NBA Trade Deadline 2020

[ZeusWillJudge]

Your post doesn't hit the mark as they traded Hill for Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins. Wallace was considered a marginal player. They coul have easily gotten those players with or without Hill.


LMAO. First you argue how wise the Pistons were for trading superstar Grant Hill for those guys, then you turn right around and say they could have easily gotten those same players without trading superstar Grant Hill for them?

You don't even have an argument. Just say whatever is convenient.

[TimDunkem]

DrewShow would be the worst GM. LMA/DD for capspace (which we could have if we let these pieces walk) and one first?

Vomit.

[look_at_g_shred]

NY shopping Knox. I could see the knicks having interest in DDR.

[ZeusWillJudge]

No mention of the Knicks, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Pistons, and Twolves. How many lotteries do they need for things to finally work out?


So you're saying that the problem with those teams is that they got lottery picks? Well there's a bright lad.

There's no cure for dumbass. In NBA front offices, or on message boards.

[TimDunkem]

Celts did well for themselves after stockpiling picks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs won't do shit. Flopovich thinks once the players understand his overrated system they will win more games

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs won't do shit. Flopovich thinks once the players understand his overrated system they will win more games

:pop: "These guys just aren't pounding the rock."

[spurspl]

NY shopping Knox. I could see the knicks having interest in DDR.
source?

ddr and 2nd pick for randle and knox would be fine ��

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs will never deal with the Knicks after what happened with Marcus Morris

[look_at_g_shred]

source?

ddr and 2nd pick for randle and knox would be fine ��
https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-trade-offers-for-knicks-kevin-knox-frank-ntilikina-dennis-smith-jr-not-strong-enough/

[spurspl]

Spurs will never deal with the Knicks after what happened with Marcus Morris
probably yes. Thats annoying bc when u do business ur emotions should be hiden. U just take the best deal u can get. The same thing was about kawhis trade. Spurs could get much better return but all they wanna was to do what kawhi did not want to. One of the reasons why patfo suck

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs will never deal with the Knicks after what happened with Marcus Morris
If you can get knox on the cheap, you do it tbh

[emanueldavidginobili]

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:spin

[TimDunkem]

probably yes. Thats annoying bc when u do business ur emotions should be hiden. U just take the best deal u can get. The same thing was about kawhis trade. Spurs could get much better return but all they wanna was to do what kawhi did not want to. One of the reasons why patfo suck

It's the reason why they sent him to NBA Siberia. :lol

That blew up in their faces, didn't it?

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs are serious about winning, Forbes, Beli, Rudy and Carroll all need to be moved and they need to upgrade the roster around DeRozan/LMA. i don’t agree with giving up picks or the youth to do that, but if they believe that then they need to do it.

But this roster needs a lot of reshaping if winning is truly a goal.

[RC_Drunkford]

If you can get knox on the cheap, you do it tbh

I agree, but the Knicks would never send him to San Antonio and the Spurs would never deal with the Knicks

[tbdog]

So you're saying that the problem with those teams is that they got lottery picks? Well there's a bright lad.

There's no cure for dumbass. In NBA front offices, or on message boards.

It means, tanking does not guarantee success. Usually you tank for a few years to be in the same situation we are in now.

[DPG21920]

It means, tanking does not guarantee success. Usually you tank for a few years to be in the same situation we are in now.

Which means no harm no foul then. This type of place ( a losing record team) isn’t a big accomplishment and winning 20 games vs 35 really doesn’t matter.

[spurs1990]

Your post doesn't hit the mark as they traded Hill for Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins. Wallace was considered a marginal player. They coul have easily gotten those players with or without Hill.

You will recall Hill signed with Orlando as a free agent. The S&T was for cap purposes to get McGrady and Tim Duncan that summer. Detroit benefited by getting a couple players back as well

[exstatic]

You will recall Hill signed with Orlando as a free agent. The S&T was for cap purposes to get McGrady and Tim Duncan that summer. Detroit benefited by getting a couple players back as well

It was never going to be McGrady and Duncan. McGrady was their soft landing after Tim stiffed them.

[tbdog]

Which means no harm no foul then. This type of place ( a losing record team) isn’t a big accomplishment and winning 20 games vs 35 really doesn’t matter.

For this season, sure. Then DD walks. Losing mentality sets in. You then ride the lottery to be in the same position as last season. Maybe.

[tbdog]

It was never going to be McGrady and Duncan. McGrady was their soft landing after Tim stiffed them.

McGrady was coming for cheaper. Once TD rejected magic offer, they just offered McGrady a bigger contract.

[Chillen]

Imagine the rings Tmac would have if he joined Tim in San Antonio on a cheaper contract in 2000. Spurs would also have Tony and Manu on the way. Prime Tmac was amazing. It would have been the big 4 instead of the big 3.

[spurspl]

Imagine the rings Tmac would have if he joined Tim in San Antonio on a cheaper contract in 2000. Spurs would also have Tony and Manu on the way. Prime Tmac was amazing. It would have been the big 4 instead of the big 3.

now we have also a big4: lma ddr forbes and beli

[DPG21920]

For this season, sure. Then DD walks. Losing mentality sets in. You then ride the lottery to be in the same position as last season. Maybe.

You mean that same losing mentality with DeRozan like we have now where they aren’t on track to even have a winning record despite being fully healthy? That losing mentality?

[DPG21920]

McGrady was coming for cheaper. Once TD rejected magic offer, they just offered McGrady a bigger contract.

This is true; thats how I remember that going down

[cool cat]

Spurs whole off-season.

You trade Bertans for nothing.
Morris doesn't sign with you.
Carroll now getting traded or bought out, even if he stays he is still a bust.

That's a terrible off-season, even if it's not 100% their fault, you have to fire that GM.

*Forgot, signed Trey Lyles the worst starting PF/C in the league. It's Pop fault that he is starting though so I don't blame the GM for that.

[tbdog]

Yes. Bad off season. But it looked like a near perfect one.

[tbdog]

You mean that same losing mentality with DeRozan like we have now where they aren’t on track to even have a winning record despite being fully healthy? That losing mentality?

DD has a pretty good winning record. He is our best player and deserves all-star selection. DD deserves no blame for this team.

[TD 21]

The Poeltl rumors make no sense . . . which makes perfect sense for the Spurs senile front office of the past 4 years.

3 team trade . . .

To Hornets: Lee
To Mavericks: Carroll, Belinelli
To Spurs: Williams, Broekhoff

Hornets save a prorated $2.2 million and do right by a respected veteran.
Mavericks get a bigger 3ish and Dish wing and more proven shooter, while staying salary neutral.
Spurs get an upgrade in shooting, stop gap starting "PF" and a cheaper, younger shooter. They add a prorated $3.6 million, but still easily duck the tax.



Celtics. Outliner because they were on the receiving end of one of the most lopsided deals, taking advantage of a short sighted billionair. Not only is the Nets a good example of not what to do, but despite the lopsided deal, Celtics only got to hold onto Brown and Tantum. Lottery picks after another, they only had Irving for 2 years.

Cuban ruined Dirks last 8 or so years in the league, only making the playoffs for half the time. Cuban gave up on trying to defend thier campionship to make a run in free agency in 2013, to miss out. Despite cap space, they sat in the lottery for 3 staight years.

Pelicans had one of the best bigs in the league, despite having that number 1 pick, they got in the second round once. What makes it seem this time it's different?

Did you really bring up the Suns and the Kings. How many lotteries do they want to have until they finally make a splash?

Hawks and Memphis are run similarlly too the Spurs. It wasn't long ago the Hawks were in the eastern conference finals. Memphis, like the Spurs, have always been loyal.

Your right, Nuggets success was dependant on Jokic, drafted in the second round. Their second best player (max contract) Murray, is not something they should be banking on.

Sixers, they were the laughing stock of the NBA, and wasn't it Stern that forced the Sixers to fire their GM? They not only hold the worst winning percentage in league history but they also hold the most consequetive losses. Despite this, they had two overally number 1 picks, two overall number 3, and one number 10. If it wasn't for Embid leg injury whom fell to 3, the Sixers wouldn't have much. And despite the cap space with all these rookie contracts, they blew their load on Harris.

No mention of the Knicks, Hornets, Bulls, Cavs, Pistons, and Twolves. How many lotteries do they need for things to finally work out?



What does any of this have to do with the original question? It's not about the reasoning behind how they received it, it's about the fact that they possesses it and where it was mostly derived from.

I'm not suggesting that all these teams are on their way to championship contention, just that they have legit core (either already superstars or stars or the potential to be) building blocks, unlike the Spurs.

One adendum: Despite the questionable long term health outlook, I actually think Porter Jr. is the second best Nuggets building block.

[sasaint]

Imagine the rings Tmac would have if he joined Tim in San Antonio on a cheaper contract in 2000. Spurs would also have Tony and Manu on the way. Prime Tmac was amazing. It would have been the big 4 instead of the big 3.

Big 4 would not have lasted as long as Big 3. Not enough $.

[Prime BEEF]

https://i.imgur.com/gaTORYE.png

spurs wouldn't be a laughingstock anymore.
This trade would improve the team. I think there are better trades out there but I’d prefer this to doing nothing

[John B]

Imagine the rings Tmac would have if he joined Tim in San Antonio on a cheaper contract in 2000. Spurs would also have Tony and Manu on the way. Prime Tmac was amazing. It would have been the big 4 instead of the big 3.
Bowen >>> TMac on defense. I know it's always the Big 3, but I don't think Spurs ring without a lockdown perimeter defensive guy.. Elliott, Bowen and Kawhi just imo

[mo7888]

Hypothetically, Philly may be getting a little desperate and that'll only grow if they lose to the Heat. I'm not a big Harris guy and I wouldn't want to trade for him myself (at his current salary) but, I could see Pop doing something like this thinking he could still have a shot at the 8th seed and getting an asset back:

Would we?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ufcwf8u

[exstatic]

McGrady was coming for cheaper. Once TD rejected magic offer, they just offered McGrady a bigger contract.

Uh, no. As a 20 YO, he averaged 15.4p/6.3r/3.3a, and was unrestricted under the CBA existing at the time, like Tim. He was gonna get PAID and wouldn't need to take a discount from anyone. There was no lower contract offered. There was no contract offered at all until Tim backed out. Orlando had two MAX slots, and they had already signed Grant Hill. It was Duncan OR McGrady.

[sasaint]

Hypothetically, Philly may be getting a little desperate and that'll only grow if they lose to the Heat. I'm not a big Harris guy and I wouldn't want to trade for him myself (at his current salary) but, I could see Pop doing something like this thinking he could still have a shot at the 8th seed and getting an asset back:

Would we?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ufcwf8u

In a heartbeat.

[spurspl]

Hypothetically, Philly may be getting a little desperate and that'll only grow if they lose to the Heat. I'm not a big Harris guy and I wouldn't want to trade for him myself (at his current salary) but, I could see Pop doing something like this thinking he could still have a shot at the 8th seed and getting an asset back:

Would we?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ufcwf8u

thats a terrible trade for sixers... even knicks wouldnt that

[exstatic]

Hypothetically, Philly may be getting a little desperate and that'll only grow if they lose to the Heat. I'm not a big Harris guy and I wouldn't want to trade for him myself (at his current salary) but, I could see Pop doing something like this thinking he could still have a shot at the 8th seed and getting an asset back:

Would we?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ufcwf8u

I was running through the trade machine, and was thinking what babies Spurs fans are about our contracts when two basic 3andDs like Tobias Harris and Kris Middleton are making north of 30 fucking million dollars.

In answer to your question, no we wouldn't. You only take on a contract like that if it puts you into the conference finals, at the very least.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28622604/rockets-shopping-center-clint-capela-host-east-teams)
, the Rockets are shopping Capela in trades with Eastern Conference teams -- particularly three-way trades that might allow Houston to nab the draft assets to get an impact wing player. Per the report, the Rockets are hoping a potential trade of Capela -- or Capela-involved deals -- would net them a wing player by the 3 p.m. ET deadline on Thursday.

But...but... picks in this upcoming draft are worthless. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

It means, tanking does not guarantee success. Usually you tank for a few years to be in the same situation we are in now.

Nothing guarantees success. And nothing guarantees failure quite as much as mismanagement. Finding untapped talent is sort of the game in the draft AND in trades. Nobody wants to give up a better player than they ship.

Building a contender usually depends on both the draft and the trade/FA market. Ignoring the value of a top-tier player on a cheap rookie contract is ridiculous. Ideally, you put together a nucleus of young players and let them grow up together. That way you own their Bird Rights so you can afford to sign them when they're finally ripe. THEN you add pieces through trades and/or free agency.

The Spurs were at the bottom of the draft for 20 or so years. Only recently have they even gotten talent from the middle. There are always hidden gems in every draft, but the talent is still concentrated at the top. If they're capable of finding pretty good players in the middle, they should have a better chance than most teams of finding exceptional talent nearer the top. And if they can't do that, they're just as screwed trying to do the same thing in the trade market, aren't they?

[sasaint]

Nothing guarantees success. And nothing guarantees failure quite as much as mismanagement. Finding untapped talent is sort of the game in the draft AND in trades. Nobody wants to give up a better player than they ship.

Building a contender usually depends on both the draft and the trade/FA market. Ignoring the value of a top-tier player on a cheap rookie contract is ridiculous. Ideally, you put together a nucleus of young players and let them grow up together. That way you own their Bird Rights so you can afford to sign them when they're finally ripe. THEN you add pieces through trades and/or free agency.

The Spurs were at the bottom of the draft for 20 or so years. Only recently have they even gotten talent from the middle. There are always hidden gems in every draft, but the talent is still concentrated at the top. If they're capable of finding pretty good players in the middle, they should have a better chance than most teams of finding exceptional talent nearer the top. And if they can't do that, they're just as screwed trying to do the same thing in the trade market, aren't they?

Good points until the final line. For some reason PATFO plays the draft game much better than the trade game - or FA game.

[RC_Drunkford]

But...but... picks in this upcoming draft are worthless. :lol


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The Rockets don't want picks for the draft. They want picks so they can trade for Covington

[Dex]

The good news is that we only have 3 more days to wonder if the Spurs will do something.

[spurs1990]

Uh, no. As a 20 YO, he averaged 15.4p/6.3r/3.3a, and was unrestricted under the CBA existing at the time, like Tim. He was gonna get PAID and wouldn't need to take a discount from anyone. There was no lower contract offered. There was no contract offered at all until Tim backed out. Orlando had two MAX slots, and they had already signed Grant Hill. It was Duncan OR McGrady.

I'm sure you're correct but I blame ESPN for spreading fluff reenactments of the older times.
This is one of two segments that claimed the Orlando big 3 was on the table pending TD saying yes. So evidently it aired for entertainment purposes

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[dbestpro]

LMAO. First you argue how wise the Pistons were for trading superstar Grant Hill for those guys, then you turn right around and say they could have easily gotten those same players without trading superstar Grant Hill for them?

You don't even have an argument. Just say whatever is convenient.
You just make it up as you go. I bet you talk to yourself a lot. The Hill deal was historical reference and had little to do with the original post. No need to go any further with the comprehensive challenged.

[CGD]

Hypothetically, Philly may be getting a little desperate and that'll only grow if they lose to the Heat. I'm not a big Harris guy and I wouldn't want to trade for him myself (at his current salary) but, I could see Pop doing something like this thinking he could still have a shot at the 8th seed and getting an asset back:

Would we?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ufcwf8u

Man I had a similar thought today, but Got damn was that Harris contract! That’s as untouchable as untouchable gets.

On the flip side, we’re gonna suck for a while so why not be a graveyard for a few years?

[SpurPadre]

This thread is more fruitless than Load Management's thread, tbh.

[tbdog]

Nothing guarantees success. And nothing guarantees failure quite as much as mismanagement. Finding untapped talent is sort of the game in the draft AND in trades. Nobody wants to give up a better player than they ship.

Building a contender usually depends on both the draft and the trade/FA market. Ignoring the value of a top-tier player on a cheap rookie contract is ridiculous. Ideally, you put together a nucleus of young players and let them grow up together. That way you own their Bird Rights so you can afford to sign them when they're finally ripe. THEN you add pieces through trades and/or free agency.

The Spurs were at the bottom of the draft for 20 or so years. Only recently have they even gotten talent from the middle. There are always hidden gems in every draft, but the talent is still concentrated at the top. If they're capable of finding pretty good players in the middle, they should have a better chance than most teams of finding exceptional talent nearer the top. And if they can't do that, they're just as screwed trying to do the same thing in the trade market, aren't they?

People here want a change for a sake of a change because for once our future is bleak. As Chinook said and was totally ignored, Spurs can gut and tank at any time. Currently the Spurs will have cap space in 2021, with Samanic, Johnson, Walker, White, Murray, and two more 1st round rookies. That's our future.

[sasaint]

Same shit with Bill Simmons(faggot hack) wrote the "Tank" 96-97 San Antonio Spurs season and it's become cannon. 70% of his "big book" is from shit his daddy told him anyway. Shit, David breaks his foot and sits out the rest of the season and faggot Billy Boy says that he could have come back that season.

WTF?

For a GUY writing about basketball history did he not write about Bill Walton and his foot problems, Sam Bowie with his foot problems,and Ralph Samson with BACK problems? David had both, sow why would Pop want him to return early for any fucking reason that season. Lottery is a lottery not a guarantee. This is what media hacks do. Recreate reality and history to for entertainment purposes. Dave was THE FRANCHISE.

I never thought it was as much for entertainment purposes as 1) dragging down the Spurs' organization and 2) providing revisionist legitimacy for more recent "tanking" strategies.

[Excessive Egotist]

Man I had a similar thought today, but Got damn was that Harris contract! That’s as untouchable as untouchable gets.

On the flip side, we’re gonna suck for a while so why not be a graveyard for a few years?

Swap Horford for Harris...

[Excessive Egotist]

Man I had a similar thought today, but Got damn was that Harris contract! That’s as untouchable as untouchable gets.

On the flip side, we’re gonna suck for a while so why not be a graveyard for a few years?

Horford would be useful if Spurs also had a deal for Aldridge, but otherwise I'd guess they'd rather have Harris, even at his awful number.

[mo7888]

Man I had a similar thought today, but Got damn was that Harris contract! That’s as untouchable as untouchable gets.

On the flip side, we’re gonna suck for a while so why not be a graveyard for a few years?

I love the diversity of thought here...lol... some people saying Sixers would balk....some saying the harris contract is an albatross.....

I agree with you and ex.... that harris contract scares me to death. I think the Sixers would do it in a heartbeat.... I could see pop doing it too...

[DPG21920]

People here want a change for a sake of a change because for once our future is bleak. As Chinook said and was totally ignored, Spurs can gut and tank at any time. Currently the Spurs will have cap space in 2021, with Samanic, Johnson, Walker, White, Murray, and two more 1st round rookies. That's our future.

Spurs are already tanking; if you don’t have a winning record you are no different than intentionally losing. Losing is losing.

The difference is, when you have a direction, you can maximize (key word, there are no guarantees) your chances at getting good again.

Spurs will have all those things you mentioned in a blow up + more. Right now what they have isn’t worth investing in which is why you are saying in 2021 they will have cap space anyways.

So you dont want extra picks so that you can have two seasons in a row of 35-38 wins? Gotcha.

[Mugen]

:lol Again, it's just people infatuated with a meaningless playoff record that nobody knows who currently owns without the aid of a Google search....

[JeffDuncan]

:lol Again, it's just people infatuated with a meaningless playoff record that nobody knows who currently owns without the aid of a Google search....


You know.

But okay, you're nobody.

[Mugen]

You know.

But okay, you're nobody.

:lol I hope you have fun at the Spurs got swept in the 1st round parade if they miraculously make it in.

[mo7888]

The Heat are just torching Philly. That's a team that's likely to make a trade or two this week. It could be a small move to add a has been shooter but, they might move one of their 4 high salaried guys. It's just hard to see them standing pat..

[CGD]

The Heat are just torching Philly. That's a team that's likely to make a trade or two this week. It could be a small move to add a has been shooter but, they might move one of their 4 high salaried guys. It's just hard to see them standing pat..

Does Philly have any decent pick assets left?

[mo7888]

Does Philly have any decent pick assets left?

I found this on RealGM-2020 first round draft pick from Oklahoma City
Oklahoma City's 2020 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Philadelphia to Orlando) protected for selections 1-20; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Oklahoma City will instead convey its 2022 2nd round pick and 2023 2nd round pick to Philadelphia [Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 11/1/2016; Orlando-Philadelphia, 6/22/2017; Orlando-Philadelphia, 2/7/2019]

2020 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2020 2nd round pick to Philadelphia protected for selections 56-60 or to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (Atlanta's obligation to Philadelphia or Boston will thereafter be extinguished) [Atlanta-Boston, 2/7/2019; Atlanta-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019]

2020 second round draft pick from Brooklyn or New York (more favorable)
Philadelphia will receive the more favorable of Brooklyn's 2020 2nd round pick and New York's 2020 2nd round pick and Boston will receive the less favorable of the two (via Philadelphia to Orlando to Charlotte) [Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 12/11/2014; New York-Philadelphia, 6/26/2015; Orlando-Philadelphia, 6/22/2017; Charlotte-Chicago-Orlando, 7/7/2018; Boston-Charlotte, 7/6/2019]

2020 second round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 2020 2nd round pick to Philadelphia [Dallas-Philadelphia, 2/23/2017]

2021 second round draft pick from Denver
Denver's 2021 2nd round pick to Philadelphia [Denver-Philadelphia, 7/6/2018]

2021 second round draft pick from New York
New York's 2021 2nd round pick to Philadelphia [New York-Philadelphia, 6/26/2015]

2022 second round draft pick from Toronto
Toronto's 2022 2nd round pick to Philadelphia [Philadelphia-Toronto, 2/6/2019]

2023 second round draft pick from Atlanta, Charlotte or Brooklyn (most favorable)
Philadelphia will receive the most favorable of Atlanta's 2023 2nd round pick, Charlotte's 2023 2nd round pick and Brooklyn's 2023 2nd round pick and Atlanta will receive the second most favorable and Brooklyn will receive the least favorable of the three (via Atlanta's right to swap Atlanta or Charlotte for Brooklyn) [Atlanta-Charlotte, 6/21/2018; Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018; Atlanta-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to Philadelphia (via Cleveland to Detroit) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation to Atlanta and/or Philadelphia will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019]

[Prime BEEF]

Forbes/Marco/Mills/Gay/Poetl for Griffin/Kennard

With exception of Poetl we get to dump our trash, Detroit gets out of griffin’s contract and we gain two legit starters

[Dverde]

Forbes/Marco/Mills/Gay/Poetl for Griffin/Kennard

With exception of Poetl we get to dump our trash, Detroit gets out of griffin’s contract and we gain two legit starters

Forbes is our future. Did you not get the memo?

[Joseph Kony]

Forbes/Marco/Mills/Gay/Poetl for Griffin/Kennard

With exception of Poetl we get to dump our trash, Detroit gets out of griffin’s contract and we gain two legit starters
that's like half the Spurs rotation players :lol Pop would never do that, especially if it includes Mills. Mills ain't going anywhere boys

[DPG21920]

Memphis is so dope :lol

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[Robz4000]

Memphis is so dope :lol

1224544517103259648

I've lost what respect I had for Iggy after this bullshit. Hope the Grizz just hold on to his rights tbh.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224560561696002048

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224568046271987712

[DPG21920]

Dude, if Luke can get a first round pick with his awful defense, Lonnie/White/Murray could probably fetch a lottery pick :lol

[Robz4000]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224568046271987712

That unit will give up twice as much as they score tbh.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Rockets don't want picks for the draft. They want picks so they can trade for Covington




It says in the article that they want to make a trade for a wing before the deadline. Why would Minny ship RoCo for a worthless pick?

Doesn't matter now anyway. The Spurs are going to get another mid-tier pick.

[Mugen]

Only the fucking Suns would be dumb enough to trade a 1st rounder for fucking Luke Kennard :lol

I hope it's lightly protected too, crofl at fucking Sarver.

[tbdog]

Spurs are already tanking; if you don’t have a winning record you are no different than intentionally losing. Losing is losing.

The difference is, when you have a direction, you can maximize (key word, there are no guarantees) your chances at getting good again.

Spurs will have all those things you mentioned in a blow up + more. Right now what they have isn’t worth investing in which is why you are saying in 2021 they will have cap space anyways.

So you dont want extra picks so that you can have two seasons in a row of 35-38 wins? Gotcha.

What LMA and DD are doing is fine. They are clearly our best players. It's pretty obvious our role players, mainly our depth is lacking. Murray injury has set him back a year. Carroll signing is a waste. Gay got a year at a year quicker. Teams must always surround youth with vets, *good vets. Teams that go full youth movement usually implode.

[duncan2k5]

What LMA and DD are doing is fine. They are clearly our best players. It's pretty obvious our role players, mainly our depth is lacking. Murray injury has set him back a year. Carroll signing is a waste. Gay got a year at a year quicker. Teams must always surround youth with vets, *good vets. Teams that go full youth movement usually implode.

Ur really trying to build a championship team around LMA and DDR? good God ppl on here are dumb

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Philly need shooting but they’re not taking Belli or Forbes - they have their own Belli in Korkmaz, they need someone different like Bogdanovic but don’t have the assets.

[tbdog]

Ur really trying to build a championship team around LMA and DDR? good God ppl on here are dumb

We are not. But whatever the Spurs get for them in a package won't be either. So what's the point of matching salary to gain a pick?

[spurspl]

Ur really trying to build a championship team around LMA and DDR? good God ppl on here are dumb

they also thought spurs are contenders before this season

[San Antonio Slayer]

we need a swingman and a good scoring bigman in the starting five. I would still love to have Mikhailyuk instead of Forbes there. He is a unique shooter with a rookie contract and he is 200 cm. Julius Randle as a helper for LMA instead of Lyles. Gay+Carrol+Belli+Forbes into the trade machine.

1st unit: White+DDR+Mikhailyuk+Randle+LMA

2nd unit: Mills+Murray+Walker+Jacob+Lyles

And we are easily a contender once again.

[Prime BEEF]

they also thought spurs are contenders before this season
Yeah that was a little ridiculous. They were putting all their eggs in the “Murray is a great player and will put us over the top basket.”

Murray is an ok backup PG...kind of.

[spurspl]

if myles turner is really on the trading block

turner/brogdon for ddr/poeltl/murray

next
covington for mill/forbes 1st 2020 and 2nd 2021

brogdon/white/covington/lma/turner

competetive now and prospective in future

[TimDunkem]

^Spurs don't fleece teams. The Spurs get fleeced.

[Prime BEEF]

^Spurs don't fleece teams. The Spurs get fleeced.
It’s hard not to have a negative outlook right now as a spurs fan. If we get picks, you know they’ll make bad picks. If we get cap space, you know they’ll overpay bad players. If they make a trade, you know we’ll get fleeced. If they do nothing, we’ll still suck.

things aren’t looking good.

[spurspl]

^Spurs don't fleece teams. The Spurs get fleeced.

agree but if we tanked im pretty sure minesota would strongly consider taking our 1st for covington.
imho pacers would also consider this trade. murray/oladipo/ddr/sabonis/poeltl if their plans are short term (which i think their r bc of last 2yrs oladipo) then adding ddr and two young def players raises their chances in POs and doesnt tear down future.

[TimDunkem]

agree but if we tanked im pretty sure minesota would strongly consider taking our 1st for covington.
imho pacers would also consider this trade. murray/oladipo/ddr/sabonis/poeltl if their plans are short term (which i think their r bc of last 2yrs oladipo) then adding ddr and two young def players raises their chances in POs and doesnt tear down future.

I don't think they'd do it but, man, it would be nice to get back the player they SHOULD'VE drafted: Brogdon

[sasaint]

I don't think they'd do it but, man, it would be nice to get back the player they SHOULD'VE drafted: Brogdon

Friend, it kills me every time you bring up Malcolm. I was absolutely giddy over the possibility that the Spurs would draft a guy from my alma mater. I posted a lengthy article downstairs from the Charlottesville Daily Progress about Brogdon, his leadership, and his being a life-long fan of the Spurs. I was crushed when we passed on him. I have tried to forget... We even drafted Brogdon-light, Derrick, to try to recapture what we had lost... But we know that boat has sailed. I think spurspl has some realistic proposals, but there are way too many moving parts for the Old Asshole to consider, and too many of his pets departing. Won't happen, but those proposals aren't as unrealistic as some.

[Darius Bieber]

Friend, it kills me every time you bring up Malcolm. I was absolutely giddy over the possibility that the Spurs would draft a guy from my alma mater. I posted a lengthy article downstairs from the Charlottesville Daily Progress about Brogdon, his leadership, and his being a life-long fan of the Spurs. I was crushed when we passed on him. I have tried to forget... We even drafted Brogdon-light, Derrick, to try to recapture what we had lost... But we know that boat has sailed. I think spurspl (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54768) has some realistic proposals, but there are way too many moving parts for the Old Asshole to consider, and too many of his pets departing. Won't happen, but those proposals aren't as unrealistic as some.

It's better for Brogdon that he got drafted by the Bucks. Otherwise, his career would have been wasted in Austin. Let's face it, players don't want to come to the Spurs anymore. They don't want to come from college just to be in the G-League because now they can just go to the G-League straight out of high school anyways.

[sasaint]

It's better for Brogdon that he got drafted by the Bucks. Otherwise, his career would have been wasted in Austin. Let's face it, players don't want to come to the Spurs anymore. They don't want to come from college just to be in the G-League because now they can just go to the G-League straight out of high school anyways.

That's exactly how I console myself. When I consider everything from Malcolm's perspective I am really glad we didn't draft him. The Old Asshole is killing (has killed?) the Spurs.

[sasaint]

Yeah that was a little ridiculous. They were putting all their eggs in the “Murray is a great player and will put us over the top basket.”

Murray is an ok backup PG...kind of.

Properly handled, Dijon should become a very good SG - Danny Green with better handles and boarding.

[spurspl]

I don't think they'd do it but, man, it would be nice to get back the player they SHOULD'VE drafted: Brogdon
truu, brogdon>murray

spurs also can add to this trade loonie and then i think pacers should take it no matter what. Its still works $. On the other hand we lose quite a lot of youngies but imo still worth it.


Friend, it kills me every time you bring up Malcolm. I was absolutely giddy over the possibility that the Spurs would draft a guy from my alma mater. I posted a lengthy article downstairs from the Charlottesville Daily Progress about Brogdon, his leadership, and his being a life-long fan of the Spurs. I was crushed when we passed on him. I have tried to forget... We even drafted Brogdon-light, Derrick, to try to recapture what we had lost... But we know that boat has sailed. I think spurspl (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54768) has some realistic proposals, but there are way too many moving parts for the Old Asshole to consider, and too many of his pets departing. Won't happen, but those proposals aren't as unrealistic as some.
thanks mate, ofc thats only hipothetical trades. Imo pretty realistic and win for every team. However, as u said, highly unlikely to happen bc of pop.

[BacktoBasics]

Pacers don’t do that trade even with Lonnie. Really neither team should do that trade.

[RC_Drunkford]

It says in the article that they want to make a trade for a wing before the deadline. Why would Minny ship RoCo for a worthless pick?

Doesn't matter now anyway. The Spurs are going to get another mid-tier pick.

Minny wants 2 picks. So the Rockets will try to somehow get 2 picks to trade them for RoCo

[duncan2150]

https://hoopshype.com/2020/02/04/nba-trade-rumors-dangelo-russell-warriors-knicks-timberwolves/

"As far as potential landing spots for Russell, there were a few teams that consistently popped up in responses from league execs. One Eastern Conference executive told HoopsHype: “With D-Lo, I could see a lot of teams at least discussing him.I could see the San Antonio Spurs, New York Knicks, Oklahoma City Thunder and Detroit Pistons all trying to see if there would be a deal – and probably some other teams too.” (https://hoopshype.com/2020/02/04/nba-trade-rumors-dangelo-russell-warriors-knicks-timberwolves/) Another responded to us: “Minnesota is possible and, I agree, they make sense. If not Minnesota, New York could be a possible landing spot.” – via HoopsHype (https://hoopshype.com/2020/02/04/nba-trade-rumors-dangelo-russell-warriors-knicks-timberwolves/)

[Dejounte]

Lonnie and DJ for Russell. You'd be a fool not to do it.

[Leetonidas]

Lonnie and DJ for Russell. You'd be a fool not to do it.

Russell is meh but he would be a definite upgrade at PG. Murray is never going to be the player Pop wants him to be. He can't even hold rookie TPs jock strap unfortunately

[spurspl]

Lonnie and DJ for Russell. You'd be a fool not to do it.

no way gsw would do this

[Excessive Egotist]

https://hoopshype.com/2020/02/04/nba-trade-rumors-dangelo-russell-warriors-knicks-timberwolves/

"As far as potential landing spots for Russell, there were a few teams that consistently popped up in responses from league execs. One Eastern Conference executive told HoopsHype: “With D-Lo, I could see a lot of teams at least discussing him.I could see the San Antonio Spurs, New York Knicks, Oklahoma City Thunder and Detroit Pistons all trying to see if there would be a deal – and probably some other teams too.” (https://hoopshype.com/2020/02/04/nba-trade-rumors-dangelo-russell-warriors-knicks-timberwolves/) Another responded to us: “Minnesota is possible and, I agree, they make sense. If not Minnesota, New York could be a possible landing spot.” – via HoopsHype (https://hoopshype.com/2020/02/04/nba-trade-rumors-dangelo-russell-warriors-knicks-timberwolves/)

Any team that puts picks in the deal has the edge here. Spurs easily have the contracts to make this work, but not sure if they want to part with picks. I hope they don't. It seems that they're more likely the needed third team to facilitate a deal for Minnesota. They have the players to help and could net a player(s) in return, probably Covington but maybe Wiggins. They could also salary dump Carroll onto the Wolves for their trouble.

[Prime BEEF]

DDR/Gay/Mills/Carroll/Marco for CP3/Danilo/Noel/1st Rd Picks

[Excessive Egotist]

DDR/Gay/Mills/Carroll/Marco for CP3/Danilo/Noel/1st Rd Picks

OKC would expect picks back, and wouldn't do this deal on its face. The Thunder are a good team. Why would they want to trade from good to shitty?

[MoSpur02]

What is Golden State wanting in return? Picks? Young players? Expiring contracts? Or all of the above?

If it's expiring then send them Gay (1 year left), Belinelli, Forbes, and some picks.

[MoSpur02]

I'm pretty sure they want more.

[sasaint]

What is Golden State wanting in return? Picks? Young players? Expiring contracts? Or all of the above?

If it's expiring then send them Gay (1 year left), Belinelli, Forbes, and some picks.

WOW! Can you imagine Curry, Klay and... Forbes on the floor together?!

[lmbebo]

WOW! Can you imagine Curry, Klay and... Forbes on the floor together?! Great shooting, 2 subpar defenders ...

[Prime BEEF]

OKC would expect picks back, and wouldn't do this deal on its face. The Thunder are a good team. Why would they want to trade from good to shitty?
CP3’s contract. If they want to get rid of it, they’ll have to throw in picks and an expiring contract. They’ll never get rid of it if they don’t.

[Excessive Egotist]

What is Golden State wanting in return? Picks? Young players? Expiring contracts? Or all of the above?

If it's expiring then send them Gay (1 year left), Belinelli, Forbes, and some picks.

Aldridge is more likely. You can 1:1 player swap and they flip him for something next February if he isn't a good fit. Aldridge and a first might be enough. Or Aldridge, a heavily protected first and Samanic.

If a three team, the Wolves send the pick. Although, I could see the Wolves or Warriors wanting Forbes or Gay. Belinelli is probably bought out and might find his way to a contender. I don't see him having any trade value.

[NASpurs]

At this point, I want changes so bad that any trade sounds great. Murray plus whatever for Russell? Yeah sure, where do I sign up.

[Excessive Egotist]

CP3’s contract. If they want to get rid of it, they’ll have to throw in picks and an expiring contract. They’ll never get rid of it if they don’t.

They could get rid of Paul's contract. Horford. Wiggins. Harris. Griffin. A bundle of contracts from the Clippers. A platter of poo from Miami or NY. He's playing too well to attach assets. They'd just move him for another, slightly less terrible, contract in a worse case scenario. But the Thunder could get pick(s) for Gallinari. If they pair Gallinari with Paul, then there is definitely no leverage to ask for picks.

The Thunder are only a small contract dump away from not having tax issues. Presti is under no pressure. He just needs to move Diallo or Burton for a protected second and he's out of tax jail.

[NASpurs]

WOW! Can you imagine Curry, Klay and... Forbes on the floor together?!

Klay, Curry and baby Curry? It wouldn't be fair to the rest of the league!

[spurspl]

Aldridge is more likely. You can 1:1 player swap and they flip him for something next February if he isn't a good fit. Aldridge and a first might be enough. Or Aldridge, a heavily protected first and Samanic.

If a three team, the Wolves send the pick. Although, I could see the Wolves or Warriors wanting Forbes or Gay. Belinelli is probably bought out and might find his way to a contender. I don't see him having any trade value.

i said that weeks ago that the only things gsw would may consider from us are aldridge and 1st. But to beat other offers which are more attractive spurs would have to offer sth like aldridge/one of murray,loonie (id prefer give them murray) +1st 2020 and 2nd 2021 for drussel/paschall

[Prime BEEF]

DDR/LMA/Poetl to Atl for Hunter/Parsons/Turner/Len/both 1st Rd Picks

[Prime BEEF]

They could get rid of Paul's contract. Horford. Wiggins. Harris. Griffin. A bundle of contracts from the Clippers. A platter of poo from Miami or NY. He's playing too well to attach assets. They'd just move him for another, slightly less terrible, contract in a worse case scenario. But the Thunder could get pick(s) for Gallinari. If they pair Gallinari with Paul, then there is definitely no leverage to ask for picks.

The Thunder are only a small contract dump away from not having tax issues. Presti is under no pressure. He just needs to move Diallo or Burton for a protected second and he's out of tax jail.
Disagree. OKC isn’t going to trade cp3 for another large shitty contract. They’re going to want expiring contracts. They will have to add something to cp3 or else they won’t get any takers

[NASpurs]

DDR/LMA/Poetl to Atl for Hunter/Parsons/Turner/Len/both 1st Rd Picks

Is that I-was-just-involved-in-a-career-ending-car-accident Chandler Parsons? My hatred for this organization would know no bounds if he was headed our way.

[Leetonidas]

Great shooting, 2 subpar defenders ...

I assume you mean that Forbes is so bad at defense he counts as two because Klay and Curry are solid defenders

[MoSpur02]

OKC should trade some of those picks and get a third team involved to get Russell. They're not a bad team and Russell would help that team.

[Excessive Egotist]

i said that weeks ago that the only things gsw would may consider from us are aldridge and 1st. But to beat other offers which are more attractive spurs would have to offer sth like aldridge/one of murray,loonie (id prefer give them murray) +1st 2020 and 2nd 2021 for drussel/paschall

I didn't see your comment before, but I think the Spurs would be overpaying by a player. I wouldn't give up that much for D'Lo. But if Aldridge could net us a return from Wolves, I'd look at those options.

I see Wiggins as having negative trade value (because of his contract) but if taking him back allowed Spurs to get Covington too, I'd look at it. Wiggins is not a 25mm upgrade over Forbes, but he is still a very significant on court upgrade over Forbes. Just having Walker and Wiggins take Forbes' minutes would make the Spurs 5-7 games better. But Spurs would have to figure out how to shed Wiggins' contract later.

And Wiggins still has time to develop into a positive trade value player. Forbes is what he is because he'll never be a good defender.

Splitting our minutes at the four between Covington, Lyles, and potentially Samanic next year makes us much better team too. Wiggins and Covington makes us a more likely 2020-21 postseason contender than running back Aldridge and Forbes.

[Excessive Egotist]

Disagree. OKC isn’t going to trade cp3 for another large shitty contract. They’re going to want expiring contracts. They will have to add something to cp3 or else they won’t get any takers

Presti likes to convert assets into assets. If Paul is viewed as an asset by another team, he'll want something (other than an expiring) that can be converted later. If Paul allows them to be a postseason box office earner without a tax bill, I don't see his contract as a problem. The team would likely earn more money with him on payroll than without. But for the sake of argument, I'll concede your point. Gallinari is the something to add to CP3. Gallinari negates the need to add a pick.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Minny wants 2 picks. So the Rockets will try to somehow get 2 picks to trade them for RoCo


LOL. Yeah, I get it. That's why they were looking for a third party. And my point is still the same to these people who say that tanking for a high pick would somehow be a bad thing. Would have been a bad thing, because it's too fucking late now.

Even if they don't think the Spurs can get a top-tier player in the draft, the higher the pick, the higher the trade value. The playoff appearance record has zero trade value.

[spurspl]

LOL. Yeah, I get it. That's why they were looking for a third party. And my point is still the same to these people who say that tanking for a high pick would somehow be a bad thing. Would have been a bad thing, because it's too fucking late now.

Even if they don't think the Spurs can get a top-tier player in the draft, the higher the pick, the higher the trade value. The playoff appearance record has zero trade value.

im saying this from the months and everyone laughed at me. Maybe now its not too late but spurs should have tanked and getting high picks when kawhis said he wanted leave. Now it will be much harder and longer journey to be back as a contender again.

[DC23]

1224756824907440134

[Excessive Egotist]

Minny can't really believe Covington's market is two first round picks. That's just them establishing negotiating position. One first and a replacement level player or one first and an expiring contract is enough.

A decent volume three point shooter who can guard 3, 4, and many 5s might net a first and second from a contender. So even though two firsts sounds crazy to me, it's probably the right place for Minny to start the bidding. They'll negotiate their way to sanity.

[Excessive Egotist]

1224756824907440134

Houston wants Covington, so I imagine they're offering to send Capela to Hawks, who send a first to Golden State, and Rockets send picks of their own to Golden State, while Warriors send Russell to Wolves. If Warriors don't want Wiggins or Dieng/Vonleh/Bell, the fourth team must be the salary match the Warriors need for Russell.

Other than the reliability of Woj, this rumor seems very legitimate because of the relationship between Minnesota and Houston's front offices.

[NASpurs]

Pop’s probably asking three first round picks for Steph Forbes.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

I'm surprised no one is bringing up the blatant tanking by the Warriors tbh. Curry is out 4 months with a broken hand? :lol They need to flip Donkey too while they're tanking since paying him 33 million a year was an incredibly stupid move by Meyers.

Wiseman, Curry, Klay, Green and filler doesn't sound too bad of a roster for next season though. If the Warriors get a 1st for Dsnitch all the better for them. They can attach that to Donkey's contract and flip him after this year.

[spurspl]

I'm surprised no one is bringing up the blatant tanking by the Warriors tbh. Curry is out 4 months with a broken hand? :lol They need to flip Donkey too while they're tanking since paying him 33 million a year was an incredibly stupid move by Meyers.

Wiseman, Curry, Klay, Green and filler doesn't sound too bad of a roster for next season though. If the Warriors get a 1st for Dsnitch all the better for them. They can attach that to Donkey's contract and flip him after this year.

gsw made a smart decision to tank this year. If they get two firsts for drussel they will be a contender for the next couple of yrs. Patfo learn from them.

[MoSpur02]

Apparently Morris is available now according to Woj.

[Prime BEEF]

Is that I-was-just-involved-in-a-career-ending-car-accident Chandler Parsons? My hatred for this organization would know no bounds if he was headed our way.
$25M expiring contract. He would never play a game in a spurs jersey.

[Trueblood]

Presti likes to convert assets into assets. If Paul is viewed as an asset by another team, he'll want something (other than an expiring) that can be converted later. If Paul allows them to be a postseason box office earner without a tax bill, I don't see his contract as a problem. The team would likely earn more money with him on payroll than without. But for the sake of argument, I'll concede your point. Gallinari is the something to add to CP3. Gallinari negates the need to add a pick.

I agree with you on Presti, but where your logic is flawed is teams thinking CP3 is a positive asset. They tried like nobodies business to trade him early in the season, but teams saw him as a negative asset and wanted picks in return.
Now that CP3 is playing well and they're in the playoff race it certainly complicates things. Obviously they want to get out of that contact before he falls off a cliff, but if they do it now they have to answer to the fans. Presti will have to get positive assets in return to appease the fans and the fact that a trade hasn't been made proves that the league still doesn't view CP3 as a positive asset with that contract.
Bottom line, I believe you're WAY underestimating how bad that contact is.

[MoSpur02]

From my source, Spurs really trying to trade Marco, but they're having a hard time finding a team that wants him for what they want in return.

[DC23]

1224770236458721280

This Knicks organization is such an embarrassment.

[cd98]

Apparently Morris is available now according to Woj.

League should force Knicks to trade him to us for Marco and Bryn.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

From my source, Spurs really trying to trade Marco, but they're having a hard time finding a team that wants him for what they want in return.

Just another front office mistake signing that bum. Can't even trade him for peanuts now.

[r0drig0lac]

Just another front office mistake signing that bum. Can't even trade him for peanuts now.

Pau Gasol 2.0

[spurspl]

From my source, Spurs really trying to trade Marco, but they're having a hard time finding a team that wants him for what they want in return.

wont be suprised if they wanna 1st for marco :spin

[gambit1990]

would very much rather have cp3 or WB over dlo.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

From my source, Spurs really trying to trade Marco, but they're having a hard time finding a team that wants him for what they want in return.
Does Pop prefer Funyuns over Takis? Wtf is the hold up on that?

[DPG21920]

From my source, Spurs really trying to trade Marco, but they're having a hard time finding a team that wants him for what they want in return.

Trading Beli does what? They should be way more aggressive than just being focused on Beli. I agree with trying to move Beli for an asset; that is smart. But they can waive him no problem too.

But this team needs a lot more moves; Rudy, Carroll, Mills & Beli can all go and probably should assuming they have an + value. They have decent enough salaries that are lower risk now that they only have 1 year remaining (or less).

DeRozan/LMA should be heavily discussed as well. The fact that Beli’s expiring is the one being aggressively shopped? Like, ok, but what?

Rudy and Mills, with their guaranteed salaries should by far be the priorities. Guys like Beli or Carroll with expiring contracts or small guarantees would be nice, but not the priority.

[RC_Drunkford]

From my source, Spurs really trying to trade Marco, but they're having a hard time finding a team that wants him for what they want in return.

classic Spurs. Overvaluing scrubs who shouldn't even be in the NBA and then wondering why they can't get anything back for them. Pop probaby told RC and Wright to trade Marco to bring back a starting PF :lol
Same thing like last season with Pau

[RC_Drunkford]

Trading Beli does what? They should be way more aggressive than just being focused on Beli. I agree with trying to move Beli for an asset; that is smart. But they can waive him no problem too.

But this team needs a lot more moves; Rudy, Carroll, Mills & Beli can all go and probably should assuming they have an + value. They have decent enough salaries that are lower risk now that they only have 1 year remaining (or less).

DeRozan/LMA should be heavily discussed as well. The fact that Beli’s expiring is the one being aggressively shopped? Like, ok, but what?

Rudy and Mills, with their guaranteed salaries should by far be the priorities. Guys like Beli or Carroll with expiring contracts or small guarantees would be nice, but not the priority.

you are right, but you do know who's running the franchise right? Flopovich would take another 90 games to find the right rotatons if you bring in 3-4 new players

[TimDunkem]

classic Spurs. Overvaluing scrubs who shouldn't even be in the NBA and then wondering why they can't get anything back for them. Pop probaby told RC and Wright to trade Marco to bring back a starting PF :lol
Same thing like last season with Pau

Slurpers really thought that Gasol contract would be tradeable. Smh Guys like me knew better.

[TimDunkem]

Trading Beli does what? They should be way more aggressive than just being focused on Beli. I agree with trying to move Beli for an asset; that is smart. But they can waive him no problem too.

But this team needs a lot more moves; Rudy, Carroll, Mills & Beli can all go and probably should assuming they have an + value. They have decent enough salaries that are lower risk now that they only have 1 year remaining (or less).

DeRozan/LMA should be heavily discussed as well. The fact that Beli’s expiring is the one being aggressively shopped? Like, ok, but what?

Rudy and Mills, with their guaranteed salaries should by far be the priorities. Guys like Beli or Carroll with expiring contracts or small guarantees would be nice, but not the priority.

Just heard on a Pod today that Carroll is being shopped but, of course, no one wants to let the Spurs fleece them with that trash.

[RC_Drunkford]

What is Golden State wanting in return? Picks? Young players? Expiring contracts? Or all of the above?

If it's expiring then send them Gay (1 year left), Belinelli, Forbes, and some picks.

Dubs signed D-Lo so they can either package him for another All-Star or flip him for some high level role players to surround Steph, Klay and Draymond with. The Spurs don't have those, so no chance

[Genovaswitness]

Trading Beli does what? They should be way more aggressive than just being focused on Beli. I agree with trying to move Beli for an asset; that is smart. But they can waive him no problem too.

But this team needs a lot more moves; Rudy, Carroll, Mills & Beli can all go and probably should assuming they have an + value. They have decent enough salaries that are lower risk now that they only have 1 year remaining (or less).

DeRozan/LMA should be heavily discussed as well. The fact that Beli’s expiring is the one being aggressively shopped? Like, ok, but what?

Rudy and Mills, with their guaranteed salaries should by far be the priorities. Guys like Beli or Carroll with expiring contracts or small guarantees would be nice, but not the priority.

I think all spurs fans should give up on mills ever getting traded. he's a lifer and is the transition era's marquee guy

[RC_Drunkford]

Just heard on a Pod today that Carroll is being shopped but, of course, no one wants to let the Spurs fleece them with that trash.

Spurs had 1 good trade asset before the offseason. Davis Bertans. 7 million expiring, 3-point sniper, young. And they gave him away for free for Demarre Carroll :lmao :lmao

b-b-b-but best front office in the league :lmao :lmao :lmao

[TimDunkem]

Spurs had 1 good trade asset before the offseason. Davis Bertans. 7 million expiring, 3-point sniper, young. And they gave him away for free for Demarre Carroll :lmao :lmao

b-b-b-but best front office in the league :lmao :lmao :lmao

The worst part is you know this was all Pop but, in the end, he couldn't even play Carroll because he's so bad. Pop's just as bad at analyzing players these days as some posters here.

[TimDunkem]

I think all spurs fans should give up on mills ever getting traded. he's a lifer and is the transition era's marquee guy

As much as we might hate it Mills will retire here and get his jersey in the rafters.

[Nivek_ogre]

would very much rather have cp3 or WB over dlo.

You've got to be kidding me.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Signing Gay was a stupid move tbh. No revisionist history either; I knew he was done after he couldn't drive past Mason Plumlee. And Marco was another stupid move. And Carrol. Damn when was the last time we had a good signing :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

This + a pick to GSW and everybody gets what they are looking for

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yx65nsye

[Excessive Egotist]

This + a pick to GSW and everybody gets what they are looking for

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yx65nsye

Warriors are moving D'Lo because they can't afford him going forward. Wiggins is not someone who helps their tax bill. Plus, below average shooter. Doesn't really fit their system. Given their cap situation and system, I'd bet they'd rather have Forbes than Wiggins.

[gambit1990]

You've got to be kidding me.
cp3 has been more clutch than anyone in the league this season and by a very wide margin. you think spurs can't use the point god? spurs don't need help in the closing minutes? :lmao

westbrook is a loyal ironman and has been balling lately. he's adjusted his game hasn't been taking many threes because he knows that's not what his game is right now. chip engelland can help. he would hyper charge the spurs.

[RC_Drunkford]

The worst part is you know this was all Pop but, in the end, he couldn't even play Carroll because he's so bad. Pop's just as bad at analyzing players these days as some posters here.

If the Spurs still had Bertans they could easily trade him for Covington. They could easily trade him for a draft pick. And they could easily trade him, Rudy Gay and Forbes to the Dubs for D-Lo. I think the Dubs would take that deal.

But nooo, he wasn't one of Popovich's pets and now he's one of the best bench players in the league who will get close to 20 million per year. Couldn't have worked out better for him. He's probably happy as fuck to be off this team

[DPG21920]

I think all spurs fans should give up on mills ever getting traded. he's a lifer and is the transition era's marquee guy

I think SA would absolutely trade him; I think like Beli and others that one dimensional players have less value. Even with shooting being at a premium and despite how good of a leader Mills is.

[Ignazzz]

You Guys are amazing.

one proposed 2021&22 pick ( Please check CBA)
another guy didnt look at any opposite teams needs
This trade above is against all plans of reloaded Warriors
and other cant understand sałary cap.
another proposal 4 for 1 was epic Trade ( team without free spots!!!)

did You read CBA and rules in trades?
bravo

[RC_Drunkford]

Warriors are moving D'Lo because they can't afford him going forward. Wiggins is not someone who helps their tax bill. Plus, below average shooter. Doesn't really fit their system. Given their cap situation and system, I'd bet they'd rather have Forbes than Wiggins.

If that's the case give them Gay, Belinelli, Forbes, Carroll and the 2021 1st rounder :lol

[Genovaswitness]

I think SA would absolutely trade him; I think like Beli and others that one dimensional players have less value. Even with shooting being at a premium and despite how good of a leader Mills is.

I hope your insider intuition is right...dude seems to have ensconced himself as THE culture guy. he even had an indigenous night dedicated to him

[Excessive Egotist]

If that's the case give them Gay, Belinelli, Forbes, Carroll and the 2021 1st rounder :lol

You'd run into roster spot issues, but this gets closer. They just want assets and inexpensive shooters.

[RC_Drunkford]

You Guys are amazing.

one proposed 2021&22 pick ( Please check CBA)
another guy didnt look at any others team needs
trade above is against all plans of reloaded Warriors
and other cant understand sałary cap.
bravo

hold on man, am I missing something? I thought the Dubs had this new arena to go deep into the luxury tax? If they want to shed salary then they need expiring contracts + picks and maybe 1 role player on a good contract that they keep

[spurspl]

If the Spurs still had Bertans they could easily trade him for Covington. They could easily trade him for a draft pick. And they could easily trade him, Rudy Gay and Forbes to the Dubs for D-Lo. I think the Dubs would take that deal.

But nooo, he wasn't one of Popovich's pets and now he's one of the best bench players in the league who will get close to 20 million per year. Couldn't have worked out better for him. He's probably happy as fuck to be off this team
just like kawhi is

[SpursDynasty85]

This + a pick to GSW and everybody gets what they are looking for

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yx65nsye

Apparently Minnesota's price for Covington is very high considering his desirable skillset and friendly contract. Not sure Rudy Gay is what they're looking for when the rumor is multiple first rounders.

[RC_Drunkford]

dream scenario, give the Wolves a pick for their efforts :lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=wttxm4q

[gambit1990]

cp3 / murray / diallo / la / noel :hungry:

go sweep denver and advance.

[Ignazzz]

hold on man, am I missing something? I thought the Dubs had this new arena to go deep into the luxury tax? If they want to shed salary then they need expiring contracts + picks and maybe 1 role player on a good contract that they keep

taking for DAR worst contract in nba Wiggins ( very bad fit) & older guy plus extra 1.200.000 in PG/SG players is awfull Trade. It is better to stay with DAR younger and 5.000.000 cheaper in total

wiggins needs ball
how can do this with Curry&green.
he is overhyped asf&€&@@

[RC_Drunkford]

taking for DAR worst contract in nba Wiggins ( very bad fit) & older guy plus extra 1.200.000 in PG/SG players is awfull Trade. It is better to stay with DAR younger and 5.000.000 cheaper in total

Warriors seem to think different

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20

[spurspl]

dream scenario, give the Wolves a pick for their efforts :lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=wttxm4q

thats a joke that gsw trades dlo for a bunch of trashes? right?

[sasaint]

I think SA would absolutely trade him; I think like Beli and others that one dimensional players have less value. Even with shooting being at a premium and despite how good of a leader Mills is.

Trade Patty?! Dude, I am shocked to hear that from you. He is more of a Spurs lifer than you are a ST lifer.

[Ignazzz]

Warriors seem to think different

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224784692160925697?s=20
Just Please take a look at comments.
Your Trade added 1,200.000 in sałary
gsw are trying avoid tax
i can imagine some team „ overpaid” for avoiding tax. You made it even bigger.
oh. Btw I see first time proposal for minus 27 wins Holli’s analysis. I understand tank but Wiggins 4 years deal so whats about next year??

[RC_Drunkford]

How about trading White, Rudy Gay + fillers for D-Lo? D-Lo is younger and the Dubs would get some rotation guys while getting under the tax.

White, Gay, Belinelli and Forbes for D-Lo, Burks and Smailagic works. Dubs would get under the tax immediately while also having 2 valuable role players in Gay and White for the future. Beli and Forbes expire to shed more salary or they can resign them for cheap. D-Lo can start with Murray at the 2 and Burks would be a nice back up SG cause he can defend.

[MoSpur02]

Warriors are moving D'Lo because they can't afford him going forward. Wiggins is not someone who helps their tax bill. Plus, below average shooter. Doesn't really fit their system. Given their cap situation and system, I'd bet they'd rather have Forbes than Wiggins.

This is what I was thinking, which is why I asked what exactly are they looking for? I imagined expiring plus picks. Something like a 1st, Gay, Forbes, and Belinelli works salary wise I believe, but I have a hard time believing that would even move the needle.

[Ignazzz]

D-LO. No thx. Overhyped as Wiggins and DeRozan.
same sort of player. Please look at ADV stats not only box score. Please.
we need 3&D.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just Please take a look at comments.
Your Trade added 1,200.000 in sałary
gsw are trying avoid tax
i can imagine some team „ overpaid” for avoiding tax. You made it even bigger.
oh. Btw I see first time proposal for minus 27 wins Holli’s analysis. I understand tank but Wiggins 4 years deal so whats about next year??

I get that Wiggins 4-year deal is a bad contract and it wouldn't make much sense. I'm just saying that's what's being reported. Maybe they'll do it if they get a pick or 2. Maybe more players are included. But it looks like something will go down

[RC_Drunkford]

This is what I was thinking, which is why I asked what exactly are they looking for? I imagined expiring plus picks. Something like a 1st, Gay, Forbes, and Belinelli works salary wise I believe, but I have a hard time believing that would even move the needle.

include White and send Burks to the Spurs too and that's a good deal for both parties

[Ignazzz]

Gsw should tank and wait.
During Draft add some puzzle from Draft ( bigman on cheap rookie scale contract ) or Iggy style player and add some depth for ( bad fit) DAR
no for DDR or Wiggins. Doesnt make sense. They need D not fire power without bbIQ and 3s.
They need: mobile young PF/C and 3&D Like Miles Bridges.

[DPG21920]

Trade Patty?! Dude, I am shocked to hear that from you. He is more of a Spurs lifer than you are a ST lifer.

:lol

[gospursgojas]

This is what I was thinking, which is why I asked what exactly are they looking for? I imagined expiring plus picks. Something like a 1st, Gay, Forbes, and Belinelli works salary wise I believe, but I have a hard time believing that would even move the needle.

No way D Lo comes this cheap. If he could and spurs don’t pounce on it, they’re mentally challenged.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Spurs may end up just trying to pick up some buyout scraps.

I'd love to see a move made though...this team needs a shot in the arm.

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs may end up just trying to pick up some buyout scraps.

I'd love to see a move made though...this team needs a shot in the arm.
...and cut who?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

...and cut who?

Good question. I guess it would depend on who they could acquire.

[NASpurs]

So... which loser should we keep an eye out on the buyout market?

[DPG21920]

Good question. I guess it would depend on who they could acquire.

Beli and Carroll are both obvious cut candidates and very easily done. But SA is going to be way down the list of destinations for guys bought out. Wouldn’t expect much there

[Duncan87]

Clan the Spurs fan said the Spurs have been in contact with Alexy Schved once Marco gets traded. Grain of salt

[Duncan87]

Schved right now playing overseas

[sasaint]

Beli and Carroll are both obvious cut candidates and very easily done. But SA is going to be way down the list of destinations for guys bought out. Wouldn’t expect much there

If the Spurs don't make a trade, nobody will come here after a buyout. I am reminded of Groucho's remark, "I refuse to join a club that would have me as a member."

[gambit1990]

I'd love to see a move made though...this team needs a shot in the arm.
no, the team needs a double arm transplant.

[gambit1990]

Schved right now playing overseas
i literally can't remember his play but would still take him over forbes in a heartbeat.

[sasaint]

Schved right now playing overseas


Great, another combo guard. That'll move the needle.

[sasaint]

i literally can't remember his play but would still take him over forbes in a heartbeat.

YOU might, but Pop won't. Got to get somebody to keep Demarre company or replace him if we move him.

[cd98]

Spurs may end up just trying to pick up some buyout scraps.

I'd love to see a move made though...this team needs a shot in the arm.

I doubt it. Buyouts go to real contenders to try and get a championship. Spurs had a chance when they were good. But no one is getting bought out and hoping to join a team that is not even currently a playoff team.

[sasaint]

no, the team needs a double arm transplant.

The team needs a head transplant.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Just saw a story that the Spurs have been getting interest in Poeltl, but the asking price is too high. Also that the Knicks are asking for a lottery pick in exchange for Marcus Morris.

Both are worth what you paid for them.

[ZeusWillJudge]

If the Spurs don't make a trade, nobody will come here after a buyout. I am reminded of Groucho's remark, "I refuse to join a club that would have me as a member."


"If you've heard this story before don't stop me, because I'd like to hear it again."

[DPG21920]

I might be wrong on Carroll. I thought he was only 1M guaranteed next year but looks like his 6.5 is fully guaranteed. Changes buyout some.

[gambit1990]

if rockets move capela for covington and looney then that's a good exchange for them and a trade i would make if i were them.

[sasaint]

if rockets move capela for covington and looney then that's a good exchange for them and a trade i would make if i were them.

Great move.

[TimDunkem]

Great move.

I'd like to see the Spurs make win now moves.

Not that there are any collection of moves that could make this awful team a contender, and not that I would advise making moves that put your future at risk.

But what's the point of only trying to make the 8th seed (which SA is desperate to do)? Just to chase this one silly record? If we're trying to compete to make the playoffs then why not try to compete IN the playoffs?

[sasaint]

I'd like to see the Spurs make win now moves.

Not that there are any collection of moves that could make this awful team a contender, and not that I would advise making moves that put your future at risk.

But what's the point of only trying to make the 8th seed (which SA is desperate to do)? Just to chase this one silly record? If we're trying to compete to make the playoffs then why not try to compete IN the playoffs?

When I get exceptionally bored, or momentarily forget which team I root for, I give the Trade Machine a light workout. I always look to package LMA with at least one of Demarre/Forbes/Marco and Dumbmar with the player(s) left over. That's when it usually dawns on me that I am looking at moving waaaaay too many pieces to be remotely possible in Pop's domain. So, having plummeted back to earth, I come here... The kind of boldness you and I are looking for will have to wait until the Old Asshole is gone, and then he will have dug us into a hole so deep not even Sean Marks could dig us out.

[spurspl]

if rockets move capela for covington and looney then that's a good exchange for them and a trade i would make if i were them.

yup and minny gets dlo and gsw gets capela and tucker. win-win-win

[TimDunkem]

yup and minny gets dlo and gsw gets capela and tucker. win-win-win

GS might have a SL with Cucky, Klaynus, Tucker, Green, and Capella next year plus a high lottery pick because they were smart enough to tank. Yikes.

[TimDunkem]

Now that I think about it, it could make more sense for GS to get Minny's collection of picks after Covington goes to Houston. Either way, they might just have finished their one year rebuild. And all they needed was just gather one nice asset and tank this year to do it.

Meanwhile, in SA...

[paperboy77]

GS might have a SL with Cucky, Klaynus, Tucker, Green, and Capella next year plus a high lottery pick because they were smart enough to tank. Yikes.

Damn when you put it that way. ��

[TimDunkem]

Damn when you put it that way. ��

Or they could get Minny's picks after Covington is moved. Either way, they might have just possibly completed their rebuild. :lol

[sasaint]

Or they could get Minny's picks after Covington is moved. Either way, they might have just possibly completed their rebuild. :lol

Funny what a little FO ingenuity can accomplish.

[FutureMan]

Maybe some smaller trade would be more realistic here just to get rid of Carroll:

Carroll, Forbes for McCaw, Johnson
Carroll for Crowder or Hill
Carroll, Forbes or Belli for Olynyk
Carroll, Forbes or Belli for Kidd-Gilchrist

Just some examples but you get the picture

[FkLA]

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1224819128772460547?s=19

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1224819128772460547?s=19

Normally that news would have my curiosity but both are injured -- Winslow (back) and Leonard (injured his leg/ankle last night).

[talkspurs]

Would yall do this if we got Minny Pick? Wiggins is looked at as a bad contract but he has been good this year. Still overpaid but would also give a player whose contract would expire as more of our young players come due and gets rid of forbs and gets us some bigs.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxx4kh3y

[Chinook]

Would yall do this if we got Minny Pick? Wiggins is looked at as a bad contract but he has been good this year. Still overpaid but would also give a player whose contract would expire as more of our young players come due and gets rid of forbs and gets us some bigs.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxx4kh3y

It'd have to Culver, with the Wolves being able to lotto-protect their pick for a year or two.

[gospursgojas]

Stop already. Demar >> Wiggins

[FkLA]

DEN made Gary Harris available. I'd take him as our starting two guard. Can't imagine they'd want any of our trash though, tbh.

[talkspurs]

Stop already. Demar >> Wiggins

We also would get their pick plus Wiggins is younger. If DDR is going to leave we would get something that was a top pick a few years ago and is now showing potential. Wiggins also shoots the three and is probably slightly better on Defense.

[Collins21]

DEN made Gary Harris available. I'd take him as our starting two guard. Can't imagine they'd want any of our trash though, tbh.

You got Spurs fans on twitter saying the Spurs have no use for Gary Harris lol.

[Robz4000]

Gary Harris' body is breaking down as we speak tbh.

[Dejounte]

When are we having our first big trade

[emanueldavidginobili]

not a chance this team makes a move besides moving Carroll for a bag of rocks.

[Ron Swanson]

1224899836455084033

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1224906985386250242

[tholdren]

Trade lma for luke kennard

[Dverde]

Meanwhile, the Spurs like what they have. Everyone is off limits unless they have no trade value then you must give us an asset for our bench trash.

[TimDunkem]

Trade lma for luke kennard

lol Bad deal. Downright retarded. Just like you.

[DPG21920]

You got Spurs fans on twitter saying the Spurs have no use for Gary Harris lol.

I was a huge Harris truther but his value is plummeting. He is a buy low guy, but he’s been bad post injury and it does not look good.

[SpurPadre]

:pop: "We like what we have, get that through your thick heads, dumbasses"

[Dverde]

I was a huge Harris truther but his value is plummeting. He is a buy low guy, but he’s been bad post injury and it does not look good.

I thought he was terrible in the playoffs against the Spurs. Spurs would never trade with the Nuggets anyway.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Of course James has to go off against us I’m shocked lol

[Collins21]

I was a huge Harris truther but his value is plummeting. He is a buy low guy, but he’s been bad post injury and it does not look good.

He is still better than any guard on this roster. Maybe I'd take white over Harris but that's it.

[RC_Drunkford]

:pop: "Brian, RC, don't make any moves. The team has almost turned a corner. You can trade Carroll though if we can get a first round draft pick for him"

[gambit1990]

https://i.imgur.com/HcxO680.png

murray / patty
white / lonnie
covington / carroll
la / gay, luka
drummond / poeltl

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1224924892358959104

[ZeusWillJudge]

I was a huge Harris truther but his value is plummeting. He is a buy low guy, but he’s been bad post injury and it does not look good.


A fixer-upper. Sounds like a Spurs specialty.

[TimDunkem]

https://i.imgur.com/HcxO680.png

murray / patty
white / lonnie
covington / carroll
la / gay, luka
drummond / poeltl

Covington is going to the Rockets, brah.

Also, lol, Carroll. He's never going to contribute here. You gotta accept that...

[Prime BEEF]

https://i.imgur.com/HcxO680.png

murray / patty
white / lonnie
covington / carroll
la / gay, luka
drummond / poeltl
i like it but at this point I’m desperate for almost any trade. Man I hate this roster.

[Robz4000]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1224924892358959104

So in the end Minny isn't even gonna get a first rounder for Covington? Considering some of the offers they got last year :lmao...

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224926791955111936

[TimDunkem]

So in the end Minny isn't even gonna get a first rounder for Covington? Considering some of the offers they got last year :lmao...

What's "draft compensation" then?

[Chinook]

So in the end Minny isn't even gonna get a first rounder for Covington? Considering some of the offers they got last year :lmao...

They got a first for him but immediately rerouted it for two guys on rookie deals they liked. I don't really think it's a bad haul, given they have a decent pick coming to them from sucking.

Also Cov is mad overrated. Dude's always been a worse version of Danny Green, even though advanced stats pretended like he was some impact god.

[gospursgojas]

Don’t think Covington moves the needle much. Doesn’t matter who you throw on that team. Harden/WB usage rate is ridiculous.

[DPG21920]

They got a first for him but immediately rerouted it for two guys on rookie deals they liked. I don't really think it's a bad haul, given they have a decent pick coming to them from sucking.

Also Cov is mad overrated. Dude's always been a worse version of Danny Green, even though advanced stats pretended like he was some impact god.

HOU sent the pick to DEN not MINNY. They netted a first too

[DPG21920]

Don’t think Covington moves the needle much. Doesn’t matter who you throw on that team. Harden/WB usage rate is ridiculous.

That’s why he fits so well. He gives them a lot of versatility. Lots of shooting. He’s overrated some, but hes a great player for their system. But man, they are small as hell :lol

Odd strategy vs Lakers - ok vs Clippers. Obviously they are getting a big man somewhere.e

[TimDunkem]

Minny got ATL's 1st pick from the Nets.

[Chinook]

HOU sent the pick to DEN not MINNY. They netted a first too

Even better. They traded Covington for two firsts (which is quite a haul given that he sucks) and moved one of them for assets from Denver. I don't love them getting yet more young middling guys, but maybe they'll sort it out.

[TimDunkem]

Houston is definitely not done.

[RC_Drunkford]

So the Rockets don't have any bigs at all now?

[gambit1990]

So the Rockets don't have any bigs at all now?
tyson chandler... maybe they go sign faried? maybe they look into moving eric gordon for a C?

[gambit1990]

shaq: "i like small ball except when it comes to defensive rebounding." no shît :lol no wonder i had the tv on mute.

[ZeusWillJudge]

So Denver gets a first rounder. Any way to spin LMA+ for Millsap and that pick?

Denver is in the hunt. Milsap looks like he's out for a while, and may not be much help down the stretch now. He's expiring, so it would clear a huge chunk of space next year. Sweeten it with a first and it's probably a good start to a new era.

[RC_Drunkford]

tyson chandler... maybe they go sign faried? maybe they look into moving eric gordon for a C?

Word I forgot they had him, but ain't he too slow to guard the pick & roll? I guess they'll trade for one or sign someone who gets bought out

[DPG21920]

So the Rockets don't have any bigs at all now?

They are very small. Jordan Bell is in the deal, but he’s not really a big. They will grab someone for cheap

[DPG21920]

Even better. They traded Covington for two firsts (which is quite a haul given that he sucks) and moved one of them for assets from Denver. I don't love them getting yet more young middling guys, but maybe they'll sort it out.

Man, I’m probably just missing something, but where do you get two firsts?

[DPG21920]

Interesting Capelas value was a mid to late first and expiring deal.

[FkLA]

HOU always making major changes. I guess it's better than just standing around with their dick in their hands like the Spurs but god damn. Capella is like the perfect modern center and took a discount on his deal and they just tossed him out like nothing.

[TimDunkem]

Been saying it forever now: tall guys who can rebound and run to the rim are a dime a dozen. You can also afford to downgrade if Harden is the one running the offense with them. They'll find someone to fill that spot.

[DPG21920]

HOU always making major changes. I guess it's better than just standing around with their dick in their hands like the Spurs but god damn. Capella is like the perfect modern center and took a discount on his deal and they just tossed him out like nothing.

Look, HOU is the one team that if you sign there you know the deal. They look at you like an asset and that’s it.

They make a ton of moves and give zero f*cks about the future. They have been really good so it’s hard to fault them, but man, if they can’t get a finals run out of this team they are so far set back in terms of pipeline.

But they are creative as hell and fun for that reason. Just the polar opposite strategic game plan for HOU vs SA. But having a superstar like Harden covers up for a lot so it’s hard to call one way right vs wrong, but I like the Spurs way. It’s sustained for much longer so far.

[gambit1990]

initial thoughts: i think ATL won the trade... doesn't seem like they gave up much for him. d'antoni was not using the dude right.

i like cov but it seems like HOU had to give up more to get him than ATL had to for capela.

[Robz4000]

What's "draft compensation" then?

Figured since they listed a first rounder to Denver it meant Minny got second rounders or a pick swap. If they got the Nets' first rounder from Atlanta it makes it look a bit better. Still, Beasley has been awful this year and Juancho has only played well against the Spurs.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Seeing these other teams make deals reminded me of a song that a Sixth Street band I liked used to play. It's hard being a Spurs fan right now.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGGwVsvseGw