&the1/3) possibly act like a president and understand the importance of free and fair elections?
( now the response is but,but, but... the US has played games in elections also... So the fuck what; shame on us, stop it and let the public know what we have done, which we do know) Now, let Mueller et al investigate. And if it leads to further investigation of only Russians please continue. We need to know. Let the intelligence community give us the goods.

I do dislike the fact that interest groups can simply ban government research. I don't really care how people individually react to said research, but I do think that kind of insistence to remain ignorant is terrible. I understand groups basically buying up fraudulent studies (although I don't agree with the practice), like the Phillip Morris of yesteryear, but outright banning is deplorable.

[pgardn]

More drama from the site weirdo.

Says the OCD wannabe author who got his Time Magazine article altered.
Alleged author alleges editing. Cool story.

[boutons_deux]

"dislike the fact that interest groups can simply ban government research"

the oligarchy's "interest groups simply" own and operate the entire govt. Elections are a scam, not "freedom and democracy" nor "power to the people"

NRA/BigGun own govt by

1) donating to politicians (they're very cheap)

2) running campaign ads to support or slander candidates

[Spurminator]

When other westernized countries get social media, they're fucked.

[pgardn]

I do dislike the fact that interest groups can simply ban government research. I don't really care how people individually react to said research, but I do think that kind of insistence to remain ignorant is terrible. I understand groups basically buying up fraudulent studies (although I don't agree with the practice), like the Phillip Morris of yesteryear, but outright banning is deplorable.

Government agencies have little credibility with the willfully ignorant 1/3. It is important for a country to be able to " go in for a physical" and at least get some numbers since the diagnosis and treatment will be disputed. This is where we stand with the ideologues backing Trump. We have a president who repeatedly denies the veracity of the intelligence community, the military, the scientific community of a country just because things don't appear to be the "greatest fantastic _____ (overuse superlatives).

If one wanted to start a dictatorship: Criticize government agencies/branches you don't have total control of. Attack the press. Sow doubt in the public. Purge and replace with willing servants and family.

All we have to do is take a micro view of how the White House is run.

[monosylab1k]

I don't study you so I wouldn't know.

Good one, tryhard!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4Gj7JsET4

[TeyshaBlue]

I really don't have to take anything. You can always say I don't know. Until there's conclusive data, we don't really know.

The social media phenomenon is fairly new, relatively speaking. I would even be skeptic of taking any study at face value unless the sampling goes for a few years (probably as far back as Barry's campaign, which was one of the first ones to rely heavily on that medium).

Obviously, everybody is free to have different standard, and their own opinions. I have expressed mine when I said I thought Shillary was a really bad candidate (number of reasons, unlikeability, etc), and the main reason she lost the election.

But, I certainly look forward to reading about these sociological experiments in social media.

RG posted a really interesting paper concerning this. Its a longish read but the methodology is fascinating.

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/33759251/2017-08_electionReport_0.pdf?sequence=9

[DMC]

Says the OCD wannabe author who got his Time Magazine article altered.
Alleged author alleges editing. Cool story.

So you say.

[ElNono]

RG posted a really interesting paper concerning this. Its a longish read but the methodology is fascinating.

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/33759251/2017-08_electionReport_0.pdf?sequence=9

thanks for sharing

[boutons_deux]

RG posted a really interesting paper concerning this. Its a longish read but the methodology is fascinating.

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/33759251/2017-08_electionReport_0.pdf?sequence=9

Taking that at quite credible face value, the asymmetry of extremism is obviously to the right, another denial of "both parties are the same", that the equivalence is false, both parties are NOT equally guilty of fatal polarization of America.

The oligarchy / Capitalists and literalist, Bible-humping Christian Taliban finance, promote the polarization and right extremism.

[Reck]

Republicans love not doing their jobs but when it comes to asking for people they dont agree with to resign, they're right there. :lol

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[boutons_deux]

NRA liars are getting TRASHED on the Sunday morning shows, deservedly.

[Spurminator]

If you shoot a kid with a toy gun because you're afraid, we support you.

If you avoid an adult with a semi-automatic weapon because you're afraid, go fuck yourself, coward.

[Chris]

What Percentage Of Mass Shootings Happen In ‘Gun Free Zones’? The Number Is Stunning.



After dozens of warning signs and alerts from concerned citizens went unnoticed, a shooter walked into a South Florida high school and murdered 17 people. In the wake of the tragic mass shooting, guns and "gun free zones" have become hot-button issues.

The Left has since turned-up the volume on calls for a crackdown on Secondment Amendment rights, quickly exploiting teens who attend the targeted school to makes the case for them. They have also slammed the suggestion that schools should have armed security, or perhaps well-trained, voluntarily armed teachers.

But what does the evidence say about "gun free zones"?

According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, "gun free zones" (areas where guns are prohibited) have been the target of more than 98% of all mass shootings. This staggering number is why such designated areas are often referred to as "soft targets," meaning unprotected and vulnerable.

"According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, only a little more than 1% of mass public shootings since 1950 have occurred in places that were not considered to be a gun-free zone," reports The Blaze. "In fact, as Crime Prevention Research Center President John Lott Jr. noted in October 2015, only two mass shootings in the U.S. since 1950 have occurred in an area where citizens were not prohibited from carrying a gun."

Former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat, introduced the Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) to the U.S. Senate in 1990, and it was signed into law by then-President George H.W. Bush, a Republican. The act was clearly proposed with the intent to prevent mass shootings at such precious areas as schools. But the act, as the statistic proves, did not result in the desired outcome.

While mass shootings are a complex issue with more than one action needed to prevent them, it seems unclear why gun control advocates would hold so tight to their well-intended, but ultimately dangerous "gun free zones" even in the face of such a staggering reality. Why is it kosher to protect our politicians, Hollywood celebrities, and federal currency with guns, but not our children?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27440/what-percentage-mass-shootings-happen-gun-free-amanda-prestigiacomo#

[rmt]

Just watched Fox News Sunday where the father of daughter killed at Parkland pointed out the school safety issue - saying treat schools like courthouses. No one/judge in the courthouse is worried about getting shot at - there's no gun argument, no worries about mental health, etc.

[boutons_deux]

Just watched Fox News Sunday where the father of daughter killed at Parkland pointed out the school safety issue - saying treat schools like courthouses. No one/judge in the courthouse is worried about getting shot at - there's no gun argument, no worries about mental health, etc.

Fuck that bullshit

Repugs cutting school funding everywhere

[Th'Pusher]

Fuck that bullshit

Repugs cutting school funding everywhere
rmt doesn’t care about government spending anymore. That was so 2008-2016.

[Chris]

Sheriff gets grilled by Tapper


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[monosylab1k]

Sheriff gets grilled by Tapper


967778569194803202

CNN good now

[Spurtacular]

But... but... but the people have enough of the guns.....

:lol Record #'s at FL gun show

http://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/florida-gun-show-sees-record-number-of-attendees-despite-gun-control-debate/67-523267641

[Spurminator]

But... but... but the people have enough of the guns.....

:lol Record #'s at FL gun show

http://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/florida-gun-show-sees-record-number-of-attendees-despite-gun-control-debate/67-523267641


You are so profoundly stupid, it's almost artistic.

[Spurtacular]

You are so profoundly stupid, it's almost artistic.

You consistently post like a faggot who just downed a six pack.

[AaronY]

Sheriff gets grilled by Tapper


967778569194803202
Thought Tapper fake news tho?!?

[DMX7]

Considering the heroism of some of the teachers at Parkland, I can understand the harsh criticism of the officers who didn't confront the gunman. However, the gunman did have a powerful AR-15 and they probably had lowly pistols so it wasn't exactly a fair fight for them either. Either way, they should have confronted the gunman but I can at least understand what they were probably thinking... maybe.

[Isitjustme?]

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[rmt]

Considering the heroism of some of the teachers at Parkland, I can understand the harsh criticism of the officers who didn't confront the gunman. However, the gunman did have a powerful AR-15 and they probably had lowly pistols so it wasn't exactly a fair fight for them either. Either way, they should have confronted the gunman but I can at least understand what they were probably thinking... maybe.

It's different if one is not in immediate danger (like these officiers) but I think teachers/coaches should be allowed to carry/defend themselves and their students - they were the ones in danger and any gun is better than nothing at all. Also add metal detectors/xray machines to schools.

[AaronY]

It's different if one is not in immediate danger (like these officiers) but I think teachers/coaches should be allowed to carry/defend themselves and their students - they were the ones in danger and any gun is better than nothing at all. Also add metal detectors/xray machines to schools.
The fucking cops were too scared to go in lmao. when the teachers are too scared whats next? arm the janitors and the lunch lady?

[pgardn]

It's different if one is not in immediate danger (like these officiers) but I think teachers/coaches should be allowed to carry/defend themselves and their students - they were the ones in danger and any gun is better than nothing at all. Also add metal detectors/xray machines to schools.

Both have actually been done. Texas school districts can choose to have teachers with guns, it's a bit secret as the public does not know which school districts and which teachers within that district actually have a gun on campus with them. It's said to be smaller districts in rural west Texas and some small ones on the border with Oklahoma. It works the same way as air Marshall scecrecy. We have little idea how well it works but it apparently makes people feel safer. The metal detector stuff took place in urban NE and others. But you want to federalize it? Also there was some method of "votin" the Texas school districts used for parental input. It is assumedthat none of the big urban school districts in Texas use the "secret air Marshall method". Most districts that approved this are thought to be a significant time away from first responders. The teachers are trained by local law enforcement. I will try and find the link. The supers of the small districts interviewed for the article.

cant find the one I read and off to work

here is another I did not read

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/education/article/Armed-teachers-In-some-Texas-classrooms-the-12704933.php

[djohn2oo8]

968182797050490886

:lmao

[AaronY]

Trump said today he would have run into the school even if he didnt have a weapon

:lmao :lmao

Captain Bone Spurs

:rollin

[spurraider21]

i would say say something like "i wish he did run into the school" but i'm not going to say that

[Pavlov]

Trump said today he would have run into the school even if he didnt have a weapon

:lmao :lmao

Captain Bone Spurs

:rollinlol Everyone is a retroactive hypothetical hero.

[Trill Clinton]

Trump said today he would have run into the school even if he didnt have a weapon

:lmao :lmao

Captain Bone Spurs

:rollin

the same guy who almost shit his pants when the SS had to tackle a weirdo behind him:lol

[Trill Clinton]

968182797050490886

[Pavlov]

Yeah, now willingness to carry a gun around children ready to kill at all times will be the litmus test for "good" teachers.

[monosylab1k]

Such a courageous man :lmao

https://videos.posttv.com/washpost-production/The_Washington_Post/20161106/581e8199e4b0657ad0721003/581e81aae4b02f0a6db59dd1_1455589917779-yrd15k_t_1478394376638_640_360_400.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/NWEu5J2U7e5sA/giphy.gif

[Pavlov]

Such a courageous man :lmao

https://videos.posttv.com/washpost-production/The_Washington_Post/20161106/581e8199e4b0657ad0721003/581e81aae4b02f0a6db59dd1_1455589917779-yrd15k_t_1478394376638_640_360_400.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/NWEu5J2U7e5sA/giphy.gifTrump's problem is he isn't carrying multiple firearms himself at all times.

Seriously, how can anyone trust him to handle babies if he's not willing to kill for them right at that moment?

http://dlisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/trumpbabies2016.jpg

[Blake]

Trump said today he would have run into the school even if he didnt have a weapon

:lmao :lmao

Captain Bone Spurs

:rollin

I'm sure if they would have let him go to Vietnam he would have had brought home at least a dozen purple hearts

[Chris]

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[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

967802920191246336:lol which pilots carry assault-style rifles?

[Pavlov]

967976784376496128Yep, they're afraid.

They always are.

lol

[monosylab1k]

967802920191246336

Yeah, the intensive screenings before you can get into the airport probably have nothing to do with it. Terrorists are shook by all the Steven Seagal pilots out there.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, the intensive screenings before you can get into the airport probably have nothing to do with it. Terrorists are shook by all the Steven Seagal pilots out there.Boxcutters are now illegal on planes.

Terrorism solved!

[djohn2oo8]

967802920191246336

Captain Andy Danziger (l., with first officer onboard a military charter during Operation Desert Storm, when weapons were a common site),

Chris. You are such a fucking liar.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, the intensive screenings before you can get into the airport probably have nothing to do with it. Terrorists are shook by all the Steven Seagal pilots out there.


Boxcutters are now illegal on planes.

Terrorism solved!
what a shitty solution. instead, why not arm every passenger and crew member with a box cutter? banning box cutters means you're only taking away box cutters from good people

[monosylab1k]

what a shitty solution. instead, why not arm every passenger and crew member with a box cutter? banning box cutters means you're only taking away box cutters from good people

Makes sense. The founding fathers wanted us to be able to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government from a flying machine that’s a mile up in the sky. We need well regulated box cutter air militias NOW!

[Chris]

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[Chris]

Teacher Describes Parkland Shooter Dressed In Full SWAT Riot Gear



An astonishing revelation about the Florida high school shooting was revealed in an interview with a heroic Parkland teacher who risked her own life to save others. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School teacher Stacy Lippel appeared on Good Morning America and recounted her harrowing experience.

Lippel describes herding her students into her classroom to try and protect them from the shooter. Moments after the first shots rang out, Lippel got a clear view of the shooter and what she describes is chilling. "Then I saw the shooter about twenty feet from me standing at the end of the hallway, actively shooting down the hallway," she said.

"Just a barrage of bullets."

"And I'm staring at him thinking, 'Why is the police here? This is strange'. He's in full metal garb. Helmet, facemask, bulletproof armor, shooting this rifle that I've never seen before." Lippel goes on to describe how she closed her classroom door to protect her students seeking shelter inside.

"I grabbed the handle with both hands and that's when I got nicked or grazed, or whatever you call it." Lippel points to her left upper arm where a grazing wound is visible. The interviewer asks, "A bullet hit your arm?" She replies, "Yes. As I'm closing my door I'm shouting at my next door neighbor, Mr. Scott Beigel, to close his door."

"And he's the kind of man that would keep that door open a little longer, you know, he's all about the kids," Lippel said. Fellow teacher 35-year-old Scott Beigel would not survive the shooting that day.

https://thegoldwater.com/news/19411-Teacher-Describes-Parkland-Shooter-Dressed-In-Full-SWAT-Riot-Gear

[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW_EmbXU8AAW-1S.jpg:large

[Chris]

968239325283606529

[Pavlov]

968239325283606529Why doesn't she just say what she knows now?

[Chris]

967563409100279808

[Blake]

Thanks to the 2A the robber has a shotgun

[Chris]

Blake hates the 2A

[Pavlov]

Blake hates the 2AHow many guns do you own, Chris?

[Monostradamus]

Blake hates the 2A
so do you.

[Chris]

tee hee


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[Pavlov]

tee hee


968251444854906880Why? What does the Georgia senate care about an airline's affinity programs?

[monosylab1k]

tee hee


968251444854906880

government over-reach good now.

[florige]

Such a courageous man :lmao

https://videos.posttv.com/washpost-production/The_Washington_Post/20161106/581e8199e4b0657ad0721003/581e81aae4b02f0a6db59dd1_1455589917779-yrd15k_t_1478394376638_640_360_400.gif

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I was thinking the same thing. I would def want Trump as a partner of mine entering into a dangerous situation. I'm pretty sure he would take a bullet for me in a heartbeat.

[Chris]

lol MSNBC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW_3_a4VwAAGVI-.jpg

[Pavlov]

lol MSNBC


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW_3_a4VwAAGVI-.jpgWhat are your stats for each, Chris?

[Chris]

What are your stats for each, Chris?

It's not about the stats (which are probably bullshit) Pavlov, its the fact they are actually making that argument to propagate a ban for "AR-15" and "AR-15 Style" rifles. The source is “Dr David Shatz, trauma surgeon” who is a long time gun control advocate. Why are they using that source Pavlov?

[Pavlov]

It's not about the stats (which are probably bullshit) Pavlov, its the fact they are actually making that argument to propagate a ban for "AR-15" and "AR-15 Style" rifles. The source is “Dr David Shatz, trauma surgeon” who is a long time gun control advocate. Why are they using that source Pavlov?Probably because he researched it.

You just said it's not about the stats so you apparently accept them at face value.

Shatz and other trauma surgeons attribute the kinds of wounding victims get from ar-15s, etc., in part to the speed of the bullets fired. Would you like to see what other trauma surgeons say?

[RandomGuy]

Last fall, they debated gun control in class. Now, they debate lawmakers on TV.


When students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High debated gun control in class last November, they never imagined they were preparing to lead a national discussion on how to prevent school shootings.

As the debate team filled Google docs with research on state laws, brainstormed arguments for and against universal background checks and wrote speeches, they were amassing information that would later help them formulate arguments on national TV, in face-to-face meetings with Florida legislators and at vigils for their murdered classmates.

And it’s not just the students at Stoneman Douglas. Since a gunman opened fire at the high school last Wednesday, killing 17 people, teenagers from across Broward County have joined the call for stricter gun control policies. They have been praised for their composure and well-articulated arguments, which often appear so polished they have fueled conspiracy theories that the students are “crisis actors.”

But what really explains the students’ poise, said Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie, is the school district’s system-wide debate program that teaches extemporaneous speaking from an early age. Every public high school and middle school in the county has a debate program, along with more than two dozen elementary schools. It’s one of the largest debate programs in the country — and, amid the heartbreak, it has helped Broward students position themselves on the front lines of the #NeverAgain movement.

“I’m like a parent that is just beaming with pride in terms of how they have been able to express themselves, how they’ve exhibited a kind of courage that everybody needs to have and how they’re working to reclaim their future and do what they know is right,” Runcie said. “In some ways it seems like we’ve been preparing our kids for this moment without realizing it.”


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article201678544.html

[rmt]

i would say say something like "i wish he did run into the school" but i'm not going to say that

Hahaha - that's funny.

[Spurtacular]

:cry :cry :cry

:lol Today's utter loser.

[rmt]

The fucking cops were too scared to go in lmao. when the teachers are too scared whats next? arm the janitors and the lunch lady?

If they are too scared, then they are no worse off than they were before (unarmed). Arm any staff who is WILLING - I'm not saying to force anyone. But I'd rather have some weapon than nothing at all - how about you?

[Pavlov]

If they are too scared, then they are no worse off than they were before (unarmed). Arm any staff who is WILLING - I'm not saying to force anyone. But I'd rather have some weapon than nothing at all - how about you?So, open carry so you're ready to kill at any time? Or keep it concealed? In a locked drawer?

How's this going to work?

[RandomGuy]

PARKLAND, Fla.
The mother of Florida school shooting survivor David Hogg is speaking out after her family received death threats because her son and another survivor were accused of being crisis actors.

>> Florida sheriff rejects calls from state lawmaker for his ouster after Parkland school shooting

Hogg and fellow students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, have made frequent media appearances to call for action on gun control after police say Nikolas Cruz killed 17 people and injured more than a dozen others in a Valentine’s Day massacre.

>> Delta latest company ending discounts, benefits for NRA members

The students have since become the center of a false conspiracy theory claiming that they are actually actors who are coached before television appearances.

Stay classy.

[Pavlov]

Trump supporters can't stand the fact high school students are more intelligent and articulate than they are or their president is.

[Chris]

Trump supporters can't stand the fact high school students are more intelligent and articulate than they are or their president is.


David HoggVerified account
@davidhogg111
MSD class of 2018, #NeverAgain Activist, Sun Sentinel Teenlink reporter, Student film maker, entrepreneur, surfer and part-time dreamer and terrible speller


Pavlov :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trump Orders Parade to Celebrate His Hypothetical Act of Heroism in Florida School

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5a946b9dc89df17bb59f79cc/master/w_1298,c_limit/Borowitz-Trumps-Epic-Bravery.jpg

WASHINGTON —Shortly after he declared that he would have run into a Florida high school unarmed to thwart a mass shooting, Donald J. Trump announced that he was planning a parade in Washington, D.C., to celebrate his hypothetical act of heroism.

“Anyone can act with bravery in the moment,” Trump told reporters in the White House. “But

it takes a very special kind of hero to tell people about the incredibly brave thing he would have done weeks after the thing happened.”

He added that it was one of his greatest regrets that

bone spurs prevented him from serving in the Vietnam War,

“because the really courageous things I would have done during that war would have been off the charts.”

“As soon as the Tet Offensive happened, I would have run unarmed right into that mess,”

he said. “We probably would have won the war right after I did that.”

Trump said that the parade he was ordering

would honor not only him but all of America’s “last responders.”

According to a new poll,

Trump’s assertion that he would have run into the Florida high school unarmed was believed by his daughter Ivanka.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-orders-parade-to-celebrate-his-hypothetical-act-of-heroism-in-florida-school (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-orders-parade-to-celebrate-his-hypothetical-act-of-heroism-in-florida-school)

[Pavlov]

Pavlov :lolBannen :lol

[pgardn]

Chris has taken on heavy fire during this thread and nothing has changed,
still Kevlar for brains.

[clambake]

Trump Orders Parade to Celebrate His Hypothetical Act of Heroism in Florida School

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5a946b9dc89df17bb59f79cc/master/w_1298,c_limit/Borowitz-Trumps-Epic-Bravery.jpg

WASHINGTON —Shortly after he declared that he would have run into a Florida high school unarmed to thwart a mass shooting, Donald J. Trump announced that he was planning a parade in Washington, D.C., to celebrate his hypothetical act of heroism.

“Anyone can act with bravery in the moment,” Trump told reporters in the White House. “But

it takes a very special kind of hero to tell people about the incredibly brave thing he would have done weeks after the thing happened.”

He added that it was one of his greatest regrets that

bone spurs prevented him from serving in the Vietnam War,

“because the really courageous things I would have done during that war would have been off the charts.”

“As soon as the Tet Offensive happened, I would have run unarmed right into that mess,”

he said. “We probably would have won the war right after I did that.”

Trump said that the parade he was ordering

would honor not only him but all of America’s “last responders.”

According to a new poll,

Trump’s assertion that he would have run into the Florida high school unarmed was believed by his daughter Ivanka.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-orders-parade-to-celebrate-his-hypothetical-act-of-heroism-in-florida-school (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-orders-parade-to-celebrate-his-hypothetical-act-of-heroism-in-florida-school)




look at the picture

he just broke his mothers back

[Chris]

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[Chris]

Florida EMTs Say Broward Sheriff Blocked Medics From Treating Gunned Down Students Inside School



Three high-ranking Florida officials close to the law enforcement response at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School tell Fox News there was a delay in Emergency Medical Service getting into the school in the critical moments after Nikolas Cruz allegedly opened fire, killing 17 people and wounding at least 14 others.

Two separate sources told Fox News some of the EMS teams who requested to enter the school were told they could not. One source said it was the Broward County Sheriff’s Office – which was the commanding office – that ordered some of the EMS crews not to go into the school when they requested to enter.

“What’s going to come out is, in the communications on several circumstances, there was the request to enter... the request was denied from Broward County,” a Florida official told Fox News.

“When you have a police agency saying we don’t want you going in, that’s a problem,” another Florida official said. “The training since Columbine has been [that] first responders, police go in immediately with paramedics.”

In an email to Fox News, a BSO spokesperson forwarded a memo it released on Saturday. In part, the memo read, “there are multiple investigations being conducted in addition to the Stoneman Douglas shooting. Investigators will not be rushed or asked to jump to conclusions. Their investigations are thorough and methodical as they take and compare witness statements, review dozens of incident reports, transcribe and analysis numerous radio transmissions, listen to more than 80 911 calls.”

Multiple high-ranking sources told Fox News police officers and deputies were bringing victims out to EMS workers to be treated instead of allowing EMS inside. One fire official said that “sometimes” that’s just how it would happen, but at least one emergency responder wondered if the response was detrimental to the victims.

Three Florida officials confirmed to Fox News that the emergency response at Stoneman Douglas apparently went against standard EMS training in which EMS teams typically go into emergency situations right behind police as soon as possible.

“We’re trained to go in behind the advanced team to engage the shooter. We’re trained to get in behind them with a security contingent of law enforcement. It’s my understanding that it didn’t happen right away,” a high-ranking fire official told Fox News. “There was a delay.”

Mike Moser, the Division Chief of Fire Administration for Coral Springs-Parkland Fire Department, which was on scene that day, released a statement in response to the growing requests from reporters about the Rescue Task Force mode — which would have paired up paramedics with law enforcement to enter the building.

Moser said RTF was presented to the commanding officers of the Broward Sheriff’s Office, but the request was denied because the type of response was not appropriate at that time, since the location of the shooter was not known. RTF can be employed only when law enforcement can clear an area for EMS.

“Decisions cannot be made in a vacuum. All of the variables must be taken into consideration before a rescue task force can be enabled,” Moser told Fox News. “It is possible that those that are upset about not being allowed inside, simply do not have all of the information that our law-enforcement partners had in making their decision.”

In a press release, Moser said the Coral Springs-Parkland Fire Department was in command of all medical functions, and only that relating to the care of patients.

Moser said he could not recall EMS ever going into an area that hadn’t been cleared by law enforcement without the assistance of police or a security contingency.

“It’s a joint venture, they can’t operate with us and we can’t operate without them,” Moser said.

Still, officials and responders remained angry about how operations were handled. Fox News’ reporting aligns with similar information from reporter Brian Entin of Fox News affiliate WSVN in Miami.

Entin reports he spoke to a seasoned emergency medical responder who was one of the first on the scene to the Stoneman Douglas shooting. The responder told Entin, “everything I was trained on mass casualty events says they did the wrong thing.”

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The responder also reportedly told Entin that medical teams were willing to risk their lives to go inside and were asking their scene commander why they were standing around. “The response every time was, law enforcement did not clear the scene and would not allow medical personnel in.”

The responder added, “I would hypothesize I could have saved lives. I can’t say for sure.”

Three high-ranking sources including a fire official told Fox News the responder who spoke to Entin could be accurate.

“The WSVN report is correct,” one source said.

“The WSVN report does not shock me given what I’ve found out,” said the fire official.

Several sources described the scene as very intense but gave credit to EMS for their heroic efforts and saving lives.

“We treated and transported and saved lives,” one fire official said, comparing the situation to a battlefield as emergency responders even used “tourniquets” and “high level treatments” in the field.

The allegations of a delayed EMS response came as Florida Gov. Rick Scott launched an investigation into the Broward County Sheriff’s office response on the day of the shooting and how the emergency was handled in its entirety.

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said the Stoneman Douglas High School resource officer, Scot Peterson, was removed from his post after it emerged that Peterson did not go inside the school during the shooting.

Peterson released a statement through his attorney in which he said his actions were appropriate under the circumstances and that surveillance and eyewitness testimony would exonerate him of alleged dereliction of duty.

Israel also said three other deputies were on restriction pending an investigation into their response on the day of the shooting. There were widespread allegations and reports from the Florida Sun Sentinel and CNN that the deputies also did not go inside the school.

One fire official said if there was a delay in the deputies' response, it would have had a domino effect on EMS.

“If they’re not going in then we’re not going in. We’re trained to go in with them,” a fire official told Fox News.

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, the state’s top law enforcement official, spoke to Fox News on Monday and weighed in on the ongoing investigation into the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, suggesting it would shine a light on the timeline of the February 14 massacre.

"I know a lot more than you all do now, so all I’m going to say is, yes, I believe there needs to be a full investigation,” Bondi said. “I don’t think some people were being honest and we’re going to investigate this in Florida and the right thing will be done.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/26/florida-emergency-medical-teams-frustrated-over-delay-in-parkland-school-shooting-response.html

[Chris]

government over-reach good now.


Why? What does the Georgia senate care about an airline's affinity programs?



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[pgardn]

968271216539660289


Huge surprise. Educating Chris about educating Liberals.

They (the Israelis) literally check everything on you everywhere.
This is probably the most security conscious country in the world.
Who would have guessed?

But they pay a price in freedom of movement, personal items, lines, security alerts...
And the mortars and rockets that fly in from Gaza have hit close to schools and hit a school bus.
Now they got Syria full of Iranians. So... Iron dome better start working really well. They need teachers to volunteer for duty in the iron Dome project.

A friend of mind just got back from Geology meetings in Jerasulem and Jordan. He said he never felt so safe and so watched. So there ya go. I went for a run this evening and a bike ride after. Besides the Deep State watching me from behind trees, it was pleasant. Nice weather.

[monosylab1k]

968296657187229696

https://media2.giphy.com/media/45QB3jax5sRsk/giphy.gif

Government over-reach good now.

[DMX7]

It's different if one is not in immediate danger (like these officiers) but I think teachers/coaches should be allowed to carry/defend themselves and their students - they were the ones in danger and any gun is better than nothing at all. Also add metal detectors/xray machines to schools.

Metal detectors only detect firearms. They don't actually prevent someone like Cruz from just barging through the front door and starting to shoot people like he did.

[DMX7]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/45QB3jax5sRsk/giphy.gif

I wonder how it would go over in Atlanta if Delta just picked up its HQ and moved it to another state. This guy must really want his NRA discount.

[Pavlov]

968296657187229696

https://media2.giphy.com/media/45QB3jax5sRsk/giphy.gifThat's not an attack, Chris. It's just ending a special privilege mostly white men enjoyed.

You "conservatives" love to play the victim.

While actually attacking actual schoolchildren who actually were victims.

lol "crisis actors"

[AaronY]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW_oLrSWsAAiXNe.jpg:large

[boutons_deux]

Trevor destroying the easily destructible piece of lying shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enfELcLr4q0&feature=em-uploademail

[boutons_deux]

Former Florida School Resource Officer Defends Response To Parkland Shooting

Scot Peterson said his decision to remain outside during the Feb. 14 massacre was based on his training as a Broward County sheriff’s deputy.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/resource-officer-florida-shooting_us_5a9458b2e4b02cb368c480e5?utm_medium=em ail&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__022718&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__022718+CID_7d1871fa ce557e6d1c682785224eee6e&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=based%20on%20his%20training&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__022718

[boutons_deux]

So Repug hate-govt but coddled-govt-employee-for-25-years governor Casey Cagle is a typical Repug authoritarian, bullying Delta for Delta's commercial/political decision that NRA dicks pay flights like any non-NRA dicks.

We'll see if cheap-shotting Cagle bullies verbally AND kills Delta tax breaks.

[pgardn]

So Repug hate-govt but coddled-govt-employee-for-25-years governor Casey Cagle is a typical Repug authoritarian, bullying Delta for Delta's commercial/political decision that NRA dicks pay flights like any non-NRA dicks.

We'll see if cheap-shotting Cagle bullies verbally AND kills Delta tax breaks.

More background on this for my own edification please sir?

This is very interesting.

[boutons_deux]

More background on this for my own edification please sir?

This is very interesting.

"Do Your Own Research" -- WC

try "cagle delta nra"

[pgardn]

This has now become a contest for politicians and talking heads...
Who can,verbally, with hand motions and flying spittle,
express the most outrage over this deputy's actions.

[pgardn]

"Do Your Own Research" -- WC

try "cagle delta nra"

Mang oh mang.
I wanted to read exactly the same article. Hint on publication?

[boutons_deux]

Mang oh mang.
I wanted to read exactly the same article. Hint on publication?

it's all over the media, take your pick.

[RandomGuy]

If they are too scared, then they are no worse off than they were before (unarmed). Arm any staff who is WILLING - I'm not saying to force anyone. But I'd rather have some weapon than nothing at all - how about you?

I would rather have no weapon at all.

Jeez. This shit idea just won't fucking die.

You seem to think it isn't a shit idea, so fine, let me drag you through the critical thinking process, which I guarantee you haven't done yet.

How much money do you want to spend per school district? What part of the school budget do you cut to pay for this?

Where do these hypothetical guns get kept? My wife has 180 students in and out of her class every day.

What happens when a teacher feels threatened and shoots an unarmed student? Who pays?

How are you going to pay for the liability insurance? Specifically what tax are you going to raise? What other part of the budget will you cut if you don't want to raise taxes for it?

This is just for starters. Get back with me, unless you suddenly have a fit of rational clarity and think it through.

[monosylab1k]

So, open carry so you're ready to kill at any time? Or keep it concealed? In a locked drawer?

How's this going to work?

Just give em a gun and let em go Charles Bronson when the time comes. Who cares about details, get those guns manufactured and sold ASAP!

[Chris]

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: At Active Shooter Training, Broward Sheriff Israel Instructs People to ‘Run and Hide’; Says Department is ‘A Defensive’ Unit that Doesn’t ‘Attack’



A video has surfaced from a Broward County Sheriff’s active shooter training session where Sheriff Scott Israel instructs a room full of citizens, police officers and SWAT members to run and hide when faced with an active shooter.

Israel also claimed during the training session that his officers were trained to put themselves last in an active shooter scenario, although his officers certainly put themselves first based on the events of the Feb. 14 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. In addition to the students injured, 17 students were gunned down and killed while sheriff’s officers refused to enter the school.

But his officers did run and hide. They got that part down. As many as four officers refused to enter the school while the shooter was inside.

Israel earlier this week said it wasn’t his responsibility if officers didn’t have the courage to enter the building. Perhaps some of those officers were in the room when Israel instructed people to run and hide.

Israel, on the video, also stresses his department is not offensive. They are defensive, he stresses. They don’t “attack,” he said.

Does that mean you are told to not charge into a building to subdue an active shooter?

Sure sounds like it.

Since when are police defensive when innocent lives are at stake?

We’re not sure where Israel received his training but it sure sounds and appears like he is in the wrong profession.

And it is quite likely people have died because of it.

Israel’s ‘defensive’ department has a history of mistakes and standing down during mass shootings.

In the wake of the Parkland, Florida shooting earlier this month, numerous students and lawmakers have called on Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel to resign over his inaction as leader of the law enforcement department.

According to The Daily Caller, Israel has a history of failure when it comes to responding to crisis situations, including a 2017 shooting at the Fort Lauderdale Airport.

A 99-page report drafted by department officials admitted the agency mishandled that shooting, adding that the department failed to take control of the shooting area, where chaos ensued and the suspect killed five people and injured six others.

https://truepundit.com/exclusive-video-active-shooter-training-broward-sheriff-israel-instructs-people-run-hide-says-department-defensive-unit-doesnt-attack/

[Xevious]

I would rather have no weapon at all.

Jeez. This shit idea just won't fucking die.

You seem to think it isn't a shit idea, so fine, let me drag you through the critical thinking process, which I guarantee you haven't done yet.

How much money do you want to spend per school district? What part of the school budget do you cut to pay for this?

Where do these hypothetical guns get kept? My wife has 180 students in and out of her class every day.

What happens when a teacher feels threatened and shoots an unarmed student? Who pays?

How are you going to pay for the liability insurance? Specifically what tax are you going to raise? What other part of the budget will you cut if you don't want to raise taxes for it?

This is just for starters. Get back with me, unless you suddenly have a fit of rational clarity and think it through.
The idea of forcing teachers to handle weapons, issuing service pistols, deputizing them, or even sending them to training on the school district's dime are all stupid suggestions I've read multiple times.

That said, if teachers are already CCW holders and chose to carry on campus or have a firearm locked in a safe, I would have no issue with that. There are many many concealed weapon holders out in the public and they aren't getting into gun fights in the streets because they feel threatened. Most see it as an absolute last resort as well as a huge responsibility they are taking on.

[pgardn]

So Trump disagrees.

He would go in head first.

Glad that's cleared up.
So Israel basically trains the officer to wait until the shooter is no longer active and has shot everyone.
Then capture the terrorist alive and interview for possible terrorist ties?
Thats a plan, man.

[rmt]

The idea of forcing teachers to handle weapons, issuing service pistols, deputizing them, or even sending them to training on the school district's dime are all stupid suggestions I've read multiple times.

That said, if teachers are already CCW holders and chose to carry on campus or have a firearm locked in a safe, I would have no issue with that. There are many many concealed weapon holders out in the public and they aren't getting into gun fights in the streets because they feel threatened. Most see it as an absolute last resort as well as a huge responsibility they are taking on.

Please link to anyone who is for FORCING teachers to handle weapons.

[monosylab1k]

Please link to anyone who is for FORCING teachers to handle weapons.

He says to arm 20% of teachers in a school. What happens if 0% want to be armed?

[Chris]

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:tu

[Chris]

This dude is toast. I hope they throw the book at him.

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[Chris]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28168257_2037101499845082_8900974737400823380_n.jp g?oh=c77c51a0f1572112ef45d23a595d8028&oe=5B0F6AE3

[monosylab1k]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shooting-survivors-father-admits-email-changes-cnn-spat-213024427.html

So the dad of that Trumptard kid admits he doctored the emails used to discredit CNN. Of course the damage is done and nothing will happen to that piece of shit.

[Chris]

mono defending CNN :lmao

[Down Under]

There's never a single "magic bullet" answer. But I believe we can blame a few elements of modern (American) life (since the 1980s, which is when mass/school shootings started increasing to uncomfortable frequencies) that could possibly explain the epidemic.

- As noted earlier by myself and a few others, mental health treatment in the country is terrible. To demonstrate how much society "cares" about mental health treatment, it costs 75K per year here in California (in tax dollars) to house an inmate (who is more than likely a non-violent offender and suffering from a mental health issue like addiction). In comparison, only 160 dollars are ear marked per capita for mental health treatment. See this list here on how much each state spends per capita: http://www.governing.com/gov-data/health/mental-health-spending-by-state.html. And the nationwide average to house inmates is 33K per year.

Furthermore, I don't see it as a surprise correlation that the mass shooting epidemic started in the 1980s after Reagan signed the Omnibus Act, which considerably slashed mental health care funding. And henceforth, the majority (if not all) states enacted a 72 hour hold provision in lieu of in-patient institutional commitment (the former is obviously much cheaper).

- 24 hours news cycle. Disillusioned, potentially violent people looking for a way to "get back" at society are notorious copycats. I grew up in the 80s, and never once saw a report about a mass shooting (despite there being many of them). CNN was only on cable, so there wasn't any channels that would cover a breaking story such as a mass shooting 24/7. The most coverage an incident like that would get would be a quick segment on the local 10 'o clock news (unless of course the incident was local to the area). So in those days, a brooding, unstable misanthrope ostensibly had less access to "inspirational ideas" and/or would receive much less coverage of his act (a typical trait of mass shooters is they want their act to be remembered). Today, a mass shooter is basically turned into a quasi-celebrity via the endless amount of news websites and channels, and for copycats, there's no shortage of "heroes," who are now household names, to emulate.

- Highest divorce rate in US history, single parent households at an all-time high. Not the best environment to rear children, and I'm not surprised there's a correlation (and epidemic divorce started in the 1980s).

- Echoing point 1, I think anti-depressants and other behavioral altering psychotropic drugs could play a role. Even though these drugs have been around for decades, we still really don't know the full range of their side-effects or efficacy. SSRIs never endured a comprehensive clinical trial before they were rushed out into the market. And recent studies have shown they're no more effective than placebo for treating depression. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/obsessively-yours/201001/five-reasons-not-take-ssris. And yet, physicians dish them out like candy. And once again, another positive correlation between the rise of SSRI prescriptions and mass shootings.

- This is probably the opinion you'll disagree with, but considering all the above, I think it is prudent to enact stricter gun control. The above factors have seemed to create a decline in our collective society's responsibility and trustworthiness, so to continue with 1940s gun control laws in the face of that doesn't make sense, at least until we get the above sociological factors sorted out. A troubled individual like Cruz should not have been able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15 like he was ordering a cheeseburger. Again, no bans, confiscation, just more vetting. Minimum age 21 and you're required to undergo a licensing procedure like when driving a car. Since mandatory mental health checkups can seem a bit draconian, maybe a mandatory renewal of your license every 2 years should be put into the books. I also think a tiered licensing structure makes sense. Class A, B, C. If you want to own something like an AR-15, I think you first need to prove yourself a responsible "Class A" (shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers) gun owner for a couple of years before you graduate to a higher class license. Automobile licenses are structured similarly.
Agree with everything you've said in this thread aside from parts of the mental illness argument. SSRI's have been proven by thousands of studies to be more effective than placebo's & are handed out (maybe too readily as you said) in other countries readily as well. In fact, the most effective treatment in depression & anxiety is CBT combined with SSRIs, which is where the problem may lie. Here you are entitled to counselling sessions free of charge, I'm not sure that is the case over there. Millions of people suffer from depression/anxiety disorders (myself included at various points) but you still have to be unhinged (either extremely angry & disillusioned with the world or suffering from delusions/hallucinations like schizophrenics often do) to carry out these sort of acts. I don't think it's right to lump people who have suffered from episodes of depression or anxiety disorders or both, which are fairly loosely diagnosed according to DSM-IV criteria (or even bipolar) in the same category as people who have Schizophrenia. I do however, strongly agree that just handing out medication to people without therapy as well is not a good thing. It makes sense that a lot of these people may have had these disorders & prescribed medication because people who are angry & disillusioned with the world often hate themselves as well - which is again, why counselling is so important.

[Pavlov]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28168257_2037101499845082_8900974737400823380_n.jp g?oh=c77c51a0f1572112ef45d23a595d8028&oe=5B0F6AE3Kids are dead and Chris got jokes.

[djohn2oo8]

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[pgardn]

mono defending CNN :lmao

Defend away.
WithFOX as well.
Thats purposely trying to keep people from examining the real deal.

Which apparently is a foreign concept for the Trumpworld population.
Flat out lying has become okay with you as well?

[boutons_deux]

The assault rifle / high capacity / bump stock horses have already escaped the barn.

Stopping any more sales, production is useless, unless combined with regulating all that are already out there.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

The assault rifle / high capacity / bump stock horses have already escaped the barn.

Stopping any more sales, production is useless, unless combined with regulating all that are already out there.

Gotta start somewhere. Stores coming out to self regulate because politicians won't do it.

[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

Gotta start somewhere. Stores coming out to self regulate because politicians won't do it.

How many 1000s, or 10,000s, of semi-automatic, high-capacity weapons are already out there and will be staying out there?

300M+ guns in USA, cops losing many 1000s of their own guns every year.

America's gun violence crisis will continue forever, America is a violence- and death-mongering culture, both domestically and internationally, as BigGun and its distribution network pays politicians to keep the profits rolling in.

BigGun is hurting now, but if the Dems overwhelm in Nov, and/or elect a Dem Pres in 2020 (who will confiscate all guns like Obama did), BigGun's crisis will end and Happy Days Are Here Again.

[CosmicCowboy]

Kids are dead and Chris got jokes.

Chump pretending to be solemn and retrospective will surely stop those dang school shootings.

[djohn2oo8]

Chump pretending to be solemn and retrospective will surely stop those dang school shootings.

CC a true role model and example of self righteousness after his negro hating rampage.

[Pavlov]

Chump pretending to be solemn and retrospective will surely stop those dang school shootings.

Peepaw doesn't give one dusty shit about dead kids.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC a true role model and example of self righteousness after his negro hating rampage.

Pure fantasy on your part, Tball.

[CosmicCowboy]

Peepaw doesn't give one dusty shit about dead kids.

I'm pretty sure I can't bring those kids back by being a sanctimonious bitch.

[Pavlov]

I'm pretty sure I can't bring those kids back by being a sanctimonious bitch.

No one said that's why you're a sanctimonious bitch.

[CosmicCowboy]

Kerp pretending you really care about those kids, chum.

[Pavlov]

Kerp pretending you really care about those kids, chum.Keep proving you don't, Peepaw.

[RandomGuy]

The idea of forcing teachers to handle weapons, issuing service pistols, deputizing them, or even sending them to training on the school district's dime are all stupid suggestions I've read multiple times.

That said, if teachers are already CCW holders and chose to carry on campus or have a firearm locked in a safe, I would have no issue with that. There are many many concealed weapon holders out in the public and they aren't getting into gun fights in the streets because they feel threatened. Most see it as an absolute last resort as well as a huge responsibility they are taking on.

Even with the guns in safes, you will add a LOT to the insurance costs of any district where it is official policy. Liability and health insurance costs, factors in the cost of running schools, the second of which is pretty huge in any budget, will go up.

Too much cost, not enough benefit for the risk. It is something that will provably make schools LESS safe.

Why bother?

[RandomGuy]

Kerp pretending you really care about those kids, chum.

Easy to disprove him.

Simply say that you think kids are more important than guns generally.

It isn't hard, and should be an easy statement for anybody with any morals to say, IMO. Otherwise, it is fair comment.

[djohn2oo8]

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[monosylab1k]

Chump pretending to be solemn and retrospective will surely stop those dang school shootings.

Yeah, he should reserve internet outrage for important shit like paying property tax on your lake house or how it’s unfair to be shamed for wiping your ass with gold infused toilet paper.

[Trill Clinton]

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lol

Lol

[boutons_deux]

Pennsylvania church to bless hundreds of AR-15s, so local schools must bus children to another site (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/27/1745184/-Pennsylvania-church-to-bless-hundreds-of-AR-15s-and-local-schools-must-bus-children-to-another-site)

The World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania, decided to hold a special kind of insane ceremony: they are blessing any and everyone’s AR-15s (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/24/1744603/-Rightwing-Literally-Worships-Their-Guns-PA-Church-to-Conduct-Blessing-Ceremony-for-AR-15s).

According to WFMZ TV (http://www.wfmz.com/news/poconos-coal/wallenpaupack-school-district-responds-to-nearby-church-ceremony-involving-ar-15-rifles/706952267)in Pennsylvania, this has unsurprisingly led nearby educators to feel unsafe.

While the church claims the event will be safe and secured, the Wallenpaupack Area School District is making some adjustments to keep students and staff far away from the ceremony.

The District sent a letter to parents of kids at the Wallenpaupack South Elementary School, which

sits just half of a mile away from the Sanctuary Church,

explaining students will spend the day Wednesday on the North Campus,

a safety precaution prompted by the planned marriage blessing ceremony where participants are expected to bring AR-15 rifles.


According to CBS News, the

religious group believes that the AR-15 rifle,

the same weapon used in numerous domestic terrorist murders,

is the perfect symbol of the “iron rod,” or

“iron scepter,” in Revelation 2:27 (http://biblehub.com/revelation/2-27.htm).

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/27/1745184/-Pennsylvania-church-to-bless-hundreds-of-AR-15s-and-local-schools-must-bus-children-to-another-site?detail=emaildkre

so-called Bible-humping Christians, esp the rural types, are FUCKING INSANE, a huge contribution as to why America is fucked and unfuckable. Newfoundland PA is deeply rural

[Pavlov]

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OK, now that students and teachers are potential threats, we must arm janitors and lunch ladies.

Maybe even the Mexican ones.

[boutons_deux]

NRA board member angrily decries survivors using the 'sympathy factor' of kids getting killed (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/27/1745180/-NRA-board-member-angrily-decries-survivors-using-the-sympathy-factor-of-kids-getting-killed)

NRA board member Charles Cotton jumped into the conversation, responding to users who are angry at the idea of gun reform happening while Donald Trump is in the Oval Office. Cotton was conceding the bump stocks ban may happen because “we’ve never had this level of opposition before, not ever.” (Insert clapping here.)

Cotton then went on to complain that gun reform advocates, many of whom are survivors of mass shootings, are “playing on the sympathy factor of kids getting killed.”

"I'm so sick of buzz phrases.

No one is "giving up" anything, but the reality is we could well see bump-stocks "taken away" because the votes are probably there.

Wake up people and see what's happening!!!!

Bloomberg and Hollywood are pouring money into this effort and the media is helping to the fullest extent.

We've never had this level of opposition before, not ever.

It's a campaign of lies and distortion,

but it's very well funded and they are playing on the sympathy factor of kids getting killed.

If you really want to make a difference, then start recruiting NRA members every single day.

The NRA better be 15 million strong soon, or this is only going to get worse."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/27/1745180/-NRA-board-member-angrily-decries-survivors-using-the-sympathy-factor-of-kids-getting-killed?detail=emaildkre

[RandomGuy]

It's a campaign of lies and distortion,

but it's very well funded

:cry someone else is buying politicians :cry

the problem isn't people's easy access to guns

it is the NRA's easy access to politicians

[Chris]

Hogg :tu


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[koriwhat]

Hogg :tu


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hogg, the good little actor just doing and saying what his handlers ask of him.

[Pavlov]

Hogg :tu


968885502710464513What is the evidence of 500,000 new members?

[Pavlov]

hogg, the good little actor just doing and saying what his handlers ask of him.Who are his handlers?

[koriwhat]

Who are his handlers?

here's a better question... do you ever just shut the fuck up?

[Chris]

hogg, the good little actor just doing and saying what his handlers ask of him.

Absolutely. Instant blue check mark by Twitter. He is the poster boy for their Socialist propaganda.

[Pavlov]

here's a better question... do you ever just shut the fuck up?You didn't answer the question.

You say he has multiple handlers.

Who are they?

[Chris]

You didn't answer the question.

You say he has multiple handlers.

Who are they?

You're convinced Hogg fires from the hip. Why?

[koriwhat]

i see pav hasn't learned anything since the last time he's questioned me. stop being overly demanding and self entitled. try a different approach and maybe i'll answer a question or two of yours. until then, be gone!

[clambake]

i'm curious about who the "handlers" are.

[Pavlov]

You're convinced Hogg fires from the hip. Why?I'm convinced he's just a well spoken kid who has a cause.

What is your evidence he's a crisis actor with handlers?

[RandomGuy]

What is the evidence of 500,000 new members?

None. That is part of how "liberals" are "educated" by conservatives. We get lied to and have to figure out how.

NRA doesn't release membership data.

[spurraider21]

Absolutely. Instant blue check mark by Twitter. He is the poster boy for their Socialist propaganda.
whats wrong with a blue check mark from twitter?

[Chris]

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Hogg also challenged Alex Jones to a debate and immediately backed out once it was accepted :lol

[Pavlov]

968752680276459520

Hogg also challenged Alex Jones to a debate and immediately backed out once it was accepted :lolIt doesn't take too much to verify an account. EducatingLiberals should educate himself on it.

[TSA]

here's a better question... do you ever just shut the fuck up?

:lol

[koriwhat]

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Hogg also challenged Alex Jones to a debate and immediately backed out once it was accepted :lol

as much as jones gets shit on he would lay a massive turd on hogg's head. hogg's cnn blooper's vid says it all. that kid is a pol pawn. hogg's making daddy, ex fbi, and mommy, cnn employee, so happy.

[Chris]

as much as jones gets shit on he would lay a massive turd on hogg's head. hogg's cnn blooper's vid says it all. that kid is a pol pawn. hogg's making daddy, ex fbi, and mommy, cnn employee, so happy.

He's also making lots of money. No wonder he doesn't want to go back to school.

[Chris]

Dumb

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[Chris]

So Spicy :lol

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[koriwhat]

Dumb

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i think 18 yrs olds are stupid but i also know that walmart isn't part of our gov and shouldn't dictate policy. with that said, doing what they are doing proves to me that walmart shouldn't be in the biz of selling firearms and ammunition altogether.

[Chris]

i think 18 yrs olds are stupid but i also know that walmart isn't part of our gov and shouldn't dictate policy. with that said, doing what they are doing proves to me that walmart shouldn't be in the biz of selling firearms and ammunition altogether.

It's really dumb considering we send our soldiers to war at the age of 18 and our kids to prison at the age of 17. Now they're saying these soldiers can't protect their homes until they are 21. Well at least if you're shopping at China-Mart. This is simply virtue signaling to the Left while taking a massive shit on the Right. It's incredibly dumb, and a typical knee jerk reaction.

[Blake]

Dumb

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Yeah they should instead lower it so that elementary kids can defend themselves

[spurraider21]

It's really dumb considering we send our soldiers to war at the age of 18 and our kids to prison at the age of 17. Now they're saying these soldiers can't protect their homes until they are 21. Well at least if you're shopping at China-Mart. This is simply virtue signaling to the Left while taking a massive shit on the Right. It's incredibly dumb, and a typical knee jerk reaction.
yeah. the left has always praised walmart :lol

[Spurminator]

Who knew some people were so emotionally connected to the ease of gun sales?

[Chris]

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[djohn2oo8]

i think 18 yrs olds are stupid but i also know that walmart isn't part of our gov and shouldn't dictate policy. with that said, doing what they are doing proves to me that walmart shouldn't be in the biz of selling firearms and ammunition altogether.

Lol they shouldn't dictate their own policy? Jesus :lol

[djohn2oo8]

I wonder what Chris and crew think about Trump saying "take the guns away"

[koriwhat]

Who knew some people were so emotionally connected to the ease of gun sales?

the ease... i can easily print one on my 3d printer. fuck walmart!

[koriwhat]

Lol they shouldn't dictate their own policy? Jesus :lol

then why aren't they selling alcohol and cigarettes to those above the age of 80? both kill way more than guns would ever dare to.

[koriwhat]

I wonder what Chris and crew think about Trump saying "take the guns away"

i think trumps a fucking idiot. stop taking away our fucking rights and claiming it's for our protection. more bigGov is never the solution.

[DMX7]

Dumb

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Trump said he supports raising the age limit to 21 for assault style rifles like the AR-15.

"Take the guns first, go through due process second." I'm beginning to love this guy! :lol

[monosylab1k]

as much as jones gets shit on he would lay a massive turd on hogg's head. hogg's cnn blooper's vid says it all. that kid is a pol pawn. hogg's making daddy, ex fbi, and mommy, cnn employee, so happy.

:lmao Alex Jones is busy cleaning turds of his own. Hogg wins by default.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alex-jones-accused-of-sexual-harassment-bullying-at-infowars

[Chris]

:lmao Alex Jones is busy cleaning turds of his own. Hogg wins by default.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alex-jones-accused-of-sexual-harassment-bullying-at-infowars

Sounds like Hoggwash to me.

[Chris]

I wonder what Chris and crew think about Trump saying "take the guns away"

He was talking about mentally ill people. Guess that went well over your head.