Popovich rips Trump over coronavirus response

[ChumpDumper]

a week later we’re still at 50 deaths.Untrue. Are you even checking?

[Prime BEEF]

Untrue. Are you even checking?
• 2,952 in the U.S., including 57 deaths: 5 in California, 40 in Washington state, 3 in Florida, 2 in New York, 1 in New Jersey, 1 in Georgia, 1 in Kansas, 1 in Colorado, 1 in Louisiana, 1 in Virginia and 1 in South Dakota

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-Bay-Area-California-cases-15100710.php

[Prime BEEF]

Sadly in the US the exponent in our exponential growth of deaths (specificially a in the term e^(ax)) is actually tracking higher than Italy's is. At least Seattle is right on track for an Italy level disaster and I can't believe there hasn't been a quarantine of the city yet.
Travel bans for certain cities will likely happen soon. Possibly states (mainly Washington) too.

[Genovaswitness]

yes, you know more than doctors at John Hopkins hospital, like I said, you are just like Dump; facts don't apply to you.

Here is what I said before: " I really hope that the virus doesn't spread in the US" but call me psychopath if you want; I'm not the one being careless right now. Just like your idol Dump who ate food while consoling shooting victims.

I’m washing my hands, forced to not travel because everything is canceled anyway, all events are canceled etc. funny how the word was wishing for trump to have corona and it didn’t happen.


Untrue. Are you even checking?

under 60. I want a live tracker for every disease ever from here on out so we can live in a perpetual postapocalyptic mad max hellscape, seems like that’s what you all want

[Prime BEEF]

But but but... lowest infection rate.


From North Carolina

As of March 14 at 8:00 a.m., the state of North Carolina has a total of 680 public (i.e., non-commercial) coronavirus test kits.

So the big question is, “Why don’t we have more tests?”

Here’s the situation:

First, there’s a difference between “test kits” and “extraction kits.”

Extraction kits = extract RNA (genetic material) from nasal swabs.

Test kits = test RNA to see if it’s coronavirus.

We started with a national shortage of test kits. That happened because the CDC - after rejecting the WHO kits and deciding to make their own - had a manufacturing error that allowed their test kit to produce false positives. So they had to start over several weeks in.

To make matters worse, while the CDC was fixing their manufacturing error there were many other labs across the country (academic and commercial labs) that wanted to produce their own test kits. But they needed federal approval to move forward, and getting that approval took a couple weeks - a serious amount of time, given the prospect of exponential viral spread.

It appears we are now seeing the production of test kits ramp up from both the CDC and commercial labs like LabCorp (which happens to be headquartered here in North Carolina).

BUT that leads us to our second problem, and the current major bottleneck: extraction kits.

Before you can test the RNA sample from the nasal swab, you have to extract it. Doing so requires a specific chemical. The majority of this specific chemical (called a reagent) is produced by one company with production facilities in Germany and Spain.

And now that specific chemical is in very high demand. The whole world wants it.

A few weeks ago, the FDA started allowing independent labs to develop alternate chemical processes for RNA extraction. It’s unclear how much progress has been made.

So, looking now at the big picture, we basically have a two-track testing system: public testing, which involves our main state lab in NC using the re-manufactured CDC test kits (and in NC, we currently have 680 test kits) and then there’s commercial testing.

Regarding commercial testing, we really don’t know how much is happening. The commercial labs aren’t required to disclose test results unless they’re positive. In North Carolina, we have LabCorp conducting commercial tests. In Charlotte, we also have our two major hospital systems - Atrium and Novant - now saying that they are going to provide “screening.” It’s unclear whether they are simply collecting swabs and sending them to LabCorp (where they may face the same extraction kit bottleneck) or whether they’ve developed in-house capacity to actually produce their own test results.

But it’s important to note that BOTH public and commercial testing appear to be hitting a bottleneck when it comes to extraction.

As a result, we are not screening nearly enough people.

Ideally, anyone who displays flu-like symptoms would be eligible for a public test, free of charge. That’s how we would address this like South Korea and provide for wide-scale testing on the order of tens of thousands per day.

But - due to the shortage - that’s not the case. Instead, the CDC guidelines (which NC is currently following) currently state that you have to 1) display flu-like symptoms AND have had direct contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case OR, 2) you have to display flu-like symptoms AND lower respiratory symptoms (cough, shortness of breath) AND a negative rapid flu test.

A simpler way to say that is we are currently rationing public tests because we don’t have enough capacity.

Congress is now providing more funding specifically for these issues and commercial labs are reportedly innovating rapidly, but this is essentially a race against time and increasing our testing capacity within the next ten days is absolutely critical. It’s also possible that the window of opportunity for containment - at least in some regions - is now closed and we’re going to have to rely heavily on social distancing to slow the rate of infection.

You should also know that in the process of piecing this together I had many, many conversations with state and local health officials and every single one of them was on the same page, knew exactly what the bottlenecks were, and were working the problem. These folks get it, and they’re working around the clock for us.

More updates soon,

Sen. Jeff Jackson
Thanks for the info

[Prime BEEF]

Good link for live updates

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

as of right now for the US. Looks like out of the current active cases of people that are confirmed positive only .4% went onto be serious or critical condition. However, 52% of those that become serious or critical have died. This is for the US only.

[baseline bum]

Travel bans for certain cities will likely happen soon. Possibly states (mainly Washington) too.

Yeah Seattle needs to be quarantined ASAP.

[ChumpDumper]

under 60. I want a live tracker for every disease ever from here on out so we can live in a perpetual postapocalyptic mad max hellscape, seems like that’s what you all wantDo you know what exponential growth is?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Do you know what exponential growth is?

Not sure he knows simple arithmetics, let alone exponential growth. Exactly 2 weeks ago Italy had 34 deaths and a thousand cases or so.

[Ignazzz]

Us Will have bigger problem with it in ca. next 2 weeks then Italy. I „adore„ Your wishfull thinking and ignorance.

[baseline bum]

Not sure he knows simple arithmetics, let alone exponential growth. Exactly 2 weeks ago Italy had 34 deaths and a thousand cases or so.

:cry but why are you wishing death on so many Americans :cry
:cry math is for fags :cry

[Genovaswitness]

Do you know what exponential growth is?


Not sure he knows simple arithmetics, let alone exponential growth. Exactly 2 weeks ago Italy had 34 deaths and a thousand cases or so.


:cry but why are you wishing death on so many Americans :cry
:cry math is for fags :cry

keep moving the goalposts :lmao

e-exponential growth!! The curve!! The coefficient!!!

remind me in a month when this blows over. again, I want a live tracker for every disease just to appease you loons

[Frenchfred]

keep moving the goalposts :lmao

e-exponential growth!! The curve!! The coefficient!!!

remind me in a month when this blows over. again, I want a live tracker for every disease just to appease you loons

I want to see your MD degree since you seem to know more than everybody. Your idol said at the beginning that this was just like the flu and now he declared the sate of emergency, why if there is no risk?

[ChumpDumper]

keep moving the goalposts :lmaowe've been saying the same thing all along.

remind me in a month when this blows over.What makes you think this will just blow over?

[ducks]

Kayleigh McEnany
@kayleighmcenany
· Mar 12
Joe Biden just lied, saying coronavirus tests should be in the millions, not thousands.

Has anyone told Joe that 1 million tests have already been distributed, with 4 million distributed by the end of the week

[Genovaswitness]

I want to see your MD degree since you seem to know more than everybody. Your idol said at the beginning that this was just like the flu and now he declared the sate of emergency, why if there is no risk?

same mentality as being forced to hoard groceries, everyone else is doing it and at a certain point the markets needed to be appeased (ie, something was being done about the situation)


we've been saying the same thing all along.
What makes you think this will just blow over?

all the preventive measures that have been taking place (closed borders, every event from small comedy show to rodeo being canceled), how spread out The US population is....even in LA/NYC/Chicago things really aren’t that bad. I don’t know wtf happened with Italy but they obviously did something wrong. being smaller and more densely populated doesn’t help

[Frenchfred]

Kayleigh McEnany
@kayleighmcenany
· Mar 12
Joe Biden just lied, saying coronavirus tests should be in the millions, not thousands.

Has anyone told Joe that 1 million tests have already been distributed, with 4 million distributed by the end of the week

do you know that so far, few thousands have been tested?

[Shakril]

Deaths in us of flu 8200. Deaths in china by corona 3200....

Thats what i mean by saying take it seriously. Do you know why they have only 3200 dead? Because they reacted. They shut down an entire region. Several Hundred Millions of people were under House Arrest. It took a huge effort to have "only" 3200 Dead.
The US is doing too little too late.

[Spurs Homer]

Kayleigh McEnany
@kayleighmcenany
· Mar 12
Joe Biden just lied, saying coronavirus tests should be in the millions, not thousands.

Has anyone told Joe that 1 million tests have already been distributed, with 4 million distributed by the end of the week

Pence lied

over and over and the tests are still “on the way”

no significant number of tests are in medical professionals hands- as we speak

[ChumpDumper]

all the preventive measures that have been taking place (closed borders, every event from small comedy show to rodeo being canceled), how spread out The US population is....even in LA/NYC/Chicago things really aren’t that bad. I don’t know wtf happened with Italy but they obviously did something wrong. being smaller and more densely populated doesn’t helpItaly did what we're doing now.

[Shakril]

keep moving the goalposts :lmao

e-exponential growth!! The curve!! The coefficient!!!

remind me in a month when this blows over. again, I want a live tracker for every disease just to appease you loons

Thats called getting new information, not moving the goalposts. The US is about 2 weeks behind than italy, and already has 3000 cases, and thats with limited testing. 60 confirmed deaths. Every Countries job is to limit spreading the disease and deaths. If after several months (plural not singular), it is clear that the numbers are low, its due to the effort that has been made, not because the Illness was overblown.

[tholdren]

Thats what i mean by saying take it seriously. Do you know why they have only 3200 dead? Because they reacted. They shut down an entire region. Several Hundred Millions of people were under House Arrest. It took a huge effort to have "only" 3200 Dead.
The US is doing too little too late.

Lol

[tholdren]

Thats called getting new information, not moving the goalposts. The US is about 2 weeks behind than italy, and already has 3000 cases, and thats with limited testing. 60 confirmed deaths. Every Countries job is to limit spreading the disease and deaths. If after several months (plural not singular), it is clear that the numbers are low, its due to the effort that has been made, not because the Illness was overblown.

And half of those deaths came by way of nursing home. The mortality rate is less than you think. By a mile

[pgardn]

The fundamental principles behind good public health communication are stunningly simple and obvious :

Be consistent. Be accurate. Don’t withhold vital information. And above all, don’t let anyone on to the podium without the preparation, knowledge and discipline to deliver vital Health messages.

Straight from the CDC manual based on botched public health responses in the past.


Well it’s pretty obvious the current administration does not work like this. Who is in charge now and delivering the statements? is it Pence or Jared Kushner or has that changed again? Trump flies by the seat of his pants and you just don’t do this as a good leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

[hombre]

Kayleigh McEnany
@kayleighmcenany
· Mar 12
Joe Biden just lied, saying coronavirus tests should be in the millions, not thousands.

Has anyone told Joe that 1 million tests have already been distributed, with 4 million distributed by the end of the week

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2F coronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Ftesting-in-us.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-says-will-fail-1m-goal-coronavirus-test-kits-2020-3

[Genovaswitness]

Italy did what we're doing now.

italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage


Thats called getting new information, not moving the goalposts. The US is about 2 weeks behind than italy, and already has 3000 cases, and thats with limited testing. 60 confirmed deaths. Every Countries job is to limit spreading the disease and deaths. If after several months (plural not singular), it is clear that the numbers are low, its due to the effort that has been made, not because the Illness was overblown.

it’ll mostly be the latter

[pgardn]

And half of those deaths came by way of nursing home. The mortality rate is less than you think. By a mile

[pgardn]

And half of those deaths came by way of nursing home. The mortality rate is less than you think. By a mile

Yep.

So now that this is not contained and VERY transmissible how many people in the US are expected to get the virus? Because the mortality rate is low, but if the number of infections are high, the number of deaths will be a large number. So what’s your estimate of number infected in the US after it passes?

[Shakril]

italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage



it’ll mostly be the latter

This is the kind of Disinformation that kills people. Italy has universal Healthcare, which by definition is better than anything what the US believe they have. If you are poor, your are f***ed* in the US. Which in this crisis is deadly for everybody.

So please, please, please with sugar on the top get yourself informed by facts, not by propaganda. Listen to scientist, doctors and politicans who believe in science and facts. Even Republican Governors and Mayors have reacted, and i am talking about hardcore right wingers. False information can kill people at times like these. The US has already a higher infection rate, than most countries at this stage, and thats only the cases that have been tested.

[pgardn]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/3a97b467-522a-46c3-a7d8-c8bfa3b5a94d

[tholdren]

Yep.

So now that this is not contained and VERY transmissible how many people in the US are expected to get the virus? Because the mortality rate is low, but if the number of infections are high, the number of deaths will be a large number. So what’s your estimate of number infected in the US after it passes?
It already has passed. But now you have everyone in a panic to get tested. But your conveniently leave out the tens or hundreds of tthousands who had or have it and it's not a big deal. It's like people misusing alcohol related death stats. Anyone has a drink of alcohol in a car or not and included as a person in the wreck ots charted as an alcohol related fatality. Misleading stats. Death rate will go up. Why. People who are sick and dying dead will be tested. You healthy you dont go in.

85 out of 100 be fine. They dont need to go in. Maybe 5 do. The 15 that will be go in and get tested.... so 20 tested maybe 2 die. Look at that percent in the media. You dont see it's really 2 out of 100

[pgardn]

It already has passed. But now you have everyone in a panic to get tested. But your conveniently leave out the tens or hundreds of tthousands who had or have it and it's not a big deal. It's like people misusing alcohol related death stats. Anyone has a drink of alcohol in a car or not and included as a person in the wreck ots charted as an alcohol related fatality. Misleading stats. Death rate will go up. Why. People who are sick and dying dead will be tested. You healthy you dont go in.

85 out of 100 be fine. They dont need to go in. Maybe 5 do. The 15 that will be go in and get tested.... so 20 tested maybe 2 die. Look at that percent in the media. You dont see it's really 2 out of 100

Bolded

You are widely wrong.
Go to the CDC sites and quote this.

[Russ]

Italy did what we're doing now.

But with a more appealing accent!

[tholdren]

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You are widely wrong.
Go to the CDC sites and quote this.

Lol ok. They have No idea. Opioid crisis. Antibiotic issues. Not even prepared for a pandemic. Go ahead and believe them. Also, stop eating processed meat. You are more likely to die from that than you are the coronavirus per the cdc

[pgardn]

Lol ok. They have No idea. Opioid crisis. Antibiotic issues. Not even prepared for a pandemic. Go ahead and believe them. Also, stop eating processed meat. You are more likely to die from that than you are the coronavirus per the cdc

American Hospital Association

Best guess

96,000,000 infections
4,800,000 hospitalized
1,900,000 ICU admissions
450,000 deaths

Where did you get your “Its already passed”?

[byrontx]

The area around Milan is prosperous and advanced, with good medical infrastructure. How are you so knowledgeable about it?

[pgardn]

Lol ok. They have No idea. Opioid crisis. Antibiotic issues. Not even prepared for a pandemic. Go ahead and believe them. Also, stop eating processed meat. You are more likely to die from that than you are the coronavirus per the cdc

Who is “them” ?

And who do you believe since you seem to have access to good info?
Or are you an epidemiologist running your own numbers?

[pgardn]

Lol ok. They have No idea. Opioid crisis. Antibiotic issues. Not even prepared for a pandemic. Go ahead and believe them. Also, stop eating processed meat. You are more likely to die from that than you are the coronavirus per the cdc

Who is “them” ?

And who do you believe since you seem to have access to good info?
Or are you an epidemiologist running your own numbers?

[ChumpDumper]

italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbageYou think our deaths are low because of healthcare infrastructure?

[ChumpDumper]

It already has passed. But now you have everyone in a panic to get tested. But your conveniently leave out the tens or hundreds of tthousands who had or have it and it's not a big deal. It's like people misusing alcohol related death stats. Anyone has a drink of alcohol in a car or not and included as a person in the wreck ots charted as an alcohol related fatality. Misleading stats. Death rate will go up. Why. People who are sick and dying dead will be tested. You healthy you dont go in.

85 out of 100 be fine. They dont need to go in. Maybe 5 do. The 15 that will be go in and get tested.... so 20 tested maybe 2 die. Look at that percent in the media. You dont see it's really 2 out of 100You pretty much usually see it's around 2%, which is terrible.

[Frenchfred]

italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage

:lol

United States has barely the same healthcare system than Italy in terms of quality and way behind a lot of countries. Stop watching ER, the good doctor, grey anatomy...

https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/

[Frenchfred]

Who is “them” ?

And who do you believe since you seem to have access to good info?
Or are you an epidemiologist running your own numbers?

he probably watch fauxnews and believe all the crap they say

[tholdren]

You pretty much usually see it's around 2%, which is terrible.

Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.

[ChumpDumper]

Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.How do you think you're the only person who knows that people haven't been tested?

You're creating narratives out of thin air. It's crazy.

[Frenchfred]

Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.

Do you understand that protection of the population is to spread the pic over a longer period of time so emergency can react instead of being overwhelmed with too many sick people at the same time. Next year hopefully, a lot of people will have developed antibodies and a vaccin will have been found. The flu has a contamination rate 2-3 times smaller.

[hombre]

italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage

LOL, you choose to be uninformed and spread bad information. Italy has a better, more comprehensive healthcare system than the US, it's just being inundated because they ignored the data on c19 like the US.

You are not only embarrassing yourself, but dangerous. All your posts show that don't give a shit about anyone but yourself, so why would any of us listen to you?

Just be quiet.

[tholdren]

How do you think you're the only person who knows that people haven't been tested?

You're creating narratives out of thin air. It's crazy.
What are you talking about that's the whole scare. Testing. Additionally, I'm not the only one who knows people have it of have had it and dont get tested. That is a fact.

[pgardn]

Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.

I see your point and I agree somewhat.
Except for one obvious thing.
This virus is ultra transmissible, much easier to acquire than the flu it seems based on current data.

And unnecessary panic. The buck stops here:

The fundamental principles behind good public health communication are stunningly simple and obvious

Be consistent. Be accurate. Don’t withhold vital information. And above all, don’t let anyone on to the podium without the preparation, knowledge and discipline to deliver vital Health messages.

Straight from the CDC manual based on botched public health responses in the past.


Well it’s pretty obvious the current administration does not work like this. Who is in charge now and delivering the statements? is it Pence or Jared Kushner or has that changed again? Trump flies by the seat of his pants and you just don’t do this as a good leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

We got horrible advice from this administration and the CDC fd up the first round of tests and came too late to admit it. Financial markets and people react poorly when communication is ridiculously bad. And that goes straight to the top in this case. We wanted a new type of leadership, we got it.

[Russ]

italy is a barely first world country that doesn’t have the healthcare infrastructure we do. free garbage is still garbage.

Italy is first-world. Healthcare and otherwise.

The infant mortality rate in the US (5.8/1,000) is higher than that of Italy (3.3/1,000).

Northern Italy (where the outbreak started) makes Ferarris we make (well, you get it) . . .

[ChumpDumper]

What are you talking about that's the whole scare. Testing.No. Your narratives are horrible failures.


Additionally, I'm not the only one who knows people have it of have had it and dont get tested. That is a fact.No shit people who have it aren't being tested. Thanks, Scoop.

[tholdren]

I see your point and I agree somewhat.
Except for one obvious thing.
This virus is ultra transmissible, much easier to acquire than the flu it seems based on current data.

And unnecessary panic. The buck stops here:

The fundamental principles behind good public health communication are stunningly simple and obvious

Be consistent. Be accurate. Don’t withhold vital information. And above all, don’t let anyone on to the podium without the preparation, knowledge and discipline to deliver vital Health messages.

Straight from the CDC manual based on botched public health responses in the past.


Well it’s pretty obvious the current administration does not work like this. Who is in charge now and delivering the statements? is it Pence or Jared Kushner or has that changed again? Trump flies by the seat of his pants and you just don’t do this as a good leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

We got horrible advice from this administration and the CDC fd up the first round of tests and came too late to admit it. Financial markets and people react poorly when communication is ridiculously bad. And that goes straight to the top in this case. We wanted a new type of leadership, we got it.
But the cdc has done nothing to prevent the spread by responding with messages about good hygiene. As you may ha e seen from the videos these spokes people are licking their hands then touching the podium. Whispering to eachother in the background and coughing into their hands while telling people to hide? That is what is crazy. If people would practice good hygiene regularly, these pandemics would not be pandemics imo

[Frenchfred]

Italy is first-world. Healthcare and otherwise.

The infant mortality rate in the US (5.8/1,000) is higher than that of the EU, i.e., Italy (4.0/1,000).

Northern Italy (where the outbreak started) makes Ferarris we make (well, you get it) . . .

Another ranking of the healthcare systems in the world. Italy ahead of the US.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

[Frenchfred]

But the cdc has done nothing to prevent the spread by responding with messages about good hygiene. As you may ha e seen from the videos these spokes people are licking their hands then touching the podium. Whispering to eachother in the background and coughing into their hands while telling people to hide? That is what is crazy. If people would practice good hygiene regularly, these pandemics would not be pandemics imo

we agree on the good hygiene but since people don't do it, what should we do?

[ChumpDumper]

But the cdc has done nothing to prevent the spread by responding with messages about good hygiene. As you may ha e seen from the videos these spokes people are licking their hands then touching the podium. Whispering to eachother in the background and coughing into their hands while telling people to hide? That is what is crazy.Yes, Trump set a horrible example.

[pgardn]

But the cdc has done nothing to prevent the spread by responding with messages about good hygiene. As you may ha e seen from the videos these spokes people are licking their hands then touching the podium. Whispering to eachother in the background and coughing into their hands while telling people to hide? That is what is crazy. If people would practice good hygiene regularly, these pandemics would not be pandemics imo

Yes they do.
Absolutely they do.

[tholdren]

we agree on the good hygiene but since people don't do it, what should we do?
Model appropriate behavior. Educate people. There isn't any of the latter to my knowledge. Just the response now. Hide. I am not sure how you could enforce those things. But closing up shop adds to the panic.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes they do.
Absolutely they do.Dude chose not to see it. Doesn't fit his narrative.

[tholdren]

Yes they do.
Absolutely they do.
Ok, then maybe I should have said ineffective messages? Or too late messages?

[tholdren]

Dude chose not to see it. Doesn't fit his narrative.

104k posts. Sad

[BacktoBasics]

a week later we’re still at 50 deaths. Whip out the calculator and keep wishing for millions of American deaths you psychopaths.

europeans can quarantine and not work for a month because they’re used to being reliant on state welfare. don’t worry frenchfred, my passport will get some run once this media driven hysteria blows over :toast
You didn’t really counter any argument against the lack of testing. Empty posting from you time and again. You’ve added nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

104k posts. SadReduced to ad hominems when your narrative collapses. Sad.

[tholdren]

You didn’t really counter any argument against the lack of testing. Empty posting from you time and again. You’ve added nothing.
Honest, non trolling question for once, should everyone be tested?

[tholdren]

Reduced to ad hominems when your narrative collapses. Sad.

104k and getting pnwed

[ChumpDumper]

104k and getting pnwed:lol repeating the ad hominem and declaring victory

[Frenchfred]

Model appropriate behavior. Educate people. There isn't any of the latter to my knowledge. Just the response now. Hide. I am not sure how you could enforce those things. But closing up shop adds to the panic.

it is too bad that there is not an English version of this article but it explains the effects of not getting in contact with other people in case of an epidemic disease like coronavirus. In a nutshell, if people live their lives not avoiding contact, France could be 100% contaminated in 6 months. By dividing contact by a factor of 4 from the beginning, the contamination rate stays around 6000 people.

https://sciencetonnante.wordpress.com/2020/03/12/epidemie-nuage-radioactif-et-distanciation-sociale/?fbclid=IwAR1kZvHzwnalUVnH2p2k8kVu8GA8V7mSINgt65_V DDVsxt9OlH53DESpgTA

[ChumpDumper]

Model appropriate behavior. Educate people. There isn't any of the latter to my knowledge.Your knowledge is sorely lacking.

Where do you get your information to judge whether the effort to educate is there?

[tholdren]

it is too bad that there is not an English version of this article but it explains the effects of not getting in contact with other people in case of an epidemic disease like coronavirus. In a nutshell, if people live their lives not avoiding contact, France could be 100% contaminated in 6 months. By dividing contact by a factor of 4 from the beginning, the contamination rate stays around 6000 people.

https://sciencetonnante.wordpress.com/2020/03/12/epidemie-nuage-radioactif-et-distanciation-sociale/?fbclid=IwAR1kZvHzwnalUVnH2p2k8kVu8GA8V7mSINgt65_V DDVsxt9OlH53DESpgTA

I will try to find a way to get that translated thank you!

[spurrunner]

Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.

Look, this isn't about preventing people from getting the disease, we can't. It's about delaying the spread so our medical system has time to handle all the sick patients. It's about bringing the mortality rate from 5% (Italy) down to .2%. Read this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/13/815502262/flattening-a-pandemics-curve-why-staying-home-now-can-save-lives.
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-flattening-curve-20200313/
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-flattening-curve-20200313/https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhealthblog.uofmhealth. org%2Fsites%2Fconsumer%2Ffiles%2F2020-03%2FCoronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhealthblog.uofmhealth.org% 2Fwellness-prevention%2Fflattening-curve-for-covid-19-what-does-it-mean-and-how-can-you-help&tbnid=9dfdBSqGlXOWJM&vet=12ahUKEwjDo8LZ-5zoAhWEf6wKHSH4B-AQMygAegUIARCQAg..i&docid=ywLIwOevYDeFWM&w=850&h=478&q=coronavirus%20flattening%20curve&ved=2ahUKEwjDo8LZ-5zoAhWEf6wKHSH4B-AQMygAegUIARCQAg

[ChumpDumper]

Look, this isn't about preventing people from getting the disease, we can't. It's about delaying the spread so our medical system has time to handle all the sick patients. It's about bringing the mortality rate from 5% (Italy) down to .2%. Read this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/13/815502262/flattening-a-pandemics-curve-why-staying-home-now-can-save-lives.
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-flattening-curve-20200313/
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-flattening-curve-20200313/https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhealthblog.uofmhealth. org%2Fsites%2Fconsumer%2Ffiles%2F2020-03%2FCoronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhealthblog.uofmhealth.org% 2Fwellness-prevention%2Fflattening-curve-for-covid-19-what-does-it-mean-and-how-can-you-help&tbnid=9dfdBSqGlXOWJM&vet=12ahUKEwjDo8LZ-5zoAhWEf6wKHSH4B-AQMygAegUIARCQAg..i&docid=ywLIwOevYDeFWM&w=850&h=478&q=coronavirus%20flattening%20curve&ved=2ahUKEwjDo8LZ-5zoAhWEf6wKHSH4B-AQMygAegUIARCQAgHe can't read it. Then he'll know it exists.

[tholdren]

Look, this isn't about preventing people from getting the disease, we can't. It's about delaying the spread so our medical system has time to handle all the sick patients. It's about bringing the mortality rate from 5% (Italy) down to .2%. Read this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/13/815502262/flattening-a-pandemics-curve-why-staying-home-now-can-save-lives.
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-flattening-curve-20200313/
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-flattening-curve-20200313/https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhealthblog.uofmhealth. org%2Fsites%2Fconsumer%2Ffiles%2F2020-03%2FCoronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhealthblog.uofmhealth.org% 2Fwellness-prevention%2Fflattening-curve-for-covid-19-what-does-it-mean-and-how-can-you-help&tbnid=9dfdBSqGlXOWJM&vet=12ahUKEwjDo8LZ-5zoAhWEf6wKHSH4B-AQMygAegUIARCQAg..i&docid=ywLIwOevYDeFWM&w=850&h=478&q=coronavirus%20flattening%20curve&ved=2ahUKEwjDo8LZ-5zoAhWEf6wKHSH4B-AQMygAegUIARCQAg
I agree with you. I just dont agree with the how they are attempting to do this. My point about hygiene: if you are sick stay at home, if you have a pre existing condition during flu season stay at home, wash hands, dont touch your face etc.

When you start giving out mortality rate, which is misleading at best, then you induce panic and send people who dont need tested out to get tests. There is nothing your doctor can do for you if it is viral and you have no preexisting condition you will not die.

But again, I agree with you about the burden on the system being problematic and dangerous. I think we should be trying to figure out how to prevent this issue without hibernation.

Sadly, no one will really know. You will think this worked, I will think it was overreaching. But it's fun to argue about.

[Atl Spur]

All this foolish back & forth will soon be resolved.....lots of people are going to die! Let’s see your responses when people you love are affected because you ( tholdren & crew ) obviously don’t use intellect or display empathy before posting! Everyone gets a turn to do the right thing no matter how big or small...... choose wisely homie(s).

[Genovaswitness]

You think our deaths are low because of healthcare infrastructure?

yes


:lol

United States has barely the same healthcare system than Italy in terms of quality and way behind a lot of countries. Stop watching ER, the good doctor, grey anatomy...

https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/

"ceoworld.biz"

:lmao



LOL, you choose to be uninformed and spread bad information. Italy has a better, more comprehensive healthcare system than the US, it's just being inundated because they ignored the data on c19 like the US.

You are not only embarrassing yourself, but dangerous. All your posts show that don't give a shit about anyone but yourself, so why would any of us listen to you?

Just be quiet.

how is it "better" or "more comprehensive"? something went wrong in italy for them to be where they are, tent ICUs and all



Italy is first-world. Healthcare and otherwise.

The infant mortality rate in the US (5.8/1,000) is higher than that of Italy (3.3/1,000).

Northern Italy (where the outbreak started) makes Ferarris we make (well, you get it) . . .

I'm willing to wager the amount of high risk pregnancies that are brought to term are higher in the US. on its own it's a pretty weak metric

[Genovaswitness]

You didn’t really counter any argument against the lack of testing. Empty posting from you time and again. You’ve added nothing.

not even at 60 deaths today

[Prime BEEF]

Look, this isn't about preventing people from getting the disease, we can't. It's about delaying the spread so our medical system has time to handle all the sick patients. It's about bringing the mortality rate from 5% (Italy) down to .2%. Read this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/13/815502262/flattening-a-pandemics-curve-why-staying-home-now-can-save-lives.
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-flattening-curve-20200313/
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-flattening-curve-20200313/https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhealthblog.uofmhealth. org%2Fsites%2Fconsumer%2Ffiles%2F2020-03%2FCoronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fhealthblog.uofmhealth.org% 2Fwellness-prevention%2Fflattening-curve-for-covid-19-what-does-it-mean-and-how-can-you-help&tbnid=9dfdBSqGlXOWJM&vet=12ahUKEwjDo8LZ-5zoAhWEf6wKHSH4B-AQMygAegUIARCQAg..i&docid=ywLIwOevYDeFWM&w=850&h=478&q=coronavirus%20flattening%20curve&ved=2ahUKEwjDo8LZ-5zoAhWEf6wKHSH4B-AQMygAegUIARCQAg
The current US stats are 3,400 tested positive and 63 deaths. 1.85% of those tested positive have died.

[BacktoBasics]

not even at 60 deaths today
You really don’t know that because there’s wasn’t any testing of the dead. There’s hardly any testing now. It’s virtually nonexistent.

Are you really this fucking stupid? You can’t point to a statistic that is built on a foundation of no testing. It’s a non starter at this point.

Let me be clear. You can’t point to contributing deaths with little to no testing. Incredibly stupid of you to fail to comprehend that.

[tholdren]

You really don’t know that because there’s wasn’t any testing of the dead. There’s hardly any testing now. It’s virtually nonexistent.

Are you really this fucking stupid? You can’t point to a statistic that is built on a foundation of no testing. It’s a non starter at this point.

Let me be clear. You can’t point to contributing deaths with little to no testing. Incredibly stupid of you to fail to comprehend that.

The exact same point for the death rate. You cant say that 100000 or 100 or 0 people had it that weren't tested. But I think we may be able to assume that a lot more people have had it due to the transmission rate and how easily this virus seems to be spread.

[TrumpLovesPop]

Trump the MAGA MAN winning.

[Genovaswitness]

You really don’t know that because there’s wasn’t any testing of the dead. There’s hardly any testing now. It’s virtually nonexistent.

Are you really this fucking stupid? You can’t point to a statistic that is built on a foundation of no testing. It’s a non starter at this point.

Let me be clear. You can’t point to contributing deaths with little to no testing. Incredibly stupid of you to fail to comprehend that.

uhhhh checked against still under 60 :lmao :lmao :lmao

[ducks]

7 min ago
Vice President Pence says more than 2,000 labs will have high-speed testing capability by Monday
From CNN's Nicky Robertson and Jason Hoffman
Vice President Mike Pence speaks to the media during a press briefing at the White House on March 15.
Vice President Mike Pence speaks to the media during a press briefing at the White House on March 15. Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images
During a White House briefing Sunday, Vice President Mike Pence announced that “more than 2,000 labs” will have high-speed testing capacity by Monday.

Since the declaration of a national state of emergency, Pence said federal public health services have worked with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and "have reached out to all 50 states to create a process that will enable all Americans who need to be tested to go to a community-based testing site outside of usual health care facilities."

Pence noted these tests will be focused on those "most in need."

Adm. Brett Giroir with the US Public Health Service outlined how new coronavirus testing will be rolled out. He said there would be 1.9 million tests available this week across the 2,000 labs. Giroir also emphasized that the priority would be placed on those most vulnerable.

Giroir added that there wouldn’t be undue stress put on the acute health care system, meaning emergency rooms or urgent care

[weebo]

Honest, non trolling question for once, should everyone be tested?

Absolutely, if by everyone you mean shows symptoms or has come in contact with someone who's been infected, etc. How else are we to identify who has COVID-19 and who has another lesser virus? Also, are we supposed to quarantine everyone who sneezes, coughs, or has the "sniffles"? How do we protect health care workers from the possibly infected if they don't know who has it? ....SMH It's just common sense.

[BacktoBasics]

uhhhh checked against still under 60 :lmao :lmao :lmao
You’re actually a genius.

Based on your logic you’ve cured cancer.

If you don’t provide testing for cancer you can easily claim that cancer doesn’t kill.

[ElNono]

uhhhh checked against still under 60 :lmao :lmao :lmao

63 now...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Genovaswitness]

You’re actually a genius.

Based on your logic you’ve cured cancer.

If you don’t provide testing for cancer you can easily claim that cancer doesn’t kill.

better dig up those corpses and test them so you can win an argument!


63 now...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

I wonder how many the flu killed during that same timeframe..

[BacktoBasics]

better dig up those corpses and test them so you can win an argument!



I wonder how many the flu killed during that same timeframe..How many died of the flu but it was actually corona.

Answer according to you: None, as long as we don’t test anyone.

[slick'81]

:lol Mike pence

[tholdren]

Absolutely, if by everyone you mean shows symptoms or has come in contact with someone who's been infected, etc. How else are we to identify who has COVID-19 and who has another lesser virus? Also, are we supposed to quarantine everyone who sneezes, coughs, or has the "sniffles"? How do we protect health care workers from the possibly infected if they don't know who has it? ....SMH It's just common sense.
It's not common sense hence the litany of questions you added. Also can you catch this more than once. If so, then do you need tested until you are positive?

What about next year?

[slick'81]

It's not common sense hence the litany of questions you added. Also can you catch this more than once. If so, then do you need tested until you are positive?

What about next year?


Clearly were all doomed

[tholdren]

How many died of the flu but it was actually corona.

Answer according to you: None, as long as we don’t test anyone.

Then that just means there were millions that had corona that didn't die get treated or tested.

[ElNono]

I wonder how many the flu killed during that same timeframe..

white flag accepted

[baseline bum]

How many died of the flu but it was actually corona.

Answer according to you: None, as long as we don’t test anyone.

Gotta wonder, supposedly the pangolin to human transmission was traced to late November in Wuhan though China didn't acknowledge anything until New Year's Eve.

[weebo]

It's not common sense hence the litany of questions you added. Also can you catch this more than once. If so, then do you need tested until you are positive?

What about next year?

Well, if it's not common sense then the answer to the questions I asked should be obvious.
No one knows for sure but it seems likely that having the infection once can result in some immunity, but just like the influenza virus can mutate so can this one.

And next year? Who knows...it may stay here with us forever or as your dear leader said it might one day just disappear like magic.

But I get it...you're on the it's "just a flu" team and no reason to test because it will incite panic. Or maybe you don't want to know. Maybe you just don't want to deal with your own mortality.

[tholdren]

Gotta wonder, supposedly the pangolin to human transmission was traced to late November in Wuhan though China didn't acknowledge anything until New Year's Eve.

No one will ever be able to determine this.

[slick'81]

Well, if it's not common sense then the answer to the questions I asked should be obvious.
No one knows for sure but it seems likely that having the infection once can result in some immunity, but just like the influenza virus can mutate so can this one.

And next year? Who knows...it may stay here with us forever or as your dear leader said it might one day just disappear like magic.

But I get it...you're on the it's "just a flu" team and no reason to test because it will incite panic. Or maybe you don't want to know. Maybe you just don't want to deal with your own mortality.


Less then 1% have re tested positive after exsposure and recovery in china soo far

[tholdren]

Well, if it's not common sense then the answer to the questions I asked should be obvious.
No one knows for sure but it seems likely that having the infection once can result in some immunity, but just like the influenza virus can mutate so can this one.

And next year? Who knows...it may stay here with us forever or as your dear leader said it might one day just disappear like magic.

But I get it...you're on the it's "just a flu" team and no reason to test because it will incite panic. Or maybe you don't want to know. Maybe you just don't want to deal with your own mortality.

Not at all. I would rather live my life than hide. Testing doesnt matter as much as good hygiene. Which is, and will continue to be, the problem.

If you have good hygiene you most likely wont get it. That's pretty much the only thing you will ever know about the spread of viruses for sure.

[tholdren]

Less then 1% have re tested positive after exsposure and recovery in china soo far

Interesting. Thanks, you got a link.

[weebo]

Less then 1% have re tested positive after exsposure and recovery in china soo far

The effectiveness of these test aren't 100% accurate...I'm aware of the literature (we would need longitudinal studies on a much larger cohort to really understand the prognosis of the disease--but it's all still very new) . We can't dismiss that some pts we're still infected and tested false negative.

[weebo]

Not at all. I would rather live my life than hide. Testing doesnt matter as much as good hygiene. Which is, and will continue to be, the problem.

If you have good hygiene you most likely wont get it. That's pretty much the only thing you will ever know about the spread of viruses for sure.

What does "good hygiene" mean to you?

[tholdren]

What does "good hygiene" mean to you?

Hand washing regularly, hands off face, cough sneeze into elbow or tissue then wash hands, limiting shared spaces, social distancing. You do those things you be fine.

The problem is most of the time humans dont do any of that and they have a gross habit of touching their own face often. Cut that out.

[tholdren]

Italy high due to age, cultural appropriateness of poor hygiene and smokers. China due to proximity. I would be interested in knowing more about this when utilizing data to determine transmission of any virus. Again, problem solve on prevention not reaction

[weebo]

Hand washing regularly, hands off face, cough sneeze into elbow or tissue then wash hands, limiting shared spaces, social distancing. You do those things you be fine.

The problem is most of the time humans dont do any of that and they have a gross habit of touching their own face often. Cut that out.

Unfortunately not everyone shares your sentiments and sometimes extreme measures have to take place to drive the point across--like locking down cities. As for testing, and as someone who has front row seats to what's unfolding, we have to test--we have to know who has it so we can act on it and who doesn't. All in all, this is a communicable disease and it's going to take everyone working together to slow it down so we can save as many people as we can and that's including our healthcare workers and other essential parts/workers of our society.

[weebo]

Italy high due to age, cultural appropriateness of poor hygiene and smokers. China due to proximity. I would be interested in knowing more about this when utilizing data to determine transmission of any virus. Again, problem solve on prevention not reaction

Obesity has also been linked to higher mortality rate.

[Genovaswitness]

How many died of the flu but it was actually corona.

Answer according to you: None, as long as we don’t test anyone.

get to digging


white flag accepted

no, not at all. my contention was that if you tracked every other disease you’d probably get a higher count.

[DMC]

Well, if it's not common sense then the answer to the questions I asked should be obvious.
No one knows for sure but it seems likely that having the infection once can result in some immunity, but just like the influenza virus can mutate so can this one.

And next year? Who knows...it may stay here with us forever or as your dear leader said it might one day just disappear like magic.

But I get it...you're on the it's "just a flu" team and no reason to test because it will incite panic. Or maybe you don't want to know. Maybe you just don't want to deal with your own mortality.
That's a bit rude since Magic also has a virus.

[ElNono]

no, not at all. my contention was that if you tracked every other disease you’d probably get a higher count.

Which is completely unrelated to the corona conversation we're having here, and your celebration of having less than 60 deaths.

We can talk about the weather too, completely unrelated, but we certainly could.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Which is completely unrelated to the corona conversation we're having here, and your celebration of having less than 60 deaths.

We can talk about the weather too, completely unrelated, but we certainly could.


LMAO. I look in here once a day, and there's Nono with his obligatory reductionist argument. If they guy is questioning whether this thing is that much worse than, say, a virulent influenza strain, it probably makes sense to talk about the other disease to make a comparison. If someone is speculating that the infection rate might slow down once it warms up in the northern hemisphere, the weather might be pertinent too. I'll give you this, Nono: what you lack in intelligence, you make up for in smarmy high school logical fallacy.

He's right that there are only about 60 deaths in the US so far. It could get a lot worse, but that doesn't change the accuracy of his statement. The bigger thing may be that about 1/3 of those deaths come from a single nursing home in Washington. It's looking like the mortality rate in people under about 50 is very similar to influenza, and it's older people with underlying health conditions that are really skewing the death numbers.

Not only that, most of the test kits being used were returning really high false positive rates - some as high as 48%. Which means that a lot of people who got tested had the virus but were tested negative. And that means that the death rate is actually smaller, as a percentage of total infections. (We know how many people died, but there were a LOT more people infected than was first believed.)

It's pretty clear that some people (like you) would really like to see this thing get worse, just to prove some political point. It's sick... probably sociopathic.

[ChumpDumper]

Not only that, most of the test kits being used were returning really high false positive rates - some as high as 48%. Which means that a lot of people who got tested had the virus but were tested negative. And that means that the death rate is actually smaller, as a percentage of total infections. (We know how many people died, but there were a LOT more people infected than was first believed.)That doesn't sound right tbh.

[ElNono]

LMAO. I look in here once a day, and there's Nono with his obligatory reductionist argument. If they guy is questioning whether this thing is that much worse than, say, a virulent influenza strain, it probably makes sense to talk about the other disease to make a comparison. If someone is speculating that the infection rate might slow down once it warms up in the northern hemisphere, the weather might be pertinent too. I'll give you this, Nono: what you lack in intelligence, you make up for in smarmy high school logical fallacy.

He's right that there are only about 60 deaths in the US so far. It could get a lot worse, but that doesn't change the accuracy of his statement. The bigger thing may be that about 1/3 of those deaths come from a single nursing home in Washington. It's looking like the mortality rate in people under about 50 is very similar to influenza, and it's older people with underlying health conditions that are really skewing the death numbers.

Not only that, most of the test kits being used were returning really high false positive rates - some as high as 48%. Which means that a lot of people who got tested had the virus but were tested negative. And that means that the death rate is actually smaller, as a percentage of total infections. (We know how many people died, but there were a LOT more people infected than was first believed.)

It's pretty clear that some people (like you) would really like to see this thing get worse, just to prove some political point. It's sick... probably sociopathic.

But he wasn't pointing it out, he was spiking the football that there was less the 60 deaths. I merely pointed out 2 hours later that there was over 60, which then went directly to whataboutism/dodge, "but look at the flu deaths!"

If we do basic math, this thing has 18 to 40 times the death rate of flu, which makes sense, since we don't have a vaccine for it. This isn't opinion, it's directly related to the fact that the flu has a mortality rate of 0.1% whereas this thing is between 1.8% and at 4%.

And yes, that includes the US, so unless you're going advance that the CDC test is flawed too, there's really not a lot of spin to add to this. So, it's entirely possible that there isn't that many deaths right now compared to the flu, but this is just getting started, and that's the point.

What the fuck are you talking about politics? This has nothing to do with politics, I didn't mention Trump or anybody else here. I see stupid people saying stupid things, and I just point out what's stupid about it.

[ElNono]

That doesn't sound right tbh.

Not only that's not right, I've read the exact opposite: some tests returned negative when the person was indeed infected, especially the WHO test in China.

[hombre]

Italy high due to age, cultural appropriateness of poor hygiene and smokers. China due to proximity. I would be interested in knowing more about this when utilizing data to determine transmission of any virus. Again, problem solve on prevention not reaction

C19 is worse in Italy because of its proximity to China and they have worse hygiene and are less healthy that US citizens? Do you think before the shit spews out of your face? Have you ever been to a Cracker Barrel? You think like a racist from a 1970s sitcom.

[hombre]

Listen to actual Doctors and Healthcare professionals -
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/03/a-covid-19-coronavirus-update-from-concerned-physicians.html

[JPB]

Docs and virologists in France estimated the actual number of infected people is about 100 times bigger than the detected cases (5K as of today). And all the models virologists elaborated these past weeks predected exactly what's happening right now, reason why politicians are listening to them now as those models don't anounce pretty things if you don't take the drastic measures every nation is adopting right now.

If not, that shit is all over your country in a matter of weeks, with half of the population infected. And even if it's only dangerous for 1% of them, that's still representing millions of people needing heavy medical treatment (reanimation, respiratory assistance...), which no medical system could handle.

You know that stuff is serious in a world driven by money when nations are ready to hurt their economy so dramatically to eradicate that nice gift from China.

[Frenchfred]

yes
"ceoworld.biz"

:lmao

you keep on losing on losing. No argument, it is too easy to debate with you.

[Frenchfred]

get to digging



no, not at all. my contention was that if you tracked every other disease you’d probably get a higher count.

and he loses another argument :lol it must be tiring to be on the losing side. Everybody beats you, you cannot argue with one person, not one :lol

[Genovaswitness]

Which is completely unrelated to the corona conversation we're having here, and your celebration of having less than 60 deaths.

We can talk about the weather too, completely unrelated, but we certainly could.

whatever you wanna say to make yourself feel better

[Genovaswitness]

you keep on losing on losing. No argument, it is too easy to debate with you.


and he loses another argument :lol it must be tiring to be on the losing side. Everybody beats you, you cannot argue with one person, not one :lol

oui oui Le French fucktard at it again. Gonna pull up another ceoworld.biz article? :lmao oh yeah how’s the quarantine going? Not used to working So I’m sure nothing’s changed :lmao

[ElNono]

whatever you wanna say to make yourself feel better

white flag accepted, again

[Genovaswitness]

white flag accepted, again

63 deaths SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY

[tholdren]

C19 is worse in Italy because of its proximity to China and they have worse hygiene and are less healthy that US citizens? Do you think before the shit spews out of your face? Have you ever been to a Cracker Barrel? You think like a racist from a 1970s sitcom.
Look at the statistical information. The age of italians. The amount of smokers in italy. They greet by KISSING. All of these things increase their risk.of death. You do understand italy does not border China, right?

[ElNono]

63 deaths SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY

66 now. I didn't ask to shut down anything, tbh.

[ElNono]

Oops, make that 69.

[JPB]

I hope it won't happen but there's a fair (and logical) chance USA will be Italy in a couple weeks or so.

[Ozzy]

Sadly, with how you are handling it at the moment I am affraid it is going to be far far worse.

In most countries in Europe almost everything is getting shut down. In Slovenia the government completely shut down all public transport - only taxis are allowed to drive, all bars & restaurants, all none vital shops, schools are a no brainer of course, etc... And pretty much the same is going on in every country around us.

[Rocalcio]

I hope it won't happen but there's a fair (and logical) chance USA will be Italy in a couple weeks or so.

Of course it will. Here in France we are just about to be quarantined, all shops except for food and pharmacies are closed. And it looks like next step will be for us to be told to stay home indefinitely. It’s just the beginning in USA and you’ll go through this too.

[hombre]

how is it "better" or "more comprehensive"?

Everyone has answered this in a thread, do some internet research.



something went wrong in italy for them to be where they are, tent ICUs and all.

No testing. No one has immunity so it spreads fast and the need for hospitalization last for 3-4 weeks with no testing crippled their system -

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/03/a-covid-19-coronavirus-update-from-concerned-physicians.html

You should listen to this, we are trying to help you.

[Ozzy]

Italy also underestimated it for too long. They quarantined two areas and thought they can contain it inside. It wouldn't have been contained anyway but there were also some smartasses from those two areas that ignored the quarantine ans went skiing... As this was during school holiday period for a lot of countries there were a lot of people there. Started to spread from there into a lot of close countries. I thin first cases in Slovenia, Austria and Croatia were all from people skiing in Italy ...

The second problem Italy had was that it got into their healthcare system unnoticed in the beginning...

[BacktoBasics]

Not at all. I would rather live my life than hide. Testing doesnt matter as much as good hygiene. Which is, and will continue to be, the problem.

If you have good hygiene you most likely wont get it. That's pretty much the only thing you will ever know about the spread of viruses for sure.This is exactly the kind of thinking and misinformation that will cause this to spread further. Testing, identifying and tracing contact to test further is what helps more than anything.

But since testing is essentially nonexistent they’re preaching hygiene... only now the most ignorant somehow have morphed that into a solution. Shortsighted idiocy when people like you warp reality to fit your narrative. It’s here. It’s gonna spike and testing more people will help more than anything.

[Frenchfred]

oui oui Le French fucktard at it again. Gonna pull up another ceoworld.biz article? :lmao oh yeah how’s the quarantine going? Not used to working So I’m sure nothing’s changed :lmao

when you don't like the statistic, you just criticize the source. FAKE NEWS (to pronounce with the stupid voice of your moronic president). So classic and pathetic. You lost again.

[JPB]

Just heard that in NY, the hospitalisation rate of infected people is 17% and that some projections were expecting 60% of the population to be infected, with around 15K available places in hospital. Well...

Even if that 60% was overestimated, that's not gonna be pretty.

[lmbebo]

Not looking pretty. its getting out of control. Next few weeks will suck.... Expecting a few positive cases in SA area this week.

[Russ]

Trump just rated his response to corona virus a ten!

On a scale of 1 to 10!

[BackHome]

Geez everyone get a grip everyone running around screaming “The Sky Is Falling” ain’t going to do shit. People over reacting causing more harm then good and you dumb fuckers getting happy to see the infection rate climb just so you can bash a president will hopefully get the virus and suffer weeks before a miserable death - KARMA IS A BITCH

On a positive side only thing not sold out at HEB is Beer so no need to panic - Stay safe Spurs Fans.

[baseline bum]

Not looking pretty. its getting out of control. Next six months will suck.... Expecting a few positive cases in SA area this week.

fify

[tholdren]

This is exactly the kind of thinking and misinformation that will cause this to spread further. Testing, identifying and tracing contact to test further is what helps more than anything.

But since testing is essentially nonexistent they’re preaching hygiene... only now the most ignorant somehow have morphed that into a solution. Shortsighted idiocy when people like you warp reality to fit your narrative. It’s here. It’s gonna spike and testing more people will help more than anything.
Lol. Right. Quarantine is making people be hygienic. Its personal responsibility from both the the carrier and the receiver. Good hygiene equals misinformation. Check.

[BacktoBasics]

Lol. Right. Quarantine is making people be hygienic. Its personal responsibility from both the the carrier and the receiver. Good hygiene equals misinformation. Check.
That’s not what I said. Of course I expect nothing less from you.

You said good hygiene is more important than testing. That is misinformation. I have no issue with good hygiene. Go back and read. Then be a real man about it and apologize.

So not only did you spread misinformation you also lied about my response and attempted to misrepresent my post to better fit your argument. This is why people like you are the problem.

[tholdren]

That’s not what I said. Of course I expect nothing less from you.

You said good hygiene is more important than testing. That is misinformation. I have no issue with good hygiene. Go back and read. Then be a real man about it and apologize.

So not only did you spread misinformation you also lied about my response and attempted to misrepresent my post to better fit your argument. This is why people like you are the problem.
Lol we need more testing than good hygiene. Lol

[Atl Spur]

Having fun yet? Clowns ........ yeah I’m talking to you tholdren & crew.

[ElNono]

Hopefully the children in the room pay attention to the orange clown too now...

[tholdren]

Having fun yet? Clowns ........ yeah I’m talking to you tholdren & crew.
Having fun with what? Speculating. Of course. Just what social media and this type of site is for. The offering up of differences in opinion and a platform for cliffjumpers. No more no less. Just like with a win, loss, or free agency.

[BacktoBasics]

Lol we need more testing than good hygiene. LolAnother lie. I never said that either. I said testing was more important.

I guess this is your thing. Just lie. You’ve now lied twice about what I posted and I’d guess that you’ll double down again and create more lies.

It’s really pathetic how people like you go about talking with other people. It’s really indefensible. But you simply defend it with more lies and misdirection.

[tholdren]

Another lie. I never said that either. I said testing was more important.

I guess this is your thing. Just lie. You’ve now lied twice about what I posted and I’d guess that you’ll double down again and create more lies.

It’s really pathetic how people like you go about talking with other people. It’s really indefensible. But you simply defend it with more lies and misdirection.

Lol ... here's what you said.
But since testing is essentially nonexistent they’re preaching hygiene... only now the most ignorant somehow have morphed that into a solution. Shortsighted idiocy when people like you warp reality to fit your narrative. It’s here. It’s gonna spike and testing more people will help more than anything

And that's dumb. If you practice good hygiene you will most likely not get the virus. Why are they testing? To quarantine. Why do they quarantine? To make people be hygienic.

Sad, really. They will never be able to test everyone. But it doesnt matter. Testing is a reaction to poor hygiene and passing the disease.

[Genovaswitness]

Everyone has answered this in a thread, do some internet research.




No testing. No one has immunity so it spreads fast and the need for hospitalization last for 3-4 weeks with no testing crippled their system -

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/03/a-covid-19-coronavirus-update-from-concerned-physicians.html

You should listen to this, we are trying to help you.

and yet italy has somehow done it worse than anybody


when you don't like the statistic, you just criticize the source. FAKE NEWS (to pronounce with the stupid voice of your moronic president). So classic and pathetic. You lost again.

OUI OUI where’s the ceoworld.biz link :lmao I’m sure you have more dubious sources in your arsenal.

[Leetonidas]

Oops, make that 69.

In two weeks: "1000 deaths. No big deal!"

[8FOR!3]

Lots of towns are preemptively shutting down for the most part before #s of official breakouts are really bad. Where I live in SC a lot of places are starting to shut down. Idk what else you can really do. I’m staying home and my family is too minus necessary trips to the grocery store. Even now I think we’re prepared to go a couple of weeks or so without even going to the store if we really had to

[BacktoBasics]

Lol ... here's what you said.
But since testing is essentially nonexistent they’re preaching hygiene... only now the most ignorant somehow have morphed that into a solution. Shortsighted idiocy when people like you warp reality to fit your narrative. It’s here. It’s gonna spike and testing more people will help more than anything

And that's dumb. If you practice good hygiene you will most likely not get the virus. Why are they testing? To quarantine. Why do they quarantine? To make people be hygienic.

Sad, really. They will never be able to test everyone. But it doesnt matter. Testing is a reaction to poor hygiene and passing the disease.I was clear what I posted and both of your responses were completely inaccurate. You lied. I corrected you and I guess now instead of just owning your mistake(err lie) you just deflect.

[tholdren]

I was clear what I posted and both of your responses were completely inaccurate. You lied. I corrected you and I guess now instead of just owning your mistake(err lie) you just deflect.

You must not be able to read. I posted exactly what you said. You said that since testing wasn't available they preach hygiene... you then said that ignorant people think hygiene is a solution.....

Good hygiene is not only a solution, but the reason the QUARANTINE AFTER A POSITIVE TEST.

Good hygiene is also the means for prevention. But since people do not practice good hygiene regularly, asymptomatic people or even people who cannot get tested still spread the germs.

This is exactly what you said. This is my response. Nothing more notgoing less. If you are sick stay home. If you are alive be Hygienic. Pretty simple

[tholdren]

In two weeks: "1000 deaths. No big deal!"

Gun violence, car accidents, opioids, flu....

[Frenchfred]

and yet italy has somehow done it worse than anybody



OUI OUI where’s the ceoworld.biz link :lmao I’m sure you have more dubious sources in your arsenal.

it is world known that the US healthcare system is crap. All rankings show it. Play dumb, it suits you very well

here is another one for you; Italy at number 2 and the US at number 37
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

the world is not like fauxnews out there.

you lost again

[Frenchfred]

Gun violence, car accidents, opioids, flu....

I’m sorry but gun violence doesn’t have an exponential growth although people are stupid and go buy more guns because of the viruw

[emanueldavidginobili]

I live in San Diego and it’s pandemonium right now. Drove by Costco at 830 this morning and there were hundreds and hundreds of people waiting in line drove back through that way about an hour later had to be close to a thousand people now, store doesn’t even open until 10. Walked into a different grocery store took 10 steps and walked out it was insane in there.

I work at the Naval hospital here, I’ll probably end up catching it tbh

[BacktoBasics]

You must not be able to read. I posted exactly what you said. You said that since testing wasn't available they preach hygiene... you then said that ignorant people think hygiene is a solution.....

Good hygiene is not only a solution, but the reason the QUARANTINE AFTER A POSITIVE TEST.

Good hygiene is also the means for prevention. But since people do not practice good hygiene regularly, asymptomatic people or even people who cannot get tested still spread the germs.

This is exactly what you said. This is my response. Nothing more notgoing less. If you are sick stay home. If you are alive be Hygienic. Pretty simple
It’s not a solution it will however help. Testing is the number one thing that needs to be done.

[tholdren]

I’m sorry but gun violence doesn’t have an exponential growth although people are stupid and go buy more guns because of the viruw
True. I'm interested in why, if those things all kill more, why this reaction to this virus?

[Genovaswitness]

it is world known that the US healthcare system is crap. All rankings show it. Play dumb, it suits you very well

here is another one for you; Italy at number 2 and the US at number 37
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

the world is not like fauxnews out there.

you lost again

italy, with its 10% death rate, shouldn’t be ranked higher than witch doctoring. fucking retard :lmao :lmao :lmao

[BacktoBasics]

I live in San Diego and it’s pandemonium right now. Drove by Costco at 830 this morning and there were hundreds and hundreds of people waiting in line drove back through that way about an hour later had to be close to a thousand people now, store doesn’t even open until 10. Walked into a different grocery store took 10 steps and walked out it was insane in there.

I work at the Naval hospital here, I’ll probably end up catching it tbhThese massive gatherings are literally the worst thing people can do. I’d guess a shit ton of people passing the virus at these places.

[tholdren]

It’s not a solution it will however help. Testing is the number one thing that needs to be done.
Which is wrong. Testing may or may not even eliminate the spread based on the time one is contagious or has the virus. If you always practice good hygiene you will not infect nor get infected at a high rate

[Sugus]

Which is wrong. Testing may or may not even eliminate the spread based on the time one is contagious or has the virus. If you always practice good hygiene you will not infect nor get infected at a high rate

This is such a retarded argument (not that I expected anything more)... What do you even consider good hygiene? Locking yourself at home is the only way to prevent yourself from catching the virus, because even if you washed your hands 10 times a day and did every other measure possible, you still can't control other people's actions, especially those who are infected (and [I]especially[/] those who are asymptomatic, so they go about their lives normally while infecting everything around them - one of the many reasons more testing is vital). You go out on the street, into a supermarket or pharmacy or bar or wherever, and you're immediately exposed to people who may or may not practice good hygiene and care measures. Virus spreading just by people coughing on things, talking, existing around you. That is why virus like the common cold or flu still manage to infect thousands of people every year - humans are, by definition, fallible and vulnerable. Not to mention against something we have no protection for.

It's actually hard to believe that, in the middle of an international pandemic, there'd be people actively advocating against testing for the disease. But it's hardly the most surprising thing about the situation.

[MultiTroll]

I live in San Diego and it’s pandemonium right now. Drove by Costco at 830 this morning and there were hundreds and hundreds of people waiting in line drove back through that way about an hour later had to be close to a thousand people now, store doesn’t even open until 10.
I'm avoiding Costco.
"Avoid large gatherings" is high on the gov't list of spreaders.

[Prime BEEF]

I live in San Diego and it’s pandemonium right now. Drove by Costco at 830 this morning and there were hundreds and hundreds of people waiting in line drove back through that way about an hour later had to be close to a thousand people now, store doesn’t even open until 10. Walked into a different grocery store took 10 steps and walked out it was insane in there.

I work at the Naval hospital here, I’ll probably end up catching it tbh
hopefully you don’t. Best of luck and thank you for taking care of the folks there.

[JPB]

I live in San Diego and it’s pandemonium right now. Drove by Costco at 830 this morning and there were hundreds and hundreds of people waiting in line drove back through that way about an hour later had to be close to a thousand people now, store doesn’t even open until 10. Walked into a different grocery store took 10 steps and walked out it was insane in there.

I work at the Naval hospital here, I’ll probably end up catching it tbh

Stay safe, mate.

That's exactly why authorities end up decreeing total lockouts... Some people act just completly stupid, putting everyone else in danger.

[hombre]

Months of Fox News and Trump saying it was a hoax.

[Frenchfred]

italy, with its 10% death rate, shouldn’t be ranked higher than witch doctoring. fucking retard :lmao :lmao :lmao

and he continues showing his stupidity, really man, I'm loving it. You act exactly how I would expect from a trump supporter, you don't back what you are saying with facts and stats, you just say no or fakenews to everything and you really don't understand anything even simple things. Really, thanks for confirming, many thanks.

[Frenchfred]

Months of Fox News and Trump saying it was a hoax.

this is what happens when facts are not important anymore. Trump has been caught more than 10000 times lying in public, fauxnews is not allowed to be a news channel (only entertainment) in the UK anymore since they lie too often (yes more than CNN). This is exactly the type of situation for which transparency is important. You don't want leaders lying to you.

[Frenchfred]

Which is wrong. Testing may or may not even eliminate the spread based on the time one is contagious or has the virus. If you always practice good hygiene you will not infect nor get infected at a high rate

so you are washing your hands EVERY SINGLE time you touch something? You clean everything you buy, produces, credit card, cash....? The virus can stay on surfaces up to 72h, so if you touch one of those surfaces without washing your hand afterward, you take the risk of getting the virus and contaminated other people afterward.

[Genovaswitness]

this is what happens when facts are not important anymore. Trump has been caught more than 10000 times lying in public, fauxnews is not allowed to be a news channel (only entertainment) in the UK anymore since they lie too often (yes more than CNN). This is exactly the type of situation for which transparency is important. You don't want leaders lying to you.

10% :lmao fucking idiot

[Shakril]

italy, with its 10% death rate, shouldn’t be ranked higher than witch doctoring. fucking retard :lmao :lmao :lmao

What the F is wrong with you? Are you so resitent to information that you are making fun of thousands of people who already died on this virus? You think that the US is immune to what italy has?
On the contrary, every sign suggest, that the US will be worse than the US. This is not a time for stupidity.


Currently the deathrate for the US, is at 56%. Of course it will go down over time, but i dont see anything to be laughing about.

[Frenchfred]

10% :lmao fucking idiot

still no argument or facts? shocking

Another one for you, 14% truth in what Trump says.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

you lost again

[Frenchfred]

What the F is wrong with you? Are you so resitent to information that you are making fun of thousands of people who already died on this virus? You think that the US is immune to what italy has?
On the contrary, every sign suggest, that the US will be worse than the US. This is not a time for stupidity.


Currently the deathrate for the US, is at 56%. Of course it will go down over time, but i dont see anything to be laughing about.

it seems that stupidity is natural with him so good luck to make him understand. His head is so far down trump's ass that he cannot hear anything else.

[Genovaswitness]

What the F is wrong with you? Are you so resitent to information that you are making fun of thousands of people who already died on this virus? You think that the US is immune to what italy has?
On the contrary, every sign suggest, that the US will be worse than the US. This is not a time for stupidity.


Currently the deathrate for the US, is at 56%. Of course it will go down over time, but i dont see anything to be laughing about.

put the meth pipe down the Death rate is nowhere near “56%”. Texas just had its first COVID-19 death, a patient in their 90s...looking forward to economic shutdown for the next 6 months because of that

still no argument or facts? shocking

Another one for you, 14% truth in what Trump says.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

you lost again

“you lost again” the French fucking retard repeats yet again drooling rocking in his chair while thumping his chest. poltifact hacks should be overjoyed Trump is president, keeps them employed. what would they talk about otherwise?

[Frenchfred]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89913646_10163166313410147_3857074648365662208_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=kBNAysmrU5QAX93e05l&_nc_ht=scontent-cdg2-1.xx&oh=3a2c5139849d20ccd8bd564c5b475efd&oe=5E94B926

Just an interesting comparison between the US and Italy with 4727 cases today in the US and knowing that the US does 20 times less tests than Italy

[Frenchfred]

“you lost again” the French fucking retard repeats yet again drooling rocking in his chair while thumping his chest. poltifact hacks should be overjoyed Trump is president, keeps them employed. what would they talk about otherwise?

actually I only thump my chest when I win a fair fight. With you, it is just like fighting with a 5-year old, I can't realistically be proud of that.

[Prime BEEF]

What the F is wrong with you? Are you so resitent to information that you are making fun of thousands of people who already died on this virus? You think that the US is immune to what italy has?
On the contrary, every sign suggest, that the US will be worse than the US. This is not a time for stupidity.


Currently the deathrate for the US, is at 56%. Of course it will go down over time, but i dont see anything to be laughing about.
Not true. The current death rate in the US for those that have tested positive is 1.96%. 4,748 have tested positive and 93 have died.

There have been 167 hospitalized in serious condition and 93 of those have died. That’s where you get your 56% from. But that is not the death rate. Right now 1.96% is the actual death rate and that percentage has maintained constant throughout this week. Obviously that could change.

[tholdren]

Not true. The current death rate in the US for those that have tested positive is 1.96%. 4,748 have tested positive and 93 have died.

There have been 167 hospitalized in serious condition and 93 of those have died. That’s where you get your 56% from. But that is not the death rate. Right now 1.96% is the actual death rate and that percentage has maintained constant throughout this week. Obviously that could change.
It's not the actual death rate. It's only the death rate of those tested.

[ElNono]

actually I only thump my chest when I win a fair fight. With you, it is just like fighting with a 5-year old, I can't realistically be proud of that.

lol, simmer down, he's just "triggering dem libs"... nobody is legitimately that stupid.

[Frenchfred]

lol, simmer down, he's just "triggering dem libs"... nobody is legitimately that stupid.

I believe that a lot of people are that stupid. I don't see this issue as a partisan one but it seems indeed that republicans are never on the side of science. Believing in trump or the guidelines of the party seems somehow to have more weight in their mind than logic and scientific facts. So again, I believe that a lot of people are that stupid.

[hombre]

put the meth pipe down the Death rate is nowhere near “56%”. Texas just had its first COVID-19 death, a patient in their 90s...looking forward to economic shutdown for the next 6 months because of that

You care more about money than people. Sad.

[hombre]

Also about the economy, it's not the presses fault for reporting Trump's failure of a response with the pandemic. He should have listened to scientists and got those test kits made. We should have been testing people in January when the first cases were discovered. He hasn't even gotten them made in the numbers we need. Weak. You can't fight what you can't see.

LOL at every press conference with Trump talking about what a good job he's done.

[BackHome]

Man it ain’t about the President this is world wide shit is happening all over get over just stop it.

[BacktoBasics]

63 deaths SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRYOf course I have to preface my next point because disgusting fucks like yourself accuse people of hoping that more people die.

So I hope we have zero more deaths.

However in the last 24 hours the death count has nearly doubled and they still have major issues with testing. They can’t even get swabs to extract samples. I’m certain there are many more deaths going unaccounted for. So in the very small scope of tested people they still managed to nearly double the death count. At some point in the next 2-4 weeks when testing actually becomes available that count is likely to rise exponentially.

But don’t let this stop you from making light of this.

[slick'81]

Of course I have to preface my next point because disgusting fucks like yourself accuse people of hoping that more people die.

So I hope we have zero more deaths.

However in the last 24 hours the death count has nearly doubled and they still have major issues with testing. They can’t even get swabs to extract samples. I’m certain there are many more deaths going unaccounted for. So in the very small scope of tested people they still managed to nearly double the death count. At some point in the next 2-4 weeks when testing actually becomes available that count is likely to rise exponentially.

But don’t let this stop you from making light of this.


Well its over 100 now and were just getting started. Over 1000 more infected in over 24 hours

[Genovaswitness]

actually I only thump my chest when I win a fair fight. With you, it is just like fighting with a 5-year old, I can't realistically be proud of that.

teh euro fucktard acquiesces as is his nature. :lmao


You care more about money than people. Sad.

I care about people having jobs to go back to. The death rate is nowhere near 56% like you said


Of course I have to preface my next point because disgusting fucks like yourself accuse people of hoping that more people die.

So I hope we have zero more deaths.

However in the last 24 hours the death count has nearly doubled and they still have major issues with testing. They can’t even get swabs to extract samples. I’m certain there are many more deaths going unaccounted for. So in the very small scope of tested people they still managed to nearly double the death count. At some point in the next 2-4 weeks when testing actually becomes available that count is likely to rise exponentially.

But don’t let this stop you from making light of this.

so what I’m gathering is that you want everything shut down until 2021, got it

[Genovaswitness]

lol, simmer down, he's just "triggering dem libs"... nobody is legitimately that stupid.


I believe that a lot of people are that stupid. I don't see this issue as a partisan one but it seems indeed that republicans are never on the side of science. Believing in trump or the guidelines of the party seems somehow to have more weight in their mind than logic and scientific facts. So again, I believe that a lot of people are that stupid.

^^high level intellectual discussion right here tbh

[BacktoBasics]

so what I’m gathering is that you want everything shut down until 2021, got itYou assume a lot of shit and then put works in people’s mouth. I’ve made no such suggestion. I’m not an advocate for HEB and Walmart limiting their hours. That makes it worse with lines, crowding and panic buying. Shutting down large events is a smart move.

Morons like you would surely cough your way through a Spurs game and infect a ton of people without considering anyone but yourself.

[slick'81]

You assume a lot of shit and then put works in people’s mouth. I’ve made no such suggestion. I’m not an advocate for HEB and Walmart limiting their hours. That makes it worse with lines, crowding and panic buying. Shutting down large events is a smart move.

Morons like you would surely cough your way through a Spurs game and infect a ton of people without considering anyone but yourself.


Hes a troll my dude,no need to bother

[tholdren]

Of course I have to preface my next point because disgusting fucks like yourself accuse people of hoping that more people die.

So I hope we have zero more deaths.

However in the last 24 hours the death count has nearly doubled and they still have major issues with testing. They can’t even get swabs to extract samples. I’m certain there are many more deaths going unaccounted for. So in the very small scope of tested people they still managed to nearly double the death count. At some point in the next 2-4 weeks when testing actually becomes available that count is likely to rise exponentially.

But don’t let this stop you from making light of this.

You ignore the tens of thousands that have it and did not test because it didn't do anything

[Frenchfred]

^^high level intellectual discussion right here tbh

you are an idiot, plain and simple. At some point, we have to call it how it is. You have zero argument and follow blindly your leader. You should watch out though because even him is changing his rhetoric. He is starting to realize that his initial « hunch » was BS and that he should have listened to expert.

[tholdren]

you are an idiot, plain and simple. At some point, we have to call it how it is. You have zero argument and follow blindly your leader. You should watch out though because even him is changing his rhetoric. He is starting to realize that his initial « hunch » was BS and that he should have listened to expert.
Not even time will tell. This argument will be on going until the end of time

[BacktoBasics]

You ignore the tens of thousands that have it and did not test because it didn't do anything
I’m not ignoring it.

I just read that a new study pins down the source of the 'rapid spread' of the coronavirus in China — people with little or no symptoms


A new study estimates that 86% of COVID-19 infections in China went undiagnosed before the country's travel ban was enacted on January 23.

People who had not been diagnosed with COVID-19 were the source of 79% of reported cases in China.

If undiagnosed people hadn't spread the virus, the number of cases could have been reduced by 66% in Wuhan and 79% across all of China, the study reports.

Again. Testing is the most important thing.

[Genovaswitness]

You assume a lot of shit and then put works in people’s mouth. I’ve made no such suggestion. I’m not an advocate for HEB and Walmart limiting their hours. That makes it worse with lines, crowding and panic buying. Shutting down large events is a smart move.

Morons like you would surely cough your way through a Spurs game and infect a ton of people without considering anyone but yourself.

the sporting events shutting down was an inevitability. shutting down small businesses and ruining local economies is gonna do a lot more harm than good.


you are an idiot, plain and simple. At some point, we have to call it how it is. You have zero argument and follow blindly your leader. You should watch out though because even him is changing his rhetoric. He is starting to realize that his initial « hunch » was BS and that he should have listened to expert.

what would listening to “expert” have done? would “expert” want to close down things for 6 months? 9 months? would “expert” test everyone indiscriminately? btw if every corona positive patient is tested the mortality rate will go down precipitously just from
the denominator getting bigger.

in any event the USA is doing a much better job than Italy. italy fucked up big time.

[Prime BEEF]

I’m not ignoring it.

I just read that a new study pins down the source of the 'rapid spread' of the coronavirus in China — people with little or no symptoms


A new study estimates that 86% of COVID-19 infections in China went undiagnosed before the country's travel ban was enacted on January 23.

People who had not been diagnosed with COVID-19 were the source of 79% of reported cases in China.

If undiagnosed people hadn't spread the virus, the number of cases could have been reduced by 66% in Wuhan and 79% across all of China, the study reports.

Again. Testing is the most important thing.
Thanks. This is good info

[BacktoBasics]

the sporting events shutting down was an inevitability. shutting down small businesses and ruining local economies is gonna do a lot more harm than good.



what would listening to “expert” have done? would “expert” want to close down things for 6 months? 9 months? would “expert” test everyone indiscriminately? btw if every corona positive patient is tested the mortality rate will go down precipitously just from
the denominator getting bigger.

in any event the USA is doing a much better job than Italy. italy fucked up big time.1. Possibly.

2. No. You’re crazy. We can’t even effectively test people yet.

[hombre]

I care about people having jobs to go back to. The death rate is nowhere near 56% like you said

I never said that. Keep your focus.

[Joseph Kony]

You ignore the tens of thousands that have it and did not test because it didn't do anything

Lol. You dumb

[Spurs Homer]

Just checking to see if those trumptards got the memo that dear leader is now worried and trying to act serious about the pandemic?

Trump is now saying he KNEW all along this was a serious problem - "even before all the experts"

so now the trumpsheeple can begin parroting the new narrative - amirite?

[tholdren]

I’m not ignoring it.

I just read that a new study pins down the source of the 'rapid spread' of the coronavirus in China — people with little or no symptoms


A new study estimates that 86% of COVID-19 infections in China went undiagnosed before the country's travel ban was enacted on January 23.

People who had not been diagnosed with COVID-19 were the source of 79% of reported cases in China.

If undiagnosed people hadn't spread the virus, the number of cases could have been reduced by 66% in Wuhan and 79% across all of China, the study reports.

Again. Testing is the most important thing.

You must not be able to comprehend what you just wrote.

[ChumpDumper]

You ignore the tens of thousands that have it and did not test because it didn't do anythingExcept spread to more people.

[tholdren]

Except spread to more people.
Not by esp. By droplets of the infected and more than likely sputum. Practice good hygiene. Just because you are sick doesnt mean you automatically give it to others. Which is obviously what you are alluding to.

What you dont realize is that if 10s of thousands had it, which is extremely possible, if everyone did automatically get it by magic, as you allude, then the whole world has it. Which would mean the death rate is less than a tenth of a percent.

Wash your hands, dont invade personal space, be hygienic, you will not get it.

[ChumpDumper]

Not by esp. By droplets of the infected and more than likely sputum. Practice good hygiene. Just because you are sick doesnt mean you automatically give it to others. Which is obviously what you are alluding to.Nope.


What you dont realize is that if 10s of thousands had it, which is extremely possible, if everyone did automatically get it by magic, as you allude, then the whole world has it. Which would mean the death rate is less than a tenth of a percent.Nope. You're being obtuse. Your whole spiel now is the virus can be completely stopped everywhere by washing hands and maintaining space.


Wash your hands, dont invade personal space, be hygienic, you will not get it.What if you did and you didn't know it?

[tholdren]

Nope.

Nope. You're being obtuse. Your whole spiel now is the virus can be completely stopped everywhere by washing hands and maintaining space.

What if you did and you didn't know it?

Lol thanks for taking the L bwahahahhahah man you are not good at this

[ChumpDumper]

Lol thanks for taking the L bwahahahhahah man you are not good at thisYou didn't answer the question.

[Sugus]

Wash your hands, dont invade personal space, be hygienic, you will not get it.

Is the premise behind this argument that people who do get sick aren't following good hygienic measures? Donovan Mitchell, a known germaphobe and a person who more than likely has better hygienic routines than you, still got the virus, and so have thousands of other people. The fact is that, unless you know you're infected, the measures that you take (whether it's washing your hands more frequently, avoiding touching people, or whatever) will not prevent you from infecting other people. The only way to make sure you're not infecting others is self-quarantine, and most people who haven't been diagnosed aren't doing that - hell, I still have to commute to and from work every day, and even following "good hygiene" I'm still at a very high risk. If pandemic-wide virus diseases were stopped as simply as "wash your hands, don't invade personal space" the virus would've been defeated.

Anyways, it's clear you and Genovasswitness are trolling at this point. There is simply no way someone is that retarded, especially when every day things get worse, more people are dying, your flimsy logical arguments are being proven wrong. What I don't understand is how, being here since '11, there's still people who take your shit-spew seriously. Maybe it speaks more about others than it does yourself.

[tholdren]

Is the premise behind this argument that people who do get sick aren't following good hygienic measures? Donovan Mitchell, a known germaphobe and a person who more than likely has better hygienic routines than you, still got the virus, and so have thousands of other people. The fact is that, unless you know you're infected, the measures that you take (whether it's washing your hands more frequently, avoiding touching people, or whatever) will not prevent you from infecting other people. The only way to make sure you're not infecting others is self-quarantine, and most people who haven't been diagnosed aren't doing that - hell, I still have to commute to and from work every day, and even following "good hygiene" I'm still at a very high risk. If pandemic-wide virus diseases were stopped as simply as "wash your hands, don't invade personal space" the virus would've been defeated.

Anyways, it's clear you and Genovasswitness are trolling at this point. There is simply no way someone is that retarded, especially when every day things get worse, more people are dying, your flimsy logical arguments are being proven wrong. What I don't understand is how, being here since '11, there's still people who take your shit-spew seriously. Maybe it speaks more about others than it does yourself.
Lol. I'm more hygienic. I dont have it.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol. I'm more hygienic. I dont have it.How would you know if you did and were asymptomatic?

[tholdren]

How would you know if you did and were asymptomatic?
Because I took your advice and get tested hourly

[ChumpDumper]

Because I took your advice and get tested hourlyYou haven't been tested. How do you know you don't have it?

[tholdren]

You haven't been tested. How do you know you don't have it?

This is a great point. I could have had it 5 weeks ago. Just because I dont have it, or dont know I have it, shouldn't give me the right to be gross.

I dont touch people. I dont touch regularly touched surfaces without washing hands, I wash hands before I eat, before i enter my house i use hand sanitizer.

If you do these things you will highly reduce your risk of infection. But you're right, you will never know unless you get tested multiple times a day. But that doesnt change how the disease is spread, or humans in general are unhygienic. The average person touches ther face 16 times an hour.... not good hygiene.

[Sugus]

Lol. I'm more hygienic. I dont have it.

Do you see? This statement. It proves you don't understand the topic at hand, the dangers of it, and how easily contracted it is. I'll stop replying to you here - you've proved my point far more effectively than I could've hoped for. I just hope that, as your friends and loved ones are getting infected, that you have the time to reflect on your beliefs. Cheers...

[ChumpDumper]

This is a great point. I could have had it 5 weeks ago. Just because I dont have it, or dont know I have it, shouldn't give me the right to be gross.

I dont touch people. I dont touch regularly touched surfaces without washing hands, I wash hands before I eat, before i enter my house i use hand sanitizer.

If you do these things you will highly reduce your risk of infection. But you're right, you will never know unless you get tested multiple times a day. But that doesnt change how the disease is spread, or humans in general are unhygienic. The average person touches ther face 16 times an hour.... not good hygiene.So you could have it right now.

[tholdren]

Do you see? This statement. It proves you don't understand the topic at hand, the dangers of it, and how easily contracted it is. I'll stop replying to you here - you've proved my point far more effectively than I could've hoped for. I just hope that, as your friends and loved ones are getting infected, that you have the time to reflect on your beliefs. Cheers...

You have it. I knew it

[tholdren]

So you could have it right now.
Yes we all could have it. We all could have had it. Are you going to get tested?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes:tu

[tholdren]

:tu
So if I did have how would I have acquired it?

[BacktoBasics]

Lol. I'm more hygienic. I dont have it.

Prove it. Post your negative test. We all know that there is a massive number of infected people with no symptoms.

So prove it.

[ChumpDumper]

So you could have it right now.


Yes:tu

[tholdren]

Prove it. Post your negative test. We all know that there is a massive number of infected people with no symptoms.

So prove it.

Lol. Please tell me why they isolate people who have the virus.

[tholdren]

:tu
You didn't answer the question....
So if I did have how would I have acquired it?

[weebo]

Not by esp. By droplets of the infected and more than likely sputum. Practice good hygiene. Just because you are sick doesnt mean you automatically give it to others. Which is obviously what you are alluding to.

What you dont realize is that if 10s of thousands had it, which is extremely possible, if everyone did automatically get it by magic, as you allude, then the whole world has it. Which would mean the death rate is less than a tenth of a percent.

Wash your hands, dont invade personal space, be hygienic, you will not get it.

I'm not really sure why you keep pushing this argument. Yes, good hygiene practice is important but it's only one component to the solution. Also, as I've stated before, in a perfect world this might work but we aren't programmed like robots so not everyone will follow through with practicing good hygiene. This virus is able to survive on surfaces, people sneeze and cough...tell me how an infected asymptomatic 4 y/o child is going to follow through on practicing good hygiene?

Medical professionals who follow infection control policy to the letter are still getting infected...how do you expect the average person to fare?

Practicing good hygiene is good advice but its not some magic bullet. It's going to take more than that.

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't answer the question....
So if I did have how would I have acquired it?Beats me, Pigpen.

[BacktoBasics]

Lol. Please tell me why they isolate people who have the virus.

Sure thing Typhoid Holdren

[BacktoBasics]

More reality for some here to deny.


The US' total number of confirmed cases is likely far lower than reality because the country is still ramping up widespread testing. According to the COVID Tracking Project — a testing-tracking resource from two journalists at the Atlantic and the founder of a medical data startup — only 47,000 tests have been run in the US so far. (They note, however, that those figures may be incomplete due to different state policies on reporting negative tests.)

South Korea, by contrast, can test tens of thousands of people per day for COVID-19. As of Monday, the country had tested 274,504 people. That allows them to quarantine infected people more immediately. South Korea's robust testing also likely means its confirmed case count is a more accurate representation of the number of cases in the country than the US'.

[tholdren]

Beats me, Pigpen.
Kind what I figured you would do when presented with trying to argue from both sides. Which you wont, because then it wrecks your whole testing is the key argument. Which it isn't.

You can either admit that hygiene plays a larger role than you have originally said, or we can go down the road of millions have it due to hygiene not being a deal, aka your wanting me to admit anyone could have it now without being tested for proof. This way the mortality rate is that of any other respiratory virus.

So which hill are you standing on? Either way it means you were wrong about the tests. I will wait.

[tholdren]

More reality for some here to deny.
You understand that no one here argues with more tests would be more confirmed cases right? You argued that the more tests the higher the mortality rate... which is statistically impoasible

[BacktoBasics]

You understand that no one here argues with more tests would be more confirmed cases right? You argued that the more tests the higher the mortality rate... which is statistically impoasible
Hey Monkey from outbreak.

I said more deaths. Not higher rate.

[tholdren]

Hey Monkey from outbreak.

I said more deaths. Not higher rate.
Lol more tests cause more deaths? Ok

[BacktoBasics]

Lol more tests cause more deaths? Ok
Lol. You’re the dumbest person I’ve ever encountered in my entire life. More tests will expose more deaths. Not cause them.

No wonder people treat you the way they do on this forum.

[BackHome]

China screwed the pooch waited way to long to announce it and to a high degree tried to cover it up. Still trying how it started in China and then that next place hit hard was Iran which is going to probably have the most deaths of any country. So far Europe is going to have to step up big time if they want to contain it and avoid what Italy is going through

A good sign is that your seeing improvement in China and South Korea which bodes well for the United States in being able to contain it. Seeing lots of movement from multiple fronts in regard to vaccines and treatment so hopefully we can get out in front of the virus. One thing that has to change is totally shut down spring break need to shut down all events which have large number of people in close proximity.

[ElNono]

^^high level intellectual discussion right here tbh

thanks, damn shame you can't be part of it

[ChumpDumper]

Kind what I figured you would do when presented with trying to argue from both sides. Which you wont, because then it wrecks your whole testing is the key argument. Which it isn't.

You can either admit that hygiene plays a larger role than you have originally said, or we can go down the road of millions have it due to hygiene not being a deal, aka your wanting me to admit anyone could have it now without being tested for proof. This way the mortality rate is that of any other respiratory virus.

So which hill are you standing on? Either way it means you were wrong about the tests. I will wait.:lol who are you arguing with? What are you claiming I originally said?

[BackHome]

Kind what I figured you would do when presented with trying to argue from both sides. Which you wont, because then it wrecks your whole testing is the key argument. Which it isn't.

You can either admit that hygiene plays a larger role than you have originally said, or we can go down the road of millions have it due to hygiene not being a deal, aka your wanting me to admit anyone could have it now without being tested for proof. This way the mortality rate is that of any other respiratory virus.

So which hill are you standing on? Either way it means you were wrong about the tests. I will wait.

[Genovaswitness]

thanks, damn shame you can't be part of it

:toast

[BackHome]

Not ever going to be able to stop this virus only hope is to contain it to manageable levels were hospitals can treat at a reasonable rate. If we can slow it down then to me that is a winning situation to many ways to contact and spread this virus not going to stop it. It’s the new version of a Flu which hopefully they will have shots and treatment to keep it at or bellow flu sicknesses and deaths.

[hombre]

You understand that no one here argues with more tests would be more confirmed cases right? You argued that the more tests the higher the mortality rate... which is statistically impoasible

Currently if someone dies of pneumonia, c19 could be the cause of the pneumonia, but we don't test to find out. If we did, the total number of dead and mortality rate from c19 would go by quite a bit.

We don't know because we don't have nearly enough test kits yet because of Captain Golftime and the Vice President who believes that the earth is 6,000 years old.

[Frenchfred]

Just checking to see if those trumptards got the memo that dear leader is now worried and trying to act serious about the pandemic?

Trump is now saying he KNEW all along this was a serious problem - "even before all the experts"

so now the trumpsheeple can begin parroting the new narrative - amirite?

typical trump. He says something on TV, then when confronted, lies and finally says he did a good job and he is the best. Clearly, he mishandled the situation at the beginning with the typical attitude of not trusting scientists and he is no backpedaling trying to say that it is not his fault. He never takes personal responsibility, which I thought was a republican thing.

[Frenchfred]

Kind what I figured you would do when presented with trying to argue from both sides. Which you wont, because then it wrecks your whole testing is the key argument. Which it isn't.

You can either admit that hygiene plays a larger role than you have originally said, or we can go down the road of millions have it due to hygiene not being a deal, aka your wanting me to admit anyone could have it now without being tested for proof. This way the mortality rate is that of any other respiratory virus.

So which hill are you standing on? Either way it means you were wrong about the tests. I will wait.

the growth of contaminated victims is finally starting to slow down in Italy showing that confinement is the way to go to avoid the spread of the virus. Thinking that hygiene alone will suffice is naive, you cannot realistically clean your hand every single time you touch something, you cannot prevent yourself from touching your face at some point.

[lmbebo]

https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696

[Bill_Brasky]

I personally know people who still think it's "no big deal". No doubt that some of these fucking morons are going to kill some of their family members.

[ducks]

Yesterday over 100 died from the common flu
Where is the panic
37,000 died last year from it

[hombre]

Yesterday over 100 died from the common flu
Where is the panic
37,000 died last year from it

Why do you feel the need to downplay the serious threat of Covid-19?

[pad300]

Why do you feel the need to downplay the serious threat of Covid-19?

At a guess, for the same reason that you (and many other commentators) feel that the whole problem is Don Trump's fault, and a democrat would have had a tremendously superior response...

[NASpurs]

Hopefully tholdren is gargling with bleach as we speak and "accidentally" swallows some.

[hombre]

A lot Democrats commenting here are actually trying to help transition our Republican friends to the reality dead in front of us.

Many of you only watch Fox News and they have been misinforming you for months saying it's a Democratic hoax, comparing it to the flu and saying that it will go away in the summer, that their are a million tests, that Covid-19 is contained or the numbers are going down. We all know this.

People then take those unscientific and misinformed views and spread them everywhere furthering the misinformation. It's dangerous and it gets people killed.

Trump is our leader right now, no one else. He fired the Federal Pandemic Response team and never replaced them. His response so far has been weak. He's been spreading the misinformation and confusion and too busy playing golf to protect America. The buck stop there.

[ZeusWillJudge]

All of you haters who tell yourselves that you have a special handle on the truth. :lol Even Politifact says that one of the big stories being pushed by media and Biden was bullshit:

...fact-checking website PolitiFact called out Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden with a "mostly false" rating over a recent claim that the United States "refused" to accept coronavirus testing kits offered by the World Health Organization.

Biden made the claim during Sunday night's Democratic presidential primary debate against Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in response to a question about President Donald Trump's handling of the current coronavirus outbreak. "President Trump says he does not take any responsibility for the problems with coronavirus testing, in part because he says he inherited so many rules, regulations, and red tape," debate moderator Jake Tapper said to the former vice president, according to a Rev transcript. "Did bureaucratic red tape hamper this response in any way?" The group is WHO's arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and many others. "No; look, the World Health Organization offered, offered the testing kits that they have available and to give it to us now," Biden responded.
The group (WHO) said it focused most of its efforts on "countries with the weakest health systems." "No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States," said WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris. "This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity." The post goes on to explain that Biden's comments leave out context about how different countries chose which kind of test to use, based on multiple different models. Even if the United States had adopted the same testing model of the World Health Organization preferred — which it didn't — the country wouldn't have needed the WHO to send supplies.

While the U.S. didn't try to employ the WHO test model, "Biden's emphasis on WHO offering kits is simply wrong," PolitiFact concludes. "We rate this claim mostly false."

[Frenchfred]

Why do you feel the need to downplay the serious threat of Covid-19?

Because like Trump at the beginning, he listens to stupid people who have no scientific or medical experience and repeats like a parrot to fit his narrative, i.e., the narrative of the right. We can see the danger in this "follow the leader blindly" mentality as millions could die if we listen to them. Fortunately, some people, republicans and democrats, are smart enough and act without listening to stupid people like them.

Those are the same people who don't believe in global warming and centuries ago would kill people who would dare to call the earth round.

[Frenchfred]

All of you haters who tell yourselves that you have a special handle on the truth. :lol Even Politifact says that one of the big stories being pushed by media and Biden was bullshit:

...fact-checking website PolitiFact called out Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden with a "mostly false" rating over a recent claim that the United States "refused" to accept coronavirus testing kits offered by the World Health Organization.

Biden made the claim during Sunday night's Democratic presidential primary debate against Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in response to a question about President Donald Trump's handling of the current coronavirus outbreak. "President Trump says he does not take any responsibility for the problems with coronavirus testing, in part because he says he inherited so many rules, regulations, and red tape," debate moderator Jake Tapper said to the former vice president, according to a Rev transcript. "Did bureaucratic red tape hamper this response in any way?" The group is WHO's arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and many others. "No; look, the World Health Organization offered, offered the testing kits that they have available and to give it to us now," Biden responded.
The group (WHO) said it focused most of its efforts on "countries with the weakest health systems." "No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States," said WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris. "This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity." The post goes on to explain that Biden's comments leave out context about how different countries chose which kind of test to use, based on multiple different models. Even if the United States had adopted the same testing model of the World Health Organization preferred — which it didn't — the country wouldn't have needed the WHO to send supplies.

While the U.S. didn't try to employ the WHO test model, "Biden's emphasis on WHO offering kits is simply wrong," PolitiFact concludes. "We rate this claim mostly false."

Who said that we have a special handle on the truth? Nobody said that democrats don't lie either. It is just that Trump only tell the truth 14% of the time. He lies WAY MORE than the democrats, you cannot deny that. After you can choose to prefer him over democrats for whatever reasons but don't pretend that he doesn't lie way more than others.

[tholdren]

Lol. You’re the dumbest person I’ve ever encountered in my entire life. More tests will expose more deaths. Not cause them.

No wonder people treat you the way they do on this forum.
Lol govt just said.Vast majority DO NOT NEED TESTED...

lol pwned

[BackHome]

Zeus please don’t talk facts with him you will only confuse him.

[tholdren]

Lol govt just said.Vast majority DO NOT NEED TESTED...

lol pwned

Only high risk people should be tested. More testing doesnt matter. Testing doesnt matter anyway because it isn't accurate or would not change response of doctor or good citizen.... sad when the cdc agrees with the trolls.

[Frenchfred]

Only high risk people should be tested. More testing doesnt matter. Testing doesnt matter anyway because it isn't accurate or would not change response of doctor or good citizen.... sad when the cdc agrees with the trolls.

Weirdly, this is not how the spread has been contained in South Korea after the initial outbreak. Large testing has allowed the detection of people without symptom who could carry the virus and contaminate the rest of the population and to isolate them. Children for example don't show any symptoms but are carriers and can contaminate their parents and other adults around them who could then die if they have poor health, just because you don't show any signs doesn't mean that you don't have the virus and couldn't put other people in danger.

[tholdren]

Weirdly, this is not how the spread has been contained in South Korea after the initial outbreak. Large testing has allowed the detection of people without symptom who could carry the virus and contaminate the rest of the population and to isolate them. Children for example don't show any symptoms but are carriers and can contaminate their parents and other adults around them who could then die if they have poor health, just because you don't show any signs doesn't mean that you don't have the virus and couldn't put other people in danger.
Yes you are right. But what they are saying is that testing doesnt matter. Practice good hygiene if you dont show symptoms. If you are showing symptoms stay home like a normal hygienic person

Further. If you are in the 85 percent it wont matter if you get tested. You will not need medical attention therefore it does not matter if you get tested...

Yes at risk are always at risk. But they also may or may not have already had it. Stay separated use good hygiene. A test shouldn't make you need to use good hygiene

[BacktoBasics]

Lol govt just said.Vast majority DO NOT NEED TESTED...

lol pwned
Lol the government said so. The same government that can’t get testing out to begin with. The same government you criticized for shutting down businesses. But now when it fits your delusion they’re the almighty authority.

I already posted some bullet points from a study that clearly states that testing and tracking is paramount.

The government hahaha. You’re hilarious.

How much to get your name changed to Typhoid Holdren.

[tholdren]

What are you talking about that's the whole scare. Testing. Additionally, I'm not the only one who knows people have it of have had it and dont get tested. That is a fact.
Well chumpdump flames out again... lol health professionals not on your side after this starts to shake out. Lol this always happens to you...

[tholdren]

Lol the government said so. The same government that can’t get testing out to begin with. The same government you criticized for shutting down businesses. But now when it fits you’re delusion they’re the almighty authority.

I already posted some bullet points from a study that clearly states that testing and tracking is paramount.

The government hahaha. You’re hilarious.

How much to get your name changed to Typhoid Holdren.

Health departments running the sho now dolt