Spurs Trade Rumor Thread (Spurs eyeing Collins, Osman? Fielding calls on Jak?)

[MannyIsGod]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33125227/damian-lillard-content-make-decisions-suit-long-haul-slowly-works-way-back-portland-trail-blazers-lineup

Yeah there's no way this dude is coming back this year.

[Rocalcio]

2021 Examples of RFA’s who switched teams:

Lonzo Ball
Markkanen
Devonte Graham
Hinton

It is a short list from a group of over 30+ RFA’s.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Spurs go after Kyle Anderson or Dorian Finney Smith

I would love Kyle to be back.

[Chinook]

Hopefully the Pelicans stay ahead of the Spurs in draft order at this point. I'd love to see SAC and Indy make win-now moves for the same reason. It makes some sense for the Spurs to land a big fish if they can do so cheaply. But besides a Young deal, it makes way more sense to just ride out this season. Next year should be a completely different team if Pop retires.

[spurspl]

POR not likely, they want to keep their pick this year. Keep Jakob and fight with NO for 10 seed or trade him and sink to that bottom 5 record.

fighting for 8-10th seed is the reason why we suck and still dont have young franchise player, why the heck u wanna do the same mistake again and again... typical spurs fan

[KingKev]

They’re actually positioned pretty well, assuming Dame returns for Portland in the relative near future. That would mean that neither Portland, nor New Orleans are tanking, meaning short of some shocking acquisitions, we shouldn’t slip lower that 7th in the standings. That gives us a great shot to jump up.

NO looks to be making a move for the play-in and will be well positioned if Zion returns but Portland is inclined to rest Dame and tank for that 2022 FRP as it is protected 1-14 I believe.

[MannyIsGod]

Portland is 100% tanking. NOP and SAC will definitely try to win now. I think its virtually impossible to pass OKC, HOU, ORL, and DET. Indiana? IDK what they are doing.

[exstatic]

Pretty sure they shut Dame down for the year and their recent trade signals total tank. Especially when they trade CJ and possibly Nurk.

Hadn’t heard he was shut down. Last word was re-eval in like 5 weeks.

[spurspl]

portland gonna keep dame

[RC_Drunkford]

CJ to NOLA for their 2022 first. That should mean we are definitely staying behind them in the draft. The question is if we can lose enough to stay behind the Blazers

[rankingtear]

fighting for 8-10th seed is the reason why we suck and still dont have young franchise player, why the heck u wanna do the same mistake again and again... typical spurs fan

well it's not like what i say matters in the standings. If we keep Jakob and we remain relatively healthy our point differential indicates a play in team.

[KingKev]

Hadn’t heard he was shut down. Last word was re-eval in like 5 weeks.

Dame himself already said he is fine to rest of they want to tank because there is no way they can expect him to go out there and not give 110%.

I know you aren’t much of a fan of his but he is built different. Absolute competitor. One of few players I’d go all in on sans DJ and our 2022 FRP.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah that trade of CJ confirms the Portland tank. Confirms NOLA is trying for the playoffs as well, though.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Portland sent a 1st round pick for Larry Nance not 6 months ago and are now just throwing him to NO as salary ballast. Ugh.

If nobody likes him I'm definitely trying to get him with Juancho's contract.

[duncan2150]

CJ to NOLA for their 2022 first. That should mean we are definitely staying behind them in the draft. The question is if we can lose enough to stay behind the Blazers

And that's a good news for the draft, sours will have a top 10 pick minimum if they are not in the play-in.

Agree with you about Portland, we'll see if they will trade Nurkic or someone else.

[KingKev]

Portland sent a 1st round pick for Larry Nance not 6 months ago and are now just throwing him to NO as salary ballast. Ugh.

If nobody likes him I'm definitely trying to get him with Juancho's contract.

There has to be multiple firsts involved or Portland thinks they can land something major and these trades helped favilitate the next move.

Larry Nance is meh, shown some flashes over the years but Zollins is cheaper, better and higher upside as a backup big.

[exstatic]

Portland sent a 1st round pick for Larry Nance not 6 months ago and are now just throwing him to NO as salary ballast. Ugh.

If nobody likes him I'm definitely trying to get him with Juancho's contract.

He’s got $9.6M due next year, and I’m not sure he’s much better than KBD.

[exstatic]

And that's a good news for the draft, sours will have a top 10 pick minimum if they are not in the play-in.

Agree with you about Portland, we'll see if they will trade Nurkic or someone else.

Buzz was that both sides are interested in Nurkic staying in Portland.

[Atl Spur]

All these horrible moves by front offices league wide but spurs fans stuck on a Carroll mis step years later……. Typical��

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

There has to be multiple firsts involved or Portland thinks they can land something major and these trades helped favilitate the next move.

Just one first - Blazers get it if it's between picks 5 and 14 this year, otherwise it rolls over, no idea about the future protections. Two future seconds as well.


He’s got $9.6M due next year, and I’m not sure he’s much better than KBD.

Last I've watched him he was a good, mobile, positive impact role player. He's a rich man's KBD. I'd understand if the Spurs don't want to dip into the summer's cap space, but his contract should be easily movable unless he's injured for the season or something.

[KingKev]

Buzz was that both sides are interested in Nurkic staying in Portland.

They just gave up alot for very little and are going to use that cap to resign their UFA whose bird rights they hold? Yikes. There have to be more moves coming or more picks involved in the CJ trade.

[Atl Spur]

For all those straddling the fence, go sit at the kids table and let the grownups handle this��

[KingKev]

Just one first - Blazers get it if it's between picks 5 and 14 this year, otherwise it rolls over, no idea about the future protections. Two future seconds as well.



Last I've watched him he was a good, mobile, positive impact role player. He's a rich man's KBD. I'd understand if the Spurs don't want to dip into the summer's cap space, but his contract should be easily movable unless he's injured for the season or something.

Yeah looks like it. Massive salary dump for Portland it appears. They making a run at Harden? He just got representation.

Quick look on my end, if they have no dead cap they have 30+ to play with and a top 10 22pick if they renounce Nurk.

[Atl Spur]

Yeah looks like it. Massive salary dump for Portland it appears. They making a run at Harden? He just got representation.

Harden? Is that a good fit to you?

[Rocalcio]

There has to be multiple firsts involved or Portland thinks they can land something major and these trades helped favilitate the next move.

Larry Nance is meh, shown some flashes over the years but Zollins is cheaper, better and higher upside as a backup big.

I'd be happy with Lance as our starting 4, he's really good at defending. Collins is supposed to play 5, not 4.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yeah looks like it. Massive salary dump for Portland it appears. They making a run at Harden? He just got representation.

Quick look on my end, if they have no dead cap they have 30+ to play with and a top 10 22pick if they renounce Nurk.

Yeah they seem to be happy to get rid of everyone bar Lillard and young players. They have some dead money - they'll be paying Andrew Nicholson until 2023 (for the Demarre fanboys) and they'll have to keep Simons's hold on their cap before they re-sign him but they'll have a max slot open and will probably be very aggressive. Would make free agency even more interesting.

[KingKev]

Harden? Is that a good fit to you?

Not at first glance, but I’m a huge Harden hater. If Dame is still in Portland's future I have no clue what they are doing. This is just me throwing shit on the wall but it’s a somewhat educated guess. Portland is no longer in the run for Simmons after these moves. If Beal opted out he is basically CJ who plays some D.

Who are they targeting in a clear salary dump where they got little assets in return? Ayton and Bridges will be matched. Kyrie, if he opts out is not appealing to anyone.

[exstatic]

Morey must be despondent at this point.

[Chinook]

The issue with Portland going all in is that they don't have their own pick available to trade. Even if they sign Harden or Beal, they can't make the follow-up move to trade seven picks or whatever for that third guy. That's probably a good thing. Best-case scenario for the Blazers is that they win the lottery and have NOP get the sixth pick. That's quite the rebuilding package for a team interested in moving a star, but it doesn't cripple the Blazers long-term if it doesn't work out. I just don't think there's the front-court talent on the market to complement Lillard without just repeating the pairing with McCollum. There are a few defense-first stars in the league, but they don't seem to be available.

[exstatic]

The issue with Portland going all in is that they don't have their own pick available to trade. Even if they sign Harden or Beal, they can't make the follow-up move to trade seven picks or whatever for that third guy. That's probably a good thing. Best-case scenario for the Blazers is that they win the lottery and have NOP get the sixth pick. That's quite the rebuilding package for a team interested in moving a star, but it doesn't cripple the Blazers long-term if it doesn't work out. I just don't think there's the front-court talent on the market to complement Lillard without just repeating the pairing with McCollum. There are a few defense-first stars in the league, but they don't seem to be available.

NOP seems to be interested in moving down, not up, after the trade. Hard to see them land McCollum, and get worse, especially if Zion returns. They can’t draw 6, only 1-4.

[Dverde]

Ohh to watch the Pelicans eliminate Anthony Davis and The Lakers from the play-in game would be gold.

[SPURt]

Ohh to watch the Pelicans eliminate Anthony Davis and The Lakers from the play-in game would be gold.
It’d be even sweeter if they did it without Zion lol, who knows if/when he comes back. The last update I saw was a month ago, so that can’t be good.

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[John B]

:lmao

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Wow that’s dumb. Halliburton could be a very good player for them in a long time. While Sabonis is a slow PF and a tweener C.

[Dejounte]

I don’t remember the trade deadline ever being this active at all.

[mo7888]

I think that's a good trade for indy.... for us Sacramento should finish ahead of us now..

[r0drig0lac]

Sabonis > Haliburton

[Degoat]

Wow did t expect Halliburton to get traded! Interesting stuff going on, lots of activity

[Degoat]

Turner has to be moved next

[Mr. Body]

:lmao

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Wow, two Jeremy Lambs. That's incredible.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t remember the trade deadline ever being this active at all.

Yeah. The league is really flat right now without any clearly dominant teams. The future is pretty open.

[buttsR4rebounding]

:lmao

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I wonder who he meant to put instead of the 2nd Jeremy Lamb.

[r0drig0lac]

I wonder who he meant to put instead of the 2nd Jeremy Lamb.

Justin Holiday

[buttsR4rebounding]

It's Justin Holiday.

[John B]

And Wright’s left with Thad’s contract… let’s go Bryan.

[Leetonidas]

Wow...stunned that Sac picked Fox over Hali

[JuneJive]

Kangz

Dysfunction at its best.

[Mr. Body]

Tyrese Haliburton last 24 games:

17.3 PPG
9.4 APG
2.6 TOV
47/43/87%

He is a career 41.1% shooter from three.

The Kings, man.

Indiana has a good piece for a rebuild.

[John B]

And Morey still holding onto Simmons and could’ve gotten Hali and Heild? That coukd help in East, especially when Nets and Bulls on a downward spiral

[spurspl]

kings XD

[Atl Spur]

The day keeps getting better��������

[spurraider21]

im glad we didnt trade for sabonis if that was the asking price :lol

[stephen jackson]

Maybe turner

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Charlotte will now find their starting center in Richaun Holmes, surely.

[John B]

So is Kings still tanking after this move? I really don’t understand this move, when they could’ve added another young PF to their core this draft

[MannyIsGod]

So is Kings still tanking after this move? I really don’t understand this move, when they could’ve added another young PF to their core this draft

The kings haven't been tanking at all this season. They just suck. This definitely helps them improve but keeping Fox over Haliburton is a really iffy move imo. Still, I think that's a good trade for both parties.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Really like this trade for Indiana. Wonder if they insisted on Hield instead of Barnes, who would have fit them way better. Perhaps they can flip him for a starting 3/4 in the summer.

[MannyIsGod]

Really like this trade for Indiana. Wonder if they insisted on Hield instead of Barnes, who would have fit them way better. Perhaps they can flip him for a starting 3/4 in the summer.

I'm pretty sure Sac wanted to keep Barnes over Hield. They've been trying to trade Buddy for years.

[Dex]

im glad we didnt trade for sabonis if that was the asking price :lol

Yeah, they probably wanted something like a combination of Poeltl + Walker or White + picks or another guard....sorry, Sabonis ain't worth it.

[Dejounte]

ThE KiNgS hAvE sO mUcH mOrE tAlEnt thAn uS

[John B]

The kings haven't been tanking at all this season. They just suck. This definitely helps them improve but keeping Fox over Haliburton is a really iffy move imo. Still, I think that's a good trade for both parties.

So Kings could win more games with Sabonis, and put Spurs as 6th worst team.

[LeBowen]

So is Kings still tanking after this move? I really don’t understand this move, when they could’ve added another young PF to their core this draft

It's the Kings, don't ever try to make sense of their moves, just enjoy the ride.

As already said, Morey is a moron if he could've had Haliburton+Hield for Simmons and didn't take the offer.

[itzsoweezee]

Kangz lol. What a trash organization

[poopbox]

Keldon and poetl for Patrick Williams a 1st round pick and filler. Who says no?


Keldon is playing out of position so we don't really even know how good he is or isn't. I'd rather take the chance that we have him play the 3 in the future and see what he does there than take Patrick Williams and a 1st round pick that we use drafting the next Keldon.

[baseline bum]

Wow Stauskas, Bagley, Thomas Robinson, cherry picking defense, and now dumping the one good draft pick they made? :lmao

[exstatic]

So Kings could win more games with Sabonis, and put Spurs as 6th worst team.

Kings likely go up, Portland likely goes down. Who knows what Indy does. We likely finish 6 or 7, assuming no further non-financial trades happen.

[exstatic]

Wow Stauskas, Bagley, Thomas Robinson, cherry picking defense, and now dumping the one good draft pick they made? :lmao

To be fair, Fox was a really good pick.

[Truckules]

If the Pacers intend to keep Turner then the market for Poeltl should be high. Spurs might get some good offers for him.

[John B]

Wow Stauskas, Bagley, Thomas Robinson, cherry picking defense, and now dumping the one good draft pick they made? :lmao

Haliburton/Fox + top PF pick could be contending for years. And they could've Doncic too instead of Bagley. That's seriously dumb management

[R. DeMurre]

The Kings are moving forward with a backcourt of 6'0" and 6'3" guards, and a frontcourt of two bigs & a reserve who aren't threats from three. It's like they haven't even been paying attention to the basketball world at all for at least half a decade. By some metrics, Haliburton was literally their only net positive player... I don't get their approach at all.

[buttsR4rebounding]

:lmao

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FucKingStupid

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Fox is horrible value at his max contract. Both him and Domantas are players that are difficult to build around.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sabonis > Haliburton

lol no way. There is no way to make Sabonis an efficient piece. I don't even know if he would be a good 6th man. The only thing he does is take a team up to the play-in. 8th seed is the ceiling for a Sabonis team. That should mean the Kings finish before us, which is great. Also the Pacers should get better with this move, which means they can overtake us in the standings as well. 5th pick is still in play :bobo

[RC_Drunkford]

Indiana is smart. Trading Sabonis and keeping Turner is the right move. Also Turner was sacrificing numbers playing with Sabonis. He can easily put up 18/10 if you give him more shots and don't park him on the perimeter on offense. That's a great trade for Indiana.

The Kings on the other hand will probably win more games, find out that Sabonis/Holmes doesn't work. Then proceed to start Sabonis at the 5 while running an efficient offense with a lay up line on defense that makes them win just enough games to somehow get the 10th seed next season

[Mr. Body]

Sabonis is a very good player. My problem is fit, but mostly Fox. Fox hasn't done shit to get you to the playoffs, while Haliburton is already running the team most of the time and is only in his second year and growing.

[cd98]

Kings have been in the lottery for like 13 straight years. They should be booted for a year.

[exstatic]

Kings have been in the lottery for like 13 straight years. They should be booted for a year.

The nba needs relegation to the gleague.

[poopbox]

Wow...stunned that Sac picked Fox over Hali

Shocked that they picked a guy making a max contract over a guy on a rookie deal. I'm not. Who is paying a 100 million for Fox? I'm sure if someone wanted to then he would have gotten traded instead of Hali.

[CGD]

Danilo to Raptors it seems. Probably takes Raps out of Jakob sweepstakes

[CGD]

The nba needs relegation to the gleague.

I would love to see that model in NBA

[3&D_TBH]

This trade demonstrates that there are, for certain, suckers as GMs at any time in the NBA who can be had in a trade if you are aggressive and a good communicator as an opposing GM. Pacers won this trade and it's not even close. Crazy stuff tbh.

[BatManu20]

Fucking Sacramento… what a poverty franchise, goddamn. Their fan base doesn’t deserve this. Ridiculous.

[R. DeMurre]

Fox is one of those guys who after two seasons looked like a future star. He was one of the fastest PGs in the league and had just come off a year where he shot 37% from three, after shooting 31% as a rookie. All of his numbers, both raw & advanced, improved from rookie year to sophomore year. If this arc had continued in years three and four he would've been a star, but it didn't. After five seasons, his career 3 pt% is 31%, his defense is consistently in the negative, and his assist numbers are relatively average. He's a pretty good example of how tough it can be to gauge a player's future progress. Two or three years ago, I think most people would've said that Fox was ahead of Dejounte in terms of development, but I'm guessing that right now, many scouts & coaches would call Dejounte the better player at the moment & for the prospect of the future.

[Atl Spur]

Still laughing……. Some of you broads better not cry another tear in regards to Patfo after witnessing this BS today��������

[Leetonidas]

Shocked that they picked a guy making a max contract over a guy on a rookie deal. I'm not. Who is paying a 100 million for Fox? I'm sure if someone wanted to then he would have gotten traded instead of Hali.

They could have moved Fox elsehwere. The fact that they doubled down on their stupidity and traded their best young player on a rookie deal is idiotic. I'm saying that Sacramento choosing to keep Fox and trade Haliburton is dumb as hell especially given what they got out of it.

[Atl Spur]

Fox is one of those guys who after two seasons looked like a future star. He was one of the fastest PGs in the league and had just come off a year where he shot 37% from three, after shooting 31% as a rookie. All of his numbers, both raw & advanced, improved from rookie year to sophomore year. If this arc had continued in years three and four he would've been a star, but it didn't. After five seasons, his career 3 pt% is 31%, his defense is consistently in the negative, and his assist numbers are relatively average. He's a pretty good example of how tough it can be to gauge a player's future progress. Two or three years ago, I think most people would've said that Fox was ahead of Dejounte in terms of development, but I'm guessing that right now, many scouts & coaches would call Dejounte the better player at the moment & for the prospect of the future.

If we had fox, his development would have probably better��.

[BatManu20]

Fucking Sacramento… what a poverty franchise, goddamn. Their fan base doesn’t deserve this. Ridiculous.

The Kings have selected in the lottery for 15 straight years and counting (!!) and their fans still show up and fill that arena for the most part. That’s a passionate fan base and they deserve so much better. Seriously.

[3&D_TBH]

Fox is one of those guys who after two seasons looked like a future star. He was one of the fastest PGs in the league and had just come off a year where he shot 37% from three, after shooting 31% as a rookie. All of his numbers, both raw & advanced, improved from rookie year to sophomore year. If this arc had continued in years three and four he would've been a star, but it didn't. After five seasons, his career 3 pt% is 31%, his defense is consistently in the negative, and his assist numbers are relatively average. He's a pretty good example of how tough it can be to gauge a player's future progress. Two or three years ago, I think most people would've said that Fox was ahead of Dejounte in terms of development, but I'm guessing that right now, many scouts & coaches would call Dejounte the better player at the moment & for the prospect of the future. this tbh

[heyheymymy]

unbelievable heist for Indiana wow

[BatManu20]

Monte McNair should be forced to resign tbh.

[BatManu20]

im glad we didnt trade for sabonis if that was the asking price :lol

Same. Would’ve been a weird fit here anyways. Glad we stayed away.

[BatManu20]

Fox has games where you watch him and wonder why he’s not an All-Star, especially when his pull-up mid-range is falling, and then he’ll follow it up with games where he’s a black hole offensively no matter how poorly he’s shooting. Makes you scratch your head. He’s an average defender at best despite solid length for a PG, but I’ve seen games where he literally just doesn’t try at all on that end. Wild inconsistency and lazy defense are a bad combo.

He just turned 24 though so he still has a chance to prove he’s a starting caliber PG on a good team, but I wouldn’t bank on it given his lazy defensive tendencies. Could see him being a difference maker as a 3rd or 4th option somewhere eventually. We’ll see. Time will tell.

[mo7888]

According to the NY Post the Knicks are trying to get Barnes from Sacramento. The article says thibbs wants a 3/4 type and doesn't like Reddish for that role...fwiw

[Leetonidas]

According to the NY Post the Knicks are trying to get Barnes from Sacramento. The article says thibbs wants a 3/4 type and doesn't like Reddish for that role...fwiw

Read the other day that Thibbs didn't want the FO to trade for Reddish at all. Lol that team is already on the road to total implosion

[Rocalcio]

Sabonis > Haliburton

For now.

[mo7888]

Read the other day that Thibbs didn't want the FO to trade for Reddish at all. Lol that team is already on the road to total implosion

I agree...Thibbs is a tough one to work with...he's stubborn and he's gonna play his guys all the minutes and wear them out....if you're gonna have him as a coach you should probably be committed to letting him have his way instead of forcing players on him....just let him sink or swim on his own..

[mo7888]

Beal's out for the season...

[r0drig0lac]

lol no way. There is no way to make Sabonis an efficient piece. I don't even know if he would be a good 6th man. The only thing he does is take a team up to the play-in. 8th seed is the ceiling for a Sabonis team. That should mean the Kings finish before us, which is great. Also the Pacers should get better with this move, which means they can overtake us in the standings as well. 5th pick is still in play :bobo

Haliburton was not better than Sabonis on any of his days in the NBA, he at most has an abstract potential (like Rubio one day), which possibly won't mean anything, and the main thing: he has nothing close to the production of Sabonis on the court.


For now.
yep

[Dex]

Beal's out for the season...

My fantasy team is in shambles.

I mean, it already was, but is still is. More shambles. It's shamblier.

[MannyIsGod]

Wonder if the Spurs will make a run at Beal in the off-season

[LeBowen]

Haliburton was not better than Sabonis on any of his days in the NBA, he at most has an abstract potential (like Rubio one day), which possibly won't mean anything, and the main thing: he has nothing close to the production of Sabonis on the court.


Are you serious? Like Rubio? Do you even watch games? Even if you don't, they're nowhere near the same.
It took Rubio almost a decade to become a decent 3pt shooter, Haliburton is already averaging 40% on 5 attempts per game and he takes a lot of pull-up 3s.

I'm not saying he's a superstar in the making, but he's a 6'5 point guard who looks like he's going to be a great shooter and he's already a very good defender. Perfect for modern NBA.

On the other hand you have Fox and Sabonis. Both of them put up numbers, but both are abysmal defenders and have no range.
Fox is starving man's young Russ and Sabonis was born in the wrong era. Unless a big can put up monster numbers in the post, he's not worth the max if he provides no spacing and is awful on defense.

Kings are already one of the worst shooting teams in the league and they did nothing to address that. Instead they traded their two best shooters for guys who're average on a good day.


You don't trade a 21 year old 40% 3pt shooter who's also a great playmaker and a good defender for a big who's awful defensively and can't shoot, either.

[cd98]

Fox is one of those guys who after two seasons looked like a future star. He was one of the fastest PGs in the league and had just come off a year where he shot 37% from three, after shooting 31% as a rookie. All of his numbers, both raw & advanced, improved from rookie year to sophomore year. If this arc had continued in years three and four he would've been a star, but it didn't. After five seasons, his career 3 pt% is 31%, his defense is consistently in the negative, and his assist numbers are relatively average. He's a pretty good example of how tough it can be to gauge a player's future progress. Two or three years ago, I think most people would've said that Fox was ahead of Dejounte in terms of development, but I'm guessing that right now, many scouts & coaches would call Dejounte the better player at the moment & for the prospect of the future.

In fairness to Fox, Sacramento has an abysmal record of developing their young talent.

[CGD]

Feel like if they were going to put Hali in play, they should have alerted more teams first. I’m sure they would have gotten many other offers including some that would have been superior to a package around Domas.

[Dex]

Sabonis is a very good player. My problem is fit, but mostly Fox. Fox hasn't done shit to get you to the playoffs, while Haliburton is already running the team most of the time and is only in his second year and growing.

Yeah, Haliburton has the larger upside imo, while Sabonis is what he is....a 4/5 who doesn't defend and who seems to have forgotten how to shoot.

Woj also said that most of the league didn't even know Haliburton was on the table, so it sounds like Sacramento didn't even do their due diligence. He was their best building block for the future, instead they are stuck with a Fox/Sabonis combo which saps their cap and would be lucky to get them into the 10th seed.

Classic Kings stuff right there. Their fans are pissed on reddit right now.

[poopbox]

They could have moved Fox elsehwere. The fact that they doubled down on their stupidity and traded their best young player on a rookie deal is idiotic. I'm saying that Sacramento choosing to keep Fox and trade Haliburton is dumb as hell especially given what they got out of it.

I don't think they "chose" to keep Fox. I think nobody wants Fox on a max contract so Haliburton was the easiest piece to move and get back a piece that on paper helps them.

[timtonymanu]

My fantasy team is in shambles.

I mean, it already was, but is still is. More shambles. It's shamblier.

So is mine, brother. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, Haliburton has the larger upside imo, while Sabonis is what he is....a 4/5 who doesn't defend and who seems to have forgotten how to shoot.

Woj also said that most of the league didn't even know Haliburton was on the table, so it sounds like Sacramento didn't even do their due diligence. He was their best building block for the future, instead they are stuck with a Fox/Sabonis combo which saps their cap and would be lucky to get them into the 10th seed.

Classic Kings stuff right there. Their fans are pissed on reddit right now.

Kudos to the Pacers if so. They managed to sneak in and grab Haliburton without anyone knowing he was available.

[TD 21]

Despite the big/surprise names involved, both of these trades are meh . . .

Pacers: Nice pickup and Haliburton's skillset will be more valuable going forward than Sabonis', but he's probably unlikely to be a markedly better player.

Pelicans: McCollum is a relatively good fit at sensible price, but it's all window dressing without a healthy Williamson.

Trail Blazers: Current value is fine, but combined with their other trade it feels underwhelming.

Kings: Terrible fit unless they can turn Holmes+ into a 3 and D big wing (good luck with that).

[PhantomDashCam]

Stunning.

I think Sabonis is somewhat underrated here and Tyrese might be bordering on overrated.... Still, astonished that Kings make this trade.
Clearly they felt leadership and loyalty were vapid commodities.

How on Earth, as a fan, could you possibly trust this franchise's direction and the PR BS they consistently spin?

In other news, Brian Windy is saying Ben Simmons "is looking great in workouts, from what he hears." Must be that time of year again :lol

[Leetonidas]

I don't think they "chose" to keep Fox. I think nobody wants Fox on a max contract so Haliburton was the easiest piece to move and get back a piece that on paper helps them.

Regardless, they traded by far their best asset who may end up better than either Fox or Sabonis and got a pretty meh return. Sabonis is a good player but Sac FO is inept either way so that team isn't going anywhere. Sabonis had more talent around him in Indy and haven't been in the playoff picture the last 2 years.

In the end they made a panic move to win now and traded their best asset to do it and will likely still either miss the playoffs, get to the play in game and lose, or lose in the first round. Should have just kept Haliburton and kept looking for deals for Fox. Panic move to win now wasn't the solution IMHO

[TD 21]

Sabonis had more talent around him in Indy and haven't been in the playoff picture the last 2 years.

To be fair, they've been decimated by injury. Literally never had their previous core play a single game together.

[Leetonidas]

To be fair, they've been decimated by injury. Literally never had their previous core play a single game together.

Good point. Not gonna pretend I follow them closely:lol I knew Warren has been out but I thought it was just him mostly

[Dverde]

Sabonis and Turner was doomed to fail. I like the Pelican’s trade for CJ. It makes them relevant again and help them retain Zion. Sucks they are in our division, but I think they are nothing more than a playoff team now.

[TD 21]

With deadline upcoming, Raptors look to build on what they already have (sportsnet.ca) (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/deadline-upcoming-raptors-look-build-already/)

"The Raptors reported interest in San Antonio Spurs centre Jakob Poeltl -- who played the first three years of his career in Toronto -- was real, but the Spurs weren’t budging from one of the better defensive centres in the league -- not for expiring contracts and a mid-round first."

[Dverde]

Everyone hate a trade for Julius Randle? He seems to be having some weird underperforming year with the Knicks. They may be willing to deal him to free up cap space for 2022 FA like James Harden :lol (I know). They’d probably want to add a bad contract like Kemba Walker. I liked Randle coming out of New Orleans, he looked pretty bad in the Spurs/Knicks game I saw this season

[Mr. Body]

With deadline upcoming, Raptors look to build on what they already have (sportsnet.ca) (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/deadline-upcoming-raptors-look-build-already/)

"The Raptors reported interest in San Antonio Spurs centre Jakob Poeltl -- who played the first three years of his career in Toronto -- was real, but the Spurs weren’t budging from one of the better defensive centres in the league -- not for expiring contracts and a mid-round first."

Expiring and a mid-first for Poeltl is insulting.

[Mr. Body]

Everyone hate a trade for Julius Randle? He seems to be having some weird underperforming year with the Knicks. They may be willing to deal him to free up cap space for 2022 FA like James Harden :lol (I know). They’d probably want to add a bad contract like Kemba Walker. I liked Randle coming out of New Orleans, he looked pretty bad in the Spurs/Knicks game I saw this season

Randle always seemed like an overperformer, a beefy role-player who somehow played up to All-Star status for a time.

[Chinook]

Everyone hate a trade for Julius Randle? He seems to be having some weird underperforming year with the Knicks. They may be willing to deal him to free up cap space for 2022 FA like James Harden :lol (I know). They’d probably want to add a bad contract like Kemba Walker. I liked Randle coming out of New Orleans, he looked pretty bad in the Spurs/Knicks game I saw this season

Randle would be like the consolidation prize version of Collins. He does fit, but I don't think the Spurs could afford to pay for in terms of assets. I don't see Murray and Randle as the lead players on a strong team. Even Murray, Lavine, Vassell, Randle and Poeltl feels like a play-in starting unit, and that's a pretty positive off-season outcome.

[Dverde]

Something like D White, Thad, Lonnie Walker IV for Randle and Kemba Walker. Poop loved coaching Kemba for Team USA. Keep him around as the bench vet. Basically White for Randle with the Knicks freeing up about 12M salary next year.

[Chinook]

The Spurs can't afford to take cap space next year. They actually need to shed salary. Like replacing Thad with McDermott is almost a necessity

[baseline bum]

Everyone hate a trade for Julius Randle? He seems to be having some weird underperforming year with the Knicks. They may be willing to deal him to free up cap space for 2022 FA like James Harden :lol (I know). They’d probably want to add a bad contract like Kemba Walker. I liked Randle coming out of New Orleans, he looked pretty bad in the Spurs/Knicks game I saw this season

Nah, last year was the weird year for Julian when he overperformed.

[Thomas82]

Expiring and a mid-first for Poeltl is insulting.

I agree with another poster (can't remember exactly who) that said the team that makes the most sense for Poetl is the Warriors, but it's not likely since they seem to like what they have.

[ginobilized]

What do the hoi poloi think of Thad for Taurean Prince and a 1st round pick?

[Mr. Body]

What do the hoi poloi think of Thad for Taurean Prince and a 1st round pick?

I believe it's a 2nd round pick. It seems most people are okay with it. Another platoon wing and a draft pick for a guy who doesn't play and won't be here past this week anyway.

[RC_Drunkford]

Are you serious? Like Rubio? Do you even watch games?

he clearly only watches stat lines on bballref. Spurs fans wanting Sabonis or Randle but not John Collins is hilarious. Shows how much they know about the game :lol

[BatManu20]

Yea hell no to Julius Randle. Vastly overpaid, one-dimensional, underachieving player who I want nothing to do with. Don’t let his random big scoring games fool you, he’s nowhere near a max player. There’s a reason NYK are shopping him already just one year after giving him all that money.

Besides that, he’s mentally weak. Gets frustrated too easily and starts bitching at the refs instead of getting back on D. Does this often. Hard pass.

[Degoat]

I think I saw somewhere that Taurean Prince wants a buyout if he’s traded somewhere lol which I guess is fine it’s the pick that we would want anyways

[r0drig0lac]

he clearly only watches stat lines on bballref. Spurs fans wanting Sabonis or Randle but not John Collins is hilarious. Shows how much they know about the game :lol
there was no comparison with between the game of rubio and haliburton, that was just you getting carried away by the quoted post, and I agree, that most of you only look at boxscore and watch SA games, the difference is that in this case you decided to believe in a line of development that will possibly never occur, and no, you don't watch Sacramento Kings games.

[LeBowen]

there was no comparison with between the game of rubio and haliburton, that was just you getting carried away by the quoted post, and I agree, that most of you only look at boxscore and watch SA games, the difference is that in this case you decided to believe in a line of development that will possibly never occur, and no, you don't watch Sacramento Kings games.

How's his potential abstract? Can't find the post with the stats, but he's among the best in the league at pullup threes. And we could argue his stats could've been even better if he wasn't stuck in a similar situation to Derrick's.

He's 21 and already a very good player, nothing abstract about that. And you compare him with Rubio of all people.


Anyhow, I don't think anything major happens at the deadline. If we're lucky maybe we get a decent pick for Thad.

[RC_Drunkford]

there was no comparison with between the game of rubio and haliburton, that was just you getting carried away by the quoted post, and I agree, that most of you only look at boxscore and watch SA games, the difference is that in this case you decided to believe in a line of development that will possibly never occur, and no, you don't watch Sacramento Kings games.

apparently you don't watch Indiana Pacers games neither if you think Sabonis is that valuable, which is who I was actually talking about when I said you're looking at stats

[T Park]

Something like D White, Thad, Lonnie Walker IV for Randle and Kemba Walker. Poop loved coaching Kemba for Team USA. Keep him around as the bench vet. Basically White for Randle with the Knicks freeing up about 12M salary next year.


Yuck

[RC_Drunkford]

Anyhow, I don't think anything major happens at the deadline. If we're lucky maybe we get a decent pick for Thad.

seems like there is a 2nd rounder attached to both packages from the Suns and TWolves. Spurs would probably want a first, but I think they take one of the deals to at least get something out of it. I'd rather take the Suns deal and try to flip Saric into another asset next season

[Chomag]

If our roster is so good like some here are acting like then why are the Spurs one of the worst teams in the league? Man People are so scared of trading that they will overhyped mediocrity to justify not trading.

[r0drig0lac]

apparently you don't watch Indiana Pacers games neither if you think Sabonis is that valuable, which is who I was actually talking about when I said you're looking at stats
It doesn't matter if he's that valuable or mediocre in my opinion (honestly that wasn't the point here), it was just that he was obviously the most valuable player in the trade, if that's not true in 1 day, 1 month, or 1 century, whatever (depends on the evolution curve of both players, because Sabonis is only 25).

[Leetonidas]

Yea hell no to Julius Randle. Vastly overpaid, one-dimensional, underachieving player who I want nothing to do with. Don’t let his random big scoring games fool you, he’s nowhere near a max player. There’s a reason NYK are shopping him already just one year after giving him all that money.

Besides that, he’s mentally weak. Gets frustrated too easily and starts bitching at the refs instead of getting back on D. Does this often. Hard pass.

This. No thanks to Randle. He proved last season he is a fake star and got fuckin embarrassed in the playoffs

[Dex]

Two more days to disappointment.

Prepare yourselves.

[baseline bum]

This. No thanks to Randle. He proved last season he is a fake star and got fuckin embarrassed in the playoffs

No one would have paid any attention to him last season if he was still in New Orleans. Crazy how having a good but far from great season in New York gets one so overhyped.

[MannyIsGod]

No thanks to any randle trade. Dude is mentally weak af

[timtonymanu]

Two more days to disappointment.

Prepare yourselves.

You mean I can’t be excited about a potential White/Lonnie/Poeltl for Trae/John Collins swap. :wakeup

[poopbox]

Regardless, they traded by far their best asset who may end up better than either Fox or Sabonis and got a pretty meh return. Sabonis is a good player but Sac FO is inept either way so that team isn't going anywhere. Sabonis had more talent around him in Indy and haven't been in the playoff picture the last 2 years.

In the end they made a panic move to win now and traded their best asset to do it and will likely still either miss the playoffs, get to the play in game and lose, or lose in the first round. Should have just kept Haliburton and kept looking for deals for Fox. Panic move to win now wasn't the solution IMHO

I don't disagree with any of this. It's just that people try and frame this trade as they could have traded fox or haliburton and they chose haliburton. I'm of the mind they never could have traded fox cause nobody wants to pay max money for a volume shooting bad defensive point guard. So it was always going to be trade haliburton or trade neither. I agree that they most definitely should not have traded him for a possible two year rental like Sabonis. Wouldn't surprise me if Sabonis was traded again next year.

[John B]

The Sacramento Kings want to move Marvin Bagley ‘bad,’ per steveBHoop

6’10” 7’1 wingspan, 22 years old. Do we want this guy? I think he has more upside than Poeltl and just needs a change of environment.

[MannyIsGod]

I would not give up anything but a 2nd for Bagley and even that feels steep.

[mo7888]

The Sacramento Kings want to move Marvin Bagley ‘bad,’ per steveBHoop

6’10” 7’1 wingspan, 22 years old. Do we want this guy? I think he has more upside than Poeltl and just needs a change of environment.

I think it's better to wait and see how much he'll cost in FA (if we think he's salvageable and I'm not convinced of that)...if I were to trade now I might give them Thad for him but nothing else.... they might even accept that since they are trying to make the play in.

[baseline bum]

I don't disagree with any of this. It's just that people try and frame this trade as they could have traded fox or haliburton and they chose haliburton. I'm of the mind they never could have traded fox cause nobody wants to pay max money for a volume shooting bad defensive point guard. So it was always going to be trade haliburton or trade neither. I agree that they most definitely should not have traded him for a possible two year rental like Sabonis. Wouldn't surprise me if Sabonis was traded again next year.

They could have found someone if Washington was able to get value out of trading Westbrook.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't disagree with any of this. It's just that people try and frame this trade as they could have traded fox or haliburton and they chose haliburton. I'm of the mind they never could have traded fox cause nobody wants to pay max money for a volume shooting bad defensive point guard. So it was always going to be trade haliburton or trade neither. I agree that they most definitely should not have traded him for a possible two year rental like Sabonis. Wouldn't surprise me if Sabonis was traded again next year.

Disagree there is no market for fox. Salary dumping him with a future pick.is better than trading away haliburton imo. Kings just make bad decisions each time.

[RC_Drunkford]

It doesn't matter if he's that valuable or mediocre in my opinion (honestly that wasn't the point here), it was just that he was obviously the most valuable player in the trade, if that's not true in 1 day, 1 month, or 1 century, whatever (depends on the evolution curve of both players, because Sabonis is only 25).


Sabonis won't magically grow and become a shotblocker. He's super efficient on offense, yet Derrick White blocks twice as many shots as him. He's a fake star who hurts his team on the defensive end no matter how good he is on offense. Pacers and Kings basically swapped their best players, but Haliburton is not a defensive liability and a better shooter. Therefore he's a better piece, besides being younger and on a cheaper contract

[poopbox]

The Sacramento Kings want to move Marvin Bagley ‘bad,’ per steve (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3757)BHoop

6’10” 7’1 wingspan, 22 years old. Do we want this guy? I think he has more upside than Poeltl and just needs a change of environment.


If all Bagley cost us is something we won't have next year anyway, like thad or lonnie, and is not important like a second round pick, you absolutely trade for him. There is no doubt he has talent, and the kings are arguably the worst ran franchise in the nba...most players who go there play the worst basketball of their career...most players who leave there end up playing well somewhere else. This is the exact type of move the spurs should be looking to make while they themselves are considered better than the kings only because they haven't been fucking up for as many years and haven't been bad as long. Whoever gets Bagley is going to get a player who is eager to prove how good he really is since he has spent years watching his peers like Trae and Luka lead teams and reap awards and accolades. Depending on how you feel about vassel and primo I might even be willing to do White for Bagley, even though we know the spurs would never do that. Or really ever make any impactful trade at all. Last time they did it ended their playoff streak and the Raptors won the only title they will ever have.

[poopbox]

Disagree there is no market for fox. Salary dumping him with a future pick.is better than trading away haliburton imo. Kings just make bad decisions each time.

If you have to salary dump him with a future pick then that inherently means there was no market for him, since at that point you are paying someone in asset just to take him.

[John B]

If all Bagley cost us is something we won't have next year anyway, like thad or lonnie, and is not important like a second round pick, you absolutely trade for him. There is no doubt he has talent, and the kings are arguably the worst ran franchise in the nba...most players who go there play the worst basketball of their career...most players who leave there end up playing well somewhere else. This is the exact type of move the spurs should be looking to make while they themselves are considered better than the kings only because they haven't been fucking up for as many years and haven't been bad as long. Whoever gets Bagley is going to get a player who is eager to prove how good he really is since he has spent years watching his peers like Trae and Luka lead teams and reap awards and accolades. Depending on how you feel about vassel and primo I might even be willing to do White for Bagley, even though we know the spurs would never do that. Or really ever make any impactful trade at all. Last time they did it ended their playoff streak and the Raptors won the only title they will ever have.

I really don’t know what Kings are doing. But they’re bringing veteran players, and they just lost Haliburton. White could make sense.

[r0drig0lac]

Sabonis won't magically grow and become a shotblocker. He's super efficient on offense, yet Derrick White blocks twice as many shots as him. He's a fake star who hurts his team on the defensive end no matter how good he is on offense. Pacers and Kings basically swapped their best players, but Haliburton is not a defensive liability and a better shooter. Therefore he's a better piece, besides being younger and on a cheaper contract

at least this time, your opinion came without projections, i still disagree and i have no problem with it (or care), anyway the guy who was 2x star before his 25th has a few years to evolve his game (or not), and he's still the only player in that conversation to have produced in this level ever in his life.

[mo7888]

I really don’t know what Kings are doing. But they’re bringing veteran players, and they just lost Haliburton. White could make sense.

White? For what?

[baseline bum]

I really don’t know what Kings are doing. But they’re bringing veteran players, and they just lost Haliburton. White could make sense.

Barnes is a mild upgrade from Keldon, probably only because he's 7 years older, and for a lot more money. I don't see any move that makes much sense for White unless you can get some nice picks.

[John B]

White? For what?

For Bagley. Kings want to unload the guy.

[baseline bum]

For Bagley. Kings want to unload the guy.

Not sure if srs

[John B]

Not sure if srs
What would you trade for Bagley? Would you want him?

[baseline bum]

What would you trade for Bagley? Would you want him?

Bagley's trade value is more like Young, not White.

[mo7888]

For Bagley. Kings want to unload the guy.

How many firsts are they giving us to go with Bagley?

[ismael-robert]

What would you trade for Bagley? Would you want him?

It took u 3 attempts to still get game thread wrong. Don't chime in just spectate

[Cabrito]

Bagley is a true reclamation project. He has lost all his confidence. Just watch him play and his body language. If he is willing to put in the work and not want a high paying extension, then he may be worth a flyer. If…

[John B]

It took him 3 attempts to still get game thread wrong. Don't chime in just spectate
:lmao

[baseline bum]

It took him 3 attempts to still get game thread wrong. Don't chime in just spectate

WTF are you talking about?

[cjw]

seems like there is a 2nd rounder attached to both packages from the Suns and TWolves. Spurs would probably want a first, but I think they take one of the deals to at least get something out of it. I'd rather take the Suns deal and try to flip Saric into another asset next season

I’d rather not have Saric’s salary heading into the offseason. Cap space is way more valuable than Saric at $9mm.

If they want us to take Saric, then a first gas has to be attached.

[baseline bum]

Bagley is a true reclamation project. He has lost all his confidence. Just watch him play and his body language. If he is willing to put in the work and not want a high paying extension, then he may be worth a flyer. If…

His QO is like $15 million next year

[jjspur]

For Bagley. Kings want to unload the guy.
I would trade Thad and the 2nd we got from Denver for Bagley. What do we have to lose except a player that doesn't play and doesn't want to be here. They are both on expiring contracts. Maybe, just maybe we see something in Bagley, who knows but its better than letting a fairly expensive player simply rot on the bench.

[poopbox]

I really don’t know what Kings are doing. But they’re bringing veteran players, and they just lost Haliburton. White could make sense.

I agree. I would be willing to do White for Bagley because I think between Primo and Devin we could have whites production covered, but I think the spurs front office have proven themselves to be very conservative in these type of trades and also very bad at understanding player value. They seem to want a lot for Poeltl, but the types of teams that are looking to trade for Poeltl are good teams or teams making a run for the playoffs, which means they will need Poeltl to defend well against good bigs on playoff caliber teams. Poeltl is exceptionally bad at this. He gets destroyed by Jokic, Towns, Gobert, shit he gets destroyed by any big with a pulse that tries to score one on one. Every team knows this, so why would they give up a high lottery pick or great young player for a guy they are going to need to guard Joel Embiid in the 1st round, who absolutely can't guard Joel Embiid? So Poeltl will stay on this team, and he will be here next year, and then after that he will be a free agent and all the teams who the spurs could have gotten something for him will just offer him more money and he will leave for nothing. We have been bad this year with him and traded him for nothing. We will be bad next year and trade him for nothing. Same thing with Derrick. He is a player who could be the beginnings of trade discussions to get us the type of power forward or center we need, but the spurs would never do a deal like that because they are perfectly fine having Derrick be a guard here and just having a log jam at that position to the point that primo, lonnie, and vassell are pretty much fighting over 15 minutes ever game. We should be trying to make a move on a player like Bagley because we are a bad team and the only way bad teams take a leap is drafting a transcendent start like Morant or taking a swing at some young players and having them exceed expectations, but the spurs don't know how to operate as a bad team so they are going to do neither and just be a bad team for longer than they should. We'll probably just draft Chet and then wait 2 years to find out if he is even a good basketball player.

[Leetonidas]

The Kings have been trying to practically give Bagley away for free since last season... :lol the fact that no one wants him should tell you something. The idea of trading White for him is crazy when he could be had for Thaddeus Young probably

[MannyIsGod]

People saying they would trade white for Bagley in any capacity should no longer be allowed to post.

[John B]

The Kings have been trying to practically give Bagley away for free since last season... :lol the fact that no one wants him should tell you something. The idea of trading White for him is crazy when he could be had for Thaddeus Young probably

I think they should offer Thad and go from there. Kings is unloading salary, and this guys has been wanting out. He’s only 22 and was the 2nd overall pick. I think Spurs should make him prove himself then go from there. Kings are talking Trailblazers but got “held off”.

[MannyIsGod]

If you have to salary dump him with a future pick then that inherently means there was no market for him, since at that point you are paying someone in asset just to take him.

No, I'm saying I would rather salary dump him than give up haliburton. I think there are legit buyers for him. I just think Sacramento doubled down on their initial investment and instead of going with haliburton.

[timtonymanu]

Trading white for the modern day Sam Bowie as far as draft busts go? :lol

[MannyIsGod]

I think they should offer Thad and go from there. Kings is unloading salary, and this guys has been wanting out. He’s only 22 and was the 2nd overall pick. I think Spurs should make him prove himself then go from there. Kings are talking Trailblazers but got “held off”.

Can people stop doing this? Once someone is drafted there is no value in saying when they were picked. If the draft was redone today, where is he picked? Not in the top 20. So it doesn't matter at all that he was a a 2nr pick.

Dude is not good at all. It makes zero sense for anyone to give up any real assets for him at this point. There's a reason sac can't give the guy away

[Mr. Body]

Bagley's advanced numbers are truly awful. He has no interest around the league. Sacto, a bad team, plays him begrudgingly. San Antonio is not a pretty fairy portal whereupon shitty players magically become good.

[R. DeMurre]

Richaun Holmes hasn't played tonight and was declared out 15 minutes before the start of Sacramento's game for "personal" reasons...I'm guessing that means he's going to be traded too.

[CGD]

^ the thing scaring people off of Bagley now is his QO. I’m sure there are teams that would take a chance on him if it were lower. If the spurs really like him wait another year we he’s a UFA.

[exstatic]

The Sacramento Kings want to move Marvin Bagley ‘bad,’ per steveBHoop

6’10” 7’1 wingspan, 22 years old. Do we want this guy? I think he has more upside than Poeltl and just needs a change of environment.
He has no upside. He had a rookie year of 14/7. He replicated that twice, making no progress, and has regressed to 9/7 this year.

[John B]

Can people stop doing this? Once someone is drafted there is no value in saying when they were picked. If the draft was redone today, where is he picked? Not in the top 20. So it doesn't matter at all that he was a a 2nr pick.

Dude is not good at all. It makes zero sense for anyone to give up any real assets for him at this point. There's a reason sac can't give the guy away

So you wouldn’t give up Thad and a SRP for this guy? He can shoot outside, block, rebound, drive, finish ally-ops, pass, can play PF/C. Seriously? I think the Spurs should take a flyer and make him prove himself.


https://youtu.be/4uap73Iyuzo

[ginobilized]

I'm just spit-ballin' here, but Thad Young to Golden State makes sense to me.
He'd be a great back-up for Draymond in the playoffs.
Wiseman and a pick would be best-case.

[Degoat]

Bigs take longer to develop then perimeter players tbh I’d be happy to take the gamble on Bagley. On another note, wonder if Twolves would consider throwing in Leandro Bolmaro in a Thad young trade

[BatManu20]

People saying they would trade white for Bagley in any capacity should no longer be allowed to post.

This. Bagley is shit. Would be the type of moronic trade the Kings would make if they were on the other end. Just a stupid trade idea altogether.

[exstatic]

Bagleys QO for next year is $15M. Hard pass. He’s like maybe a $5M player, and you’ll never get him for that if you’re holding his Bird rights. If and when he crashes and burns and is released by someone, I’d be willing to take a chance as a cheap FA reclamation. I’d never give up an asset for him, and his contract would be unguaranteed.

The bad thing about bust high picks is they keep getting more and more expensive, even if they’re not improving.

[Joseph Kony]

I'm just spit-ballin' here, but Thad Young to Golden State makes sense to me.
He'd be a great back-up for Draymond in the playoffs.
Wiseman and a pick would be best-case.
Lol

[Mr. Body]

I'm just spit-ballin' here, but Thad Young to Golden State makes sense to me.
He'd be a great back-up for Draymond in the playoffs.
Wiseman and a pick would be best-case.

Shit, man, we should probably trade Thad Young for Steph Curry.

[BatManu20]

It’s not that Bagley doesn’t have any untapped potential. But to offer up your starting 2-Guard who, despite his struggles, is still a solid two-way basketball player on a nice contract for a vastly overpaid project who hasn’t shown much other than the occasional flash here and there on a really bad team to me would be insanity.

He’s averaging 9 PPG on 46% shooting on a terrible Kings team. Not a good defender of rebounder, doesn’t really do anything particularly well. Can’t shoot the 3 at all. His offense consists of short hook and push shots. I agree they’re the worst run organization in the NBA, and that certainly hasn’t helped his development, but I just don’t see much from him to warrant giving up a real asset. That’s all.

[MannyIsGod]

So you wouldn’t give up Thad and a SRP for this guy? He can shoot outside, block, rebound, drive, finish ally-ops, pass, can play PF/C. Seriously? I think the Spurs should take a flyer and make him prove himself.


https://youtu.be/4uap73Iyuzo

No. I would rather have the 2nd and the cap space and it's not really close.

[MannyIsGod]

So you wouldn’t give up Thad and a SRP for this guy? He can shoot outside, block, rebound, drive, finish ally-ops, pass, can play PF/C. Seriously? I think the Spurs should take a flyer and make him prove himself.


https://youtu.be/4uap73Iyuzo

No. I would rather have the 2nd and the cap space and it's not really close.

[Dancelot]

I'm just spit-ballin' here, but Thad Young to Golden State makes sense to me.
He'd be a great back-up for Draymond in the playoffs.
Wiseman and a pick would be best-case.
Uh, not sure if serious?

[Chinook]

So you wouldn’t give up Thad and a SRP for this guy? He can shoot outside, block, rebound, drive, finish ally-ops, pass, can play PF/C. Seriously? I think the Spurs should take a flyer and make him prove himself.


https://youtu.be/4uap73Iyuzo

Bagley's not positive value. I wouldn't trade Thad and a second for him. I'd trade Thad for him and a second though.

[FutureMan]

Bigs take longer to develop then perimeter players tbh I’d be happy to take the gamble on Bagley. On another note, wonder if Twolves would consider throwing in Leandro Bolmaro in a Thad young trade

Ive been thinking about a trade like this for a few months:

MIN: Young & Walker
SAS: Prince, Bolmaro, & some kind of draft compensation

Maybe they are more inclined to make a trade now that Sacramento and New Orleans are making moves.

[John B]

Bagley's not positive value. I wouldn't trade Thad and a second for him. I'd trade Thad for him and a second though.

I’m watching Bagley’s highlights. I know the QO is 15mil, but this guy can do everything, has guard handles, euro-step, step-back 3, likes to finish ally-ops, blocks crazy, can cover perimeter, and he fills Spurs’ need for PF :lol. And he’s 22. Maybe the problem is Sacramento.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm just spit-ballin' here, but Thad Young to Golden State makes sense to me.
He'd be a great back-up for Draymond in the playoffs.
Wiseman and a pick would be best-case.

Thad makes great sense for Golden State, but I'd say there's no way it's for anything more than a SRP.

[talkspurs]

Yall do realize We could just not offer the QO for Bagley. We can still resign him to a lower amount then that. We would lose his bird rights so we could not go over the cap to sign him if we dont offer the QO. We also would lose the right to match another team. Since we have cap space this summer being able to go over the cap is not a problem. If we knew someone was going to give him a high offer hopefully we would know and if we wanted to could offer him the same or more and then he would get to decide where to play.

Would I trade white for him. no not even close. Would I trade thad for him. I probably would. It gets us to see how he would play on our team. I would be more worried about his and his dads antics more then if he would be good or not. If he is not good you just bench him. If him or his dad acts up it could hurt the team moral which I think is high right now.

[hombre]

We got our Juancho, please lock this thread admins.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So according to Woj the league was stunned Kings were shopping Haliburton at all, everyone believed they'd build around him instead. They really didn't do their due diligence and let everyone make their offer before they pulled the trigger on this trade a couple of days before the deadline, seriously? A random reddit poster would be more rational than their FO.

[tbdog]

Sabonis is a great player. They got rid of Hield's contract. They desperately need to keep Barnes now and get some defensive versatility.

[CGD]

I’m watching Bagley’s highlights. I know the QO is 15mil, but this guy can do everything, has guard handles, euro-step, step-back 3, likes to finish ally-ops, blocks crazy, can cover perimeter, and he fills Spurs’ need for PF :lol. And he’s 22. Maybe the problem is Sacramento.

If the spurs really wanted him, they could just offer him a deal as a RFA this summer or wait until he’s a UFA next summer.

I think he has value, but teams are wanting to get him for peanuts once he’s off this current deal.

[exstatic]

I’m watching Bagley’s highlights. I know the QO is 15mil, but this guy can do everything, has guard handles, euro-step, step-back 3, likes to finish ally-ops, blocks crazy, can cover perimeter, and he fills Spurs’ need for PF :lol. And he’s 22. Maybe the problem is Sacramento.

YouTube highlights won’t show him drifting thru games, not impacting them, much like Lonnie. I mean, if you ONLY looked at highlights, Lonnie would appear to be one of the best young guards in the NBA, and we all know that’s not the case.

[CGD]

Yall do realize We could just not offer the QO for Bagley. We can still resign him to a lower amount then that. We would lose his bird rights so we could not go over the cap to sign him if we dont offer the QO. We also would lose the right to match another team. Since we have cap space this summer being able to go over the cap is not a problem. If we knew someone was going to give him a high offer hopefully we would know and if we wanted to could offer him the same or more and then he would get to decide where to play.

Would I trade white for him. no not even close. Would I trade thad for him. I probably would. It gets us to see how he would play on our team. I would be more worried about his and his dads antics more then if he would be good or not. If he is not good you just bench him. If him or his dad acts up it could hurt the team moral which I think is high right now.

Ok, so why trade for him at all and opposed to waiting until the summer? As one of the teams with space, Spurs could offer him a 3 year deal starting at his current salary but make years 2, 3 only partially guaranteed ala Zollins. Kings probably don’t match.

[poopbox]

No, I'm saying I would rather salary dump him than give up haliburton. I think there are legit buyers for him. I just think Sacramento doubled down on their initial investment and instead of going with haliburton.

Well of course they did because to trade Fox is to say we made a 100 million dollar mistake and that kind of stuff gets you fired. The spurs faced a similar situation with Poeltl to a much lesser degree. There were some posters here who thought he would not sign here after his rookie deal. But with all signs pointing to Derozan leaving and Luka having washed out, if Poeltl had left the Spurs would have effectively traded Kawhi Leonard for the rights to draft Keldon Johnson, which is an all time bad trade. They were always going to sign Poeltl to a second deal for no other reason than to save face. It is highly likely they will sign him to a 3rd contract at way more money regardless of if it helps the team or not for the same reason. I also think it's the reason the reason the price on him is so high.

[Atl Spur]

Bagley is good prospect that may be salvageable. Lonnie’s problem is between the ears……..

[BatManu20]

Bagley is good prospect that may be salvageable. Lonnie’s problem is between the ears……..

Bagley’s is too tbh. Aside from his low bball IQ, he doesn’t play defense, rebound, or shoot 3’s. Kings have basically been trying to actively get rid of him for 2 seasons now and he’s still on their roster. Should tell you something.

[BatManu20]

Sabonis is a great player. They got rid of Hield's contract. They desperately need to keep Barnes now and get some defensive versatility.

They desperately need to surround him with shooters since they just traded 2 of the only 3 they had. Barnes is the only one they have left on the roster who can since neither Fox nor Mitchell shoot 3’s. Their two best players are now non-shooters who are surrounded by non-shooters outside of Barnes. They’re going to continue to suck ass until they add some shooters to that roster.

[buttsR4rebounding]

They desperately need to surround him with shooters since they just traded 2 of the only 3 they had. Barnes is the only one they have left on the roster who can since neither Fox nor Mitchell shoot 3’s. Their two best players are now non-shooters who are surrounded by non-shooters outside of Barnes. They’re going to continue to suck ass until they add some shooters to that roster.

They're the Kings. Even if they add shooters they will continue to suck ass.

[MannyIsGod]

Bagley is good prospect that may be salvageable. Lonnie’s problem is between the ears……..

Uh where exactly do you think Bagleys problems are if not his head?

[cd98]

Uh where exactly do you think Bagleys problems are if not his head?

I'd say the Kings organization. I mean, everyone misses on draft picks, but they've been in the lottery since 2007. In 14 years in the lottery and no stars? I mean, they did get Demarcus Cousins and he was good for a little while until he tore his achilles. But they were scared to death to supermax the guy before the injury. But at some point, isn't it a development problem and not just that every player they draft flames out in Sacramento?

[Mr. Body]

I'd say the Kings organization. I mean, everyone misses on draft picks, but they've been in the lottery since 2007. In 14 years in the lottery and no stars? I mean, they did get Demarcus Cousins and he was good for a little while until he tore his achilles. But they were scared to death to supermax the guy before the injury. But at some point, isn't it a development problem and not just that every player they draft flames out in Sacramento?

No. I would have stayed far away from Cousins at any point. Drafting Bagley at #2 wasn't going to be solved if a better franchise did it. Some franchises just pick shitty players with bad attitudes.

[exstatic]

Bagley is good prospect that may be salvageable. Lonnie’s problem is between the ears……..

It’s a bad thing if you’re still considered a good prospect after being drafted #2 overall and spending almost 4 years in the league. It really is.

[baseline bum]

No. I would have stayed far away from Cousins at any point. Drafting Bagley at #2 wasn't going to be solved if a better franchise did it. Some franchises just pick shitty players with bad attitudes.

I really can't think of many stars right off hand who were shit in their early years because of being in bad organizations who blew up once they moved to a good one. Who else besides Chauncey Billups?

[Atl Spur]

Bagley is super skilled, with the right approach you may be able to unlock the desired production. I would not be mad if we took a look at him������

[exstatic]

Bagley is super skilled, with the right approach you may be able to unlock the desired production. I would not be mad if we took a look at him������

After he busts out, maybe, but you do not acquire his rookie contract. You wait until someone waives him or renounces his rights. He’s a scrap heap project, at the most.

[Dverde]

Bagley is the one with the whiny father. If anyone could fix his game issues it’s the Spurs. They helped Danny Green, a dude who can’t dribble, earn 100 million dollars :lol

[rjv]

i wonder how serious portland really is about grabbing bagley and what they are offering. i, myself, don't want him on the spurs.

[Dverde]

Bagley is the one with the whiny father. If anyone could fix his game issues it’s the Spurs. They helped Danny Green, a dude who can’t dribble, earn 100 million dollars :lol

[elbamba1]

I really can't think of many stars right off hand who were shit in their early years because of being in bad organizations who blew up once they moved to a good one. Who else besides Chauncey Billups?

I am stretching a bit here because he wasn't shit but Wiggins is an example of someone who is really starting to shine.

[Atl Spur]

I’d trade juancho / Lonnie for Bagley / future 2nd

[John B]

After he busts out, maybe, but you do not acquire his rookie contract. You wait until someone waives him or renounces his rights. He’s a scrap heap project, at the most.

Your approach is the conservative approach and what Spurs would take. And it works with them having won 5 rings. But sometimes as a fan you want the PATFO to just take a calculated risk. Don't say Zollins because his contract is not what I call risky. Bagley fills the position of need and more (very skilled). He’s 22. If Portland gets him, they get his Birds right and 50/50 chance of getting a real good player at 22, and Spurs missed out. Bagley with all his skills could be a franchise player. For Thad’s expiring contract and SRP? I’d take a swing at him.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs aren't trading anything for Bagley. No one is trading anything for Bagley. He has a bad attitude, appears to be a bust, and has a loud father. Yes, Sac is a terrible franchise, but you cant just blame them for every players development. Like, Ben McLemore didn't become a top 10 player because they didnt develop him, it's because he isnt that good, like Bagley. they are terrible at scouting and drafting. I mean how do you have Vlade as your GM and pass up on Luka with the #2 pick?? :lol

Point is, let the Bagley idea go. he isn't going anywhere. like i said, Kings have been trying to give him away and no one wants to pay #2 salary for a player that plays like #2 :lol Just because he was taken with the 2nd pick doesnt mean he should have been. Are we going to start clamoring to sign Anthony Bennett too?

[John B]

I really can't think of many stars right off hand who were shit in their early years because of being in bad organizations who blew up once they moved to a good one. Who else besides Chauncey Billups?

That’s every player who left the Lakers tbh

[Mr. Body]

Bagley is super skilled, with the right approach you may be able to unlock the desired production. I would not be mad if we took a look at him������

????

[Atl Spur]

Spurs aren't trading anything for Bagley. No one is trading anything for Bagley. He has a bad attitude, appears to be a bust, and has a loud father. Yes, Sac is a terrible franchise, but you cant just blame them for every players development. Like, Ben McLemore didn't become a top 10 player because they didnt develop him, it's because he isnt that good, like Bagley. they are terrible at scouting and drafting. I mean how do you have Vlade as your GM and pass up on Luka with the #2 pick?? :lol

Point is, let the Bagley idea go. he isn't going anywhere. like i said, Kings have been trying to give him away and no one wants to pay #2 salary for a player that plays like #2 :lol Just because he was taken with the 2nd pick doesnt mean he should have been. Are we going to start clamoring to sign Anthony Bennett too?

Bagley can play period point blank, his attitude very well be the hindrance! If he is shipped here it might save his career

[Mr. Body]

Bagley is the one with the whiny father. If anyone could fix his game issues it’s the Spurs. They helped Danny Green, a dude who can’t dribble, earn 100 million dollars :lol

Whiny relatives lead Kyle Anderson and Nephew to both leave the org.

[Dverde]

Spurstalk servers would be down for a week if this mock trade happened :lol



Pistons get: Derrick White
Spurs get: Hamidou Diallo, Trey Lyles and Cory Joseph

[exstatic]

Your approach is the conservative approach and what Spurs would take. And it works with them having won 5 rings. But sometimes as a fan you want the PATFO to just take a calculated risk. Don't say Zollins because his contract is not what I call risky. Bagley fills the position of need and more (very skilled). He’s 22. If Portland gets him, they get his Birds right and 50/50 chance of getting a real good player at 22, and Spurs missed out. Bagley with all his skills could be a franchise player. For Thad’s expiring contract and SRP? I’d take a swing at him.

I hope Portland does get him. One less team going after Jalen Smith this summer. That’s a kid worth putting some time and effort into. He’s hungry, because he wasn’t gifted 30 minutes of playing time right off the bat. Probably Spursy, too. His dad is a retired Navy CPO.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs fans love Trey Lyles, Sabonis, Marvin Bagley, Julius Randle.
But please don’t trade for John Collins, the only one of these guys who would actually improve the team :lol

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/Eisenberg43/status/1491436392639254530

[exstatic]

Spurs fans love Trey Lyles, Sabonis, Marvin Bagley, Julius Randle.
But please don’t trade for John Collins, the only one of these guys who would actually improve the team :lol

I’d like a Collins trade, I’d just rather wait for this summer so we don’t F up our draft position.

[RC_Drunkford]

I’d like a Collins trade, I’d just rather wait for this summer so we don’t F up our draft position.

I'm with you on that, that's why I hope he doesn't get traded at the deadline. I just think people here really don't understand how well he would fit on this team

[Mr. Body]

The word has really sharpened that Nets and Philly are swapping their disaffected players. Nets are tanking and need a major shift; the rules changes have turned Harden ordinary, the Sixers need to push for the Trophy now and they're close. I think Simmons is a bit of a joke, but he might be okay in Brooklyn. Mystery team does suggest a team like the Spurs who play it close to the vest. There to facilitate a huge deal with smaller pieces or expirings.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/Eisenberg43/status/1491436392639254530

this trade would be funny. I read that the Sixers have 2 teams lined up who would absorb Harris' contract into cap space in the offseason, so they can free up money to make a run at Harden. I don't think that's a good move for Philly though. Harden is 33 and wants a max contract. That could turn into a liability very soon. If the Spurs can somehow get into this and get some assets out of it while helping to facilitate this kind of move I'm all for it.

[Ocotillo]

The discussion of Bagley reminds me of Trey Lyles in that Lyles was a lottery pick four who underperformed and was signed on a low cost free agent deal by the Spurs. That may be the only way Bagley dons the silver and black.

[baseline bum]

That’s every player who left the Lakers tbh

Julian and Lonzo aren't stars lol

[Dverde]

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Just imagine if Indy can get Haliburton and ship off the Buddy Hield contract for something better…that’s like that Kevin Costner Game Day stuff :lol

[baseline bum]

I am stretching a bit here because he wasn't shit but Wiggins is an example of someone who is really starting to shine.

IDK, Wiggins still kind of strikes me as empty stats

[Leetonidas]

Bagley can play period point blank, his attitude very well be the hindrance! If he is shipped here it might save his career

What makes you think he can play "period point blank" cus everything I've seen suggests otherwise.

Spurs don't take on shit attitude players crying about their role and touches, especially when they haven't proven shit. Your fascination with him is solely because he was a #2 pick. He isn't getting traded here:lol

[exstatic]

IDK, Wiggins still kind of strikes me as empty stats

He’s Danny Green: an underachiever who achieved when surrounded by HOF players who draw all of the attention.

[John B]

Spurs fans love Trey Lyles, Sabonis, Marvin Bagley, Julius Randle.
But please don’t trade for John Collins, the only one of these guys who would actually improve the team :lol

I like John Collins trade. But then again, the upside he has over Bagley is Bagley’s questionable motor and attitude. Everything else, Bagley is more a complete player. Bagley can post, create for himself, has guards handles and facilitate. Collins needs a pnr guard to get him going. It’s a big IF, but IF Spurs can get Bagley going, he’s a better complete player than Collins.

[baseline bum]

this trade would be funny. I read that the Sixers have 2 teams lined up who would absorb Harris' contract into cap space in the offseason, so they can free up money to make a run at Harden. I don't think that's a good move for Philly though. Harden is 33 and wants a max contract. That could turn into a liability very soon. If the Spurs can somehow get into this and get some assets out of it while helping to facilitate this kind of move I'm all for it.

As fast as Harden is declining, not like Philly can get better than this trade with what Simmons' value is right now. Would love to see the Spurs land a first for taking on some salary or something to make this deal work though.

[Atl Spur]

What makes you think he can play "period point blank" cus everything I've seen suggests otherwise.

Spurs don't take on shit attitude players crying about their role and touches, especially when they haven't proven shit. Your fascination with him is solely because he was a #2 pick. He isn't getting traded here:lol
Why ask me the question if you already tell me my answer? I’m pretty clear in my post concerning my rationale:) Relax homie

[Dex]

He’s Danny Green: an underachiever who achieved when surrounded by HOF players who draw all of the attention.

The fact that Danny Green broke Ray Allen's Finals record still blows my mind...and in 5 games, no less.

Like basically, Miami had to pick their poison...and their choice was to let Danny shoot and live with the results. Danny proved them wrong for 5 games, but was never the same once they adjusted and is now just another role player floating around the NBA.

[John B]

What makes you think he can play "period point blank" cus everything I've seen suggests otherwise.

Spurs don't take on shit attitude players crying about their role and touches, especially when they haven't proven shit. Your fascination with him is solely because he was a #2 pick. He isn't getting traded here:lol

I don’t think you ever watch him play. Agreed with Ex that he could drifts in games. But his skills are unquestionable, and for a 6’10”. Post, rebound, block, guard handles, drives coast to coast, euro-step, step-back 3’s, finishes ally-ops? Not skilled?? Lol

Agreed it’s not Spursy, but heck a lot of not-so-Spursy players are kicking ass out there. And yes he’s not the kind Spurs would sign anytime soon. It’s just a discussion why sometimes, maybe sometimes it might be worth it to take a swing and not just bunt.

[RC_Drunkford]

I like John Collins trade. But then again, the upside he has over Bagley is Bagley’s questionable motor and attitude. Everything else, Bagley is more a complete player. Bagley can post, create for himself, has guards handles and facilitate. Collins needs a pnr guard to get him going. It’s a big IF, but IF Spurs can get Bagley going, he’s a better complete player than Collins.

there's literally no statistical evidence that supports what you are saying. Comparing Collins' per 36 numbers from this season with Bagley's from any season shows that Collins is a better player in EVERY category except rebounds where Bagley gets 1 more. Collins also shoots far better percentages from everywhere on the floor than Bagley. He's better in every field in Raptor ranking. And let's not talk about being the roll man, because Collins is basically the best player in the entire NBA when it comes to that.

And by the way Collins generated 0.2 more points per posession on post ups than Bagley last season. So how is Bagley a better post player?

[John B]

Julian and Lonzo aren't stars lol

Cherry picking these two :lol But yes, Randle was selected AS in 2020-21. If that doesn’t make him a star, then you’re saying DJ is not as a replacement :lol

Point is, yes there have been plenty of players in bad organizations and became stars elsewhere. Again pointing out ex-Lakers picks here.

[John B]

there's literally no statistical evidence that supports what you are saying. Comparing Collins' per 36 numbers from this season with Bagley's from any season shows that Collins is a better player in EVERY category except rebounds where Bagley gets 1 more. Collins also shoots far better percentages from everywhere on the floor than Bagley. He's better in every field in Raptor ranking. And let's not talk about being the roll man, because Collins is basically the best player in the entire NBA when it comes to that.

And by the way Collins generated 0.2 more points per posession on post ups than Bagley last season. So how is Bagley a better post player?

If Bagley is the better player NOW, then he wouldn’t be in a trade discussion, would he? I said Bagley’s skills are more complete as pointed out. And yes IF Spurs could get him playing at his potentials, he could be a franchise player, and yes better than Collins. Again it could be high risk, but franchise altering rewards IF he pans out.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Bagley is the better player NOW, then he wouldn’t be in a trade discussion, would he? I said Bagley’s skills are more complete as pointed out. And yes IF Spurs could get him playing at his potentials, he could be a franchise player, and yes better than Collins. Again it could be high risk, but franchise altering rewards IF he pans out.


you are literally the Sacramento Kings of Spurstalk :lol Do you work for their front office?

[Dejounte]

Midnight tonight is the deadline or midnight tomorrow?

[RC_Drunkford]

Thursday, Feb. 10 at 3 p.m. ET

[Leetonidas]

I don’t think you ever watch him play. Agreed with Ex that he could drifts in games. But his skills are unquestionable, and for a 6’10”. Post, rebound, block, guard handles, drives coast to coast, euro-step, step-back 3’s, finishes ally-ops? Not skilled?? Lol

Agreed it’s not Spursy, but heck a lot of not-so-Spursy players are kicking ass out there. And yes he’s not the kind Spurs would sign anytime soon. It’s just a discussion why sometimes, maybe sometimes it might be worth it to take a swing and not just bunt.

I don't think the word skilled appeared in my post at all. :lol

Yall are seriously missing the point. But if you wanna keep fawning over a player the entire league won't take for free because you're so sure you know something the rest of the NBA doesnt...by all means:lol

[r0drig0lac]

I like John Collins trade. But then again, the upside he has over Bagley is Bagley’s questionable motor and attitude. Everything else, Bagley is more a complete player. Bagley can post, create for himself, has guards handles and facilitate. Collins needs a pnr guard to get him going. It’s a big IF, but IF Spurs can get Bagley going, he’s a better complete player than Collins.

and I'm still waiting for the list of posters that don't want a "Collins trade", as this is being talked about here as if it's common opinion on the forum.

[John B]

you are literally the Sacramento Kings of Spurstalk :lol Do you work for their front office?

:lol Nice ad hominem come back. Listen, it doesn't affect me whatever Spurs does. Just a fan in smoke break

[Dex]

Midnight tonight is the deadline or midnight tomorrow?

3PM ET tomorrow

[slick'81]

So nothing on the spurs front?

[Dex]

So nothing on the spurs front?

Uh....it would be in this thread, or on the front page if something was happening.