NBA Trade Deadline 2020

[spurs50_]

Put Diane Carroll out of her misery...

[Chillen]

Why would Cavs do that exactly?

To give the fans a star player since LBJ left them to go to Hollywood and be a star.

[gambit1990]

won’t happen but i’d love to see the nets trade kyrie to cleveland for kevin love. i would die laughing.

[BatManu20]

Can’t wait to trade them for Miami’s trash :tu

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[Dejounte]

Can’t wait to trade them for Miami’s trash :tu

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Ill take Bam all day every day

[NASpurs]

Can’t wait to trade them for Miami’s trash :tu

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Jimmy and DeMar would be such an odd pairing. They would probably want Aldridge instead.

Ah whatever, I’m overthinking this. Only thing that seems guaranteed is Demar’s extension.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Heat are not that stupid and Flopovich doesn't know that those players are good. Most of those guys are in their 1st or 2nd NBA year, which means Pop would park them on the bench.

I'll trade Flopovich and Forbes for Spoelstra. That would be the best outcome

[DavidTheGoliath]

The Heat are not that stupid and Flopovich doesn't know that those players are good. Most of those guys are in their 1st or 2nd NBA year, which means Pop would park them on the bench.

I'll trade Flopovich and Forbes for Spoelstra. That would be the best outcome

Youre gonna piss off becky fans :nope

[RC_Drunkford]

Youre gonna piss off becky fans :nope

I'm fine with Becky coaching. Anybody is better than grandpa. I'd take Jim Boylen over him in a heartbeat and no I'm not trolling. I'm dead serious

[Chillen]

The Heat with Butler and Aldridge could make some noise in the weak East. What would Miami have that the Spurs want?

[JuneJive]

Duncan Robinson

Let's get it done.

[CGD]

Can’t wait to trade them for Miami’s trash :tu

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Probably most MIA would offer is Winslow, Meyers Leonard, and a 1st.

But I think all of Miami’s picks are encumbered somehow.

[TimDunkem]

Probably most MIA would offer is Winslow, Meyers Leonard, and a 1st.

But I think all of Miami’s picks are encumbered somehow.

Yeah, they have no 1sts to trade. Unless the Spurs get Herro and/or Nunn they would be getting the shit end of the deal for sure. Figures that the Spurs would be looking towards the team trying to give them the worst deal possible.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah, they have no 1sts to trade. Unless the Spurs get Herro and/or Nunn they would be getting the shit end of the deal for sure. Figures that the Spurs would be looking towards the team trying to give them the worst deal possible.

:pop: "Bryn is better than both. They are not ready"

[CGD]

Yeah, they have no 1sts to trade. Unless the Spurs get Herro and/or Nunn they would be getting the shit end of the deal for sure. Figures that the Spurs would be looking towards the team trying to give them the worst deal possible.

Yeah, not ideal. Maybe add a third team that would want Dragic and could offer something better for the Spurs

[jermaine]

Probably most MIA would offer is Winslow, Meyers Leonard, and a 1st.

But I think all of Miami’s picks are encumbered somehow.

I'll take that for LMA

[CGD]

I'll take that for LMA

Yeah, but as the poster above notes they cant move their 1sts since they already traded them in the odd years (Rule against trade successive picks applies)

[MoSpur02]

Forbes sucks. If Walker IV makes the same mistake that Forbes just made he would've been subbed out.

[Robz4000]

Wrong thread

[sasaint]

To give the fans a star player since LBJ left them to go to Hollywood and be a star.

That's a weird but not unreasonable narrative.

[Chomag]

Wrong thread but not wrong :lol

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[Degoat]

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kind of an odd trade right? Lol

[spurspl]

i said that before that miami is a great partner. They need more all star veterans. Butler wont be younger and better. Him and a couple of decent players + very good youngsters isnt enough to be a serious contender. Also i think that herro or nunn is very possible to be included in this trade until we add some picks and/or white. But probably they would not want LMA bc hes lazy fat ass and butler would be pissed of him all day all nite. Thats a serious problem bc we could use ddr to trade with magic to get gordon.

what i see:
ddr white lyles marco keldon 2020 1st 2021 2nd for winslow jameson meyers herro(or nunn)

murray/herro/loonie/winslow/lma

mills/forbes/gay/jameson(samanic)/meyers(poetlt)

#POPOUT

[sasaint]

i said that before that miami is a great partner. They need more all star veterans. Butler wont be younger and better. Him and a couple of decent players + very good youngsters isnt enough to be a serious contender. Also i think that herro or nunn is very possible to be included in this trade until we add some picks and/or white. But probably they would not want LMA bc hes lazy fat ass and butler would be pissed of him all day all nite. Thats a serious problem bc we could use ddr to trade with magic to get gordon.

what i see:
ddr white lyles marco keldon 2020 1st 2021 2nd for winslow jameson meyers herro(or nunn)

murray/herro/loonie/winslow/lma

mills/forbes/gay/jameson(samanic)/meyers(poetlt)

#POPOUT

Except Riley courted LMA during FA, and the Heat is looking for a big.

[spurspl]

Except Riley courted LMA during FA, and the Heat is looking for a big.

if they take lma we could trafe ddr to magic for gordon and its even much better for us

i doubt the looking for bigs, they already have meyers, bam, kelly, duncan

[UZER]

if they take lma we could trafe ddr to magic for gordon and its even much better for us

i doubt the looking for bigs, they already have meyers, bam, kelly, duncan

We like what we *hiccup* have

-RC

[BacktoBasics]

Part of me thinks that Keldon might end up being better than anything we could get from Miami. I’m not so sure that I’d include him unless Bam is included on the other end. Duncan Robinson seems like fools gold to me. I’m not so sure he ends up being as consistent as his good moments have led us to believe. Herro is interesting. Nunn... maybe.

[Dverde]

Ill take Bam all day every day

I think Pop prefers Plumslee over him :lol

[cd021]

Not at the trade deadline, but I wouldn't rule it out in the off season.

His lack of confidence/agressiveness is Hill esque, he turns 26 this year, they've (foolishly) already comitted to Murray and they're nowhere near dynamic enough on ball or proficient enough off ball to be the "back court of the future".

Hard to say what he'll cost, but if I'm his agent, I'd be seeking a comparable contract to Murray and if I'm the Spurs, I wouldn't want to tie up near or at $30 million annually in a back court with the limitations I detailed.

If they trade DeRozan in the off season and acquire Fournier, Bogdanovic (3-way), Winslow, etc., that could seal White's fate. At that point, I could see them trying to package him with their pick to move up or for a youngish four.




If they're going to go another season with the "mid 3" (which mostly hinges on DeRozan's willingness to opt in), would they?

Though he's pulled an Aldridge in terms of significantly upping his 3-point volume, he still shoots them less frequently than Lyles, but even in decline he's a better, more versatile defender.

Even if they were inclined in theory, the $4.65 million difference in '21-'22 guarantees between him and Carroll could give them pause.


I was actually thinking that they might move White at the draft to get a higher pick or an additional pick similar to George Hill. White just hasn't been very good this season, it might be the best time to move him before other teams catch on.

[cd021]

Miami as a trade partner doesn't make a lot of sense. Miami isn't likely to give up Bam! or Herro so they really don't have a lot of good young talent worth trading DDR for.

[TD 21]

Part of me thinks that Keldon might end up being better than anything we could get from Miami. I’m not so sure that I’d include him unless Bam is included on the other end. Duncan Robinson seems like fools gold to me. I’m not so sure he ends up being as consistent as his good moments have led us to believe. Herro is interesting. Nunn... maybe.

As I've said before, I suspect Winslow and Olynyk would be their offer for Aldridge or DeRozan (with Okpala included in his case, to make the salaries work) and that Aldridge would be their preference.

Even if they were amendable to moving Nunn, the Spurs more than likely wouldn't touch him considering his off court history.

Obviously, forward is a greater positional need than guard, but the biggest need period is elite talent. So, if the best asset they can acquire for either is a guard, take it and then either package it, Murray or White, with the likely incoming late lottery/mid round pick and possibly another future asset, to move up.

[gambit1990]

Miami as a trade partner doesn't make a lot of sense.
agree.

[spurspl]

if miami really needs big like lma:

miami: lma, white, lyles, marco, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd
magic: ddr, forbes
spurs: jameson, winslow, meyers, herro, gordon, ross

miami s5: dragic/nunn/butler/lma/bam
magis s5: fultz/ddr/fournier/isaac/vucevic
spurs s5: murray/herro/loonie/gordon/meyers + mills/ross/winslow/jameson/poetlt

win win win

#POPOUT

[RC_Drunkford]

:pop: "Herro, Nunn? Why, we got Bryn Forbes. He's better than both, works hard in the gym and knows the system. And Bam? Bam ain't ready"

[mo7888]

I think LMA and white to Miami for JW, ML, and herro could get done.

A little different scenario I could see happening since Toronto can't get free agents... LMA + DDR for Gasol + Ibaka + Anunoby + a pick.

That would let Toronto compete to repeat in the East and we get a forward, draft pick, and salary cap relief.

[RC_Drunkford]

And what exactly do you people think Herro would do when the Spurs still have Forbes, Mills and Belinelli? Sit on the bench? Play Power Forward?

[JeffDuncan]

And what exactly do you people think Herro would do when the Spurs still have Forbes, Mills and Belinelli? Sit on the bench? Play Power Forward?

Herro to the G League for two years, naturally, until he's ready.

[EasyMoney]

Aldridge for Winslow, Robinson and olynyk. Also, maybe a first?

Murray white
Walker mills
Winslow carroll
Robinson gay
Poeltl olynyk

[tbdog]

No, you want Dragic and trade Dragic for something.

[cd021]

I think LMA and white to Miami for JW, ML, and herro could get done.

A little different scenario I could see happening since Toronto can't get free agents... LMA + DDR for Gasol + Ibaka + Anunoby + a pick.

That would let Toronto compete to repeat in the East and we get a forward, draft pick, and salary cap relief.
Really don't like either trade nor think that their realistic.

Aldridge is the best player in that trade so why would the Spurs also have to give up White? Also Heat apparently don't want to give up Herro.

Toronto might be willing to move Ibaka and a pick for DeRozan or Aldridge but unlikely for both and they certainly wouldn't add O.G.

[cd021]

Aldridge for Winslow, Robinson and olynyk. Also, maybe a first?

Murray white
Walker mills
Winslow carroll
Robinson gay
Poeltl olynyk

Frankly, I'd much rather have Aldridge than that. Miami also doesn't have trade-able firsts.

[cd021]

Would rather the Spurs wait till the draft and trade Aldridge for Miami's pick (Miami can trade the pick after they make the selection) and filler.

[spurspl]

timbs offered dieng covington and reid for drussel. They have really good sense of humor XDD

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Boston need a big in a really bad way and Aldridge would fit there nicely. Of course Ainge is a tight ass, which has bitten him in the past, but the Memphis pick looks like a 12th-18th kind of pick, not a top one it was expected to be. Aldridge for this season and next will make them better than whatever that pick would provide for them.

[spurspl]

Boston need a big in a really bad way and Aldridge would fit there nicely. Of course Ainge is a tight ass, which has bitten him in the past, but the Memphis pick looks like a 12th-18th kind of pick, not a top one it was expected to be. Aldridge for this season and next will make them better than whatever that pick would provide for them.

brown and tatum is the only players worth trading lma for. I doubt ainge would do that. Hayward makes no sense.

[lmbebo]

Aldridge for Winslow, Robinson and olynyk. Also, maybe a first?

Murray white
Walker mills
Winslow carroll
Robinson gay
Poeltl olynyk


thats an awful return

[Prime BEEF]

brown and tatum is the only players worth trading lma for. I doubt ainge would do that. Hayward makes no sense.
They would have to add R. Williams and 2 1st Rd picks to make it more enticing.

so LMA/Carroll for Hayward/R. Williams/2 2020 1st Rd Picks

[spurspl]

They would have to add R. Williams and 2 1st Rd picks to make it more enticing.

so LMA/Carroll for Hayward/R. Williams/2 2020 1st Rd Picks

looks better but as long as pop is here those 2 1st round picks would end up playing in g league for at least 2yrs.... and i doubt boston would give up 2 firsts while lma isnt so much better than hayward.

[tbdog]

I'm not a fan of so many 1st. Having multiple 1st is good just to move up the draft a few spots.

[talkspurs]

So Portland is in cost cutting mode while still trying to get better. think we could try and get a pick from the while giving them back LMA?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v2sehms
(http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v2sehms)
Portland gets LMA back while also saving money. should also help them this year. I also think LMA would play better with Nurkic then whiteside wood.

Spurs would do this as it gets us younger and another pick. I could potentially help us this year but would also put us back to playing a true big that does not shoot 3s. also we would not be able to play Potel and whiteside together. Mario would help with Luka as I think they are from the same country. He is also someone I think with good playing time would be a good player. Came in as a good 3 pt shooter with below avg defense and now is good defense with avg 3? Hood is out for the year but was playing well before he got hurt.

[CGD]

I think LMA and white to Miami for JW, ML, and herro could get done.

A little different scenario I could see happening since Toronto can't get free agents... LMA + DDR for Gasol + Ibaka + Anunoby + a pick.

That would let Toronto compete to repeat in the East and we get a forward, draft pick, and salary cap relief.

I’d want Miami’s first available unencumbered first rounder (2025?) instead of Herro. Dude is good, but we have many players at his position already that need time. Also don’t think they’d need to add White, though, I wouldn’t be opposed to moving him for something else.

Murray, Walker, Winslow is a good core to build around. You hope they hit on one of Luca, Johnson, or their 2020 pick to round it out.

Also are we sure MIA wants LMA and not DDR?

[mo7888]

I’d want Miami’s first available unencumbered first rounder (2025?) instead of Herro. Dude is good, but we have many players at his position already that need time. Also don’t think they’d need to add White, though, I wouldn’t be opposed to moving him for something else.

Murray, Walker, Winslow is a good core to build around. You hope they hit on one of Luca, Johnson, or their 2020 pick to round it out.

Also are we sure MIA wants LMA and not DDR?

The thought on adding white is that's its longer before you have to pay herro, so it provides a better salary cap balance for players with similar upside and position.

[mo7888]

Really don't like either trade nor think that their realistic.

Aldridge is the best player in that trade so why would the Spurs also have to give up White? Also Heat apparently don't want to give up Herro.

Toronto might be willing to move Ibaka and a pick for DeRozan or Aldridge but unlikely for both and they certainly wouldn't add O.G.

The smaller Toronto trade works for us equally as well but it doesnt really move Toronto up the ladder in the east. We'd prefer the smaller trade, I think they'd prefer the larger one.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[tbdog]

So Portland is in cost cutting mode while still trying to get better. think we could try and get a pick from the while giving them back LMA?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v2sehms
(http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v2sehms)
Portland gets LMA back while also saving money. should also help them this year. I also think LMA would play better with Nurkic then whiteside wood.

Spurs would do this as it gets us younger and another pick. I could potentially help us this year but would also put us back to playing a true big that does not shoot 3s. also we would not be able to play Potel and whiteside together. Mario would help with Luka as I think they are from the same country. He is also someone I think with good playing time would be a good player. Came in as a good 3 pt shooter with below avg defense and now is good defense with avg 3? Hood is out for the year but was playing well before he got hurt.

That's a dreadful trade. Those two wings are pretty average and besides, Hoods injured atm.

[Prime BEEF]

So Portland is in cost cutting mode while still trying to get better. think we could try and get a pick from the while giving them back LMA?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v2sehms
(http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v2sehms)
Portland gets LMA back while also saving money. should also help them this year. I also think LMA would play better with Nurkic then whiteside wood.

Spurs would do this as it gets us younger and another pick. I could potentially help us this year but would also put us back to playing a true big that does not shoot 3s. also we would not be able to play Potel and whiteside together. Mario would help with Luka as I think they are from the same country. He is also someone I think with good playing time would be a good player. Came in as a good 3 pt shooter with below avg defense and now is good defense with avg 3? Hood is out for the year but was playing well before he got hurt.
Add Portland’s 1st Rd pick and that’s a great trade for the spurs

[Dverde]

LMA for Winslow, Waiters, and a pick seems reasonable to me.

[lmbebo]

LMA for Winslow, Waiters, and a pick seems reasonable to me.

Would require more than 1 pick to take on Waiters ....

[talkspurs]

Add Portland’s 1st Rd pick and that’s a great trade for the spurs

I was not clear but the pick in the trade was Portlands 1st rd pick. unless you meant for us to get 2 picks. I dont think Portland would do that.

[gambit1990]

LMA for Winslow, Waiters, and a pick seems reasonable to me.
:td:td

[Prime BEEF]

I was not clear but the pick in the trade was Portlands 1st rd pick. unless you meant for us to get 2 picks. I dont think Portland would do that.
Sorry must’ve missed that you already added Portland’s pick.

[slick'81]

Most of these offers are beyond terrible. Fck miami and their trash tbh

[sasaint]

Would require more than 1 pick to take on Waiters ....

PLUS it would take more than 1 pick for me to take Winslow, too!

[JuneJive]

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Damn. Some of those games are winnable.

[slick'81]

Suns twice,chicago and hornets all wins tbh

[DavidTheGoliath]

Damn. Some of those games are winnable.

Not if pop plays brynt more than 5 mins. Damn i hope dude gets left behind by the team bus.

[slick'81]

Pray pop is showcasing belli&bryn and somebody wants 9 mil in expiring trash

[GAustex]

Can you imagine poop coaching Waiters?

[mo7888]

Can you imagine poop coaching Waiters?

Knowing he had to coach him for a couple years might convince him to retire.....jus sayin...

[baseline bum]

Love is making all kinds of noise about wanting out of Cleveland.

Bend over. I'll show you love making all kinds of noise.

[DC23]

Suns twice,chicago and hornets all wins tbh
Suns are no joke. Should be competitive games.


Can you imagine poop coaching Waiters?
No, Waiters would be cut immediately. Wouldn't even board the flight to San Antonio.

[RC_Drunkford]

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Spurs gotta go on a winning streak before the rodeo road trip starts. The schedule seems easy, but that loss against the Hawks has me questioning if they can really put it together.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Bend over. I'll show you love making all kinds of noise.


:lol

[emanueldavidginobili]

Suns twice,chicago and hornets all wins tbh
Spurs lost to the Hawks twice Wizards and Cavs idk where the confidence is coming from.

[timtonymanu]

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Hoping for another 8 game losing streak

[cjw]

Spurs lost to the Hawks twice Wizards and Cavs idk where the confidence is coming from.

Maybe the wins over the top four teams in the East over the past two weeks?

[TD 21]

Lyles and Carroll for Olynyk? Probably has to be a 3 teamer to absorb one because the Heat don't have an open roster spot or obvious path to one.

He's seemingly fallen out of favor with the Heat, they have cap issues and could save roughly $6.5 million next season.

He's essentially a better Lyles and could play some with any of Aldridge, Gay, Poeltl.

Carroll and Belinelli for Lee and Broekhoff? This would likely be a fall back, as I'm sure the Mavericks would like to do better with the Lee expiring.

Salary dump, paves the way for Walker to play more consistently and replenishes expiring depth shooting.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Maybe the wins over the top four teams in the East over the past two weeks?
I was a little confident after beating the Bucks, Celtics, and Raptors but then they come back home just to lose to the Hawks was pretty bad. Tomorrow’s game against the Suns will be tough.

[gambit1990]

not an olynyk fan, but yeah, he's probably better than lyles.

[jermaine]

Where is Rudy? Did they shut him down to be traded?

[tbdog]

Where is Rudy? Did they shut him down to be traded?

Injured.

[jermaine]

Injured.

Thanks

[DPG21920]

One would think Carroll is requesting a trade and SA will try to accommodate him. Can’t imagine he’s ok with how he’s been treated and he’s been very professional about the situation

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should take a look at Denzel Valentine. He's collecting DNP's in Chicago, salary is only 3.3 million, he shoots 39% from 3, is taller than Forbes and has a better defensive rating. If Pop doesn't want to start Lonnie, get him and give them Forbes

[tbdog]

One would think Carroll is requesting a trade and SA will try to accommodate him. Can’t imagine he’s ok with how he’s been treated and he’s been very professional about the situation

Spurs are known to accommodating their players. Finley was an example.

[paperboy77]

Shit we should package Bryn, Eubanks and a 2nd rounder for Denver’s current 2019 #44 pick. They have Bol Bol in the g-league probably due to a logjam of bigs on the pro team. BB on the highlights I watched is totally underrated. The guy moves like or better than Porzingis. Pretty freaking dominant. When you’re skinny as hell but are 7’2” and move that good? The guy is never going to fatten up but he understands how to max his height on the court. What a steal.

Throw Carrols dumb ass in too!

[paperboy77]

Spurs should take a look at Denzel Valentine. He's collecting DNP's in Chicago, salary is only 3.3 million, he shoots 39% from 3, is taller than Forbes and has a better defensive rating. If Pop doesn't want to start Lonnie, get him and give them Forbes

Nah he sux too. Should be about 3” taller for his type of game to work.

[r0drig0lac]

Shit we should package Bryn, Eubanks and a 2nd rounder for Denver’s current 2019 #44 pick. They have Bol Bol in the g-league probably due to a logjam of bigs on the pro team. BB on the highlights I watched is totally underrated. The guy moves like or better than Porzingis. Pretty freaking dominant. When you’re skinny as hell but are 7’2” and move that good? The guy is never going to fatten up but he understands how to max his height on the court. What a steal.

Throw Carrols dumb ass in too!

why would Denver do that?

[RC_Drunkford]

Nah he sux too. Should be about 3” taller for his type of game to work.

I'll take anybody who's better than Bryn

[paperboy77]

why would Denver do that?

Bol Bol as much as I think he’s good, is still the 44th pick, an injury risk and a long shot to get any PT behind Joker. On the other hand this is exactly what you do when you can flip a project for a guy, Bryn, that played well against you last postseason. Bryn can be very useful if played properly. Unlike grandpa Greg who WAY over values this scrub in disguise. They’d also get an ok backup C in Eubanks. Just my thought.

[paperboy77]

I'll take anybody who's better than Bryn

You're right. For Forbes yes. If he sux like I think he does then bench him. Either way Lonnie likely gets more run.

[DavidTheGoliath]

I'll take anybody who's better than Bryn

Everybody is better than brynt

[r0drig0lac]

Bol Bol as much as I think he’s good, is still the 44th pick, an injury risk and a long shot to get any PT behind Joker. On the other hand this is exactly what you do when you can flip a project for a guy, Bryn, that played well against you last postseason. Bryn can be very useful if played properly. Unlike grandpa Greg who WAY over values this scrub in disguise. They’d also get an ok backup C in Eubanks. Just my thought.

I understand your reasoning, but I see the Bryn Forbes case as the Pau Gasol case, these players would have no interest or playing time with a coach other than Pop, I really don't see any other NBA team (or even SAS after Greg retires) using Bryn Forbes.

[tbdog]

Gasol had a good first year with us and we went deep that playoff run. A massive overpay though and at max he should of had Brook Lopez money.

[TimDunkem]

Gasol had a good first year with us and we went deep that playoff run. A massive overpay though and at max he should of had Brook Lopez money.

He only played 62 games. Probably only half of which you can truly say that he was any good. He predictably ran out of gas in the playoffs too.

Only a few teams would have been as dumb as the Spurs and re-signed him for what they did.

[ginobilized]

When are we trading Kobe Bryn?

[DMC]

Spurs fans talking about trading a <.500 roster for a <.500 roster as if that really changes the trajectory of this franchise.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs should take a look at Denzel Valentine. He's collecting DNP's in Chicago, salary is only 3.3 million, he shoots 39% from 3, is taller than Forbes and has a better defensive rating. If Pop doesn't want to start Lonnie, get him and give them Forbes


I liked Valetine coming out of college. I even hoped the Spurs might trade up a few spots to get him. But he went higher than I thought. He's had some chronic injury problems and he's never lived up to the potential I thought he had. But I'd still rather have him than Forbes, and if he could stay healthy I think he could still be better than he's shown so far.

[palangi]

I understand your reasoning, but I see the Bryn Forbes case as the Pau Gasol case, these players would have no interest or playing time with a coach other than Pop, I really don't see any other NBA team (or even SAS after Greg retires) using Bryn Forbes.

Bryn used right can be beneficial. Here is a 5-10 minute a game guy of the bench to come in and hit a couple 3a. That's it.

[palangi]

Spurs fans talking about trading a <.500 roster for a <.500 roster as if that really changes the trajectory of this franchise.

Change of scenery helps some

[ismael-robert]

Gay n demarre out with "illness"...code for trade package?

[Seventyniner]

Gay n demarre out with "illness"...code for trade package?

I think it's a bit early for that. If this was February I would buy it.

[DPG21920]

I think it's a bit early for that. If this was February I would buy it.

Trade deadline is 2/6. It’s rapidly approaching.

[Seventyniner]

Trade deadline is 2/6. It’s rapidly approaching.

Well damn, I thought the deadline was February 15th. Shows how much attention I'm paying this season.

I'll call this more plausible then. Carroll is certainly trade bait, though I'm still mystified at his almost complete lack of playing time. If he really has fallen off a cliff then nobody will want him.

The Spurs have plenty of salary to send out, too bad the players attached to those salaries are not all that good.

[sasaint]

Well damn, I thought the deadline was February 15th. Shows how much attention I'm paying this season.

I'll call this more plausible then. Carroll is certainly trade bait, though I'm still mystified at his almost complete lack of playing time. If he really has fallen off a cliff then nobody will want him.

The Spurs have plenty of salary to send out, too bad the players attached to those salaries are not all that good.

If DeMarre has fallen off a cliff, nobody will KNOW.

[ace3g]

#15 days

[ZeusWillJudge]

Carroll is certainly trade bait, though I'm still mystified at his almost complete lack of playing time. If he really has fallen off a cliff then nobody will want him.


Oh, no. If the Spurs wanted to trade Carroll, CIA Pop would have been "showcasing" him all season. Everyone here knows that Pop does that. :lol

[gambit1990]

two weeks until the deadline. there was so much player in the offseason.

[lmbebo]

Almost feel like it'll be a quiet trade deadline league wide. Maybe some trades to get out of luxury tax, contracts, etc.

[Ignazzz]

Gsw’s fall tells me opposite

[gambit1990]

bucks should trade for cp3.

[Ignazzz]

bucks should trade for cp3.

best team so far. Why revolution?

[FkLA]

Spurs should take a look at Denzel Valentine. He's collecting DNP's in Chicago, salary is only 3.3 million, he shoots 39% from 3, is taller than Forbes and has a better defensive rating. If Pop doesn't want to start Lonnie, get him and give them Forbes

Forms and Valentine are BFFs. They grew up together and both ended up at Michigan St. No way Pop does a trade that would be for each other. If anything, he'd reunite them.

[Seventyniner]

bucks should trade for cp3.

That feels like a supersized version of Toronto trading for Marc Gasol last season. But it makes sense for Milwaukee in the immediate term, at least if they can ship out Bledsoe's contract.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Wizards have a guy who put up 17 last night on 4-8 shooting from 3P. I've heard they might want to trade him. Maybe the Spurs have a shot?

[DavidTheGoliath]

The Wizards have a guy who put up 17 last night on 4-8 shooting from 3P. I've heard they might want to trade him. Maybe the Spurs have a shot?

We have brynt for that :pop:

[sasaint]

The Wizards have a guy who put up 17 last night on 4-8 shooting from 3P. I've heard they might want to trade him. Maybe the Spurs have a shot?

:bang I do appreciate that you buried your post in this thread rather than rub our noses in a new thread. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

:bang I do appreciate that you buried your post in this thread rather than rub our noses in a new thread. :lol


I always try to do the little things to make others happy. :lol

[Ignazzz]

One year rule Boys

[Seventyniner]

The Wizards have a guy who put up 17 last night on 4-8 shooting from 3P. I've heard they might want to trade him. Maybe the Spurs have a shot?

Hot damn, imagine the meltdown if the Spurs traded Carroll and a future first for Bertans. I would lead the charge on that one.

[exstatic]

WCS from GS to Dallas.

[sasaint]

WCS from GS to Dallas.

Is he gonna live up to his potential in Dallas? I first wanted to do whatever was necessary to draft him, then to trade for him... Now I just don’t know.

[gambit1990]

dallas got him for a 2nd round pick.

[tbdog]

Hield might be available. Man, he would be a nice pickup alongside DD and LMA. White and protected 1st.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1220828270259777538

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BillyReinhardt/status/1220487436280705024

[Ron Swanson]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oKIPbNb1vWdftiVLq/giphy.gif

[Ocotillo]

Maybe ship Carroll back to Brooklyn? :spin

[ace3g]

For Taurean Prince and Garrett Temple

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/BillyReinhardt/status/1220487436280705024

Any idea who we're looking at?

[GAustex]

Trade Instagram Baller for a good shooting SF

[C-Dub]

I've been saying before the season started that the Spurs should've went for him in free agency. Young guy that has the size of a true SF, can hit the 3 point shot and young enough that he could've been molded into what Pop wanted on the defensive end. If we could move Beli, Gay and a 2nd rounder for a prince that would put DDR back to his natural position of SG. I think the money matchup will work out for this trade if not add in Forbes, if so bring Forbes off the bench. New lineup below if this was to happen and Forbes is part of the trade:

DJM, DDR, Prince, Lyles, LMA
DW, Mills, KJ, DMC, Poeltl
QW, SG?, Luka, Metu, Eubanks

[CGD]

Any idea who we're looking at?

Better not be Kuzma.

[get_mills_out]

Could we get a 2nd for Pop?

[FutureMan]

Prince has regressed some. Spurs may be able to fix that though. Pricey salary if he doesn’t.

[BWS-1994]

Prince has regressed some. Spurs may be able to fix that though. Pricey salary if he doesn’t.

Prince is FA this coming off season?

[mo7888]

Prince is FA this coming off season?

Signed for $12,250,000 next season and $13,000,000 the following.

[RC_Drunkford]

Signed for $12,250,000 next season and $13,000,000 the following.

That's basically Carroll and Belinelli together. I take that. Are the Nets looking to trade him?

[mo7888]

That's basically Carroll and Belinelli together. I take that. Are the Nets looking to trade him?

I'm not sure. I see where we had scouts at their game against the Lakers but I'm not sure which we were targeting.

[objective]

Here's the thing about Prince.

Pop wouldn't start him at SF and move DeRozan to SG with Forbes to the end of the bench

Pop would start him at PF in order to keep starting Forbes and playing him 25+ minutes a game

There's no way to improve the Spurs so long as Pop and Forbes are here doing their tango.

[TimDunkem]

Here's the thing about Prince.

Pop wouldn't start him at SF and move DeRozan to SG with Forbes to the end of the bench

Pop would start him at PF in order to keep starting Forbes and playing him 25+ minutes a game

There's no way to improve the Spurs so long as Pop and Forbes are here doing their tango.

Truth bomb.

[RC_Drunkford]

Here's the thing about Prince.

Pop wouldn't start him at SF and move DeRozan to SG with Forbes to the end of the bench

Pop would start him at PF in order to keep starting Forbes and playing him 25+ minutes a game

There's no way to improve the Spurs so long as Pop and Forbes are here doing their tango.

That's a fact. The main indication for that is that he often cuts Lyles' minutes to run a 4 guard line up with Forbes in it

[sasaint]

Here's the thing about Prince.

Pop wouldn't start him at SF and move DeRozan to SG with Forbes to the end of the bench

Pop would start him at PF in order to keep starting Forbes and playing him 25+ minutes a game

There's no way to improve the Spurs so long as Pop and Forbes are here doing their tango.

True, but really old news. That’s why Pop’s departure is the first and most important move that must be made or else other moves are virtually meaningless.

[spurspl]

dallas doin great job, tanked for luka and drafted him, signed porzingod and now WCS for a 2nd round pick.. Spurs should learn from them

[dbestpro]

The supporting cast sucks. DDR and LMA get it done night in and night out. White has shown signs he can. Walker most likely will. Lyles, Forbes and Murray simply are not reliable and need to be moved along with Beli and Gay. We need to get a real SF a real PG that can hit the three and play defense.

[C-Dub]

LMA is not getting it done night in and night out by far. If his jump shot is not falling then he seems to play with no passion. DDR seems like he really would want to win a championship before he retires even if it means going to an already loaded team, LMA on the other hand seems to not really give a you no what if he does are doesn't.

[EasyMoney]

Thaddeus young, anybody?

[RC_Drunkford]

Thaddeus young, anybody?

I been mentioning him weeks ago. Would be the perfect 4 and he wants to be traded. Also if we look at the Nets I would target Joe Harris who's an expiring, just don't know what of our garbage they would want

[JeffDuncan]

Thaddeus young, anybody?


Fell off a cliff this year. His FG% is way down from last season, and his rebounding is only half what it was at his career high five years ago. Pass.

[JeffDuncan]

... if we look at the Nets I would target Joe Harris who's an expiring, just don't know what of our garbage they would want


The heck of it is, Harris is currently in the same general price category as Carroll. Sigh. But Harris will be a plum in this year's free agency. He can get twice what he's making now. He knows it. The Spurs have no chance. I'd expect Dallas to be after him, among others.

[Prime BEEF]

True, but really old news. That’s why Pop’s departure is the first and most important move that must be made or else other moves are virtually meaningless.
Truth

[CGD]

The heck of it is, Harris is currently in the same general price category as Carroll. Sigh. But Harris will be a plum in this year's free agency. He can get twice what he's making now. He knows it. The Spurs have no chance. I'd expect Dallas to be after him, among others.

Nets just signed TLC to another 10 deal. Could be that these teams are seeing if there is something there after the former (late) 1st rounder appeared to flamed out.

I believe there is a limit to how many times a team can sign a player to a 10 day contract, so another team may be biding time.

[RC_Drunkford]

Fell off a cliff this year. His FG% is way down from last season, and his rebounding is only half what it was at his career high five years ago. Pass.

That's because he plays for the Bulls and they reduced his role. He's uncomfortable there. He's still the same player he was last year and miles better than Trey Lyles. I wouldn't pass on anybody who's better than Forbes or Lyles. The bar is pretty low right now

[exstatic]

dallas got him for a 2nd round pick.

He rolled off his rookie contact without any real offers, and is on a two year minimum deal. Dallas May have overpaid.

[gambit1990]

He rolled off his rookie contact without any real offers, and is on a two year minimum deal. Dallas May have overpaid.
they had a big go down so they were in need.

[objective]

semi-washed Thaddeus Young (per 36 numbers still the same despite shooting like garbage) is probably still 10 times better than Lyles.

I'd be happy with a lotterty protected first for him with matching salary if the Bulls were willing (probably not). After seeing RC and Wright blow the opportunity at legit big time rotation players in Thybulle and Clarke for the sake of Samanic (who's 2 years away from being Dragan Bender), I don't think the first rounder will be anything worth keeping anyway.

[buujness]

If the FO can get a decent 4 or a 2 by trading Belinelli/Forbes/Carroll/Lyles/Gay/protected picks, then they should do it. Thaddeus Young would fit that bill. Those are the most obvious holes in the starting lineup.

I'm not holding my breath.

[buujness]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1220828270259777538
How has Roby looked this year? Completely lost track of him after the draft.

[Titi Parisien]

https://fadeawayworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NBA-Rumors-A-Blockbuster-Trade-That-Could-Send-DeMar-DeRozan-To-The-Orlando-Magic.jpg?x81489NBA Rumors: A Blockbuster Trade That Could Send DeMar DeRozan To The Orlando Magic

[JeffDuncan]

How has Roby looked this year? Completely lost track of him after the draft.


No NBA stats for Roby, only G League.

[Prime BEEF]

https://fadeawayworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NBA-Rumors-A-Blockbuster-Trade-That-Could-Send-DeMar-DeRozan-To-The-Orlando-Magic.jpg?x81489NBA Rumors: A Blockbuster Trade That Could Send DeMar DeRozan To The Orlando Magic


Source please

[Prime BEEF]

Murray/DDR/Poetl/Carroll for Gordon/Ross/Bamba/Augustin/1st Rd Pick

White/Augustin
Walker/Mills/Forbes/Marco
Ross/Gay
Gordon/Lyles
LMA/Bamba

Then don’t resign Marco and Forbes. Pick 3 and D players with length with both draft picks.

[tbdog]

Obviously the Spurs need to move some dead weight for more production. Gay and Carroll contracts for someone with a worse contract?

[cool cat]

On the year overall, San Antonio is being outscored by almost 11 points per 100 possessions with DeRozan on the floor. That’s bad. So bad that it places those 1,503 minutes in the bottom-eighth percentile of all players in the NBA!!!

[spurspl]

Murray/DDR/Poetl/Carroll for Gordon/Ross/Bamba/Augustin/1st Rd Pick

White/Augustin
Walker/Mills/Forbes/Marco
Ross/Gay
Gordon/Lyles
LMA/Bamba

Then don’t resign Marco and Forbes. Pick 3 and D players with length with both draft picks.

get rid off mills marco and forbes and trade for smb like bogdanovic or hield. Ofc we would have to add picks but idc

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

get rid off mills marco and forbes and trade for smb like bogdanovic or hield. Ofc we would have to add picks but idc

So the idea would be to turn into a mix of Orlando and Sacramaneto underachievers, while giving away picks? Exciting!1!!1!

[Collins21]

So the idea would be to turn into a mix of Orlando and Sacramaneto underachievers, while giving away picks? Exciting!1!!1!

That dude is stupid just look at his post history.

[EasyMoney]

Bryn and gay have to go, #1. Marco in spot minutes is fine.
Trade Bryn and gay for a competent starting pf and move Lyle's to the bench

[spurspl]

So the idea would be to turn into a mix of Orlando and Sacramaneto underachievers, while giving away picks? Exciting!1!!1!
look at this year draft...


That dude is stupid just look at his post history.
id love to hear ur ideas about spurs future. Lemme guess keep ddr and lma because we are contenders? xd and btw i said months ago that pop should retire so most of spurs fans were laughing at me and now? majority of them wants him out. Second, i said that spurs should take ingram in kawhis trade, almost everyone said that ingram is a bust and now?? hes more valuable than ddr and lma together

[Collins21]

look at this year draft...


id love to hear ur ideas about spurs future. Lemme guess keep ddr and lma because we are contenders? xd and btw i said months ago that pop should retire so most of spurs fans were laughing at me and now? majority of them wants him out. Second, i said that spurs should take ingram in kawhis trade, almost everyone said that ingram is a bust and now?? hes more valuable than ddr and lma together

Yet when they played LMA actually won the game while putting up stats. Ingram was a Zion Williamson surge away from getting blown out by a Spurs team with less talented than the Spurs

[ZeusWillJudge]

So the idea would be to turn into a mix of Orlando and Sacramaneto underachievers, while giving away picks? Exciting!1!!1!


EXACTLY.

And I love it when people say that we could get value for Mills and Beli, because they are expiring... and then suggest that we trade them for someone else who is also expiring. :lol

[Dverde]

Spurs are going to sign Forbes in the offseason. Only chance we have is someone throwing a big offer at him. Marco is gone. I would be shocked if he stays in the NBA next year. Probably play overseas.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs are going to sign Forbes in the offseason. Only chance we have is someone throwing a big offer at him. Marco is gone. I would be shocked if he stays in the NBA next year. Probably play overseas.


Or possibly if Pop retires. I'm still holding out hope for that.

[talkspurs]

I think the pop retiring is more likely the reason Forbes does not come back. I am thinking if pop is here Spurs will not be outbid for Forbes.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

My contact with Magic FO says he would say there is a slight shift in momentum towards doing a trade. He would still lean towards Magic not being big players this deadline. The Magic would pursue one other target 1st over DDR, if they decide to try and make big move.

He says the rumors around Magic FO is most believe the Spurs stay pat or make a small move to get a player they think can contribute immediately and guarantee them 8th spot.

But they also think the Spurs are at least considering blowing it up so to speak & with the Grizzlies play of late finding a player that definitely puts you in the playoffs isn't easy. If Spurs decide to move DDR/LMA would want to have deal in place that moves both & likely Gay (one big trade or multiple deals they can execute at same time). The feeling was Miami was in best position to do this (with rumor trade also involving Sac/SA) but the kings moving Ariza, along with certain rules around using Bazemore in a trade, makes Miami package less attractive & more difficult to match salary requirements.

He says Orlando does have a framework they think would be generally agreeable to all teams, with pick distribution & ORL landing a 3&D guy being the biggest hurdle. From talking to him I put together what I think is at least close to framework Orlando would propose. He believes that Orlando acquiring DDR is directly tied to their ability to also acquire a 3&D player to put next to him & that Covington would be primary target. He says that Magic have framework for making Wolves part of blockbuster deal or doing a smaller trade after 3 team deal (ORL, SA, SAC) is complete. Covington & Twolves would be key in making deal work IF the other teams are willing. Many teams are interested in Covington & Twolves are in position to sit back and wait for very best offer. If Covington isn't available he isn't sure there is another 3&D guy on market to make trade work. Some of my proposal below is guess work (in terms of picks/fillers) based on things he said but a deal would include:

Orlando - DDR, Covington
SA - Gordon, Barnes, Bogdanvic, Dedmon
Sacramento - LMA, Gay, Ross, Bamba + pick(s)
Minnesota - 1st pick, +player(s) and/or additional pick

https://tradenba.com/trades/3bDKg8mVy

Trade is not likely or imminent, but nice to hear there is at least some belief that the Spurs are at looking at options, including the potential of being willing to "blow it up"

[Chinook]

That's a terrible trade for the Spurs. Just abysmal.

[Degoat]

I actually really like that trade for the spurs lol I’d love Gordon and Bogdanovich on the spurs I know we lose LMA and DDR but unless we make a strong push for that 8th seed we might as well try to get some young pieces for those guys

[DPG21920]

That's a terrible trade for the Spurs. Just abysmal.

I agree. I am fine with Gordon/Bog, but losing LMA/DDR and not getting any firsts is a loss.

[BacktoBasics]

I’m okay with it if they can forward Barnes to another team. I’d rather extend DDR than take Barnes for 3 more years.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

He also says Magic FO believe Spurs wait until off-season or next year's trade deadline to make any major decision on future direction, but I'd they decided to be aggressive this deadline doesn't see a better package the Spurs can get.

The other factor I brought up was that it was hard to see the Spurs shipping LMA to a non contender. If the Spurs make moves involving any of DDR/LMA/Rudy, I think Pop will not be willing to send them to a non playoff team unless the offer is overwhelming

[talkspurs]

here it is on ESPN if I did it right. It was hard for me to see some of the plaeyers names with all the teams.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=uymu56g

I find it interesting that the win projections between the 2 sites are so different. I dont like giving up the first rd pick. I dont think we get anyone that will be a solid player.

I like this trade better but dont know If I would give up our first this year for it. Only Problem is it would mean them moving Deadmon in a separate trade. But this would free up some time for him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=uko2eyj (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=uymu56g)

[tbdog]

Lol, that's a massive trade.

[TimDunkem]

Sac and Orl seem like perfect trade partners if you're moving a piece. Not so much if you're trading both DD and LMA. I think the Spurs could do a lot better if that were the case.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I agree. I am fine with Gordon/Bog, but losing LMA/DDR and not getting any firsts is a loss.


It would be complete and utter capitulation. The crowning achievement on three years of personnel mismanagement.

[JeffDuncan]

...

Trade is not likely or imminent, ...



Pop using his whiteboard to beat Bryn Forbes to death during the player introductions is more likely than that trade.

DDR isn't tradeable, because his contract price is too high for a player of his type. If he is motivated by money, he will exercise his player option, and be with the Spurs next season. If he is more motivated by a desire to be on a better team, he will opt out and try his luck elsewhere, even at a lower salary.

LMA will be here next season.

Gay will be here next season. He's no longer good enough to be tradeable at his contract price, and the contract is too large to be used as filler in another trade.

Patty Mills will be here next season.

Demarre Carroll's contract guarantees him $8 million more than he will have received at the end of this season. (A total of $15 mil guaranteed, after he gets $7 mil this year.) It will be hard to find a trade partner willing to pay Carroll another 8 mil after he has basically had an entire season off, at age 33. That sort of situation would ordinarily put a player in veteran minimum territory, for which the team liability is now only about $1.5 mil, I believe. The simple solution would be, well, simply to bring him back for another season, but...to do what? The Spurs have created a knotty puzzle for themselves with this one. An unpleasant possibility is that as Pau Gasol's $5 mil comes off the books, at the end of this year, another $5 mil replaces it, as the Spurs agree to pay that much to trade Carroll. We shall see.

Belinelli becomes UFA, and we can hope that for once the Spurs do the smart thing, and let him go.

Trey Lyles currently has $1 million guaranteed for next season. His $5.5 million salary, for next season, will be fully guaranteed on 6/30/'20 if the Spurs decide to keep him on the roster. Presumably, if the Spurs can sign a better player they will pay the million to let him go. So, can they get somebody better?

Jacob Poeltl becomes a restricted FA, with a qualifying offer of just a tad over $5 mil. I believe the Spurs should try to keep him. I wouldn't have thought so early in the season, but he's changed my mind.

The Unspeakable One, whose very name is a curse, becomes a UFA, and let us all pray to the basketball gods that so it shall be, and his memory fade from the minds of all Spurs fans.

Lonnie will be back.

Luka will be in Austin, one supposes.

Murray's new contract kicks in next season. He will be back.

Keldon will be in the second year of his rookie deal.

Derrick White will be back, I hope, although his contract is probably the easiest to trade.

Metu, the Spurs need to either fish or cut bait. Is he an NBA player or not?

One way or another, there could be as many as six spots to fill for next season. As far as what positions to look for, the fact is, every position on the team could be better, either at the starter or off the bench.

[TimDunkem]

^Nice, succinct summary of the Spurs current roster situation...as well as an eye-opening reminder of just how awful the Spurs have been at roster construction these past few years. Yuck.

[mo7888]

I think the FO hasn't done a good job in a few years (I'm being nice) but, I don't think they're dumb enough to to execute that trade (and the foreseeable future).

[cool cat]

That trade is fake as Sh!t. Dedmon does not want to come back here & I doubt Pop wants him back.

[EasyMoney]

That's a not so good trade. Harrison Barnes contract is terrible and no picks are given. Although the team would be almost 11 players deep

[EasyMoney]

I think the FO hasn't done a good job in a few years (I'm being nice) but, I don't think they're dumb enough to to execute that trade (and the foreseeable future).


Spurs have been making questionable decisions ever since kawhi demanded a trade. Almost makes you wonder what trade package they would have accepted if pop wasn't at the helm of the decision making.

[cd021]

Lol, that's a massive trade.

8 player trades are incredibly rare tbh.

[B1gduff]

Wonder if it's possible for us to get a 4 team deal, involving the Magic, Heat, and Wolves.

Main pieces moved

Spurs: Gordon, Winslow, a pick (maybe Orlando)
Heat: LA, Belineli
Magic: DD, Covington, Forbes
Wolves: Bamba, Kz, Spurs 2nd round and Heats first round pick.

[spurspl]

Orlando - DDR, Covington
SA - Gordon, Barnes, Bogdanvic, Dedmon
Sacramento - LMA, Gay, Ross, Bamba + pick(s)
Minnesota - 1st pick, +player(s) and/or additional pick

https://tradenba.com/trades/3bDKg8mVy



bamba instead of dedmon and im okay with that trade
murray/walker/bogdanovic/gordon/bamba

[TimDunkem]

Wonder if it's possible for us to get a 4 team deal, involving the Magic, Heat, and Wolves.

Main pieces moved

Spurs: Gordon, Winslow, a pick (maybe Orlando)
Heat: LA, Belineli
Magic: DD, Covington, Forbes
Wolves: Bamba, Kz, Spurs 2nd round and Heats first round pick.

Heat have no 1sts to trade.

[Chillen]

I would like the Spurs to try and get that playoff streak record but the reality here is for now Spurs are no longer legit contenders. LMA and DeMar have proven to not be good enough to contend just barely make the playoffs in the West. I really thought the Spurs would be better than this after the Kawhi trade but the reality is the Spurs dynasty was over when Kawhi wanted out. Spurs are all about pride at this point with trying to keep that playoff streak alive and that's it. Pop is still the coach and Tim is an assistant coach but maybe it really is time to blow it up and rebuild. What kind of ceiling does this team really have? The Pelicans for instance have a much greater ceiling than the Spurs do. Zion could become a top 20 all-time great NBA player, they are set for years. The Spurs on the other hand have some young players that may or may not blossom into all-stars and some vets.

Spurs FO has some serious decisions to make about this team, it's an 8th seed playoff team at best. A rebuild will be tough but this team as is just trying to get that 8th seed and that's it.

[spurspl]

I would like the Spurs to try and get that playoff streak record but the reality here is for now Spurs are no longer legit contenders. LMA and DeMar have proven to not be good enough to contend just barely make the playoffs in the West. I really thought the Spurs would be better than this after the Kawhi trade but the reality is the Spurs dynasty was over when Kawhi wanted out. Spurs are all about pride at this point with trying to keep that playoff streak alive and that's it. Pop is still the coach and Tim is an assistant coach but maybe it really is time to blow it up and rebuild. What kind of ceiling does this team really have? The Pelicans for instance have a much greater ceiling than the Spurs do. Zion could become a top 20 all-time great NBA player, they are set for years. The Spurs on the other hand have some young players that may or may not blossom into all-stars and some vets.

Spurs FO has some serious decisions to make about this team, it's an 8th seed playoff team at best. A rebuild will be tough but this team as is just trying to get that 8th seed and that's it.

wow ur fast dude but still better later than never. Some ppl still dont notice that.

[Bellboy]

Orlando: Derozan,Covington,Metu
Spurs: Gordon, Barnes,Bejeica,Bamba,Heild
Sacramento: Aldridge,Gay, Forbes
Minnesota: Augustin
Picks swapped as needed

This works salary wise.

SA takes biggest hit on win projection by far. Probably ends Spurs playoff streak

But builds young core for future

[lmbebo]

Orlando: Derozan,Covington,Metu
Spurs: Gordon, Barnes,Bejeica,Bamba,Heild
Sacramento: Aldridge,Gay, Forbes
Minnesota: Augustin
Picks swapped as needed

This works salary wise.

SA takes biggest hit on win projection by far. Probably ends Spurs playoff streak

But builds young core for future

Don't think Minny gets involved in that trade based on them getting Augustin. Covington is becoming a hotter commodity.

[Bellboy]

Had to move money to make Orlando able to execute trade and Minnesota shows only one pg on roster. Nuts and bolts are hard to do with this many teams. Just liked this mix than the trade mentioned above

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Jeezus...some of these trade ideas. Wow. We really do want to suck for the next decade I guess. Unless we're getting some 1st round picks for DDR or LMA, none of these deals involving either of those two benefit the Spurs in the long run, and don't make us better in the short run. Change for the sake of change isn't always positive.

Now if someone would take Forbes, Mills and Marco...maybe for some G leaguers, a Farrah poster, and bag of Fritos...we're talking major upgrades here...major.

[Bellboy]

Jeezus...some of these trade ideas. Wow. We really do want to suck for the next decade I guess. Unless we're getting some 1st round picks for DDR or LMA, none of these deals involving either of those two benefit the Spurs in the long run, and don't make us better in the short run. Change for the sake of change isn't always positive.

Now if someone would take Forbes, Mills and Marco...maybe for some G leaguers, a Farrah poster, and bag of Fritos...we're talking major upgrades here...major.



:pop:Well we’ll suck for 100 years if you want me give up that much “ team culture “ a one time.

[spurspl]

Jeezus...some of these trade ideas. Wow. We really do want to suck for the next decade I guess. Unless we're getting some 1st round picks for DDR or LMA, none of these deals involving either of those two benefit the Spurs in the long run, and don't make us better in the short run. Change for the sake of change isn't always positive.

Now if someone would take Forbes, Mills and Marco...maybe for some G leaguers, a Farrah poster, and bag of Fritos...we're talking major upgrades here...major.

bad idea is keeping ddr and lma or lettin them go without anything in return. Do u really think that getting players like hield/bogdanovic/gordon/bamba isnt good in long term?? we have some solid young players in white murray walker and poetlt. 1st round picks arent must haves bc 1) they would probably end up in g league for 2yrs, 2) this draft is weak, 3) if we tank now probably get top pick so one is enough imo, 4) if we have to use our young guys potential we need to rebuild this team now so they can have 1-2seasons to play together and then explode.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs have been making questionable decisions ever since kawhi demanded a trade. Almost makes you wonder what trade package they would have accepted if pop wasn't at the helm of the decision making.

lol ever since Kawhi. You mean to tell me resigning Gasol and Mills for a combined 114 million wasn't a bad decision? The writing was on the wall before Kawhi wanted out and many here called it

[ace3g]

10 days away.

[Prime BEEF]

10 days away.
Pop won’t do anything

[UZER]

I don’t trust ANY moves at this point as long as Pop is still the head coach/involved. It’s pointless.

[CGD]

Adding Harrison Barnes 4 year contract would Frustrate the whole goal of “blowing it up”

[DPG21920]

It has been time, IMO, since the beginning of the season to blow this up. I understand waiting and there was no harm in doing so. But after continued losses and still making up no ground on even being a .500 team? Being one spot out of the playoffs or not, there is no justification for keeping this core together. Get something for DeRozan, LMA, Rudy while you can. Especially DeRozan.

It’s over. This team is not worth keeping together any longer. They have been under .500 the majority of the season and even their “best” stretch was only .500 ball.

They are now 5 games under .500 and very likely are going to be 7-8 games under .500 by the time the trade deadline is here. There are 5 games between now and the deadline and 1-4 seems likely, but even 2-3 still has SA well under .500.

It’s. Over.

[Robz4000]

We both know the Spurs will do nothing.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs are doing nothing and bringing back mostly the same team or worse next year. Deal with it, people.

[cd021]

It has been time, IMO, since the beginning of the season to blow this up. I understand waiting and there was no harm in doing so. But after continued losses and still making up no ground on even being a .500 team? Being one spot out of the playoffs or not, there is no justification for keeping this core together. Get something for DeRozan, LMA, Rudy while you can. Especially DeRozan.

It’s over. This team is not worth keeping together any longer. They have been under .500 the majority of the season and even their “best” stretch was only .500 ball.

They are now 5 games under .500 and very likely are going to be 7-8 games under .500 by the time the trade deadline is here. There are 5 games between now and the deadline and 1-4 seems likely, but even 2-3 still has SA well under .500.

It’s. Over.

Spurs are 6 games under .500. If they lose to Utah, LAC and the LAL then they'll be 9 games under by the deadline.

[DPG21920]

Spurs are 6 games under .500. If they lose to Utah, LAC and the LAL then they'll be 9 games under by the deadline.

Good catch - I forgot to update with tonight’s loss. So it’s even worse than I described lol.

[slick'81]

Spurs are doing nothing and bringing back mostly the same team or worse next year. Deal with it, people.

This is my fear along with derozan&bryn being extended

[DavidTheGoliath]

This is my fear along with derozan&bryn being extended
If bryck will be part of the future to replace patty then Holy shit :spin

[itzsoweezee]

If the trade deadline passes and bryn and demar are still on the team, that'll be good enough for me to finally stop paying attention to this team. There are too many entertaining players and teams in this league to waste time watching the uninspiring, mundane, joyless play of these San Antonio Spurs.

It sucks to see Tim Duncan on the sidelines, a party to this mess.

[cool cat]

I posted this idea before but trade LMA & Demar and go get Gordon and Lavine. Throw in whatever trash you want as well, bryn, Lyles, Carroll, Beli and try to get what other assets you can in players and/or picks. Preferably picks.

Starting lineup of
Jakob
Gordon
Lavine
Lonnie
Murray

Will be a fun team to watch and a clear path to the future.

[Down Under]

Give the keys to White & Murray & trade DD for a forward who's at least willing to shoot 3s.

[tbdog]

We got threads that Murray's performance is underwhelming, so let's trade our best player and give him the keys?

[spurspl]

We got threads that Murray's performance is underwhelming, so let's trade our best player and give him the keys?

everyone should be tradeable but i dont think any team would take a pg who cant shoot 3s nowadays sooo we are stuck for years with a guard whos a great defender but poor playmaker and shooter....

[Prime BEEF]

If the trade deadline passes and bryn and demar are still on the team, that'll be good enough for me to finally stop paying attention to this team. There are too many entertaining players and teams in this league to waste time watching the uninspiring, mundane, joyless play of these San Antonio Spurs.

It sucks to see Tim Duncan on the sidelines, a party to this mess.
I think the trade deadline is really one of the few things keeping fans interested in the spurs. After that comes and goes with the spurs doing nothing, a lot of fans won’t watch the games on tv or attend in person anymore. They will just occasionally check the score results online. Sad but true. Some are already doing that and I don’t blame them.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It has been time, IMO, since the beginning of the season to blow this up. I understand waiting and there was no harm in doing so. But after continued losses and still making up no ground on even being a .500 team? Being one spot out of the playoffs or not, there is no justification for keeping this core together. Get something for DeRozan, LMA, Rudy while you can. Especially DeRozan.

It’s over. This team is not worth keeping together any longer. They have been under .500 the majority of the season and even their “best” stretch was only .500 ball.

They are now 5 games under .500 and very likely are going to be 7-8 games under .500 by the time the trade deadline is here. There are 5 games between now and the deadline and 1-4 seems likely, but even 2-3 still has SA well under .500.

It’s. Over.


LOL. Good Young Skywalker - you've finally come fully over to the Dark Side. The funny thing is, all I ever called for was a 1-year tank, and clearing a couple of shit pieces from the roster. The biggest problem with this team is that PATFO just kept packing it full of shooting guards who couldn't shoot particularly well, and then trying to force some of them to play the point. And that turned into a forced marriage to Bryn and Beli.
But now it's obvious that DDR will be opting out, and I don't think Aldridge stays beyond next year unless they grossly overpay him (and he'll be 35 to start next season.)

The biggest thing the Spurs need to do right now is get rid of Forbes and Marco at all costs. At all costs. At all fucking costs. Then bring up Keldon and Spoon, and throw them into the deep end of the pool. The team isn't going to challenge for anything this year, we all know that. So if those guys get steamrolled, the team gets a better draft pick. Personally, I think the team gets better, if Pop handles the rotation properly. They should probably move one of the three young guys, just to relieve the logjam at the 2.

Honestly, at this point I think you have to pay DeMar. But to keep him you have GOT to commit to putting better defenders than Bryn (basically anyone) or Beli on the floor with him, and a couple of legit 3P shooters. If they won't do that, or can't do that, then there's no point in keeping DDR either. He's really goo at what he does, but without the other pieces, the team is going to lose way too many games.

And then somebody has to coach this team that will commit to playing some damn defense.

[TDomination]

I don’t trust ANY moves at this point as long as Pop is still the head coach/involved. It’s pointless.
This

regardless of who comes in and who goes out, we all know the remaining constant will be Forbes in the starting lineup.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I think the trade deadline is really one of the few things keeping fans interested in the spurs. After that comes and goes with the spurs doing nothing, a lot of fans won’t watch the games on tv or attend in person anymore. They will just occasionally check the score results online. Sad but true. Some are already doing that and I don’t blame them.


There's an alternative to watching every Spurs game this season. First, record one Spurs game. Then, every game night, pay someone to give you a good solid kick in the balls. When that stops feeling bad enough, pay them to give you a second kick. And when that stops feeling bad enough, then, and only then, fire up the DVR and watch the game you recorded. Don't worry - it will feel just as bad as watching the one on live TV that night, and it will look virtually identical.

[Bellboy]

Orlando - DDR, Gay, Dedmon, Joseph , James

Sacramento - LMA,Carrol, Belinelli, Forbes,Ross, Jefferson

SA - Gordon,Fournier,Bamba,Bogdanvic,Heild, Bjelica

Ultimate Blowup

2020-2021 Spurs

Coach Popovich or Hammond

Player Age
Fournier 27
Gordon 24
Bamba 21
Heild 27
Bogdanovic 27
Poeltl 25
White 25
Murray 23
Walker 21
Mills 31
Lyles 24
Johnson 20
Eubanks 22
Metu 22
?????? ??

Scary in a good way or a bad way ?

[ZeusWillJudge]

It's scary that you took the time to map out a 17 player trade.

[SpursDynasty85]

Orlando - DDR, Gay, Dedmon, Joseph , James

Sacramento - LMA,Carrol, Belinelli, Forbes,Ross, Jefferson

SA - Gordon,Fournier,Bamba,Bogdanvic,Heild, Bjelica

Ultimate Blowup

2020-2021 Spurs

Coach Popovich or Hammond

Player Age
Fournier 27
Gordon 24
Bamba 21
Heild 27
Bogdanovic 27
Poeltl 25
White 25
Murray 23
Walker 21
Mills 31
Lyles 24
Johnson 20
Eubanks 22
Metu 22
?????? ??

Scary in a good way or a bad way ?

Lol. So Spurs fleece everyone? Great trade idea.

[exstatic]

It's scary that you took the time to map out a 17 player trade.

...that has zero chace of happening.

[TimDunkem]

Some of you really suck at this trade scenario thing.

[ZeusWillJudge]

...that has zero chace of happening.

:lol

:pop: "Everything was good to go, and at the last minute David Stern came back to life and vetoed the deal. I swear."

[look_at_g_shred]

Lol. So Spurs fleece everyone? Great trade idea.
lol

[look_at_g_shred]

Yo c'mon the spurs aren't fleecing anyone. Its the spurs the ones who will be getting fleeced. We all know this.

[DPG21920]

LOL. Good Young Skywalker - you've finally come fully over to the Dark Side. The funny thing is, all I ever called for was a 1-year tank, and clearing a couple of shit pieces from the roster. The biggest problem with this team is that PATFO just kept packing it full of shooting guards who couldn't shoot particularly well, and then trying to force some of them to play the point. And that turned into a forced marriage to Bryn and Beli.
But now it's obvious that DDR will be opting out, and I don't think Aldridge stays beyond next year unless they grossly overpay him (and he'll be 35 to start next season.)

The biggest thing the Spurs need to do right now is get rid of Forbes and Marco at all costs. At all costs. At all fucking costs. Then bring up Keldon and Spoon, and throw them into the deep end of the pool. The team isn't going to challenge for anything this year, we all know that. So if those guys get steamrolled, the team gets a better draft pick. Personally, I think the team gets better, if Pop handles the rotation properly. They should probably move one of the three young guys, just to relieve the logjam at the 2.

Honestly, at this point I think you have to pay DeMar. But to keep him you have GOT to commit to putting better defenders than Bryn (basically anyone) or Beli on the floor with him, and a couple of legit 3P shooters. If they won't do that, or can't do that, then there's no point in keeping DDR either. He's really goo at what he does, but without the other pieces, the team is going to lose way too many games.

And then somebody has to coach this team that will commit to playing some damn defense.


Lol. The fuse is lit.

[lmbebo]

At first, with our little mini-streak felt maybe spurs decided to ride it out. But recent slide has me thinking otherwise. 2 games behind Memphis for 8th. Looking at Feb schedule, feels like Spurs will probably win maybe 3 or 4 games in that time span.

1/29 Utah - Loss
2/1 Cha - Win
2/3 @LAC - Loss
2/4 @LAL - Loss
2/6 @Por - Win?
2/8 sac - leaning towards loss
2/10 @DEN - Loss
2/11 OKC - Loss
2/21 @UTAH - Loss
2/23 OKC - Loss
2/26 DAL - Loss
2/29 ORL - Win

Things can happen... but thats a rough schedule for a team that isn't great. We have the potential to come out of Feb completly decimated in the standings.

[Bellboy]

Lol. So Spurs fleece everyone? Great trade idea.

Actually according to Hollinger both Orlando and Sacramento increase their wins by 1 for the rest of the year and Spurs increase their losses by 4. I guess we’re not tanking but fleecing our way to the #1 pick.

[DPG21920]

LMA to POR still makes a lot of sense on paper. They, with a Lillard type player, need to add talent where they can and trade is their most viable path due to their cap situation.

It puts LMA back in a comfortable place and SA can drop out of the PO race gracefully. Two separate deals:

Deal 1:

POR Gets: LMA + Beli
SA Gets: Whiteside + Zach Collins + 1st

Deal 2:

POR Gets: Mills
SA Gets: Ariza

So basically, we clear LMA off the books next year, Mills off the books and get rid of Beli to open up playing time. Ariza only has a small guarantee, Whiteside is an expiring and Spurs get a big man prospect and a first round pick.

POR gets their extra star power with LMA locked in for another season, gets a great back up PG and good leader and more shooting with Beli.

Reason for the 2 deals is because Ariza cannot be combined with other players in a deal.

[Ignazzz]

Dreamers

Metu for vet. Only possible move ))))). Guard I guess. ))))

[emanueldavidginobili]

The Spurs unfortunately will probably not make any moves. The only thing I can see them doing is moving Carroll because he asked for a trade not because PATFO thinks they need to make a move. With the proper rotations this team would have 10 more wins than they have right now most likely. I’m all for a trade but just don’t see it happening.

[ZeusWillJudge]

LMA to POR still makes a lot of sense on paper. They, with a Lillard type player, need to add talent where they can and trade is their most viable path due to their cap situation.

It puts LMA back in a comfortable place and SA can drop out of the PO race gracefully. Two separate deals:

Deal 1:

POR Gets: LMA + Beli
SA Gets: Whiteside + Zach Collins + 1st

Deal 2:

POR Gets: Mills
SA Gets: Ariza

So basically, we clear LMA off the books next year, Mills off the books and get rid of Beli to open up playing time. Ariza only has a small guarantee, Whiteside is an expiring and Spurs get a big man prospect and a first round pick.

POR gets their extra star power with LMA locked in for another season, gets a great back up PG and good leader and more shooting with Beli.

Reason for the 2 deals is because Ariza cannot be combined with other players in a deal.


Getting rid of Beli makes me feel funny where my swimsuit goes. But isn't Collins sort of redundant with Poeltl here? I assume the plan is to just let Whiteside go. But if you're going to do that, why not just let LMA go? I guess the extra year, assuming LMA opts in? The Spurs would wind up with Top 10 draft pick big men from consecutive drafts in Collins and Poeltl.

I think the Spurs could actually ask for Gary Trent or Hezonja in the Mills/Ariza deal, since Ariza's salary is enough on its own to offset Mills', and the numbers still work after adding their salaries.

You still haven't said how the Spurs get rid of Forbes, so the funny feeling is starting to subside.

[DPG21920]

Getting rid of Beli makes me feel funny where my swimsuit goes. But isn't Collins sort of redundant with Poeltl here? I assume the plan is to just let Whiteside go. But if you're going to do that, why not just let LMA go? I guess the extra year, assuming LMA opts in? The Spurs would wind up with Top 10 draft pick big men from consecutive drafts in Collins and Poeltl.

Collins is a very different sort of big man than Jakob. Just like having LMA + Jakob, you would have Collins who is a big man that can score and shoot some from 3.

LMA is fully guaranteed next year so there is no option. Zach is super cheap still on a rookie deal. Whiteside could just be bought out like you said.

Spurs need big men in their pipeline honestly and Jakob is due a raise as well.




I think the Spurs could actually ask for Gary Trent or Hezonja in the Mills/Ariza deal, since Ariza's salary is enough on its own to offset Mills', and the numbers still work after adding their salaries.

You still haven't said how the Spurs get rid of Forbes, so the funny feeling is starting to subside.

Can’t combine any other players with Ariza in a deal, so no go on Trent/Hezonja. Getting rid of Beli/Mills means you only have one of those types of guys in Forbes. I can live with that.

[RC_Drunkford]

yea let's just trade the 2 best players on the team when we have 13 other guys that suck

[ZeusWillJudge]

Can’t combine any other players with Ariza in a deal, so no go on Trent/Hezonja. Getting rid of Beli/Mills means you only have one of those types of guys in Forbes. I can live with that.

That was a brain blip about LMA. I know better than that. Still, it's a naked dump of Aldridge. I hate doing that in what promises to be a terrible FA class, but if the Spurs were really blowing it up I guess that may be for the best. (We're just talking here, right?)

I was kidding about you not accounting for Forbes' demise, but I want his dumb ass off the roster. Partly because he'll never score enough to offset his negative impact more than occasionally. And partly because I'm dreading the day that they announce they've given him a new fat contract.

I'm pretty sure what I said about adding one of Trent/Hezonja to the deal is correct, for the reason I listed. But I already made one mistake in that post so I'm not getting cocky about it. I'll see if I can find an article on it, but I think the rule is there to keep a team from combining a recent acquisition with another salary to make the match possible. So you can't acquire a guy just for ballast in a trade - have to wait two months. But if Ariza's salary makes the match for Forbes' (and it does), the Blazers could throw one of those guys on top. I think.

[mo7888]

LMA to POR still makes a lot of sense on paper. They, with a Lillard type player, need to add talent where they can and trade is their most viable path due to their cap situation.

It puts LMA back in a comfortable place and SA can drop out of the PO race gracefully. Two separate deals:

Deal 1:

POR Gets: LMA + Beli
SA Gets: Whiteside + Zach Collins + 1st

Deal 2:

POR Gets: Mills
SA Gets: Ariza

So basically, we clear LMA off the books next year, Mills off the books and get rid of Beli to open up playing time. Ariza only has a small guarantee, Whiteside is an expiring and Spurs get a big man prospect and a first round pick.

POR gets their extra star power with LMA locked in for another season, gets a great back up PG and good leader and more shooting with Beli.

Reason for the 2 deals is because Ariza cannot be combined with other players in a deal.

I like that. The only thing about the second trade is if we are blowing it all the way up and trading DDR too I'd like to keep some veteran presence for the young guys. For me, I'd rather move the other little guy for a 2nd ed pick or as part of a DDR trade and keep patty for another year. I wouldn't expect to be huge players in FA this summer other than using space to facilitate deals for future assets and we could have plenty of that depending on the DDR deal.

[Dverde]

Too bad the Knicks hate us. They might be dumb enough to give us picks for our vets.

[DPG21920]

That was a brain blip about LMA. I know better than that. Still, it's a naked dump of Aldridge. I hate doing that in what promises to be a terrible FA class, but if the Spurs were really blowing it up I guess that may be for the best. (We're just talking here, right?)

To me, being realistic about LMA’s value, getting a former top 10 pick with a little upside and a first round pick isn’t just a dump. That’s a pretty decent return. Not amazing, but solid.


I was kidding about you not accounting for Forbes' demise, but I want his dumb ass off the roster. Partly because he'll never score enough to offset his negative impact more than occasionally. And partly because I'm dreading the day that they announce they've given him a new fat contract.

I'm pretty sure what I said about adding one of Trent/Hezonja to the deal is correct, for the reason I listed. But I already made one mistake in that post so I'm not getting cocky about it. I'll see if I can find an article on it, but I think the rule is there to keep a team from combining a recent acquisition with another salary to make the match possible. So you can't acquire a guy just for ballast in a trade - have to wait two months. But if Ariza's salary makes the match for Forbes' (and it does), the Blazers could throw one of those guys on top. I think.

LOL I know you were kidding. But I am not sure your last part is correct; that would be news to me on how that is interpreted. Would honestly love to see that language/an example.

[DPG21920]

I like that. The only thing about the second trade is if we are blowing it all the way up and trading DDR too I'd like to keep some veteran presence for the young guys. For me, I'd rather move the other little guy for a 2nd ed pick or as part of a DDR trade and keep patty for another year. I wouldn't expect to be huge players in FA this summer other than using space to facilitate deals for future assets and we could have plenty of that depending on the DDR deal.


I can see that, but it really clears the books quickly if you trade Mills. This would allow you to have options if you don’t want to tear it all the way down. You can extend DDR and rebuild with cap space, youth and picks around him for a few years. Or like you said, also move DDR (which is what I would prefer.)

I was just working through one trade at a time. DeRozan I will post next.

[DPG21920]

* eagerly awaits Chinook to rip trade to shreds *

[mo7888]

I can see that, but it really clears the books quickly if you trade Mills. This would allow you to have options if you don’t want to tear it all the way down. You can extend DDR and rebuild with cap space, youth and picks around him for a few years. Or like you said, also move DDR (which is what I would prefer.)

I was just working through one trade at a time. DeRozan I will post next.

I like the way your thinking. I'll add, if we needed extra cap space we could easily move mills for space this summer as he enters the final year of his contract.

[DPG21920]

I like the way your thinking. I'll add, if we needed extra cap space we could easily move mills for space this summer as he enters the final year of his contract.

Sure, but if you can do it now? I would. Especially if you can still get the first round pick out of it in the other deal.

[ZeusWillJudge]

To me, being realistic about LMA’s value, getting a former top 10 pick with a little upside and a first round pick isn’t just a dump. That’s a pretty decent return. Not amazing, but solid.

LOL I know you were kidding. But I am not sure your last part is correct; that would be news to me on how that is interpreted. Would honestly love to see that language/an example.


Shit... I nee to pay more attention to what I'm writing. I looked at the first round pick and thought "they won't do that", and wrote it off. And Collins is injured and MIGHT be back in March. It sort of reminded me of Patty's shoulder injury, and we know how long it too him to get back to anything near what he was. Still, it's your hypothetical and if you want to throw in a first, I'm all for it.

Here's the first article I ran across. I don't know who the hell Luke Adams is, but he agrees with me so I thin he's right. :D
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/four-common-misconceptions-about-nba-trades.html

And a bonus, since we're starting to get use to the idea of plotting next season. Start watching Spencer Jones at Stanford. He's young, but he checks a lot of boxes. Last year this time I had been watching two guys that nobody was talking about going higher than the Spurs' pick (De'Andre Hunter and Chum Okeke) plus one that people thought might go undrafted (Thybulle). I think Spencer Jones might be another one of those guys who hits a lot of radars before it's over, but the Spurs could have a pick high enough even if that happens.