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RandomGuy
02-15-2021, 06:21 AM
Be ready for it.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/austin-power-outages-winter-weather/269-dd465c45-1229-49e3-8fbd-906a8a0402c7

AUSTIN, Texas — In addition to leading to several crashes and many school closures across the Austin area, the winter weather has also caused power outages across the area.

According to Austin Energy, the average of all outages from the beginning of the icy weather has been 183 minutes. It has 15 forestry crews, as well as 30 crews, 75 personnel and 40 trucks during the day, and 16 crews, 40 personnel and 25 trucks overnight.

RELATED: Hundreds of thousands of Texans without power as ERCOT declares highest level of energy emergency, 'rotating outages' begin

These outages are separate from planned rotating outages requested by ERCOT as electricity demand exceeds supply. For information on how the rolling outages work in Austin, click here.

Here's how you can check for outages in your area:

Blake
02-15-2021, 09:12 AM
My power has been going off and on since about 3am. Currently it's been off for about an hour. 9 degrees outside. I may turn on the grill later.

Will Hunting
02-15-2021, 10:12 AM
Good thing Abbott was able to get a quick approval of his emergency declaration plan from Biden. Trump would be jamming it up and demanding favors + bootlicking from Abbott before sending federal help.

Adam Lambert
02-15-2021, 11:12 AM
Yep, good to have a President who looks out for all Americans and not just those who live in states that voted his way. :tu

Blake
02-15-2021, 12:08 PM
I had power just long enough right now to see my thermostat say 49 degrees before it went out again

Trainwreck2100
02-15-2021, 12:22 PM
Lying ass fucksticks, power out for 15 minute intervals my ass

RandomGuy
02-15-2021, 12:35 PM
our house hasn't lost power that I have noticed yet. phone is out.

Lucky for us the heater is gas, as is the oven, so we can run the heater and not feel too bad about the grid. our little subdivision is pretty new, and seems to have power a lot of the time when others don't.

Been keeping a large kettle of water on the stove running for when teh power does go out.

DMC
02-15-2021, 01:21 PM
our house hasn't lost power that I have noticed yet. phone is out.

Lucky for us the heater is gas, as is the oven, so we can run the heater and not feel too bad about the grid. our little subdivision is pretty new, and seems to have power a lot of the time when others don't.

Been keeping a large kettle of water on the stove running for when teh power does go out.

Some newer gas ranges still require electricity because they have electric shut-off valves for the gas that have to be active in order to get gas flow to the burners

RandomGuy
02-15-2021, 01:48 PM
Some newer gas ranges still require electricity because they have electric shut-off valves for the gas that have to be active in order to get gas flow to the burners

Ah. Good to know.

We have some stainless steel growlers that can be used as water bottles. worst case scenario we head under covers with a half-gallon of 150 degree water each.

best case scenario we have lots of water for tea.

baseline bum
02-15-2021, 02:54 PM
Good thing Abbott was able to get a quick approval of his emergency declaration plan from Biden. Trump would be jamming it up and demanding favors + bootlicking from Abbott before sending federal help.

What was the plan supposed to be? Turn off the power every couple of hours all day? I have lost power five fucking times, for 30 minutes a couple of times, 45 minutes the other three.

DMC
02-15-2021, 03:28 PM
What was the plan supposed to be? Turn off the power every couple of hours all day? I have lost power five fucking times, for 30 minutes a couple of times, 45 minutes the other three.

Mine has been out for 8 hrs.

ChumpDumper
02-15-2021, 03:34 PM
Yeah Austin seems to be super fucked by ERCOT. Austin Energy turned off everything they could and are told they can't turn anything back on.

RandomGuy
02-15-2021, 03:39 PM
hmm. still haven't lost power. the phone service did come back on tho.

pgardn
02-15-2021, 03:44 PM
Mine has been out for 8 hrs.

Water pipes? ok?

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 03:44 PM
What was the plan supposed to be? Turn off the power every couple of hours all day? I have lost power five fucking times, for 30 minutes a couple of times, 45 minutes the other three.12 hours without power here.

Sylvester Turner is right, it wasn’t so much the shortage as a massive power outage. Power plants tripped off last night, so we got prolonged rather than rolling outages.

pgardn
02-15-2021, 03:45 PM
12 hours without power here.

Sylvester Turner is right, it wasn’t so much the shortage as a massive power outage. Power plants tripped off last night, so we got prolonged rather than rolling outages.

Water pipes?

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 03:46 PM
Water pipes?Water and gas are good so far, thanks for asking.

pgardn
02-15-2021, 03:49 PM
Water and gas are good so far, thanks for asking.

Good deal.

We have a fireplace with lots o wood, so temp in nice.
But all electric, so no water for the toilets or a shower.

Blake
02-15-2021, 03:50 PM
My consistent outage has been off for an hour on for exactly five minutes. Just enough to microwave a cup of coffee. Can't even fire up the keurig. I went to my car to charge our phones.

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 03:58 PM
Good deal.

We have a fireplace with lots o wood, so temp in nice.
But all electric, so no water for the toilets or a shower.No water is a drag, but I’m glad y’all are warm. We are all layered up and under blankets here.

Sidebar: my neighbor just went “wakeboarding” in the street towed by a truck.

ChumpDumper
02-15-2021, 04:20 PM
Pipes are freezing up on the windward side even though we were dripping it. Outdoor spigot there froze up before the snow yesterday with a cover over it. Heat gun didn't unblock it but did on the back spigot so letting that bitch flow.

baseline bum
02-15-2021, 04:21 PM
12 hours without power here.

Sylvester Turner is right, it wasn’t so much the shortage as a massive power outage. Power plants tripped off last night, so we got prolonged rather than rolling outages.

Austin? Sorry you gotta deal with that shit. I have had power go out six times so everytime it does I crank my heat to 80 and turn on a space heater too. I know it's shitty in the big picture but fuck I need my house as warm as possible since it's going to be 8 tonight. Wish I had a fireplace.

spurraider21
02-15-2021, 04:27 PM
sounds rough. hope you guys get out of this sooner than later

DarrinS
02-15-2021, 04:33 PM
Dusted off the generator

baseline bum
02-15-2021, 04:34 PM
Mine has been out for 8 hrs.

You got mimosas though, it all evens out.

baseline bum
02-15-2021, 04:34 PM
sounds rough. hope you guys get out of this sooner than later

Same shit happened in 2011 when it got to *gasp* 18 one morning in San Antonio. :lol

DarrinS
02-15-2021, 04:35 PM
No Wi-Fi, so that sucks

baseline bum
02-15-2021, 04:39 PM
No Wi-Fi, so that sucks

Only half the time that I have power is Spectrum working. So I can only shitpost here 1/4 of the day tbh.

DarrinS
02-15-2021, 04:41 PM
Only half the time that I have power is Spectrum working. So I can only shitpost here 1/4 of the day tbh.

Spectrum out in my area all day

DarrinS
02-15-2021, 04:43 PM
Worst part of the day was clearing a path so my dog could take a dump

GAustex
02-15-2021, 04:50 PM
North Austin
Have not lost power
Bundled up and went for a 30 minute walk
It’s beautiful outside

DarrinS
02-15-2021, 04:50 PM
Fuck -- no water now

ChumpDumper
02-15-2021, 05:11 PM
Fuck -- no water now

Were you dripping? I have a couple pipes that froze regardless.

Kyle and Pflugerville say they're in danger of running out of water. WTF?

SnakeBoy
02-15-2021, 06:07 PM
Just got power back. It went out about 6 am. It was starting to get a bit chilly inside the house (55F).

No water since we're on a well and everything froze up without power for that long.

DMC
02-15-2021, 06:10 PM
You got mimosas though, it all evens out.

I'm out lol

DMC
02-15-2021, 06:11 PM
Just got power back. It went out about 6 am. It was starting to get a bit chilly inside the house (55F).

No water since we're on a well and everything froze up without power for that long.

Zip code?

SnakeBoy
02-15-2021, 06:15 PM
Zip code?

Just east of Boerne

DMC
02-15-2021, 06:16 PM
Just east of Boerne

Ah

CosmicCowboy
02-15-2021, 06:34 PM
Had pipes to the hot water heater in the attic freeze. Had to crawl up there and thaw it out enough to close the valves to it. For those with frozen pipes you will want to cut your water off before it finally thaws so you don't flood your house.

CosmicCowboy
02-15-2021, 06:36 PM
Was out walking around. Snow is melting in the sun and the water will refreeze hard tonight. Roads will be death traps tomorrow morning.

CosmicCowboy
02-15-2021, 06:47 PM
Funny how we forget how much we need electricity. A storm like this in 30 years will really fuck you up after the idiot politicians ban gas power plants. Those windmills can't turn in ice storms and those solar panels don't work for shit when cloudy and covered with snow.

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 06:53 PM
Funny how we forget how much we need electricity. A storm like this in 30 years will really fuck you up after the idiot politicians ban gas power plants. Those windmills can't turn in ice storms and those solar panels don't work for shit when cloudy and covered with snow.Plenty of gas energy went offline last night, a nuke plant did too. Blaming wind energy is a bit of a stretch.

Siemens sells a cold weather package for its turbines, did Texas buy any?

ChumpDumper
02-15-2021, 06:53 PM
Funny how we forget how much we need electricity. A storm like this in 30 years will really fuck you up after the idiot politicians ban gas power plants. Those windmills can't turn in ice storms and those solar panels don't work for shit when cloudy and covered with snow.

Who is banning natural gas?

DMC
02-15-2021, 06:59 PM
Water pipes? ok?

Still have water. I have gas heat with water heater as well and pex mainline.

RandomGuy
02-15-2021, 07:05 PM
Who is banning natural gas?

No one. Gas will need to be in the mix for the foreseeable future, until long after I am dead.

Another silly strawman that makes "conservatives" feel superior to "silly liberals".

RandomGuy
02-15-2021, 07:06 PM
Good thing Abbott was able to get a quick approval of his emergency declaration plan from Biden. Trump would be jamming it up and demanding favors + bootlicking from Abbott before sending federal help.

SECEDE!!!.. bbbbbbrrrrrrrrr......

CosmicCowboy
02-15-2021, 07:11 PM
Cooking steaks, lobsters, asparagus and baked potatoes on the grill. Gotta suffer through this shit.

CosmicCowboy
02-15-2021, 07:13 PM
Who is banning natural gas?

Seems like zero carbon includes natural gas. And no, those windmills can't turn when the blades ice up.

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 07:13 PM
Cooking steaks, lobsters, asparagus and baked potatoes on the grill. Gotta suffer through this shit.Buen provecho

pgardn
02-15-2021, 07:53 PM
Still have water. I have gas heat with water heater as well and pex mainline.

Good deal then.

We have gas in our neighborhood but for some reason our house is not on the correct street.
8 hours is a hell of a long time. 4 and then 5 hours straight without the Big E killed us with the water. Especially all electric.

SpursforSix
02-15-2021, 08:04 PM
I know it’s a terrible idea but I keep wondering about bringing in our propane heater tree thing. At least I’d be warm as I sleep into the forever sleep.

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 08:11 PM
I know it’s a terrible idea but I keep wondering about bringing in our propane heater tree thing. At least I’d be warm as I sleep into the forever sleep.My neighbor drained two propane bottles heating his Airstream last night, I sure was glad to see him alive this morning.

RD2191
02-15-2021, 08:19 PM
Anyone know if the Castroville/Hondo area have light?

RD2191
02-15-2021, 08:20 PM
My neighbor drained two propane bottles heating his Airstream last night, I sure was glad to see him alive this morning.
:lol

spurraider21
02-15-2021, 09:08 PM
Funny how we forget how much we need electricity. A storm like this in 30 years will really fuck you up after the idiot politicians ban gas power plants. Those windmills can't turn in ice storms and those solar panels don't work for shit when cloudy and covered with snow.


Seems like zero carbon includes natural gas. And no, those windmills can't turn when the blades ice up.
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ChumpDumper
02-15-2021, 09:11 PM
Seems like zero carbon includes natural gas. And no, those windmills can't turn when the blades ice up.So you just made it up.

ChumpDumper
02-15-2021, 09:13 PM
1361361083575975936I'd be happy with rotating, but it's musical chairs and half of Austin is the first guy out.

SpursforSix
02-15-2021, 09:28 PM
My neighbor drained two propane bottles heating his Airstream last night, I sure was glad to see him alive this morning.

Damn. I bet there’s gonna be a few people that try that and don’t come out so lucky.

Mark Celibate
02-15-2021, 09:33 PM
I'd be happy with rotating, but it's musical chairs and half of Austin is the first guy out.

it's basically Russian Roulette...If you're in the cross-hairs you're mega-fucced, if not then you get power the whole time while everyone else suffers.

CosmicCowboy
02-15-2021, 09:37 PM
So you just made it up.

You are such an asshole. Natural gas is a carbon fuel. What the fuck is your definition of zero carbon?

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 09:37 PM
Why Does Texas Have its Own Power Grid? (http://https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/)

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 09:38 PM
You are such an asshole. Natural gas is a carbon fuel. What the fuck is your definition of zero carbon?Most folks think natural gas will be in the mix for quite some time. I can't think of a single US politician pushing for or even discussing the absolute elimination of hydrocarbon fuels, can you give an example of what you mean?

baseline bum
02-15-2021, 10:06 PM
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Been blacked out 9 times now since 2AM this morning. Though I wouldn't trade it for what people in Austin are dealing with. Still fucking sucks though. What a shithole state.

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 10:08 PM
Is there some reason commercial buildings and such can't be shut down building by building?

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ElNono
02-15-2021, 10:26 PM
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Or making sure the anthem is played at sporting events... that's Texas' priority!

pgardn
02-15-2021, 10:33 PM
Funny how we forget how much we need electricity. A storm like this in 30 years will really fuck you up after the idiot politicians ban gas power plants. Those windmills can't turn in ice storms and those solar panels don't work for shit when cloudy and covered with snow.

San Antonio welcomes natural gas power plants above coal. We have more natural gas than anything else for power. It burns tons cleaner.
We do have a problem in the state with oil companies asking for relief points so they can just burn or vent the natural gas off as waste, is this what you are referring to? The drilling gets a lot of natural gas when they first drill and some companies dont have the infrastructure to store it. Other companies are actually pissed because they did spend money on capturing natural gas (methane 1 carbon). We got a bit of fight going on right now on how easy permits to keep venting and flaring are given by the land commission.

https://www.kut.org/energy-environment/2021-02-12/environmental-and-industry-groups-agree-natural-gas-flaring-should-stop-the-question-is-how

This article has some of the above and would be a more "green" point of view. This proposed tax might have been what you were thinking about.

Winehole23
02-15-2021, 10:39 PM
Texas suffers from Soviet style electricity distribution system (http://https://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/amp/Texas-suffers-from-Soviet-style-electricity-4301693.php?__twitter_impression=true)


ERCOT's software network instantly tests for relative costs of further supply across millions of possible combinations of power sources. It is the present-day manifestation of Kantorovich's model for the Communist, centrally planned Soviet Union of 50 years ago. Its failure is in not having an implied price for future supply in a supply/demand market with growing demand for electricity.

ERCOT's problem with the model has been made evident in the rolling blackouts across Texas over the past several years. A recent letter from the North American Electric Reliability Corporation to ERCOT warns that projected near-future generating capacity is insufficient to meet growth in demand and points to the likelihood of significant short falls in electricity generation and delivery. It is not just cost efficiency in today's electricity delivery that is important.

ERCOT's computer program cannot show future market clearing costs equal to prices sufficient to entice generation and transmission companies to make capital investments to meet future demand growth

ChumpDumper
02-15-2021, 10:42 PM
You are such an asshole. Natural gas is a carbon fuel. What the fuck is your definition of zero carbon?Name everyone who said to get rid of it.

Spurtacular
02-16-2021, 12:22 AM
Name everyone who said to get rid of it.

Oh, look; Derp's demanding another list.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 12:32 AM
Oh, look; Derp's demanding another list.CC said “crazy politicians” want to ban oil and gas. ChumpDumper asked for an example.

It’s understandable you’d bridle at a request for another poster to back up his/her bs, you run for the hills when it happens to you.

Blake
02-16-2021, 12:33 AM
CC said “crazy politicians” want to ban oil and gas. ChumpDumper asked for an example.

It’s understandable you’d bridle at a request for another poster to back up their own bs, you run for the hills when it happens to you.

He just wanted to call someone else derp, hoping it would catch on

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 12:35 AM
He just wanted to call someone else derp, hoping it would catch onIt never will, who’s going to emulate derp?

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 12:58 AM
so much for renewables screwing the pooch


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Winehole23
02-16-2021, 01:00 AM
(It was reported this morning, and I repeated here, that nuclear power went offline. That may not be the case.)

Trainwreck2100
02-16-2021, 02:09 AM
so much for renewables screwing the pooch


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But if we had more plants then we could have avoided this. That's what they'll say

monosylab1k
02-16-2021, 08:10 AM
:lmao Texas turning into a 3rd world country over an ice storm.

:lmao Conservative deregulation screwing us all.

:lmao exactly same problems as happened 10 years ago but nothing done because of :cry muh profits :cry and :cry muh freedom :cry

:lmao there will be a ton of fist pounding over everyone who screwed up again, then absolutely nothing done to fix the problems again.

:lmao Leopards Eating Faces Party in full effect.

And unfortunately people are going to die because of it.

baseline bum
02-16-2021, 08:44 AM
Just had a 2 hour, 40 minute brownout, thanks GVEC and ERCOT.

Will Hunting
02-16-2021, 08:44 AM
:lmao all the tweets from Texas politicians about California’s rolling blackouts are looking really stupid right about now. At least in California they’re rolling black outs that can be planned for in advance.

baseline bum
02-16-2021, 09:02 AM
:lmao all the tweets from Texas politicians about California’s rolling blackouts are looking really stupid right about now. At least in California they’re rolling black outs that can be planned for in advance.

Well I only had four rolling blackouts overnight. But instead of being for 45 minutes they were for 1-3 hours.

baseline bum
02-16-2021, 09:05 AM
Can't Fucking believe temperatures in the 20s is a statewide emergency. I live in Texas, not Fucking Tijuana.

Fat Brandon Bass
02-16-2021, 09:08 AM
:lol these aren’t even “rolling” just blackouts that last for days for some people. One TX bubba was tailgating me in his truck, tried to zoom past me, but then skidded into the intersection because he could stop at the red light. Another one sped off as soon as the light turn green after revving his engine and all that. The dumbass nearly spun out onto the curb himself before barely recovering. We’re making Sub-Saharan Africa look like Italy during the Renaissance Era tbh

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 09:09 AM
But if we had more plants then we could have avoided this. That's what they'll sayThey'd be right, the problem we're having right now is not enough capacity. ERCOT doesn't do capital investment and apparently the right incentives aren't there for private companies to do it either.

ERCOT's mission to provide the least expensive energy to Texans hasn't provided the capacity needed to keep people alive in extreme weather.

DarrinS
02-16-2021, 09:30 AM
Solid power overnight. Water back. Wi-Fi back. :tu

monosylab1k
02-16-2021, 09:31 AM
Solid power overnight. Water back. Wi-Fi back. :tu

And those Lone Stars are ice cold :tu

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 09:33 AM
178, 000 people live in Abilene

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Mark Celibate
02-16-2021, 09:40 AM
178, 000 people live in Abilene

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Must be a typo. Is this Abilene, Nigeria? Certainly that wouldn't happen to the great ol state of Texas

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 09:51 AM
Some commercial buildings have data centers that people remote in to. I couldn't work today as an engineer.Texas “getting to work” is a stupid priority right now.

Chad.
02-16-2021, 10:05 AM
Bossman here. Working remote from Florida but have a company I manage in TX. Workers are whining about icy streets and not having power. Told them they better get to the office or I'm canning their a$$. The show must go on

Chad.
02-16-2021, 10:05 AM
Texas “getting to work” is a stupid priority right now.

Bossman here. Working remote from Florida but have a company I manage in TX. Workers are whining about icy streets and not having power. Told them they better get to the office or I'm canning their a$$. The show must go on.

Adam Lambert
02-16-2021, 10:18 AM
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Winehole23
02-16-2021, 11:04 AM
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Winehole23
02-16-2021, 11:08 AM
In Texas, where 25GW of wind capacity feeds into the state's main power grid, wind can sometimes produce as much as 60% of total electricity. But because wind power tends to ebb in the winter, the grid operator typically assumes that the turbines will generate only about 19% to 43% of their maximum output.
Even so, wind generation has actually exceeded the grid operator's daily forecast through the weekend. Solar power has been slightly below forecast on Monday.

"The performance of wind and solar is way down the list among the smaller factors in the disaster that we're facing," Daniel Cohan, associate professor of environmental engineering at Rice University, said in an interview. Blaming renewables for the blackouts "is really a red herring".

That does not mean that frozen turbines are playing no role in the energy crisis, which the grid operator has highlighted. Cody Moore, head of gas and power trading at Mercuria Energy America, noted that wind generation this week is down markedly this week from last week, possibly indicating that turbines are automatically shutting down due to ice.

"We are seeing wind generation down 60% week-over-week," said Matt Hoza, manager of energy analysis at BTU Analytics. But wind and solar that are operating "are in a very advantageous position" as power prices have topped US$1,000 a megawatt-hour.

The situation raises questions about the grid's preparedness. "Grid demand is so much higher than we've really built the system for in the wintertime," said Joshua Rhodes, a research associate at the University of Texas at Austin.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 11:33 AM
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monosylab1k
02-16-2021, 12:16 PM
https://twitter.com/jacobradkins/status/1361584876995162117?s=21

brb looking for my copy of votingrepublican.jpeg

monosylab1k
02-16-2021, 12:27 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1361541920858718209?s=21

Xevious
02-16-2021, 01:32 PM
I'm living in an apartment on a short-term basis because we're between houses, and that place is beyond fucked. Was getting electricity for maybe 5 minutes an hour up until yesterday evening. Now we've been without power for >12 hours. We haven't had water for two days. Yesterday I saw multiple water lines (completely uninsulated) to several buildings that had burst and were spewing water into the street. The fire alarms were tripped this morning and sprinklers were spraying water in some of the units. The fire dept won't touch anything, saying it's the apartment's responsibility to troubleshoot their own shit. The apartment won't answer the phones or respond to any repair requests. Last night they sent out an automated email saying to keep our heat on and faucets dripping to avoid pipes busting. It also went on to say that any unreported damage from the storm will be the financial responsibility of the tenants.

We packed a bag and are currently at my parent's house, who have not lost power at all and have their own well for water.

Adam Lambert
02-16-2021, 02:31 PM
https://twitter.com/jacobradkins/status/1361584876995162117?s=21

brb looking for my copy of votingrepublican.jpeg

I've seen this going around but it's pretty misleading.

For one thing, their drawings of the boundaries aren't accurate... HP goes several blocks west of the Tollway where several of those outages are showing up, and those are some of the wealthiest parts of the area. And the outages also haven't appeared to spare Preston Hollow which is where the real gazillionaires live.

What would be interesting to understand is how much power is going to business areas at the expense of residential. I live near Greenville Ave and our area hasn't lost power at all. But out in the neighborhoods in Lakewood, pretty much everyone we know has lost power for a long time.

ElNono
02-16-2021, 03:12 PM
Any rich enough company has pretty giant generators... can't say that's what's going on there, but figured it's important to point out.

CosmicCowboy
02-16-2021, 03:36 PM
Houses and apartments on the same grid block as "essential" hospitals are safe from power outages.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 03:57 PM
If power generators did this to avoid paying spot prices for oil and gas, anyone who knew and didn’t resign on the spot should go to prison.

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Winehole23
02-16-2021, 04:06 PM
In case y’all didn’t catch that, they just raised your utility bill.

GAustex
02-16-2021, 04:09 PM
Houses and apartments on the same grid block as "essential" hospitals are safe from power outages.

That may explain me. I am close to 2 hospitals

DMC
02-16-2021, 04:20 PM
In case y’all didn’t catch that, they just raised your utility bill.

Beats ruptured water pipes and freezing to death

Trainwreck2100
02-16-2021, 04:22 PM
Beats ruptured water pipes and freezing to death

Shouldnt have been an issue if they didnt shut themselves down to save a few bucks

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 04:23 PM
Beats ruptured water pipes and freezing to deathSure.

Capital improvements will take years tho.

DMC
02-16-2021, 04:26 PM
Shouldnt have been an issue if they didnt shut themselves down to save a few bucks

As soon as Joe shuts down the oil industry, natural gas won't be an issue :tu

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 04:27 PM
If power generators did this to avoid paying spot prices for oil and gas, anyone who knew and didn’t resign on the spot should go to prison.

1361713341786374153I found a better explanation, it ‘s still a pretty bad regulatory failure.

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DMC
02-16-2021, 04:29 PM
Sure.

Capital improvements will take years tho.

That's another bridge.

ChumpDumper
02-16-2021, 04:29 PM
As soon as Joe shuts down the oil industry, natural gas won't be an issue :tu

When did he say he would do that?

TeyshaBlue
02-16-2021, 04:32 PM
In case y’all didn’t catch that, they just raised your utility bill.

No problem. Rolling payments ftw.

DMC
02-16-2021, 04:33 PM
I found a better explanation, it ‘s still a pretty bad regulatory failure.

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If the concept is to force those people who did not lose power to better regulate usage, that's cool with me. If it was just to grab money, not so much.

DMC
02-16-2021, 04:36 PM
When did he say he would do that?

I guess I need blue font for you. :lol

boutons_deux
02-16-2021, 04:39 PM
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/weather/2021/02/16/ercot-says-they-have-no-idea-when-texas-power-outages-will-end

ChumpDumper
02-16-2021, 04:57 PM
I guess I need blue font for you. :lol
CC said it's true. You Trump supporters end up saying that he same things most of the time.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 04:59 PM
Texas Gas Service says there might be outages.

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Winehole23
02-16-2021, 05:16 PM
Austin Energy cuts power to area factories. One would imagine that was negotiated.

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CosmicCowboy
02-16-2021, 05:20 PM
CC said it's true. You Trump supporters end up saying that he same things most of the time.

Go to the biden/harris website. What do you think 100% clean energy means? Its right there in black and white, chump.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 05:34 PM
Go to the biden/harris website. What do you think 100% clean energy means? Its right there in black and white, chump.Sounds more aspirational than propositional. Nothing in there about a Joe Biden ban on anything.

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

Blake
02-16-2021, 05:42 PM
I was without electricity for 26 of the last 28 hours. Finally got it back. House at 45 degrees. Now I gotta work extra this weekend to make up for missing today.

Thanks Texas :tu

CosmicCowboy
02-16-2021, 05:45 PM
I was without electricity for 26 of the last 28 hours. Finally got it back. House at 45 degrees. Now I gotta work extra this weekend to make up for missing today.

Thanks Texas :tu

I'm paying all my guys to stay home.

CosmicCowboy
02-16-2021, 05:46 PM
Sounds more aspirational than propositional. Nothing in there about a Joe Biden ban on anything.

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/





Ask New Mexico how aspirational it was.

Blake
02-16-2021, 05:48 PM
I'm paying all my guys to stay home.

Yeah I told my pilot he could take the paid day off and sleep in the G7 if he needed to

SnakeBoy
02-16-2021, 05:50 PM
Texas electric grid operator says frozen wind turbines are hampering state's power output: report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-electric-grid-operator-says-frozen-wind-turbines-are-hampering-state-s-power-output-report/ar-BB1dHSyR

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 05:52 PM
Ask New Mexico how aspirational it was.Ask New Mexico about what, please? I’m not a mind reader.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 05:53 PM
Texas electric grid operator says frozen wind turbines are hampering state's power output: report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-electric-grid-operator-says-frozen-wind-turbines-are-hampering-state-s-power-output-report/ar-BB1dHSyRIt’s hilarious that you’re emphasizing a problem that’s ~1/60th the magnitude of oil and natural gas shortfalls.

RD2191
02-16-2021, 05:57 PM
Republican shithole Texas. :lol bUt wE cAn bE OuR oWn cOunTry

CosmicCowboy
02-16-2021, 05:58 PM
Ask New Mexico about what, please? I’m not a mind reader.

Shutting down oil and gas in New Mexico. Its almost all on fed land. No more leases.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 06:04 PM
Shutting down oil and gas in New Mexico. Its almost all on fed land. No more leases.No new leases on “almost” all federal land isn’t a ban on oil and gas infrastructure, it’s a ban on new infrastructure, limited to federal land. For sure that’s going to hit western states harder, what have the ill effects for NM been?

Trainwreck2100
02-16-2021, 06:09 PM
I was without electricity for 26 of the last 28 hours. Finally got it back. House at 45 degrees. Now I gotta work extra this weekend to make up for missing today.

Thanks Texas :tu

My apartment stuck at 45, no power

ChumpDumper
02-16-2021, 06:09 PM
Go to the biden/harris website. What do you think 100% clean energy means? Its right there in black and white, chump.Show me where they say they're getting rid of natural gas.

It's that simple, CC.

If you can't, admit you made it up.

ChumpDumper
02-16-2021, 06:10 PM
Texas electric grid operator says frozen wind turbines are hampering state's power output: report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-electric-grid-operator-says-frozen-wind-turbines-are-hampering-state-s-power-output-report/ar-BB1dHSyRNot as much as the gas, coal and nuclear.

Don't be disingenuous.

CosmicCowboy
02-16-2021, 06:20 PM
Show me where they say they're getting rid of natural gas.

It's that simple, CC.

If you can't, admit you made it up.

LOL. You really suck at this. 100% CLEAN ENERGY DOESNT INCLUDE NATURAL GAS. give it up, chump.

ChumpDumper
02-16-2021, 06:22 PM
LOL. You really suck at this. 100% CLEAN ENERGY DOESNT INCLUDE NATURAL GAS. give it up, chump.Show me where they say it doesn't.

You admit you made it up.:tu

CosmicCowboy
02-16-2021, 06:39 PM
:lmao @ Chumps forum masturbation. Later, jerkoff.

ChumpDumper
02-16-2021, 06:40 PM
:lmao @ Chumps forum masturbation. Later, jerkoff.:lol CC's white flag. Later, Trump supporter.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 06:43 PM
Winter storm warning tonight, more bad weather likely Wed PM-Th AM for Austin/SA, ERCOT has asked Texas cities to shed more power today.


The state corporation in control of Texas' electric grid asked Austin Energy and other providers Tuesday morning to shed more power, underscoring the gravity of the on-going electricity situation, but local officials warned that doing so could mean pulling the plug on circuits used to power critical infrastructure such as hospitals and emergency response stations.https://www.statesman.com/story/weather/2021/02/16/live-austin-tx-weather-updates-latest-winter-forecast-snow-freeze-rain/6761705002/

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 06:45 PM
CosmicCowboy:

If a policy paper leaves terms undefined, does that mean you get to define them however you want?

spurraider21
02-16-2021, 07:22 PM
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DarrinS
02-16-2021, 07:28 PM
1361477444746813440


Might want to fix the roof

SnakeBoy
02-16-2021, 07:44 PM
1361477444746813440

Looks like he kept his water dripping as instructed

Spurtacular
02-16-2021, 08:16 PM
My consistent outage has been off for an hour on for exactly five minutes. Just enough to microwave a cup of coffee. Can't even fire up the keurig. I went to my car to charge our phones.

Poor cuckold reaping what he sews.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/806/056/original/c78ebb69936b83cb.jpeg

Blake
02-16-2021, 08:18 PM
My apartment stuck at 45, no power

Jeez

Blake
02-16-2021, 08:18 PM
Poor cuckold reaping what he sews.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/806/056/original/c78ebb69936b83cb.jpeg

Someone ban this fool already

Spurtacular
02-16-2021, 08:22 PM
Someone ban this fool already

Make sure you have a blanket for your corner, blakey.

Trill Clinton
02-16-2021, 08:23 PM
Republican shithole Texas. :lol bUt wE cAn bE OuR oWn cOunTry

Tbh

Spurtacular
02-16-2021, 08:27 PM
Republican shithole Texas. :lol bUt wE cAn bE OuR oWn cOunTry


Tbh

Move to New York or California.

Can't cos you're too poor? :lol :lmao :rollin

RD2191
02-16-2021, 08:35 PM
Move to New York or California.

Can't cos you're too poor? :lol :lmao :rollin
Why would I move to prove I have money?

Spurtacular
02-16-2021, 08:38 PM
Why would I move to prove I have money?

Big money? Did you get Spurs season seats in the upper bowl?

Blake
02-16-2021, 08:43 PM
Big money? Did you get Spurs season seats in the upper bowl?

Your mom is about to make you meatloaf isn't she.

Just go away already, derp

vy65
02-16-2021, 08:51 PM
If power generators did this to avoid paying spot prices for oil and gas, anyone who knew and didn’t resign on the spot should go to prison.

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X1000000000

vy65
02-16-2021, 08:57 PM
There’s absolutely no excuse for any of this. The executive team at ERCOT should have resigned by now, but won’t. Instead, their c suite will continue to take the hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation while the state becomes a literal third world country. And the idiot electorate won’t do anything to vote out the republican de-regulation state leadership that allows ERCOT to not institute controls on energy producers of place contingency plans for clearly predictable emergencies.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 09:08 PM
There’s absolutely no excuse for any of this. The executive team at ERCOT should have resigned by now, but won’t. Instead, their c suite will continue to take the hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation while the state becomes a literal third world country. And the idiot electorate won’t do anything to vote out the republican de-regulation state leadership that allows ERCOT to not institute controls on energy producers of place contingency plans for clearly predictable emergencies.:tu

Power companies failure to invest in Texas’s infrastructure and generating capacity also figure in, but you’re right that the responsibility the outages for lies with ERCOT, which failed to plan for the problem or manage it when it got here.

ElNono
02-16-2021, 09:09 PM
Poor cuckold reaping what he sews.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/806/056/original/c78ebb69936b83cb.jpeg

Biden didn't ban oil and gas, simply put a moratorium on new leases in federal property.

In other words, Lauren hit and miss, and you ate fake news again.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 09:09 PM
Texas produces more energy than any US state. 4 million Texans have no power tonight.

Blake
02-16-2021, 09:11 PM
Aaaaaaaand my power just went out again

Spurtacular
02-16-2021, 09:16 PM
Aaaaaaaand my power just went out again

Look at the bright side. More low income houses that can't be powered are being built.

RandomGuy

Adam Lambert
02-16-2021, 09:27 PM
Might want to fix the roof

Apartment renters don't typically fix the roofs in the hallway of their complex.

vy65
02-16-2021, 09:29 PM
Texas produces more energy than any US state. 4 million Texans have no power tonight.

This. It is one of the main sources of natural gas for the world but somehow is unable to convert massive nat gas reserves to ensure each of its citizens has heat to keep from freezing. This is what a failed state looks like.

boutons_deux
02-16-2021, 09:35 PM
This. It is one of the main sources of natural gas for the world but somehow is unable to convert massive nat gas reserves to ensure each of its citizens has heat to keep from freezing. This is what a failed state looks like.

The Texas cowboys gas lines are not insulated so the very low temperature has dropped the pressure and the pumps can't keep up but also temperature sensitive instrumentation and process control devices have been fucked up on coal and nuclear plants they must be all engineers from Texas A&m

boutons_deux
02-16-2021, 09:36 PM
Never let a disaster go to waste and I'm sure when we get past this week puc/ercot Will get their revenge out of our pockets

Adam Lambert
02-16-2021, 09:39 PM
How many Republicans so far have blamed the shutdown of the Keystone Pipeline for this?

pgardn
02-16-2021, 09:40 PM
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Might want to fix the roof


Looks like he kept his water dripping as instructed

He kept his apartment dripping with water from above?
the roof = his roof but he does not own it because the apartment complex does...

Even if this is fake the responses are astounding.
I must have missed something long before this I guess.
Or are you guys for real?

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 09:40 PM
In context

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spurraider21
02-16-2021, 09:52 PM
damn, didnt realize there were big outages in virginia too. we've ducked it so far.

boutons_deux
02-16-2021, 10:02 PM
https://newrepublic.com/article/161386/conservatives-wind-turbines-killing-people-texas-blackouts

SpursforSix
02-16-2021, 10:06 PM
Aren’t we adult enough not to have to censor “tit”?

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 10:07 PM
Texas electric grid operator says frozen wind turbines are hampering state's power output: report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-electric-grid-operator-says-frozen-wind-turbines-are-hampering-state-s-power-output-report/ar-BB1dHSyRIt’s almost like there was a preestablished narrative.

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vy65
02-16-2021, 10:14 PM
It’s almost like there was a preestablished narrative.

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Fossil fuel groups and their Republican allies blamed the power failures on frozen wind turbines and warned against the supposed dangers of alternative power sources. Some turbines did in fact freeze — though Greenland and other northern outposts are able to keep theirs going through the winter.

But wind accounts for just 10 percent of the power in Texas generated during the winter. And the loss of power to the grid caused by shutdowns of thermal power plants, primarily those relying on natural gas, dwarfed the dent caused by frozen wind turbines, by a factor of five or six.

https://apple.news/AiNhNLOlMQoaQceIgQKTQAw

vy65
02-16-2021, 10:20 PM
Although temporary, one factor that may have hurt was that the sudden high wholesale price of electricity may have caused ERCOT’s computers to order companies to “shed load” — that is, cut off customers — rather than deal with the spike in costs.

The state’s Public Utilities Commission ordered ERCOT on Monday to allow for those high prices. They almost certainly will not last long, as temperatures are already rising. The cost of that electricity, at least in the short run, probably will fall most heavily on the retail utilities.

Disgusting if true. There should be criminal charges filed against the Texas PUC and ERCOT for their response to this.

CosmicCowboy
02-16-2021, 10:27 PM
I'm pretty confident that when the smoke clears it will be the independent power producers that got caught with their pants down unhedged against Ng price spikes that shut down instead of losing their ass. I agree its wrong and we need to fix it.

Adam Lambert
02-16-2021, 10:32 PM
Although temporary, one factor that may have hurt was that the sudden high wholesale price of electricity may have caused ERCOT’s computers to order companies to “shed load” — that is, cut off customers — rather than deal with the spike in costs.

The state’s Public Utilities Commission ordered ERCOT on Monday to allow for those high prices. They almost certainly will not last long, as temperatures are already rising. The cost of that electricity, at least in the short run, probably will fall most heavily on the retail utilities.

Disgusting if true. There should be criminal charges filed against the Texas PUC and ERCOT for their response to this.

Hooray for unfettered capitalism.

Socialize energy now.

Ef-man
02-16-2021, 10:32 PM
damn, didnt realize there were big outages in virginia too. we've ducked it so far.

More down trees taking power lines in Virginia but no rolling blackouts.

No major power outages that I have read or experienced.

DMC
02-16-2021, 10:35 PM
CC said it's true. You Trump supporters end up saying that he same things most of the time.
Take it up with him, idiot.

SpursforSix
02-16-2021, 10:38 PM
I'm pretty confident that when the smoke clears it will be the independent power producers that got caught with their pants down unhedged against Ng price spikes that shut down instead of losing their ass. I agree its wrong and we need to fix it.

I’d be shocked if the producers hadn’t hedged and loaded up on cheap NG for at least a couple of years. What would be criminal is if they sold those hedges and took profit instead of delivery. And then refused to buy in the spot market.

ElNono
02-16-2021, 10:42 PM
In context

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How about Chicago though? I mean, Oregon!

DMC
02-16-2021, 10:50 PM
It's an historic winter storm. Some issues expected.

Spurtacular
02-16-2021, 10:52 PM
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/901/796/original/bdb45a6460d1987c.jpeg

daboom1
02-16-2021, 10:55 PM
https://i.ibb.co/47DTS1J/IMG-20210216-215423.jpg

DarrinS
02-16-2021, 11:14 PM
It's an historic winter storm. Some issues expected.

Yep.

San Antonio has no snow plows. For good reason

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 11:26 PM
It's an historic winter storm. Some issues expected.it’s hitting a lot of other states too, but the problem is orders of magnitude worse here for some reason.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 11:29 PM
Yep.

San Antonio has no snow plows. For good reasonHorrible analogy, it hit -30-40 in Minnesota this week but their their gas plants didn’t go off line. People don’t freeze to death if you don’t plow the roadway or perish in their cars trying to warm up.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 11:33 PM
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DarrinS
02-16-2021, 11:50 PM
Horrible analogy, it hit -30-40 in Minnesota this week but their their gas plants didn’t go off line. People don’t freeze to death if you don’t plow the roadway or perish in their cars trying to warm up.


So, this event wouldn't be historic for MN.

I think most of our fatalities during this event are vehicle accidents. I could be wrong.

Winehole23
02-16-2021, 11:56 PM
Piedras Negras is doing alright, but Eagle Pass/Carrizo Springs is fucked. Too bad we can’t buy any electricity from them.

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NASpurs
02-17-2021, 12:22 AM
The grid is in danger of going down for "a month". Fuck

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DarrinS
02-17-2021, 12:26 AM
The grid is in danger of going down for "a month". Fuck

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I doubt that

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 12:59 AM
So, this event wouldn't be historic for MN.In a state of more than 29 million people, public utilities need to have a good plan for stuff that happens one or twice per century.

ERCOT fouled up, not that you care (you just minimized it),probably because you have heat and hot water tonight and that's all that matters, right?

Adam Lambert
02-17-2021, 01:01 AM
Money over lives. Every time.

Spurtacular
02-17-2021, 01:03 AM
Money over lives. Every time.

Don't get cryptic, sadbert. You're not that interesting.

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 01:03 AM
40% of Texas power capacity was online as of Tuesday AM

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Adam Lambert
02-17-2021, 01:05 AM
Don't get cryptic, sadbert. You're not that interesting.

That's only cryptic if your literacy level is "Hop on Pop" and below.

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 01:26 AM
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Winehole23
02-17-2021, 01:28 AM
I doubt thatWhy would ERCOT misrepresent/exaggerate that?

ChumpDumper
02-17-2021, 02:04 AM
Take it up with him, idiot.

I'm taking it up with all you Trump supporters.

Spurtacular
02-17-2021, 02:46 AM
I'm taking it up with all you Trump supporters.

How many times does the dude have to tell you he voted for Biden?

Spurtacular
02-17-2021, 02:48 AM
That's only cryptic if your literacy level is "Hop on Pop" and below.

Don't do humor, sadbert. You're not funny either.

ChumpDumper
02-17-2021, 05:04 AM
How many times does the dude have to tell you he voted for Biden?lol you didn't even vote.

Power was out here a total of 49.5 hours.

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 07:55 AM
lol you didn't even vote.

Power was out here a total of 49.5 hours.Ours came back on too, we're baking out at 60°F in this house, it feels great.

TheCultOfPersonality
02-17-2021, 08:49 AM
Damn!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasBlackGG/status/1361477444746813440

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 08:52 AM
Lesson not learned from 2011: failure to winterize.

The weakness of the system was well known nine years ago but was not fixed, because energy producers, regulators and politicians put energy company profits ahead of the lives and safety of Texans.


The actions of the entities in calling for and carrying out the rolling blackouts were largely effective and timely. However, the massive amount of generator failures that were experienced raises the question whether it would have been helpful to increase reserve levels going into the event. This action would have brought more units online earlier, might have prevented some of the freezing problems the generators experienced, and could have exposed operational problems in time to implement corrections before the units were needed to meet customer demand.


The February event underscores the need to have sufficient black start units available, particularly in the face of an anticipated severe weather event. In ERCOT’s case, for instance, nearly half of its black start units were either on scheduled outage at the time of the event or failed during the event itself, jeopardizing the utility’s ability to promptly restore the system had an uncontrolled, ERCOT-wide blackout occurred.


The majority of the problems experienced by the many generators that tripped, suffered derates, or failed to start during the event were attributable, either directly or indirectly, to the cold weather itself. For the Southwest as a whole, 67 percent of the generator failures (by MWh) were due directly to weather-related causes, including frozen sensing lines, frozen equipment, frozen water lines, frozen valves, blade icing, low temperature cutoff limits, and the like. .

https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05/ReportontheSouthwestColdWeatherEventfromFebruary20 11Report.pdf

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 09:13 AM
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monosylab1k
02-17-2021, 09:15 AM
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/901/796/original/bdb45a6460d1987c.jpeg

https://twitter.com/willmcavoyacn/status/1361859086409678853?s=21

DMC
02-17-2021, 09:20 AM
The operation of wind turbines in a cold climate such as Canada’s involves additional challenges not present in warmer locations, such as:

Accumulation of ice on wind turbine blades resulting in reduced power output and increased rotor loads;
Cold weather shutdown to prevent equipment failure; and
Limited or reduced access for maintenance activities.
Based on actual measurements, icing can occur up to 20% of the time between the months of November and April. Wind turbines must therefore be able to sustain at least limited icing without incurring damage that would prevent normal operation.

Wind turbine manufacturers are increasingly recognizing the impacts of cold climate operation and are building turbines better equipped to handle winter conditions. With the installation of “cold weather packages” which provide heating to turbine components such as the gearbox, yaw and pitch motors and battery, some turbines can operate in temperatures down to -30C.

Various types of rotor blade de-icing and anti-icing mechanisms, such as heating and water-resistant coatings are currently being employed, as well as operational strategies to limit ice accumulation.

However, it isn’t clear which cold climate solutions deliver the highest performance while still being cost-effective, making this an active area of research. The frequency, severity and type of icing event varies significantly by region, meaning that mitigation methods need to be tailored to local conditions. Different manufacturers’ turbines may also be more or less suited to particular solutions. Improving the accuracy of ice detection and forecasting systems represent another avenue for minimizing cold climate losses.

The goals of CanmetENERGY-Ottawa (CE-O)’s cold climate research program are to analyze the impact of cold climate operation on Canadian wind energy generation and to support the development of targeted solutions to improve cold weather performance.

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/energy-sources-distribution/renewables/wind-energy/wind-energy-cold-climates/7321

I highly doubt Texas turbines have cold weather packages. Sounds like a business opportunity.

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 09:21 AM
Narrative changed overnight, the problem didn’t.

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DMC
02-17-2021, 09:26 AM
Narrative changed overnight, the problem didn’t.

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Could be part of same narrative - wind power, even if it's only 10% of the total Texas power capacity, will strain the system if it goes down during a maximum demand event as it puts too much stress on other sources. If some of those sources cannot come on line because they weren't winterized - were shut down due to costs of maintenance vs price per kwh, then we could get where we are now. Hopefully some legislation creates a better scenario but I don't envision it happening in this decade.

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 09:36 AM
Could be part of same narrative - wind power, even if it's only 10% of the total Texas power capacity, will strain the system if it goes down during a maximum demand event as it puts too much stress on other sources. If some of those sources cannot come on line because they weren't winterized - were shut down due to costs of maintenance vs price per kwh, then we could get where we are now. Hopefully some legislation creates a better scenario but I don't envision it happening in this decade.It could be part of the same narrative but it isn’t. Abbott was mugging for the TV audience last night, imputing the nuance in your reply to the Gov would be a big reach.

ChumpDumper
02-17-2021, 09:43 AM
lol Trump supporter supporting the Trumpista narrative.

Power is back out. What a glorious four hours.

boutons_deux
02-17-2021, 09:46 AM
The problem wasn't wind turbines

the problem was wind turbines that weren't correctly fully maintained,

then incompetently operated buy a bunch of f****** Texas Cowboys

other countries like Scotland Denmark Sweden have a lot colder climates and tons more wind turbines and don't have the shitstorm the Texas has

always the same problem with United States operating under the hubris what it knows everything better than everybody else and learns nothing from nobody else

DMC
02-17-2021, 09:52 AM
It could be part of the same narrative but it isn’t. Abbott was mugging for the TV audience last night, imputing the nuance in your reply to the Gov would be a big reach.

Is this fact or your opinion?

DMC
02-17-2021, 09:53 AM
It could be part of the same narrative but it isn’t. Abbott was mugging for the TV audience last night, imputing the nuance in your reply to the Gov would be a big reach.

Is this fact or your opinion?

Trill Clinton
02-17-2021, 09:55 AM
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Winehole23
02-17-2021, 10:32 AM
Is this fact or your opinion?It’s a fact that Gov Abbott was addressing a national TV audience last night and that his subsequent tweet was aimed at Texans.

if you’re asking whether wind/solar energy are part of the mix regardless of context, that’s not disputed by anyone afaik.

Spurs Homer
02-17-2021, 10:33 AM
When this shit started we gathered containers and filled them with snow

now we have water for “force-flushing” toilets and buckets to wash yo ass
(Apart from drinking water)

havent had running water for days and electricity once every 12 hours which lasts for an hour at a time (1 hr on-12 hrs OFF)

but we believe in “small gubmint”. And. (Gubmint is the problem so lets de-regulate and privatize everything”


shithole texas

Frenchfred
02-17-2021, 10:50 AM
https://twitter.com/willmcavoyacn/status/1361859086409678853?s=21

funny when most of the problems come from the gas and coal plants being shut down

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 10:50 AM
lol Trump supporter supporting the Trumpista narrative.

Power is back out. What a glorious four hours.
Are we rotating now?

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 10:58 AM
Putting energy companies ahead of the public is an ideological choice. Like many policy choices, it has life and death consequences.

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DMC
02-17-2021, 11:08 AM
The uneducated opinions flow freely here :lol

Wind turbines up north get cold weather packages, obviously not for free else they'd all have it regardless. How many Texans own a snow plow attachment for their trucks? Not many, but up North a lot of citizens have the equivalent of cold weather packages on their vehicles. They have block warmers, heaters that don't rely on engine temp to produce heat, high idle adjustments, power converters in their vehicles, snow plow packages, etc... They have snow shovels in their garages. They have basements to keep their water pipes from freezing and they can actually get to the pipes to insulate them and/or heat their basement with fuel oil. Many have emergency power in the form of generators. Homes are build and insulated for those conditions. People prepare for the environment they live in, not the once in a lifetime anomaly that could possibly occur. I don't own a snow plow or a snow shovel. Hell, I don't own an ice scraper. Every car I rent north of the frost line has an ice scraper inside. Try getting that in Florida.

So if Texas would winter proof all their buildings, residences, power plants and solar/wind systems, they'd be prepared for these once in a lifetime events. Notably I also don't have a bomb shelter.

Blake
02-17-2021, 11:21 AM
So, this event wouldn't be historic for MN.

I think most of our fatalities during this event are vehicle accidents. I could be wrong.

Well yeah as long as less people died from being frozen inside their own homes, we're ok

NASpurs
02-17-2021, 11:33 AM
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Winehole23
02-17-2021, 11:43 AM
The uneducated opinions flow freely here :lol

Wind turbines up north get cold weather packages, obviously not for free else they'd all have it regardless. How many Texans own a snow plow attachment for their trucks? Not many, but up North a lot of citizens have the equivalent of cold weather packages on their vehicles. They have block warmers, heaters that don't rely on engine temp to produce heat, high idle adjustments, power converters in their vehicles, snow plow packages, etc... They have snow shovels in their garages. They have basements to keep their water pipes from freezing and they can actually get to the pipes to insulate them and/or heat their basement with fuel oil. Many have emergency power in the form of generators. Homes are build and insulated for those conditions. People prepare for the environment they live in, not the once in a lifetime anomaly that could possibly occur. I don't own a snow plow or a snow shovel. Hell, I don't own an ice scraper. Every car I rent north of the frost line has an ice scraper inside. Try getting that in Florida.

So if Texas would winter proof all their buildings, residences, power plants and solar/wind systems, they'd be prepared for these once in a lifetime events. Notably I also don't have a bomb shelter.Major outages happen in Texas about once every ten years. That' s too often.

I agree that the consumer side can be improved for energy efficiency too, it's simplistic to put all the emphasis on public utilities and the regulators, even though they bear the primary responsibility for the debacle.

monosylab1k
02-17-2021, 11:50 AM
So if Texas would winter proof all their buildings, residences, power plants and solar/wind systems, they'd be prepared for these once in a lifetime events.

It’s happened 3 times in the last 10 years.


The uneducated opinions flow freely here :lol

Indeed :lmao

Fat Brandon Bass
02-17-2021, 11:53 AM
The amount of semen-shielding by the Texas bubbas for Abbot is embarrassing. :cry please don't say anything mean about my Jewish Republican overlords :cry I will gladly freeze to death so that they can cut corners and get a big bonus :cry

I just saw some retard post a photo of a helicopter deicing a Wind Turbine using the hurr durr "we need fossil fuels to get us out of this mess talking point"...and the photo was years ago in Sweden. Abbot literally said offline, that the natural gas going offline is what caused this outage. These guys literally chose not to insulate the pipes to save money (on critical infrastructure nonetheless, it's not like we're talking about Cable TV), so that when sh!t hits the fan people literally freezing to death is ok as long as we save money. Yet the bootlickers will perpetually be sheep blindly led to the slaughter

tbh I'm convinced that if Greg Abbot were to (figuratively) walk into their house and start banging their sister, these guys would retreat shamelessly to the computer by the bed and rant about how bad California is imo

Trill Clinton
02-17-2021, 11:58 AM
Damn

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baseline bum
02-17-2021, 11:59 AM
lol Trump supporter supporting the Trumpista narrative.

Power is back out. What a glorious four hours.

Our shithole power grid can't even handle a 35 degree day now. Still keep losing power over the kind of temperatures I go hiking in a T-shirt and shorts in.

florige
02-17-2021, 12:20 PM
i hope all you guys make out. i know the feeling of losing power. We are scheduled for another ice storm here in MD tomorrow morning into Friday. Hopefully we don't lose power because my apt is in the basement.

hater
02-17-2021, 12:22 PM
If ur power system breaks down due to 30 degree cold then you have a shit system. Plain and simple.

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 12:25 PM
If ur power system breaks down due to 30 degree cold then you have a shit system. Plain and simple.lol that’s not what happened

same old shoot from the hip, low information hater. :lol

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 12:33 PM
I have a working guillotine in my backyard, no need to save it for a special occasion. Grip it and rip it.

:flipoff Pinche Prick Perry

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hater
02-17-2021, 12:33 PM
lol that’s not what happened

same old shoot from the hip, low information hater. :lol

Was responding to baseline who literally said that, Nancy

:lol

florige
02-17-2021, 12:35 PM
:flipoff

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While i bet he is somewhere snug and warm.

hater
02-17-2021, 12:36 PM
Our shithole power grid can't even handle a 35 degree day now. Still keep losing power over the kind of temperatures I go hiking in a T-shirt and shorts in.

:lol Nancy

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 12:37 PM
Was responding to baseline who literally said that, Nancy

:lolBB was talking about today, 30 weather didn’t cause the problem, extreme temperatures and a winter storm did that.

leemajors
02-17-2021, 12:39 PM
I just got power back (for now), was out since Monday at 1am. Lost water at the same time, but filled my tub and some other large containers.

baseline bum
02-17-2021, 12:39 PM
Damn

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Trill going in hard, hitting Texas like a forty degree day.

baseline bum
02-17-2021, 12:40 PM
BB was talking about today, 30 weather didn’t cause the problem, extreme temperatures and a winter storm did that.

Days in the 20s is hardly extreme temperatures. Still had rolling blackouts here in 2011 without all the snow and ice when we had a day in the 20s.

baseline bum
02-17-2021, 12:43 PM
I have a working guillotine in my backyard, no need to save it for a special occasion. Grip it and rip it.

:flipoff Pinche Prick Perry

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Biden needs to come in take over the power grid, and melt down everyone's guns to build new generators.

Blake
02-17-2021, 12:46 PM
I have a working guillotine in my backyard, no need to save it for a special occasion. Grip it and rip it.

:flipoff Pinche Prick Perry

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SECEDE

baseline bum
02-17-2021, 12:47 PM
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Blake
02-17-2021, 12:48 PM
I lost power last night. I'm now standing in line outside heb hoping they have some groceries. They're letting in like five at a time

hater
02-17-2021, 12:49 PM
I lost power last night. I'm now standing in line outside heb hoping they have some groceries. They're letting in like five at a time

At least u getting the real life experience of living in 70s communist Siberia :lol

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 12:50 PM
Days in the 20s is hardly extreme temperatures. Still had rolling blackouts here in 2011 without all the snow and ice when we had a day in the 20s.The initial blast knocked out 30-40% of statewide generating capacity. Until demand goes down it’ll be hard for utilities to restore service.

At his point there seems to be little to do besides waiting for the weather to change.

DMC
02-17-2021, 12:57 PM
Major outages happen in Texas about once every ten years. That' s too often.

I agree that the consumer side can be improved for energy efficiency too, it's simplistic to put all the emphasis on public utilities and the regulators, even though they bear the primary responsibility for the debacle.

I've been here a long time. Never had 24 hour outage in the winter. Had more in the summer tbh

DMC
02-17-2021, 12:58 PM
At least u getting the real life experience of living in 70s communist Siberia :lol

No pooridge though (sp intentional)

ChumpDumper
02-17-2021, 01:01 PM
Are we rotating now?
Maybe. Hasn't come back on yet though.

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 01:02 PM
I've been here a long time. Never had 24 hour outage in the winter. Had more in the summer tbhNice anecdote :tu

monosylab1k
02-17-2021, 01:04 PM
Nice anecdote :tu

iF iT dIdN’t HaPpEn To mE, tHeN iT dIdN’t HaPpEn aT aLL!

DMC
02-17-2021, 01:10 PM
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So he's being retroactively charged for the beginning of the month? :lol his delivery charges are about as high as my entire bill.

DMC
02-17-2021, 01:11 PM
Nice anecdote :tu

So the anecdote is cool as long as it's from a tweet?

Winehole23
02-17-2021, 01:13 PM
So the anecdote is cool as long as it's from a tweet?You ain’t the state of Texas all by yourself.

Trainwreck2100
02-17-2021, 01:13 PM
I lost power last night. I'm now standing in line outside heb hoping they have some groceries. They're letting in like five at a time

Thank covid i had a supply of non perishables.