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https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/
EXCLUSIVE: WHAT TO EXPECT FROM SONY'S NEXT-GEN PLAYSTATION

MARK CERNY WOULD like to get one thing out of the way right now: The videogame console that Sony has spent the past four years building is no mere upgrade.

You’d have good reason for thinking otherwise. Sony and Microsoft both extended the current console generation via a mid-cycle refresh, with the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 spawning mini-sequels (the Xbox One S and PS4 Pro). “The key question,” Cerny says, “is whether the console adds another layer to the sorts of experiences you already have access to, or if it allows for fundamental changes in what a game can be.”

The answer, in this case, is the latter. It’s why we’re sitting here, secreted away in a conference room at Sony’s headquarters in Foster City, California, where Cerny is finally detailing the inner workings of the as-yet-unnamed console that will replace the PS4.

SENIOR CORRESPONDENT PETER RUBIN COVERS CULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY FOR WIRED.
If history is any guide, it will eventually be dubbed the PlayStation 5. For now, Cerny responds to that question—and many others—with an enigmatic smile. The “next-gen console,“ as he refers to it repeatedly, won’t be landing in stores anytime in 2019. A number of studios have been working with it, though, and Sony recently accelerated its deployment of devkits so that game creators will have the time they need to adjust to its capabilities.

As he did with the PS4, Cerny acted as lead system architect for the coming system, integrating developers’ wishes and his own gaming hopes into something that’s much more revolution than evolution. For the more than 90 million people who own PS4s, that's good news indeed. Sony’s got a brand-new box.

A TRUE GENERATIONAL shift tends to include a few foundational adjustments. A console’s CPU and GPU become more powerful, able to deliver previously unattainable graphical fidelity and visual effects; system memory increases in size and speed; and game files grow to match, necessitating larger downloads or higher-capacity physical media like discs.

PlayStation’s next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments. While ray tracing is a staple of Hollywood visual effects and is beginning to worm its way into $10,000 high-end processors, no game console has been able to manage it. Yet.

Ray tracing’s immediate benefits are largely visual. Because it mimics the way light bounces from object to object in a scene, reflective surfaces and refractions through glass or liquid can be rendered much more accurately, even in real-time, leading to heightened realism. According to Cerny, the applications go beyond graphic implications. “If you wanted to run tests to see if the player can hear certain audio sources or if the enemies can hear the players’ footsteps, ray tracing is useful for that,” he says. “It's all the same thing as taking a ray through the environment.”

The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio that Cerny thinks will redefine what sound can do in a videogame. “As a gamer,” he says, “it's been a little bit of a frustration that audio did not change too much between PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4. With the next console the dream is to show how dramatically different the audio experience can be when we apply significant amounts of hardware horsepower to it.”

The result, Cerny says, will make you feel more immersed in the game as sounds come at you from above, from behind, and from the side. While the effect will require no external hardware—it will work through TV speakers and visual surround sound—he allows that the “gold standard” will be headphone audio.

One of the words Cerny uses to describe the audio may be a familiar to those who follow virtual reality: presence, that feeling of existing inside a simulated environment. When he mentions it, I ask him about PlayStation VR, the peripheral system that has sold more than 4 million units since its 2016 release. Specifically, I ask if there will be a next-gen PSVR to go alongside this next console. “I won't go into the details of our VR strategy today,” he says, “beyond saying that VR is very important to us and that the current PSVR headset is compatible with the new console.”

So. New CPU, new GPU, the ability to deliver unprecedented visual and audio effects in a game (and maybe a PSVR sequel at some point). That’s all great, but there’s something else that excites Cerny even more. Something that he calls “a true game changer,” something that more than anything else is “the key to the next generation.” It’s a hard drive.

THE LARGER A game gets—last year’s Red Dead Redemption 2 clocked in at a horse-choking 99 gigabytes for the PS4—the longer it takes to do just about everything. Loading screens can last minutes while the game pulls what it needs to from the hard drive. Same goes for “fast travel,” when characters transport between far-flung points within a game world. Even opening a door can take over a minute, depending on what’s on the other side and how much more data the game needs to load. Starting in the fall of 2015, when Cerny first began talking to developers about what they’d want from the next generation, he heard it time and time again: I know it’s impossible, but can we have an SSD?

Solid-state drives have been available in budget laptops for more than a decade, and the Xbox One and PS4 both offer external SSDs that claim to improve load times. But not all SSDs are created alike. As Cerny points out, “I have an SSD in my laptop, and when I want to change from Excel to Word I can wait 15 seconds.” What’s built into Sony’s next-gen console is something a little more specialized.

To demonstrate, Cerny fires up a PS4 Pro playing Spider-Man, a 2018 PS4 exclusive that he worked on alongside Insomniac Games. (He’s not just an systems architect; Cerny created arcade classic Marble Madness when he was all of 19 and was heavily involved with PlayStation and PS2 franchises like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and Ratchet and Clank.) On the TV, Spidey stands in a small plaza. Cerny presses a button on the controller, initiating a fast-travel interstitial screen. When Spidey reappears in a totally different spot in Manhattan, 15 seconds have elapsed. Then Cerny does the same thing on a next-gen devkit connected to a different TV. (The devkit, an early “low-speed” version, is concealed in a big silver tower, with no visible componentry.) What took 15 seconds now takes less than one: 0.8 seconds, to be exact.

That’s just one consequence of an SSD. There’s also the speed with which a world can be rendered, and thus the speed with which a character can move through that world. Cerny runs a similar two-console demonstration, this time with the camera moving up one of Midtown’s avenues. On the original PS4, the camera moves at about the speed Spidey hits while web-slinging. “No matter how powered up you get as Spider-Man, you can never go any faster than this,” Cerny says, “because that's simply how fast we can get the data off the hard drive.” On the next-gen console, the camera speeds uptown like it’s mounted to a fighter jet. Periodically, Cerny pauses the action to prove that the surrounding environment remains perfectly crisp. (While the next-gen console will support 8K graphics, TVs that deliver it are few and far between, so we’re using a 4K TV.)

What else developers will be able to do is a question Cerny can’t answer yet, because those developers are still figuring it all out—but he sees the SSD as unlocking an entirely new age, one that upends the very tropes that have become the bedrock of gaming. “We're very used to flying logos at the start of the game and graphic-heavy selection screens," he says, "even things like multiplayer lobbies and intentionally detailed loadout processes, because you don't want players just to be waiting."

At the moment, Sony won’t cop to exact details about the SSD—who makes it, whether it utilizes the new PCIe 4.0 standard—but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs. That’s not all. “The raw read speed is important,“ Cerny says, “but so are the details of the I/O [input-output] mechanisms and the software stack that we put on top of them. I got a PlayStation 4 Pro and then I put in a SSD that cost as much as the PlayStation 4 Pro—it might be one-third faster." As opposed to 19 times faster for the next-gen console, judging from the fast-travel demo.

As you’ve noticed, this is all hardware talk. Cerny isn’t ready to chat about services or other features, let alone games and price, and neither is anyone at Sony. Nor will you hear much about the console at E3 in June—for the first time, Sony won’t be holding a keynote at the annual games show. But a few more things come out during the course of our conversation. For example, the next-gen console will still accept physical media; it won’t be a download-only machine. Because it’s based in part on the PS4’s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console. As in many other generational transitions, this will be a gentle one, with numerous new games being released for both PS4 and the next-gen console. (Where exactly Hideo Kojima’s forthcoming title Death Stranding fits in that process is still unconfirmed. When asked, a spokesperson in the room repeated that the game would be released for PS4, but Cerny’s smile and pregnant pause invites speculation that it will in fact be a two-platform release.)

What gaming will look like in a year or two, let alone 10, is a matter of some debate. Battle-royale games have reshaped multiplayer experiences; augmented reality marries the fantastic and real in unprecedented ways. Google is leading a charge away from traditional consoles by launching a cloud-gaming service, Stadia, later this year. Microsoft’s next version of the Xbox will presumably integrate cloud gaming as well to allow people to play Xbox games on multiple devices. Sony’s plans in this regard are still unclear—it’s one of the many things Cerny is keeping mum on, saying only that “we are cloud-gaming pioneers, and our vision should become clear as we head toward launch”—but it’s hard to think there won’t be more news coming on that front.

For now, there’s the living room. It’s where the PlayStation has sat through four generations—and will continue to sit at least one generation more.

[baseline bum]

tl;dr version:

1. It will have ray tracing
2. It will use an eight core cpu based off Ryzen 2
3. It will have an SSD which Mark Cerny claims will be faster than current PC SSDs
4. It will have PS4 backwards compatibility
5. Now go fuck your mother some more

[baseline bum]

My reactions:

1. Fuck ray-tracing. All it does right now on PC is cut the shit out of your framerate. Looks like this being a 60 fps console like PS2 was ain't happening.

2. What's the point in using a Ryzen cpu if you're going to use RT and have every game running at 30 fps?

3. I hope it's a small SSD just for caching shit from the current game you're playing, because SSD is overrated as fuck and I don't want to pay $600 or $700 like last time Sony was promising the world with their new console.

4. Thank god for PS4 BC so I can retire my PS4 once getting this.

5. Not interested there tbh.

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[spurraider21]

Don’t know anything about computers. Slashing loading screens seems cool. That’s plagued consoles since they switched to disks.

Backward compatibility is a big deal imo.

Curious is what the price point will be with a trade-in of a PS4 slim. As long as Sony continues investing in epic single player experiences, I’ll keep trusting them. I just hope they make a controller with good battery life as opposed to focusing on gimmicks like speakers and lights.

[baseline bum]

Don’t know anything about computers. Slashing loading screens seems cool. That’s plagued consoles since they switched to disks.

Backward compatibility is a big deal imo.

Curious is what the price point will be with a trade-in of a PS4 slim. As long as Sony continues investing in epic single player experiences, I’ll keep trusting them. I just hope they make a controller with good battery life as opposed to focusing on gimmicks like speakers and lights.

I'd expect trade in value to be shit for PS4. Just like PS1 isn't worth anything since PS2 and PS3 have PS1 BC.

[DJR210]

The real question is will Sony be partnering w/ Codex games..

[spurraider21]

The real question is will Sony be partnering w/ Codex games..
the fuck is this codex shit you guys are always talkin about

[NASpurs]

the fuck is this codex shit you guys are always talkin about

arrrr

[apalisoc_9]

Day one for me.

Kidding.

Ill get it in 2022. :lol

Its probably out in 2020.

[DJR210]

the fuck is this codex shit you guys are always talkin about

arrrrr matey

[spurraider21]

arrrr


arrrrr matey
just for PoorC stuff right?

[baseline bum]

The real question is will Sony be partnering w/ Codex games..

Honestly PoorStation games are so cheap it's not even worth the hassle. Now Switch is highly worth hitting the high seas for since every game is $60 and sale prices are usually $50 for exclusives.

[midnightpulp]

My reactions:

1. Fuck ray-tracing. All it does right now on PC is cut the shit out of your framerate. Looks like this being a 60 fps console like PS2 was ain't happening.

2. What's the point in using a Ryzen cpu if you're going to use RT and have every game running at 30 fps?

3. I hope it's a small SSD just for caching shit from the current game you're playing, because SSD is overrated as fuck and I don't want to pay $600 or $700 like last time Sony was promising the world with their new console.

4. Thank god for PS4 BC so I can retire my PS4 once getting this.

5. Not interested there tbh.

As a hi-fi nerd, they're also overselling the audio. You will not be able to get immersive 3D surround sound from two speakers unless the speakers have some form of active crosstalk cancellation via DSP or use beamforming. Best case is something like Q Sound, which can open up the soundstage to about 180 degrees. I guess the PS5 could have on-board crosstalk cancellation, but I wouldn't count on it, since it requires a lot of CPU horsepower. Also requires head-tracking and in-ear measurements to work effectively. Overselling it on headphones, too. Immersive 3D audio basically requires the same thing on headphones. In-ear measurements and head-tracking. Current solutions are basically rough audio binauralization that places the audio a bit outside the rear/sides of your head. Example is that god awful "8D audio" shit.

[Xevious]

Honestly don't really give a shit about the hardware. As long as Sony keeps up their killer library of singleplayer exclusives, it'll be a buy from me. The backwards compatibility is nice though. Will wait a year or two post-release after prices drop and see what games are on the horizon.

[spurraider21]

Honestly don't really give a shit about the hardware. As long as Sony keeps up their killer library of singleplayer exclusives, it'll be a buy from me. The backwards compatibility is nice though. Will wait a year or two post-release after prices drop and see what games are on the horizon.
all of this

[baseline bum]

Honestly don't really give a shit about the hardware. As long as Sony keeps up their killer library of singleplayer exclusives, it'll be a buy from me. The backwards compatibility is nice though. Will wait a year or two post-release after prices drop and see what games are on the horizon.


all of this

If you guys want to wait for big price drops it will likely be more than two years. Mainly because the big price drops usually come after shrinking the lithography. The whole time the PS4 was on 28nm lithography it was a $400 system. As soon as manufacturing went to 16nm in 2016 they discontinued the PS4 and replaced with the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, and then you started seeing $230 or so PS4 Slim pretty regularly. But chip makers had been manufacturing on 28nm since 2011 or so.

The PS5 will be on 7nm and that's still a really new process. So it might be quite a wait until we get a node shrink from 7nm and a PS5 Slim. Especially since node shrinks are taking longer now. In last gen PS3 launched at 90nm, got shrunk to 65nm in the last gen of PS3 fat, and went to 45nm with the Slim (I think the Super Slim stayed on 45nm).

I'll probably wait for a reasonable exclusive game library to get built up unless either Ghost of Tsushima and Death Stranding are truly amazing and justify the upgrade or if there are killer PS4 trade-in deals to the PS5. I think the former is probably more likely since I guess PS4 will have complete crap value once PS5 launches thanks to the BC.

[Xevious]

If you guys want to wait for big price drops it will likely be more than two years. Mainly because the big price drops usually come after shrinking the lithography. The whole time the PS4 was on 28nm lithography it was a $400 system. As soon as manufacturing went to 16nm in 2016 they discontinued the PS4 and replaced with the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, and then you started seeing $230 or so PS4 Slim pretty regularly. But chip makers had been manufacturing on 28nm since 2011 or so.

The PS5 will be on 7nm and that's still a really new process. So it might be quite a wait until we get a node shrink from 7nm and a PS5 Slim. Especially since node shrinks are taking longer now. In last gen PS3 launched at 90nm, got shrunk to 65nm in the last gen of PS3 fat, and went to 45nm with the Slim (I think the Super Slim stayed on 45nm).

I'll probably wait for a reasonable exclusive game library to get built up unless either Ghost of Tsushima and Death Stranding are truly amazing and justify the upgrade or if there are killer PS4 trade-in deals to the PS5. I think the former is probably more likely since I guess PS4 will have complete crap value once PS5 launches thanks to the BC.
I got my PS4 at a pretty deep discount long before the slim or Pro were around. There may have been some holiday sales plus other cartwheel crap I used (got ot at Target) don't really remember. In any case, there are always ways to get discounts especially around the holidays once the system is no longer brand new.

[FrostKing]

Consoles in the year 2020. Mind blown.

In before "home entertainment system!"

[spurraider21]

Consoles in the year 2020. Mind blown.

In before "home entertainment system!"
lol more things you're bitter about

[NASpurs]

No way this isn't $500. And Sony could charge it and get away with it because they have Microsoft by the balls.

[Reck]

No way this isn't $500. And Sony could charge it and get away with it because they have Microsoft by the balls.

500 is actually a reasonable price by today's standards. Hell it would only be a 100 dollar price tag increase over the PS4.

Though I doubt the price would be that low at launch.

[lefty]

I don’t have the time to play anymore tbh, except for the occasional NBA 2K19 or FIFA 19 game

[baseline bum]

No way this isn't $500. And Sony could charge it and get away with it because they have Microsoft by the balls.

They could easily blow it like they did with PS3. Sony had a much bigger stranglehold on the gaming market back then coming off the dominance of the PS2.

[baseline bum]

I don’t have the time to play anymore tbh, except for the occasional NBA 2K19 or FIFA 19 game

No more Flappy Plane?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7psIfButF0

[Reck]

They could easily blow it like they did with PS3. Sony had a much bigger stranglehold on the gaming market back then coming off the dominance of the PS2.

That's going to be hard to do given how weak the lolbox has been for the last 7 or so years.

Sony started trashing Microsoft by the end of the PS3 life cycle and completely anihilated them with the PS4.

Sony would have to go full retard+1 to undo the advantage they hold now.

[baseline bum]

That's going to be hard to do given how weak the lolbox has been for the last 7 or so years.

Sony started trashing Microsoft by the end of the PS3 life cycle and completely anihilated them with the PS4.

Sony would have to go full retard+1 to undo the advantage they hold now.

They went full retard in 2006. XBox went full retard in 2013. Seems to be a tick-tock pattern tbh. Pushing ray-tracing could be Playstation's full retard moment for 2020.

[spurraider21]

That's going to be hard to do given how weak the lolbox has been for the last 7 or so years.

Sony started trashing Microsoft by the end of the PS3 life cycle and completely anihilated them with the PS4.

Sony would have to go full retard+1 to undo the advantage they hold now.
a good start to fucking up would be to make their console $100 more expensive than their competition

[baseline bum]

a good start to fucking up would be to make their console $100 more expensive than their competition

Yeah completely fucked the PS3 and XBox One

[Reck]

Yeah completely fucked the PS3 and XBox One

Microsoft fucked Microsoft by bombing their console announcement and having nearly zero game exclusives.

I would gladly pay an extra 100 if it means non stop triple A games that are not only exclusives but top notch shit. Microsoft has a studio and developer problem that goes beyond console pricing.

There so much the corpse of Halo can do for you. :lol

[spurraider21]

Yeah completely fucked the PS3 and XBox One
yeah and the ps2 was the highest selling console ever, sold 5-6 timse as many units as the xbox, and they still lost a ton of ground to microsoft that gen (though it helped that the 360 came out a year before the ps3...)

[140]

No more Flappy Plane?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7psIfButF0
:lol

[aj3292]

I'm just totally angry that the backwards compatibility stops at PS4, even though I expected no different all this time. I don't understand, what is the point in not supporting older games? This just takes away more value from the new system.

[baseline bum]

Well today AMD unveiled Navi 10 as an RTX 2070 competitor at significantly higher power consumption and $450, so this hype about the PS5 being a system with a really killer gpu just got a ton of cold water thrown on it. That was going to depend on AMD making massive efficiency improvements with the lithography shrink to 7nm, but they're not even as power efficient as the Nvidia gpus on 12nm. To even hit a $500 price point with the current gpu price inflation I can't imagine seeing anything better than GTX 1660 performance. So we're probably looking at PS5 being 40-50% more powerful on the gpu side than PS4 Pro.

[baseline bum]

PoorStation 5 devkits look like shit tbh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EBqiiFzvRo

[Reck]

PoorStation 5 devkits look like shit tbh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EBqiiFzvRo

At least they recognize it and might go back to the drawing board or at the very least tweak their shit.

The PS5 was rush, imo. I know they've been kind of working on it behind closed doors but they just officially announced it last year with a 2020 release in mind. That always had the potential to crash and burn to me.

I'm happy with the PS4 and I will keep it as long as I can.

[baseline bum]

At least they recognize it and might go back to the drawing board or at the very least tweak their shit.

The PS5 was rush, imo. I know they've been kind of working on it behind closed doors but they just officially announced it last year with a 2020 release in mind. That always had the potential to crash and burn to me.

I'm happy with the PS4 and I will keep it as long as I can.

The PS4 cpu just sucks and completely bottlenecks the gpu in the PS4 Pro. PS5's cpu should put 1080p60 on the table. What development was Sony doing though? AMD is the one who did the heavy lifting. Hopefully Dear Leader goes down in flames November 2020 and Sony is willing to take the hit for a few months until a new president cancels those retarded tariffs.

[spurraider21]

The PS4 cpu just sucks and completely bottlenecks the gpu in the PS4 Pro. PS5's cpu should put 1080p60 on the table. What development was Sony doing though? AMD is the one who did the heavy lifting. Hopefully Dear Leader goes down in flames November 2020 and Sony is willing to take the hit for a few months until a new president cancels those retarded tariffs.
i dont know what any of that means but i know when i press the button, it turns on, i can play my games without issue, and the games are fun

[spurraider21]

that guy mentions a rumor that it might be backwards compatible beyond just the ps4. that would be insane. if i can pop in ps3/ps2 disks in the ps5... that definitely makes it worth a day 1 purchase for me imo

[baseline bum]

that guy mentions a rumor that it might be backwards compatible beyond just the ps4. that would be insane. if i can pop in ps3/ps2 disks in the ps5... that definitely makes it worth a day 1 purchase for me imo

I'd be absolutely fucking floored if it had PS3 BC. And almost as shocked if it had PS2 BC since Sony wants you to buy the digital versions of PS2 Classics with trophy support added in, not using discs you picked up at Goodwill for a dollar.

The proprietary SSD would also give me pause for using PS5 as a PS2/PS3/PS4 replacement, especially if the fucker is soldered in and/or bound to the console (like the blu-ray drive in the PS3 or the hard drive in the OG XBox), making it not something I could easily replace like we can the PS3/PS4 hard drives.

[spurraider21]

as long as it plays the game when i put the disc in

[baseline bum]

as long as it plays the game when i put the disc in

I'm going to be pissed if my digital PS4 library doesn't carry over to PS5, since I just buy whichever is cheaper between digital and physical for my PS4 games.

Also you don't have any digital PS3 games? I have about a billion of them. I only put CFW on my PS3 to play Japanese games I couldn't buy from PSN like 龍が如く維新！and Nier Replicant.

I guess if PS5 supports replaceable internal hard drives then I'd consider moving my old libraries onto it.

[spurraider21]

I'm going to be pissed if my digital PS4 library doesn't carry over to PS5, since I just buy whichever is cheaper between digital and physical for my PS4 games.

Also you don't have any digital PS3 games? I have about a billion of them. I only put CFW on my PS3 to play Japanese games I couldn't buy from PSN like 龍が如く維新！and Nier Replicant.

I guess if PS5 supports replaceable internal hard drives then I'd consider moving my old libraries onto it.
oh, i'm sure if it will play the discs, they'll honor the digital versions. i was just giving a dumbed down comment of "as long i can play my games on the console, i'm happy"...

you know when in the movies, there's the smart guy breaking down all the potential problems with a new device, and then theres the idiot with the actual decision making power who says BUT WILL IT WORK? i'm that idiot.

all the hardware mumbo jumbo doesnt move me. if the console lets me play good games, i'm happy with it.

and to answer your question, i dont have many digital ps3 games. i have infamous 1 and a remaster of max payne, as far as i remember. that and some DLCs

[ElNono]

In Major Blow To Sony’s Upcoming PlayStation 5, Microsoft Announces PlayStation 6

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Sony made waves last month when chief architect Mike Cerny gave a first look at the specs for the next-gen successor to the PlayStation 4, making them the first to throw their hat in the ring for the next round of console wars. But all that excitement just fell by the wayside because today, in a major blow to Sony’s upcoming plans for the PlayStation 5, Microsoft announced its new console: the PlayStation 6.

If you are working at Sony, you can’t be happy about this.

The PlayStation 4 has both a rabid fanbase and by far the biggest market share for gaming consoles, currently more than the Xbox One and Switch combined, so for Microsoft to scoop Sony on the next generation of PlayStation is a huge setback. Not only will the PlayStation 6 boast 10th-generation graphics and performance that the ninth generation PS5 can’t match, but Microsoft has also positioned itself to capitalize on the built-in 90-million-person user base of the PlayStation Network.

The PlayStation 6 will also seriously upend Sony’s former dominance in the software department, giving Microsoft access to the huge array of popular PlayStation-exclusive titles such as Uncharted and God Of War. If that wasn’t a big enough slap in the face to Sony, it was revealed during the announcement that the PlayStation 6 will be backwards compatible with all PlayStation games, including the PlayStation 5. Ouch. After the struggles of the Xbox One, Microsoft needed to swing for the fences, and it looks like they just hit it out of the park.

It remains to be seen how Sony responds to getting leapfrogged by Microsoft like this. Some Sony fanboys are already insisting the PlayStation 5 will be better than the PlayStation 6, but it’s going to be a hard sell when the 5 is inferior in every technological sense and has no exclusive games. Sony’s best hope to stay relevant may be appealing to completionist gamers who will want to own both a PlayStation 5 and a PlayStation 6, but no matter what happens, it seems like they will be fighting for second place. By losing out on the next generation of PlayStations to Microsoft, Sony’s place at the top of the console market may have just come to an end.


https://ogn.theonion.com/in-major-blow-to-sony-s-upcoming-playstation-5-microso-1834895267

[baseline bum]

PS5 is rumored to have a 9.2 TFLOPS gpu, which would put it at RX 5700 XT power. This has gotta be bullshit right? How could you possibly make a console with an 8C/16T Zen 3 cpu (already officially confirmed), an SSD (officially confirmed) that I can't imagine will be anything other than 1TB, and then a 5700 XT level gpu and not completely lose your ass selling it for $500? Especially when there is likely to be 12-16 GB of 14GBps GDDR6 RAM in it? Phil Spencer already confirmed a gpu twice as strong as the one in the XBox One X will be in the high end version of the next XBox, so if he means raw gpu power he'd be talking 12 TFLOPS which really sounds hard to believe too.

These leaks about the new consoles don't add up at all. I mean are PC gamers getting fucked that viciously on hardware prices?

[FrostKing]

All that just to play a CD?

[ElNono]

would love to answer some of that, tbh

[baseline bum]

would love to answer some of that, tbh

How many micheladas for the info?

[Reck]

would love to answer some of that, tbh

Letss meet and talk about it my nigga. You’re like 30 minutes away. Provided you still live in NJ.

[ElNono]

Letss meet and talk about it my nigga. You’re like 30 minutes away. Provided you still live in NJ.

Live in Los Angeles now, currently visiting family in the Rio Grande Valley, and this particular weekend in San Antonio :lol

[baseline bum]

Live in Los Angeles now, currently visiting family in the Rio Grande Valley, and this particular weekend in San Antonio :lol

How you liking Cali, man? Winters are brutal when it drops to 56 huh?

[ElNono]

How you liking Cali, man? Winters are brutal when it drops to 56 huh?

:lol Haven’t had a full blown winter yet. Summer is super nice. Dry heat as opposed that NY sticky heat, tbh.

[baseline bum]

:lol Haven’t had a full blown winter yet. Summer is super nice. Dry heat as opposed that NY sticky heat, tbh.

OK with that out of the way, tell me about that god damn gpu. :lol

Really wondering if there's even any point to PC gaming if I'm paying $400 just for the gpu just to be on par with next gen consoles. Or in my case below par since my cpu is a 4C/8T Xeon E3-1231v3 that's significantly weaker than the officially announced PS5 cpu.

jk, I know your ass can't talk :lol

[ElNono]

Just remember that there’s a lot of savings in having the CPU and GPU on the same die, as we’ve seen in the PS4 and XBO.

Sure, you wouldn’t build a system like that for your PC, since you want it to be upgradeable, but in those systems the trade off can actually be exploited as a plus for performance, and include lower costs. Less components, less buses, smaller footprint, less sourcing, less QA, etc.

[ElNono]

In a lot of ways it’s like cellphones, being SoC, can get cheap real quick

[baseline bum]

Just remember that there’s a lot of savings in having the CPU and GPU on the same die, as we’ve seen in the PS4 and XBO.

Sure, you wouldn’t build a system like that for your PC, since you want it to be upgradeable, but in those systems the trade off can actually be exploited as a plus for performance, and include lower costs. Less components, less buses, smaller footprint, less sourcing, less QA, etc.

I'm going to take that as code for "lol pc gaming" and "lol this gen of gpus." Too bad because this is a great time for CPU, RAM, and SSD upgrades.

[ElNono]

PC gaming will be fine. Furthermore, it always is the place for innovation.

Just my 2c

[baseline bum]

PC gaming will be fine. Furthermore, it always is the place for innovation.

Just my 2c

But lol pc gaming if you don't want to spend on a 2080 and up?

[baseline bum]

Man if this is legit, PlayStation 5 could really be awesome.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PqMj6aSYH0

[spurraider21]

Live in Los Angeles now,
part of the reason i left tbh


currently visiting family in the Rio Grande Valley, and this particular weekend in San Antonio :lol
code for helping them across the border, tbh?

[baseline bum]

part of the reason i left tbh


code for helping them across the border, tbh?

ElNono doing god's work, turning Texas purple 30 relatives at a time.

[baseline bum]

Kind of disappointing to see from that DigitalFoundry video above that PS5 looks like it'll have a PS4 Pro and a PS4 base mode for the gpu to run at, so sounds like we won't see PS4 games looking better on PS5 like we for instance see some XBox 360 games (eg RDR1) running better on XBox One. I still don't know where DF is getting the idea that system could sell for only $400 though with an RX 5700 XT level gpu, a Ryzen 8C/16T, likely 16GB GDDR6 RAM, and an expensive SSD that will surely be 1TB. I mean $500 sounds like a bargain for that system. $400 sounds like a complete pipe dream.

[ElNono]

ElNono doing god's work, turning Texas purple 30 relatives at a time.

Triggering dem conservatards

[spurraider21]

Kind of disappointing to see from that DigitalFoundry video above that PS5 looks like it'll have a PS4 Pro and a PS4 base mode for the gpu to run at, so sounds like we won't see PS4 games looking better on PS5 like we for instance see some XBox 360 games (eg RDR1) running better on XBox One. I still don't know where DF is getting the idea that system could sell for only $400 though with an RX 5700 XT level gpu, a Ryzen 8C/16T, likely 16GB GDDR6 RAM, and an expensive SSD that will surely be 1TB. I mean $500 sounds like a bargain for that system. $400 sounds like a complete pipe dream.
:lol PoorC players realizing they've been getting ripped off all along

[baseline bum]

:lol PoorC players realizing they've been getting ripped off all along

PC was a good buy this gen, at least the first half, before Sony started getting all their killer exclusives out. It looks fucking piss poor next gen though if these leaks are to be believed.

[baseline bum]

Triggering dem conservatards

Best part is all the girls above 11 are pregnant right? So you get an exponential migration. Can you sneak AMLO across too so we got someone good to run in 2020?

[ElNono]

Man if this is legit, PlayStation 5 could really be awesome.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PqMj6aSYH0

You should be excited, not just because of the hardware...

[ElNono]

Best part is all the girls above 11 are pregnant right? So you get an exponential migration. Can you sneak AMLO across too so we got someone good to run in 2020?

That’s their third kid by 11 from what I hear, tbh

[baseline bum]

You should be excited, not just because of the hardware...

Persona 6 a launch title?

[TDMVPDPOY]

whoever design the ps5 exterior...needs to jump in a pit of cum and shit...ugly piece of shit

[baseline bum]

whoever design the ps5 exterior...needs to jump in a pit of cum and shit...ugly piece of shit

That's just the devkit. They designed it that way so it could get cooling while a bunch of them were stacked on each other and running.

This is what PS3 devkits looked like
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/shr7kbAiyhs/maxresdefault.jpg

Here is a PS4 devkit
https://i.redd.it/1bbk3htcxe211.jpg

[spurraider21]

You should be excited, not just because of the hardware...
Goat of War 2?

[baseline bum]

Goat of War 2?

Nah man, I don't think Santa Monica is going to make a sequel of their wildly successful and critically acclaimed series tbh. Also, what if Microsoft makes a God of War 3 to pre-empt it?

[spurraider21]

Nah man, I don't think Santa Monica is going to make a sequel of their wildly successful and critically acclaimed series tbh. Also, what if Microsoft makes a God of War 3 to pre-empt it?
:lol i know its being made... but it would be pretty great if it was announced as a launch game

[baseline bum]

:lol i know its being made... but it would be pretty great if it was announced as a launch game

On Spurstalk :lol

[baseline bum]

Seriously, if Sony comes out and says 9.2 TFLOPS gpu and $499 I'm putting in my pre-order to Best Buy two minutes later.

[spurraider21]

Seriously, if Sony comes out and says 9.2 TFLOPS gpu and $499 I'm putting in my pre-order to Best Buy two minutes later.
:lol on spurstalk

[RD2191]

Live in Los Angeles now, currently visiting family in the Rio Grande Valley, and this particular weekend in San Antonio :lol

Damn bro, making moves like El Chapo.

[baseline bum]

Damn bro, making moves like El Chapo.

Bend over. I'll show you making moves.

[ElNono]

Persona 6 a launch title?

Considering your game taste, even better

[ElNono]

Damn bro, making moves like El Chapo.

If you still have your scooter we can go get tamales at Delia’s tbh

[ElNono]

Nah man, I don't think Santa Monica is going to make a sequel of their wildly successful and critically acclaimed series tbh. Also, what if Microsoft makes a God of War 3 to pre-empt it?

SR21 talking out of his ass per par, like he even knows where SMS is at, tbh :rolleyes

[baseline bum]

Considering your game taste, even better

プレイステーションにもうすぐ真・女神転生を来る？任天堂は糞だと思っているんだけど・・・

[spurraider21]

Considering your game taste, even better
Bloodbornagain

[spurraider21]

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[baseline bum]

俺は日本人の四分の一だ。お母さんは青森の出身だ。

[ElNono]

お母さんとセックスして

[ElNono]

Just doesn’t translate well :lol

[spurraider21]

折り返し、プレイステーションを紹介します

[spurraider21]

translate works very poorly tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

折り返し、プレイステーションを紹介します

分からない

[spurraider21]

:lol bend over i'll show you became "turn around and introduce" :lol

[baseline bum]

:lol bend over i'll show you became "turn around and introduce" :lol

:lmao

[baseline bum]

お母さんとセックスして

何これ？お前は変態かもしれないと思ってる。ったく、メキシコに帰ってください。

[ElNono]

何これ？お前は変態かもしれないと思ってる。ったく、メキシコに帰ってください。

シャインボックスをつかむ

[baseline bum]

Please tell me Cory Borlaug went to CES for Sony to show off more than just the PS5 logo.

[Reck]

Did I just saw they unveiled a car? :lol are we that low on info that we need to fill time by talking about cars?

[ElNono]

Please tell me Cory Borlaug went to CES for Sony to show off more than just the PS5 logo.

I've been OOTO all week. I'll ask Cory tomorrow.

[apalisoc_9]

whats the point of BC for 1,2...

those games are hideous

[baseline bum]

whats the point of BC for 1,2...

those games are hideous

LOL what? PS2 is probably the GOAT gaming library of any console.

[spurraider21]

LOL what? PS2 is probably the GOAT gaming library of any console.
i would be thrilled if they announced full BP. i still have a decent collection on ps3 and ps2 games (much crappier one for PS1)... but would be great to be able to play them all off one console instead of having to reconnect an old, shitty, dusty console that im storing just to play an old game for an hour or two

agreed on PS2 library. theres a reason its the highest selling console of all time, even including things like game boy

[baseline bum]

i would be thrilled if they announced full BP. i still have a decent collection on ps3 and ps2 games (much crappier one for PS1)... but would be great to be able to play them all off one console instead of having to reconnect an old, shitty, dusty console that im storing just to play an old game for an hour or two

agreed on PS2 library. theres a reason its the highest selling console of all time, even including things like game boy

I would still guess it's a real longshot to get more than PS4 BC. At least now they won't remove it later on like they did with PS2 BC on PS3 since it doesn't need extra hardware. Though maybe we'll get partial PS3 BC like XB1 does for 360 where the more popular games get XB1 ports that download to your hard drive the first time you put a 360 disc in for a supported game. For PS2 I know the PS2 Classics they did for PS4 were upscaled and added trophy support, and you had to buy them off PSN. So I'd imagine that's the best you'll get for PS2 BC in the PS5. God would I love full PS2 emulation in PS5 though. PS1 I don't care since I can do that on my PS3 or my Vita. PS2 I care about though since component input is being quickly phased out of TVs and there is no really good HDMI solution for hooking up a PS2 AFAIK.

What I'm really hoping for out of PS5 is that the 2020 PS4 lineup gets 60 fps + higher resolution patches for PS5 that are free if you own the PS4 version of the game. It would make sense since PS4 has a ridiculously strong 2020 lineup but launch titles for PS5 will likely be pretty crap just like they were for PS4 and PS3. I mean we still don't even know any launch titles for PS5. So Sony could use the strong 2020 PS4 lineup as a de-facto PS5 launch library. Not like I'll ever get through all the great stuff coming out for PS4 this year by the time PS5 launches anyways.

[spurraider21]

I would still guess it's a real longshot to get more than PS4 BC. At least now they won't remove it later on like they did with PS2 BC on PS3 since it doesn't need extra hardware. Though maybe we'll get partial PS3 BC like XB1 does for 360 where the more popular games get XB1 ports that download to your hard drive the first time you put a 360 disc in for a supported game. For PS2 I know the PS2 Classics they did for PS4 were upscaled and added trophy support, and you had to buy them off PSN. So I'd imagine that's the best you'll get for PS2 BC in the PS5. God would I love full PS2 emulation in PS5 though. PS1 I don't care since I can do that on my PS3 or my Vita. PS2 I care about though since component input is being quickly phased out of TVs and there is no really good HDMI solution for hooking up a PS2 AFAIK.

What I'm really hoping for out of PS5 is that the 2020 PS4 lineup gets 60 fps + higher resolution patches for PS5 that are free if you own the PS4 version of the game. It would make sense since PS4 has a ridiculously strong 2020 lineup but launch titles for PS5 will likely be pretty crap just like they were for PS4 and PS3. I mean we still don't even know any launch titles for PS5. So Sony could use the strong 2020 PS4 lineup as a de-facto PS5 launch library. Not like I'll ever get through all the great stuff coming out for PS4 this year by the time PS5 launches anyways.
are there any PS4 games that you'd care for a full on remaster of?

[baseline bum]

are there any PS4 games that you'd care for a full on remaster of?

Not really, but I'd love to see 60 fps patches for games like Bloodborne, God of War, NieR Automata, Horizon Zero Dawn, Control, The Witcher 3, Dying Light, Uncharted 4, plus the upcoming 2020 PS4 lineup.

[spurraider21]

Not really, but I'd love to see 60 fps patches for games like Bloodborne, God of War, NieR Automata, Horizon Zero Dawn, Control, The Witcher 3, Dying Light, Uncharted 4, plus the upcoming 2020 PS4 lineup.
Sony: Nah. But don't worry, you'll be getting your Shadow of the Colossus remaster and you're going to like it.

[baseline bum]

Sony: Nah. But don't worry, you'll be getting your Shadow of the Colossus remaster and you're going to like it.

The SOTC remake on PS4 is actually pretty fucking great.

[spurraider21]

The SOTC remake on PS4 is actually pretty fucking great.
i picked that up some time ago, its on my backlog

(ive never played any version of the game... i know its a classic)

[baseline bum]

i picked that up some time ago, its on my backlog

(ive never played any version of the game... i know its a classic)

PS2 version has aged badly but the remake is pretty impressive. Controls are still pretty similar to PS2 though.

[Reck]

Sony is in full don’t give a fuck mode. They’re skipping the 2020 E3 event again.

They got so much clout that they can do this and not lose out over it.

[baseline bum]

Sony is in full don’t give a fuck mode. They’re skipping the 2020 E3 event again.

They got so much clout that they can do this and not lose out over it.

It's stupid. Their E3 presentations were amazing for showing off the games in actual gamplay instead of crap ads and cutscenes like they show in the State of Plays. E3 2016 is the whole reason I bought a PS4. I could actually see in real gameplay that these franchises I had never played were awesome. The normal heavily edited presentations everyone else does are dime a dozen and don't get me hyped to buy a game I wasn't already 100% sold on.

[Reck]

It's stupid. Their E3 presentations were amazing for showing off the games in actual gamplay instead of crap ads and cutscenes like they show in the State of Plays. E3 2016 is the whole reason I bought a PS4. I could actually see in real gameplay that these franchises I had never played were awesome. The normal heavily edited presentations everyone else does are dime a dozen and don't get me hyped to buy a game I wasn't already 100% sold on.

I think Sony is content with doing their own show. They have state of play and the Tokyo game show all to themselves, no?

[baseline bum]

I think Sony is content with doing their own show. They have state of play and the Tokyo game show all to themselves, no?

State of Plays are fucking crap every time they do them. Sony was the one company that actually did compelling E3 shows.

[ElNono]

I hate state of play. I think it's terrible.

[baseline bum]

Man I gotta be the only one who thought Sony's 2018 E3 was awesome.

[baseline bum]

Sounds like PS5 may get an official reveal on February 5th.

[spurraider21]

Sounds like PS5 may get an official reveal on February 5th.
i know you dont think its likely but im still keeping fingers crossed for complete backwards compatibility

[apalisoc_9]

the new sony boses are stupid and have zero touch. Might move to PC or Xbox for next gen

[baseline bum]

the new sony boses are stupid and have zero touch. Might move to PC or Xbox for next gen

Terrible time to go PC with the cost of gpus. Nvidia took the straight midrange from $250 to $400 this gen and AMD followed suit. And they're not very impressive cards compared to the better priced Pascal lineup from 2016. Most PC components are priced pretty well now (especially cpu and ssd), but the gpu prices suck and it's doubtful these cards are going to hold up well over the generation if the new console baseline is the rumored RX 5700 XT level gpu for the PS5. If you want something more powerful than the rumored PS5 gpu you're looking at $500 US for the RTX 2070 Super at the minimum.

[Reck]

I’m not gonna be an early adapter this time around. Probably won’t be at all but if it’s cheap..who knows.

But if they go back to the crossbar PS3 style I just might buy it from the jump. I still use my PS3 as media. The thing plays music in the background while you do something else and the way it plays video it’s still king. The PS4 is such shit compare to the way the PS3 does. Also can copy files to the hard drive which you can’t do on the PS4.

[baseline bum]

I’m not gonna be an early adapter this time around. Probably won’t be at all but if it’s cheap..who knows.

But if they go back to the crossbar PS3 style I just might buy it from the jump. I still use my PS3 as media. The thing plays music in the background while you do something else and the way it plays video it’s still king. The PS4 is such shit compare to the way the PS3 does. Also can copy files to the hard drive which you can’t do on the PS4.

This one actually looks like it might be worth it though. PS4 was lousy hardware even by the standards of 2013 and PS3 was just terrible design for a gaming console from the ridiculous cpu to not having unified memory (which was probably 360's biggest ace in the hole that gen). But PS5 looks powerful and it looks like it's somewhat of a familiar platform to program for since it's looking like a very upgraded PS4. Maybe the leaks are all bullshit and this will end up with disappointing hardware just like PS4 did, but respected journalists in the field seem to think the leaks could be legit.

[baseline bum]

i know you dont think its likely but im still keeping fingers crossed for complete backwards compatibility

Might as well hope for XBox BC too in the PS5 then. Hope I can play my Wii games too.

[spurraider21]

Might as well hope for XBox BC too in the PS5 then. Hope I can play my Wii games too.
How about you go fuck your mother some more

[ElNono]

i know you dont think its likely but im still keeping fingers crossed for complete backwards compatibility

define 'complete backwards compatibility'?

[spurraider21]

define 'complete backwards compatibility'?
going back to ps2/3

[baseline bum]

How about you go fuck your mother some more

Bend over. I'll give you complete backwards compatibility.

[ElNono]

going back to ps2/3

thanks

[spurraider21]

thanks
https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpz81S7usvTIM8w/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[baseline bum]

Ugh, President Bloomberg says this costs $450 to manufacture. Which is only 8% more than PS4 cost to make in inflation adjusted 2020 dollars, and PS4 had total dogshit in it for hardware. If this is true it means the previous leaks about it having pretty strong hardware have to be bullshit.

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[Reck]

Ugh, President Bloomberg says this costs $450 to manufacture. Which is only 8% more than PS4 cost to make in inflation adjusted 2020 dollars, and PS4 had total dogshit in it for hardware. If this is true it means the previous leaks about it having pretty strong hardware have to be bullshit.

1228170578760044546

Sony should go the Microsoft route. Just release same console but upgraded. like they did with the pro. They should make that a guiding principal.

[baseline bum]

Sony should go the Microsoft route. Just release same console but upgraded. like they did with the pro. They should make that a guiding principal.

Dude, that's exactly what they're doing with PS5. A cpu fully BC with PS4's and an upgraded gpu that can be downclocked and have cores disabled to be a PS4 Pro or PS4 Slim gpu.

[Reck]

Dude, that's exactly what they're doing with PS5. A cpu fully BC with PS4's and an upgraded gpu that can be downclocked and have cores disabled to be a PS4 Pro or PS4 Slim gpu.

Why call it PS5 then. Confusing jargon

[baseline bum]

Why call it PS5 then. Confusing jargon

What name could possibly be clearer than PS5?

[Reck]

What name could possibly be clearer than PS5?

Playstation? I was talking about how Windows 10 is forever now Windows 10 with upgrades every 6 months.

[baseline bum]

Playstation? I was talking about how Windows 10 is forever now Windows 10 with upgrades every 6 months.

Windows 10 is software. You can't download an update and get a new cpu + gpu + RAM out of it.

[Reck]

Windows 10 is software. You can't download an update and get a new cpu + gpu + RAM out of it.

Suck a dick my nigga.

[spurraider21]

Windows 10 is software. You can't download an update and get a new cpu + gpu + RAM out of it.
i beg to differ

downloadmoreram.com (http://downloadmoreram.com)

[baseline bum]

1239884910812450816

Get in here spurraider21, apalisoc_9, Reck, Chris

[spurraider21]

i dont understand computers/hardware well enough to understand anything they're going to say tbh :lol... i'm just holding out hope for the pipe dream of backwards compatibility beyond the ps4

[Reck]

I'm doing absolutely nothing so will watch. Helps this will be pacific time so I can sleep in and still have hours to spare.

Hey baseline bum are they sticking with mechanical hard drives or will go with SSDs? I'm hooked on it. I recently switched to them and the speed is night and day. No wonder HDDs are going for like 50 bucks for 2TB.

[baseline bum]

I'm doing absolutely nothing so will watch. Helps this will be pacific time so I can sleep in and still have hours to spare.

Hey baseline bum are they sticking with mechanical hard drives or will go with SSDs? I'm hooked on it. I recently switched to them and the speed is night and day. No wonder HDDs are going for like 50 bucks for 2TB.

PCIE-4.0 SSD. Much faster than any SSD you can put in PS4.

[apalisoc_9]

dont really know much about hardware scrah.

How big is teraflop? Keep hearing xlol fsnboys throw the word around a lot

[spurraider21]

how many horse powers and ram powers does it have?

[baseline bum]

dont really know much about hardware scrah.

How big is teraflop? Keep hearing xlol fsnboys throw the word around a lot

If it's 9.2 TFLOPS it means it should be able to run quite a few games at 4k60 fps, and then many others at 1440p or 1800p with checkerboarding to upscale to 4k. The system would be like a strongly upper midrange gaming PC. If it's more like XBox Series X at 12.1 TFLOPS it'll be on par with a quite high end gaming PC.

[baseline bum]

how many horse powers and ram powers does it have?

That's the whole point of the reveal tomorrow :lol

[apalisoc_9]

I'm doing absolutely nothing so will watch. Helps this will be pacific time so I can sleep in and still have hours to spare.

Hey baseline bum are they sticking with mechanical hard drives or will go with SSDs? I'm hooked on it. I recently switched to them and the speed is night and day. No wonder HDDs are going for like 50 bucks for 2TB.

everyone sleeping in man. We got told to self quarantine and its all paid.

Dont even know what to do next two weeks. Probably learn a skill or two and play nioh 2.

[ElNono]

But how many Libraries of Congress can you store in it?

[baseline bum]

But how many Libraries of Congress can you store in it?

Think this will sell well after we go into great depression ii? Only wwviii will pull us out of it.

[baseline bum]

i dont understand computers/hardware well enough to understand anything they're going to say tbh :lol... i'm just holding out hope for the pipe dream of backwards compatibility beyond the ps4

Bend over, I'll give you backwards compatibility.

[spurraider21]

Bend over, I'll give you backwards compatibility.
if it goes back to the ps2 i just might

[apalisoc_9]

if it goes back to the ps2 i just might

unless ps5 can optimize these ps2 games its honestly just a desire out of nostalgia. ps2 and ps1 games are hideous

[spurraider21]

unless ps5 can optimize these ps2 games its honestly just a desire out of nostalgia. ps2 and ps1 games are hideous
games dont have to be graphically impressive to be enjoyable

[ElNono]

No comment. I like spurraider though, I think he deserves his wish...

[ElNono]

Think this will sell well after we go into great depression ii? Only wwviii will pull us out of it.

This shit is a mess for everybody, but this console gen is going to last for a while if the current gen is any indication, so hopefully it's just a matter of time.

[baseline bum]

unless ps5 can optimize these ps2 games its honestly just a desire out of nostalgia. ps2 and ps1 games are hideous

This from the guy who always used to post about Suikoden. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

This from the guy who always used to post about Suikoden. :lol

2d vs 3d scrah.

2D games are tolerable on tv. They look clean.

meanwhile 3rd ps1 and ps2 games are some of the worst looking games ever.

id rather play an snes 2d games

[ElNono]

there are things that can be done about looks... I mean, it won't be PBR looking, but it can be improved somewhat

[baseline bum]

there are things that can be done about looks... I mean, it won't be PBR looking, but it can be improved somewhat

Bend over. I don't care about looks.

[Reck]

unless ps5 can optimize these ps2 games its honestly just a desire out of nostalgia. ps2 and ps1 games are hideous

tbh :lol

There's no way I’d go back to polygon, pixelated looking mongoloid characters after been exposed to hi def video games. I’d rather just pay the extra 40 to have it remastered or remade ala Spyro and Crash Bandicoot.

[spurraider21]

No comment. I like spurraider though, I think he deserves his wish...
https://media.giphy.com/media/FZuRP6WaW5qg/giphy.gif

[baseline bum]

2d vs 3d scrah.

2D games are tolerable on tv. They look clean.

meanwhile 3rd ps1 and ps2 games are some of the worst looking games ever.

id rather play an snes 2d games

PS1 3D games look like shit. I thought they looked like shit 25 years ago too. Lots of PS2 games still look great today though. GTA Vice City, GTA San Andreas, Persona 3/4, Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2, Katamari Damacy, God of War, Ratchet & Clank series, Sly Fox series, SSX3, Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2, etc are all still awesome to play, and I say that as someone who just got his first PS2 last year.

[Reck]

Do we have a youtube streaming for this? This goes down in 48 minutes.

[baseline bum]

Do we have a youtube streaming for this? This goes down in 48 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8LyNIT9sg

[Reck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8LyNIT9sg

Arigato

[baseline bum]

Arigato

どういたしまして。

[baseline bum]

スタートです。

[Reck]

I thought this guy was about to say sorry we just canceled. :lol

[Xevious]

When did Dana Carvey get a job at Sony?

[NASpurs]

This guy talking, holy shit. Just wanna kill myself

[baseline bum]

セルニーは何も話しているんだなー

[Xevious]

Somebody is going to have to post the ten peso version later.

[NASpurs]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/152884184065507328/689865985297219760/SnapCrab_NoName_2020-3-18_17-1-0_No-00.png

[baseline bum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/152884184065507328/689865985297219760/SnapCrab_NoName_2020-3-18_17-1-0_No-00.png

Damn where did you get that?

[baseline bum]

10.2 TFLOPS would put it around RTX 2070 Super performance.

[NASpurs]

Damn where did you get that?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-5-specs-revealed-by-eurogamer.175803/

[Reck]

This guy talking, holy shit. Just wanna kill myself

:lmao

At least he's talking about one of my concerns I brought up yesterday. SSD all the way baby.

[NASpurs]

Can the government send my economic relief $$$ for a pre-order for this? Thanks Uncle Sam.

[baseline bum]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-5-specs-revealed-by-eurogamer.175803/

thanks

[NASpurs]

I find it interesting you can expand the storage with an NVMe SSD slot.

[baseline bum]

Can the government send my economic relief $$$ for a pre-order for this? Thanks Uncle Sam.

You're not going to get one of these until next year man.

[NASpurs]

You're not going to get one of these until next year man.

WTF, I read it was in a couple of weeks :pctoss I need my PS5 $$$

[140]

Fuck me this is boring

[baseline bum]

10.2 TFLOPS RDNA2 is going to be a fucking massively strong gpu. They're going to have to sell this $100 cheaper than Series X though since it has a weaker gpu, slightly weaker cpu, and smaller SSD. RDNA2 must be really fucking impressive to run at 2.23 GHz in a console form factor. So Navi 2 is going to be really impressive for PC.

[baseline bum]

WTF, I read it was in a couple of weeks :pctoss I need my PS5 $$$

Talking about the PS5, no way this launches on time.

[NASpurs]

Talking about the PS5, no way this launches on time.

My bad you're right because of the virus and all that.

[NASpurs]

What are the chances they do a Nintendo and still launch with massive shortages?

[baseline bum]

Damn this could have been a $400 system in normal times when you could depend on heavy adoption and making that money back in the long run on game sales. Fuck. Probably going to have to sell it around $550 to make any profit though.

[baseline bum]

Sorry spurraider21, dude only talking about PS4 BC.

[NASpurs]

Man, I'm as hardcore of a tech geek as they come but I can't take this. This guy is too much. I'm bailing. :lol

[Reck]

Man, I'm as hardcore of a tech geek as they come but I can't take this. This guy is too much. I'm bailing. :lol

Same. I tuned out about 10 minutes ago and left it in the background but this guy is too boring even for background noise. :lol

[baseline bum]

https://i.ibb.co/jDZLm3m/cmp.jpg

[spurraider21]

Sorry spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905), dude only talking about PS4 BC.
this is worse than the coronavirus

[baseline bum]

Damn Navi 1 seems to be very sensitive to memory bandwidth. If Navi 2 is the same the Series X could be quite a bit more powerful than the PS5.

[spurraider21]

Damn Navi 1 seems to be very sensitive to memory bandwidth. If Navi 2 is the same the Series X could be quite a bit more powerful than the PS5.
yeah but it wont be getting god of war/horizon/TLOU sequels

[baseline bum]

yeah but it wont be getting god of war/horizon/TLOU sequels

It's doubtful GOW/Horizon are coming for 2-3 years since we have seen nothing about them yet though.

[Reck]

It's doubtful GOW/Horizon are coming for 2-3 years since we have seen nothing about them yet though.

I hope we dont hear anything until this baby is ready to go. Santa Monica did right by annoucing when the game was more than half made back in 2015.

[baseline bum]

Damn I was so excited about this system when I heard the 9.2 TFLOPS leak until Microsoft had to come shit all over Sony with a 12 TFLOPS XBox Series X. And the 9.2 TFLOPS leak sounds right, since it was saying 32 compute units clocked at 2.0 GHz. While Sony's 10.2 TFLOPS number comes from the peak boost clock of 2.23 GHz. No boost clock in XBox, or should I say no throttling in XBox. Gotta say I'm leaning XBox for the early part of next gen, especially if Sony doesn't offer free PS5 enhancement patches for their PS4 exclusives. Then pick up the PS5 maybe 2-3 years later when there are exclusives to justify the buy.

[apalisoc_9]

man ps3 backwards would have been huge. theres quite a few games never got the chance to play

[baseline bum]

man ps3 backwards would have been huge. theres quite a few games never got the chance to play

So buy a used PS3 for $40. I don't know why everyone cares so much about PS3 BC in this thing. PS3 BC isn't going to be better than hardware PS3 anyways.

[Reck]

Damn I was so excited about this system when I heard the 9.2 TFLOPS leak until Microsoft had to come shit all over Sony with a 12 TFLOPS XBox Series X. And the 9.2 TFLOPS leak sounds right, since it was saying 32 compute units clocked at 2.0 GHz. While Sony's 10.2 TFLOPS number comes from the peak boost clock of 2.23 GHz. No boost clock in XBox, or should I say no throttling in XBox. Gotta say I'm leaning XBox for the early part of next gen, especially if Sony doesn't offer free PS5 enhancement patches for their PS4 exclusives. Then pick up the PS5 maybe 2-3 years later when there are exclusives to justify the buy.

Why it will just collect dust like your Nintendo Switch. :lol

Xbox will pump out more Gears of War and Halo games and pray it carries them through. I'd pay a bit more if it means more quality games more often.

But either way I'll just wait and see. Not going to be an early adapter here.

[baseline bum]

Why it will just collect dust like your Nintendo Switch. :lol

Xbox will pump out more Gears of War and Halo game and pray it carries them through. I'd pay a bit more if it means more quality games more often.

But either way I'll just wait and see. Not going to be an early adapter here.

Switch was my most played console of 2019 by far.

[Reck]

Switch was my most played console of 2019 by far.

I gotta admit, the japanese rpg games this console gets is their saving grace in my eyes.

[spurraider21]

So buy a used PS3 for $40. I don't know why everyone cares so much about PS3 BC in this thing. PS3 BC isn't going to be better than hardware PS3 anyways.
a) ps3 is a bulky console, and i want to minimize clutter on my stand. having only one console connected where i can play my full library would be very convenient
b) all my consoles save my ps4 are still in a box back in LA. i dont want to have stuff shipped over

[baseline bum]

a) ps3 is a bulky console, and i want to minimize clutter on my stand. having only one console connected where i can play my full library would be very convenient
b) all my consoles save my ps4 are still in a box back in LA. i dont want to have stuff shipped over

c) Buy a cheap used PS3 Super Slim that doesn't take up much space
d) Only connect it when you want to play the one or two games you give a crap about from last gen

[NASpurs]

Honestly, I'm going to wait maybe 3 years until I get my next system (early adopter (PS4 -> PS4 Pro, PS3 YLOD... lol)) but just out of personal taste, I can't imagine getting an XBox.

[spurraider21]

c) Buy a cheap used PS3 Super Slim that doesn't take up much space
d) Only connect it when you want to play the one or two games you give a crap about from last gen
e) go fuck your mother some more

[baseline bum]

e) go fuck your mother some more

:lol

[Reck]

c) Buy a cheap used PS3 Super Slim that doesn't take up much space
d) Only connect it when you want to play the one or two games you give a crap about from last gen

I cant be the only one who still has a PS3 alongside the PS4.

The PS3 is an excellent media-do-it-all.

Plug and play. The PS4 makes you use a fucking app that has to be online to work with any given External hard drive.

[baseline bum]

Honestly, I'm going to wait maybe 3 years until I get my next system (early adopter (PS4 -> PS4 Pro, PS3 YLOD... lol)) but just out of personal taste, I can't imagine getting an XBox.

For me it's XBox Series X seems a way better deal than doing a PC upgrade. And I do think I'll want to play some of their exclusives with Ninja Theory and Obsidian now Microsoft studios. While I don't expect PS5 to have enough exclusives I care about early on to make me think it's worth being an early adopter for. Playstation never seems to have great exclusives early on. For PS3 Uncharted 2 and Demon's Souls didn't come until 2009. For PS4 there was Bloodborne in 2015 and Uncharted 4 in 2016, but it wasn't until 2017 with Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5, NieR Automata, Nioh, and Yakuza 0 that PS4 had the exclusive lineup to make it a no-brainer purchase. Extremely bare exclusives lineup in 2013 and 2014 for PS4.

I won't pre-order either though. I'll wait to see the game lineup Sony shows off this summer.

[baseline bum]

I cant be the only one who still has a PS3 alongside the PS4.

The PS3 is an excellent media-do-it-all.

Plug and play. The PS4 makes you use a fucking app that has to be online to work with any given External hard drive.

LOL my main TV has a PS4, PS3, PS2, Switch, Wii, and Playstation TV hooked up to it right now.

[spurraider21]

LOL my main TV has a PS4, PS3, PS2, Switch, Wii, and Playstation TV hooked up to it right now.
nice. my wife would have a heart attack if we had that much shit on our TV :lol

unless we had a different setup where all the shit would be hidden in a room behind the TV, hooked up through the wall or somethin like that

[baseline bum]

nice. my wife would have a heart attack if we had that much shit on our TV :lol

unless we had a different setup where all the shit would be hidden in a room behind the TV, hooked up through the wall or somethin like that

Tell her to go fuck her mother some more then.

[spurraider21]

Tell her to go fuck her mother some more then.
luckily i have a big enough backlog on ps4 to hold off my ps3/2 withdrawals

at least i dont really have the occasions to play much N64 anymore since all my buddies are back in LA

[ElNono]

Obviously this was more or less a response to the X specs, there's more to come in the following months.

[baseline bum]

luckily i have a big enough backlog on ps4 to hold off my ps3/2 withdrawals

at least i dont really have the occasions to play much N64 anymore since all my buddies are back in LA

LOL same here. I think my PS4 backlog of games I have bought and not played is Spiderman, Yakuza 4-6, Kingdom Hearts 1-3, Gravity Rush 1 & 2, and The Last Guardian. It just gets worse if I add the other systems. WTF am I even thinking of buying a new console for? :lol

[baseline bum]

Obviously this was more or less a response to the X specs, there's more to come in the following months.

Better have PS6 forward compatibility

[spurraider21]

LOL same here. I think my PS4 backlog of games I have bought and not played is Spiderman, Yakuza 4-6, Kingdom Hearts 1-3, Gravity Rush 1 & 2, and The Last Guardian. It just gets worse if I add the other systems. WTF am I even thinking of buying a new console for? :lol
i still have Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3, Witcher 3, Days Gone, Nioh, Assassins Creed: Odyssey, Bioshock Collection, Dying Light, Yakuza 0, Yakuza: Kiwami, Fallout 4, Tomb Raider (2013) Definitive Edition, Metal Gear Solid V. 2 of the 3 spyro trilogy games left. i think that covers all of it...

i would say corona would expedite my burn through all that, but i was already working full time from home :lol

[Reck]

1247615732961050625

"Mistakes were made."

:lol Poorstation

:lol ElNono (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054)

[baseline bum]

That controller looks almost as hideous as the original boomerang controller for the PS3.

[Reck]

That controller looks almost as hideous as the original boomerang controller for the PS3.

This should be memefied in a minute to get Sony off this fucking retarded concept.

[apalisoc_9]

This should be memefied in a minute to get Sony off this fucking retarded concept.

The overall design is good. The issue is the color.

[Reck]

The overall design is good. The issue is the color.

The reason why the Dualshock is beloved is because it has a simplistic look and feel to it. This thing looks like it ate a 200 pound cake. I dont like fat controllers.

I had issues with the main Xbox controller. One of the many reasons I didn't take to the Xbox.

[apalisoc_9]

The reason why the Dualshock is beloved is because it has a simplistic look and feel to it. This thing looks like it ate a 200 pound cake. I dont like fat controllers.

I had issues with the main Xbox controller. One of the many reasons I didn't take to the Xbox.

Meh. you're not going to be tied to that controller. They'll see a dualshock looking controller for 30 dollars.

[spurraider21]

looks like they're trying to fuse the dualshock with the xbox controller...

battery life is the big question mark. dualshock 4 was trash in that respect

[apalisoc_9]

looks like they're trying to fuse the dualshock with the xbox controller...

battery life is the big question mark. dualshock 4 was trash in that respect

Scrah, you have Call of duty?

[spurraider21]

Scrah, you have Call of duty?
nah.

multiplayer FPS is a great time-sink and is probably the best bang for buck there is in video games. but it also requires a lot of practice, and there's no way my muscle memory is anywhere near as good as it was back when i used to play COD in the ps3 days (last one i played regularly was black ops 2. i played Ghosts a little, but it was pretty shitty since i was still on PS3)

i have a 1 year PS+ subscription that i paid for, but i dont want to activate the code until i know i'm going to be putting an emphasis on MP gaming, which isnt going to be anytime soon, since i still have a shit ton of long single player content. why have the first 8 months of my PS+ membership burning while im playing skyrim and witcher 3 :lol

[FrostKing]

yourMamiSaysHi

Add me

[apalisoc_9]

yourMamiSaysHi

Add me

Will do. Let me know what time you're usually online.

[FrostKing]

Will do. Let me know what time you're usually online.
Great!

I'm usually on at 6pm Pacific

[baseline bum]

looks like they're trying to fuse the dualshock with the xbox controller...

battery life is the big question mark. dualshock 4 was trash in that respect

Man that stupid light and the touchpad completely fucked battery life. DS4 has a 33% higher capacity battery than the DS3 but gets maybe 1/5 of the playtime that a DS3 does.

[ElNono]

tbh, not sure I even want to know what the final console looks like

[NASpurs]

I mean, it's expected.

https://www.destructoid.com/playstation-5-to-be-limited-at-launch-due-to-high-costs-suggests-report-587210.phtml

PS5 to see fewer launch units than PS4

A new report from business news outlet Bloomberg suggests that Sony plan to produce only a limited supply of PlayStation 5 units for the console's first year of launch, "far fewer" than that of PlayStation's previous generations.

The report, which Bloomberg attributes to insiders, cites that a powerful and expensive internal composition - and therefore a loftier price tag - is the reason for the smaller production run, commenting that "game developers" are predicting the PS5 to retail for between $499 and $549 at launch. Around five million consoles are expected to be produced for the fiscal year ending March 2021. By comparison, the PS4 shipped 7.5 million consoles in its first half-year.

While it would seem obvious to point to the ongoing COVID-19/coronavirus pandemic as a reason for the limited release, Bloomberg's sources say that global health concerns have only affected Sony's PS5 marketing plans. Production will go ahead as scheduled, in its originally expected capacity, with no last-minute delays on the horizon.


The report also states that Sony plans to further promote its current hardware, PlayStation 4, as a "bridge" to the next generation. It is suggested that Sony will drop the price of the PS4 and the PS4 Pro at the PS5's launch in order to encourage new PlayStation Plus subscriptions.

Of course, the key words here are "suggested" and "predicted," It's worth noting that none of this has been officially announced. Business - all business - is in a completely fragile state right now, with production, marketing, distribution, retail, and overall economic issues worldwide. So, although there is probable truth in elements of this report, the industry as a whole is currently at its most unpredictable.

PlayStation 5 is scheduled to launch Holiday 2020.

[Reck]

This year? Really

[baseline bum]

Man if it's going to be $499 or higher I'm probably buying an XBox Series X. Then I'll get PS5 in a few years when they put out a Slim that doesn't have cooling problems and will be cheaper. Not like Sony ever has many good exclusives the first couple of years of a console gen anyways.

[spurraider21]

Man if it's going to be $499 or higher I'm probably buying an XBox Series X. Then I'll get PS5 in a few years when they put out a Slim that doesn't have cooling problems and will be cheaper. Not like Sony ever has many good exclusives the first couple of years of a console gen anyways.
we can always ask ElNono about the timeline for the next god of war game

[baseline bum]

we can always ask ElNono about the timeline for the next god of war game

Unless you have inside information I'd be extremely surprised to see another God of War before say Fall 2022 since Sony always seems to reveal blockbusters at least two years in advance to build hype. Plus Santa Monica isn't known to be the kind of studio to rush games.

Given spec difference between the two and that the best early gen games tend to be multiplats the only way Sony has to win me over this year is price. Otherwise I'll probably get Series X as a gaming PC replacement unless someone can lay out a clear case why PS5's faster SSD means it'll be able to do things Series X can't.

[apalisoc_9]

Yoaki form is OP
ElNono

You fighting boses in normal form?

[spurraider21]

Unless you have inside information I'd be extremely surprised to see another God of War before say Fall 2022 since Sony always seems to reveal blockbusters at least two years in advance to build hype. Plus Santa Monica isn't known to be the kind of studio to rush games.

Given spec difference between the two and that the best early gen games tend to be multiplats the only way Sony has to win me over this year is price. Otherwise I'll probably get Series X as a gaming PC replacement unless someone can lay out a clear case why PS5's faster SSD means it'll be able to do things Series X can't.
there's no way i'm going to buy a poorbox. if i was ever going to buy mutliple consoles from one gen it would be sony and nintendo.

[apalisoc_9]

there's no way i'm going to buy a poorbox. if i was ever going to buy mutliple consoles from one gen it would be sony and nintendo.

gamepass is really good tbh.

[baseline bum]

there's no way i'm going to buy a poorbox. if i was ever going to buy mutliple consoles from one gen it would be sony and nintendo.

The first two XBox were really good and this one looks great too. They were only shit this gen because their retard CEO Don Mattrick had XBox One designed as an HTPC instead of a gaming console, but that faggot is long since gone. At this point XBox Series X is a no-brainer over a gaming PC unless you're really into RTS that are terrible on a console. And Sony isn't likely to have the exclusives to make me buy the lesser hardware until a few years into the gen. It wasn't until 2017 that PS4 really had enough exclusives to be worth buying, though it became must-buy pretty quickly in 2017. Same with PS3 until 2009 when Demon's Souls, Uncharted 2, inFAMOUS, and Killzone 2 came out.

Speaking of Nintendo, Switch sounds like it's getting Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Super Mario Sunshine, and I forget what else this year to celebrate the 35 year anniversary of Super Mario Bros. Good luck finding one right now though while they're being price gouged to hell. Wonder what I could get for my CFW Switch. :lol

[spurraider21]

The first two XBox were really good and this one looks great too. They were only shit this gen because their retard CEO Don Mattrick had XBox One designed as an HTPC instead of a gaming console, but that faggot is long since gone. At this point XBox Series X is a no-brainer over a gaming PC unless you're really into RTS that are terrible on a console. And Sony isn't likely to have the exclusives to make me buy the lesser hardware until a few years into the gen. It wasn't until 2017 that PS4 really had enough exclusives to be worth buying, though it became must-buy pretty quickly in 2017. Same with PS3 until 2009 when Demon's Souls, Uncharted 2, inFAMOUS, and Killzone 2 came out.

Speaking of Nintendo, Switch sounds like it's getting Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Super Mario Sunshine, and I forget what else this year to celebrate the 35 year anniversary of Super Mario Bros. Good luck finding one right now though while they're being price gouged to hell. Wonder what I could get for my CFW Switch. :lol
im going to inevitably get a PS5 because i know there will be God of War and there will almost certainly be Horizon 2. the even limited backward compatibility is appealing because we dont like clutter around the TV. im not going to buy a poorbox as a placeholder because it is a slightly stronger machine that will provide functionally the same gameplay experience

[baseline bum]

im going to inevitably get a PS5 because i know there will be God of War and there will almost certainly be Horizon 2. the even limited backward compatibility is appealing because we dont like clutter around the TV. im not going to buy a poorbox as a placeholder because it is a slightly stronger machine that will provide functionally the same gameplay experience

Series X would be my main gaming system, not the placeholder, since it's the more powerful one. Well, if they are similarly priced. With Ninja Theory and especially Obsidian being Microsoft studios now I'm going to buy one anyways. Though I'm the opposite, my main TV has a PS2, PS3, PS4, Playstation TV, Switch, and a BC Wii connected to it right now and sometimes I put my 360 or SNES Classic on it also. :lol

Retired my Raspberry Pi though since the SNES Classic plays SNES and NES games way better and the PS3 plays PS1 games with a really good emulator, while my hacked Switch is better for Genesis and arcade games than the Pi.

[Reck]

Man if it's going to be $499 or higher I'm probably buying an XBox Series X. Then I'll get PS5 in a few years when they put out a Slim that doesn't have cooling problems and will be cheaper. Not like Sony ever has many good exclusives the first couple of years of a console gen anyways.

Yikes.

And you think the Xbox will have more and better exclusives at first?

[apalisoc_9]

Yikes.

And you think the Xbox will have more and better exclusives at first?

gamepass would be better

[Reck]

gamepass would be better

Why

[baseline bum]

Yikes.

And you think the Xbox will have more and better exclusives at first?

No it won't. Neither console will have good exclusives most likely early on. The only company that ever launches with good exclusives is Nintendo.

[Reck]

No it won't. Neither console will have good exclusives most likely early on. The only company that ever launches with good exclusives is Nintendo.

How much is the box gonna be? Cant imagine it will be more than 50 bucks less.

If the PS5 has an improved intreface unlike the mess that is the PS4, I might buy it within the next year, otherwise, I'll wait a couple.

[ElNono]

we can always ask ElNono about the timeline for the next god of war game

tbh

[ElNono]

Unless you have inside information I'd be extremely surprised to see another God of War before say Fall 2022 since Sony always seems to reveal blockbusters at least two years in advance to build hype. Plus Santa Monica isn't known to be the kind of studio to rush games.

Given spec difference between the two and that the best early gen games tend to be multiplats the only way Sony has to win me over this year is price. Otherwise I'll probably get Series X as a gaming PC replacement unless someone can lay out a clear case why PS5's faster SSD means it'll be able to do things Series X can't.

Niglets don't ask me about stuff I can't talk about... smh

[ElNono]

Yoaki form is OP
ElNono

You fighting boses in normal form?

Yokai doesn't last long, tbh... and some of the boss fights can go on for a while... you'll see what I mean soon.

[baseline bum]

How much is the box gonna be? Cant imagine it will be more than 50 bucks less.

If the PS5 has an improved intreface unlike the mess that is the PS4, I might buy it within the next year, otherwise, I'll wait a couple.

If PS5 is going to go for $500 I think Microsoft will try to match that price to win back market share after the disaster of ShitBox One.