Spurs Trade Rumor Thread (Spurs eyeing Collins, Osman? Fielding calls on Jak?)

[baseline bum]

Charlotte's pick situation is complicated. They have a 2022 Pelicans pick that is lottery protected , otherwise turns into 2 seconds. Meh.

The first pick of theirs they could trade is 2027, unless they renegotiate some protections on already traded picks.

Blech, not interested in trading Poetl if they're not getting a guaranteed first with Washington.

[rankingtear]

If they trade Jakob might as well trade White. ATL is the most logical fit if not Collins maybe Huerter and their pick this year.

[John B]

First SAGirl leaving us for Griz. I hate seeing Sugus go follow, Hornets?? :lol

[duncan2150]

Not a big fan of this Poetl deal, Washington is a pure PF or a small ball 5. he will not protect your paint wich is a need for the spurs. Jones is a project ....

[CGD]

Do that CHA deal, except not for that fake NOP 1st

[td4mvp2k]

I respect these moves. Looks like GM Wright is in charge. Now they’ll find a nice landing spot for Lonnie. They’ll take care of him.
suns are looking for a backup guard a jalen smith swap makes sense

[Degoat]

Hope we do that Charlotte deal, we need versatile guys with size like PJ and Kai and it would signal were fully rebuilding

[heyheymymy]

Man this has been like Christmas morning for the front office. Brian Wrong getting it right.

[John B]

Hope we do that Charlotte deal, we need versatile guys with size like PJ and Kai and it would signal were fully rebuilding

That CAVS game really exposed us as far as height

[Spursfanfromafar]

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1491821939576348682

I am willing to bet that this is bogus.

[Mr. Body]

Definitely don't like that Charlotte trade. No, sir.

[XDT76]

That CAVS game really exposed us as far as height

It can't be only now, even a casual like me can see that at the start of the season.

[RC_Drunkford]

If they trade Jakob might as well trade White. ATL is the most logical fit if not Collins maybe Huerter and their pick this year.


honestly if they trade White for Collins they need to keep Poeltl. It's either Poeltl or White that gets dealt.

[Dex]

I still don't see the Collins thing happening. Other teams are interested, and now we don't even have Thad or Eubanks to throw in the deal. Unless we are doing White+Poeltl, I don't see Atlanta biting and that's without even looking to see if salaries match.

[Truckules]

That CAVS game really exposed us as far as height

The Cavs are an outlier in terms of size. No one else in the league can play three 7 footers at the same time.

[exstatic]

Charlotte's pick situation is complicated. They have a 2022 Pelicans pick that is lottery protected , otherwise turns into 2 seconds. Meh.

The first pick of theirs they could trade is 2027, unless they renegotiate some protections on already traded picks.

Where are you getting that info? RealGM is showing their only outgoing FRP is this year’s to ATL, meaning they could trade a FRP as soon as 2024.

[The Truth #6]

That Yak trade seems very interesting. The pick is a question mark, but if Kai Jones is showing progress, that might be something that could potentially swing this likely bogus rumor.

[Portnoy1000]

Pop will definitely do the Charlotte deal. He don't like guys over 6-8 ������. I bet Poetl to him is like Jaws in the James Bond movies

[TD 21]

Not a big fan of this Poetl deal, Washington is a pure PF or a small ball 5. he will not protect your paint wich is a need for the spurs. Jones is a project ....

As much as the Spurs need young, versatile front court pieces and this might sound nice, in the end it'd likely be a pu pu platter. Decent third big probably about to get overpaid, project big and mid roundish 1st for an early prime, value contract, positive impact player.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Where are you getting that info? RealGM is showing their only outgoing FRP is this year’s to ATL, meaning they could trade a FRP as soon as 2024.

Realgm as well - there's only one pick outgoing, but it's protected all the way to 2025.

[ginobilized]

This is the most action I can recall at the deadline.
Very nice moves and there may be more to come.

I have to give credit where it is due. Brian Wright is earning his keep!

[heyheymymy]

I remember a lot of discussion about Kai here on ST during that draft. Some members were high on him. I like Poeltl but it might be time to sell high. He's either not going to improve on FTs and individual post D but if he does he might then become too expensive. Doesn't it feel like lose lose there?

And then you think about how SA polished the fuck out of Poeltl in the first place, might be pretty genius in hindsight to bundle him at the peak of his value, value SA is largely responsible for building up, and flip him into new pieces for the future that level up the Spurs ceiling even higher.

Especially since Poeltl was a part of a longer bundle up since George Hill > Kawhi > the DDR deal > juice up Poeltl and flip > ?

Spurs been rolling this value up for over a decade lol.

Obvs would rather stand pat if offered pieces aren't tantalizing, which credit the Spurs FO that they seem to be super disciplined with incredible impulse control. Spurs don't really do lateral deals and everyone on ST complains on "we like what we have" but I feel like you'd rather sit and hold than just take something mediocre for the sake of moving. Bet if ST heard some of the shitty offers on the phone themselves they'd see why "what we have", while shitty was better than some trash offer.

[rankingtear]

As much as the Spurs need young, versatile front court pieces, Poeltl is a positive impact player and they don't grow on trees.

Meanwhile, Washington is a decent third big, Jones is a project and the 1st would be mid roundish (yes, they'd have 3 plus the Lakers 2nd, but still).

It is now or never for a Jakob trade, i believe he only has 1 year left on his deal. And it seems Wright ideal roster is a shooter at center.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That Charlotte deal is trash. Wright would be back to persona non grata with that deal after a good week of work.

[TD 21]

It is now or never for a Jakob trade, i believe he only has 1 year left on his deal. And it seems Wright ideal roster is a shooter at center.

He's signed through '23, so it's not now or never and ideal roster construction or not, you don't give away good assets for mediocrity.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Re Jakob trade it really depends on how the Spurs value Kai Jones. If they've liked him during the draft they might see the Charlotte deal as a good rotation player in Washington + 2 first round picks, which is solid.

[ginobilized]

The Charlotte deal is intriguing. Continue the tank and rebuild around young, developing talent. I like that.

The Spurs are playing the long game and they have done very well, as numerous posters have pointed out.

It is the first time I have been genuinely excited by Spurs moves on deadline day in 25 yrs.

[Degoat]

What if Jakob expressed interest in playing on a playoff team? After Demar, Rudy, and Patty left he might have expressed a desire to be moved as well. Spurs said they wanted a solid player and a pick and that’s what’s being offered

[KobesAchilles]

I mean doesn't Kai Jones really suck? It would be another project for the Spurs just to get him up to Poeltl level. I think they even sent him down to the GL. So trading Poeltl for PJ/Kai seems like a bad trade. Though if we can get a lightly protected pick from them then I guess you take the deal. Top4 protected or something bc CHA is gonna be in the lottery

[Dejounte]

As much as I don’t believe in Kai’s upside being the next Giannis or anything like that, I would definitely do the trade. Poeltl brings a lot of value defensively, but the lack of offensive output is glaring at times.

[John B]

It is now or never for a Jakob trade, i believe he only has 1 year left on his deal. And it seems Wright ideal roster is a shooter at center.

Yup sell high and get that Kai Jones dream back

I can’t count how many FRP and SRP picks Spurs have, a sizable cap space this Summer, still plenty of movable assets, plus our own top 7? (at least) pick. I hope this get us close to that tier 1 player and top prospect going forward. I hate another tanking season.

[Mr. Body]

I mean doesn't Kai Jones really suck?

Yes.

[Mr. Body]

As much as I don’t believe in Kai’s upside being the next Giannis or anything like that, I would definitely do the trade. Poeltl brings a lot of value defensively, but the lack of offensive output is glaring at times.

So you're trading Poeltl for a guy who can do neither offense nor defense?

[mo7888]

I probably do the Charlotte deal if the frp is solid. Kai was high on my personal board last year (12 I believe) based on talent but realizing he's raw and a project.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Our interior D goes to sh!t if we lose Poeltl. Not sure I've seen a deal yet that I'd move him for.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As much as I don’t believe in Kai’s upside being the next Giannis or anything like that, I would definitely do the trade. Poeltl brings a lot of value defensively, but the lack of offensive output is glaring at times.

So you want to downgrade on defense and offense with Kai?

[Kevin]

Jones is horrible despite his draft status. Maybe Jak and the Lakers pick for Washington and a lotto protected first in this years draft.

[RC_Drunkford]

I guess Spurs stacked up on 2nds to do more pick swaps for 1sts. Makes perfect sense. Now the Charlotte deal looks good, but I don't think I'd do it. PJ Washington won't fix anything on this team if you give up Poeltl for him. And there are really no C's who could replace what Poeltl does in FA besides Mo Bamba maybe.

What this team really needs is a sidekick to DJ. I'd much rather move White with the logjam we got at the guard spots anyway and even include one of those firsts we got in a trade for a real upgrade. Doesn't make much sense to me to keep sucking for another 3 years with all the young guys we got already

[heyheymymy]

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The Charlotte deal is intriguing. Continue the tank and rebuild around young, developing talent. I like that.

The Spurs are playing the long game and they have done very well, as numerous posters have pointed out.

It is the first time I have been genuinely excited by Spurs moves on deadline day in 25 yrs.

Very impressed with these moves. Dumped a lot of turds with very clean returns.

Rewind the tape ST, wouldn't you be pretty satisfied if someone told you in Jan that you'd get rid of Bryn, Eubanks and Thad, as well as already shedding transitional mid-point facilitator Juancho (even extracting addtl value w/ Juancho covering small shifts in the mean time), with savvy returns of 2 SRP and 1 FRP (IIRC, lol, lost count here) and burden-less salary?

Could be speaking too soon too, there may be a bit more to come still yet.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Check the source of the Poeltl to Hornets rumor, folks. Such random website. I call it complete bogus. The Spurs aren't giving up their second best player for trash and a FRP. They will seek a good young talent for sure. I would be surprised if they traded Poeltl at all. At best, it would be a smokescreen.

[Degoat]

If the spurs are embracing the rebuild then getting versatile young players and a pick makes sense for Jakob.

[John B]

So you're trading Poeltl for a guy who can do neither offense nor defense?

Keeping that dream alive :lol


https://youtu.be/jZoQR4TFqp4

[spurraider21]

i wouldnt make that trade for Yak. dude is an awesome value right now. the fact that we have him locked in under 10 mil for next season says somebody is going to have to pry him out

[RC_Drunkford]

Harden to Philly

[Degoat]

Harden and Simmons traded

[heyheymymy]

Last time I was thrilled at the Spurs deadline was what 2012? When they picked up Diaw off waivers

[Dejounte]

This myth of Poeltl being a really good center is over the top. He regressed heavily over the course of the season and isn’t this defensive monster people make him out to be. This is coming from someone who supported him. I’m not against the idea that it is just a funk, however.

[CGD]

i wouldnt make that trade for Yak. dude is an awesome value right now. the fact that we have him locked in under 10 mil for next season says somebody is going to have to pry him out

The literal day after the trade deadline his value goes down.

[Leetonidas]

Harden/Simmons trade is a done deal

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

People forget the year Spurs sent RJ to Warriors for Stephen Jackson. The servers died for a while.

[Degoat]

I kinda think the nets won that trade tbh Harden and Emiid are gonna clash

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Harden and Simmons traded

Not a shock. A prima donna for prima donna swap, and tbh, I think both teams improve with this trade.

[heyheymymy]

People forget the year Spurs sent RJ to Warriors for Stephen Jackson. The servers died for a while.

Oh man I forgot about that. It was like the return of the prodigal son lol

so many "WE STACKEDDDD" posts lol

[John B]

The Brooklyn Nets are trading James Harden to the Philadelphia 76ers for Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Andre Drummond and two first-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

[Mr. Body]

Nets making a smart move. I don't like Simmons that much, but Harden is a fat blob of trash at this point. When he's not getting his calls, what is he? Philly getting tubby for a big championship push this year might work, tho.

[RC_Drunkford]

that's a whole lot for Harden who's looking to want a max extension. 2 FRPs? Nets won that

[heyheymymy]

Nets making a smart move. I don't like Simmons that much, but Harden is a fat blob of trash at this point. When he's not getting his calls, what is he? Philly getting tubby for a big championship push this year might work, tho.

Pretty smart deal for both teams. Like a cancer swap.

Hate to see Morey appear to unshackle from a self made albatross though cause it kinda looks like he saves a little face in the end though no doubt cost the franchise a ton of stress in the meantime.

[SPURt]

Sixers getting man handled in that Harden/Simmons trade. Kyrie and KD don’t need a scorer but a defender anyways. Harden is just like his diet, empty calories. The internet will be flooded now with thought pieces on the trade. Unless Lakers make a trade.

[Gibbz]

I'm not seeing how the Nets won the deal considering the big centerpiece of it headed their way is a dude who refuses to play. We know how that works. If anything it's a wash.

[mo7888]

that's a whole lot for Harden who's looking to want a max extension. 2 FRPs? Nets won that

Easily a win for Brooklyn... Marks turned what could have been a locker room debacle into a win against Morey.

[mo7888]

I'm not seeing how the Nets won the deal considering the big centerpiece of it headed their way is a dude who refuses to play. We know how that works. If anything it's a wash.

It's a dude who refused to play for philly....he'll be on court for the Nets sooner rather than later..

[RC_Drunkford]

Kai Jones doesn't look that bad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNei_Vds-bg

[Gibbz]

It's a dude who refused to play for philly....he'll be on court for the Nets sooner rather than later..

Yeah I'm sure he'll buy in and suddenly be a great teammate. :drunk

[Leetonidas]

Nets fleeced the Sixers...Harden has declined big time, they gave up their best shooter, their Embiid backup, and two firsts. Ouch.

Can't wait for Philly fans to boo Harden when he puts up his typical 2-14 with 5 TOs in a closeout playoff game :lmao

[mo7888]

Yeah I'm sure he'll buy in and suddenly be a great teammate. :drunk


Obviously youre being sarcastic but...in actuality he will....

[rankingtear]

He's signed through '23, so it's not now or never and ideal roster construction or not, you don't give away good assets for mediocrity.

If they get a real first that's more value than the Aaron Gordon deal more than other similar bigs went for Capela Adams Valaciunas. They won't get that for a 1 year rental. I don't think they would resign him.

[Dverde]

Morey and Harden deserve each other.

[Mugen]

Good deal for the Nets tbh.

[John B]

Yeah I'm sure he'll buy in and suddenly be a great teammate. :drunk

Playing with Durant. I don’t know what they’re going to do with Kyrie. I mean this Covid restrictions could be over soon (I hope).

[heyheymymy]

Kai Jones looks exactly like the type of raw lump of clay that the Spurs specialize in sculpting up. Just a matter of them thinking they like or want the project.

Spurs also are super star shy after Kawhi diva'd out so I could see them favoring project types that might tend to demonstrate loyalty vs. getting limelight hungry.

[Mr. Body]

Nets fleeced the Sixers...Harden has declined big time, they gave up their best shooter, their Embiid backup, and two firsts. Ouch.

Can't wait for Philly fans to boo Harden when he puts up his typical 2-14 with 5 TOs in a closeout playoff game :lmao

I live in Brooklyn's market. Harden is absolutely not the player he was. With the rules changes, he was insta-downgraded several levels, plus he's slower and less reactive. He can definitely help Philly over the hump this year, but Nets getting two good rotation pieces, where these were shaky spots with injuries, in Curry and Drummond, plus two picks... Marks is doing a good job. Probably overpaid for Harden last year (definitely), but the schedule hurt a lot of players and it was a chance he had to take.

[KingKev]

Check the source of the Poeltl to Hornets rumor, folks. Such random website. I call it complete bogus. The Spurs aren't giving up their second best player for trash and a FRP. They will seek a good young talent for sure. I would be surprised if they traded Poeltl at all. At best, it would be a smokescreen.

other way around. Horents arent giving up basically 3FRPs for Jak.

[Seventyniner]

WTF

Spurs trade White for Josh Richardson?!

[exstatic]

Realgm as well - there's only one pick outgoing, but it's protected all the way to 2025.

Gotcha. That pick is pretty likely to convey by 2024. They can structure it like Chicago did. The CHI pick is 2025, or two years after their pick conveys to Orlando, which hypothetically could be as late as 2024, in which case our pick gets bumped to 2026.

[Gibbz]

Shams reporting DW to Boston for Josh Richardson. Guessing there will be draft compensation.

[mo7888]

DW to Boston for J Richardson...(and hopefully draft compensation)

[Seventyniner]

Spurs tearing everything the fuck down, looks like. Poeltl getting moved wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Dejounte]

Whoa

[scott]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
1m
The Boston Celtics are trading Josh Richardson to the San Antonio Spurs for Derrick White, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

WTF IS THIS SHIT

[itzsoweezee]

Hope they’re getting a pick out of it. Otherwise, it doesn’t make much sense

[Seventyniner]

Spurs evidently getting a 1st too, not sure from whom or what the protections are.

[Mr. Body]

Shams reporting DW to Boston for Josh Richardson. Guessing there will be draft compensation.

Damn that makes me unhappy.

[RC_Drunkford]

WTF?

[heyheymymy]

https://youtu.be/0IZaSQSKqOE

[heyheymymy]

All the Josh Richardson highlight clips are from 2018 wtf

[Leetonidas]

Unless we're getting some nice draft capital...wtf. JRich is decent, but this is not really what i was hoping for. Sad to see Derrick go for that

[Dverde]

Probably worse trades out there for White. I firmly believe the Spurs look out for their homegrown players and where they send them. White gets to go play for coach Udoka again.

[Degoat]

Not DWhite!!! My boy lol better be lots of draft capital

[Ice009]

Unless we're getting some nice draft capital...wtf. JRich is decent, but this is not really what i was hoping for. Sad to see Derrick go for that

I haven't really watched much of Josh Richardson. How long has he been in the league and how does he compare to White? I guess Ime knows White, so he was the one that probably wanted White. As much as I was disappointed in White, I think it's a great trade for Boston.

[RC_Drunkford]

Langford and a 1st to Spurs

[dubross]

Josh Richardson, Langford and 1st for White. I’ll take that.

[Dverde]

Bill Simmons tried to get D. White included on his worst 2022 contracts podcast. Watch him turn his take around now :lol. I love this move for the Celts :lol

[Leetonidas]

Really didn't expect the Spurs to trade any "core" guys. Really think they're going to trade Poeltl

at least they're stacking 1st round picks

[John B]

Kai Jones looks exactly like the type of raw lump of clay that the Spurs specialize in sculpting up. Just a matter of them thinking they like or want the project.

Spurs also are super star shy after Kawhi diva'd out so I could see them favoring project types that might tend to demonstrate loyalty vs. getting limelight hungry.

People are calling a bogus trade, but I hope it goes thru. I like Kai Jones as a project big. I think Spurs might have saw something in him and now the opportunity comes.

I don’t get Hornets wanting Jakob though. I see him as a win now piece for contenders.

[John B]

Kai Jones looks exactly like the type of raw lump of clay that the Spurs specialize in sculpting up. Just a matter of them thinking they like or want the project.

Spurs also are super star shy after Kawhi diva'd out so I could see them favoring project types that might tend to demonstrate loyalty vs. getting limelight hungry.

People are calling a bogus trade, but I hope it goes thru. I like Kai Jones as a project big. I think Spurs might have saw something in him and now the opportunity comes.

I don’t get Hornets wanting Jakob though. I see him as a win now piece for contenders.

[itzsoweezee]

Spurs finally accepting reality, only three years too late

[dubross]

That first from the celtics is 2022 first rd (1-4) protected. Decent chance it will be a lottery pick.

[John B]

More minutes for Lonnie :lol

[rankingtear]

Oof i thought they would trade White but closer to the draft where his value is higher, it looks like Wright wants Primo minutes.

[spurraider21]

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[Ice009]

How much time left before the trade deadline is reached?

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean Richardson is the same age as White, only signed for another year and on a cheaper contract. He's also a better 3-point shooter and can playmake and defend. I kinda get it, but if they were about to deal him, send him to the fuckin Hawks for Collins!!!

[Ice009]

Spurs finally accepting reality, only three years too late

I don't know if I am right or wrong, but I do think they should have done this earlier. Not sure if the haul would have been better or worse doing it earlier?

[Leetonidas]

Spurs are clearing a ton of space...

[Dejounte]

Where the fuck is my boy Sugus

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1491844825078972419

[spurraider21]

instagram baller > fathead 2.0

[RC_Drunkford]

Nets apparently want to trade Claxton and pics for Myles Turner

[Degoat]

Wow hope this doesn’t piss off DJ or the other young guys

[Trill Clinton]

Good haul for White

[exstatic]

That first from the celtics is 2022 first rd (1-4) protected. Decent chance it will be a lottery pick.

I’d call it 50/50.

OKC is looking in their FRP stash rear view mirror…

[heyheymymy]

I hate to lose White but it feels like his money only goes up as his peak declines. 16, 17, 18 mil per over the next 3 seasons overlapping with Derrick moving beyond the wrong side of 26 years old.

[exstatic]

I mean Richardson is the same age as White, only signed for another year and on a cheaper contract. He's also a better 3-point shooter and can playmake and defend. I kinda get it, but if they were about to deal him, send him to the fuckin Hawks for Collins!!!

Langford the the player value, and the pick could be in the lottery. Boston is on the knife’s edge right now. The pick is only protected 1-4.

[John B]

I don't know if I am right or wrong, but I do think they should have done this earlier. Not sure if the haul would have been better or worse doing it earlier?

Nah now is the best time as a seller when teams already got good idea what they have. It’s maximizing our assets.

[Degoat]

Gonna have to make Dragic play now, fck that buyout he wants lol

[barakz21]

How do pick protections work? Like for the Celtics pick, if it’s anywhere outside of 1-4 then the spurs get it?

[Dverde]

Spurs will also have the right to swap first-round picks with Boston in 2028, sources tell ESPN.

[itzsoweezee]

I don't know if I am right or wrong, but I do think they should have done this earlier. Not sure if the haul would have been better or worse doing it earlier?

They had kawhi, LMA, Patty, Danny Green, etc. they had a ton of assets that I think would have yielded better results than what they have now.

[itzsoweezee]

I don't know if I am right or wrong, but I do think they should have done this earlier. Not sure if the haul would have been better or worse doing it earlier?

They had kawhi, LMA, Patty, Danny Green, etc. they had a ton of assets that I think would have yielded better results than what they have now.

[Seventyniner]

Guys talking about Zach Collins, someone in these guys' fantasy league picked him up. They're saying Zach is one reason the Spurs were willing to give up Young (though they acknowledged Young was gone no matter what) and also might make the Spurs more likely to trade Poeltl.

[RC_Drunkford]

Langford the the player value, and the pick could be in the lottery. Boston is on the knife’s edge right now. The pick is only protected 1-4. I doubt they'll be in the lottery with Derrick on the team. They have been on a winning streak recently. The deal is decent I can't front.

[superbigtime]

Bye D White.

[RC_Drunkford]

Montrez Harrell to the Hornets

[John B]

This is the most moves I’ve seen the Spurs made in a day… in a season ����. We have 3(?) FRP’s and SRP(?). I wonder if Spurs bundle to trade up if they see someone they like or trade for a tier 1? Big cap space and still plenty of assets. Good job GM Wright!

[Seventyniner]

Montrezl Harrell traded to the Hornets.

Guys on the show aren't sure if that makes it less likely they trade for Poeltl or if it makes PJ Washington expendable (or both).

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Poeltl deal to Hornets dead, if there ever was one.

I bet Harrell was like plan D for them at best.

[heyheymymy]

So Spurs have?

Bulls 22 FRP
Raps 22 FRP
Celts 22 FRP
Spurs 22 FRP

[Degoat]

I’d say that makes it less likely Charlotte trades for Jakob

[Degoat]

I would have much rather done the proposed Charlotte deal vs the Bos DWhite deal but oh well

[BackHome]

Tankathon I believe updated there mock to show recent trades -it shows us with 3 picks in first round 2022

[John B]

So Spurs have?

Bulls 22 FRP
Raps 22 FRP
Celts 22 FRP
Spurs 22 FRP

Is this a deep draft? I wander if they use the highest, or bundle to trade for a higher pick they like, or trade for a tier 1. Damn, good job for our whipping boy GM :lol

[heyheymymy]

Correction

So Spurs have?

Raps 22 FRP
Celts 22 FRP
Spurs 22 FRP

[John B]

So that Hawks interest on White was a smoke screen? Are they still on play for Collins? Maybe 3 FRP’s that we’re getting for Collins? Let’s go!

[BackHome]

Yes for 2022 we have 3 first and we only have the Flakers second round pick

[Degoat]

Gross trade for the mavs and wizards unless there’s more to it

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Porzingis to Washington wow

[John B]

I like Derrick, but that’s a nice haul for a player who can’t stay on the court.

[exstatic]

So Spurs have?

Bulls 22 FRP
Raps 22 FRP
Celts 22 FRP
Spurs 22 FRP

Scratch off the top one. The Bulls pick is in 2025 or later.
Raps pick protected 1-14. Ver likely to convey
Celts pick protected 1-4. Nearly a lock to convey

Also, a FRP pick swap option in 2028 with Boston.

[Leetonidas]

Zinger to Washington for Dinwidde and Bertans is so random

[KingKev]

Spurs are clearing a ton of space...

huh? Today’s trades amount to another 3-4mm if Langford leaves in free agency as an RFA. We already had 35+ this offseason assuming Walker is renounced.

[Mr. Body]

The corpse of Porzingis for two bad players in Dinwiddie and Bertans.

[rankingtear]

2 bad contracts for Zinger ooof.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs have

Bulls 25 FRP

Raps 22 FRP
Celts 22 FRP
Spurs 22 FRP
Lakers 22 SRP

Celtics 2028 FRP swap
Nuggets 2028 SRP

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dallas sending a 2nd to Washington as well.

Was Porzingis's value that low? Both Dinwiddie and Bertans are awful value for their contracts.

[exstatic]

The corpse of Porzingis for two bad players in Dinwiddie and Bertans.

Must have tax implications.

[Spursfanfromafar]

What a steal for the Wizards. Bertans and Dinwiddie were flop FA/extension signings. Porzingis can be a solid No 3 behind Beal and whoever the Wiz get next to partner them.

[John B]

All these trades and Lakers still stuck with Westbrick :lmao:lmao

[heyheymymy]

Is this a deep draft? I wander if they use the highest, or bundle to trade for a higher pick they like, or trade for a tier 1. Damn, good job for our whipping boy GM :lol

Extrapolate the brilliant navigation of these deadline moves to the draft day when Spurs FO has so many assets therefore options. Brian Wright has loads of picks he can package in any number of ways to move up or down on a target or grab multiple targets. Plus tons of cap space cleared for optimal future financial flexibility. Being able to target any player or players he wants in the draft means a lot knowing how well Spurs talent scout. Means more than the avg team with the same advantageous positioning.

[barakz21]

So assuming that’s the spurs call it day, who’s in the SL? Lonnie or Vassel?

[MannyIsGod]

So many of you miserable fucks were sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking insistent that the Spurs were never going to make a mid season trade and that this was just like all the previous seasons despite it being obviously different and it being clear the Spurs were going to make moves mid season. I hope y'all learned something and can be a little less miserable going foward.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Can't believe Dallas couldn't get one of Rui/Avdija/Kispert.

They would have been all over a Thad+White for Porzingis trade.

[Seventyniner]

huh? Today’s trades amount to another 3-4mm if Langford leaves in free agency as an RFA. We already had 35+ this offseason assuming Walker is renounced.

White is due $17M next season while Langford is due $5.6M and only $4M of Richardson's $12M is guaranteed.

This trade should open up around $7M in cap space assuming the Spurs waive Richardson and keep Langford.

[exstatic]

Spurs have

Bulls 25 FRP

Raps 22 FRP
Celts 22 FRP
Spurs 22 FRP
Lakers 22 SRP

Celtics 2028 FRP swap
Nuggets 2028 SRP

Also,
Bulls 2025 SRP
Worst of 2026 Indy, Miami SRP
Worst of 2027 OKC,Indy,Miami,Houston

There’s also a weird SRP swap thing with Indy in 2023. We each owe each other a 31-55 protected SRP, meaning they probably won’t convey in either direction.

[Jordan Jackson]

It basically took this franchise 4 years to figure out it needed to rebuild.

Yes - definitely praise worthy.

[John B]

Is the Poeltl deal dead?

[slick'81]

Wat the fck is happening . Im not sure how to take this all in

[heyheymymy]

Also,
Bulls 2025 SRP
Worst of 2026 Indy, Miami SRP
Worst of 2027 OKC,Indy,Miami,Houston

There’s also a weird SRP swap thing with Indy in 2023. We each owe each other a 31-55 protected SRP, meaning they probably won’t convey in either direction.

Isn't it Bulls 22 SRP and Bulls 25 FRP?

So many picks I can't keep up lol

[John B]

Wat the fck is happening . Im not sure how to take this all in

Welcome to Bizarro Spurs :lol

With all these actions, all the bitches are out :lmao

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Isn't it Bulls 22 SRP and Bulls 25 FRP?

So many picks I can't keep up lol

Imagine being a OKC fan lol they care more about spreadsheets and mathematical projections than about real NBA games.

[szkorhetz]

Lakers did nothing?

[buttsR4rebounding]

And it's done.

[John B]

Any news on Poeltl trade? I swear if this trade pass and he’s still in Spurs uniform instead of Kai Jones :lol

Does this mean that Lonnie is our starting SG for the rest of the year? No suitors for him or give him chance to earn his next contract, Spurs way :lol

[John B]

Lakers did nothing?

Will start hearing trades confirmations trickling down

[buttsR4rebounding]

Isn't it Bulls 22 SRP and Bulls 25 FRP?

So many picks I can't keep up lol

It was the Detroit pick that was traded that we got from the Bulls for 2022.

[crc21209]

I'm fine with either one of Vassell or Lonnie starting....

[td4mvp2k]

All these trades and Lakers still stuck with Westbrick :lmao:lmao

[cjw]

Deadline here, but as long as teams have agreed ahead of it they may still trickle out afterwards. League still going through process.

[K...]

Great day, they didn't really lose anything and got draft assets. Nothing today felt desperate which is what dooms teams. The thad trade is closest to a wash, but they probably had to do right by thad, and probably prefer FRP if they are staying low under the cap and want cost limited players.

[MannyIsGod]

Any news on Poeltl trade? I swear if this trade pass and he’s still in Spurs uniform instead of Kai Jones :lol

Does this mean that Lonnie is our starting SG for the rest of the year? No suitors for him or give him chance to earn his next contract, Spurs way :lol

Hornets traded with Washington for Montrez so they def aren't trading for Poeltl.

[exstatic]

And it's done.

They have to submit the trades by the hour, but they can be approved and announced after the hour.

[slick'81]

Damn! Sours putting in some major work and actually acquired frp's and have officially started the rebuild :wow

[Chinook]

They have to submit the trades by the hour, but they can be approved and announced after the hour.


They just have to get onto a trade call with the league by the deadline. They can even hash out compensation during the call if need be.

[heyheymymy]

What is the new depth chart? Something like this:

Murray/Satoransky(Dragic)/Jones
Walker/Primo/Langford
Johnson/Vassel/Richardson/Weiskamp
McDermott/Zollins/KBD/Cacock
Poeltl/Landale

[exstatic]

They just have to get onto a trade call with the league by the deadline. They can even hash out compensation during the call if need be.

Thanks. I think the RJ Jack trade went down in OT ten years ago.

[MannyIsGod]

What is the new depth chart? Something like this:

Murray/Satoransky(Dragic)/Jones
Walker/Primo/Langford
Johnson/Vassel/Richardson/Weiskamp
McDermott/Zollins/KBD/Cacock
Poeltl/Landale

IMO

Murray
Vassel
KJ
Doug
Jakob

First off the Bench

Primo
Lonnie
Collins

After that, I feel its fairly wide open and feel the rest of the season will be an evaluation of the rest of the team.

Tre vs Langford

Walker vs Richardson

KBD to see if he's an NBA caliber player
Landale to see if he's an NBA caliber player

[Dex]

I'm sure somehow this is all Pop's fault.

[Dex]

So many of you miserable fucks were sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking insistent that the Spurs were never going to make a mid season trade and that this was just like all the previous seasons despite it being obviously different and it being clear the Spurs were going to make moves mid season. I hope y'all learned something and can be a little less miserable going foward.

You can't tell me how to manage my misery. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

What is the new depth chart? Something like this:

Murray/Satoransky(Dragic)/Jones
Walker/Primo/Langford
Johnson/Vassel/Richardson/Weiskamp
McDermott/Zollins/KBD/Cacock
Poeltl/Landale

I think line ups will be more like

Murray/Richardson/Jones
Vassell/Walker/Satoransky
Johnson/Primo/Langford
McDermott/KBD
Poeltl/Collins/Landale

[Dverde]

Lakers GM was at Disneyland during the trading deadline :lol
https://twitter.com/714Yunel/status/1491866941044056064

[Dex]

Also a little surprised that with all of this activity, Lonnie Walker is somehow still on the team. Bet he walks this summer, and I wouldn't be too upset about it.

[KingKev]

Spurs are clearing a ton of space...

huh? Today’s trades amount to another 3-4mm if Langford leaves in free agency as an RFA. We already had 35+ this offseason assuming Walker is renounced.

[John B]

Hornets traded with Washington for Montrez so they def aren't trading for Poeltl.

Didn't the Bulls offer a future 1st pick for him? I really thought they should've moved Poeltl because of he's just going to get expensive with his limited offensive upside and overhyped defense.

Well, happy to keep you onboard Sugus :lol

[Dex]

Lakers GM was at Disneyland during the trading deadline :lol
https://twitter.com/714Yunel/status/1491866941044056064

Holy shit, I thought you were just making a joke and then the tweet popped up.

[John B]

huh? Today’s trades amount to another 3-4mm if Langford leaves in free agency as an RFA. We already had 35+ this offseason assuming Walker is renounced.

Is that enough for Ayton? Trading for Collins with our picks? Possibilities :stirpot::stirpot:

[Mugen]

I'm sure somehow this is all Pop's fault.
Dex, I'm pretty sure Pop is just hoping they didn't trade Manu at the deadline

[KingKev]

White is due $17M next season while Langford is due $5.6M and only $4M of Richardson's $12M is guaranteed.

This trade should open up around $7M in cap space assuming the Spurs waive Richardson and keep Langford.

Richardson was a key piece of this trade why would they waive him? Do watch NBA outside of the Spurs?

[KingKev]

Holy shit, I thought you were just making a joke and then the tweet popped up.

This shouldn’t be too surprising. They called the entire league offering Russ, Nunn, THT and a far out first in some form and were hung up on. They had nothing todo.

[lmbebo]

Richardson was a key piece of this trade why would they waive him? Do watch NBA outside of the Spurs?

Think Richardson signed a 2 year extension before season?

[td4mvp2k]

nobody wanted lonnie welp..

[Mugen]

I'm sure somehow this is all Pop's fault.
Dex, I'm pretty sure Pop is just hoping they didn't trade Manu at the deadline

[MannyIsGod]

Richardson was a key piece of this trade why would they waive him? Do watch NBA outside of the Spurs?

Yeah Richardson has value for sure. Dude is shooting nearly .400 from 3, his contract isn't bad. Could be a piece easily involved in an offseason trade if the Spurs need the caproom.

I do wonder how much he'll end up playing for us this year. I would hope that Devin gets most of the minutes at that position.

[Kurgan]

I think line ups will be more like

Murray/Richardson/Jones
Vassell/Walker/Satoransky
Johnson/Primo/Langford
McDermott/KBD
Poeltl/Collins/Landale

That Keldon/McNugget combo at our forward spots is good for this year's tank but I hope it's addressed in the future.

[Russ]

Lakers GM was at Disneyland during the trading deadline :lol
https://twitter.com/714Yunel/status/1491866941044056064

He was in the Fantasyland portion of the park -- pondering this year's Lakers' chances.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yeah Richardson has value for sure. Dude is shooting nearly .400 from 3, his contract isn't bad. Could be a piece easily involved in an offseason trade if the Spurs need the caproom.

I do wonder how much he'll end up playing for us this year. I would hope that Devin gets most of the minutes at that position.

Hope they don't freeze Richardson like they did Thad Young. He's a good player and a positive asset come draft night.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

next stop: China

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1491876707833372678

[Dex]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

next stop: China

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1491876707833372678

Wow, that sucks for Drew. I wasn't his biggest fan as a player and he seems to have regressed in his role this year...but he seems like a nice enough guy and I hate to see anyone who fought that hard to make the NBA suddenly be stuck without a job. Wonder if he will land somewhere else.

Pop, don't get any ideas....

[Mr. Body]

Also a little surprised that with all of this activity, Lonnie Walker is somehow still on the team. Bet he walks this summer, and I wouldn't be too upset about it.

Why would anyone trade for a middling player whose contract expires this summer?

[RC_Drunkford]

Wow, that sucks for Drew. I wasn't his biggest fan as a player and he seems to have regressed in his role this year...but he seems like a nice enough guy and I hate to see anyone who fought that hard to make the NBA suddenly be stuck without a job. Wonder if he will land somewhere else.

Pop, don't get any ideas....


this is a team that doesn't have a center at all on the roster. As I said Pop is the only coach in the league who would give this guy minutes

[Excessive Egotist]

I'd bet the Spurs move Poeltl during the draft or this summer. Doug McDermott and Josh Richardson aggregate to 25M, so if the Spurs want to take back salary in exchange for assets, they can without giving up anything from their core.

I'll give the Spurs a solid B+ at the deadline. Good work from the front office. Turning Forbes into two SRPs is A work. Turning Young into ~11 spot pick swap is B+ work. The White deal is solid, but uncertain. The picks could prove very valuable or merely decent. So I'll give that deal a flat B.

If a player like Kendall Brown or Tari Eason slides to the Spurs' second FRP, they could have a very strong draft.

[Kurgan]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

next stop: China

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1491876707833372678

Culture can only get you so far.

[RC_Drunkford]

Is that enough for Ayton? Trading for Collins with our picks? Possibilities :stirpot::stirpot:


Collins is pretty much off the table with White gone. I don't see how we could get him now

[Gibbz]

That Mavs deal is fucking atrocious for Dallas unless Doncic straight up said get rid of Zinger by any means necessary. Dinwiddie and Bertans will actually make more than Porzingis next year and are both bad players with the same injury shit as Porzingis.

[Seventyniner]

Richardson was a key piece of this trade why would they waive him? Do watch NBA outside of the Spurs?

I think Richardson is expendable if it means signing a key free agent. I don't think he's a bad player.

[KingKev]

It was the Detroit pick that was traded that we got from the Bulls for 2022.
We got the Detroit pick via Washington in the Hutchison deal.

[KingKev]

I think Richardson is expendable if it means signing a key free agent. I don't think he's a bad player.

we are set to have > 35mm in cap even retaining Richardson. I haven’t even seen anywhere that says 22-23 isn’t guaranteed already.

[John B]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

next stop: China

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1491876707833372678

Wow.. Goodluck Drew. I hope a contender will pick him up, a lot of motor and willing to work hard.

[Dverde]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

next stop: China

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1491876707833372678

Watch him sign with the Bucks and get a ring.

[MannyIsGod]

Hope they don't freeze Richardson like they did Thad Young. He's a good player and a positive asset come draft night.

I'm convinced they did that to Thad so he'd miss the games played marker on his contract to make him easier to trade.

[John B]

Spurs Trades:

Received:
- Goran Dragic
- Tomas Satoransky
- Josh Richardson
- Romeo Langford
- Toronto 2022 1st
- Celtics 2022 1st
- Multiple Future 2nd

Sent:
- Derrick White
- Thaddeus Young
- Drew Eubanks
- Juan Hernangomez
- Detroit 2022 2nd

[Mr. Body]

I think there's a place in the league for Eubanks, I really do. I mean, it's as a 3rd string banger, but he's a willing player and a good bench guy.

[exstatic]

I'm convinced they did that to Thad so he'd miss the games played marker on his contract to make him easier to trade.

Yup. That was sharp contract evaluation. They gave him a burst at the beginning to put up stats, then spot, irregular minutes just to show he wasn’t injured.

[exstatic]

I'm convinced they did that to Thad so he'd miss the games played marker on his contract to make him easier to trade.

Yup. That was sharp contract evaluation. They gave him a burst at the beginning to put up stats, then spot, irregular minutes just to show he wasn’t injured.

[Seventyniner]

we are set to have > 35mm in cap even retaining Richardson. I haven’t even seen anywhere that says 22-23 isn’t guaranteed already.

Looks like conflicting reports. I think the show I was listening to said $4M was guaranteed. Hoopshype shows 2022-23 being fully guaranteed, while Shamsports doesn't show any salary for him next year at all.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston_celtics/ (https://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston_celtics/)

Now I'm just confused.

The Shamsports numbers show just under $24M of cap space before today's trades, assuming all cap holds are renounced and Zollins's contract is fully guaranteed. If Richardson's salary is or becomes fully guaranteed (if he's not an expiring after all), that should drop slightly because Langford + Richardson make a bit more next year than White.

[CGD]

Spurs Trades:

Received:
- Goran Dragic
- Tomas Satoransky
- Josh Richardson
- Romeo Langford
- Toronto 2022 1st
- Celtics 2022 1st
- Multiple Future 2nd

Sent:
- Derrick White
- Thaddeus Young
- Drew Eubanks
- Juan Hernangomez
- Detroit 2022 2nd

Forgot the 2028 BOS pick swap

[Mr. Body]

Collins is pretty much off the table with White gone. I don't see how we could get him now

I'm not sure why people think there was any interest in John Collins for the Spurs, especially when it's very clear they are dumping long-term salary. Collins is expensive for a guy not even in the All-Star conversation and isn't fitting on a playoff-capable team already. There are far too many questions about character and fit, not to mention what the Spurs are actually trying to accomplish in the next 3-5 years. On no level does John Collins make sense whatsoever.

[John B]

Forgot the 2028 BOS pick swap
:bobo

Spurs Trades:

Received:
- Goran Dragic
- Tomas Satoransky
- Josh Richardson
- Romeo Langford
- Toronto 2022 1st
- Celtics 2022 1st
- Multiple Future 2nd
- 2028 BOS pick swap

Sent:
- Derrick White
- Thaddeus Young
- Drew Eubanks
- Juan Hernangomez
- Detroit 2022 2nd

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm surprised Memphis sat on their 3 FRPs instead of making one more big move. It's a golden chance for them this year.

[Chinook]

:bobo

Spurs Trades:

Received:
- Goran Dragic
- Tomas Satoransky
- Josh Richardson
- Romeo Langford
- Toronto 2022 1st
- Celtics 2022 1st
- Multiple Future 2nd
- 2028 BOS pick swap

Sent:
- Derrick White
- Thaddeus Young
- Drew Eubanks
- Juan Hernangomez
- Detroit 2022 2nd

As far as I know, they only got one second in this flurry - - the meh 2027 second from Utah.

[baseline bum]

That Mavs deal is fucking atrocious for Dallas unless Doncic straight up said get rid of Zinger by any means necessary. Dinwiddie and Bertans will actually make more than Porzingis next year and are both bad players with the same injury shit as Porzingis.

Wow that trade is almost as moronic as Sacramento's.

[baseline bum]

As far as I know, they only got one second in this flurry - - the meh 2027 second from Utah.

Might end up a good pick when Mitchell bolts from Kolob.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm not sure why people think there was any interest in John Collins for the Spurs, especially when it's very clear they are dumping long-term salary. Collins is expensive for a guy not even in the All-Star conversation and isn't fitting on a playoff-capable team already. There are far too many questions about character and fit, not to mention what the Spurs are actually trying to accomplish in the next 3-5 years. On no level does John Collins make sense whatsoever.

completely wrong evaluation. He fits better on this team than any other PF. The character issues are only rumors, even Hawks fans will tell you they ain't true. And no Collins is not expensive for his production. He earns Jeramie Grant type money, not the max

[baseline bum]

completely wrong evaluation. He fits better on this team than any other PF. The character issues are only rumors, even Hawks fans will tell you they ain't true. And no Collins is not expensive for his production. He earns Jeramie Grant type money, not the max

Damn would have loved to have gotten him draft night. Oh well. Still pretty happy with how this trade deadline played out.

[Mr. Body]

completely wrong evaluation. He fits better on this team than any other PF. The character issues are only rumors, even Hawks fans will tell you they ain't true. And no Collins is not expensive for his production. He earns Jeramie Grant type money, not the max

Nah.

[John B]

completely wrong evaluation. He fits better on this team than any other PF. The character issues are only rumors, even Hawks fans will tell you they ain't true. And no Collins is not expensive for his production. He earns Jeramie Grant type money, not the max

Spurs just traded their best PNR guard in Derrick. As much assists Murray makes, they're more mechanical(?) and not like the Tre/CP3 above-the-rim passes that Collins like. That's my reservation on Collins as the main guy. He's more of a very good 2nd/3rd option. Spurs still need that go-to scorer. It could be a postup PF/C or a Ja Morant type athletic guard.

[r0drig0lac]

Culture can only get you so far.
nba champ, ask to Bryn.

[The Truth #6]

Tangent: not informing Dejounte about the trades (it seems) may be smart. Not sure I trust him with inside info. Great player but maybe too impulsive to keep those type of secrets on the hush hush.

[heyheymymy]

Man it's been a while since I've seen SpurTalk so laggy lol was a blast watching the deadline roll in, nice work everyone

[CGD]

As far as I know, they only got one second in this flurry - - the meh 2027 second from Utah.

We can be charitable and include the one from the Forbes deal, which could be pretty decent.

[R. DeMurre]

Josh Richardson is the ultimate average NBA guy, not great, not terrible, not notable, not hatable. His career ORtg/DRtg is 108/109, and this season, after 44 games and 1087 minutes played, his BPM is exactly 0.0...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richajo01.html

[RC_Drunkford]

Nah.

wow what a strong argument :lmao


Spurs just traded their best PNR guard in Derrick. As much assists Murray makes, they're more mechanical(?) and not like the Tre/CP3 above-the-rim passes that Collins like. That's my reservation on Collins as the main guy. He's more of a very good 2nd/3rd option. Spurs still need that go-to scorer. It could be a postup PF/C or a Ja Morant type athletic guard.

you're acting like DJ can't throw alley-oop passes. He did that in his first season with Dewayne Dedmon already. Also John Collins is like the best roll man in the NBA. He creates 1.49 points per posession on rolls. If DJ can spoon feed Jakob, feeding Collins would be even easier since he can also play above the rim. Collins is like 41st in scoring and 100th in attempts while having an 59% eFG and shooting from everywhere including the 3-point line. His numbers would jump up a lot if you just give him more shots. He'd be the 2nd best player on the roster.

[TD 21]

If they get a real first that's more value than the Aaron Gordon deal more than other similar bigs went for Capela Adams Valaciunas. They won't get that for a 1 year rental. I don't think they would resign him.

I still think they'd get a similar offer in the off season. If/when he gets traded in the off season, there's no reason to think he wouldn't extend or re-sign.


Winners . . .

Nets: Three key players being small guards is less than ideal, but they got rid of a distraction and balanced/deepened the roster.

76ers: Wouldn't want to pay his next contract, but it'll be more digestible with a championship and this is their first legit shot since the 80s.

Celtics: Not the pure play maker or big wing they needed, but can dabble in both, among other things.

Bucks: Didn't get the big wing, but did get the big and cleared out logjam at the two.

Suns: Got a much needed big wing.

Kings: Got a starting two, balanced their roster.

Spurs: Finally picked a direction, deepened their draft capital.

Losers . . .

Mavericks: Traded one bad contract for two with lesser upside.

Raptors: Probably traded down 12ish spots for a superfluous player who doesn't have a discernible path to significant minutes or move the needle.

[Robz4000]

Josh Richardson is the ultimate average NBA guy, not great, not terrible, not notable, not hatable. His career ORtg/DRtg is 108/109, and this season, after 44 games and 1087 minutes played, his BPM is exactly 0.0...


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richajo01.html

:lol makes him the third best player on the team statistically then

[LeBowen]

No point in talking about Collins now, we'll see how things go in the summer.

Final chance for Lonnie to earn a contract, more space for Primo and Devin, we'll also go down in the standings, couldn't ask for more.

This is unprecedented for the Spurs, they either want to draft someone badly or there's a big deal coming up. Either way, we weren't getting anywhere with DJ+Derrick combo and atrocious spacing around them.

I think Collins ship has sailed with White, time to follow this draft class closely. I don't think we'll use all 3 picks, there will be a trade up for sure.

[heyheymymy]

I really hope that Raptors pick works out because I always felt they owed us one and I wouldn't be surprised if they kinda intentionally sunk into the blade a bit to pay us back if they do end up dropping 12 picks which I would view as being made whole again from that situation.

[TD 21]

I really hope that Raptors pick works out because I always felt they owed us one and I wouldn't be surprised if they kinda intentionally sunk into the blade a bit to pay us back if they do end up dropping 12 picks which I would view as being made whole again from that situation.

:lmao It's a win for the Spurs provided it goes to projections (it should, but with the divergence in luck between the two franchises, I wouldn't be shocked otherwise), but pales in comparison to what the Spurs did for them.



Why would the Celtics, who start Brown and Tatum, necessarily be in need of a big wing? I'd guess a versatile combo guard like White is exactly what they needed.

Because neither can credibly play the four full time. G. Williams is their only player who can and while his development into an apparent sniper has been a boon for them, he's more of a third big.

So basically, they'll continue to start too big and close too small.

[poopbox]

Spurs just traded their best PNR guard in Derrick. As much assists Murray makes, they're more mechanical(?) and not like the Tre/CP3 above-the-rim passes that Collins like. That's my reservation on Collins as the main guy. He's more of a very good 2nd/3rd option. Spurs still need that go-to scorer. It could be a postup PF/C or a Ja Morant type athletic guard.

I mean are we getting the number 2 pick in the draft? Cause thats the only way you get a "Ja Morant type athletic guard" :lol

Trading our best PNR guard doesn't mean much cause when we did have our best PNR guard we were one of the 5 worst teams in basketball so:lol

[John B]

Tangent: not informing Dejounte about the trades (it seems) may be smart. Not sure I trust him with inside info. Great player but maybe too impulsive to keep those type of secrets on the hush hush.

Still young, but as the face of the franchise, DJ should eventually know when it’s not personal but for the good of the team, and his input would start to be comsidered.

[John B]

I mean are we getting the number 2 pick in the draft? Cause thats the only way you get a "Ja Morant type athletic guard" :lol

Trading our best PNR guard doesn't mean much cause when we did have our best PNR guard we were one of the 5 worst teams in basketball so:lol

Except there’s no “Collins type” to pass to. Catch 22. But my point is, John Collins is still not that “go-to scorer” as he is more a complimentary role to Tre. And without “Tre like” guard, I’m not sure how effective Collins would still be. The Nash/Stoudamire comes to mind.

[poopbox]

Except there’s no “Collins type” to pass to. Catch 22. But my point is, John Collins is still not that “go-to scorer” as he is more a complimentary role to Tre. And without “Tre like” guard, I’m not sure how effective Collins would still be. The Nash/Stoudamire comes to mind.

We don't need Collins to be a go to scorer. We need him to shoot open 3's, take advantage of mismatches, defend the rim, and not embarass himself defensively. John Collins is not the answer to all of our problems. We will still be a team with roster flaws with him. But he is the answer that gets us to the next roster flaw question. He might also be the answer to that question because with collins at the 4 we can stop with this keldon at the 4 shit and move him to his natural position at the 3.

I look at it less from a how effective he would be perspective and more from he allows us to be a modern nba team perspective.

[Cabrito]

Moses Brown released by the Mavs. It might be an interesting pickup as we churn the end of the roster.

[superbigtime]

i like Jakob for what he is, but was really hoping he'd get packaged for a great return. Any rumor about fielded trades that didn't go thru for Jak???

[exstatic]

Moses Brown released by the Mavs. It might be an interesting pickup as we churn the end of the roster.

I think we can wait for something better than an undrafted 7 footer with no 3/point shot. There will be a Flurry of guys cut after the trade deadline, and around the playoff roster deadline. If it comes down to it, Moses will still be there.

[exstatic]

i like Jakob for what he is, but was really hoping he'd get packaged for a great return. Any rumor about fielded trades that didn't go thru for Jak???

There was a lot of smoke around Charlotte. They chose to sacrifice defense and go with Trez Harrell. His contract is up this summer, so they will have need of a Center again.

I don’t want to trade Jak unless the return is top notch. If we sign or draft a young C prospect next year, I’m comfortable with him as a one year mentor, and then rolling off, or a summer S&T.

[R. DeMurre]

Gotta hand it to Toronto-- they've managed their team very well for a number of years now. The Kawhi trade was a daring one, and resulted in a championship-- and then post-championship, they eventually lost 5 of their top 7 players from that team-- Kawhi, Lowry, Danny Green, Serge, Gasol-- and only had one down year as a result, going 27-45 before bouncing back this year to be in the playoff hunt again. I really hope Thaddeus has a good playoff run with them because he deserves it after being stuck in a pretty tough situation, sitting on the bench for a tanking team, watching guys like Eubanks, Forbes, & Walker get more minutes than him. Just look at the disparity in the evaluation of his game: In San Antonio, there was actually a Thad vs Eubanks discussion, but for Toronto Thad was worthy of a FRP while Eubanks was immediately waived as nothing more than trade fodder... It's understandable that the Spurs were in rebuild mode, but also understandable that Thad would've been upset wasting half a season this late in his career...

[exstatic]

Gotta hand it to Toronto-- they've managed their team very well for a number of years now. The Kawhi trade was a daring one, and resulted in a championship-- and then post-championship, they eventually lost 5 of their top 7 players from that team-- Kawhi, Lowry, Danny Green, Serge, Gasol-- and only had one down year as a result, going 27-45 before bouncing back this year to be in the playoff hunt again. I really hope Thaddeus has a good playoff run with them because he deserves it after being stuck in a pretty tough situation, sitting on the bench for a tanking team, watching guys like Eubanks, Forbes, & Walker get more minutes than him. Just look at the disparity in the evaluation of his game: In San Antonio, there was actually a Thad vs Eubanks discussion, but for Toronto Thad was worthy of a FRP while Eubanks was immediately waived as nothing more than trade fodder... It's understandable that the Spurs were in rebuild mode, but also understandable that Thad would've been upset wasting half a season this late in his career...

Fans had a Thad vs. Eubanks discussion. I assure you, the coaches did not.

Don’t know if you’ve been keeping up, but the bench time for Thad was pretty intentional. We wanted to flip him to a playoff team, but he had a playoff bonus in his contract. He needed a certain amount of games played, and it is now impossible for him to meet the threshold. Holding him out made it easier to trade him.

[KingKev]

Fans had a Thad vs. Eubanks discussion. I assure you, the coaches did not.

Don’t know if you’ve been keeping up, but the bench time for Thad was pretty intentional. We wanted to flip him to a playoff team, but he had a playoff bonus in his contract. He needed a certain amount of games played, and it is now impossible for him to meet the threshold. Holding him out made it easier to trade him.

That is such nonsense. That bonus was 150k. That is such a rounding error in any NBA trade. You are smarter than this.

[exstatic]

That is such nonsense. That bonus was 150k. That is such a rounding error in any NBA trade. You are smarter than this.

That’s $150K that Toronto doesn’t have to pay, or insist we pay in the trade. It would also be subject to the tax, and there are repeat offenders that pay 3X salary for everything over the cap. Suddenly, that bonus ain’t so tiny. We had no idea where he was going, so smart money says spike the bonus.

You’re entitled to your view, and I won’t call you stupid like you did me.

[Chinook]

I don't actually think the bonus had much to do with it. Young's bonus not being met actually hurt the team's chances of trading him, because his incoming salary was actually lower than his outgoing salary. Not that most STers would consider it a huge harm, but the Spurs could not have completed the Young/Dragic trade by including Landale instead of Eubanks. They had to trade Drew, because Thad only counted for $13.1 Million, meaning the Spurs had to send out $1.4 Million in additional salary to get within matching distance for Dragic. Had Young reached the threshold, the team would have only needed to send out about $400k, meaning any contract would have been enough.

I don't actually mind the Spurs picking Landale over Eubanks, especially if that's what they would have wanted regardless of circumstance. But if they truly did want to keep Drew and ended up not being able to, then they have no one else to blame but themselves for their Thad strategy.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't actually think the bonus had much to do with it. Young's bonus not being met actually hurt the team's chances of trading him, because his incoming salary was actually lower than his outgoing salary. Not that most STers would consider it a huge harm, but the Spurs could not have completed the Young/Dragic trade by including Landale instead of Eubanks. They had to trade Drew, because Thad only counted for $13.1 Million, meaning the Spurs had to send out $1.4 Million in additional salary to get within matching distance for Dragic. Had Young reached the threshold, the team would have only needed to send out about $400k, meaning any contract would have been enough.

I don't actually mind the Spurs picking Landale over Eubanks, especially if that's what they would have wanted regardless of circumstance. But if they truly did want to keep Drew and ended up not being able to, then they have no one else to blame but themselves for their Thad strategy.

Edit nvm.

[KingKev]

That’s $150K that Toronto doesn’t have to pay, or insist we pay in the trade. It would also be subject to the tax, and there are repeat offenders that pay 3X salary for everything over the cap. Suddenly, that bonus ain’t so tiny. We had no idea where he was going, so smart money says spike the bonus.

You’re entitled to your view, and I won’t call you stupid like you did me.

Playing Thad quality minutes nightly risked injury at the expense of our ability to give other players
opportunity to prove their worth. He was always gone after this season one way or another. They played his situation pretty well. Thad for an FRP and an expiring was never a likely outcome outright.

Yesterday’s result was a solid deal for both sides and that 150k bonus if still in play would have not been an issue.

That 150k could have potentially worked to both sides advantage in another trade to get something done. You are putting way too much thought into it. There is no way anyone could strategize to that dollar figure months in advance.