Snowpocolypse: rolling blackouts instituted

[Winehole23]

Water issues in Austin


AUSTIN—Austin Water is asking customers in southwest Austin and Lost Creek neighborhood to boil their water prior to using it for drinking or cooking, until further notice. The boil water notice is required because water pressure in portions of the water distribution system dropped below minimum standards. Maps of the affected areas are available and will be updated at this link (https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faustintexas.us5.list-manage.com%2Ftrack%2Fclick%3Fu%3D1861810ce1dca1a4c 1673747c%26id%3D3ac1dabb62%26e%3D8c1668d1b8&data=04%7C01%7CErik.Luna%40austintexas.gov%7Cefc3b b562bde403431fb08d8d366f23a%7C5c5e19f6a6ab4b45b1d0 be4608a9a67f%7C0%7C0%7C637491786391431597%7CUnknow n%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMz IiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ci0ynlGEnxWgz8RYuP1i%2BaVi5m8g0OdfPL%2FNLxso r%2FE%3D&reserved=0).
“This boil water notice is currently in specific areas and is a precautionary measure to ensure the health and safety of our customers. Austin Water has not detected contaminants in the water we are providing.” said Greg Meszaros, Austin Water Director.

Austin Water’s treatment plants are functioning normally. Even so, water use has far exceeded typical water usage and exceeded water production by 250 percent over the past 24 hours. Water pressure and water storage have significantly dropped throughout Austin Water’s service area in the past day.

The combination of burst pipes at homes or businesses, Austin Water system water main breaks, and increased customer demand from dripping faucets or storing extra water are creating extraordinary high-water demand.

To avoid additional impacts to water service, such as a citywide boil water notice, impacts to fire protection, or widespread lack of water service, Austin Water is immediately requiring mandatory conservation measures:


Limit water use to essential needs;
Now that temperatures are rising, turn off dripping faucets indoors and outdoors;
Delay the use of appliances such as washing machines and dishwashers;
Report water main breaks to Austin Water at 512-972-1000 (tel:512-972-1000);
If pipes at your home or business have burst, stop water waste by turning off your water at the property-owners cut-off valve. If you are unable to locate your property-owners cut-off valve or if it won’t work, then call Austin Water at 512-972-1000 (tel:512-972-1000) for assistance with turning off your water.

“We understand that customers are facing many challenges, and we thank you in advance for your conservation efforts to help us get through this unprecedented weather event,” said Meszaros.

Austin Water will provide regular updates at austinwater.org (https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faustintexas.us5.list-manage.com%2Ftrack%2Fclick%3Fu%3D1861810ce1dca1a4c 1673747c%26id%3D07863757f7%26e%3D8c1668d1b8&data=04%7C01%7CErik.Luna%40austintexas.gov%7Cefc3b b562bde403431fb08d8d366f23a%7C5c5e19f6a6ab4b45b1d0 be4608a9a67f%7C0%7C0%7C637491786391431597%7CUnknow n%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMz IiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=EWwh%2FL4ogMBwkq%2FyflHbxpC1wNR0WeYi1CJbZbJM wtM%3D&reserved=0).

Additional information and Frequently Asked Questions about a Boil Water Notice are available at austintexas.gov/BoilH2o (https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faustintexas.us5.list-manage.com%2Ftrack%2Fclick%3Fu%3D1861810ce1dca1a4c 1673747c%26id%3Dad9c66c822%26e%3D8c1668d1b8&data=04%7C01%7CErik.Luna%40austintexas.gov%7Cefc3b b562bde403431fb08d8d366f23a%7C5c5e19f6a6ab4b45b1d0 be4608a9a67f%7C0%7C0%7C637491786391441545%7CUnknow n%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMz IiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Roc%2BDClSVbpXMpimSaU7pxyeQKilzBL3%2FGhDggfm wpk%3D&reserved=0).


http://www.austintexas.gov/news/austin-water-issues-boil-water-notice-some-customers

[DMC]

You ain’t the state of Texas all by yourself.

Neither is the faggot in your tweet.

[DMC]

I'd also like to know how you use 1000kwh in 2 weeks in a "small house" when there have been blackouts for the past 3 days of those two weeks. I have 2800sqft, use a little more than half that in a month.

[Winehole23]

Neither is the faggot in your tweet.sorry, which tweet are you talking about? did the Rick Perry tweet rustle your jimmies?

[spurraider21]

iF iT dIdN’t HaPpEn To mE, tHeN iT dIdN’t HaPpEn aT aLL!
zip code 2.0

[spurraider21]

Neither is the faggot in your tweet.
claim: people are getting murdered

you: huh, i've never been murdered

winehole: that guy did

you: well they're both anecdotes

[DMC]

Completely unrelated fagging

[Winehole23]

Shit is gettin more fucked up in DFW

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[DMC]

No power? Boil your water! :lol

[Winehole23]

Texas thanks the citizens of Southlake for cheerfully doing their part to keep Texas off other electrical grids.

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[monosylab1k]

claim: people are getting murdered

you: huh, i've never been murdered

winehole: that guy did

you: well they're both anecdotes

:lmao

[Winehole23]

Houston too.

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[Winehole23]

Filling up the bathtub now in case we need it to flush the toilet.

Augmenting water stash, I do not have confidence service will be restored promptly if it gets cut off.

[BD24]

I’ve been fortunate enough to have power this whole time. Have had water issues though.

What a clusterfuck this has all been though.

[Winehole23]

CPS, tight lipped about the water situation so far. Anecdotally, low pressure and outages have been reported on social media.


https://cpsenergy.com/en.html

[Winehole23]

No power? Boil your water! :lolJeering at cascading, life-threatening public utility failures is so you.

[Winehole23]

Maybe. Hasn't come back on yet though.Been lucky here so far, power is still on. Noticeable decrease in water pressure, though.

[vy65]

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There's a big fucking problem with a system using increased pricing due to increased demand as a deterrent to higher use. The reason why there's increased demand is due to exceptional hot or cold. Telling people to fuck off in this conditions is emblematic of a system that refuses to meet people's needs.

[DMC]

Jeering at cascading, life-threatening public utility failures is so you.

How you going to boil water without power? If you have a modern gas range, electric shutoff valves mean no gas. You can use a gas fireplace if you have one, or maybe go out and fire up the grill. You cannot microwave.

Pretty silly stuff, but you just want an opportunity to piss and moan and clutch your pearls.

[DMC]

There's a big fucking problem with a system using increased pricing due to increased demand as a deterrent to higher use. The reason why there's increased demand is due to exceptional hot or cold. Telling people to fuck off in this conditions is emblematic of a system that refuses to meet people's needs.

When you see so many tweets about people's pools freezing because of power loss, it makes it hard to have any sympathy for the higher rates. Then you have entire strip malls lit up like Christmas... while the neighborhood next door is dark as fuck.

[vy65]

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I don't understand how this isn't price gouging in a disaster/emergency. Not only is this actionable, I think it's illegal.

[vy65]

When you see so many tweets about people's pools freezing because of power loss, it makes it hard to have any sympathy for the higher rates. Then you have entire strip malls lit up like Christmas... while the neighborhood next door is dark as fuck.

I haven't seen nor do I care about tweets about people's pools freezing. Like I said, a system that penalizes people for using energy when it's most needed is a broken system.

[DMC]

Griddy's current kwh rate is 9.00

Maxed out

[Winehole23]

Pretty silly stuff, but you just want an opportunity to piss and moan and clutch your pearls.Statewide, cascading public utility failures during a hard freeze is something worth pissing and moaning over, tbh.

If it isn’t, what would be?

[Winehole23]

Some power coming back in Austin

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[Blake]

At least u getting the real life experience of living in 70s communist Siberia :lol

Thanks Texas government and affiliated agencies :tu

[ChumpDumper]

I may have been near the start of that rotation. 4 hours of power out of 60 and looks like all my pipes are sound.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm out of half & half for my coffee and have to use vanilla ice cream now. Somebody needs to pay for this disaster.

[Blake]

How you going to boil water without power? If you have a modern gas range, electric shutoff valves mean no gas. You can use a gas fireplace if you have one, or maybe go out and fire up the grill. You cannot microwave.

Pretty silly stuff, but you just want an opportunity to piss and moan and clutch your pearls.

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[Blake]

I'm out of half & half for my coffee and have to use vanilla ice cream now. Somebody needs to pay for this disaster.

What an ass

[pgardn]

I'm out of half & half for my coffee and have to use vanilla ice cream now. Somebody needs to pay for this disaster.

That frozen bum under the interstate will.

[Winehole23]

What an assthat’s his specialty, wHeRe’S yOuR sEnSe oF HuMoR?

[mrsmaalox]

I lost power last night. I'm now standing in line outside heb hoping they have some groceries. They're letting in like five at a time

Did you get in? Do they have anything?

I don’t store a lot of food here (empty nester, I have time to shop daily if needed for what I want to cook that day) so even planning ahead I only had stuff for 3 fresh cooked meals. So that and the leftovers are gone, and I’m tired of odds and ends out of the freezer so I sent my old dude out yesterday to search for something. He made it to a Target a few minutes before closing and it was wiped out! I couldn’t believe the videos he was sending. He didn’t find anything for a meal but he snagged us a 12 pack of Dale’s Pale Ale and 4 assorted pints of HaagenDazs :tu

So we were feeling pretty lucky lol. But seriously not as lucky as I feel after reading this thread, I’m really sorry for the hardship so many have endured so far; we’ve had zero power/water issues here, the subdivision next to us has been dark for over 48hrs, it’s crazy.

[SnakeBoy]

What an ass

Next time I'll prepare better

[DMC]

I'm out of half & half for my coffee and have to use vanilla ice cream now. Somebody needs to pay for this disaster.

Where is your sympathy for others? For example I don't even have any Bailey's left.

[DMC]

Next time I'll prepare better

The idiot is standing in line outside of HEB on a freezing fucking day 3 days after the storm hit because he has no food in the winter time. I don't think you have to do the math on that one.

[DMC]

Statewide, cascading public utility failures during a hard freeze is something worth pissing and moaning over, tbh.

If it isn’t, what would be?

You always seem to find things worth pissing and moaning over. Then you use the excuse that it's worth pissing and moaning over.

[SnakeBoy]

Where is your sympathy for others? For example I don't even have any Bailey's left.

Bailey's!

My wife keeps plenty in stock. Thanks for the idea!

[Blake]

The idiot is standing in line outside of HEB on a freezing fucking day 3 days after the storm hit because he has no food in the winter time. I don't think you have to do the math on that one.

Hey dip shit there was no advance warning that I needed to prep for the President's Day blow out or I would have gotten the extra bread milk and eggs.

[SnakeBoy]

The idiot is standing in line outside of HEB on a freezing fucking day 3 days after the storm hit because he has no food in the winter time. I don't think you have to do the math on that one.

I went to the valero near me to get half & half and it was cleaned out of most everything except Munchos. So I drove over to HEB in Bulverde and there were probably 200 hungry people waiting in line in the parking lot. Weird people don't keep a few days supplies for emergencies.

[Blake]

Did you get in? Do they have anything?

I don’t store a lot of food here (empty nester, I have time to shop daily if needed for what I want to cook that day) so even planning ahead I only had stuff for 3 fresh cooked meals. So that and the leftovers are gone, and I’m tired of odds and ends out of the freezer so I sent my old dude out yesterday to search for something. He made it to a Target a few minutes before closing and it was wiped out! I couldn’t believe the videos he was sending. He didn’t find anything for a meal but he snagged us a 12 pack of Dale’s Pale Ale and 4 assorted pints of HaagenDazs :tu

So we were feeling pretty lucky lol. But seriously not as lucky as I feel after reading this thread, I’m really sorry for the hardship so many have endured so far; we’ve had zero power/water issues here, the subdivision next to us has been dark for over 48hrs, it’s crazy.

I gave up and went to the dollar general down the street. Got in relatively quick there. No milk, eggs or anything cold since they lost power and they don't have backup generators like heb does. I did get a few bags of pasta, canned goods and soda. We're good through the weekend but I feel really bad for a whole lot of people just after talking to a few in line at heb that had next to nothing.

[SnakeBoy]

Hey dip shit there was no advance warning that I needed to prep for the President's Day blow out or I would have gotten the extra bread milk and eggs.

You had a week's warning dip shit

[Blake]

Oh and it was cash only, which somehow I had enough of

[Adam Lambert]

How many Texans own a snow plow attachment for their trucks? Not many, but up North a lot of citizens have the equivalent of cold weather packages on their vehicles. They have block warmers, heaters that don't rely on engine temp to produce heat, high idle adjustments, power converters in their vehicles, snow plow packages, etc... They have snow shovels in their garages. They have basements to keep their water pipes from freezing and they can actually get to the pipes to insulate them and/or heat their basement with fuel oil. Many have emergency power in the form of generators. Homes are build and insulated for those conditions. People prepare for the environment they live in, not the once in a lifetime anomaly that could possibly occur. I don't own a snow plow or a snow shovel. Hell, I don't own an ice scraper. Every car I rent north of the frost line has an ice scraper inside. Try getting that in Florida.

So if Texas would winter proof all their buildings, residences, power plants and solar/wind systems, they'd be prepared for these once in a lifetime events. Notably I also don't have a bomb shelter.


The idiot is standing in line outside of HEB on a freezing fucking day 3 days after the storm hit because he has no food in the winter time. I don't think you have to do the math on that one.

DMC holds Blake to higher standards of preparation than the Texas energy grid.

[Blake]

You had a week's warning dip shit

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Go fuck yourself, asshat

[Trainwreck2100]

I went to the valero near me to get half & half and it was cleaned out of most everything except Munchos. So I drove over to HEB in Bulverde and there were probably 200 hungry people waiting in line in the parking lot. Weird people don't keep a few days supplies for emergencies.

The problem is that emergency food is made with electricity. And/or stored in refrigerators that were out long enough to be made worthless. I got 7 days worth of packaged meat and canned goods thanks to covid but about $150 worth of trash in my refrigerator that i won't dare touch because getting sick with food poisoning right now would be a disaster. We expected to be snowed in we didnt expect to be Liberia

[hater]

Damn nigas. I MIGHT GO for another toilet paper run and Im not even in your state :lol

[Adam Lambert]

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[Trainwreck2100]

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Thats just so stupid

[vy65]

I'm out of half & half for my coffee and have to use vanilla ice cream now. Somebody needs to pay for this disaster.

You're seriously a huge piece of shit

[Winehole23]

May explain how it only took a little over an hour for ERCOT to go from a level 1 warning to level 3 on Monday morning.

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[TeyshaBlue]

I don't understand how this isn't price gouging in a disaster/emergency. Not only is this actionable, I think it's illegal.


Vy65...Price gouging doesn't seem to be the case here. Griddy doesn't set the pricing. They only sell access to wholesale spot market pricing. The model works okay until spikes happen. Then customers take a breathing without the rate smoothing of contracted pricing.

[RD2191]

Next time I'll prepare better


The idiot is standing in line outside of HEB on a freezing fucking day 3 days after the storm hit because he has no food in the winter time. I don't think you have to do the math on that one.
You faggots fucking each other to keep each other warm?

[SnakeBoy]

The problem is that emergency food is made with electricity. And/or stored in refrigerators that were out long enough to be made worthless. I got 7 days worth of packaged meat and canned goods thanks to covid but about $150 worth of trash in my refrigerator that i won't dare touch because getting sick with food poisoning right now would be a disaster. We expected to be snowed in we didnt expect to be Liberia

He's scouring the city for dry pasta and canned goods. That's just bad planning.

[TeyshaBlue]

Well, we have water. I just spent the morning in the freezing attic of one of my rentals replacing a burst hot water supply line. Got a wall leak in another one. Bleh.

[baseline bum]

The idiot is standing in line outside of HEB on a freezing fucking day 3 days after the storm hit because he has no food in the winter time. I don't think you have to do the math on that one.

Why, you think it's any warmer inside their houses?

[DarrinS]

My garage refrigerator running very efficiently

[RD2191]

tbh i can't believe my light hasn't gone out. My 70 year old aunt has been without power or water going on almost 3 days now.

[ChumpDumper]

I gave up and went to the dollar general down the street. Got in relatively quick there. No milk, eggs or anything cold since they lost power and they don't have backup generators like heb does. I did get a few bags of pasta, canned goods and soda. We're good through the weekend but I feel really bad for a whole lot of people just after talking to a few in line at heb that had next to nothing.DG was a godsend during shutdown times. In and out for basics+ beats anything else IMO.

I've been stocked with all kinds of shit since last year's hoarding so I'm just staying in and monitoring the house and staying in touch with neighbors until probably Friday.

[ChumpDumper]

You faggots fucking each other to keep each other warm?
:lmao

[baseline bum]

The problem is that emergency food is made with electricity. And/or stored in refrigerators that were out long enough to be made worthless. I got 7 days worth of packaged meat and canned goods thanks to covid but about $150 worth of trash in my refrigerator that i won't dare touch because getting sick with food poisoning right now would be a disaster. We expected to be snowed in we didnt expect to be Liberia

I dunno though, Liberia should have been the expectation after seeing how the GOP handled COVID.

[baseline bum]

tbh i can't believe my light hasn't gone out. My 70 year old aunt has been without power or water going on almost 3 days now.

Bend over, I'll turn your light out.

[RD2191]

Bend over, I'll turn your light out.
:lol

[vy65]

I don't understand how this isn't price gouging in a disaster/emergency. Not only is this actionable, I think it's illegal.


Vy65...Price gouging doesn't seem to be the case here. Griddy doesn't set the pricing. They only sell access to wholesale spot market pricing. The model works okay until spikes happen. Then customers take a breathing without the rate smoothing of contracted pricing.

Regardless of who sets the price (I readily admit to not knowing the interplay between electric companies, the Texas PUC, and ERCOT), the point here is that a 10,000% spike in price when there is a surge in demand is, functionally, price gouging. We have a series of laws to prevent a seller--which is what ERCOT, the PUC, and electric companies together are--from spiking prices due to spikes in demand. I don't see, in what you've said, a distinction in this situation.

[Mark Celibate]

Damn, never lost power/water for a second this whole time. Yet others in my zip code have been without both for days...I guess living next to a private airport bailed me out. Gotta keep the lights on so that Soros can fly in and out to Bohemian Grove at a moment's notice tbh

[TeyshaBlue]

Regardless of who sets the price (I readily admit to not knowing the interplay between electric companies, the Texas PUC, and ERCOT), the point here is that a 10,000% spike in price when there is a surge in demand is, functionally, price gouging. We have a series of laws to prevent a seller--which is what ERCOT, the PUC, and electric companies together are--from spiking prices due to spikes in demand. I don't see, in what you've said, a distinction in this situation.

I guess the differencial to me is a supply/market reaction vs a deliberate, targeted price increase specifically preying upon a mishap/disaster. That being said, Im not exactly up to speed on wholesale pricing schemes.

[SnakeBoy]

Just boil for 1 minute to kill bacteria. Then let cool. I also have filters for my water afterwards.

Or put Clorox in it

[monosylab1k]

I'm out of half & half for my coffee and have to use vanilla ice cream now. Somebody needs to pay for this disaster.

One day ComfortablySmug will notice you, I promise.

[Winehole23]

Is this a violation of the interstate commerce clause, or no? :wow

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[SnakeBoy]

One day ComfortablySmug will notice you, I promise.

I'll have a few days worth of food & water on hand when it does.

[vy65]

Is this a violation of the interstate commerce clause, or no? :wow

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Seems like a likely dormant commerce clause/possible federal preemption issue (see below). There may be an interesting interplay with state police power in an emergency. And as a practical matter, it's hard to see anyone doing anything about this while we're all freezing our collective balls off.


The Dormant Commerce Clause involves not federal power to act but the restrictions on state power that are inherent in the Commerce Clause. There is no actual “Dormant Commerce Clause” found in the Constitution. Rather, the restrictions on state action have been inferred by the Supreme Court from the Commerce Clause.

You will recall that in Gibbons v. Ogden, 9 Wheat. 1 (1824), the issue involved a state-granted monopoly that conflicted with a federal licensing law for the operation of steamboats. Ogden’s New York monopoly, according to the Court would render the federal law impotent in New York, and therefore the Supremacy Clause required the Court to enforce the federal law.

EXAMPLE: In order to encourage a free market, federal law requires all trucking companies to charge a single per-pound weight for all non-hazardous freight, regardless of the nature of the freight carried. The state of Verhampshire, in an effort to bolster its dairy economy, establishes a lower state-enforced price for the transport of locally produced dairy products. The Verhampshire law is preempted by the federal legislation, and will likely be struck down.

When enacting legislation, Congress has the ability to expressly preempt any competing state laws. Even absent such a statement of exclusivity, if a state law conflicts with federal law or impedes the achievement of a federal objective, such as in the trucking example above, or if Congress evidences a clear intent to preempt state law, the theory of implied preemption applies and the federal law will rule rather than the state law.

There is also the concept of field preemption. Field preemption stands for the proposition that Congress has so heavily regulated an area of law such that it is implicit that Congress has chosen to preempt state law on the subject matter.

Preemption applies, however, only when there is a federal law that is on point. When there is no existing federal law, the Dormant Commerce Clause applies to tell us what states may or may not do.

The “Dormant” Commerce Clause ultimately means that because Congress has been given power over interstate commerce, states cannot discriminate against interstate commerce nor can they unduly burden interstate commerce, even in the absence of federal legislation regulating the activity.

Any state law which affects interstate commerce:

Must not discriminate against out-of-state actors or out-of-state competition, or have the effect of favoring in-state economic actors.

If the law is discriminatory, then the state must show it has no other (reasonable) means of advancing a legitimate local (important, non-economic state interest, such as health of safety) purpose.
Must not be unduly burdensome.

If the law only incidentally burdens interstate commerce, or if the law is nondiscriminatory, the court will balance whether the benefits of the state’s interest are outweighed by the burden on state commerce, by looking to the following: Are there less restrictive alternatives? Are there any conflicts with other states’ regulations?

In determining whether the burden is outweighed by the benefits, a court must examine whether the state objective could be achieved by a means less restrictive on interstate commerce. Furthermore, it is important to note that promoting the economic interest of its own citizens at the expense of out-of-state citizens is not a legitimate state objective.

EXAMPLE: The Oregon state highway system is falling into disrepair despite constant road maintenance efforts. An exhaustive study of road usage determines that the excessive road wear is largely due to large trucks which pass through the state from an origination point in one state to a destination in another state. The state considered establishing a toll system, but could not find a way to do so without also tolling its own citizens. The state legislature therefore decides to pass a law banning any commercial vehicles from passing through the state by using state highways unless cargo is to be delivered or picked up within the state.

What effect would the Commerce Clause have on the proposed Oregon statute? (The Commerce Clause applies, and not preemption, because there is no federal law here.) First we must ask whether the maintenance of state roads is a legitimate state end, which we can surely answer in the affirmative. Then we ask whether the law prohibiting through-traffic is rationally related to that end, and the “exhaustive study” reassures us there. This satisfies the first portion of the two-part test. More problematic is part 2: Is the burden on interstate commerce outweighed by the state’s interest? The burden seems quite heavy here, so the benefits would have to be extraordinary in order to win out. Part of this balancing involves asking whether there is no less restrictive means to achieve the goal. (Perhaps by placing weight limits on trucks or restricting them to certain lanes?) Finally, is this merely a way of hiding a form of discrimination against out-of-staters, as most in-state truckers will have either pick-ups or deliveries inside the state? If it is discriminatory against interstate commerce, simply passing the two-part test will not be enough to save the law (this is discussed in more detail below).

In Lopez, Kennedy pointed out that

“One element of our dormant Commerce Clause jurisprudence has been the principle that the States may not impose regulations that place an undue burden on interstate commerce, even where those regulations do not discriminate between in-state and out-of-state businesses” -Lopez at 579.
In the hypothetical Oregon example above, there may be hidden discrimination, but even absent such discrimination the statute may be unduly burdensome on interstate commerce. Consider another example:

The Colorado state legislature in an effort to appease the increasingly environmentally-concerned citizens of its state passes a law requiring that all commercial trucks traveling on public roads in Colorado run on electricity rather than diesel fuel or gasoline. An Arizona trucking company violates the statute and is fined $10,000. The company could bring the case to federal court claiming the Colorado statute violates the Dormant Commerce Clause because the activity regulated by the state of Colorado has some commercial connection with another state (Arizona), and the burden on interstate commerce is severe.

The Colorado statute certainly does not discriminate against out-of-state truckers, but the Commerce Clause still prohibits the state interference with interstate commerce. The state’s environmental goal is certainly a valid state concern, and the regulation is obviously related to that end. The difficult part of the analysis involves balancing the benefits to the state as compared to the burden on interstate commerce. There may be no less restrictive means of meeting the state’s environmental goals, as even restricting the number of miles driven by diesel-fueled vehicles would not have the same environmentally friendly result as eliminating all such vehicles. Still, checking for less-restrictive means of accomplishing the state goal is only part of the burden-balancing analysis. The Supreme Court has held that “Where the statute regulates even-handedly to effectuate a legitimate local public interest, and its effects on interstate commerce are only incidental, it will be upheld unless the burden imposed on such commerce is clearly excessive in relation to the putative local benefits.” Pike v. Bruce Church, Inc, 397 U.S. 137, 143 (1970), citing Huron Cement Co. v. Detroit, 362 U.S. 440, 443 (1960).


EXAMPLE: Bubba-Gump Shrimp is in the shrimp business. The company catches shrimp in Louisiana and ships what they catch to a canning facility in Biloxi, Mississippi, home to about 25% of the U.S. shrimp canning industry. Louisiana state law prohibits exporting shrimp from the state unless the heads and shells have been removed. Louisiana law also prohibits shipping such unshelled shrimp to any point in Louisiana. The unstated, but apparent, purpose of the law “is to favor the canning of the meat and the manufacture of [shrimp products] in Louisiana.” Foster-Fountain Packing Co. v. Haydel, 278 U.S. 1, 13 (1928). Although the local interest here is entirely legitimate, the Court will not uphold a state law which forces a company to conduct certain business operations within the state when those operations can be more efficiently carried out elsewhere.

So state laws that burden interstate commerce are permissible if they pass the two-part test. There are three exceptions which, when applicable, will permit a court to find a state law is constitutional despite being discriminatory against interstate commerce.

First, if the state law is necessary to achieve an important state goal, the law might not run afoul of the negative implications of the Commerce Clause. In order to be necessary, there must be no other means of achieving the goal. So while a non-discriminatory law only needs to be rationally related to a legitimate state goal, a law which discriminates against interstate commerce must be necessary to achieve an important state goal in order to be upheld.

Second, if Congress authorized the states to pass legislation in a certain area despite the effect on interstate commerce, so long as the law does not violate other constitutional provisions, it will be upheld.

Finally, the “Market Participant” exception allows states to discriminate against out-of-staters insofar as the state itself is acting as a market participant. For example, when a state is engaging in the buying or selling of goods it may choose to buy from local companies at a higher price than it would pay outside the state, or sell to local companies at a lower price than it would otherwise receive. But in the absence of one of these three exceptions, laws discriminating against out-of-staters will be struck down as violating the Commerce Clause.

EXAMPLE (1): Massahampshire refuses to give Sticky Syrup Co, a company based in a neighboring state, a license to open a new maple syrup farm in Massahampshire. Sticky Syrup already operates 7 such farms in the state. Massahampshire’s refusal to issue the license is based on the fear that Sticky Syrup will divert even more of sweet local commodity out-of-state and take away business from small, local farmers. The refusal to issue the license would likely be ruled a Commerce Clause violation, because Massahampshire’s only interest is an economic one, which is insufficient to warrant discrimination against other states. See H.P. Hood & Sons v. DuMond, 336 U.S. 525 (1949).

EXAMPLE (2): There’s a new Mayor in town and his name is Reggie Hammond. He aims to clean up New York, starting with the many thousands of abandoned home appliances filling empty lots and cluttering curbs. In order to achieve this goal, the city offers to purchase used appliances for a certain price-per-pound. The price offered is substantially above the average market price paid per-pound. The only catch is that the offer is available only to New York residents and New York companies for 48 hours. Because New York would be acting as a market participant, there is no Commerce Clause violation here. See Hughes v. Alexandria Scrap Corp, 426 U.S. 794 (1976).

[TeyshaBlue]

Is this a violation of the interstate commerce clause, or no? :wow

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I think it's only thru next monday.

[DarrinS]

Just one more day of this crap.

[Winehole23]

I think it's only thru next monday.Probably not enough time to get it in front of a judge.

[Winehole23]

Seems like a likely dormant commerce clause/possible federal preemption issue (see below). There may be an interesting interplay with state police power in an emergency. And as a practical matter, it's hard to see anyone doing anything about this while we're all freezing our collective balls off.Thanks for your detailed reply. :tu

[Blake]

He's scouring the city for dry pasta and canned goods. That's just bad planning.

I'm looking for milk eggs water and bread, snakeass.

[SnakeBoy]

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151963955_10226271357149640_6405320320296488926_n. jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=BoUa0GAUtPYAX_l9gYN&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=4e4b714e9cbe29ad23546721a36aeda1&oe=60526AF0

Mayor Boyd has resigned :lol

[boutons_deux]

CPS Energy CEO says power outages to continue until Saturday and for some people even further

but if you are business with an electric sign you can run it all night full blast while residences sit in the cold and dark

[ChumpDumper]

lol Mayor Tim got tired of his phone blowing up during an emergency

[DarrinS]

I'm looking for milk eggs water and bread, snakeass.

French toast?

[DarrinS]

CPS Energy CEO says power outages to continue until Saturday and for some people even further

but if you are business with an electric sign you can run it all night full blast while residences sit in the cold and dark


Should I feel bad for running my pool pump overnight?

[ChumpDumper]

Should I feel bad for running my pool pump overnight?You shouldn't because you're just the kind of person who would do this and brag about it on a message board.

[Bogie]

I'll have a few days worth of food & water on hand when it does.


does your wife do all the shopping for you too? Or does she just pay for everything, and you run like errand boy you are.


Vy65 summed you up to a tee

[monosylab1k]

French toast?


Should I feel bad for running my pool pump overnight?

:lmao this is the same cunt who got all sanctimonious about people cheering Rush Limbaugh’s death.

[Bogie]

Should I feel bad for running my pool pump overnight?


you should feel bad for stealing oxygen from decent people.


but this is exactly why your wife and kids have never actually done an intervention. They want you to die. Keep drinking and expedite that for them so they can finally live happy lives

[SnakeBoy]

I'm looking for milk eggs water and bread, snakeass.

Welcome to Biden's Texas

[DarrinS]

you should feel bad for stealing oxygen from decent people.


but this is exactly why your wife and kids have never actually done an intervention. They want you to die. Keep drinking and expedite that for them so they can finally live happy lives

Deep thoughts

[DarrinS]

Welcome to Biden's Texas


Has he even mentioned what's going on down here?

[ChumpDumper]

gUyZ RemeBer i HaZ PoOl

[monosylab1k]

Has he even mentioned what's going on down here?

He did this without ragetweeting all day and making it all about him. Or, in Trumptardese “acted like a beta male and got cucked by Abbott and Cruz”

https://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-john-cornyn-urge-biden-ok-texas-emergency-declaration-deadly-winter-storm-1569256

[ChumpDumper]

He did this without ragetweeting all day and making it all about him. Or, in Trumptardese “acted like a beta male and got cucked by Abbott and Cruz”

https://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-john-cornyn-urge-biden-ok-texas-emergency-declaration-deadly-winter-storm-1569256Didn't even make Abbott kiss the ring.:tu

[Winehole23]

St David’s Med Center South in Austin has no power and no water. Patients being evacuated now.

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[vy65]

Should I feel bad for running my pool pump overnight?

You're giving snakeboy a serious run for his money in the "who's a bigger boomer piece of shit" race

[ChumpDumper]

Should I feel bad for running my pool pump overnight?
You are part of the problem tbh.

St David’s Med Center South in Austin has no power and no water. Patients being evacuated now.

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[Adam Lambert]

You're giving snakeboy a serious run for his money in the "who's a bigger boomer piece of shit" race

You're just triggered by his flagrant and selfish disregard for others.

[DarrinS]

You're giving snakeboy a serious run for his money in the "who's a bigger boomer piece of shit" race

Relax. I have a generator.

[vy65]

Relax. I have a generator.

And a pool!

[DarrinS]

And a pool!

Hence, the pump.

[DMC]

Bright side: No need for refrigerated trucks

[Winehole23]

Should I feel bad for running my pool pump overnight?:fishing

[DarrinS]

Bright side: No need for refrigerated trucks

I just have my beer sitting in the garage.

[SnakeBoy]

You're giving snakeboy a serious run for his money in the "who's a bigger boomer piece of shit" race

I just wanted some half & half for my coffee tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Trump supporters having trouble coping with their loss months later.

[Winehole23]

ERCOT says full power restoration is “a number of days away”

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[DMC]

I just have my beer sitting in the garage.

I took a couple 18 packs out of the garage so they don't explode.

[DMC]

I just wanted some half & half for my coffee tbh

Bend over, I'll give you some fuckin' half and half.


Maybe that can be used against me... hmm

[SnakeBoy]

Are ya'll ready for snowpocalypse part deux

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Just hoping there's no rain that freezes after touchdown. Last time that happened out here trees started falling over with the weight, taking the power lines with them. Was 4 days without power.

[pgardn]

My garage works fine as the refrigerator/freezer. Im just now figuring out which part actually just refrigerates.

Thankfully we have a lot of Yellowstone camping crap. Its all out.
The Coleman cooking was done in the garage after the cars were pulled out, reeked havoc on the "new" refrigerator.
Stay safe everyone just a couple more days/nights.

the power should go out anytime now, its best turned off at night apparently so we can use the arctic gear.

[boutons_deux]

Trump supporters having trouble coping with their loss months later.

they were screaming hell today when Biden was shown on the Presidential plane, thinking that Trash was still using it secretly

America is fucked by AmeriKKKans and unfuckable

[DarrinS]

My garage works fine as the refrigerator/freezer. Im just now figuring out which part actually just refrigerates.

Thankfully we have a lot of Yellowstone camping crap. Its all out.
The Coleman cooking was done in the garage after the cars were pulled out, reeked havoc on the "new" refrigerator.
Stay safe everyone just a couple more days/nights.

the power should go out anytime now, its best turned off at night apparently so we can use the arctic gear.


Sounds like you are prepared. :tu

[DarrinS]

they were screaming hell today when Biden was shown on the Presidential plane, thinking that Trash was still using it secretly

America is fucked by AmeriKKKans and unfuckable


:lol

[ChumpDumper]

People are just itching to shame others here.

[boutons_deux]

CPS energy CEO says San Antonio outages to continue at least until Saturday and for some even longer

[ChumpDumper]

FWIW, could change at any moment. Enjoying civilization while it lasts:

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[SnakeBoy]

does your wife do all the shopping for you too? Or does she just pay for everything, and you run like errand boy you are.


Vy65 summed you up to a tee

Didn't see what he/she said. Guessing it was a sick burn of your wife makes a lot of money and you make more sitting on your ass at home. Others have used it before, it's quite the insult.

[DMC]

My boat cover ripped from all the ice. Fortunately I have a new one showing up soon.

Ramen cooks pretty well if you just put the Keurig on with no cartridge and put the bowl under the spout with the ramen. However a Keurig will use upwards of 2K watts to make a cup of coffee. Get you a magnifying glass, open your blinds and set your magnifying glass up to focus on the water bowl. You'll have hot water in about 32 hours.

[Winehole23]

FWIW, could change at any moment. Enjoying civilization while it lasts:

1362213344002867201Citywide boil water notice.

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[DMC]

I had someone ask me today "does it matter if it's on the stove or microwave?" when talking about boiling the water. Yes it was a female.

[ChumpDumper]

Citywide boil water notice.

1362229124870270979I figured as much. The pressure has dropped quite a bit. All those pipe breaks.

[Winehole23]

I figured as much. The pressure has dropped quite a bit. All those pipe breaks.Evacuating St. David’s was a strong clue.

[ChumpDumper]

Evacuating St. David’s was a strong clue.Yeah, I was thinking it might be isolated to the south but it's completely noticeable up north.

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[baseline bum]

Thankfully we have a lot of Yellowstone camping crap. Its all out.


True, my hiking gear made my walk through the city when it was snowing and 13 degrees with 25 mph wind comfortable as hell. Can't underestimate having quality gear.

[GAustex]

Strange local news stations not reporting boil water notice. Fox7 and news8 not reporting

[ChumpDumper]

Strange local news stations not reporting boil water notice. Fox7 and news8 not reporting

Dunno; they should get on it.

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Rollingwood couldn't flush their turds this morning, so it could be worse.

[SnakeBoy]

Perry says Texans willing to suffer blackouts to keep feds out of power market
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Perry-says-Texans-wiling-to-suffer-blackouts-to-15956705.php?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=kwtx&fbclid=IwAR189rQwEbRdyZ2yRz1qpNCbmLlHvGxgo0pI6XmgI YagFZSu-DZOisPpgyQ


“Texans would be without electricity for longer than three days to keep the federal government out of their business,”

[Winehole23]

Boil your water, don’t eat any spoiled food and try to avoid falling down.

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[SnakeBoy]

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=-webkit-standard]Boil your water, don’t eat any spoiled food and try to avoid falling down.


The falling down thing is real. Lot's of broken hips happening.

[DarrinS]

Boil your water, don’t eat any spoiled food and try to avoid falling down.

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Fuck. Portland's sister city is fubar.

[pgardn]

True, my hiking gear made my walk through the city when it was snowing and 13 degrees with 25 mph wind comfortable as hell. Can't underestimate having quality gear.

I dont expect others to have this stuff.
Its just nice to have a sleeping bag rated for -20 F and such.
Just lucky I like the outdoors so much.
Most people seem to be raised inside in front of some sort of screen it seems.

I say as I type indoors in front of a screen awaiting the inevitable power outage.

edit: 0 F rating.

[DMC]

The falling down thing is real. Lot's of broken hips happening.

Have a package in the mail today but stepped outside and said nope, not busting my ass going to end of drive.

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck. Portland's sister city is fubar.Your state is fubar, Karrin.

[Winehole23]

Fuck. Portland's sister city is fubar.



Austin has 14 Sister Cities and 3 Friendship Cities:
Sister Cities

Adelaide, Australia (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/adelaide-australia)
Angers, France (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/angers-france)
Antalya, Turkey (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/antalya-turkey)
Gwangmyeong, Korea (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/gwangmyeong-korea)
Koblenz, Germany (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/koblenz-germany)
London Borough of Hackney, United Kingdom (http://austintexas.gov/department/london-borough-hackney-united-kingdom)
Lima, Peru (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/lima-peru)
Maseru, Lesotho (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/maseru-lesotho)
Oita, Japan (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/oita-japan)
Old Orlu, Nigeria (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/old-orlu-nigeria)
Pune, India
Saltillo, Mexico (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/saltillo-mexico)
Taichung, Taiwan (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/taichung-taiwan)
Xishuangbanna, China (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/xishuangbanna-china)

Friendship Cities

Siem Reap, Cambodia (http://austintexas.gov/department/siem-reap-cambodia)
Tehuacán, Mexico (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/tehuacan-mexico)
Villefranche-sur-mer, France (https://www.austintexas.gov/department/villefranche-sur-mer-france)


https://www.austintexas.gov/department/sister-and-friendship-cities-program

[DarrinS]

I dont expect others to have this stuff.
Its just nice to have a sleeping bag rated for -20 F and such.
Just lucky I like the outdoors so much.
Most people seem to be raised inside in front of some sort of screen it seems.

I say as I type indoors in front of a screen awaiting the inevitable power outage.


I spend a lot of time outdoors. I just prefer 90 degrees to 10. :lol

[Winehole23]

Pucker factor.

ERCOT and its board are lucky so many directors live out of state. I think one of them lives in Germany.

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[SnakeBoy]

I dont expect others to have this stuff.
Its just nice to have a sleeping bag rated for -20 F and such.
Just lucky I like the outdoors so much.
Most people seem to be raised inside in front of some sort of screen it seems.

I say as I type indoors in front of a screen awaiting the inevitable power outage.

edit: 0 F rating.

I have a bunch of gear too. It's all stored away because I discovered I like the idea of liking the outdoors more than I like the outdoors.

[pgardn]

I spend a lot of time outdoors. I just prefer 90 degrees to 10. :lol

The sleeping bag is rated at 0 F
I made a mistake.

I prefer 55 degrees for running and 70 degrees in all other circumstances. Its just fun to face circumstances outdoors that require problem solving and really just living for that day. On Yellowstone lake way on the back grounds where you dont see anyone all day you just let the weather and the conditions you find at the different sites determine the day. Its all about what can we do today given the circumstances. Then the circumstances promptly change and you are getting snowed on, sleeted on, hailed on, all in the same day (June after the ice breaks up can be rough). So you spend most of the day in your tent and attempt to build a fire. Eventually your body adjusts to this training and tough conditions. After 9 days you feel like you belong even. Then you leave, find a hotel, and you cant sleep on a nice bed for that night. Absolutely weird.

But this shit we are having now should not be forced upon people who are unprepared and live in crappy housing or none at all. I am asking and expecting to suffer a bit when I choose to "test" myself a bit. Some people are just city oriented and just try to get through the day on a "normal" day of drudgery. I have the means to make myself suffer a bit in order to... hell if I know. Its a weird world.

We have fckn power at 10 pm!!!

[baseline bum]

I dont expect others to have this stuff.
Its just nice to have a sleeping bag rated for -20 F and such.
Just lucky I like the outdoors so much.
Most people seem to be raised inside in front of some sort of screen it seems.

I say as I type indoors in front of a screen awaiting the inevitable power outage.

edit: 0 F rating.

I only use a bag rated for 20, but when I have actually slept in 20 degree weather it's too hot and I have to unzip it.

[pgardn]

I have a bunch of gear too. It's all stored away because I discovered I like the idea of liking the outdoors more than I like the outdoors.

Honestly it sucks the first 2 days. But the people I go with and myself seem to adjust. Its sort of primal and weird. I dont expect others to like it. Exactly ZERO relatives will go with me (my wife will go on minor trips). Just 3 other guys who are as strange as I am. We also have the penchant for being exercise lovers as well so we know each other's capabilities and its easier to dole out duties for that day. It also helps if the people you are with are really funny and very good natured. And are flexible when things get rough, help each other out because we know who climbs best, hikes best, swims best, best kayaker, balances best, the best pack animal...

[pgardn]

I only use a bag rated for 20, but when I have actually slept in 20 degree weather it's too hot and I have to unzip it.

Absolutely its too hot. I slept in it in Yellowstone, in June, wearing only underwear. I will really just lay on top of it tonight, maybe have my feet in it. Its 50 F in the house. The bag is a Reisen. My Colorado guy's choice.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151752922_1172251739871085_4500262420518305896_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=7GUSbYTwBpkAX_jSq-I&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=adc5ec682e49c7625de02f005748c543&oe=6054C228

[DarrinS]

The sleeping bag is rated at 0 F
I made a mistake.

I prefer 55 degrees for running and 70 degrees in all other circumstances. Its just fun to face circumstances outdoors that require problem solving and really just living for that day. On Yellowstone lake way on the back grounds where you dont see anyone all day you just let the weather and the conditions you find at the different sites determine the day. Its all about what can we do today given the circumstances. Then the circumstances promptly change and you are getting snowed on, sleeted on, hailed on, all in the same day (June after the ice breaks up can be rough). So you spend most of the day in your tent and attempt to build a fire. Eventually your body adjusts to this training and tough conditions. After 9 days you feel like you belong even. Then you leave, find a hotel, and you cant sleep on a nice bed for that night. Absolutely weird.

But this shit we are having now should not be forced upon people who are unprepared and live in crappy housing or none at all. I am asking and expecting to suffer a bit when I choose to "test" myself a bit. Some people are just city oriented and just try to get through the day on a "normal" day of drudgery. I have the means to make myself suffer a bit in order to... hell if I know. Its a weird world.

We have fckn power at 10 pm!!!


Been to Yellowstone once when I was 12 or so. Completely paranoid about grizzly bears. Never saw one, thankfully.

[DarrinS]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/151752922_1172251739871085_4500262420518305896_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=7GUSbYTwBpkAX_jSq-I&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=adc5ec682e49c7625de02f005748c543&oe=6054C228

^ Isn't that the tentacle porn guy?

[pgardn]

Been to Yellowstone once when I was 12 or so. Completely paranoid about grizzly bears. Never saw one, thankfully.

every year we have to watch the Park Service "bear video" before we go to the back country
And I want nothing to do with them, nothing. I only want to see one from a car.
One time we found some older bear scat and it unnerved all of us a bit.

We have all experimented with the bear spray and its awesome. It shoots a long way and pushes your hand back, pretty amazing.
None of us have sprayed ourselves yet. I pictured myself in my sleeping bag, spraying myself accidentally, and then being eaten like a spicy taco.

[ChumpDumper]

^ Isn't that the tentacle porn guy?Would that change anything about the energy situation in Texas or are we just not going to say anything about that anymore?

[baseline bum]

Been to Yellowstone once when I was 12 or so. Completely paranoid about grizzly bears. Never saw one, thankfully.

Bison are much more dangerous tbh

[Mark Celibate]

The idiot is standing in line outside of HEB on a freezing fucking day 3 days after the storm hit because he has no food in the winter time. I don't think you have to do the math on that one.

Yeah, after going through a major hurricane a few years ago I always have 2 weeks (minimum) of food, water, and fuel on me at all times. I got lucky in that one too, but it was an eye opener how fragile we really are and we literally cannot rely on anything in our lives. Hell, just this past year should have taught anybody that. Also, basic "power outage" skills...how to operate a generator and how to shutoff a main water valve. I can't believe how many people in Texas apparently don't know where their water cutoffs are, but instead b!tch on TikTok when their pipes burst. Just shows how dumbed down we're getting. If there's not an app for it, then theyre helpless

[boutons_deux]

Texas is demonstrating a massive failure of GOP core policies,

and they're lying about it.

Republicans who lead the state desperately need an excuse for why they’ve failed their citizens to the extent that millions are cold and many of their lives are in genuine peril.

The failure of the Texas power grid is a prime example of a massive failure not just on the part of Republican leadership in Texas, but of the whole conservative philosophy.

This is a system that was milk-fed on their conception of free market capitalism and raised to generate maximum profits for a few at the expense of the many.

In the face of 40+ years of refining that system down to the raw ragged edge

where any pressure could not help but generate failure,

they’re not just lying about the cause,

they’re trying to weaponize their own failure in order to make things worse.

The cause for the Texas blackout comes from decades of a

system that was meant to optimize profits by encouraging providers not to plan for emergencies or provide any more power than is needed under usual circumstances.

That system depends on tight spots in the market to generate spikes in pricing.

It’s supposed to operate by generating “inconvenience.”

That design relies on basic economics:

When electricity demand increases, so too does the price for power.

The higher prices force consumers to reduce energy use to prevent cascading failures of power plants that could leave the entire state in the dark, while encouraging power plants to generate more electricity.

“It’s not convenient,” Professor Hogan said. “It’s not nice. It’s necessary.”

It’s necessary because that’s the best way to generate maximum profits from the system at a cost of “inconvenience” to those left in the dark.

the Republican politicians who put this system in place—

along with conservatives nationwide who would like to use this as a model for every system everywhere—

don’t want the public looking too closely at how this sausage is being not made.

That’s why they’ve launched a national “Look, over there!” campaign to point the finger at wind energy.


The other thing that’s going on … is that wind and solar are almost completely useless when you have a polar vortex, when you have these frigid temperatures.

The wind turbines freeze, they don’t twist anymore, and

the solar panels get snow and get ice on them so they’re no good either.



Moore then goes on to claim that America is using coal “at record levels across the country.”

Which, unless he means at record low levels (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/coal/use-of-coal.php), is a whopper of lie.

the fact that a larger percentage of the outage in Texas comes from coal plants that are offline than comes from wind turbines out of service.

coal is less reliable than renewable sources.

Not only that, it’s far more costly. Which is why no one is even talking about building a new coal plant.

the lie that wind turbines were freezing was quickly picked up and repeated across the spectrum of Fox News programs.

Iowa is also regularly subject to the kind of weather that caused Texas’ power grid to buckle this week. Iowa’s wind power is just fine.

, Tucker Carlson (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1361847765387546629?s=20)was the logical person to turn the big lie big dial up to 11 when he

put the blame for the continuing Texas’ blackout solidly on … the Green New Deal,

a piece of legislation yet to move out of the House and Senate.

right-wing talkers popping up to call the Green New Deal “deadly” and to point to Texas as “proof” that renewable power doesn’t work.

Greg Abbott then appeared with Sean Hannity (https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1361866553998909442?s=20) to reinforce every false claim made so far.


This shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America. …

Our wind and our solar got shut down, and collectively they were more than 10% of our power grid. …

As a result, it just shows, that fossil fuels is necessary for the state of Texas, as well as the other states.


Meanwhile in the real world, the actual production of wind power was actually producing 2 gigawatts more (http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/html/CURRENT_DAYCOP_HSL.html) than the most optimistic forecast (http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/html/CURRENT_DAYCOP_HSL.html), while natural gas prices were soaring (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-17/gas-prices-soar-in-central-u-s-as-cold-paralyzes-production?utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_medium=social) to record highs,

the only thing in the nation currently thrilling coal mining companies is the instability in the gas market introduced not by Texas’ dependence on wind, but by its failure to require that gas pipelines be buried or insulated to guard against freezing.

What could make companies think twice about closing their money-losing coal plants?

A gas market more unstable than at any time in the last two decades.

Texas has failed because it has built a system that’s designed to always run at the edge of failure.

That system offers absolutely no incentive to increase reliability or provide protections in the case of an emergency situation.

It’s a system where the providers get maximum money when the system includes periods of failure and excess demand,

creating a perverse incentive to not expand so that the system has any buffer between capacity and demand.

What Abbott and every Fox News talking head is trying to do is make Texas more dependent on the part of the system that has failed the hardest and is most responsible for spiking prices.

They’re just repeating the latest Big Lie over and over, with full knowledge that it is a lie and that it makes absolutely no sense.


But it does allow them to point the finger of blame away from

their core beliefs in a maximized profit market and deregulation of ways to fleece the public.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016614

[Winehole23]

Texas remained in the frigid grip of winter storms on Wednesday as a fresh arctic blast deepened an electricity supply crisis that has forced millions to endure days without power and heat.

Pipes froze and burst across the state, and warming centers that had opened lost power (https://twitter.com/fbcoem/status/1362061539616808961). Icicles hung from kitchen faucets (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-weather/article/Houston-home-without-power-becomes-so-cold-water-15954455.php) in Houston, ambulances in San Antonio were unable to meet the surging demand (https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Organized-chaos-San-Antonio-s-winter-15955513.php), and the county government in coastal Galveston called for refrigerated trucks to hold the bodies they expect to find in freezing, powerless houses.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/02/17/us/winter-storm-weather-live

[boutons_deux]

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[GAustex]

every year we have to watch the Park Service "bear video" before we go to the back country
And I want nothing to do with them, nothing. I only want to see one from a car.
One time we found some older bear scat and it unnerved all of us a bit.

We have all experimented with the bear spray and its awesome. It shoots a long way and pushes your hand back, pretty amazing.
None of us have sprayed ourselves yet. I pictured myself in my sleeping bag, spraying myself accidentally, and then being eaten like a spicy taco.
spicy taco
thanks for the laugh

[Winehole23]

Buen viaje, ‘Felito

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[SnakeBoy]

While much of Texas had huge demands for electric power in the severe cold wave, El Paso's less-severe cold weather didn't cause the same problem.

On Sunday, when El Paso temperatures dropped to the teens, EPE's peak electric demand hit approximately 1,130 megawatts, reported George De La Torre, an EPE spokesman. That's on par with previous years, he said.

That's well below this past summer's record peak electric demand of 2,173 megawatts during a July heat wave, when temperatures were well over 100 degrees.

[ChumpDumper]

what was Lubbock's?

[Spurtacular]

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[Spurtacular]

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Smart. :tu

[Winehole23]

Many of you may recall that California was denied federal disaster aid during the wildfires last year, and Puerto Rico still hasn’t received ~$1B of federal relief promised over three years ago.


In a sign of just how fundamental the needs are in Texas, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has sent blankets, bottled water and meals, in addition to 60 generators, to help the state power “critical infrastructure” like hospitals. FEMA will also provide the state with diesel fuel “to ensure the continued availability of backup power,” Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, said at a briefing on Wednesday.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/17/us/texas-winter-storm.html

[Spurtacular]

Buen viaje, ‘Felito


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doJA2JOHXr8

[ChumpDumper]

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/066/040/715/original/299800100cdfe7f5.jpeg

Just winterize the equipment for the customers' benefit.

Including the natural gas plants which failed harder than wind.:tu

[Winehole23]

Smart. :tu

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[Winehole23]

1362260315044540417

[Spurtacular]

https://postnewsera.com/watch?id=602dd5cfed345a0af54f7bdb

[Spurtacular]

1362260315044540417

Why is the water no longer safe suddenly, blakehole?

[ChumpDumper]

Why is the water no longer safe suddenly, blakehole?Do you really want to have the workings of water treatment and delivery spoon fed to you, derp?

Yes or no.

Or fold and whine about me.

[Spurtacular]

1362275998344110080

It's funny if you go into the twitter threads on this stuff now. It's like forty neckbeards is all after Twatter got done getting rid of the poster that real people care about. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Do you really want to have the workings of water treatment and delivery spoon fed to you?

Yes or no.

Or fold and whine about me.

I wasn't talking to you, attention whore.

[ElNono]

It's funny if you go into the twitter threads on this stuff now. It's like forty neckbeards is all after Twatter got done getting rid of the poster that real people care about. :lol

Twitter hasn't changed one bit, not sure what you're babbling about... heck, looks like your own neckbeard ass is checking out the threads.

[Spurtacular]

Twitter hasn't changed one bit, not sure what you're babbling about... heck, looks like your own neckbeard ass is checking out the threads.

You're becoming ElChumpo more and more. So many tantrums.

[ElNono]

^ You don't have to reply to me if you don't want to. Talk about tantrums.

[boutons_deux]

Just winterize the equipment for the customers' benefit.

Including the natural gas plants which failed harder than wind.:tu

anybody hear about IA's or MT's turbines failing the way TX's did? TX is a fucking shithole run by Repug shitbags.

Will Biden NOW help PR that was abandoned by Trash?

[boutons_deux]

Texas mayor is exactly the hero Republicans are looking for in a life-threatening crisis

incorporates the

core Republican themes of

“rugged individualism” :lol

and the Reaganesque tradition of government distrust :lol

into such a pure form, that it’s not hard to see them being stitched onto banners for the next assault on the Capitol.

“No one owes you or your family anything; nor is it the local governments responsibility to support you during trying times like this!

Sink or swim, it’s your choice! … Only the strong will survive and the week will perish.”

Colorado City Mayor Tim Boyd. Actually, make that ex-Colorado City mayor, as according to KTXS (https://ktxs.com/news/local/colorado-city-mayor-resigns-after-controversial-facebook-post), Boyd resigned from his position on Tuesday afternoon.

Boyd posted his stirring call to arms on Facebook Tuesday morning because he said he was “frustrated” that people would call their local city government about problems such as a lack of power or water. For those people, Boyd had a perfect answer.

“I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn hand out!

If you don’t have electricity you step up and come up with a game plan to keep your family warm and safe.

If you have no water you deal with out and think outside of the box to survive and supply water to your family.”

Boyd had a completely Fox News-worthy reason that people were so “lazy” and just sitting around being cold and thirsty.

“This is sadly a product of a socialist government

where they feed people to believe that the FEW work and others will become dependent for handouts.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/2/17/2016576/-Texas-mayor-is-exactly-the-hero-Republicans-are-looking-for-in-a-life-threatening-crisis

Colorado city population: 2000

His wife got fired, "at will", for Boyd's Repug principles

[boutons_deux]

btw, Rugged Individual Ted Cruz working for Texas is now in Mexico on vacation.

[monosylab1k]

Buen viaje, ‘Felito

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This just earns him more “triggerin da libs” brownie points with the Trumptards.

[boutons_deux]

Texas leaders failed to heed warnings that left the state's power grid vulnerable to winter extremes, experts say

but they left the choice to prepare for harsh weather up to the power companies — many of which opted against the costly upgrades.

That, plus a deregulated energy market largely isolated from the rest of the country’s power grid,

left the state alone to deal with the crisis,

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/17/texas-power-grid-failures/

[CosmicCowboy]

Plumbers are gonna be swamped next week.

[boutons_deux]

:lol Shitbag Abbott stomps on his very own good 'ol boys of PUC/ERCOT

rather than on this BigDonor financiers who run the for-profit utilities cheaply to extract investor takings.

So today it's not the fault of windmills, and tree-hugging, socialist Green New Deal / AOC? WTF


"This was a total failure by ERCOT," said Abbott on Tuesday.

"These are the experts.

These are engineers in the power industry.

These aren't bureaucrats or whatever the case may be.

These are specialists, and government has to rely upon on these specialists to be able to deliver in these types of situations."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/politics/texas-power-grid/index.html


=====================

Appointed by the Texas Governor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Governor), the three-member commission

also regulates

the rates and services of transmission and distribution utilities that operate where there is competition,

investor-owned electric utilities where competition has not been chosen, and

incumbent local exchange companies that have not elected incentive regulation.

The PUC’s mission is to “protect customers, :lol

foster competition, :lol

and promote high quality infrastructure.” :lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Utility_Commission_of_Texas

[Trill Clinton]

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[hater]

1362252669365190656

These rich bastards really have it good. If I fuck up like this at my job I not only get fired but get an ass chewing by the bosses. These fucks fuck up. Get nothing done to them. Then give themselves bonuses.

[boutons_deux]

Andy Borowitz (https://www.facebook.com/andyborowitz?__cft__[0]=AZXrKtTINZYY27aXc9jcqMaRo3bc560YWmbb80LJj9BBnkNul tC-YFuU9g7dgDFmN6_bheWD7A0G2aGRYdep-vIjKD_moZYfvrxW10UHN3jGprICvbqr7i42oUuJYVmUfK9fQRN iDwZtDM4q-Fa1mDBPT4Nse56467Yi7UUCoQkU-nhrRpVicrJ1to74VrtjB_k&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R)

Cruz Addresses Texas Crisis With Emergency Heat-finding Mission

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/152057328_275621110599125_7906266552673553172_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=GwIpk9d2Hq0AX-RsOuh&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=1141bf6f2705d47859b513905232d720&oe=6054311E





(https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=275621107265792&set=a.265130208314882&__cft__[0]=AZXrKtTINZYY27aXc9jcqMaRo3bc560YWmbb80LJj9BBnkNul tC-YFuU9g7dgDFmN6_bheWD7A0G2aGRYdep-vIjKD_moZYfvrxW10UHN3jGprICvbqr7i42oUuJYVmUfK9fQRN iDwZtDM4q-Fa1mDBPT4Nse56467Yi7UUCoQkU-nhrRpVicrJ1to74VrtjB_k&__tn__=EH-R)

[DMC]

Yeah, after going through a major hurricane a few years ago I always have 2 weeks (minimum) of food, water, and fuel on me at all times. I got lucky in that one too, but it was an eye opener how fragile we really are and we literally cannot rely on anything in our lives. Hell, just this past year should have taught anybody that. Also, basic "power outage" skills...how to operate a generator and how to shutoff a main water valve. I can't believe how many people in Texas apparently don't know where their water cutoffs are, but instead b!tch on TikTok when their pipes burst. Just shows how dumbed down we're getting. If there's not an app for it, then theyre helpless

How many neckbeards do you think know how to change a tire on their vehicle?

[DMC]

These rich bastards really have it good. If I fuck up like this at my job I not only get fired but get an ass chewing by the bosses. These fucks fuck up. Get nothing done to them. Then give themselves bonuses.

Heads will roll. Swords are currently being polished, ready to be fallen on by lower level leaders.

[DMC]

Plumbers are gonna be swamped next week.

Plumbers, electricians, carpenters, painters, drywall... it will be all you can eat for a couple months at least.

[Winehole23]

Snow and sleet missed Austin last night. Is power coming back on in SA?

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[Trill Clinton]

Snowing again here in Cibolo

[Winehole23]

Austin City Councilman Greg Casar has been much better at getting information out there than Mayor Adler. The doc linked at the tweet has lots of great info and disaster-related resources for Austinites.

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[boutons_deux]

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[ElNono]

How’s North Guatemala doing this morning? Hope y’all are safe out there...

[ChumpDumper]

How’s North Guatemala doing this morning? Hope y’all are safe out there...

I've had power for 18 straight hours. Relieved.

[Warlord23]

As someone said recently, the US is fast becoming a third world country wearing a Gucci belt - Texas is the latest symptom.

Greatest country in the world, with the largest economy, the most technological innovation, the largest military ... right alongside widespread medical bankruptcy, contaminated water, opioid addiction, falling life expectancy and relentlessly increasing wealth inequality.

Don't worry, the champion of free markets Greg Abbott will order an inquiry into ERCOT, secure in the knowledge that they have immunity from lawsuits

[Mark Celibate]

PULL YERSELF UP BY TEH BOOTSTRAPS!!!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuYi-vtXAAMXhp1.png

[Winehole23]

PULL YERSELF UP BY TEH BOOTSTRAPS!!!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuYi-vtXAAMXhp1.pngHe resigned.

[Blake]

Yeah, after going through a major hurricane a few years ago I always have 2 weeks (minimum) of food, water, and fuel on me at all times. I got lucky in that one too, but it was an eye opener how fragile we really are and we literally cannot rely on anything in our lives. Hell, just this past year should have taught anybody that. Also, basic "power outage" skills...how to operate a generator and how to shutoff a main water valve. I can't believe how many people in Texas apparently don't know where their water cutoffs are, but instead b!tch on TikTok when their pipes burst. Just shows how dumbed down we're getting. If there's not an app for it, then theyre helpless

Yup I'm gonna buy a cow and a hen so I'm prepared next time

[Blake]

I've had power for 18 straight hours. Relieved.

Ditto. I can actually work today

[Spurtacular]

Ditto. I can actually work today

No thanks to the bull shit you believe in.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/066/046/181/original/76a446dc74842c1f.png

[boutons_deux]

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[Spurtacular]

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/899/743/original/417f4b34d3425137.jpeg

[ChumpDumper]

No thanks to the bull shit you believe in.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/066/046/181/original/76a446dc74842c1f.png

:lol what do you think that graph proves, derp?

Step up and speak for yourself, tough guy.

[Bogie]

No thanks to the bull shit you believe in.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/066/046/181/original/76a446dc74842c1f.png


you’re so fucking stupid

[Bogie]

:lol what do you think that graph proves, derp?

Step up and speak for yourself, tough guy.


he’s literally dumber than the guy that said drill for electricity

[SnakeBoy]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/152130400_4828586893900993_8603843361794623910_o.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=n7iqIrUXpCoAX_HACTN&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&tp=7&oh=ec71094d86e5436c6b0a1dec9597ed00&oe=605344C9

Biden's oligarchy

[boutons_deux]

Texas shows that when you cannot govern, you lie.

A lot.

Incompetence is not the purview of one party.

But when you view politics as theater and grievance-mongering,

chances are you are going to shortchange governance.

Elect a president with no public-sector experience, no interest in learning,

no desire to hire competent people and

no ability to accept responsibility, and

you get something like the covid-19 debacle.

Moreover, if your party is hostile to government and exercising regulatory power because

it is beholden to a donor class and right-wing ideologues,

you will not be prepared for disasters when they strike.

And that brings us to Texas.

rotten policy and management are to blame.

“It is a financial structure for power generation that

offers no incentives to power plant operators to prepare for winter. In the name of deregulation and free markets, critics say,

Texas has created an electric grid that puts an emphasis on cheap prices over reliable service.”

Mayors from Texas cities — including

Arlington, Austin, Beaumont, Brownsville, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Plano and Port Arthur —

are begging (https://www.usmayors.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Mayors-Letter-on-American-Rescue-Plan-011921-PDF.pdf) for passage of the Biden administration’s rescue package.

In a joint letter with the Conference of Mayors to congressional leaders, they write:

“The lack of adequate support has resulted in

budget cuts,
service reductions, and
job losses.

Sadly, nearly one million local government jobs have already been lost during the pandemic. …

The $350 billion in direct relief to state and local governments included in President Elect Biden’s American Rescue Plan would allow cities to preserve critical public sector jobs and help drive our economic recovery.”

Cruz is part of the crowd that opposes “blue-state bailouts”

(though he had no problem taking (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/28/texas-hurricane-harvey-hypocrisy-cruz-242098) relief for Hurricane Harvey).

He was also one of six senators (https://abc13.com/ted-cruz-senator-votes-against-bill-pandemic-relief/8975280/) to vote against the December stimulus package.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/17/texas-shows-that-when-you-cannot-govern-you-lie-lot (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/17/texas-shows-that-when-you-cannot-govern-you-lie-lot/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F2fe6afc%2F602e98fa9d2fda4c88e8aa06%2F59740db3 ade4e21a8493fdae%2F18%2F70%2F602e98fa9d2fda4c88e8a a06)

[DMC]

Last year the WH had responsibility for state issues. This year it's the state, but only the red ones. Cuomo still a hero.

[SnakeBoy]

Last year the WH had responsibility for state issues. This year it's the state, but only the red ones. Cuomo still a hero.

yup

[ChumpDumper]

Last year the WH had responsibility for state issues. This year it's the state, but only the red ones. Cuomo still a hero.
Straight to whataboutism

[DMC]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/MM-CUOMO-1.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/MM-CUOMO-1.jpg


Straight to whataboutism

[Winehole23]

Cuomo in the Snowocalypse thread, DMC flailing wildly this morning

[Blake]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/152130400_4828586893900993_8603843361794623910_o.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=n7iqIrUXpCoAX_HACTN&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&tp=7&oh=ec71094d86e5436c6b0a1dec9597ed00&oe=605344C9

The energy Capitol of the world!

[ChumpDumper]

DMC's having a tough day after his Cruz narrative blew up in his large face.

[Blake]

Biden's oligarchy

Nope. Perry/Patrick/Abbott's Texas made sure the feds stay out of this.

[DMC]

^ :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Nope. Perry/Patrick/Abbott's Texas made sure the feds stay out of this.Except when they beg for federal aid.

[DMC]

The energy Capitol of the world!

You still in line at HEB? :lol

[Blake]

Last year the WH had responsibility for state issues. This year it's the state, but only the red ones. Cuomo still a hero.

It depends on the issue of course, but being disingenuous helps you win the internets.

[Blake]

^ :lmao

Dmc fighting with snakeboy over who can be the bigger piece of shit

[Blake]

You still in line at HEB? :lol

Yup I've been standing there since yesterday because I didn't have the foresight to buy hen and cow like you.

[Adam Lambert]

You still in line at HEB? :lol

Trying to imagine what it takes to become the type of person who taunts someone for standing in a line to buy groceries, and all I can come up with is misery suppression.

I'm sorry for what ever got you to this point.

[Th'Pusher]

Trying to imagine what it takes to become the type of person who taunts someone for standing in a line to buy groceries, and all I can come up with is misery suppression.

I'm sorry for what ever got you to this point.

No shit. He and snakeboy...a couple of mid-50 year old shitty internet trolls. The mentality of middle school kids. Grow the fuck up.

[ElNono]

Mexico to build a border wall to keep Americans away from their fuel and gas

https://www.reuters.com/story/mexico-to-build-wall-americans-238773 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

[Blake]

Mexico to build a border wall to keep Americans away from their fuel and gas

https://www.reuters.com/story/mexico-to-build-wall-americans-238773 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

Our walls keep falling over

[Winehole23]

Prosociality in action


Gallery Furniture is opening its Houston and West Houston stores and is putting mattresses in its new trade school and high school. McIngvale estimates they'll be able to shelter 200 to 300 people at each one.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/mattress-mack-opens-stores-houstonians-amid-dangerous-winter/story (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/mattress-mack-opens-stores-houstonians-amid-dangerous-winter/story?id=75928606&id=75928606&__twitter_impression=true)

[Mark Celibate]

Yup I'm gonna buy a cow and a hen so I'm prepared next time

What's so absurd about keeping 1-2 weeks worth of water/nonperishable food for situations like this? Would much rather have it handy as opposed to having to worry about food outages, everyone panic buying, rushing from store to store, absurd lines, etc. I don't get why so many scoff at "prepping"...how is it any different than making sure you have a flashlight and plenty of batteries?

[baseline bum]

What's so absurd about keeping 1-2 weeks worth of water/nonperishable food for situations like this? Would much rather have it handy as opposed to having to worry about food outages, everyone panic buying, rushing from store to store, absurd lines, etc. I don't get why so many scoff at "prepping"...how is it any different than making sure you have a flashlight and plenty of batteries?

You don't need batteries to operate a fleshlight man.

[Winehole23]

In oil markets, Bloomberg reports that 4 million barrels per day of production is currently offline, representing about 40% of U.S. crude oil productionhttps://finance.yahoo.com/news/texas-weather-disrupts-oil-gas-164103114.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/texas-weather-disrupts-oil-gas-164103114.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACFlZzSOmxGC1Fin4NQ498LrxDhk AYyGb9rt31ehDIFNEOBeNkUJxpHIHL8yx9aPbnGddLW4kqqVJD c0wXv23F8de4P8WskzxjRG7bZcGQVMFpKynS_oTIUEZN0jhRtN tT8PA3uxosfptZeR5tbpY1SIUPuc4xVw6-bFMRplR4sK)

[SnakeBoy]

I found a ringtail cat taking shelter in my garage. Poor guy, I gave him a bowl of water and made him some scrambled eggs.

[Blake]

What's so absurd about keeping 1-2 weeks worth of water/nonperishable food for situations like this? Would much rather have it handy as opposed to having to worry about food outages, everyone panic buying, rushing from store to store, absurd lines, etc. I don't get why so many scoff at "prepping"...how is it any different than making sure you have a flashlight and plenty of batteries?

The ol "I've got this figured out, why doesn't everyone else" bit.

[Blake]

I found a ringtail cat taking shelter in my garage. Poor guy, I gave him a bowl of water and made him some scrambled eggs.

Help a cat make fun of a human

[SnakeBoy]

Help a cat make fun of a human

I'm sorry you didn't buy any food ahead of time. I'd make you some eggs if you were in my garage. I do feel more sorry for the ringtail because he probably did not hear the weeks worth of constant warning that this weather was going to arrive on Sunday.

[Winehole23]

Last year the WH had responsibility for state issues. This year it's the state, but only the red ones. Leaving to one side your fundamentally dishonest characterization of a nationwide pandemic that has killed half a million people as a "state issue," are you familiar with how the Texas grid works?

[Winehole23]

More disaster resources

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[DMC]

Leaving to one side your fundamentally dishonest characterization of a nationwide pandemic that has killed half a million people as a "state issue," are you familiar with how the Texas grid works?

You're ignoring the point. States aren't run by the federal government then or now.

[DMC]

More disaster resources

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If you're freezing and you got onto Spurstalk political discussion, you need more than heat.

[DMC]

The ol "I've got this figured out, why doesn't everyone else" bit.

You're a notorious dumbass though. You don't see the signs or at least you fail to act on them in time. This is well known.

[DMC]

Trying to imagine what it takes to become the type of person who taunts someone for standing in a line to buy groceries, and all I can come up with is misery suppression.

I'm sorry for what ever got you to this point.

He says from his troll account. :lol

[DMC]

Yup I've been standing there since yesterday because I didn't have the foresight to buy hen and cow like you.

hurr durr being prepared is too cisgender

[boutons_deux]

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[SnakeBoy]

The ol "I've got this figured out, why doesn't everyone else" bit.

It's not that hard Blake. FEMA offers some advice

https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/f%26web.pdf

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao insecure Trump supporters trying to disaster shame

[SnakeBoy]

:lmao insecure Trump supporters trying to disaster shame

starving Biden supporters upset that I gave food to a ringtail cat :lol

[Winehole23]

You're ignoring the point. States aren't run by the federal government then or now.Did someone claim they were?

[Winehole23]

If you're freezing and you got onto Spurstalk political discussion, you need more than heat.Power came back on early am yesterday. We were without power for two days but managed to stay cozy.

A lot of people still have it pretty rough, I bet some of them are still scrolling and posting here. One has to pass the time somehow, anyone with a personal device, a mobile connection and a car charger is likely to have been online a lot the last week, I know I have.

(shrugs)

[leemajors]

What's so absurd about keeping 1-2 weeks worth of water/nonperishable food for situations like this? Would much rather have it handy as opposed to having to worry about food outages, everyone panic buying, rushing from store to store, absurd lines, etc. I don't get why so many scoff at "prepping"...how is it any different than making sure you have a flashlight and plenty of batteries?

Nothing whatsoever.

[DMC]

Did someone claim they were?

Oh heavens no, why would anyone ever lay such a baseless claim here? The WH was responsible for all the deaths, even if the states had direct control. But no one say the feds had direct control, you're right. They just passed the responsibility buck over to them. Why aren't you doing it now instead of lowering it to senator level? :lol

[DMC]

Power came back on early am yesterday. We were without power for two days but managed to stay cozy.

A lot of people still have it pretty rough, I bet some of them are still scrolling and posting here. One has to pass the time somehow, anyone with a personal device, a mobile connection and a car charger is likely to have been online a lot the last week, I know I have.

(shrugs)

Sure, they have no idea how they are going to survive, and didn't think about Google or twitter. Whatever gets you over that hump.

[Winehole23]

Oh heavens no, why would anyone ever lay such a baseless claim here? The WH was responsible for all the deaths, even if the states had direct control. But no one say the feds had direct control, you're right. They just passed the responsibility buck over to them. Why aren't you doing it now instead of lowering it to senator level? :lolBullshit, pettifogging and strawman is your whole game.

It’s pathetic, tbh.

[Blake]

It's not that hard Blake. FEMA offers some advice

https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/f%26web.pdf

I've had plenty of bottled water and canned goods all along, thanks. Go back to helping your fellow mangy cat.

[DMC]

Bullshit, pettifogging and strawman is your whole game.

It’s pathetic, tbh.

You're using drunken monkey technique.

[DMC]

I've had plenty of bottled water and canned goods all along, thanks. Go back to helping your fellow mangy cat.

Stood in line for hours for stamps

[Blake]

Stood in line for hours for stamps

Turn off your electricity for three days, don't use gas and let me know how that can of green beans tastes on day 3.

No telling when bread and eggs will be in store. I can either sit at home with no electricity or stand in line and try my luck.

[ChumpDumper]

starving Biden supporters upset that I gave food to a ringtail cat :lolWhich one said he was actually starving using actual words?

[DMC]

Turn off your electricity for three days, don't use gas and let me know how that can of green beans tastes on day 3.

If I only had green beans, ok. I was in the same situation, still haven't been to HEB. Sorry that happened to you.