NBA Trade Deadline 2020

[ZeusWillJudge]

Sure, but if you can do it now? I would. Especially if you can still get the first round pick out of it in the other deal.


I'm all over the first round pick. But I would just love to see Keldon and Spoon get brought up and put in the grinder. It would make them better for next season. You know... if Pop would actually give them floor time. How come everything I think of comes back to that old bastard?

[DPG21920]

DeRozan trade - 3 Teamer. Kings, Miami and SA.

MIA Gets: DeRozan + Dedmon
Kings Get: Winslow + Olynyk
SA Gets: Dragic + Bogdanovic + SAC 1st

SA clears DeRozan off the books for sure (coupled with moving LMA and Mills in the other deals, it’s a full on salary cap reset). They get another 1st round pick (so SA would have their own, one from SAC and one from POR) which is great for rebuilding. They also get a look at a player they might want to keep with their young core in Bogdanovic. SA could also flip Dragic maybe to a contender for something but even if not, Dragic, Whiteside & Ariza are all off the books next year for nothing or a very small amount.

Miami gets Jimmy’s good friend and some more star power for the East. They get Dedmon who is a good fit for them as a stretch 5.

SAC gets to dump Dedmon which they want, get a solid young wing for their core in Winslow and a useful stretch 4 in Olynyk but for dumping Dedmon and getting Winslow they have to give up a pick.

[DPG21920]

I'm all over the first round pick. But I would just love to see Keldon and Spoon get brought up and put in the grinder. It would make them better for next season. You know... if Pop would actually give them floor time. How come everything I think of comes back to that old bastard?


:lol Part of trading Mills and Beli means it opens up that time. You can flip Ariza for a pick maybe (2nd round) and free up the roster spot or just buy him out if you want Keldon/Spoon here now.

[mo7888]

Sure, but if you can do it now? I would. Especially if you can still get the first round pick out of it in the other deal.

If I had to donit to get the 1st...ok... but I wouldn't trade patty for Ariza unless it was necessary to make the rest of the deal happen. Moving belli, ddr, and forbes opens up plenty of minutes for Lonnie and even KJ going down the stretch and patty would be a calming influence (and it isn't like he's impactful enough to keep us from getting a higher draft pick as we lose games). We need some veteran presence in the backcourt and preferably someone who's been in the system.

[DPG21920]

Shit... I nee to pay more attention to what I'm writing. I looked at the first round pick and thought "they won't do that", and wrote it off. And Collins is injured and MIGHT be back in March. It sort of reminded me of Patty's shoulder injury, and we know how long it too him to get back to anything near what he was. Still, it's your hypothetical and if you want to throw in a first, I'm all for it.

Here's the first article I ran across. I don't know who the hell Luke Adams is, but he agrees with me so I thin he's right. :D
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/four-common-misconceptions-about-nba-trades.html

And a bonus, since we're starting to get use to the idea of plotting next season. Start watching Spencer Jones at Stanford. He's young, but he checks a lot of boxes. Last year this time I had been watching two guys that nobody was talking about going higher than the Spurs' pick (De'Andre Hunter and Chum Okeke) plus one that people thought might go undrafted (Thybulle). I think Spencer Jones might be another one of those guys who hits a lot of radars before it's over, but the Spurs could have a pick high enough even if that happens.

Interesting - I don’t know if he’s right and I can’t remember ever seeing that in practice. But that is interesting. Chinook, thoughts on this piece of the CBA?

I don’t start watching college until the tournament. I hate college basketball lol

[DPG21920]

If I had to donit to get the 1st...ok... but I wouldn't trade patty for Ariza unless it was necessary to make the rest of the deal happen. Moving belli, ddr, and forbes opens up plenty of minutes for Lonnie and even KJ going down the stretch and patty would be a calming influence (and it isn't like he's impactful enough to keep us from getting a higher draft pick as we lose games). We need some veteran presence in the backcourt and preferably someone who's been in the system.

I can see that - I just think that if SA is going full reboot (moving DDR too) then trading Mills now while you can may be the best bet. But yeah, there is no rush to move Mills (can be done in the off season) and that deal has no bearing (IMO) on the other from POR perspective. It would be SA pushing for that as part of the compensation for trading LMA (so not just getting Zach and 1st but losing Mills salary)

[mo7888]

DeRozan trade - 3 Teamer. Kings, Miami and SA.

MIA Gets: DeRozan + Dedmon
Kings Get: Winslow + Olynyk
SA Gets: Dragic + Bogdanovic + SAC 1st

SA clears DeRozan off the books for sure (coupled with moving LMA and Mills in the other deals, it’s a full on salary cap reset). They get another 1st round pick (so SA would have their own, one from SAC and one from POR) which is great for rebuilding. They also get a look at a player they might want to keep with their young core in Bogdanovic. SA could also flip Dragic maybe to a contender for something but even if not, Dragic, Whiteside & Ariza are all off the books next year for nothing or a very small amount.

Miami gets Jimmy’s good friend and some more star power for the East. They get Dedmon who is a good fit for them as a stretch 5.

SAC gets to dump Dedmon which they want, get a solid young wing for their core in Winslow and a useful stretch 4 in Olynyk but for dumping Dedmon and getting Winslow they have to give up a pick.

Ok, if we're getting Dragic back in the DDR trade I'm good with the mills-Ariza trade. We still have a veteran backcourt presence and can get lonnie and KJ minutes..maybe even get Q some burn...

[jermaine]

If anyone is sitting around waiting for Mills to be traded, DONT. The Spurs arent that kinda organization. They'll let him walk like Tony did, but they arent trading him. Seriously

[DPG21920]

If anyone is sitting around waiting for Mills to be traded, DONT. The Spurs arent that kinda organization. They'll let him walk like Tony did, but they arent trading him. Seriously

Probably agree, but IF they were going to because they wanted a full salary reset, sending him to a great organization that both he and LMA played with and enjoyed would be the exact type of trade that would happen.

[Strategic]

Wonder what chances are for the Spurs not winning another game before trade deadline but still not making a move.

[DPG21920]

So net if these scenarios happen for SA:

2 additional first round picks to pair with their own
LMA, DDR, Mills money off the books next season (so significant cap space)
Looks at 2 decent “young” prospects that fit our current youth timeline in Zach Collins and Bogdanovic

Possibility for even more if they can flip Ariza and/or Dragic to other teams as well for 2nd rounders or something to that degree. But even if not, they have some vets to finish out this year.

[exstatic]

Wonder what chances are for the Spurs not winning another game before trade deadline but still not making a move.

Probably close to 100%, since they rarely make TDL day moves under any circumstances.

[DPG21920]

Probably close to 100%, since they rarely make TDL day moves under any circumstances.

Well, when you have Tim, Tony and Manu you have the luxury of not needing to do much. This is a different time now. I agree, Pop will likely be stubborn and not do what is best for the franchise long-term vs what he wants short-term, but they should be heavily exploring things this deadline/Summer

[Prime BEEF]

Wonder what chances are for the Spurs not winning another game before trade deadline but still not making a move.
No trade is damn near 100%. Give 50% on the going winless. It basically comes down to beating Charlotte at home.

[jermaine]

Probably agree, but IF they were going to because they wanted a full salary reset, sending him to a great organization that both he and LMA played with and enjoyed would be the exact type of trade that would happen.

Mills would have to ask for that.

[DPG21920]

Odds are they are going to lose to UTA. That puts them a whopping 7 games under 500. I don’t care if you can make the playoffs with that record it’s totally unacceptable.

We now have 2 years worth of data on this LMA/DeRozan core; it’s over. It’s not working.

[murpjf88]

Odds are they are going to lose to UTA. That puts them a whopping 7 games under 500. I don’t care if you can make the playoffs with that record it’s totally unacceptable.

We now have 2 years worth of data on this LMA/DeRozan core; it’s over. It’s not working.

Why should they try to make the playoffs? So they can get hammered in three games by the Lakers? Not worth it.

[Seventyniner]

Probably agree, but IF they were going to because they wanted a full salary reset, sending him to a great organization that both he and LMA played with and enjoyed would be the exact type of trade that would happen.

And you know that #8 is going in the rafters some day. :bang

[Dverde]

Odds are they are going to lose to UTA. That puts them a whopping 7 games under 500. I don’t care if you can make the playoffs with that record it’s totally unacceptable.

We now have 2 years worth of data on this LMA/DeRozan core; it’s over. It’s not working.

I actually feel bad for LMA. I do wish we could help LMA get in a better situation. This may be his last semi-prime year and to waste it on this garbage team...

[TD 21]

So net if these scenarios happen for SA:

2 additional first round picks to pair with their own
LMA, DDR, Mills money off the books next season (so significant cap space)
Looks at 2 decent “young” prospects that fit our current youth timeline in Zach Collins and Bogdanovic

Possibility for even more if they can flip Ariza and/or Dragic to other teams as well for 2nd rounders or something to that degree. But even if not, they have some vets to finish out this year.

The Trail Blazers have supposedly deemed Collins and Simons off limits (which obviously means, for what a big expiring + one could realistically fetch). They probably don't go beyond Whiteside, a lottery protected 1st and maybe a minor asset, like Trent Jr. or a future 2nd.

With the same caveat and for sentimental reasons, we all know Mills is off limits too.

That three teamer is solid, but I don't see the Kings including a 1st. Also, Bogdanovic is 27 (28 on August 18th), so he's not a prospect. Re-routing Dragic would yield the requisite secondary asset. Granted, the teams who'd probably want him most either don't have expendable matching salary (76ers, Lakers) or an asset that could make sense (Mavericks).

[DPG21920]

The Trail Blazers have supposedly deemed Collins and Simons off limits (which obviously means, for what a big expiring + one could realistically fetch). They probably don't go beyond Whiteside, a lottery protected 1st and maybe a minor asset, like Trent Jr. or a future 2nd.

With the same caveat and for sentimental reasons, we all know Mills is off limits too.

That three teamer is solid, but I don't see the Kings including a 1st.
Also, Bogdanovic is 27 (28 on August 18th), so he's not a prospect. Re-routing Dragic would yield the requisite secondary asset.

I think all teams say things, but if you can land LMA and appease Lillard, I think that becomes an option. Who knows. Im not overly high on Zach so would not be heartbroken, but I think with how great LMA is playing and shooting 3’s he should command a good return.

I can see the Kings giving a first because they both get to dump Dedmon for a guy in Olynyk they may want more/fits better and also get Winslow which fits their wing need and young core. But yeah, that might be tough, but I think doable.

For sure on Bog, that’s why I put young in “ “ .

[TD 21]

I think all teams say things, but if you can land LMA and appease Lillard, I think that becomes an option. Who knows. Im not overly high on Zach so would not be heartbroken, but I think with how great LMA is playing and shooting 3’s he should command a good return.

I can see the Kings giving a first because they both get to dump Dedmon for a guy in Olynyk they may want more/fits better and also get Winslow which fits their wing need and young core. But yeah, that might be tough, but I think doable.

For sure on Bog, that’s why I put young in “ “ .

I think they mean it though. Not only because their bloated payroll desperately needs relatively inexpensive contributors, but I think they've genuinely overvalued both as players. The thing is, they probably can land Aldridge for less and if they can't, they definitely could Love or possibly Gallinari.

But Olynyk and Dedmon have similar contracts and are similar caliber player, so they basically cancel each other out, as do Winslow and Bogdanovic. Why are they adding a 1st? Especially considering they only have their own, which project as high picks at worst or mid round picks at best, in the next few years.

[Dverde]

I think all teams say things, but if you can land LMA and appease Lillard, I think that becomes an option. Who knows. Im not overly high on Zach so would not be heartbroken, but I think with how great LMA is playing and shooting 3’s he should command a good return.

I can see the Kings giving a first because they both get to than dump Dedmon for a guy in Olynyk they may want more/fits better and also get Winslow which fits their wing need and young core. But yeah, that might be tough, but I think doable

For sure on Bog, that’s why I put young in “ “ .

Nurkic seemed more like the asset to go after than Collins. Nurkic can play with Poodle.

[DPG21920]

I think they mean it though. Not only because their bloated payroll desperately needs relatively inexpensive contributors, but I think they've genuinely overvalued both as players. The thing is, they probably can land Aldridge for less and if they can't, they definitely could Love or possibly Gallinari.

But Olynyk and Dedmon have similar contracts and are similar caliber player, so they basically cancel each other out, as do Winslow and Bogdanovic. Why are they adding a 1st? Especially considering they only have their own, which project as high picks at worst or mid round picks at best, in the next few years.

LMA is wayyy better than Zach. Let’s not forget that. Unlike SA, they have a legit top 10 player and can’t afford a step back. A first and Zach is not a high price for LMA imo. It’s fair but probably slightly undervaluing LMA.

LMA is better than Love and Gallo.

Dedmon wants out and is a distraction. Kings are trying to build up. So getting rid of the distraction along with getting what is a younger better fit with Buddy/Fox in Winslow is the reason. But yeah I can see them not wanting to add a first. Depends on how they value Winslow

[ZeusWillJudge]

So net if these scenarios happen for SA:

2 additional first round picks to pair with their own
LMA, DDR, Mills money off the books next season (so significant cap space)
Looks at 2 decent “young” prospects that fit our current youth timeline in Zach Collins and Bogdanovic

Possibility for even more if they can flip Ariza and/or Dragic to other teams as well for 2nd rounders or something to that degree. But even if not, they have some vets to finish out this year.


If we got to vote for GM, I'd vote for you. With the understanding that if you can't pull all that off, we're shipping your ass to the Fujian Sturgeons. :lol

[DPG21920]

:lol

[Mugen]

:lol Feel bad for you nerds spending time putting together these trade scenarios when the actual guy that can make it happen is sitting back going....

"We like what we have." :pop:

[DavidTheGoliath]

:lol Feel bad for you nerds spending time putting together these trade scenarios when the actual guy that can make it happen is sitting back going....

"We like what we have." :pop:

So they can disappoiont theirselves even more. "Sigh if only we got this guy" armchair gms gonna armchair gm tbh :cry

[Kobe'sAchilles]

I don't think we should trade anyone tbh. Just letting certain people walk (Forbes, Belli, DDR) would more than suffice. Next year is the time to trade when some contender is looking for Rudy Gay's services (trust me it's going to happen).

[ismael-robert]

:lol Feel bad for you nerds spending time putting together these trade scenarios when the actual guy that can make it happen is sitting back going....

"We like what we have." :pop:

[palangi]

So they can disappoiont theirselves even more. "Sigh if only we got this guy" armchair gms gonna armchair gm tbh :cry

Yeah stop hoping! Stop being a fan and wanting and having hope for more

[Sugus]

Nurkic seemed more like the asset to go after than Collins. Nurkic can play with Poodle.

In what world are the Blazers giving up their 25yo star PF who was posting 20pt double doubles before going down, for a 33yo has-been who doesn't put them in clear contention? Don't think of a trade from the Spurs' side only - we'd all like to fleece every other team. It'll probably be the other way around.

[SpurPadre]

There's a bigger chance Load Management plays a back to back than there is us making a deadline trade.

[lmbebo]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-trade-market-reportedly-very-011231811.html

[ZeusWillJudge]

If the Spurs really want to start blowing it up, there might be a trade available with Atlanta:

Chandler Parsons was in a bad car wreck, and is probably done with the NBA. I feel badly for him, but he's still tradeable and he has a salary of $25M, which would offset LMA. Plus he was expiring this year, which means the Spurs would clear all that cap space next season, and not have to try and get a disabled player exception just to get part of it.

Atlanta is also holding Brooklyn's first round pick for next season. It's lottery protected (1-14), but there's a really good chance that Brooklyn claims the 8 seed in the East so the pick would convey this year. If they do miss the playoffs, they won't next season when Durant is back in action. So that's a first round pick that would actually convey, either next year or the one after.

There are a bunch of scenarios where the Spurs could get rid of Beli in the process (let's face it, Pop isn't letting Bryn go). But the base of Aldridge for Parsons+Brooklyn's 1st round pick would be a good place to start.

[dbestpro]

I remember how fans thought Walter Berry and Alfredrick Hughes were gonna be superstars. Can you say dejavue?

[ZeusWillJudge]

I remember how fans thought Walter Berry and Alfredrick Hughes were gonna be superstars. Can you say dejavue?


The Blazers also picked Greg Oden, with Kevin Durant on the board. If you think the Spurs are going to do something that stupid with a first round pick, then they're just fucked and nothing matters anyway.

Shit, how can so many people keep insisting that a good first round pick is a bad thing?

[TD 21]

LMA is wayyy better than Zach. Let’s not forget that. Unlike SA, they have a legit top 10 player and can’t afford a step back. A first and Zach is not a high price for LMA imo. It’s fair but probably slightly undervaluing LMA.

LMA is better than Love and Gallo.

Dedmon wants out and is a distraction. Kings are trying to build up. So getting rid of the distraction along with getting what is a younger better fit with Buddy/Fox in Winslow is the reason. But yeah I can see them not wanting to add a first. Depends on how they value Winslow

Who said otherwise? And that's not how trades work. Why would they give up Collins when they don't have to? At worst, they could wait another season and sign Aldridge. At best, the Spurs trade DeRozan in the off season, Aldridge requests to be traded to the Trail Blazers and the Spurs, more concerned with doing right by him than they are what's best for their organization, acquiesce.

Even with him finally (and begrudgingly) embracing the 3, a going on 35 year old big, who can't defend "PF"s or anchor a defense anymore, is more than likely only going to fetch one decent asset.

[DPG21920]

Let’s just agree to disagree. There are numerous reasons, but you obviously don’t see them nor agree. It’s not likely either; it’s just an idea.

[TD 21]

Let’s just agree to disagree. There are numerous reasons, but you obviously don’t see them nor agree. It’s not likely either; it’s just an idea.

Just trying to warn against getting your hopes up. If/when they trade the "mid 3" this off season, the returns are likely to be underwhelming.

[tbdog]

2021 offseason is where the team is aiming for. That will be the start of a new era. As long trades don't ruin that off season, then I'll welcome a must needed trade.

[cd021]

If the Spurs really want to start blowing it up, there might be a trade available with Atlanta:

Chandler Parsons was in a bad car wreck, and is probably done with the NBA. I feel badly for him, but he's still tradeable and he has a salary of $25M, which would offset LMA. Plus he was expiring this year, which means the Spurs would clear all that cap space next season, and not have to try and get a disabled player exception just to get part of it.

Atlanta is also holding Brooklyn's first round pick for next season. It's lottery protected (1-14), but there's a really good chance that Brooklyn claims the 8 seed in the East so the pick would convey this year. If they do miss the playoffs, they won't next season when Durant is back in action. So that's a first round pick that would actually convey, either next year or the one after.

There are a bunch of scenarios where the Spurs could get rid of Beli in the process (let's face it, Pop isn't letting Bryn go). But the base of Aldridge for Parsons+Brooklyn's 1st round pick would be a good place to start.


Not sure why ATL would give up the 15th pick in the draft for a year plus of Aldridge. They're trying to get better but that doesn't seem to be a good use of their assets.

[San Antonio Slayer]

Spurs, Blazers and Rockets need to upgrade right now or it's a waste of time and effort for each of them. I would put everyone in the trade machine except LMA, DDR, White and Jakob to save this season.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Not sure why ATL would give up the 15th pick in the draft for a year plus of Aldridge. They're trying to get better but that doesn't seem to be a good use of their assets.


There are a couple of reasons. First, I
said that a deal would probably include a couple more players. Atlanta only has $33M in commitments next season. That's a great position... except when it's a weak FA class. Right now they have 8 players on their roster who have 3 or fewer years experience, not counting 2W's. Atlanta has a shitload of cap space, and a need for experienced players. So a package that includes, say, Patty Mills would have more value to them than some others - especially the way he's been playing lately. I can also see some good possibilities for 3 team deals.

Second, Chandler Parsons is probably done for good. Their only shot at getting some value out of him is to make a deal now. Aldridge would be a potential trade chip in the offseason or next season (especially with Portland, but also with others). And if they can't move him, he would bring a lot of things that team needs, and they can take a shot at re-signing him. The 15-16 pick in what people think is a weak draft isn't a giant prize.

My point was just that IF the Spurs do decide to blow it up, Aldridge to ATL for Parsons and a pick is a good place to start. ATL will have one of the top picks in the draft, and they're loaded with young players. The 15 pick in a weak draft isn't what they need. Aldridge and Patty would probably have more value to them than most other teams.

[dbestpro]

The Blazers also picked Greg Oden, with Kevin Durant on the board. If you think the Spurs are going to do something that stupid with a first round pick, then they're just fucked and nothing matters anyway.

Shit, how can so many people keep insisting that a good first round pick is a bad thing?

Not sure how your comment had anything to do with what I said. Point is it will be a lonng long long time before the Spurs see the playoffs with players like these. There are other ways to get the right players. DDR and LMA are not the problem but the need a third wheel and role players that fit. These kids except for Walker do not look like they will show up day in and day out. Instead of hoping some kid may have a game someday go get the players that have a game right now. The Spurs never have been big on trades but it is the one way to turn the team around.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Not sure how your comment had anything to do with what I said. Point is it will be a lonng long long time before the Spurs see the playoffs with players like these. There are other ways to get the right players. DDR and LMA are not the problem but the need a third wheel and role players that fit. These kids except for Walker do not look like they will show up day in and day out. Instead of hoping some kid may have a game someday go get the players that have a game right now. The Spurs never have been big on trades but it is the one way to turn the team around.


LOL. It has everything to do with what you said. You cited two stupid draft moves of the past and used that to justify your stupid position about the draft now.
You even ended this dumbshit post by saying there is only one way to turn the team around, and that's through trades. That's what you were saying before, just own up to it. You can't have it both ways.

[spurspl]

My point was just that IF the Spurs do decide to blow it up, Aldridge to ATL for Parsons and a pick is a good place to start. ATL will have one of the top picks in the draft, and they're loaded with young players. The 15 pick in a weak draft isn't what they need. Aldridge and Patty would probably have more value to them than most other teams.
so u r telling us that 15th pick is what spurs needs? another average young player who will be send to g league? In this draft top5 picks are valuable. If we cannot get one lets try to get smb like hield bogdanovic herro etc

[ZeusWillJudge]

so u r telling us that 15th pick is what spurs needs? another average young player who will be send to g league? In this draft top5 picks are valuable. If we cannot get one lets try to get smb like hield bogdanovic herro etc

Do you know what "blow it up" means, Fucktard?

The Spurs need cap space - they have $118M in salaries committed next year. The Hawks have a shitload of cap space - they have $33M in salaries committed next year. IF the Spurs were to "blow it up", one of the big goals would be getting back cap space sooner rather than later. The pick is a bonus.

Don't waste my time with weak fucking takes like that.

[spurspl]

Do you know what "blow it up" means, Fucktard?

The Spurs need cap space - they have $118M in salaries committed next year. The Hawks have a shitload of cap space - they have $33M in salaries committed next year. IF the Spurs were to "blow it up", one of the big goals would be getting back cap space sooner rather than later. The pick is a bonus.

Don't waste my time with weak fucking takes like that.

why the fuck spurs would need cap space? xd noone is coming here fucktard

ppl who run this team has the same type of thinking as u and most of ppl on this forum and thats a problem. U dont understand how to build an advantage, invest in future, use a resources and look at the environment.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Do you know what "blow it up" means, Fucktard?

The Spurs need cap space - they have $118M in salaries committed next year. The Hawks have a shitload of cap space - they have $33M in salaries committed next year. IF the Spurs were to "blow it up", one of the big goals would be getting back cap space sooner rather than later. The pick is a bonus.

Don't waste my time with weak fucking takes like that.

Spurs only have $85 mil on the books for next season, excluding DDR opting in (he won’t) and various cap holds. Most of the other big-ish contracts are very movable too, if they really need cap space - Gay, Patty, LMA.

[dbestpro]

LOL. It has everything to do with what you said. You cited two stupid draft moves of the past and used that to justify your stupid position about the draft now.
You even ended this dumbshit post by saying there is only one way to turn the team around, and that's through trades. That's what you were saying before, just own up to it. You can't have it both ways.


You continue to bark up the wrong tree. Point is these young pups are no better and you are just fooling yourself to think otherwise.

[Dverde]

In what world are the Blazers giving up their 25yo star PF who was posting 20pt double doubles before going down, for a 33yo has-been who doesn't put them in clear contention? Don't think of a trade from the Spurs' side only - we'd all like to fleece every other team. It'll probably be the other way around.

It’s called maximizing your championship window and selling your future for two years of Lillard, CJ, and LMA. It’s not a great strategy most of the time. Nurkic isn’t a future All-NBA guy, he’s above average starter. Plus he’ll be rehabbing this year and most of next year.

[Sugus]

It’s called maximizing your championship window and selling your future for two years of Lillard, CJ, and LMA. It’s not a great strategy most of the time. Nurkic isn’t a future All-NBA guy, he’s above average starter. Plus he’ll be rehabbing this year and most of next year.

Nurkic is a much better fit around Dame and CJ than LMA at this point could be, there's no sense to that trade. Forget about the age difference and potential, and the fact that LMA is half washed - Nurkic is a much better and more consistent defender, especially against young guards and PnR action where Aldrige gets cooked; he's a much more active rebounder and more modern scorer that doesn't need "touches" and pounding the post to score. LaMarcus does not move the needle for the current iteration of the Blazers (and seeing the trade they've made to shed luxury salary recently, they're probably punting this season anyways and looking at the draft). Just no chance of the trade going through, especially since Nurkic is a fan favorite and is rehabbing an injury, it'd be a pretty bad look to trade him now for the Blazers.

I absolutely wish it would happen though, even though we'd probably have to give up a pick or two. Nurkic would plug a lot of holes for our current roster.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

I think we won't see the Spurs willing to truly commit to rebuilding until Pop steps away. The best we can probably wish for is a smaller trade that results in Forbes not starting.

Watching the Magic in Miami Monday night I could only follow Spurs on my phone, but was able to stream final few minutes. Disappointed that none of the young guys stepped up.

I can see why ORL would have interest in a player like DDR, as they really lack attacking wing. Can also see frustration in Gordon, as he kinda reminds me of DJ in the sense that decision making is a bigger issue than his shooting/offensive ability except Gordon has the experience & still hasn't improved in that capacity.

I also was reminded how underrated of a coach Spoelstra is. His willingness to trust young players and teach them while playing through their mistakes is a stark contrast from what I see in SA

[TimDunkem]

Spol didn't pull Bosh when he needed rebounding in 13. So, the difference has been stark for some time.

[Prime BEEF]

3 team trade:
Memphis gets Mills/Carroll/LAC 1st Rd Pick
Clippers get Iggy/Poetl
Spurs get Harrell/Harkless ($11M expiring contract)

[DPG21920]

Nurkic is a much better fit around Dame and CJ than LMA at this point could be, there's no sense to that trade. Forget about the age difference and potential, and the fact that LMA is half washed - Nurkic is a much better and more consistent defender, especially against young guards and PnR action where Aldrige gets cooked; he's a much more active rebounder and more modern scorer that doesn't need "touches" and pounding the post to score. LaMarcus does not move the needle for the current iteration of the Blazers (and seeing the trade they've made to shed luxury salary recently, they're probably punting this season anyways and looking at the draft). Just no chance of the trade going through, especially since Nurkic is a fan favorite and is rehabbing an injury, it'd be a pretty bad look to trade him now for the Blazers.

I absolutely wish it would happen though, even though we'd probably have to give up a pick or two. Nurkic would plug a lot of holes for our current roster.

I will tell you that your opinion of LMA is much lower and does not match the opinion of other people around the league.

[Mugen]

I will tell you that your opinion of LMA is much lower and does not match the opinion of other people around the league.

Based on the last several years, I think it's pretty clear that the #1 priority for Pop/RC/Wright in any transactions is to make sure they get the best deal for BOTH sides and not necessarily what's best for the Spurs tbh.

Gone are the days of the Kawhi trade...

[Mugen]

This franchise and organization will never, ever be back to relevance as long as Pop holds as much clout as he currently does within the FO. It's the sad truth that a lot of you really need to accept tbh.

[DPG21920]

This franchise and organization will never, ever be back to relevance as long as Pop holds as much clout as he currently does within the FO. It's the sad truth that a lot of you really need to accept tbh.

There is definitely some truth to that. Pop deserves and is doing what is best for him in the moment. He doesn’t want to coach a rebuild it appears. He won’t do the franchise long-term harm for this, but he certainly is not doing what he can to maximize a future he won’t be around for.

He’s being stubborn quite honestly and I get it. But man, I was hoping that with time he would see the truth and do what is best. But doesn’t look like it.

Maybe this Summer will bring forth the real change and if thats the case no big deal. Nothing has to be done at this deadline, but something has to be done before next season.

[cd021]

3 team trade:
Memphis gets Mills/Carroll/LAC 1st Rd Pick
Clippers get Iggy/Poetl
Spurs get Harrell/Harkless ($11M expiring contract)

So we just give up Poeltl? Nonstarter tbh.

[Sugus]

I will tell you that your opinion of LMA is much lower and does not match the opinion of other people around the league.

I don't disagree, but do you honestly think there's a trade possibility where Portland gives up 25yo Nurkic for 33yo LMA, whilst they're clearly far from contention right now, and without the Spurs giving up at least 2 picks back? Serious question.

[DPG21920]

So we just give up Poeltl? Nonstarter tbh.

Objectively, who do you think is better: Harrell or Poeltl?

[DPG21920]

I don't disagree, but do you honestly think there's a trade possibility where Portland gives up 25yo Nurkic for 33yo LMA, whilst they're clearly far from contention right now, and without the Spurs giving up at least 2 picks back? Serious question.

I don’t think SA would want Nurk. I suggested Collins. But yes, they just SuperMax’d Lillard and cant risk him demanding out. They need to win now, as some franchises do, and that will come at the expense of the future.

No one saying it’s an amazing deal for POR, but in the moment LMA is far better than Nurk and he’s healthy and can help them right now. That is worth a lottery protected first and Zach or Nurk.

[Mugen]

There is definitely some truth to that. Pop deserves and is doing what is best for him in the moment. He doesn’t want to coach a rebuild it appears. He won’t do the franchise long-term harm for this, but he certainly is not doing what he can to maximize a future he won’t be around for.

He’s being stubborn quite honestly and I get it. But man, I was hoping that with time he would see the truth and do what is best. But doesn’t look like it.

Maybe this Summer will bring forth the real change and if thats the case no big deal. Nothing has to be done at this deadline, but something has to be done before next season.

Yeah, summer is your better shot. I think (hopefully) that this will be Pop's last season coaching. With the promotion of RC/Wright, I think there's also a good chance Pop steps away from FO duties as well.

Once he's no longer involved with the day to day, I think that's your best shot at real change.

Unfortunately, I think one of his last moves will be giving Bryn a fat new 4yr deal. I really, really hope I'm wrong but everything we've seen from Pop these last few years leads me to believe that he wants to make sure he gets his guy absolutely paid.

[Excessive Egotist]

I don’t think SA would want Nurk. I suggested Collins. But yes, they just SuperMax’d Lillard and cant risk him demanding out. They need to win now, as some franchises do, and that will come at the expense of the future.

No one saying it’s an amazing deal for POR, but in the moment LMA is far better than Nurk and he’s healthy and can help them right now. That is worth a lottery protected first and Zach or Nurk.

This feels like it would require a third team in order to get done. Portland's inability to include Bazemore makes a sensible salary match difficult.

[DPG21920]

This feels like it would require a third team in order to get done. Portland's inability to include Bazemore makes a sensible salary match difficult.

Not at all. Whiteside is perfect for this straight up.

[Excessive Egotist]

Not at all. Whiteside is perfect for this straight up.

I'd rather have Aldridge unless Whiteside came with another asset.

[DPG21920]

I'd rather have Aldridge unless Whiteside came with another asset.

Yeah - Whiteside is simply a large expiring deal to make the math work. He’s not the asset. The asset would be a POR 1st round pick and/or Zach Collins.

[spurspl]

Based on the last several years, I think it's pretty clear that the #1 priority for Pop/RC/Wright in any transactions is to make sure they get the best deal for BOTH sides and not necessarily what's best for the Spurs tbh.

Gone are the days of the Kawhi trade...
u kiddin? they always wanna too much.

[Excessive Egotist]

Yeah - Whiteside is simply a large expiring deal to make the math work. He’s not the asset. The asset would be a POR 1st round pick and/or Zach Collins.

Philosophically, I agree with you that Spurs should be aggressive in transitioning this roster away from Aldridge and DDR. So don't read this as me giving you a hard time for the sport of it. But Whiteside + and first seems too rich from Portland's perspective and Whiteside + Collins just seems meh. In short, I think a deal with Portland is harder to get done now that they've made a move with Sacramento. The Sacramento move may be read as a signal they didn't have interest in an Aldridge-like deal. But if Portland did offer Whiteside plus a first, the Spurs should look at that deal.

[DPG21920]

Philosophically, I agree with you that Spurs should be aggressive in transitioning this roster away from Aldridge and DDR. So don't read this as me giving you a hard time for the sport of it. But Whiteside + and first seems too rich from Portland's perspective and Whiteside + Collins just seems meh. In short, I think a deal with Portland is harder to get done now that they've made a move with Sacramento. The Sacramento move may be read as a signal they didn't have interest in an Aldridge-like deal. But if Portland did offer Whiteside plus a first, the Spurs should look at that deal.

No hard feelings at all! It’s a forum and we discuss these things. It’s all speculation and educated guessing for the most part.

There are lots of variables too. We just don’t have all the data and I see both sides

[cd021]

Objectively, who do you think is better: Harrell or Poeltl?
Definitely Poeltl. Harrell is a high energy guy but also seen is a bad to mediocre defender.

[DPG21920]

Definitely Poeltl. Harrell is a high energy guy but also seen is a bad to mediocre defender.

What about offensively? Does Harrells advanced ability to score offset that some?

[cd021]

What about offensively? Does Harrells advanced ability to score offset that some?
Probably. Still rather have Jakob tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

23 pages and at the end of the day all they gonna trade is Demarre Carroll for a 2nd round pick :lmao

[Chinook]

23 pages and at the end of the day all they gonna trade is Demarre Carroll for a 2nd round pick :lmao

If it's for no money or an expiring, that'd be a hell of a trade, tbh.

[objective]

23 pages and at the end of the day all they gonna trade is Demarre Carroll for a 2nd round pick :lmao

More like Spurs giving a second rounder

[EasyMoney]

Spurs HAVE to do something if they lose tonight.

[ismael-robert]

23 pages and at the end of the day all they gonna trade is Demarre Carroll for a 2nd round pick :lmao
Not even that's gonna happen. Just keep all your hopes n dreams to yourselves it's like yall think they're on here reading y'alls proposals

[Sugus]

I don’t think SA would want Nurk. I suggested Collins. But yes, they just SuperMax’d Lillard and cant risk him demanding out. They need to win now, as some franchises do, and that will come at the expense of the future.

No one saying it’s an amazing deal for POR, but in the moment LMA is far better than Nurk and he’s healthy and can help them right now. That is worth a lottery protected first and Zach or Nurk.

SA would be absolute idiots to refuse Nurkic if he was put on the table at a reasonable price. I seriously wonder whether people here just don't watch the Blazers or what, he's being severely underrated. Also, I don't know if you saw it, Dude, but a report on Dame came out a while ago and he said literally that he "could weather the storm", meaning his loyalty is not dependant on immediate team success. More than likely, considering they've sustained a lot of losses and Nurk, even if he comes back at the end of this season, probably won't be in full shape until next offseaso, the Blazers FO will have talked to Dame about the possibility of doing a one-year semi-tank and retooling the team for a run next season.

Considering all of this, and also watching the decline that LMA has had from last season to this one (both defensively and offensively, though the new 3pt shot could offset that to a degree if Aldrige mixed it well with post play), and considering Portland's run would most likely be in 20-21 when LMA is 35, I would make the educated guess that the Blazers would not do a LMA unless we included assets to sweeten it, which is obviously against our own objectives. I would love to be proved wrong by PATFO though...

[TDMVPDPOY]

SA would be absolute idiots to refuse Nurkic if he was put on the table at a reasonable price. I seriously wonder whether people here just don't watch the Blazers or what, he's being severely underrated. Also, I don't know if you saw it, Dude, but a report on Dame came out a while ago and he said literally that he "could weather the storm", meaning his loyalty is not dependant on immediate team success. More than likely, considering they've sustained a lot of losses and Nurk, even if he comes back at the end of this season, probably won't be in full shape until next offseaso, the Blazers FO will have talked to Dame about the possibility of doing a one-year semi-tank and retooling the team for a run next season.

Considering all of this, and also watching the decline that LMA has had from last season to this one (both defensively and offensively, though the new 3pt shot could offset that to a degree if Aldrige mixed it well with post play), and considering Portland's run would most likely be in 20-21 when LMA is 35, I would make the educated guess that the Blazers would not do a LMA unless we included assets to sweeten it, which is obviously against our own objectives. I would love to be proved wrong by PATFO though...

spurs need a alpha male on offense who can score +30 on some nights and consistent +20ppg...mccollum go get that dude

[Payote75]

Am I missing something? A lot of people keep saying for the Spurs to wait until the summer to make trades but doesn't DD have a player option???? He undoubtedly will not resign with the Spurs nor would I want him at more money than he makes now. So we have to get something or we end up with basically nothing from the kaweasel trade. You can wait on LA but why would you he is playing well with this new 3 clearly shows he has put time in and a team in need at the deadline might give us a good deal. But that's a wait and see however DD must go. I don't hate the dude but can't risk ending up with nothing.

[exstatic]

Am I missing something? A lot of people keep saying for the Spurs to wait until the summer to make trades but doesn't DD have a player option???? He undoubtedly will not resign with the Spurs nor would I want him at more money than he makes now. So we have to get something or we end up with basically nothing from the kaweasel trade. You can wait on LA but why would you he is playing well with this new 3 clearly shows he has put time in and a team in need at the deadline might give us a good deal. But that's a wait and see however DD must go. I don't hate the dude but can't risk ending up with nothing.

Poeltl, Keldon. That’s not nothing. I also don’t believe that the DD/LMA tandem was anything but a bridge to the future, and not what you build around. If you’re not building around it, it’s expendable.

[EasyMoney]

Lamarcus Aldridge was a fallback option in case Marc gasol ended up staying in Memphis.

Demar DeRozan is just a placeholder

[XDT76]

Why would the salary freed up from DDR be worse off than to take on something other team willing to part for DDR? We could probably look to sign at a position we are in a need then to take on something of a compromise. No tanking team would give us their pick for DDR and any team giving us a pick is gonna be late pick which probably not gonna be very useful.

[JuneJive]

If history is an indicator, there won't be any major move.

But, the circumstances have changed, and this team is no longer contending.

The biggest question is how does PATFO handle the playoff run. Do they think it's within their grasp or are they gonna back down and retool/build for next season.

[Frenchfred]

Why would the salary freed up from DDR be worse off than to take on something other team willing to part for DDR? We could probably look to sign at a position we are in a need then to take on something of a compromise. No tanking team would give us their pick for DDR and any team giving us a pick is gonna be late pick which probably not gonna be very useful.

Agreed on the pick, plus this year draft is going to be average. Which player would help the Spurs better than the way Derozan is playing right now? If the Spurs can resign him at no more than 27 millions a year, I think that it is better to keep him.

[duncan2150]

The Spurs are 21-26, which puts them 2.5 games back from the playoffs and only 3.5 games from from top-10 lottery odds. League executives wonder if they’ll choose to break up their crowded roster. Older players like DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge are still effective but are blocking younger players from earning more minutes. Dejounte Murray isn’t available, (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/1/30/21114695/trade-deadline-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic) but there are four other players I’d be targeting in trades. 4 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1314593/) – via Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/1/30/21114695/trade-deadline-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic)

[lmbebo]

The Spurs are 21-26, which puts them 2.5 games back from the playoffs and only 3.5 games from from top-10 lottery odds. League executives wonder if they’ll choose to break up their crowded roster. Older players like DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge are still effective but are blocking younger players from earning more minutes. Dejounte Murray isn’t available, (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/1/30/21114695/trade-deadline-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic) but there are four other players I’d be targeting in trades. 4 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1314593/) – via Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/1/30/21114695/trade-deadline-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic)

They believe DJM has a higher ceiling that Walker and white?

[DPG21920]

They believe DJM has a higher ceiling that Walker and white?

This feels like when they beefed up their talking on George Hill to raise his value for a trade.

[TD 21]

Am I missing something? A lot of people keep saying for the Spurs to wait until the summer to make trades but doesn't DD have a player option???? He undoubtedly will not resign with the Spurs nor would I want him at more money than he makes now. So we have to get something or we end up with basically nothing from the kaweasel trade. You can wait on LA but why would you he is playing well with this new 3 clearly shows he has put time in and a team in need at the deadline might give us a good deal. But that's a wait and see however DD must go. I don't hate the dude but can't risk ending up with nothing.

They can and more than likely will work with his representation on finding a palatable resolution, which should be an extend and trade . . . let's hope they're not fooled by this latest stretch into being the suckers to give it to him.

Either way, I wouldn't worry about him leaving for nothing. The only teams with significant cap space are re-building ones, who he makes no sense for. Plus, by all accounts he has a good relationship with the organization, so there's no incentive for him to not do right by them, so long as he's also getting what he wants.




The Spurs are 21-26, which puts them 2.5 games back from the playoffs and only 3.5 games from from top-10 lottery odds. League executives wonder if they’ll choose to break up their crowded roster. Older players like DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge are still effective but are blocking younger players from earning more minutes. Dejounte Murray isn’t available, (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/1/30/21114695/trade-deadline-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic)
but there are four other players I’d be targeting in trades. 4 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1314593/)
– via Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/1/30/21114695/trade-deadline-aaron-gordon-marcus-smart-bogdan-bogdanovic)


O'Connor is one of the better writers around, but this segment is the latest example of how clueless the national media is about this organization. The only trades they might make, are salary dumping Carroll and finding a stop gap PF solution (Belinelli and/or Lyles could be involved), possibly in a 3 team trade.

Mills is unavailable for sentimental/intangible reasons and why would any of the youth be available at the moment? They need to re-build and virtually all of it is more valuable to them than the league right now, because none possess the pedigree or are established enough to where they'd get enough back to make it worth their while.

[Realdeal1]

I can see a sign and trade with derozan in the offseason ...

[gambit1990]

no one should be untouchable. with that being said, now is not the best time to trade murray. he will be more valuable in the future.

[TimDunkem]

Lamarcus Aldridge was a fallback option in case Marc gasol ended up staying in Memphis.

Demar DeRozan is just a placeholder

And yet the Spurs, seemingly, as well as some here, consider DD the franchise cornerstone now.

[Collins21]

And yet the Spurs, seemingly, as well as some here, consider DD the franchise cornerstone now.

This dude doesn't know what he's talking about Aldridge was the first priority back then I remember there being articles saying that the Spurs were planning to get him a year in advance.

[diego]

If the spurs commit to a full rebuild, it makes sense to sell high and DeRozan as the teams best player is the most valuable asset. Ideally you can move both DeRozan and Aldridge because it makes no sense to keep either one in that scenario.

I think regardless if pop stays or not, spurs prefer to keep one and in that case I prefer they keep DeRozan, emo chokes and all. Aldridge is clearly losing steps to father time which means it would be best to trade him before his value declines further. I don't think the spurs have a great market for Aldridge, it's a tough situation.

[TimDunkem]

This dude doesn't know what he's talking about Aldridge was the first priority back then I remember there being articles saying that the Spurs were planning to get him a year in advance.

You don't. You really think Poop is going to essentially admit trading for DD was the wrong move by moving on from him? Not likely.

[Collins21]

You don't. You really think Poop is going to essentially admit trading for DD was the wrong move by moving on from him? Not likely.
I said nothing about DD I was saying that it was untrue that Gasol was the target over Aldridge. Everything written back then clearly stated Aldridge was the target from the start of that 14-15 season. agree with you 100% that I don't see Pop moving on from DD.

[JeffDuncan]

This dude doesn't know what he's talking about Aldridge was the first priority back then I remember there being articles saying that the Spurs were planning to get him a year in advance.


You are correct. When the Spurs delayed giving Kawhi his contract extension, by 8 months, it was so they'd have $ to make their best bid for Aldridge, when Aldridge reached free agency. They signed Aldridge on July 9, 2015, then finally gave Kawhi his extension on July 16.

[Collins21]

You are correct. When the Spurs delayed giving Kawhi his contract extension, by 8 months, it was so they'd have $ to make their best bid for Aldridge, when Aldridge reached free agency. They signed Aldridge on July 9, 2015, then finally gave Kawhi his extension on July 16.

That's why I question a lot of stuff people say on here because it seems like people like to make up stuff instead of speaking facts.

[tbdog]

If the spurs commit to a full rebuild, it makes sense to sell high and DeRozan as the teams best player is the most valuable asset. Ideally you can move both DeRozan and Aldridge because it makes no sense to keep either one in that scenario.

I think regardless if pop stays or not, spurs prefer to keep one and in that case I prefer they keep DeRozan, emo chokes and all. Aldridge is clearly losing steps to father time which means it would be best to trade him before his value declines further. I don't think the spurs have a great market for Aldridge, it's a tough situation.

Spurs won't commit to a rebuild because we can at any time, start a rebuild. Despite what people think, we have some good players, young and vets.

[Payote75]

What????? Kaweasel for Poetrl and Keldon is nothing if you want to compare it like that but the rest of what you said is almost in line with what I'm saying. I'm all for getting what we can for DD now adding whatever he brings us back to Keldon and Poetrl makes kawitter trade look a lot better assuming Keldon turns into a player. Like Gordon Ross and a 1st rounder Poetrl and Keldon (just an example) then I'd be ecstatic the sum of all parts is very nice. Add in a good return for Aldridge and we would be nicely set up.

What at I don't get is if we added players that have been mentioned in rumors for DD and LA to our existing team I don't get why people p/media/critics think we are automatically out of the playoffs adding some of those pieces to a decent core would still keep us in contention for the playoffs or worst case scenario we get into the lottery. It's a win either way cause let face it nobody expected the Spurs to win us another chip this year. What we do have on the line is the record breaking streak of playoffs for 22 years straight if we made it we break it but big picture what's more important?

[tbdog]

You can't think it's either championship contention or lottery. It's just the wrong way to ever look at it that way. You need playoff experience and most importantly, playoff loses to build a contender.

[Dejounte]

One more week!!!

[FutureMan]

You can't think it's either championship contention or lottery. It's just the wrong way to ever look at it that way. You need playoff experience and most importantly, playoff loses to build a contender.

Contention or lottery seems to be the way things are done now though. Especially if you do/don’t have a player to build around. Spurs don’t, that’s for sure.

[look_at_g_shred]

Mills isn't as much of a problem as much as he was in the past. This teams' real problem other than the obvious lms/ddr duo are Gay, Forbes, and Beli. If we could just get rid of those 3 at the deadline, this current team could benefit from it.

[DPG21920]

You can't think it's either championship contention or lottery. It's just the wrong way to ever look at it that way. You need playoff experience and most importantly, playoff loses to build a contender.

I agree. To a certain extent. It should not be “contender” or bust. But it also should not be arbitrary “playoffs” as a goal either. You can’t always build a legit contender and that should be understood by every fan. But building a quality, solid playoff team? Yes, that should be the goal of every organization.

But just making the playoffs when it’s something over half the league gets is not a real goal if you dont have a good team or a future with your team.

If you aren’t willing to invest into your team to keep building a more winning club, you need to make changes. Having a losing record, despite the fact that it might get you the 8th seed is no ok.

[spurspl]

Spurs won't commit to a rebuild because we can at any time, start a rebuild. Despite what people think, we have some good players, young and vets.
we have what???

[8FOR!3]

I agree. To a certain extent. It should not be “contender” or bust. But it also should not be arbitrary “playoffs” as a goal either. You can’t always build a legit contender and that should be understood by every fan. But building a quality, solid playoff team? Yes, that should be the goal of every organization.

But just making the playoffs when it’s something over half the league gets is not a real goal if you dont have a good team or a future with your team.

If you aren’t willing to invest into your team to keep building a more winning club, you need to make changes. Having a losing record, despite the fact that it might get you the 8th seed is no ok.

I mean Murray/Walker/KJ/Luka are all still legit prospects. Murray might take a season or two before he starts to click coming off that injury. Derrick White to an extent is to. One thing I’d consider is if I can turn Murray or White at some point into a George Hill kind of trade for a wing prospect I MIGHT do it. It’s just so early bc with Murray’s first season coming off that injury you really still don’t know what his upside is. So idk which one I’d trade. I think White went through a stretch last year though where his upside looked a lot higher than Hill’s ever was. That said, White was older coming into the league and idk how much better he’s going to get

[spurspl]

I mean Murray/Walker/KJ/Luka are all still legit prospects. Murray might take a season or two before he starts to click coming off that injury. Derrick White to an extent is to. One thing I’d consider is if I can turn Murray or White at some point into a George Hill kind of trade for a wing prospect I MIGHT do it. It’s just so early bc with Murray’s first season coming off that injury you really still don’t know what his upside is. So idk which one I’d trade. I think White went through a stretch last year though where his upside looked a lot higher than Hill’s ever was. That said, White was older coming into the league and idk how much better he’s going to get
i wouldnt be so high on djm. Did he show sth else than before an injury? Did he improve 3pt shooting or playmaking? no, not even slightly. He is and very probably will be just a decent def guard with pretty well penetrating skills

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

i wouldnt be so high on djm. Did he show sth else than before an injury? Did he improve 3pt shooting or playmaking? no, not even slightly. He is and very probably will be just a decent def guard with pretty well penetrating skills

Uh of course he has improved - his shooting percentages from everywhere are way up ( except for 3-10 feet distance ), his TS%, EFG% and assist to turnover have all increased too. If you expected him to become a volume 40% 3pt shooter then your expectations are wrong, not his improvements, which are objectively a fact.

[spurspl]

Uh of course he has improved - his shooting percentages from everywhere are way up ( except for 3-10 feet distance ), his TS%, EFG% and assist to turnover have all increased too. If you expected him to become a volume 40% 3pt shooter then your expectations are wrong, not his improvements, which are objectively a fact.

still not enough to expect him as a future star. Hes good but need to be surrounded by 3pt shooters.

spurs: otto porter/bogdanovic/barnes/markannen
bulls: lma/beli/forbes +(pick?)
kings: ddr/caroll/metu (+pick?)

murray/bogdanovic/otto porter/markannen/poeltl

then murray can be superefficient with two 3pt shooters and two bigs with whom he could play pickandroll/penetrate the rim etc.

[Chinook]

Horrible trade, once again.

[spurspl]

Horrible trade, once again.

tell me why sherlock

[DPG21920]

Horrible trade, once again.

If SA trades, what do you think they should do. Should it be a trade to win now and sacrifice youth/picks for that? Or should it be more future oriented with getting picks where you can and young talent for LMA/DeRozan/Rudy?

[sasaint]

tell me why sherlock

It's not horrible, just terribly unrealistic - video game number of players being exchanged for a team that loathes making ANY trade.

[Chinook]

tell me why sherlock

That you have the Spurs adding two picks while trading their best two players is all you need to know. It doesn't take a detective to see an awful deal when it's presented so cavalierly

[spurspl]

It's not horrible, just terribly unrealistic - video game number of players being exchanged for a team that loathes making ANY trade.

there were a 3 teams trades proposals with more players included on this forum and noone said that...
imo bulls and kings would take that deal. SA probably not bc patfo are too stupid to understand that spurs need to rebuild.

[Chinook]

If SA trades, what do you think they should do. Should it be a trade to win now and sacrifice youth/picks for that? Or should it be more future oriented with getting picks where you can and young talent for LMA/DeRozan/Rudy?

PATFO should know who they're blue-chippers are at this point. Protect those and trade the others for a legit upgrade if you can do so without overpaying. I don't consider Gay part of the core. Even in a "win-now" context, I'd strongly consider moving him for value if such a trade is possible.

[spurspl]

That you have the Spurs adding two picks while trading their best two players is all you need to know. It doesn't take a detective to see an awful deal when it's presented so cavalierly
these picks are optional. These two "best" players probably wont be here when their contract expires. I can sacrifice one 2020 1st pick (weak draft, u wont get anyone better) and one future 2nd pick to get lauri and bogdanovic in long term. If u play it smart u can have murray/walker/bogdanovic/markannen/poeltl for years.

[Chinook]

these picks are optional. These two "best" players probably wont be here when their contract expires. I can sacrifice one 2020 1st pick (weak draft, u wont get anyone better) and one future 2nd pick to get lauri and bogdanovic in long term. If u play it smart u can have murray/walker/bogdanovic/markannen/poeltl for years.

No, the picks aren't optional. They're stupid as shit. If SA is rebuilding, they have no business giving up picks. They get middle-aged players with little upside. Outside of Markannen, who isn't really all that either.

It's just ghastly, dude. They'd get better just letting guys walk and using cap space than this.

[Chinook]

That doesn't even mention that it's dumb to want a "young core" starting five. A foundation is one, two or maaaaaybe three players. Those guys have to be good, then you fill it out with role-players. There's no point in being young at every position.

[spurspl]

No, the picks aren't optional. They're stupid as shit. If SA is rebuilding, they have no business giving up picks. They get middle-aged players with little upside. Outside of Markannen, who isn't really all that either.

It's just ghastly, dude. They'd get better just letting guys walk and using cap space than this.

dude 1)we wont get anyone better via this draft then these boys 2) we have enough young guys now. Dont need more of then unless its a rookie like doncic but there is noone like him in upcoming draft.

[spurspl]

That doesn't even mention that it's dumb to want a "young core" starting five. A foundation is one, two or maaaaaybe three players. Those guys have to be good, then you fill it out with role-players. There's no point in being young at every position.

u would still have gay, mills, barnes and bogdanovic isnt so young, hes middle aged player. Plus u can aleays add some veterans during FA which is much more easier than signing big names for the spurs.

[mo7888]

dude 1)we wont get anyone better via this draft then these boys 2) we have enough young guys now. Dont need more of then unless its a rookie like doncic but there is noone like him in upcoming draft.

Nobody in this draft (in the range we're talking about) is better than the guys in your trade but that's not the point. The point is twofold- 1) the young guys in the draft in our range have the upside to be better than the incoming guys in your trade but the main thing is 2) the guys you're bringing in aren't as good as the guys were sending out and we are paying (draft picks) for the privilege.

You pick a lane...either trade peripheral pieces and picks to upgrade around DDR and LMA or trade DDR, LMA, Gay etc for space and picks or young players (which is my preference). Either way...we should pick lane and go with it..

[DPG21920]

PATFO should know who they're blue-chippers are at this point. Protect those and trade the others for a legit upgrade if you can do so without overpaying. I don't consider Gay part of the core. Even in a "win-now" context, I'd strongly consider moving him for value if such a trade is possible.

Sure, but it sounds like you think SA should keep LMA and/or DeRozan and move the other pieces to rebuild around one or both vs trading LMA and DeRozan?

[tbdog]

Contention or lottery seems to be the way things are done now though. Especially if you do/don’t have a player to build around. Spurs don’t, that’s for sure.

Not true.

[K...]

Nobody in this draft (in the range we're talking about) is better than the guys in your trade but that's not the point. The point is twofold- 1) the young guys in the draft in our range have the upside to be better than the incoming guys in your trade but the main thing is 2) the guys you're bringing in aren't as good as the guys were sending out and we are paying (draft picks) for the privilege.

You pick a lane...either trade peripheral pieces and picks to upgrade around DDR and LMA or trade DDR, LMA, Gay etc for space and picks or young players (which is my preference). Either way...we should pick lane and go with it..

Option 2, none of it, wait for the big 2 to retire, and go youth then. Promote Forbes to coach.


Advantages: continuity, no bad contracts, preserves options to tank or sign
new role players

[Chinook]

Sure, but it sounds like you think SA should keep LMA and/or DeRozan and move the other pieces to rebuild around one or both vs trading LMA and DeRozan?

I think you're using stronger language than I'd want to. I see it more like upgrading the talent level of the roster while making the players still on the team fit better. Yes, that means you think of LMA and DMDR as your best players, but you don't move your best prospects just because they aren't ideal fits next to those two.

[spurspl]

Nobody in this draft (in the range we're talking about) is better than the guys in your trade but that's not the point. The point is twofold- 1) the young guys in the draft in our range have the upside to be better than the incoming guys in your trade but the main thing is 2) the guys you're bringing in aren't as good as the guys were sending out and we are paying (draft picks) for the privilege.

You pick a lane...either trade peripheral pieces and picks to upgrade around DDR and LMA or trade DDR, LMA, Gay etc for space and picks or young players (which is my preference). Either way...we should pick lane and go with it..

u have really strong faith that 15-20th pick player could become better than bogdanovic or lauri. So it means that u wouldnt do a hipothetical trade swap bogdanovic for keldon or lauri for luka samanic??

[K...]

Picks aren't just better because of potential upside, but they stay cost controlled longer than what your getting for trade. The Spurs aren't in particularly bad shape cap wise, but no reason to take more prospects if they're not going to be cheap over there same period

[UnWantedTheory]

still not enough to expect him as a future star. Hes good but need to be surrounded by 3pt shooters.

spurs: otto porter/bogdanovic/barnes/markannen
bulls: lma/beli/forbes +(pick?)
kings: ddr/caroll/metu (+pick?)

murray/bogdanovic/otto porter/markannen/poeltl

then murray can be superefficient with two 3pt shooters and two bigs with whom he could play pickandroll/penetrate the rim etc.

Yeah giving away picks to remain mediocre is the perfect road to a rebuild. :rolleyes

Two roads diverged in a wood, and you, you drove straight into a tree.

[Collins21]

Yeah giving away picks to remain mediocre is the perfect road to a rebuild. :rolleyes

Two roads diverged in a wood, and you, you drove straight into a tree.

I keep saying it that this dude is the dumbest poster on this site all his trade ideas or moronic I think he has to be a little kid or something.

[spurspl]

yeah sure better let ddr and lma go, draft two 15-20th players, send them to g league and overpay old veterans during free agency bc noone good come here to play. Great idea to rebuild guys...

[mo7888]

u have really strong faith that 15-20th pick player could become better than bogdanovic or lauri. So it means that u wouldnt do a hipothetical trade swap bogdanovic for keldon or lauri for luka samanic??

I dont have strong faith in any 15th pick being better than than the guys mentioned but, they have a chance to be whereas they players mentioned are are as good as they ever will be (known quantities).

[spurspl]

I dont have strong faith in any 15th pick being better than than the guys mentioned but, they have a chance to be whereas they players mentioned are are as good as they ever will be (known quantities).

ok so when keldon become better than bogdanovic or samanic better than lauri call me ;)

[TimDunkem]

Whatever you do, don't trade your first rounders regardless of what you think of this draft class unless you have an absurd offer you can't refuse.

[Chinook]

Getting better than mediocre isn't that hard, especially with max cap space. Shit, they're mediocre now without gicing up anything.

[RC_Drunkford]

All these trade scenarios here are retarded. People here want to trade the 2 best players on the team for more garbage. This roster is trash, but if you don't get a star or top 5 pick back for DeRozan or Aldridge then you don't trade them and you certainly don't trade them for Drummond, Aaron Gordon or Justice Winslow.

This team has enough youth. What they should do is improve the starting line up by moving the real garbage. That is Rudy Gay, Demarre Carroll, Trey Lyles, Marco Belinelli and Bryn Forbes. There are a few players out there who are not really doing to well on other teams, but would fit way better on the current Spurs team and start right away. That's what they should do. Now if you have to bundle the garbage with one young prospect who comes off the bench to improve the starting line up then you might do it if the return is right. That's what the George Hill trade was. Spurs moved a good bench player for a player who can start at a position of need and had upside.

Like if Atlanta wants Poeltl and you can get Hunter back in a deal that might be worth it depending on who else is included. But I don't see any package out there that improves the team by trading LA or Demar. All these proposals make the team worse while trading one of their 2 best players. Nobody in their right mind would do that. I'd target guys like Bogdanovic, Thad Young, Satoransky, Marvin Williams, Covington and see if it's possible to put a reasonable package together to get one of them.

[Robz4000]

Getting better than mediocre isn't that hard, especially with max cap space. Shit, they're mediocre now without gicing up anything.

Problem is, no one who can get them better than mediocre is coming here even with max cap space.

[Collins21]

Whatever you do, don't trade your first rounders regardless of what you think of this draft class unless you have an absurd offer you can't refuse.

I think yesterday you and I agreed that a first round ick for Bogdanovich would be worth it. However I would give up a first for Beasley as well because I feel he he has upside as well.

[TimDunkem]

I think yesterday you and I agreed that a first round ick for Bogdanovich would be worth it. However I would give up a first for Beasley as well because I feel he he has upside as well.

I would. He has 6th moty potential, imho. There are deals the Spurs COULD offer that wouldn't require a 1st, but they wouldn't do them.

I think Beasley could be had for a second rounder or two + Forbes. If it came to that and a 1st for Bogdanovic, then I would then go for Beasley. Again, that would take a smart FO that isn't happy with trash like Forbes.

[Chinook]

Problem is, no one who can get them better than mediocre is coming here even with max cap space.

They aren't likely to get a franchise player in free agency, true. But they can combine good drafting and other moves to be a top-four seed ala Utah last year. That's a way better plan than selling All-NBA types and picks for players the caliber of which the team could easily draw in free agency.

[Chinook]

1) The team doesn't have enough youth. No one on the roster deserves to be consider part of a real "young core". Maybe there are enough players on the roster who are young, but they can certainly stand to swap some of those parts out for better ones.

2) Trading AWAY players is almost always dumb. The team shouldn't be trying to trade guys like Forbes, Beli, whatever. They should be looking to acquire players or assets with those guys as ballast. You're not going to build a good team if you're only willing to move on from your bad players. If those guys really suck, then just don't play them. Pop apparently knows how to do that with Carroll.

[FutureMan]

Not true.

Which part do you believe isn’t true? Tanking or contention is the way the league is or the Spurs don’t have a player to build around? Both?? Regardless, to blatantly respond with “not true” with so many examples would be unwise. Trust the process lol

[gambit1990]

what i find interesting is that despite demar's improved play as of late... i haven't come across any reports of teams being more interested in him.

[DPG21920]

what i find interesting is that despite demar's improved play as of late... i haven't come across any reports of teams being more interested in him.

Combo of 2 things: SA is quieter than most and SA likely isn’t that interested in moving DeRozan

[poopbox]

All these trade scenarios here are retarded. People here want to trade the 2 best players on the team for more garbage. This roster is trash, but if you don't get a star or top 5 pick back for DeRozan or Aldridge then you don't trade them and you certainly don't trade them for Drummond, Aaron Gordon or Justice Winslow.

This team has enough youth. What they should do is improve the starting line up by moving the real garbage. That is Rudy Gay, Demarre Carroll, Trey Lyles, Marco Belinelli and Bryn Forbes. There are a few players out there who are not really doing to well on other teams, but would fit way better on the current Spurs team and start right away. That's what they should do. Now if you have to bundle the garbage with one young prospect who comes off the bench to improve the starting line up then you might do it if the return is right. That's what the George Hill trade was. Spurs moved a good bench player for a player who can start at a position of need and had upside.

Like if Atlanta wants Poeltl and you can get Hunter back in a deal that might be worth it depending on who else is included. But I don't see any package out there that improves the team by trading LA or Demar. All these proposals make the team worse while trading one of their 2 best players. Nobody in their right mind would do that. I'd target guys like Bogdanovic, Thad Young, Satoransky, Marvin Williams, Covington and see if it's possible to put a reasonable package together to get one of them.

So instead of trading demar derozan and getting say a pick betwen 18 - 25 and a younger player on a cheaper contract, you don't trade him and he doesn't pick up is player option and he leaves and all you get for him is the salary relief of him not picking up his option ?

So next year you would rather have no demar instead of next year having say no demar + a young player + whatever pick you get for trading demar ?

I am very confident that if I ask any basketball person if they would rather have aaron gordon and justice winslow or would they rather have demar derozan and lamarcus aldridge, gordon and winslow wins that by a landslide...

[sasaint]

So instead of trading demar derozan and getting say a pick betwen 18 - 25 and a younger player on a cheaper contract, you don't trade him and he doesn't pick up is player option and he leaves and all you get for him is the salary relief of him not picking up his option ?

So next year you would rather have no demar instead of next year having say no demar + a young player + whatever pick you get for trading demar ?

I am very confident that if I ask any basketball person if they would rather have aaron gordon and justice winslow or would they rather have demar derozan and lamarcus aldridge, gordon and winslow wins that by a landslide...

NO to Winslow.

[gambit1990]

can't believe the deadline is less than a week away. the rest of the season will feel long if spurs don't make a move.

[SpurPadre]

can't believe the deadline is less than a week away. the rest of the season will feel long if spurs don't make a move.

IF?! :lmao

Dude, how long have you been a Spurs fan?!

[gambit1990]

IF?! :lmao

Dude, how long have you been a Spurs fan?!
:lol

i'm trying to speak it into existence.

[Prime BEEF]

Combo of 2 things: SA is quieter than most and SA likely isn’t that interested in moving DeRozan
If the later is true, then you might as well blow up the franchise. Just contract the team and divide up the players and send them out to other teams

[Prime BEEF]

Whatever you do, don't trade your first rounders regardless of what you think of this draft class unless you have an absurd offer you can't refuse.
I agree with this. But Don’t think the FO will pick well

[Prime BEEF]

can't believe the deadline is less than a week away. the rest of the season will feel long if spurs don't make a move.
They wont and the irrelevance of the franchise will be sealed for the foreseeable future.

[gambit1990]

i'd do something like: demar, rudy, trey, jakob, bryn, 2020 1st round pick for barnes, dedmon, bogdanovic, and hield.

SL of: murray / hield / barnes / la / dedmon... to go along with bogdan, white, lonnie, patty. would still need another big but that team could make the POs, easy.

not a big barnes fan but his contract is worth hield and bogdan's contracts.

worse case scenario: spurs go into the offseason with better trade assets than they have now... they could even try moving barnes with patty's expiring contract.

[stu scotts eye]

We really blew it losing the 3 games in a row last week. Look at how brutal our next 10 are.

[Chinook]

Which part do you believe isn’t true? Tanking or contention is the way the league is or the Spurs don’t have a player to build around? Both?? Regardless, to blatantly respond with “not true” with so many examples would be unwise. Trust the process lol

It's not actually true, so I guess the answer would be the the whole part.

[TimDunkem]

I agree with this. But Don’t think the FO will pick well

Neither do I, but mayble they'll stumble into a good pick again.

[lmbebo]

keep waiting to hear real news or rumors ....

[ZeusWillJudge]

All these trade scenarios here are retarded. People here want to trade the 2 best players on the team for more garbage. This roster is trash, but if you don't get a star or top 5 pick back for DeRozan or Aldridge then you don't trade them and you certainly don't trade them for Drummond, Aaron Gordon or Justice Winslow.

This team has enough youth. What they should do is improve the starting line up by moving the real garbage. That is Rudy Gay, Demarre Carroll, Trey Lyles, Marco Belinelli and Bryn Forbes. There are a few players out there who are not really doing to well on other teams, but would fit way better on the current Spurs team and start right away. That's what they should do. Now if you have to bundle the garbage with one young prospect who comes off the bench to improve the starting line up then you might do it if the return is right. That's what the George Hill trade was. Spurs moved a good bench player for a player who can start at a position of need and had upside.

Like if Atlanta wants Poeltl and you can get Hunter back in a deal that might be worth it depending on who else is included. But I don't see any package out there that improves the team by trading LA or Demar. All these proposals make the team worse while trading one of their 2 best players. Nobody in their right mind would do that. I'd target guys like Bogdanovic, Thad Young, Satoransky, Marvin Williams, Covington and see if it's possible to put a reasonable package together to get one of them.

You know, I agree with a lot of what you say. But you also have to pay attention to the fact that DDR will probably opt out this season unless the Spurs throw a lot of money at him. And Aldridge is very likely gone the next year, unless the Spurs give him too much money to stay. So saying that the team "has" either one of them is a stretch. You can't build around players who aren't here.

Aldridge will be 35 next season. No matter how much you would like him to stay 30 forever, he won't. Hhe's not a player you can build around for more than a year or two. If the Spurs can get any kind of value for him, they probably should. But I have my doubts that is possible. So you just have to face the idea that he's gone soon. And if that's true, they should be proactive and move on. Because they sure as shit aren't challenging in the West in that short time span.

[FutureMan]

It's not actually true, so I guess the answer would be the the whole part.
This should be good... so which player are the Spurs suppose to build around?

[Dejounte]

MoSpur02 no rumors?

[tbdog]

Which part do you believe isn’t true? Tanking or contention is the way the league is or the Spurs don’t have a player to build around? Both?? Regardless, to blatantly respond with “not true” with so many examples would be unwise. Trust the process lol

All of it. Tanking isn't a guaranteed contention. There is more to sports than winning it all. Spurs may very well have players to build around.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So instead of trading demar derozan and getting say a pick betwen 18 - 25 and a younger player on a cheaper contract, you don't trade him and he doesn't pick up is player option and he leaves and all you get for him is the salary relief of him not picking up his option ?

So next year you would rather have no demar instead of next year having say no demar + a young player + whatever pick you get for trading demar ?

We don't even know if anyone would offer such picks for DDR but not trading him now doesn't mean you can't use him in the summer in a sign and trade, or use the cap space to absorb a contract and a similar pick in a true rebuilding fashion, should he just walk. So yea, unless it's a no brainer deal there's a good reason to keep him.


I am very confident that if I ask any basketball person if they would rather have aaron gordon and justice winslow or would they rather have demar derozan and lamarcus aldridge, gordon and winslow wins that by a landslide...

Lots of idiots, why would you ask them? DDR and LMA are way better in every way.

[cd021]

i'd do something like: demar, rudy, trey, jakob, bryn, 2020 1st round pick for barnes, dedmon, bogdanovic, and hield.

SL of: murray / hield / barnes / la / dedmon... to go along with bogdan, white, lonnie, patty. would still need another big but that team could make the POs, easy.

not a big barnes fan but his contract is worth hield and bogdan's contracts.

worse case scenario: spurs go into the offseason with better trade assets than they have now... they could even try moving barnes with patty's expiring contract.

9 player trades are exceedingly rare tbh. With all of the money made between those 9 players, no way a deal anywhere near this scale gets done.

Also, the Spurs would be giving up the best player in the deal so why would they give up a first plus Poeltl and have to take back two bad contracts?

[Ignazzz]

We don't even know if anyone would offer such picks for DDR but not trading him now doesn't mean you can't use him in the summer in a sign and trade, or use the cap space to absorb a contract and a similar pick in a true rebuilding fashion, should he just walk. So yea, unless it's a no brainer deal there's a good reason to keep him.



Lots of idiots, why would you ask them? DDR and LMA are way better in every way.
Agree with one exception. Keeping now DDR in team without PO is loss. It can bring us #12-14 pick only. So imo spurs should decide now right or left. Selling best player now can help with better pick. Selling him in summer is not bad but for sure not best scenario. Left or right dear spurs.

make team better or weaker. For PO push or for better pick. Keeping Status quo in spurs situation is bad idea

[Maddog]

I suspect nothing happens. However it may not be the Spurs fault. They may try, but not get anything done.
Trading just to trade isn't always a plus

[spurspl]

I suspect nothing happens. However it may not be the Spurs fault. They may try, but not get anything done.
Trading just to trade isn't always a plus
i think that spurs wanna too much in return like always

[mo7888]

ok so when keldon become better than bogdanovic or samanic better than lauri call me ;)

Actually...when porter + barnes + laurie + 3 months of bogdanovic at a reasonable rate become as valuable as LMA + DDR + 2 1sts....call me...

[cd98]

Spurs probably have no reason to trade. If you can’t get 1st round picks, no sense in trading DeMar it LMA or anyone else. You see if the team makes the playoffs. If they do, DeMar probably gets resigned and they run it back again. If not, during the summer they probably let him walk.

But most fans that buy tickets would rather see DeMar play and score 30 on good efficiency than watch young players lose by 40 and turn the ball over and shoot low percentages. Anyone that thinks we have young all stars on our team is kidding themselves. The next great Spur has yet to be drafted.

[spurspl]

Actually...when porter + barnes + laurie + 3 months of bogdanovic at a reasonable rate become as valuable as LMA + DDR + 2 1sts....call me...

first of all i didnt say 2 1sts, second of all doing this trade u have to be sure that bogdanovic wants to sign with spurs if not thats not worth.

[spurspl]

Spurs probably have no reason to trade. If you can’t get 1st round picks, no sense in trading DeMar it LMA or anyone else. You see if the team makes the playoffs. If they do, DeMar probably gets resigned and they run it back again. If not, during the summer they probably let him walk.

But most fans that buy tickets would rather see DeMar play and score 30 on good efficiency than watch young players lose by 40 and turn the ball over and shoot low percentages. Anyone that thinks we have young all stars on our team is kidding themselves. The next great Spur has yet to be drafted.

letting them go away for nothing is the worst thing spurs can do.
agree that we dont have any future all star. Thats why its important to use ddr/lma to get young prospect and tank this season to have top pick.

[dbestpro]

They will trade a 1st for salary relief to acquire a vet. After the first deal is done the vet will say he does not want to be coached by Pop and the second deal will collapse.

[Chinook]

This should be good... so which player are the Spurs suppose to build around?

Honestly, the idea of "building around" guys is pretty much pointless. They should be trying to be the best team they can without trading away their best prospects and picks. They don't have a franchise player, but teams really haven't had luck tanking for those anyway. If you're a bad team who drafts a good player, you're more likely to suck or be mediocre for years even with that player and end up losing them than turn into a contender.

[JeffDuncan]

Honestly, the idea of "building around" guys is pretty much pointless. ...



In addition to what you mention, there's the risk of a player getting hurt. Try to build around a player whose achilles tendon ruptures, and the whole plan collapses. The sensible approach is to evaluate players independently, for what each player can do, himself.

[spurspl]

Honestly, the idea of "building around" guys is pretty much pointless. They should be trying to be the best team they can without trading away their best prospects and picks. They don't have a franchise player, but teams really haven't had luck tanking for those anyway. If you're a bad team who drafts a good player, you're more likely to suck or be mediocre for years even with that player and end up losing them than turn into a contender.

ok so whats ur plan for the spurs? because once u said that we should keep our best prospects and picks but dont wanna tank for top rookies... that makes non sense. If nothing change spurs will be mediocre team forever.

[spurspl]

This should be good... so which player are the Spurs suppose to build around?
noone in spurs roster is a player we can build around. The only way of getting this kind of player is via trade or draft. For now it doesnt seem like spurs tank so all hope in trades. Its sad that most of ppl here dont understand this and prefer to keep lma/ddr and let them go for nothing next season.

[cd98]

Can you get a first round pick for DDR or LMA? I think no. So probably no reason to trade them for a player other teams don’t want.

Like it or not, to be good in this league, you got to get lucky in drafting. The best chance is the lottery.

if you LA, then you got a shot at attracting stars, but otherwise, you have to build from within by drafting good players and hoping one becomes a star.

[spurspl]

Can you get a first round pick for DDR or LMA? I think no. So probably no reason to trade them for a player other teams don’t want.

Like it or not, to be good in this league, you got to get lucky in drafting. The best chance is the lottery.

if you LA, then you got a shot at attracting stars, but otherwise, you have to build from within by drafting good players and hoping one becomes a star.

agree but spurs dont even try to get these lottery picks and thats the problem.

[FutureMan]

Honestly, the idea of "building around" guys is pretty much pointless. They should be trying to be the best team they can without trading away their best prospects and picks. They don't have a franchise player, but teams really haven't had luck tanking for those anyway. If you're a bad team who drafts a good player, you're more likely to suck or be mediocre for years even with that player and end up losing them than turn into a contender.

Building around guys is how championship teams are created. To prove my point with examples of teams tanking and/or contending you can see the effect of the Lebron teams. Even the Warriors are tanking right now (I’m aware people are injured but I don’t believe in coincidences). So that’s the Lakers, Warriors, Cavs, Spurs tanked and then we’re contenders for years. All these teams were built around top ten players on the league, franchise players.

To be clear I’m not saying the answer is to tank. But if you have to do it for a year to get that franchise player then do it. If you have to trade pieces to get a top ten player, do it. This team is going to be in serious trouble going forward without that pivotal player. This is the NBA we are talking about. They will never let anyone win without that player. They need something to sell.

[spurspl]

Building around guys is how championship teams are created. To prove my point with examples of teams tanking and/or contending you can see the effect of the Lebron teams. Even the Warriors are tanking right now (I’m aware people are injured but I don’t believe in coincidences). So that’s the Lakers, Warriors, Cavs, Spurs tanked and then we’re contenders for years. All these teams were built around top ten players on the league, franchise players.

To be clear I’m not saying the answer is to tank. But if you have to do it for a year to get that franchise player then do it. If you have to trade pieces to get a top ten player, do it. This team is going to be in serious trouble going forward without that pivotal player. This is the NBA we are talking about. They will never let anyone win without that player. They need something to sell.

E X A C T L Y. Chinook like tons of fans here doesnt understand that :c

[MoSpur02]

MoSpur02 no rumors?

Actually got news today that the Spurs are looking to trade Belinelli. Literally heard that about an hour ago.

[SpursDynasty85]

Actually got news today that the Spurs are looking to trade Belinelli. Literally heard that about an hour ago.

Thanks for yiur updates. I think everyone knew this was coming. Might ha e to pkg him with something to make spmething work though.

[NASpurs]

Actually got news today that the Spurs are looking to trade Belinelli. Literally heard that about an hour ago.

prayingdog.jpg “please package him with Forbes to ‘sweeten’ a deal”

[MoSpur02]

I got really excited when I heard. Of course doesn’t mean that a trade is guaranteed, but they are at least looking into moving him outta here. Didn’t hear anything on Forbes, but Belinelli might have to be packaged with someone else for a team to take on Belinelli.

[RC_Drunkford]

I got really excited when I heard. Of course doesn’t mean that a trade is guaranteed, but they are at least looking into moving him outta here. Didn’t hear anything on Forbes, but Belinelli might have to be packaged with someone else for a team to take on Belinelli.

what's so exciting about that? If I remember correctly they tried to do the same at the start of the season and ended up not doing anything. There is nothing out there that you could get back for a washed up Belinelli that would improve the team. I'd love for him to be gone, but the return would probably equal to nothing.

[DavidTheGoliath]

I got really excited when I heard. Of course doesn’t mean that a trade is guaranteed, but they are at least looking into moving him outta here. Didn’t hear anything on Forbes, but Belinelli might have to be packaged with someone else for a team to take on Belinelli.

Fck. Im cool with beli. Its bryck who i wanted to be traded.

[poopbox]

We don't even know if anyone would offer such picks for DDR but not trading him now doesn't mean you can't use him in the summer in a sign and trade, or use the cap space to absorb a contract and a similar pick in a true rebuilding fashion, should he just walk. So yea, unless it's a no brainer deal there's a good reason to keep him.



Lots of idiots, why would you ask them? DDR and LMA are way better in every way.

Why would he do a sign and trade when he could just opt out and leave and make the exact same money? Is he going to do a sign and trade because he loves the spurs that much?

[talkspurs]

So that’s the Lakers, Warriors, Cavs, Spurs tanked and then we’re contenders for years. All these teams were built around top ten players on the league, franchise players.



Lakers Brought in Shaqu and kobe was the 13th pick. Not really either was a high draft pick with the team. Their current team Lehype and AD we drafted by other teams.
Warriors steph 7th, Klay 11th, Green 35th. While 2 are lottery none of them were top (1st 2nd) picks.
Cavs you have more of a point with Lehpe but he also left and they got more 1st then he came back to win So he probably would not have won if he stayed there.
Spurs Duncan top pick but they also had tony and Manu that helped them win.

A good pick can definitely help but you still need to be able to draft well and probably find a good player later.

[cd98]

I got really excited when I heard. Of course doesn’t mean that a trade is guaranteed, but they are at least looking into moving him outta here. Didn’t hear anything on Forbes, but Belinelli might have to be packaged with someone else for a team to take on Belinelli.

I've always thought that if there was a trade that would be it. The Spurs are trying to free up space for Walker and Belinelli, as horrid as his defense is, has value in this league as a shooter. I guarantee that all the contenders would love for the Spurs to buy him out and they would be all over signing him. But if the Spurs can get something for him, no reason to go that route.

[spurspl]

I've always thought that if there was a trade that would be it. The Spurs are trying to free up space for Walker and Belinelli, as horrid as his defense is, has value in this league as a shooter. I guarantee that all the contenders would love for the Spurs to buy him out and they would be all over signing him. But if the Spurs can get something for him, no reason to go that route.

contenders u say? maybe philla? id love to somehow get mattise thybulle

[Chinook]

The Warriors only tanked once, and that was for Harrison Barnes of all people. People confuse being bad like tanking. There's a big difference between trading picks over and over in order to get an eight-seed (kinda like what Philly and Memphis did for years) and developing while still getting high picks. The real issue is going to be PATFO's ability to identify and acquire stars when they can. SGA sure looks like a great guard, and PATFO could have had him and more but were only willing to trade for a pick if it led to Doncic. Maybe that was defensible, but they'll be in positions to get really good players even in the lower lottery, but they'll need to find them like they did with Kawhi.

[Chillen]

Actually got news today that the Spurs are looking to trade Belinelli. Literally heard that about an hour ago.

I wonder if Detroit would take Marco for Derrick Rose.

[EasyMoney]

Over the passed 365 days:

Lakers traded for Anthony Davis
Clippers signed kawhi and traded for Paul George
Rockets traded for Westbrook(although some would say it was a lateral move)
Mavericks traded for kristaps porzingis
Utah traded for Mike conley
OKC traded for Chris paul, SGA and gallonari
Portland traded for Whiteside
Phoenix signed Ricky Rubio and traded for Kelly oubre(this was a little bit outside the 365 day window)
Denver traded for jerami Grant and is using Michael Porter jr effectively and letting him grow.

All these teams in the west have made moves to bolster their chances of competing in the west. While all San Antonio has done during this time was sign demarre Carroll, whom pop has not even cared to use. They did at least try with signing Morris but it backfired in his face

[spurspl]

Over the passed 365 days:

Lakers traded for Anthony Davis
Clippers signed kawhi and traded for Paul George
Rockets traded for Westbrook(although some would say it was a lateral move)
Mavericks traded for kristaps porzingis
Utah traded for Mike conley
OKC traded for Chris paul, SGA and gallonari
Portland traded for Whiteside
Phoenix signed Ricky Rubio and traded for Kelly oubre(this was a little bit outside the 365 day window)
Denver traded for jerami Grant and is using Michael Porter jr effectively and letting him grow.

All these teams in the west have made moves to bolster their chances of competing in the west. While all San Antonio has done during this time was sign demarre Carroll, whom pop has not even cared to use. They did at least try with signing Morris but it backfired in his face
as chinook-type fans here were saying before season, we dont need changes bc we r contenders xd

[MoSpur02]

what's so exciting about that? If I remember correctly they tried to do the same at the start of the season and ended up not doing anything. There is nothing out there that you could get back for a washed up Belinelli that would improve the team. I'd love for him to be gone, but the return would probably equal to nothing.

Because it probably means more than 12-15 minutes for Walker if they let Marco go.

[Collins21]

and dumb ass people like you keep wanting to trade for players who are worse than the ones we already have. If Drummond was so good why has Detroit sucked with him on the roster. Lauri Markennen who you want to trade for has been injured every year he's been in the league. The only trade the Spurs need to execute to make this team better is to try and trade for a young player headed for restricted free agency. They should try to trade for Bogdanovic or Beasley. You're a dumb ass who suggested that they could get Thybulle for belinelli!!!!

[B1gduff]

The AD trade was a win win for both sides.
Clips seem to be having club room issue
Still don't like the westbrrok trade. The thunder's a game being the Rockets
Kp trade is a good trade for the Mav, but he's being under performing
Conley has underperformed
OKC had a player, that was sign to a 4 year deal, that was didn't try to ruin his trade value.
Whiteside,,is blah
Rubi and Oubre was a nice trade for the Suns

[Chillen]

Over the passed 365 days:

Lakers traded for Anthony Davis
Clippers signed kawhi and traded for Paul George
Rockets traded for Westbrook(although some would say it was a lateral move)
Mavericks traded for kristaps porzingis
Utah traded for Mike conley
OKC traded for Chris paul, SGA and gallonari
Portland traded for Whiteside
Phoenix signed Ricky Rubio and traded for Kelly oubre(this was a little bit outside the 365 day window)
Denver traded for jerami Grant and is using Michael Porter jr effectively and letting him grow.

All these teams in the west have made moves to bolster their chances of competing in the west. While all San Antonio has done during this time was sign demarre Carroll, whom pop has not even cared to use. They did at least try with signing Morris but it backfired in his face

Those teams have more pieces than the Spurs do. They have not made any big trades because they don't have the pieces. They likely could have traded for Westbrook if OKC took Aldridge or DeMar or CP3 if Houston wanted DeMar, but that's it.

I don't see a trade out there that makes the Spurs significantly better this season. That's not to say they shouldn't be looking at trading players, they absolutely should.

I also hope they try and get something for DeMar instead of letting him walk if they don't resign him.

There's no star player out there the Spurs can trade for to come in and bring us back to a championship.

Spurs lack of moves over the years except for Kawhi trade and LMA signing, coming back to bite them in the butt.
The Morris deal and trading Bertans for nothing was so embarrassing for the Spurs franchise.

OKC is not going to trade CP3 now, their record is to good and Spurs need to think what they can do to turn this thing around.

[sasaint]

I wonder if Detroit would take Marco for Derrick Rose.

Why would Detroit do that? You don't think they could do better than Marco?

[spurspl]

and dumb ass people like you keep wanting to trade for players who are worse than the ones we already have. If Drummond was so good why has Detroit sucked with him on the roster. Lauri Markennen who you want to trade for has been injured every year he's been in the league. The only trade the Spurs need to execute to make this team better is to try and trade for a young player headed for restricted free agency. They should try to trade for Bogdanovic or Beasley. You're a dumb ass who suggested that they could get Thybulle for belinelli!!!!
we suck with ddr and lma...drummond is younger and more perspective.
i proposed bogdanovic so ur friends laughed at me lol
its obvious ,u dumb, that they wont ever do a beli-thybulle swap and i dont mention about it anywhere. I meant to do a package with belli for a pachage with thybulle... u so stupid dude

[Collins21]

we suck with ddr and lma...drummond is younger and more perspective.
i proposed bogdanovic so ur friends laughed at me lol
its obvious ,u dumb, that they wont ever do a beli-thybulle swap and i dont mention about it anywhere. I meant to do a package with belli for a pachage with thybulle... u so stupid dude

contenders u say? maybe philla? id love to somehow get mattise thybulle

Now this is what you suggested earlier implying a Marco for thybulle swap.

[RC_Drunkford]

Because it probably means more than 12-15 minutes for Walker if they let Marco go.

fair point



contenders u say? maybe philla? id love to somehow get mattise thybulle

Now this is what you suggested earlier implying a Marco for thybulle swap.

Thybulle would be great in Austin

[spurspl]

contenders u say? maybe philla? id love to somehow get mattise thybulle

Now this is what you suggested earlier implying a Marco for thybulle swap.

magic word my friend "somehow" - it suggests that belli wouldnt be enough to do the trade and u need to think about packaging players to SOMEHOW bring thybulle.

[TimDunkem]

If the Spurs wanted Thybulle then they could've had him. Puka caught their eye instead.

[CGD]

Over the passed 365 days:

Lakers traded for Anthony Davis
Clippers signed kawhi and traded for Paul George
Rockets traded for Westbrook(although some would say it was a lateral move)
Mavericks traded for kristaps porzingis
Utah traded for Mike conley
OKC traded for Chris paul, SGA and gallonari
Portland traded for Whiteside
Phoenix signed Ricky Rubio and traded for Kelly oubre(this was a little bit outside the 365 day window)
Denver traded for jerami Grant and is using Michael Porter jr effectively and letting him grow.

All these teams in the west have made moves to bolster their chances of competing in the west. While all San Antonio has done during this time was sign demarre Carroll, whom pop has not even cared to use. They did at least try with signing Morris but it backfired in his face

And how have those moves worked out for the majority of those teams?

- Whiteside...
- ok so suns moved up to 10th from 15th
- Denver DRAFTED Porter
- OKC wasn’t tying to be good now
- Love Connolly, but Jazz have played better w/o him; he’s not the reason they’re decent
- did the Rockets really upgrade?

I’ll give you the LA Tamperers, and Dallas (Maybe). Are, we sure Dallas being better is really about the 7’3” floor spacer, or just Donic and Carlisle being good at their jobs?



Also, F you Marcus Morris...

[CGD]

If the Spurs wanted Thybulle then they could've had him. Puka caught their eye instead.

Meh, i like Thyblle but he’s got a LONG way to go on offense. And that’s not that great for a 4 year college kid coming to league at 22.

Luka was the exact type of move you make at 19. Low risk high reward/swing for fences. Also, how many 19th picks are still in the league anyway?

For my money, the spurs executed the picking part of the last draft very well.

[tbdog]

And how have those moves worked out for the majority of those teams?

- Whiteside...
- ok so suns moved up to 10th from 15th
- Denver DRAFTED Porter
- OKC wasn’t tying to be good now
- Love Connolly, but Jazz have played better w/o him; he’s not the reason they’re decent
- did the Rockets really upgrade?

I’ll give you the LA Tamperers, and Dallas (Maybe). Are, we sure Dallas being better is really about the 7’3” floor spacer, or just Donic and Carlisle being good at their jobs?



Also, F you Marcus Morris...

Just to add, Cuban really did ruin Dirk's last 8 or so years. After their 2011 title run, he pretty much gutted to the team to make a run for, I think it was Dwight. And it never ventured. He then make desperate attempts by maxing Wes/Parsons/Barnes and going after Jordan. And time and time again, it was a missed playoff after another. It took 3 seasons of lotteries to finally get a world-class player. Then they took a risk of a 7ft3 injury plague player.

[TD 21]

Honestly, the idea of "building around" guys is pretty much pointless. They should be trying to be the best team they can without trading away their best prospects and picks. They don't have a franchise player, but teams really haven't had luck tanking for those anyway. If you're a bad team who drafts a good player, you're more likely to suck or be mediocre for years even with that player and end up losing them than turn into a contender.

Every path is highly unlikely to yield true championship contention, but picking near the top (or bottom, depending on how you view it) for a few years is still the best path to finding the most important piece. Do that and you at least have a roadmap and historically about 7 years before that player wants out.

If hoping to stumble into a franchise player in the late lottery/mid round made sense, the rest of the league wouldn't be trying so hard to avoid it.

Look at the most promising young cores in the league, then look where those teams mostly drafted those players.

[Chillen]

Why would Detroit do that? You don't think they could do better than Marco?

They wouldn't. Spurs could have had Rose though on the cheap I read a rumor he wanted to sign here but they passed. Likely passed on him due to injuries but he seems to be doing well on the hardwood these days so in hindsight kind of silly.

I wouldn't give up to much for Rose in a trade because you never know if those injuries will flare up again. I hope he stays healthy though the rest of his career.

[SPURt]

Why would Detroit do that? You don't think they could do better than Marco?
I read on realgm that Detroit is looking for a first round lottery pick for Rose. They certainly think they could do better than Marco of that is true.

[bluebellmaniac]

agree but spurs dont even try to get these lottery picks and thats the problem.

You have an inside source on this?

[lmbebo]

I read on realgm that Detroit is looking for a first round lottery pick for Rose. They certainly think they could do better than Marco of that is true.


Thats too much for a 10+ year vet playing on a lotto bound team ... Detroit won't get that. Maybe a late 1st if they are lucky

[ace3g]

If Spurs make a trade it better be for a wing/defender not a PG....

[tbdog]

Look at the most promising young cores in the league, then look where those teams mostly drafted those players.

Name them so it can be broken down.

[SPURt]

Thats too much for a 10+ year vet playing on a lotto bound team ... Detroit won't get that. Maybe a late 1st if they are lucky
Totally agree, especially with his injury history. He’s an old 31

[sasaint]

Totally agree, especially with his injury history. He’s an old 31

I don't necessarily want the guy, but he may be on his way to a Vince Carter-lite career.

[palangi]

If the Spurs wanted Thybulle then they could've had him. Puka caught their eye instead.
Huh....I went through our San Antonio and Austin rosters and couldn't find a Puka on or team?
Maybe you're thinking of someone else or being childish and calling somebody a name who isn't even around to defend themselves?
You must be really cool.

[vander]

Huh....I went through our San Antonio and Austin rosters and couldn't find a Puka on or team?
Maybe you're thinking of someone else or being childish and calling somebody a name who isn't even around to defend themselves?
You must be really cool.

This your first day on Spurstalk?

[palangi]

This your first day on Spurstalk?

I see sarcasm is lost on you

[Chillen]

Thats too much for a 10+ year vet playing on a lotto bound team ... Detroit won't get that. Maybe a late 1st if they are lucky

Any team in the NBA can offer a scrub and a future 1st round pick for Rose but it makes no sense for the Spurs to give up a future 1st rounder for Derrick. This team might miss playoffs and they would need that 1st round pick. Marco and a future 2nd round pick I would do and if Detroit says no say have a nice day. I like the idea of starting Rose and benching Forbes.

[spurspl]

You have an inside source on this?

no tanking nor trading assets for potential lottery picks... its enough

[dbestpro]

Teams can get built through trades by adding the right players. I go back to that Piston team that traded superstar Grant Hill. There team consisted of players who were somewhat average or toward the end of their career. Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton, Chancy Billups, and Okur were all added by trade. It is not about finding players, but finding the right players who can play together.

i really thought Carroll would fit that bill, but Pop refuses to give him burn so he need to go priority one. We can be an elite defensive team with a couple more of the right pieces and the removal of minutes to those who cannot or will not play defense.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224131920281374720

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224133493111902208

[gambit1990]

https://i.imgur.com/gaTORYE.png

spurs wouldn't be a laughingstock anymore.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Teams can get built through trades by adding the right players. I go back to that Piston team that traded superstar Grant Hill. There team consisted of players who were somewhat average or toward the end of their career. Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton, Chancy Billups, and Okur were all added by trade. It is not about finding players, but finding the right players who can play together.


What some of you don't seem to get is that before you can trade away a superstar like Grant Hill, you've got to HAVE a superstar like Grant Hill. They got him as the #3 pick in his draft. If you like the fact that they got value for him in a trade, you ought to also recognize that they acquired that value from the draft.

That same Pistons team got a draft steal, finding Mehmet Okur in the second round. But they were in cap hell (sound familiar?) and couldn't afford to keep him. They wound up losing him for nothing in free agency. The Spurs are in cap hell, and have had VERY few trade assets.


Yes, you can build a team through trades. But you can also fuck up a team through trades. That same Detroit team traded Bonzi Wells for jack shit. If they had kept him, they would have been a better team, sooner.

For trade purposes, you can't look at a player's value without also looking at his contract. There's no more valuable trade asset than a really good player on a rookie scale contract. You get those in the draft.

The Spurs are still in cap hell, and don't have many trade assets (whose contracts aren't under water) except for young guys they would like to keep. Nobody is going to take Aldridge and give back something better than Aldridge. So good luck with that trade strategy.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[Degoat]

I’ll be stunned if we make a move, I hope for one but I just can’t see it

[Larry O]

^ Paul Garcia's follow up tweet on Woj's tweet prediction on the Spurs' possible trade scenario with DDR, is something that I can see the Spurs doing this off season. I can see either a sign and trade or a resigning to a new contract if both parties agree to do so. Don't really see any major moves during the season with LMA or DDR. They may just go ahead and ride out this season with what they have, and then make possible big changes this off season. Either way, time will tell. :corn:

[Dejounte]

Use DeRozan to get Miles Turner

Dejounte/ White
Lonnie/ Mills/ Quinndary
Keldon
Aldridge/ Samanic
Poetl/ Turner/ Eubanks

[FkLA]

Just get Covington. Include both Brent and Marco in the trade package and the team ges significantly better, imo.

[talkspurs]

https://i.imgur.com/gaTORYE.png

spurs wouldn't be a laughingstock anymore.

spurs become a bigger laughing stock with this trade. They really dont improve and they give away a better asset in ok rookie pick. While this may not be considered a deep draft they are not always right. drafts have thought to be good and years latter only a few good players and other thought o be nothing and then when you look back have several players from it that are still around playing. Tucker is almost out of the league. Westbook is not a team player and not really young either. How much beter is Capeal then Potel who you are giving up?

[slick'81]

No mention of Forbes by the way


Why would they ? Nobody wants forbbes busted ass

[NASpurs]

This treadmill team is going nowhere and just remain in purgatory hell.

[dbestpro]

What some of you don't seem to get is that before you can trade away a superstar like Grant Hill, you've got to HAVE a superstar like Grant Hill. They got him as the #3 pick in his draft. If you like the fact that they got value for him in a trade, you ought to also recognize that they acquired that value from the draft.

That same Pistons team got a draft steal, finding Mehmet Okur in the second round. But they were in cap hell (sound familiar?) and couldn't afford to keep him. They wound up losing him for nothing in free agency. The Spurs are in cap hell, and have had VERY few trade assets.


Yes, you can build a team through trades. But you can also fuck up a team through trades. That same Detroit team traded Bonzi Wells for jack shit. If they had kept him, they would have been a better team, sooner.

For trade purposes, you can't look at a player's value without also looking at his contract. There's no more valuable trade asset than a really good player on a rookie scale contract. You get those in the draft.

The Spurs are still in cap hell, and don't have many trade assets (whose contracts aren't under water) except for young guys they would like to keep. Nobody is going to take Aldridge and give back something better than Aldridge. So good luck with that trade strategy.

Your post doesn't hit the mark as they traded Hill for Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins. Wallace was considered a marginal player. They coul have easily gotten those players with or without Hill.

[TD 21]

Name them so it can be broken down.

Young/Collins, Tatum/Brown, Doncic/Porzingis, Jokic/Murray, Morant/Jackson Jr., Williamson/Ingram, Embiid/Simmons, Booker/Ayton, Fox/Bagley.

Only Collins, Jokic and Booker, were not top 5 picks.

[Chillen]

https://i.imgur.com/gaTORYE.png

spurs wouldn't be a laughingstock anymore.

Rockets slightly win that trade tbh. Imagine Harden on this Spurs team without LMA and there you go.

Spurs do it to build around Westbrook longterm.

[Chillen]

https://i.imgur.com/jF7qkYB.jpg


OR


https://i.imgur.com/OYSTsPX.jpg


I call it


THE HAPPY ENDING BLOW IT UP AND FOISTED BRYN FORBES TRADE....



Terrible trade for Spurs, just awful.

[szkorhetz]

Terrible trade for Spurs, just awful.
Much more than awful..

LMA back to Portland and DDR back to Raptors makes sense for every single stakeholder, but not this way.

[szkorhetz]

Spurs have all the Cap room in 2021 to get that Giannis Bowl and have the ability accept Salary cap Cast offs in 2020 pay worthy rookie extensions....

Plus... its a BLOW IT UP play that I keep hearing around these parts with nobody showing or illustrating what they mean by BLOW IT UP!!!

I make it go BOOM!!!



So you aren't of the BLOWED IT UP camp

Also you don't want The Spurms to be a Free Agent Palyers in 2021?
Blowing it up is fine for me, I would have done it around early November, but a return of capspace and a 1st in really not enough for your two best players.

FA won't really come here, so I would much prefer some underperforming, yet young prospects and picks instead of cap space.

[spurspl]

https://i.imgur.com/gaTORYE.png

spurs wouldn't be a laughingstock anymore.

forbes instead of poeltl or lyles and im ok with this trade

[EasyMoney]

Tbh the team just needs to upgrade 2 positions. That's if they want to at least be competitive. But watch them not make any moves, and gm comes out saying he's happy with the team he has.

[tbdog]

Young/Collins, Tatum/Brown, Doncic/Porzingis, Jokic/Murray, Morant/Jackson Jr., Williamson/Ingram, Embiid/Simmons, Booker/Ayton, Fox/Bagley.

Only Collins, Jokic and Booker, were not top 5 picks.


Celtics. Outliner because they were on the receiving end of one of the most lopsided deals, taking advantage of a short sighted billionair. Not only is the Nets a good example of not what to do, but despite the lopsided deal, Celtics only got to hold onto Brown and Tantum. Lottery picks after another, they only had Irving for 2 years.

Cuban ruined Dirks last 8 or so years in the league, only making the playoffs for half the time. Cuban gave up on trying to defend thier campionship to make a run in free agency in 2013, to miss out. Despite cap space, they sat in the lottery for 3 staight years.

Pelicans had one of the best bigs in the league, despite having that number 1 pick, they got in the second round once. What makes it seem this time it's different?

Did you really bring up the Suns and the Kings. How many lotteries do they want to have until they finally make a splash?

Hawks and Memphis are run similarlly too the Spurs. It wasn't long ago the Hawks were in the eastern conference finals. Memphis, like the Spurs, have always been loyal.

Your right, Nuggets success was dependant on Jokic, drafted in the second round. Their second best player (max contract) Murray, is not something they should be banking on.

Sixers, they were the laughing stock of the NBA, and wasn't it Stern that forced the Sixers to fire their GM? They not only hold the worst winning percentage in league history but they also hold the most consequetive losses. Despite this, they had two overally number 1 picks, two overall number 3, and one number 10. If it wasn't for Embid leg injury whom fell to 3, the Sixers wouldn't have much. And despite the cap space with all these rookie contracts, they blew their load on Harris.

No mention of the Knicks, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Pistons, and Twolves. How many lotteries do they need for things to finally work out?

[szkorhetz]

Tbh the team just needs to upgrade 2 positions. That's if they want to at least be competitive. But watch them not make any moves, and gm comes out saying he's happy with the team he has.
That's 40% and not that the other 3 positions are super strong.

I can't really see us trading for two player. One trade might be on the horizon -Fournier, Gordon, Bjelica or Williams-, but two is highly unlikely.

[talkspurs]

Rockets slightly win that trade tbh. Imagine Harden on this Spurs team without LMA and there you go.

Spurs do it to build around Westbrook longterm.

Westbrook is already 31. you cant build around him longterm. give him a yr or two and you will really start to see his age. You can already see his age some if you watch him. He also shoots horribly. Lots of points but even more shots. He is actually a worse shooter then forbs or murray. People need to stop going after name recognition.

[DaBears]

Has he been treated bad or unfairly.. I haven't heard 1 thing out of the club to suggest he is being mistreated. And in his own words he says he loves the role and his place on the team. Every Player would love to play more sure.. He is getting millions to just chill and be a teammate, easiest paychecks he can ask for.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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