NBA Trade Deadline 2020

[Payote75]

I've been on the Wiggins wagon since last summer. He adds to a young team and his numbers are almost on par with DD. And way young rather pay him than did any day of the week.

[NASpurs]

This team has one guy who’s on the downside of his career and another guy who’s stuck in the 90s while both are perennial losers. Our young talent consists of guys who are mid to late first picks and others who we won’t see until 2025. No fucking direction one way or another so what you see is what you get. We’re fucked fam, there’s nothing exciting to hope for.

[slick'81]

Clock is ticking spurs.........do you rebuild or run it back and extend demar!?

[FkLA]

:lol

https://twitter.com/KelvinHenryJr/status/1224934109698580480

[gambit1990]

hawks should go after masai next. raptors are still better (obviously) but trae young, deandre hunter, john collins, capela, and a lottery pick isn't bad core to start with.

[gambit1990]

PATFO: do u want beli or demarre?
other nba teams: not really but we're interested in--*PATFO hangs up*

[gambit1990]

at least golden state didn't get capela.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I understand why players like Capela aren't that important anymore, but I still don't like it for Houston. Capela provides spacing for Harden and Westbrook when they drive to the rim because of the lob threat. Now defenders would be able to guard them more aggressively and especially in the playoffs they won't be getting all the calls. Guess they'll be better at dribble dribble dribble step back 3s...

[UnWantedTheory]

Even better. They traded Covington for two firsts (which is quite a haul given that he sucks) and moved one of them for assets from Denver. I don't love them getting yet more young middling guys, but maybe they'll sort it out.

Maybe it wasn't you, but I thought you were at one time stating Cov was an elite role player that you would want on the team?

[tbdog]

two 1st for a role player. Even a good one. Boy, Rockets selling their future. Didn't they also give up a 1st for Wesbrook?

[RC_Drunkford]

This team has one guy who’s on the downside of his career and another guy who’s stuck in the 90s while both are perennial losers. Our young talent consists of guys who are mid to late first picks and others who we won’t see until 2025. No fucking direction one way or another so what you see is what you get. We’re fucked fam, there’s nothing exciting to hope for.

Welcome to the Gregg Popovich show. He's the lone superstar of this team

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1224942744008896512?s=20

:lmao :lmao

[jermaine]

I swear on everything holy If the trade deadline come an go an we're rolling out the same bullshit lineup, Marco an Carroll still on the team... I'm letting my team pass go, never coming back to Spurstalk, an saying goodbye to this team.

[Spur4ever]

I swear on everything holy If the trade deadline come an go an we're rolling out the same bullshit lineup, Marco an Carroll still on the team... I'm letting my team pass go, never coming back to Spurstalk, an saying goodbye to this team.


You might as well start saying your goodbyes now

[spurspl]

ATL totally wins that trade, good god their future is brighter than the firminios teeth

[Maddog]

I swear on everything holy If the trade deadline come an go an we're rolling out the same bullshit lineup, Marco an Carroll still on the team... I'm letting my team pass go, never coming back to Spurstalk, an saying goodbye to this team.

See ya

The bottom line is the Spurs have nothing that other teams really want, or willing to give up anything worthwhile to get. It happens.
I suspect nothing this trade deadline-other than Carroll traded for almost nothing. , I suspect off-season will be when things happen.

[dbestpro]

Tbh no trade will matter. We cannot win with Forbes starting or getting over 20 mpg.

[BatManu20]

at least golden state didn't get capela.

They’re going to get James Wiseman with the #1 or #2 overall pick in the draft who will be way better tbh.

[Jordan Jackson]

Tbh no trade will matter. We cannot win with Forbes starting or getting over 20 mpg.

THIS.

Trades won't matter if he's still playing significant minutes. Every statistical measure shows he shouldn't be anywhere near a professional basketball team, yet he continues to play.

[sasaint]

THIS.

Trades won't matter if he's still playing significant minutes. Every statistical measure shows he shouldn't be anywhere near a professional basketball team, yet he continues to play.

Forbes is but a symptom. The disease is :pop:

[Prime BEEF]

Forbes is but a symptom. The disease is :pop:
Yup. By far the best news would be pop announcing this is his last year. But the FO will probably give him a 6yr contract

[sasaint]

Yup. By far the best news would be pop announcing this is his last year. But the FO will probably give him a 6yr contract

I am praying for a miracle. Perhaps if the team just quit on the Old Asshole, he still has enough honor to step down before season's end. Give Becky the reins on an interim basis. It is already past the time for a change at the top. Send the Old Asshole to the winery - definitely need to cut all ties.

[spurspl]

only hours left to trade deadline, if smb is in touch with pop pls wake him up

[Prime BEEF]

because it’s fun and we all know nothing will happen

DDR/LMA/Gay/Mills/Carroll to Detroit for Drummond/Griffin/Kennard/Jackson/2020 and 2022 1st rd picks

[DPG21920]

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[spurspl]

kat is unhappy, minny collecting picks, expiring contracts and wanna trade wiggins, magic wants a scorer and get rid of gordon soo...

spurs: kat/reid/birch
minny: ddr/gordon/poeltl/forbes 1st 2020 and 2022 via spurs/ 1st via magic
magic: wiggins

murray/white/loonie/lma/kat

before u say that spurs give too much picks remember that kat is a beast on a 5yr contract and tbh we gonna draft a bust as always.

minny: gets ddr who probably opts out, poeltl and gordon- cheap players for future, forbes expiring and 3 picks
orlando: there was a rumor about ddr for gordon and bamba so gordon + pick for a familiar player to ddr but younger with longer contract isnt too much.

[TimDunkem]

^That might be the most unrealistic deal I've EVER seen here and that's saying something.

KAT is untouchable right now, and Magic wouldn't trade their first.

[DPG21920]

Brian Wright - the clock starts now. Time to see what our new GM is made of. Can he be someone who leads a front office confidently and smartly and make tough decisions. Pop looms large and so does RC, but it will be interesting to see if we got the right man for the job.

[spurspl]

^That might be the most unrealistic deal I've EVER seen here and that's saying something.

KAT is untouchable right now, and Magic wouldn't trade their first.

if hes really unhappy minny will have to trade him.
magics 1st probably wont be a lottery

[TimDunkem]

if hes really unhappy minny will have to trade him.
magics 1st probably wont be a lottery

They really don't have to though, nor do they have to settle on garbage.

[TimDunkem]

Brian Wright - the clock starts now. Time to see what our new GM is made of. Can he be someone who leads a front office confidently and smartly and make tough decisions. Pop looms large and so does RC, but it will be interesting to see if we got the right man for the job.

Nothing the Spurs do will be his call. It's Pop calling the shots. Hypothetically, even if he makes a great move, Pop could veto it because one of his pets is being moved.

I have no faith that Poop and the FO will do anything to TRULY improve the team.

[DPG21920]

Nothing the Spurs do will be his call. It's Pop calling the shots. Hypothetically, even if he makes a great move, Pop could veto it because one of his pets is being moved.

I have no faith that Poop and the FO will do anything to TRULY improve the team.

I know with the Spurs no decisions are made unilaterally. However, his job title is GM, he’s new and class is in session. Can’t just be a figurehead in times like these.

[TimDunkem]

I know with the Spurs no decisions are made unilaterally. However, his job title is GM, he’s new and class is in session. Can’t just be a figurehead in times like these.

Honestly, I think that's exactly what he is in a time like this. This is Poop's show now that the stars are gone.

[mo7888]

Honestly, I think that's exactly what he is in a time like this. This is Poop's show now that the stars are gone.

I think you're right unfortunately

[TimDunkem]

I think you're right unfortunately

Some here call me a whiner, fake fan, pessimist, but everything I've said since the summer of '17 and that SI report that Kawhi didn't like the moves the FO made/didn't make have more or less come true...I really hope I'm wrong about this deadline and this summer. Unfortunately, everything I've seen and heard says otherwise.

I really think they do nothing, miss the playoffs, and go on to extend DD or let him walk, then resign Forbes, and try this again with or without DD.

[spurspl]

Some here call me a whiner, fake fan, pessimist, but everything I've said since the summer of '17 and that SI report that Kawhi didn't like the moves the FO made/didn't make have more or less come true...I really hope I'm wrong about this deadline and this summer. Unfortunately, everything I've seen and heard says otherwise.

I really think they do nothing, miss the playoffs, and go on to extend DD or let him walk, then resign Forbes, and try this again with or without DD.

with this i agree, u not pessimist but realist. Spurs wont do nothing now and nothing significant during the summer. Sad but true.

[look_at_g_shred]

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Someone should ask him why not? Or why the spurs are content with keeping a team together that's below 500

[Leetonidas]

Spurs ain't doing shit guys. Get ready to see Forbes start for 30 more games :lol

[cool cat]

Spurs ain't doing shit guys. Get ready to see Forbes start for 30 more games :lol

Promise it's only going to be 30?

[TimDunkem]

Promise it's only going to be 30?

Nah. He's getting a new deal.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Nothing the Spurs do will be his call. It's Pop calling the shots. Hypothetically, even if he makes a great move, Pop could veto it because one of his pets is being moved.

I have no faith that Poop and the FO will do anything to TRULY improve the team.

This. Its frustrating as hell hearing all these teams actively on the phones with other teams trying to better their team. While this team is just going to stand pat even though there's glaring problems on this team. I am 100% confident that at the end of the day Wright has no say, hopefully he has a backbone tbh

[cd98]

Someone should ask him why not? Or why the spurs are content with keeping a team together that's below 500

Who's available to trade for that will get the Spurs over .500 with assets that will not put us right where we are. We are not a player away from contending and anything we would give up to get the non-existent franchise changing player out there would require us to give up enough of our good players that we sit at status quo.

As boring as it is, big trades are generally a bad idea this time of year if you are trying to make the playoffs.

[look_at_g_shred]

Who's available to trade for that will get the Spurs over .500 with assets that will not put us right where we are. We are not a player away from contending and anything we would give up to get the non-existent franchise changing player out there would require us to give up enough of our good players that we sit at status quo.

As boring as it is, big trades are generally a bad idea this time of year if you are trying to make the playoffs.
It doesn't have to be a big trade tho. We are not making the playoffs either way. Shipping off a piece or 2 to get a young wing for the future would not be a bad thing, or a young player that has potential. Aaron Gordon or Justice Winslow would be dope to add to the young core and our draft pick this year.

[RC_Drunkford]

Who's available to trade for that will get the Spurs over .500 with assets that will not put us right where we are. We are not a player away from contending and anything we would give up to get the non-existent franchise changing player out there would require us to give up enough of our good players that we sit at status quo.

As boring as it is, big trades are generally a bad idea this time of year if you are trying to make the playoffs.

This team doesn't have good players- The right question you should've asked is: "How many players are out there that are better than Bryn Forbes and Trey fuckin Lyles?"

The answer: plenty. About 80% of the fuckin league is better than those 2 scrubs. So yes a trade is absolutely realistic and should be made, but Flopovich is senile.

[Maddog]

Who's available to trade for that will get the Spurs over .500 with assets that will not put us right where we are. We are not a player away from contending and anything we would give up to get the non-existent franchise changing player out there would require us to give up enough of our good players that we sit at status quo.

As boring as it is, big trades are generally a bad idea this time of year if you are trying to make the playoffs.

Stop being so rational.

[TimDunkem]

You don't have to make a huge trade to make the playoffs. What's certain though is that they won't as currently constructed.

[DPG21920]

Who's available to trade for that will get the Spurs over .500 with assets that will not put us right where we are. We are not a player away from contending and anything we would give up to get the non-existent franchise changing player out there would require us to give up enough of our good players that we sit at status quo.

As boring as it is, big trades are generally a bad idea this time of year if you are trying to make the playoffs.

If that is the case, I think that alone paints a pretty compelling picture to move DeRozan/LMA

[DPG21920]

Who's available to trade for that will get the Spurs over .500 with assets that will not put us right where we are. We are not a player away from contending and anything we would give up to get the non-existent franchise changing player out there would require us to give up enough of our good players that we sit at status quo.

As boring as it is, big trades are generally a bad idea this time of year if you are trying to make the playoffs.

Also, while I agree for different reasons, this really isn’t true.

SA has all their picks to offer. ATL just got Capela for a mid to late first and an expiring deal. You can land impactful players without gutting your team if you are willing to pay the picks price.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs need to trade LMA and Derozan. Derozan deserves a chance to be on a good team, he's expiring, he's playing well, and the Spurs aren't making the playoffs. We've put this off as long as possible, but its now time to make sure that they get some value, move on, and start the rebuild in earnest. The chances to make the playoffs are just too low with this team to roll the dice.

Its been a hell of a run, but its time.

[DPG21920]

Spurs need to trade LMA and Derozan. Derozan deserves a chance to be on a good team, he's expiring, he's playing well, and the Spurs aren't making the playoffs. We've put this off as long as possible, but its now time to make sure that they get some value, move on, and start the rebuild in earnest. The chances to make the playoffs are just too low with this team to roll the dice.

Its been a hell of a run, but its time.


Agree, but if (and hopefully) the Spurs reach that conclusion, the Summer may be the best time. I would love it to happen now, but no biggie as long as it happens in the Summer.

[murpjf88]

Spurs need to trade LMA and Derozan. Derozan deserves a chance to be on a good team, he's expiring, he's playing well, and the Spurs aren't making the playoffs. We've put this off as long as possible, but its now time to make sure that they get some value, move on, and start the rebuild in earnest. The chances to make the playoffs are just too low with this team to roll the dice.

Its been a hell of a run, but its time.

Derozan had a chance to be on a good team in Toronto and he failed at it.

[JuneJive]

They are gonna acommodate Carroll, strike out on any fools wanting Beli and that's it.

[NASpurs]

Spurs are going to wait for their current run of bad contracts to expire... so they could sign other players to more bad contracts. Rinse and repeat.

:lol @ thinking we could trade these bad contracts/players away

[Truth4sale$]

Spurs are going to wait for their current run of bad contracts to expire... so they could sign other players to more bad contracts. Rinse and repeat.

:lol @ thinking we could trade these bad contracts/players away

Naaa. That's the knicks with their GM signings. The Spurs will sign a old Veteran, pass their prime; that was good 7 years ago.

[TimDunkem]

Naaa. That's the knicks with their GM signings. The Spurs will sign a old Veteran, pass their prime; that was good 7 years ago.

Not before they resign Bryn, give Patty another extension, and allow Rudy Gay to retire here.

[sasaint]

They are gonna acommodate Carroll, strike out on any fools wanting Beli and that's it.

They will probably strike out on both. Then they will waive Demarre and just keep playing/paying Marco.

[Prime BEEF]

It’s a shame what this organization has become. The big 3 and kawhitter really did mask their incompetence.

[Genovaswitness]

It’s a shame what this organization has become. The big 3 and kawhitter really did mask their incompetence.

they really showed their incompetence by not super maxing kawhi smdh

[Duncan87]

Bullshit even Paul George admitted saying Spurs were about to trade for him. Kawhi just a dick

[Duncan87]

Kawhi just didn’t know how to man up and just say he wanted LA

[Duncan87]

Pop could have gotten any players he wanted. He just wanted out

[Chillen]

Kawhi just didn’t know how to man up and just say he wanted LA

Pretty much but I think I am going to now have to buy the 2014 championship Blu-ray because it looks like it will be awhile before the Spurs ever touch the LOB trophy again.

[baknedkly]

Just want to say hello to everyone. Long time board watcher and Spurs fan but first time poster. Hate to see the current state of this team and no attempt to make it better for short or long term. Would love to make multiple trades to get the team on track.

First I would ideally love to trade with Warriors. Saw on CBS sports an article about them wanting to trade Russell and their 2020 pick for someone to help right away. Minnesota doesn't really have anyone and I wouldn't particularly want Wiggins if I was the Warriors either as he isn't a go to guy that can go out and get buckets. That's where we come in. Trade DeRozan (I know people will say he isn't worth anything) but he is a former all-star and has played as such this season. He theoretically actually does help achieve that goal. It sends him back to California to a winning team when their stars return. DeRozan playing the SF actually helps because with Klay and Steph on the floor he has all the space needed to operate driving and pulling up from midrange. It gives them a go to scorer when needed that doesn't have to run off of screens and have help to get off shots. Throw in Forbes and we may have to throw some seconds and a future first in to sweeten the deal but maybe Pop could talk to Kerr to entice this deal to get done. We could pick up Alec Burks in the process. This gets us Russell and hopefully a top 5-10 pick in the draft along with getting our younger guys some play but losing games to get us a better pick as well, possibly even top 10 as well hopefully. Warriors get a scorer and more firepower to go against the LA teams along with the other west power houses. The trade works in ESPN trade machine.

Secondly I would like to send LaMarcus back home. Send Aldridge and Carroll to Portland for their 2020 first, Whiteside, Collins, and Hezonja (works in ESPN trade machine). They already have a Nurkic and Whiteside is a free agent and risk losing him for nothing. Aldridge gives them scoring from inside and outside along with leadership and already has played with the main core so he should fit in without problem and when Nurkic returns gives them more punch to make a playoff push. We get Whiteside and we have his bird rights if we choose to re-sign him or gives us some salary cap space to spend in the offseason or rollover to the 2021 season. Collins gives us a floor spacing big with athleticism that can start or come off the bench and a SF with size and some shooting ability. Maybe we can tap into the potential that got Hezonja drafted #5 overall several years back.

Now we wait until after the season and wait for the draft spots to fall in place. Then we trade Russell and Gay to Minnesota picking up hopefully a top 5-10 pick, Wiggins, and Culver, and maybe a future first depending on how desperate Minnesota is.

So Outgoing is DeRozan, Aldridge, Forbes, Gay, and Carroll and Incoming is Wiggins, Whiteside, Culver, Z. Collins, M. Hezonja, and Burks along with 3 potential top 5-10 picks (including ours) and a top 15-20 (Portland). Not a big Wiggins fan but he has played better this season. This gives us players to work with now that were all top 12 picks, except Whiteside to see if we can get anything out of them while having a ton of early picks to instantly jump start the rebuild. Not re-signing Whiteside and Burks (depending on what he wants next contract) gives us cap space for the future and a lot of early picks on rookie contracts. This balances the roster more with plenty of wings while adding some bigs as well. Sorry for the long fist time post but really enjoy the Spurs and this forum.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The best thing about the trade deadline is that this thread will be shut down.

[FutureMan]

Really curious to see what the Carroll trade will be or if it ends up being a salary dump this summer.

[TimDunkem]

Just want to say hello to everyone. Long time board watcher and Spurs fan but first time poster. Hate to see the current state of this team and no attempt to make it better for short or long term. Would love to make multiple trades to get the team on track.

First I would ideally love to trade with Warriors. Saw on CBS sports an article about them wanting to trade Russell and their 2020 pick for someone to help right away. Minnesota doesn't really have anyone and I wouldn't particularly want Wiggins if I was the Warriors either as he isn't a go to guy that can go out and get buckets. That's where we come in. Trade DeRozan (I know people will say he isn't worth anything) but he is a former all-star and has played as such this season. He theoretically actually does help achieve that goal. It sends him back to California to a winning team when their stars return. DeRozan playing the SF actually helps because with Klay and Steph on the floor he has all the space needed to operate driving and pulling up from midrange. It gives them a go to scorer when needed that doesn't have to run off of screens and have help to get off shots. Throw in Forbes and we may have to throw some seconds and a future first in to sweeten the deal but maybe Pop could talk to Kerr to entice this deal to get done. We could pick up Alec Burks in the process. This gets us Russell and hopefully a top 5-10 pick in the draft along with getting our younger guys some play but losing games to get us a better pick as well, possibly even top 10 as well hopefully. Warriors get a scorer and more firepower to go against the LA teams along with the other west power houses. The trade works in ESPN trade machine.

Secondly I would like to send LaMarcus back home. Send Aldridge and Carroll to Portland for their 2020 first, Whiteside, Collins, and Hezonja (works in ESPN trade machine). They already have a Nurkic and Whiteside is a free agent and risk losing him for nothing. Aldridge gives them scoring from inside and outside along with leadership and already has played with the main core so he should fit in without problem and when Nurkic returns gives them more punch to make a playoff push. We get Whiteside and we have his bird rights if we choose to re-sign him or gives us some salary cap space to spend in the offseason or rollover to the 2021 season. Collins gives us a floor spacing big with athleticism that can start or come off the bench and a SF with size and some shooting ability. Maybe we can tap into the potential that got Hezonja drafted #5 overall several years back.

Now we wait until after the season and wait for the draft spots to fall in place. Then we trade Russell and Gay to Minnesota picking up hopefully a top 5-10 pick, Wiggins, and Culver, and maybe a future first depending on how desperate Minnesota is.

So Outgoing is DeRozan, Aldridge, Forbes, Gay, and Carroll and Incoming is Wiggins, Whiteside, Culver, Z. Collins, M. Hezonja, and Burks along with 3 potential top 5-10 picks (including ours) and a top 15-20 (Portland). Not a big Wiggins fan but he has played better this season. This gives us players to work with now that were all top 12 picks, except Whiteside to see if we can get anything out of them while having a ton of early picks to instantly jump start the rebuild. Not re-signing Whiteside and Burks (depending on what he wants next contract) gives us cap space for the future and a lot of early picks on rookie contracts. This balances the roster more with plenty of wings while adding some bigs as well. Sorry for the long fist time post but really enjoy the Spurs and this forum.

I like the way you think, but the Warriors want their pick, I hear. Also, the Blazers are - for some reason - valuing Whiteside and prefer to move him for more. LMA might entice them, but you're not getting that pick from them either.

[Prime BEEF]

The best thing about the trade deadline is that this thread will be shut down.
I think that’s not a good thing. The infinitesimally small chance of the spurs making a trade is the only positive thing that spurs fans have right now. Take that away after the deadline comes and goes with no moves and we have nothing. That’s not good for this board, not good for the franchise (less fans at games, watching tv, or buying gear), and not good for the fans.

[sasaint]

I think that’s not a good thing. The infinitesimally small chance of the spurs making a trade is the only positive thing that spurs fans have right now. Take that away after the deadline comes and goes with no moves and we have nothing. That’s not good for this board, not good for the franchise (less fans at games, watching tv, or buying gear), and not good for the fans.

Yep. A few more hours of hope and then crushed by the reality of PATFO’s stubbornness/arrogance/lack of awareness/imagination.

[DPG21920]

The best thing about the trade deadline is that this thread will be shut down.

Why? It generates actual conversation which to me is the point. Sure, some have less of an understanding, but at least its actual basketball.

[Ignazzz]

kat is unhappy, minny collecting picks, expiring contracts and wanna trade wiggins, magic wants a scorer and get rid of gordon soo...

spurs: kat/reid/birch
minny: ddr/gordon/poeltl/forbes 1st 2020 and 2022 via spurs/ 1st via magic
magic: wiggins

murray/white/loonie/lma/kat

before u say that spurs give too much picks remember that kat is a beast on a 5yr contract and tbh we gonna draft a bust as always.

minny: gets ddr who probably opts out, poeltl and gordon- cheap players for future, forbes expiring and 3 picks
orlando: there was a rumor about ddr for gordon and bamba so gordon + pick for a familiar player to ddr but younger with longer contract isnt too much.

it is time to call a doctor Sir!

[Excessive Egotist]

I found myself seriously wondering if the Spurs could net Juwan Morgan from the Jazz if they moved DeMarre Carroll to Utah. At that point, I took a few hours to regain my sanity.

[cd98]

Also, while I agree for different reasons, this really isn’t true.

SA has all their picks to offer. ATL just got Capela for a mid to late first and an expiring deal. You can land impactful players without gutting your team if you are willing to pay the picks price.

No one is out there that is going to guarantee that by making a trade they will get us to the playoffs. So why take the risk of trading a potential late lottery-odd pick for a player that at best makes us marginally better. Certainly there are trades that could happen on lower level players, but they won't move the needle on us getting to the playoffs. Similarly, any trade of DDR or LMA is likely to yield less talent in return and given DDR free agent status and LMA's age, neither are likely to land a quality first round pick that would make trading them worth it. No reason to sell our best players to get junk assets.

Best course is to just try and make the playoffs with what we have with the possibility that there is a trade of one of the lower level players. Sure, if a once-in-a million opportunity comes up, then trade one of our two best players. But that is just very unlikely. Trading for Gordon or Winslow, in my opinion, is a downgrade if we give up DDR or LMA. Better to just see what happens this year. If DDR walks, then the Spurs have a bunch of cap space or maybe they do a sign and trade in the summer, but no reason to deal him now unless some unexpected miracle deal comes along, which is highly unlikely.

[gambit1990]

i’m pretty surprised their hasn’t been more movement this season.

it seemed like the lakers, clippers, mavs, and maybe raptors, sixers all wanted some help. and i guess okc is standing pat. i really wanted them to add bertans to their roster.

[Maddog]

No one is out there that is going to guarantee that by making a trade they will get us to the playoffs. So why take the risk of trading a potential late lottery-odd pick for a player that at best makes us marginally better. Certainly there are trades that could happen on lower level players, but they won't move the needle on us getting to the playoffs. Similarly, any trade of DDR or LMA is likely to yield less talent in return and given DDR free agent status and LMA's age, neither are likely to land a quality first round pick that would make trading them worth it. No reason to sell our best players to get junk assets.

Best course is to just try and make the playoffs with what we have with the possibility that there is a trade of one of the lower level players. Sure, if a once-in-a million opportunity comes up, then trade one of our two best players. But that is just very unlikely. Trading for Gordon or Winslow, in my opinion, is a downgrade if we give up DDR or LMA. Better to just see what happens this year. If DDR walks, then the Spurs have a bunch of cap space or maybe they do a sign and trade in the summer, but no reason to deal him now unless some unexpected miracle deal comes along, which is highly unlikely.

I agree
Trading just to trade is not always great. Let's say the Spurs got Capela-
He's not going to make this team dramatically better short and long term and has a bad contract.

[Prime BEEF]

Yes, been a boring trade season

[gambit1990]

i thought the deadline was today. spurs still have a day to do something :lol

i really don’t understand keeping the band together... they’re not making the POs...

[DPG21920]

No one is out there that is going to guarantee that by making a trade they will get us to the playoffs. So why take the risk of trading a potential late lottery-odd pick for a player that at best makes us marginally better. Certainly there are trades that could happen on lower level players, but they won't move the needle on us getting to the playoffs. Similarly, any trade of DDR or LMA is likely to yield less talent in return and given DDR free agent status and LMA's age, neither are likely to land a quality first round pick that would make trading them worth it. No reason to sell our best players to get junk assets.

Best course is to just try and make the playoffs with what we have with the possibility that there is a trade of one of the lower level players. Sure, if a once-in-a million opportunity comes up, then trade one of our two best players. But that is just very unlikely. Trading for Gordon or Winslow, in my opinion, is a downgrade if we give up DDR or LMA. Better to just see what happens this year. If DDR walks, then the Spurs have a bunch of cap space or maybe they do a sign and trade in the summer, but no reason to deal him now unless some unexpected miracle deal comes along, which is highly unlikely.

Nothing is guaranteed but I was just pointing out that SA wouldn’t have to gut their team to make a trade if they wanted a win now player. I don’t think anyone helps them, but that’s not the point. We’ve seen first round picks and expiring deals net a decent player is the point.

[Prime BEEF]

I agree
Trading just to trade is not always great. Let's say the Spurs got Capela-
He's not going to make this team dramatically better short and long term and has a bad contract.
Spending $42/yr on Gay/Mills/Carroll/Marco/Forbes is worse than picking up a contract for capela or Paul for that matter

[SpurPadre]

No one is out there that is going to guarantee that by making a trade they will get us to the playoffs. So why take the risk of trading a potential late lottery-odd pick for a player that at best makes us marginally better. Certainly there are trades that could happen on lower level players, but they won't move the needle on us getting to the playoffs. Similarly, any trade of DDR or LMA is likely to yield less talent in return and given DDR free agent status and LMA's age, neither are likely to land a quality first round pick that would make trading them worth it. No reason to sell our best players to get junk assets.

Best course is to just try and make the playoffs with what we have with the possibility that there is a trade of one of the lower level players. Sure, if a once-in-a million opportunity comes up, then trade one of our two best players. But that is just very unlikely. Trading for Gordon or Winslow, in my opinion, is a downgrade if we give up DDR or LMA. Better to just see what happens this year. If DDR walks, then the Spurs have a bunch of cap space or maybe they do a sign and trade in the summer, but no reason to deal him now unless some unexpected miracle deal comes along, which is highly unlikely.

Cap space? Players today don't think it's cool to play in San Antonio. We're just not going to sign a star player no matter how much we have to throw at them...unless they happen to have some ties to Texas.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Cap space? Players today don't think it's cool to play in San Antonio. We're just not going to sign a star player no matter how much we have to throw at them...unless they happen to have some ties to Texas.

Cap space can be used for other things than signing star players. Everyone knows SA isn't a FA destination.

[gambit1990]

rockets are closing in on a deal with an eastern conference team apparently.

tristan thompson? drummond? myles turner?

[exstatic]

Cap space? Players today don't think it's cool to play in San Antonio. We're just not going to sign a star player no matter how much we have to throw at them...unless they happen to have some ties to Texas.

You rent it out for bad contracts if no one signs in a particular summer. That's how OKC acquired Ibaka. He was a pick in the 20s when they were still a high lottery team.

It's why I never understood what the LAL were doing a few years back. They had cap room, and for a couple of years in a row, they signed KCP to a one year 8 figure contract to meet the minimum salary. You don't get a pick doing that.

[EasyMoney]

Delete.

[DPG21920]

rockets are closing in on a deal with an eastern conference team apparently.

tristan thompson? drummond? myles turner?

That would be surprising if it was someone with that much salary

[Excessive Egotist]

rockets are closing in on a deal with an eastern conference team apparently.

tristan thompson? drummond? myles turner?

Rockets landed a big trade exception last night that they have all of two days to use, I think. I'd guess this trade is for a player who fits within it.

[Excessive Egotist]

I would be very happy with, essentially, an Aldridge for Winslow swap. There is some trepidation over Winslow's back, so maybe another young player or second could be had. Or pair Aldridge and Forbes for Winslow, Robinson, and Olynyk.

Mills to Milwaukee for the Pacers pick seems like it's too rich for Bucks to sign off....

Forbes to Clippers or 76ers for a pick (30s or 40s) would be a good get, but I bet Spurs would want a first.

I wonder if any version of Gordon and Bamba for DeRozan is still available. Or DeRozan for Horford.

Belinelli for a pick in the 50s. Also, a stretch, I know.

And sly pick ups, like Juwan Morgan or Harry Giles, would make sense. Carroll to Utah for Davis and Morgan. Carroll and Belinelli to Kings for Dedmon and Giles. That sort of thing.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs are going to wait for their current run of bad contracts to expire... so they could sign other players to more bad contracts. Rinse and repeat.

:lol @ thinking we could trade these bad contracts/players away

The Spurs don't have a single untradable contract on this team. What are you talking about?

[exstatic]

The Spurs don't have a single untradable contract on this team. What are you talking about?

Yeah, somebody listed the aggregate contracts of 5 players who added up to a whopping $42M. That averages a bit over $8M each, which doesn't even equal the MLE.

[ace3g]

As I have said before - while I thought there were times in the past 22 years when the Spurs should have made a trade but didn't - you could somewhat see it from the PATFO's point of view because they had a winning record going into the trade deadline. This year is different and it will be very telling if the goal is the playoffs by making a trade or lack there of.

[MannyIsGod]

As I have said before - while I thought there were times in the past 22 years when the Spurs should have made a trade but didn't - you could somewhat see it from the PATFO's point of view because they had a winning record going into the trade deadline. This year is different and it will be very telling if the goal is the playoffs by making a trade or lack there of.

I would be pretty shocked if there's not a trade by tomorrow. They have to either pull the plug or try to make the team better but doing nothing when the schedule is about to be harder and you already have a losing record is just idiocy.

[ZeusWillJudge]

As I have said before - while I thought there were times in the past 22 years when the Spurs should have made a trade but didn't - you could somewhat see it from the PATFO's point of view because they had a winning record going into the trade deadline. This year is different and it will be very telling if the goal is the playoffs by making a trade or lack there of.


When you have Tim Duncan as the backbone, you have the luxury of knowing that the team is never going to be bad. This team is bad. Broken. Something has to change.

The only wise choice is to start working on next season now.





I would be pretty shocked if there's not a trade by tomorrow. They have to either pull the plug or try to make the team better but doing nothing when the schedule is about to be harder and you already have a losing record is just idiocy.


You're exactly right. I think they will move Carroll, but I'm doubtful of anything else. I think it's more about pride than anything else.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah, somebody listed the aggregate contracts of 5 players who added up to a whopping $42M. That averages a bit over $8M each, which doesn't even equal the MLE.

40 million for Mills, Carroll, Gay and Pau Gasol. 2 players who will never be on the court and 2 bench players

[RC_Drunkford]

I would be pretty shocked if there's not a trade by tomorrow. They have to either pull the plug or try to make the team better but doing nothing when the schedule is about to be harder and you already have a losing record is just idiocy.

then that's exactly what Flopovich will do

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

That would be surprising if it was someone with that much salary

Can pass on that Rockerts/Magic talked today - not sure if about Bamba or Birch

[cd98]

Cap space? Players today don't think it's cool to play in San Antonio. We're just not going to sign a star player no matter how much we have to throw at them...unless they happen to have some ties to Texas.

My friend, cap space also buys you first round picks. You can ransom first round picks to take on player dumps. Sure, they won't use it sign a superstar, but you can use cap space for other things besides signing superstars.

[DPG21920]

Can pass on that Rockerts/Magic talked today - not sure if about Bamba or Birch

Makes sense. They will need someone cheaper for that spot.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[RC_Drunkford]

so apparently the Spurs have asked for medical information on Justise Winslow. Maybe there is hope

https://twitter.com/IcyWinslow/status/1225168855737217024?s=20

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Also ORL was talking to Denver earlier in week as they had interest in Beasley. Looks like Orl has made decision to not make major trade, but are exploring smaller deals. With Beasley, I was told last year that ORL FO was very high on Lonnie Walker. I hope the Spurs don't move any of the young guys, but based on previous discussions I think ORL would move Ross or Fournier in a deal where they got back Walker

[spurspl]

so apparently the Spurs have asked for medical information on Justise Winslow. Maybe there is hope

https://twitter.com/IcyWinslow/status/1225168855737217024?s=20

great news but still hope we can get one of duncan/herro with winslow. Give heat anyone.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

great news but still hope we can get one of duncan/herro with winslow. Give heat anyone.

This will be interesting to watch as chatter early on about trade involving Heat/Winslow centered around Spurs moving one or both of DDR/LMA. But recent reports were them looking at smaller deals involving Caroll, Beli, Gay.

If Winslow is moved without involving the big two then gotta think we are adding pick or one of the young guys

[r0drig0lac]

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[Prime BEEF]

great news but still hope we can get one of duncan/herro with winslow. Give heat anyone.
I assume they are after LMA. No way they want DDR

[EasyMoney]

Lamarcus for Winslow and Meyers Leonard works I believe.

How about a 3 team trade

Demar, lyles go to Orlando
Lamarcus, forbes go to Miami

Aaron Gordon, aminu, Winslow, Leonard go to San Antonio

Clearly a pipe dream since Bryn Forbes is untouchable

[cd98]

Lamarcus for Winslow and Meyers Leonard works I believe.

How about a 3 team trade

Demar, lyles go to Orlando
Lamarcus, forbes go to Miami

Aaron Gordon, aminu, Winslow, Leonard go to San Antonio

Clearly a pipe dream since Bryn Forbes is untouchable

I'd rather the Spurs went for Oubre, but I just see injured Winslow for LMA as a wash at best.

[cd98]

great news but still hope we can get one of duncan/herro with winslow. Give heat anyone.

Doubt Herro is on the table. Seriously doubt.

[slick'81]

Of course that faggot morris would end up in la

[Shakril]

Do Heat need a Defensiv Big Man like Jakob? Cant imagine Spurs giving up LMA for Winslow.

[Prime BEEF]

LMA/Murray/Carroll for Winslow/Dragic/Leonard/1st Rd pick

think that works for both teams

[slick'81]

Do Heat need a Defensiv Big Man like Jakob? Cant imagine Spurs giving up LMA for Winslow.




Your prescious jakob is safe

[TimDunkem]

LMA/Murray/Carroll for Winslow/Dragic/Leonard/1st Rd pick

think that works for both teams

Heat don't have a 1st to trade.

[Shakril]

Your prescious jakob is safe

*smh* it is not allowed any more to have a favourite player. You guys really need to chill out.

[RC_Drunkford]

This will be interesting to watch as chatter early on about trade involving Heat/Winslow centered around Spurs moving one or both of DDR/LMA. But recent reports were them looking at smaller deals involving Caroll, Beli, Gay.

If Winslow is moved without involving the big two then gotta think we are adding pick or one of the young guys

That's what I'm looking at. I don't think Spurs have to give up LA or DeRozan for him. There seems to be a disagreement between Winslow and the Heat about his injury. If it was possible to design another package by maybe including Rudy that would really help the Spurs, assuming Winslow can come back being the same player. According to reports he is hard to move for the Heat right now, so it gives the Spurs some leverage.


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Spurs never deal with the Knicks, but good lord would I love to have Danny back so we don't have to see Brent Forms starting anymore

[slick'81]

*smh* it is not allowed any more to have a favourite player. You guys really need to chill out.


I love poodle power too broski

[spurspl]

I assume they are after LMA. No way they want DDR

me too, but idc

lma for winslow olynyk duncan
ddr forbes for gordon bamba

white/winslow/duncan/gordon/bamba

[Prime BEEF]

Heat don't have a 1st to trade.
I thought they still have their 2020 pick?

[EasyMoney]

LMA/Murray/Carroll for Winslow/Dragic/Leonard/1st Rd pick

think that works for both teams


Trade a young point guard with potential for a 1 year rental of a 30 year old point guard? Lol

[TD 21]

This will be interesting to watch as chatter early on about trade involving Heat/Winslow centered around Spurs moving one or both of DDR/LMA. But recent reports were them looking at smaller deals involving Caroll, Beli, Gay.

If Winslow is moved without involving the big two then gotta think we are adding pick or one of the young guys

Winslow, Olynyk, Jones Jr. for Gay, Carroll, Johnson?

Winslow is Spurs material but he's another sub par shooter, has durability issues and similar to Carroll, isn't as big as the perception of him probably is.

Then again, in general the Spurs should prioritize value over fit. Specifically regarding him, don't be concerned with his fit with Murray, White, Walker, because that shouldn't be viewed as a long term core.

[Shakril]

That's what I'm looking at. I don't think Spurs have to give up LA or DeRozan for him. There seems to be a disagreement between Winslow and the Heat about his injury. If it was possible to design another package by maybe including Rudy that would really help the Spurs, assuming Winslow can come back being the same player. According to reports he is hard to move for the Heat right now, so it gives the Spurs some leverage.



Spurs never deal with the Knicks, but good lord would I love to have Danny back so we don't have to see Brent Forms starting anymore

Lakers would be stupid to trade Green for Morris. Kuzma i understand but not Green.

[mo7888]

Doubt Herro is on the table. Seriously doubt.

Probably not but, if we included White (much better defender) they might add herro. Herro playing the same position as white but being on a linger rookie contract could make sense for both teams.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I just saw an article that the Dubs would rather have two picks next year. I hadn't even considered a pick swap as part of a deal.

[cd98]

Probably not but, if we included White (much better defender) they might add herro. Herro playing the same position as white but being on a linger rookie contract could make sense for both teams.

Yes, I'd hate to pass with White, though. But I can't doubt that Herro has been a fantastic shooter. But I still am high on White. I like him better than Murry tbh.

[slick'81]

I just saw an article that the Dubs would rather have two picks next year. I hadn't even considered a pick swap as part of a deal.
Makes sense for the worriers

[mo7888]

Lakers would be stupid to trade Green for Morris. Kuzma i understand but not Green.

I agree with this

[Prime BEEF]

Trade a young point guard with potential for a 1 year rental of a 30 year old point guard? Lol
Murray isn’t good and his potential is limited to a backup combo guard at best. Would easily rather have Dragic, his expiring $19M and an additional pick than Murray. Dragic is better right now then Murray will ever be.

[mo7888]

Yes, I'd hate to pass with White, though. But I can't doubt that Herro has been a fantastic shooter. But I still am high on White. I like him better than Murry tbh.

I'm 'either or' on White and Murray myself. I think Herro's shooting and contract make more sense here (assuming we keep Murray) and White's superior defense and capable shooting make more sense for a team trying to compete in the playoffs.

[spurspl]

I'm 'either or' on White and Murray myself. I think Herro's shooting and contract make more sense here (assuming we keep Murray) and White's superior defense and capable shooting make more sense for a team trying to compete in the playoffs.

if we can get herro it doesnt matter we give murray or white, just do it. Herro is waay better than these two combined.

[EasyMoney]

On the woj and Lowe special they mentioned the. Spurs have been exploring trades for demar and lamarcus, but could always wait and see if they can convince demar to do a sign and trade in the off season when more cap space become available. Looks like they really are trying at least.

[gambit1990]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT5LMHMVvWbyDAtYQ0/giphy.gif

[ZeusWillJudge]

Oh holy shit! Winslow? No, no, no, hell naw. Every deficiency that DeRozan has, he has in spades. Last I checked, his career TS% was well down into the .400's.

If they would trade him straight up for Bryn and Beli, okay. Then the Spurs would have a perfect sub for Demar. That way the SL and the subs would have the exact same problems, and you could plan on putting the exact same kinds of players on the floor to compensate. And it would get rid of Bryn and Beli. But other than that, no.

[cd98]

Herro is really just a pipe dream. He is too popular for Miami to trade unless they get a stud that is in a long term contract. We do not have one of those. So no way they trade him to us for any of what we have.

[slick'81]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT5LMHMVvWbyDAtYQ0/giphy.gif

dont worry, demmarree is gonna be dealt

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

That's what I'm looking at. I don't think Spurs have to give up LA or DeRozan for him. There seems to be a disagreement between Winslow and the Heat about his injury. If it was possible to design another package by maybe including Rudy that would really help the Spurs, assuming Winslow can come back being the same player. According to reports he is hard to move for the Heat right now, so it gives the Spurs some leverage.

I will say I saw Winslow live at beginning of season and he looked really good. The Heat were actually playing him as PG initiating the offensive. While he was awkward at times he was effective & showed more ability to create than I ever thought he would. Of course was one game, so hard to draw any conclusions, but he has more abilities as a playmaker than I thought (at least that night)

[DPG21920]

Winslow has way better defensive potential than DeRozan, but yeah. He’s not been anything special. The fact MIA doesn’t have picks worries me.

[spurspl]

im so high on herro and duncan so maybe

lma white walker 1st 2020 2nd 2021 for winslow olynyk(or jameson) herro duncan

[DPG21920]

If it’s something like LMA + Mills + Carroll for Dragic + Winslow + Herro + Myers Leonard? Ok maybe.

Gets SA two youth players in Winslow and Herro. Dragic and Myers are both off the books next year and SA clears most of LMA deal, Mills and Carroll from the books.

[mo7888]

im so high on herro and duncan so maybe

lma white walker 1st 2020 2nd 2021 for winslow olynyk(or jameson) herro duncan

That price is too high for me. I like herro but, not that much.

[TD 21]

Winslow has way better defensive potential than DeRozan, but yeah. He’s not been anything special. The fact MIA doesn’t have picks worries me.

He isn't and you could definitely make the argument that a should be re-building team shouldn't be tacking on middling young veterans like him to their already uninspiring youth, but with so many players on entry level contracts as is and the fact that, at best, Aldridge and DeRozan will fetch a lottery protected 1st (in a supposed weak draft, no less), I could easily see them prioritizing pieces like this.

[slick'81]

im so high on herro and duncan so maybe

lma white walker 1st 2020 2nd 2021 for winslow olynyk(or jameson) herro duncan

Jesus thats alot and i dont know much about duncan

[Prime BEEF]

If it’s something like LMA + Mills + Carroll for Dragic + Winslow + Herro + Myers Leonard? Ok maybe.

Gets SA two youth players in Winslow and Herro. Dragic and Myers are both off the books next year and SA clears most of LMA deal, Mills and Carroll from the books.
That deal is great for us. Think Miami might want us to throw in a pick though.

[RC_Drunkford]

I will say I saw Winslow live at beginning of season and he looked really good. The Heat were actually playing him as PG initiating the offensive. While he was awkward at times he was effective & showed more ability to create than I ever thought he would. Of course was one game, so hard to draw any conclusions, but he has more abilities as a playmaker than I thought (at least that night)

I wouldn't trade DeRozan or Aldridge for him, but if you can get him without giving up one of them he would instantly be our 3rd best player. He can run the pick and roll, has playmaking ability, shot 38% from 3 last season and is a good defender. And he can play every position from 1 to 4. Having him out there with DeMar would improve the team on both ends significantly. People here need to understand that we are starting Bryn Forbes and Trey Lyles, the bar is very very very low.

Apparently the Heat are looking for depth, have an open roster spot and are trying to move Waiters and James Johnson. It's probably a long shot knowing Pop, but the price for Winslow would probably go down if you are willing to take on Waiters contract. He's a head case though, so I don't think Spurs would do that.

I can see Miami being interested in Gay and White, but not much more if you exclude DeRozan/Aldridge

[Degoat]

Spurs just doing their due diligence lol I’d love for them to trade though

[gambit1990]

suns might move oubre. too bad they hate the spurs though.

i'd do something like demar, carroll, beli, either murray or lonnie, 2020 1st round pick for rubio, oubre, and ayton.

[Leetonidas]

suns might move oubre. too bad they hate the spurs though.

i'd do something like demar, carroll, beli, either murray or lonnie, 2020 1st round pick for rubio, oubre, and ayton.

You're kidding right? :lol where do yall come up with these ridiculous trades

[spurspl]

That price is too high for me. I like herro but, not that much.

Jesus thats alot and i dont know much about duncan

herro and duncan are both great shooters and thats what murray needs, to be surrounded by these kind of players. Neither walker nor white give that. Imo murray herro duncan that would be a deadly backcourt trio.

[Chinook]

:lol who gives a shit about "what Murray needs"?

[RC_Drunkford]

One thing that has to be considered is that the Heat want Iggy and don't have a pick to trade for him...They would love to trade James Johnson for Iggy and Memphis would do it if a 1st rounder is included. Depends on the package though if you want to give that up since this is the highest pick Spurs had in 20 years

[gambit1990]

You're kidding right? :lol where do yall come up with these ridiculous trades
no. spurs plug holes by getting three starting caliber players. they get a PG, SF, and C.

rubio / white / oubre / la / ayton at least make the POs.

if spurs miss the POs with their current roster, they aren't drafting anyone better than ayton.

[r0drig0lac]

suns might move oubre. too bad they hate the spurs though.

i'd do something like demar, carroll, beli, either murray or lonnie, 2020 1st round pick for rubio, oubre, and ayton.

:lmao

[ZeusWillJudge]

Winslow has way better defensive potential than DeRozan, but yeah. He’s not been anything special. The fact MIA doesn’t have picks worries me.


Hell, DeRozan has way better defensive potential than DeRozan. This guy is Demar DeRozan - just a less effective version.

I'm telling you, if they put Winslow on the same team as DDR, there are going to be Spurs fans self-immolating on the court at halftime. The Coyote is going to have to start carrying a fire extinguisher.

It's too late to watch games, but go look at his numbers. He can't draw fouls like DeMar, but if he could he only shoots like 66%. He shoots consistent low-.400's overall, and he's not a deep threat. Why in the hell would this team want another one of those?

Not only that, but he's been hurt all season. What's he played - 10 games or something? Hell, I might be one of the fans with a can of gasoline and a match. I don't think I could stand to watch that.

[ZeusWillJudge]

:lol who gives a shit about "what Murray needs"?


Don't you know? Pop is busy trying to get Bryn and Marco better contracts with other teams next year. That's the sort of thing he does. :lol



Pop is playing both Bryn and Belinelli because he is giving them the opportunity to showcase their value to their next teams next year.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[RC_Drunkford]

Hell, DeRozan has way better defensive potential than DeRozan. This guy is Demar DeRozan - just a less effective version.

I'm telling you, if they put Winslow on the same team as DDR, there are going to be Spurs fans self-immolating on the court at halftime. The Coyote is going to have to start carrying a fire extinguisher.

It's too late to watch games, but go look at his numbers. He can't draw fouls like DeMar, but if he could he only shoots like 66%. He shoots consistent low-.400's overall, and he's not a deep threat. Why in the hell would this team want another one of those?

Not only that, but he's been hurt all season. What's he played - 10 games or something? Hell, I might be one of the fans with a can of gasoline and a match. I don't think I could stand to watch that.

Bruh Winslow would instantly be the 3rd best player on the team. Sure DeRozan is way better than Winslow, but I don't think you have to give up LA or DeMar to aquire an injured Winslow

[Joseph Kony]

no. spurs plug holes by getting three starting caliber players. they get a PG, SF, and C.

rubio / white / oubre / la / ayton at least make the POs.

if spurs miss the POs with their current roster, they aren't drafting anyone better than ayton.
it's obviously a home run trade for SA that Phoenix would never do, that's why it's ridiculous... :lol

[Chinook]

Poe and Carroll for Winslow while the Heat use a big to acquire Iggy? I wouldn't love that, but it's doing something and theoretically leaves room to do something else with Beli.

[RC_Drunkford]

Poe and Carroll for Winslow while the Heat use a big to acquire Iggy? I wouldn't love that, but it's doing something and theoretically leaves room to do something else with Beli.

Heat definitely want a wing defender. And their big rotation with the exception of Adebayo is not really that good. Question is can Winslow come back this season though? According to the Heat he's probably out for the season/until the playoffs start. Giving up Poeltl would make the Spurs a lot worse until Winslow comes back. But maybe Spurs could flip Beli for a back up C?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Bruh Winslow would instantly be the 3rd best player on the team. Sure DeRozan is way better than Winslow, but I don't think you have to give up LA or DeMar to aquire an injured Winslow


I'm telling you, he IS Demar DeRozan. With the way the game is being played today, having two if them is horrible. Put them on the floor at the same time, and I don't even need the matches. I'll just rub my head on the wood floor until it bursts into flames.

Seriously, I'm not debating that he's got some talent. It's the kind of player he is, and the Modern NBA. My head hurts just thinking about all the threads here next year if they do this. I know the Heat FO is sitting there saying, "Well... they already have one guy like that. Maybe they'll take another?" And the next guys says, "You know... it's so crazy it just might work."

[TimDunkem]

I thought they still have their 2020 pick?

Stepien rule.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm telling you, he IS Demar DeRozan. With the way the game is being played today, having two if them is horrible. Put them on the floor at the same time, and I don't even need the matches. I'll just rub my head on the wood floor until it bursts into flames.

Seriously, I'm not debating that he's got some talent. It's the kind of player he is, and the Modern NBA. My head hurts just thinking about all the threads here next year if they do this. I know the Heat FO is sitting there saying, "Well... they already have one guy like that. Maybe they'll take another?" And the next guys says, "You know... it's so crazy it just might work."

yes, he is very similar to DeRozan, but he's also way better than Bryn Forbes and Trey Lyles. And he shot 38% from 3 in back to back seasons. I'd take him in a heartbeat. The bar is low

[sasaint]

I'm telling you, he IS Demar DeRozan. With the way the game is being played today, having two if them is horrible. Put them on the floor at the same time, and I don't even need the matches. I'll just rub my head on the wood floor until it bursts into flames.

Seriously, I'm not debating that he's got some talent. It's the kind of player he is, and the Modern NBA. My head hurts just thinking about all the threads here next year if they do this. I know the Heat FO is sitting there saying, "Well... they already have one guy like that. Maybe they'll take another?" And the next guys says, "You know... it's the Spurs it just might work."

Fify. Hell, Spo would probably play Demarre, and we would learn that he's actually better than Winslow, and then we give them Poodle on top. It's like Toronto II. Sheesh. I have both kerosene and matches.

[mo7888]

herro and duncan are both great shooters and thats what murray needs, to be surrounded by these kind of players. Neither walker nor white give that. Imo murray herro duncan that would be a deadly backcourt trio.

Duncan is a nice 'value' piece. He has a much lower upside than Walker. I'm not giving up a 1st and Walker for herro and Duncan especially when you consider that LMA is worth more than winslow and one of their expiring contracts. I'd give LMA + white + (belli or Forbes if they want them) for Winslow + herro + leonard. Miami would have to consider that pretty strongly and compare it to what else is out there.

[spurspl]

Duncan is a nice 'value' piece. He has a much lower upside than Walker. I'm not giving up a 1st and Walker for herro and Duncan especially when you consider that LMA is worth more than winslow and one of their expiring contracts. I'd give LMA + white + (belli or Forbes if they want them) for Winslow + herro + leonard. Miami would have to consider that pretty strongly and compare it to what else is out there.

sure thats better trade for the spurs but not sure if for miami.
still for me duncan>walker

[tbdog]

Why Leonard? Isn't he on the way out of the league?

[Dverde]

dont worry, demmarree is gonna be dealt

Not if teams want an asset to take him

[RC_Drunkford]

looks like Miami wants Draymond

[Genovaswitness]

retarded fucking team isn't gonna do shit

[slick'81]

retarded fucking team isn't gonna do shit

if the spurs actually did nothing it would cap off the massive failure this entire season has been

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[Shakril]

It looks like Spurs wont make any trades. Big reason for that is, that they demand to much for DDR and LMA.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225219325692432394

[DC23]

1225222774618148864

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225222774618148864

[TimDunkem]

Other than the whole overpaying roleplayers thing a few years ago, Riley has done well with the Heat. I really like this Heat team. If they can grab those two guys, they'll make some noise in the playoffs.

[Dex]

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[talkspurs]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vjvjpwh

[DC23]

1225228979906412544

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225228979906412544

[Chinook]

Okay... that suggests Miami gave up real value for Iggy.

Also explains why Iggy was so bullish on a trade to certain teams. It was essentially his last free agency too.

[slick'81]

Its trade season!

[DC23]

Meh you guys really think Iggy is a difference maker? This is guy who sometimes can't even walk...

[Chinook]

Meh you guys really think Iggy is a difference maker? This is guy who sometimes can't even walk...

Yeah, this is risky as hell. Riley doesn't have a great history when it comes to building a team, so I can't just give them the benefit of the doubt.

[sasaint]

Meh you guys really think Iggy is a difference maker? This is guy who sometimes can't even walk...

At this stage of his career, I wouldn't trade for him and extend him two years at $15MM/yr. That seems like a Pop move to me.

[BacktoBasics]

I’ll wait to hear what the heat gave up but this hopefully paves the way for further rosters moves for the heat.

[DC23]

2 year $30MM is nuts.

[sasaint]

I’ll wait to hear what the heat gave up but this hopefully paves the way for further rosters moves for the heat.

It will be interesting to see... But no matter what, what kind of assets does Riley think he can offer for Gallo now?

[slick'81]

At this stage of his career, I wouldn't trade for him and extend him two years at $15MM/yr. That seems like a Pop move to me.


Def a rudy gay move

[tbdog]

Other than the whole overpaying roleplayers thing a few years ago, Riley has done well with the Heat. I really like this Heat team. If they can grab those two guys, they'll make some noise in the playoffs.

Pat Riley is an example that you continue to compete. That team lost LeBron for nothing. Bosh for nothing. And even have Wade a farewell tour. Despite no space got Butler.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1225231179940605952

[CGD]

Okay... that suggests Miami gave up real value for Iggy.

Also explains why Iggy was so bullish on a trade to certain teams. It was essentially his last free agency too.

Hero?

[BWS-1994]

Def a rudy gay move

I’d laugh if the Spurs find a way to capitalize or get involved in all these.

[ZeusWillJudge]

yes, he is very similar to DeRozan, but he's also way better than Bryn Forbes and Trey Lyles. And he shot 38% from 3 in back to back seasons. I'd take him in a heartbeat. The bar is low


You're right. That is low fucking bar. I've said is that I would take anyone over Forbes. I can't go back on that. But I think if I was going to pick the worst combination of traits for a player coming to this team, it would be another one who plays the game just like DeRozan. He's a hard guy to build around. Working around another one just seems like beating your head into a wall. I don't hate him, but I hate him on the same team as DeRozan.

Before anyone just writes off what I'm saying consider this:

Last year, Winslow played 66 games for Miami. (The 11 games this year are too small of a sample.) His shooting looked like this:

1Q - .468
2Q - .481
3Q - .418
4Q - .359

Does that look at all familiar? I know DDR has played better this year, but that is exactly one of the big things people screamed about earlier in his career, and when he came to SA. There are a lot of similarities, but that one is quick and easy to take in. He does shoot more 3's than DDR, I'll give you that. But not enough, and he's not a sharpshooter by any means.

The goal here is not just to get a player, it's to win. This team already has a bunch of mis-matched parts. We bitch about it all the time. I'm sort of freaking myself out thinking this is JUST the kind of player Pop will decide to go for.

[KobesAchilles]

Breaking news! San Antonio Spurs have decided to trade nobody. Pop is sitting tight with his finger up his butt hoping that somehow Bryn Forbes carries us to the playoffs.

[tbdog]

They have Iggy a two year extension. Gee.

[tbdog]

I'm pretty sure Iggy avg like 8ppg last year and hasn't played a minute this year. 15mil per year contract. My god.

[LCM]

Miami and Memphis are looking at expanding into three team deal. Speculation is it will be OKC.

[MannyIsGod]

Lol and thats as bad as the gasol extension

[loveforthegame]

https://mobile.twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1225232434335232000

[Leetonidas]

Paying 30 million to a 37/38 year old perimeter player that can't shoot? :lmao wtf Miami

[DPG21920]

Iggy is better than Rudy

[spurs10]

Iggy better be purchasing some very expensive champagne tonight. $30 million will buy a lot. Miami will be a lot of fun for him with all that spare change.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225234947541172224

[sasaint]

https://mobile.twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1225232434335232000

That's just shy of $40MM in contracts that Miami needs to match. I can't wait to see what the Heat look like after the dust settles.

[FkLA]

Winslow headed to MEM. We ain't doing shit.

[Chinook]

That's just shy of $40MM in contracts that Miami needs to match. I can't wait to see what the Heat look like after the dust settles.

It's guessing it's pretty much Winslow for Iggy straight up with the knowledge that Memphis owes Miami a credit. Then I think it's a three-team deal where Memphis loses the value exchange to even out the credit while Miami pays a legit price like Herro for Gallo so that OKC will take back some multi-year deals.

[DPG21920]

Pretty incredible that MEM turned taking Iggy off of GS hands into Winslow and a first round pick. Amazing use of space to gather assets

[LCM]

Dragic, Winslow, and Johnson/Olynyk should be enough salaries

[spurs10]

Iggy is better than Rudy I wouldn't argue that though Rudy had a pretty good year last season. The price seems a bit steep, but it always does compared to most salaries.

[sasaint]

It's guessing it's pretty much Winslow for Iggy straight up with the knowledge that Memphis owes Miami a credit. Then I think it's a three-team deal where Memphis loses the value exchange to even out the credit while Miami pays a legit price like Herro for Gallo so that OKC will take back some multi-year deals.

OKC would be looking okay - even with CP3's contract. With all the picks they have plus a few young guns, that's a team with a future. I am jealous.

[mo7888]

2nd year of Iggy's deal is non guaranteed

[DPG21920]

I wouldn't argue that though Rudy had a pretty good year last season. The price seems a bit steep, but it always does compared to most salaries.

Yeah - I don’t like the extension, but saying Rudy got similar and I think Iggy is better than Rudy.

[sasaint]

Pretty incredible that MEM turned taking Iggy off of GS hands into Winslow and a first round pick. Amazing use of space to gather assets

Some front offices can, you know, figure shit out.

[sasaint]

2nd year of Iggy's deal is non guaranteed


AHHHH!

[slick'81]

Atleast we can put Winslow coming here to rest

[BacktoBasics]

I was never that hot on Winslow. I don’t think the guy has ever played 70+ games in his 4 or so seasons.

[Collins21]

Yeah - I don’t like the extension, but saying Rudy got similar and I think Iggy is better than Rudy.
How would you know that?? You haven't seen him play and last time they both played Rudy was miles better.

[MoSpur02]

Didn't want Winslow here. At all.

[sasaint]

Didn't want Winslow here. At all.

This.

[gambit1990]

ugh, i don't want okc to ship out gallo. i wanted to see them compete in the POs. they could be the 6th seed by tonight.

[BWS-1994]

ugh, i don't want okc to ship out gallo. i wanted to see them compete in the POs. they could be the 6th seed by tonight.

I wonder how it would affect their standing without Gallo?

[slick'81]

I wonder how it would affect their standing without Gallo?

Well find out soon with two games vs them coming up

[emanueldavidginobili]

Winslow is a really good fit for Memphis, a much better fit than SA

[BWS-1994]

Winslow is a really good fit for Memphis, a much better fit than SA

Kyle Anderson has to be going out with Winslow incoming?

[gambit1990]

I wonder how it would affect their standing without Gallo?
definitely depends on what the thunder get back. gallo has been great this year and has stayed healthy. he's a perfect fit for the thunder.

if they move on from him then going after bertans makes even more sense than before.

[UZER]

There are going to be some serious changes in the next CBA.

[look_at_g_shred]

Would love to get Gordon somehow

[emanueldavidginobili]

Kyle Anderson has to be going out with Winslow incoming?
Not sure, he’s barley playing 17 MPG. I think they’re moving Jae Crowder

[FkLA]

definitely depends on what the thunder get back. gallo has been great this year and has stayed healthy. he's a perfect fit for the thunder.

if they move on from him then going after bertans makes even more sense than before.

Are they actually trying to improve though? I figured they were still going to try to be sellers at the deadline.

[eDizzle20]

Winslow headed to MEM. We ain't doing shit.

Love what Memphis has done with their team. Morant pick was a no-brainer, but guys like Clarke, Brooks, Jonas, Melton, and Jaren Jackson have been terrific. Pop refuses to rebuild. This team will not move on until Pop has retired.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1225242959223894016

[timtonymanu]

I love that move for Grizzlies. Hopefully they continue their hot streak heading into the final stretch of the year

[gambit1990]

Are they actually trying to improve though? I figured they were still going to try to be sellers at the deadline.
okc is in a strange place. but a very, very fortunate one.

reports have come out that okc themselves are quite unsure of how they want to approach the rest of the reason. if i were them i would've tried trading for bertans and iggy. they're loaded with picks as it is... i really wanted them to say fûck it and go compete.

[tim_duncan_fan]

There is not enough talent in the NBA for 30 teams.

[gambit1990]

gallinari might be the most underrated player in the game tbh. he's had health issues before but has been healthy this season.

the dude can shoot the lights out, has fantastic court vision / passing ability for a big, and he can throw down. the dude has had some monster dunks so far this season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxIcTCh9Jk

[mo7888]

I hope Gallo stays in okc, then maybe riley will turn his attention to the spurs (LMA or Gay). They really seem to want a 3rd team in this deal.

[ismael-robert]

Well Memphis will now ensure we're not getting 8th seed back

[DC23]

Galo is never healthy. I wouldn't want him on my team for that reason alone.

[slick'81]

Well Memphis will now ensure we're not getting 8th seed back

yea Memphis is gearing up for the playoffs

[slick'81]

gallinari might be the most underrated player in the game tbh. he's had health issues before but has been healthy this season.

the dude can shoot the lights out, has fantastic court vision / passing ability for a big, and he can throw down. the dude has had some monster dunks so far this season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxIcTCh9Jk


Gallo is a helluva talent but injuries have always held him back

[tbdog]

He also draws contact. Love his game. He is fun to watch. Always wanted him. Suits any era.

[SAGirl]

Pretty incredible that MEM turned taking Iggy off of GS hands into Winslow and a first round pick. Amazing use of space to gather assets
Not only that, they were able to get out from the Chandler Parsons terrible deal and get Solomon Hill for him, who played for them through the season eating minutes + mentoring their kids and can be salary ballast in other trades if need be. I have been watching from afar and their FO has done a good job turning the team that was a laughing stock at the bottom with Gasol fighting with his Coach and Conley injured, into an interesting youngin upcoming team. It was rather easy to turn around once they decided to move on from GAsol and Conley. Sure, it's not like they are contending or anything, but they built a young team that's exciting to watch with young players that can get better and grow together and they got a coach that is developing the team to outperform expectations. That is as remarkable a turnaround as I have seen.


The Spurs need to pivot and move on to a rebuild. If they had done that when Kawhi left, there have been franchise caliber players in the past couple of drafts they could have had. oh well.

[UZER]

Nothing can change this franchises overall approach/direction and player attitudes until Pop retires. Nothing.

[ceperez]

Not only that, they were able to get out from the Chandler Parsons terrible deal and get Solomon Hill for him, who played for them through the season eating minutes + mentoring their kids and can be salary ballast in other trades if need be. I have been watching from afar and their FO has done a good job turning the team that was a laughing stock at the bottom with Gasol fighting with his Coach and Conley injured, into an interesting youngin upcoming team. It was rather easy to turn around once they decided to move on from GAsol and Conley. Sure, it's not like they are contending or anything, but they built a young team that's exciting to watch with young players that can get better and grow together and they got a coach that is developing the team to outperform expectations. That is as remarkable a turnaround as I have seen.


The Spurs need to pivot and move on to a rebuild. If they had done that when Kawhi left, there have been franchise caliber players in the past couple of drafts they could have had. oh well.

Memphis FO is running circles around the Spurs. They traded away their old timers (Gasol and Conley) and now have rebuilt there team with a lot of young assets.

[Dverde]

They have Iggy a two year extension. Gee.

yeah I couldn’t believe that shit was legit. I’d rather have Rudy Gay than Iggy at this point. Wonder if the Spurs turned down Winslow and filler for Gay...

[sasaint]

Well Memphis will now ensure we're not getting 8th seed back

We were never getting back to 8th - on our own merits alone.

[slick'81]

Memphis FO is running circles around the Spurs. They traded away their old timers (Gasol and Conley) and now have rebuilt there team with a lot of young assets.


Okc is alo in that process and in the playoff hunt

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225252407006912512

[sasaint]

Memphis FO is running circles around the Spurs. They traded away their old timers (Gasol and Conley) and now have rebuilt there team with a lot of young assets.

Another team with a future for me to envy. Is the Old Asshole too oblivious for either the OKC or Memphis maneuvers to grab even a little bit of his attention?

[emanueldavidginobili]

1225250575857725440

:lol

[BWS-1994]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225252407006912512

Wow ATL owning!

[sasaint]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225252407006912512

So, does Atlanta really want both Deadman and Capela or is there yet another move up their sleeve?