Popovich rips Trump over coronavirus response

[Play Boban]

How about unliberating your asshole first.
y so triggered ?

[Play Boban]

td;dr version --- Trumpers' feelings don't care about facts
Feelings don’t care about your facts.

[stepmonkey]

As bad as Trump has bungled this, it could be worse: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-52367849/coronavirus-advice-ignored-by-brazil-s-president-jair-bolsonaro

Any Brazilians on this board want to comment on Bolsonaro?

[Frenchfred]

Feelings don’t care about your facts.

Trumpsters don't care about facts, they live in their own reality. There is a reason the entire world thinks that their are idiots, they fulfill all the cliches.

[Dirks_Finale]

File this under "Everything Trump Touches Dies:"

(CNN) Coronavirus patients taking hydroxychloroquine, a treatment touted by President Trump, were no less likely to need mechanical ventilation and had higher deaths rates compared to those who did not take the drug, according to a study of hundreds of patients at US Veterans Health Administration medical centers.

The study, which reviewed veterans' medical charts, was posted Tuesday on medrxiv.org, a pre-print server, meaning it was not peer reviewed or published in a medical journal. The research was funded by the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia. In the study of 368 patients, 97 patients who took hydroxychloroquine had a 27.8% death rate. The 158 patients who did not take the drug had an 11.4% death rate.
"An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs," wrote the authors, who work at the Columbia VA Health Care System in South Carolina, the University of South Carolina and the University of Virginia.

Researchers also looked at whether taking hydroxychloroquine or a combination of hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin, had an effect on whether a patient needed to go on a ventilator.

"In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19," the authors wrote.
There are currently no products approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat Covid-19, although research is underway on many drugs.
Hydroxychloroquine has been used for decades to treat patients with diseases such as malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

Trump has touted the drug as a "game changer" for Covid-19 and said hydroxychloroquine shows "tremendous promise."

Stopped reading at "(CNN)"

[spurrunner]

Stopped reading at "(CNN)"
CNN may be a shitty news organization, but it doesn't make the study less relevant.

[hombre]

Stopped reading at "(CNN)"

http://www.foxnews.com/science/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-showed-no-benefit-more-deaths-va-virus-study

[Play Boban]

Trumpsters don't care about facts, they live in their own reality. There is a reason the entire world thinks that their are idiots, they fulfill all the cliches.
If you’re going to insult hundreds of millions of patriots, spell right. :sleep

[Play Boban]

Stopped reading at "(CNN)"
The enemy of the people

[BackHome]

Lol

[BacktoBasics]

The enemy of the people
Actually I consider people like you to be more of an enemy. Any one with an ounce of common intelligence knows that truth and reality typically resides some place in the middle. CNN isn’t any better than fox and you’re no better than a full blown liberal.

Nothing gets accomplished or solved when you sit firmly down a political line. The shit storm we’re in now is rooted in political parties inability to work together. It’s shortsighted and nothing exemplifies that more than selling out far to one extreme.

They way some of you act as if Trump is infallible and the whole world is out to get him sounds an awful lot like an immature 14 year old. Even more so some of you sound no better than Kim Jong Un supporters.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually I consider people like you to be more of an enemy. Any one with an ounce of common intelligence knows that truth and reality typically resides some place in the middle. CNN isn’t any better than fox and you’re no better than a full blown liberal.

Nothing gets accomplished or solved when you sit firmly down a political line. The shit storm we’re in now is rooted in political parties inability to work together. It’s shortsighted and nothing exemplifies that more than selling out far to one extreme.

They way some of you act as if Trump is infallible and the whole world is out to get him sounds an awful lot like an immature 14 year old. Even more so some of you sound no better than Kim Jong Un supporters.That dude is probably some other poster using a sock puppet to troll.

You know, because this is such a funny situation....

[Frenchfred]

The enemy of the people

By people, you mean, the ones watching fauxnews, a news channel that had to switch to entertainment channel in the UK after lying too many times? Those people? They are probably the most misinformed people on the planet together with the ones living in dictatorships

[Frenchfred]

If you’re going to insult hundreds of millions of patriots, spell right. :sleep

that’s how the world see those people, not my fault that they seem to do everything in their power to appear like morons? The « patriots » ��

[spurs1990]

Trump posted the combined videos of Texas rep Crenshaw which has some interesting points that moderates should listen to, as well as conservatives who have soured on Trump's handling of Covid.

My biggest gripe with Trump was his downplaying of Covid's potential spread after those initial 5-15 cases I think in February or so. Granted those comments were at this rallies so it was theatre but it still is hugely poor optically in hindsight.

Aside from that I can't envision a scenario where US government intervention - Federal, state or local, could have stopped Covid from entering the country.

I do think it would have been foolish to implement the current quarantine in February essentially burying the economy in preparation for a spread. I also think no way you could have convinced all 50 governors and a host of big cities mayors to enforce stay-at-home with a handful of infections and no deaths tallied yet.

Moderates, conservatives - I think you guys should give Donald some leeway on Jan-Feb timeline. This Crenshaw video outlines even the Anti-Trump power centers not recognizing what Covid could do.

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[ChumpDumper]

Trump posted the combined videos of Texas rep Crenshaw which has some interesting points that moderates should listen to, as well as conservatives who have soured on Trump's handling of Covid.

My biggest gripe with Trump was his downplaying of Covid's potential spread after those initial 5-15 cases I think in February or so. Granted those comments were at this rallies so it was theatre but it still is hugely poor optically in hindsight.

Aside from that I can't envision a scenario where US government intervention - Federal, state or local, could have stopped Covid from entering the country.

I do think it would have been foolish to implement the current quarantine in February essentially burying the economy in preparation for a spread. I also think no way you could have convinced all 50 governors and a host of big cities mayors to enforce stay-at-home with a handful of infections and no deaths tallied yet.

Moderates, conservatives - I think you guys should give Donald some leeway on Jan-Feb timeline. This Crenshaw video outlines even the Anti-Trump power centers not recognizing what Covid could do.

1252046878314770432True, any action before thousands were infected would've required a level of leadership that Trump just doesn't have.

[BacktoBasics]

Trump posted the combined videos of Texas rep Crenshaw which has some interesting points that moderates should listen to, as well as conservatives who have soured on Trump's handling of Covid.

My biggest gripe with Trump was his downplaying of Covid's potential spread after those initial 5-15 cases I think in February or so. Granted those comments were at this rallies so it was theatre but it still is hugely poor optically in hindsight.

Aside from that I can't envision a scenario where US government intervention - Federal, state or local, could have stopped Covid from entering the country.

I do think it would have been foolish to implement the current quarantine in February essentially burying the economy in preparation for a spread. I also think no way you could have convinced all 50 governors and a host of big cities mayors to enforce stay-at-home with a handful of infections and no deaths tallied yet.

Moderates, conservatives - I think you guys should give Donald some leeway on Jan-Feb timeline. This Crenshaw video outlines even the Anti-Trump power centers not recognizing what Covid could do.

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I’m a bit opposite of this. He was slow for sure but I think it would only marginally change things had he been a week or two quicker. We weren’t ever going to have a hard lockdown and that’s the only thing that would have drastically changed things early on.

His grandstanding about ratings and demanding appreciation while playing favorites and deflecting responsibility has made things go from bad to worse.

[BackHome]

People are putting way to much in getting a Vaccine in the next 18 months I am starting to doubt that will happen. So I guess what happens if we don’t have a vaccine in the next three years?

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Derp.

[daslicer]

People are putting way to much in getting a Vaccine in the next 18 months I am starting to doubt that will happen. So I guess what happens if we don’t have a vaccine in the next three years?

Chaos that's what will happen.

[slick'81]

People are putting way to much in getting a Vaccine in the next 18 months I am starting to doubt that will happen. So I guess what happens if we don’t have a vaccine in the next three years?


More deaths

[exstatic]

Trump posted the combined videos of Texas rep Crenshaw which has some interesting points that moderates should listen to, as well as conservatives who have soured on Trump's handling of Covid.

My biggest gripe with Trump was his downplaying of Covid's potential spread after those initial 5-15 cases I think in February or so. Granted those comments were at this rallies so it was theatre but it still is hugely poor optically in hindsight.

Aside from that I can't envision a scenario where US government intervention - Federal, state or local, could have stopped Covid from entering the country.

I do think it would have been foolish to implement the current quarantine in February essentially burying the economy in preparation for a spread. I also think no way you could have convinced all 50 governors and a host of big cities mayors to enforce stay-at-home with a handful of infections and no deaths tallied yet.

Moderates, conservatives - I think you guys should give Donald some leeway on Jan-Feb timeline. This Crenshaw video outlines even the Anti-Trump power centers not recognizing what Covid could do.

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S Korea and the US had the same date for their first confirmed case of covid19. They did widespread testing, contact tracing, and stay at home. We still don't have widespread testing or contact tracing. Compare the numbers. It shows what could have been, here.

[Play Boban]

If Hillary were president there would be millions more deaths. Trump has truly saved us.

[baseline bum]

S Korea and the US had the same date for their first confirmed case of covid19. They did widespread testing, contact tracing, and stay at home. We still don't have widespread testing or contact tracing. Compare the numbers. It shows what could have been, here.

And we're not going to unless you live in a state with a competent government like California. But let's open the country up without any mitigation strategy and end up like Belgium.

[BackHome]

Did you just say California has a competent government? Please tell me that is a typo....

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If Hillary were president there would be millions more deaths. Trump has truly saved us.

The fuck are you even talking about. You sound batshit fucking crazy.

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Did you just say California has a competent government? Please tell me that is a typo....

We will have done 27 million tests by the end of March -- Trump.

Less than 6 million have been done. Guess what MAGAt, it's almost the end of April.

And yes California's govt saved lives. They understood the potentiall and the Gov initiated lockdowns before anybody else. But carry on with your ass talking for you.

[stepmonkey]

If Hillary were president there would be millions more deaths. Trump has truly saved us.

You forgot the blue font.

[hombre]

"It’s a very strong, powerful medicine, but it doesn’t kill people."
- Trump

"We have purchased and we have stockpiled 29 million pills of the hydroxychloroquine, 29 million.
- Trump

Yesterday, Trump demoted his Director of the Department of Health and Human Services overseeing the COVID19 vaccine production after he questioned the wisdom of Trump's promotion of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19 patients.

The VA study just released shows that COVID19 patients taking hydroxychloroquine experience double the death rate vs. patients who do not receive the drug.

There's your campaign ad.

[BacktoBasics]

Did you just say California has a competent government? Please tell me that is a typo....

I understand politics will never allow you to say anything positive about California but their response was within a reasonable timeframe and as of now it looks like it was the right level of lockdown to avoid a NYC scenario. Additionally the people in those areas did a good job following the guidelines and stuck with it... and it made a difference.

[BacktoBasics]

"It’s a very strong, powerful medicine, but it doesn’t kill people."
- Trump

"We have purchased and we have stockpiled 29 million pills of the hydroxychloroquine, 29 million.
- Trump

Yesterday, Trump demoted his Director of the Department of Health and Human Services overseeing the COVID19 vaccine production after he questioned the wisdom of Trump's promotion of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19 patients.

The VA study just released shows that COVID19 patients taking hydroxychloroquine experience double the death rate vs. patients who do not receive the drug.

There's your campaign ad.
Hard to say and other studies showed good results. More studying needs to be done. It’s possible they administered the drug as a last resort to some that were too far gone. I’d like to compare this sample size to other studies.

[gambit1990]

didn't he say the cases would go down to 0 soon? :lmao:lmao

[baseline bum]

Did you just say California has a competent government? Please tell me that is a typo....

Trumptards throwing stones :lmao

[baseline bum]

didn't he say the cases would go down to 0 soon? :lmao:lmao

One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear.

[BackHome]

I understand politics will never allow you to say anything positive about California but their response was within a reasonable timeframe and as of now it looks like it was the right level of lockdown to avoid a NYC scenario. Additionally the people in those areas did a good job following the guidelines and stuck with it... and it made a difference.

Oh I agree he is one of the better Governor who decided to lead instead of looking for someone else to tell him what to do. That’s what good leaders do they take the bull by the horns and get er done with regards to the virus. My comment was in General that Cali is a well run state which it is not; terrible schools, Pensions are going to be worthless, mass exodus leaving due to higher crime and taxes.

[BacktoBasics]

Oh I agree he is one of the better Governor who decided to lead instead of looking for someone else to tell him what to do. That’s what good leaders do they take the bull by the horns and get er done with regards to the virus. My comment was in General that Cali is a well run state which it is not; terrible schools, Pensions are going to be worthless, mass exodus leaving due to higher crime and taxes.So is it too much to expect that you look at the context of his post. Clearly his comment was directed to the pandemic response and not referencing Cal as a whole.

They did respond competently.

[daslicer]

didn't he say the cases would go down to 0 soon? :lmao:lmao

Trump "I said the case would go down to zero but I didn't say specifically when it would go down to 0. We have great relief effort and we are in the process of getting it down to 0."

[hombre]

Hard to say and other studies showed good results. More studying needs to be done. It’s possible they administered the drug as a last resort to some that were too far gone. I’d like to compare this sample size to other studies.

What? Sorry to inform you that was all based on one faulty study, they talked it up it on Fox News, next day Trump starts telling people he'd like them to take it. Then he buys millions of dollars worth with our tax money. Somebody made some money.

Just now Dr. Trump suggested that maybe we should start inject disinfectant to get rid of COVID19, check it -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/trump-wonders-if-injecting-disinfectant-into-someones-body-could-kill-virus/vi-BB136VXO?fbclid=IwAR3gQl1Fy_mh1AP3IO15FCPDezaCw0yZ 2JasqN-zBPcZSazJeOIWEyGt_a0 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/trump-wonders-if-injecting-disinfectant-into-someones-body-could-kill-virus/vi-BB136VXO?fbclid=IwAR3gQl1Fy_mh1AP3IO15FCPDezaCw0yZ 2JasqN-zBPcZSazJeOIWEyGt_a0)

[hombre]

Trump "I said the case would go down to zero but I didn't say specifically when it would go down to 0. We have great relief effort and we are in the process of getting it down to 0."

Trump, Feb. 26, 2020 - “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

[BacktoBasics]

What? Sorry to inform you that was all based on one faulty study, they talked it up it on Fox News, next day Trump starts telling people he'd like them to take it. Then he buys millions of dollars worth with our tax money. Somebody made some money.

Just now Dr. Trump suggested that maybe we should start inject disinfectant to get rid of COVID19, check it -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/trump-wonders-if-injecting-disinfectant-into-someones-body-could-kill-virus/vi-BB136VXO?fbclid=IwAR3gQl1Fy_mh1AP3IO15FCPDezaCw0yZ 2JasqN-zBPcZSazJeOIWEyGt_a0 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/trump-wonders-if-injecting-disinfectant-into-someones-body-could-kill-virus/vi-BB136VXO?fbclid=IwAR3gQl1Fy_mh1AP3IO15FCPDezaCw0yZ 2JasqN-zBPcZSazJeOIWEyGt_a0)
I watched a few minutes of his briefing. Dudes got the imagination of an 8 year old on the spectrum.

[Spurs Homer]

Any stupid brainwashed trump cultists apologize yet?

Fucking treasonous idiots.

[Dirks_Finale]

What? Sorry to inform you that was all based on one faulty study, they talked it up it on Fox News, next day Trump starts telling people he'd like them to take it. Then he buys millions of dollars worth with our tax money. Somebody made some money.

Just now Dr. Trump suggested that maybe we should start inject disinfectant to get rid of COVID19, check it -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/trump-wonders-if-injecting-disinfectant-into-someones-body-could-kill-virus/vi-BB136VXO?fbclid=IwAR3gQl1Fy_mh1AP3IO15FCPDezaCw0yZ 2JasqN-zBPcZSazJeOIWEyGt_a0 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/trump-wonders-if-injecting-disinfectant-into-someones-body-could-kill-virus/vi-BB136VXO?fbclid=IwAR3gQl1Fy_mh1AP3IO15FCPDezaCw0yZ 2JasqN-zBPcZSazJeOIWEyGt_a0)

There have been several other studies indicating the drug has promise. So who really knows how effective it is at this stage.

The problems with the drug are multifaceted. My wife takes it for a non Covid condition. She has to see specialists to ensure its not effecting her heart or making her go blind. So when Trump says its powerful...he is right, but wrong when he claims its safe. It can be safe, but some can not tolerate it.

The other issue is the dumbing down of the immune system. Some patients are susceptible to these "Cytokine storms". Where their immune system goes bat shit crazy and kills tissue and ultimately the host. But others are not. So in their case giving them the drug might hinder their immune system's ability to fight the infection. And we have no way to know who is a good candidate for the drug. It's pissing in the wind.

None of that changes the fact that CNN is a disgusting pile of lying garbage and deserves all the negative Karma that comes their way.

[Spurs Homer]

Hey cultists

dear leader says you should inject some disinfectant- thru the skin and you will live forever!


chop-chop


git on it cult tards!

[gambit1990]

i watch trump's Q&A session almost every briefing. they are typically insane. today's was... worse then ever.

[daslicer]

i watch trump's Q&A session almost every briefing. they are typically insane. today's was... worse then ever.

Haven't bother to watch his briefings of late. What crazy shit did he say today?

[gambit1990]

it's honestly scary that 30% of america is so ignorant that they still support trump.

even besides the disinfectant part... he asked the doctors if light or heat could help get corona off people's skin. just absolutely... mind numbing.

he didn't even ask one time. he asked if it would help / if they've tested that / that they should look into that / that it sounds interesting. absolutely crazy.

[gambit1990]

Haven't bother to watch his briefings of late. What crazy shit did he say today?
just some of what he said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE

[daslicer]

it's honestly scary that 30% of america is so ignorant that they still support trump.

even besides the disinfectant part... he asked the doctors if light or heat could help get corona off people's skin. just absolutely... mind numbing.

he didn't even ask one time. he asked if it would help / if they've tested that / that they should look into that / that it sounds interesting. absolutely crazy.

Correction I would say it's unfortunately 40 percent. He has a cult following that's going to support him no matter what. Trump could say tomorrow that eating feces can cure Covid-19 and his approval would stay at 40. His followers remind me of Kobe fanboys, Lebron fanboys.

[hombre]

Brian Harrison, a former Labradoodle breeder was tapped to lead U.S. pandemic task force. He was promoted to this role after running a dog-breeding business for six years. Five sources say some officials in the White House derisively called him “the dog breeder.”

"I’ll choose the best people for my administration." Trump

[Leetonidas]

just some of what he said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE

:lmao :lmao every time I think he couldn't possibly say something even more retarded he proves me wrong. Bravo president dipshit

[Play Boban]

didn't he say the cases would go down to 0 soon? :lmao:lmao
It would be if it weren’t for Crazy Nancy’s meddling tbh.

[ducks]

Sean Hannity
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In retrospect every democrat & everyone in the media mob needs to be asked if .
realDonaldTrump
‘s travel ban 10 days after the first known case of coronavirus in the USA was the right decision or racist & xenophobic. And did POTUS’s medical mobilization save American lives?

[hombre]

http://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-snowballing-china-travel-claim/

[Frenchfred]

http://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-snowballing-china-travel-claim/

boom

[exstatic]

Correction I would say it's unfortunately 40 percent. He has a cult following that's going to support him no matter what. Trump could say tomorrow that eating feces can cure Covid-19 and his approval would stay at 40. His followers remind me of Kobe fanboys, Lebron fanboys.

I think some are falling away from the cult, not massive amounts, but then again, he won the election by 100,000 votes in 3 key states (MI, WI, PA). Wouldn't take much to collapse that house of cards.

There's a retired military officer (base stickers on his cars) that lives about a block away from me, and depending which way I go to leave my subdivision, I pass his house. Since 2015, and all the way through the impeachment process, he's had a Trump sign on his lawn. It's no longer there, after basically 5 years. It's really not hard to see Trump mentally falling apart on TV each and every day. Trump loves to be on TV, but this is a worst case scenario for him. He doesn't get to talk about what he wants. Everything is focused on the pandemic, something he is completely out of his depth with. Consume aquarium cleaner! Inject disinfectant! Some people are starting to wake up and see him for what he is: an ignorant fuck who only knows how to lie and cheat to advance his own interests.

[baseline bum]

just some of what he said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE

Dr Birx says it all here

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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

^ Not sure whether she's distraught by what she's hearing or fighting a laughing burst.

[baseline bum]

^ Not sure whether she's distraught by what she's hearing or fighting a laughing burst.

She knows our Dear Leader is going to kill a lot more people than the 50,000 he already has.

[stepmonkey]

Any Trump fans want to answer a question for me? Do you think it is a sane, intelligent question to ask if injecting bleach or isopropyl alcohol into humans would be a good treatment for Covid-19? Yes or no?

And don't deflect with "He stopped planes coming in from China and saved billions of lives. That was the correct decision. So he's what? 1 for 50? 1 for 100? Even a fat, misogynistic, racist, lying, narcissistic, sociopathic squirrel finds a nut now and then.

[Arcadian]

Why is this thread still a thing? I don't want to see this shit when I log into a Spurs forum.

[baseline bum]

Why is this thread still a thing? I don't want to see this shit when I log into a Spurs forum.

Then go click another thread, sweetheart

[SpurSpike]

Any Trump fans want to answer a question for me? Do you think it is a sane, intelligent question to ask if injecting bleach or isopropyl alcohol into humans would be a good treatment for Covid-19? Yes or no?

And don't deflect with "He stopped planes coming in from China and saved billions of lives. That was the correct decision. So he's what? 1 for 50? 1 for 100? Even a fat, misogynistic, racist, lying, narcissistic, sociopathic squirrel finds a nut now and then.

They way i took the quote is that he was saying that disinfectants kills the virus quickly and it would be nice if we could get something like that for the human body that also kills it quickly.

But the Anti Trump media gotta sensationalize things and brain wash people into thinking he literally wants to inject disinfectant into people which is absurd.

Think for yourself people.

[baseline bum]

They way i took the quote is that he was saying that disinfectants kills the virus quickly and it would be nice if we could get something like that for the human body that also kills it quickly.

But the Anti Trump media gotta sensationalize things and brain wash people into thinking he literally wants to inject disinfectant into people which is absurd.

Think for yourself people.

Dr Birx thought it was a great idea amirite?

[baseline bum]

All credits to midnightpulp


https://i.imgur.com/tMoebNI.jpg

[SpurSpike]

I find the Blind hate for Trump quite funny tbh.

People grasp on the tiniest of things and take them out of context and repeat what they hear on social media and post meme's for attention rather than use their own brains magnificent processing power.

[baseline bum]

I find the Blind hate for Trump quite funny tbh.

People grasp on the tiniest of things and take them out of context and repeat what they hear on social media and post meme's for attention rather than use their own brains magnificent processing power.

Did Dr Birx take it out of context? God the 30% have worms in their brains. And LOL calling it blind hate. He's earned every bit of hate he gets.

[ChumpDumper]

I find the Blind hate for Trump quite funny tbh.

People grasp on the tiniest of things and take them out of context and repeat what they hear on social media and post meme's for attention rather than use their own brains magnificent processing power.

I hate him because his failure led to the deaths of thousands of Americans and the destruction of "his" economy. It didn't have to be this way and a lot of it is his fault.

[baseline bum]

I hate him because his failure led to the deaths of thousands of Americans and the destruction of "his" economy. It didn't have to be this way and a lot of it is his fault.

Tens of thousands.... so far

[baseline bum]

But he takes no responsibility

[Frenchfred]

They way i took the quote is that he was saying that disinfectants kills the virus quickly and it would be nice if we could get something like that for the human body that also kills it quickly.

But the Anti Trump media gotta sensationalize things and brain wash people into thinking he literally wants to inject disinfectant into people which is absurd.

Think for yourself people.

So you think that it is a good idea to go public and suggest it? He is the president during a press conference, not at a BBQ. Sorry, but some people are stupid enough to try especially how blind trump's supporters are

[exstatic]

So you think that it is a good idea to go public and suggest it? He is the president during a press conference, not at a BBQ. Sorry, but some people are stupid enough to try especially how blind trump's supporters are

Someone will die from trying this. That's just the way the TrumpTards roll.

[baseline bum]

Someone will die from trying this. That's just the way the TrumpTards roll.

Lysol having to come out and tell people not to drink nor inject their product. :lol

[baseline bum]

I find the Blind hate for Trump quite funny tbh.

People grasp on the tiniest of things and take them out of context and repeat what they hear on social media and post meme's for attention rather than use their own brains magnificent processing power.

Well so much for that line of bullshit :lmao

[SpurSpike]

Lysol having to come out and tell people not to drink nor inject their product. :lol

A person is smart but people are fucking STUPID.

Of course it makes sense when the MEDIA is saying that the president suggested that a "direct injection of disinfectant will be a cure" that Lysol will cover their ass. That's more a problem with the media though IMO and they would be the ones responsible for any deaths caused by Lysol injection because they are the ones spreading the false information.

Trump did not say to inject disinfectant, its the liberal media that has made you think that's what he said. What he said is the equivalent to wishing for a cure buts its been spun into inject yourself with Lysol lol.

I mean a poster on the last page has the clip of exactly what he said, go watch it. Do you honestly take that as go inject yourself with disinfectant? Any sane person can see that he is trying to provide hope for a cure that works in the human body as effective as disinfectant is to the virus on the skin.

Honestly if anyone dies because they injected themselves with Lysol, they deserve it.

[ChumpDumper]

Any sane person can see that he is trying to provide hope for a cure that works in the human body as effective as disinfectant is to the virus on the skin.Nope, he said he was just being sarcastic to the MEDIA.

:lol

[baseline bum]

A person is smart but people are fucking STUPID.

Of course it makes sense when the MEDIA is saying that the president suggested that a "direct injection of disinfectant will be a cure" that Lysol will cover their ass. That's more a problem with the media though IMO and they would be the ones responsible for any deaths caused by Lysol injection because they are the ones spreading the false information.

Trump did not say to inject disinfectant, its the liberal media that has made you think that's what he said. What he said is the equivalent to wishing for a cure buts its been spun into inject yourself with Lysol lol.

I mean a poster on the last page has the clip of exactly what he said, go watch it. Do you honestly take that as go inject yourself with disinfectant? Any sane person can see that he is trying to provide hope for a cure that works in the human body as effective as disinfectant is to the virus on the skin.

Honestly if anyone dies because they injected themselves with Lysol, they deserve it.

Trump already said he was doing it for the lulz. 51,139 fucking people dead and Trump wants to troll. Some fucking president you want to fall on your sword for.

[Dirks_Finale]

He didn't suggest it but he insinuated it could be a possible cure lol. Now he is backtracking say it was a sarcastic question


A person is smart but people are fucking STUPID.

Of course it makes sense when the MEDIA is saying that the president suggested that a "direct injection of disinfectant will be a cure" that Lysol will cover their ass. That's more a problem with the media though IMO and they would be the ones responsible for any deaths caused by Lysol injection because they are the ones spreading the false information.

Trump did not say to inject disinfectant, its the liberal media that has made you think that's what he said. What he said is the equivalent to wishing for a cure buts its been spun into inject yourself with Lysol lol.

I mean a poster on the last page has the clip of exactly what he said, go watch it. Do you honestly take that as go inject yourself with disinfectant? Any sane person can see that he is trying to provide hope for a cure that works in the human body as effective as disinfectant is to the virus on the skin.

Honestly if anyone dies because they injected themselves with Lysol, they deserve it.

[baseline bum]

Nope, he said he was just being sarcastic to the MEDIA.

:lol

What's our Dear Leader going to do for the LOLz when the death count hits 100,000?

[BackHome]

I hate him because his failure led to the deaths of thousands of Americans and the destruction of "his" economy. It didn't have to be this way and a lot of it is his fault..

Today was a good day made money off stocks everything was up - Sale on the Rips buy on the Dips - Scarred money makes no Money :toast

[dbestpro]

If everyone would pause for a second and realize that this all could have been over in two weeks. All everyone had to do was stay home for two weeks and if anyone was infected then everyone in that home would have to stay home for two more weeks. Yes, people who depend on others would die but so would have the virus.
But people today are not capable of making hard decisions like this nor are people willing to follow the hard decisions when they are made. This more than any other reason is why more people will die than needed. No president, no congress, no governor, no republican no democrat, can change that.

The problem is not them, it is us as there is no them and there is only us.

[ChumpDumper]

.

Today was a good day made money off stocks everything was up - Sale on the Rips buy on the Dips - Scarred money makes no Money :toast

Thank God Trump helped kill all those people for your portfolio.

[stepmonkey]

I find the Blind hate for Trump quite funny tbh.

People grasp on the tiniest of things and take them out of context and repeat what they hear on social media and post meme's for attention rather than use their own brains magnificent processing power.

I do hate Trump. Not because of the media, but because of his own words on video and Twitter. He said something monumentally stupid and now he's trying to lie his way out of it as usual. "I was being sarcastic." Watch the video and tell me he was being sarcastic.

I don't understand the Blind support for this idiot. He is such an obvious lying, conniving con man that it is beyond me that people can't (or won't) see it.

[BacktoBasics]

Here’s the quote


He added, “And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you could do either through the skin or in some other way. I think you said that you are going to test that, too. And then I saw the disinfectant, where knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. As you see it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”

I guess you can split hairs and say he didn’t directly say it. But he was clearly stating “something like that”. It’s too vague and it leads in a bad direction. At the very least this guy shouldn’t be sharing his musings out loud. But he just has to talk... has to try and sell something that might make him look good. Only it typically has the opposite effect.

[gambit1990]

they didn't take any questions today :lmao

yesterday was a huge fück up, even for trump.

[baseline bum]

If everyone would pause for a second and realize that this all could have been over in two weeks. All everyone had to do was stay home for two weeks and if anyone was infected then everyone in that home would have to stay home for two more weeks. Yes, people who depend on others would die but so would have the virus.
But people today are not capable of making hard decisions like this nor are people willing to follow the hard decisions when they are made. This more than any other reason is why more people will die than needed. No president, no congress, no governor, no republican no democrat, can change that.

The problem is not them, it is us as there is no them and there is only us.

Or we could have just ramped up testing and contact tracing like South Korea.

[baseline bum]

I don't understand the Blind support for this idiot. He is such an obvious lying, conniving con man that it is beyond me that people can't (or won't) see it.

I do: Trump's a Republican and Democrats are worse than Putin, worse than COVID, worse than Kim Jong Un, etc.

[pad300]

Democrats are worse than Putin, worse than COVID, worse than Kim Jong Un, etc.

That's actually a fairly accurate argument, and the reason a lot of people did vote for Trump. Much of the left is in denial about this, but your delusions are your problem.

It's very likely the same voting will happen again in 2020...

[baseline bum]

That's actually a fairly accurate argument, and the reason a lot of people did vote for Trump. Much of the left is in denial about this, but your delusions are your problem.

It's very likely the same voting will happen again in 2020...

Exactly, the Democrats are worse than the modern day Hitler in North Korea to Republicans. This is the kind of retardation coming out of the 30%.

[stepmonkey]

I do: Trump's a Republican and Democrats are worse than Putin, worse than COVID, worse than Kim Jong Un, etc.

I get that. I know why people voted for him and why they will vote for him again. Plenty of people think the worst Republican is a better choice than the best Democrat. My parents think they would die if they actually voted for a Dem. What I don't understand are people like my immediate family. They laughed at him and didn't vote for him in the 2016 Republican primary. They thought he was a joke. Now they look at him as infallible. I get arguments when I bring up any thing he does wrong. It is like some kind of Trump Mania. How anybody can vote for him without holding their nose and realizing what kind of scum they are supporting is what I don't get.

[daslicer]

I get that. I know why people voted for him and why they will vote for him again. Plenty of people think the worst Republican is a better choice than the best Democrat. My parents think they would die if they actually voted for a Dem. What I don't understand are people like my immediate family. They laughed at him and didn't vote for him in the 2016 Republican primary. They thought he was a joke. Now they look at him as infallible. I get arguments when I bring up any thing he does wrong. It is like some kind of Trump Mania. How anybody can vote for him without holding their nose and realizing what kind of scum they are supporting is what I don't get.

Did your immediate family also vote republican prior to voting for Trump?

[baseline bum]

I get that. I know why people voted for him and why they will vote for him again. Plenty of people think the worst Republican is a better choice than the best Democrat. My parents think they would die if they actually voted for a Dem. What I don't understand are people like my immediate family. They laughed at him and didn't vote for him in the 2016 Republican primary. They thought he was a joke. Now they look at him as infallible. I get arguments when I bring up any thing he does wrong. It is like some kind of Trump Mania. How anybody can vote for him without holding their nose and realizing what kind of scum they are supporting is what I don't get.

It's weird, the majority of Trump fans I know really wanted Cruz and hated Trump in the primary because Trump's a conman. But as soon as he got the nomination everyone loved Trump and they had always loved Trump. I mean I'd still vote Biden in the general but I know I'm going to hate a Biden presidency and will have nothing nice to say about him other than he's better than Trump if he wins and is inaugurated (and I'm still alive :lol) in January 2021.

[pad300]

Exactly, the Democrats are worse than the modern day Hitler in North Korea to Republicans. This is the kind of retardation coming out of the 30%.

I'd phrase that a little differently. The Democrats are a much bigger danger to the Republic, than Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, and CCP virus all put together. Some of us like a free country where we actually have constitutional rights...

[stepmonkey]

Did your immediate family also vote republican prior to voting for Trump?

Absolutely. I come from a very conservative Republican family. It doesn't bother me that they voted for Trump (and will again in November). I just don't get the unwavering loyalty to him. My extended family is very religious Southern Baptist. Yet they love this man who cheated on his wife with a porn star while his wife was pregnant and then payed hush money to keep her quiet and lies so much he wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him in the head. Thankfully, my wife and daughter see him for the asshat that he is so I'm not alone in all this.

[baseline bum]

I'd phrase that a little differently. The Democrats are a much bigger danger to the Republic, than Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, and CCP virus all put together. Some of us like a free country where we actually have constitutional rights...

LMAO the Democrats are worse than 50,000 Americans dead in a month with many more to come to the Trumptards. Just don't block the road in front of our hospitals like your fuckhead kin in Michigan did.

[gambit1990]

https://i.imgur.com/gaXPzA9.jpg

[stepmonkey]

It's weird, the majority of Trump fans I know really wanted Cruz and hated Trump in the primary because Trump's a conman. But as soon as he got the nomination everyone loved Trump and they had always loved Trump. I mean I'd still vote Biden in the general but I know I'm going to hate a Biden presidency and will have nothing nice to say about him other than he's better than Trump if he wins and is inaugurated (and I'm still alive :lol) in January 2021.

I couldn't agree with you more. I didn't vote in 2016 because I thought the choices were so bad. I realized later, even before Covid-19 entered the picture, that I had made a mistake and should have voted for Hillary over Trump. I am not a Biden fan by any means either but it is an easy choice for me to vote for him in November over another four years of this.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd phrase that a little differently. The Democrats are a much bigger danger to the Republic, than Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, and CCP virus all put together. Some of us like a free country where we actually have constitutional rights...:lmao

[baseline bum]

I couldn't agree with you more. I didn't vote in 2016 because I thought the choices were so bad. I realized later, even before Covid-19 entered the picture, that I had made a mistake and should have voted for Hillary over Trump. I am not a Biden fan by any means either but it is an easy choice for me to vote for him in November over another four years of this.

I hate Hillary Clinton, but she wasn't wrong about some of Trump's base being deplorables when you have them saying the Democrats are worse than a virus that has already killed 50,000 Americans with lots of room to kill many many more of us.

[baseline bum]

:lmao

Remember when it was 9/11 every day when that scary negro was president?

[ducks]

Poll Shows Big Latino Support for Trump Virus Response

[daslicer]

I couldn't agree with you more. I didn't vote in 2016 because I thought the choices were so bad. I realized later, even before Covid-19 entered the picture, that I had made a mistake and should have voted for Hillary over Trump. I am not a Biden fan by any means either but it is an easy choice for me to vote for him in November over another four years of this.

If you don’t live in a swing state I would say don’t beat yourself up about it. I didn’t like Hillary either and planned to write in Tim Duncan’s name for president. Changed my mind at the last minute knowing how close the election was going to be and also knowing my vote had huge impact since I live in a swing state. I voted for Hillary and felt like vomiting but looking back now I feel good about what I did. I don’t like Biden either but will also vote for him. Trump is just not qualified to run this country.

[baseline bum]

If you don’t live in a swing state I would say don’t beat yourself up about it. I didn’t like Hillary either and planned to write in Tim Duncan’s name for president. Changed my mind at the last minute knowing how close the election was going to be and also knowing my vote had huge impact since I live in a swing state. I voted for Hillary and felt like vomiting but looking back now I feel good about what I did. I don’t like Biden either but will also vote for him. Trump is just not qualified to run this country.

At least Biden is nowhere near as bad as Clinton. Though still very shitty.

[daslicer]

Absolutely. I come from a very conservative Republican family. It doesn't bother me that they voted for Trump (and will again in November). I just don't get the unwavering loyalty to him. My extended family is very religious Southern Baptist. Yet they love this man who cheated on his wife with a porn star while his wife was pregnant and then payed hush money to keep her quiet and lies so much he wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him in the head. Thankfully, my wife and daughter see him for the asshat that he is so I'm not alone in all this.

They are loyal to Trump because they probably feel he's helping them to preserve the church and getting them one step closer to removing separation of church from state. I have seen a lot of evangelicals give him a pass simply because they feel the Dems are more of a threat to their base.

[ChumpDumper]

Remember when it was 9/11 every day when that scary negro was president?Black President permanently broke the hamster wheels that ran 1/3 of the country's minds. Now they're blaming him for not making a vaccine for this coronavirus that didn't exist before last year.

[daslicer]

At least Biden is nowhere near as bad as Clinton. Though still very shitty.

I have always considered myself a FDR New Deal type of Dem. For me the economic issues are the big thing and not the social issues. Bernie was the guy I was going for. I voted for Bernie but obviously it didn't work out. Biden is pretty shitty I didn't feel he worked hard to win the nomination. He just rode off of Barack's coattails and a lot of people voted for him simply because of his association with Barack. He's probably the worst candidate the establishment picked to go up against Trump. It's clear he suffers from dementia.

[baseline bum]

I have always considered myself a FDR New Deal type of Dem. For me the economic issues are the big thing and not the social issues. Bernie was the guy I was going for. I voted for Bernie but obviously it didn't work out. Biden is pretty shitty I didn't feel he worked hard to win the nomination. He just rode off of Barack's coattails and a lot of people voted for him simply because of his association with Barack. He's probably the worst candidate the establishment picked to go up against Trump. It's clear he suffers from dementia.

I was going for Warren until she pulled that poor woman identity politics crap out of the Hillary Clinton playbook, probably thanks to her hiring staffers from Clinton's and Kamala Harris' campaigns. What a clusterfuck and she's still bitter and accusing Sanders of saying she couldn't win because she's a woman. After that it was Bernie all the way and he's who I cast my primary vote for. While I mostly agree with Bernie's platform and agree he's the closest candidate to the FDR the corporate Democrats all pay lip service to while acting more like Reagan, the one thing that did give me pause was him saying corporations should be forced to be at least partly employee owned. That would be a huge overreach in the checks and balances of capital vs labor IMO, and I'd strongly prefer high labor union participation instead as a check against capital. But no candidate is going to be perfect obviously.

[daslicer]

I was going for Warren until she pulled that poor woman identity politics crap out of the Hillary Clinton playbook, probably thanks to her hiring staffers from Clinton's and Kamala Harris' campaigns. What a clusterfuck and she's still bitter and accusing Sanders of saying she couldn't win because she's a woman. While I mostly agree with Bernie's platform and agree he's the closest candidate to the FDR the corporate Democrats all pay lip service to while acting more like Reagan, the one thing that did give me pause was him saying corporations should be employee owned. That would be a huge overreach in the checks and balances of capital vs labor, and I'd strongly prefer high labor union participation instead. But no candidate is going to be perfect obviously.

Warren was originally my second choice after Bernie. I would have been happy with either of them up until like you said she played the woman identity politics. Just like you that shit pissed me off. I understand you not agreeing with everything Bernie proposed but like you said no candidate is perfect. I just wanted a real progressive for once. The Dems since the 90's have transitioned to become a party that only differs from the republicans on social issues but tend to be the same on economic issues. If Biden wins watch him not undue the Trump tax cuts but the republicans will still howl that he's a communist/socialist.

[baseline bum]

Warren was originally my second choice after Bernie. I would have been happy with either of them up until like you said she played the woman identity politics. Just like you that shit pissed me off. I understand you not agreeing with everything Bernie proposed but like you said no candidate is perfect. I just wanted a real progressive for once. The Dems since the 90's have transitioned to become a party that only differs from the republicans on social issues but tend to be the same on economic issues. If Biden wins watch him not undue the Trump tax cuts but the republicans will still howl that he's a communist/socialist.

If elected, he'll bring the top marginal rate up a few points and the GOP will say he's Stalin reincarnated while the DNC will say he's FDR reincarnated. But he would have at least followed Obama's pandemic playbook of ramping up testing and production of PPE instead of saying the pandemic was a Republican hoax and pretending it would never buttfuck the US when it was crystal clear it was coming here and in a big way. And he'd pick way better Supreme Court justices than fucking crying Kavanaugh. Not that that is saying much.

[daslicer]

If elected, he'll bring the top marginal rate up a few points and the GOP will say he's Stalin reincarnated while the DNC will say he's FDR reincarnated. But he would have at least followed Obama's pandemic playbook of ramping up testing and production of PPE instead of saying the pandemic was a Republican hoax and pretending it would never buttfuck the US when it was crystal clear it was coming here and in a big way. And he'd pick way better Supreme Court justices than fucking crying Kavanaugh. Not that that is saying much.

I agree. Dems are better at handling crisis and international affairs compared to republicans. Also like you said the ability to pick supreme court justices is a big deal. The taxes will be an interesting fight. :lol at the FDR reincarnated line it reminds me of when the DNC said Barack was the Black FDR when in reality he was Black Clinton Lite.

[baseline bum]

I agree. Dems are better at handling crisis and international affairs compared to republicans.

Can't say I always agree, though I do agree with the statement when considering the current GOP. But I'll be forever grateful to George H.W. Bush for how he handled the fall of the Berlin Wall. A blowhard like Trump would be egging the Soviets on into a nuclear war but Bush knew Gorbachev was toeing a really tight line to keep from getting overthrown by hardliners in the Communist Party who would have started massacring East Germans rather than lose them to the West. Growing up, nuclear war always seemed like an inevitability with the Soviet Union but Gorbachev and Bush 41 saved us from it.

[BackHome]

You really think Biden can handle a crisis?

[ChumpDumper]

You really think Biden can handle a crisis?Well, we know Trump can't.

[pad300]

LMAO the Democrats are worse than 50,000 Americans dead in a month with many more to come to the Trumptards. Just don't block the road in front of our hospitals like your fuckhead kin in Michigan did.

And here you are ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.
1) What did I say: "are a much bigger danger to the Republic"
The CCP virus could kill 1,000,000 americans and it wouldn't endanger the Republic. The 1918 flu killed .5% of the US population, that would be 1.8 million given today's population (and it's deaths were mostly young adults), and it didn't kill the Republic. Get some historical perspective.
2)
Yeah, this is what bugs me about this whole thread... This boundless faith that somehow, Hillary Clinton (of all people) being in the oval office, would result in magical fixing of the things that have gone wrong.
I have yet to see an actual reasonable argument that having a Democrat in the White House would have had magically better results. Every time I ask for one, you guys just ignore the question; you don't have an argument to say that. This country is not South Korea, and no matter who was sitting in the Oval Office, we could not have done what they did. So we'd still be looking at 50000 dead Americans in a month. Or worse, there's a convincing argument that a democrat would have done worse. Finally, if you take NYC out of the picture ( run by Democrats for the last 15 to 20 years... just saying), they country looks pretty good for a major pandemic.

Some questions for you,
1) When was the last time a presidential candidate was forced out of a speaking engagement in a major city by threats of violence?
2) Did the mayor of the city or the governor of the state support the candidate speaking and pull out all the stops to keep order, or did they give in to the threats without trying to resist?
3) Which party was the presidential candidate from? Which party did the mayor and the governor belong to?
4) Is this a major violation of the constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly?
5) Has such a thing happened to a presidential candidate of the other party after 1900? Ever?

[pad300]

Can't say I always agree, though I do agree with the statement when considering the current GOP. But I'll be forever grateful to George H.W. Bush for how he handled the fall of the Berlin Wall. A blowhard like Trump would be egging the Soviets on into a nuclear war but Bush knew Gorbachev was toeing a really tight line to keep from getting overthrown by hardliners in the Communist Party who would have started massacring East Germans rather than lose them to the West. Growing up, nuclear war always seemed like an inevitability with the Soviet Union but Gorbachev and Bush 41 saved us from it.

Yeah... that Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with that...

[pad300]

If elected, he'll bring the top marginal rate up a few points and the GOP will say he's Stalin reincarnated while the DNC will say he's FDR reincarnated. But he would have at least followed Obama's pandemic playbook of ramping up testing and production of PPE instead of saying the pandemic was a Republican hoax and pretending it would never buttfuck the US when it was crystal clear it was coming here and in a big way. And he'd pick way better Supreme Court justices than fucking crying Kavanaugh. Not that that is saying much.

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

The one where he waited until 1000 Americans were dead, and 2 months after WHO had declared a pandemic to declare a national emergency. Translating that to this plague, WHO declared a pandemic on March 11, so there would be no National emergency until May. No, we'll be generous and say he'd go for the 1000 Americans dead - which was March 26 in this case. Yep, the response would just be SO much better than the Trump administration putting together a task force in January...

[hombre]

You really think Biden can handle a crisis?


LOL, Biden was in charge of the H1N1 response.

And since all flus are the same to you guys -

Biden - H1N1 - 12,000 + deaths from 2009 - 2010

Pence - COVID19 - 52,400 deaths from early February 2020 - late April 2020

[ChumpDumper]

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

The one where he waited until 1000 Americans were dead, and 2 months after WHO had declared a pandemic to declare a national emergency. Translating that to this plague, WHO declared a pandemic on March 11, so there would be no National emergency until May. No, we'll be generous and say he'd go for the 1000 Americans dead - which was March 26 in this case. Yep, the response would just be SO much better than the Trump administration putting together a task force in January...Where do you get your talking points?

I'd rather just go straight to your source if that's OK.

[baseline bum]

Yeah... that Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with that...

Reagan didn't even know it happened.

[pad300]

Where do you get your talking points?

I'd rather just go straight to your source if that's OK.

It's the chumpdumper dance: Refuse to debate the points and build a strawman... Useful only if a) you're too damn stupid to think and reply in an intelligent fashion, and b) you've got an unlimited time on your hands to repeat yourself, because you've not got enough imagination to think of something better to do.

[baseline bum]

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

The one where he waited until 1000 Americans were dead, and 2 months after WHO had declared a pandemic to declare a national emergency. Translating that to this plague, WHO declared a pandemic on March 11, so there would be no National emergency until May. No, we'll be generous and say he'd go for the 1000 Americans dead - which was March 26 in this case. Yep, the response would just be SO much better than the Trump administration putting together a task force in January...

Fucking brilliant task force Trump had, sending PPE to China instead of producing and procuring it for the US in January like Obama's playbook instructed.

[baseline bum]

And here you are ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.
1) What did I say: "are a much bigger danger to the Republic"
The CCP virus could kill 1,000,000 americans and it wouldn't endanger the Republic. The 1918 flu killed .5% of the US population, that would be 1.8 million given today's population (and it's deaths were mostly young adults), and it didn't kill the Republic. Get some historical perspective.


Even without the deaths, the pandemic is extremely destructive to the republic with the way it has destroyed small business and has sent us into an almost certain depression. Though calling the US a republic is generous after the Republican 5-4 vote on Citizens United was the last nail in the coffin enshrining us as an oligarchy. But guaranteed health insurance killed the republic. Just like Medicare and Social Security did. And fuel emissions standards. And DACA, though Reagan's amnesty didn't apparently.



2)
I have yet to see an actual reasonable argument that having a Democrat in the White House would have had magically better results. Every time I ask for one, you guys just ignore the question; you don't have an argument to say that. This country is not South Korea, and no matter who was sitting in the Oval Office, we could not have done what they did. So we'd still be looking at 50000 dead Americans in a month. Or worse, there's a convincing argument that a democrat would have done worse. Finally, if you take NYC out of the picture ( run by Democrats for the last 15 to 20 years... just saying), they country looks pretty good for a major pandemic.


Answered previously.



Some questions for you,
1) When was the last time a presidential candidate was forced out of a speaking engagement in a major city by threats of violence?
2) Did the mayor of the city or the governor of the state support the candidate speaking and pull out all the stops to keep order, or did they give in to the threats without trying to resist?
3) Which party was the presidential candidate from? Which party did the mayor and the governor belong to?
4) Is this a major violation of the constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly?
5) Has such a thing happened to a presidential candidate of the other party after 1900? Ever?


There is no defense for shutting down a political speech with threats of violence. What did you think of Trump talking about assassinating Hillary Clinton with second amendment remedies?

[ChumpDumper]

It's the chumpdumper dance: Refuse to debate the points and build a strawman... Useful only if a) you're too damn stupid to think and reply in an intelligent fashion, and b) you've got an unlimited time on your hands to repeat yourself, because you've not got enough imagination to think of something better to do.No strawman, I really want to know where you got your talking points.

Your fever dreams about the death of the Republic are cute though. Are those your own?

[hombre]

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

We lost the war because Obama did not leave us ammunition 3 years ago?

[baseline bum]

2)
I have yet to see an actual reasonable argument that having a Democrat in the White House would have had magically better results. Every time I ask for one, you guys just ignore the question; you don't have an argument to say that. This country is not South Korea, and no matter who was sitting in the Oval Office, we could not have done what they did. So we'd still be looking at 50000 dead Americans in a month. Or worse, there's a convincing argument that a democrat would have done worse. Finally, if you take NYC out of the picture ( run by Democrats for the last 15 to 20 years... just saying), they country looks pretty good for a major pandemic.

Also :lol richest country in the world can't do early testing and contact tracing while pissants like South Korea and Taiwan can be right on top of it.

[hombre]

You really think Biden can handle a crisis?


LOL, Biden was in charge of the H1N1 response.

And since all flus are the same to you guys -

Biden - H1N1 - 12,000 + deaths from 2009 - 2010

Pence - COVID19 - 52,400 deaths from early February 2020 - late April 2020

[ChumpDumper]

I mean Trump declares he has absolute power and his AG wants to suspend constitutional rights and it's Democrats you're afraid of.

:lol

[baseline bum]

Trump doesn't even think we need testing and contact tracing now to open the country, with 52,000 dead.

[pad300]

LOL, Biden was in charge of the H1N1 response.

And since all flus are the same to you guys -

Biden - H1N1 - 12,000 + deaths from 2009 - 2010

Pence - COVID19 - 52,400 deaths from early February 2020 - late April 2020

No moron, they are not the same, estimated infection fatality rate for H1N1 in the US : 60.8E6 cases. 12469 dead. IFR 0.0002. Estimated R0 = 1.5

Estimated IFR CCP Virus .001 to .0036
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Estimate R0 2-2.5
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-contagious-r-naught-average-patient-spread-2020-3?op=1

5 to 18 times more lethal per case. Twice as contagious... Also had to deal with China covering up data and preventing response... Yep, the Trump admin is (relatively) doing a lot better than Obama did.

[ChumpDumper]

No moron, they are not the same, estimated infection fatality rate for H1N1 in the US : 60.8E6 cases. 12469 dead. IFR 0.0002. Estimated R0 = 1.5

Estimated IFR CCP Virus .001 to .0036
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Estimate R0 2-2.5
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-contagious-r-naught-average-patient-spread-2020-3?op=1

5 to 18 times more lethal per case. Twice as contagious... Also had to deal with China covering up data and preventing response... Yep, the Trump admin is (relatively) doing a lot better than Obama did.

Did Trump do anything wrong RE: this pandemic.

If yes, what?

[baseline bum]

Did Trump do anything wrong RE: this pandemic.

If yes, what?

This question is always interesting :lol

[pad300]

Also :lol richest country in the world can't do early testing and contact tracing while pissants like South Korea and Taiwan can be right on top of it.

Let's look at what I said:


Actually, it's pretty unlikely. We don't have the same legal system, nor the same level of let's call it "social control" as they do:

"South Korea has used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases."

Legally getting access to that data in the US would be extremely difficult, especially tied to individual medical records. Not to mention that kind of thing is theoretically a state level responsibility - you would have to get them onside. Not to mention our government integrated surveillance camera density (and data integration) is simply miniscule compared to theirs.

"In 2014, South Korean cities had over 8 million CCTV cameras, or one camera per 6.3 people. In 2010, everyone was captured an average of 83.1 times per day and every nine seconds while travelling. These figures are likely to be much higher today. Considering the physical size of the country, it is safe to say South Korea has one of the highest densities of surveillance technology in the world."

Whereas in the US, the vast majority of CCTV cameras are in private and commercial use, not databased for national use. It would be very hard to implement the South Korean model

Rich don't do jack and squat for that, unless you start a couple of years earlier...And we're back to you ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.

[pad300]

Neither Baseline Bum nor ChumpDumper has dared answer my 5 questions. It's like they're afraid...

So here they are again:
1) When was the last time a presidential candidate was forced out of a speaking engagement in a major city by threats of violence?
2) Did the mayor of the city or the governor of the state support the candidate speaking and pull out all the stops to keep order, or did they give in to the threats without trying to resist?
3) Which party was the presidential candidate from? Which party did the mayor and the governor belong to?
4) Is this a major violation of the constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly?
5) Has such a thing happened to a presidential candidate of the other party after 1900? Ever?

[pad300]

There is no defense for shutting down a political speech with threats of violence. What did you think of Trump talking about assassinating Hillary Clinton with second amendment remedies?


I mean Trump declares he has absolute power and his AG wants to suspend constitutional rights and it's Democrats you're afraid of.

:lol

He's assuredly not perfect, but running your mouth isn't the same thing as actually doing something...

[ChumpDumper]

Neither Baseline Bum nor ChumpDumper has dared answer my 5 questions. It's like they're afraid...

So here they are again:
1) When was the last time a presidential candidate was forced out of a speaking engagement in a major city by threats of violence?
2) Did the mayor of the city or the governor of the state support the candidate speaking and pull out all the stops to keep order, or did they give in to the threats without trying to resist?
3) Which party was the presidential candidate from? Which party did the mayor and the governor belong to?
4) Is this a major violation of the constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly?
5) Has such a thing happened to a presidential candidate of the other party after 1900? Ever?You're afraid of Democrats and like the guy who declared absolute power for himself and let his AG call to suspend constitutional rights.

I'll say all your questions point to Democrat bad. I don't share your conclusion that the Republic is threatened by whatever you're talking about and I'm not doing the research.

I'm asking you your opinion on this:

Did Trump do anything wrong RE: this pandemic.

If yes, what?

[baseline bum]

Neither Baseline Bum nor ChumpDumper has dared answer my 5 questions. It's like they're afraid...

So here they are again:
1) When was the last time a presidential candidate was forced out of a speaking engagement in a major city by threats of violence?
2) Did the mayor of the city or the governor of the state support the candidate speaking and pull out all the stops to keep order, or did they give in to the threats without trying to resist?
3) Which party was the presidential candidate from? Which party did the mayor and the governor belong to?
4) Is this a major violation of the constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly?
5) Has such a thing happened to a presidential candidate of the other party after 1900? Ever?

Um I answered that it's completely unacceptable to shut down political speeches with threats of violence. What did you think of Trump egging his crowd on with talk of assassinating Clinton with second amendment remedies?

[ChumpDumper]

He's assuredly not perfect, but running your mouth isn't the same thing as actually doing something...
Great, my question to you is about what he has done.

Did Trump do anything wrong RE: this pandemic.

If yes, what?

[Frenchfred]

Yeah... that Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with that...

but he was responsible for a major deficit, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Not bad.

[baseline bum]

but he was responsible for a major deficit, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Not bad.

:lol

[pad300]

Did Trump do anything wrong RE: this pandemic.

If yes, what?

Yep, it's been absolutely clear that a lot of the publicly released modeling has been absolute garbage (2.2 Million dead, WTF?). He may have panicked. It's impossible to prove with any certainty, but a nationwide shutdown may not have been justified; handling it state by state might have been more appropriate (and definitely less economically damaging).

If he'd learned the mask lesson: everybody masks...N95 is nice (save them for healthcare personnel/emergency responders), but not a requirement, from Taiwan/South Korea/Hong Kong, we'd have been much better off, IMO.

He runs his mouth a lot, but a) he's always done that, and b) he is trying to fight a political war, with a national press that's more interested in pulling him down than helping the country.

You could say he didn't have the vision to understand what was coming, but he did react quite quickly (for a US gov't). Stating that this was wrong though, needs to be put in perspective - I can't say that I see Hillary Clinton seeing what was coming either; she who tried to run up margins in California, rather than campaign in Michigan...

[Frenchfred]

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

The one where he waited until 1000 Americans were dead, and 2 months after WHO had declared a pandemic to declare a national emergency. Translating that to this plague, WHO declared a pandemic on March 11, so there would be no National emergency until May. No, we'll be generous and say he'd go for the 1000 Americans dead - which was March 26 in this case. Yep, the response would just be SO much better than the Trump administration putting together a task force in January...

the republicans had money to give to the wealthiest but not to replenish the stock pile the past 3.5 years? Very poor planing on their part

[pad300]

Um I answered that it's completely unacceptable to shut down political speeches with threats of violence. What did you think of Trump egging his crowd on with talk of assassinating Clinton with second amendment remedies?

You haven't answered the 5 questions. I will note that Hillary is not pushing up daisies...

[ChumpDumper]

Yep, it's been absolutely clear that a lot of the publicly released modeling has been absolute garbage (2.2 Million dead, WTF?). He may have panicked. It's impossible to prove with any certainty, but a nationwide shutdown may not have been justified; handling it state by state might have been more appropriate (and definitely less economically damaging).

If he'd learned the mask lesson: everybody masks...N95 is nice (save them for healthcare personnel/emergency responders), but not a requirement, from Taiwan/South Korea/Hong Kong, we'd have been much better off, IMO.

He runs his mouth a lot, but a) he's always done that, and b) he is trying to fight a political war, with a national press that's more interested in pulling him down than helping the country.

You could say he didn't have the vision to understand what was coming, but he did react quite quickly (for a US gov't). Stating that this was wrong though, needs to be put in perspective - I can't say that I see Hillary Clinton seeing what was coming either; she who tried to run up margins in California, rather than campaign in Michigan...So he didn't really do anything wrong except overreact.

[Frenchfred]

No moron, they are not the same, estimated infection fatality rate for H1N1 in the US : 60.8E6 cases. 12469 dead. IFR 0.0002. Estimated R0 = 1.5

Estimated IFR CCP Virus .001 to .0036
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Estimate R0 2-2.5
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-contagious-r-naught-average-patient-spread-2020-3?op=1

5 to 18 times more lethal per case. Twice as contagious... Also had to deal with China covering up data and preventing response... Yep, the Trump admin is (relatively) doing a lot better than Obama did.

Republicans were telling us that this was just the flu, were they wrong again?

[baseline bum]

he is trying to fight a political war, with a national press that's more interested in pulling him down than helping the country.

What a load. Trump gets the exact press he seeks to so he can go get on the cross for the 30%. He has been manipulating the media expertly for 40 years now. He knows what he's doing, it's what he's best at.

[pad300]

but he was responsible for a major deficit, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Not bad.

And don't forget enabled the rise of China...

But he did succeed in taking down the USSR, with it's 26000 nukes aimed at the US, and Communist ideology dedicated to taking over the world. For a nation that is a super-power, this is known as the cost of doing business. It's better than the cost of going out of business...

[baseline bum]

You haven't answered the 5 questions. I will note that Hillary is not pushing up daisies...

Neither is Trump so everything's ok, questions answered then.

[baseline bum]

And don't forget enabled the rise of China...

But he did succeed in taking down the USSR, with it's 26000 nukes aimed at the US, and Communist ideology dedicated to taking over the world. For a nation that is a super-power, this is known as the cost of doing business. It's better than the cost of going out of business...

No that was Bush.

[ChumpDumper]

And don't forget enabled the rise of China...Trump took out a $211,000,000 loan from the Bank of China.

[hombre]

Healthy people in their 30s and 40s, barely sick with COVID-19, are dying from strokes
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Healthy-people-in-their-30s-and-40s-barely-sick-15224874.php?fbclid=IwAR25obNxjNGCsJo9tTUkCsD0jbC5 OhOEPjqB86oGwQwAeDFsbZ8yrflPHMw (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Healthy-people-in-their-30s-and-40s-barely-sick-15224874.php?fbclid=IwAR25obNxjNGCsJo9tTUkCsD0jbC5 OhOEPjqB86oGwQwAeDFsbZ8yrflPHMw)

The patient's chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He was male, no medications, no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of America, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

As Oxley, an interventional neurologist, began the procedure to remove the clot, he observed something he had never seen before. On the monitors, the brain typically shows up as a tangle of black squiggles - "like a can of spaghetti," he said - that provide a map of blood vessels. A clot shows up as a blank spot. As he used a needlelike device to pull out the clot, he saw new clots forming in real time around it. "This is crazy," he remembers telling his boss.

Many doctors expressed worry that, as the New York City Fire Department was picking up four times as many people who died at home as normal during the peak of infection, that some of the dead had suffered sudden strokes. The truth may never be known because so few autopsies were conducted.


(http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Healthy-people-in-their-30s-and-40s-barely-sick-15224874.php?fbclid=IwAR25obNxjNGCsJo9tTUkCsD0jbC5 OhOEPjqB86oGwQwAeDFsbZ8yrflPHMw)

[baseline bum]

Healthy people in their 30s and 40s, barely sick with COVID-19, are dying from strokes
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Healthy-people-in-their-30s-and-40s-barely-sick-15224874.php?fbclid=IwAR25obNxjNGCsJo9tTUkCsD0jbC5 OhOEPjqB86oGwQwAeDFsbZ8yrflPHMw (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Healthy-people-in-their-30s-and-40s-barely-sick-15224874.php?fbclid=IwAR25obNxjNGCsJo9tTUkCsD0jbC5 OhOEPjqB86oGwQwAeDFsbZ8yrflPHMw)

The patient's chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He was male, no medications, no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of America, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

As Oxley, an interventional neurologist, began the procedure to remove the clot, he observed something he had never seen before. On the monitors, the brain typically shows up as a tangle of black squiggles - "like a can of spaghetti," he said - that provide a map of blood vessels. A clot shows up as a blank spot. As he used a needlelike device to pull out the clot, he saw new clots forming in real time around it. "This is crazy," he remembers telling his boss.

Many doctors expressed worry that, as the New York City Fire Department was picking up four times as many people who died at home as normal during the peak of infection, that some of the dead had suffered sudden strokes. The truth may never be known because so few autopsies were conducted.


(http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Healthy-people-in-their-30s-and-40s-barely-sick-15224874.php?fbclid=IwAR25obNxjNGCsJo9tTUkCsD0jbC5 OhOEPjqB86oGwQwAeDFsbZ8yrflPHMw)

New York isn't Real America. Who cares? Just discount them from the national numbers.

[Frenchfred]

And don't forget enabled the rise of China...

But he did succeed in taking down the USSR, with it's 26000 nukes aimed at the US, and Communist ideology dedicated to taking over the world. For a nation that is a super-power, this is known as the cost of doing business. It's better than the cost of going out of business...

The USSR would have never used their nukes, nobody uses nukes. The USSR would have crumbled anyway, they didn't have the money to continue forever. But interesting that Republicans always support terrorists and dictators and never take responsibility when it comes back and bite them in the ass, they also pretend to be this beacon of democracy.

[pad300]

Republicans were telling us that this was just the flu, were they wrong again?

You have no perspective, at all.

1918 Flu, estimate 17-50 million dead worldwide, 500 million cases
IFR .01 to .034
R0, estimated, 14-2.8

1968-69 Hong Kong Flu
IFR .002
R0 ?1.8?

Just the Flu

[baseline bum]

You have no perspective, at all.

1918 Flu, estimate 17-50 million dead worldwide, 500 million cases
IFR .01 to .034
R0, estimated, 14-2.8

1968-69 Hong Kong Flu
IFR .002
R0 ?1.8?

Just the Flu

Yeah that's what they meant, :cry It's just the Spanish Flu :cry

[pad300]

What a load. Trump gets the exact press he seeks to so he can go get on the cross for the 30%. He has been manipulating the media expertly for 40 years now. He knows what he's doing, it's what he's best at.

And we're back to you ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.

There is no contradiction between "he is trying to fight a political war, with a national press that's more interested in pulling him down than helping the country" and "He has been manipulating the media expertly for 40 years now". He wouldn't be in office if he didn't know how to expertly manipulate the media. That doesn't mean they're not his enemies, just that he has a method of fighting them.

[pad300]

Neither is Trump so everything's ok, questions answered then.

RUNNING AWAY!!!

[baseline bum]

And we're back to you ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.

There is no contradiction between "he is trying to fight a political war, with a national press that's more interested in pulling him down than helping the country" and "He has been manipulating the media expertly for 40 years now". He wouldn't be in office if he didn't know how to expertly manipulate the media. That doesn't mean they're not his enemies, just that he has a method of fighting them.

Are they not supposed to call him out on his bullshit when he spews lies like a firehose on full blast? He spent all his political capital immediately on inauguration crowd sizes. LOL at your implication that propping him and his lies up helps the country. It's not strawmanning to say he gets the exact press he seeks so he can play victim to people like you.

[baseline bum]

RUNNING AWAY!!!

Trump egging his crowd on to assassinate Clinton

[pad300]

The USSR would have never used their nukes, nobody uses nukes. The USSR would have crumbled anyway, they didn't have the money to continue forever. But interesting that Republicans always support terrorists and dictators and never take responsibility when it comes back and bite them in the ass, they also pretend to be this beacon of democracy.

Their doctrine called for them to use nukes if they thought they would win; they never adopted a formal belief in MAD. Even today, their doctrine calls for the use of nukes in response to threats to their core interests...

"The USSR would have crumbled anyway, they didn't have the money to continue forever." - You realize that Reagan's military build up is what pushed their economy to failure, as they tried to keep up...

I'm not even going to bother with how you're trying to hopscotch to "Republicans" do this, like the Democrats are saints... just like you bullshitting about only Republicans lying... "It's not that liberals aren't smart, it's just that so much of what they know isn't so,"

[pad300]

Trump egging his crowd on to assassinate Clinton

Still haven't answered the questions...

[baseline bum]

Still haven't answered the questions...

:cry "Chicago thugs" need to be held to a higher standard than the president :cry

[pad300]

Are they not supposed to call him out on his bullshit when he spews lies like a firehose on full blast? He spent all his political capital immediately on inauguration crowd sizes. LOL at your implication that propping him and his lies up helps the country. It's not strawmanning to say he gets the exact press he seeks so he can play victim to people like you.

And we're back to you ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.

They can call him on his BS as much as you want. But call everyone on their bullshit. Quit trying to spin everything to damage him and to support the democrats... Don't google this right away: Can you tell me who Tara Reade is? If can't answer that off the top of your head, as a politically aware citizen... LINK/ (https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/)

[pad300]

:cry "Chicago thugs" need to be held to a higher standard than the president :cry

So, you know what I'm talking about, but you're not afraid to write it for everyone to see... 5 simple, straight forward questions, and you don't dare answer them straight up...

[Frenchfred]

You have no perspective, at all.

1918 Flu, estimate 17-50 million dead worldwide, 500 million cases
IFR .01 to .034
R0, estimated, 14-2.8

1968-69 Hong Kong Flu
IFR .002
R0 ?1.8?

Just the Flu

if it is just the flu, why do you ask Obama to replenish the stockpile of masks?

[baseline bum]

And we're back to you ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.

They can call him on his BS as much as you want. But call everyone on their bullshit. Quit trying to spin everything to damage him and to support the democrats... Don't google this right away: Can you tell me who Tara Reade is? If can't answer that off the top of your head, as a politically aware citizen... LINK/ (https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/)

Holy shit you accusing anyone of spinning when you're whining about the press calling him on his bullshit as if toeing his line moves America forward. Tara Reade said Biden grabbed her by the pussy right?

[baseline bum]

So, you know what I'm talking about, but you're not afraid to write it for everyone to see... 5 simple, straight forward questions, and you don't dare answer them straight up...

:cry "Chicago thugs" need to be held to a higher standard than the president :cry

[hombre]

And since all flus are the same to you guys -


No moron, they are not the same,.

That was sarcasm, you are so triggered. Glad you guys are starting to understand this isn't a normal flu, it's taken few months to get you up to speed.

[baseline bum]

That was sarcasm, you are so triggered. Glad you guys are starting to understand this isn't a normal flu, it's taken few months to get you up to speed.

Good luck talking to a shithead who thinks Democrats are worse than COVID for America.

[pad300]

Good luck talking to a shithead who thinks Democrats are worse than COVID for America.

Be're back to you ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again. Not to mention making ad-hominem attacks...

What's the difference between a hailstorm (the CCP virus, which is either an act of god or an accident), and someone smashing up your car window with a tire iron (and then hotwiring it and driving off to the chop shop)? Intent is a thing... so are consequences...

[baseline bum]

Be're back to you ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again. Not to mention making ad-hominem attacks...

What's the difference between a hailstorm (the CCP virus, which is either an act of god or an accident), and someone smashing up your car window with a tire iron (and then hotwiring it and driving off to the chop shop)? Intent is a thing... so are consequences...

You said Democrats are worse than COVID for the Republic, don't try to walk it back now son.

[ChumpDumper]

You said Democrats are worse than COVID for the Republic, don't try to walk it back now son.Dude is really proud of his little story.

[ElNono]

:lmao why are you trying to reason with trumptards... they're like christians trying to explain the old testament... "he really didn't say that", "it was a metaphor", "now this isn't a metaphor", the "1st jew translation didn't quite say that"...

[baseline bum]

:lmao why are you trying to reason with trumptards... they're like christians trying to explain the old testament... "he really didn't say that", "it was a metaphor", "now this isn't a metaphor", the "1st jew translation didn't quite say that"...

I really wanted to hear Trumptard tell me how rape and sexual assault are bad now. :lol

[Arcadian]

Then go click another thread, sweetheart

Just wanted to poke my head in and say this. It's just boring and shitty. Tired of seeing it.

[slick'81]

Just wanted to poke my head in and say this. It's just boring and shitty. Tired of seeing it.


Welcome to 2020

[stepmonkey]

Just wanted to poke my head in and say this. It's just boring and shitty. Tired of seeing it.

I get it, but it is just one thread that is easily skipped over. It's not like when there were 100 Kawhi treads all on page one.

[baseline bum]

I get it, but it is just one thread that is easily skipped over. It's not like when there were 100 Kawhi treads all on page one.

:lol

[daslicer]

:lmao why are you trying to reason with trumptards... they're like christians trying to explain the old testament... "he really didn't say that", "it was a metaphor", "now this isn't a metaphor", the "1st jew translation didn't quite say that"...

:lol

[pad300]

You said Democrats are worse than COVID for the Republic, don't try to walk it back now son.


Dude is really proud of his little story.


:lmao why are you trying to reason with trumptards... they're like christians trying to explain the old testament... "he really didn't say that", "it was a metaphor", "now this isn't a metaphor", the "1st jew translation didn't quite say that"...

3 leftist pile in. Can any of them engage the point? NO! Of course not, they just want to shout other ideas down... because they can't make a real argument against them.

Also, note the casual anti-semitism "1st jew translation". "Scratch a leftist, find an anti-smite"; it's been that way since the NASDP...

I suppose I should allow for the possibility that you're just too stupid to understand a straightforward statement (although if that's the case, whoever helped you log-on should really stop doing that...)

The statement was :


I'd phrase that a little differently. The Democrats are a much bigger danger to the Republic, than Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, and CCP virus all put together. Some of us like a free country where we actually have constitutional rights...

Let's see:

Kim Jong Un is busy dying. Even if he wasn't, he's a pissant dictator on the far side of the pacific ocean. The reason we care is that we have friends and treaty obligations in his vicinity. That makes him a shit-stain on the world, but it doesn't make him a danger to the Republic.

The CCP virus is probably going to kill less than 200,000 Americans. That lots of americans, but the CDC says 2,626,418 americans died in 2014. People have been dying in the Republic since day one; nobody every promised that a free republic would stop people from dying. As I have said, the 1918 Flu killed roughly 0.5% of the population, which would be 1.8 million today. That didn't damage the republic. We had a state election (Wisconsin) in the middle of the panic, without a spike in the death rate... This plague will only endanger the republic if our political reaction is crazy... Which the Democrats apparently support: multi-year quarantine; lock down the economy and print money for years; let's take advantage of the crisis to kill the 2nd amendment, ban protest, limit free speech, and change the voting system...

Vlad, just like Kimmy, is an asshole. He's a dictator, but not a pissant one. He has done damage to the Republic. In this, he has been aided and abetted by the Democrat party. They passed russian disinformation into our intelligence organs, to use as a political attack tool. Then they prevented it being properly assessed (and rejeted) to in an attempt to discredit the other party - thus attacking our Republic. The Democrats (and their media allies) have spent the last 3 years attempting to use said disinformation to for a legitimately elected president out of power - thus attacking our Republic.

The Democrats, meanwhile, support what threat these 3 pose to our republic, for their own political gain. Without the Democrats doing this, these things would not be a significant threat to the Republic... The Democrats, as a party, have clearly decided that them being in charge of the country is more important than the preservation of the Constitution (see the fact that they continue to hide from 5 straightforward questions).

As a Republic, we have lived with plagues (1918 flu). We have survived hostile foreign powers (USSR, WW2). We have survived loudmouth assholes in power (Andy Jackson). We have survived blatant racism in power (Woodrow Wilson (D) - resegregated the civil service). We have survived incompetence in power (Jimmy Carter - although that did take a Reagan to pull us out the hole). (Not that I'm convince that Don Trump is either incompetent or racist). We have survived economic collapses (1930, 2008). The closest we have come to losing the Republic? Civil War, where Democrats tried to separate, because they didn't like the basic principles of the Republic : "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" (my bolding). After that defeat, the Democrats were willing to put the Republic ahead of their political fortunes for a couple of centuries...but somewhere along the way, they stopped doing that. Now people are talking about another Civil War...

I am not, actually, a committed republican. Certainly not a Trump devotee. I do however, recognize that all elections, are a matter of picking the least possible evil. That means a) not burning votes on hopeless causes, and b) voting for the best realistic outcome available. Until their's either a) a return to sanity by the democrat party, or b) a viable third party, that means voting republican in general elections... Note that I haven't cast a vote for Don Trump in a primary yet, nor do I ever expect to do so.

[baseline bum]

3 leftist pile in. Can any of them engage the point? NO! Of course not, they just want to shout other ideas down... because they can't make a real argument against them.

Also, note the casual anti-semitism "1st jew translation". "Scratch a leftist, find an anti-smite"; it's been that way since the NASDP...

I suppose I should allow for the possibility that you're just too stupid to understand a straightforward statement (although if that's the case, whoever helped you log-on should really stop doing that...)

The statement was :



Let's see:

Kim Jong Un is busy dying. Even if he wasn't, he's a pissant dictator on the far side of the pacific ocean. The reason we care is that we have friends and treaty obligations in his vicinity. That makes him a shit-stain on the world, but it doesn't make him a danger to the Republic.

The CCP virus is probably going to kill less than 200,000 Americans. That lots of americans, but the CDC says 2,626,418 americans died in 2014. People have been dying in the Republic since day one; nobody every promised that a free republic would stop people from dying. As I have said, the 1918 Flu killed roughly 0.5% of the population, which would be 1.8 million today. That didn't damage the republic. We had a state election (Wisconsin) in the middle of the panic, without a spike in the death rate... This plague will only endanger the republic if our political reaction is crazy... Which the Democrats apparently support: multi-year quarantine; lock down the economy and print money for years; let's take advantage of the crisis to kill the 2nd amendment, ban protest, limit free speech, and change the voting system...

Vlad, just like Kimmy, is an asshole. He's a dictator, but not a pissant one. He has done damage to the Republic. In this, he has been aided and abetted by the Democrat party. They passed russian disinformation into our intelligence organs, to use as a political attack tool. Then they prevented it being properly assessed (and rejeted) to in an attempt to discredit the other party - thus attacking our Republic. The Democrats (and their media allies) have spent the last 3 years attempting to use said disinformation to for a legitimately elected president out of power - thus attacking our Republic.

The Democrats, meanwhile, support what threat these 3 pose to our republic, for their own political gain. Without the Democrats doing this, these things would not be a significant threat to the Republic... The Democrats, as a party, have clearly decided that them being in charge of the country is more important than the preservation of the Constitution (see the fact that they continue to hide from 5 straightforward questions).

As a Republic, we have lived with plagues (1918 flu). We have survived hostile foreign powers (USSR, WW2). We have survived loudmouth assholes in power (Andy Jackson). We have survived blatant racism in power (Woodrow Wilson (D) - resegregated the civil service). We have survived incompetence in power (Jimmy Carter - although that did take a Reagan to pull us out the hole). (Not that I'm convince that Don Trump is either incompetent or racist). We have survived economic collapses (1930, 2008). The closest we have come to losing the Republic? Civil War, where Democrats tried to separate, because they didn't like the basic principles of the Republic : "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" (my bolding). After that defeat, the Democrats were willing to put the Republic ahead of their political fortunes for a couple of centuries...but somewhere along the way, they stopped doing that. Now people are talking about another Civil War...

I am not, actually, a committed republican. Certainly not a Trump devotee. I do however, recognize that all elections, are a matter of picking the least possible evil. That means a) not burning votes on hopeless causes, and b) voting for the best realistic outcome available. Until their's either a) a return to sanity by the democrat party, or b) a viable third party, that means voting republican in general elections... Note that I haven't cast a vote for Don Trump in a primary yet, nor do I ever expect to do so.

LMAO it's cute when Trumptards claim to be independents. Also LOL that "You said Democrats are worse than COVID for the Republic" is somehow strawmanning "The Democrats are a much bigger danger to the Republic, than Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, and CCP virus all put together." Not reading your stupid filibuster. Go fuck your mother some more.

Also LOL calling ElNono a leftist.

[ChumpDumper]

3 leftist pile in. Can any of them engage the point? NO! Of course not, they just want to shout other ideas down... because they can't make a real argument against them.

Also, note the casual anti-semitism "1st jew translation". "Scratch a leftist, find an anti-smite"; it's been that way since the NASDP...

I suppose I should allow for the possibility that you're just too stupid to understand a straightforward statement (although if that's the case, whoever helped you log-on should really stop doing that...)

The statement was :



Let's see:

Kim Jong Un is busy dying. Even if he wasn't, he's a pissant dictator on the far side of the pacific ocean. The reason we care is that we have friends and treaty obligations in his vicinity. That makes him a shit-stain on the world, but it doesn't make him a danger to the Republic.

The CCP virus is probably going to kill less than 200,000 Americans. That lots of americans, but the CDC says 2,626,418 americans died in 2014. People have been dying in the Republic since day one; nobody every promised that a free republic would stop people from dying. As I have said, the 1918 Flu killed roughly 0.5% of the population, which would be 1.8 million today. That didn't damage the republic. We had a state election (Wisconsin) in the middle of the panic, without a spike in the death rate... This plague will only endanger the republic if our political reaction is crazy... Which the Democrats apparently support: multi-year quarantine; lock down the economy and print money for years; let's take advantage of the crisis to kill the 2nd amendment, ban protest, limit free speech, and change the voting system...

Vlad, just like Kimmy, is an asshole. He's a dictator, but not a pissant one. He has done damage to the Republic. In this, he has been aided and abetted by the Democrat party. They passed russian disinformation into our intelligence organs, to use as a political attack tool. Then they prevented it being properly assessed (and rejeted) to in an attempt to discredit the other party - thus attacking our Republic. The Democrats (and their media allies) have spent the last 3 years attempting to use said disinformation to for a legitimately elected president out of power - thus attacking our Republic.

The Democrats, meanwhile, support what threat these 3 pose to our republic, for their own political gain. Without the Democrats doing this, these things would not be a significant threat to the Republic... The Democrats, as a party, have clearly decided that them being in charge of the country is more important than the preservation of the Constitution (see the fact that they continue to hide from 5 straightforward questions).

As a Republic, we have lived with plagues (1918 flu). We have survived hostile foreign powers (USSR, WW2). We have survived loudmouth assholes in power (Andy Jackson). We have survived blatant racism in power (Woodrow Wilson (D) - resegregated the civil service). We have survived incompetence in power (Jimmy Carter - although that did take a Reagan to pull us out the hole). (Not that I'm convince that Don Trump is either incompetent or racist). We have survived economic collapses (1930, 2008). The closest we have come to losing the Republic? Civil War, where Democrats tried to separate, because they didn't like the basic principles of the Republic : "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" (my bolding). After that defeat, the Democrats were willing to put the Republic ahead of their political fortunes for a couple of centuries...but somewhere along the way, they stopped doing that. Now people are talking about another Civil War...

I am not, actually, a committed republican. Certainly not a Trump devotee. I do however, recognize that all elections, are a matter of picking the least possible evil. That means a) not burning votes on hopeless causes, and b) voting for the best realistic outcome available. Until their's either a) a return to sanity by the democrat party, or b) a viable third party, that means voting republican in general elections... Note that I haven't cast a vote for Don Trump in a primary yet, nor do I ever expect to do so.Sorry, I still don't see your "threat to the Republic" from your questions five.

I'm not doing a homework assignment so just come out and say what point you think you're making with your questions five.

Your assumptions were incredibly ill informed. So start over with those, OK? I'll let you know when you're warmer.

[ChumpDumper]

LMAO it's cute when Trumptards claim to be independents. Also LOL that "You said Democrats are worse than COVID for the Republic" is somehow strawmanning "The Democrats are a much bigger danger to the Republic, than Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, and CCP virus all put together." Not reading your stupid filibuster. Go fuck your mother some more.:lol I can almost see his fist pump when he clicked post reply.

Take THAT, commies!

[baseline bum]

:lol I can almost see his fist pump when he clicked post reply.

Take THAT, commies!


Let's parrot Dinesh D'Souza to show we're really independents!

[ChumpDumper]

Let's parrot Dinesh D'Souza to show we're really independents!DID YOU KNOW THAT OUR CONFEDERATE HEROES WERE DEMOCRATS????

oh wait....

[baseline bum]

DID YOU KNOW THAT OUR CONFEDERATE HEROES WERE DEMOCRATS????

oh wait....

:rollin

[Frenchfred]

I am not, actually, a committed republican. Certainly not a Trump devotee. I do however, recognize that all elections, are a matter of picking the least possible evil. That means a) not burning votes on hopeless causes, and b) voting for the best realistic outcome available. Until their's either a) a return to sanity by the democrat party, or b) a viable third party, that means voting republican in general elections... Note that I haven't cast a vote for Don Trump in a primary yet, nor do I ever expect to do so.

Those elections clearly picked the dumbest, the most divisive of all and clearly a danger for the republic. I hope that you can see that a country cannot continue forever with a minority ripping all the benefits creating by the majority?

A return to sanity by the democrat party? The republican party has become nearly fascist, the USA have never been such a joke for the rest of the world.

[baseline bum]

Those elections clearly picked the dumbest, the most divisive of all and clearly a danger for the republic. I hope that you can see that a country cannot continue forever with a minority ripping all the benefits creating by the majority?

A return to sanity by the democrat party? The republican party has become nearly fascist, the USA have never been such a joke for the rest of the world.

Nearly?

[ElNono]

Also LOL calling ElNono a leftist.

:lol leftards everywhere! why waste your time with the cult member?

[Spurs Homer]

Yep, it's been absolutely clear that a lot of the publicly released modeling has been absolute garbage (2.2 Million dead, WTF?). He may have panicked. It's impossible to prove with any certainty, but a nationwide shutdown may not have been justified; handling it state by state might have been more appropriate (and definitely less economically damaging).


USA Intel - warned the WH in November - after intercepting Chinese comms...Trump sat on that info and did zero - maybe because he owes China over 200 million. Feb 25th - CDC chief - warned the WH of the pandemic and how our lives would change - Trump responded by golfing, holding rallies, calling the virus a Dem hoax - and to top it all off - he FIRED that CDC chief because her warnings were "alarmist!"
Then he installed Pence in her place - because this way - no alarmist info would get out - ONLY the propaganda that Trump wanted out - fuck saving lives - what mattered was Trumps re-election.

If he'd learned the mask lesson: everybody masks...N95 is nice (save them for healthcare personnel/emergency responders), but not a requirement, from Taiwan/South Korea/Hong Kong, we'd have been much better off, IMO.


So he fucked up on the masks - fair enough. He also had 3 years to stock the stockpile - but instead he fired Obamas pandemic team that was gift-wrapped to him because - you know - black guy...

He runs his mouth a lot, but a) he's always done that, and b) he is trying to fight a political war, with a national press that's more interested in pulling him down than helping the country.


Lame excuses and whataboutism - if he acted like an adult and like a president - he would not be at war with the media - just look at the President who was treated the worst in history - yup the black one!

You could say he didn't have the vision to understand what was coming, but he did react quite quickly (for a US gov't). Stating that this was wrong though, needs to be put in perspective - I can't say that I see Hillary Clinton seeing what was coming either; she who tried to run up margins in California, rather than campaign in Michigan...


He was briefed in November. Oh yeah - by the USA intel - yup - the same outfit Trump called the deep state because they discovered he was in cahoots with Russia - so of course - being that Trump is the LAST honest person in America - EVERYONE from dems/fbi/cia/nsa/congress/etc - is just a damn liar -

oh yeah and HRC? Yup she skipped michigan - you know who knew that fact AHEAD of time? Russia. Yup - when Russia/wikileaks stole HRC's campaign strategy and then Manafort and Gates delivered it to Kilimnik - in a cafe. Yup - that same strategy that Russia was nice enough to steal - and to tell Trump team, "hey buddy - HRC is planning to maximize time in these states - but is not planning to visit Michigan - so you can tailor your campaign around that and around what other useful info you get from this stolen campaign strategy we got for you!" Russia was also nice enough to call that nazi running trumps digital campaign (Parscale) and gave him a heads up, "hey Herr Parscale - maybe you can get with right wing media - and as soon as Trump steals the election - we have some ready-made russian propaganda responses for you like - [so was it trumps fault that HRC did not visit Michigan?] or this one [you think a few facebook ads changed votes?] OR [I dont need a facebook ad to tell me Hillary is running a pedo ring in a pizza parlor]...it works for Putin all the time, buddy!

[Sugus]

Going through the first few pages of this thread with Monday's newspaper is insightful. Some of my personal favorite takes;


Check the ages of deaths. 25 percent of italy smokes. 25 percent of italy is over 65. Italians GREET EACHOTHER BY KISSING ON THE CHEEK


We're up to 27 deaths. A few more and we could pass a holiday weekend in Chicago. Quick go buy water and toilet paper. 34,000 people died from the flu last year but now it's time to panic.


WOW BRO 39 PEOPLE DIED BRO SHUT DOWN THE WORLD ECONOMY BRO!!!!! :lmao

Looks like the US, sadly, wasn't as invulnerable as projected by delusional Americans. Stay strong, stay safe, and stay inside, everyone.

[baseline bum]

Going through the first few pages of this thread with Monday's newspaper is insightful. Some of my personal favorite takes;







Looks like the US, sadly, wasn't as invulnerable as projected by delusional Americans. Stay strong, stay safe, and stay inside, everyone.

And all it took to know how much danger the US was in was a high school education, specifically knowing how an exponential function works. It's not like any of us sounding the warning weren't stating something completely obvious.

[ChumpDumper]

And all it took to know how much danger the US was in was a high school education, specifically knowing how an exponential function works. It's not like any of us sounding the warning weren't stating something completely obvious.I'm a willfully ignorant rube when it comes to math, but I can see curves on a graph and know when to start shitting myself.

[Play Boban]

Liberate San Antonio!!

[Play Boban]

Going through the first few pages of this thread with Monday's newspaper is insightful. Some of my personal favorite takes;







Looks like the US, sadly, wasn't as invulnerable as projected by delusional Americans. Stay strong, stay safe, and stay inside, everyone.
Just think how much worse things would be in Obama’s America.

[Frenchfred]

Just think how much worse things would be in Obama’s America.

we saw how he handled SARS before, much better than Trump. Thanks for reminding us.

[stepmonkey]

Just think how much worse things would be in Obama’s America.

I do sometimes wistfully think how much better off we would be were any other person in charge other than Trump. There are few people (even amongst politicians) less equipped to handle this.

What I really like to think about is if Obama (or any Dem) was in charge. I imagine they made every decision exactly the same as Trump has. Fox News is all over Trump's nuts on his handling of the pandemic. Almost granting him sainthood. A Dem in charge making the exact same decisions would be excoriated by Fox and all the little Trump nutters on this forum. They would be apoplectic with rage over the number of deaths. But Dumb Donald is a genius. Haha.

[exstatic]

The thing about ANY Dem is that they UNDERSTAND that they DON'T understand. They're not pandemic experts, so they leave the expertise to the experts, and follow their advice. Also, they wouldn't recommend injecting disinfectants.

[Play Boban]

we saw how he handled SARS before, much better than Trump. Thanks for reminding us.
SARS was under Bush. Get your facts straight, lib!

[Play Boban]

The thing about ANY Dem is that they UNDERSTAND that they DON'T understand. They're not pandemic experts, so they leave the expertise to the experts, and follow their advice. Also, they wouldn't recommend injecting disinfectants.
How can you be so sure injecting disinfectant won’t work? Have you tried it? All you libs knocking on something before you try it just because your precious “experts” are told to say it’s bad because orange man said it. :cry

[baseline bum]

How can you be so sure injecting disinfectant won’t work? Have you tried it? All you libs knocking on something before you try it just because your precious “experts” are told to say it’s bad because orange man said it. :cry

Please try and report back

[exstatic]

Please try and report back

A double dose, just to be sure you eradicate the virus, Bobo.

[Play Boban]

Please try and report back
I did. I was feeling some sniffles, thought a cold was coming on. But now I feel cleansed. I think I might have to start making this a weekly routine tbh.

[Play Boban]

A double dose, just to be sure you eradicate the virus, Bobo.
Good idea tbh. Might feel better than healthy with a deep cleansing.

[Frenchfred]

SARS was under Bush. Get your facts straight, lib!
I meant H1N1, my comment is still valid. He handled things better

[Play Boban]

I meant H1N1, my comment is still valid. He handled things better
H1N1 was not a bad one. Low rate of die

[Atl Spur]

H1N1 was not a bad one. Low rate of die

Still being silly I see sir! It’s wild how you seek attention .......

[MultiTroll]

Has Crater shown his status or commented on Corona since his Trump criticism?

[tholdren]

Going through the first few pages of this thread with Monday's newspaper is insightful. Some of my personal favorite takes;







Looks like the US, sadly, wasn't as invulnerable as projected by delusional Americans. Stay strong, stay safe, and stay inside, everyone.
Sadly you can't read. I always said older with preexisting conditions are and were vulnerable. This is still what the data shows and will always show no matter the disease. Go through any country or state by state data. A vast majority are older than 70 with 1 plus pre existing condition. If that ever changes, I will gladly applaud you for keeping me on the path to safety.

[tholdren]

1236125593290276864
Reminder of the tweet that began this debate.

[ChumpDumper]

Reminder of the tweet that began this debate.I'm going to assume that projection didn't factor in all the mitigation efforts that came after it was made. Would that be a fair assumption?

[tholdren]

I'm going to assume that projection didn't factor in all the mitigation efforts that came after it was made. Would that be a fair assumption?
No. In all recent assumptions since and leading up to the shut down of states in march, the cdc and health departments have been utilizing models that factored in social distancing measures, and have had to adjust those models numerous times. Which is their prerogative, but the numbers were off by too much, hence the furlouging of hospital employees and low hospital capacity numbers. Now its just about trying to save face as much as "save lives" which is, unfortunately what they have to do, but sad none the less.

[Play Boban]

Shut down the 5g towers and everyone would be cured...........funny how that works but government does nothing.....

[ChumpDumper]

No.You'll have to show me how that model was made since you claim to know it so intimately.

[Frenchfred]

Shut down the 5g towers and everyone would be cured...........funny how that works but government does nothing.....

many countries with no 5G have coronavirus. Just another stupid rumor

[Frenchfred]

Reminder of the tweet that began this debate.

still feasible. Already at 61000 only counting hospital deaths so the real number is over 100 000. Give it few more weeks and you’ll be around 200k.

[tholdren]

still feasible. Already at 61000 only counting hospital deaths so the real number is over 100 000. Give it few more weeks and you’ll be around 200k.
So in short, the modeling was off. The at risk are those always at risk, and good hygiene is the best means to protect. /thread

[tholdren]

You'll have to show me how that model was made since you claim to know it so intimately.
I've already done the research. Your problem, like the original post, is regurgitating bias and gossip. Shocking we are all still alive.

I see you are on the blame trump campaign, but why stop there. Typical NYC hospital ceos, like others, make 1 million a year. Why weren't they prepared? The cdc and who recs to not be obese, over half of the population is, which results in public health lockdowns like this.

The problem is personal responsibility or lack thereof. Look it up yourself. Stating assumptions as facts and not being researched makes you look simple, fwiw.

[ChumpDumper]

So in short, the modeling was off. The at risk are those always at risk, and good hygiene is the best means to protect. /threadActually, you're completely full of shit when you say the modeling took mitigation efforts into account.

The one you cited was presented February 27 and it was NOT the AHA's estimate. It was the work of a professor at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. So you missed the most basic fact about it.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/sites/default/files/documents/biocontainment/region-vii-dhre-webinar-lets-get-prepared-for-covid-19.pdf

Also there was a story in Mid-March about the CDC models as well.

One of the agency’s top disease modelers, Matthew Biggerstaff, presented the group on the phone call with four possible scenarios — A, B, C and D — based on characteristics of the virus, including estimates of how transmissible it is and the severity of the illness it can cause. The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.

The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.’s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the United States could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.

The assumptions fueling those scenarios are mitigated by the fact that cities, states, businesses and individuals are beginning to take steps to slow transmission, even if some are acting less aggressively than others. The C.D.C.-led effort is developing more sophisticated models showing how interventions might decrease the worst-case numbers, though their projections have not been made public.

“When people change their behavior," said Lauren Gardner, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering who models epidemics, “those model parameters are no longer applicable,” so short-term forecasts are likely to be more accurate. “There is a lot of room for improvement if we act appropriately.”

Those actions include testing for the virus, tracing contacts, and reducing human interactions by stopping mass gatherings, working from home and curbing travel. In just the last two days, multiple schools and colleges closed, sports events were halted or delayed, Broadway theaters went dark, companies barred employees from going to the office and more people said they were following hygiene recommendations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html

So you're COMPLETELY wrong when you claim those early models took mitigation efforts into consideration. The explicitly did not.

[ChumpDumper]

I've already done the research. :rollin

[tholdren]

:rollin

Thats odd, when you search for errors in covid 19 modeling you find lots including: The most notable bounces in the IHME projections have been for the eventual total of U.S. deaths by early August, which is when many epidemiologists believe the outbreak will be tailing off. (Many expect daily deaths in the U.S. to fall to 10 or fewer by early June, from 2,000 or so in April.) Death projections for individual states have also fluctuated significantly.

The IHME website explains that, “As data continue to come in, our estimates may change. Specifically, new death data … have changed our projections.”

Its model differs from those used by almost all other epidemiologists.

[ChumpDumper]

Thats odd, when you search for errors in covid 19 modeling you find lots including: The most notable bounces in the IHME projections have been for the eventual total of U.S. deaths by early August, which is when many epidemiologists believe the outbreak will be tailing off. (Many expect daily deaths in the U.S. to fall to 10 or fewer by early June, from 2,000 or so in April.) Death projections for individual states have also fluctuated significantly.

The IHME website explains that, “As data continue to come in, our estimates may change. Specifically, new death data … have changed our projections.”

Its model differs from those used by almost all other epidemiologists.Odd. You are moving the goalpost to later models from a different source.

Because you were completely wrong about the early models.:tu

Try not changing your own subject, OK?

[tholdren]

This is straight from the imperial college model that started all the fun modeling....
This would result in 81% of the US population, about 264 million people, contracting the disease. Of those, 2.2 million would die, including 4% to 8% of Americans over age 70. More important, by the second week in April, the demand for critical care beds would be 30 times greater than supply.

If mitigation practices are put in place, including a combination of case isolation, home quarantine, and social distancing of those most at risk (over age 70), the peak critical care demand would reduce by 60%, and there would be half the number of deaths. But this scenario still produces an eightfold demand on critical care beds above surge capacity.

[tholdren]

Actually, you're completely full of shit when you say the modeling took mitigation efforts into account.

The one you cited was presented February 27 and it was NOT the AHA's estimate. It was the work of a professor at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. So you missed the most basic fact about it.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/sites/default/files/documents/biocontainment/region-vii-dhre-webinar-lets-get-prepared-for-covid-19.pdf

Also there was a story in Mid-March about the CDC models as well.

One of the agency’s top disease modelers, Matthew Biggerstaff, presented the group on the phone call with four possible scenarios — A, B, C and D — based on characteristics of the virus, including estimates of how transmissible it is and the severity of the illness it can cause. The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.

The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.’s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the United States could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.

The assumptions fueling those scenarios are mitigated by the fact that cities, states, businesses and individuals are beginning to take steps to slow transmission, even if some are acting less aggressively than others. The C.D.C.-led effort is developing more sophisticated models showing how interventions might decrease the worst-case numbers, though their projections have not been made public.

“When people change their behavior," said Lauren Gardner, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering who models epidemics, “those model parameters are no longer applicable,” so short-term forecasts are likely to be more accurate. “There is a lot of room for improvement if we act appropriately.”

Those actions include testing for the virus, tracing contacts, and reducing human interactions by stopping mass gatherings, working from home and curbing travel. In just the last two days, multiple schools and colleges closed, sports events were halted or delayed, Broadway theaters went dark, companies barred employees from going to the office and more people said they were following hygiene recommendations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html

So you're COMPLETELY wrong when you claim those early models took mitigation efforts into consideration. The explicitly did not.

THE IMPERIAL COLLEGE MODEL DID.....but go on tell me more....

[tholdren]

At any rate models aren't supposed to be right, they are guesses. But I am sure you knew that.... but they were completely inaccurate guesses.

[ChumpDumper]

THE IMPERIAL COLLEGE MODEL DID.....but go on tell me more....:lmao Why did you cite the University of Nebraska model?

It's your research, dude. Why did you fuck it up?

[JuneJive]

Poor Americans.

No wonder the rest of the world perceives the majority of you as dumb people when you have a president like that.

He really is retarded.

The handling of the virus. Jeez. Godspeed.

[ChumpDumper]

THE IMPERIAL COLLEGE MODEL DID.....but go on tell me more....When was that model released?

Before or after February 27?

[baseline bum]

We're up to 27 deaths. A few more and we could pass a holiday weekend in Chicago. Quick go buy water and toilet paper. 34,000 people died from the flu last year but now it's time to panic.

And now 58,000 died from COVID-19 in the last month.

[baseline bum]

Poor Americans.

No wonder the rest of the world perceives the majority of you as dumb people when you have a president like that.

He really is retarded.

The handling of the virus. Jeez. Godspeed.

He's not retarded, he's evil. He doesn't value human life.

[tholdren]

:lmao Why did you cite the University of Nebraska model?

It's your research, dude. Why did you fuck it up?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/04/02/accuracy-of-estimate-of-100000-to-240000-covid-19-deaths-hinges-on-key-assumptions/

[tholdren]

:lmao Why did you cite the University of Nebraska model?

It's your research, dude. Why did you fuck it up?

I'm citing Mutiple models that are being used by the cdc to impose lockdown that included mitigation....

[tholdren]

This is what you wrote. So you're COMPLETELY wrong when you claim those early models took mitigation efforts into consideration. The explicitly did not....

This is incorrect. Not only did models of take into account distancing and isolation, they were updated numerous times and still innaccurate until about now. But again, that is expected and how modeling works.

The original post, which I was absolutely correct about. The original predictions were wrong. You need not worry if you have no pre existing conditions and you are not over 70. You salty

[tholdren]

Obviously you aren't educated on this topic. Start here. Probably easier for you than reading peer reviewed...
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/03/17/1584439125000/That-Imperial-coronavirus-report--in-detail-/

[tholdren]

when you are finished reading we should discuss more public health issues. This way we can start to proactively address issues rather than reactively infringe on others rights.

[Trainwreck2100]

And now 58,000 died from COVID-19 in the last month.

he tried measuring it in chicagos and now we are measuring them in vietnams

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2020/04/02/accuracy-of-estimate-of-100000-to-240000-covid-19-deaths-hinges-on-key-assumptions/:lmao April 2 now.

You're flailing.

Which one "started it all"?

You can only give one answer. So far you have like four.

[ChumpDumper]

This is what you wrote. So you're COMPLETELY wrong when you claim those early models took mitigation efforts into consideration. The explicitly did not....

This is incorrect. Not only did models of take into account distancing and isolation:lmao I showed you the receipts where they did not.

[ChumpDumper]

Obviously you aren't educated on this topic. Start here. Probably easier for you than reading peer reviewed...
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/03/17/1584439125000/That-Imperial-coronavirus-report--in-detail-/:lmao March 17

Could you please stick with one answer?

Which one "started it all"?

[Prose]

fuck trump

[tholdren]

:lmao I showed you the receipts where they did not.

I'm sorry you don't understand this.

[baseline bum]

he tried measuring it in chicagos and now we are measuring them in vietnams

Fuck :lol

[baseline bum]

Yeah 52 is in the 10's. I am right. Do we really need to keep covering that for you?

60,000 now dumbfuck

[tholdren]

:lmao March 17

Could you please stick with one answer?

Which one "started it all"?
Oh my. You get proven wrong so many times you can't keep up
The original tweet that I linked started this extensively long thread.....
My response to the tweet was that only older and persons with preexisting conditions would need to be careful.

You then said that the original models did not use mitigation as an outcome.

I responded that, in fact they did. The original model that was used is the imperial college, which started, and is a major factor in federal and state restrictions, did include mitigation.

Its sad that you don't understand that models have many assumptions regarding the data. Models including mitigation versus do nothing, are why the government has intervened.

Similarly multiple models, which you say have never changed, including Washington and Ohio state models, have changed dramatically from the beginning.

*** again all.models change with new data... it is what models do *** please stop spreading gossip. Read up on modeling. Be hygienic, which again is the main mitigation. But seemingly you did not understand this at the beginning. Oh well you are learning.

[tholdren]

60,000 now dumbfuck
How many died of coronavirus but nothing else?

[baseline bum]

How many died of coronavirus but nothing else?

Like saying how many died of AIDS but nothing else.

[baseline bum]

Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....

Deaths in US from COVID-19 in last month 58,000.

[tholdren]

Like saying how many died of AIDS but nothing else.
Not really. But if that makes you uncomfortable, let's talk about age. Do you know the average life expectancy is 78? Do you know that the vast majority of coronavirus deaths are in the 75 plus age range? These people need protection and extra caution. Similarly those who have died from this, again a majority, have an underlying health condition. Do your best to be hygeinic around these folks, same as before this pandemic.

[baseline bum]

Not really. But if that makes you uncomfortable, let's talk about age. Do you know the average life expectancy is 78? Do you know that the vast majority of coronavirus deaths are in the 75 plus age range? These people need protection and extra caution. Similarly those who have died from this, again a majority, have an underlying health condition. Do your best to be hygeinic around these folks, same as before this pandemic.

Not really? COVID causing pneumonia is the main killer. LOL your flu comment. So don't breathe nor talk around old people at any time?

[tholdren]

Not really? COVID causes pneumonia which is the main killer. LOL your flu comment. So don't breathe nor talk around old people at any time?
I didn't say anything about the flu in that quote. Additionally the virus isn't proven to be spread by talking. I mean bioaeresols could travel 4 inches, but I would be interested to read if that could be possible. But going back to the main point, if you aren't 70 and have a preexisting condition it won't matter if you get it, in terms of dying.

[baseline bum]

I didn't say anything about the flu in that quote. Additionally the virus isn't proven to be spread by talking. I mean bioaeresols could travel 4 inches, but I would be interested to read if that could be possible. But going back to the main point, if you aren't 70 and have a preexisting condition it won't matter if you get it, in terms of dying.


Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....

And the virus has been shown to be spread airborne. That church choir in Seattle was the first known case of it.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh my. You get proven wrong so many times you can't keep up
The original tweet that I linked started this extensively long thread.....
My response to the tweet was that only older and persons with preexisting conditions would need to be careful.

You then said that the original models did not use mitigation as an outcome.

I responded that, in fact they did. The original model that was used is the imperial college, which started, and is a major factor in federal and state restrictions, did include mitigation.

Its sad that you don't understand that models have many assumptions regarding the data. Models including mitigation versus do nothing, are why the government has intervened.

Similarly multiple models, which you say have never changed, including Washington and Ohio state models, have changed dramatically from the beginning.

*** again all.models change with new data... it is what models do *** please stop spreading gossip. Read up on modeling. Be hygienic, which again is the main mitigation. But seemingly you did not understand this at the beginning. Oh well you are learning.So you're sticking with the fourth model you talked about? Not the first or second or third?

Go ahead and make yourself clear.

Say "I wasn't talking about that model I claimed was from the AHA when it was actually from the University of Nebraska even though I posted this:"



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Reminder of the tweet that began this debate.

"but I meant this other thing I didn't mention at all until I was shown how wrong I was with everything else."

Can you do that?

I'll believe you, but you need to tell everyone what you meant when you reposted the figures from the University of Nebraska model you mistakenly thought were AHA figures and NOT anything else