Popovich rips Trump over coronavirus response

[tholdren]

AND THEYRE STILL NOT TREATING ANY TRAUMA. People in car wrecks, of any age, are left to die there, to bleed out.

The virus also isn’t passed by kissing on the cheek. It moves like a cold virus: aerosol like by coughs and sneezes, and hand to hand to face.

Lol hand to face.... not lip to face. Great work trolling. You had me. You really did. Excellent

[phxspurfan]

Popstradamus

[gambit1990]

Here never called it a hoax. But please continue to push fake news
:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE&t=0m28s

[ducks]

The full text of President Donald Trump's Oval Office address Wednesday night:

My fellow Americans: Tonight, I want to speak with you about our nation's unprecedented response to the coronavirus outbreak that started in China and is now spreading throughout the world.

Today, the World Health Organization officially announced that this is a global pandemic.

We have been in frequent contact with our allies, and we are marshalling the full power of the federal government and the private sector to protect the American people.

This is the most aggressive and comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history. I am confident that by counting and continuing to take these tough measures, we will significantly reduce the threat to our citizens, and we will ultimately and expeditiously defeat this virus.

From the beginning of time, nations and people have faced unforeseen challenges, including large-scale and very dangerous health threats. This is the way it always was and always will be. It only matters how you respond, and we are responding with great speed and professionalism.

Our team is the best anywhere in the world. At the very start of the outbreak, we instituted sweeping travel restrictions on China and put in place the first federally mandated quarantine in over 50 years. We declared a public health emergency and issued the highest level of travel warning on other countries as the virus spread its horrible infection.

And taking early intense action, we have seen dramatically fewer cases of the virus in the United States than are now present in Europe.

The European Union failed to take the same precautions and restrict travel from China and other hotspots. As a result, a large number of new clusters in the United States were seeded by travelers from Europe.

After consulting with our top government health professionals, I have decided to take several strong but necessary actions to protect the health and wellbeing of all Americans.

To keep new cases from entering our shores, we will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days. The new rules will go into effect Friday at midnight. These restrictions will be adjusted subject to conditions on the ground.

There will be exemptions for Americans who have undergone appropriate screenings, and these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get approval. Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are discussing. These restrictions will also not apply to the United Kingdom.

At the same time, we are monitoring the situation in China and in South Korea. And, as their situation improves, we will reevaluate the restrictions and warnings that are currently in place for a possible early opening.

Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all copayments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.

We are cutting massive amounts of red tape to make antiviral therapies available in record time. These treatments will significantly reduce the impact and reach of the virus.

Additionally, last week, I signed into law an $8.3 billion funding bill to help CDC and other government agencies fight the virus and support vaccines, treatments, and distribution of medical supplies. Testing and testing capabilities are expanding rapidly, day by day. We are moving very quickly.

The vast majority of Americans: The risk is very, very low. Young and healthy people can expect to recover fully and quickly if they should get the virus. The highest risk is for elderly population with underlying health conditions. The elderly population must be very, very careful.

In particular, we are strongly advising that nursing homes for the elderly suspend all medically unnecessary visits. In general, older Americans should also avoid nonessential travel in crowded areas.

My administration is coordinating directly with communities with the largest outbreaks, and we have issued guidance on school closures, social distancing, and reducing large gatherings.

Smart action today will prevent the spread of the virus tomorrow.

Every community faces different risks and it is critical for you to follow the guidelines of your local officials who are working closely with our federal health experts -- and they are the best.

For all Americans, it is essential that everyone take extra precautions and practice good hygiene. Each of us has a role to play in defeating this virus. Wash your hands, clean often-used surfaces, cover your face and mouth if you sneeze or cough, and most of all, if you are sick or not feeling well, stay home.

To ensure that working Americans impacted by the virus can stay home without fear of financial hardship, I will soon be taking emergency action, which is unprecedented, to provide financial relief. This will be targeted for workers who are ill, quarantined, or caring for others due to coronavirus.

I will be asking Congress to take legislative action to extend this relief.

Because of the economic policies that we have put into place over the last three years, we have the greatest economy anywhere in the world, by far.

Our banks and financial institutions are fully capitalized and incredibly strong. Our unemployment is at a historic low. This vast economic prosperity gives us flexibility, reserves, and resources to handle any threat that comes our way.

This is not a financial crisis, this is just a temporary moment of time that we will overcome together as a nation and as a world.

However, to provide extra support for American workers, families, and businesses, tonight I am announcing the following additional actions: I am instructing the Small Business Administration to exercise available authority to provide capital and liquidity to firms affected by the coronavirus.

Effective immediately, the SBA will begin providing economic loans in affected states and territories. These low-interest loans will help small businesses overcome temporary economic disruptions caused by the virus. To this end, I am asking Congress to increase funding for this program by an additional $50 billion.

Using emergency authority, I will be instructing the Treasury Department to defer tax payments, without interest or penalties, for certain individuals and businesses negatively impacted. This action will provide more than $200 billion of additional liquidity to the economy.

Finally, I am calling on Congress to provide Americans with immediate payroll tax relief. Hopefully they will consider this very strongly.

We are at a critical time in the fight against the virus. We made a life-saving move with early action on China. Now we must take the same action with Europe. We will not delay. I will never hesitate to take any necessary steps to protect the lives, health, and safety of the American people. I will always put the wellbeing of America first.

If we are vigilant – and we can reduce the chance of infection, which we will – we will significantly impede the transmission of the virus. The virus will not have a chance against us.

No nation is more prepared or more resilient than the United States. We have the best economy, the most advanced healthcare, and the most talented doctors, scientists, and researchers anywhere in the world.

We are all in this together. We must put politics aside, stop the partisanship, and unify together as one nation and one family.

As history has proven time and time again, Americans always rise to the challenge and overcome adversity.

Our future remains brighter than anyone can imagine. Acting with compassion and love, we will heal the sick, care for those in need, help our fellow citizens, and emerge from this challenge stronger and more unified than ever before.

God bless you, and God bless America. Thank you.

[hombre]

Here never called it a hoax. But please continue to push fake news

Here's one instance where Donald Trump said the coronavirus was a hoax -

One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was not a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-charleston-south-carolina-rally-transcript-february-28-2020

[palangi]

:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE&t=0m28s

He never called the virus a hoax. He called out the media fear mongering for the Democrats a hoax. Which is true.
Perspective is key into the whole conversation not pulling out what you want

[slick'81]

Atleast we know why pop was soo pissed

[Atl Spur]

You are dumb

He’s actually right.......sepsis can kill you! Blood poison

[ducks]

Due to Coronavirus we will not have an election! TRUMP will be President for the next 4 years! (watch how fast the epidemic is cleared)

[Atl Spur]

He never called the virus a hoax. He called out the media fear mongering for the Democrats a hoax. Which is true.
Perspective is key into the whole conversation not pulling out what you want

Only hole in your point of view is........dudes a pathological lier. Not my opinion , just facts.

[Atl Spur]

Due to Coronavirus we will not have an election! TRUMP will be President for the next 4 years! (watch how fast the epidemic is cleared)

You dick ride pretty hard.....can you really reconcile that dude is a lier? Trust me homie, he doesn’t care about you.

[ducks]

Like any politicians cares for us


Lol

[palangi]

Here's one instance where Donald Trump said the coronavirus was a hoax -

One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was not a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-charleston-south-carolina-rally-transcript-february-28-2020

Ha ha again. Trump didn't say that one of his people did. It says it in the first fucking sentence. Fuck you liberals are stupid with trump derangement.

[palangi]

You dick ride pretty hard.....can you really reconcile that dude is a lier? Trust me homie, he doesn’t care about you.

How about your liberal dick riding? Take care of your TDS!

[palangi]

Only hole in your point of view is........dudes a pathological lier. Not my opinion , just facts.

No more than any liberal out there. At least he has kept many of his campaign promises. Unlike other presidents.

I think you guys over inflate this lying hoax. Fake news

[palangi]

Like any politicians cares for us


Lol

I'd say trump has done more for us than any other politician. Maybe because he isn't a life long politician but someone who wanted to get us back on track

[hombre]

You are one dumb person.

[palangi]

You are one dumb person.

You know you're on top when this is the response you get.

Bwhahahaha

[Atl Spur]

No more than any liberal out there. At least he has kept many of his campaign promises. Unlike other presidents.

I think you guys over inflate this lying hoax. Fake news

Attention is a drug for some...........even message board hero’s! Trump being taken serious by you says a lot......

[ducks]

Trump
Has kepted more promises
Then President Reagan

[ducks]

I'd say trump has done more for us than any other politician. Maybe because he isn't a life long politician but someone who wanted to get us back on track

I agree

[Nathan89]

:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE&t=0m28s

It's been fact checked already. He didn't say the virus is a hoax but continue with your agenda.

[Atl Spur]

It's been fact checked already. He didn't say the virus is a hoax but continue with your agenda.

At it again Nathan? You seem smarter than this

[palangi]

Attention is a drug for some...........even message board hero’s! Trump being taken serious by you says a lot......

Again personal attacks. Winning....

[Atl Spur]

Again personal attacks. Winning....

Poor you

[palangi]

It's been fact checked already. He didn't say the virus is a hoax but continue with your agenda.

It's the liberal fake news. Being propagated by those that don't look into it, but rather just trust others to be honest.

[palangi]

At it again Nathan? You seem smarter than this

You don't agree with me, then you're not smart.

Again liberal personal attacks.

We are winning

[palangi]

Poor you
Moving away from the discussion. Deflection

Winning!

[Atl Spur]

Moving away from the discussion. Deflection

Winning!

People are sick, people are dying and still you are being a little attention whore. Why again?

[palangi]

People are sick, people are dying and still you are being a little attention whore. Why again?

Deflection. Winning.

[baseline bum]

No more than any liberal out there. At least he has kept many of his campaign promises. Unlike other presidents.

I think you guys over inflate this lying hoax. Fake news

We're going to build a wall... and the military is going to pay for it.

[palangi]

We're going to build a wall... and the military is going to pay for it.

Well if Democrats didn't have open boarder ideas it sure would be easier.
And by the way our military is still fully funded properly.

I guess we could just cut the grass... right Nancy?

[baseline bum]

Well if Democrats didn't have open boarder ideas it sure would be easier.
And by the way our military is still fully funded properly.

I guess we could just cut the grass... right Nancy?

I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

[Joseph Kony]

"it's all a democratic hoax!"

>>four weeks later

:cry we're dealing with an issue no one thought would be such an issue four weeks ago. so we're shutting down travel from Europe because of this hoax :cry

and you retards lap this shit up. literally everyone has been saying it was a big deal :lmao

[ducks]

I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

But going to leave by homeless bubs

[palangi]

I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

More scare tactics and deflections from the conversation. Fake news again. Damn your liberal talking points are tiring.
Winning

[baseline bum]

"it's all a democratic hoax!"

>>four weeks later

:cry we're dealing with an issue no one thought would be such an issue four weeks ago. so we're shutting down travel from Europe because of this hoax :cry

and you retards lap this shit up. literally everyone has been saying it was a big deal :lmao

:lol

[baseline bum]

More scare tactics and deflections from the conversation. Fake news again. Damn your liberal talking points are tiring.
Winning

Remember his healthcare plan that was going to cover everyone with better and cheaper coverage and cover pre-existing conditions?

[palangi]

"it's all a democratic hoax!"

>>four weeks later

:cry we're dealing with an issue no one thought would be such an issue four weeks ago. so we're shutting down travel from Europe because of this hoax :cry

and you retards lap this shit up. literally everyone has been saying it was a big deal :lmao

Again context is lost on liberals. Trump is the one that acted first and swiftly with travel bans. In which your Democrat contingent earned to label him the racist for it.
And you still push your fake news agenda. Pathetic

[palangi]

Remember his healthcare plan that was going to cover everyone with better and cheaper coverage and cover pre-existing conditions?

Remember how your democratic house won't pass anything? Over 200 bills sitting on impeachment Nancy desk. What's more important for Democrats? Chasing impeachment hoax or serving the people of the United States? You would think it would be a no breaker

[baseline bum]

Remember how your democratic house won't pass anything? Over 200 bills sitting on impeachment Nancy desk. What's more important for Democrats? Chasing impeachment hoax or serving the people of the United States? You would think it would be a no breaker

There was never a healthcare plan from Trump. But we get it, Trump gets mad and rants and raves and it's emotionally satisfying to snowflakes like you.

[palangi]

There was never a healthcare plan from Trump. But we get it, Trump gets mad and rants and raves and it's emotionally satisfying to snowflakes like you.

Yes... more personal attacks. Winning again!

[ducks]

Yes 44 would not issue travel bans
45 is much fucking smarter

[ducks]

Trump wanted to help China in nov
China said no
This should not even be happening
Trump knew China needed help

[hombre]

The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs.

[SpurPadre]

Trump today: "It will go away" and "It's really working out" Stupid orange fuck.

[Sugus]

:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE&t=0m28s

Always weird to see Trump as a foreigner. He just looks, sounds and acts like a bad caricature of himself would. How could such a visibly retarded man get elected into office?

[slick'81]

Trump today: "It will go away" and "It's really working out" Stupid orange fuck.

yea like anyone believes anything comng outta his mouth. He believes warm weather is the cure

[baseline bum]

Always weird to see Trump as a foreigner. He just looks, sounds and acts like a bad caricature of himself would. How could such a visibly retarded man get elected into office?

Because the right wing media in this country has been laying the groundwork for twenty years for a conman like this to appeal to their audience.

[Joseph Kony]

i'm a retard incapable of thinking for myself

Agreed :tu

[palangi]

Agreed :tu

Winning.

[BackHome]

Always weird to see Trump as a foreigner. He just looks, sounds and acts like a bad caricature of himself would. How could such a visibly retarded man get elected into office?

Have you seen Biden talk I think you might be getting them confused. Lol

[ducks]

CNN anchor Don Lemon had a "total meltdown" according to critics on Wednesday night after a guest on his show told him that President Trump's coronavirus address from the Oval Office was "fine."

Lemon, who has repeatedly insisted that he is 'not a partisan,' had on former 2016 presidential candidate-turned-CNN contributor John Kasich to discuss the latest developments in the Trump administration's handling of the coronavirus outbreak. The anchor accused Trump of "misrepresenting" the travel ban that was set on Europe after the White House offered clarification on what was affected.

"Look, I watched the address tonight and I thought it was fine. He did fine," Kasich said. "I'm glad he did the address tonight and I think that was important."

[gambit1990]

it's incredible how stupid some of you are.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES36loKVAAE_UZN?format=png&name=large

[gambit1990]

Russ Vought, the acting director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, on Tuesday doubled down on proposed cuts to health services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), despite the coronavirus outbreak.
:lmao

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/486817-trump-budget-chief-holds-firm-on-cdc-cuts-amid-virus-outbreak#.XmkptUZZgcA.twitter

[ElNono]

:lol live video feed of palangi in this thread...

https://media.giphy.com/media/JVqeFxl3Qo8/giphy.gif

Winning!

[palangi]

:lol live video feed of palangi in this thread...

https://media.giphy.com/media/JVqeFxl3Qo8/giphy.gif

Winning!

Big time winning

[Leetonidas]

:lol live video feed of palangi in this thread...

https://media.giphy.com/media/JVqeFxl3Qo8/giphy.gif

Winning!

:lmao amazing how he can still post while gargling trumps ballsack at the same time

[ZeusWillJudge]

Trump wanted to help China in nov
China said no
This should not even be happening
Trump knew China needed help


The Mayor of Florence is facing fresh criticism after he encouraged Italians to “Hug a Chinese” as a stand against racism before Italy was later forced to quarantine its entire country because of the coronavirus.

[koriwhat]

The Mayor of Florence is facing fresh criticism after he encouraged Italians to “Hug a Chinese” as a stand against racism before Italy was later forced to quarantine its entire country because of the coronavirus.

play stupid games... :lmao

[gambit1990]

people who were at mar a lago are self quarantining. trump and pence haven't even been tested :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

it's incredible how stupid some of you are.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES36loKVAAE_UZN?format=png&name=large

while a vast majority of that is true the "many" young people have died is disingenuous, yes doctors have died but that's because their rate of exposure is just too high and not something you'd normally see. This is a boomer remover pure and simple

[Prime BEEF]

while a vast majority of that is true the "many" young people have died is disingenuous, yes doctors have died but that's because their rate of exposure is just too high and not something you'd normally see. This is a boomer remover pure and simple
There’s always outliers. So people under 60 and that don’t have medical issues aren’t off the hook. But yes, it will mainly take out the elderly. At what death rate? TBD

[MannyIsGod]

Crazy how this democratic hoax of 15 patients that are going to go down to zero is literally shutting our nation down.

Crazy hoax skills, tbh.

[MultiTroll]

Crazy how this democratic hoax of 15 patients that are going to go down to zero is literally shutting our nation down.

Crazy hoax skills, tbh.
Manuel have you given up poker over C19?
Or did you do that long time ago?

[MannyIsGod]

Manuel have you given up poker over C19?
Or did you do that long time ago?

I moved on from poker like over a decade ago. I still play it occasionally like when I go to Vegas.

[MultiTroll]

The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs.
At first glance this seems insane and totally irresponsible by Orange Man to a life and death degree.
However, was it at the time (2018) because the CDC was a bunch of beaurocratic jerk offs, like many (most all) gov't run depts?


FWIW from article "This figure reflects that the Administration is prioritizing funding for infectious disease and emergency preparedness efforts at CDC, compared to non-infectious activities, like studying the health and safety risks of infrequent bathroom breaks for taxi drivers," they added.

Regardless, unreal this has not been given top priority a long time ago. I think most of us, as soon as we heard the news of Wuhan knew it was gonna spread globally.

[MultiTroll]

I moved on from poker like over a decade ago. I still play it occasionally like when I go to Vegas.
I'm out.
Even before C19 hit I'm sick of the contagious phucks that go there. Along with the Monty Burns casino owners who do zero to protect us.
With C19 I don't want to hit it even occasionally.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm out.
Even before C19 hit I'm sick of the contagious phucks that go there. Along with the Monty Burns casino owners who do zero to protect us.
With C19 I don't want to hit it even occasionally.

Oh yeah I didn't think about that but a lot of people at tables are disgusting AF. Good call.

[Dex]

I'm out.
Even before C19 hit I'm sick of the contagious phucks that go there. Along with the Monty Burns casino owners who do zero to protect us.
With C19 I don't want to hit it even occasionally.

I just went to Vegas 3 weeks ago when it seemed like coronavirus was "not a big deal" :makemyday

[Genovaswitness]

wow even the XFL is canceled. can’t believe a virus got so hyped and politicized. and only 39 deaths in the USA wow I thought we were gonna have like 14 million by today’s end according to ST epidemiologists :lmao

[tholdren]

Trump today: "It will go away" and "It's really working out" Stupid orange fuck.

Lol you're dumb

[tholdren]

At first glance this seems insane and totally irresponsible by Orange Man to a life and death degree.
However, was it at the time (2018) because the CDC was a bunch of beaurocratic jerk offs, like many (most all) gov't run depts?


FWIW from article "This figure reflects that the Administration is prioritizing funding for infectious disease and emergency preparedness efforts at CDC, compared to non-infectious activities, like studying the health and safety risks of infrequent bathroom breaks for taxi drivers," they added.

Regardless, unreal this has not been given top priority a long time ago. I think most of us, as soon as we heard the news of Wuhan knew it was gonna spread globally.




Lol...

[tholdren]

wow even the XFL is canceled. can’t believe a virus got so hyped and politicized. and only 39 deaths in the USA wow I thought we were gonna have like 14 million by today’s end according to ST epidemiologists :lmao
Dont worry they will think that the data will even out... even though they are too dumb to realize the data is already skewed higher than possible.

[Sugus]

while a vast majority of that is true the "many" young people have died is disingenuous, yes doctors have died but that's because their rate of exposure is just too high and not something you'd normally see. This is a boomer remover pure and simple

Why would the doctors' rate of exposure have anything to do with their death toll? It's not like you can get a worse strain of C19 just from being overexposed to it... Infection rates would obviously be higher among health personnel but death rates shouldn't be affected if they don't have other conditions putting them in additional risk. Which means the virus is lethal even among supposedly healthy and not-at-increased-risk people... Scary.


wow even the XFL is canceled. can’t believe a virus got so hyped and politicized. and only 39 deaths in the USA wow I thought we were gonna have like 14 million by today’s end according to ST epidemiologists :lmao

It's ironic that you complain about the virus being politicized, while trying to downplay the severity of the situation just to get Trump's ballsack ever so closer to your mouth. Then again, would you even have the mental capacity to understand how grave the pandemic is at all?

[Genovaswitness]

Why would the doctors' rate of exposure have anything to do with their death toll? It's not like you can get a worse strain of C19 just from being overexposed to it... Infection rates would obviously be higher among health personnel but death rates shouldn't be affected if they don't have other conditions putting them in additional risk. Which means the virus is lethal even among supposedly healthy and not-at-increased-risk people... Scary.



It's ironic that you complain about the virus being politicized, while trying to downplay the severity of the situation just to get Trump's ballsack ever so closer to your mouth. Then again, would you even have the mental capacity to understand how grave the pandemic is at all?

yawn euro fucktard yawn. go handle your own public health crisis in your barely “first world” country :lmao

[Genovaswitness]

WOW BRO 39 PEOPLE DIED BRO SHUT DOWN THE WORLD ECONOMY BRO!!!!! :lmao

[Sugus]

yawn euro fucktard yawn. go handle your own public health crisis in your barely “first world” country :lmao

Failed attempt at guessing where I lived, failed attempt at being funny. Expected. Also, trying to measure the severity of an epidemic on the number of immediate deaths when a large percentage of the population isn't even infected yet... You should have smiley privileges revoked, tbh. They just make you look extra-retard.

[hombre]

WOW BRO 39 PEOPLE DIED BRO SHUT DOWN THE WORLD ECONOMY BRO!!!!! :lmao

It's obvious that you are either misinformed or completely lack the capacity to under how contagious c19 is.

[Genovaswitness]

Failed attempt at guessing where I lived, failed attempt at being funny. Expected. Also, trying to measure the severity of an epidemic on the number of immediate deaths when a large percentage of the population isn't even infected yet... You should have smiley privileges revoked, tbh. They just make you look extra-retard.

cool don’t care


It's obvious that you are either misinformed or completely lack the capacity to under how contagious c19 is.

i guess there’s another wacky advanced stats metric I’m missing out on. CRAZY!!!

[Atl Spur]

wow even the XFL is canceled. can’t believe a virus got so hyped and politicized. and only 39 deaths in the USA wow I thought we were gonna have like 14 million by today’s end according to ST epidemiologists :lmao

Tread lightly homie, don’t let the 40th become someone you love. Your act is juvenile.......you’re better than this I hope.

[tholdren]

It's obvious that you are either misinformed or completely lack the capacity to under how contagious c19 is.
You dumb

[tholdren]

In a shocking development common citizens seek social media for answers and then panic. Not understanding that good hygiene will prevent the spread of viruses and infection. Even more strange citizens are shocked that this virus is almost only fatal to the elderly with preexisting conditions and even 80 year olds with no preexisting conditions who contract the virus do not need to seek medical attention. Many are even flooding stores to buy.... toilet paper at bulk. Sad

[Death In June]

People citing the US death toll as a reason to treat the pandemic without a sense of urgency are delusional or just ignorant to how antigenic shift works. They're also not accounting for the underreporting going on right now due to lack of available tests. It's better to "over correct' and potentially nip a death toll that could creep up into the millions with many more sick. This thing is just starting. Why anyone would turn their nose up and act like a smarmy twat about it is unbelievable.

[Joseph Kony]

You dumb

:lmao stupidest poster on the forum continuing to look like a retard. stfu and go watch MASH old man

[Genovaswitness]

People citing the US death toll as a reason to treat the pandemic without a sense of urgency are delusional or just ignorant to how antigenic shift works. They're also not accounting for the underreporting going on right now due to lack of available tests. It's better to "over correct' and potentially nip a death toll that could creep up into the millions with many more sick. This thing is just starting. Why anyone would turn their nose up and act like a smarmy twat about it is unbelievable.

yeah man I’m really glad the markets are fucking trashed and every form of entertainment is canceled because of the flu. 39 deaths and this happens, really glad the regular
flu doesn’t get this much press

[ChumpDumper]

It's like you people have never heard of exponential growth.

[BacktoBasics]

cool don’t care



i guess there’s another wacky advanced stats metric I’m missing out on. CRAZY!!!Then get the fuck out of the thread. I knew it was just a matter of time before stupid annoying unproductive dumbfucks like yourself feel the need to enter this thread and blow it up with your wasteful nonsense and puff chesting stupidity.

If you truly don’t care then move right along to something you do care about.

[Frenchfred]

yawn euro fucktard yawn. go handle your own public health crisis in your barely “first world” country :lmao

typical comment from a stupid Trumpster. No wonder why the entire world thinks that you guys are retarded. Go play with your gun and big truck, don’t forget to maintain your fat silhouette. I almost forgot :rollin

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Then get the fuck out of the thread. I knew it was just a matter of time before stupid annoying unproductive dumbfucks like yourself feel the need to enter this thread and blow it up with your wasteful nonsense and puff chesting stupidity.

If you truly don’t care then move right along to something you do care about.

Just anonymous internet warriors trying to prove how great they are. As if everyone doesn't have elderly relatives, friends or neighbours to protect. Who cares if you're young and healthy, you're going to spread it to people who aren't.

I'm in Europe and the situation is really bad and getting worse by the day. 250 new deaths in the last 24 hrs in Italy alone.

[Death In June]

yeah man I’m really glad the markets are fucking trashed and every form of entertainment is canceled because of the flu. 39 deaths and this happens, really glad the regular
flu doesn’t get this much press
You should also get a flu vaccine. Right now, you're more likely to get influenza. That doesn't mean you should discount the damage COVID19 could do. We don't have a corona virus vaccine, FDA approved treatments, enough testing kits, or an immune system that will handle a new animal borne strain of virus well. We will probably experience an order of magnitude greater infections than a bad flu season, even with all the precautions.

[Genovaswitness]

Then get the fuck out of the thread. I knew it was just a matter of time before stupid annoying unproductive dumbfucks like yourself feel the need to enter this thread and blow it up with your wasteful nonsense and puff chesting stupidity.

If you truly don’t care then move right along to something you do care about.

it’s a beautiful day out. you wouldn’t know it with your “social distancing” :lmao


typical comment from a stupid Trumpster. No wonder why the entire world thinks that you guys are retarded. Go play with your gun and big truck, don’t forget to maintain your fat silhouette. I almost forgot :rollin

another highly taxed euro fucktard :lmao your tent hospitals are the envy of the western world :lmao

[Genovaswitness]

You should also get a flu vaccine. Right now, you're more likely to get influenza. That doesn't mean you should discount the damage COVID19 could do. We don't have a corona virus vaccine, FDA approved treatments, enough testing kits, or an immune system that will handle a new animal borne strain of virus well. We will probably experience an order of magnitude greater infections than a bad flu season, even with all the precautions.

I get a flu shot every year

[baseline bum]

It's like you people have never heard of exponential growth.

People don't understand that it's slower than linear growth for a while until it blows up to hell. no growth... no growth ... no growth ... little bit.. ah fucking hell it exploded ... now exploding way worse ... now exploding way way worse ...

[pgardn]

It's like you people have never heard of exponential growth.

Then they don’t get interest rates either.

[Genovaswitness]

it's kind of sickening how some STers are cheering on a pandemic and millions of death. almost like you guys are wanting this to happen to prove some type of smug lib point. smdh

[BacktoBasics]

it's kind of sickening how some STers are cheering on a pandemic and millions of death. almost like you guys are wanting this to happen to prove some type of smug lib point. smdh
It has nothing to do with a liberal or conservative agenda. But anyone, especially you, who lives their entire life predicated on political affiliation has to be the dumbest most shortsighted person out there.

You people eat, breathe and shit a political line and that’s a huge indicator of your inability to rationalize anything in life. Your decisions and beliefs are born out of empty political talking points and garbage news. I don’t care if you’re a liberal or conservative. Those who tow a party line as a way of life are fucking pathetic.

There’s nothing thought out about your posts. There’s no substance and no real argument. You’re spouting off with no real counter argument. It’s makes you look small and foolish.

[palangi]

It has nothing to do with a liberal or conservative agenda. But anyone, especially you, who lives their entire life predicated on political affiliation has to be the dumbest most shortsighted person out there.

You people eat, breathe and shit a political line and that’s a huge indicator of your inability to rationalize anything in life. Your decisions and beliefs are born out of empty political talking points and garbage news. I don’t care if you’re a liberal or conservative. Those who tow a party line as a way of life are fucking pathetic.

There’s nothing thought out about your posts. There’s no substance and no real argument. You’re spouting off with no real counter argument. It’s makes you look small and foolish.

Unfortunately it had everything to do with that point. A last ditch effort to attack the president and his economy.

Sad indeed

[Genovaswitness]

It has nothing to do with a liberal or conservative agenda. But anyone, especially you, who lives their entire life predicated on political affiliation has to be the dumbest most shortsighted person out there.

You people eat, breathe and shit a political line and that’s a huge indicator of your inability to rationalize anything in life. Your decisions and beliefs are born out of empty political talking points and garbage news. I don’t care if you’re a liberal or conservative. Those who tow a party line as a way of life are fucking pathetic.

There’s nothing thought out about your posts. There’s no substance and no real argument. You’re spouting off with no real counter argument. It’s makes you look small and foolish.

^ cuck mentality tbh

[BacktoBasics]

Unfortunately it had everything to do with that point. A last ditch effort to attack the president and his economy.

Sad indeedThe vast majority of us don’t give a shit about your political spin.


^ cuck mentality tbhLike I said you’ve got nothing. No argument. No point and nothing really to add. You sound a lot like Pelosi

[hombre]

^ cuck mentality tbh

Whatever comrade.

[Genovaswitness]

The vast majority of us don’t give a shit about your political spin.

Like I said you’ve got nothing. No argument. No point and nothing really to add.

There’s no argument to be made. corona virus is about as worth talking about as the common cold.

I hope there’s a corona virus support group for you nearby, you’re a fucking loon

[hombre]

There’s no argument to be made. corona virus is about as worth talking about as the common cold.

I hope there’s a corona virus support group for you nearby, you’re a fucking loon

It's not at all like the common cold, you lack the intelligence to understand that.

[Genovaswitness]

It's not at all like the common cold, you lack the intelligence to understand that.

40 deaths up from 39 yesterday FUCKING INSANE BRO WOW WE’VE NEVER SEEN
THIS BEFORE

how long until you shit your pants? 41 deaths? 42 deaths?

[hombre]

I started shitting my pants when I realized that Trump put Mike Pence, a man who believes the earth is 6,000 years old in charge of the pandemic response.

[BacktoBasics]

I started shitting my pants when I realized that Trump put Mike Pence, a man who believes the earth is 6,000 years old in charge of the pandemic response.
I’m sure Genovawitness is a flat earthier long before considering the age of the planet.

[Genovaswitness]

I’m sure Genovawitness is a flat earthier long before considering the age of the planet.

nope. I’ll be here in a month or two when this ends up being another trump era nothingburger

[tholdren]

People don't understand that it's slower than linear growth for a while until it blows up to hell. no growth... no growth ... no growth ... little bit.. ah fucking hell it exploded ... now exploding way worse ... now exploding way way worse ...

Which more than likely will reduce the mortality rate. Additionally you have no idea what you are talking about. Your whole premise revolves around the assumption that every case has been identified.... you are dumb stop posting

[baseline bum]

Which more than likely will reduce the mortality rate. Additionally you have no idea what you are talking about. Your whole premise revolves around the assumption that every case has been identified.... you are dumb stop posting

Fuck off ignoramus, you make no sense. Take a high school math class retard.

[BacktoBasics]

nope. I’ll be here in a month or two when this ends up being another trump era nothingburger
So that’s a yes on flat earth.

[tholdren]

Fuck off ignoramus, you make no sense. Take a high school math class retard.

Lol wait so you mean when more people get tested more positives will happen OMG

You are not smart keep trying.

[Genovaswitness]

So that’s a yes on flat earth.

I already said no. Typical brain dead lib. Sick in the head wishing for a real pandemic, your mother would be ashamed

[BacktoBasics]

I already said no. Typical brain dead lib. Sick in the head wishing for a real pandemic, your mother would be ashamedFake news. Typical canned response from a loon. If I disagree with you I’m obviously a lib. I vote conservatively but hate the loons on the far right.

We all know you’re a flat earther. It’s a beautiful perfect flat earth and you know it.

[Slippy]

it's kind of sickening how some STers are cheering on a pandemic and millions of death. almost like you guys are wanting this to happen to prove some type of smug lib point. smdh

More upsetting is the ones saying its no worse than the flu and only effects old people.

Older folk are big part of the population, health systems cant cope and it attacks lungs alot worse than the flu.

Btw Italys mortality rate is now 8percent from covid 19.

[Genovaswitness]

Fake news. Typical canned response from a loon. If I disagree with you I’m obviously a lib. I vote conservatively but hate the loons on the far right.

We all know you’re a flat earther. It’s a beautiful perfect flat earth and you know it.

say whatever you want to make yourself feel better you fucking retard. going crazy over the flu :lmao

[Genovaswitness]

More upsetting is the ones saying its no worse than the flu and only effects old people.

Older folk are big part of the population, health systems cant cope and it attacks lungs alot worse than the flu.

Btw Italys mortality rate is now 8percent from covid 19.

sounds like a third world country issue tbh

[ducks]

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.


Lol it was as high as 54

[SpurPadre]

Lol you're dumb

A MAGA idiot like you telling me I'm dumb means nothing to me. Ignorant shit kicker.

[ducks]

Yeah how dare the USA be great

Let
More
Illegals
Vote
That is foreign election interference !

[palangi]

The vast majority of us don’t give a shit about your political spin.

Like I said you’ve got nothing. No argument. No point and nothing really to add. You sound a lot like Pelosi

Only your political spin.

[palangi]

Fake news. Typical canned response from a loon. If I disagree with you I’m obviously a lib. I vote conservatively but hate the loons on the far right.

We all know you’re a flat earther. It’s a beautiful perfect flat earth and you know it.
I smell bull shit here

[SayTown]

The thing I dislike most about San Antonio which is the humidity is the thing that will keep the virus away from San Antonio at least until next fall.

[Frenchfred]

it’s a beautiful day out. you wouldn’t know it with your “social distancing” :lmao



another highly taxed euro fucktard :lmao your tent hospitals are the envy of the western world :lmao

Yes, your higher infant mortality rate, lack of healthcare, low education ratings, obesity level, your crime rate, no culture...are envied by the entire world.

I know that my country is not perfect but I’m not as dumb as Republicans who keep repeating to themselves that the US is the greatest country in the world. You are the only one doing that, maybe it is to persuade yourselves, like Trump, you keep repeating a lie until you finally believe it. I’ve traveled the world and I can tell you that a lot of republicans (not all) are really not educated. For the so called « best country in the world », it is a shame to see such a level of ignorance

[exstatic]

The thing I dislike most about San Antonio which is the humidity is the thing that will keep the virus away from San Antonio at least until next fall.

The humidity has nothing to do with transmission of the virus. It’s already here, by the way, so it can’t be “kept away”. It’s transmitted like a cold. You pick it up from a surface, or someone’s hand, and you touch your nose/mouth, or rub you eyes.

Please don’t post misinformation because it makes you feel better, or safe.

[Frenchfred]

40 deaths up from 39 yesterday FUCKING INSANE BRO WOW WE’VE NEVER SEEN
THIS BEFORE

how long until you shit your pants? 41 deaths? 42 deaths?

In a country where people don't go to the doctor because they have no health insurance or don't want to spend the money, do you really believe those numbers? Do you think that they do an autopsy on all the people dying right now? Pretty naive in my opinion.

[BacktoBasics]

I smell bull shit here
Then you should check your pants. I see very little on either side of the isle worth advocating for. None of these people, right or left, work for the best interest of the public. They do for themselves and for the party that protects them.

[tholdren]

In a country where people don't go to the doctor because they have no health insurance or don't want to spend the money, do you really believe those numbers? Do you think that they do an autopsy on all the people dying right now? Pretty naive in my opinion.
This isn't true.

[tholdren]

Yes, your higher infant mortality rate, lack of healthcare, low education ratings, obesity level, your crime rate, no culture...are envied by the entire world.

I know that my country is not perfect but I’m not as dumb as Republicans who keep repeating to themselves that the US is the greatest country in the world. You are the only one doing that, maybe it is to persuade yourselves, like Trump, you keep repeating a lie until you finally believe it. I’ve traveled the world and I can tell you that a lot of republicans (not all) are really not educated. For the so called « best country in the world », it is a shame to see such a level of ignorance

You are right us healthcare is poor. Many of them endorse this scare....

[Big P]

In a country where people don't go to the doctor because they have no health insurance or don't want to spend the money, do you really believe those numbers? Do you think that they do an autopsy on all the people dying right now? Pretty naive in my opinion.

You have no clue wtf you are talking about...we have a huge social safety net in Medicare and Medicaid and literally anyone can walk into an emergency room and be treated.

[Frenchfred]

You have no clue wtf you are talking about...we have a huge social safety net in Medicare and Medicaid and literally anyone can walk into an emergency room and be treated.

Go ahead and believe that. 44% of Americans don’t go to the doctor for financial reasons. Heard of copay, deductible, out of pocket...

https://www.google.fr/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/09/16/americans-doctors-visits

[ZeusWillJudge]

LOL. I finally found out what the deal was with not using those foreign test kits. They were giving up to 48% false negatives. In retrospect, maybe it would have been better to use them anyway. But in general, bad results are as bad or worse than no results in situations, because people make bad decisions with confidence. People say, "Well, I'm okay" and go mingle.

I also just saw that they threw a bunch of shit into the coronavirus aid package that had nothing to do with coronavirus. That's what I'm talking about politicizing a damn virus. Have those battles somewhere else, some other time. I hate fucking politicians. All of them.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Go ahead and believe that. 44% of Americans don’t go to the doctor for financial reasons. Heard of copay, deductible, out of pocket...

https://www.google.fr/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/09/16/americans-doctors-visits


About half the times I go to a pharmacy, someone ahead of me finds out the price on a prescription they are picking up and says, "I don't want it". It was bad before, but it got worse after they implemented Obamacare because they made deals to get the pharmaceutical companies on board. The biggest drug for MS is Copaxone. It had been out for over a decade, so the price should have been going down. The month before Obamacare went into effect, they raised the price from about $4,000 per month to over $6,000 per month. No reason for that kind of increase, other than they were given permission.

[dbestpro]

Lots of healthcare talk so I'll toss in what I know. Before ACA we spent 11% of the GDP on healthcare. Today we spend 17% of the GDP on healthcare. We were ranked 32 in the world regarding healthcare and now we are ranked 34. Over this time insurance companies have tripled their profits while wages for the grunt medical workers like LPNs/LVNs have barely budged in 30 years. To put the spending into perspective we spent 6% on all of education prior to ACA and now we spend 7%. Military spending remains at 4-5%.

For me, these facts say that we do not have a money problem with healthcare we have a practice problem. What we have learned is the more money we throw at healthcare the more healthcare will cost. One of the primary drivers is the practice of litigious medicine. Awarded lawsuits are a fraction of the cost. It is the practice of ordering everything under the sun to prevent a lawsuit that is the problem. Billions of dollars go to waste ordering tests that are not necessary. I would like to see %120 payment for those tests that are positive and 30% payment for those tests that are negative. Insurance companies do not bring a whole lot to the table other than getting doctors to accept lower payments. The government could do the same thing. Regarding pharmacy, I really do believe that the government should get into the research and manufacturing business of drugs. We cannot rely on a private sector that gets 80% of its product from China. All the pharmacy maker is, is a distributor. They can continue to distribute but they would have to buy from a government factory.

Now I do not believe in socialism, but I do know that the issue of healthcare is a matter of national security and the management and distribution of it has gotten completely out of control. Maybe we need to go back to public owned county hospitals that provides a free education to those who graduate and serve the hospital for 10 years. There are many things we can do to make it better for everyone. No one on the left or the right seems to be able to think this way today.

[Genovaswitness]

In a country where people don't go to the doctor because they have no health insurance or don't want to spend the money, do you really believe those numbers? Do you think that they do an autopsy on all the people dying right now? Pretty naive in my opinion.

I guess there’s millions of unknown deaths that are because of the corona virus

woke up, we’re at 50 deaths in a country of 320million+. Maybe things are better here because the USA isn’t a shithole like most of Western Europe.

euro fucktards :lmao

[tholdren]

LOL. I finally found out what the deal was with not using those foreign test kits. They were giving up to 48% false negatives. In retrospect, maybe it would have been better to use them anyway. But in general, bad results are as bad or worse than no results in situations, because people make bad decisions with confidence. People say, "Well, I'm okay" and go mingle.

I also just saw that they threw a bunch of shit into the coronavirus aid package that had nothing to do with coronavirus. That's what I'm talking about politicizing a damn virus. Have those battles somewhere else, some other time. I hate fucking politicians. All of them.

If only the rest of America would understand this is a political and stupidity issue, not a health issue

[tholdren]

People today are so dumb they need a positive flu test to make them practice good hygiene... twitter heroes

[Frenchfred]

I guess there’s millions of unknown deaths that are because of the corona virus

woke up, we’re at 50 deaths in a country of 320million+. Maybe things are better here because the USA isn’t a shithole like most of Western Europe.

euro fucktards :lmao

I love that you are showing how dumb and stupid you are and you don't even see it, hilarious. Keep it up champ, we love to see idiots like you. It fulfills all the stereotype :lmao

[Genovaswitness]

I love that you are showing how dumb and stupid you are and you don't even see it, hilarious. Keep it up champ, we love to see idiots like you. It fulfills all the stereotype :lmao


a classic brain dead nonresponse from one of our resident ST euro fucktards :lmao

careful breathing outside, your abysmal public health measures obviously aren’t working :lmao

currently banned from the USA :lmao

[Frenchfred]

a classic brain dead nonresponse from one of our resident ST euro fucktards :lmao

careful breathing outside, your abysmal public health measures obviously aren’t working :lmao

currently banned from the USA

and he continue showing his stupidity, love it. You probably cannot even place European countries on a map like a vast majority of your countrymen, education in the "best" country in the world :lmao

Do you realize that only 14000 people have been tested in the "best" country in the world for coronavirus? You are better than Turkey , good job https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/ Such a great country :lmao

Go try to make america great again since apparently it is not great according to your own catch phrase MAGA :lmao

[Leetonidas]

Infamous historic words on COVID from POTUS.

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 13: "I am officially declaring a national emergency, two very big words."

and:

“I don’t take responsibility at all"




:lmao :lmao dude has the vernacular of a fucking 8 year old. No wonder so many of you inbred troglodytes love fellating him

[ZeusWillJudge]

Here we go. This is what came from using those shitty false-negative tests:


In Guangdong, officials responsible for the coronavirus response announced (https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-02-26/14-of-recovered-covid-19-patients-in-guangdong-tested-positive-again-101520415.html) Feb. 25 that 14% of declared recoveries in the province had later retested positive.

Scientists in and outside China agree that reinfection is a highly unlikely explanation for the patients who retest positive. They say testing errors are more likely to blame — either false negatives that resulted in patients being discharged too early, or false positives when they retested and were taken back into hospital... When a person gets sick with any kind of viral infection, their immune system naturally develops antibodies that should protect them from contracting the illness again after they’ve recovered.

[spurs10]

and he continue showing his stupidity, love it. You probably cannot even place European countries on a map like a vast majority of your countrymen, education in the "best" country in the world :lmao

Do you realize that only 14000 people have been tested in the "best" country in the world for coronavirus? You are better than Turkey , good job https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/ Such a great country :lmao

Go try to make america great again since apparently it is not great according to your own catch phrase MAGA :lmao Much of what you say about our poor healthcare system is true and that's why it's such a big issue this election. All our citizens need health insurance and the majority of Americans believe that, and will be voting accordingly. As for 'anyone can go into an emergency room and be treated' that is true. The bill they will receive will be for thousands of dollars and they won't quit hounding you. Note that all of the people who can't afford health insurance are the last to be able to afford emergency room visits. The testing for coronavirus has been abysmal, truly horrific. The fact that the current administration dismantled the U.S. pandemic response team (which there is ample evidence stating they indeed did this despite the denials) was also a big reason for our big delay in testing. That and the efforts to not test where 'the numbers' wouldn't look bad (this is sadly true as well). Then of course it's the 'new hoax' claims were imbecilic and very dangerous. I hope everyone gets through this and the impact around the world is far less than expected. Healthcare matters.

[lmbebo]

Lots of healthcare talk so I'll toss in what I know. Before ACA we spent 11% of the GDP on healthcare. Today we spend 17% of the GDP on healthcare. We were ranked 32 in the world regarding healthcare and now we are ranked 34. Over this time insurance companies have tripled their profits while wages for the grunt medical workers like LPNs/LVNs have barely budged in 30 years. To put the spending into perspective we spent 6% on all of education prior to ACA and now we spend 7%. Military spending remains at 4-5%.

For me, these facts say that we do not have a money problem with healthcare we have a practice problem. What we have learned is the more money we throw at healthcare the more healthcare will cost. One of the primary drivers is the practice of litigious medicine. Awarded lawsuits are a fraction of the cost. It is the practice of ordering everything under the sun to prevent a lawsuit that is the problem. Billions of dollars go to waste ordering tests that are not necessary. I would like to see %120 payment for those tests that are positive and 30% payment for those tests that are negative. Insurance companies do not bring a whole lot to the table other than getting doctors to accept lower payments. The government could do the same thing. Regarding pharmacy, I really do believe that the government should get into the research and manufacturing business of drugs. We cannot rely on a private sector that gets 80% of its product from China. All the pharmacy maker is, is a distributor. They can continue to distribute but they would have to buy from a government factory.

Now I do not believe in socialism, but I do know that the issue of healthcare is a matter of national security and the management and distribution of it has gotten completely out of control. Maybe we need to go back to public owned county hospitals that provides a free education to those who graduate and serve the hospital for 10 years. There are many things we can do to make it better for everyone. No one on the left or the right seems to be able to think this way today.

To add on, all the "growth" in healthcare has not been in people providing the care, i.e. physicians, nurses, PA, MAs, etc. Its all been administrative burden and billing. I saw a chart the other day that the healthcare industry added 940,000 jobs in the past 10 years. None are actually involved in delivering healthcare.

Obama made deals with the hospitals and insurance companies to get the ACA to pass. It pushed physicians out of ownership/leadership roles and moved the power to the insurance companies and hospitals.

Same crap is occuring now with surprise billing. Some of it is from private equity groups which have entered the space like Envision and Teamhealth which have abused the opting out of plans. But now insurance companies are doing it on purpose to get more people angry about surprise bills. United is especially bad at this. They are pushing doctors out of network without notifying both the doctors and patients! They want there insured patients to get upset at the doctors and push for the surprise billing fix. Most doctors don't want to surprise bill, its the only tool we have left to to negotiate with insurance companies. They are better served having a negotiated rate with insurance companies.

Power is consolidating into mega corporations. I'm hoping that this bear market and recession? creates such a credit crunch that some of these entities suffer and go out of business.

[Spurs Homer]

wow!

trumptards really drank the orange turds kool-aid -

too bad it wasnt poison - so they could all die off now and...

MAGA!

[tholdren]

wow!

trumptards really drank the orange turds kool-aid -

too bad it wasnt poison - so they could all die off now and...

MAGA!
What is the koolaid? That this is overblown? It is. That is all

[baseline bum]

Before ACA we spent 11% of the GDP on healthcare.

You included no source. I'm calling BS unless you're meaning say 1990 when you say before the ACA. The ACA only exists because America was fed up with runaway healthcare costs in the decade leading up the ACA's passage. The ACA sucks, you won't get any argument out of me there, but let's not pretend shitty American healthcare began with it.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Infamous historic words on COVID from POTUS.

Blah, blah, blah

FDR told the country "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself". He went on to talk about "nameless, unreasoning fear which paralyze efforts..." We've got people in stores having fist fights over toilet paper - as if they could eat it if necessary.

People like you would actually like it if things went to shit, just to confirm your hate. And I have to admit, it's people like you who make it hard for me not to think that the planet really does need a good enema.

[baseline bum]

FDR told the country "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself". He went on to talk about "nameless, unreasoning fear which paralyze efforts..." We've got people in stores having fist fights over toilet paper - as if they could eat it if necessary.

People like you would actually like it if things went to shit, just to confirm your hate. And I have to admit, it's people like you who make it hard for me not to think that the planet really does need a good enema.

If we had a leader like FDR we wouldn't have nearly as much to fear from this pandemic.

[palangi]

wow!

trumptards really drank the orange turds kool-aid -

too bad it wasnt poison - so they could all die off now and...

MAGA!

Tolerance and death wishes from the left.

And trump is the divisive one....? Ok?

[Spurs Homer]

Tolerance and death wishes from the left.

And trump is the divisive one....? Ok?

will you drink the poison when trump orders you to?

yes or no?

[palangi]

If we had a leader like FDR we wouldn't have nearly as much to fear from this pandemic.

We do. And the stock market is rising again.

[palangi]

will you drink the poison when trump orders you to?

yes or no?

Tolerance and death wishes now wants people to drink poison.

Derangement is strong in this one

[baseline bum]

We do. And the stock market is rising again.

No, we have a leader who called a national emergency a Democratic hoax.

[palangi]

No, we have a leader who called a national emergency a Democratic hoax.

You guys really have a hard time with facts. He never called the virus a hoax.
And trump has done more in a shorter period of time than Obama did with H1N1 in six months. The time it took him to call it a national disaster. After thousands had died.
Only 10's have died from the wuhan virus.

But please push your baseless liberals agenda. Orange man bad.... orange man bad....

[baseline bum]

You guys really have a hard time with facts. He never called the virus a hoax.
And trump has done more in a shorter period of time than Obama did with H1N1 in six months. The time it took him to call it a national disaster. After thousands had died.
Only 10's have died from the wuhan virus.

But please push your baseless liberals agenda. Orange man bad.... orange man bad....

Here is a fact: Trump and Pelosi just fucked us yesterday.

[baseline bum]

Only 10's have died from the wuhan virus.


How many had died in Italy 12 days ago? How many is it now?

[OldMan88]

You want “cheap” healthcare? It’s easy... go back to 1950’s era healthcare when the usual outcome of any cancer diagnosis was a very painful death. It was typically discovered using “exploratory surgery” because the only imaging tool was a simple x-ray. We fortunately had some sulfa drugs & penicillin that worked on some infections, but not all.

We have too many people who seem to be able to “justify” buying a new car or a house, but won’t be responsible and carry a basic health insurance plan. If they did, it would lower the insurance premiums the rest of us pay and make it much cheaper for the government to provide basic coverage for the very poor & destitute ONLY.

[palangi]

Here is a fact: Trump and Pelosi just fucked us yesterday.

Here is the fact Pelosi fucked us and has for years

[palangi]

How many had died in Italy 12 days ago? How many is it now?

Trump is president of Italy?

[ducks]

12434 died in 2009 swine flu
44 never did anything tell 1000 died

So people never say anything like it must be 10

[ducks]

Trump wanted to help China with it In nov there
Had China let him it wouldn’t have spread


Asians can have issues with it because they have resportory issues

[ducks]

Here is the fact Pelosi fucked us and has for years

Cal has fucked USA for years voting for nancy !

[ChumpDumper]

We do. And the stock market is rising again.

Has Trump spread any misinformation during this situation?

Yes or no.

[ducks]

2009-2010 - H1N1 outbreak, known as swine flu. Obama declares national emergency 6 months after first US registered case and after 1000 Americans already died. Overall, we lost 12,000+ people in the USA. According to liberals, Obama kept swine flu under control.
2020 coronavirus outbreak - around 40 victims...same liberals say Trump lost control already.

[baseline bum]

Trump is president of Italy?

52 then, 1441 now, plain as day exponential growth. We're at 51 today. The virus won't give a shit if you're Italian or American. Pick up a math book sometime you ignoramus.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

https://i.ibb.co/X7zvFNs/linear.png

https://i.ibb.co/GkBc98H/logarithmic.png

[baseline bum]

One more graph

https://i.ibb.co/LPsMjvv/fuck.png

[palangi]

52 then, 1441 now, plain as day exponential growth. We're at 51 today. The virus won't give a shit if you're Italian or American. Pick up a math book sometime you ignoramus.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

https://i.ibb.co/X7zvFNs/linear.png

https://i.ibb.co/GkBc98H/logarithmic.png

Im talking about the USA. But way to deflect and make trump responsible for every case world wide.

The derangement is much stronger in this one than originally thought

[baseline bum]

Im talking about the USA. But way to deflect and make trump responsible for every case world wide.

The derangement is much stronger in this one than originally thought

Look one post above your vomit and see we're on a similar track, maybe a little worse.

[palangi]

52 then, 1441 now, plain as day exponential growth. We're at 51 today. The virus won't give a shit if you're Italian or American. Pick up a math book sometime you ignoramus.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

https://i.ibb.co/X7zvFNs/linear.png

https://i.ibb.co/GkBc98H/logarithmic.png

52 deaths... we're still thousands away from when Obama would respond. Yet you attack aimlessly. Orange man bad.... orange man bad.....

[baseline bum]

52 deaths... we're still thousands away from when Obama would respond. Yet you attack aimlessly. Orange man bad.... orange man bad.....

Nice you have given up on the :cry but only 10's of deaths :cry ignorance

[palangi]

Look one post above your vomit and see we're on a similar track, maybe a little worse.

You and liberal fans sure hope so.

Tell me when the spurs went on a 2 game winning streak, we're they on the same track as the Lakers too?

[palangi]

Nice you have given up on the :cry but only 10's of deaths :cry ignorance

Yeah 52 is in the 10's. I am right. Do we really need to keep covering that for you?

[baseline bum]

You and liberal fans sure hope so.

Tell me when the spurs went on a 2 game winning streak, we're they on the same track as the Lakers too?

No one hopes so fuckhead. I would love nothing more than to see this virus flame out and Trump takes victory laps all the way to a landslide victory in November.

[palangi]

Nice you have given up on the :cry but only 10's of deaths :cry ignorance

You're like the little engine that could. Just keep trying

[palangi]

No one hopes so fuckhead. I would love nothing more than to see this virus flame out and Trump takes victory laps all the way to a landslide victory in November.

Ah yes here is the name calling.

Winning

[baseline bum]

Ah yes here is the name calling.

Winning

OK son

[palangi]

OK son

Can't help himself now.
When your rebuttal turns to name calling you know you are on the losing side.

Winning

[baseline bum]

Can't help himself now.
When your rebuttal turns to name calling you know you are on the losing side.

Winning

I know, your feelings don't care about facts. Everything is about Trump.

[palangi]

I know, your feelings don't care about facts. Everything is about Trump.

You're the one with hurt feelings. You tried to put Italy death numbers on trump. And you want to talk facts. Them when called out for it turn to name calling.
Those are hurt feelings, in the up most

[Genovaswitness]

and he continue showing his stupidity, love it. You probably cannot even place European countries on a map like a vast majority of your countrymen, education in the "best" country in the world :lmao

Do you realize that only 14000 people have been tested in the "best" country in the world for coronavirus? You are better than Turkey , good job https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/ Such a great country :lmao

Go try to make america great again since apparently it is not great according to your own catch phrase MAGA :lmao

still sitting at 50 deaths while Italy is having their own Black Plague :lmao

cant even fly here anymore :lmao

[palangi]

I know, your feelings don't care about facts. Everything is about Trump.

Liberals make everything about trump.
Wuhan Chinese virus.... trump's fault.
Thousands dieing in Italy... apparently trump fault.

Get called out for it... blame conservatives for making everything about trump.

Your derangement is getting very scary, buddy.

[baseline bum]

Liberals make everything about trump.
Wuhan Chinese virus.... trump's fault.
Thousands dieing in Italy... apparently trump fault.

Get called out for it... blame conservatives for making everything about trump.

Your derangement is getting very scary, buddy.

:lol Being so mad you have to respond twice :lol

[palangi]

:lol Being so mad you have to respond twice :lol

Ha. You are trying.
Those are 2 different points so two different posts.
Are you ok? Im seriously worried about your mental health.

[baseline bum]

Ha. You are trying.
Those are 2 different points so two different posts.
Are you ok? Im seriously worried about your mental health.

Have fun boy, thread's all your's again

[ChumpDumper]

You're the one with hurt feelings. You tried to put Italy death numbers on trump. And you want to talk facts. Them when called out for it turn to name calling.
Those are hurt feelings, in the up mostThat isn't what he was doing.

It's clear as day what he was doing.

How could you possibly miss what he was doing?

[palangi]

Have fun boy, thread's all your's again

Tolerant name calling. Im sorry.

[Leetonidas]

Tolerant name calling. Im sorry.

faggot

[palangi]

faggot

Tolerant libs. Their the best.
Winning

[spurrunner]

That isn't what he was doing.

It's clear as day what he was doing.

How could you possibly miss what he was doing?

It's because he's not an honest actor.

[palangi]

It's because he's not an honest actor.

When you can't continue ther debate you name call or accuse the other side. In this case dishonest. It's ok. You don't need facts when all you want is to push the orange man bad agenda.

Go on and accuse tolerant left. It's all you have left

[ChumpDumper]

When you can't continue ther debate you name call or accuse the other side. In this case dishonest. It's ok. You don't need facts when all you want is to push the orange man bad agenda.

Go on and accuse tolerant left. It's all you have leftWhy couldn't you figure out what he was doing with the Italy numbers?

[palangi]

Why couldn't you figure out what he was doing with the Italy numbers?

Because that wasn't the conversation. He was deflecting to something else.
Im sorry I tried to hold him accountable to the topic.

[ChumpDumper]

When you can't continue ther debate you name call or accuse the other side. In this case dishonest.My guess is he's incredulous that someone could miss what BB was doing with the Italian numbers. If you have a different explanation, I'd love to see it.

[ChumpDumper]

Because that wasn't the conversation. He was deflecting to something else.
Im sorry I tried to hold him accountable to the topic.My view is that he was illustrating how the infection will likely spread in the US in a way similar to Italy and that no one should expect the number of infected and dead to stay low. If it's some kind of tangent, it's still worth discussing in a coronavirus thread.

[palangi]

And I addressed that. Look at my analogy. Comparing 10's of deaths to thousands and putting that on trump is reckless.
A 2 game winning streak doesn't put you on track to have the best record in the league

[palangi]

The virus is serious. And the president has treated it as such. Your insistent hate for him doesn't make that untrue

[ChumpDumper]

And I addressed that. Look at my analogy. Comparing 10's of deaths to thousands and putting that on trump is reckless.He didn't put the Italian deaths on Trump. Repeating that is a logical fallacy.

A 2 game winning streak doesn't put you on track to have the best record in the leagueHow is a viral infection like a basketball team?

The comparison breaks down almost instantly tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

The virus is serious. And the president has treated it as such. Your insistent hate for him doesn't make that untrueIt's pretty clear he downplayed the virus and its potential effects for over a month-- the quotes are in this very thread and I can retrieve them for you if needed. I'm glad he finally changed his rhetoric yesterday, though he proved a horrible example for people who need to practice social distancing and common sense methods to slow the spread of the virus.

[Sugus]

Infamous historic words on COVID from POTUS.

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 13: "I am officially declaring a national emergency, two very big words."



It's like you seriously can't make up how genuinely mentally challenged his words read. To the point that I'd love a source if you have one... Just for the kicks of a direct look at such a deranged man. I hope the US can do a good job of preventing the spread of CO19 in spite of its administration, because the death toll could be huge if not. Scary times we're living in.

[palangi]

He didn't put the Italian deaths on Trump. Repeating that is a logical fallacy.
How is a viral infection like a basketball team?

The comparison breaks down almost instantly tbh.

Wow ok. Analogy is all it is.

It also breaks down trying to compare 52 to thousands. But if course you don't see that

[palangi]

It's pretty clear he downplayed the virus and its potential effects for over a month-- the quotes are in this very thread and I can retrieve them for you if needed. I'm glad he finally changed his rhetoric yesterday, though he proved a horrible example for people who need to practice social distancing and common sense methods to slow the spread of the virus.

China travel ban is not downplaying. Even doing this while ther left and it's media wants to call him axenaphobe for it

[palangi]

It's like you seriously can't make up how genuinely mentally challenged his words read. To the point that I'd love a source if you have one... Just for the kicks of a direct look at such a deranged man. I hope the US can do a good job of preventing the spread of CO19 in spite of its administration, because the death toll could be huge if not. Scary times we're living in.

You are trying real hard with this. I guess he should have waited for thousands to die before acting like Obama.

Good call

[palangi]

It's like you seriously can't make up how genuinely mentally challenged his words read. To the point that I'd love a source if you have one... Just for the kicks of a direct look at such a deranged man. I hope the US can do a good job of preventing the spread of CO19 in spite of its administration, because the death toll could be huge if not. Scary times we're living in.

Only scary of you don't take care of yourself. Let's try not to make this into the black plague. Wash your hands and be apart of the solution to this incredibly scary time

[ChumpDumper]

Wow ok. Analogy is all it is.And it's not a good analogy at all.

If we're talking basketball, the teams are viruses and humans. The only real difference is they're playing in a bigger arena so the results are going to be largely the same.


It also breaks down trying to compare 52 to thousands. But if course you don't see thatThat's where you seem to be missing the point. BB was showing the US is basically where Italy was about a week ago. Acting like the US number is going to stay 52 is simply unrealistic.

[ChumpDumper]

China travel ban is not downplaying. Even doing this while ther left and it's media wants to call him axenaphobe for itThe quotes are right there for you to see.

He downplayed it for over a month, very notably after the China travel ban.

[palangi]

And it's not a good analogy at all.

If we're talking basketball, the teams are viruses and humans. The only real difference is they're playing in a bigger arena so the results are going to be largely the same.

That's where you seem to be missing the point. BB was showing the US is basically where Italy was about a week ago. Acting like the US number is going to stay 52 is simply unrealistic.

As good as you want it to be. If you don't want it top fit then it's horrible

[ChumpDumper]

As good as you want it to be.Do you see where yours breaks down?

[palangi]

And it's not a good analogy at all.

If we're talking basketball, the teams are viruses and humans. The only real difference is they're playing in a bigger arena so the results are going to be largely the same.

That's where you seem to be missing the point. BB was showing the US is basically where Italy was about a week ago. Acting like the US number is going to stay 52 is simply unrealistic.

And acting like it's going the way of Italy is unrealistic. Works both ways when assuming. But the actual right now isn't what you guys want it to be

[ChumpDumper]

And acting like it's going the way of Italy is unrealistic.Why not?

I'd love to see a logical explanation why it wouldn't.

[palangi]

The quotes are right there for you to see.

He downplayed it for over a month, very notably after the China travel ban.

And was acting quickly and swiftly. Taking quotes out of context...
What's the old saying... actions speak louder than words.... just not when an agenda is in play

[palangi]

Why not?

I'd love to see a logical explanation why it wouldn't.

You can assume either way. You assuming (hoping) that we go the way of Italy is wrong

[ChumpDumper]

And was acting quickly and swiftly. Taking quotes out of context...What do you think is the context of those quotes?

[ChumpDumper]

You can assume either way. You assuming (hoping) that we go the way of Italy is wrongWhy?

Explain why you assume it won't.

[ChumpDumper]

Can't management move this shit to the Club Political threads where it belongs now, these Bolded Donk Spergs have invaded because no more NBA. For now.Eh, it's just a couple of threads you don't have to read at all.

[ChumpDumper]

What's the old saying... actions speak louder than words....Look at these actions:

1238602327847833602

Are these men setting a good example for American citizens?

[dbestpro]

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/#item-start
These charts will show you the run away costs of ACA and how they were outpacing the economy. I get the idea of ACA and the fact that people with previous conditions were not getting covered, but now the whole thing has become a run away freight train. Obama did not fix it. Trump is not fixing it. No politician talks about the reality that it is the way we practice medicine that is fueling this train. As previously mentioned there are way too many people making money off this gravy train without ever having anything to do with the actual patient.

[Frenchfred]

still sitting at 50 deaths while Italy is having their own Black Plague :lmao

cant even fly here anymore :lmao

You probably thought that Iraq had WMDs? How cute.

got to love you thinking that a travel ban for 30 days to the US is a punishment. That is pretty hilarious. Trust me buddy, people right now don’t care about visiting the US, they have bigger fish to fry.

[baseline bum]

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/#item-start
These charts will show you the run away costs of ACA and how they were outpacing the economy. I get the idea of ACA and the fact that people with previous conditions were not getting covered, but now the whole thing has become a run away freight train. Obama did not fix it. Trump is not fixing it. No politician talks about the reality that it is the way we practice medicine that is fueling this train. As previously mentioned there are way too many people making money off this gravy train without ever having anything to do with the actual patient.

You said Obamacare brought us from spending 11% of our gdp on heatlhcare to 17%. Your link says it went from 17.2% in 2009 when the ACA was passed to 17.3% in 2014 when it was implemented to 17.7% in 2018. It was 11% in 1988. I didn't bother reading any of the rest of the post when you started with something so clearly wrong.

[Genovaswitness]

You probably thought that Iraq had WMDs? How cute

still swang nuts on the rest of the world and we’re gonna keep doing that. Enjoy your social distancing, high taxes, and tent ICU stay when some plague ridden European coughs on you :toast

[Frenchfred]

still swang nuts on the rest of the world and we’re gonna keep doing that. Enjoy your social distancing, high taxes, and tent ICU stay when some plague ridden European coughs on you :toast

I’m enjoying what my country has to offer. Unlike you I know that my country is not better at everything. But it is better than yours at food and wine, culture and history, which is what I’m going to enjoy the next couple of days. I hope that other major leagues won’t stop their season otherwise you’ll lose circenses. At least you’ll still have panem.

[Genovaswitness]

I’m enjoying what my country has to offer. Unlike you I know that my country is not better at everything. But it is better than yours at food and wine, culture and history, which is what I’m going to enjoy the next couple of days. I hope that other major leagues won’t stop their season otherwise you’ll lose circenses. At least you’ll still have panem.

^euro fucktard cope. get a mask bro and by bro I mean never my bro :toast

[tholdren]

It's like you seriously can't make up how genuinely mentally challenged his words read. To the point that I'd love a source if you have one... Just for the kicks of a direct look at such a deranged man. I hope the US can do a good job of preventing the spread of CO19 in spite of its administration, because the death toll could be huge if not. Scary times we're living in.

Not really. Being scared is why we are in this predicament. If everyone would just use common sense aka hygiene aka stay at home when sick, this wouldn't be an issue. Also if people took care of their bodies and didn't get preexisting conditions then the .mortality rate of this and all other such viral infections would be less than 1 percent like it is now if you dont have preexisting conditions.

[ducks]

Trump Tests Negative for Coronavirus

[Sugus]

Not really. Being scared is why we are in this predicament. If everyone would just use common sense aka hygiene aka stay at home when sick, this wouldn't be an issue. Also if people took care of their bodies and didn't get preexisting conditions then the .mortality rate of this and all other such viral infections would be less than 1 percent like it is now if you dont have preexisting conditions.

The "1%" mortality rate in the US is not nearly the same as other countries where spread of the virus has progressed further. It's very disingenuous (and totally in character) for you to quote that as if it's the absolute rate for the disease. Also, CO19 is far too contagious for hand-washing and "staying at home" (where many people live with their families, or still have to go out to get groceries etc) to be such effective deterrents that they'd render Corona a non-issue.

But you're dying on this hill either way, so we'll let time itself prove you right or wrong.

[Sugus]

Only scary of you don't take care of yourself. Let's try not to make this into the black plague. Wash your hands and be apart of the solution to this incredibly scary time

It's incredibly naive to think only washing your hands is anywhere near a "solution" to the pandemic. You don't think people in Italy already tried that? What will the difference maker be for the US where they failed?

[ducks]

Plug pulled on Biden 'virtual town hall' after technical glitches, miscues


Lol biden can not run a town hall and people want him to be president

[dbestpro]

You said Obamacare brought us from spending 11% of our gdp on heatlhcare to 17%. Your link says it went from 17.2% in 2009 when the ACA was passed to 17.3% in 2014 when it was implemented to 17.7% in 2018. It was 11% in 1988. I didn't bother reading any of the rest of the post when you started with something so clearly wrong.

So sad you choose to think I am bashing ACA. It was 12.1% in 2000. I estimated the numbers but the trends are true. We have a healthcare practice problem. We spend plenty of money on healthcare but no one on the left or the right is talking about the real problem. Billions of dollars are spent on tests and medications that are not needed. My argument has a solution that pays more for getting it right and less for getting it wrong. . ACA did not work. Noble cause but bad no caps on charges. The right is doing nothing which is even worse. W

[dbestpro]

It's incredibly naive to think only washing your hands is anywhere near a "solution" to the pandemic. You don't think people in Italy already tried that? What will the difference maker be for the US where they failed?

People are not washing their hands. They are just getting their hands wet. Try washing your hands for 20 seconds and then look around and see if anyone is getting close to that.

[baseline bum]

People are not washing their hands. They are just getting their hands wet. Try washing your hands for 20 seconds and then look around and see if anyone is getting close to that.

Pretty much any soap breaks up the fat layer on the outside of it and gets rid of the virus. Can't believe people think hand sanitizer is better. But yeah water doesn't do shit. Still, you go to a restaurant you're putting yourself at risk. You go anywhere near someone who has it and you might be putting yourself at risk, as there is some controversy whether it's airborne or not. Even if not you still don't have any control whether the person you pass in the parking lot involuntarily coughs within ten feet of you or a positive person picks up the box of cereal you grab at HEB. Washing hands isn't enough to keep from getting the virus, I only do it in the hope of going as long as I can before getting infected because I know for a week I likely wouldn't know and would be extremely contagious and spreading it when I need to go buy food or other supplies. And with exponential growth, unlike with voting :lol, one person actually really does matter.

[ducks]

NYC alone has 65k homeless people. The state of California has a population of 151k, most in cities lining its West Coast.
I have not heard a single Dem politician address what they are doing to protect their most vulnerable population they have ignored for YEARS and most likely to spread Covid-19 if they are sickened!
Anyone??

[MultiTroll]

NYC alone has 65k homeless people. The state of California has a population of 151k, most in cities lining its West Coast.
I have not heard a single Dem politician address what they are doing to protect their most vulnerable population they have ignored for YEARS and most likely to spread Covid-19 if they are sickened!
Anyone??
:lol Nancy living behind her wall.
:lol Newsom. Has the f-er ever worked a day in his life?

ducks

[Shakril]

I only wish, people will take Corona Virus seriously and stop beeing political. Its not important who was right or wrong, it only matters what happens from here on out. Everything screams right now, that the US is not prepared for whats coming, and people dont seem to care. The US population ist 327 Millions? If only half gets infected (and thats optimistic with the current situation), and only 1% of them die (which is also optimistic), the US will have 1,65 Million dead People in few months. Not a good outlook i would say.

[palangi]

It's incredibly naive to think only washing your hands is anywhere near a "solution" to the pandemic. You don't think people in Italy already tried that? What will the difference maker be for the US where they failed?

Way to latch on to that one thing. of course that isn't there only thing.

[tholdren]

I only wish, people will take Corona Virus seriously and stop beeing political. Its not important who was right or wrong, it only matters what happens from here on out. Everything screams right now, that the US is not prepared for whats coming, and people dont seem to care. The US population ist 327 Millions? If only half gets infected (and thats optimistic with the current situation), and only 1% of them die (which is also optimistic), the US will have 1,65 Million dead People in few months. Not a good outlook i would say.

Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....

[weebo]

Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....

Apples to oranges...the flu season dies down, vaccines, antivirals, "some" immunity, etc...this virus is still an unknown it may or may not run its course like the flu, there is no vaccine, no medication for it, our best defense against this virus is our own immune system...and just an FYI today I eval a pt 30ish y/o male non smoker no h/o of drug abuse and no underlying health conditions intubated and with mechanical ventilation...and for those of you tossing numbers/percentages around...I'll make sure to let his wife and 8 mo baby daughter know his odds...honestly numbers don't mean a damn thing when you're the one hanging on to dear life.

[hombre]

Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....

What number do you need before you care? You are such a bitter person.

[Atl Spur]

Apples to oranges...the flu season dies down, vaccines, antivirals, "some" immunity, etc...this virus is still an unknown it may or may not run its course like the flu, there is no vaccine, no medication for it, our best defense against this virus is our own immune system...and just an FYI today I eval a pt 30ish y/o male non smoker no h/o of drug abuse and no underlying health conditions intubated and with mechanical ventilation...and for those of you tossing numbers/percentages around...I'll make sure to let his wife and 8 mo baby daughter know his odds...honestly numbers don't mean a damn thing when you're the one hanging on to dear life.

The people on here who need to hear that message are brain dead; they’re world renowned scholars of message boarding and attention seekers! May God bless that family........

[paperboy77]

Tired of these threads and news about Pop and POTUS. Pop is just like us with his opinions on the subject at hand. We don’t typically contribute shit with our 2 cents. Unfortunately he’s just like any subordinate with a big opinion yet hardly a real solution. Please Pop shut the fuck up already. So Steven Adams likes how your hair smells... so what? Let the big boys deal with this shit unless you have a solution. “Shut up and coach!”

[ducks]

Gobert pledges $500,000 to help with relief, NBA shutdown

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/gobert-pledges-500000-to-help-with-relief-nba-shutdown

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I’ve no love for either Trump or democrats, this whole political bullshit should be irrelevant in such a serious situation, however it is true the US acted quicker and better than european countries did and while there will likely be way more infected and dead it looks better for the US compared to Italy or Spain.

Just a few weeks ago, with tens of cases of CoViD, italian mayors were openly advocating for people to go out and keep living as if this doesn’t exist, there was a hug-a-chinese campaign, etc. I’d hope these mayors and business owners would face legal consequences once this is over, hopefully soon.

[Frenchfred]

^euro fucktard cope. get a mask bro and by bro I mean never my bro :toast

Bro? No way we could be related, I'm way under 200 lbs, fit, highly educated, I speak several languages, I know my geography and history.

Yep, I'll cope with good food and wine. Go cope with your Chipotle, Mc donald, Subway and other chain restaurants with your other obese bros telling yourselves that there is no need to be cautions about the coronavirus. I never understood people who don't want to take measures to avoid disasters. I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US and that the numbers are real but with only 26 tests per million people so one of the lowest in the world it is hard to have a real picture of what's happening in your country.

[ElNono]

Bro? No way we could be related, I'm way under 200 lbs, fit, highly educated, I speak several languages, I know my geography and history.

Yep, I'll cope with good food and wine. Go cope with your Chipotle, Mc donald, Subway and other chain restaurants with your other obese bros telling yourselves that there is no need to be cautions about the coronavirus. I never understood people who don't want to take measures to avoid disasters. I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US and that the numbers are real but with only 26 tests per million people so one of the lowest in the world it is hard to have a real picture of what's happening in your country.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11GTSlPwkvXzi0/giphy.gif

[Genovaswitness]

Bro? No way we could be related, I'm way under 200 lbs, fit, highly educated, I speak several languages, I know my geography and history.

Yep, I'll cope with good food and wine. Go cope with your Chipotle, Mc donald, Subway and other chain restaurants with your other obese bros telling yourselves that there is no need to be cautions about the coronavirus. I never understood people who don't want to take measures to avoid disasters. I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US and that the numbers are real but with only 26 tests per million people so one of the lowest in the world it is hard to have a real picture of what's happening in your country.

just woke up. Still the lowest infected/death rate in the developed world while your diseased cesspool across the pond is in full panic mode :lmao

have fun traveling when more countries ban you from entering :lmao

[BacktoBasics]

just woke up. Still the lowest infected/death rate in the developed world while your diseased cesspool across the pond is in full panic mode :lmao

have fun traveling when more countries ban you from entering :lmaoYou’re seriously the next level of stupid to try and lean on the lowest level of infection as some legitimate statistical measure considering testing is non existent. You just don’t get it.

With this logic as long as you’ve never been tested for an STD you shouldn’t wear a condom. Because not being tested is as good as being clean.

It’s hard to believe just how incredibly stupid you are.

[Frenchfred]

just woke up. Still the lowest infected/death rate in the developed world while your diseased cesspool across the pond is in full panic mode :lmao

have fun traveling when more countries ban you from entering :lmao

Are you that stupid? if you don’t test people, for sure you won’t find them infected. Man, You are the perfect example of the Dump supporter.

https://www.google.fr/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487562-johns-hopkins-professor-estimates-at-least-50000-people-have-coronavirus-in%3famp

yes, when this is over I’ll travel to other european countries while your exotic weekends will be Tulsa, Fayetteville and other middle of nowhere towns.

[BacktoBasics]

But but but... lowest infection rate.


From North Carolina

As of March 14 at 8:00 a.m., the state of North Carolina has a total of 680 public (i.e., non-commercial) coronavirus test kits.

So the big question is, “Why don’t we have more tests?”

Here’s the situation:

First, there’s a difference between “test kits” and “extraction kits.”

Extraction kits = extract RNA (genetic material) from nasal swabs.

Test kits = test RNA to see if it’s coronavirus.

We started with a national shortage of test kits. That happened because the CDC - after rejecting the WHO kits and deciding to make their own - had a manufacturing error that allowed their test kit to produce false positives. So they had to start over several weeks in.

To make matters worse, while the CDC was fixing their manufacturing error there were many other labs across the country (academic and commercial labs) that wanted to produce their own test kits. But they needed federal approval to move forward, and getting that approval took a couple weeks - a serious amount of time, given the prospect of exponential viral spread.

It appears we are now seeing the production of test kits ramp up from both the CDC and commercial labs like LabCorp (which happens to be headquartered here in North Carolina).

BUT that leads us to our second problem, and the current major bottleneck: extraction kits.

Before you can test the RNA sample from the nasal swab, you have to extract it. Doing so requires a specific chemical. The majority of this specific chemical (called a reagent) is produced by one company with production facilities in Germany and Spain.

And now that specific chemical is in very high demand. The whole world wants it.

A few weeks ago, the FDA started allowing independent labs to develop alternate chemical processes for RNA extraction. It’s unclear how much progress has been made.

So, looking now at the big picture, we basically have a two-track testing system: public testing, which involves our main state lab in NC using the re-manufactured CDC test kits (and in NC, we currently have 680 test kits) and then there’s commercial testing.

Regarding commercial testing, we really don’t know how much is happening. The commercial labs aren’t required to disclose test results unless they’re positive. In North Carolina, we have LabCorp conducting commercial tests. In Charlotte, we also have our two major hospital systems - Atrium and Novant - now saying that they are going to provide “screening.” It’s unclear whether they are simply collecting swabs and sending them to LabCorp (where they may face the same extraction kit bottleneck) or whether they’ve developed in-house capacity to actually produce their own test results.

But it’s important to note that BOTH public and commercial testing appear to be hitting a bottleneck when it comes to extraction.

As a result, we are not screening nearly enough people.

Ideally, anyone who displays flu-like symptoms would be eligible for a public test, free of charge. That’s how we would address this like South Korea and provide for wide-scale testing on the order of tens of thousands per day.

But - due to the shortage - that’s not the case. Instead, the CDC guidelines (which NC is currently following) currently state that you have to 1) display flu-like symptoms AND have had direct contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case OR, 2) you have to display flu-like symptoms AND lower respiratory symptoms (cough, shortness of breath) AND a negative rapid flu test.

A simpler way to say that is we are currently rationing public tests because we don’t have enough capacity.

Congress is now providing more funding specifically for these issues and commercial labs are reportedly innovating rapidly, but this is essentially a race against time and increasing our testing capacity within the next ten days is absolutely critical. It’s also possible that the window of opportunity for containment - at least in some regions - is now closed and we’re going to have to rely heavily on social distancing to slow the rate of infection.

You should also know that in the process of piecing this together I had many, many conversations with state and local health officials and every single one of them was on the same page, knew exactly what the bottlenecks were, and were working the problem. These folks get it, and they’re working around the clock for us.

More updates soon,

Sen. Jeff Jackson

[baseline bum]

Bro? No way we could be related, I'm way under 200 lbs, fit, highly educated, I speak several languages, I know my geography and history.

Yep, I'll cope with good food and wine. Go cope with your Chipotle, Mc donald, Subway and other chain restaurants with your other obese bros telling yourselves that there is no need to be cautions about the coronavirus. I never understood people who don't want to take measures to avoid disasters. I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US and that the numbers are real but with only 26 tests per million people so one of the lowest in the world it is hard to have a real picture of what's happening in your country.

Sadly in the US the exponent in our exponential growth of deaths (specificially a in the term e^(ax)) is actually tracking higher than Italy's is. At least Seattle is right on track for an Italy level disaster and I can't believe there hasn't been a quarantine of the city yet.

[Genovaswitness]

You’re seriously the next level of stupid to try and lean on the lowest level of infection as some legitimate statistical measure considering testing is non existent. You just don’t get it.

With this logic as long as you’ve never been tested for an STD you shouldn’t wear a condom. Because not being tested is as good as being clean.

It’s hard to believe just how incredibly stupid you are.


Are you that stupid? if you don’t test people, for sure you won’t find them infected. Man, You are the perfect example of the Dump supporter.

https://www.google.fr/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487562-johns-hopkins-professor-estimates-at-least-50000-people-have-coronavirus-in%3famp

yes, when this is over I’ll travel to other european countries while your exotic weekends will be Tulsa, Fayetteville and other middle of nowhere towns.


But but but... lowest infection rate.


From North Carolina

As of March 14 at 8:00 a.m., the state of North Carolina has a total of 680 public (i.e., non-commercial) coronavirus test kits.

So the big question is, “Why don’t we have more tests?”

Here’s the situation:

First, there’s a difference between “test kits” and “extraction kits.”

Extraction kits = extract RNA (genetic material) from nasal swabs.

Test kits = test RNA to see if it’s coronavirus.

We started with a national shortage of test kits. That happened because the CDC - after rejecting the WHO kits and deciding to make their own - had a manufacturing error that allowed their test kit to produce false positives. So they had to start over several weeks in.

To make matters worse, while the CDC was fixing their manufacturing error there were many other labs across the country (academic and commercial labs) that wanted to produce their own test kits. But they needed federal approval to move forward, and getting that approval took a couple weeks - a serious amount of time, given the prospect of exponential viral spread.

It appears we are now seeing the production of test kits ramp up from both the CDC and commercial labs like LabCorp (which happens to be headquartered here in North Carolina).

BUT that leads us to our second problem, and the current major bottleneck: extraction kits.

Before you can test the RNA sample from the nasal swab, you have to extract it. Doing so requires a specific chemical. The majority of this specific chemical (called a reagent) is produced by one company with production facilities in Germany and Spain.

And now that specific chemical is in very high demand. The whole world wants it.

A few weeks ago, the FDA started allowing independent labs to develop alternate chemical processes for RNA extraction. It’s unclear how much progress has been made.

So, looking now at the big picture, we basically have a two-track testing system: public testing, which involves our main state lab in NC using the re-manufactured CDC test kits (and in NC, we currently have 680 test kits) and then there’s commercial testing.

Regarding commercial testing, we really don’t know how much is happening. The commercial labs aren’t required to disclose test results unless they’re positive. In North Carolina, we have LabCorp conducting commercial tests. In Charlotte, we also have our two major hospital systems - Atrium and Novant - now saying that they are going to provide “screening.” It’s unclear whether they are simply collecting swabs and sending them to LabCorp (where they may face the same extraction kit bottleneck) or whether they’ve developed in-house capacity to actually produce their own test results.

But it’s important to note that BOTH public and commercial testing appear to be hitting a bottleneck when it comes to extraction.

As a result, we are not screening nearly enough people.

Ideally, anyone who displays flu-like symptoms would be eligible for a public test, free of charge. That’s how we would address this like South Korea and provide for wide-scale testing on the order of tens of thousands per day.

But - due to the shortage - that’s not the case. Instead, the CDC guidelines (which NC is currently following) currently state that you have to 1) display flu-like symptoms AND have had direct contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case OR, 2) you have to display flu-like symptoms AND lower respiratory symptoms (cough, shortness of breath) AND a negative rapid flu test.

A simpler way to say that is we are currently rationing public tests because we don’t have enough capacity.

Congress is now providing more funding specifically for these issues and commercial labs are reportedly innovating rapidly, but this is essentially a race against time and increasing our testing capacity within the next ten days is absolutely critical. It’s also possible that the window of opportunity for containment - at least in some regions - is now closed and we’re going to have to rely heavily on social distancing to slow the rate of infection.

You should also know that in the process of piecing this together I had many, many conversations with state and local health officials and every single one of them was on the same page, knew exactly what the bottlenecks were, and were working the problem. These folks get it, and they’re working around the clock for us.

More updates soon,

Sen. Jeff Jackson


Sadly in the US the exponent in our exponential growth of deaths (specificially a in the term e^(ax)) is actually tracking higher than Italy's is. At least Seattle is right on track for an Italy level disaster and I can't believe there hasn't been a quarantine of the city yet.

a week later we’re still at 50 deaths. Whip out the calculator and keep wishing for millions of American deaths you psychopaths.

europeans can quarantine and not work for a month because they’re used to being reliant on state welfare. don’t worry frenchfred, my passport will get some run once this media driven hysteria blows over :toast

[Frenchfred]

Sadly in the US the exponent in our exponential growth of deaths (specificially a in the term e^(ax)) is actually tracking higher than Italy's is. At least Seattle is right on track for an Italy level disaster and I can't believe there hasn't been a quarantine of the city yet.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Exponential growth is something hard to understand for the average person.

[Frenchfred]

a week later we’re still at 50 deaths. Whip out the calculator and keep wishing for millions of American deaths you psychopaths.

europeans can quarantine and not work for a month because they’re used to being reliant on state welfare. don’t worry frenchfred, my passport will get some run once this media driven hysteria blows over :toast

yes, you know more than doctors at John Hopkins hospital, like I said, you are just like Dump; facts don't apply to you.

Here is what I said before: " I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US" but call me psychopath if you want; I'm not the one being careless right now. Just like your idol Dump who ate food while consoling shooting victims.