Popovich rips Trump over coronavirus response

[Joseph Kony]

Any of you conspiracy nutcases explain to me the 5G conspiracy theory. I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

they can't even explain it considering they dont understand the science behind it or an understanding of human biology :lol they just watched a youtube video filled with nonsense like all gullible "woke" people

weird how 88 countries have 5G towers yet 184 countries have confirmed coronavirus cases

[ducks]

Donald J. Trump realDonaldTrump
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This morning, 450,000 protective suits landed in Dallas, Texas. This was made possible because of the partnership of two great American companies—DuPont and FedEx—and our friends in Vietnam. Thank you!
@DuPont_News
Fedex

[ducks]

The White House is reportedly developing a plan to get back to 'normality

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-reportedly-developing-plan-212600902.html

[ducks]

Updated numbers
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/91700507_10108725675797647_910525980055961600_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnJCNmZypwbmMneq3Hu7Ow__hafNClh2FVSo3odFrq ObAUHWyM9rIt2yXguiR6ZM_w&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=46aafdcbc9c08c5ff587be6c63e72aa1&oe=5EB4FAC1

[ducks]

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and his top health official were telling citizens to take the subway and attend parades months after President Donald Trump restricted travel to coronavirus-plagued China.

De Blasio and New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot took turns telling citizens in February and March that the virus was not as widespread as people thought. Data now show that the city is becoming the epicenter for the coronavirus, which has killed 883 New Yorkers.

[Russ]

For those who believe covid is like the common flu, consider these numbers:

The mortality rate for the common flu in the US is repeatedly stated to be .01%.

The mortality rate for covid in the US is 3.40% (and climbing) according to Johns Hopkins.

If these figures are accurate and applicable (and my math is ok), that would make the mortality rate for covid 340 times that of the flu.

[slick'81]

For those who believe covid is like the common flu, consider these numbers:

The mortality rate for the common flu in the US is repeatedly stated to be .01%.

The mortality rate for covid in the US is 3.40% (and climbing) according to Johns Hopkins.

If these figures are accurate and applicable (and my math is ok), that would make the mortality rate for covid 340 times that of the flu.


Nobody is stupid enough to believe its like the flu

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

lol pop was so effin right about trump and covid lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Nobody is stupid enough to believe its like the flu* **


*anymore


**mostly

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nobody is stupid enough to believe its like the flu

You'd be surprised.

[spurs10]

For those who believe covid is like the common flu, consider these numbers:

The mortality rate for the common flu in the US is repeatedly stated to be .01%.

The mortality rate for covid in the US is 3.40% (and climbing) according to Johns Hopkins.

If these figures are accurate and applicable (and my math is ok), that would make the mortality rate for covid 340 times that of the flu.


Nobody is stupid enough to believe its like the flu


lol pop was so effin right about trump and covid lmao


*anymore


**mostly


You'd be surprised. :lol Yep! Be Safe


:bobo

[Frenchfred]

Updated numbers
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/91700507_10108725675797647_910525980055961600_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnJCNmZypwbmMneq3Hu7Ow__hafNClh2FVSo3odFrq ObAUHWyM9rIt2yXguiR6ZM_w&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=46aafdcbc9c08c5ff587be6c63e72aa1&oe=5EB4FAC1

Really?

[exstatic]

For those who believe covid is like the common flu, consider these numbers:

The mortality rate for the common flu in the US is repeatedly stated to be .01%.

The mortality rate for covid in the US is 3.40% (and climbing) according to Johns Hopkins.

If these figures are accurate and applicable (and my math is ok), that would make the mortality rate for covid 340 times that of the flu.

Punch US population of 320,000,000 X .034 into a calculator, and see what comes out.

[Russ]

For those who believe covid is like the common flu, consider these numbers:

The mortality rate for the common flu in the US is repeatedly stated to be .01%.

The mortality rate for covid in the US is 3.40% (and climbing) according to Johns Hopkins.

If these figures are accurate and applicable (and my math is ok), that would make the mortality rate for covid 340 times that of the flu.

The .01% mortality rate for common flu may be in error.

It seems it should be 0.1%.

That still makes covid 34 times as lethal as flu.

In any event, applying a 3.40% mortality rate to the US population (330 million) would mean over 11 million deaths.

[Russ]

The interesting thing above covid mortality rates is that they keep going up for almost all countries.

Last week, Germany's rate was about .5% -- now it is 2.07%.

Last week the US was about 1.5% -- now it is 3.40%.

Usually, those rates would go down over time because testing rates would go up and nonlethal cases would start to dominate the overall statistics.

With covid, the mortality rates keep going up, even in countries with good health care like the US and Germany.

For other countries, the mortality rates are much higher, i.e., Italy 12.67%, Spain 10.00%, France 9.62%, UK 11.69%, Netherlands 11.01%.

The source for these numbers is the Real Clear Politics coronavirus page:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

[Spurs Homer]

So Pop nailed it?

[Ellsworth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ESBl3GTbTo

[BackHome]

So Pop nailed it?

The only thing Poop has NAILED lately is the Red Rocket and our favorite midget spur.

[spurs10]

So Pop nailed it? Absolutely....and unfortunately.

[Joseph Kony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ESBl3GTbTo

:lmao dumb

[pad300]

For those who believe covid is like the common flu, consider these numbers:

The mortality rate for the common flu in the US is repeatedly stated to be .01%.

The mortality rate for covid in the US is 3.40% (and climbing) according to Johns Hopkins.

If these figures are accurate and applicable (and my math is ok), that would make the mortality rate for covid 340 times that of the flu.

You can unclench a bit. That 3.4% death rate is based on tested cases. Consider this:
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/04/08/massachusetts-sewage-suggests-more-than-100k-coronavirus-cases-in-state-mit-lab/
446 test confirmed cases from an estimated 115000 = 0.00388. Suggests 1 in 250 or so case are actually getting counted in the infected count. Thus you can divide that 3.4% by 250 = 0.0136%...
No, it's not the flu. It's slightly deadlier than the flu on an individual basis. What's worrisome, is that because there are no vaccines, nor previous exposure to such a virus (unlike the annual flu season), a LOT of people are going to get it. The CDC estimates that roughly 10% of the population gets the flu every year, for example, "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza". In general, Herd Immunity numbers suggest that 70% or so of the population need to get a disease before herd immunity chokes it off. That in turn suggests that some 200 million or so people will get the CCP virus...

[ChumpDumper]

Is CCP virus the latest trial balloon?

[Russ]

You can unclench a bit. That 3.4% death rate is based on tested cases. Consider this:
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/04/08/massachusetts-sewage-suggests-more-than-100k-coronavirus-cases-in-state-mit-lab/
446 test confirmed cases from an estimated 115000 = 0.00388. Suggests 1 in 250 or so case are actually getting counted in the infected count. Thus you can divide that 3.4% by 250 = 0.0136%...


I would agree that the mortality rate is skewed high due to uncounted cases except for the fact that mortality rate seems to go up even as testing increases.

As I mentioned earlier, covid mortality rates keep going up for almost all countries.

Last week, Germany's rate was about .5% -- now it is 2.21%.

Last week the US was about 1.5% -- now it is 3.55%.

Usually, those rates would go down over time because testing rates would go up and nonlethal cases would start to dominate the overall statistics.

With covid, the mortality rates keep going up no matter what.

Even those countries with already high mortality rates seem to continue to go up slightly, i.e., Italy 12.73%, Spain 10.08%, France 10.37%, UK 12.26%, Netherlands 11.01%.

The regression to the mean just seems to ascend.

No one thinks this is going to be Armageddon, but it could well be that a 3.55% death rate is going to look artificially low, rather than high, when this is all done.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

[ismael-robert]

Since we're not discussing bball in a bball forum here yall go:https://youtu.be/WvLfuMlAi18

[ducks]

So Pop nailed it?

He has not nailed pussy in a long time you can tell how he coaches

[ducks]

Absolutely....and unfortunately.

Trump is not Italy and other counties what is your excuse for them
Do you reaally think biden would be better
After two months biden yeah trump was right about China

[Sugus]

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and his top health official were telling citizens to take the subway and attend parades months after President Donald Trump restricted travel to coronavirus-plagued China.

De Blasio and New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot took turns telling citizens in February and March that the virus was not as widespread as people thought. Data now show that the city is becoming the epicenter for the coronavirus, which has killed 883 New Yorkers.

Lolducks, weren't you saying people weren't dying from the virus a few pages ago on this very thread? What a different tune you're singing...

[hombre]

I think people were relying on WHO being an unbiased organization that would give the world an accurate assessment of the problem. It turns out it is bought and paid for by red China.

That is hilarious. Is that the new Republican / Fox News excuse? Watch news where they interview doctors on the frontlines and not millionaire mouthpiece hitmen. You are embarrassing yourself.

A quick way to test the effectiveness of the Federal Response is to ask yourself these questions...
1) Can I easily get a test for COVID 19?
2) Can I easily get a test for the antibodies for the Coronavirus?
3) Have I received cash assistance from the Federal Government to help with the economic impact?
4) Is the Federal Government providing adequate medical supplies to frontline health workers?
5) Does the Federal Government have a national plan for safely reopening the economy once the crisis subsides?

COVID-19 is "19" because it has been around since last year and the Federal Government has known about it since November, yet 5 months later we still don't have a plan or adequate testing. Until we can answer "Yes" to most (if not all) of the questions above, the Federal Response cannot be viewed as anything other than a complete failure.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Why do parents do this to their kids, man!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ntT482ThJ4

[dbestpro]

Dont you guys ever get tired of your demobabble and your GOPslop.

[exstatic]

You can unclench a bit. That 3.4% death rate is based on tested cases. Consider this:
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/04/08/massachusetts-sewage-suggests-more-than-100k-coronavirus-cases-in-state-mit-lab/
446 test confirmed cases from an estimated 115000 = 0.00388. Suggests 1 in 250 or so case are actually getting counted in the infected count. Thus you can divide that 3.4% by 250 = 0.0136%...
No, it's not the flu. It's slightly deadlier than the flu on an individual basis. What's worrisome, is that because there are no vaccines, nor previous exposure to such a virus (unlike the annual flu season), a LOT of people are going to get it. The CDC estimates that roughly 10% of the population gets the flu every year, for example, "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza". In general, Herd Immunity numbers suggest that 70% or so of the population need to get a disease before herd immunity chokes it off. That in turn suggests that some 200 million or so people will get the CCP virus...

They’re also only counting the dead who were tested positive, and died in a hospital.

[stepmonkey]

Trump is not Italy and other counties what is your excuse for them
Do you reaally think biden would be better
After two months biden yeah trump was right about China

Do I really think Biden would be better? Hell yeah. He is not a narcissistic sociopath who can only view things by how they affect him. Trump lucked out on stopping Chinese flights. He wants to shut every border down and keep those damn foreigners out so he used the virus as an excuse to do so. If he has done such a good job, why did he spend weeks dragging his feet and calling it a democratic hoax? Because, if the virus was real, it would hurt his chances of re-election. Why did he want to get everybody back to work by Easter despite what every expert was telling? Same reason. He can only view any problem by how it affects him. MAYBE HE SHOULD START WORRYING ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY HE IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT INSTEAD OF JUST HIS OWN INTERESTS.

And as to your comment above about Pop not nailing pussy lately. Yeah, his wife of 40+ years died two years ago you FUCKING MORON. Let's make fun of that.

You have long been one of the most ignorant posters on this board. Why don't you just go back to your Breitbart news or QAnon forums or DJT porn videos and quit displaying your stupidity here?

[BacktoBasics]

Lolducks, weren't you saying people weren't dying from the virus a few pages ago on this very thread? What a different tune you're singing...
Ducks is perpetually full of shit. Empty unfounded partisan railings with no substance.

[capek]

Trump is not Italy and other counties what is your excuse for them
Do you reaally think biden would be better
After two months biden yeah trump was right about China

What a fucking idiot. Biden, or any competent politician, would have filled the nearly dozen vacancies directly related to pandemic preparedness Trump let go vacant, funded the relevant departments in the CDC Trump closed, etc. What a know nothing moron you are.

[spurrunner]

That is hilarious. Is that the new Republican / Fox News excuse? Watch news where they interview doctors on the frontlines and not millionaire mouthpiece hitmen. You are embarrassing yourself.

A quick way to test the effectiveness of the Federal Response is to ask yourself these questions...
1) Can I easily get a test for COVID 19?
2) Can I easily get a test for the antibodies for the Coronavirus?
3) Have I received cash assistance from the Federal Government to help with the economic impact?
4) Is the Federal Government providing adequate medical supplies to frontline health workers?
5) Does the Federal Government have a national plan for safely reopening the economy once the crisis subsides?

COVID-19 is "19" because it has been around since last year and the Federal Government has known about it since November, yet 5 months later we still don't have a plan or adequate testing. Until we can answer "Yes" to most (if not all) of the questions above, the Federal Response cannot be viewed as anything other than a complete failure.


Maybe you should calm down and think before you post; you're the one embarrassing himself. This is what happened buddy: I was responding to Chumpdumpers point that we shouldn't trust Chinese reports and data. I never disagreed with that, I was merely adding to the conversation and pointing out that the WHO was complicit in the scandal. I have also never excused the administration for their abject failure or minimized the impact of the virus, you are assuming things I never wrote for unknown reasons, maybe you have TDS? The Trump administration has been a complete failure, in terms of both preparedness and reaction. Your timeline is pretty far off as well, the novel coronavirus was first reported to the WHO on December 31, 2019. Sure, it existed before that, in an isolated pocket in Wuhan, but there was no reason to believe there was a pandemic yet. For the next month the WHO parroted Chinese propaganda that the virus was not human to human transmissible, and there was no reason to worry, despite having boots on the ground. January 22, 2020, the WHO concedes that there is evidence of human to human transmission, but more research was needed. They didn't declare a pandemic until March 12, when the outbreaks in Europe could not be ignored any longer.
So has this situation been exasperated by incompetence in the Federal government? Yes. Are they the ones to blame for the pandemic? They share part of the blame, but as you can see it has hit most western countries pretty hard. Most of the blame lies with China and their apparent puppet organization, the WHO.

[Spurs Homer]

So Pop was 100% correct and trump is a piece of shit?

Got it!

[daslicer]

So Pop was 100% correct and trump is a piece of shit?

Got it!

Only thing he's been right about in a long time.

[cool cat]

So Pop blamed Trump for not having test, while he was traveling the country and putting on a "show" in front of 17+ thousands people each night for three more games.

[BackHome]

That is our beloved Poop.

[ducks]

Why the hell has not ripped who for giving trump
Bad advise ?

[slick'81]

Why the hell has not ripped who for giving trump
Bad advise ?


Que!?

[baseline bum]

Now that Trump and McConnell got their corporate bailout those fuckheads are going to open the country May 1st most likely. Fuck the people.

[daslicer]

Now that Trump and McConnell got their corporate bailout those fuckheads are going to open the country May 1st most likely. Fuck the people.

We are going to see another spike again if they do it which will result in another shutdown.

[weebo]

Why the hell has not ripped who for giving trump
Bad advise ?

Blocked.

[baseline bum]

We are going to see another spike again if they do it which will result in another shutdown.

What makes you think there will be another shutdown now that the corporations have been taken care of?

[daslicer]

What makes you think there will be another shutdown now that the corporations have been taken care of?

I would figure there will be another spike again that will over flood hospitals all across the country if you reopen. By doing this you risk collapsing the healthcare system and putting millions of people at risk. Governors can order states to have a shutdown again if they feel things getting out of control. Granted I do see your point with these corporations that their greed will cause them to act irrational and try to prevent a shutdown along with Governors of republican states.

[exstatic]

I would figure there will be another spike again that will over flood hospitals all across the country if you reopen. By doing this you risk collapsing the healthcare system and putting millions of people at risk. Governors can order states to have a shutdown again if they feel things getting out of control. Granted I do see your point with these corporations that their greed will cause them to act irrational and try to prevent a shutdown along with Governors of republican states.

Best quote I’ve read on this. Can’t remember the source to give props.

Allowing the states to set covid policy is like allowing peeing sections in the pool.

[baseline bum]

I would figure there will be another spike again that will over flood hospitals all across the country if you reopen. By doing this you risk collapsing the healthcare system and putting millions of people at risk. Governors can order states to have a shutdown again if they feel things getting out of control. Granted I do see your point with these corporations that their greed will cause them to act irrational and try to prevent a shutdown along with Governors of republican states.

Of course there is going to be another spike. But we're not Trump's and McConnell's constituency. We don't matter. We'll be sacrificed for the dow.

[BackHome]

So if you lost your job and you have kids what should they do? You can only keep things closed for so long but they will be a time people just say fuck it and start going out and trying to make money for their family people need to eat. But if you think your going to quarantine the whole United States for 3 more months I just don’t see that being realistic and I don’t think most Americans who are unemployed could handle that time being jobless.

[daslicer]

Best quote I’ve read on this. Can’t remember the source to give props.

Allowing the states to set covid policy is like allowing peeing sections in the pool.

There is a thing called State Rights. Good luck trying to stop how certain states handle this differently.

[daslicer]

Of course there is going to be another spike. But we're not Trump's and McConnell's constituency. We don't matter. We'll be sacrificed for the dow.

It really depends on his approval rating. Granted I know its highly unlikely his supporters turn against him.

[baseline bum]

It really depends on his approval rating. Granted I know its highly unlikely his supporters turn against him.

20,000 dead thanks two months of inaction hasn't turned his cult. Nothing will.

[daslicer]

20,000 dead thanks two months of inaction hasn't turned his cult. Nothing will.

Hard to predict the future. The only thing I will say is this is not going to end well.

[baseline bum]

Hard to predict the future. The only thing I will say is this is not going to end well.

Hard to believe it's only five days since we crossed 10,000 dead and now we're at 20,000 and Greg Abbott is getting ready to open Texas back up next week and our Dear Leader in three weeks.

[daslicer]

Hard to believe it's only five days since we crossed 10,000 dead and now we're at 20,000 and Greg Abbott is getting ready to open Texas back up next week and our Dear Leader in three weeks.

I have friends who live in Texas. They have told me Abbott is a nutcase.

[Spurtacular]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/10/16/27028662-8207245-Six_thousand_families_lined_up_in_their_cars_for_h ours_at_Trader-a-1_1586534373258.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/10/16/27028702-8207245-People_are_seen_standing_by_their_cars_as_they_wai ted_in_line_fo-a-3_1586534373401.jpg

Sorry, guys. But this is what happens when you let your rulers rule you with fear and an iron fist.

[Spurtacular]

On the bright side, white housewives get to feel much better about themselves.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/10/16/27028648-8207245-Helpers_Alisa_Alonzo_left_and_Jennifer_Byrnes_righ t_gather_bags_-a-4_1586534373440.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-line-cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html

[spurs10]

20,000 dead thanks two months of inaction hasn't turned his cult. Nothing will.


Hard to predict the future. The only thing I will say is this is not going to end well.


Hard to believe it's only five days since we crossed 10,000 dead and now we're at 20,000 and Greg Abbott is getting ready to open Texas back up next week and our Dear Leader in three weeks. If they open up the economy it will be an even worse nightmare than we are seeing now....of course.

[daslicer]

If they open up the economy it will be an even worse nightmare than we are seeing now....of course.

I agree. I expect the death's to increase if they re-open but we have got a bunch of greedy irrational actors that are in charge who are losing money so they are not going to be thinking about safety.

[baseline bum]

If they open up the economy it will be an even worse nightmare than we are seeing now....of course.

Don't think of it as if. Any time our Dear Leader says he's going to do something stupid/evil he follows through on it.

[BackHome]

Keeping country locked down until a vaccine is created is not realistic. I wish a vaccine was just around the corner but sadly it’s not it sucks I wish we could get back to normal

[slick'81]

If they open up the economy it will be an even worse nightmare than we are seeing now....of course.


It is going to happen, and shit is going to get worse. Its like the goverment is actually trying to kill us

[slick'81]

Keeping country locked down until a vaccine is created is not realistic. I wish a vaccine was just around the corner but sadly it’s not it sucks I wish we could get back to normal


There will be no "normal" for a long fucking time....2-3 years until we get an actual working vaccine

and weve only been on lock down what a month now? Can we atleast get through texas's peak before we begin the slaughter

[ChumpDumper]

There will be no "normal" for a long fucking time....2-3 years until we get an actual working vaccine

and weve only been on lock down what a month now? Can we atleast get through texas's peak before we begin the slaughterNo shit, there's always time to die.

[baseline bum]

Keeping country locked down until a vaccine is created is not realistic. I wish a vaccine was just around the corner but sadly it’s not it sucks I wish we could get back to normal

The country is going to close regardless. How many people are going to stay open once they watch their neighbors dying off? The lockdown should have been to buy time to do lots of testing that we should have been doing in fucking February when your boy was calling it a Democratic hoax and Trumptards thought we were special and wouldn't get hit hard by this when it was obvious the US would get hammered to anyone with an above room temperature IQ. If this country was run by responsible adults maybe we could have had a response like Korea's where only 211 have died despite them having it for months.

[slick'81]

The country is going to close regardless. How many people are going to stay open once they watch their neighbors dying off? The lockdown should have been to buy time to do lots of testing that we should have been doing in fucking February when your boy was calling it a Democratic hoax and Trumptards thought we were special and wouldn't get hit hard by this when it was obvious the US would get hammered to anyone with an above room temperature IQ. If this country was run by responsible adults maybe we could have had a response like Korea's where only 211 have died despite them having it for months.


Trump is somehow going to take this as a W,The sic fck

[apalisoc_9]

Now that Trump and McConnell got their corporate bailout those fuckheads are going to open the country May 1st most likely. Fuck the people.

Man that's just fucked up and most of the money used to bail out corporate come from the people risking their lives out there. Retail workers making 4 dollars per hour. :lol

What a sad situation. Stay safe scrah and just play video games for the time being.

[baseline bum]

Man that's just fucked up and most of the money used to bail out corporate come from the people risking their lives out there. Retail workers making 4 dollars per hour. :lol

What a sad situation. Stay safe scrah and just play video games for the time being.

Our fuckhead governor is saying he's opening the state up via executive order next week.

[slick'81]

Our fuckhead governor is saying he's opening the state up via executive order next week.


Yup,tx is gonna burn

[Spurtacular]

If they open up the economy it will be an even worse nightmare than we are seeing now....of course.

You were told!

[Spurtacular]

The country is going to close regardless. How many people are going to stay open once they watch their neighbors dying off?

How many neighbors have you seen die off so far?

[exstatic]

How many neighbors have you seen die off so far?

It’s always “so far” with your crowd. You crowed when there were only a hundred or so deaths, and we told you more were coming. We’ve gone from ten thousand to twenty thousand in FEW DAYS. you will see at least one ambulance on your block, meaning a ventilator case who needs to be transported. Under lockdown, they’d have a coin flip chance, but there won’t be enough ventilators when dumb states open up again, and this bitch spikes higher next go around.

[Spurtacular]

It’s always “so far” with your crowd. You crowed when there were only a hundred or so deaths, and we told you more were coming. We’ve gone from ten thousand to twenty thousand in FEW DAYS. you will see at least one ambulance on your block, meaning a ventilator case who needs to be transported. Under lockdown, they’d have a coin flip chance, but there won’t be enough ventilators when dumb states open up again, and this bitch spikes higher next go around.

You enjoy the distraction, bruh. Gov. gets to get off on the sh** prior and do new thefts while you run around with your head cut off.

[exstatic]

You enjoy the distraction, bruh. Gov. gets to get off on the sh** prior and do new thefts while you run around with your head cut off.

True argle bargle. No point, just blather. Your mind is gone if you think sacrificing people for industry is a viable option.

[ChumpDumper]

Gov. gets to get off on the sh** prior and do new theftsDamn, you finally saw what Trump is doing.:tu

[Spurtacular]

Damn, you finally saw what Trump is doing.:tu

I've started threads on this, numb nuts.

You were probably busy voting present because it included every single one of your Democrats.

[Atl Spur]

So if you lost your job and you have kids what should they do? You can only keep things closed for so long but they will be a time people just say fuck it and start going out and trying to make money for their family people need to eat. But if you think your going to quarantine the whole United States for 3 more months I just don’t see that being realistic and I don’t think most Americans who are unemployed could handle that time being jobless.

But could handle being dead better......I see your logic! Makes perfect sense.....

[ChumpDumper]

I've started threads on this, numb nuts.

You were probably busy voting present because it included every single one of your Democrats.What theft of Trump's do you find the most egregious?

[Spurtacular]

What theft of Trump's do you find the most egregious?

:cry Throw me bones :cry

[ChumpDumper]

:cry Throw me bones :cryderp seriously folds

derp seriously doesn't want to talk about this anymore

[Spurtacular]

derp seriously folds


You voted snowflake.

[ChumpDumper]

You voted snowflake.I asked you to talk about your claim.

You seriously folded.

No one can take you seriously when you fold that easily.

[baseline bum]

It’s always “so far” with your crowd. You crowed when there were only a hundred or so deaths, and we told you more were coming. We’ve gone from ten thousand to twenty thousand in FEW DAYS. you will see at least one ambulance on your block, meaning a ventilator case who needs to be transported. Under lockdown, they’d have a coin flip chance, but there won’t be enough ventilators when dumb states open up again, and this bitch spikes higher next go around.

Why do you even bother talking with Derp?

[hombre]

How many neighbors have you seen die off so far?

You're a terrible person.

[ChumpDumper]

You're a terrible person.Seriously.

[Spurtacular]

You're a terrible person.

How many of your neighbors have died so far?

[Spurtacular]

Seriously.

How many neighbors of yours have died so far, seriously?

[ChumpDumper]

How many neighbors of yours have died so far, seriously?Seriously, 20,000 Americans dead isn't enough for you.

That's seriously fucked up.

I'm serious.

[hombre]

How many of your neighbors have died so far?

20,597. You don't care about people, we get it.

[Spurtacular]

Seriously, 20,000 Americans dead isn't enough for you.

That's seriously fucked up.

I'm serious.


20,597. You don't care about people, we get it.

Oh, the humanity!

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, the humanity!Holy shit, you're seriously joking about 20,000 dead Americans.

That's fucking disgusting.

[Spurtacular]

Holy shit, you're seriously joking about 20,000 dead Americans.

That's fucking disgusting.

Surely, you can refrain from spamming the main board with your false narratives, bruh.

[ChumpDumper]

Surely, you can refrain from spamming the main board with your false narratives, bruh.Fuck off.

[Spurtacular]

Fuck off.

Classy.

[hombre]

You think covid-19 is a hoax?

Hahaha!

[baseline bum]

South Korea's worst day so far only had 9 deaths. Must be nice to live in a country run by responsible adults instead of criminals who place no value in human life and only care about capital.

[byrontx]

The neighbor across the sounded like hell yesterday. She’s young, in her 40’s but she was hacking away yesterday while outside with family. A really bad hack. I think they may hauled her off to the ER.

[BackHome]

South Korea's worst day so far only had 9 deaths. Must be nice to live in a country run by responsible adults instead of criminals who place no value in human life and only care about capital.

So I guess Italy, France, Spain, Britain must not place value on human life since they have had more then 9 deaths per your argument? And that there government must be run by criminals that place no value on human life? Right that’s what your arguments is saying......................

Spain — 17,000 deaths
Italy - 20,000 death
France - 14,000 deaths
UK - 11,000 deaths

[baseline bum]

So I guess Italy, France, Spain, Britain must not place value on human life since they have had more then 9 deaths per your argument? And that there government must be run by criminals that place no value on human life? Right that’s what your arguments is saying......................

Spain — 17,000 deaths
Italy - 20,000 death
France - 14,000 deaths
UK - 11,000 deaths

The US had two months to prepare but instead your boy pretended it was some Democratic hoax and now he's responsible for 20,000 dead with many more to come. Thanks Trumptard for putting this fuck in power.

[Sugus]

I wonder how the pandemic will affect the next US election cycle. On the one hand, to anyone who doesn't have Trump's nutsack up their throat, it's incredibly obvious how unfit he and his goons are to run the show. The pandemic was maybe the most glaring example possible of how badly ran the US is right now. On the other hand, the opposing candidate to Trump is Joe Biden... Hardly a solid choice by the Dems. The US will have a tough choice to make.

[slick'81]

I wonder how the pandemic will affect the next US election cycle. On the one hand, to anyone who doesn't have Trump's nutsack up their throat, it's incredibly obvious how unfit he and his goons are to run the show. The pandemic was maybe the most glaring example possible of how badly ran the US is right now. On the other hand, the opposing candidate to Trump is Joe Biden... Hardly a solid choice by the Dems. The US will have a tough choice to make.


its trump's election to lose,tbh

[ducks]

“I believe realDonaldTrump acted VERY, VERY EARLY.”

- Dr. Anthony Fauci

[ducks]

Shannon3 hours ago
I am a native born Miamian and still live in South Florida. I watched the news day after day when this virus was becoming a problem here. The governor and several mayors warned everyone about what harm social gatherings could produce. Outdoor activities such as concerts and parties were being cancelled. But did everyone listen? Then the beaches were closed and all that did was cause anger among some. People were still gathering on South Beach and along the coastline. And it wasn't just the spring breakers as many locals were just as guilty. Some being interviewed on the local news only showed defiance. Just last night, police needed to subdue a customer because he didn't feel that he needed to wear a face covering while in a pharmacy..I guess people need someone to blame when they don't heed warnings. It's always someone else's fault when things go wrong.

[hombre]

Man, you post the dumbest shit.

[KobesAchilles]

So I guess Italy, France, Spain, Britain must not place value on human life since they have had more then 9 deaths per your argument? And that there government must be run by criminals that place no value on human life? Right that’s what your arguments is saying......................

Spain — 17,000 deaths
Italy - 20,000 death
France - 14,000 deaths
UK - 11,000 deaths
Bad examples as far as I’m concerned. When has Britain, in its entire history, ever cared about the value of human life? Spain never recovered after killing millions of its own people during WW2. I mean they were struggling way before Corona and not many Spanish actually had much faith in its government. And Italy, well I can blame the Chinese way more than anything seeing as that was the vacation spot for hundreds of thousands of potential carriers. France was almost in a another “revolution” like last year weren’t they? I’m pretty sure the people there feel like their country is being run by criminals.

[hombre]

“Now one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can't keep up with it.”

Donald Trump

[exstatic]

I wonder how the pandemic will affect the next US election cycle. On the one hand, to anyone who doesn't have Trump's nutsack up their throat, it's incredibly obvious how unfit he and his goons are to run the show. The pandemic was maybe the most glaring example possible of how badly ran the US is right now. On the other hand, the opposing candidate to Trump is Joe Biden... Hardly a solid choice by the Dems. The US will have a tough choice to make.

Trump won 3 states by a total of 100,000 votes. One of those states was Michigan (16 EVs), and he's throwing a tantrum over lack of grovelling by their governor, a newly elected Dem, and withholding aide. He's also basically telling his FOX news hypnotized followers to run out into the Pandemic. I kind of look at that as the GOP inadvertently purging their own voter roles. Every election since 2016 has shown steady Democratic growth, first the House, and then state legislatures and governorships.

[exstatic]

its trump's election to lose,tbh

He will. He's run into an impossible foe :covid19. He can't lie to it, gaslight it, bully it, or ignore it. At that point, you have run out of the tools in Trump's very tiny toolbox. Without clear intelligent leadership, this virus will ravage our country, and reveal Trump's lack of ability to execute the duties of his office to folks in the middle who may have just voted for him because he wasn't Hillary.

[baseline bum]

Trump won 3 states by a total of 100,000 votes. One of those states was Michigan (16 EVs), and he's throwing a tantrum over lack of grovelling by their governor, a newly elected Dem, and withholding aide. He's also basically telling his FOX news hypnotized followers to run out into the Pandemic. I kind of look at that as the GOP inadvertently purging their own voter roles. Every election since 2016 has shown steady Democratic growth, first the House, and then state legislatures and governorships.

Minorities are dying at a way higher clip. He's purging the Democrats' voters at a higher rate.

[exstatic]

Minorities are dying at a way higher clip. He's purging the Democrats' voters at a higher rate.

Most of those folks have already been purged from the voting rolls. Older folks, boomers, are dying at a higher rate than minorities, and they are almost exclusively Trump voters.

[Russ]

“Now one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can't keep up with it.”

Donald Trump

Ever notice how Trump reserves the highest praise for pathogens and dictators?

Putin is "a strong leader, very powerful." Like Erdogan and Xi and the bone-saw wielding MBS.

In Trump's world, only the most deadly virus could be worthy of the accolade "brilliant" (as opposed to "sleepy" or "low energy").

[baseline bum]

Most of those folks have already been purged from the voting rolls. Older folks, boomers, are dying at a higher rate than minorities, and they are almost exclusively Trump voters.

Lots of older brown people. You think it's Trump voters being killed off in New York, Detroit, and New Orleans?

[Slippy]

The US had two months to prepare but instead your boy pretended it was some Democratic hoax and now he's responsible for 20,000 dead with many more to come. Thanks Trumptard for putting this fuck in power.

Australia and new Zealand are also bucking the trend like South Koria.. Valid examples of leadership helping saving lives and containing the spread . They took action early and followed the advice of our health experts.

Remember asking my sis whos in Dallas by late February, why arnt you social distancing already? Her response TRUMP got one eye on the stock market.

Be safe people. Stay home and social distance is my advice. That's if you can.

[baseline bum]

Australia and new Zealand are also bucking the trend like South Koria.. Valid examples of leadership helping saving lives and containing the spread . They took action early and followed the advice of our health experts.

Remember asking my sis whos in Dallas by late February, why arnt you social distancing already? Her response TRUMP got one eye on the stock market.

The United States is a failed nation. There is no way to deny it now.

[Atl Spur]

Hi Ducks........having fun yet?

[Atl Spur]

Only 20k deaths.....everything’s under control! Got covid 19 right where we want it:)

[baseline bum]

Only 20k deaths.....everything’s under control! Got covid 19 right where we want it:)

15 and down to zero soon

[Atl Spur]

Back home where are you working these days?

[Atl Spur]

15 and down to zero soon

Right?

[ducks]

The World Health Organization (WHO) is under fire after Taiwan released the contents of a December email inquiring about the person to person spread of COVID-19, saying it was instead ignored by WHO and denied adequate information to fight the virus.

Taiwan is accusing WHO of downplaying the severity and spread of the coronavirus in an attempt to pander to China even after Taiwan sounded the alarm about at least seven cases of atypical pneumonia that they were aware of in Wuhan where the virus originated.

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1249827680788381697?s=20

[ducks]

HOPE FOR CHANGE3 hours ago
Back in February, health officials in New York told residents to congregate in huge crowds in “defiance” of President Trump's coronavirus response, a move that could have exposed thousands of people to COVID-19.

New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot posted a tweet on February 9 urging citizens to flock to Chinatown in large numbers to celebrate the lunar new year while suggesting that advice to avoid crowds was “misinformation.”

Commissioner Oxiris Barbot

✔@NYCHealthCommr

Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus.

https://on.nyc.gov/377LlcH

[hombre]

Anyone that would believe that Trump would have listened to W.H.O. is fooling themselves.

[ducks]

What this Yahoo report and the other media reports totally leave out is Fauchis later response where he says in response to one questioner: “not once did the President not follow my recommendations as soon as I asked him to do so. Fauchi said the President always followed his immediate recommendations and requests. The media, including Yahoo, leaves that out that was asked and discussed in Monday’s Task Force briefing of April 13, 2020. Start telling the truth and maybe the Nation will start reading and listening to the media.
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[BackHome]

I remember Nancy Pelosi was in China Town in San Fran on March 24 saying everything is fine wanting people to come out with her and saying everything is A OK.

[baseline bum]

It's ok, Trump has only killed 23,711 Americans, soon to go to zero.

[Spurs Homer]

some tasty delicious copypasta here - choke on it trumptards:


January 20: I know more about viruses than anyone.”

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

And this timeline as well.

Jan 19th - Trump golfs

Jan 20th - first case of corona virus in the US, Washington State.

Jan 22nd - “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

Jan 28th - Trump campaign rally

Jan 30th - Trump campaign rally

Feb 1st - Trump golfs

Feb 2nd - “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."

Feb 5th - Senate votes to acquit. Then Trump takes a five-day weekend.

Feb 10th - Trump campaign rally

Feb 12th - Dow Jones closes at an all time high of 29,551.42

Feb 15h - Trump golfs

Feb 19th - Trump campaign rally

Feb 20th - Trump campaign rally

Feb 21st - Trump campaign rally

A second memo that Navarro wrote, dated Feb. 23 warned of a loss of life of as many as 1.2 million souls.

Feb 24th - “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb 25h - “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

Feb 25h - “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

Feb 26th - “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

Feb 26th - “We're going very substantially down, not up.” Also "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

AND PEOPLE DIED

[hombre]

I remember Nancy Pelosi was in China Town in San Fran on March 24 saying everything is fine wanting people to come out with her and saying everything is A OK.

You remember incorrectly, but no surprise there. Let's go back to the president, you know the guy in charge who says he has absolute power now?

[BacktoBasics]

What this Yahoo report and the other media reports totally leave out is Fauchis later response where he says in response to one questioner: “not once did the President not follow my recommendations as soon as I asked him to do so. Fauchi said the President always followed his immediate recommendations and requests. The media, including Yahoo, leaves that out that was asked and discussed in Monday’s Task Force briefing of April 13, 2020. Start telling the truth and maybe the Nation will start reading and listening to the media.
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You seem to care more about winning some imaginary political battle on behalf of people who don’t give a shit about you than 20 thousand + dead people.

Everything is in a political vacuum for people like you. You can only digest reality through the preapproved and accepted ideological lens. Not just pathetic but uninspired posting from you time and again.

[hombre]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/total-authority-trumps-claim-presidential-024731814.html (http://www.yahoo.com/news/total-authority-trumps-claim-presidential-024731814.html)

[exstatic]

I remember Nancy Pelosi was in China Town in San Fran on March 24 saying everything is fine wanting people to come out with her and saying everything is A OK.

California was shut up tighter than a drum by then, and she isn't a retard like Trump. Do you have a non-propaganda actual news source for your assertion?

[ChumpDumper]

California was shut up tighter than a drum by then, and she isn't a retard like Trump. Do you have a non-propaganda actual news source for your assertion?:lol he's only off by a full month.

[BackHome]

:lol he's only off by a full month.

My bad Chump you are correct it was February 24th.

[Prime BEEF]

I can’t believe this thread has 56 pages

[ducks]

After Trump in January declared a “humanitarian and security crisis" during a primetime Oval Office address, Sen. Chuck Schumer, speaking beside House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said Trump was working to “manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration."
Party leader Tom Perez also called it “manufactured.”

[ChumpDumper]

After Trump in January declared a “humanitarian and security crisis" during a primetime Oval Office address, Sen. Chuck Schumer, speaking beside House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said Trump was working to “manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration."
Party leader Tom Perez also called it “manufactured.”And Trump still did nothing.

[TDMVPDPOY]

People who die at home self isolating...they not part of the covit death toll?? something that china did, america doing the same?

[slick'81]

People who die at home self isolating...they not part of the covit death toll?? something that china did, america doing the same?


Hell nope

[ducks]

7200 people died according to un today for decades
But let’s blame trump for that!

[ChumpDumper]

People who die at home self isolating...they not part of the covit death toll?? something that china did, america doing the same?They're starting to do that here. NY just put their numbers in.

[pad300]

A question for all the OMG Trump is the devil folks here... When we're looking back at this come fall, how many US dead counts as a successful response to the CCP virus pandemic?

[ChumpDumper]

A question for all the OMG Trump is the devil folks here... When we're looking back at this come fall, how many US dead counts as a successful response to the CCP virus pandemic?However many Trump claims is a good number of deaths.

If he's even talking about the dead by then. He didn't mention them today.

[pad300]

However many Trump claims is a good number of deaths.

So you trust his judgement that much, that he'll be right in his assessment... seem's pretty likely you'll figure his response has been success. Surely you'll vote for a guy who's been successful in fighting off this terrible pandemic...

Or, just maybe, your dodging the question...

[ChumpDumper]

So you trust his judgement that much, that he'll be right in his assessment... seem's pretty likely you'll figure his response has been success. Surely you'll vote for a guy who's been successful in fighting off this terrible pandemic...

Or, just maybe, your dodging the question...Is he successfully fighting off the pandemic in your opinion?

I honestly don't know what number of dead Americans equals success here. Help me out.

[EP Money Man]

Get em ducks!

Let’s go back to work already!

[pad300]

Is he successfully fighting off the pandemic in your opinion?

I honestly don't know what number of dead Americans equals success here. Help me out.

Yep, that's a dodge.

So you won't define a level of success that Trump could achieve in fighting this thing that you'd say he did a good job. You're just looking to attack him in a crisis (for the whole nation, not just him), in the hopes of bringing him down. Damage to the nation be damned... Induced panic that inconveniences or even kills fellow americans; well that's the cost of doing business...

[baseline bum]

Yep, that's a dodge.

So you won't define a level of success that Trump could achieve in fighting this thing that you'd say he did a good job. You're just looking to attack him in a crisis (for the whole nation, not just him), in the hopes of bringing him down. Damage to the nation be damned... Induced panic that inconveniences or even kills fellow americans; well that's the cost of doing business...

Successful would be South Korea with 225 deaths and the economy still open despite them having their patient 0 at the same time we did. Trump is responsible for 26000 American deaths in 3.5 weeks and led us into another great depression and still his cult loves him because they're emotionally validated by his rants and raving at the media.

[weebo]

A question for all the OMG Trump is the devil folks here... When we're looking back at this come fall, how many US dead counts as a successful response to the CCP virus pandemic?

Easy for someone to throw out dead counts to justify the actions/inactions of the orange shitgoblin when it doesn't personally affect you. How about we ask it this way...how many of your loved ones are you willing to lose (your children, wife, girlfriend, grandparents, parents etc) to CV19 for you to call Trump's response to the pandemic successful?

[baseline bum]

Easy for someone to throw out dead counts to justify the actions/inactions of the orange shitgoblin when it doesn't personally affect you. How about we ask it this way...how many of your loved ones are you willing to lose (your children, wife, girlfriend, grandparents, parents etc) to CV19 for you to call Trump's response to the pandemic successful?

All of them if he's a typical Trumptard.

[weebo]

All of them if he's a typical Trumptard.

Believe it or not but I've come across some patients who also happen to be staunch Trump supporters who told me that "they didn't think it was this bad because it's not what we saw on the news." I'm guessing they were getting most of their info from Fox or some such right wing propaganda news media.

[baseline bum]

Believe it or not but I've come across some patients who also happen to be staunch Trump supporters who told me that "they didn't think it was this bad because it's not what we saw on the news." I'm guessing they were getting most of their info from Fox or some such right wing propaganda news media.

Of course I believe it. It wasn't even as bad as the flu on ClearChannel.

[Mugen]

Donnie unfurling the Mission Accomplished banner over 50k American graves...single tear down the cheeks of Trump 'tards across the nation....what a time to be alive tbh :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Yep, that's a dodge.

So you won't define a level of success that Trump could achieve in fighting this thing that you'd say he did a good job. You're just looking to attack him in a crisis (for the whole nation, not just him), in the hopes of bringing him down. Damage to the nation be damned... Induced panic that inconveniences or even kills fellow americans; well that's the cost of doing business...
I'll say he's already failed you and killed fellow Americans and you're making excuses for him. His chance to not fail was gone months ago and there's nothing you can do about it. We are living and dying in his failure right now. The body count is his.

[pad300]

I'll say he's already failed you and killed fellow Americans and you're making excuses for him. His chance to not fail was gone months ago and there's nothing you can do about it. We are living and dying in his failure right now. The body count is his.

So, any deaths in a global pandemic situation, is inherently a failure... I guess it's a standard, but, you expect any president, no matter whom, to live up to it?

[BackHome]

What I am kinda surprised was in how ill prepared New York City was to the crisis I would have thought that after 911 that they would be better prepared. They new that sooner or latter they would be targeted with either a dirty bomb or a biological terrorist attack. Though a city as large as New York no matter what you do you will have high amount of loss just due to the amount of people living so close to each other. Also that fact that I think that the virus was out probably in November just speculation but I think the CCP really did a number on the world.

[ChumpDumper]

So, any deaths in a global pandemic situation, is inherently a failure... I guess it's a standard, but, you expect any president, no matter whom, to live up to it?No, Trump's refusal to prepare for this months ago is the failure. The thousands of needless deaths are the result.

The test was two months ago. Do you understand that?

[BacktoBasics]

As bad as Trump is I see very little difference in outcome had anyone else been in office. Hindsight is always 20/20 so it’s easy to assume such a self indulgent asshole should have acted sooner but I think we’d see roughly the same results leading into late March.

I do however think any pick of the litter... left or right would have handled things much better on a state level going into late March and into April. Playing favorites and attaching aid to some imaginary level of appreciation is inexcusable.

A better scenario would be an end to the two party system and a complete wipeout of most of the major players on both sides.

[pad300]

Easy for someone to throw out dead counts to justify the actions/inactions of the orange shitgoblin when it doesn't personally affect you. How about we ask it this way...how many of your loved ones are you willing to lose (your children, wife, girlfriend, grandparents, parents etc) to CV19 for you to call Trump's response to the pandemic successful?


All of them if he's a typical Trumptard.

People of Spurstalk, name calling and attacks on other peoples morals, as opposed to actually answering the question. Good faith and honesty on display...

However, in the interest of going the extra mile, I wouldn't be happy about losing any of my loved ones. But just about anyone who dies is going to be someone's loved one... At a national level, is my grief much more (or less) important than that of someone else? Can I honestly say that such, as yet hypothetical deaths, are Trump's fault, could realistically have been prevented by some other president? That's a pretty long reach...

[pad300]

Successful would be South Korea with 225 deaths and the economy still open despite them having their patient 0 at the same time we did.

Hey, an actual reply.

So the only level of success that a president could achieve, that you would call successful, is to match what is to date, the best response in the world... It's a standard to hold, but hard to believe it's realistic... or a standard you would apply to a democrat president.

[dbestpro]

Did the leadership of South Korea make the difference in a low death rate or was it the fact that the entire population went right into lock down without any whining or complaining? If anyone is responsible for the American deaths it is those who would not listen even to the medical leadership and decided to go play as usual. Besides, when our lifetimes did an entire US population do as they were told by leadership.

So, in the end the American people are responsible for the American lives lost and the American lives saved.

[baseline bum]

Hey, an actual reply.

So the only level of success that a president could achieve, that you would call successful, is to match what is to date, the best response in the world... It's a standard to hold, but hard to believe it's realistic... or a standard you would apply to a democrat president.

It's not hard to believe it's realistic when we're the richest country on Earth and could have done the exact same thing if we had a president who took the pandemic seriously instead of spending two months pretending it was nothing. Instead we have 26,000 dead with many more to come and a new great depression thanks to the piece of shit you keep defending here.

[baseline bum]

Did the leadership of South Korea make the difference in a low death rate or was it the fact that the entire population went right into lock down without any whining or complaining? If anyone is responsible for the American deaths it is those who would not listen even to the medical leadership and decided to go play as usual. Besides, when our lifetimes did an entire US population do as they were told by leadership.

So, in the end the American people are responsible for the American lives lost and the American lives saved.

South Korea didn't lock down. They ramped up testing early and did very aggressive contact tracing and that's why they're in great shape. Trump still doesn't want to ramp up testing and contact tracing so that would could actually open up safely again after this lockdown even seeing what it has done for South Korea.

And by your definition Trump is responsible for the American deaths because he would not listen to medical leadership and decided to go play as usual.

[Spurtacular]

Is he successfully fighting off the pandemic in your opinion?

I honestly don't know what number of dead Americans equals success here. Help me out.

What number of freedoms revoked equals success?

[Spurtacular]

Did the leadership of South Korea make the difference in a low death rate or was it the fact that the entire population went right into lock down without any whining or complaining? If anyone is responsible for the American deaths it is those who would not listen even to the medical leadership and decided to go play as usual. Besides, when our lifetimes did an entire US population do as they were told by leadership.

So, in the end the American people are responsible for the American lives lost and the American lives saved.

Sweden didn't lock down and they are doing pretty good. :tu

[pad300]

No, Trump's refusal to prepare for this months ago is the failure. The thousands of needless deaths are the result.

The test was two months ago. Do you understand that?

Two months ago, 15 February... By that time,
he'd formed a corona virus task force (29 jan).
Declared a public health emergency and put in place large travel restrictions to and from China (31 Jan).
Repeatedly tried to push CDC research teams to China, but was refused by the CCP.
The CDC developed and was shipping test kits to US and International labs by Feb 6 (yes, it was fucked up, but that's a lab error, not the administration not preparing...).
Met with and briefed State Governors across the nation (Feb 9).
"expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine." (Feb 11).
The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus (Feb 14).

Really, there was no preparation at all... So which hypothetical administration would have done so much more?

[baseline bum]

Donnie unfurling the Mission Accomplished banner over 50k American graves...single tear down the cheeks of Trump 'tards across the nation....what a time to be alive tbh :lol

:lol

[baseline bum]

As bad as Trump is I see very little difference in outcome had anyone else been in office. Hindsight is always 20/20 so it’s easy to assume such a self indulgent asshole should have acted sooner but I think we’d see roughly the same results leading into late March.

I do however think any pick of the litter... left or right would have handled things much better on a state level going into late March and into April. Playing favorites and attaching aid to some imaginary level of appreciation is inexcusable.

A better scenario would be an end to the two party system and a complete wipeout of most of the major players on both sides.

You think Obama would have called it a Republican hoax and refused to produce WHO tests in mass quantities? I hate this bothsides bullshit any time the Republicans fuck something up.

[ChumpDumper]

Two months ago, 15 February... By that time,
he'd formed a corona virus task force (29 jan).
Declared a public health emergency and put in place large travel restrictions to and from China (31 Jan).
Repeatedly tried to push CDC research teams to China, but was refused by the CCP.
The CDC developed and was shipping test kits to US and International labs by Feb 6 (yes, it was fucked up, but that's a lab error, not the administration not preparing...).
Met with and briefed State Governors across the nation (Feb 9).
"expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine." (Feb 11).
The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus (Feb 14).

Really, there was no preparation at all... So which hypothetical administration would have done so much more?Any one that would've paid attention to this:

https://images.axios.com/kzByRbW3vFt2twm-dkDmR4lD2lQ=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2020/04/07/1586225511158.jpg

https://images.axios.com/2dEUbyY0NsSKiGuu6NScEXEi8HI=/2020/04/07/1586224877066.jpg

https://images.axios.com/O6BhT0g7n3c39IYi2QEtHCHr6eA=/2020/04/07/1586225117615.jpg

https://images.axios.com/FLHpRMDkJLhgEEsfuPEKkb8bgVY=/2020/04/07/1586225155736.jpg

https://images.axios.com/4AfyozauHk--9yq8sPegaHfwH-A=/2020/04/07/1586225182667.jpg

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-navarro-deaths-coronavirus-memos-january-da3f08fb-dce1-4f69-89b5-ea048f8382a9.html

Give me the list of things in the memo Trump did.

Thanks in advance.

[BacktoBasics]

You think Obama would have called it a Republican hoax and refused to produce WHO tests in mass quantities? I hate this bothsides bullshit any time the Republicans fuck something up.
I’m actually not playing the “yeah but” game. I’m speaking more to the outcome in deaths as of mid April.
Maybe another person in office could have saved a thousand lives. Maybe not. I think generally speaking we’d still be in a similar situation.

Don’t mistake my comments as some thinly veiled measure of support. The guys a disgrace, absolute embarrassment and so are a great deal of his supporters.

Do I think other politicians would act more dignified and show a greater deal of respect and empathy. Of course.

But we’d still be looking at 20k + deaths with Pelosi or Biden.

The real difference will be a year from now. I think his inability to work with anyone not sucking his dick will cause irreparable damage down the road.

[pad300]

It's realistic when we're the richest country on Earth and could have done the exact same thing .

Actually, it's pretty unlikely. We don't have the same legal system, nor the same level of let's call it "social control" as they do:

"South Korea has used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases."

Legally getting access to that data in the US would be extremely difficult, especially tied to individual medical records. Not to mention that kind of thing is theoretically a state level responsibility - you would have to get them onside. Not to mention our government integrated surveillance camera density (and data integration) is simply miniscule compared to theirs.

"In 2014, South Korean cities had over 8 million CCTV cameras, or one camera per 6.3 people. In 2010, everyone was captured an average of 83.1 times per day and every nine seconds while travelling. These figures are likely to be much higher today. Considering the physical size of the country, it is safe to say South Korea has one of the highest densities of surveillance technology in the world."

Whereas in the US, the vast majority of CCTV cameras are in private and commercial use, not databased for national use. It would be very hard to implement the South Korean model

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sweden didn't lock down and they are doing pretty good. :tu

Are you out of your mind? Sweden have a lot of deaths compared to other countries with similar population. In fact they’re the 6th worst for deaths per a million people. As a result they’ve recently changed their tune completely - check what their prime minister said just a couple of days ago. They’re a total failure.

[ChumpDumper]

Sweden didn't lock down and they are doing pretty good. :tuTheir death rate is four times that of Norway and eight times that of Finland.

[pad300]

I’m actually not playing the “yeah but” game. I’m speaking more to the outcome in deaths as of mid April.
Maybe another person in office could have saved a thousand lives. Maybe not. I think generally speaking we’d still be in a similar situation.

...

But we’d still be looking at 20k + deaths with Pelosi or Biden.



I disagree with you here. The best play Trump has made so far was his Jan 31 travel ban. I really doubt, judging by the 2 months they spent screaming racist about it, that either of them would have implemented it. It's my estimate, that the reason we are 2 weeks to a month delayed from Italy/Spain/France is that travel ban. If it had gotten here a month earlier... We'd still be in the middle of the CDC testing fiasco, having not gotten to private sector testing. We'd have a lot less preparation achieved... If we hit france, 263 dead/miillion people according to worldometers, we'd be at ~85000 dead, and a hospital system that is not currently overloaded anywhere (even NYC, it's close, but they still have limited beds and ventilators available) would likely be broken in a lot of places.

[baseline bum]

Actually, it's pretty unlikely. We don't have the same legal system, nor the same level of let's call it "social control" as they do:

"South Korea has used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases."

Legally getting access to that data in the US would be extremely difficult, especially tied to individual medical records. Not to mention that kind of thing is theoretically a state level responsibility - you would have to get them onside. Not to mention our government integrated surveillance camera density (and data integration) is simply miniscule compared to theirs.

"In 2014, South Korean cities had over 8 million CCTV cameras, or one camera per 6.3 people. In 2010, everyone was captured an average of 83.1 times per day and every nine seconds while travelling. These figures are likely to be much higher today. Considering the physical size of the country, it is safe to say South Korea has one of the highest densities of surveillance technology in the world."

Whereas in the US, the vast majority of CCTV cameras are in private and commercial use, not databased for national use. It would be very hard to implement the South Korean model

The US could have just bought the tracking data collected on peoples' phones and/or requested it from the telecoms. And the US didn't do any reasonable amount of testing for the longest time. Trump was promising mobile testing in Walmart and Walgreens parking lots a month ago and of course it was a lie, like everything else that comes out his mouth. On that dark night of 11-9-2016 all I could think was what if we have another Katrina or another 9/11 with this corrupt piece of shit in power. How many would die? Instead we get a 9/11 every day with the worst crisis this nation has faced since WWII.

[pad300]

Give me the list of things in the memo Trump did.



Read the memo yourself "go to the Hill this week and ask for funds". Appropriating money is CONGRESS. I'm not sure what reality you're living in if your suggesting he hasn't publicly, politically pushed for more money out of congress... There have been hold-ups, but a significant portion of them belong to the Democrat party.

In the meanwhile, His administration pushed manufacturers for more PPE, and banned exports of same. His administration pushed to for more and better diagnostics, suspending numerous FDA regulations. His administration has pushed forward a multi-manufacturer chase for a vaccine. His administration has pushed the development of therapeutic treatments. All these things have been done, and are continuing to be done.

[ChumpDumper]

I disagree with you here. The best play Trump has made so far was his Jan 31 travel ban.Nearly 40,000 Americans and authorized travelers have come into the U.S. from China since President Trump imposed travel restrictions

At least 430,000 people have flown to the U.S. from China since Dec. 31, when China first informed the World Health Organization about cases of novel coronavirus in Wuhan.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-trump-china-travel-ban-45a2da12-8063-4ad9-ba28-61cdeb1ce0b3.html

And the New York outbreak is thought to have come in on a flight from Europe. The general panic and crowding on flights and in airports from confused Americans rushing home from abroad probably didn't help either.

[ChumpDumper]

Read the memo yourself "go to the Hill this week and ask for funds". Appropriating money is CONGRESS. I'm not sure what reality you're living in if your suggesting he hasn't publicly, politically pushed for more money out of congress... There have been hold-ups, but a significant portion of them belong to the Democrat party.When did they go to congress to ask for the money for the things in the memo?


In the meanwhile, His administration pushed manufacturers for more PPEWhen did that happen?

Give the dates.

I did.

[pad300]

The US could have just bought the tracking data collected on peoples' phones and/or requested it from the telecoms.

Cellphone data, yep, could have bought it. Legally, after getting a warrant for every individual. Then you would have to get HIPAA approval to tie it to medical records. There's another court case... And then you have to build the data infrastructure to tie it all together. Not to mention use of cash in the US is much more common (less credit card data), and cell phones are actually less common in the US than SK. It all adds up.


And the US didn't do any reasonable amount of testing for the longest time.
That is true. Could another administration have fixed this? It's not like Trump was in the CDC lab, making errors in test design and then in manufacturing center getting the reagents contaminated... Not using foreign tests, there legislation on the books for decades about the US gov't having to buy US, unless there is no alternative. Legally, they had to do it in house. I really doubt, that a democrat administration, friendly with the bureaucracy would be blowing up regulations like that faster than the Trump administration.

[pad300]

And the New York outbreak is thought to have come in on a flight from Europe.

So you're arguing the virus had to take a roundabout route through Europe, and this wasn't a delay?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/sunday-review/coronavirus-quarantine.html

"The W.H.O.’s epidemic-modeling teams concluded that travel restrictions had slowed the spread of the virus outside China by two to three weeks.

For the United States, the delay was probably far greater. Air-traffic data shows that flights from China to the United States dropped much more than they did to Europe."

[weebo]

People of Spurstalk, name calling and attacks on other peoples morals, as opposed to actually answering the question. Good faith and honesty on display...

However, in the interest of going the extra mile, I wouldn't be happy about losing any of my loved ones. But just about anyone who dies is going to be someone's loved one... At a national level, is my grief much more (or less) important than that of someone else? Can I honestly say that such, as yet hypothetical deaths, are Trump's fault, could realistically have been prevented by some other president? That's a pretty long reach...

As a healthcare provider myself (who has lost a colleague to CV19) any lives lost to this disease is unacceptable and using some number of deaths, hypothetical or not, to justify how well Trump response is or was is disgusting. Yes, people will die and I have seen it for myself. And I have seen the helpless/hopeless look on patients, family, doctors, nurses etc faces...and it's not Trump's fault but he isn't helping either and for those of us on the frontlines that's the worst thing you can during this time.

[ChumpDumper]

So you're arguing the virus had to take a roundabout route through Europe, and this wasn't a delay?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/sunday-review/coronavirus-quarantine.html

"The W.H.O.’s epidemic-modeling teams concluded that travel restrictions had slowed the spread of the virus outside China by two to three weeks.

For the United States, the delay was probably far greater. Air-traffic data shows that flights from China to the United States dropped much more than they did to Europe."40,000 still came in directly.

I'm not saying there wasn't a delay. It would've been nice if more had been done in that time. Pretending everything that could have been done was done is silly.

[pad300]

When did they go to congress to ask for the money for the things in the memo?

When did that happen?

Give the dates.

I did.

Memo date 2/23/20...

1 google search later:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/white-house-prepares-budget-request-for-emergency-coronavirus-funds-2020-02-24

Looks about like the 2/24/20 to me. You could actually look these things up yourself. Pay a little attention to something other than the Democrat party's talking points. You might learn something.

[hombre]

As bad as Trump is I see very little difference in outcome had anyone else been in office. Hindsight is always 20/20 so it’s easy to assume such a self indulgent asshole should have acted sooner but I think we’d see roughly the same results leading into late March.

I do however think any pick of the litter... left or right would have handled things much better on a state level going into late March and into April. Playing favorites and attaching aid to some imaginary level of appreciation is inexcusable.

A Democrat wouldn't have fired the entire pandemic response team like Trump did.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

Plus there's that whole science thing the Republicans don't believe in.

[pad300]

40,000 still came in directly.

I'm not saying there wasn't a delay. It would've been nice if more had been done in that time. Pretending everything that could have been done was done is silly.

Now there, you have an argument. But without that delay, and what WAS done in that time (if it only getting fuckups out of the way - see the CDC testing fiasco), we would be a LOT worse off. I do not believe any democrat admin ( a Hillary admin, yeah right), nor even most internationalist republican ones (Bush II), would have put that ban in place. An argument that any other administration would be doing better than the current Trump administration, becomes difficult to believe, because of that.

[ChumpDumper]

Memo date 2/23/20...

1 google search later:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/white-house-prepares-budget-request-for-emergency-coronavirus-funds-2020-02-24

Looks about like the 2/24/20 to me. You could actually look these things up yourself. Pay a little attention to something other than the Democrat party's talking points. You might learn something.Good. Now you're getting it.

And when was the first order for ppe made?

[pad300]

A Democrat wouldn't have fired the entire pandemic response team like Trump did.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/


Snopes...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/former-nsc-official-denies-claims-that-trump-administration-cut-pandemic-response-office

Yes, things got re-org. This happens in bureaucracies. Are people spreading BS. Yep, that happens in Washington.

Snopes, IIRC, the same people who rated "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it" true, up until after Barrack Obama's last election campaign...

[pad300]

Good. Now you're getting it.

And when was the first order for ppe made?

DO
YOUR
OWN
GOOGLE
WORK

[BackHome]

You think Obama would have called it a Republican hoax and refused to produce WHO tests in mass quantities? I hate this bothsides bullshit any time the Republicans fuck something up.

You talking about the same Obama that told Syria “Hey if you use biological weapons against your own people that is crossing the RED line and you better watch out if that happens” What happened Syria crossed the RED line and used biological weapons against there own people. What did Obama do?

You talking about the same Obama that whispered to Putin “Our Russian Mortal Foe ” Wait until after the elections and then I’ll have more flexibility.

You talking about the same Obama that allowed Russian “Putin” to invade Ukraine and took over Crimea? And did nothing

Nay I don’t think he would have been up to the challenge/ He is a great speaker though.

[baseline bum]

You talking about the same Obama that told Syria “Hey if you use biological weapons against your own people that is crossing the RED line and you better watch out if that happens” What happened Syria crossed the RED line and used biological weapons against there own people. What did Obama do?

You talking about the same Obama that whispered to Putin “Our Russian Mortal Foe ” Wait until after the elections and then I’ll have more flexibility.

You talking about the same Obama that allowed Russian “Putin” to invade Ukraine and took over Crimea? And did nothing

Nay I don’t think he would have been up to the challenge/ He is a great speaker though.

So you think Obama would have called it a Republican hoax and refused to produce WHO tests in mass quantities?

[BacktoBasics]

A Democrat wouldn't have fired the entire pandemic response team like Trump did.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

Plus there's that whole science thing the Republicans don't believe in.
I’m well aware of what he did. It flies in the face of common sense. I still don’t think it changes much.

Most liberals weren’t on board when he started closing incoming air travel. So I don’t know how differently things would have gone. Of course now we can look back and see how much more should have been done but I didn’t see a bunch of politicians demanding a whole lot in January.

The real truth is that we should have had a hard lock down for 3 weeks in February. A near complete travel ban across the board would have been huge. This “essential business” thing is laughable. It should have been a hard lock down and no politician would have been for that. I’m talking nearly all businesses closed, limited state to state travel, limited to no major city to city travel. Clear the streets and isolate. That would have saved lives. So I don’t see how things would have been more than marginally better with anyone else. Because no politician would have gone to those lengths.

The problem with you guys is that you’ve sold out to a side and debate accordingly. When what should have been done was never on the table or even considered by either party.

[ChumpDumper]

DO
YOUR
OWN
GOOGLE
WORKAw, giving up so soon?

The answer is mid March.

The order won't come in until later this month.

[ChumpDumper]

You talking about the same Obama that told Syria “Hey if you use biological weapons against your own people that is crossing the RED line and you better watch out if that happens” What happened Syria crossed the RED line and used biological weapons against there own people. What did Obama do?

You talking about the same Obama that whispered to Putin “Our Russian Mortal Foe ” Wait until after the elections and then I’ll have more flexibility.

You talking about the same Obama that allowed Russian “Putin” to invade Ukraine and took over Crimea? And did nothing

Nay I don’t think he would have been up to the challenge/ He is a great speaker though.:lol we know what Obama would do during a pandemic because there was a pandemic during his administration.

The fact you can't even remember it and now have to Google to get talking points say it all.

BTW -- he left the playbook for dealing with pandemics to the new administration.

It's literally called "The Playbook"....

And for pandemics I would hands down want W in change over anybody -- and that guy was a pretty shitty president overall. Dude wouldn't have fucked around with this at all though.

[baseline bum]

:lol we know what Obama would do during a pandemic because there was a pandemic during his administration.

The fact you can't even remember it and now have to Google to get talking points say it all.

BTW -- he left the playbook for dealing with pandemics to the new administration.

It's literally called "The Playbook"....

And for pandemics I would hands down want W in change over anybody -- and that guy was a pretty shitty president overall.

Who would pay attention to The Playbook from a guy in a tan suit?

[weebo]

I’m well aware of what he did. It flies in the face of common sense. I still don’t think it changes much.

Most liberals weren’t on board when he started closing incoming air travel. So I don’t know how differently things would have gone. Of course now we can look back and see how much more should have been done but I didn’t see a bunch of politicians demanding a whole lot in January.

The real truth is that we should have had a hard lock down for 3 weeks in February. A near complete travel ban across the board would have been huge. This “essential business” thing is laughable. It should have been a hard lock down and no politician would have been for that. I’m talking nearly all businesses closed, limited state to state travel, limited to no major city to city travel. Clear the streets and isolate. That would have saved lives. So I don’t see how things would have been more than marginally better with anyone else. Because no politician would have gone to those lengths.

The problem with you guys is that you’ve sold out to a side and debate accordingly. When what should have been done was never on the table or even considered by either party.

Well...we can start back in May 2018 when Trump and his staff failed to replaced Timothy Ziemer, the senior director of global health and biodefense on the National Security Council. I mean that alone cost a few lives don't you think?

[BacktoBasics]

Well...we can start back in May 2018 when Trump and his staff failed to replaced Timothy Ziemer, the senior director of global health and biodefense on the National Security Council. I mean that alone cost a few lives don't you think?

Why not just send a Terminator back and have all these politicians mothers offed. That would be all kinds of interesting.

Probably change very little. It’s a horribly antiquated system.

[ducks]

Get em ducks!

Let’s go back to work already!

Never have quit working

[ducks]

Who would pay attention to The Playbook from a guy in a tan suit?

Yeah 44 nothing tell 1k died dead buried 6 feet deep

[weebo]

Why not just send a Terminator back and have all these politicians mothers offed. That would be all kinds of interesting.

Probably change very little. It’s a horribly antiquated system.

How do you know? There's a cause and effect, no? With a pandemic response team in place, maybe a few lives could have been saved, no? We could have stockpiled enough PPE, ventilators, etc all the way back in January. CV19 is not Trump's fault--his response or lack thereof is, then and now.

[ChumpDumper]

Why not just send a Terminator back and have all these politicians mothers offed. That would be all kinds of interesting.

Probably change very little. It’s a horribly antiquated system.I think Trump was the perfectly wrong choice to prepare for and lead the US through this crisis. Just about any national officeholder above Waters/Gohmert level would've done better.

[BacktoBasics]

I think Trump was the perfectly wrong choice to prepare for and lead the US through this crisis. Just about any national officeholder above Waters/Gohmert level would've done better.
I agree with the first point. You have no way real ability to prove the second.

That’s the problem with you absolutists. You’re spewing the same one sided argument that they are. Again. Not a single one of these politicians had the balls or even intelligence to speak out about what truly should have been done. Just a bunch of pandering and finger pointing from both sides.

[BacktoBasics]

How do you know? There's a cause and effect, no? With a pandemic response team in place, maybe a few lives could have been saved, no? We could have stockpiled enough PPE, ventilators, etc all the way back in January. CV19 is not Trump's fault--his response or lack thereof is, then and now.
Coulda woulda shoulda is the same thing they’d be saying too.

Give me the quote from early January where a politician stated we should begin stockpiling. I’ll be happy to applaud that foresight. Republican or Democrat. Not being sarcastic either. Once late February or even early March rolled around it was nothing more than hindsight.

It’s easy to find criticism in January when it’s all both sides do. I didn’t see a lot of hard line suggestions at that time.

[ChumpDumper]

I agree with the first point. You have no way real ability to prove the second.I can reasonably argue that just about any politician to which I referred would've followed most of the pandemic playbook that had been developed in the previous two administrations. Of course it's not totally provable.

[BacktoBasics]

I can reasonably argue that just about any politician to which I referred would've followed most of the pandemic playbook that had been developed in the previous two administrations. Of course it's not totally provable.

You don’t know what that playbook really consists of anyway. But more to the point you don’t know how closely anyone would follow that playbook.

Does the playbook call for a hard lockdown? We both know that no politician would be an advocate for that. Hell Cuomo argued the other day about any governments ability to create a hard quarantine. So you know it wouldn’t fly on either side.

[ChumpDumper]

Coulda woulda shoulda is the same thing they’d be saying too.

Give me the quote from early January where a politician stated we should begin stockpiling. I’ll be happy to applaud that foresight. Not being sarcastic either. Once late February or even early March rolled around it was nothing more than hindsight.

It’s easy to find criticism in January when it’s all both sides do. I didn’t see a lot of hard line suggestions at that time.Shit, there's no way most politicians had the intel Trump did when he got it.

I can give you feedback from when they did get the intel:

1225073987639705600

[BacktoBasics]

Shit, there's no way most politicians had the intel Trump did when he got it.

I can give you feedback from when they did get the intel:

1225073987639705600
I appreciate the effort but that’s not January and that’s not exactly what I asked for.

I don’t disagree with the tweet but at that point they were 3 weeks away from the first reported death. So again... we would have started implementing things in January to be truly effective. I don’t believe anyone would have done that.

So maybe another politician moves a week or two before trump. Great. Maybe it makes a small difference but we’d still be looking at 20k+ deaths.

[ChumpDumper]

You don’t know what that playbook really consists of anyway.It's available for anyone to read.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819703/WH-Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

Even a rube like me can walk through it pretty easily.

[ChumpDumper]

I appreciate the effort but that’s not January and that’s not exactly what I asked for.I'm saying that the executive branch gets all this information that other politicians don't get until the executive gives it to them. It's folly to ask what you did because it assumes every politician has the same intel at the same time.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm saying that the executive branch gets all this information that other politicians don't get until the executive gives it to them. It's folly to ask what you did because it assumes every politician has the same intel at the same time.You’re meandering a bit.

For any leader to have made a significant difference in outcome they would have needed to begin a strong response in January and a hard travel ban and lockdown in February. Before anyone even died. No politician would have done that.

You can split hairs all you want and I do agree that every one of those split hairs deserves it but it doesn’t move the needle in a significant measurable way.

[Spurtacular]

Their death rate is four times that of Norway and eight times that of Finland.

Cos NWO a-holes like you are fudging numbers.


Swedish officials had announced only 17 new deaths on Saturday, an implausibly low figure after an average jump of 94 during the week.
Health officials now say that 50 deaths were registered on Saturday, but many of them have not been revealed until after Easter.
Similarly, the 12 new deaths announced on Sunday were only a fraction of the 54 people who are now said to have died that day.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8222031/Swedens-Princess-Sofia-working-alongside-healthcare-staff-undergoing-intensive-training.html

[BacktoBasics]

The fucking people can’t even do the right thing. Look at those morons in Michigan.

[Spurtacular]

Are you out of your mind? Sweden have a lot of deaths compared to other countries with similar population. In fact they’re the 6th worst for deaths per a million people. As a result they’ve recently changed their tune completely - check what their prime minister said just a couple of days ago. They’re a total failure.

All while building immunity and having numbers that don't justify shutting down a country indefinitely.

[ChumpDumper]

You’re meandering a bit.

For any leader to have made a significant difference in outcome they would have needed to begin a strong response in January and a hard travel ban and lockdown in February. Before anyone even died. No politician would have done that.I don't think those things needed to be done quite as early as you think. If you can think of the strongest possible federal response at any time, you can bet W would've done it. It was his thing. Obama would've followed his own playbook and Hillary probably would've done the same. I can't think of any modern president who would've let things go as long as Trump did.

[ChumpDumper]

Cos NWO a-holes like you are fudging numbers.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8222031/Swedens-Princess-Sofia-working-alongside-healthcare-staff-undergoing-intensive-training.htmlThey started out doing less than Sweden.

I gave you Sweden's closest neighbors with similar demographics and terrain.

You jumped across the continent.

Uh, was that an edit?

I was responding to this:


And much better than the likes of Italy and others who have shut down.

[Spurtacular]

They started out doing less than Sweden.

I gave you Sweden's closest neighbors with similar demographics and terrain.

You jumped across the continent.

Uh, was that an edit?

I was responding to this:

:cry Muh F5 mashing :cry

You did give the standard talking point.


Sweden added 170 coronavirus deaths to its official tally today in a widely-expected surge after only a handful of cases were reported over the weekend, as shown on this graph

Media can't get their lies straight.

[ChumpDumper]

The fucking people can’t even do the right thing. Look at those morons in Michigan.https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/04/15/PDTF/0dc40f05-56d6-40a2-af97-97efbcc53526-ProtestCorona_041520_09_mw.jpg

Oi.

[ChumpDumper]

:cry Muh F5 mashing :cry

You did give the standard talking point.



Media can't get their lies straight.What lies?

Norway's total death number stands at about 150.

Finland's is around 80.

[Spurtacular]

What lies?

Norway's total death number stands at about 150.

Finland's is around 80.

170 dying vs. only a handful of reported cases. Hence why I listed that, genius.

[BacktoBasics]

I don't think those things needed to be done quite as early as you think. If you can think of the strongest possible federal response at any time, you can bet W would've done it. It was his thing. Obama would've followed his own playbook and Hillary probably would've done the same. I can't think of any modern president who would've let things go as long as Trump did.
Again. You’re missing my point or unintentionally making my point for me.

Long?

That’s a stretch. I think he was behind a bit. A week or two. But going back to my point, without that strong early response little changes. That’s really the only thing that would have significantly moved the needle. Results would be similar had someone acted a week or two sooner and not much is different than where we’re at now.

[dbestpro]

After looking at page after page that has been posted the only thing this thread has proven is the people who hated Trump before Coronavirus still hate Trump.

[Texas_Ranger]

if trump saves a baby from a burning building, people will still ask why didnt he save the building aswell.

[Joseph Kony]

After looking at page after page that has been posted the only thing this thread has proven is the people who hated Trump before Coronavirus still hate Trump.

Not really. Proves there are a lot of retards on this forum that slurp his jizz up and look like complete dipshits now :lol not that they didn't already tbh

[ChumpDumper]

170 dying vs. only a handful of reported cases. Hence why I listed that, genius.Sweden has had 1200 deaths and 11,000 reported cases.

You really don't understand anything.

[Spurtacular]

Sweden has had 1200 deaths and 11,000 reported cases.

You really don't understand anything.

I understand that those numbers are inflated AF. Hence the discrepancy with a caption saying only a handful of reported cases on the weekend. Hence a propaganda video that actually showed an empty ICU.

[ChumpDumper]

Again. You’re missing my point or unintentionally making my point for me.

Long?

That’s a stretch. I think he was behind a bit. A week or two.That's all it took. Two weeks makes an enormous difference with a virus whose infection rate can increase exponentially.

[ChumpDumper]

I understand that those numbers are inflated AF. Hence the discrepancy with a caption saying only a handful of reported cases on the weekend. Hence a propaganda video that actually showed an empty ICU.You don't die instantly when you get the disease, derp.

Holy shit, you need this explained to you?

[BacktoBasics]

if trump saves a baby from a burning building, people will still ask why didnt he save the building aswell.
Not if curing the burns is more expensive than what he gains from the ratings. The baby’s a goner and you know it.

[Spurtacular]

You don't die instantly when you get the disease, derp.

Holy shit, you need this explained to you?

I need only a handful of reported cases over a weekend explained to me.

So far you've voted PRESENT AF. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I need only a handful of reported cases over a weekend explained to me.Easter.

482 new cases reported today.


So, define "handful."

[Mugen]

if trump saves a baby from a burning building, people will still ask why didnt he save the building aswell.

I'm assuming that "if" is predicated on the baby not being muslim, an immigrant, any type of minority, female, LGBTQ, liberal, unrelated to him in general :lol

[Spurtacular]

Easter.

482 new cases reported today.


So, define "handful."

Not 482, obviously.

:lol You can't explain the fake news.

[TDMVPDPOY]

australia 63 deaths currently.... 1/3 of them are from the same ruby princess cruise ship

dunno how many or the rest thats still in ICU were part of that ruby princess cruise ship or transmitted by tourists from that cruise ship.... (there were like 8-9+ more cruise ships in australian waters wanting to dock...fck them clowns thats like 9000 tourists would turn the healthcare system upside down, dont even have enough beds, icus to manage that sort of number)

[ChumpDumper]

Not 482, obviously.

:lol You can't explain the fake news.You can't define "handful."

Daily numbers over the weekend ranged from 332 to 554.

1342 new cases were reported over the weekend.

So over 10% of Sweden's cases were newly reported last weekend.

Anything else you want to know?

[Spurtacular]

You can't define "handful."

Daily numbers over the weekend ranged from 332 to 554.

1342 new cases were reported over the weekend.

So over 10% of Sweden's cases were newly reported last weekend.

Anything else you want to know?

If I have to explain to you how 482 is not a handful, then you shouldn't be posting here.

[ChumpDumper]

If I have to explain to you how 482 is not a handful, then you shouldn't be posting here.You said the numbers are inflated.

What are the actual numbers, according to you?

[baseline bum]

if trump saves a baby from a burning building, people will still ask why didnt he save the building aswell.

If Trump shot the baby in the middle of Times Square you'd call everyone triggered for criticizing him for it.

[pad300]

Linked sans comment:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

[ChumpDumper]

Linked sans comment:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sourcesWouldn't doubt either the market nor the lab as a source. Trump's naivete dealing with Xi is adorable.

[baseline bum]

Linked sans comment:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

Responding to the report, Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Tuesday afternoon: "It should be no surprise to you that we have taken a keen interest in that and we've had a lot of intelligence take a hard look at that. I would just say at this point, it's inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural, but we don't know for certain."

[ChumpDumper]

Responding to the report, Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Tuesday afternoon: "It should be no surprise to you that we have taken a keen interest in that and we've had a lot of intelligence take a hard look at that. I would just say at this point, it's inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural, but we don't know for certain."Right wing media doesn't realize this makes Trump look even worse:

U.S. officials warned in January 2018 that the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s work on “SARS-like coronaviruses in bats,” combined with “a serious shortage” of proper safety procedures, could result in human transmission and the possibility of a “future emerging coronavirus outbreak.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s-diplomats-warned-about-safety-risks-in-wuhan-labs-studying-bats-two-years-before-coronavirus-outbr
eak/

[baseline bum]

Right wing media doesn't realize this makes Trump look even worse:

U.S. officials warned in January 2018 that the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s work on “SARS-like coronaviruses in bats,” combined with “a serious shortage” of proper safety procedures, could result in human transmission and the possibility of a “future emerging coronavirus outbreak.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s-diplomats-warned-about-safety-risks-in-wuhan-labs-studying-bats-two-years-before-coronavirus-outbr
eak/

National Review is liberal fag tears tho

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

All while building immunity and having numbers that don't justify shutting down a country indefinitely.

Building immunity while having a 10% death rate? Does human life mean nothing to you?

They've not built any immunity either. Swedish prime minister just the other day said that taking a more flexible approach has contributed to the increased number of cases and deaths and that 'it wasn't good enough' - in his own words. Thus they're introducing 'stricter measures'. You know, like everywhere else, but after being incredibly stupid for a month. Great strategy!

Prime minister Stefan Lovfen on saturday:

"But it also means that we will have more seriously ill people who need intensive care. We will have significantly more deaths. We will count the dead in thousands."

[Spurtacular]

Building immunity while having a 10% death rate? Does human life mean nothing to you?

They've not built any immunity either. Swedish prime minister just the other day said that taking a more flexible approach has contributed to the increased number of cases and deaths and that 'it wasn't good enough' - in his own words. Thus they're introducing 'stricter measures'. You know, like everywhere else, but after being incredibly stupid for a month. Great strategy!

Prime minister Stefan Lovfen on saturday:

"But it also means that we will have more seriously ill people who need intensive care. We will have significantly more deaths. We will count the dead in thousands."


Freedom means a helluva lot to me. We didn't fight for it to hide behind a phony veneer of safety. Even CNN's reporting had to say that the Swedish health system had matters well under control.

:lol 'Stricter measures' like limiting gatherings to fifty people. You mean moderate measures you fucking propaganda spitter.

Yea, serious viruses can kill unhealthy people in the hundreds or even thousands. Welcome to life. Go live it and stop fucking crying. You're so busy crying, you don't even bother to notice how government is raping the fuck out of you.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Freedom means a helluva lot to me. We didn't fight for it to hide behind a phony veneer of safety. Even CNN's reporting had to say that the Swedish health system had matters well under control.

:lol 'Stricter measures' like limiting gatherings to fifty people. You mean moderate measures you fucking propaganda spitter.

Yea, serious viruses can kill unhealthy people in the hundreds or even thousands. Welcome to life. Go live it and stop fucking crying. You're so busy crying, you don't even bother to notice how government is raping the fuck out of you.

Some people value human life above the freedom to go to a restaurant. Others not so much. Them's the morals.

[Spurtacular]

Some people value human life above the freedom to go to a restaurant.

In that case, stay in your house for the rest of your life. Contagions aren't going away ever.

[Bellboy]

Some people value human life above the freedom to go to a restaurant. Others not so much. Them's the morals.

Good thing you didn’t live in the 50’s and 60’s, the Cooties would have got you.

[exstatic]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/04/15/PDTF/0dc40f05-56d6-40a2-af97-97efbcc53526-ProtestCorona_041520_09_mw.jpg

Oi.

Darwin's waiting room.

[BacktoBasics]

Freedom means a helluva lot to me. We didn't fight for it to hide behind a phony veneer of safety. Even CNN's reporting had to say that the Swedish health system had matters well under control.

:lol 'Stricter measures' like limiting gatherings to fifty people. You mean moderate measures you fucking propaganda spitter.

Yea, serious viruses can kill unhealthy people in the hundreds or even thousands. Welcome to life. Go live it and stop fucking crying. You're so busy crying, you don't even bother to notice how government is raping the fuck out of you.

Says the guy spitting propaganda himself. No ones taking away your freedom forever. What a selfish prick you are. You can’t make a sacrifice for a few months to save lives? You want to hide you selfishness behind some greater good propaganda. Hilarious how you go off while acting like a spoiled self aggrandizing asshole.

You truly represent everything that’s wrong in this world.

People can die so long as you’re not inconvenienced. Wow. What a enormous piece of shit you are.

[Spurtacular]

Says the guy spitting propaganda himself. No ones taking away your freedom forever. What a selfish prick you are. You can’t make a sacrifice for a few months to save lives? You want to hide you selfishness behind some greater good propaganda. Hilarious how you go off while acting like a spoiled self aggrandizing asshole.

You truly represent everything that’s wrong in this world.

People can die so long as you’re not inconvenienced. Wow. What a enormous piece of shit you are.

Nobody says I can't sacrifice. Frankly, you don't know the half of that. What I am saying is you throw away proper governance and kowtow to bully authoritarians, then your life ain't worth shit anyhow. Yea, who's the enormous piece of shit now, coward?

[exstatic]

Nobody says I can't sacrifice. Frankly, you don't know the half of that. What I am saying is you throw away proper governance and kowtow to bully authoritarians, then your life ain't worth shit anyhow. Yea, who's the enormous piece of shit now, coward?

Still you.

[BacktoBasics]

Nobody says I can't sacrifice. Frankly, you don't know the half of that. What I am saying is you throw away proper governance and kowtow to bully authoritarians, then your life ain't worth shit anyhow. Yea, who's the enormous piece of shit now, coward? How “worth shit” were the lives of the dead? What an oblivious piece of shit you are. So to answer your question... you. You’re the the selfish one.

Tell me again how many people can die before you’re okay with being inconvenienced? We know you’re okay with 30k dead people otherwise you wouldn’t be so put off and bitchy.

Maybe you’re okay with 100k dead?

What’s your number? How many people need to die before you’re okay with being bothered.