Popovich rips Trump over coronavirus response

[tholdren]

Not really? COVID causing pneumonia is the main killer. LOL your flu comment. So don't breathe nor talk around old people at any time?

Also, flu causes pneumonia. That's also why people die....

[Leetonidas]

Oh look that old retard is back :lol

[tholdren]

And the virus has been shown to be spread airborne. That church choir in Seattle was the first known case of it.
Covid may very well end up being more fatal than the flu time will tell. Covid is still hitting a demographic that is always at risk to any illness. Its unfortunate to say the least.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't say anything about the flu in that quote. Additionally the virus isn't proven to be spread by talking. I mean bioaeresols could travel 4 inches, but I would be interested to read if that could be possible. But going back to the main point, if you aren't 70 and have a preexisting condition it won't matter if you get it, in terms of dying.Unless, of course, you die.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh look that old retard is back :lolIt looks like he's been in a coma for the last six weeks tbh.

[baseline bum]

Covid may very well end up being more fatal than the flu time will tell. Covid is still hitting a demographic that is always at risk to any illness. Its unfortunate to say the least.

When did the flu kill 58,000 in one month?

[tholdren]

Unless, of course, you die.
Sure if you're 70plus and or have a preexisting condition... an interesting study regarding life and aging.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure if you're 70plus and or have a preexisting condition... an interesting study regarding life and aging.It's "and or" now?

I didn't say anything about the flu in that quote. Additionally the virus isn't proven to be spread by talking. I mean bioaeresols could travel 4 inches, but I would be interested to read if that could be possible. But going back to the main point, if you aren't 70 and have a preexisting condition it won't matter if you get it, in terms of dying.

Are you just sloppy or stupid?

Sorry, sloppy and/or stupid?

[tholdren]

When did the flu kill 58,000 in one month?
I think flu season is oct through the first week of May. 2017 2018 had 61k deaths, so covid is right there. The problem lies on the associated with death. Just like the flu, attributing to and listed as cause. We are seeing the same thing with covid. Like the 100 percent actual death rate, we will never know for either virus. Such is life.

[baseline bum]

I think flu season is oct through the first week of May. 2017 2018 had 61k deaths, so covid is right there. The problem lies on the associated with death. Just like the flu, attributing to and listed as cause. We are seeing the same thing with covid. Like the 100 percent actual death rate, we will never know for either virus. Such is life.

LOL COVID Truthers

[ChumpDumper]

How does 61,000 in 7 months = 61,000 in 1 month?

[tholdren]

It's "and or" now?


Are you just sloppy or stupid?

Sorry, sloppy and/or stupid?
Neither. The people who are dying from this are just like the people who are dying from other diseases. You age, your risk goes up. You age, your chance of having another issue increases.

For instance Iin ny. There are 165k confirmed cases. There are probably more, right? Sure. 0lage 0 through 20. 3 have died. All 3 had underlying conditions. So your risk is extremely low either way. Your risk seems to be 0 to die if you get it In that range with no conditions. BUT if you have a pre existing condition, just like with any other illness, your response to that virus will be worse. In this case, for that age range, you have a

.001 percent chance of death. And that is being extremely generous.

[ChumpDumper]

Neither. The people who are dying from this are just like the people who are dying from other diseases. You age, your risk goes up. You age, your chance of having another issue increases.

For instance Iin ny. There are 165k confirmed cases. There are probably more, right? Sure. 0lage 0 through 20. 3 have died. All 3 had underlying conditions. So your risk is extremely low either way. Your risk seems to be 0 to die if you get it In that range with no conditions. BUT if you have a pre existing condition, just like with any other illness, your response to that virus will be worse. In this case, for that age range, you have a

.001 percent chance of death. And that is being extremely generous.So you meant "and or" and you're pretending you didn't say just "and."


I'll go with both.

[tholdren]

How does 61,000 in 7 months = 61,000 in 1 month?

It doesnt. But the point is both of the viruses are attributed factors of death.

So let's say you have the flu. You get covid. You die. Your cause of death is covid in the stats. It's true, but its also not.

It's like alcohol related fatalities stats. You and I go to the bar. Your my designated driver. A sober person crashes into you and kills us. It's counted as an alcohol related fataility. Why?

Same thing here. But again, let's move the conversation. Do you think the shut down is appropriate?

[tholdren]

So you meant "and or" and you're pretending you didn't say just "and."


I'll go with both.
You have a preexisting health condition your risk of death is always higher. Read the post. The risk is either 0 or.001. Higher risk, statistically, but not a big deal.

[ChumpDumper]

It doesnt. But the point is both of the viruses are attributed factors of death.

So let's say you have the flu. You get covid. You die. Your cause of death is covid in the stats. It's true, but its also not.

It's like alcohol related fatalities stats. You and I go to the bar. Your my designated driver. A sober person crashes into you and kills us. It's counted as an alcohol related fataility. Why?

Same thing here.Except it's not.


But again, let's move the conversation. Do you think the shut down is appropriate?Absolutely since you had no idea what this virus was and how it worked. I say "you" because you specifically had no idea and that's all that seems to matter to you.

[ChumpDumper]

You have a preexisting health condition your risk of death is always higher. Read the post. The risk is either 0 or.001. Higher risk, statistically, but not a big deal.What percentage of people in the US have a preexisting condition?

Quantify not a big deal.

[BacktoBasics]

Covid may very well end up being more fatal than the flu time will tell. Covid is still hitting a demographic that is always at risk to any illness. Its unfortunate to say the least.

I guess you felt that enough time has passed after those god awful early posts you made.

It hasn’t and you look as bad as ever for coming back and spouting off again.

[tholdren]

Except it's not.

Absolutely since you had no idea what this virus was and how it worked. I say "you" because you specifically had no idea and that's all that seems to matter to you.
It is. And I did. I explained to you, that elderly and chronic conditions were at risk. The 85 percent would be fine. You did not. I am right. You are wrong. You can't even read the models. You sad.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess you felt that enough time has passed after those god awful early posts you made.

It hasn’t and you look as bad as ever for coming back and spouting off again.:lol he's trying to say he was right all along by fucking up every other post now.

[ChumpDumper]

It is. And I did. I explained to you, that elderly and chronic conditions were at risk. The 85 percent would be fine. You did not. I am right. You are wrong. You can't even read the models. You sad.What was your model March 1?

What is your current model?

[tholdren]

What percentage of people in the US have a preexisting condition?

Quantify not a big deal.

Well if you are in that age group a big deal is less than a hundredth of a percent.

[ChumpDumper]

Well if you are in that age group a big deal is less than a hundredth of a percent.

What percentage of people in the US have a preexisting condition?

[tholdren]

What was your model March 1?

What is your current model?

All predictions are models. Thays what a model is. My prediction was that of you had a preexisting condition and were plus 70 then you should take extra caution in public. Since you are scouring my posts to try and twist them around, just repost. Fine with me, just make sure you do it on context, which you seemingly have problems doing.

[tholdren]

What percentage of people in the US have a preexisting condition?
Not sure. You,?

[tholdren]

The government has a great platform to educate people on the dangers of self inflicted chronic illnesses, they haven't touched this at all. To much bickering and trying to blame others. While fun on this site, the conversation needs to be shifted to preventative health measures, rather than overreaching government. Sad it takes death to initiate change.

[ChumpDumper]

All predictions are models. Thays what a model is. My prediction was that of you had a preexisting condition and were plus 70 then you should take extra caution in public. Since you are scouring my posts to try and twist them around, just repost. Fine with me, just make sure you do it on context, which you seemingly have problems doing.So you had no model then and you have no model now.


Not sure.Your hindsight judgments on public policy are based on things you still don't know.

[ChumpDumper]

The government has a great platform to educate people on the dangers of self inflicted chronic illnesses, they haven't touched this at all. To much bickering and trying to blame others. While fun on this site, the conversation needs to be shifted to preventative health measures, rather than overreaching government. Sad it takes death to initiate change.Which preventive measures are you talking about that haven't been addressed?

[tholdren]

So you had no model then and you have no model now.

Your hindsight judgments on public policy are based on things you still don't know.

My model was exactly what I said in the post above. It would be similar to Sweden. The public policy enacted has significantly altered and possibly ruined millions of lives including children, has increased poverty, lowered overall mental health, increased other health risks, and has done damage to the economy that may or may not result in even more of the following. The response will never be able to prove, what, if any lives were saved. Nor has the government addressed the dangers of unhealthy lifestyles which added to those the government shut down to assist.

[ChumpDumper]

My model was exactly what I said in the post above.What was your projected death count March 1?

[tholdren]

Again, its a reactive response that does not do anything to solve the real problem. What happens next flu season? If there is a vax and it works as well as the flu vax, was it worth it? Lots of things to think about. Your conversation should shift to what can be done rather than parroting Twitter, blaming political parties, etc.
Read.

[ChumpDumper]

Again, its a reactive response that does not do anything to solve the real problem. What happens next flu season? If there is a vax and it works as well as the flu vax, was it worth it? Lots of things to think about. Your conversation should shift to what can be done rather than parroting Twitter, blaming political parties, etc.
Read.Again, what was your projected death count March 1?

[tholdren]

What was your projected death count March 1?
Not the original tweet that was posted. Which is why I responded and said if you aren't 80 and do not have a preexisting condition you are fine. Don't you remember all of my wash your hands posts that you said wasn't effective?

Again why don't you do something productive and post about what people can do rather than just responding in questions? Read about modeling, read about aging, read about viral infections.

[baseline bum]

But going back to the main point, if you aren't 70 and have a preexisting condition it won't matter if you get it, in terms of dying.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4uEGdK8rQ0

[ChumpDumper]

Not the original tweet that was posted. Which is why I responded and said if you aren't 80 and do not have a preexisting condition you are fine. Don't you remember all of my wash your hands posts that you said wasn't effective?

Again why don't you do something productive and post about what people can do rather than just responding in questions? Read about modeling, read about aging, read about viral infections.So your model can't even make a guess at deaths?

Your model is a shitty model.

No one would use your model.

[tholdren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4uEGdK8rQ0

Not sure what you want here. She survived. Put more effort into helping others not blaming someone who is only the face, not the operator, of the country. Add Sweden to your list. They did less than Trump.

[tholdren]

So your model can't even make a guess at deaths?

Your model is a shitty model.

No one would use your model.

Sweden did.

[baseline bum]

Not sure what you want here. She survived. Put more effort into helping others not blaming someone who is only the face, not the operator, of the country. Add Sweden to your list. They did less than Trump.

She died for two minutes and was lucky to be brought back. But keep minimizing this virus like a good Trumptard.

[tholdren]

She died for two minutes and was lucky to be brought back. But keep minimizing this virus like a good Trumptard.

So she survived. Gotcha

[baseline bum]

So she survived. Gotcha

She wasn't 70 and was critical. But no worry, COVID was nothing to her.

[ChumpDumper]

Sweden did.No, they used their model.

Your model is a piece of shit.

[tholdren]

No, they used their model.

You're model is a piece of shit.

You're lol. #iwinagian.

[tholdren]

She wasn't 70 and was critical. But no worry, COVID was nothing to her.
So you're sad she survived? That is strange.

[baseline bum]

So you're sad she survived? That is strange.

So heart attack is nothing to worry about?

[Play Boban]

many countries with no 5G have coronavirus. Just another stupid rumor
It’s not a rumor if it’s true

[tholdren]

So heart attack is nothing to worry about?
If you get sick from anything it is not pleasant. If you get the flu, it is not pleasant. If you get coronavirus 85 percent of people will not go to the hospital. She is one of the 15 percent, unfortunately. Even if she needed medical treatment, the stats show her demographic has an extremely low chance of death. Fortunately, she will be included in that stat. I'm sorry that this is affecting you emotionally to the point of fear. Just be sanitary and hygienic, you will be okay.

[Play Boban]

Musks starlink satellites are beaming Coronavirus down on all the earth

[Play Boban]

Every death is counted as a Corona death now

A person gets run over by a bus in nyc and that’s a corona death really??? Shouldn’t be but it be

[tholdren]

Musks starlink satellites are beaming Coronavirus down on all the earth

Elon is really donald trump time traveling. You know that, right?

[baseline bum]

If you get sick from anything it is not pleasant. If you get the flu, it is not pleasant. If you get coronavirus 85 percent of people will not go to the hospital. She is one of the 15 percent, unfortunately. Even if she needed medical treatment, the stats show her demographic has an extremely low chance of death. Fortunately, she will be included in that stat. I'm sorry that this is affecting you emotionally to the point of fear. Just be sanitary and hygienic, you will be okay.

I thought you just said no one under 70 needs to be concerned about this virus if they don't have underlying health problems? Strokes no big deal either amirite?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmHG87QanEE

LOL Trumptard calling someone emotional for correcting their minimization of this virus that has killed 61,668 Americans in barely a month and will kill many many more over the next months.

[daslicer]

I thought you just said no one under 70 needs to be concerned about this virus if they don't have underlying health problems? Strokes no big deal either amirite?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmHG87QanEE

LOL Trumptard calling someone emotional for correcting their minimization of this virus that has killed 61,668 Americans in barely a month and will kill many many more over the next months.

Great point even if you are healthy you may get some awful side effects from this disease such as a heart attack, stroke, lung damage.

[tholdren]

I thought you just said no one under 70 needs to be concerned about this virus if they don't have underlying health problems? Strokes no big deal either amirite?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmHG87QanEE

LOL Trumptard calling someone emotional for correcting their minimization of this virus that has killed 61,668 Americans in barely a month and will kill many many more over the next months.
So 2. 2 had no underlying conditions. And he said they were afraid to seek help?. Interesting, but they survived, right? Something to continue to read about for sure. Still doesn't do anything to my opinion unless those numbers increase.

I understand that this is scary for you, but why name-calling? I didn't vote for Trump, nor am I blaming anyone other than China for allowing wet markets to occur. Do you expect everyone to live forever? Why so concerned about this virus and not other reasons of death? I think many people are emotional right now because this brings to the forefront the uncertainty of morality. Very interesting how people react to this.

[baseline bum]

Great point even if you are healthy you may get some awful side effects from this disease such as a heart attack, stroke, lung damage.

Typical Trumptard response from tholdren though. Pointing out a healthy twelve year old nearly getting put in the ground by COVID-19 is somehow rooting that it killed her. Same bullshit that missing faggot palangi accused me of when I was showing how bad Italy's deathrate was and how the main term governing the speed of our exponential was even worse than Italy's. And low and behold that higher term for the exponential led us to having way more deaths than Italy.

[baseline bum]

So 2. 2 had no underlying conditions. And he said they were afraid to seek help?. Interesting, but they survived, right? Something to continue to read about for sure. Still doesn't do anything to my opinion unless those numbers increase.

I understand that this is scary for you, but why name-calling? I didn't vote for Trump, nor am I blaming anyone other than China for allowing wet markets to occur. Do you expect everyone to live forever? Why so concerned about this virus and not other reasons of death? I think many people are emotional right now because this brings to the forefront the uncertainty of morality. Very interesting how people react to this.

Interesting how none of the right wingers on spurstalk voted for Trump yet he has a 100% approval rate with board conservatives. I'm calling bullshit since you're just echoing all the stupid shit our Dear Leader was. Why are you even telling people to wash their hands now if you don't fear SARSCov2? Nearly 62,000 Americans dead in a bit more than a month from a novel virus almost no one has immunity to is no big deal. Right.

[tholdren]

Typical Trumptard response from therolden though. Pointing out a healthy twelve year old nearly getting put in the ground by COVID-19 is somehow rooting that it killed her. Same bullshit that missing faggot palangi accused me of when I was showing how bad Italy's deathrate was and how the main term governing the speed of our exponential was even worse than Italy's. And low and behold that higher term for the exponential led us to having more deaths than Italy.

In Italy there were 60 deaths 40 and under
Over 95 percent 60 and older
Early studies show that over 95 percent of their deaths had preexisting conditions....

Do you believe that there are only cases that are confirmed, or do you think there are cases out there that haven't been confirmed?

[ChumpDumper]

So 2. 2 had no underlying conditions. And he said they were afraid to seek help?. Interesting, but they survived, right? Something to continue to read about for sure. Still doesn't do anything to my opinion unless those numbers increase.

I understand that this is scary for you, but why name-calling? I didn't vote for Trump, nor am I blaming anyone other than China for allowing wet markets to occur. Do you expect everyone to live forever? Why so concerned about this virus and not other reasons of death? I think many people are emotional right now because this brings to the forefront the uncertainty of morality. Very interesting how people react to this.How many deaths did your model call for in March again? You get very emotional when you're asked direct questions, so please just answer it without all the song and dance and crying, OK?

[tholdren]

How many deaths did your model call for in March again? You get very emotional when you're asked direct questions, so please just answer it without all the song and dance and crying, OK?
Lol you lowered your post count. I understand you can't read the original modeling projections, but that isn't a reason to get so uptight. You thought 94 million deaths were possible. I get it. Its scary when something new happens and you get out on information overload. But you have to read about it, so you aren't just liking tweets and regurgitating. Its okay. Like I said, instead of getting all worked up and triggered, do some good and try to co.e up with conversation that will.move things forward. Name-calling and being aloof has run its course 107k times. Good night.

[ChumpDumper]

I understand you can't read the original modeling projections, but that isn't a reason to get so uptight. You thought 94 million deaths were possible.You're going to have to prove your claim here. There's no need for you to lie about what I said after lying so much about what you said. I know you get emotional when I and others prove you wrong with your own words but you need to be honest with yourself first.

[Spurs Homer]

Trumptards apologize profusely?

or

trumptards moved goalposts?

im guessing det goalpost got moved...

[ChumpDumper]

What percentage of people in the US have a preexisting condition?

Not sure. You,?More than a third of American adults — or 105 million people — are at higher risk of serious illness if they get infected with the coronavirus, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation analysis of CDC data. For most of them, their age puts them in danger: More than 76 million Americans are 60 or older. The remaining 29 million people are younger but have underlying health issues.

https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/pre-existing-inequality-could-make-coronavirus-hit-some-harder/

These people know more than you do.

[Frenchfred]

So in short, the modeling was off. The at risk are those always at risk, and good hygiene is the best means to protect. /thread

Models based on human behavior have a tendency to be wrong as humans react differently especially if you tell them of a potential outcome. Saying that, as long as the USA won't count deaths outside of hospitals, it'll be hard to tell the real numbers and I don't expect the Trump administration to be transparent, quite the opposite in fact, he is not known to tell the truth.

[Frenchfred]

I think flu season is oct through the first week of May. 2017 2018 had 61k deaths, so covid is right there. The problem lies on the associated with death. Just like the flu, attributing to and listed as cause. We are seeing the same thing with covid. Like the 100 percent actual death rate, we will never know for either virus. Such is life.

again, you are only taking into account deaths in hospitals which far from reality. So how can you compare two things when you don't have the real numbers? Based on European countries that take nursing homes deaths into account, you can add 40000 and you still don't have people who died at home (estimated at another 40% of the total in hospitals in France) so you could be already around 130 000 in the US, more than just a flu when applying confinement

[Frenchfred]

Every death is counted as a Corona death now

A person gets run over by a bus in nyc and that’s a corona death really??? Shouldn’t be but it be

another republican conspiracy floating around I guess? The US like most countries underestimate the number of deaths, the US don't count deaths outside of hospitals.

[Frenchfred]

It’s not a rumor if it’s true

it is not true but republicans love to believe in sh!t like that.

[ElNono]

I'm not familiar with the laws regarding this, but do mentally challenged adults have caregivers or family that can be legally responsible for their actions? Or is it all on the individual? Because whoever is giving tholdren internet access should be charged, if possible..

[TimDunkem]

Goddamn. Everyone took a wet shit on that retard tholdren. :lol

[exstatic]

Great point even if you are healthy you may get some awful side effects from this disease such as a heart attack, stroke, lung damage.

Add nerve damage to the list. Those heart attacks and strokes can be fatal, too. They now know that Rona sometimes causes coagulopathy (clotting) that will cause those heart attacks and strokes. And they're young people, not overweight, not diabetic, in other words, no pre-existing conditions.

[pad300]

again, you are only taking into account deaths in hospitals which far from reality. So how can you compare two things when you don't have the real numbers? Based on European countries that take nursing homes deaths into account, you can add 40000 and you still don't have people who died at home (estimated at another 40% of the total in hospitals in France) so you could be already around 130 000 in the US, more than just a flu when applying confinement

Not too sure I believe you about who's being counted and who isn't.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-adds-3-700-death-204223020.html

"(Bloomberg) -- New York City added thousands of people to its coronavirus death toll to account for victims who died in recent weeks without a confirmed diagnosis.

...

The city’s Health Department published official statistics Tuesday afternoon reporting 6,589 confirmed Covid-19 deaths as of Monday at 4 p.m. The data released Tuesday showed among the newly counted victims, 60% died while hospitalized before test results could confirm a diagnosis. Another 22% died at home, 18% in nursing homes or hospice, and less than 1% were dead on arrival at hospitals."

Do I need to dig out the Reagan quote again?

[exstatic]

Not too sure I believe you about who's being counted and who isn't.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-adds-3-700-death-204223020.html

"(Bloomberg) -- New York City added thousands of people to its coronavirus death toll to account for victims who died in recent weeks without a confirmed diagnosis.

...

The city’s Health Department published official statistics Tuesday afternoon reporting 6,589 confirmed Covid-19 deaths as of Monday at 4 p.m. The data released Tuesday showed among the newly counted victims, 60% died while hospitalized before test results could confirm a diagnosis. Another 22% died at home, 18% in nursing homes or hospice, and less than 1% were dead on arrival at hospitals."

Do I need to dig out the Reagan quote again?

Do we need to dig out the Trump 15 -> 0 quote again?

[pad300]

So I got busy for a while, but:


Neither Baseline Bum nor ChumpDumper has dared answer my 5 questions. It's like they're afraid...

So here they are again:
1) When was the last time a presidential candidate was forced out of a speaking engagement in a major city by threats of violence?
2) Did the mayor of the city or the governor of the state support the candidate speaking and pull out all the stops to keep order, or did they give in to the threats without trying to resist?
3) Which party was the presidential candidate from? Which party did the mayor and the governor belong to?
4) Is this a major violation of the constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly?
5) Has such a thing happened to a presidential candidate of the other party after 1900? Ever?

Given you're too scared to answer, I'll answer them for you
1) Chicago, 2016.
2) Definitely did not go to the wall for this. I may have missed it, but neither of their offices so much as issued a statement calling for the demonstrators to avoid violence... If they needed manpower, this would be a legitimate use the Illinois National Guard.
3) Don Trump of course, Republican. Then Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) and Bruce Rauner (RINO, definitely anti-Trump; supports abortion, automatic voter registration, sanctuary state status).
4) YES. Not just Trump right to free speech, but also his supporters right to free assembly to hear free speech - that's thousands of people's civil rights on the night.
5) I am not aware of a similar incident in the history of the United States.

[pad300]

So what does this mean in the larger context.

The current democrat party is unwilling to extend civil rights to their political opponents. Consider the following examples (not an exhaustive list):

Free Speech
1) Don Trump in Chicago ,
2) 2012 IRS Targeting
It’s been getting worse – now they are jumping non-political speech, because it might support their opposition
3) AytuBioScience and their Healight video on youtube. It was pulled for “Violating Community Standards”. Which means people (democrat activists) complained about it, saying it was a fake. It’s not. But they don’t care – if it supports republicans, your not allowed to say it.

The Fourth Amendment – “The right of the people to be secure …against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause…”
1) Carter Page – the FISA court bullshit to spy on the Trump campaign
2) Adam Schiff – Issued SECRET subpoenas for opponents phone records. Secret subpoena’s can’t be contested in court because you don’t’ know about them. This is a warrantless search.

Due Process Rights
1) Mike Flynn
2) Ted Stevens

Equality before the Law
1) Hillary Clinton. Even if you think her security violations werent’ criminal, consider he subpoena response.
2) Tim “turbotax” Geithner
3) Antifa violence. You think a group of masked right wing thugs would get their pass?

The Second Amendment – yes I know you disagree with it:
1) Beto O’Rourke – "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."
2) Joe Biden - “You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.”, speaking about Beto O’Rourke.

It is clear that the Democrat party has decided that their political power is more important than their opponents civil rights. There are only a few possible outcomes from this:
1) They get sane and quit it. This only happens if they crushed by their left wing base saying this behaviour is not acceptable.
2) They take permanent power through this corruption, becoming a US version of the PRI. That functionally kills the Constitution – end of the republic. It also probably ends in another civil war.
3) We fight a second civil war – also quite possibly killing the constitution.

The US has demonstrated it can survive plagues, foreign dictators and geo political opponents. But one of our 2 political parties deciding the founding documents (Constitution & Declaration of Independence) just aren’t relevant any more? That’s a recipe for another civil war.

[pad300]

Do we need to dig out the Trump 15 -> 0 quote again?

You do that.
1) I can't even remember what you're referring too.
2) Have I ever told you that Trump does not bullshit? NO. I just think he's lesser of two evils.

[Play Boban]

More than a third of American adults — or 105 million people — are at higher risk of serious illness if they get infected with the coronavirus, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation analysis of CDC data. For most of them, their age puts them in danger: More than 76 million Americans are 60 or older. The remaining 29 million people are younger but have underlying health issues.

https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/pre-existing-inequality-could-make-coronavirus-hit-some-harder/

These people know more than you do.
Lots of Americans are fat, we know. Especially in San Antonio

[Play Boban]

another republican conspiracy floating around I guess? The US like most countries underestimate the number of deaths, the US don't count deaths outside of hospitals.
Fake news frienchie

[Frenchfred]

Fake news frienchie

for sure
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html

[Frenchfred]

Fake news frienchie

so fake
https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.gq.com/story/american-coronavirus-deaths-undercounted/amp

[baseline bum]

It is clear that the Democrat party has decided that their political power is more important than their opponents civil rights.

The party of the voter ID poll tax really trying to make this argument. :lmao

[exstatic]

The party of the voter ID poll tax really trying to make this argument. :lmao

The party that refuse to even have a Senate trial with witnesses. If it's such a slam dunk case of injustice, it would have been a boat race to acquit him after a full trial, not a sham vote.

[baseline bum]

The party that refuse to even have a Senate trial with witnesses. If it's such a slam dunk case of injustice, it would have been a boat race to acquit him after a full trial, not a sham vote.

:cry But did you know our Confederate Heroes the Confederates were Democrats? :cry

[ChumpDumper]

So what does this mean in the larger context.

The current democrat party is unwilling to extend civil rights to their political opponents. Consider the following examples (not an exhaustive list):

Free Speech
1) Don Trump in Chicago ,
2) 2012 IRS Targeting
It’s been getting worse – now they are jumping non-political speech, because it might support their opposition
3) AytuBioScience and their Healight video on youtube. It was pulled for “Violating Community Standards”. Which means people (democrat activists) complained about it, saying it was a fake. It’s not. But they don’t care – if it supports republicans, your not allowed to say it.

The Fourth Amendment – “The right of the people to be secure …against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause…”
1) Carter Page – the FISA court bullshit to spy on the Trump campaign
2) Adam Schiff – Issued SECRET subpoenas for opponents phone records. Secret subpoena’s can’t be contested in court because you don’t’ know about them. This is a warrantless search.

Due Process Rights
1) Mike Flynn
2) Ted Stevens

Equality before the Law
1) Hillary Clinton. Even if you think her security violations werent’ criminal, consider he subpoena response.
2) Tim “turbotax” Geithner
3) Antifa violence. You think a group of masked right wing thugs would get their pass?

The Second Amendment – yes I know you disagree with it:
1) Beto O’Rourke – "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."
2) Joe Biden - “You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.”, speaking about Beto O’Rourke.

It is clear that the Democrat party has decided that their political power is more important than their opponents civil rights. There are only a few possible outcomes from this:
1) They get sane and quit it. This only happens if they crushed by their left wing base saying this behaviour is not acceptable.
2) They take permanent power through this corruption, becoming a US version of the PRI. That functionally kills the Constitution – end of the republic. It also probably ends in another civil war.
3) We fight a second civil war – also quite possibly killing the constitution.

The US has demonstrated it can survive plagues, foreign dictators and geo political opponents. But one of our 2 political parties deciding the founding documents (Constitution & Declaration of Independence) just aren’t relevant any more? That’s a recipe for another civil war.

That's a list of your grievances, not any proof of anything.

Meanwhile, your boys are claiming absolute power and talking about suspending constitutional rights during the pandemic and you say that doesn't count because reasons.

[ChumpDumper]

Not too sure I believe you about who's being counted and who isn't.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-adds-3-700-death-204223020.html

"(Bloomberg) -- New York City added thousands of people to its coronavirus death toll to account for victims who died in recent weeks without a confirmed diagnosis.

...

The city’s Health Department published official statistics Tuesday afternoon reporting 6,589 confirmed Covid-19 deaths as of Monday at 4 p.m. The data released Tuesday showed among the newly counted victims, 60% died while hospitalized before test results could confirm a diagnosis. Another 22% died at home, 18% in nursing homes or hospice, and less than 1% were dead on arrival at hospitals."

Do I need to dig out the Reagan quote again?
Only three states are trying to count deaths at home so far.

[baseline bum]

The Second Amendment – yes I know you disagree with it:
1) Donald Trump – "Hell, yes, we took your bump stocks."


fify son, but he's got the Magic R next to his name on the ballot so doesn't matter

[ducks]

Trump gets bump in latest Gallup Poll:
49% approval (+6, tied for his best)
47% disapproval (-7)

[Frenchfred]

Trump gets bump in latest Gallup Poll:
49% approval (+6, tied for his best)
47% disapproval (-7)

that reflects poorly on the intelligence of the american people unfortunately. I guess that people like the taste of Lysol

[Play Boban]

for sure
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html
NY Times is trash

[Play Boban]

so fake
https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.gq.com/story/american-coronavirus-deaths-undercounted/amp
A fashion magazine :lol

[baseline bum]

that reflects poorly on the intelligence of the american people unfortunately. I guess that people like the taste of Lysol

You want to see something really sick? The governor of Maryland is using their state police and national guard to stop Trump from stealing the tests the state got from South Korea. Because Trump has been stealing PPE from states after they procure it. But Trump is doing a great job.

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1255922620832329729

[Play Boban]

I was at the store today and people were spitting on each other who cares

[Sugus]

Absolutely wild to see American posters saying the pandemic is "no big deal" when they're creeping up to 65 THOUSAND deaths in a month and rapidly rising. And even IF the risk of death for people aged 20 was "00.1%" (not a number that I trust but whatever) - don't you all have families? Parents or grandparents, and otherwise elderly members? It's kind of fucked up to dismiss the disease because it's most mortal to older people. And now that we know even young, healthy people can get life-changing respiratory conditions from Covid-19..... Damn.

But sure, washing hands definitely prevents 100% of infections. I wonder how 60k people never thought of that. This thread was funnier when deaths were very low, it's kind of sad now. Stay safe everyone.

[daslicer]

Absolutely wild to see American posters saying the pandemic is "no big deal" when they're creeping up to 65 THOUSAND deaths in a month and rapidly rising. And even IF the risk of death for people aged 20 was "00.1%" (not a number that I trust but whatever) - don't you all have families? Parents or grandparents, and otherwise elderly members? It's kind of fucked up to dismiss the disease because it's most mortal to older people. And now that we know even young, healthy people can get life-changing respiratory conditions from Covid-19..... Damn.

But sure, washing hands definitely prevents 100% of infections. I wonder how 60k people never thought of that. This thread was funnier when deaths were very low, it's kind of sad now. Stay safe everyone.

Money will cause people to act crazy and stupid. I can give a pass for this craziness by some of these posters if and only if they can't work because of this pandemic. Now if you are fortunate enough that you can work from home and are still bitching about being on a lock down than there is something wrong and clearly sinister about you.

[Atl Spur]

Money will cause people to act crazy and stupid. I can give a pass for this craziness by some of these posters if and only if they can't work because of this pandemic. Now if you are fortunate enough that you can work from home and are still bitching about being on a lock down than there is something wrong and clearly sinister about you.

I give them no pass; they are being clowns for the sake of argument!

[Atl Spur]

Money should not shape your character........

[daslicer]

I give them no pass; they are being clowns for the sake of argument!

I agree that they are clowns.

[daslicer]

Money should not shape your character........

In a perfect world it would be like that. I definitely feel that way. Unfortunately a majority of people are defined by it.

[Frenchfred]

NY Times is trash

I can do it all day, as I said the facts are that the US are grossly underestimating their deaths and Trump criticized China :rolleyes I'm probably sure that all the republican governors are hiding the real numbers on purpose.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-2-200-coronavirus-deaths-nursing-homes-federal-government-isn-n1181026
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/30/coronavirus-nursing-homes-families/

[BackHome]

China Bot Frenchie strikes again.

[daslicer]

I can do it all day, as I said the facts are that the US are grossly underestimating their deaths and Trump criticized China :rolleyes I'm probably sure that all the republican governors are hiding the real numbers on purpose.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-2-200-coronavirus-deaths-nursing-homes-federal-government-isn-n1181026
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/30/coronavirus-nursing-homes-families/

I definitely expect them to fudge the numbers.

[BackHome]

Oh and off course China numbers are 100% accurate.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh and off course China numbers are 100% accurate.What would that have to do with our numbers?

[baseline bum]

What would that have to do with our numbers?

China's government doesn't give a fuck about human life, which excuses our government not giving a fuck about human life.

[daslicer]

China's government doesn't give a fuck about human life, which excuses our government not giving a fuck about human life.

The rich control our government and it's obvious they don't care about human life.

[baseline bum]

The rich control our government and it's obvious they don't care about human life.

I mean we're not China bad by any means, but that's a pretty fucking low bar to clear.

[daslicer]

I mean we're not China bad by any means, but that's a pretty fucking low bar to clear.

We are not there yet but the if things keep going the way they are going over time we can eventually get there. We are basically the kid who gets a D on test and feels good about it and China's the kid with the F.

[Frenchfred]

China Bot Frenchie strikes again.

sorry truth hurts, I know man. I feel you, watching fauxnews all these years has trained your brain to believe conservative BS

[sammy]

Well said Pop! The incompetent impeached orange bigot has caused us to lose over 60,000 American precious lives all due to his sheer incompetence/negligence!

I concur Pop! :bobo

[ElNono]

Absolutely wild to see American posters saying the pandemic is "no big deal" when they're creeping up to 65 THOUSAND deaths in a month and rapidly rising. And even IF the risk of death for people aged 20 was "00.1%" (not a number that I trust but whatever) - don't you all have families? Parents or grandparents, and otherwise elderly members? It's kind of fucked up to dismiss the disease because it's most mortal to older people. And now that we know even young, healthy people can get life-changing respiratory conditions from Covid-19..... Damn.

Prefer that nobody dies, but the virus being deadly to boomers might be a silverlining here for the future of the country, tbh...

[Atl Spur]

Prefer that nobody dies, but the virus being deadly to boomers might be a silverlining here for the future of the country, tbh...

Wow!! Just Wow!!!

[Play Boban]

Prefer that nobody dies, but the virus being deadly to boomers might be a silverlining here for the future of the country, tbh...
prey for poop

[BackHome]

On a bright side my dog just had two female puppies we decided to name them - Wuhan and Carona. :bobo

[Sugus]

Oh and off course China numbers are 100% accurate.

Whataboutism at its finest. To think the practice was pioneered by the Soviets... How the turntables.

[gambit1990]

this is far from over. it hasn't even gotten to the worst it's gonna get.

[exstatic]

this is far from over. it hasn't even gotten to the worst it's gonna get.

Yeah, even the most pie in the sky estimates of 40% herd immunity and 0.5% mortality, that’s still 1.28M dead. We’re not even close to getting started with this.

[BackHome]

You know will probably have double that amount in Africa due to famine it’s going to be terrible over there drought, locusts destroying crops, and now the virus not good.

[BackHome]

You know will probably have double that amount in Africa due to famine it’s going to be terrible over there drought, locusts destroying crops, and now the virus not good.

[Play Boban]

On a bright side my dog just had two female puppies we decided to name them - Wuhan and Carona. :bobo
i luv u

[BacktoBasics]

Nothing says I’m detached from humanity more than the self aggrandizing action of naming your pets after a virus that’s killed thousands of people.

Some of you assholes truly don’t live beyond your own stink.

[pookenstein]

Hwv79Svjtuk
This is playboban, backhome etc. laughing at everybody interacting with them. Spurtacular is probably one of the stupid dudes who really believes the shit he/she posts.

[Budkin]

You still gonna be hiding in thirteen days when sh** reopens?

What was that again??

[Atl Spur]

I usually stop by to see grown men acting/saying stupid things......to my surprise I see it’s slowed down! Sad so many people have to die for jackass posters to humble themselves! Be safe people

[TimDunkem]

:lol Genovaswitness

:lol Palangi

:lol Grandpa th:lolldren

[tholdren]

It already has. Georgia reopened beaches by the way. :lol

Lolololol

[ElNono]

uhhhh checked against still under 60 :lmao :lmao :lmao

damn, wish we could go back to under 60... feels like eons ago.

[TimDunkem]

10k deaths tops! Btw I could've played in the NBA but the 3pt line took no skillz - Dr.th:lolldren MD., PhD., HS All Star Class of '58

[BackHome]

If I am an NBA player and it’s contract year in 2021 I am not playing until you know for sure how much damage your lungs and heart could have from catching virus. Not putting my whole career in jeopardy just to play 20 game’s during the largest pandemic the world is going through.

[ducks]

Under realDonaldTrump
’s leadership, over 40 MILLION coronavirus tests have been conducted with nearly 730,000 tests yesterday alone.

[MultiTroll]

Under real (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6855)DonaldTrump
’s leadership, over 40 MILLION coronavirus tests have been conducted with nearly 730,000 tests yesterday alone.

“Anybody that wants a test (for the coronavirus) can get a test.” -Donceold Trump March 6th, 2020.

Hey it's only been 5 months.

[Sugus]

I hope this is one of those threads that never really die. I would bump this every few months, so everyone can be reminded just how bright some of the posters on this lovely forum are. When you've got the kind of gem quotes here present - it's almost like a treasure trove of sad dissonance. Here's my favorite one so far:


never trivialized anything each death is tragic. my issue was the destruction of the world economy, sucks that so many people aren’t going to have jobs to go back to. I’m glad our president wants to get the country back to work when feasible and safe. I also hope he continues putting pressure on 3M etc to get people the PPE they need.

and it’s no question that the US is doing better than Europe. For all the stats and math people love here people get butthurt when people point out Europe death rates are at least double and at worst 4-5x as bad as ours. They’re objectively worse at handling the pandemic than we are.. Italy is probably even worse too, they’re not even testing people past a certain age. We’re so spread out that we aren’t going to ever be as bad off as them.

American egocentrism, narcisism and collective idiocy was/is put on show during this pandemic.

[ducks]

Remind me again how many times YOU'VE seen the most trusted virus and infectious disease expert, Dr Anthony Fauci, wearing a mask during press briefings.

Interesting, ain't it?

[stepmonkey]

Remind me again how many times YOU'VE seen the most trusted virus and infectious disease expert, Dr Anthony Fauci, wearing a mask during press briefings.

Interesting, ain't it?


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/masks-symbolic-say-dr-fauci-new-england-journal-medicine/

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/15/trump-doesnt-wear-mask-fauci-birx-do-vaccine-news-conference/5199981002/

https://www.wtkr.com/news/national/coronavirus/fauci-says-he-wears-a-mask-as-a-sign-of-respect-adds-its-the-kind-of-thing-you-should-be-doing

[BacktoBasics]

Under realDonaldTrump
’s leadership, over 40 MILLION coronavirus tests have been conducted with nearly 730,000 tests yesterday alone.

You’re entire existence is built on spreading propaganda. You’re a living breathing puppet.

[Genovaswitness]

I hope this is one of those threads that never really die. I would bump this every few months, so everyone can be reminded just how bright some of the posters on this lovely forum are. When you've got the kind of gem quotes here present - it's almost like a treasure trove of sad dissonance. Here's my favorite one so far:



American egocentrism, narcisism and collective idiocy was/is put on show during this pandemic.


still voting trump :toast

America #1

[ducks]

A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html?fbclid=IwAR02_q2hvXH8UJGZkw2uy4DIksL NbjrV7F_Ww78uje44s5DK1g2XOJ61JwE

[baseline bum]

still voting trump :toast

America #1

America is a shithole country, hence why no one wants us entering their borders

[Leetonidas]

Lmao. 138,000+ dead in 6 months and ducks is still trying to make excuses for fat fucks incompetence :lmao

[ducks]

America is a shithole country, hence why no one wants us entering their borders

Lol other people flooding system coming in
USA has to build a wall to
Keep them out

[ducks]

Lmao. 138,000+ dead in 6 months and ducks is still trying to make excuses for fat fucks incompetence :lmao

He listens to the great dr fascia
Do not wear mask and thinks

[baseline bum]

Lol other people flooding system coming in
USA has to build a wall to
Keep them out

Sonora, Mexico closed their border to us over July 4th. Didn't want the Trump plague crossing over from Arizona.

[TD 21]

Sonora, Mexico closed their border to us over July 4th. Didn't want the Trump plague crossing over from Arizona.

They should build a wall and have his punk ass pay for it.

[Sugus]

still voting trump :toast

America #1

Of course you're still voting Trump. Not because he's a shitty candidate (I personally don't care for him), but because you lack the critical thinking skills, and the self-awareness, to take a step back, and realize you might have been wrong somewhere along your rabid, inane, utterly stupid charade along not only this thread, but your life in general. You'll vote Trump because it's all you know - all you've been taught to know. And the funny thing is, you won't recognize your shortcomings as you fold the ballot, there won't be a realization as you walk out the dark room; no, you'll come out just as blind as you entered, shackled in chains your fanatism doesn't allow you to see. Maybe someday, once the years have passed and you've known and experienced realities different than the ones you've seen, you will understand why and how you were wrong. If being told you're wrong so many times, and being proven wrong so many times, have not changed your views, it's clear the passage of time is the only salvation you can cling on to.

And yes, America remains #1 in both cases and deaths from COVID-19. By a large margin. Like they've been for months... Is the toast over this sad fact? Cheers...

[Genovaswitness]

Of course you're still voting Trump. Not because he's a shitty candidate (I personally don't care for him), but because you lack the critical thinking skills, and the self-awareness, to take a step back, and realize you might have been wrong somewhere along your rabid, inane, utterly stupid charade along not only this thread, but your life in general. You'll vote Trump because it's all you know - all you've been taught to know. And the funny thing is, you won't recognize your shortcomings as you fold the ballot, there won't be a realization as you walk out the dark room; no, you'll come out just as blind as you entered, shackled in chains your fanatism doesn't allow you to see. Maybe someday, once the years have passed and you've known and experienced realities different than the ones you've seen, you will understand why and how you were wrong. If being told you're wrong so many times, and being proven wrong so many times, have not changed your views, it's clear the passage of time is the only salvation you can cling on to.

And yes, America remains #1 in both cases and deaths from COVID-19. By a large margin. Like they've been for months... Is the toast over this sad fact? Cheers...

tl;dr dumbfuck euro/liberal/America-hater (same thing) screed

:toast

[Sugus]

tl;dr dumbfuck euro/liberal/America-hater (same thing) screed

:toast

You managed to get all three assumptions wrong. Literally not even one correct, even after you've resorted back to your sad Euro insults on me before and I've told you I'm not from there. And I pity the US... The folks that have to suffer living next to people like you, at least. No hate, just pity. The rest of the world feels the same way... But to you it looks like an attack - you can't understand being pitied on, because it would imply you're not on top of the world anymore, you're deserving of pity.

I guess you've dug your hole deep enough that it doesn't hurt to just keep digging, right? Keep at it. I'm sure someone out there is glad that they don't even have to pay you to spout these ridiculous comments. I wonder how long it'll take before you inevitably start backpedalling, or switch to an alt - luckily, I have my popcorn ready.

[Genovaswitness]

You managed to get all three assumptions wrong. Literally not even one correct, even after you've resorted back to your sad Euro insults on me before and I've told you I'm not from there. And I pity the US... The folks that have to suffer living next to people like you, at least. No hate, just pity. The rest of the world feels the same way... But to you it looks like an attack - you can't understand being pitied on, because it would imply you're not on top of the world anymore, you're deserving of pity.

I guess you've dug your hole deep enough that it doesn't hurt to just keep digging, right? Keep at it. I'm sure someone out there is glad that they don't even have to pay you to spout these ridiculous comments. I wonder how long it'll take before you inevitably start backpedalling, or switch to an alt - luckily, I have my popcorn ready.

tl:dr

[stepmonkey]

tl:dr

Two paragraphs and it is too long for you to read. I believe you except it should be tl:cc. Too long, Can't comprehend. Sad. Even among the Trumpanzees, you stand out for your stupidity. Well done.

[Atl Spur]

The pursuit for attention never stops in here..... Hi Ducks, still at it I see:) You are truly a legend on this board for all the wrong reasons! Bravo my guy.

[Frenchfred]

tl;dr dumbfuck euro/liberal/America-hater (same thing) screed

:toast

Man, you were so wrong about this pandemic. You cannot even admit it, just like your dumb idol Trump.

[ducks]

Chuck Schumer Jan 31, 2020 - President Trump restricted travel from China due to the Chinese corona virus and when he did, Chuck Schumer criticized the president for over reacting- February 24, 2020 - Speaker Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco Chinatown To Show Support against Trump plan to slow Coronavirus and told everyone to come on down to Chinatown, arm and arm. This was of course due to Trump stopping flights from infected areas on January 31st.
9 January - The WHO says the infection is caused by a new type of coronavirus
10 January - China shares the genetic code of the new virus
11 January - Scientists start working on a vaccine - and the first death confirmed
13 January - Virus spreads abroad for the first time, with a case in Thailand
14 January - The WHO "No clear Evidence of Person to Person contact of Corona virus The Who Lied
15 January - "Trump Signs 'Phase 1' China Trade Deal, But Most Tariffs Remain In Place" and Pelosi finally sends Articles of Impeachment to the Senate When first US Victim gets back to the states
23 January - the central government of China imposed a lock down in Wuhan
January 31 Trump announced China Travel Restrictions and the UK left the EU at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020
February 4, 2020,The 2020 State of the Union Address was given by the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump
February 5, 2020 Trump was Acquitted
February 7 - The WHO "Mask Won't protect You from the Corona virus
February 19th the Market began the sell off.
February 24, 2020 - Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling Trump a xenophobe and tells her people in San Francisco to gather together and all meet in China town. Nancy Pelosi wanted to show that Trump is over reacting.
March 2, 2020 - Governor John Bel Edwards gives coronavirus update to Press Club of Baton Rouge
March 11, 2020 - Bill de Blasio - Confronting the Coronavirus Outbreak in New York City | The Daily Show
March 23 - The Who "Treating the Corona virus with Hydroxychloroquine could cause a world shortage" this was a Lie.
April 1 - The Who "Wearing a mask won't protect you" repeated Lie.


Pop
Did
Not
Critize
Who
Why!

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

ducks i love you but damn

[dbestpro]

I have worked in healthcare for over 40 years. The virus stats are what they are and I and my family limit our engagement in the community, wear mask, do social distancing and wash our hands. There are stats about the virus that made me want to know more.
We have been told that half of coronavirus patients who died are nursing home patients. So I wanted to know what is the average age of a person entering the nursing home. I found that the age is 83.
I wanted to know how many people are in the nursing home? There are 1.3 million before the virus and there are 1.3 million today.
This lead me to ask how long is it before people die in the nursing home? I found that half of all nursing home admits die within the first five months and the remainder on average die within 13 months. This means that before the virus we have 100k deaths in the nursing home each month and the fact that the total admit level has not changed it would appear that those that died were following a normal trend.
So, the next part of my research which is more difficult to find is how many of the remaining people had comorbidities (other conditions) and of those comorbidities how many were noncompliant to their treatment, meaning for example they had diabetes and still ate whatever they wanted. I feel I will not be able to answer these questions until well after issues of the virus has ended.
I am not going to try and provide an interpretation of my findings but I thought it was relevant to share.

[Phenomanul]

Chuck Schumer Jan 31, 2020 - President Trump restricted travel from China due to the Chinese corona virus and when he did, Chuck Schumer criticized the president for over reacting- February 24, 2020 - Speaker Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco Chinatown To Show Support against Trump plan to slow Coronavirus and told everyone to come on down to Chinatown, arm and arm. This was of course due to Trump stopping flights from infected areas on January 31st.
9 January - The WHO says the infection is caused by a new type of coronavirus
10 January - China shares the genetic code of the new virus
11 January - Scientists start working on a vaccine - and the first death confirmed
13 January - Virus spreads abroad for the first time, with a case in Thailand
14 January - The WHO "No clear Evidence of Person to Person contact of Corona virus The Who Lied
15 January - "Trump Signs 'Phase 1' China Trade Deal, But Most Tariffs Remain In Place" and Pelosi finally sends Articles of Impeachment to the Senate When first US Victim gets back to the states
23 January - the central government of China imposed a lock down in Wuhan
January 31 Trump announced China Travel Restrictions and the UK left the EU at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020
February 4, 2020,The 2020 State of the Union Address was given by the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump
February 5, 2020 Trump was Acquitted
February 7 - The WHO "Mask Won't protect You from the Corona virus
February 19th the Market began the sell off.
February 24, 2020 - Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling Trump a xenophobe and tells her people in San Francisco to gather together and all meet in China town. Nancy Pelosi wanted to show that Trump is over reacting.
March 2, 2020 - Governor John Bel Edwards gives coronavirus update to Press Club of Baton Rouge
March 11, 2020 - Bill de Blasio - Confronting the Coronavirus Outbreak in New York City | The Daily Show
March 23 - The Who "Treating the Corona virus with Hydroxychloroquine could cause a world shortage" this was a Lie.
April 1 - The Who "Wearing a mask won't protect you" repeated Lie.


Pop
Did
Not
Critize
Who
Why!

That timeline is unquestionnable truth.

But people here don't want the TRUTH.. they just want to hate the current administration because their liberoacademic-media overlords tell them to. It's a mindless process.

[baseline bum]

That timeline is unquestionnable truth.

But people here don't want the TRUTH.. they just want to hate the current administration because their liberoacademic-media overlords tell them to. It's a mindless process.

What do you think of the Trump telling hospitals not to report stats to the CDC anymore? Why do I even ask, you fucking love it.

[daslicer]

That timeline is unquestionnable truth.

But people here don't want the TRUTH.. they just want to hate the current administration because their liberoacademic-media overlords tell them to. It's a mindless process.

Manutard is going to Manutard.

[Frenchfred]

Trump is such a failure.

[baseline bum]

Trump is such a failure.

And he dragged the US down with it. We're such a shithole country, a failed nation. A rightful pariah to every other developed nation denying us entry into their borders.

[BacktoBasics]

What do you think of the Trump telling hospitals not to report stats to the CDC anymore? Why do I even ask, you fucking love it.

People like ducks and this piece of shit care more about winning politics than peoples actual health and lives.

[Phenomanul]

People like ducks and this piece of shit care more about winning politics than peoples actual health and lives.

Again, I care about the truth. Caring about people’s health and lives isn’t mutually exclusive if caring about the truth.

That’s why your rebuttal doesn’t challenge the veracity of the timeline itself but rather focuses the argument into an ad hominem against me.

Whatever floats your boat.

[Frenchfred]

Here are a bunch of lies from Trump on the coronavirus situation.

Wednesday, February 19:The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
Thursday, February 27: The outbreak would be temporary: "IT's going to disappear. One day, it's miracle _ it'll disappear
Monday, March 2: Pharmaceutical companies are going “to have vaccines, I think, relatively soon.”
Friday, March 6, and Monday, May 11: “ Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-tour-centers-disease-control-prevention-atlanta-ga/)” and “If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-press-briefing-covid-19-testing/).”
Thursday, March 19: FDA had approved the antimalarial drug chloroquine to treat COVID-19. “Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it’s—it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved by prescription,”
Tuesday, March 24, and Wednesday (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242824631230308353?s=20), March 25: The United States has outpaced South Korea’s COVID-19 testing: “We’re going up proportionally very rapidly,”
Sunday, March 29, and Monday, March 30: Hospitals are reporting an artificially inflated need for masks and equipment, items that might be “going out the back door,” Trump said on two separate days. He also said he was not talking about hoarding: “I think maybe it’s worse than hoarding.”
Multiple times “Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
Friday, April 24: Trump was being “sarcastic (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/the-white-house-spins-trumps-disinfectant-remarks/)” when he suggested in a briefing on April 23 that his medical experts should research the use of powerful light and injected disinfectants to treat COVID-19.
Multiple times: Taking hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 is safe. “You’re not going to get sick or die,” Trump said on one occasion. “It doesn’t hurt people,” he commented on another.
Friday, May 8 (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/may/09/donald-trump-coronavirus-will-go-away-without-a-vaccine-video) The coronavirus is “going to go away without a vaccine … and we’re not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time.”
Monday, May 11: America has “developed a testing capacity unmatched and unrivaled anywhere in the world, and it’s not even close.”
The United States has conducted more testing “than all other countries together (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260166181513842688?s=20)!”
Wednesday, June 17th: The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
Thursday, July 2nd: The pandemic is “getting under control.”
Saturday, July 4: “99%” of COVID-19 cases are “totally harmless.”
Monday, July 6th: “We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
Multiple times "The Trump White House “inherited” a “broken,” “bad,” and “obsolete” test for the coronavirus.
Multiple times: “Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country.”
...

This man is a joke

[BacktoBasics]

Again, I care about the truth. Caring about people’s health and lives isn’t mutually exclusive if caring about the truth.

That’s why your rebuttal doesn’t challenge the veracity of the timeline itself but rather focuses the argument into an ad hominem against me.

Whatever floats your boat.
Not being mutually exclusive is a lazy argument. The timeline doesn’t mean shit. What matters is where we are today. Texas is in a free fall created by the lack of empathy, competence and foresight

[baseline bum]

Here are a bunch of lies from Trump on the coronavirus situation.

Wednesday, February 19:The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
Thursday, February 27: The outbreak would be temporary: "IT's going to disappear. One day, it's miracle _ it'll disappear
Monday, March 2: Pharmaceutical companies are going “to have vaccines, I think, relatively soon.”
Friday, March 6, and Monday, May 11: “ Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-tour-centers-disease-control-prevention-atlanta-ga/)” and “If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-press-briefing-covid-19-testing/).”
Thursday, March 19: FDA had approved the antimalarial drug chloroquine to treat COVID-19. “Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it’s—it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved by prescription,”
Tuesday, March 24, and Wednesday (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242824631230308353?s=20), March 25: The United States has outpaced South Korea’s COVID-19 testing: “We’re going up proportionally very rapidly,”
Sunday, March 29, and Monday, March 30: Hospitals are reporting an artificially inflated need for masks and equipment, items that might be “going out the back door,” Trump said on two separate days. He also said he was not talking about hoarding: “I think maybe it’s worse than hoarding.”
Multiple times “Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
Friday, April 24: Trump was being “sarcastic (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/the-white-house-spins-trumps-disinfectant-remarks/)” when he suggested in a briefing on April 23 that his medical experts should research the use of powerful light and injected disinfectants to treat COVID-19.
Multiple times: Taking hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 is safe. “You’re not going to get sick or die,” Trump said on one occasion. “It doesn’t hurt people,” he commented on another.
Friday, May 8 (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/may/09/donald-trump-coronavirus-will-go-away-without-a-vaccine-video) The coronavirus is “going to go away without a vaccine … and we’re not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time.”
Monday, May 11: America has “developed a testing capacity unmatched and unrivaled anywhere in the world, and it’s not even close.”
The United States has conducted more testing “than all other countries together (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260166181513842688?s=20)!”
Wednesday, June 17th: The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
Thursday, July 2nd: The pandemic is “getting under control.”
Saturday, July 4: “99%” of COVID-19 cases are “totally harmless.”
Monday, July 6th: “We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
Multiple times "The Trump White House “inherited” a “broken,” “bad,” and “obsolete” test for the coronavirus.
Multiple times: “Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country.”
...

This man is a joke



Can you believe how much this piece of shit has fucked the nation over by taking the stance that masks are for fags?

[baseline bum]

Donald J. Trump
✔ realDonaldTrump
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!





Why no bashing on flu pop why


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f22A8PWpGY8

[baseline bum]

It is not a big deal
More people died today by obesity
Where is your out cry about that

COVID-45 194,942 deaths recorded so far
It is not a big deal

[baseline bum]

We're up to 27 deaths. A few more and we could pass a holiday weekend in Chicago. Quick go buy water and toilet paper. 34,000 people died from the flu last year but now it's time to panic.

this aged well

[exstatic]

COVID-45 194,942 deaths recorded so far
It is not a big deal

Every day, it’s the equivalent of FOUR jumbo jets crashing with all lives lost. EVERY FUCKING DAY.

[DMC]

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.

These people don't matter, they deserved it.

[gambit1990]

wow, trump on khashoggi...

[gambit1990]

trump admitted helping to cover up the slaughter of an american citizen. just crazy...

[Budkin]

That Woodward tape of him going on about how deadly it is, is just shocking. Thousands of people died because he decided to “play it down.”

[BacktoBasics]

That Woodward tape of him going on about how deadly it is, is just shocking. Thousands of people died because he decided to “play it down.”

And his followers don’t give a fuck. They’ll always love der Führer.

Literally on tape exposing himself as a liar.

Trump could spoon feces out of his ass, eat it... and his followers would copy and paste articles about how healthy it is.

[DJR210]

And his followers don’t give a fuck. They’ll always love der Führer.

Literally on tape exposing himself as a liar.

Trump could spoon feces out of his ass, eat it... and his followers would copy and paste articles about how healthy it is.

:lol all true

[Atl Spur]

Sad.........facts be damned!

[tbdog]

America was always fucked. You guys have the worst health care. And one of the most selfish and arrogant western society. And on top of that, your god loving and devil fearing.

[cd98]

That Woodward tape of him going on about how deadly it is, is just shocking. Thousands of people died because he decided to “play it down.”

I'm no Trump fan, especially after he botched COVID and acted out of political expediency, which was clear months ago. To be honest, the Woodward interview didn't move the dial for me because it was plain to see all along. That said, I don't know that deaths are on Trump. I think the numbers would be the same regardless of who was president. The US can't impose harsh control over the population like other countries and too many people are unwilling to alter their lifestyles regardless of what Trump or anyone else would have said. There were eptimologists making all kinds of recommendations and people ignored them. So I strongly doubt any president would have averted the high number of deaths. It's just something that was going to happen unfortunately. I mean, maybe you could argue that Cuomo caused unnecessary deaths by keeping the infected in nursing homes, but other than that, telling people this is more deadly than the flu probably doesn't impact at least a third of the country and that's all it takes.

[exstatic]

I'm no Trump fan, especially after he botched COVID and acted out of political expediency, which was clear months ago. To be honest, the Woodward interview didn't move the dial for me because it was plain to see all along. That said, I don't know that deaths are on Trump. I think the numbers would be the same regardless of who was president. The US can't impose harsh control over the population like other countries and too many people are unwilling to alter their lifestyles regardless of what Trump or anyone else would have said. There were eptimologists making all kinds of recommendations and people ignored them. So I strongly doubt any president would have averted the high number of deaths. It's just something that was going to happen unfortunately. I mean, maybe you could argue that Cuomo caused unnecessary deaths by keeping the infected in nursing homes, but other than that, telling people this is more deadly than the flu probably doesn't impact at least a third of the country and that's all it takes.

Europe isn’t China or authoritarian, and yet they’re almost back to normal. They did it with a lockdown about six weeks longer than ours, and national mask orders, per country. A president leading and setting a national policy, as opposed to one fucking off and playing golf every other day, would probably have kept our death count at 40-50k. Trump didn’t set rules, because he doesn’t like to follow them.

[cd98]

Europe isn’t China or authoritarian, and yet they’re almost back to normal. They did it with a lockdown about six weeks longer than ours, and national mask orders, per country. A president leading and setting a national policy, as opposed to one fucking off and playing golf every other day, would probably have kept our death count at 40-50k. Trump didn’t set rules, because he doesn’t like to follow them.

Again, I'm not defending Trump, I'm just realistic. Americans aren't Europeans. They were not going to go another 6 weeks of lockouts. President Trump did a terrible job handling the virus and certainly acts in his own self interest and not the general welfare of the public, but what I would have expected. But it's nonsense to think that Americans would have stayed locked up for 6 more weeks. It's also nonsense to think that any one person can stop people from going out and exposing themselves to COVID and transmitting to others. Between people going crazy on "lockdown," the economic meltdown, the protests (from the right and the left)/riots, and the fact that many Americans have not seen the impact of COVID first hand on someone they know, especially in smaller communities, the spread was always going to happen. Probably the most preventable outbreak was in senior homes when Cuomo sent sick people back to nursing homes. That doesn't mean Trump should not be fired for his handling of COVID, but I don't think it means he killed 50,000 people or whatever. That's just not true.

[UnWantedTheory]

Again, I'm not defending Trump, I'm just realistic. Americans aren't Europeans. They were not going to go another 6 weeks of lockouts. President Trump did a terrible job handling the virus and certainly acts in his own self interest and not the general welfare of the public, but what I would have expected. But it's nonsense to think that Americans would have stayed locked up for 6 more weeks. It's also nonsense to think that any one person can stop people from going out and exposing themselves to COVID and transmitting to others. Between people going crazy on "lockdown," the economic meltdown, the protests (from the right and the left)/riots, and the fact that many Americans have not seen the impact of COVID first hand on someone they know, especially in smaller communities, the spread was always going to happen. Probably the most preventable outbreak was in senior homes when Cuomo sent sick people back to nursing homes. That doesn't mean Trump should not be fired for his handling of COVID, but I don't think it means he killed 50,000 people or whatever. That's just not true.
I can see your point. An embarrassing amount of US citizens love themselves,their political party,and conspiracies more than anything else. Squeezing in facts to that lot is rather difficult. I will say though,Trump often sets the tone within his base easily. I am not putting the entire count on him,but I do believe he could have managed it better,which in turn could have lead to less loss of life. That had to start with being a leader and he simply isn't capable of being one.

[Spurs Homer]

btw

did any of those trump fellators ever return and apologize for their stupidity?

lololol


200,000 dead americans on trumps little hands

[ismael-robert]

Like cd98 is saying I don't think it mattered...ever consider the government as a whole, on both sides, secretly wanted a lil population control and yall over here trying to pin it on one person.

[ismael-robert]

Why did yall resurrect this thread let it die