NBA Trade Deadline 2020

[ginobilized]

Damn, I hope the Spurs do something. I don't really care about the team, but, would love to see a player with acting chops in the HEB commercials.

[Seventyniner]

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:lol

Nah, it's bullshit to compare the two FOs. The situations were completely different.

That's not to say the Memphis FO has been bad or the Spurs one has been good. But it's apples and oranges here.

[TimDunkem]

Nah, it's bullshit to compare the two FOs. The situations were completely different.

That's not to say the Memphis FO has been bad or the Spurs one has been good. But it's apples and oranges here.

Was it? They had two guys in Conley and Gasol that they clearly needed to move on from. The comparison is closer than you think.

[BacktoBasics]

Wow ATL owning!

I guess. They definitely need more scoring after this move. I’m sure Parker was 2nd or 3rd in points on this team.

[lmbebo]

So, does Atlanta really want both Deadman and Capela or is there yet another move up their sleeve?


Maybe Atl will trade dedmon to Hou?

[DPG21920]

At a minimum we better hear from Brian Wright. He can’t hide. Even if no trades were workable he has to send the message that they aren’t satisfied with these types of results and will continue to pursue making this team better for the future. He can’t hide.

[sasaint]

Was it? They had two guys in Conley and Gasol that they clearly needed to move on from. The comparison is closer than you think.

Pissing in the wind. ST is full of guys who still believe Dumbmar and LMA are worth building around.

[SAGirl]

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:lol

This is exactly why I have become a casual fan and I am turned of from this team. Cannot take more Bryn Forbes is Steph Curry from Pop, or we like what we have, we don't make moves by the trade deadline etc. Sorry to say. I still follow the Spurs from afar and I hope changes are in the horizon but I am turned off and have been turned off from the past couple of years. Still care enough to watch a highlight here and there, or a game here and there, but not like I used to. Damn that is an awful FO. I hope they can turn this around this summer bc they aren't doing anything midseason.

[slick'81]

At a minimum we better hear from Brian Wright. He can’t hide. Even if no trades were workable he has to send the message that they aren’t satisfied with these types of results and will continue to pursue making this team better for the future. He can’t hide.


Oh hell hide behind pop&rc

[TimDunkem]

Pissing in the wind. ST is full of guys who still believe Dumbmar and LMA are worth building around.

And I'll continue to never understand.

[Atl Spur]

So let me get this straight...... you guys are comparing our franchise to Memphis with a straight face? In order for them to get the second pick they had to be trash! Let’s tank so we can get our Ja! Clowns.

[TimDunkem]

So let me get this straight...... you guys are comparing our franchise to Memphis with a straight face? In order for them to get the second pick they had to be trash! Let’s tank so we can get our Ja! Clowns.

Is missing the playoffs with nothing to show for it that much better?

[Darius Bieber]

Is missing the playoffs with nothing to show for it that much better?

Exactly.

Spurs. = Missing the playoffs. A 13-14 pick in the weakest draft ever. No future whatsoever.

Memphis = missed the playoffs. Got a rookie of the year. Making playoffs right away. Bright future.


in the end, they both missed the playoffs. One did it the right way though.

Even if the Spurs get a top 2 pick, PATFO will fuck that up too. Probably gonna draft a Kwame Brown or Anthony Bennett.

[tbdog]

yeah I couldn’t believe that shit was legit. I’d rather have Rudy Gay than Iggy at this point. Wonder if the Spurs turned down Winslow and filler for Gay...

Iggy has a better reputation than Gay.

[DPG21920]

How would you know that?? You haven't seen him play and last time they both played Rudy was miles better.

Because I don’t think Rudy is good and he’s completely washed now?

[TimDunkem]

Iggy also had half a season to rest. Gay already looks gassed.

[FutureMan]

Winslow for Iggy doesn’t work salary wise I think. Who else is involved here?

[Collins21]

Iggy also had half a season to rest. Gay already looks gassed.

He saying that Iggy was better than Gay last year which is false. Iggy will be a bum this year probably worse than Gay but then people will make excuses for him because of his reputation.

[Collins21]

Because I don’t think Rudy is good and he’s completely washed now?

This is revisionist history. rUDY gya sucks now but to act like he was never a good player is wrong.

[Atl Spur]

Exactly.

Spurs. = Missing the playoffs. A 13-14 pick in the weakest draft ever. No future whatsoever.

Memphis = missed the playoffs. Got a rookie of the year. Making playoffs right away. Bright future.


in the end, they both missed the playoffs. One did it the right way though.

Even if the Spurs get a top 2 pick, PATFO will fuck that up too. Probably gonna draft a Kwame Brown or Anthony Bennett.


Yeah because they’ve done that before........comical! Same dudes will be d_ck riding soon as the arrow points up!smh.

[DPG21920]

This is revisionist history. rUDY gya sucks now but to act like he was never a good player is wrong.

He was - but even last year I was luke cool on his new deal. But I’m assuming with what I’ve seen Iggy will be better than Rudy. Both over pays though

[Collins21]

Yeah because they’ve done that before........comical! Same dudes will be d_ck riding soon as the arrow points up!smh.

I'm not in compliance with everything the FO has done but yeah some of these dudes don't have the right to call themselves fans once they do make it back up.

[TimDunkem]

He saying that Iggy was better than Gay last year which is false. Iggy will be a bum this year probably worse than Gay but then people will make excuses for him because of his reputation.

All he needs to do is hit threes, play multiple positions, and not be a sieve on defense. Gay these days only plays multiple positions...poorly. And that's because he cant do the other two.

Iggy will be fine. His demise is greatly exaggerated.

[SAGirl]

Exactly.

Spurs. = Missing the playoffs. A 13-14 pick in the weakest draft ever. No future whatsoever.

Memphis = missed the playoffs. Got a rookie of the year. Making playoffs right away. Bright future.


in the end, they both missed the playoffs. One did it the right way though.

Even if the Spurs get a top 2 pick, PATFO will fuck that up too. Probably gonna draft a Kwame Brown or Anthony Bennett.

Plus, they moved to trade Gasol and Conley midseason once they knew that they were not enough as tandem to take them into the playoffs. They got new FO personnel too and a new coach. They bid farewell to their former franchise guys with affection too. There wasn't any need to refer to "dump" anyone. It was just acknowledged that they had done everything that they could for the two of them and between the Conley injuries, the terrible Chandler Parsons deal and the rest of their guys getting old (ZBo and D-first team Tony Allen) their window had passed. They actually suffered more as a fanbase in those years they tried to build around an injured Conley and their guys getting old, than they are suffering once they decided to finally rebuild tbh.

I think the Spurs are in a similar situation now and they could have blown it up midseason once they knew LMA/Demar weren't enough. There is a possibility that this draft not having a Zion or Morant, or a Doncic/Young/Ayton/Jackson etc is staying their hand. It's possible.

I have always believed they should have rebuilt when Kawhi left. It just so happened that Manu also retired that season and Tony went elsewhere (plus Danny was dealt). It was the perfect moment to rebuild with a blank slate and with some very interesting franchise players coming up in the pipeline of the draft they could have rebuilt already. I have shut up bc 1. its annoying to complain all the time, and 2. have to respect them competing last season although it was underwhelming. But I preferred them to have rebuilt and didn't like the DeRozan trade on that basis to begin with.

Sucks that this draft is not projected to be great, but they aren't getting in the top anyways. Maybe it will take them a few years to finally find their next franchise guy the way they aren't showing any hurry.

[SpurPadre]

For those of you who are still expecting PATFO to make a deadline trade, do you also keep watching Charlie Brown hoping he'll finally kick that football that Lucy place holds for him?

[barakz21]

So mad that the clock hit 3pm est and the spurs haven’t made a move, only to realize it’s only Wednesday. Probably still gonna feel the same way tomorrow, but then again there’s a sliver of hope.

[gambit1990]

it really has come to this... i used to hate on / laugh at teams that were stuck with no direction like the hawks before trae young and the raptors before kawhi... now the spurs are that team... just languishing in basketball purgatory. the difference is... those hawks and those raptors teams made the POs :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Ah yes, the Grizzlies and their long history of great front office success leading to monster on the court success. The Spurs should definitely wish they were the Grizzlies.

The Griz have had a good year of moves, but some of you seriously act like the Spurs haven't been the best franchise for 2 decades. There's plenty to complain about, but come the fuck on.

[Prime BEEF]

More proposed trades because it’s fun and our FO sucks

LMA/Carroll for Oubre/T. Johnson(exp $19M)

DDR/Marco/Lyles for Gordon/Ross/Bamba

[TimDunkem]

Ah yes, the Grizzlies and their long history of great front office success leading to monster on the court success. The Spurs should definitely wish they were the Grizzlies.

The Griz have had a good year of moves, but some of you seriously act like the Spurs haven't been the best franchise for 2 decades. There's plenty to complain about, but come the fuck on.

Not exactly. People are just pointing to the method the Spurs should've followed once Kawhi left.

[ace3g]

Snow flurries in SA - what kind of omen is that for trades?

[TimDunkem]

Snow flurries in SA - what kind of omen is that for trades?

Better put your hopes of this team improving tomorrow on ice.

[DMC]

Better put your hopes of this team improving tomorrow on ice.

I'm hoping LMA and DDR get traded somehow. Getting better right now means amputations.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

This is exactly why I have become a casual fan and I am turned of from this team. Cannot take more Bryn Forbes is Steph Curry from Pop, or we like what we have, we don't make moves by the trade deadline etc. Sorry to say. I still follow the Spurs from afar and I hope changes are in the horizon but I am turned off and have been turned off from the past couple of years. Still care enough to watch a highlight here and there, or a game here and there, but not like I used to. Damn that is an awful FO. I hope they can turn this around this summer bc they aren't doing anything midseason.:blah you became a casual fan the second they didn't resign Anderson.

[itzsoweezee]

Ah yes, the Grizzlies and their long history of great front office success leading to monster on the court success. The Spurs should definitely wish they were the Grizzlies.

The Griz have had a good year of moves, but some of you seriously act like the Spurs haven't been the best franchise for 2 decades. There's plenty to complain about, but come the fuck on.

Lol. This Spurs organization is not that Spurs organization. It's like the Spurs fan base had gotten senile along with Popovich. The Spurs were a great franchise. It isn't anymore.

This team sucks, has no plan, and is run by some obviously incompetent people.

[slick'81]

Snow flurries in SA - what kind of omen is that for trades?

Hells freezing over

[Prime BEEF]

Lol. This Spurs organization is not that Spurs organization. It's like the Spurs fan base had gotten senile along with Popovich. The Spurs were a great franchise. It isn't anymore.

This team sucks, has no plan, and is run by some obviously incompetent people.
Bingo

[Thomas82]

This is exactly why I have become a casual fan and I am turned of from this team. Cannot take more Bryn Forbes is Steph Curry from Pop, or we like what we have, we don't make moves by the trade deadline etc. Sorry to say. I still follow the Spurs from afar and I hope changes are in the horizon but I am turned off and have been turned off from the past couple of years. Still care enough to watch a highlight here and there, or a game here and there, but not like I used to. Damn that is an awful FO. I hope they can turn this around this summer bc they aren't doing anything midseason.

I'm in total agreement with you on that. I don't watch as much as I used to either, and don't mind living in the past until changes are made.

[gambit1990]

https://i.imgur.com/M0cstfF.png

[DPG21920]

Ah yes, the Grizzlies and their long history of great front office success leading to monster on the court success. The Spurs should definitely wish they were the Grizzlies.

The Griz have had a good year of moves, but some of you seriously act like the Spurs haven't been the best franchise for 2 decades. There's plenty to complain about, but come the fuck on.

It’s more than one year for Grizz. Yeah they couldn’t win a title but for a small franchise they’ve done really well for a long time too.

But I agree overall with you. But the league seems to be passing Sa by and the past won’t matter much if they don’t get with it.

Ask the Lakers the past 6 years how thinking past success is enough works out.

As of now, SA is being absolutely LAPPED by every single team in the division. They are doing (whether forced to or not) what many here are asking and not worrying about being mediocre. Their nailing the draft, making wise trades of no future vets and using their resources appropriately.

SA has been amazing but the time is now to get back on track

[Genovaswitness]

Lol. This Spurs organization is not that Spurs organization. It's like the Spurs fan base had gotten senile along with Popovich. The Spurs were a great franchise. It isn't anymore.

This team sucks, has no plan, and is run by some obviously incompetent people.

truth nukes :toast

this team is fucking dogshit. nothing like the team I've been watching for the past two decades

[gambit1990]

Lol. This Spurs organization is not that Spurs organization. It's like the Spurs fan base had gotten senile along with Popovich. The Spurs were a great franchise. It isn't anymore.

This team sucks, has no plan, and is run by some obviously incompetent people.

[gambit1990]

Miami, Memphis and Oklahoma City are working on an elaborate three-team deal that would land the Heat both Andre Iguodala and Danilo Gallinari, league sources tell ESPN. Talks are ongoing and could extend into Thursday, sources said.

ugh

[Robz4000]

Snow flurries in SA - what kind of omen is that for trades?

Hell hath frozen over?

[gambit1990]

i haven't watched the heat play all season but i'm leaning towards gallo putting the heat past the bucks. i think butler's toughness can shake the bucks.

[gambit1990]

Here's one key to getting this three-team deal done and Gallinari to Miami, league sources tell ESPN: Can OKC get Miami to lift the protections on a 2023 first-round pick the Heat owe the Thunder? The pick was originally protected in the top 14.

per woj.

[TimDunkem]

Miami, Memphis and Oklahoma City are working on an elaborate three-team deal that would land the Heat both Andre Iguodala and Danilo Gallinari, league sources tell ESPN. Talks are ongoing and could extend into Thursday, sources said.

ugh

Some good gming right there.

Add OKC to the list of teams that have done well after moving on from their core. Take notes, Poop.

[barakz21]

Sigh, times like these, I wish Belichick was running the Spurs. Dude is cold and heartless but won’t hesitate to give up anyone if it means making the team competitive.

[TimDunkem]

Lol. This Spurs organization is not that Spurs organization. It's like the Spurs fan base had gotten senile along with Popovich. The Spurs were a great franchise. It isn't anymore.

This team sucks, has no plan, and is run by some obviously incompetent people.

Basically.

[MannyIsGod]

It’s more than one year for Grizz. Yeah they couldn’t win a title but for a small franchise they’ve done really well for a long time too.

But I agree overall with you. But the league seems to be passing Sa by and the past won’t matter much if they don’t get with it.

Ask the Lakers the past 6 years how thinking past success is enough works out.

As of now, SA is being absolutely LAPPED by every single team in the division. They are doing (whether forced to or not) what many here are asking and not worrying about being mediocre. Their nailing the draft, making wise trades of no future vets and using their resources appropriately.

SA has been amazing but the time is now to get back on track

No one stays on top forever man. I'm not going to worry about them being lapped until they miss the playoffs for several years in a row with nothing to show for it. They're a long way from that.

[MannyIsGod]

This is exactly why I have become a casual fan and I am turned of from this team. Cannot take more Bryn Forbes is Steph Curry from Pop, or we like what we have, we don't make moves by the trade deadline etc. Sorry to say. I still follow the Spurs from afar and I hope changes are in the horizon but I am turned off and have been turned off from the past couple of years. Still care enough to watch a highlight here and there, or a game here and there, but not like I used to. Damn that is an awful FO. I hope they can turn this around this summer bc they aren't doing anything midseason.

You know you're a fairwether spoiled ass fan when THIS is what turns you off from a team that has won 5 rings in the past 20 years. Holy shit imagine if this team were actually bad for a decade like almost every other team int the NBA has.

No one has to be a good fan, but man some of you are soft AF.

[gambit1990]

from now through the 2026 nba draft... okc currently has 15 (!!!) 1st round (!!!) picks. absolutely fūcking wild.

[DPG21920]

No one stays on top forever man. I'm not going to worry about them being lapped until they miss the playoffs for several years in a row with nothing to show for it. They're a long way from that.

It’s not about missing the playoffs. It’s about the position the team is in. SA is by far in the worst shape now of any team in the division. Not really close either.

And I agreed with about no one staying on top. But you either become the Lakers of the past 6 years or you move forward.

[slick'81]

from now through the 2026 nba draft... okc currently has 15 (!!!) 1st round (!!!) picks. absolutely fūcking wild.


Presti magic

[MannyIsGod]

It’s not about missing the playoffs. It’s about the position the team is in. SA is by far in the worst shape now of any team in the division. Not really close either.

I mean, OK, but that shit can change overnight. The Mavs got lucky with Luka. The Pelicans got lucky with Zion. Houston has been in a good position but has shit to show for it. Memphis has definitely made good moves, but its not like they're proven.

I don't disagree the Spurs are in the worst position but I also don't think that means all that much at this moment. The Spurs were eventually going to be on the bottom. It was inevitable. Now that its here, the only thing you can hope for is to get a star in the draft sometime soon because we're not LA.

I mean props to Dallas for getting the Knicks and Hawks to be their usual stupid selves but lets see if it actually means anthing in a few years because for every team thatt is supposed to be in a great position most of the time it doesn't lead to shit.

[sasaint]

It’s not about missing the playoffs. It’s about the position the team is in. SA is by far in the worst shape now of any team in the division. Not really close either.

And I agreed with about no one staying on top. But you either become the Lakers of the past 6 years or you move forward.

I think you can see the direction in which the Spurs are headed under the current regime.

[Atl Spur]

I’ll just wait.......Crowe will be eaten��. I’m on record; no hiding homies! Worst position=comical

[MannyIsGod]

It’s not about missing the playoffs. It’s about the position the team is in. SA is by far in the worst shape now of any team in the division. Not really close either.

And I agreed with about no one staying on top. But you either become the Lakers of the past 6 years or you move forward.

Also, if Lonnie or Luka take steps in the next few years to be great, then shit flips right away. Is it likely? I mean of course not, but was it likely that Kawhi was going to become the best player in the league? No.

The Spurs aren't locked in to suck for an extended period of time. But they are going to be bad for at least a year or two.

[SAGirl]

You know you're a fairwether spoiled ass fan when THIS is what turns you off from a team that has won 5 rings in the past 20 years. Holy shit imagine if this team were actually bad for a decade like almost every other team int the NBA has.

No one has to be a good fan, but man some of you are soft AF.
You are a shitty poster dude. Only like to call people spoiled who don't swallow trash.

[DPG21920]

I mean, OK, but that shit can change overnight. The Mavs got lucky with Luka. The Pelicans got lucky with Zion. Houston has been in a good position but has shit to show for it. Memphis has definitely made good moves, but its not like they're proven.

I don't disagree the Spurs are in the worst position but I also don't think that means all that much at this moment. The Spurs were eventually going to be on the bottom. It was inevitable. Now that its here, the only thing you can hope for is to get a star in the draft sometime soon because we're not LA.

I mean props to Dallas for getting the Knicks and Hawks to be their usual stupid selves but lets see if it actually means anthing in a few years because for every team thatt is supposed to be in a great position most of the time it doesn't lead to shit.

Is it really luck when a pretty clear formula has emerged? They have put themselves in a position to be lucky. Some was by doing what SA should do (MEM trading Gasol and Conely) some of it was just natural falling off (Mavs) and some was identical to SA but executed better (trading AD for young talent - even if I thought Ingram sucked).

There are no guarantees but there are paths that give you better shots than others. Luck, skill or whatever (SA got lucky too to land Duncan), SA is very far behind and have been quite frankly awful the past 3 years or so in terms of team building and free agency and trades.

[BackHome]

Sigh, times like these, I wish Belichick was running the Spurs. Dude is cold and heartless but won’t hesitate to give up anyone if it means making the team competitive.

Totally agree this is why they are always good they don’t give out trophies �� for being pet players.

[DPG21920]

I mean, OK, but that shit can change overnight. The Mavs got lucky with Luka. The Pelicans got lucky with Zion. Houston has been in a good position but has shit to show for it. Memphis has definitely made good moves, but its not like they're proven.

I don't disagree the Spurs are in the worst position but I also don't think that means all that much at this moment. The Spurs were eventually going to be on the bottom. It was inevitable. Now that its here, the only thing you can hope for is to get a star in the draft sometime soon because we're not LA.

I mean props to Dallas for getting the Knicks and Hawks to be their usual stupid selves but lets see if it actually means anthing in a few years because for every team thatt is supposed to be in a great position most of the time it doesn't lead to shit.

Depends on your definition of leading to something? Titles, ok, but that’s not fair in my eyes. That’s the goal, but its hard. The only reasonable expectation is building a firm playoff team that has a ceiling if things break right to make a run. But a team that wins more than they lose and makes progress and is a firm solid playoff team.

[DPG21920]

I think you can see the direction in which the Spurs are headed under the current regime.

I really can’t - that’s the issue. Im hoping that changes now.

[DPG21920]

Also, if Lonnie or Luka take steps in the next few years to be great, then shit flips right away. Is it likely? I mean of course not, but was it likely that Kawhi was going to become the best player in the league? No.

The Spurs aren't locked in to suck for an extended period of time. But they are going to be bad for at least a year or two.

And I dont care about being bad. NO will have a losing record, but they aren’t bad. SA is just bad with no future at the moment. If they keep LMA and DeRozan? Even worse.

[DPG21920]

I’ll just wait.......Crowe will be eaten��. I’m on record; no hiding homies! Worst position=comical

Huh? Please justify as of right now how SA is not in the worst position.

[MannyIsGod]

You are a shitty poster dude. Only like to call people spoiled who don't swallow trash.

Yon't even know what trash is TBH. Soft.

[sasaint]

I really can’t - that’s the issue. Im hoping that changes now.

Sure, dude, the direction is 6 years of LA - at least.

[MannyIsGod]

Depends on your definition of leading to something? Titles, ok, but that’s not fair in my eyes. That’s the goal, but its hard. The only reasonable expectation is building a firm playoff team that has a ceiling if things break right to make a run. But a team that wins more than they lose and makes progress and is a firm solid playoff team.

I think having flexible expectations is fair. For instance, if I was a Pelicans fan I'd be way happier than I was a Rockets fan even if the Rockets are by all accounts the better team right now.

The Spurs aren't that far off as you're making it seem though. People would be WAY happier with this team if they were playing their youth 30+ minute a game instead of Forbes, LMA, Derozan even if they had a worse record than they do now. So I'd argue that the reason you feel this way is not because the're actually so far off but rather because Pop has made this an incredibly miserable year by handling it really badly.

[MultiTroll]

I mean, OK, but that shit can change overnight. The Mavs got lucky with Luka. The Pelicans got lucky with Zion. Houston has been in a good position but has shit to show for it. Memphis has definitely made good moves, but its not like they're proven.

I don't disagree the Spurs are in the worst position but I also don't think that means all that much at this moment. The Spurs were eventually going to be on the bottom. It was inevitable. Now that its here, the only thing you can hope for is to get a star in the draft sometime soon because we're not LA.

I mean props to Dallas for getting the Knicks and Hawks to be their usual stupid selves but lets see if it actually means anthing in a few years because for every team thatt is supposed to be in a great position most of the time it doesn't lead to shit.
You're making some sense here Manwell.
Doncic was a #1 pick tho. The way Greggor is running things the Spurs are stuck in 14th pick range. Another GNob or Parker miracle seems unlikely to say the least in 2020+.

It's a given the Spurs are not going to get better until Greggor is no longer coach. Preferably no longer has any say in personnel period. Cause if he stops coaching but is still in a dictator position to force his pets to play then nothing will change.

[dbestpro]

Yon't even know what trash is TBH. Soft.

So you are saying the Spurs as they are right now are soft and trash and are not worth cheering for.

[MannyIsGod]

And I dont care about being bad. NO will have a losing record, but they aren’t bad. SA is just bad with no future at the moment. If they keep LMA and DeRozan? Even worse.

See this is nonsense though. The Spurs have lots of prospective youth and no bad long term deals. The direction is absolutely clear. Pop was trying to win this year due to the streak. But they've maintained flexibility and haven't signed any huge long term contracts so they very obviously understand that a change in direction is coming. I don't even see how this is debatable. They would have extended DeRozan otherwise.

[elbamba]

I am okay with the Spurs losing if they would give their young players more playing time. Few teams would sit their rookies like the Spurs in favor of Forbes, Marco, and Gay and PF.

[MannyIsGod]

So you are saying the Spurs as they are right now are soft and trash and are not worth cheering for.

I'm saying that if you've been a fan of the Spurs through the good times and bail on them now because of their current state, you're a pretty shitty fan. If you're ok with that like the previous poster, then by all means jump off the band wagon or be a casual fan or whatever else you want to call yourself. I'll just call you Soft and Spoiled. Same shit really.

Sports aren't the end all be all so whatever is fine. But doesn't change the fact that there are some soft ass spoiled ass fans here.

[objective]

Lol. This Spurs organization is not that Spurs organization. It's like the Spurs fan base had gotten senile along with Popovich. The Spurs were a great franchise. It isn't anymore.

This team sucks, has no plan, and is run by some obviously incompetent people.

Can't disagree.

If it was the Knicks doing these moves, everyone would say, "Same old dumb disfunctional Knicks."

Having a 4 year contract break then having to pay much more per year for a 2 year deal

Giving up a franchise superstar and a starting 2 and $5 million and not even getting Anunoby back (compared to Presti holding out for SGA)

Trading away a player to free up the MLE then getting burned

Benching their only off-season acquisition forever before a single preseason game

Going into a season without a designated head coach in cases of ejection and just doing it by a whole group

Telling everyone that they're in win-now and compete mode with DDR and Gay and signing 32? Year old Carroll but refusing to draft NBA ready players in favor of a giant project

If it was the Knicks it would surprise nobody

[DPG21920]

I think having flexible expectations is fair. For instance, if I was a Pelicans fan I'd be way happier than I was a Rockets fan even if the Rockets are by all accounts the better team right now.

The Spurs aren't that far off as you're making it seem though. People would be WAY happier with this team if they were playing their youth 30+ minute a game instead of Forbes, LMA, Derozan even if they had a worse record than they do now. So I'd argue that the reason you feel this way is not because the're actually so far off but rather because Pop has made this an incredibly miserable year by handling it really badly.

Somewhat true, but SA very clearly has no Luka, no Ja Morant/JJJ or no Zion. You can only get that by getting legit draft picks (most of the time). You do that by playing and developing the youth you already have along with amassing assets smartly when you can (trading LMA and DeRozan)

I think you and I are on the same page with regards to direction I am just making a point about where SA is at and why - the past 3 years have been pretty poor if we are being honest. Confidence should be shaken some even if the Kawhi thing was not their fault. But the decisions about the team preceding that (Pau and Mills) and after that (DeRozan, Rudy/Carroll and standing pat) are really tough to justify and has led to SA being firmly behind with a lot of work to do.

[DPG21920]

See this is nonsense though. The Spurs have lots of prospective youth and no bad long term deals. The direction is absolutely clear. Pop was trying to win this year due to the streak. But they've maintained flexibility and haven't signed any huge long term contracts so they very obviously understand that a change in direction is coming. I don't even see how this is debatable. They would have extended DeRozan otherwise.

If they play everything out next year, that is 3 years of complete nothingness for no reason as the young core ages and gets paid despite not being in a good position. That’s bad.

If that were true, why on Earth did they guarantee LMA deal? That does not jive with a change. In fact, it made trading him LESS attractive

They also signed Rudy for 2 years so it means keeping DeRozan and Lma seems to be the plan. That’s terrible

[MannyIsGod]

Somewhat true, but SA very clearly has no Luka, no Ja Morant/JJJ or no Zion. You can only get that by getting legit draft picks (most of the time). You do that by playing and developing the youth you already have along with amassing assets smartly when you can (trading LMA and DeRozan)

I think you and I are on the same page with regards to direction I am just making a point about where SA is at and why - the past 3 years have been pretty poor if we are being honest. Confidence should be shaken some even if the Kawhi thing was not their fault. But the decisions about the team preceding that (Pau and Mills) and after that (DeRozan, Rudy/Carroll and standing pat) are really tough to justify and has led to SA being firmly behind with a lot of work to do.

I think thats fair, but I also think they know they have to change things and we'll see that as soon as tomorrow. More likely this offseason. I also think Pop earned the right to go out how he wanted, but I really hope that he's not going to go out because its pretty apparent hes done. I just hope he leaves on his own this off season and we start a new chapter. I don't begrudge him (too much) trying to keep it going this year, but its time.

[Thomas82]

Can't disagree.

If it was the Knicks doing these moves, everyone would say, "Same old dumb disfunctional Knicks."

Having a 4 year contract break then having to pay much more per year for a 2 year deal

Giving up a franchise superstar and a starting 2 and $5 million and not even getting Anunoby back (compared to Presti holding out for SGA)

Trading away a player to free up the MLE then getting burned

Benching their only off-season acquisition forever before a single preseason game

Going into a season without a designated head coach in cases of ejection and just doing it by a whole group

Telling everyone that they're in win-now and compete mode with DDR and Gay and signing 32? Year old Carroll but refusing to draft NBA ready players in favor of a giant project

If it was the Knicks it would surprise nobody

It's really depressing when you think about it.

[DPG21920]

I think thats fair, but I also think they know they have to change things and we'll see that as soon as tomorrow. More likely this offseason. I also think Pop earned the right to go out how he wanted, but I really hope that he's not going to go out because its pretty apparent hes done. I just hope he leaves on his own this off season and we start a new chapter. I don't begrudge him (too much) trying to keep it going this year, but its time.

Yeah - it was justifiable. I think it was terrible planning to not make any moves in the off season to actually help winning, but to go into the season wanting to win was justifiable.

I also know that as long as there are changes, I don’t care if they are tomorrow or this summer. Makes no difference. Back when I wanted them to win (first week of the season) I wanted changes then to win now. But that ship has sailed.

However, the fact they committed to this team for 2 years is scary? Rudy on the books. LMA got his deal guaranteed for NO FREAKING REASON, Carroll on the books next year. Mills.

There is a lot of work to do and let’s hope they do the right thing vs just standing pat for yet another year. While it would not be the end of the world with a clean set of books following that, it would be 100% unjustifiable and signal that this front office has completely lost touch and has fallen way behind most of the league.

[MannyIsGod]

Can't disagree.

If it was the Knicks doing these moves, everyone would say, "Same old dumb disfunctional Knicks."

Having a 4 year contract break then having to pay much more per year for a 2 year deal

Giving up a franchise superstar and a starting 2 and $5 million and not even getting Anunoby back (compared to Presti holding out for SGA)

Trading away a player to free up the MLE then getting burned

Benching their only off-season acquisition forever before a single preseason game

Going into a season without a designated head coach in cases of ejection and just doing it by a whole group

Telling everyone that they're in win-now and compete mode with DDR and Gay and signing 32? Year old Carroll but refusing to draft NBA ready players in favor of a giant project

If it was the Knicks it would surprise nobody

You're not wrong, but there's a reason they don't get treated the same way as the Knicks and that means something. We're at the end of an era for sure, though. If this is the price to pay for the last two decades, I'm OK with it.

[SAGirl]

Can't disagree.

If it was the Knicks doing these moves, everyone would say, "Same old dumb disfunctional Knicks."

Having a 4 year contract break then having to pay much more per year for a 2 year deal

Giving up a franchise superstar and a starting 2 and $5 million and not even getting Anunoby back (compared to Presti holding out for SGA)

Trading away a player to free up the MLE then getting burned

Benching their only off-season acquisition forever before a single preseason game

Going into a season without a designated head coach in cases of ejection and just doing it by a whole group

Telling everyone that they're in win-now and compete mode with DDR and Gay and signing 32? Year old Carroll but refusing to draft NBA ready players in favor of a giant project

If it was the Knicks it would surprise nobody

These are just the moves we know of. We don't know any offers they rejected at different points for Kawhi and Lamarcus when they asked to be traded. We don't know what was offered this season by those who inquired about Jakob, Demar, even Rudy Gay.

Simply put, they have been too conservative and risk averse for a team that needs talent infusion. It would seem they are not looking hard enough for it, but perhaps they are and have just been bad judging talent.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah - it was justifiable. I think it was terrible planning to not make any moves in the off season to actually help winning, but to go into the season wanting to win was justifiable.

I also know that as long as there are changes, I don’t care if they are tomorrow or this summer. Makes no difference. Back when I wanted them to win (first week of the season) I wanted changes then to win now. But that ship has sailed.

However, the fact they committed to this team for 2 years is scary? Rudy on the books. LMA got his deal guaranteed for NO FREAKING REASON, Carroll on the books next year. Mills.

There is a lot of work to do and let’s hope they do the right thing vs just standing pat for yet another year. While it would not be the end of the world with a clean set of books following that, it would be 100% unjustifiable and signal that this front office has completely lost touch and has fallen way behind most of the league.

I really hope they just trade LMA and DDR tomorrow. I don't want to put it off to the offseason. I want the youth to have a half season of playing time. They need to find out if anything is worth building around. Sadly, Pop has never had to deal with this. He's had two decades of being successful one wa and its really obvious he has no idea how to do it otherwise. If he did, we wouldn't be dealing with Marco stealing minutes from the young guys. On one hand, I dont blame him all that much. Its tough to do things one way for 20 years, basically become the GOAT by doing it that way, then understand when you can't do that anymore. But the truth is that the old way isn't going to get things done and I really hope they understand that now.

[sasaint]

These are just the moves we know of. We don't know any offers they rejected at different points for Kawhi and Lamarcus when they asked to be traded. We don't know what was offered this season by those who inquired about Jakob, Demar, even Rudy Gay.

Simply put, they have been too conservative and risk averse for a team that needs talent infusion. It would seem they are not looking hard enough for it, but perhaps they are and have just been bad judging talent.

Hey, if you were so crappy at evaluating talent that you went out and signed a guy to $7MM/yr and then figured out you didn't want him to even suit up, you would be risk averse, too.

[DPG21920]

I really hope they just trade LMA and DDR tomorrow. I don't want to put it off to the offseason. I want the youth to have a half season of playing time. They need to find out if anything is worth building around. Sadly, Pop has never had to deal with this. He's had two decades of being successful one wa and its really obvious he has no idea how to do it otherwise. If he did, we wouldn't be dealing with Marco stealing minutes from the young guys. On one hand, I dont blame him all that much. Its tough to do things one way for 20 years, basically become the GOAT by doing it that way, then understand when you can't do that anymore. But the truth is that the old way isn't going to get things done and I really hope they understand that now.

I care more about winning trades than I do timeline. Yeah, 30 games of the youth would be great, but in terms of pecking order? Getting legit assets for LMA and DeRozan takes priority by a wide margin.

The Summer seems like the best chance for that scenario.

[MannyIsGod]

I mean not if Demar opts out. And honestly, everything about him points to him doing that.

[mo7888]

One thing to consider (especially with the atl trades)- cap space will be more valuable this summer because teams are spending their cap room now. This makes it more realistic for us to move salary for cap space now. We would be one of fewer destinations with the space to pay players or one of the few trade partners to use that cap space to acquire assets.

[SAGirl]

Hey, if you were so crappy at evaluating talent that you went out and signed a guy to $7MM/yr and then figured out you didn't want him to even suit up, you would be risk averse, too.
It has definitely crossed my mind that they end up on the losing side of any trade they do, and their lack of belief in their ability to improve the team has them avoiding any risk whatsoever. I have wondered not just about the loss of Sean Marks but in the past few years they have lost a lot of FO personnel that worked in different capacities, not that I recall names, just different mentions of people moving on elsewhere.

I know about your call for new FO to rebuild the team. I hope that is in the cards. I don't know what this GM can do for the team bc I have the suspicion he really isn't free to turn this ship around.

[DPG21920]

I mean not if Demar opts out. And honestly, everything about him points to him doing that.

Him opting out is the only way sa can up his trade value. As a one year rental his value is low because a team won’t give up assets for a guy that can just leave.

But a sign and trade? That is big. With how few teams have cap space (projected) right now, sign and trade absolutely seems like the best path for DeRozan to get paid.

But if he opts in, SA can still trade him, I just think it hurts his value some.

[sasaint]

It has definitely crossed my mind that they end up on the losing side of any trade they do, and their lack of belief in their ability to improve the team has them avoiding any risk whatsoever. I have wondered not just about the loss of Sean Marks but in the past few years they have lost a lot of FO personnel that worked in different capacities, not that I recall names, just different mentions of people moving on elsewhere.

I know about your call for new FO to rebuild the team. I hope that is in the cards. I don't know what this GM can do for the team bc I have the suspicion he really isn't free to turn this ship around.

Yeah, you recall that I wanted a new regime to handle the Number 2 situation. In truth, I have been down on PATFO since the LMA signing. I have been trying to stay the course, but this season has finally made my knees buckle. They can't evaluate FAs, and they don't do trades. Crazy bad.

[Payote75]

This is the 100th time I'm saying this but I just don't understand why the Spurs would be willing to risk having nothing for DD instead of taking what they can. Your telling me there are bidding wars for Morris or iggy and we can't get a decent return for DD? And even if we are low balled again what happens if we end up with squat when DD leaves. It just doesn't make sense. I almost understand with Lamarcus but why not get what you can. I'm just dumbfounded by pop and this front office actually annoyed beyond belief. Just effin get what you can. Even if you squeak into the playoffs what are you realistically going to do against the lakers?

[Ron Swanson]

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[DPG21920]

This is the 100th time I'm saying this but I just don't understand why the Spurs would be willing to risk having nothing for DD instead of taking what they can. Your telling me there are bidding wars for Morris or iggy and we can't get a decent return for DD? And even if we are low balled again what happens if we end up with squat when DD leaves. It just doesn't make sense. I almost understand with Lamarcus but why not get what you can. I'm just dumbfounded by pop and this front office actually annoyed beyond belief. Just effin get what you can. Even if you squeak into the playoffs what are you realistically going to do against the lakers?

I agree but I think when really evaluating the scenario SA losing him for nothing if they decide to move on from him is pretty slim.

They can trade him now at the deadline. If he opts in they can trade him in the Summer. If he opts out? Sign and trade may be DeRozan’s best chance at a big pay day with how few teams have cap space.

[gambit1990]

pretty surprised la hasn't asked out. i'd wanna gtfo out tbh. la needs to play alongside a long, athletic C. let la thrive... it's pretty sad to see him tap dancing out there on the court when trying to get to spots defensively.

[Collins21]

Yon't even know what trash is TBH. Soft.

I agree she's not a real fan she jumped ship when they didn't resign Kyle Anderson. I respect all opinions from Spurs fans but not her.

[gambit1990]

if spurs sent kawhi, danny, $5 million dollars for two years of demar, poeltl, and keldon johnson :lol

spurs need to get something for demar badly... it would be embarrassing if he walked this summer. and that's coming from someone who doesn't even want him on the spurs :lol

doesn't seem like he's getting moved so hopefully he opts in and gets traded or opts out and a S&T happens. demar is who he is. which is limited.

[gambit1990]

Philadlephia has acquired Golden State's Glenn Robinson and Alec Burks, league source tells ESPN. Philadelphia sending draft compensation to the Warriors.

Sixers are sending Warriors a 2020 second-round via Dallas, and a 2021 second-round pick via Denver, and 2022 second-round pick via Toronto, league source tells ESPN.

[gambit1990]

i thought okc would be the 6th seed but remembered okc lost to dallas when cp3 sat out after kobe died.

okc is just 1.5 games from the 4th seed. they own the tiebreaker against houston.

i was saying since the beginning of the season that they're better than their early record indicated.

[slick'81]

if spurs sent kawhi, danny, $5 million dollars for two years of demar, poeltl, and keldon johnson :lol

spurs need to get something for demar badly... it would be embarrassing if he walked this summer. and that's coming from someone who doesn't even want him on the spurs :lol

doesn't seem like he's getting moved so hopefully he opts in and gets traded or opts out and a S&T happens. demar is who he is. which is limited.


No doubt ! even if spurs rebuild in '21 it suck if all they were left with for derozan,lma and kawhi was poodle&kj

[gambit1990]

not sure if this was posted earlier, i'm just seeing it for the first time:

The San Antonio Spurs have explored trades centered on power forward LaMarcus Aldridge and shooting guard DeMar DeRozan, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

The Spurs have considered "liquidating everybody," but don't intend to just give away their two veterans, Wojnarowski indicated on an ESPN trade deadline special.

"They've asked for a lot from teams (for Aldridge and DeRozan)," Wojnarowski said.

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/spurs-lamarcus-aldridge-demar-derozan-nba-rumors

[DPG21920]

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[slick'81]

The Spurs, to no one’s surprise, are expected to keep their core together through the trade deadline. San Antonio almost never makes a significant move and there’s no indication that’s set to change.



Gross

[poopbox]

Hey, if you were so crappy at evaluating talent that you went out and signed a guy to $7MM/yr and then figured out you didn't want him to even suit up, you would be risk averse, too.

This guy know how to internet :lmao

[SAGirl]

I really hope they just trade LMA and DDR tomorrow. I don't want to put it off to the offseason. I want the youth to have a half season of playing time. They need to find out if anything is worth building around. Sadly, Pop has never had to deal with this. He's had two decades of being successful one wa and its really obvious he has no idea how to do it otherwise. If he did, we wouldn't be dealing with Marco stealing minutes from the young guys. On one hand, I dont blame him all that much. Its tough to do things one way for 20 years, basically become the GOAT by doing it that way, then understand when you can't do that anymore. But the truth is that the old way isn't going to get things done and I really hope they understand that now.
Isn’t that being fairweather? What you don’t like this season?

[spurspl]

thats game over ladies and gentlemen

[tbdog]

Any countdown for the deadline? I assume everyone's asleep and trades will be in talks again in the morning?

[Chillen]

I think Spurs could make a trade deadline move but DeMar and LMA are staying put till the NBA draft. They kind of have to do something to save face as this season isn't going well so far and the possibility of missing the playoffs is there.

Of course really I am expecting for nothing to happen with the Spurs and trades.

[tbdog]

Oh I expect LMA and DD to be there unless a team is going all in. I feel the only team that are in that situation that could use DD is the Nuggets. But they young enough not to be desperate.

But I expect a trade for gay, Carroll or Beli.

[EasyMoney]

They're going to stand pat. Buy out Carroll, waive belinelli. And continue to trot the same bad lineups for the remainder of the season while Bryn now progresses to 30 minutes a game to compensate for the loss of Marco. Lonnie continues to get yanked for making a mistake, dejounte and Derrick still split minutes at point guard. Rudy still garbage. Demar still putting up empty stats. And pop still closes games with Bryn and patty

[gambit1990]

schroder has been playing great this season. the dude has seven straight games of 20+ points off the bench. lakers have shown interest in him.

okc just has so many quality pieces that fit. very entertaining team. it actually turned out to be a great spot for cp3. he's on a team with three players averaging 19 points. he doesn't have to worry about exerting so much energy which is why he's been so incredible in the clutch this season.

okc could definitely get returns for their players but how many picks do they need? :lol

[gambit1990]

any contender who trades for cp3, i'd probably pick them to win it all.

if i'm the raps i'd do something like lowry, gasol, powell, vanvleet, 2020 1st round pick, 2020 2nd round pick, 2022 1st round pick for cp3, adams, and schroder.

[tbdog]

any contender who trades for cp3, i'd probably pick them to win it all.

if i'm the raps i'd do something like lowry, gasol, powell, vanvleet, 2020 1st round pick, 2020 2nd round pick, 2022 1st round pick for cp3, adams, and schroder.


Wait, no no. lol. At first I thought is this real but I just realised as a I typed my reply you were just being funny.

[szkorhetz]

any contender who trades for cp3, i'd probably pick them to win it all.

if i'm the raps i'd do something like lowry, gasol, powell, vanvleet, 2020 1st round pick, 2020 2nd round pick, 2022 1st round pick for cp3, adams, and schroder.
Fred is untouchable and Lowry is the heart of that team.

[gambit1990]

Fred is untouchable and Lowry is the heart of that team.
demar used to mean a lot to the raptors and look at what's happened since they've traded him.

[Prime BEEF]

This FO sucks so bad and is ripping the heart and motivation out of the fan base. I really don’t think they truly understand what doing nothing this trade deadline means.

[Dejounte]

So at 2pm it is over. Good

[jermaine]

Again... imma miss you guys if the Spurs don't make any moves. Its definitely gonna be goodbye for me.

[tbdog]

So at 2pm it is over. Good

GMs will start waking up in a few hours. More leaks come soon.

[Dejounte]

Again... imma miss you guys if the Spurs don't make any moves. Its definitely gonna be goodbye for me.

See ya man. Say hi to the wife and kids for me.

[jermaine]

See ya man. Say hi to the wife and kids for me.

Lmmfao... You sound like you know something I dont. Lol

[CGD]

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This is just such a lazy reporting and an overplayed take. I’m sure this went to print just before the Woj tweet. Ok, the spurs may not end up trading anyone, but it’s just lazy reporting to suggest they’re not even trying.

[Genovaswitness]

This is just such a lazy reporting and an overplayed take. I’m sure this went to print just before the Woj tweet. Ok, the spurs may not end up trading anyone, but it’s just lazy reporting to suggest they’re not even trying.

it's not lazy when it's the truth.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Not really new but - ORL is definitely one of teams that have talked to Spurs about DDR but was told talks have never advanced so far. The biggest issues being ORL desired compensation for Gordon, and DDR being able to opt out. Was told DDR's agent not willing to offer any verbal commitments. Orl wants a trade structure that protects them if DDR only there 30 games. The main players that would be involved aren't the issue but each side feeling they should be the one getting additional pick(s) /prospect(s). Add in Orlando's injury situation & he doesn't think anything happens (at least not a big trade with DDR)

I imagine Spurs have similar experiences with other teams have shown interest in DDR

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

you either do or you do not
there is no try

[TimDunkem]

Can't wait to see this forum meltdown when nothing happens yet again.

[MannyIsGod]

Isn’t that being fairweather? What you don’t like this season?

I never said you couldn't criticize them or not like something. You said you had to take a step back because your delicate and soft sensibilities were hurt because of the moves they'd made so you became a casual fan. You freely admitted being a shitty fan so I'm not sure why you care so much. You said I was a shitty poster, so I'm not sure why you're still here trying to desperately trying to win this internet argument.

You're a spoiled ass soft fan. Move on. You know, like you did from the Spurs.

[SAGirl]

I never said you couldn't criticize them or not like something. You said you had to take a step back because your delicate and soft sensibilities were hurt because of the moves they'd made so you became a casual fan. You freely admitted being a shitty fan so I'm not sure why you care so much. You said I was a shitty poster, so I'm not sure why you're still here trying to desperately trying to win this internet argument.

You're a spoiled ass soft fan. Move on. You know, like you did from the Spurs.

"oh you are critical so I don't like you, you are fairweather" off with you!
Rewriting stories now are you softie? You get edgy so quickly it would seem you are personally butthurt. :madrun

I will move on, from replying to you. tbqh.

[CGD]

Not really new but - ORL is definitely one of teams that have talked to Spurs about DDR but was told talks have never advanced so far. The biggest issues being ORL desired compensation for Gordon, and DDR being able to opt out. Was told DDR's agent not willing to offer any verbal commitments. Orl wants a trade structure that protects them if DDR only there 30 games. The main players that would be involved aren't the issue but each side feeling they should be the one getting additional pick(s) /prospect(s). Add in Orlando's injury situation & he doesn't think anything happens (at least not a big trade with DDR)

I imagine Spurs have similar experiences with other teams have shown interest in DDR

This makes sense.

I struggle to see who gives DDR that huge extension he wants if he opts out. Could be wrong, but the market my force him into opting-in and playing it out one more year. That’s a lot of money to pass up if you next long term deal starts at 15M

[mo7888]

Not really new but - ORL is definitely one of teams that have talked to Spurs about DDR but was told talks have never advanced so far. The biggest issues being ORL desired compensation for Gordon, and DDR being able to opt out. Was told DDR's agent not willing to offer any verbal commitments. Orl wants a trade structure that protects them if DDR only there 30 games. The main players that would be involved aren't the issue but each side feeling they should be the one getting additional pick(s) /prospect(s). Add in Orlando's injury situation & he doesn't think anything happens (at least not a big trade with DDR)

I imagine Spurs have similar experiences with other teams have shown interest in DDR

I think with this summer's cap space drying up that DDR will be forced into a S&T this summer and that timing makes more sense for the spurs and the Magic at this point.

LMA is the one we need to move now to extract peak value.

[SAGirl]

I think with this summer's cap space drying up that DDR will be forced into a S&T this summer and that timing makes more sense for the spurs and the Magic at this point.

LMA is the one we need to move now to extract peak value.
I do expect soemthing to happen with derozan this summer. S&T is a real possibility and perhaps the Spurs are counting on that.

[Prime BEEF]

Can't wait to see this forum meltdown when nothing happens yet again.
I don’t think you’ll see many meltdowns. Most know that the FO is extremely incompetent and clueless. I think most on here don’t expect to see any big moves. Obviously there are some exceptions that will be surprised.

I think once the FO provides another data point validating their stupidity at 2pm today, this place might become a ghost town. Spurs fans will lose interest and stop watching games on tv or attending them. Unfortunately, the same will probably happen to this site.

What really grinds my gears is that I’m already seeing a fan base transformation into that Cleveland Browns fan mentality. Meaning, they are super proud that they’ll still 100% blindly follow and support the team even in the face of absolute incompetence and a culture of losing. It’s like they are secretly happy about the team losing because it gives them the platform to show everyone how hardcore of a fan they are. All while not realizing they are part of the problem and their money allows the stupidity to continue.

I will always be a spurs fan and will not become a fan or by gear of another team. But I won’t spend as much time or money on the organization in the future as I have in the past. At least not until there’s some glimmer of optimism for the future. Life’s just too short.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This is just such a lazy reporting and an overplayed take. I’m sure this went to print just before the Woj tweet. Ok, the spurs may not end up trading anyone, but it’s just lazy reporting to suggest they’re not even trying.


Don't give up yet. It's never over until that final buzzer sounds. Like the other night against the Lakers. Pop could have drawn up a 30 point play and pulled it out at the last minute. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

I do expect soemthing to happen with derozan this summer.


DeRozan is going to spend the summer working on his midrange jumper. That's something.

[JeffDuncan]

DeRozan is going to spend the summer working on his midrange jumper. That's something.


All too true.

[TimDunkem]

I don’t think you’ll see many meltdowns. Most know that the FO is extremely incompetent and clueless. I think most on here don’t expect to see any big moves. Obviously there are some exceptions that will be surprised.

I think once the FO provides another data point validating their stupidity at 2pm today, this place might become a ghost town. Spurs fans will lose interest and stop watching games on tv or attending them. Unfortunately, the same will probably happen to this site.

What really grinds my gears is that I’m already seeing a fan base transformation into that Cleveland Browns fan mentality. Meaning, they are super proud that they’ll still 100% blindly follow and support the team even in the face of absolute incompetence and a culture of losing. It’s like they are secretly happy about the team losing because it gives them the platform to show everyone how hardcore of a fan they are. All while not realizing they are part of the problem and their money allows the stupidity to continue.

I will always be a spurs fan and will not become a fan or by gear of another team. But I won’t spend as much time or money on the organization in the future as I have in the past. At least not until there’s some glimmer of optimism for the future. Life’s just too short.

I mean, that's what people say...but you'll see plenty of angry emojis in this thread when 2pm hits. :lol

And, yeah, I've been saying the rest for a few years now. This team's fanbase is fine with becoming the Phoenix Suns, or Dallas Cowboys. The Jeff McCuckold "let someone else have a chance" and Poop's "none of this matters" mentality is becoming a toxic mix around here.

[Prime BEEF]

I do expect soemthing to happen with derozan this summer. S&T is a real possibility and perhaps the Spurs are counting on that.
What is his incentive to do a s/t with us? He’s free to negotiate his own contract with other teams. I don’t expect a s/t at all. When he isn’t traded today, we will lose him for nothing. I also think we don’t match offers for Poetl. So we basically traded Kawhitter and DG for KJ lol.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

What is his incentive to do a s/t with us? He’s free to negotiate his own contract with other teams. I don’t expect a s/t at all. When he isn’t traded today, we will lose him for nothing. I also think we don’t match offers for Poetl. So we basically traded Kawhitter and DG for KJ lol.

At least some of the teams that would have interest in DDR will lack the capspace to pay him without S&T. Almost always in a S&T scenario the incentive for the player is making thee most possible $ and allows the player to go to team they desire.

With that said, you do have a point, there is risk of DDR finding a team that he likes that is willing to pay him & has no need/interest in a S&T.

[Ron Swanson]

Can't wait to see this forum meltdown when nothing happens yet again.

Wouldn’t be different from any other day.

[spurspl]

derozan lma will be gone for nothing, no top picks in this yr draft, no star FAs will come here, who the fuck spurs wanna play in next years??? just good luck spurs... pop and the rest management just ruined this team for next decade. Peace!

[Chinook]

Bye

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/1225460308862545928

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1225460940390457349

[Dverde]

Any reasonable FO would be trying to trade LMA. His production is about to fall off a cliff. He has one more year on his deal. By the time our younger players (hopefully) get better, LMA will be washed.

[Genovaswitness]

https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/1225460308862545928

bolden is an aussie....

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1225461390850351104

[cd98]

Any reasonable FO would be trying to trade LMA. His production is about to fall off a cliff. He has one more year on his deal. By the time our younger players (hopefully) get better, LMA will be washed.

I think it's kind of nonsense. He is a great shooting big, which has value and he still plays pretty good defense. He'll have a spot in the league for several more years. It's just the teams that could really use him don't have the assets to get him.

[Dverde]

I think it's kind of nonsense. He is a great shooting big, which has value and he still plays pretty good defense. He'll have a spot in the league for several more years. It's just the teams that could really use him don't have the assets to get him.

Miami and Portland has the assets to get him. I’m guess Spurs shut it down with ridiculous demands

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think it's kind of nonsense. He is a great shooting big, which has value and he still plays pretty good defense. He'll have a spot in the league for several more years. It's just the teams that could really use him don't have the assets to get him.

Boston do, but they won't send their picks again and will lose in the 2nd round again. Ainge likes sitting on his assets until they're totally undervalued.

[NASpurs]

I’m sure this has been posted but here you go in case you missed it


https://youtu.be/fiQAEF3WdYQ

[mo7888]

With Gallo out of the Miami Memphis deal maybe Miami will turn their attention to the spurs..... fingers crossed

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1225463122271645703

[SAGirl]

Don't give up yet. It's never over until that final buzzer sounds. Like the other night against the Lakers. Pop could have drawn up a 30 point play and pulled it out at the last minute. :lol


DeRozan is going to spend the summer working on his midrange jumper. That's something.

I do enjoy your sense of humor Zeus.

Some humor helps.

Things can change at some point. I keep extending their chances, like is it this trade deadline? No. Perhaps the summer? I still hold out some hope for the summer. Maybe I shouldn't. :cry;) It only gets worse b4 it gets better and they maybe have not hit rock bottom yet, not yet.

[Prime BEEF]

Will be completely shocked if the spurs make any big moves. Hell, the FO is so incompetent that I don’t think they can even move small contracts like Carroll and Gay

[Ron Swanson]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1225463122271645703

Don’t eat any gummies before the flight to Memphis.

[NASpurs]

The Spurs don't have a single untradable contract on this team. What are you talking about?

I’ve never said they were untreadeable. I’m just questioning the narrative on this board that those bad contracts become trade assets but what ultimately happens is nothing and they just expire.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I’ll be surprised if they don’t find a way to move Carroll other than that I’m confident that will be the one and only
move. People need to lower their expectations on this FO. Same squad will be getting bent over a rail tonight in Portland.

[RC_Drunkford]

Is it me or did the Grizzlies just get worse? They might not continue winning like they did, even though they can easily replace those 2 players. Winslow should still be out for some time and who knows how Waiters plays for them. Of course that's even more of a reason for the Spurs to not do anything

[szkorhetz]

Is it me or did the Grizzlies just get worse? They might not continue winning like they did, even though they can easily replace those 2 players. Winslow should still be out for some time and who knows how Waiters plays for them. Of course that's even more of a reason for the Spurs to not do anything
JJ to memphis

[Genovaswitness]

not a goddamn thing is gonna happen. pop is going to continue to coach this garbo team with a shit eating BIGGER THAN BASKETBALL grin

[EasyMoney]

Memphis attempting to improve their depth and San Antonio hasn't done anything.

[spurspl]

miami won this trade deadline, what a team, easy ECF

[SAGirl]

What is his incentive to do a s/t with us? He’s free to negotiate his own contract with other teams. I don’t expect a s/t at all. When he isn’t traded today, we will lose him for nothing. I also think we don’t match offers for Poetl. So we basically traded Kawhitter and DG for KJ lol.

The Spurs are taking a risk there and not for the right reasons, but I will attempt to articulate what I thought. I read somewhere that part of the holdup with a trade to Orlando was that DeRozan wants to test FA and isn't willing to commit beyond this year. He wasn't willing to sign an extension. That obviously deflates his value for Orlando and he ain't no Kawhi Leonard.

There is a real possibility he just leaves next summer and already has a team or teams in mind. But the Spurs gambled that taking that risk is better than just trading him away for nothing (no picks coming back for him bc no one is giving up a 1st round pick for a couple of months of DeRozan and only bad contracts coming back, with bad contracts probably being worse than nothing). There is a chance the Spurs end up with 0 in exchange for DeRozan but a blank slate to start over and they finally have to pivot towards a rebuild bc there is no choice. The other chance is that a team DeRozan wants to go to can only offer him what he wants through a S/T and the Spurs can help him make that happen and get something in return that is worth it for them.

I have already expressed elsewhere that this is not a path I liked or would have chosen but this is where they are. This summer they finally have to pick a lane, maybe the lane is forced upon them... but I wouldn't expect standing pat. Does that make sense?

[TimDunkem]

Heat getting Crowder, Iggy, and possibly Gallo...Damn.

[Robz4000]

Is it me or did the Grizzlies just get worse? They might not continue winning like they did, even though they can easily replace those 2 players. Winslow should still be out for some time and who knows how Waiters plays for them. Of course that's even more of a reason for the Spurs to not do anything

They added another first round pick to go with their own stockpile of picks. Even if Winslow falls off a cliff they basically turned Crowder into two first round picks.

[Genovaswitness]

They added another first round pick to go with their own stockpile of picks. Even if Winslow falls off a cliff they basically turned Crowder into two first round picks.

meanwhile carroll is rotting on our bench :lmao

way to go poop :tosat

[Prime BEEF]

The Spurs are taking a risk there and not for the right reasons, but I will attempt to articulate what I thought. I read somewhere that part of the holdup with a trade to Orlando was that DeRozan wants to test FA and isn't willing to commit beyond this year. He wasn't willing to sign an extension. That obviously deflates his value for Orlando and he ain't no Kawhi Leonard.

There is a real possibility he just leaves next summer and already has a team or teams in mind. But the Spurs gambled that taking that risk is better than just trading him away for nothing (no picks coming back for him bc no one is giving up a 1st round pick for a couple of months of DeRozan and only bad contracts coming back, with bad contracts probably being worse than nothing). There is a chance the Spurs end up with 0 in exchange for DeRozan but a blank slate to start over and they finally have to pivot towards a rebuild bc there is no choice. The other chance is that a team DeRozan wants to go to can only offer him what he wants through a S/T and the Spurs can help him make that happen and get something in return that is worth it for them.

I have already expressed elsewhere that this is not a path I liked or would have chosen but this is where they are. This summer they finally have to pick a lane, maybe the lane is forced upon them... but I wouldn't expect standing pat. Does that make sense?
Yes thank you

[sasaint]

What is his incentive to do a s/t with us? He’s free to negotiate his own contract with other teams. I don’t expect a s/t at all. When he isn’t traded today, we will lose him for nothing. I also think we don’t match offers for Poetl. So we basically traded Kawhitter and DG for KJ lol.

Yep. That's exactly what I see happening.

[RC_Drunkford]

They added another first round pick to go with their own stockpile of picks. Even if Winslow falls off a cliff they basically turned Crowder into two first round picks.

they been making smart moves, but I expect them to lose more games from here on now. They are still in rebuild move and obviously don't value the 8th seed as much as Flopovich does

[TimDunkem]

Is it me or did the Grizzlies just get worse? They might not continue winning like they did, even though they can easily replace those 2 players. Winslow should still be out for some time and who knows how Waiters plays for them. Of course that's even more of a reason for the Spurs to not do anything

Not really. Crowder is replaceable. Waiters has shown signs of life too. If anything it's a wash personnel wise. The picks are where they won.

[sasaint]

derozan lma will be gone for nothing, no top picks in this yr draft, no star FAs will come here, who the fuck spurs wanna play in next years??? just good luck spurs... pop and the rest management just ruined this team for next decade. Peace!

Actually PATFO ruined the team some time back. When they didn't move LMA and Dumbmar before LAST season to maximize value, the current end-game was set up.

[exstatic]

Iggy has a better reputation than Gay.

I don't think Gay ever tipped off plays in the playoffs, and then went to the team that beat his team. Word is that Iggy, while with Denver, did exactly that for GS, and then signed there.

[sasaint]

I will be mildly surprised if PATFO doesn't move Carroll even if it is only for a top 59 protected pick.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225474159427379206

[RC_Drunkford]

Not really. Crowder is replaceable. Waiters has shown signs of life too. If anything it's a wash personnel wise. The picks are where they won.

yeah but you gotta factor in that they need to learn how to play together. Obviously they can just start Clarke or Fathead in place of Crowder, but I still expect them to decline a little

[exstatic]

Ah yes, the Grizzlies and their long history of great front office success leading to monster on the court success. The Spurs should definitely wish they were the Grizzlies.

The Griz have had a good year of moves, but some of you seriously act like the Spurs haven't been the best franchise for 2 decades. There's plenty to complain about, but come the fuck on.

3 decades, minus one year of missing the playoffs.

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225474159427379206

Damn, can we trade Forbes for $$$?

[loveforthegame]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225474159427379206

Like that kid. Hope he sticks in Atlanta (who are making some boss moves). Clippers are clearly making another move soon.

[sasaint]

Damn, can we trade Forbes for $$$?

The only untouchable Spur.

[duncan2k5]

Our FO is overrated if they don't see the importance of trading either LMA or DDR

[TimDunkem]

yeah but you gotta factor in that they need to learn how to play together. Obviously they can just start Clarke or Fathead in place of Crowder, but I still expect them to decline a little

They're better than the teams behind them so they should be fine.

[emanueldavidginobili]

San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png?w=80&h=80&transparent=trueWhat to watch: The uncertain future of the roster
If there is going to be a shakeup in San Antonio, head of basketball operations RC Buford will need to do something he is unaccustomed to: make a trade during the regular season.
The 9-14 Spurs have questions surrounding possible free agent DeMar DeRozan ($27.7 million player option), former All-Star LaMarcus Aldridge, three rotation players with salaries extending into 2020-21 (Rudy Gay (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3005/rudy-gay) $14.5 million, Patty Mills (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills) $12.4 million and DeMarre Carroll (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3970/demarre-carroll) $6.7 million), expiring contracts (Marco Belinelli (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3190/marco-belinelli) $5.8 million, Bryn Forbes (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2994526/bryn-forbes) $2.9 million and Jakob Poetl $3.8 million) and a young core of four former first-round picks.
The big question will be what to do with DeRozan. He will be one of the top free agents in 2020 if he does not opt in. However, unless Atlanta, Charlotte, Cleveland or Memphis is willing to pay up, the market for the former All-Star could be dry. As one league executive told ESPN, "I like DeRozan as my third option, and those type of players are not earning near max-type money."
The Spurs can elect to do nothing and let the market dictate DeRozan's next deal (if he opts out). However, if DeRozan walks for nothing, San Antonio will be over the cap and unable to replace him in free agency.
Front-office deadline history: The last time San Antonio made a trade during the regular season was February 2014, when Austin Daye was acquired for Nando De Colo. Since 2012, San Antonio has made only seven trades overall.
Restrictions/notes


San Antonio is $13.1 million below the hard cap.
LaMarcus Aldridge has a 15% trade bonus.
Dejounte Murray (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray) has a poison pill restriction. For outgoing salary, Murray will count as $2.3 million, but his incoming salary for an acquiring team will be $13.3 million.
Davis Bertans (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans) cannot be reacquired.

[RC_Drunkford]

Damn, can we trade Forbes for $$$?

Flopovich wants 2 1st-round draft picks for Forbesovich

[Dejounte]

Aldridge is not being traded with that trade bonus. Only DeMar has any hope of being traded

[RC_Drunkford]

ATL and Memphis are out. Hornets, Cavs and Knicks will be the only teams that can offer DeRozan max money

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Spurs don't have a single untradable contract on this team. What are you talking about?

I’ve never said they were untreadeable. I’m just questioning the narrative on this board that those bad contracts become trade assets but what ultimately happens is nothing and they just expire.


No contract is untradeable. If you throw in enough value to sweeten the deal, somebody will take it off your hands. But if you would have to throw in so much that dumping the contract would do more damage than keeping it, you might as well call it untradeable. There were a lot of articles listing DeRozan's contract as one of the worst in the league. (Pretty simple Google search if you doubt it.) Now potential buyers are staring down his player option next year, which could leave the acquiring team hanging. That's a pretty tough contract to move for value. The Spurs tried to move Aldridge last year, and couldn't get any takers - at least none willing to pay the price. When nobody will give a price that would make the deal acceptable, that's pretty much untradeable.

This team is beyond the point where any minor tweaks are going to help. So giving up value to acquire a specific piece would be self-defeating. They have to be looking to future and fit. And they're about three years too late doing it.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs could easily move Aldridge if they didn't fully guarantee his contract. 7 million guaranteed would've been super tradeable, but of course these idiots had to fuck that up too

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1225478557343866881

[spurspl]

Actually PATFO ruined the team some time back. When they didn't move LMA and Dumbmar before LAST season to maximize value, the current end-game was set up.

actually they ruined spurs when decided to refuse lakers deal for kawhi and took ddr.

i said that months ago that it would end like this and everyone was laughing at me...whos laughing now?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225480358860333056

[Dverde]

Aldridge is not being traded with that trade bonus. Only DeMar has any hope of being traded

He can waive it like Anthony Davis did.

[sasaint]

actually they ruined spurs when decided to refuse lakers deal for kawhi and took ddr.

I wasn't saying the team was ruined when they didn't trade LMA and Dumbmar before last season. That was just what set up the current end-game. I think the beginning of the end goes back to signing LMA.

[JADG79]

Nobody wants to deals with Spurs. They always wants to buy low and sell high.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225480358860333056

What ! Robbery for Minnesota

[sasaint]

He can waive it like Anthony Davis did.


Of course I don't know, but I am surprised that all 3 of our vets didn't request trades. Maybe they did, and the Spurs just managed to keep it quiet.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Depends on the pick protections obviously, but a good deal for Minnesotta. Wiggins was never going to work there and this move will supposedly make KAT happy ( for another year probably ).

[TimDunkem]

GS nabbing picks. They don't even need to rebuild and yet they're already better prepared for the future than the Spurs. Shit FO here in SA...

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225480358860333056

where it the idiot that said Dubs wouldn't take Wiggins :lmao :lmao

[NASpurs]

Why aren’t the fish biting the bait we’re casting? Right, you can’t use shit as bait.

[BWS-1994]

2 hours left. Not even smoke coming out...

[BWS-1994]

Depends on the pick protections obviously, but a good deal for Minnesotta. Wiggins was never going to work there and this move will supposedly make KAT happy ( for another year probably ).

Yep. But It’ll be harder to get Booker to complete their fantasy trio.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Aldridge is not being traded with that trade bonus. Only DeMar has any hope of being traded



Aldridge's trade kicker is a bitch. Right now, it would be about $5.1M and it would get paid by the Spurs. Aldridge's current salary of $24M would get used for matching purposes, but his new salary including the kicker is what would count against the acquiring team's cap.

There's a reason I keep talking about finding ways to dump him, just to clear the cap space. Paul Milsap is injured, probably for the rest of the year, and is expiring. The Spurs could trade Aldridge for Milsap, getting virtually nothing in return, but clearing Aldridge's $24M in cap space next year. Denver would actually benefit from having Aldridge on the roster instead of Milsap, and the Spurs could start building their future.

[Chomag]

I love my Spurs but yes the FO is very over rated

[spurspl]

where it the idiot that said Dubs wouldn't take Wiggins :lmao :lmao

all idiots are now quite bc they are surprised how bad spurs are.

[Chinook]

Warriors traded Russell for negative value. Wonder if they have another trade to get rid of Wiggins given how many roster spots they've seemed to being clearing.

[RC_Drunkford]

Aldridge's trade kicker is a bitch. Right now, it would be about $5.1M and it would get paid by the Spurs. Aldridge's current salary of $24M would get used for matching purposes, but his new salary including the kicker is what would count against the acquiring team's cap.

There's a reason I keep talking about finding ways to dump him, just to clear the cap space. Paul Milsap is injured, probably for the rest of the year, and is expiring. The Spurs could trade Aldridge for Milsap, getting virtually nothing in return, but clearing Aldridge's $24M in cap space next year. Denver would actually benefit from having Aldridge on the roster instead of Milsap, and the Spurs could start building their future.

if they wanted to move Aldridge they would've not guaranteed his salary. 7 million guaranteed would've made it very easy to package him

[RC_Drunkford]

Rockets traded Jordan Bell to Memphis for Bruno Caboclo. WTF? They hate all the bigs :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Spurs could easily move Aldridge if they didn't fully guarantee his contract. 7 million guaranteed would've been super tradeable, but of course these idiots had to fuck that up too

Full guaranted PLUS a 15% trade kicker.




GS nabbing picks. They don't even need to rebuild and yet they're already better prepared for the future than the Spurs. Shit FO here in SA...


Also managing the timing of their contracts. It's almost like they are being run better than the Spurs. But that can't be true... sniff, sniff.

[DPG21920]

Depends on the pick protections obviously, but a good deal for Minnesotta. Wiggins was never going to work there and this move will supposedly make KAT happy ( for another year probably ).

Only top 3 protected for one year wow! GS did great.

[FkLA]

Just trade Forms and Belli for a shit bag and call it a day. Not ideal but I'd at least be ok with that.

[DPG21920]

Warriors traded Russell for negative value. Wonder if they have another trade to get rid of Wiggins given how many roster spots they've seemed to being clearing.

Top 10 pick? Any contract is tradeable now and they will have #1 and likely a top 10 pick too for using their cap space. With an off chance Wiggins is better than he was when surrounded by good team.

But yeah, Wiggins is a gamble but getting basically an unprotected pick from a bad team?

[DC23]

As it presently stands PJ Tucker will guard Anthony Davis and Westbrook will guard McGee.

[ZeusWillJudge]

if they wanted to move Aldridge they would've not guaranteed his salary. 7 million guaranteed would've made it very easy to package him


Too late to do anything about that. Now you make the best of the present situation.

Get the man's salary off the books, and start grooming the young prospects. Hopefully the cap space allows them to facilitate a deal in the offseason and get another pick and/or a player who fits the plan.

I'm sure they must have a plan... right?

[sasaint]

What ! Robbery for Minnesota

Yep. Another FO doing its job. I like Omari Spellman, too. Nice move for Minny.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Just trade Forms and Belli for a shit bag and call it a day. Not ideal but I'd at least be ok with that.

Just getting them off the team would force Pop to play the better line ups. So it won't happen

[Dejounte]

Too late to do anything about that. Now you make the best of the present situation.

Get the man's salary off the books, and start grooming the young prospects. Hopefully the cap space allows them to facilitate a deal in the offseason and get another pick and/or a player who fits the plan.

I'm sure they must have a plan... right?

The plan is to test if continuity will beat trade aggression ...even in times where the current state of the Spurs sucks, I guess

[mo7888]

Why aren’t the fish biting the bait we’re casting? Right, you can’t use shit as bait.

You have to cast first....our fishing rod is still in the truck...(actually its probably lodged in Forbes but you get the idea)

[spurspl]

Too late to do anything about that. Now you make the best of the present situation.

Get the man's salary off the books, and start grooming the young prospects. Hopefully the cap space allows them to facilitate a deal in the offseason and get another pick and/or a player who fits the plan.

I'm sure they must have a plan... right?

their plan is to make djm an all star who can bring spurs to the finals :lmao:lmao

[exstatic]

FYI, second rounders in 2022 will almost be like first rounders in most drafts. That's the year when they'll let the HS kids back into the draft, and with the previous years one and dones, it will be a DEEP draft. I saw one or two of them in a couple of the trades that went down.

[mo7888]

Top 10 pick? Any contract is tradeable now and they will have #1 and likely a top 10 pick too for using their cap space. With an off chance Wiggins is better than he was when surrounded by good team.

But yeah, Wiggins is a gamble but getting basically an unprotected pick from a bad team?

Minny pick is 2021....

[sasaint]

I love my Spurs but yes the FO is very over rated

"Over-rated" is not what I would say. "Exposed" seems more appropriate.

[szkorhetz]

Minny trading away all their wings

[DPG21920]

Minny pick is 2021....

I know. Are we really expecting that swapping DLO for Wiggins alone is going to change them all that much? Def could but not some lock in my eyes and no margin for error (injuries)

[TimDunkem]

Minny pick is 2021....

So they have a high draft pick this year and the next? Not bad.

[DPG21920]

To me, still being able to have Curry Klay and Dray while also possessing the #1 pick (most likely) and another lottery pick in the future outweighs taking on a bad deal

[mo7888]

I know. Are we really expecting that swapping DLO for Wiggins alone is going to change them all that much? Def could but not some lock in my eyes and no margin for error (injuries)

It gives Minnesota (with a new wheeling and dealing gm) a chance to really improve....that said, I really like the trade for both teams.

[mo7888]

To me, still being able to have Curry Klay and Dray while also possessing the #1 pick (most likely) and another lottery pick in the future outweighs taking on a bad deal

I don't think Wighins will be a bad deal for them. I expect him to be a much better player playing next to Klay and steph.

[TimDunkem]

To me, still being able to have Curry Klay and Dray while also possessing the #1 pick (most likely) and another lottery pick in the future outweighs taking on a bad deal

For sure. They were never keeping Russell anyway

[sasaint]

I don't think Wighins will be a bad deal for them. I expect him to be a much better player playing next to Klay and steph.

Yep. Who wouldn't be?

[BWS-1994]

So they have a high draft pick this year and the next? Not bad.

And their trio will be back.

When will Wiggin’s contract expire?

[szkorhetz]

Barring injuries, GSW are my early 2021 favourites

[Dejounte]

So Marcus Morris gets paid and goes to a contender. Theres no justice in the world ..

[DPG21920]

And their trio will be back.

When will Wiggin’s contract expire?

3 more years at 30M after this season

[emanueldavidginobili]

Wiggins will flourish in GS compared to Minny. Playing along side Steph and Klay do wonders.

[FkLA]

MEM was a treadmill team for a long time. They were content being an 8th seed or second round fodder for a long time with their Gasol/Conley/Randolph core. It's inaccurate to say they quickly moved on from that grit and grind era. They didn't move on quickly. I don't see what the point of fabricating things to put down PATFO is. There's plenty of things to criticize (rotations and favoritism mainly) without making shit up.

[KobesAchilles]

So Marcus Morris gets paid and goes to a contender. Theres no justice in the world ..
Link?

[Thomas82]

They're going to stand pat. Buy out Carroll, waive belinelli. And continue to trot the same bad lineups for the remainder of the season while Bryn now progresses to 30 minutes a game to compensate for the loss of Marco. Lonnie continues to get yanked for making a mistake, dejounte and Derrick still split minutes at point guard. Rudy still garbage. Demar still putting up empty stats. And pop still closes games with Bryn and patty

That sounds like what will most likely happen.

[ZeusWillJudge]

if they wanted to move Aldridge they would've not guaranteed his salary. 7 million guaranteed would've made it very easy to package him


I get it. We're all sitting here talking about what the Spurs OUGHT to do, knowing they aren't going to do any of it.

I said what I said. When the Spurs are still in cap hell in the '21 offseason, failing to dump Aldridge will be part of the reason why.

[DavidTheGoliath]

So Marcus Morris gets paid and goes to a contender. Theres no justice in the world ..

More to do with the knicks being dumb than anything else. We can hope marcus turns into a locker room cancer and destroy team chemistry.

[FlAVaK]

Link?

Shams says clippers are in serious talks with knicks

[Russ]

To me, still being able to have Curry Klay and Dray while also possessing the #1 pick (most likely) and another lottery pick in the future outweighs taking on a bad deal

Golden State showed why they're Golden Sate and Minny showed why they're Minny.

[Joseph Kony]

Morris deal isnt official yet. LMAO @ the Knicks if they trade the one decent player on their roster that actually wants to be in NY to LAC for scrubs/cash :lmao :lmao now that is an inept front office

[DPG21920]

MEM was a treadmill team for a long time. They were content being an 8th seed or second round fodder for a long time with their Gasol/Conley/Randolph core. It's inaccurate to say they quickly moved on from that grit and grind era. They didn't move on quickly. I don't see what the point of fabricating things to put down PATFO is. There's plenty of things to criticize (rotations and favoritism mainly) without making shit up.

Wrong. Treadmill team is a team that is .500 or worse and far from certain a playoff team. MEM was winning 46-50+ games and made WCF and Semis 2x.

Yeah for Sa that’s unacceptable but when you don’t have a Duncan? Not bad at all.

MEM shouldn’t have been quick to move on. But they made the call when the time was right. Will SAa?

[Clipper Nation]

Morris deal isnt official yet. LMAO @ the Knicks if they trade the one decent player on their roster that actually wants to be in NY to LAC for scrubs/cash :lmao :lmao now that is an inept front office
Kabengele is actually a nice prospect. Really sucks that Jerome Robinson turned out to be a bust, otherwise he'd probably be in the deal instead of Mann and Fi.

[DPG21920]

Golden State showed why they're Golden Sate and Minny showed why they're Minny.

I mean it’s good for Minny too. Wiggins isn’t good and as of now it’s a bad deal. DLO is better on a better deal and fits well. Plus they can’t lose KAT and this helps.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The plan is to test if continuity will beat trade aggression ...even in times where the current state of the Spurs sucks, I guess


I like that. Focus on continuity, when you're a sub-.500 team. Now that is really out of the box thinking. :lol

[emanueldavidginobili]

1225489218270613505

Two 1st my god.

[sasaint]

1225489218270613505

Two 1st my god.

They won't get that for a UFA, but still...

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225480358860333056
GSW stealing the one year tank a thon and gathering assets like ZeusWillJudge suggested the Spurs do for a quick turn around a couple of years back.

[Dejounte]

YES THE SPURS MADE A TRADE!!! CELEBRATION TIME

[FlAVaK]

Harkless for Morris now in talks per Shams

[NASpurs]

GSW stealing the one year tank a thon and gathering assets like ZeusWillJudge (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54031) suggested the Spurs do for a quick turn around a couple of years back.

:cry "but the streak! How dare you call yourself a fan! "