School shooting: Parkland, Florida

[Pavlov]

He was talking about mentally ill people. Guess that went well over your head.But he used an executive order to make it easier for mentally ill people to get guns.

You guys need to pick a lane.

[monosylab1k]

He was talking about mentally ill people. Guess that went well over your head.

The 2nd Amendment doesn’t apply to the mentally ill? Communist!

[DMC]

But he used an executive order to make it easier for mentally ill people to get guns.

You guys need to pick a lane.

More hyperbole

Specifically, what Obama did was order to Social Security Administration to take the list of people who were deemed so severely mentally ill that they are unfit to handle their own disability benefits and forward it to the FBI. The FBI was then supposed to incorporate that list in the background checks used to disqualify people from gun ownership. Trump's action basically shit canned all of that, but it had nothing to do with people like the Florida shooter or anyone else who's committed a mass shooting in the past 30 years.

[Pavlov]

More hyperbole

Specifically, what Obama did was order to Social Security Administration to take the list of people who were deemed so severely mentally ill that they are unfit to handle their own disability benefits and forward it to the FBI. The FBI was then supposed to incorporate that list in the background checks used to disqualify people from gun ownership. Trump's action basically shit canned all of that, but it had nothing to do with people like the Florida shooter or anyone else who's committed a mass shooting in the past 30 years.So Trump should just let people take pictures of his signature on the executive order.

Why doesn't he?

[Chris]

So Trump should just let people take pictures of his signature on the executive order.

Why doesn't he?

I think you just doubled downed on that hyperbole thingy.

[DMC]

So Trump should just let people take pictures of his signature on the executive order.

Why doesn't he?

Anytime you start your response with "so", it's almost a certainty that hyperbole, a red herring or a goalpost move is to soon follow. That's a high percentage of the time.

[Pavlov]

I think you just doubled downed on that hyperbole thingy.


Anytime you start your response with "so", it's almost a certainty that hyperbole, a red herring or a goalpost move is to soon follow. That's a high percentage of the time.Yeah, you guys should check up on that Executive Order.

"We don't plan to release the picture at this time."

lol

[DMC]

Yeah, you guys should check up on that Executive Order.

"We don't plan to release the picture at this time."

lol
That was another time and another place. I know you want to control the direction of every discussion, but try to stick to the topic.

[Pavlov]

That was another time and another place. I know you want to control the direction of every discussion, but try to stick to the topic.Two weeks ago?

lol forum cop

[DMC]

Two weeks ago?

lol forum cop

No cop, just being neighborly.

[Pavlov]

No cop, just being neighborly.You're just trying hard to control the direction of the discussion.

[Chris]

whats wrong with a blue check mark from twitter?


It doesn't take too much to verify an account. EducatingLiberals should educate himself on it.

WEIRD: Twitter has yet to verify Parkland survivor who supports #2A and blames @BrowardSheriff, FBI for inaction


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/25/weird-twitter-has-yet-to-verify-parkland-survivor-who-supports-2a-and-blames-browardsheriff-fbi-for-inaction/

[monosylab1k]

WEIRD: Twitter has yet to verify Parkland survivor who supports #2A and blames @BrowardSheriff, FBI for inaction


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/25/weird-twitter-has-yet-to-verify-parkland-survivor-who-supports-2a-and-blames-browardsheriff-fbi-for-inaction/

LOL Blue Lives Matter! unless they come for muh guns

[Pavlov]

WEIRD: Twitter has yet to verify Parkland survivor who supports #2A and blames @BrowardSheriff, FBI for inaction


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/25/weird-twitter-has-yet-to-verify-parkland-survivor-who-supports-2a-and-blames-browardsheriff-fbi-for-inaction/Yeah, it's totally discrimination.

twitter spent all its time reading all the tweets and making their decisions that way.

This is what you think?

lol

[RandomGuy]

It's really dumb considering we send our soldiers to war at the age of 18 and our kids to prison at the age of 17. Now they're saying these soldiers can't protect their homes until they are 21. Well at least if you're shopping at China-Mart. This is simply virtue signaling to the Left while taking a massive shit on the Right. It's incredibly dumb, and a typical knee jerk reaction.

Let this sink in:

The children who survived a mass shooting last week are getting death threats from NRA supporters.

[RandomGuy]

Anytime you start your response with "so", it's almost a certainty that hyperbole, a red herring or a goalpost move is to soon follow. That's a high percentage of the time.

Anytime you start your response with "anytime", its almost a certainty that distortion, ad hominem, or deflections follow.

[spurraider21]

WEIRD: Twitter has yet to verify Parkland survivor who supports #2A and blames @BrowardSheriff, FBI for inaction


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/25/weird-twitter-has-yet-to-verify-parkland-survivor-who-supports-2a-and-blames-browardsheriff-fbi-for-inaction/
:cry guy with 58k followers not getting treated the same as guy with 400k followers

[RandomGuy]

How Parkland Students Changed the Gun Debate
Possessed of that blend of innocence and savvy peculiar to teenagers, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas survivors indeed have emerged as a rare, perhaps even unique, voice in the dispute over guns.

The email that landed in my inbox Thursday morning from Sabrina Fernandez was brief, polite, and painful.


Hi Ms. Cottle,

I’ve just been back to back funerals which is why I haven’t been able to get back to you. Is there any way I can answer all your questions via email by tonight or do you need it immediately?

Eighteen-year-old Fernandez is the student-body president of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Parkland, Florida. She lives next door to my oldest friend and had graciously agreed to share insights on how she and her classmates are weathering the aftermath of the February 14 mass shooting—especially amid the national frenzy surrounding the #NeverAgain movement that some of the survivors launched to push for gun-law reform.


It’s hard not to be awed by the Stoneman Douglas students. They have been through a trauma that would leave most adults curled in a prenatal pretzel under the bed. But these teens have elbowed their way into one of this nation’s most vicious policy debates, demanding to have their say. As Emma Gonzalez, a Stoneman Douglas senior, explained at a rally last Saturday: “Every single person up here today, all these people should be home grieving. But instead we are up here standing together, because if all our government and president can do is send thoughts and prayers, then it’s time for victims to be the change that we need to see.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/parkland-students-power/554399/?utm_source=atlfb
-----------------------------


+1

These kids are awesome.


Fernandez’s week had been exactly as rough as you would imagine. Just eight days earlier, 17 of her classmates and teachers had been gunned down. That makes for an awful lot of funerals to attend, an awful lot of friends (and parents) to comfort, an awful lot of grieving to endure. Still, she didn’t want me to think she was ignoring me—or that she didn’t have anything to say.

[boutons_deux]

How many NRA whores in Congress will Stoneman Douglas kids vote out of office? or even NRA whores in FL legislature?

That's all that counts towards implementing Federal gun regulations.

========

Black school students in Missouri walked out Tuesday in protest of school slaughters and gun insanity, were then locked out, and denied school bus rides home.

Missouri racists don't Compromise

[RandomGuy]

[tweet tweet]
[tweet tweet]

Personally I loved it when Obama said:

"We are going to take the firearms first, and then go to court. I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first. Go through due process, second."


What do you think?

[Chris]

Personally I loved it when Obama said:

"We are going to take the firearms first, and then go to court. I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first. Go through due process, second."


What do you think?

He was talking about mentally ill people - much like yourself.

[RandomGuy]

He was talking about mentally ill people - much like yourself.

We just learned that the school shooter carved swastikas into his gun magazines. And he hated Jews, African Americans, and immigrants. Can we talk about this?

[Pavlov]

He was talking about mentally ill people - much like yourself.How do you know they're mentally ill without due process, Chris?

Explain how this works.

[RandomGuy]

He was talking about mentally ill people - much like yourself.

So you're cool with a Democrat being able to take guns from someone without any due process?

[Chris]

explain this shit

969301114607648768

[Blake]

explain this shit

969301114607648768

Without looking I bet it's easily explainable.

I bet you are too lazy to research it.

I bet someone else will.

I bet you will have egg on your face again.

I bet you will ignore the egg and move on to the next memetweet

[spurraider21]

explain this shit

969301114607648768
:lol

the best explanation is that you are stupid

[Chris]

Without looking

Dumb.

You never explain anything, it's no wonder you're already asking for help.

[Chris]

:lol

the best explanation is that you are stupid

This is your white flag.

[spurraider21]

This is your white flag.
there's really no other way around this.

how does that video prove that he is 25 and from CA? because you hear a voice on the video that says it?

[Chris]

there's really no other way around this.

I know. It's all right there - video proof and smoking gun in hand.


how does that video prove that he is 25 and from CA? because you hear a voice on the video that says it?

I was asking for an explanation, not a short quiz.

[Blake]

Dumb.

You never explain anything, it's no wonder you're already asking for help.

:lol you're the one begging for the explanation, retard.

[Blake]

I know. It's all right there - video proof and smoking gun in hand.



I was asking for an explanation, not a short quiz.

Lol proof

[spurraider21]

I know. It's all right there - video proof and smoking gun in hand.

I was asking for an explanation, not a short quiz.
first off i will apologize. i said the explanation is that you are stupid. that was harsh.

what i mean to say is "the explanation is that you are incredibly gullible and lack critical thinking skills"

a) it seems blatantly sarcstic
b) even if it isn't sarcasm, a kid claiming "he's a 25 year old crisis actor" isn't proof that he's a 25 year old crisis actor. its just a kid talking
c) how do you know this is "an old video that has resurfaced"... because the tweet says so? maybe it was recorded yesterday

:lmao "proof and smoking gun"

[spurraider21]

first you thought the shooter was some other kid, based on a picture THAT LOOKED NOTHING LIKE HIM and you said "we have a match" :lmao

now this witness is a 25 year old californian crisis actor

everything's always a conspiracy

[RandomGuy]

explain this shit


So you're cool with a Democrat being able to take guns from someone without any due process?

[boutons_deux]

Killing by the Numbers: How Much More to Follow?

On February 14th, 17 people were killed and more than 15 injured at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL. It is considered the nation’s biggest school shooting, but far from the only one.

Since January 1, 2018, 17 additional shootings have taken place in or around a U.S. school.

They’ve taken place in Nashville, TN (Feb. 9), New York, NY (Feb. 8), Oxon Hill, MD (Feb 5), Maplewood, MN (Feb. 5), Los Angeles, CA (Feb 1), Philadelphia, PA (Jan. 31), Dearborn, MI (Jan. 26), Mobile, AL (Jan. 25), Benton, KY (Jan. 23), Italy, TX (Jan. 22), Gentilly, LA (Jan. 22), Winston Salem, NC (Jan. 20), Marshall, TX (Jan. 15), San Bernardino, CA (Jan. 10), Denison, TX (Jan. 10), Sierra Vista, AZ (Jan. 10) and Seattle, WA (Jan. 4).

More disturbing, since the Columbine High School, in Columbine, CO, massacre in 1999 (where 13 people were killed and 24 wounded), there have been 10 school shootings in which four or more people were killed, including the death or suicide of the perpetrators, and these mass shootings have resulted in 122 fatalities.

However, the New York Times reports that since the 2012 Sandy Hook school in Newtown, CT, where 26 people (20 students and six adults) were killed, at least 239 school shootings have taken place nationwide and 438 people were shot.

Adding to this picture, the Gun Violence Archive (http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/) reports that 429 teenagers and 86 younger children have been killed in shooting in 2018.

Sadly, school shootings are just one example of the numerous types of shootings that define everyday American life. Among other types are political killings, murders, domestic violence killings, “mass” shootings, “lone wolf” terrorist acts and killings by police of citizens. Often forgotten, as shootings have increased, the violent crime rate has fallen.

Pew Research notes (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/): “Using the FBI numbers, the violent crime rate fell 48% between 1993 and 2016.

Using the BJS data, the rate fell 74% during that span.”

But shootings keep going up and up and up.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/01/killing-by-the-numbers-how-much-more-to-follow/print/

[RandomGuy]

We just learned that the school shooter carved swastikas into his gun magazines. And he hated Jews, African Americans, and immigrants. Can we talk about this?


This is your white flag.

Speaking of white things.

[SpursforSix]

Killing by the Numbers: How Much More to Follow?

On February 14th, 17 people were killed and more than 15 injured at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL. It is considered the nation’s biggest school shooting, but far from the only one.

Since January 1, 2018, 17 additional shootings have taken place in or around a U.S. school.

They’ve taken place in Nashville, TN (Feb. 9), New York, NY (Feb. 8), Oxon Hill, MD (Feb 5), Maplewood, MN (Feb. 5), Los Angeles, CA (Feb 1), Philadelphia, PA (Jan. 31), Dearborn, MI (Jan. 26), Mobile, AL (Jan. 25), Benton, KY (Jan. 23), Italy, TX (Jan. 22), Gentilly, LA (Jan. 22), Winston Salem, NC (Jan. 20), Marshall, TX (Jan. 15), San Bernardino, CA (Jan. 10), Denison, TX (Jan. 10), Sierra Vista, AZ (Jan. 10) and Seattle, WA (Jan. 4).

More disturbing, since the Columbine High School, in Columbine, CO, massacre in 1999 (where 13 people were killed and 24 wounded), there have been 10 school shootings in which four or more people were killed, including the death or suicide of the perpetrators, and these mass shootings have resulted in 122 fatalities.

However, the New York Times reports that since the 2012 Sandy Hook school in Newtown, CT, where 26 people (20 students and six adults) were killed, at least 239 school shootings have taken place nationwide and 438 people were shot.

Adding to this picture, the Gun Violence Archive (http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/) reports that 429 teenagers and 86 younger children have been killed in shooting in 2018.

Sadly, school shootings are just one example of the numerous types of shootings that define everyday American life. Among other types are political killings, murders, domestic violence killings, “mass” shootings, “lone wolf” terrorist acts and killings by police of citizens. Often forgotten, as shootings have increased, the violent crime rate has fallen.

Pew Research notes (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/): “Using the FBI numbers, the violent crime rate fell 48% between 1993 and 2016.

Using the BJS data, the rate fell 74% during that span.”

But shootings keep going up and up and up.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/01/killing-by-the-numbers-how-much-more-to-follow/print/

Schools are safer than they were in the 90s, and school shootings are not more common than they used to be, researchers say


http://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/27/schools-safer-today-1990s-study-shootings-says/

[spurraider21]

Schools are safer than they were in the 90s, and school shootings are not more common than they used to be, researchers say


http://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/27/schools-safer-today-1990s-study-shootings-says/
fake news, fake polls

[SpursforSix]

fake news, fake polls

I don't know. I didn't read it. But I looked at the graphics for a sec.

[clambake]

I don't know. I didn't read it. But I looked at the graphics for a sec.

lol

[spurraider21]

I don't know. I didn't read it. But I looked at the graphics for a sec.
i was jokin around

[koriwhat]

first off i will apologize. i said the explanation is that you are stupid. that was harsh.

what i mean to say is "the explanation is that you are incredibly gullible and lack critical thinking skills"

a) it seems blatantly sarcstic
b) even if it isn't sarcasm, a kid claiming "he's a 25 year old crisis actor" isn't proof that he's a 25 year old crisis actor. its just a kid talking
c) how do you know this is "an old video that has resurfaced"... because the tweet says so? maybe it was recorded yesterday

:lmao "proof and smoking gun"

i literally just saw that video right now but you dismiss everything from the get go? why are you so hard up to commit to the MSM, and bigGov's narrative? what stake do you have in the cover up exactly?

ps: i believe it's a tongue in cheek jab at jones and the like though. however, i do believe hogg isn't who he is portraying himself as.

[SpursforSix]

i was jokin around

I think I knew that.

[Chris]

i literally just saw that video right now but you dismiss everything from the get go? why are you so hard up to commit to the MSM, and bigGov's narrative? what stake do you have in the cover up exactly?

That cognitive dissonance thingy tbh

[spurraider21]

i literally just saw that video right now but you dismiss everything from the get go?
i dismiss it because:

a) it sounds sarcastic
b) even if it isn't sarcastic, a video with a kid saying something doesn't mean what the kid is saying is true
c) whoever took this video has had every opportunity to tell the news that this guy is in fact a 25 year old crisis actor. if you haven't realized, just about all these kids have talked to the media


why are you so hard up to commit to the MSM, and bigGov's narrative? what stake do you have in the cover up exactly?
what narrative? that a kid from the high school is in fact a kid from that high school? because its the simplest and most rational explanation with no good evidence to make me think otherwise


ps: i believe it's a tongue in cheek jab at jones and the like though.
great


however, i do believe hogg isn't who he is portraying himself as.
explain what specifically makes you believe he isn't a florida high school student teenager

[Blake]

We just learned that the school shooter carved swastikas into his gun magazines. And he hated Jews, African Americans, and immigrants. Can we talk about this?



Speaking of white things.

That just means he was a mental case

[SpursforSix]

explain what specifically makes you believe he isn't a florida high school student teenager

Didn't you pay attention to the video?

[Chris]

Didn't you pay attention to the video?

He dismissed it. Case closed.

[Blake]

That cognitive dissonance thingy tbh

Det gullible fall for every conspiracy thingy

[Blake]

He dismissed it. Case closed.

Chris would rather believe a conspiracy tweet than a standard news outlet thingy.

Kw too.

[Blake]

explain what specifically makes you believe he isn't a florida high school student teenager

Because mysterious tweet said so

Only thing missing is eery background music

[Chris]

Chris would rather believe a conspiracy tweet than a standard news outlet thingy.

Kw too.

Blake believes all standard news outlets. :lol

[Chucho]

Chris would rather believe a conspiracy tweet than a standard news outlet thingy.

Kw too.

djohn too.

[Blake]

Blake believes all standard news outlets. :lol

Chris doesn't believe any of them. Obscure tweets with 5 second video clips are his choice for truth.

[koriwhat]

Blake believes all standard news outlets. :lol

lol for real!

[RandomGuy]

Blake believes all standard news outlets. :lol

Chris believes all tweets

A twitophile if you will. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Permit for 500,000 student rally to end gun violence denied in favor of an unrelated 'talent show' (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/1/1745732/-Permit-for-500-000-student-rally-in-D-C-denied-in-favor-of-an-unrelated-talent-show)

The planned student march in D.C. on March 24 has hit a snag.

After attracting funding from celebrities to cover the expenses, the students thought it was a “go.”

Unfortunately, the National Park Service just denied their permit. From the Washington Post: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/march-for-our-lives-gun-control-rally-bumped-from-mall-by-talent-show/2018/03/01/ad8c7268-1cc6-11e8-9496-c89dc446c2d3_story.html?utm_term=.113f13141271)


A planned rally against mass shootings can’t be held on the Mall later this month because it conflicts with what’s described in a National Park Service permit application as a “talent show.”

A permit application filed last week by survivors of the Parkland, Fla., school massacre indicated the “March For Our Lives” rally will be on March 24, with up to 500,000 attendees expected.

Mike Litterst, a spokesman for the Park Service, said organizers proposed holding the event on the Mall but were looking to move the rally to another location after

the request conflicted with a film crew’s permit. :lol
Litterst said the

film permit was “from a student group at a local educational institution,”

but he wouldn’t name the institution because “applications from educational institutions are withheld from release for privacy reasons,” he wrote in an email.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/1/1745732/-Permit-for-500-000-student-rally-in-D-C-denied-in-favor-of-an-unrelated-talent-show?detail=emaildkre



How can a permit for an event on Federal property not be a public document?

[boutons_deux]

‘It’s going to be so much fun:’ 13-year-old who shot himself in Ohio had ‘8 point plan’ to massacre classmates

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/KeithSimons-800x430.jpg

Chilling new details have emerged regarding the suicide of Keith Simons, 13, a boy who shot himself inside an Ohio middle school last week.Simons came to school with a .22 rifle and about 80 rounds of ammunition on February 20.

According to a new report in the Akron Beacon Journal (https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/local/death-of-13-year-old-who-shot-himself-at-jackson-middle-school-ruled-a-suicide), he hid the rifle in the leg of his pants and rode the bus to school.



On his phone, he had an eight-point memo discussing his plan.

“When they interview my parents and ask how they didn’t see the signs, they should know it’s not them, it’s me and

it’s because of how I see the world,” he wrote.

“I’d hurt and destroy something bigger but my school’s an easy target.”

The boy had been inspired by the 1999 Columbine shooting,

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/going-much-fun-13-year-old-shot-ohio-8-point-plan-massacre-classmates/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Columbine gun massacre was several years before this kid was born.

[Pavlov]

The boy had been inspired by the 1999 Columbine shooting

So to stop school shootings, we should stop school shootings.

Maybe have a ratings system for them.

[Chris]

969696988739510272

[Blake]

Chris needs high capacity mags

Because Jesus

[monosylab1k]

969696988739510272

:lol arbitrary distances, people with years of experience reloading on the fly, and some old fat shit trying to close the gap :lol what a scientifically accurate demonstration.

Also, 8<17

[Chris]

Delta in full panic mode :lol


969665036120723456

[Chris]

969705113622282240

[Pavlov]

Delta in full panic mode :lol


969665036120723456Using government to punish private companies good now.

[Chris]

Using government to punish private companies good now.

Your bullshit backfired :lol America is waking up.

[Pavlov]

Your bullshit backfired :lol America is waking up.:lol My bullshit?

Explain, Chris.

[Blake]

Delta in full panic mode :lol


969665036120723456

$40 million.

And Delta said they've had all of 13 people ever use the NRA discount. Not a very well thought out strategy by delta.

[Blake]

Your bullshit backfired :lol America is waking up.

The government is punishing Delta for attempting to take a neutral stance. It's a bullshit move by Georgia politicians

[Chris]

969647940691218432
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXTnKzmX0AATqj_.jpg:large

[SnakeBoy]

969647940691218432
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXTnKzmX0AATqj_.jpg:large


DNC needs all the help they can get tbh

[Chris]

Told ya.


969742115029835783

[rmt]

The government is punishing Delta for attempting to take a neutral stance. It's a bullshit move by Georgia politicians

I don't agree with the government taking sides - that should be up to the consumers/customers. But Delta is not taking a neutral stance. Which other large organization did they withdraw their group discount from? Are they withdrawing any discount from Broward police dept or FBI when they are the ones who caused this guy not to be tagged as mentally unstable?

[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXVFXQTU8AAAPuf.jpg:large

[spurraider21]

:lol

[rmt]

Laugh all you want. These companies are bowing to the loudest voices.

I've been at work for 8 months now, and I take back what I said earlier about how Democratic this place is - it's just the loudest voices one hears at first. But after being here awhile, you notice the ones who don't join in on the Trump pile ons, the ones who say they don't discuss politics at work, the ones like me who appear neutral and don't join in on the gun control (I would say debate but it isn't a debate if one side drowns out the other). The worst is the arrogance of the left which thinks that others can't have opinions different from theirs - and really, intelligent people (which they are) should be able to connect the dots - a Christian, home schooler, stay-at-home mom with a hall closet full of guns.

[Blake]

But Delta is not taking a neutral stance. Which other large organization did they withdraw their group discount from?

Yes, they're reverting back to the neutral stance. They aren't charging extra for NRA members.

[Blake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXVFXQTU8AAAPuf.jpg:large

How many were Christians

[spurraider21]

the virginia tech shooter was a registered democrat? news to me, tbh. link?

[Spurminator]

I don't agree with the government taking sides - that should be up to the consumers/customers. But Delta is not taking a neutral stance. Which other large organization did they withdraw their group discount from? Are they withdrawing any discount from Broward police dept or FBI when they are the ones who caused this guy not to be tagged as mentally unstable?

Unless they are currently offering discounts to Moms Demand Action or some anti-gun lobby, your comparison is asinine. No airline offers discounts to a specific county's police department. :lol

[Pavlov]

Snowflake Republicans retaliating over an affinity program.

https://i.imgur.com/zq6gV.gif

[monosylab1k]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXVFXQTU8AAAPuf.jpg:large

:lmao snopes shitting on triggered conservatards again.

https://www.snopes.com/democrat-shooters-list/

[Blake]

In b4 "but but snopes is a libtard biased site"

[monosylab1k]

Sandy Hook shooter confirmed not a Dem, but also confirmed ties to the NRA :lmao

[Pavlov]

:lmao snopes shitting on triggered conservatards again.

https://www.snopes.com/democrat-shooters-list/Now they'll get mad that he was fact checked.

[Blake]

Or ignore the egg on face altogether and move on to the next memetweet

[Chris]

Sandy Hook shooter confirmed not a Dem, but also confirmed ties to the NRA :lmao

lol MRA

[Blake]

lol MRA

Lol Chris trying to scrap for meaningless points

[spurraider21]

:lol "fact check me"

[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXZT--mUMAAPJ81.jpg:large

[spurraider21]

i feel like norway MAY be skewed by 1 incident

[ElNono]

i feel like norway MAY be skewed by 1 incident

also, det "Per Million People" note... :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

also, det "Per Million People" note... :lol

Although the meme is kind of pointless can you suggest a better metric?

[Pavlov]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXZT--mUMAAPJ81.jpg:largeSo, let's do nothing.

Everything's fine!

Also, get more immigrants from Norway!

Because murders!

[ElNono]

Although the meme is kind of pointless can you suggest a better metric?

Sure, total deaths. After all, every one of them is important, right?

I mean, Japan pretty much beats the shit out of anybody in this area, no matter the metric... and they're a country with 127 million people...

[Pavlov]

Sure, total deaths. After all, every one of them is important, right?

I mean, Japan pretty much beats the shit out of anybody in this area, no matter the metric... and they're a country with 127 million people...THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE ALL ASIANS.

[Spurminator]

The number of deaths in a single mass shooting will, by nature, be similar regardless of where it happens. Using deaths-per-capita in mass shooting as a measure is like saying a nuclear bomb is more dangerous in Omaha than in Los Angeles because it would kill a larger percent of the population in Omaha.

Number of mass shootings per capita is a much better metric. Of course, regular Fox News viewers are unlikely to understand the difference.

[Xevious]

Sure, total deaths. After all, every one of them is important, right?

I mean, Japan pretty much beats the shit out of anybody in this area, no matter the metric... and they're a country with 127 million people...
And they play way more fucking video games than we do.

[ElNono]

The number of deaths in a single mass shooting will, by nature, be similar regardless of where it happens. Using deaths-per-capita in mass shooting as a measure is like saying a nuclear bomb is more dangerous in Omaha than in Los Angeles because it would kill a larger percent of the population in Omaha.

Number of mass shootings per capita is a much better metric. Of course, regular Fox News viewers are unlikely to understand the difference.

The reason IMVHO total deaths make more sense is that a lot of this stuff has other variables, such as accessibility to guns (which in turn affects other factors such as price per gun/ammo, the cost needed to plan/carry such an attack), size of the country (poor people in remote areas might find it more difficult to pull this off, likely to shoot a neighbor and kill themselves), and taking your own example, are lives in Omaha more or less important than lives in LA? Stats make sense in context, IMO, when the context is death innocent people, you gotta take that into consideration.

[Chris]

WATCH: Speech on Guns by Virginia Senate Candidate Causes Democrat Walk-Out, Goes Massively Viral Online



A Speech by Virginia Delegate Nick Freitas, the liberty-minded conservative who is challenging Senator Tim Kaine, discussing the importance of the Second Amendment has been viewed over five million times in the past 24 hours.

Friday’s speech by Freitas before the Virginia House of Delegates lead to many Democrats actually walking out and demanding a recess so that they could calm down because they were so outraged.


The Washington Post reports that after Democrats settled down, Del. Joseph Lindsey (D-Norfolk) told the House that “today, I have been offended as I can never recall since being a part of this body. And I have seen many of my colleagues emotionally shaken and bothered by either a lack of concern for facts or just simply playing to the cameras, I don’t know which.”

In the speech, Freitas discussed societal issues that may have lead to an uptick in mass shootings.

“So, over the last several days, Mr. Speaker, there’s been a lot of discussion about an open and honest debate with respect to school shootings, gun violence, gun control, etc…and an open and honest debate as I understand it, is one that would rely on data, facts, evidence, analysis, reason, logic, etcetera, etcetera… and I’m certainly willing to have that deate,” Freitas began. “I think if we were going to look seriously at school shootings and gun control, we would analyze things like: Why do all mass shootings seem to take place in gun free zones? Wouldn’t it be reasonable to test whether or not the efficacy of gun-free zones have actually achieved what they’re intended intent is?”

Freitas brought up the fact that most mass shooters come from broken homes — and pointed out some of the government policies that have encouraged the breakdown of traditional families.

“We would start to look at…most of the shooters come from broken homes. What sort of government policies have actually encouraged broken homes? You can look at Left-leaning think tanks like the Brookings Institute, that will actually say that some of it can be attributed to various cultural change that happened in the 60’s to include the abortion industry,” Freitas said. “You can look at a more conservative-leaning organizations that will say that the welfare state contributes significantly to dismantling the family as families became more and more dependent upon the government than they were mothers and fathers in the home raising children.”

The senate candidate also discussed how areas like Chicago, New York and Washington, DC have strict gun laws, and yet, the gun violence hasn’t stopped.

Freitas also laid into the Democrats for claiming they only want to get rid of bump stocks and impose background checks.

“If you’re wanting the other reason why we can’t have an honest debate about this one is because, quite frankly, I don’t think any of us, on this side of the aisle, believe you when you say that’s all you want to do. It will be bump stocks, it will be background checks, it will be a different kind of background checks that register the guns… Then, after that, it will be ‘We need to ban assault weapons.’ ‘What’s an assault weapon?’ ‘Something that looks scary,’” Freitas asserted. “Then after that it will be semi-automatic rifles, then it will be semi-automatic hand guns. Then it will be revolvers, shotguns… because when the policies fail to produce the results you were promising your constituents, you will be back with more reasons for why we’ve got to infringe on Second Amendment rights.”

Freitas point was that the Democrats refuse to consider other options to end societal violence that do not consist of “tearing apart or gutting the Second Amendment.”

Freitas served with the 82nd Airborne Division and 25th Light Infantry Division as an Infantryman. Following the terror attack on September 11 2001, Nick volunteered for US Army Special Forces (Green Berets) and eventually served 2 tours in Iraq as a Special Forces Weapons Sergeant and Special Forces Intelligence Sergeant.

After being honorably discharged in 2009, Freitas became the Director of Operations for a disabled veteran owned company that provides direct support to our service men and women conducting counter insurgency and counter IED operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“I’ve proven both on the battlefield overseas and on the battlefield of ideas, I am willing to stand by what I believe in and fight for it,” Freitas previously told the Gateway Pundit.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/watch-speech-guns-virginia-senate-candidate-causes-democrat-walk-goes-massively-viral-online/

[DMC]

The number of deaths in a single mass shooting will, by nature, be similar regardless of where it happens. Using deaths-per-capita in mass shooting as a measure is like saying a nuclear bomb is more dangerous in Omaha than in Los Angeles because it would kill a larger percent of the population in Omaha.

Number of mass shootings per capita is a much better metric. Of course, regular Fox News viewers are unlikely to understand the difference.

The number of nuclear bombs per capita is a better metric even if they are all in the exact same spot?

If you have a town of 250K and over the course of 10 years you have 20 mass shooters who kill 4 people each, vs 1 mass shooter who kills 80 people, the 2nd one is better because per capita there's only one shooter vs 20.

[DMC]

So, let's do nothing.

Everything's fine!

Also, get more immigrants from Norway!

Because murders!
:lol

[RandomGuy]

How many were Christians

Almost none of those on his list were actually Democrats.

[RandomGuy]

So, let's do nothing.

Everything's fine!

Also, get more immigrants from Norway!

Because murders!

Norway had ONE mass shooting, and it was pretty bad. This is known in statistics as an outlier.

The given graphic was simply cherry picking by picking the ONE year where that happened, and presenting it as representative of Norway's average murder rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

[RandomGuy]

Data, when we can get it shows a pretty suggestive correlation between fewer guns and fewer shootings.

Gun manufacturers have shut down research in that area for some reason.

We need to get past the narrow financial interests and do actual science. Data would be better, so we can made good decisions.

[RandomGuy]

LOL "Crime Prevention Research Center"

Wow, talk about dishonest presentation of data.

[RandomGuy]

As soon as the first N.R.A. A-rated congressman loses an election, other politicians’ deeply held convictions about Second Amendment rights will start rapidly evolving.

The students of Parkland are like veterans coming home from the bloody front of the N.R.A.’s de facto war on children. They’ve seen their friends, teachers and coaches gunned down in the halls. To them, powerful Washington lobbyists and United States senators suddenly look like what they are: cheesy TV spokesmodels for murder weapons.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yawn. Till the next "big" news.

[Pavlov]

Yawn. Till the next "big" news.Dead kids get yawns from CC.

[CosmicCowboy]

Dead kids get yawns from CC.

Nothing personal, chum. How mant times have we seen it before? Give it three months and it will be Parkland who? Is what it is.

[Pavlov]

Nothing personal, chum. How mant times have we seen it before? Give it three months and it will be Parkland who? Is what it is.Ho-hum, more dead kids. Boring!

[CosmicCowboy]

Is what it is. At least they will sacrifice those bump stocks.

[Pavlov]

Is what it is. At least they will sacrifice those bump stocks.Sorry those dead kids bored you, CC. Maybe someone will find a way to kill kids that will excite you again.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sorry those dead kids bored you, CC. Maybe someone will find a way to kill kids that will excite you again.

Way to straw man it chum. As usual you are too dense to get the point that nothing will change.

[Pavlov]

Way to straw man it chum. As usual you are too dense to get the point that nothing will change.Dead kids bore you and you wanted everyone to know they bore you. That kind of makes you a piece of shit. And nothing about that will change.

[CosmicCowboy]

They arent going to confiscate millions of existing AR-15s no matter how much those kids skip school.

[CosmicCowboy]

Dead kids bore you and you wanted everyone to know they bore you. That kind of makes you a piece of shit. And nothing about that will change.

Thats your straw man chump. I was referring to the new high school "activists".

[Pavlov]

They arent going to confiscate millions of existing AR-15s no matter how much those kids skip school.Your straw men bore me.

[Blake]

They arent going to confiscate millions of existing AR-15s no matter how much those kids skip school.

You chide pav for using a strawman he didn't use by following it up with a textbook strawman.

If you don't understand how a strawman works, just ask. It would be less embarrassing, tbh.

[CosmicCowboy]

You chide pav for using a strawman he didn't use by following it up with a textbook strawman.

If you don't understand how a strawman works, just ask. It would be less embarrassing, tbh.

Suck a dick, cuckboy.

Chump tried to twist the fact that I said nothing would change because of the parkland "activists" into "you dont care about dead kids"

It was a classic strawman but you are just too fucking stupid to see it.

[RandomGuy]

Nothing personal, chum. How mant times have we seen it before? Give it three months and it will be Parkland who? Is what it is.

Dunno.

Those kids aren't going away. They are going to graduate. They are pissed.

Columbine pre-dates social media.

This feels different, but a bet on indifference is always a good one.
.

[boutons_deux]

To repeat, the "kids" won't, can't outbid BigGun/NRA (or ANY of the oligarchy) in the purchase of legislators and judges.

[Blake]

Suck a dick, cuckboy.

Chump tried to twist the fact that I said nothing would change because of the parkland "activists" into "you dont care about dead kids"

It was a classic strawman but you are just too fucking stupid to see it.

Fascinating. So how would you categorize your strawman?

[CosmicCowboy]

Fascinating. So how would you categorize your strawman?

It was a statement of fact, cuck. It wasnt attached to or responding directly to chump.

It was sweet of the tball bench warmer to try to pinch hit for chump, though.

[boutons_deux]

a bet on indifference is always a good one.

The safest bet is that NRA/BigGun will block any legislation, will target any legislator or elected judge that dares be anti-gun, and it's all for BigGun profits, not for "freedom" or "2nd Amendment"

No new gun regs, if ever passed, will make any difference that will reduce the American gun slaughter. (Gun) violence is what makes America America, domestically or overseas.

[Blake]

It was a statement of fact, cuck. It wasnt attached to or responding directly to chump.

It was sweet of the tball bench warmer to try to pinch hit for chump, though.

Who was making the argument that ar15s were going to be confiscated, you stupid geritol chugging plastic hip old fuck

[CosmicCowboy]

Who was making the argument that ar15s were going to be confiscated, you stupid geritol chugging plastic hip old fuck

How else do you keep school shooters from getting AR-15s?

Pray?

[monosylab1k]

Who was making the argument that ar15s were going to be confiscated, you stupid geritol chugging plastic hip old fuck

:lol

[Blake]

How else do you keep school shooters from getting AR-15s?

Pray?

Did your hip give you trouble as you were moving the goalposts?

[CosmicCowboy]

Did your hip give you trouble as you were moving the goalposts?

Whats wrong, Tball? Can't play with the big boys?

It was a really simple question.

You want to pray on it?

[CosmicCowboy]

Why the anger? Did Sancho have an AR-15?

[Blake]

Whats wrong, Tball? Can't play with the big boys?

It was a really simple question.

You want to pray on it?

It's a question nobody cares to answer based on an argument nobody is making, old fuck.

[RandomGuy]

How else do you keep school shooters from getting AR-15s?

Pray?

Pass laws that make them illegal. Tax the shit out of the manufacturers.

It isn't hard to come up with the solution to the problem, unless you are suffering from the delusiont hat guns are necessary to a democracy.

[Blake]

RG answered it any way. Lol.

Calling tsa/Cc/etc response:
what about the ones legally purchased that are out there?

Round and round.

[RandomGuy]

Fascinating. So how would you categorize your strawman?

It was a bit unfair.

CC was merely stating the fact that we seem to have become indifferent to the slaughter of kids, not that he didn't give a shit. He almost certainly does care. He could have, at any time, simply said so, instead of being defensive/arrogant.

That is the way things go in such discussions.

Seems to me that the topic is a bit too important to treat so superficially.

[CosmicCowboy]

RG answered it any way. Lol.

Calling tsa/Cc/etc response:
what about the ones legally purchased that are out there?

Round and round.
OK Tball. I see an adult chimed in. So the answer is making them illegal and confiscating them. Got it.

See, that wasnt so hard.

[RandomGuy]

RG answered it any way. Lol.

Calling tsa/Cc/etc response:
what about the ones legally purchased that are out there?

Round and round.

Let people keep them (i.e. grandfathered). Put in a standing buy offer, more than fair.

No new spare parts for them. Let time do the rest. Not something that most liberals would be willing to live with, but practical.

[CosmicCowboy]

Let people keep them (i.e. grandfathered). Put in a standing buy offer, more than fair.

No new spare parts for them. Let time do the rest. Not something that most liberals would be willing to live with, but practical.

Respectfully, that horse is out of the barn. With up to 10 million out there they will never be hard for a whacko to get without confiscation.

[Blake]

So the answer is making them illegal and confiscating them. Got it.

See, that wasnt so hard.


Let people keep them (i.e. grandfathered).

The round and round.

[TeyshaBlue]

Restrict new purchases. Buy back existing firearms at $10k per gun. Watch the numbers shrink significantly. Gather the data and draw conclusions.

And before "10 grand per gun. Thats going to be an outrageous outlay!"

Probably 3% of the bank/financial bailout.

[Blake]

OK Tball.

https://i.cbc.ca/1.2173531.1382504290!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/breuning-old-man-cp-3170024.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Restrict new purchases. Buy back existing firearms at $10k per gun. Watch the numbers shrink significantly. Gather the data and draw conclusions.

And before "10 grand per gun. Thats going to be an outrageous outlay!"

Probably 3% of the bank/financial bailout.

+1

[CosmicCowboy]

FWIW I no longer own any ARs or AKs. Made a bunch of money with a buddy playing part time converting surplus parts into Class 3s pre '86 for 2000+ % profit but they never appealed to me personally. On long guns I prefer sub-moa rifles.

[spurraider21]

apparently, if you don't confiscate person A's gun away, you can't do anything to prevent person B from getting a gun :lol

[Spurminator]

Restrict new purchases. Buy back existing firearms at $10k per gun. Watch the numbers shrink significantly. Gather the data and draw conclusions.

And before "10 grand per gun. Thats going to be an outrageous outlay!"

Probably 3% of the bank/financial bailout.

An important reason this works is that it drives up the value of the firearms left in the market and funnels them towards collectors instead of psychopaths.

[CosmicCowboy]

apparently, if you don't confiscate person A's gun away, you can't do anything to prevent person B from getting a gun :lol

Thats actually true if you were intellectually honest and not just arguing to be a bitch. Used guns change hands all the time either willingly or through theft.

[Spurminator]

Used goods change hands more easily when the market is consistently replenished with those goods. Cut off the supply.

[Blake]

They arent going to confiscate millions of existing AR-15s no matter how much those kids skip school.


It was a statement of fact, cuck.


FWIW I no longer own any ARs or AKs. Made a bunch of money with a buddy playing part time converting surplus parts into Class 3s pre '86 for 2000+ % profit but they never appealed to me personally. On long guns I prefer sub-moa rifles.

The "oh well it doesn't really matter to me any way" backdown.

With the subtle big time mixed in on cue.

[CosmicCowboy]

What backdown, faggot? Just sayin I dont own any.

And its funny how you and Fuzzy obsess on my appearance. You posting pictures of geriatrics, fuzzy calling me fat.

LOL you two pussies are the ones that would be afraid to go to a GTG.

[CosmicCowboy]

Used goods change hands more easily when the market is consistently replenished with those goods. Cut off the supply.

Diminished supply affects price, not availability. Plus 10 million in circulation is hardly a diminished supply.

[spurraider21]

Thats actually true if you were intellectually honest and not just arguing to be a bitch. Used guns change hands all the time either willingly or through theft.
well, if private sales are more heavily regulated or even just made outright illegal, then you'd only have to worry about the "bad guys with guns" breaking the law with illegal sales.

its also why you have the optional buyback system to eat at the supply

[CosmicCowboy]

well, if private sales are more heavily regulated or even just made outright illegal, then you'd only have to worry about the "bad guys with guns" breaking the law with illegal sales.

its also why you have the optional buyback system to eat at the supply

If bullets turned to daisies when fired it would solve the problem too.

Both have about equal chances of happening.

[spurraider21]

If bullets turned to daisies when fired it would solve the problem too.

Both have about equal chances of happening.
you are conflating the effect/success of the suggested regulation with the probability that said regulation could be enacted

it represents a pivot from "there's nothing we can do about gun control" to "there's nothing we will do about gun control"

[Spurminator]

Diminished supply affects price, not availability.

Right, and price affects access. A buyback affects price and access even further.


Plus 10 million in circulation is hardly a diminished supply.

It's still a limit and will still impact price drastically.

[Chucho]

If the government gives a 2 for 1 buyback value, I'm going on a HiPoint shopping spree.

[SpursforSix]

Restrict new purchases. Buy back existing firearms at $10k per gun. Watch the numbers shrink significantly. Gather the data and draw conclusions.

And before "10 grand per gun. Thats going to be an outrageous outlay!"

Probably 3% of the bank/financial bailout.

What numbers are you using? That doesn't sound right.

Or are you talking about a particular type of gun?

[RandomGuy]

Respectfully, that horse is out of the barn. With up to 10 million out there they will never be hard for a whacko to get without confiscation.

"It would be hard" :cry

That does not mean we shouldn't try. We are made of sterner stuff than that, I hope.

[RandomGuy]

Thats actually true if you were intellectually honest and not just arguing to be a bitch. Used guns change hands all the time either willingly or through theft.

$10000 per AR15, no questions asked, would put thieves to work for us. Melt the fuckers at every chance, make sure replacement parts can't be manufactured legally, and it takes care of itself over time.

We spend trillions of dollars on a military to "keep us safe". This seems like a bargain.

[RandomGuy]

What numbers are you using? That doesn't sound right.

Or are you talking about a particular type of gun?

Dunno. We put up hundreds of billions in bailouts. $10000 per gun times ten thousands of guns is on the order of about a hundred million dollars, a fraction of the cost of a new warship or bomber.

[Blake]

What backdown, faggot? Just sayin I dont own any.

And its funny how you and Fuzzy obsess on my appearance. You posting pictures of geriatrics, fuzzy calling me fat.

LOL you two pussies are the ones that would be afraid to go to a GTG.

Lol angry

[spurraider21]

Dunno. We put up hundreds of billions in bailouts. $10000 per gun times ten thousands of guns is on the order of about a hundred million dollars, a fraction of the cost of a new warship or bomber.
there are hundreds of millions of guns.

dont know any ballpark numbers for semi-auto rifles

[SpursforSix]

Dunno. We put up hundreds of billions in bailouts. $10000 per gun times ten thousands of guns is on the order of about a hundred million dollars, a fraction of the cost of a new warship or bomber.

Yeah...I didn't know what the thought was for how many guns this would pull in. My guess is that it's much higher than "tens of thousands" assuming there is no scale for type of gun. I would think millions of low end guns would be turned in at that price.

The 3% of the bailout just sounds very low.

[CosmicCowboy]

you are conflating the effect/success of the suggested regulation with the probability that said regulation could be enacted

it represents a pivot from "there's nothing we can do about gun control" to "there's nothing we will do about gun control"

Meh. Guess I'm the forum cynic but I still say this will have all blown over in three months.



















Guess all the lights are back on in Puerto Rico, right? Sure dont hear shit about it.

[spurraider21]

Meh. Guess I'm the forum cynic but I still say this will have all blown over in three months.



















Guess all the lights are back on in Puerto Rico, right? Sure dont hear shit about it.
ok. once again, your point is not "we can't do anything about it" but "we won't do anything about it." thanks for the clarification

[boutons_deux]

buyback at current gun retail is only one incentive. buy backs are destroyed

the avg gun nut owns 9 guns

Each gun must (retroactively) give a GIN (gun ID number), like cars

A FEDERAL database of all guns, GIN, details of last seller and current owner

on demand, the owner must show purchase receipt which has full details of the seller

owner must pay, for EACH gun, $100K? liability insurance, and take EACH gun to an inspection annually (
just like with a car) with proof of insurance and registration, and personal photo ID. $1000 fine per gun if not re-registered (or can't find the fucking gun)

And lots of ways to confiscate guns

-- DWI

-- domestic abuse

-- entering drug/alcohol rehab

-- losing gun or gun stolen (automatic $5K fine, per gun)

-- death or injury by the gun lost or stolen (owner is a de facto shooting accomplice)

I can dream up more... :)

You fuckers can have you fucking guns, "FREEDOM!!!!", but society ain't paying for the death and destruction, you fuckers are.

[TeyshaBlue]

What numbers are you using? That doesn't sound right.

Or are you talking about a particular type of gun?

Tarp alone was 700 billion dollars. 3% equals 21 billion dollars. That ought to cover a healthy turn in

[TeyshaBlue]

I own three shotguns and a handgun. Three of which I never use. I'll keep my Remington over and under 20 gauge for trap shoots and make 30 Grand off the rest. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would jump at the opportunity to score 30 grand

[SpursforSix]

Tarp alone was 700 billion dollars. 3% equals 21 billion dollars. That ought to cover my healthy turn in

I think you're underestimating how many guns would get turned in at $10,000 per.

[TeyshaBlue]

1 million guns at $10,000 each is only 10 billion half, of my estimate

[SpursforSix]

1 million guns at $10,000 each is only 10 billion half, of my estimate

I think you'd have 20,000,000 guns turned in.

[Chucho]

I think you're underestimating how many guns would get turned in at $10,000 per.


Indeed. I'd start buying as many cheap HiPoints as my savings would allocate and cash them in at a $50 to $1 return, that's the smartest, safest greatest investment of all time.

[SpursforSix]

Indeed. I'd start buying as many cheap HiPoints as my savings would allocate and cash them in at a $50 to $1 return, that's the smartest, safest greatest investment of all time.

Word. And I'd expect to see a short term drastic increase in violent gun thefts.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think you'd have 20,000,000 guns turned in.

200 billion. If it works it's a freaking bargain that's less than a third of tarp

[SpursforSix]

200 billion. If it works it's a freaking bargain that's less than a third of tarp

I just think you grossly underestimated the cost with your 3% comment. That was the point with my first response.

[TeyshaBlue]

Indeed. I'd start buying as many cheap HiPoints as my savings would allocate and cash them in at a $50 to $1 return, that's the smartest, safest greatest investment of all time.

I'm sure there be verbage like purchased before XXX date. But yeah there's going 2 be a short-term spike in robberies

[TeyshaBlue]

I just think you grossly underestimated the cost with your 3% comment. That was the point with my first response.

That 3% was illustrative and just pulled out of my ass. LOL but the point remains, it's a bargain when compared to the tarp bail out

[SpursforSix]

That 3% was illustrative and just pulled out of my ass. LOL but the point remains, it's a bargain when compared to the tarp bail out

I don't understand the logic of spending $200,000,000,000 with negligible economic benefit and maybe cutting yearly gun deaths by 50%.

There are a lot of ways to help a lot more people with that money than buying back guns.

[TeyshaBlue]

200 billion is a hell of a front-loaded quantitative easing package

[TeyshaBlue]

Besides the asinine concept of applying value 2 reducing gun deaths

[TeyshaBlue]

Plus this is a gun death reduction measure not necessarily help everyone measure

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm dictating this on my phone while I'm traveling the grammar is... questionable. LOL

[SpursforSix]

Besides the asinine concept of applying value 2 reducing gun deaths

Why? You've already done it by coming up with a cost per gun.

Are there more lives that can be saved by applying the $200,000,000,000 elsewhere?

[TeyshaBlue]

Start here. What's the value of a human life in dollars?

[SpursforSix]

Start here. What's the value of a human life in dollars?

Don't know. But I bet you can spend $200,000,000,000 elsewhere and save more lives than by purchasing back guns.

[TeyshaBlue]

Me? About a buck 50. My kids? There is no number High Enough

[TeyshaBlue]

Don't know. But I bet you can spend $200,000,000,000 elsewhere and save more lives than by purchasing back guns.

Short-term? Maybe. Long-term I don't know

[TeyshaBlue]

It's a worthwhile discussion though

[Spurminator]

I think getting hung up on the numbers distracts from the idea itself. $10K may not be the number and it may not need to be. The idea is to reduce supply and drive up value.

[SpursforSix]

Me? About a buck 50. My kids? There is no number High Enough

Sure. Same.

But I'm not convinced that even pulling 20 million guns will do much to curtail gun deaths by much.

[Blake]

Don't know. But I bet you can spend $200,000,000,000 elsewhere and save more lives than by purchasing back guns.

You got any ideas?

[Chucho]

You got any ideas?


Give everyone Kevlar body suits.

[Blake]

Give everyone Kevlar body suits.

Or give everyone guns

[SpursforSix]

You got any ideas?

I haven't really thought about it.

I'm not condoning doing it but maybe public health, disease research, car safety. I don't know.
If you take a globalist view, you could surely keep a shit load of people from starving to death or dying due to disease.

[Chucho]

Or give everyone guns


Why not both?

[SpursforSix]

Or spend it educating the public about eating the right foods. You'd save millions of lives. Although you'd fuck up BigPharma.

[Blake]

I haven't really thought about it.

I'm not condoning doing it but maybe public health, disease research, car safety. I don't know.
If you take a globalist view, you could surely keep a shit load of people from starving to death or dying due to disease.

I'm sure we can find ways to do all the above.

[Blake]

Or spend it educating the public about eating the right foods. You'd save millions of lives. Although you'd fuck up BigPharma.

Already being done

[Spurminator]

We could probably use a fraction of the money to get these potential shooters laid a few times.

[SpursforSix]

I'm sure we can find ways to do all the above.


Already being done

You don't think $200,000,000,000 would do it any better?

[Blake]

You don't think $200,000,000,000 would do it any better?

I think an iPhone camera can record an instructional video on what foods are healthy to eat.

If we spend 200 billion on a mostly one time gun buy back and it works, I'm all for it.

[Chris]

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http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/05/father-parkland-florida-victim-meadow-pollack-gun-control-not-achievable-focus-school

[Pavlov]

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http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/05/father-parkland-florida-victim-meadow-pollack-gun-control-not-achievable-focus-schoolThen he immediately endorsed the bill with gun control measures in it.

[spurraider21]

again, narrative is shifting from "we can't fix the issue" to "we wont fix the issue"

[Pavlov]

again, narrative is shifting from "we can't fix the issue" to "we wont fix the issue"Looks hard, let's not try. Our forefathers would be proud of our inaction.

[Chris]

States will have to fix the issues themselves. Texas and Ohio are doing a pretty good job.

[Pavlov]

States will have to fix the issues themselves. Texas and Ohio are doing a pretty good job.What did Texas do to fix the issue after the Sutherland Springs massacre?

[Chris]

What did Texas do to fix the issue after the Sutherland Springs massacre?

Irrelevant. It's about what they are doing now.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/24/armed-teachers-texas-trump-362397

[Pavlov]

Irrelevant. It's about what they are doing now.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/24/armed-teachers-texas-trump-362397No, four months ago is completely relevant.

What did they do then?

[Chris]

No, four months ago is completely relevant.

What did they do then?

Irrelevant. It's about what they are doing right now.

[Pavlov]

Irrelevant. It's about what they are doing right now.No, four months ago is completely relevant.

What did they do then?

26 people died.

[Chris]

I Go to a School Where an Attack Was Foiled. Here’s Why I’m Against Limiting Gun Rights.



COMMENTARY BY
Nicole Martin
Nicole Martin is a freshman at Etowah High School in Woodstock, Georgia, northwest of Atlanta.

Police cars surrounded my high school as I walked fast across the street to the science building. Eyes were glancing in many directions. The slight panic—bordering on hysteria—was obvious.

Hundreds of students stayed home, but I did not. Why? Because the threat was safely locked away in jail.

Four months before the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, my own school in Cherokee County, Georgia, was under serious threat in October from two 17-year-old students.

Together, the two juniors at Etowah High School planned a Columbine-style attack using explosives, law enforcement authorities said.

But campus police and the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office learned about the pair’s plans ahead of time through a tip, and reacted immediately to the first report. The two students are charged as adults with attempted murder and other offenses.

If that threat had not been stopped, many people at my school would be dead. It could have been me, my brother, my closest friends, or all of us.

But it was stopped. We are alive.

Having this perspective, my heart was shattered into pieces when I heard the news Feb. 14 about Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida. I have been praying for all of the students, teachers, and families who are going through hell right now.

“Take away gun rights. Something needs to be done,” my friends keep telling me.

Yes, something absolutely does need to be done, but not that way.

Reports and tips need to be taken seriously. Death is an unchangeable thing, and anyone who jokes about it is sick. A threat is not a joke; it is illegal, and it demands an immediate response.

Next, teachers should be trained and armed with guns, if they choose to be. I am constantly hearing friends say that if teachers were armed, they would be too scared to shoot back. That is an offensive statement, and it needs to stop.

A coach at Douglas High died because he ran into the shooting and jumped in front of a bullet. How could anyone say that man would have been afraid to shoot back? He chose to die so his students didn’t have to, yet people say teachers would have been hiding if they had guns.

Taking away gun rights isn’t going to help the cause. Immediately after our Founding Fathers listed our God-given rights, they decided that every American’s right “to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Everyone needs a way to defend himself or herself. I realize that many people simply want to add restrictions to buying a gun for everyone, which I thought seemed reasonable at first until I researched it.

Some of the most infamous shooters were approved to buy a gun because their previous felonies had not been reported to gun shop owners. Those shooters should not have been approved, but they were.

The system of background checks needs to be tightened to include felons and those who courts say are mentally ill.

Taking away Second Amendment rights from everyone is not the solution.

http://dailysignal.com/2018/03/06/i-go-to-a-school-where-an-attack-was-foiled-heres-why-im-against-limiting-gun-rights/

[TeyshaBlue]

Irrelevant. It's about what they are doing now.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/24/armed-teachers-texas-trump-362397

Wouldn't have done a damn thing to prevent Sutherland Springs.

[Chris]

Wouldn't have done a damn thing to prevent Sutherland Springs.

This is about Parkland and what they are doing now. Not Sutherland Springs.

[TeyshaBlue]

Then why reference to the link as a reposte to Sutherland Springs?

[Chris]

Then why reference to the link as a reposte to Sutherland Springs?

I figured the term irrelevant made that quite clear.

[TeyshaBlue]

Not really. Gunplay is not limited to schoos.

[Chris]

Not really. Gunplay is not limited to schoos.

There's already State law in Texas that allows for armed volunteer security in churches.

[Chris]

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[TeyshaBlue]

There's already State law in Texas that allows for armed volunteer security in churches.

Really effective in Sutherland Springs.

[rmt]

Already being done

Yesterday, the American College of Physicians loosened Type 2 Diabetes A1C goal to be between 7 and 8 instead of under 7 as the American Diabetes Association suggests. That alone will kill more people than any guns. Normal A1C is considered below 5.7 - IMO, it should be under 5. The public being educated about eating the right foods is not happening - that food pyramid is a joke - it should be flipped with carbs on the top and fats on the bottom.

I am glad that people are discussing solutions in this thread, but I'd like to know how the government would know who has what gun(s). And if the govt started paying $10k for each gun, I'd start buying as many as possible (privately) and hoarding them.

[Chris]

Really effective in Sutherland Springs.

Good thing there was a local NRA firearms instructor nearby with an AR-15, otherwise more people would have died. The law was only 3 months old when the incident at Sutherland Springs happened.

[spurraider21]

Good thing there was a local NRA firearms instructor nearby with an AR-15, otherwise more people would have died. The law was only 3 months old when the incident at Sutherland Springs happened.
he killed 26 innocent people, but because he was himself killed, all good

[TeyshaBlue]

Yesterday, the American College of Physicians loosened Type 2 Diabetes A1C goal to be between 7 and 8 instead of under 7 as the American Diabetes Association suggest. That alone will kill more people than any guns. Normal A1C is considered below 5.7 - IMO, it should be under 5. The public being educated about eating the right foods is not happening - that food pyramid is a joke - it should be flipped with carbs on the top and fats on the bottom.

I am glad that people are discussing solutions in this thread, but I'd like to know how the government would know who has what gun(s). And if the govt started paying $10k for each gun, I'd start buying as many as possible (privately) and hoarding them.

Who said the government had to know who has what guns? I think it would be prudent to see an ID when a firearm is turned in for 10 grand.. and smart money would say that the date would include a cutoff date which precludes buying and hoarding weapons for later resale.

[TeyshaBlue]

Good thing there was a local NRA firearms instructor nearby with an AR-15, otherwise more people would have died. The law was only 3 months old when the incident at Sutherland Springs happened.

Yeah. The instructor shot a symptom. Did nothing to address the problem. Not blaming him, nobody's addressed the problem.

[Blake]

Yesterday, the American College of Physicians loosened Type 2 Diabetes A1C goal to be between 7 and 8 instead of under 7 as the American Diabetes Association suggests. That alone will kill more people than any guns. Normal A1C is considered below 5.7 - IMO, it should be under 5. The public being educated about eating the right foods is not happening - that food pyramid is a joke - it should be flipped with carbs on the top and fats on the bottom.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/business/03plate.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

https://www.choosemyplate.gov

Food pyramid gone 7 years ago

[rmt]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/business/03plate.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

https://www.choosemyplate.gov

Food pyramid gone 7 years ago

“It’s better than the pyramid, but that’s not saying a lot,” said Marion Nestle, a professor of nutrition at New York University. (from your first link).

My opinion on that plate - grain should be 1/4 of what it is, fruit should be 1/3 of what it is and there is NO FAT (nuts, seeds, olive oil, coconut oil) - do that and you cut diabetes and heart disease by 90%. Good fats are not dirty words.

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

971228330082164737
aww your boy got the verified check mark :tu

[Chris]

aww your boy got the verified check mark :tu

He went HAM on Special Agent Hogg at the end. I'm proud tbh

[spurraider21]

how the fuck has he not spoken to david hogg about this stuff :lol

[Blake]

“It’s better than the pyramid, but that’s not saying a lot,” said Marion Nestle, a professor of nutrition at New York University. (from your first link).

My opinion on that plate - grain should be 1/4 of what it is, fruit should be 1/3 of what it is and there is NO FAT (nuts, seeds, olive oil, coconut oil) - do that and you cut diabetes and heart disease by 90%. Good fats are not dirty words.

The first link is from 2011.

I'm sure everyone has their own optimum diet plan. I don't really care too much but I think whatever they currently have is probably a pretty good set up for healthy eating.

[Chris]

how the fuck has he not spoken to david hogg about this stuff :lol

Hogg is refusing to go back to school apparently. He's too busy duping dummy Democrats into donating to his slush fund donation scams. He's also making the NRA rich. Special Agent Hogg

[Pavlov]

Hey, another conspiracy.

[monosylab1k]

:lol Hell, even if BLM put out videos with the messages “A Call To Arms” and then “Your Time Is Running Out” we’d see Fox News freaking the fuck out.

971515653827039232

[Chris]

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[RandomGuy]

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-arming-teachers-20180226-story.html

Experience tells us that one stakeholder in school security that might have the last word is the insurance industry. After the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre — the last time that arming teachers got serious consideration — insurers across the country put the kibosh on the idea.

That was especially true in Kansas, which went further than most other states in allowing school personnel to bring guns onto their premises. The Kansas law gave school districts the prerogative to allow teachers, administrators and other employees with concealed-carry permits to carry their guns into schools.

Districts pondering the idea after the measure was signed in April 2013 by Sam Brownback, the state's tea party governor, got swift pushback from EMC Insurance Companies, which provided coverage to more than 85% of the state's districts.

"Concealed handguns on school premises pose a heightened liability risk," the insurer informed districts via its agent network. "We have chosen not to insure schools that allow employees to carry concealed handguns. Schools permitting concealed handguns will be declined, as new business. Existing schools permitting concealed handguns will not be renewed."

Presumably to avoid being tagged as a 2nd Amendment opponent, EMC specified that it was taking the action "simply to protect the financial security of the company."

Several school districts that had been toying with the idea dropped it after the warning. In Indiana, workers compensation insurers said they wouldn't cover personnel who carried guns onto campuses. Oregon's major liability insurance consortium said it would surcharge districts for every civilian employee they allowed to bring firearms to school, which discouraged the initiative.

In Texas and a number of other states, holders of concealed-carry permits can bring firearms into schools; 40 states bar guns even for employees with concealed-carry permits except under certain conditions. In California, civilian school employees aren't permitted to bring weapons onto the premises.

It's not hard to find the source of the ridiculous idea of arming teachers. It's the National Rifle Assn., of course, the goal of which in every case is: more guns. (The purest distillation of this policy is NRA chief Wayne LaPierre's assertion after the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre that "only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.")


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[Blake]

"Birmingham Interim Police Chief Orlando Wilson said investigators are reviewing surveillance video for clues and interviewing students and staff to figure out exactly what led to Wednesday afternoon's shooting at dismissal time at Huffman High School.

"We consider it accidental until the investigation takes us elsewhere," Wilson said. "We have a lot of unanswered questions. There are so many unknowns at this time."

The gun was recovered, but Wilson declined to say who fired it. No arrests were immediately reported.

"We're hoping if we have footage, that it will reveal it," he said. "If we have witnesses, we're hoping they will tell it."

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/17-year-student-killed-accidental-shooting-alabama-high/story%3fid=53595526

[spurraider21]

971621308047024128

I think we have a match.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWCGWhLW4AEIntm?format=jpg&name=medium


Look at the brow. Gotta be him.

[Chris]

Get educated on the AR-15

971822445953978370

[Chris]

971805323769057281

[Pavlov]

:lol What does Ted Cruz know about bipartisanship?

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol What does Ted Cruz know about bipartisanship?

Cruz cant even bi-partisan in his own party.

[boutons_deux]

The NRA’s ‘professor of killology’ is meeting Trump to discuss violent video games

David Grossman has taught police officers to never hesitate in using lethal force.

A self-described professor of “killology” is taking part in a Thursday meeting at the White House about how video games might spur gun violence.

David Grossman, a retired U.S. military special forces officer and former psychology professor at West Point,

Grossman is an incredibly popular figure with gun advocates and the law enforcement community.

His book On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society is recommended reading for U.S. Marines and required at the FBI Academy (https://books.google.com/books?id=RvQgWQfO2csC&pg=PR21#v=onepage&q&f=false).

In one of his training classes, recorded for the documentary Do Not Resist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zt7bl5Z_oA),

he tells his students that they’ll have the best sex of their lives after they kill another human being.

“We. Are. At. War.” Grossman told one group of Pennsylvania officers (https://newrepublic.com/article/141675/professor-carnage-dave-grossman-police-warrior-philosophy). “You are the frontline troops in this war. You are the Delta Force. You are the Green Beret. You are British SAS.

Grossman believes that violent video games are creating a “generation of mass killers.”

“We know that the sick movies and the sick video games create sick, sick kids,”

“What we have is a whole civilization that is more predisposed to violence.”

( :lol iow, America is fucked and unfuckable, and Grossman supports the fucking )

First, statistics show that violent crime is at a historic low (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-12/pssst-crime-may-be-near-an-all-time-low), and research shows that states with strong gun laws have lower homicide rates (http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-gun-laws-homicides-20180305-story.html).

Second, video games have been blamed for mass shootings since Columbine but there has never been conclusive evidence to link the two (http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/08/media/video-game-industry-white-house/index.html).

Even conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin

Scalia wrote that there was little evidence to back up the idea that video games alone cause violence.

Finally, Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza — whom Grossman specifically cites as an example in his new book — did have an obsession with a video game, but one called Dance Dance Revolution (https://kotaku.com/sandy-hook-killers-video-gaming-obsession-not-what-yo-1471421158).

https://thinkprogress.org/the-nras-professor-of-killology-is-meeting-trump-to-discuss-violent-video-games-5741d75cfb76/

When the murderous American Empire brings warrriors home, Grossman is the kind of blood-thirsty, trigger-happy, BigGun whore asshole that America is left with.

America is fucked and unfuckable, in permanent decline, as the militarized police state ascends inexorably in power and immunity.

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Video Game Summit Looks Like a Farce Before It’s Even Happened

https://compote.slate.com/images/516ca7fc-cc0a-46bb-a812-20766cce04b9.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=1560x1040&offset=0x0

The meeting’s agenda hasn’t been revealed, probably because

the gathering has been a slow-motion face-plant since the White House announced it.

On Thursday morning—the day of!—we finally learned who is actually attending the meeting, and

it should not give anyone hope that the Trump administration is thinking seriously about video games, gun violence, or any relationship between the two.

The list of expected attendees, ...

clinches how farcical the meeting will be.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXxEBWuXkAArlqA.jpg


https://slate.com/technology/2018/03/trumps-video-game-summit-is-a-farce.html

[Blake]

Get educated on the AR-15

971822445953978370

Muh self defense

[CosmicCowboy]

Boutons lies again. What a surprise.

The "stronger gun laws, lower homide rate" lie conveniently left out the fact they included suicides.

[Chris]

Boutons lies again. What a surprise.

The "stronger gun laws, lower homide rate" lie conveniently left out the fact they included suicides.

Do yourself a favor and hit that ignore button. I usually don't advocate for such, but it will save you some scrolling at least.

[Chris]

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