Exclusive: Trump looking to erect tent cities to house unaccompanied children

[spurraider21]

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nope i was assured clinton wanted open borders

[DarrinS]

I didn't hear you complaining when Obama was deporting record numbers of border crossers, but it is absolutely true that Dems were complaining less about child immigrants then.

Part of the reason they're complaining now is because their guy isn't in the White House anymore.

Part of the reason is that DJT/Jeff Sessions have changed immigration policy in a way that is particularly cruel to families.


If I ever complained about it then, it was merely pointing out hypocrisy. There’s suddenly fake outrage about a situation that has existed years before DJT was president.

[boutons_deux]

nope i was assured clinton wanted open borders

If you search that HRC sentence, it's ALL OVER the right wing racist, hate media echo chamber, posobiec, daily caller, washington moonie times, etc.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-deportation-border-immigrants-217210

Did Hillary also say that children should be separated from their parents? What does Jack "pizza gate rat fucker" Posobiec say?

[Winehole23]

If I ever complained about it then, it was merely pointing out hypocrisy. There’s suddenly fake outrage about a situation that has existed years before DJT was president.there's been a rash of that, but i think the outrage is justified even if it happens to be hypocritical. The policy is that bad.

[ducks]

If you search that HRC sentence, it's ALL OVER the right wing racist, hate media echo chamber, posobiec, daily caller, washington moonie times, etc.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-deportation-border-immigrants-217210

Did Hillary also say that children should be separated from their parents? What does Jack "pizza gate rat fucker" Posobiec say?

DO YOU THINK CHILDREN SHOULD BE KILLED ? if you are for abortation you do

[ducks]

there's been a rash of that, but i think the outrage is justified this time.

get them a trial then in 7 days and if they can stay stay if NOT GET THE HELL OUT WITH THEM AND THEIR MOMMY AND DADDY

[ducks]

building the wall will make them use ports and not get separated if they claim ayslym

[Winehole23]

seven days?

that's a quick turnaround.

[boutons_deux]

...

[Winehole23]

are you sure there are enough administrative courts and gmen dedicated to the task? enough for profit prisons?

[boutons_deux]

" situation that has existed years before"

You Lie

asylum seekers crossing the border were not immediately criminalized, jailed as criminals, and their kids separated.

[Winehole23]

building the wall will make them use ports and not get separated if they claim ayslymsearch terms: Rick Perry, ladders

[Winehole23]

seven days entry to exit, if it could approximate due process, would be amazing.

[DarrinS]

there's been a rash of that, but i think the outrage is justified even if it happens to be hypocritical. The policy is that bad.

What should be done about it?

[Winehole23]

Hard call, for DJT.

GOP voters love it.

[Winehole23]

if the GOP eases off, they will alienate the people they love, and fail to pacify the people they hate.

What's the angle for DJT?

[Winehole23]

my money's on more cruelty to foreigners. it seems to be a very powerful selling point.

[DarrinS]

I’m guessing these detention centers are way more luxurious than the desert

[DarrinS]

But, I’m sure we’ve gone from best immigration policies evah to dislodging suckling babies and throwing them in the Rio Grande. :lol

[Winehole23]

how kind of you to consider the conditions of detention

your tender feelings for humanity have been noted.

[DarrinS]

Drumpf admin full of Nazis and Rooshians, even though those two groups hated each other. Drumpf doing Putin’s bidding by enforcing laws already on the books.

[boutons_deux]

Family Separation, Evil Via Policy and The Internal Contradictions of Trumpism

It is clear from lower court decisions in recent weeks that

if the goal beyond family separation is deterrence or punishment the policy has serious legal and constitutional problems.

The problem for the administration is that

the highest ranking members of the executive branch (Trump, Sessions and others) have already stated explicitly that the aim is deterrence.
This is not just sloppiness or indiscipline.

The essence of Trumpism is dominance and punishment of those outside the tribal fold.

It is probably even wrong to call this a policy of deterrence.

It’s a policy of punishment.

At the most basic level folks like

Miller, Sessions, Trump want to show they are kicking ass at the border, against lawless non-white people.

They want to do it and

they want to show they are doing it.

For them doing it doesn’t matter unless you show it.

It’s what a TPM Reader identified as

the essence of Trumpism: ‘performative cruelty (https://twitter.com/Pteratorn/status/994760709732028417)‘.

if you say that is the point, which they have repeatedly, you get in trouble in the courts.

You can commit all manner of evil with the federal government simply by making a series of discretionary decisions which lead inevitably to unconscionable, evil results. (There’s a strong parallel here to the administration’s Muslim ban.) But

if you say the cruelty is awesome, that you’re doing it on purpose, a different scaffolding of law kicks into action.

For base Trumpists: family separation for the bad people is simply awesome.

For other pro-Trump Republicans: evil against children may not be okay, but abusing Democrats works.

So for them, no defense of family separation as such, but stick it on the Democrats.

Blaming the opponents of your policy for policy is perverse, nasty and thus awesome.

What we’ve seen this weekend is that evil practiced on children, by design, with quotes from senior administration officials floating around saying it’s great was just too much.

This created a sort of 10 car pile of contradictory BS answers.

It’s awesome.

The Democrats made us do it.

It’s not happening.

And here we are.

It is difficult to imagine this policy will survive the week in its current form, given this firestorm.

But

we should recognize how deeply embedded the need for these actions is in Trumpism.

This isn’t a byproduct.

Child separation as punishment, on display, was always a feature not a bug.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/family-separation-evil-via-policy-and-the-internal-contradictions-of-trumpism (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/family-separation-evil-via-policy-and-the-internal-contradictions-of-trumpism)

[Isitjustme?]

If I ever complained about it then, it was merely pointing out hypocrisy. There’s suddenly fake outrage about a situation that has existed years before DJT was president.

Oh so he didnt ramp it up drastically?

Also, no one actually cares about the kids theyre just pretending to?

[DarrinS]

Oh so he didnt ramp it up drastically?

Also, no one actually cares about the kids theyre just pretending to?

Fake outrage

[Winehole23]

DarrenS melted down.

[Isitjustme?]

Fake outrage

Lmao. Hope this rightwing childcaging derpiness this holds up through november. Its polling really well among independents

[DarrinS]

Lmao. Hope this rightwing childcaging derpiness this holds up through november. Its polling really well among independents

No cages. These Nazis are ripping babies from the tit and tossing them in the river.

Because Drumpf

[InRareForm]

1008843955407085574

Reaching. Foh

[dabom]

No cages. These Nazis are ripping babies from the tit and tossing them in the river.

Because Drumpf

Dude can you see yourself here. At least have the decency to call what this is. A f ing disgrace.

[DarrinS]

Re-post your outrage post about this same issue from 2008-2016.

[dabom]

Re-post your outrage post about this same issue from 2008-2016.

Families separating happens. Orange shit is making concentration camps you dumb fuck. :lmao

[dabom]

And then fucking lying to the American People. :lmao

But plead fealty to this grotesque fucking shit. :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

Re-post your outrage post about this same issue from 2008-2016.
WHEN THAT HAPPENED FROM ´08 TO ´16 EVERYBODY CRIED, EVEN OBOLUS!
BUT TRAMP DARES TO LAUGH ON EVERYONE OF US!

EET HERS MA FILLENS!

[dabom]

Mick dont even live in the US. What does he know?:lmao

[dabom]

Is the hill ya faggots die on? :lmao

[DarrinS]

Families separating happens. Orange shit is making concentration camps you dumb fuck. :lmao

Is that what’s happening?

Kind of diminishes actual concentration camps.

[dabom]

Is that what’s happening?

Kind of diminishes actual concentration camps.

No it doesn't. You faggot. Everyone has come out to denounce this deplorable shit. I'm not gonna name names. There's so fucking many and from both spectrums and you try to diminish the outrage. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Is that what’s happening?

Kind of diminishes actual concentration camps.I wonder how many US citizens were innocently swept into internment camps compared to what we're doing now.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-citizens-ice-20180427-htmlstory.html

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1510191908i/24396844.jpg (https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/19024407-d0wnload-the-train-to-crystal-city-pdf-audiobook-by-jan-jarboe-russell)

[Winehole23]

so yeah, there's a Texas connection.

[DarrinS]

Yeah, FDR policy during WWII isn’t applicable either.

[Winehole23]

why not, it's a historical precedent.

[DarrinS]

Just current msm narrative, tbh.

[Mikeanaro]

Mick dont even live in the US. What does he know?:lmao
IM ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING!
MY OPINION MATTERS!
IM A MIRACLE OF GOD!
HEAR MY ASS ROAR!

[dabom]

History is not applicable cause I said. :lol

[DarrinS]

It’s just like Nazi Germany. Sorry joos.

[Winehole23]

the faux technocratic, eugenicist 1920s was contemporaneous with massacres called race riots.

Adolf Hitler studied and admired contemporaneous US immigration policy.

[dabom]

I have yet to see you outraged at this shit happening in the US of A. :lmao

Instead talking about semantics.:lmao

[Winehole23]

before the 1920s, except for a few random anti-Chinese statutes, there was hardly any immigration law to speak of in the USA.

it was one of the coolest things about the US. I don't think people get this yet.

[DarrinS]

the faux technocratic, eugenicist 1920s was contemporaneous with massacres called race riots.

Adolf Hitler studied and admired the contemporaneous US immigration policy.


Who were the eugenics advocates of tha time period?

[Mikeanaro]

before the 1920s, except for a few random anti-Chinese statutes, there was hardly any immigration law to speak of in the USA.

it was one of the coolest things about the US. I don't think people get this yet.
100 years ago there was no cell phones either, people used to talk and pay attention, whats your point?
China had no overpopulation issues back then, it was so KEWL...

[Winehole23]

Who were the eugenics advocates of tha time period?white feminists and other enlightened white people, including not a few mens

[DarrinS]

Why is suddenly the media narrative?

[Winehole23]

100 years ago there was no cell phones either, people used to talk and pay attention, whats your point?
China had no overpopulation issues back then, it was so KEWL...we have no overpopulation issues now.

so-called western civilization is getting too old, not the other way around.

[Winehole23]

Why is suddenly the media narrative?BARELY ARTICULATE, BARELY GRAMMATICAL

[dabom]

BARELY ARTICULATE, BARELY GRAMMATICAL

Ducks-syndrome. :lol

[Winehole23]

DON"T KNOCK IT TIL U TRY IT

[Spurminator]

The Trump Administration stepped up a policy that was largely unenforced prior to this year, after specifically saying they were going to start enforcing it more thoroughly, and people still want to say this is how it's always been. Amazing, the acrobatics of the mind.

[AaronY]

If I ever complained about it then, it was merely pointing out hypocrisy. There’s suddenly fake outrage about a situation that has existed years before DJT was president.
Imagine the kind of echo chamber you have to be in to think no one really cares about these kids or is legitimately upset at how they are being treated

[Mikeanaro]

we have no overpopulation issues now.

so-called western civilization is getting too old, not the other way around.
Is not that bad, since the 20th century the world is kind of experimenting, too much to handle.

[AaronY]

Hell could be worse Chris probably thinks the Dems are going to take the blame for forcing the Republicans hands and making them do this lmao

[Spurminator]

Good summary of how immigration has been handled/criticized during the Bush-Obama-Trump administrations.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2018/06/18/trumps-zero-tolerance-policy-differs-ways-bush-obama-treated-immigrant-families

[Winehole23]

Is not that bad, since the 20th century the world is kind of experimenting, too much to handle.yeah, I think you're wrong about that.

you can't handle it, why generalize?

[ducks]

This picked up because trump getting more popular and the meeting with Kim
Media is trying to bring down the greatest president in our lifetime

[ducks]

"So I want to be clear on a couple of other things," Nielsen said. "The vast majority, vast, vast majority of children who are in the care of H.H.S. right now — 10,000 of the 12,000 — were sent here alone by their parents. That is when they were separated. So somehow we’ve conflated everything.

"But there is two separate issues. 10,000 of those currently in custody were sent by their parents with strangers to undertake a completely dangerous and deadly travel alone. We now care for them. We have high standards. We give them meals, we give them education, we give them medical care. There is videos, there is TVs, I visited the detention centers myself — that would be my answer to that question."

‘Not New’

[LkrFan]

1008399076654796800

SMFH

[Winehole23]

This picked up because trump getting more popular and the meeting with Kim
Media is trying to bring down the greatest president in our lifetimeyou're a pitiful toady, prison camps for children is a bad look regardless of who's president.

[spurraider21]

Good summary of how immigration has been handled/criticized during the Bush-Obama-Trump administrations.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2018/06/18/trumps-zero-tolerance-policy-differs-ways-bush-obama-treated-immigrant-families
:tu

[ducks]

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/geoffrey-dickens/2018/06/19/six-days-june-nets-flood-broadcasts-176-minutes-separated-kids

media
there was a report that this came out

[Winehole23]

my money's on more cruelty to foreigners. it seems to be a very powerful selling point.http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/392817-poll-trump-approval-rating-ties-highest-point-of-his-presidency

[Winehole23]

The goal for Miller and his team is to arm Trump with enough data and statistics by early September to show voters that he fulfilled his immigration promises — even without a border wall or any other congressional measure, said one Republican close to the White House.https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/18/trump-aides-plan-fresh-immigration-crackdowns-before-midterms-652246

[boutons_deux]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/392817-poll-trump-approval-rating-ties-highest-point-of-his-presidency

45%? AmeriKKKa is fucked and unfuckable.

Scary how fucked up, how racist, how xenophobic, homophobic, how sadisically cruel so many Americans are.

[Winehole23]

it's also scary how easily people forget that when the boss is an urbane technocrat with an FM radio voice and a magic D next to his name.

[boutons_deux]

it's also scary how easily people forget that when the boss is an urbane technocrat with an FM radio voice and a magic D next to his name.

False equivalence

[Winehole23]

not at all, Obama/Bush set the table for this

[Winehole23]

Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families in the past six weeks.

[boutons_deux]

not at all, Obama/Bush set the table for this

both faltered when criminalizing asylum seekers and separating children, which is the HUGE difference with the officially RACIST Trash, Kelly, Miller

[Mikeanaro]

yeah, I think you're wrong about that.

you can't handle it, why generalize?
Because Im not society, am I?
I think you are wrong at so many levels.

[boutons_deux]

'Where are the girls?' DHS chief shrugs, can't say where migrant girls and toddlers are held (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/18/1773057/--Where-are-the-girls-DHS-chief-shrugs-can-t-say-where-migrant-girls-and-toddlers-are-held)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/18/1773057/--Where-are-the-girls-DHS-chief-shrugs-can-t-say-where-migrant-girls-and-toddlers-are-held?detail=emaildkre

[Trill Clinton]

So ducks likes to pee on kids and also throw them in cages?

You're a sick individual

[RandomGuy]

pick and choose your interlocutors and your battles.

none of my beeswax

(mulls)

Seems to me that the days of decent conversations are over, and that goes both ways. Welcome to Trumps America.

[RandomGuy]

not at all, Obama/Bush set the table for this

Indeed. Both punted. now we have policy driven by a ghoulish troll, aka Miller. This is his doing, and the fact that it has such widespread support is a damning indictment of the Trump Party.

[RandomGuy]

not at all, Obama/Bush set the table for this

Although it is a false equivalence. The policy of "zero tolerance" is completely new, and beyond the scope of Golfy McBonespurs' predecessors.

[RandomGuy]

Drumpf admin full of Nazis and Rooshians, even though those two groups hated each other. Drumpf doing Putin’s bidding by enforcing laws already on the books.

That might be more credible if there weren't actual Nazis running on the Trump Party ticket in multiple places this fall. Another damning indictment of the GOTP

[RandomGuy]

If I ever complained about it then, it was merely pointing out hypocrisy. There’s suddenly fake outrage about a situation that has existed years before DJT was president.

Nothing fake about it. Wrong when Obama did it, wrong when anyone did it, but if you can't be honest enough to admit that the zero tolerance policy is both new and with the stated intent on punishing people and innocent children in an evil way as "deterrent" , then not much I can say. Never seen you care too much about the truth, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. You neither seek the truth out, nor speak it when given the chance.

[Winehole23]

Although it is a false equivalence. The policy of "zero tolerance" is completely new, and beyond the scope of Golfy McBonespurs' predecessors.The riot at the family detention facility in Raymondville, Tx., was in 2015.

[SnakeBoy]

Why is suddenly the media narrative?

You know the answer. Midterms just around the corner and the Dems don't have any policies to run on so it's time to cry and appeal to emotions.

[pgardn]

You know the answer. Midterms just around the corner and the Dems don't have any policies to run on so it's time to cry and appeal to emotions.

Stop Trump and his group of idiots.
Worked for MiTch The Turtle and the Rs.

[Spurminator]

You know the answer. Midterms just around the corner and the Dems don't have any policies to run on so it's time to cry and appeal to emotions.

"Stop separating families at the border" is a policy.

LOL at this post in support of the party that won with "Mexican gangs are flooding across the borders to kill you" and "We have to stop Muslims from coming to America or we're all gonna die."

Appeal to emotions is a time honored Republican tradition.

[Trill Clinton]

Why is suddenly the media narrative?

My guess is the pictures and videos of children in cages screaming for their parents?

[SnakeBoy]

My guess is the pictures and videos of children in cages screaming for their parents?

The ones from 2014?

[boutons_deux]

"Stop separating families at the border" is a policy.

LOL at this post in support of the party that won with "Mexican gangs are flooding across the borders to kill you" and "We have to stop Muslims from coming to America or we're all gonna die."

Appeal to emotions is a time honored Republican tradition.

Remember Paxton, Jimmy Ricky, Abbott, or some TX Repug asshole, claiming "narco-terrorists" were pouring across the TX-MX border.

I'll never forget, during Obama's time, The Old Lesbian from SC saying "Muslims and Ebola were coming to kill us all"

[Trill Clinton]

The ones from 2014?

No the ones from 2018

[Spurminator]

Since two pages later we're still talking about this like the same thing was happening under Obama, I will repost, despite my low confidence that anyone right of center will bother to read it.

How Trump's zero-tolerance policy differs from the ways Bush and Obama treated immigrant families
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2018/06/18/trumps-zero-tolerance-policy-differs-ways-bush-obama-treated-immigrant-families

[Trill Clinton]

Since two pages later we're still talking about this like the same thing was happening under Obama, I will repost, despite my low confidence that anyone right of center will bother to read it.

How Trump's zero-tolerance policy differs from the ways Bush and Obama treated immigrant families
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2018/06/18/trumps-zero-tolerance-policy-differs-ways-bush-obama-treated-immigrant-families

They won't read it. Their mind is made up.

[RandomGuy]

You know the answer. Midterms just around the corner and the Dems don't have any policies to run on so it's time to cry and appeal to emotions.

Plenty of policies to run on for Democrats. But then, don't let facts get in the way of your preferred mythology.

[RandomGuy]

"Stop separating families at the border" is a policy.

LOL at this post in support of the party that won with "Mexican gangs are flooding across the borders to kill you" and "We have to stop Muslims from coming to America or we're all gonna die."

Appeal to emotions is a time honored Republican tradition.

You forget "lock her up" for "crimes", "they are killing babies", "no homo marriage", etc etc. Most Trump party platform items run on little more than emotional mythology fuel, it is why we are entering a post-fact world.

[RandomGuy]

The riot at the family detention facility in Raymondville, Tx., was in 2015.

The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains.

Non-sequiturs don't really draw lines between two points. (hands WH a pencil). Elucidate, please.

[Spurminator]

They won't read it. Their mind is made up.

It's also a :cry MSM :cry source and not some MAGA-flag Twitter source.

[Chris]

:cry no one is reading my article I posted it TWICE :cry

[RandomGuy]

It's also a :cry MSM :cry source and not some MAGA-flag Twitter source.
Posted it before but relevant, if you haven't read it:
https://aeon.co/essays/why-its-as-hard-to-escape-an-echo-chamber-as-it-is-to-flee-a-cult


First you don’t hear other views. Then you can’t trust them. Your personal information network entraps you just like a cult

[RandomGuy]

:cry no one is reading my article I posted it TWICE :cry

Regale us with some ill-sourced twitter posts then. That will show 'em. :rollin

[Isitjustme?]

No cages. These Nazis are ripping babies from the tit and tossing them in the river.

Because Drumpf
Keep thinking its only left wing people appalled by this. Please keep thinking that

[RandomGuy]

Keep thinking its only left wing people appalled by this. Please keep thinking that

Fun thing is that for every ONE mostly Republican voter that decides to flip, that is a two vote swing. -1 Trump Party... +1 Democrat. With the Southern Baptists abandoning the GOTP that won't bode well.

[Chris]

1009130951409045507

[Chris]

1009109712770666497

[spurraider21]

1009130951409045507
sessions/trump havent even prosecuted pizzagate smh

[Chris]

This whole news cycle started with fake news. Pictures from 2014 attributed to Trump. Pretty sad that it is so fervently defended. Useful idiots love their propaganda.

[RandomGuy]

This whole news cycle started with fake news. Pictures from 2014 attributed to Trump. Pretty sad that it is so fervently defended. Useful idiots love their propaganda.

Wenn Unrecht zu Recht wird, wird widerstand zur pflicht. Bertold Brecht

[boutons_deux]

Methodist Clergy and Laity Bring Church Law Charges Against AG Jeff Sessions (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/18/1773143/-Methodist-Clergy-and-Laity-Bring-Church-Law-Charges-Against-AG-Jeff-Sessions)

a press release by the United Methodist Church (http://www.umc.org/news-and-media/church-charges-brought-against-sessions):


The group claimed in a June 18 statement that Sessions, a member of a Mobile, Alabama, church, violated Paragraph 2702.3 of the denomination’s Book of Discipline.

Specifically, the group

accuses him of child abuse in reference to separating young children from their parents and

holding them in mass incarceration facilities;

immorality;

racial discrimination and

“dissemination of doctrines contrary to the established standards of doctrines”

of The United Methodist Church.

All are categories listed in 2702.3 as chargeable offenses for a professing member of a local church.


(You can read the “June 18 statement” here (http://s3.amazonaws.com/Website_Properties/news-media/documents/A_Complaint_regarding_Jefferson_Sessions.pdf).)

It should be noted that the Methodist Book of Discipline (which is not available for download, but can be read online (https://www.cokesbury.com/forms/DynamicContent.aspx?id=87&pageid=920)) includes specific procedures to handle such issues, and those methods are theoretically in play with formal charges against Sessions:

The Book of Discipline allows for a church trial and even expulsion of a lay member, but

the first step in a long process would be for the member’s pastor and

district superintendent to solve the complaint through “pastoral steps,” Lawrence said.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/18/1773143/-Methodist-Clergy-and-Laity-Bring-Church-Law-Charges-Against-AG-Jeff-Sessions

I bet JeBo doesn't GAFF

[boutons_deux]

The Government Has No Plan for Reuniting the Immigrant Families It Is Tearing Apart

Several months ago, as cases of family separation started surfacing across the country, immigrant-rights groups began calling for the Department of Homeland Security (D.H.S.),

which is in charge of immigration enforcement and border security, to create procedures for tracking families after they are split up.

At the time, D.H.S. said that it would address the problem, but there is no evidence that it actually did so.

Erik Hanshew, a federal public defender in El Paso, told me that the problems begin at the moment of arrest.

“Our client gets arrested with his or her child out in the field.

Sometimes they go together at the initial processing,

sometimes they get separated right then and there for separate processing,”

he said.

“When we ask the Border Patrol agents at detention hearings a few days after physical arrest about the information they’ve obtained in their investigation,

they tell us that the only thing they know is that the person arrested was with a kid.

They don’t seem to know gender, age, or name.”

“But where the child is being held often has nothing to do with where she and her parent were arrested.

The kids get moved around to different facilities.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-government-has-no-plan-for-reuniting-the-immigrant-families-it-is-tearing-apart?mbid=social_twitter

I bet the All-American pedophiles are all over this one.

[ducks]

A 'publicity stunt'?
Founded 50 years ago, the United Methodist Church has about 7 million members in the United States and is one of the country's most ideologically diverse Protestant bodies. Hillary Clinton and former President George W. Bush are both members.
The Rev. William Lawrence, a former professor at Perkins School of Theology and an expert on the United Methodist Church, said it would be "highly unusual" for any charges against Sessions to move beyond the stage of reconciliation, in which Sessions, his local pastor and his local bishop would seek a "just resolution" to settle the matter. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/sessions-church-complaint/index.html

[boutons_deux]

U.S. State Dept. Condemns ‘Soviet Practice’ of Separating Families as Trump Admin Defends Border Policy

, a completely unrelated background briefing at the U.S. State Department (https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/06/283307.htm) from Monday is circulating.

It specifically called stripping “dissidents” and “members of religious minorities of their parental rights”

as part of a “revival of cruel, Soviet-era practices” overseas.

Dave Clark of Agence France-Presse pointed out the interesting timing and content of this briefing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgAIyoYXUAIUQSm.jpg

https://twitter.com/DaveClark_AFP/status/1008816061104492550/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flawandcrime.com%2Fimmigratio n%2Fu-s-state-dept-condemns-soviet-practice-of-separating-families-as-trump-admin-defends-border-policy%2F

Here’s what the relevant portion said.

“Particularly, today I’d like to call attention to the facts that the number of these cases involving Russia is growing rapidly.

We’ve seen a threefold increase since 2014, and

the list of those unjustly imprisoned exceeds now over 150 people,”

it reads.

“In addition, we also have seen a revival of cruel,

Soviet-era practices, including

abusive psychiatric confinement,

closed trials,

transferring of prisoners to remote and

harsh prison conditions far from their families.”

It goes on to name a particularly “difficult and challenging” rising threat of an “old Soviet practice” to strip parents of rights.

https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/u-s-state-dept-condemns-soviet-practice-of-separating-families-as-trump-admin-defends-border-policy/

So Trash/Kelly/Miller/Nielsen are once again emulating Pootin's god-awful Russia.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/20180623_USP501.jpg

Here is a picture not from 2014. Enjoy.

[RandomGuy]

How America’s refugee policy is damaging to the world and to itself

Although they arrive with nothing, refugees contribute immensely to the American economy, says Donald Kerwin

IN 1981 President Ronald Reagan vowed to “continue America’s tradition as a land that welcomes peoples from other countries” and to “continue to share in the responsibility of welcoming and resettling those who flee oppression.” Now would be a good time to step up.

In recent weeks, the US Department of Justice (DOJ) has instituted a “zero tolerance” policy for illegal entry: it now seeks to prosecute 100% of these cases, including those of asylum-seekers who enter between ports-of-entry. It is now also government policy to separate children from their parents at the border. Exacerbating matters, the federal Office of Refugee Resettlement has begun to share information with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) on potential sponsors with whom the children in its custody might be placed. Because ICE runs immigration checks on sponsors, placement of the children with safe family members (including parents) will now be less likely.

Although they arrive with nothing, refugees also contribute immensely to the American economy, families and communities. The Center for Migration Studies of New York recently compared 1.1m refugees who arrived in America between 1987 and 2016, with comparable non-refugees, the foreign-born, and the total American population. We found that:

Refugees’ labour force participation (68%) and employment rates (64%) exceeded those of the total American population (63% and 60%, respectively).

Refugees’ median personal income ($20,000) equalled that of non-refugees and exceeded the income of the foreign-born overall ($18,700).

Refugees were more likely to be skilled workers (38%) than non-refugees (33%) or the foreign-born (35%).

In addition, refugees arriving from 1987 to 1996 do far better than later refugee arrivals by virtually every metric of integration and accomplishment. It is clear: refugees contribute more to their new nation over time. They also compare favourably to the total US population, which consists mostly of citizens, exceeding them in median personal income ($28,000 to $23,000), homeownership (41% versus 37%), access to a computer and the internet (82% to 75%), and health insurance (93% to 91%).

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/19/how-americas-refugee-policy-is-damaging-to-the-world-and-to-itself

[Winehole23]

The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains.

Non-sequiturs don't really draw lines between two points. (hands WH a pencil). Elucidate, please.cruel family detentions aren't a novelty, neither is children slipping through the cracks. Trump has cranked the intensity way up, but this sort of thing has been happening for awhile.

there is no false equivalence: you and boutons lose credibility for being unwilling to credit Bush/Obama for establishing the policies that led to where we are now.

[Chris]

Here is a story not from 2014 about a 14 year old boy who was forever separated from his parents because of an illegal alien.


http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/06/collage-5-640x480.jpg



According to the Detroit News, 21-year-old Miguel A. Ibarra Cerda was arraigned Thursday in the hit-and-run death of 14-year-old Justin Lee in Wixom, Michigan.

“Police said Justin, a freshman at Walled Lake Western High School, was riding a friend’s bike on Potter Road near Flamingo Street on Monday night when witnesses said he was struck by a blue Honda Odyssey minivan that immediately sped away,” the newspaper reported.

“The minivan had been driven in excess of speed limits and was on the wrong side of the road when the crash occurred, knocking Lee into a ditch … The teen later was pronounced dead at an area hospital.”

Police were led to the suspect through video that showed him leaving the area in a vehicle driven by another man, according to the News. The man contacted police.

“He (Cerda) had called the man and said he had been involved in a crash. He didn’t tell him anything more,” Wixom Police Chief Ronald Moore said.

“The man didn’t commit any crimes and was stunned to hear of the death.”

Cerda, a Mexican national who worked at a local Burrito King restaurant, was charged with reckless driving causing death and leaving the scene of an accident, which could result in 15 years behind bars. He pleaded not guilty to the charges. Bail was set at $350,000.

Breitbart reported that Cerda was in the country illegally and had been trying to flee back to Mexico at the time of his arrest.

RELATED: Trump’s Approval Rating Ties All-Time High Despite Liberal Pushback on Immigration

“We are so grateful to police for their quick work on this and making an arrest,” Pattie Warner-Lee, the victim’s mother, told reporters outside the courtroom, according to the Detroit News.

“I had just made him something to eat after school and he was returning a friend’s bike to him when this happened a couple blocks from our house.

“I remember him kissing me on the head before leaving the house and telling me he loved me,” she added. “He was a very kind person. The kind who is so funny he could pick you up when you were at your lowest.

“One younger boy came by the house crying after hearing of Justin’s death,” she said. “He told me how Justin had stood up for him when he was bullied on the school bus. He called my son his hero.

“His dreams were to go on to University of Michigan after high school to play football and study forensic science,” Warner-Lee added. “I believe he would have done both.”

Now, he won’t be doing any of that, having been permanently “separated” from his parents.

Unlike the parents whose children are temporarily being held because they illegally crossed into the United States with their kids, however, there’s not a lot of media outrage over the death of Justin Lee.

https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/root-14-year-old-separated-from-parents-forever-by-hit-run-illegal/

[boutons_deux]

boutons lose credibility

for being unwilling to credit Bush/Obama for establishing the policies that led to where we are now.

watch your tongue, punk

B/O didn't charge any and all asylum seekers as trespass criminals so they could separate children from parents.

[ducks]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/20180623_USP501.jpg

Here is a picture not from 2014. Enjoy.
your year old never cries?
you never tell them no you give them whatever you want
their mom can never take a shower because the 2 year old cries
the 2 year old must watch mommy have a bowl movement because 2 year old would cry

I have been around kids that their mom can not be out of the room with out them crying and their mom will not let them cry for a few minutes even

[Spurminator]

Here is a story not from 2014 about a 14 year old boy who was forever separated from his parents because of an illegal alien.

Unlike the parents whose children are temporarily being held because they illegally crossed into the United States with their kids, however, there’s not a lot of media outrage over the death of Justin Lee.

WHY ISN'T THE NATIONAL MEDIA AS OUTRAGED OVER THIS INCIDENT OF HIT-AND-RUN AS THEY ARE ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT TRUMP CONTINUES TO BRING UP WHICH INVOLVES 2,500 CHILDREN AND PARENTS??? :cry

[boutons_deux]

Horror Ingraham called the Trash's concentration camps as "summer camps"


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1001230656641302528/vHjFDzsH_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/davidhogg111)David Hogg :lol
(https://twitter.com/davidhogg111)
(https://twitter.com/davidhogg111)✔@davidhogg111
(https://twitter.com/davidhogg111)
(https://twitter.com/davidhogg111)If we get these advertisers pulled maybe @Ingraham (https://twitter.com/ingraham) will have to become a camp counselor and learn how wrong she is.

1. @BeachesResorts (https://twitter.com/BeachesResorts) & @SandalsResorts (https://twitter.com/SandalsResorts)

2.@SIRIUSXM (https://twitter.com/SIRIUSXM)

3. @CarfaxReports (https://twitter.com/CarfaxReports)

4. @AceHardware (https://twitter.com/AceHardware)

5. IAC (Angie’s List, Home Advisor, Match)

6. @Cabelas (https://twitter.com/Cabelas)

7. @JohnDeere (https://twitter.com/JohnDeere)

7:04 AM - Jun 19, 2018 (https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1009044210501279749)

(https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1009044210501279749)================


If this renewed boycott is anything like the last, Ingraham will have plenty to worry about.

Her preview slew of lost sponsors included

IBM,

Allstate,

Blue Apron,

Slimfast,

Bayer,

Honda,

Ruby Tuesday,

Liberty Mutual,

Office Depot,

Nestle,

Wayfair,

TripAdvisor,

Nutrish,

Expedia,

Joseph A. Banks,

Hulu,

Stitch Fix,

Atlantis Bahamas,

Jenny Craig,

Miracle-Ear, and

Johnson & Johnson.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/06/19/david-hogg-just-became-laura-ingrahams-nightmare-after-calling-detention-centers-summer-camps/

[ducks]

why is it ok to kill thousands of infants in womans wombs yearly?

[Spurminator]

why is it ok to kill thousands of infants in womans wombs yearly?

Undocumented children aren't coming across the border to implant themselves inside American women for 9 months.

[Chris]

Good friend and a loyal customer had to leave the state recently after she got raped by 4 illegal immigrants. No justice for them. Years of psychological turmoil for her. Democrats don't care about consequences, only ways that they can blackmail you emotionally. Biggest threat to this country and our POTUS hands down.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump's Approval Rating Climbs To Personal Best, Tying His First Week In Office
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAyPTn0.img?h=627&w=1119&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=2752&y=1071
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-approval-rating-climbs-to-personal-best-tying-his-first-week-in-office/ar-AAyPzPz

[Chris]

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[clambake]

Good friend and a loyal customer had to leave the state recently after she got raped by 4 illegal immigrants. No justice for them. Years of psychological turmoil for her. Democrats don't care about consequences, only ways that they can blackmail you emotionally. Biggest threat to this country and our POTUS hands down.

can you link me this story, dale? sounds interesting.

[spurraider21]

1009172915906961408
you can just deport them together if you want to play hardball. whats fucked up is detaining the parent because you want to try them criminally instead of just deporting them, and holding the kid somewhere else.

[DarrinS]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/20180623_USP501.jpg

Here is a picture not from 2014. Enjoy.


Are you listening to Sarah McLachlan as you post these? #Tears

[Chris]

you can just deport them together if you want to play hardball. whats fucked up is detaining the parent because you want to try them criminally instead of just deporting them, and holding the kid somewhere else.

The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.
-Abraham Lincoln

[Isitjustme?]

This whole news cycle started with fake news. Pictures from 2014 attributed to Trump. Pretty sad that it is so fervently defended. Useful idiots love their propaganda.

Lol you of all people saying this

[pgardn]

why is it ok to kill thousands of infants in womans wombs yearly?

Do you ask the women to carryon and that you will take the child and raise the young duckling?
How many kids (hatchlings) have you adopted? Step up to the plate, then you can speak.

[pgardn]

Good friend and a loyal customer had to leave the state recently after she got raped by 4 illegal immigrants. No justice for them. Years of psychological turmoil for her. Democrats don't care about consequences, only ways that they can blackmail you emotionally. Biggest threat to this country and our POTUS hands down.


Consequences...

Tell me about that budget Chris?
Definitely something I had in common with the Rs. Until... no consequences. What about infrastructure vs. Star Wars ya hypocrite?

[Chris]

Hillary loves to cash in on things like this.

1008895931247284225


Nasty woman.

[AaronY]

Here is a story not from 2014 about a 14 year old boy who was forever separated from his parents because of an illegal alien.


http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/06/collage-5-640x480.jpg
Explain in detail in any way how thats even slightly relevant to housing children in cages

[spurraider21]

The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.
-Abraham Lincoln
:lmao both chambers of congress + presidency :lmao

[monosylab1k]

The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.
-Abraham Lincoln

Except they already said this wasn’t a law P E R I O D

[Chris]

1009202469862346759

Take it up with Chuck.

[spurraider21]

1009202469862346759

Take it up with Chuck.
trump doesn't need chuck's permission to stop the current separation policy

if republicans put forward a bill that does nothing but stop the separation policy, i'm sure at that point, democrats would play ball. but they're rightfully cynical. when they wanted to fix daca, those proposals were bogged down by amendments that added to defense spending, for instance

[Blake]

Hillary loves to cash in on things like this.

1008895931247284225


Nasty woman.

June 2018 ding

[AaronY]

1009202469862346759

Take it up with Chuck.
We dont negotiate with terrorists tbh

[Chris]

Chuck wants to punt to Trump when he could stop it. That's really sad tbh

[Chris]

trump doesn't need chuck's permission to stop the current separation policy

if republicans put forward a bill that does nothing but stop the separation policy, i'm sure at that point, democrats would play ball. but they're rightfully cynical. when they wanted to fix daca, those proposals were bogged down by amendments that added to defense spending, for instance

This is narrow legislation. No strings attached, no excuses.

[spurraider21]

Chuck wants to punt to Trump when he could stop it. That's really sad tbh
lol

lets assume meadows is completely sincere and the bill he wants to put together is ONLY concerning stopping the current separation of families and no other strings attached. unlikely as fuck, but lets assume he's right

Process A) how long until the bill is put up for committee vote. assuming committee passes it, how long until BOTH chambers of congress hold votes? and then how long until trump signs it?

Process B) or trump could just tell them to stop now. even though trump's signature is the last step of process A anyway

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/20180623_USP501.jpg

Here is a picture not from 2014. Enjoy.

SHOCKING! WE AS A NATION MUST NEVER DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE A TODDLER TO CRY! MUH MORALS!

[spurraider21]

This is narrow legislation. No strings attached, no excuses.
link to the bill?

[spurraider21]

besides, its a house bill and schumer is in the senate :lol... he cant stop it from there

lets see them bring this bill to a vote and see if schumer actually calls for a filibuster when it does actually reach the senate "with no strings attached"

[SnakeBoy]

lol

lets assume meadows is completely sincere and the bill he wants to put together is ONLY concerning stopping the current separation of families and no other strings attached. unlikely as fuck, but lets assume he's right

Process A) how long until the bill is put up for committee vote. assuming committee passes it, how long until BOTH chambers of congress hold votes? and then how long until trump signs it?

Process B) or trump could just tell them to stop now. even though trump's signature is the last step of process A anyway

They could make it law by the end of the week if both parties wanted to. Democrats don't want to lose their campaign issue so that will never happen.

[spurraider21]

They could make it law by the end of the week if both parties wanted to. Democrats don't want to lose their campaign issue so that will never happen.
democrats would lose their campaign issue overnight if trump stops it right now. heck, then trump could spin it as "when the democrats wouldn't step up, i did" or some bullshit like that

and the assertion that it could be pushed through so quickly is based on the assumption that there will be zero strings attached. when the fuck have we ever seen that kind of legislation passed?

[spurraider21]

.

[Chris]

lol

lets assume meadows is completely sincere and the bill he wants to put together is ONLY concerning stopping the current separation of families and no other strings attached. unlikely as fuck, but lets assume he's right

Process A) how long until the bill is put up for committee vote. assuming committee passes it, how long until BOTH chambers of congress hold votes? and then how long until trump signs it?

Process B) or trump could just tell them to stop now. even though trump's signature is the last step of process A anyway

Do you want a permanent fix from Congress or a band-aid? Process A seems a lot more Democratic to me than Process B which is nuclear.

[Chris]

1009221403105562624

[spurraider21]

Do you want a permanent fix from Congress or a band-aid? Process A seems a lot more Democratic to me than Process B which is nuclear.
this policy is being implemented due to Process B

congress didnt put this into law recently

its ludicrous for trump to unilaterally set a policy and then shit on democrats for not stopping it legislatively even though they're in the minority. same with daca. nobody forced trump/sessions to cut that off. but then they blame democrats for it.

only people with bot-like behavior would buy that narrative hook line and sinker

[boutons_deux]

"Democrats don't care about consequences"

:lol

And Repugs do?

Trash/Miller's victimized kids now are being DAMAGED for life, according to Holocaust kids who were taken from their by Nazi, and according to psychologists who have worked with severely traumatized kids.

[Chris]

only people with bot-like behavior would buy that narrative hook line and sinker

White flag accepted.

[spurraider21]

White flag accepted.
i can see mono has done a good job with the chrisbot.exe updates

[Chris]

1009226713526685696

[Chris]

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[AaronY]

Chuck wants to punt to Trump when he could stop it. That's really sad tbh
How is this confusing? the US has never negotiated with terrorists especially when they have hostages

[AaronY]

why is it ok to kill thousands of infants in womans wombs yearly?
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[Trill Clinton]

1009233583402205184

Not saying this guy is lying but this tweet is essentially fake news with no source

[ducks]

TALKING TO LAWMAKERS ABOUT USING DNA TESTS TO VERIFY PARENTS OF IMMIGRANT CHILDREN
“Sessions is talking to congressional members and is hoping for a legislative fix. The AG wants an immigration policy that is just, fair and enforceable. They talked about making sure that these really are the parents of these kids,” Perkins said.

He continued, “They are looking at how to use DNA tests in the field to verify they are parents and not traffickers. The reality is if American parents put their kids through what these immigrant parents have done to their kids — they would be charged with child abuse.”

[Reck]

1009226713526685696

Do you think this is good for Trump or are you posting for balance sake?

[Reck]

1009233583402205184

Chrissy, there is a difference in unnacompanied minors and those that are actually accompanied...by their parents then being separated...by force.

[Chris]

Do you think this is good for Trump or are you posting for balance sake?

Good for Trump. Bad for the constituents of those states. Shameful for the National Guard.

[Chris]

Chrissy, there is a difference in unnacompanied minors and those that are actually accompanied...by their parents then being separated...by force.

What are you rambling about?

[Reck]

Good for Trump. Bad for the constituents of those states. Shameful for the National Guard.

Umm no it's not. But I'll let you go with that train of thought. :lol

[ducks]

Trump's Approval Rating Climbs To Personal Best, Tying His First Week In Office
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAyPTn0.img?h=627&w=1119&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=2752&y=1071
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-approval-rating-climbs-to-personal-best-tying-his-first-week-in-office/ar-AAyPzPz

[Chris]

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Solutions :tu

[ducks]

Do you ask the women to carryon and that you will take the child and raise the young duckling?
How many kids (hatchlings) have you adopted? Step up to the plate, then you can speak.

I looked into I have 2 kids
I have looked to see condoms are also very cheap
People should use them

[AaronY]

TALKING TO LAWMAKERS ABOUT USING DNA TESTS TO VERIFY PARENTS OF IMMIGRANT CHILDREN
“Sessions is talking to congressional members and is hoping for a legislative fix. The AG wants an immigration policy that is just, fair and enforceable. They talked about making sure that these really are the parents of these kids,” Perkins said.

He continued, “They are looking at how to use DNA tests in the field to verify they are parents and not traffickers. The reality is if American parents put their kids through what these immigrant parents have done to their kids — they would be charged with child abuse.”
Lol all for the government wasting money when its on something you wnat

[Reck]

1009245272592076800

Solutions :tu

Reckless spending. =Solution

Ok

[Chris]

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[Chris]

Reckless spending. =Solution

Ok

Your party knows all about reckless spending. They went bankrupt. You don't give a shit if they are child traffickers or parents, you just want the votes.

[boutons_deux]

The gratuitous humanitarian disaster of Trash/Kelly/Miller/Nielsen nightmare is only just beginning

Trump aides plan fresh immigration crackdowns before midterms

White House policy adviser Stephen Miller wants to make sure the president can show he’s doing something about border control.

Senior policy adviser Stephen Miller and a team of officials from the departments of Justice, Labor, Homeland Security and the Office of Management and Budget have been quietly

meeting for months to find ways to use executive authority and under-the-radar rule changes to strengthen hard-line U.S. immigration policies,

The goal for Miller and his team is to arm Trump with enough data and statistics by early September to show voters that he fulfilled his immigration promises — even without a border wall or any other congressional measure,

Among the fresh ideas being circulated:

tightening rules on student visas and exchange programs;

limiting visas for temporary agricultural workers;

making it harder for legal immigrants who have applied for welfare programs to obtain residency;

and collecting biometric data from visitors from certain countries.

Miller, who was instrumental to Trump’s early travel ban — which, like the border separations, triggered widespread public outrage and was put into effect without sufficient logistical planning — is among those who see

the border crisis as a winning campaign issue.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/18/trump-aides-plan-fresh-immigration-crackdowns-before-midterms-652246 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/18/trump-aides-plan-fresh-immigration-crackdowns-before-midterms-652246)

============

Miller grew up in a liberal-leaning Jewish family

in Santa Monica, California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Monica,_California).[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)#cite_note-mhackman-17)[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)#cite_note-18) He is the second of three children born to Michael D. Miller, a real estate investor, and Miriam (Glosser) Miller.

His mother's family immigrated to the United States in the early 1900s from Belarus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus)

escaping the anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire) (1903-1906).[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)#cite_note-19)[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)#cite_note-thr-20)

When his family arrived in the United States, his great-grandmother only spoke Yiddish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiddish),

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)

Miller the Jew is going full Nazi Schutzstaffel, while Trash's buddy Bibi the Jew conducts Holocaust / ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians.

[ducks]

A hypothetical: Mary, a U.S. Citizen is arrested for a DUI, a misdemeanor. Mary has a child with her when arrested. Mary is incarcerated and the local police follow procedures regarding the child. No family members or relatives can be found. The child is placed in foster care until Mary's incarceration is adjudicated, one way or the other. Hey Liberals....How is this any different from Maria and her child in tow when she ILLEGALLY crosses the border, is arrested for a misdemeanor (or a felony if this is the second or second illegal entry) and is incarcerated? The child's status becomes "unaccompanied" and is placed in foster care. How is this different than how the U.S. Citizen is handled by law enforcement?

[ducks]

Reckless spending. =Solution

Okwhy putting a child with wrong parent would be mentally bad for kid

[boutons_deux]

A hypothetical: Mary, a U.S. Citizen is arrested for a DUI, a misdemeanor. Mary has a child with her when arrested. Mary is incarcerated and the local police follow procedures regarding the child. No family members or relatives can be found. The child is placed in foster care until Mary's incarceration is adjudicated, one way or the other. Hey Liberals....How is this any different from Maria and her child in tow when she ILLEGALLY crosses the border, is arrested for a misdemeanor (or a felony if this is the second or second illegal entry) and is incarcerated? The child's status becomes "unaccompanied" and is placed in foster care. How is this different than how the U.S. Citizen is handled by law enforcement?

goddamn, you're fuckin' stupid

[TeyshaBlue]

Although it is a false equivalence. The policy of "zero tolerance" is completely new, and beyond the scope of Golfy McBonespurs' predecessors.
Forcefield. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Indeed. Both punted. now we have policy driven by a ghoulish troll, aka Miller. This is his doing, and the fact that it has such widespread support is a damning indictment of the Trump Party.

Widespread?... Ok.

[TeyshaBlue]

(mulls)

Seems to me that the days of decent conversations are over, and that goes both ways. Welcome to Trumps America.

Welcome to RG'S give up speech.

Forcefield!

[boutons_deux]

Widespread?... Ok.

Poll: Majority of Republicans back family separation policy

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392802-poll-majority-of-republicans-back-family-separation-policy

Trash only cares about his hateful, paraoid base, and there support is "widespread"

[boutons_deux]

G.O.P. Moves to End Trump’s Family Separation Policy, but Can’t Agree How

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-separated-families.html

[TeyshaBlue]

cruel family detentions aren't a novelty, neither is children slipping through the cracks. Trump has cranked the intensity way up, but this sort of thing has been happening for awhile.

there is no false equivalence: you and boutons lose credibility for being unwilling to credit Bush/Obama for establishing the policies that led to where we are now.

boutons never had any. RG's is sagging since the election

[AaronY]

Widespread?... Ok.
It has conservative support according to polls

[ducks]

BREAKING: Democrats Reject Legislative Fix To Stop Family Separations

Alex Wroblewski/Getty Images

ByRYAN SAAVEDRA realSAAVEDRA
June 19, 2018
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) rejected a GOP legislative proposal on Tuesday that would fix the border separation issue that has consumed the national news cycle over the last week.

"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer said, according to The Hill. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it."

"How many times has immigration legislation passed in this Congress? How many times?" Schumer continued. "Zero. It's an excuse from our Republican colleagues who feel the heat, don't want to attack the president, even though they know, they know legislation will take a very long time and is unlikely to happen, and the flick of a president's pen could solve this tomorrow."




Democracts want open boarders

[Chris]

REALLY BAD ACTING


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[SnakeBoy]

REALLY BAD ACTING


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:lol

They keep choking up but just can't seem to get the tears flowing.

[pgardn]

BREAKING: Democrats Reject Legislative Fix To Stop Family Separations

Alex Wroblewski/Getty Images

ByRYAN SAAVEDRA real (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6855)SAAVEDRA
June 19, 2018
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) rejected a GOP legislative proposal on Tuesday that would fix the border separation issue that has consumed the national news cycle over the last week.





Democracts want open boarders

The Democrats want open borders and then to board them up with ducks.
Ducks literally wants to be nailed in with illegal immigrants. And he’s quite open to the idea.

You see what happens when we let these Asian fowl in with Caucasians. They give us the flu and Mexicans boarding with water avians. Then, they rape our women. Let’s not misrepresent our news here.

[pgardn]

:lol

They keep choking up but just can't seem to get the tears flowing.

Kinda how I felt when the men and women who fought for our country were cursed and heckled by them nigras not standing at attention during the National Anthem.

[Chris]

:lol

They keep choking up but just can't seem to get the tears flowing.

Emotional blackmail requires a little more effort.

[Winehole23]

Emotional blackmail requires a little more effort.like putting 4,000 kids into a prison camp, does that count?

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/immigration/2018/06/16/congressman-hurd-tornillo-el-paso-tent-city-immigrant-children-separated-parents/707932002/

[Chris]

like putting 4,000 kids into a prison camp, does that count?

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/immigration/2018/06/16/congressman-hurd-tornillo-el-paso-tent-city-immigrant-children-separated-parents/707932002/

Too bad Chuck decided to punt or we could have gotten the ball rolling for real.

[pgardn]

like putting 4,000 kids into a prison camp, does that count?

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/immigration/2018/06/16/congressman-hurd-tornillo-el-paso-tent-city-immigrant-children-separated-parents/707932002/


Winehole.

Hurd is a negra Republican.
He’s a whiner.

Why is he asking such questions about how these critters will eventually find each other, they got a great sense of smell.

[pgardn]

Too bad Chuck decided to punt or we could have gotten the ball rolling for real.

Chucks not in the House Chris.

[Chris]

Chucks not in the House Chris.

That was never in question pgardn. Try to keep up.

[Chris]

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[Avante]

How bad is it when a total moron like Trump is our President?

[pgardn]

That was never in question pgardn. Try to keep up.

You might need to read Chris...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/19/trump-republicans-immigration-border-655489

This is where we are little buddy.

[Winehole23]

Too bad Chuck decided to punt or we could have gotten the ball rolling for real.:cry ITS THE DEMOCRATS FAULT WE CANT GOVERN :cry

[TeyshaBlue]

It has conservative support according to polls

Barely within the margin of error. Not exactly widespread.

[Winehole23]

Winehole.

Hurd is a negra Republican.
...wait wut?

[Winehole23]

boutons never had any. RG's is sagging since the electionHi petulance ratio grates tbh

[Winehole23]

Too bad Chuck decided to punt or we could have gotten the ball rolling for real.4000 children (separated from their parents) in a West Texas tent city doesn't seem to impress you, so perhaps for you it does not rise to the level of emotional blackmail.

you TUFF.

[Chris]

4000 children (separated from their parents) in a West Texas tent city doesn't seem to impress you, so perhaps for you it does not rise to the level of emotional blackmail.

you TUFF.

Blatant trolling here.

[Winehole23]

It has conservative support according to pollsyou have to measure it against the intraparty approval rating of Trump: 89%

[Winehole23]

Blatant trolling here.well, what were you trying to say?

[Winehole23]

Blatant trolling here.puny thread policing?

are you sure that's your thing?

[Winehole23]

Welcome to RG'S give up speech.

Forcefield!He'll be back.

Forcefield!

[Winehole23]

Chris is so TUFF he considers mere replies trolling.

SO. TUFF.

[Winehole23]

After a chorus of criticism he said his only aim was to protect Roma children.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44531448

[Reck]

BREAKING: Democrats Reject Legislative Fix To Stop Family Separations

Alex Wroblewski/Getty Images

ByRYAN SAAVEDRA real (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6855)SAAVEDRA
June 19, 2018
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) rejected a GOP legislative proposal on Tuesday that would fix the border separation issue that has consumed the national news cycle over the last week.

"There are so many obstacles to legislation and when the president can do it with his own pen, it makes no sense," Schumer said, according to The Hill. "Legislation is not the way to go here when it’s so easy for the president to sign it."

"How many times has immigration legislation passed in this Congress? How many times?" Schumer continued. "Zero. It's an excuse from our Republican colleagues who feel the heat, don't want to attack the president, even though they know, they know legislation will take a very long time and is unlikely to happen, and the flick of a president's pen could solve this tomorrow."




Democracts want open boarders

There is nothing to agree to when the president can make it go away for free. There is no negotiation here.

Trump is using the kids as props for his stupid fucking wall. Why would democrats bail Trump out when he made this mess happen? :lol Eat shit.

[Reck]

Barely within the margin of error. Not exactly widespread.

Nearly 60% of republicans support this cluster fuck.

The extreme far right has hijacked the republican party you know.

[Winehole23]

are you a young person?

do you recall 1994-2004 clearly?

[Winehole23]

Republicans have been this way for quite some time.

DJT is merely giving the brazenness and crudities of fin de siecle Republicans a high gloss.

[Winehole23]

relatedly, do you remember the 1980s?

[RandomGuy]

Welcome to RG'S give up speech.

Forcefield!

Not quite yet. Been seriously thinking it for the first time tho

[RandomGuy]

The ones from 2014?

Toddlers Separated From Parents at the Border Are Being Detained in 'Tender Age' Shelters
http://time.com/5316764/toddler-immigrants-tender-age-shelters/

Detained.
Toddlers.

[RandomGuy]

relatedly, do you remember the 1980s?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U1Ue_5kq8

[RandomGuy]

A 'publicity stunt'?
Founded 50 years ago, the United Methodist Church has about 7 million members in the United States and is one of the country's most ideologically diverse Protestant bodies. Hillary Clinton and former President George W. Bush are both members.
The Rev. William Lawrence, a former professor at Perkins School of Theology and an expert on the United Methodist Church, said it would be "highly unusual" for any charges against Sessions to move beyond the stage of reconciliation, in which Sessions, his local pastor and his local bishop would seek a "just resolution" to settle the matter. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/sessions-church-complaint/index.html

A cogent point, but embarrassing for the AG anyway.

[RandomGuy]

There is nothing to agree to when the president can make it go away for free. There is no negotiation here.

Trump is using the kids as props for his stupid fucking wall. Why would democrats bail Trump out when he made this mess happen? :lol Eat shit.

One Democratic Senator likened it to terrorism. paraphrasing a bit from memory: "Give in to it now, and he will hold kids hostage again to get something else he wants"

[RandomGuy]

..(double post)

[Winehole23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U1Ue_5kq8wow

[Winehole23]

not what I had in mind, but paints a vivid picture.

did you see the "Come as You Are" conjectures in the comments?

[RandomGuy]

Forcefield. :lol

meaning? Elaborate, please. What am I missing here?

[RandomGuy]

not what I had in mind, but paints a vivid picture.

did you see the "Come as You Are" conjectures in the comments?

Heh, you're welcome. I did. History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes occasionally?

I think what one can do with guitars and still be somewhat pleasing to human beings is limited. Bound to eventually be some overlaps.

[RandomGuy]

wow

They changed the linking code. You can still embed, but I forget the new code. have it in a notepad file somewhere... HOpe it wasn't too over the top. :D

[RandomGuy]

SHOCKING! WE AS A NATION MUST NEVER DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE A TODDLER TO CRY! MUH MORALS!

I can see why you might not be comfortable with such imagery. Why is that?

Your first instinct is to turn it around on the poster, rather than address the trauma of separation of such a toddler from her parent in any meaningful way. Why is that?

[RandomGuy]

Are you listening to Sarah McLachlan as you post these? #Tears

Same for you too.

Your moral failure to address the actual underlying issue proves a lot of criticisms of modern conservatism I have completely right.

[TeyshaBlue]

4000 children (separated from their parents) in a West Texas tent city doesn't seem to impress you, so perhaps for you it does not rise to the level of emotional blackmail.

you TUFF.

That's exactly what this move is. Emotional leverage.

[TeyshaBlue]

That's exactly what this move is. Emotional leverage.

Crass as all hell but it's a monster lever.

[Th'Pusher]

Crass as all hell but it's a monster lever.

For who? Unpack this one for me.

[TeyshaBlue]

It's a lever for Trump's agenda. He couldn't care less about the optics which makes it stronger.

[TeyshaBlue]

He doesn't give 2 shits one way or the other about the children which just lengthens the lever.

[boutons_deux]

Exclusive: US officials likely lost track of nearly 6,000 unaccompanied migrant kids

the Trump administration has likely lost track of nearly 6,000 unaccompanied migrant children, thousands more than lawmakers were alerted to last month, according to a McClatchy review of federal data.

Federal officials acknowledged last month that nearly 1,500 unaccompanied minors arrived on the southern border alone without their parents and were placed with sponsors who did not keep in touch with federal officials, but those numbers were only a snapshot of a three- month period during the last fiscal year.

“There is a lot more,” said a field specialist who worked in the Office of Refugee Resettlement until earlier this year and was tasked with reaching out to sponsors and children to check on their well-being.

“You can bet that the numbers are higher. It doesn’t really give you a real picture.”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213430099.html#nws=mcnewsletter

So all y'all Repug voters wanted little Latinas, and Latinos, getting raped as sex slaves by pedophiles, right?

[boutons_deux]

Trump Administration Holding Babies And Toddlers In Multiple ‘Tender Age’ Shelters: AP

There are three shelters running in South Texas, with a fourth one planned for Houston,

“babies and other young children” are being sent to “tender age” shelters in Texas,

Visitors to the centers described “playrooms of crying preschool-age children in crisis.”

Children at the shelters were found to be “hysterical, crying and acting out.”

“The thought that they are going to be putting such little kids in an institutional setting? I mean it is hard for me to even wrap my mind around it,” Kay Bellor of Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, a nonprofit that provides child welfare services to migrant children, told AP this week.

“Toddlers are being detained,”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgGeTJWXUAAcf01.jpg

https://twitter.com/mannyNYT/status/1009261844790435840/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Fent ry%2Ftender-age-shelters-trump-border-family-separations_us_5b29d2d0e4b05d6c16c8c122


Michelle Brane, director of migrant rights at the Women’s Refugee Commission, described (https://twitter.com/MichelleBrane/status/1008380957664137218) seeing

“5-year-olds in cages alone with no adult care” and a 4-year-old whose diapers were being changed by other detained children as she visited a facility where migrants were being held.
On Monday, ProPublica released (https://www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580) an audio clip of 10 young Central American children (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/propublica-recording-children-crying-family-separation_us_5b2811a6e4b0f0b9e9a3d035) held by Border Patrol — many of them

crying so hard that it sounded as if they could “barely breathe.”

Lawyers and medical professionals who visited the shelters said they found the facilities to be “clean and safe” but stressed it wasn’t the centers themselves that were the issue.

“The shelters aren’t the problem, it’s taking kids from their parents that’s the problem,”

Research has shown that

institutionalizing children can cause lasting emotional scars, as well as physical and mental health issues (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/health/migrant-children-mental-health.html?smid=tw-nythealth&smtyp=cur).
″[Separating] children and parents at the border is a practice that has the potential to cause significant, lifelong harm to the children involved,”

wrote the National Association of Pediatric Nurse Practitioners in a statement (https://www.napnap.org/napnap-statement-opposing-border-separation-children-and-parents) last week denouncing the practice.

“Research clearly shows that traumatic life experiences in childhood, especially those that involve loss of a caregiver or parent, cause lifelong risk for cardiovascular and mental health disease.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tender-age-shelters-trump-border-family-separations_us_5b29d2d0e4b05d6c16c8c122?8wm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__062018&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__062018+CID_5caa3afb a1b1c883fee7294b502df9f6&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=HuffPost&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__062018

Trash, JeBo, Kelly, Nielsen will all long dead and the evil they're doing will live after them

[boutons_deux]

A Troubling Prognosis for Migrant Children in Detention: ‘The Earlier They’re Out, the Better’

Some youngsters retreat entirely, their eyes empty, bodies limp, their isolation a wall of defiance. Others cannot sit still: watchful, hyperactive, ever uncertain.

Some compulsively jump into the laps of strangers, or grab their legs and hold on for life. And some children, somehow, move past a sudden separation from their parents, tapping a well of resilience.

The Trump administration’s policy of separating migrant children from their parents has alarmed child psychologists and experts who study human development.

psychologists have learned a great deal about what happens to institutionalized children over time, and in that research there are clues to the potential emotional harms faced by migrant children severed from their parents.

A number of medical organizations, including those governing psychology, psychiatry and pediatrics, have issued letters of protest, citing an increased risk of anxiety and depression in the children, as well as post-traumatic stress and attention-deficit disorder.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tender-age-shelters-trump-border-family-separations_us_5b29d2d0e4b05d6c16c8c122?8wm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__062018&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__062018+CID_5caa3afb a1b1c883fee7294b502df9f6&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=HuffPost&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__062018

Having damaged the kids, like American society damages non-white kids with poverty, the Repug Steve Kings, etc will say blacks, browns are genetically inferior to whites.

[clambake]

if we kill them at the border, they'll stop coming.

[boutons_deux]

if we kill them at the border, they'll stop coming.

Stephen Miller dreams it.

Mexicans throwing rocks across the border is a capital offense, rocks that trigger LE's magic, perfect defense "I Feared For My Life"

[pgardn]

wait wut?

Satire fail on my part of your basic Texas mouth breather.

[pgardn]

Winehole.

Hurd is a negra Republican.
He’s a whiner.

Why is he asking such questions about how these critters will eventually find each other, they got a great sense of smell.

So yeah... I read your article from El Paso...

[clambake]

So yeah... I read your article from El Paso...

speaking of el paso......i spent a month there one day.

[DarrinS]

Lol, CNN tries to shame this border patrol SPOK and he drops truth nukes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGuSdXiFtLk

[Trill Clinton]

There is so much misinformation out there about the Trump administration's new "zero tolerance" policy of separating parents and children at the border. Before responding to a post defending this policy, please do your research..I'll make it easier for you:

Myth: This is not a new policy and was practiced under Obama and Clinton - FALSE. The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the brainchild of John Kelly to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions. Prior administrations detained migrant families but didn’t have a practice of forcibly separating parents from their children unless the adults were deemed unfit.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download

Myth: This is the only way to deter undocumented immigration - FALSE. Annual trends show that undocumented immigration is at a 46 year low. We do NOT have people rushing to cross our border. What we have are people crossing the border illegally because they've already been hired by a US company, or because they are seeking political asylum. Economic migrants come to this country because our country has kept the demand going. But again, most of these people are not economic migrants, they are asylum-seekers.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/05/568546381/arrests-for-illegal-border-crossings-hit-46-year-low

Myth: Most of the people coming across the border are just trying to take advantage of our country by taking our jobs - FALSE. Most of the parents who have been impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy have presented themselves as political asylum-seekers at a U.S. port-of-entry, from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Rather than processing their claims, they have been taken into custody on the spot and had their children ripped from their arms. The ACLU alleges that this practice violates the Asylum Act, and the UN asserts that it violates the UN Treaty on the State of Refugees, one of the few treaties the US has ratified. This is an illegal act on the part of the United States government, not to mention morally and ethically reprehensible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/21/us/meatpackers-profits-hinge-on-pool-of-immigrant-labor.html

Myth: We're a country that respects the Rule of Law, and if people break the law, this is what they get - FALSE. We are a country that has an above-ground system of immigration and an underground system. Our government (under both parties) has always been aware that US companies recruit workers in the poorest parts of Mexico for cheap labor, and ICE (and its predecessor INS) has looked the other way because this underground economy benefits our country to the tune of billions of dollars annually. Thus, even though the majority of people crossing the border now are asylum-seekers, those who are economic migrants (migrant workers) likely have been recruited here to do jobs Americans will not do.

https://www.upi.com/Donald-Trumps-wall-ign…/2621477498203/

Myth: The children have to be separated from their parents because their parents must be arrested and it would be cruel to put children in jail with their parents - FALSE. Seeking asylum is not against the law. Also, with regard to economic migrants, crossing the border without documentation is a misdemeanor not requiring an arrest. Additionally, parents have been detained with their children in ICE "family residential centers" for years. The Trump administration's shift in policy is for political purposes only, not legal ones.

See p. 18: https://www.aclu.org/legal-document...s-opposition-defendants-motion-dismiss-doc-56

Myth: We have rampant fraud in our asylum process the proof of which is the significant increase we have in the number of people applying for asylum. FALSE. The increase in asylum seekers is a direct result of the increase in civil conflict and violence across the globe. While some people may believe that we shouldn't allow any refugees into our country because "it's not our problem," neither our current asylum law nor our ideological foundation as a country support such an isolationist approach. There is very little evidence to support Sessions' claim that abuse of our asylum-seeking policies is rampant. Also, what Sessions failed to mention is that the majority of asylum seekers are from China, not South of the border. Here is a very fair and balanced assessment of his statements:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...essions-claim-about-asylum-system-fraudulent/

Myth: This policy is legal. FALSE. The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on 5/6, and a recent court ruling denied the government's motion to dismiss the suit. The judge deciding the case stated that the Trump Administration policy is "brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency." The case is moving forward because it was deemed to have legal merit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-separating-families-at-its-border-quicktake

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/us/family-separations-migrants-court.html

[spurraider21]

People here talking policy, darrin pops in with “lol look what this cnn reporter did”

[DarrinS]

People here talking policy, darrin pops in with “lol look what this cnn reporter did”

If you don’t like the law, contact your congressmen

https://callyourrep.co

[ducks]

if you do not like the law MOVE
alot of people said they would if trump won and they refuse they must like the usa and the changes that need to be done
like enforcing the law

[spurraider21]

If you don’t like the law, contact your congressmen

https://callyourrep.co
oh. we should just replace this political forum with that URL

[spurraider21]

if you do not like the law MOVE
alot of people said they would if trump won and they refuse they must like the usa and the changes that need to be done
like enforcing the law
did you move because you didn't like obamacare?

[DarrinS]

“We have to send a clear message just because your child gets across the border doesn’t mean your child gets to stay. We don’t want to send a message contrary to our laws or encourage more to come.”

—HRC 2014

[DarrinS]

Resistards loosing their shit

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