School shooting: Parkland, Florida

[Pavlov]

"Number of fatalities"

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-respond-shooting-parkland-florida-high-school-n848101

Shooter said to be in custody.

[boutons_deux]

big yawn, Living In America The Beautiful

There were already several school shootings just in January.

[Blake]

Fuck

[Trill Clinton]

Ridiculous

[lefty20]

Oh hey, another one. What's the weekly streak at now? Does elias shooting bureau have in-depth numbers for the current streak? How close are we to a PR? Details, I need details.

[spurraider21]

Shrug.

I mean really, there are no words anymore.

We pretend to give a shit, but ultimately throw our hands up and say these shootings are just part and parcel of living in the U.S.

[Pavlov]

Shrug.

I mean really, there are no words anymore.

We pretend to give a shit, but ultimately throw our hands up and say these shootings are just part and parcel of living in the U.S.Well, one thing's for sure -- it's not time to talk about gun violence in America.

[Splits]

Everyone needs to send Thoughts and Prayers and Condolences to the victims and their families RIGHT NOW

[boutons_deux]

Well, one thing's for sure -- it's not time to talk about gun violence in America.

:lol

[turkish spurs fan]

time to leave usa. here is not in security.

[Splits]

Well, one thing's for sure -- it's not time to talk about gun violence in America.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWBrYt1WkAAxS1Y.jpg

[lefty20]

#thoughtsandprayers trending yet?

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWBp1_dVQAAN96B.jpg:large

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWBuEG7WsAAoFoe.jpg:large

[clambake]

let me guess......


white guy?

[monosylab1k]

let me guess......


white guy?

Name sounds pretty Hispanic tbh, so border security will be the deflection used. Trump will associate this kid with MS-13 and people will stop talking about gun control by Friday.

[Splits]

963895462892683265

[sickdsm]

let me guess......


white guy?

You forgot to guess political affiliation of shooters family.

[Trill Clinton]

let me guess......


white guy?
Of the socially awkward variety

[Will Hunting]

Everyone needs to send Thoughts and Prayers and Condolences to the victims and their families RIGHT NOW
Don’t forget the obligatory sanctimony about how :cry the bodies are still warm and you want to politicize this :cry

[Mark Celibate]

Another Hispanic gang member shooting up Americans par per etc

need to hurry up and build the wall.

[Blake]

Don’t forget the obligatory sanctimony about how :cry the bodies are still warm and you want to politicize this :cry

Or that the shooter is somehow tied to the Democrats trying to push anti gun agenda

[Trill Clinton]

Don’t forget the obligatory sanctimony about how :cry the bodies are still warm and you want to politicize this :cry

Lol

[Chris]

Apparently the shooter was an ex-student who had already been flagged as a threat.

[Isitjustme?]

Another Hispanic gang member shooting up Americans par per etc

need to hurry up and build the wall.

Lol

[clambake]

Apparently the shooter was an ex-student who had already been flagged as a threat.

trump had a year to do something about this guy.

thanks donna

[Pavlov]

Damn.


A new study ranked the safest cities in the United States, and two Broward communities made the list...

Parkland made the list at number 15, with only 19 violent crimes for a crime rate of 0.6. Neighborhood Scout says the northwest Broward community is safer than 85 percent of cities in the country.


https://wsvn.com/news/local/two-broward-cities-ranked-among-nations-100-safest-communities/

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100safest

[Blake]

Apparently the shooter was an ex-student who had already been flagged as a threat.

Link

[Chris]

Link

https://ourhotwives.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=6

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

Damn, Chris is really angry today.

[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB5gyCVQAAv8DE.jpg:large

[Blake]

https://ourhotwives.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=6

Lol Chris' search history

[Blake]

963907141047279616

Stupid

[Blake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB5gyCVQAAv8DE.jpg:large

Oh a fallacy. Nifty

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

Chris, what is Trump doing about American carnage?

[monosylab1k]

963907141047279616

:lmao you and your closet queer support group

[Pavlov]

963896864427970561If I ask the UK about gun control -- what will they say, Chris?

[Chris]

If I ask the UK about gun control -- what will they say, Chris?

"We voted for Brexit, but our country is getting flooded with migrants who are hellbent on changing our culture. Wish we had guns to fight back and overthrow our shit government that was hijacked by German royalty back in the 17th century."

[SnakeBoy]

It's just sad at this point. If only we could close the gun show loophole and stop all these shootings.

[Pavlov]

"We voted for Brexit, but our country is getting flooded with migrants who are hellbent on changing our culture. Wish we had guns to fight back and overthrow our shit government that was hijacked by German royalty back in the 17th century."lol Muslims

How many people were killed by guns in the UK last year, Chris?

[boutons_deux]

...

[Trill Clinton]

Did they catch the coward alive or kill him?

[Chris]

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[Chris]

This guy was sick.

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[apalisoc_9]

This guy was sick.

963912814313140224

Damn descriptions fits the average trumptard.

[SnakeBoy]

UNODC murder rates, most recent year[1]

Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants.


Region Rate Count

World 6.2 437,000
Americas 16.3 157,000 <<<<<<<<<
Africa 12.5 135,000
Asia 2.9 122,000
Europe 3.0 22,000
Oceania 3.0 1,100

homicide/suicide rate in USA is GREATLY FACILITATED by 300M+ guns

Americans slaughtering Americans with guns is "the price of (2nd Amendment) FREEDOM!"

BigGun has as much ethics, morals as Monsanto.








lol Americas

Yeah the 2nd amendment is reeking havoc on El Salvador

[TSA]

Damn descriptions fits the average trumptard.

963918061094006784

Can't confirm because Laguna Beach Antifa twitter page is suspended.

[Will Hunting]

963896864427970561
:lol using armed veterans at schools is a new level of retarded

”IM GETTING FALLUJAH FLASHBACKS...BETTER SHOOT ALL THESE KIDS AT RECESS!”

[Chris]

lol apalisoc_9

[Chris]

:lol using armed veterans at schools is a new level of retarded

”IM GETTING FALLUJAH FLASHBACKS...BETTER SHOOT ALL THESE KIDS AT RECESS!”

Yeah because all veterans have PTSD. Retard :lol

[spurraider21]

You forgot to guess political affiliation of shooters family.
ding ding ding

[Pavlov]

963918061094006784

Can't confirm because Laguna Beach Antifa twitter page is suspended.Please don't retweet this thing I am tweeting with hashtags for everyone to see.

[boutons_deux]

the Cuban knee jerks ...

Marco Rubio: Now Not The Time to Talk Gun Control Because ‘People Don’t Know How This Happened’

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/marco-rubio-now-not-the-time-to-talk-gun-control-because-people-dont-know-how-this-happened/

goddam, this asshole is fucking stupid (which is how Repug voters like their pols)

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWCFADmV4AAGtHP.jpg

[TSA]

963918061094006784

Can't confirm because Laguna Beach Antifa twitter page is suspended.

963902764794425345

Looks like it could be him from pic in the middle

[Splits]

:cry t&p :cry

963900580707098625

[lefty]

It's funny cuz a lot of American be@ners with an inferiority complex voted Trump

[apalisoc_9]

It's funny cuz a lot of American be@ners with an inferiority complex voted Trump

Probably chuchus relative :lol

[Pavlov]

963918061094006784

Can't confirm because Laguna Beach Antifa twitter page is suspended.Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call it fake.

Let me know if that changes.

[Chris]

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[TSA]

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call it fake.

Let me know if that changes.

Very well could be a fake tweet and might not even be him. If the other tweet is his page though it sure does look like it could be the guy in the photo. We’ll know soon enough.

[Pavlov]

963930499734384640Who says there wasn't one in Parkland?

[spurraider21]

Very well could be a fake tweet and might not even be him. If the other tweet is his page though it sure does look like it could be the guy in the photo. We’ll know soon enough.
and then what? how is that information useful?

[Pavlov]

Very well could be a fake tweet and might not even be him. If the other tweet is his page though it sure does look like it could be the guy in the photo. We’ll know soon enough.You may want to check out the twitter account again.

My original comment stands.

[Chris]

Who says there wasn't one in Parkland?

Why do you want the United States to be a gun free zone like the UK?

[TSA]

and then what? how is that information useful?

And then we’ll know what he looks like, no one claimed it would be useful.

[Pavlov]

Why do you want the United States to be a gun free zone like the UK?False premise.

You didn't answer the question, Chris.

Who says there wasn't a resource officer in Parkland?

[Pavlov]

TSA, do you ever notice your first reaction to a shooting in the news is always ANTIFA?

[sickdsm]

Pavlov asking questions that are easily googable yet won't answer a direct question like "Do you have a phone for sale?"

[hater]

But but I thought America is exceptional and the world hates us because we are so free and exceptional :cry

[hater]

Lol at “every school should have a small army” morons :lol

How about you stop brain washing your idiot citizens about being exceptional for starts?

[Chris]

Imagine if the shooter had silencers and a bazooka launcher!

[TSA]

TSA, do you ever notice your first reaction to a shooting in the news is always ANTIFA?

Why do you lie so much?

[Pavlov]

Pavlov asking questions that are easily googable yet won't answer a direct question like "Do you have a phone for sale?"Oh, you were serious?

I did not have Huawei phone for sale.

Still don't.

Should I alert you if I ever do?

Yes or no.

If yes, tell me exactly how to notify you.

[TSA]

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call it fake.

Let me know if that changes.

If this is his yearbook picture do you think they are the same person?

http://popculture.com/trending/2018/02/14/florida-high-school-shooting-nicolas-cruz-yearbook-photo/

[Pavlov]

Why do you lie so much?Hm, what was your initial reaction to Stephen Paddock?

Was it ANTIFA or ISIS?

[Pavlov]

If this is his yearbook picture do you think they are the same person?

http://popculture.com/trending/2018/02/14/florida-high-school-shooting-nicolas-cruz-yearbook-photo/Doesn't really look alike to me.

But he's got to be ANTIFA. That's the only explanation. It's standard ANTIFA M.O.

Also ISIS.

[TSA]

Hm, what was your initial reaction to Stephen Paddock?

Was it ANTIFA or ISIS?

I don’t know but it’s your claim so back it up. You’re also going to need more than one example since you claimed my initial reaction to every shooting is always ANTIFA.

[Chris]

963929066502946816

[TSA]

Doesn't really look alike to me.

But he's got to be ANTIFA. That's the only explanation. It's standard ANTIFA M.O.

Also ISIS.

I think it looks like him a few years younger.

The guy in the pictures could be also 2018’s Sam Hyde.

[Pavlov]

I don’t know but it’s your claim so back it up. You’re also going to need more than one example since you claimed my initial reaction to every shooting is always ANTIFA.OK, you never suspect ANTIFA.

Or ISIS.

Ever.

This is the first time.

Right?

[Chris]

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[Brazil]

:lol Murica
:lol dudes like Chris speaking about mental health

[sickdsm]

Oh, you were serious?

I did not have Huawei phone for sale.

Still don't.

Should I alert you if I ever do?

Yes or no.

If yes, tell me exactly how to notify you.
You should try not responding with questions all the time.

[Pavlov]

You should try not responding with questions all the time.OK, I'll just conclude you weren't serious about the phone and are just butthurt for some reason.

Since I can't ask questions.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I would like to know more about the individual. What triggered him. Most likely he's just another vengeful loner that wants notoriety and others to feel his pain.

[TSA]

OK, you never suspect ANTIFA.

Or ISIS.

Ever.

This is the first time.

Right?

You made the claim. Are you going to back it up or admit you are a liar?

[Spurminator]

Very well could be a fake tweet and might not even be him.

Don't let that stop you from posting it though, it's important that Laguna Beach Antifa's reliable takes spread as quickly as possible.

[TSA]

I would like to know more about the individual. What triggered him. Most likely he's just another vengeful loner that wants notoriety and others to feel his pain.

Students said they had pegged him to be a potential school shooter. Also wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack when he attended. Don’t know how the fuck he got on to the campus knowing this.

[Chris]

:lol Murica
:lol dudes like Chris speaking about mental health

Good job voting in Globalist Macron over Le Pen. Have fun with the Muslim hordes. Bend over for Merkel Pleb.

[TSA]

Don't let that stop you from posting it though, it's important that Nick Short's reliable takes spread as quickly as possible.

Nick Short didn’t post that, but don’t let that stop you from spreading that he did.

[Chris]

I would like to know more about the individual. What triggered him. Most likely he's just another vengeful loner that wants notoriety and others to feel his pain.

He was a Communist and a Democrat. That's 2 mental illnesses we know about for sure.

[Spurminator]

Nick Short didn’t post that, but don’t let that stop you from spreading that he did.

Yeah I changed it once I realized the source was even more ridiculous than Nick Short.

Do you ever ask yourself why you're so easily duped by obvious liars, or is it your ambition to be one of them?

[TSA]

Yeah I changed it once I realized the source was even more ridiculous than Nick Short.

Do you ever ask yourself why you're so easily duped by obvious liars, or is it your ambition to be one of them?

“can’t confirm” = duped?

[TSA]

https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=9ff_1518644376

fuck

[Spurminator]

“can’t confirm” = duped?

Can't confirm, still posted because it confirms your suspicions/wishes.

For future reference, the reasonable thing to do is not post something you can't confirm from an unreliable source, but you don't care about reason.

lol antifa

[Chris]

https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=9ff_1518644376

fuck

Too bad no one had a gun.

[spurraider21]

Too bad no one had a gun.
Actually one person did. So, more like "too bad somebody had a gun."

[TSA]

Can't confirm, still posted because it confirms your suspicions/wishes.

For future reference, the reasonable thing to do is not post something you can't confirm from an unreliable source, but you don't care about reason.

lol antifa

can’t confirm this either it’s said he’s in this picture scrubbed from JROTC Page

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-02/14/18/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/sub-buzz-8970-1518649856-2.png?downsize=715

[TSA]

can’t confirm this either it’s said he’s in this picture scrubbed from JROTC Page

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-02/14/18/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/sub-buzz-8970-1518649856-2.png?downsize=715

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediafiles/152521/IMG_0742-452201.JPG

[apalisoc_9]

Buzzfeed :lol

[spurraider21]

And then we’ll know what he looks like, no one claimed it would be useful.
The only use is so someone can "score" stupid political points because "he was a right winger!" or "he was a left winger!" as if that somehow makes the situation better or gives us any useful information to prevent the next one.

[Blake]

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Lol go right to "it must have been drugs"

[spurraider21]

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great. what has this guy ever supported to help identify and treat mental health in any way that would potentially prevent attacks like today's?

none. its the most transparent talking point in politics today

[Chris]

great. what has this guy ever supported to help identify and treat mental health in any way that would potentially prevent attacks like today's?

none. its the most transparent talking point in politics today

Every child getting diagnosed with ADD for being a kid and legal prescription drugs that have devastating side effects. Definitely no reason to point the finger there.

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

Every child getting diagnosed with ADD for being a kid and legal prescription drugs that have devastating side effects. Definitely no reason to point the finger there.
can you point to any study that links ADD drug prescription with a tendency to commit mass shootings?

[spurraider21]

963944613063962624
oh look the confiscation strawman. hadn't seen that one for a good 3 minutes

[TSA]

The only use is so someone can "score" stupid political points because "he was a right winger!" or "he was a left winger!" as if that somehow makes the situation better or gives us any useful information to prevent the next one.

Or some people just want to know what the sick fuck looks like

[Spurminator]

Another best practice when deciding whether what you're about to post is real is to check and see if it's also being posted by a bunch of MAGA bots on Twitter.

Unless, you know, you're happy to contribute to the disinformation.

[spurraider21]

next step is for TSA to discuss the specific jargon of the weapon used. was it military style? was it semi automatic? was it an AR15? were there magazines?

[spurraider21]

Or some people just want to know what the sick fuck looks like
No, I don't buy that for a second. You want to know if he's a lefty for political points. It's par for the course. His physical appearance is meaningless. You just want to be ahead with your spin control to pin it on antifa/liberals so we can discuss that instead of gun violence.

But you don't care about stopping gun violence, you've already told me that mass shootings are just part and parcel of living in the U.S.

[Chris]

can you point to any study that links ADD drug prescription with a tendency to commit mass shootings?

It's not just ritalin, but that certainly is a gateway. I was pointing to it as underlying problem. If you want specific drug cases there are lots of links that point to drugs as the number one problem with mass shooters. This is common knowledge...

Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns
https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepres sants.html

SSRI Antidepressants: The Gateway Drug to Mass Murder
https://www.cchrint.org/2014/04/24/ssri-antidepressants-the-gateway-drug-to-mass-murder/

36 School shooters/school related violence committed by those under the influence of psychiatric drugs
https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

Just a handful of articles, there are hundreds.

[spurraider21]

It's not just ritalin, but that certainly is a gateway. I was pointing to it as underlying problem. If you want specific drug cases there are lots of links that point to drugs as the number one problem with mass shooters. This is common knowledge...

Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns
https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepres sants.html

SSRI Antidepressants: The Gateway Drug to Mass Murder
https://www.cchrint.org/2014/04/24/ssri-antidepressants-the-gateway-drug-to-mass-murder/

36 School shooters/school related violence committed by those under the influence of psychiatric drugs
https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

Just a handful of articles, there are hundreds.
none of those are studies. naturalnews offers nothing of constructive value. all they do is spew anti-vax and gmo propaganda.

and those cchr articles aren't studies. its just a blog that routinely cites to its own previous blog entries. i keep clicking their links to some other "fact" which always takes me to another blog entry.

[Spurminator]

Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns
https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepres sants.html


:lmao at that title

[midnightpulp]

Chris is absolutely correct that the state of mental healthcare in this country is deplorable. My cousin at 18 had a schizophrenic breakdown a few years ago that had him believing he was a sniper in the Navy Seals (sounds absurd, I know). My aunt and her daughter, fearing for their safety, called the police MULTIPLE TIMES in the hopes to have him committed and treated. Nope. Can't hold an adult person in any type of mental health facility/hospital against their will for more than 72 hours, no matter how batshit crazy they're behaving. This went on for weeks, and at one point, after being released from the facility, he was out wandering the streets for a few days. The situation eventually culminated in him trying to break into my late uncle's gun safe (he was in law enforcement and thus had a reasonably sized gun collection). After that, my uncles went over there and removed the safe and all other weapons from the house. Once again, called the authorities. Can't hold him for than 72 hours (he hadn't broken any laws, mind you). Previously, the so-called mental health "professionals" diagnosed him with Bi-Polar, which to anyone with even a cursory understanding of psychology would know was incorrect. He finally got the right diagnosis and medication, and there hasn't been an incident since.

That said, the ironic thing is you won't find a less sympathetic group towards mental health care in this country than conservatives. That 72 hours provision was introduced by St. Ronnie Reagan in the 80s, and since then, not only has the quality of mental health care declined, but the homelessness situation has reached epidemic levels (conservatives handwave away homeless people as lazy drug addicts unwilling to "buck up" and get their lives together). Conservatives stupidly believe that severe mental health issues can be overcome by "pulling yerself up by yer bootstraps and dealing with it." So I laugh when conservative pundits deflect to the state of mental health care after yet another mass shooting. It would be easier to get blood from a stone that to get your typical conservative to put one tax dollar toward mental health care reform.

About gun control. Despite my lashing of conservatives, I am sympathetic toward their resistance toward over bearing gun control (i.e. outright banning). I'm vehemently against punishing responsible people for the actions of a relatively rare minority, but on the other hand, no first world, civilized society should ever experience something like a mass shooting at a fuckin' elementary school. My solution would be if you want to own a gun, you have to go through a strict licensing procedure not unlike the one needed to have the privilege to drive a car. Minimum age: 21. And after that, routine mental health checkups every 6 months to prevent the now clichéd, "oh, I never would've thought he would do it. He was so ordinary and nice." You want the privilege to own an efficient killing machine, you need to prove you can be trusted to own one. No banning. Simply additional vetting, like Furor Trump wants for Middle Eastern immigrants. If conservatives are consistent in their outlook, they should have no problem with it.

But of course, there won't be enough "tax dollars" to fund and enforce such a thing, even though there's plenty enough tax dollars to fund 600 bases around the world that do nothing to help Americans at home.

[Spurminator]

So in other words, mass shootings do not all involve guns.

Saved me a click, thanks.

[spurraider21]

Chris is absolutely correct that the state of mental healthcare in this country is deplorable. My cousin at 18 had a schizophrenic breakdown a few years ago that had him believing he was a sniper in the Navy Seals (sounds absurd, I know). My aunt and her daughter, fearing for their safety, called the police MULTIPLE TIMES in the hopes to have him committed and treated. Nope. Can't hold an adult person in any type of mental health facility/hospital against their will for more than 72 hours, no matter how batshit crazy they're behaving. This went on for weeks, and at one point, after being released from the facility, he was out wandering the streets for a few days. The situation eventually culminated in him trying to break into my late uncle's gun safe (he was in law enforcement and thus had a reasonably sized gun collection). After that, my uncles went over there and removed the safe and all other weapons from the house. Once again, called the authorities. Can't hold him for than 72 hours (he hadn't broken any laws, mind you). Previously, the so-called mental health "professionals" diagnosed him with Bi-Polar, which to anyone with even a cursory understanding of psychology would know was incorrect. He finally got the right diagnosis and medication, and there hasn't been an incident since.

That said, the ironic thing is you won't find a less sympathetic group towards mental health care in this country than conservatives. That 72 hours provision was introduced by St. Ronnie Reagan in the 80s, and since then, not only has the quality of mental health care declined, but the homelessness situation has reached epidemic levels (conservatives handwave away homeless people as lazy drug addicts unwilling to "buck up" and get their lives together). Conservatives stupidly believe that severe mental health issues can be overcome by "pulling yerself up by yer bootstraps and dealing with it." So I laugh when conservative pundits deflect to the state of mental health care after yet another mass shooting. It would be easier to get blood from a stone that to get your typical conservative to put one tax dollar toward mental health care reform.

About gun control. Despite my lashing of conservatives, I am sympathetic toward their resistance toward over bearing gun control (i.e. outright banning). I'm vehemently against punishing responsible people for the actions of a relatively rare minority, but on the other hand, no first world, civilized society should ever experience something like a mass shooting at a fuckin' elementary school. My solution would be if you want to own a gun, you have to go through a strict licensing procedure not unlike the one needed to have the privilege to drive a car. Minimum age: 21. And after that, routine mental health checkups every 6 months to prevent the now clichéd, "oh, I never would've thought he would do it. He was so ordinary and nice." You want the privilege to own an efficient killing machine, you need to prove you can be trusted to own one. No banning. Simply additional vetting, like Furor Trump wants for Middle Eastern immigrants. If conservatives are consistent in their outlook, they should have no problem with it.

But of course, there won't be enough "tax dollars" to fund and enforce such a thing, even though there's plenty enough tax dollars to fund 600 bases around the world that do nothing to help Americans at home.
of course. that's my entire point. conservatives here just throw their hands up and say "mental health!" and yet support virtually nothing that would actually help get a handle on national mental health issues. thats why i just call it a transparent talking point. i'm all for a 2-pronged approach to gun violence. the right wants to pin it on one prong, and then do nothing to address that one prong. its maddening

instead lets gut funding that would give people access to mental health treatment, and gut funding to things like the national institute of health and the CDC

not to mention the whole "we will resist any outright ban on guns" is a shitty strawman, as i dont know of any serious proposal that has ever gotten traction on that front

[DarrinS]

Just sad

[SnakeBoy]

Chris is absolutely correct that the state of mental healthcare in this country is deplorable. My cousin at 18 had a schizophrenic breakdown a few years ago that had him believing he was a sniper in the Navy Seals (sounds absurd, I know). My aunt and her daughter, fearing for their safety, called the police MULTIPLE TIMES in the hopes to have him committed and treated. Nope. Can't hold an adult person in any type of mental health facility/hospital against their will for more than 72 hours, no matter how batshit crazy they're behaving. This went on for weeks, and at one point, after being released from the facility, he was out wandering the streets for a few days. The situation eventually culminated in him trying to break into my late uncle's gun safe (he was in law enforcement and thus had a reasonably sized gun collection). After that, my uncles went over there and removed the safe and all other weapons from the house. Once again, called the authorities. Can't hold him for than 72 hours (he hadn't broken any laws, mind you). Previously, the so-called mental health "professionals" diagnosed him with Bi-Polar, which to anyone with even a cursory understanding of psychology would know was incorrect. He finally got the right diagnosis and medication, and there hasn't been an incident since.

That said, the ironic thing is you won't find a less sympathetic group towards mental health care in this country than conservatives. That 72 hours provision was introduced by St. Ronnie Reagan in the 80s, and since then, not only has the quality of mental health care declined, but the homelessness situation has reached epidemic levels (conservatives handwave away homeless people as lazy drug addicts unwilling to "buck up" and get their lives together). Conservatives stupidly believe that severe mental health issues can be overcome by "pulling yerself up by yer bootstraps and dealing with it." So I laugh when conservative pundits deflect to the state of mental health care after yet another mass shooting. It would be easier to get blood from a stone that to get your typical conservative to put one tax dollar toward mental health care reform.

About gun control. Despite my lashing of conservatives, I am sympathetic toward their resistance toward over bearing gun control (i.e. outright banning). I'm vehemently against punishing responsible people for the actions of a relatively rare minority, but on the other hand, no first world, civilized society should ever experience something like a mass shooting at a fuckin' elementary school. My solution would be if you want to own a gun, you have to go through a strict licensing procedure not unlike the one needed to have the privilege to drive a car. Minimum age: 21. And after that, routine mental health checkups every 6 months to prevent the now clichéd, "oh, I never would've thought he would do it. He was so ordinary and nice." You want the privilege to own an efficient killing machine, you need to prove you can be trusted to own one. No banning. Simply additional vetting, like Furor Trump wants for Middle Eastern immigrants. If conservatives are consistent in their outlook, they should have no problem with it.

But of course, there won't be enough "tax dollars" to fund and enforce such a thing, even though there's plenty enough tax dollars to fund 600 bases around the world that do nothing to help Americans at home.

It was Democrats who led the way on the deinstitutionalization movement in favor of the current failed community health treatment approach so I don't understand how you are blaming conservatives for the current state of mental health treatment in this country.

[clambake]

its official


its political.

[CosmicCowboy]

Students said they had pegged him to be a potential school shooter. Also wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack when he attended. Don’t know how the fuck he got on to the campus knowing this.

Yeah, should have already thrown him in the gulag because the kids said so.

[lefty]

Probably chuchus relative :lol

:lol

[baseline bum]

We have the best school shootings

[clambake]

We have the best school shootings
damn right

[midnightpulp]

of course. that's my entire point. conservatives here just throw their hands up and say "mental health!" and yet support virtually nothing that would actually help get a handle on national mental health issues. thats why i just call it a transparent talking point. i'm all for a 2-pronged approach to gun violence. the right wants to pin it on one prong, and then do nothing to address that one prong. its maddening

instead lets gut funding that would give people access to mental health treatment, and gut funding to things like the national institute of health and the CDC

not to mention the whole "we will resist any outright ban on guns" is a shitty strawman, as i dont know of any serious proposal that has ever gotten traction on that front

They've never put their money where their mouth is in this regard. St. Ronnie's 1981 Act cut funding toward mental health care (and other programs/spending deemed "inessential") in favor of, you guessed it, defense spending :lol

We've always had a shitload of guns in this country, but yet mass shootings started reaching concerning levels in the 80s and have increased in frequency since. Correlation=/=causation, but this shit didn't happen at anywhere near the same frequency in previous decades, and that was a period when little 8 year old Johnny on the farm had his own .22 rifle under his bed. Conservatives will wax hogwash about how everyone was more respectful and said sir and ma'am in those Leave it to Beaver days, but it's really because mental health care was more robust (not necessarily more effective, but they didn't let obviously troubled people roam the streets to the degree we do today).

[TSA]

Yeah, should have already thrown him in the gulag because the kids said so.

A teacher at the school told the Miami Herald that Cruz, 19, had been identified as a potential threat to fellow students in the past. Math teacher Jim Gard says he believes the school administration had sent out an email warning teachers that Cruz had made threats against other teenagers in the past. Another student interviewed by the Miami Herald said Cruz was punished once for having bullet casings at school.

“We were told last year that he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack on him,” said Gard, who said Cruz had been in his class last year. “There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus.”

http://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article200094039.html?__twitter_impression=true

Don’t know how the fuck he got on to the campus knowing this.

[Chris]

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Trump hinting at possible proposed security measures. Reminds me of the casinos after the Vegas shootings.

[midnightpulp]

It was Democrats who led the way on the deinstitutionalization movement in favor of the current failed community health treatment approach so I don't understand how you are blaming conservatives for the current state of mental health treatment in this country.

JFK signed into law the Community Mental Health Centers Construction Act. Reagan, as governor of CA, signed into law the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act. Carter signed into law the 1980 Mental Health Systems Act, Reagan repealed it a year later with the Omnibus Act that cut funding there in favor of defense spending.

I know you're trying to hang it on Democrats because two of the authors of the LPS act were Dems, but conservative Democrats do exist, especially more-so in the 60s.

[Chris]

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[Blake]

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This guy having a gun concerns me

[Chris]

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Can't confirm because Laguna Beach Antifa twitter page is suspended.

I think we have a match.

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[TSA]

I think we have a match.

963950319284752384

I posted both pictures and even I don’t think that’s a match :rollin

[Chris]

I posted both pictures and even I don’t think that’s a match :rollin

Look at the brow. Gotta be him.

[hater]

He probably would have killed 1/2 a guy and a dog if he didnt have automatic weapon available tbqh

[DMX7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWBp1_dVQAAN96B.jpg:large

Killer has the same last name as Ted and radio silence from Ted.

[LkrFan]

This has happened more times than under any President I can remember. All you asshole who voted for Trump basically are accomplices. Fuck you all.

[DarrinS]

This has happened more times than under any President I can remember. All you asshole who voted for Trump basically are accomplices. Fuck you all.


So, I’m good then. Thanks

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWBp1_dVQAAN96B.jpg:large

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8

[Blake]

Look at the brow. Gotta be him.

Lol wanting so bad to be him.

[Chris]

:tu

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[Spurminator]

:tu

963942888055779328

We should talk about both.

[Blake]

We can also talk about how to stop guys like Aaron from getting shot

[Mark Celibate]

Just letting y’all know you’re not getting the guns.

[Blake]

Muh guns

[Chris]

5. Violent crime rates tracked by "Right-to-Carry" (RTC) States vs. non-RTC. RTC states are significantly safer:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IxqaFui1lRw/UOBwgLXJiVI/AAAAAAABEEY/C8NQf-sK174/s1600/121230-guns-010.jpg

4. Compared to 25 other "First World" (OECD) countries, the United States has very few robberies.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rFzfxQZqyG8/UOBwguzoEeI/AAAAAAABEEk/b3BBWjVPAfw/s1600/121230-guns-020.jpg

3. Compared to all other United Nations' members, the U.S. murder rate is extremely low (and far lower if you pull out "gun-free" zones like Chicago and Washington, D.C.).
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cOl_x7tfsYQ/UOBwhxG2ICI/AAAAAAABEEw/JeSYD8oxZi0/s1600/121230-guns-030.jpg

2. Gun ownership in the U.S. is literally off the charts, which validates Dr. John Lott: more guns yield less crime (or, as Heinlein put it, "An armed society is a polite society").
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OM-vWbmN-L4/UOBwiY676rI/AAAAAAABEE8/YgN4Cfe9YfU/s1600/121230-guns-040.jpg

1. And, finally, for global homicide rates, the United States ranks on the low end of the spectrum. And, again, if "gun-free" zones like Chicago, Washington, D.C., and New York City were pulled from the data, the U.S. would be among the safest countries on Earth.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W56iV57mPxg/UOBwjX0MLvI/AAAAAAABEFI/ns9hcgaOOT4/s1600/121230-guns-050.jpg

Bonus: From 2007-2010, if you wanted to avoid a mass-murder incident, domestic violence or general violent crime, you'd be far better off living in a right-to-carry state.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DBjQDHDW1EA/UOBwoK2-iPI/AAAAAAABEFU/clfLnmuaiO0/s1600/121230-guns-060.jpg


The Executive Summary:

Based on the crime data presented in this article — again, all the data come from countries and organizations supporting the most extreme forms of gun control — the gun-ban movement promotes a fatally flawed agenda whose outcome includes:

• More women raped;
• More blacks murdered;
• More people experiencing fear;
• More school children murdered;
• And the individual’s civil rights infringed.

If civilian disarmament is a righteous, caring agenda, why must gun-control advocates manipulate their own data to manufacture “proof” of its validity?

And what kind of empathetic people exploit the occasion of murdered children and a distraught public as the proper time to ask for support of their agenda?

We know precisely what kind of "empathetic people" exploit murdered children to pursue their Statist agenda. We call them "Democrats".

https://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-top-5-gun-control-graphs-their.html



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[LkrFan]

Fuck all you Trumpettes and the NRA.

[Chris]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jXQLUVDOhyo/hqdefault.jpg

[Blake]

5. Violent crime rates tracked by "Right-to-Carry" (RTC) States vs. non-RTC. RTC states are significantly safer:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IxqaFui1lRw/UOBwgLXJiVI/AAAAAAABEEY/C8NQf-sK174/s1600/121230-guns-010.jpg

4. Compared to 25 other "First World" (OECD) countries, the United States has very few robberies.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rFzfxQZqyG8/UOBwguzoEeI/AAAAAAABEEk/b3BBWjVPAfw/s1600/121230-guns-020.jpg

3. Compared to all other United Nations' members, the U.S. murder rate is extremely low (and far lower if you pull out "gun-free" zones like Chicago and Washington, D.C.).
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cOl_x7tfsYQ/UOBwhxG2ICI/AAAAAAABEEw/JeSYD8oxZi0/s1600/121230-guns-030.jpg

2. Gun ownership in the U.S. is literally off the charts, which validates Dr. John Lott: more guns yield less crime (or, as Heinlein put it, "An armed society is a polite society").
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OM-vWbmN-L4/UOBwiY676rI/AAAAAAABEE8/YgN4Cfe9YfU/s1600/121230-guns-040.jpg

1. And, finally, for global homicide rates, the United States ranks on the low end of the spectrum. And, again, if "gun-free" zones like Chicago, Washington, D.C., and New York City were pulled from the data, the U.S. would be among the safest countries on Earth.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W56iV57mPxg/UOBwjX0MLvI/AAAAAAABEFI/ns9hcgaOOT4/s1600/121230-guns-050.jpg

Bonus: From 2007-2010, if you wanted to avoid a mass-murder incident, domestic violence or general violent crime, you'd be far better off living in a right-to-carry state.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DBjQDHDW1EA/UOBwoK2-iPI/AAAAAAABEFU/clfLnmuaiO0/s1600/121230-guns-060.jpg



https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o6Zthv4W72jUHRCUg/giphy.gif

directorblue.blogspot.

Neat

[DMX7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8

Family Values

https://usaherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/cruz.png

[Spurminator]

NRA/InfoWars Crew putting in overtime after a shooting per usual.

[Mark Celibate]

Shall not be infringed guys

[Blake]

Shall not be infringed guys

Muh militia

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/27750608_1637540196294851_2707950751919737644_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=732eaf9f49528107aef060c53cdb0222&oe=5B17C4D8

[Mark Celibate]

SHALL.

[Chris]

Huck

963991647200661505

[midnightpulp]

5. Violent crime rates tracked by "Right-to-Carry" (RTC) States vs. non-RTC. RTC states are significantly safer:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IxqaFui1lRw/UOBwgLXJiVI/AAAAAAABEEY/C8NQf-sK174/s1600/121230-guns-010.jpg

4. Compared to 25 other "First World" (OECD) countries, the United States has very few robberies.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rFzfxQZqyG8/UOBwguzoEeI/AAAAAAABEEk/b3BBWjVPAfw/s1600/121230-guns-020.jpg

3. Compared to all other United Nations' members, the U.S. murder rate is extremely low (and far lower if you pull out "gun-free" zones like Chicago and Washington, D.C.).
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cOl_x7tfsYQ/UOBwhxG2ICI/AAAAAAABEEw/JeSYD8oxZi0/s1600/121230-guns-030.jpg

2. Gun ownership in the U.S. is literally off the charts, which validates Dr. John Lott: more guns yield less crime (or, as Heinlein put it, "An armed society is a polite society").
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OM-vWbmN-L4/UOBwiY676rI/AAAAAAABEE8/YgN4Cfe9YfU/s1600/121230-guns-040.jpg

1. And, finally, for global homicide rates, the United States ranks on the low end of the spectrum. And, again, if "gun-free" zones like Chicago, Washington, D.C., and New York City were pulled from the data, the U.S. would be among the safest countries on Earth.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W56iV57mPxg/UOBwjX0MLvI/AAAAAAABEFI/ns9hcgaOOT4/s1600/121230-guns-050.jpg

Bonus: From 2007-2010, if you wanted to avoid a mass-murder incident, domestic violence or general violent crime, you'd be far better off living in a right-to-carry state.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DBjQDHDW1EA/UOBwoK2-iPI/AAAAAAABEFU/clfLnmuaiO0/s1600/121230-guns-060.jpg



https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o6Zthv4W72jUHRCUg/giphy.gif

We're actually not on the "low end of the spectrum" concerning intentional homicide rate. We rank 94th out of 219 surveyed countries in that regard, which puts us in the top 42 percent, meaning our murder rate is well above average. Furthermore, we're the most violent "1st world country" (HDI >.850) by a good margin. I think that's an unacceptable standard to accept for the richest country in human history that has positioned itself as the proverbial shining light upon the hill. Our endeavor here shouldn't be to be less violent than Niger, it should be to be less violent than Norway.

The "bonus graph" has too much noise to be taken seriously and is arbitrarily broken up into 5 year periods to make a case. If you track the trend over the full ten years, there's little difference in the mass shooting rate between RTC and non-RTC states.

That said, "more gun control!" indeed simplifies the issue and probably will fail at getting our murder rate down to an acceptable first world level. As Spurraider hinted at, it'll take a multifaceted approach that addresses mental health care, the criminalization of petty, non-violent drug offenses, poverty, and reasonable gun control reform (I think 21 should be the minimum age for firearm ownership, as well as the minimum age to join the military. There's a mountain of evidence that the pre-frontal cortex, which regulates impulse control, mood, and long term planning, isn't fully developed until 25).

[Chris]

We're actually not on the "low end of the spectrum" concerning intentional homicide rate. We rank 94th out of 219 surveyed countries in that regard, which puts us in the top 42 percent, meaning our murder rate is well above average. Furthermore, we're the most violent "1st world country" (HDI >.850) by a good margin. I think that's an unacceptable standard to accept for the richest country in human history that has positioned itself as the proverbial shining light upon the hill. Our endeavor here shouldn't be to be less violent than Niger, it should be to less violent than Norway.

The "bonus graph" has too much noise to be taken seriously and is arbitrarily broken up into 5 year periods to make a case. If you track the trend over the full ten years, there's little difference in the mass shooting rate between RTC and non-RTC states.

That said, "more gun control!" indeed simplifies the issue and probably will fail at getting our murder rate down to an acceptable first world level. As Spurraider hinted at, it'll take a multifaceted approach that addresses mental health care, the criminalization of petty, non-violent drug offenses, poverty, and reasonable gun control reform (I think 21 should be the minimum age for firearm ownership, as well as the minimum age to join the military. There's a mountain of evidence that the pre-frontal cortex, which regulates impulse control, mood, and long term planning, isn't fully developed until 25).

I bet if you eliminated the gun free zones like Chicago, Washington, New York etc.. that rank and percentage rate would change drastically. I agree with everything else you said, and I read a similar study that the brain isn't completely developed until 25 years of age and things like prescription drugs even Cannabis can stunt that growth. Those graphs are pretty old...I will try to find something more recent.

[Mark Celibate]

If raising the age to buy a gun to 21 was all people wanted to do then we could probably get that done, wouldn’t help the gun crime rates by very much but it might make people feel better. The problem is that no one on the left would be satisfied with that. It has to do with phallic symbols and penis envy. Feminists and their cuck allies hate gun ownership in its entirety. They want the state to be the bull in the relationship.

[ducks]

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[Pavlov]

Trumpistas circling the wagons for what reason tonight?

[Chris]

963984366060883968

[Blake]

"Sheriff Israel*said*Cruz was armed with an AR-15 rifle and “countless magazines.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/14/17013596/parkland-florida-high-school-shooting

No way.....not an AR-15 rifle that mows down people but isn't an assault rifle.

Fucking shit

[Pavlov]

963984366060883968Dude's triggered.

[Blake]

963984366060883968

The mental health angle is so fucking weak

[Chris]

"Sheriff Israel*said*Cruz was armed with an AR-15 rifle and “countless magazines.”

No way.....not an AR-15 rifle that mows down people but isn't am assault rifle.

Fucking shit

Imagine if the ar-15 had a silencer on it.

[Blake]

Imagine if the ar-15 had a silencer on it.

Yeah. Imagine if he didn't have an ar-15

[boutons_deux]

Kimmel writer quotes every GOP lawmaker’s post-Florida ‘thoughts and prayers’ tweet — and how much money they took from the NRA


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/812167800831741952/DEG5AL2n_bigger.jpgBess Kalb (https://twitter.com/bessbell)
(https://twitter.com/bessbell)✔@bessbell (https://twitter.com/bessbell)

In the 2015-2016 election cycle alone, GOP candidates took $17,385,437 from the NRA. https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/963891127169572865 … (https://t.co/mhyQZ9vtli)






(https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/963931864317612032)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/812167800831741952/DEG5AL2n_bigger.jpgBess Kalb (https://twitter.com/bessbell)


(https://twitter.com/bessbell)✔@bessbell (https://twitter.com/bessbell)


This is NOT counting the $21 million given to President Trump.
6:24 PM - Feb 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/963931864317612032)



Congressman Ken Buck (https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck)
(https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck)✔@RepKenBuck (https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck)


I'm devastated to hear about the tragedy in Florida. Praying today for the students and all those impacted.
3:40 PM - Feb 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck/status/963890748990152706)






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/812167800831741952/DEG5AL2n_bigger.jpgBess Kalb (https://twitter.com/bessbell)


(https://twitter.com/bessbell)✔@bessbell (https://twitter.com/bessbell)


$800,544 from the NRA. https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck/status/963890748990152706 … (https://t.co/ZfrdCCc0jB)
5:38 PM - Feb 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/963920347459239936)

etc


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/kimmel-writer-quotes-every-gop-lawmakers-post-florida-thoughts-prayers-tweet-much-money-took-nra/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Chris]

963967050828976128

[Chris]

963980324941287424

[Pavlov]

Damn, Republicans everywhere triggered hard. Gorka even went a minute without saying "Obamagate."

[midnightpulp]

I bet if you eliminated the gun free zones like Chicago, Washington, New York etc.. that rank and percentage rate would change drastically. I agree with everything else you said, and I read a similar study that the brain isn't completely developed until 25 years of age and things like prescription drugs even Cannabis can stunt that growth. Those graphs are pretty old...I will try to find something more recent.

New York's murder rate at 3.4 is well below the national average of 4.8. Chicago's murder is indeed high at 18, but it's actually the lowest it's been since 1985 (was there strict gun control in Chicago in 1985)? Like I said, pointing to guns/gun control as the catalyst for the high murder rates or arming more citizens (legally) as the solution to curb said murder rate oversimplifies the issue. During Prohibition, Chicago's murder rate was 15, and I doubt there was anything resembling modern leftist gun control in the city at the time. As you can see, the one constant factor in any violence stricken city is the fight over the illegal drug trade (from Juarez, Mexico to Chicago, Ill.) Hell, the 1980s crack epidemic turned urban LA into Beirut. Murder rate in LA has fallen drastically since crack is no longer the problem it once was.

So again, the solution is multifold. Better mental health treatment that address troubled individuals who might potentially act out and that addresses addiction (how many people are killed in robberies by desperate addicts? Also, less addicts=less consumers of illicit drugs=less market share to kill each other over). Drug criminalization reform. Poverty reform. And gun control reform. Someone like Stephen Paddock shouldn't have had access to an arsenal. I'm sure he was mentally stable when he collected most of those guns, but the brain is a fragile thing (especially when you reach an advanced age where dementia can strike), so that's why I think routine mental health checkups for gun owners makes sense.

[Blake]

Kimmel writer quotes every GOP lawmaker’s post-Florida ‘thoughts and prayers’ tweet — and how much money they took from the NRA


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/812167800831741952/DEG5AL2n_bigger.jpgBess Kalb (https://twitter.com/bessbell)
(https://twitter.com/bessbell)✔@bessbell (https://twitter.com/bessbell)

In the 2015-2016 election cycle alone, GOP candidates took $17,385,437 from the NRA. https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/963891127169572865 … (https://t.co/mhyQZ9vtli)






(https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/963931864317612032)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/812167800831741952/DEG5AL2n_bigger.jpgBess Kalb (https://twitter.com/bessbell)


(https://twitter.com/bessbell)✔@bessbell (https://twitter.com/bessbell)


This is NOT counting the $21 million given to President Trump.
6:24 PM - Feb 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/963931864317612032)



Congressman Ken Buck (https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck)
(https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck)✔@RepKenBuck (https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck)


I'm devastated to hear about the tragedy in Florida. Praying today for the students and all those impacted.
3:40 PM - Feb 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck/status/963890748990152706)






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/812167800831741952/DEG5AL2n_bigger.jpgBess Kalb (https://twitter.com/bessbell)


(https://twitter.com/bessbell)✔@bessbell (https://twitter.com/bessbell)


$800,544 from the NRA. https://twitter.com/RepKenBuck/status/963890748990152706 … (https://t.co/ZfrdCCc0jB)
5:38 PM - Feb 14, 2018 (https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/963920347459239936)

etc


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/kimmel-writer-quotes-every-gop-lawmakers-post-florida-thoughts-prayers-tweet-much-money-took-nra/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29










This should surprise no one.

And no gun toter cares

[Spurminator]

Maybe we should ask every other first world country how they've managed to basically eliminate mental health issues, since we won't listen to them about gun control.

[DMX7]

New York's murder rate at 3.4 is well below the national average of 4.8. Chicago's murder is indeed high at 18, but it's actually the lowest it's been since 1985 (was there strict gun control in Chicago in 1985)? Like I said, pointing to guns/gun control as the catalyst for the high murder rates or arming more citizens (legally) as the solution to curb said murder rate oversimplifies the issue. During Prohibition, Chicago's murder rate was 15, and I doubt there was anything resembling modern leftist gun control in the city at the time. As you can see, the one constant factor in any violence stricken city is the fight over the illegal drug trade (from Juarez, Mexico to Chicago, Ill.) Hell, the 1980s crack epidemic turned urban LA into Beirut. Murder rate in LA has fallen drastically since crack is no longer the problem it once was.

So again, the solution is multifold. Better mental health treatment that address troubled individuals who might potentially act out and that addresses addiction (how many people are killed in robberies by desperate addicts? Also, less addicts=less consumers of illicit drugs=less market share to kill each other over). Drug criminalization reform. Poverty reform. And gun control reform. Someone like Stephen Paddock shouldn't have had access to an arsenal. I'm sure he was mentally stable when he collected most of those guns, but the brain is a fragile thing (especially when you reach an advanced age where dementia can strike), so that's why I think routine mental health checkups for gun owners makes sense.

Let's also not forget that local gun control laws are totally undermined by the fact that you can easily bring in guns from other cities or states. It's not like cities or states have some type of border check where they can stop a mass inflow of guns from other places within the U.S.

[ducks]

Yeah. Imagine if he didn't have an ar-15

Imagine if he made a bomb

[DarrinS]

I suppose he could’ve rented a large moving van/truck and waited until school was out.

[boutons_deux]

"Let's also not forget that local gun control laws are totally undermined ..."

yep, gun fellators think we are stupid enough to believe municipal or state gun regs should be abolished because they don't work

America's gun psychopathy is incurable, because BigGun, a BigPlayer in the oligarchy, makes policy to protect/enhance its profits by buying Repug whores.

[Pavlov]

I suppose he could’ve rented a large moving van/truck and waited until school was out.Darrin is so blasé about schools shootings.

Ho hum, amirite?

[Blake]

Imagine if he made a bomb

Probably killed more people using the ar15

[midnightpulp]

The mental health angle is so fucking weak

It's legit, but coming from their mouths it's indeed weak, since they're using it as a shallow deflection. We all know they have zero intent on putting that precious tax dollar toward any kind of mental health reform. Furthermore, mental health reform would require an "evil" socialized system, since typically mentally ill individuals are unable to work and thus don't have or can't afford insurance. Case in point. I read a story today about a woman who tried to get help for a mental health issue, was refused because she didn't have insurance, and then wound up killing her 3 year old child.

Here's where the money's going:


According to the Legislative Analyst’s Office, in 2010, the state spent about $40,000 a year to keep a person incarcerated. A report compiled by Governing magazine shows that for the same year, the state spent about $152 per person for mental health issues.

[Pavlov]

Probably killed more people using the ar15Well he was part of the fertilizer militia, so there's nothing stopping him from making truck bombs.

[DarrinS]

Darrin is so blasé about schools shootings.

Ho hum, amirite?


Soft target

[Chris]

New York's murder rate at 3.4 is well below the national average of 4.8. Chicago's murder is indeed high at 18, but it's actually the lowest it's been since 1985 (was there strict gun control in Chicago in 1985)? Like I said, pointing to guns/gun control as the catalyst for the high murder rates or arming more citizens (legally) as the solution to curb said murder rate oversimplifies the issue. During Prohibition, Chicago's murder rate was 15, and I doubt there was anything resembling modern leftist gun control in the city at the time. As you can see, the one constant factor in any violence stricken city is the fight over the illegal drug trade (from Juarez, Mexico to Chicago, Ill.) Hell, the 1980s crack epidemic turned urban LA into Beirut. Murder rate in LA has fallen drastically since crack is no longer the problem it once was.

So again, the solution is multifold. Better mental health treatment that address troubled individuals who might potentially act out and that addresses addiction (how many people are killed in robberies by desperate addicts? Also, less addicts=less consumers of illicit drugs=less market share to kill each other over). Drug criminalization reform. Poverty reform. And gun control reform. Someone like Stephen Paddock shouldn't have had access to an arsenal. I'm sure he was mentally stable when he collected most of those guns, but the brain is a fragile thing (especially when you reach an advanced age where dementia can strike), so that's why I think routine mental health checkups for gun owners makes sense.

That's a lot of reform and government regulation tbh

While I agree illicit drugs and gun violence are mostly intertwined, I think it's more important to go to the source of the madness. Who flooded the streets and the projects with crack cocaine in the 80's? Who's flooding the streets with heroin now utilizing Afghanistan's abundant poppy fields? If you dig into it, it always comes back to the CIA, and it doesn't require a tin foil hat. If we are being undermined from the top, any kind of multi-fold solution will prove fruitless. Until the Deep State is purged, the only solution is a well armed and informed public. Armed security at schools is a great start imo.

[DarrinS]

Probably killed more people using the ar15

The Nice attack killed 86 people.

[Pavlov]

Soft targetHo-hum. We should do absolutely nothing because Darrin thought of another way a dude could kill people.

[DarrinS]

Ho-hum. We should do absolutely nothing because Darrin thought of another way a dude could kill people.

What should we do? Be specific

[Spurminator]

We're just going to keep bringing up the car-related mass killings like there's one of those for every mass shooting, aren't we?

[Spurminator]

January 31, 2028: "America suffered its 100th school shooting of the year today..."
Darrin: "Remember when that guy in France mowed down people with a van though?"

[Pavlov]

What should we do? Be specificNo. Discussion over. You said 19 year old kids will just make enormous truck bombs and we have to let them kill people with guns.

[Mark Celibate]

Sounds like this could have been prevented with common sense immigration laws.

[DarrinS]

We're just going to keep bringing up the car-related mass killings like there's one of those for every mass shooting, aren't we?

The point is that if some deranged SOB wants to kill people, there are numerous ways.

[DarrinS]

No. Discussion over. You said 19 year old kids will just make enormous truck bombs and we have to let them kill people with guns.

Nope. You can just run them over.

[Chris]

The point is that if some deranged SOB wants to kill people, there are numerous ways.

Amazing you have to spell it out for them. :lol They don't understand when their arguments have holes, and that there are numerous ways to convey that. :lol

[Spurminator]

The point is that if some deranged SOB wants to kill people, there are numerous ways.

I see you've read your "5 Arguments Against Gun Control" brochure for new NRA members.

Why does this happen so much more in the US than anywhere else, Darrin?

In countries where it is harder to get assault weapons, are there more mass-murders-by-car?

[Pavlov]

The point is that if some deranged SOB wants to kill people, there are numerous ways.Walk me through how a 19 year old makes a Paris type truck bomb.

[Chris]

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[DarrinS]

Walk me through how a 19 year old makes a Paris type truck bomb.

Accelerator pedal

[Chris]

963978465534988288

[Pavlov]

Accelerator pedalAh. That one.

So because he can drive, we should do nothing about guns.

Even more solid.

[Pavlov]

963978465534988288Why is everyone so afraid to talk about guns?

[DarrinS]

Ah. That one.

So because he can drive, we should do nothing about guns.

Even more solid.


What should be done about guns? Be specific

[Chris]

Why is everyone so afraid to talk about guns?

I'm not afraid, let's talk about guns. Darrin's question would be a good start^

[Spurminator]

963978465534988288

Meanwhile, in Austria, Australia, and Germany, they've banned anti-depressants, banned violent entertainment, banned social media and enforced traditional family laws.

[Proxy]

antifa shirt!

Lol, that shirt has been around for over a decade

[Pavlov]

What should be done about guns? Be specificIt would probably have to start with talking about them.

But "it's not the time for that."

[midnightpulp]

Nope. You can just run them over.

You're making a false equivalence. An assault weapon is a far more efficient killing machine than a vehicle. Has there ever been a vehicular homicide case that claimed over 20 victims? You're correct about bombs, though. McVeigh. That disgruntled teacher in the 20s that blew up his school. And yeah, civilians shouldn't have easy access to bomb making materials and equipment, either.

[Spurminator]

It would probably have to start with talking about them.

But "it's not the time for that."

Never the time for that, according to The Dickey Amendment.

[Pavlov]

What should be done about guns? Be specificBackground checks for every purchase and computerized records would be a good start. Don't know if it would've stopped this shooting but you gotta start somewhere.

[DarrinS]

Background checks for every purchase and computerized records would be a good start. Don't know if it would've stopped this shooting but you gotta start somewhere.

I noticed that you edited your hyper-partisan snarky answer.

[Pavlov]

I noticed that you edited your hyper-partisan snarky answer.What did I say before, Darrin?

And lol you calling anyone hyper-partisan snarky.

But now is not the time to talk about guns.

[Spurminator]

Every time an illegal immigrant commits a violent crime we have 150 congressmen and every Fox News viewer in the country screaming about immigration reform. But those same people don't ever want to talk about guns after a mass shooting.

[TSA]

You're making a false equivalence. An assault weapon is a far more efficient killing machine than a vehicle. Has there ever been a vehicular homicide case that claimed over 20 victims? You're correct about bombs, though. McVeigh. That disgruntled teacher in the 20s that blew up his school. And yeah, civilians shouldn't have easy access to bomb making materials and equipment, either.

Seriously? Nice, France. 86 dead 400+ wounded.

[Chris]

uh oh Chelsea decided to open his/her big yapper

964013906023911424

[midnightpulp]

That's a lot of reform and government regulation tbh

While I agree illicit drugs and gun violence are mostly intertwined, I think it's more important to go to the source of the madness. Who flooded the streets and the projects with crack cocaine in the 80's? Who's flooding the streets with heroin now utilizing Afghanistan's abundant poppy fields? If you dig into it, it always comes back to the CIA, and it doesn't require a tin foil hat. If we are being undermined from the top, any kind of multi-fold solution will prove fruitless. Until the Deep State is purged, the only solution is a well armed and informed public. Armed security at schools is a great start imo.

Not really. I have a Libertarian position toward prohibition (which as an anti-statist, I'm sure you'll agree with). It's "criminal" to fill our prisons with non-violent drug offenders and addicts just so the Prison Industrial Complex can make a profit (from your tax dollars. It costs 40K per year to house an inmate). Mental health reform will indeed have to be introduced by the government via a tax funded social program, because otherwise, who is going to pay for it? Charities? :lol

My gun control solution is a little intervention-y, but I think the right and privilege to own a killing machine needs to come with an increased responsibility level on part of the owner. How in the holy hell are obviously mentally troubled individuals like Paddock, Cho, Lanza, Holmes getting access to LEGAL guns? That's where routine mental health checkups every few months make logical sense. The Lanza case, for instance. Both him and his mother were obviously mentally unstable, but she owned a safe full of legal firearms Adam had easy access to. A "responsible" gun owner should never let someone like an Adam Lanza have access to a weapon.

[DMX7]

uh oh Chelsea decided to open his/her big yapper

964013906023911424
Why does Fox News care so much about what Chelsea Handler has to say?

The answer is because they know how stupid and triggered clowns like you get anytime a celebrity decides to drop some truth bombs on the subject.

[boutons_deux]

But those same people don't ever want to talk about guns after a mass shooting.

... by all-American white guys.

[Pavlov]

Fox News and it's viewers are so easily triggered.

[Chucho]

Probably chuchus relative :lol

It sucks because he is.

[Chris]

Not really. I have a Libertarian position toward prohibition (which as an anti-statist, I'm sure you'll agree with). It's "criminal" to fill our prisons with non-violent drug offenders and addicts just so the Prison Industrial Complex can make a profit (from your tax dollars. It costs 40K per year to house an inmate). Mental health reform will indeed have to be introduced by the government via a tax funded social program, because otherwise, who is going to pay for it? Charities? :lol

I wanted to mention the corrupt prison system as well, but I figured it was redundant and common knowledge at this point. Colorado set the blueprint by eliminating cannabis prohibition, although it still remains illegal on the Federal level. Texas is seeking to issue tickets instead of jail time/probation(another money making scheme) for minor cannabis offenders. This will clean up the overcrowded jails and eliminate risks for understaffed prisons. (a major problem in the U.S.) Appropriation of funds for the services you mentioned would be easy if we ever decided to pull out of the Middle East. Dinosaurs like Jeff Sessions with antiquated views on these kinds of issues has me concerned.

[Chris]

MSNBC and it's viewers are so easily triggered.

fify

[Will Hunting]

:tu

963942888055779328
:lmao I’m sure your prayer is making a ton of difference right now

[midnightpulp]

Seriously? Nice, France. 86 dead 400+ wounded.

Yeah, forgot about that, but generally, vehicular ramming incidents don't seem as effective in carrying out mass murder as using a firearm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack

I've only counted two incidents with more than 10 casualties.

I also think vehicles vs. guns is a false equivalence because even if vehicular incidents reached an epidemic level, I don't see it as hypocritical to call for gun control but not "vehicle control," since the latter is essential to living in a modern 1st world country. A gun, unless you're an off-the-grid mountain man, really isn't. I get your point of contention, and I agree. The more moonbat Liberals seem to zero on guns and guns only out of spiting their conservative counterparts, and it's a childish tactic, but I don't think reevaluating the gun control situation in this country is unreasonable.

[DMX7]

:lmao I’m sure your prayer is making a ton of difference right now

No, no, no... not just his prayers, his thoughts AND his prayers. That's like almost as effective as strict universal background checks.

[boutons_deux]

"The more moonbat Liberals seem to zero on guns and guns only out of spiting their conservative counterparts, and it's a childish tactic,"

300M+ guns, including 1000s of service weapons lost by fucking cops every year, IS the problem, because guns are much more effective in killing people, or oneself, than any other method.

Anything other than guns is a distant secondary, my child

but anyway, in shithole America, guns are here to stay, because Repug whores are so cheap to buy.

[DMX7]

Seriously? Nice, France. 86 dead 400+ wounded.

You list the number of 1st degree vehicular homicides that have claimed 15+ lives and I'll list the number of homicides carried out with a gun (or guns) that have claimed 15+ lives and we'll see whose list is longer. K?

[Chris]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWDXvutVQAYLFT1.jpg:large

[ElNono]

hmmm, looks white, didn't get killed... probably 'mental health', right?

[Pavlov]

fifyWe were triggered by a shooting at a high school that took 17 lives.

You were triggered by the thought of people talking about guns after a shooting at a high school that took 17 lives.

[Splits]

hmmm, looks white, didn't get killed... probably 'mental health', right?

not white, he's one of yours, mexican.

[Splits]

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[Pavlov]

964041864939819008lol,"continue"

[ElNono]

not white, he's one of yours, mexican.

build that wall

[boutons_deux]

18 school shootings in the 6 weeks of 2018

America the shithole

[Brazil]

Good job voting in Globalist Macron over Le Pen. Have fun with the Muslim hordes. Bend over for Merkel Pleb.

:lol yeah at least he is not a total idiot who thinks cigarets don't kill, climate change is a chinese hoax... and spends his time lying

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Budget Cuts Millions Of Dollars From Gun Background Check System

This would “significantly undermine” efforts to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, gun control advocates say.

President Donald Trump (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/topic/donald-trump)’s newly unveiled budget would cut millions of dollars from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which gun dealers use to verify if someone is banned from buying a gun before selling it to them.

Buried on Page 719 of his fiscal year 2019 budget (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/appendix-fy2019.pdf), released Monday, the president calls for cuts to the National Criminal Records History Improvement Program and the NICS Act Record Improvement Program.

Both provide federal grants to states to help them improve their reporting of criminal records and protection orders to the national database for background checks, including domestic violence records.

The two programs are currently funded at $73 million. Trump’s budget proposal for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1 would slash their funding to $61 million, which amounts to a 16 percent cut.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-nra-gun-safety-background-checks_us_5a84abdee4b0774f31d1b770?utm_medium=emai l&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__021518&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__021518+CID_7dd6260a 029d436f4995b9d1f79871fc&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=would%20cut%20millions&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__021518

And still, along with 100s of other spending cuts, the oligarchy's tax cut increases national debt by $1.5T.

[AaronY]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB_K5VW4AgXifh?format=jpg

[Trill Clinton]

y'all still thinking and praying or nah?

[clambake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB_K5VW4AgXifh?format=jpg

thats hilarious!

[Mark Celibate]

Good morning guys, you’re still not getting the guns.#SHALLNOT

[rjv]

:lol using armed veterans at schools is a new level of retarded

”IM GETTING FALLUJAH FLASHBACKS...BETTER SHOOT ALL THESE KIDS AT RECESS!”

yeah, let's put someone with PTSD, with a weapon, in our schools .

[rjv]

righ-wing paranoids still posturing that some governmental entity is going to barge into their home and confiscate their weapons

[spurraider21]

The point is that if some deranged SOB wants to kill people, there are numerous ways.
True. But why do we have significantly more mass shootings than we do mass truck attacks, mass stabbings, mass bombings combined?

[Spurminator]

True. But why do we have significantly more mass shootings than we do mass truck attacks, mass stabbings, mass bombings combined?

And why don't more truck/knife/bomb attacks happen in countries that don't have a mass shooting problem?

[boutons_deux]

But Of course

Ted Cruz Calls For Inaction After School Shooting: ‘Evil is Sadly Always Present

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ted-cruz-calls-for-inaction-after-school-shooting-evil-is-sadly-always-present/

Beto for Senate

There was a racist SC rep on NPR this morning pushing for "fortress schools", at Taxpayers' expense, with superb 2ndary effect of taking money from education, a top Repug objective, destroying public education

[rjv]

lol at politicians favorite metaphysical ploy. the good old 'evil' spin.

[whitemamba]

White person shooting ... must be s mental health issue. Prayers to the victims families this is shameful