SCOTUS Poised to Overturn Roe v Wade per leaked opinion

[Winehole23]

this sort of thing inspires me to carry a torch to the temple of justice. in what universe is any of this worth it?


An Arizona mom is speaking out after being forced to carry her non-viable fetus to term.


Chloe, who does not want to use her last name, was overjoyed when she first found out she was pregnant in January 2022, becoming even more excited when she learned it was a girl, according to ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Wellness/44-hours-baby-carried-nonviable-pregnancy-term-after/story?id=97451344). Mom to an almost 6-month-old, Chloe had dreams of her two girls becoming close friends.

But at 23 weeks, she learned that her baby had holoprosencephaly, a birth defect that occurs when the brain does not divide into two halves, the left and right hemispheres, according to the Cleveland Clinic. (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22919-holoprosencephaly-hpe) While there are several types of the condition, Chloe's baby's was the most severe, known as alobar holoprosencephaly, which often results in the baby being stillborn or dying shortly after birth.

Upon realizing her daughter would not live very long, the 22-year-old was devastated. According to the outlet she said she "broke down" and said, "I have never felt that way in my entire life."

In Arizona, her options were limited — and she had to decide what to do within days. She could try to get an abortion by 24 weeks as was permitted at the time, go out of state to a clinic, or to continue with the pregnancy.

She decided she wanted to terminate. But when Roe v. Wade was overturned, states had the power to determine their own abortion laws. Arizona enacted a 15-week ban with exceptions only for when continuing with the pregnancy would "create serious risk of substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function" for the mother.[/COLOR]

Suddenly, Chloe's OB-GYN refused to end her pregnancy.

"It was like an immediate no, you can't get an induction to terminate," Chloe told the outlet. "When [my doctor] told me, I couldn't even get any words out ... I just felt so stuck."

She tried to go out of state to a clinic but said her appointment was canceled because of threats to her saftey after sharing her story on social media.[/COLOR]

By this time, she was 30 weeks along and was forced to continue carrying her baby, knowing the pregnancy was non-viable.[/COLOR]

"I became extremely depressed, more depressed than I already was," Chloe told ABC News. "Knowing that now I have to carry the baby to full-term when that wasn't my plan when I found out what was wrong, I didn't want to leave my bed. I was so emotionally unattached from my daughter, from my relationship, from family, from friends, from everybody. I just wanted to sleep all day."

She said it was heartbreaking to have to answer questions about her pregnancy when she was in public.[/COLOR]

"When I go out to the store, anything like that, people see me and they ask innocent questions, like 'Oh, are you having a boy or girl? When are you due?,'" she said. "I get stuck. I answer the questions, but in my head. I'm like, you know, it's a baby that's never gonna live."

Her daughter Laila was born in September 2022. Although she had previously decided that she wouldn't want to hold her baby for fear of becoming too attached, she changed her mind
"As soon as she came out, I was like, no, I need to be the one that comforts her," she told the outlet. "That was definitely hard because you definitely do get attached, no matter what, no matter how hard you try to tell yourself, I know what's going to happen. I know the outcome."

Laila was unable to breathe correctly, and Chloe was told not to feed her because she could choke. It was clear that Laila would not live long. She was transferred to hospice care.

She was alive for about 44 hours, which it was definitely hard to watch her just be in pain the whole entire time," Chloe said, adding, "It's like I was trying to keep her from feeling this pain, and she still had to feel it."In the weeks after giving birth, Chloe suffered from anxiety and depressive disorder as well as postpartum depression.

Looking back, she still feels immense sadness. "It's not fair, and it wasn't fair from the beginning, to her or to me," Chloe said. "If I could have terminated, I would have."

https://people.com/health/arizona-mom-forced-to-carry-non-viable-baby-to-term/?utm_source=social2&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=shareurlbuttons

[Winehole23]

Montana

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[HemisfairArena]

Hey Wineho, now post how many women get abortion just for convenience,,,their own personal birth control,,,,

[ElNono]

Montana

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:tu

[Blake]

Montana

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Lol Montana keeps getting all this attention for stuff they do with a total state population less than San Antonio

[Winehole23]

Samantha Casiano, a 29-year-old living in eastern Texas, found out halfway through her pregnancy last year that her daughter, Halo, had a rare diagnosis of anencephaly, where much of the skull and brain is missing. Her doctor told her she would have to continue with the pregnancy because of Texas law, even though her baby would not survive.

With five children, including a goddaughter, at home she quickly realized she could not afford an out-of-state trip for an abortion. The next next few months of her pregnancy were spent trying to raise money for her daughter’s impending funeral, soliciting donations through online websites and launching fundraisers to sell Mexican soup. Halo was born in April, living for only four hours.

“I was so full of heartbreak and sadness, all at the same time,” Casiano said.

Women in the lawsuit say they could not openly discuss abortion or labor induction with their doctors, instead asking their doctors discreetly if they should travel outside of the state.

Dr. Austin Dennard, an OB-GYN in Dallas, never talked about her own abortion with her doctors after they discovered anencephaly on the baby’s ultrasound during her third pregnancy last year. She worried her out-of-state trip to end the pregnancy could jeopardize her medical license or invite harassment against her and her husband, also an OB-GYN. Dennard was inspired to go public with her case when one of her own patients joined the original lawsuit filed in March after traveling to Colorado to abort a twin fetus diagnosed with a life-threatening genetic disorder.
https://apnews.com/article/texas-abortion-law-lawsuit-6346a3b98dd3ece069177f88172ce7b8

[Extra Stout]

ThE bAbY hAs No BrAiN bUt It StIlL hAs A sOuL

[Extra Stout]

I mean, 80% of evangelicals have no brains either.

[Winehole23]

The Texas abortion ban denies women appropriate medical care for complications of pregnancy and puts their lives needlessly at risk.

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[leemajors]

The Texas abortion ban denies women appropriate medical care for complications of pregnancy and puts their lives needlessly at risk.

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My stepsister was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy a few weeks ago, and basically just had to wait. Her sons first birthday was Saturday, and it ruptured as his party started. She had to have her right fallopian tube removed, could have died, and may not be able to have more children.

[Winehole23]

My stepsister was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy a few weeks ago, and basically just had to wait. Her sons first birthday was Saturday, and it ruptured as his party started. She had to have her right fallopian tube removed, could have died, and may not be able to have more children.I'm glad she didn't die, so sorry this happened to your family.

[Adam Lambert]

My stepsister was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy a few weeks ago, and basically just had to wait. Her sons first birthday was Saturday, and it ruptured as his party started. She had to have her right fallopian tube removed, could have died, and may not be able to have more children.

That's really fucked up, sorry she had to go through this.

Republicans are sociopaths.

[Winehole23]

Iowa


The 3-3 split — Justice Dana Oxley was recused from the case — means the district court's order is affirmed and that the law will remain permanently blocked.https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2023/06/16/timeline-on-iowa-supreme-court-abortion-law-ruling-pregnancy-kim-reynolds/70325858007/

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FywDeikXgAAH4k5?format=jpg&name=small

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So when Missouri’s abortion ban took effect after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year, Barnes and Taves decided to fight back. Along with rabbis and ministers across several denominations, they joined a first-of-its-kind lawsuit arguing Missouri blurred the line between church and state, imposed a particular Christian idea of when life begins over the beliefs of other denominations, and threatened their ability to practice their religions.

As the nation nears the one year anniversary of the fall of Roe, the Missouri case is one of nearly a dozen challenges to abortion restrictions filed by clergy members and practitioners of everything from Judaism to Satanism that are now making their way through state and federal courts — a strategy that aims to restore access to the procedure and chip away at the assumption that all religious people oppose abortion.

In fact, many of the lawsuits are wielding religious protection laws enacted by anti-abortion state officials to target those officials’ own restrictions on the procedure.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/21/legal-strategy-that-could-topple-abortion-bans-00102468

[Adam Lambert]

Despite the best efforts of Republican prudes, people are still fucking, and they don't like the government forcing 40-week pregnancies on them as punishment.

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

The rapist was just sentenced to life in prison, Watters now fills Tucker Carlson's 8pm time slot on Fox.


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1676960371255676940/XUSl7x4P?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

covering up preventable deaths caused by the abortion ban



The rate of pregnancy-related deaths in Idaho remains high, according to the latest annual report published by a committee studying maternal deaths in the state.

The release of the report comes just as the maternal mortality review committee, or MMRC, has officially terminated its work, after the Idaho Legislature declined to remove its June 30, 2023 sunset date.

The latest report, analyzing deaths that occurred in 2021, will be the committee’s last, unless new legislation is passed allowing its work to continue. This leaves Idaho as the only state without a maternal mortality review committee.

For four years, the committee made up of doctors, social workers, coroners, emergency personnel and more, studied each death that occurred during pregnancy or within a year after, in an effort to eliminate preventable maternal deaths, as well as health problems that result from being pregnant or giving birth.

Of the 42 pregnancy-associated deaths the committee analyzed between 2018 and 2021, all but one – or 98% – were found to be preventable.https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2023-07-07/idaho-maternal-mortality-review-committee-dissolve

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Iowa passes six week abortion ban. Iowa now has forced birth for children.

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[Winehole23]

State District Judge Jessica Mangrum’s ruling granted a temporary injunction that prevents Texas from enforcing the ban against physicians who in their “good faith judgment” end a pregnancy that, because of complications, creates a risk of infection or is otherwise unsafe for the woman to continue.

The injunction also applies to women who have a condition “exacerbated by pregnancy” who can’t be effectively treated during their term. It also covers cases where the fetus has a condition that makes it unlikely to survive after birth.


https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-lawsuit-ban-exceptions-women-denied-pregnancy-d90f3bce68d86e5eafe3ba4ba5939188?taid=64cdacd8a74c 5f0001777ec7

[Winehole23]

Fuckin right

[HemisfairArena]

Iowa passes six week abortion ban. Iowa now has forced birth for children.

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So lets flip the script on your statement, Wine Ho,,,since you want to be so dramatic,,,,it would read Iowa now has forced death for children,,,,you ok with that? You tell me what sounds better,,,forced birth for children or forced death for children,,,,

[Winehole23]

I don't like either. I believe I commented on Iowa upstream, do you read through threads sometimes?

Just curious.

[Winehole23]

“Just because several statutes define an individual to include an unborn child does not mean that the Fourteenth Amendment does the same,” the Texas attorney general’s office wrote in a March footnote, referring to the constitutional right to life.https://www.texastribune.org/2023/08/11/texas-prison-lawsuit-fetal-rights/

[Winehole23]

The state later clarified that it was arguing that the family care provision does not apply to an unborn child.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3f60xTX0AAEcDZ?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://time.com/6303701/a-rape-in-mississippi/

[Winehole23]

Texas wants women to be poor, pregnant, sick and dependent, for some reason.


For more than a decade, the state has been trying and failing to chase Planned Parenthood out of Texas.


Texas restricted and then banned abortion. The state removed Planned Parenthood affiliates from state-funded health programs and turned down federal dollars rather than allow Planned Parenthood to receive them. Planned Parenthood has been cut out of funding for cancer screenings, contraception, HIV prevention and sex education.


Despite this concerted effort from the highest levels of state government, Planned Parenthood’s clinic doors have remained open in Texas.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/08/15/texas-abortion-planned-parenthood-lawsuit/

[Winehole23]

the GOP's pet judge in Texas


Last year, the state filed a federal lawsuit (https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/13/texas-medicaid-planned-parenthood-lawsuit/) claiming Planned Parenthood improperly billed Medicaid for $10 million in payments during the period when the state was trying to remove the organization from the program.

Texas is seeking more than $1.8 billion in reimbursement, penalties and fees.

Planned Parenthood has called the lawsuit meritless, pointing out that there was an injunction in place that allowed it to continue to bill Medicaid during that time.

U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, a conservative who previously worked on anti-abortion cases as a religious liberty lawyer, will hear arguments from both sides today in Amarillo.

[Winehole23]

Idaho's trigger law is creating a maternal health care desert.


Dr Amelia Huntsberger moved to Sandpoint 11 years ago with her husband, planning to put down roots, build a medical practice and stay through retirement. She’s an OB-GYN, her husband an emergency room doctor. They both grew up in smaller cities in the north-western United States, so Sandpoint was a natural fit.

This July, the Huntsbergers’ home on a winding road on the edge of town was filled with moving boxes.

By the end of summer, they will be gone, starting over in Oregon, starting over with new jobs and new schools for their three kids, practicing medicine in a state that doesn’t leave them vulnerable to arrest or lawsuits for saving their patients’ lives. This is not what they wanted or planned, but as Huntsberger explains through intermittent tears across her patio table, leaving Idaho became their only way forward.

“Yeah, this is a conservative state. We knew that when we moved here. But it’s become very extreme. We now have some of the most extreme examples of government interference in healthcare that exists across the country,” says Huntsberger. “And there’s that irony – we are a liberty state: ‘You do you. I’ll do what I do.’ Except if you have a uterus and it’s something related to healthcare, then the government suddenly has a lot to say, without bothering to understand what they’re legislating. There’s some real willful ignorance here.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/22/abortion-idaho-women-rights-healthcare

[Thread]

Idaho's trigger law is creating a maternal health care desert.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/22/abortion-idaho-women-rights-healthcare


Ripping babies from the womb "so that you may live as you wish." will be held to accounts.

[Winehole23]

How will they check?

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[Winehole23]

Big government conservatives are more and more intrusive.

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[Winehole23]

resembles communist Albania, tbh

[Winehole23]

Polishing the turd

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1700004256982646937?s=20

[Thread]

Polishing the turd

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1700004256982646937?s=20

Just use this quote, Winester..."It is the worst kind of poverty to kill a child so that you may live as you wish."

[Winehole23]

If you’ve managed to make the label “pro-life” toxic, maybe the problem is not your terminology.

[ChumpDumper]

Polishing the turd

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1700004256982646937?s=20

We had a meeting and decided to call the policy "crush women under our manly boots" -- catchy, no?

[Winehole23]

We had a meeting and decided to call the policy "crush women under our manly boots" -- catchy, no?
https://www.theonion.com/texans-explain-why-helping-someone-get-an-abortion-is-a-1850805629/slides/17

[Winehole23]

Maybe he isn't partial to his wife.

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[Winehole23]

Border barriers between states?

Cray.

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[Spurminator]

Roadside pregnancy tests are unlikely to pass constitutional muster but I guess I wouldn't put it past them to float the idea.

[Winehole23]

Roadside pregnancy tests are unlikely to pass constitutional muster but I guess I wouldn't put it past them to float the idea.The US constitution doesn't seem to be much of a hindrance to raw power (R)s these days. Courts are slow to catch up with states intent on violating basic rights.

[Spurminator]

The US constitution doesn't seem to be much of a hindrance to raw power (R)s these days. Courts are slow to catch up with states intent on violating basic rights.

:lol Sorry, there's no way even the most Republican of Republican women would be cool with getting stopped at the border to take a 10-15 minute piss test before entering another state.

These are the same people who thought it was a constitutional crisis when grocery stores asked them to wear a small tissue over their faces. They are fine with government overreach until it affects them, and this would be one of those examples.

[Winehole23]

Hope you're right.

[Winehole23]

Abortion is health care for women with nonviable pregnancies.


Early on, she felt an unfamiliar, gnawing anxiety about this pregnancy, but she struggled to get an appointment with an obstetrician. When the nurse practitioner said she might be having twins, she didn’t want to wait for a follow-up appointment. She went to the emergency room in Texarkana, half an hour away, where she learned there were two babies, and they might be conjoined or “mono mono,” developing in the same amniotic sac.


“We couldn’t get a straight answer, and it was just a run-around game,” she said.

To be sure, she’d have to go to a specialist three hours away in Allen. By the time she got the appointment, Levi found time off work, they coordinated travel with Angela and figured out child care, it was May and Miranda was four months pregnant.



During the ultrasound, Levi and his mom, Angela, watched the little digital screen, but Miranda kept her eyes on the tech’s face. She alone saw the moment it fell.
“She ran out of the room, and my heart sank,” Miranda said. “I knew. Something was wrong.”

This time, there was no weekslong wait for a follow-up appointment. Within a few hours, Miranda was sitting across from a maternal-fetal medicine specialist in Dallas as he pulled out a whiteboard and illustrated all the ways this pregnancy was headed for disaster.

The babies’ spines were twisted, curling in so sharply it looked, at some angles, as if they disappeared entirely. Organs were hanging out of their bodies, or hadn’t developed yet at all. One of the babies had a clubbed foot; the other, a big bubble of fluid at the top of his neck.

It was, in many ways, a simple diagnosis: As soon as these babies were born, they would die

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https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/11/texas-abortion-law-texas-abortion-ban-nonviable-pregnancies/

[Thread]

Abortion is health care for women with nonviable pregnancies.

Please, it's cold blooded murder so that one may live as they wish.

[Winehole23]

Post-birth abortion is murder and is not a thing. Tuberville is abjectly stupid or thinks you are.

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[Winehole23]

(I guess it's not an either/or. Both are possible.)

[Winehole23]

the state where the state steals your personal information merely to assess it for legal liability and possible criminal referral, that is maybe not the textbook definition of fascism, but there is a stong family resemblance.

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[Winehole23]

shenanigans (https://x.com/JessicaValenti/status/1729332303527088429?s=20)

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[Winehole23]

What's the public policy rationale for endangering this woman's life (http://https://x.com/DoomScroling/status/1732135046763687954?s=20)?

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[Winehole23]

Abortion is medical care for women with dangerous and nonviable pregnancies. This whole case is about the state of Texas second-guessing the professional judgment of doctors.

Contrary to claims that Texas does not ban abortions when the mother's life is in danger, AG Paxton is threatening to punish doctors and hospitals.

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[z0sa]

Abortion is just such a stomach turning subject. I don't get the fascination with it by guys like Paxton. I understand the whole conception is life thing, truly. But when someone's fetus will literally die outside the womb in a few days, that's sick to want the mother to be forced to carry to term. Truly sadistic.

[koriwhat]

This whole case is about the state of Texas second-guessing the professional judgment of doctors.

I seem to recall, just recently, the same was being done by dipshit Marxists in the media/online/in the WH/etc except it was pertaining to some bio weapon out of China. :lmao

[Ef-man]

What's the public policy rationale for endangering this woman's life (http://https://x.com/DoomScroling/status/1732135046763687954?s=20)?

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Karen Mann is still angry she was not able to abort her son when she had the opportunity.

C’est la vie

[Winehole23]

a state AG threatening to prosecute people for following a court order is cray.

[Winehole23]

When Travis County District Judge Maya Guerra Gamble handed down the temporary restraining order Thursday, Kate Cox, 31, of Dallas burst into tears. Cox and her husband desperately wanted to have this baby, but her doctors said continuing the nonviable pregnancy posed a risk to her health and future fertility, according to a historic lawsuit filed Tuesday.

“The idea that Ms. Cox wants desperately to be a parent, and this law might actually cause her to lose that ability is shocking and would be a genuine miscarriage of justice,” Gamble said.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2023/12/texas-republicans-leap-into-action-to-force-woman-to-carry-non-viable-life-threatening-pregnancy

[ElNono]

I seem to recall, just recently, the same was being done by dipshit Marxists in the media/online/in the WH/etc except it was pertaining to some bio weapon out of China. :lmao

This is hilarious considering we had a civilian loser who was never a doctor jumping in front of actual doctors to pass medical judgement about cures for a novel virus.

Fortunately the stunt cost him his re-election.

[Winehole23]

Abortion is just such a stomach turning subject. I don't get the fascination with it by guys like Paxton. I understand the whole conception is life thing, truly. But when someone's fetus will literally die outside the womb in a few days, that's sick to want the mother to be forced to carry to term. Truly sadistic.The equities have to be balanced. Roe was a reasonable balance.

The fetus doesn't count for nothing, and neither does the mother.

[Winehole23]

A law that compels hospital lawyers to deny women medical care for the risks of nonviable pregnancies until they're actually dying is barbaric and stupid.

[Winehole23]

Life of the mother, rape and incest= a rational position on abortion. :tuA position the Texas AG just nuked by threatening to prosecute doctors/hospitals trying to protect the life of the mother. Chasing them away from following a court order.

What say you about that, D_F?

[Winehole23]

Basic small government shit.


"it's not chilling, the language of the law permits emergency care"Maybe not in Texas, though.

[Winehole23]

Missouri too.


Basic small government shit.


"it's not chilling, the language of the law permits emergency care"


Right wing prosecutors, not doctors, get the final say on what's a legit medical emergency.

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[ElNono]

A law that compels hospital lawyers to deny women medical care for the risks of nonviable pregnancies until they're actually dying is barbaric and stupid.

It's arguably illegal as well. I don't see how that doesn't clash against EMTALA, which is a federal law.

[Winehole23]

It's arguably illegal as well. I don't see how that doesn't clash against EMTALA, which is a federal law.For conservative abusers, incels and rapists, women are the enemy and must be punished. It's really about social control of women.

Why else would you make women and children bear nonviable and rapists pregnancies to term?

[ElNono]

For conservative abusers, incels and rapists, women are the enemy and must be punished. It's really about social control of women.

Why else would you make women and children bear nonviable and rapists pregnancies to term?

Invisible man in the sky, tbh

[Thread]

For conservative abusers, incels and rapists, women are the enemy and must be punished. It's really about social control of women.

Why else would you make women and children bear nonviable and rapists pregnancies to term?

Murder is wrong.

[boutons_deux]

500,000 people moved out of Texas in 2022

Many of them said the political b******* and the rising cost of living gave them the impetus

The woman in question if she doesn't have an abortion could end up losing her uterus and ovaries and all chances of having a child she and her husband desperately want

This is the way Christ wants it.

[Winehole23]

Invisible man in the sky, tbhthat tradition teaches subjection to men, for very many formal equality of the sexes and the bodily autonomy of women -- even to access life saving treatment -- are abhorrent.

[Winehole23]

Texas Supreme Court just stayed the ruling.

This isn't a close call. Trisomy 18 is 100% fatal to the foetus/newborn and very dangerous for the mother. Forcing women to carry nonviable pregnancies to term is sadistic.

[Winehole23]

Maybe the TX Supreme Court will rule on this quickly, I hope so.

[Winehole23]

Having to beg courts for medical treatment doctors recommend is fucked up beyond belief.

[Winehole23]

It's arguably illegal as well. I don't see how that doesn't clash against EMTALA, which is a federal law.One would think there'd be a fairly cut and dried Supremacy Clause issue here, but Texas seems keen on nullification. Dangerous stuff, we fought a civil war over it once.

[ElNono]

I just hope Paxton keeps sending letters like that and keeps abortion front and center throughout next year, tbh... this is just the gift that keeps on giving... :tu

[HemisfairArena]

If abortion wasnt treated by the vast majority as a simple means of birth control,,,,everyone would support abortion. Problem is you have women that use abortion as a convenience not a medical emergency or special circumstance like rape,,,,,

[HemisfairArena]

I just hope Paxton keeps sending letters like that and keeps abortion front and center throughout next year, tbh... this is just the gift that keeps on giving... :tu

Nothing is gonna save Biden,,,,keep your fingers crossed all ya want,,,,,,Its funny, i thought you democrats were so secure in Bidens victory in 2020 that you werent sweating 2024,,,,but yet here you are hoping something helps your cryptkeeper out,,,,

[boutons_deux]

Texas Supreme Court just stayed the ruling.

This isn't a close call. Trisomy 18 is 100% fatal to the foetus/newborn and very dangerous for the mother. Forcing women to carry nonviable pregnancies to term is sadistic.



We all know that Christ was a misogynistic saddest

[Trainwreck2100]

It's arguably illegal as well. I don't see how that doesn't clash against EMTALA, which is a federal law.

That's the whole reason that hospitals have to wait for sepsis and infections just because the woman becomes a walking tomb doesn't mean she's dying

[Trainwreck2100]

If abortion wasnt treated by the vast majority as a simple means of birth control,,,,everyone would support abortion. Problem is you have women that use abortion as a convenience not a medical emergency or special circumstance like rape,,,,,

So youre saying whore babies have to be born but rape babies don't?

[koriwhat]

This is hilarious considering we had a civilian loser who was never a doctor jumping in front of actual doctors to pass medical judgement about cures for a novel virus.

Fortunately the stunt cost him his re-election.

Always dodging the issue huh foreigner? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

That's the precise issue, calftats.

[Winehole23]

The case of the prison guard is more pregnancy/work conditions related, but reflects the overall cruelty and ghoulishness of the state of Texas toward pregnant women.

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[Winehole23]

What's the public policy argument for not allowing a woman in labor to have a break at work? Or for denying her compensation for the resulting stillbirth?

[Winehole23]

Sound off, conservatives...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

TDCJ is going to have to rebrand again.

[Winehole23]

What's the public policy argument for not allowing a woman in labor to have a break at work? Or for denying her compensation for the resulting stillbirth?Her supervisor cussed her and called her a liar.

Pure coincidence I'm sure that she has an Arabic surname.

[ElNono]

Nothing is gonna save Biden,,,,keep your fingers crossed all ya want,,,,,,Its funny, i thought you democrats were so secure in Bidens victory in 2020 that you werent sweating 2024,,,,but yet here you are hoping something helps your cryptkeeper out,,,,

Trump is the only one that can save Biden... so far so good :tu

[ElNono]

Always dodging the issue huh foreigner? :lol

I was replying to this:


I seem to recall, just recently, the same was being done by dipshit Marxists in the media/online/in the WH/etc except it was pertaining to some bio weapon out of China. :lmao

how is that dodging the issue?

[HemisfairArena]

Trump is the only one that can save Biden... so far so good :tu

Why dont me and you have fun with this?,,,a simple wager,,,,nothing big,,,,whatever amount you want. We can set up a mutual paypal account and we both deposit into it and whoever wins collects the money. I have Trump and you have Biden in 2024. Its basically even money in Vegas right now with Trump as a very slight favorite. It will just be fun with bragging rights,,,,you in?

Election Odds | 2024 Candidates For President (thelines.com) (https://www.thelines.com/odds/election/)

2024 United States Presidential Election Odds (vegasinsider.com) (https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us-presidential-election/)

[ElNono]

Why dont me and you have fun with this?,,,a simple wager,,,,nothing big,,,,whatever amount you want. We can set up a mutual paypal account and we both deposit into it and whoever wins collects the money. I have Trump and you have Biden in 2024. Its basically even money in Vegas right now with Trump as a very slight favorite. It will just be fun with bragging rights,,,,you in?

Election Odds | 2024 Candidates For President (thelines.com) (https://www.thelines.com/odds/election/)

2024 United States Presidential Election Odds (vegasinsider.com) (https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us-presidential-election/)

I don't take money from the mentally handicapped, tbh... I'll definitely throw some money in Vegas if the big loser is the GOP candidate. Still not clear cut he won't be in jail by then though.

To be fair, also not sure Old Joe will sill be alive by then, plenty of time 'til the elections.

Would be difficult for Old Joe to even have a shot if the candidate wouldn't be Trump. But hopefully the GOP keeps bringing up abortion and healthcare, trashing women, etc. :tu

[Winehole23]

Lucky for Kate Cox, appropriate medical care is still available (https://x.com/ReproRights/status/1734286514937381314?s=20) in other states, and she can afford to access it.

Funny how the Texas Supreme Court stayed up late on Friday to stay the court order, but then lollygagged for the rest of the weekend when the medical care in question is time-sensitive. Cox was already leaking amniotic fluid. The risk of stillbirth and sepsis are/were real.

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[boutons_deux]

Paxton not only blocks the ladies abortion

He threatened her husband if he aids her traveling out of state for an abortion

[Winehole23]

Paxton not only blocks the ladies abortion

He threatened her husband if he aids her traveling out of state for an abortionYeah.

Criminal prosecution of and vigilante lawsuits against the husband would seem to be possible.

We already knew women would have to flee Texas for medical care, the news here is that we know there's no mercy for women short of dying. Women have beg the state for permission to be treated by their doctors, even for emergencies and are customarily denied by Texas, e.g. Kate Cox.

[baseline bum]

Yeah.

Criminal prosecution of and vigilante lawsuits against the husband would seem to be possible.

We already knew women would have to flee Texas for medical care, the news here is that we know there's no mercy for women short of dying. Women have beg the state for permission to be treated by their doctors, even for emergencies and are customarily denied by Texas, e.g. Kate Cox.

Exceptions exist in name only to the abortion ban in Texistan

[ElNono]

This is great stuff... she gets the abortion in a non-ass backwards State, and Texistan keeps the abortion debate front and center. :tu

[Spurminator]

Paxton not only blocks the ladies abortion

He threatened her husband if he aids her traveling out of state for an abortion

The "we just want it to be up to the states" Republicans sure are quiet on this one.

[Winehole23]

Yeah.

Criminal prosecution of and vigilante lawsuits against the husband would seem to be possible.

We already knew women would have to flee Texas for medical care, the news here is that we know there's no mercy for women short of dying. Women have beg the state for permission to be treated by their doctors, even for emergencies and are customarily denied by Texas, e.g. Kate Cox.this used to be the case mainly with teens seeking to have an abortion without their parents' knowledge, now it's for all women.

the law is literally treating women like it treats little girls.

[Ef-man]

The Texastan Supreme Court late Friday night temporarily blocked a lower-court ruling that would have allowed Cox to get an abortion under the state’s near-total abortion ban, and later on Monday night, reversed the lower court’s decision.

[Will Hunting]

I just hope Paxton keeps sending letters like that and keeps abortion front and center throughout next year, tbh... this is just the gift that keeps on giving... :tu
Same.

Fortunately the woman was able to go to another state so her gremlin fetus is getting the yeet no matter how much inbred Ken Paxton seethes about it, but I'm glad she made sure democrats got some campaign fodder for next year before she made the fetus go brrrrr :lol

[baseline bum]

Same.

Fortunately the woman was able to go to another state so her gremlin fetus is getting the yeet no matter how much inbred Ken Paxton seethes about it, but I'm glad she made sure democrats got some campaign fodder for next year before she made the fetus go brrrrr :lol

LOL won't do shit for anything in Texas. Though I laughed at the Trumptard forced to carry her defective big headed baby to term and have try to get it to eat for four days before it died. Hilarious shit.

[Spurminator]

Fun exercise to skim through the beginnings of this thread and watch conservatives go from "Who leaked this? Probably some Democrat because this would be terrible for Republicans" to "I'm not against abortions if it's a medical emergency or a rape" to "I'm very happy about this decision, and everyone else should be unless they're on the side of promiscuous whores" to (now) total radio silence.

[Will Hunting]

LOL won't do shit for anything in Texas. Though I laughed at the Trumptard forced to carry her defective big headed baby to term and have try to get it to eat for four days before it died. Hilarious shit.
It's become a national story that Dems in purple states are dining out on.

[Winehole23]

SCOTUS takes up abortion pill cases

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[baseline bum]

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[Winehole23]

a heckler's veto gets enrolled according to law, random third parties can sue

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a heckler's veto gets enrolled according to law, random third parties can sue

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You were never going to obey the SC's dictate on this. Not in a million years. You've blown thru that stop sign like shit thru a Xmas goose.

Let us proceed...

[Ef-man]

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Texastan loves the poorly educated

[ElNono]

Visiting Texistan for the holidays. Cleaning lady was telling how her daughter had to give birth to a baby without a brain last month, died an hour after birth. They even had a funeral for the baby. Just cruel, cruel shit.
Obviously she was like “god has other plans for my daughter” :lmao

[ElNono]

She miscarried in her bathroom. Now she’s charged with abuse of a corpse.

https://apple.news/AqZ1Ge9HnTPaJWckyoX8T1g

[Thread]

She miscarried in her bathroom. Now she’s charged with abuse of a corpse.

https://apple.news/AqZ1Ge9HnTPaJWckyoX8T1g

Don't fret, El, she'll skate, just like Madonna, Griffin, Snoop, Depp & General Milley skated. It's American Democracy.

[Winehole23]

Criminalizing stillbirth.

Brittany Watts went to the hospital twice for vaginal bleeding. Both times, the hospital couldn't decide whether inducing labor would be a crime, so she was basically sent home to have a miscarriage alone. After she returned to the hospital no longer pregnant, someone from the hospital reported her to the police, who began an investigation.

Construing what happens to stillborn fetuses after stillbirth as "abuse of a corpse" is a legal novelty.


Ohio was in the throes of a bitter debate over abortion rights (https://apnews.com/article/election-2023-abortion-rights-ohio-e3edc16a1bfaa22b9e72bc1d6fb76dd0) this fall when Brittany Watts, 21 weeks and 5 days pregnant, began passing thick blood clots.

The 33-year-old Watts, who had not shared the news of her pregnancy even with her family, made her first prenatal visit to a doctor’s office behind Mercy Health-St. Joseph’s Hospital in Warren, a working-class city about 60 miles (100 kilometers) southeast of Cleveland.

The doctor said that, while a fetal heartbeat was still present, Watts’ water had broken prematurely and the fetus she was carrying would not survive. He advised heading to the hospital to have her labor induced, so she could have what amounted to an abortion to deliver the nonviable fetus. Otherwise, she would face “significant risk” of death, according to records of her case.
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-miscarriage-prosecution-brittany-watts-b8090abfb5994b8a23457b80cf3f27ce
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-woman-ohio-was-charged-miscarrying-bathroom-experts-warn-dangero-rcna130649

[Winehole23]

5th Circuit rules Texas is within its rights to withhold emergency medical treatment from women

1742304753202442499 (https://x.com/steve_vladeck/status/1742304753202442499?s=20)

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

At roughly the same time, Nikki Haley said she'd support a nationwide ban.

So much for the GOP leaving it up to the states, that's not even what Dobbs says. Dobbs says no right to have an abortion exists because it didn't exist in the 19th century.

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[Winehole23]

Which actually, isn't even true. SCOTUS cherry picking US history to in order to force contemporaneous GOP policy on everyone is a disgrace.

So much for judicial restraint.

[Winehole23]

The 9th Amendment gets very short shrift.

[Winehole23]

The argument that no rights granted after/during the reconstruction count because they aren't well grounded historically is dangerous.

[Winehole23]

And arguing that the 14th Amendment is color blind is literal idiocy.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Alabama Supreme Court rules IVF embryos are protected under Wrongful Death of a Minor Act (1819news.com) (https://1819news.com/news/item/alabama-supreme-court-rules-ivf-embryos-are-protected-under-wrongful-death-of-a-minor-act)


An embryo created through in-vitro fertilization (IVF) is a child protected by Alabama’s wrongful death act and the Alabama Constitution, the Alabama Supreme ruled on Friday (https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343D203A-B13D-463A-8176-C46E3AE4F695/docketentrydocuments/E3D95592-3CBE-4384-AFA6-063D4595AA1D).

In a case originating from Mobile (https://1819news.com/news/item/supreme-court-of-alabama-hears-cases-involving-embryos-destroyed-at-mobile-infirmary), LePage v. Mobile Infirmary Clinic, Inc (https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343D203A-B13D-463A-8176-C46E3AE4F695/docketentrydocuments/E3D95592-3CBE-4384-AFA6-063D4595AA1D). (https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343D203A-B13D-463A-8176-C46E3AE4F695/docketentrydocuments/E3D95592-3CBE-4384-AFA6-063D4595AA1D), the Supreme Court held in a 7-2 decision that parents of frozen embryos killed at an IVF clinic when an intruder tampered with an IVF freezer may proceed with a wrongful death lawsuit against the clinic for alleged negligence.

[Winehole23]

it was never about states rights


On Wednesday, the Republican Study Committee (RSC) — a caucus that represents 80 percent of House Republicans, including the party’s entire leadership — unveiled a budget (https://hern.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_budget_including_letter_web_version.pdf) that calls for cutting Social Security benefits and establishing that human life begins at conception.https://www.vox.com/politics/24108954/republican-study-committee-budget-social-security-cuts-abortion-biden

[baseline bum]

So is the supreme court going to rule against mifepristone being able to be sent through the mail in arguments starting tomorrow? I'm guessing Alito, Uncle Thomas, and the other four republican clerics will Calvinball a way. Or maybe Roberts pretends he ain't down so is a symbolic vote against while still ensuring it becomes law.

[Winehole23]

So is the supreme court going to rule against mifepristone being able to be sent through the mail in arguments starting tomorrow? I'm guessing Alito, Uncle Thomas, and the other four republican clerics will Calvinball a way. Or maybe Roberts pretends he ain't down so is a symbolic vote against while still ensuring it becomes law.looks like the case could fail for lack of standing...

[Thread]

looks like the case could fail for lack of standing...

Your side never obeys the SC, Winester. Your side told the SC to go pound salt over the SC's decision to let your Texas (wet) law to take effect.

- "Uh, uh, nope."

- Your side.

[Winehole23]

The crocodile tears over the safety of abortion drugs are just that.

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[Winehole23]

When a Texas woman was arrested and jailed for self-inducing an abortion in 2022, her name and mugshot were quickly broadcast around the world. Three days later, the Starr County prosecutor dropped the charges (https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/10/starr-county-murder-charge/) and was later disciplined (https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/01/Starr-county-district-attorney-abortion-murder-charges/) for bringing them at all.

But for Lizelle Herrera, now Lizelle Gonzalez, the damage had been done. The “humiliation of a highly publicized indictment and arrest” has “permanently affected her standing in the community,” according to a new federal lawsuit filed Thursday.

Gonzalez is suing Starr County District Attorney Gocha Allen Ramirez and Assistant District Attorney Alexandria Lynn Barrera for more than $1 million. Prosecutors typically have wide-ranging immunity (https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/21/abortion-texas-lizelle-herrera-prosecutors/) but the lawsuit alleges Ramirez and Barrera waived that when they undertook the investigation of this case and misled the grand jury.



But Texas law, then and now, does not allow murder charges to be brought against a pregnant person who undergoes an abortion. There were no grounds for Gonzalez to be indicted for terminating her own pregnancy, which Ramirez acknowledged after Gonzalez spent two nights in jail.

An investigation (https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&template=/Customsource/MemberDirectory/Sanction.cfm&JWID=6655422) by the State Bar of Texas found that Ramirez “sought to pursue criminal homicide charges against an individual for acts clearly not criminal.” Ramirez agreed to pay a $1,250 fine and his license will be held in a probated suspension for one year.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/30/texas-woman-sues-abotion-arrest-starr-county/

[Winehole23]

forced ceasarean, courts keeping a pregnant patient on life support for months despite her own wishes and the wishes of the family

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[Thread]

forced ceasarean, courts keeping a pregnant patient on life support for months despite her own wishes and the wishes of the family

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You shouldn't be murdering babies in the womb, Winester. Ever. It should be your religion.

[Ef-man]

This should make the maga pedos happy; Texas, smh

Texas doctor who said nine-year-olds can safely give birth appointed to maternal mortality committee

One of the US’s leading anti-abortion activists has been appointed to a Texas health committee tasked with reviewing maternal deaths.

The move worries reproductive justice advocates who say the state’s abortion ban – among the strictest in the US – has placed pregnant women’s lives in jeopardy. The appointment could undermine the committee’s ability to accurately examine the impact of the law on deaths during and in the immediate aftermath of pregnancy, they say.

Dr Ingrid Skop, a San Antonio-based OB-GYN, – who has called the supreme court’s overturning of Roe v Wade “a victory in the battle but not the end of the war” – has argued in favor of forcing rape and incest victims as young as nine or 10 to carry pregnancies to term. “If she is developed enough to be menstruating and become pregnant and reach sexual maturity, she can safely give birth to a baby,” Skop told the House oversight committee in 2021. Pregnancy at such a young age is shown to carry significant health risks, including pre-eclampsia and infections.

https://www.theguardian.com/texas-anti-abortion-activist (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/texas-anti-abortion-activist)

[Thread]

This should make the maga pedos happy; Texas, smh

Texas doctor who said nine-year-olds can safely give birth appointed to maternal mortality committee

One of the US’s leading anti-abortion activists has been appointed to a Texas health committee tasked with reviewing maternal deaths.

The move worries reproductive justice advocates who say the state’s abortion ban – among the strictest in the US – has placed pregnant women’s lives in jeopardy. The appointment could undermine the committee’s ability to accurately examine the impact of the law on deaths during and in the immediate aftermath of pregnancy, they say.

Dr Ingrid Skop, a San Antonio-based OB-GYN, – who has called the supreme court’s overturning of Roe v Wade “a victory in the battle but not the end of the war” – has argued in favor of forcing rape and incest victims as young as nine or 10 to carry pregnancies to term. “If she is developed enough to be menstruating and become pregnant and reach sexual maturity, she can safely give birth to a baby,” Skop told the House oversight committee in 2021. Pregnancy at such a young age is shown to carry significant health risks, including pre-eclampsia and infections.

(https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/texas-anti-abortion-activist)https://www.theguardian.com/texas-anti-abortion-activist


You shouldn't be murdering babies in the womb, Effy. Ever. It should be your religion.

[Winehole23]

Two medical centers allegedly denied the woman a surgical abortion because her case was not considered emergent enough, Hamilton said, despite the fact that her fetus’ heartbeat had stopped.https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2024/06/04/how-a-couple-found-themselves-tangled-in-texas-strict-abortion-laws-after-miscarriage/

[Winehole23]

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[Thread]

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2024/06/04/how-a-couple-found-themselves-tangled-in-texas-strict-abortion-laws-after-miscarriage/


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Horseshit.

[ElNono]

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Time to move out of the cult state

[Thread]

Time to move out of the cult state

Just a keep murdering them babies in the womb.

Chop/chop

[Winehole23]

Time to move out of the cult statenah, it's time to vote our inept Republican overlords out of office. political majorities are ultimately transient.

[Winehole23]

and some eventually disqualify themselves. Rs are getting desperate and it shows.

[Winehole23]

But yeah, short term, people are moving away and people are wary of moving here because of anti-woman laws and general Republican kulturkampf fuckery.

[Thread]

nah, it's time to vote our inept Republican overlords out of office. political majorities are ultimately transient.


and some eventually disqualify themselves. Rs are getting desperate and it shows.


But yeah, short term, people are moving away and people are wary of moving here because of anti-woman laws and general Republican kulturkampf fuckery.

The Winester; runnin' just as fast as he can.

[Winehole23]

Lucky for Kate Cox, appropriate medical care is still available (https://x.com/ReproRights/status/1734286514937381314?s=20) in other states, and she can afford to access it.

Funny how the Texas Supreme Court stayed up late on Friday to stay the court order, but then lollygagged for the rest of the weekend when the medical care in question is time-sensitive. Cox was already leaking amniotic fluid. The risk of stillbirth and sepsis are/were real.

1734286514937381314this stood out to me as judicial sadism

[Winehole23]

*muh weekend

[Thread]

this stood out to me as judicial sadism

I'll boil it down...you ain't turnin' Texas.

[Winehole23]

DON'T WORRY, WE'RE NOT COMING FOR YOUR BIRTH CONTROL

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[Thread]

DON'T WORRY, WE'RE NOT COMING FOR YOUR BIRTH CONTROL

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Well, your side tried to murder Trump many, many times.

[Winehole23]

The Republican jihad against the freedom of women to travel to other states for medical care hasn't subsided yet.

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[ChumpDumper]

The Republican jihad against the freedom of women to travel to other states for medical care hasn't subsided yet.

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Pregnant women would just bypass it and not go to the Big Texan Steak Ranch.

[Spurminator]

How do you call yourself a party of freedom while also trying to restrict people from traveling out of state to do something that is legal in another state?

Are we going to ban going to Oklahoma casinos too? (Of course not, because men do that.)

[Thread]

The Republican jihad against the freedom of women to travel to other states for medical care hasn't subsided yet.

1800731287436554511


Murdering babies in the womb has already killed over 63 million American babies since '73.

[Thread]

How do you call yourself a party of freedom while also trying to restrict people from traveling out of state to do something that is legal in another state?

Are we going to ban going to Oklahoma casinos too? (Of course not, because men do that.)

...+ Indians are involved. tee, hee.

[Thread]

Pregnant women would just bypass it and not go to the Big Texan Steak Ranch.

You ain't turnin' Texas.

[Spurminator]

Batshit.

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[Winehole23]

Batshit.

1800968160654295063They're definitely coming for birth control.

[Thread]

They're definitely coming for birth control.

It ain't worked. We're done over 63 million Americans since '73 due to tearing babies out of wombs.

[z0sa]

In a normal context, the Constitution reserves the right to regulate interstate commerce, such as seeking healthcare in a for-profit system, to the federal government. Banning the free movement of those seeking products or services in different states sounds inherently unconstitutional, but I'm just speaking from a layman's perspective.

[Ef-man]

They're definitely coming for birth control.

Does the repressed SBC prudes ban include the hiring of pool boys? Asking for Jerry Falwell Jr.

[Thread]

Does the repressed SBC prudes ban include the hiring of pool boys? Asking for Jerry Falwell Jr.

After murdering 63 million babies in the womb the last half century it don't matter, Effy. If it breathes hire it.

[Ef-man]

The Supreme Court unanimously rejected a lawsuit challenging the Food and Drug Administration’s approach to regulating the abortion pill mifepristone with a ruling that will continue to allow the pills to be mailed to patients without an in-person doctor’s visit.

[Winehole23]

Definitely a W for now. Judge Kaszmaryk granted three states separate standing, so this is going to come back up.

[Thread]

The Supreme Court unanimously rejected a lawsuit challenging the Food and Drug Administration’s approach to regulating the abortion pill mifepristone with a ruling that will continue to allow the pills to be mailed to patients without an in-person doctor’s visit.

Just keep a adding to that 63 million babies you've already murdered in the womb in the last half a century.

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

Definitely a W for now. Judge Kaszmaryk granted three states separate standing, so this is going to come back up.

- "Hope, hope."

- Dick Ritchie - "True Romance"

[baseline bum]

The Supreme Court unanimously rejected a lawsuit challenging the Food and Drug Administration’s approach to regulating the abortion pill mifepristone with a ruling that will continue to allow the pills to be mailed to patients without an in-person doctor’s visit.

Only because the plaintiff didn't have standing to claim damages. The Republican judges just kicked the can further down the road so they can ban it in a non election year.

[Splits]

Only because the plaintiff didn't have standing to claim damages. The Republican judges just kicked the can further down the road so they can ban it in a non election year.

Exactly. The same court that secretly agreed to accept the Dobbs case days after Jan 6 but not announce it until April because the environment was too charged to just openly accept it.

[Thread]

Exactly. The same court that secretly agreed to accept the Dobbs case days after Jan 6 but not announce it until April because the environment was too charged to just openly accept it.

...vs. the jury who took less than 3 hours to send Biden's boy to FELON HEAVEN.

[Thread]

Only because the plaintiff didn't have standing to claim damages. The Republican judges just kicked the can further down the road so they can ban it in a non election year.

You GD mother fuc...

"Hold on Dale, don't lose your cool again on the old bumster...okay I won't."

Aftermoon, bum.

Love always,

- Dale

[Winehole23]

Texas is basically leaving doctors in the dark about what's allowed or not allowed. Even in life-threatening emergencies, while dangling life in prison and loss of medical license if they get it wrong. And then blaming the doctors if women don't get the medical care they need.

The criminalization of medical practice is a theme with Republicans these days.


"A cesarean hysterectomy can lead to five liters of blood loss in three minutes,” said Dr. Joseph Valenti, an OB/GYN who serves on the Texas Medical Association’s Board of Trustees. “We don't want to be documenting while we're having blood loss or a baby is dropping heart tone."link (http://Texas Medical Board adopts abortion guidance | The Texas Tribune)

[Thread]

Texas is basically leaving doctors in the dark about what's allowed or not allowed. Even in life-threatening emergencies, while dangling life in prison and loss of medical license if they get it wrong. And then blaming the doctors if women don't get the medical care they need.

The criminalization of medical practice is a theme with Republicans these days.

link (http://Texas Medical Board adopts abortion guidance | The Texas Tribune)

After 63+ million abortions in the United States since '73 what's another 63+ million, Winester.?

Just another shaved pussy.

[Winehole23]

another "leak"


The Supreme Court appears poised to temporarily allow abortions in medical emergencies in Idaho, Bloomberg News (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-26/us-supreme-court-poised-to-allow-emergency-abortions-in-idaho) reported Wednesday, citing a document that was inadvertently posted on the court’s website in an astonishing breach of protocol.


The unsigned opinion (https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rJo5436tVr08/v0) showed that three conservatives – Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – sided with the court’s three liberals to block the state from enforcing the ban in certain emergency situations.

link (https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/26/politics/supreme-court-abortion-idaho-bloomberg/index.html)

[Winehole23]

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[Thread]

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A substantial number of Americans have already murdered over 63 million babies in the womb since '73.

What's another 1.2 million a year in perpetuity?

I'll tell, ya Winester...just one shaved pussy after another.

[Winehole23]

criminalizing pregnancy

1816588827529744753https://x.com/JessicaValenti/status/1816588827529744753

[Thread]

criminalizing pregnancy

1816588827529744753https://x.com/JessicaValenti/status/1816588827529744753

What's another sucked out American baby after over 63 million in half-century? Nothing.

[Winehole23]

EMTALA lawsuit forthcoming


Bleeding and in pain, Kyleigh Thurman didn’t know her doomed pregnancy could kill her.

Emergency room doctors at Ascension Seton Williamson in Texas handed her a pamphlet on miscarriage and told her to “let nature take its course” before discharging her without treatment for her ectopic pregnancy.

When the 25-year-old returned three days later, still bleeding, doctors finally agreed to give her an injection intended to end the pregnancy. But it was too late. The fertilized egg growing on Thurman’s fallopian tube would rupture it, destroying part of her reproductive system.

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[Winehole23]

Montana


Montana Supreme Court rules minors don't need parental permission for abortion | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/montana-abortion-parental-consent-980e974b46721f6fcdefd9ac85a2a996?utm_campaign=True Anthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter) Montana’s Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that minors don’t need their parents’ permission to get an abortion in the state – agreeing with a lower court ruling that found the parental consent law violates the privacy clause in the state constitution.

“We conclude that minors, like adults, have a fundamental right to privacy, which includes procreative autonomy and making medical decisions affecting his or her bodily integrity and health in partnership with a chosen health care provider free from governmental interest,” Justice Laurie McKinnon wrote in the unanimous opinion.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

criminalizing pregnancy

1816588827529744753https://x.com/JessicaValenti/status/1816588827529744753

Have to love the US Taliban.

[Winehole23]

bad news for women and babies in OK

1825888047696617707https://x.com/tulsaworld/status/1825888047696617707

[Winehole23]

there's little need for Congress to pass a nationwide abortion ban if Trump decides to make medication abortion unavailable by enforcing the Comstock Act, this LA law is a bad sign

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https://x.com/lorenaoneil/status/1830971782926610602

[Winehole23]

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https://x.com/thetrueshelby/status/1832420411709255958

[Winehole23]

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https://x.com/JessicaValenti/status/1833870817844941189

[Winehole23]

D&C is a medical procedure. This death was needless.

Abortion bans are deadly.



In her final hours, Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a grave infection that her suburban Atlanta hospital was well-equipped to treat.


She’d taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of a routine procedure to clear it from her uterus, called a dilation and curettage, or D&C.


But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison.


Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her 6-year-old son, as doctors monitored her infection spreading, her blood pressure sinking and her organs beginning to fail.


It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then, it was too late.

The otherwise healthy 28-year-old medical assistant, who had her sights set on nursing school, should not have died, an official state committee recently concluded.
Under Georgia’s Abortion Ban, She Died After Delayed Care — ProPublica (https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death)

[Winehole23]

Georgia

1840834175311450569https://x.com/gringsam/status/1840834175311450569

[Winehole23]

vote like there are life and death consequences, because there are


1842234058803179722https://x.com/lorenaoneil/status/1842234058803179722

[Winehole23]

there's a deep fear and hatred of women at the bottom of the fetal rights movement

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https://x.com/JessicaValenti/status/1846327814770798887

[Winehole23]

The new mifepristone lawsuit seeks to revive the Comstock Act and chattelize women

Red states lobbying for MOAR TEEN PREGNANCY

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https://x.com/cjtackett/status/1847270901902967261

https://x.com/cjtackett/status/1847270901902967261

[Winehole23]

at this point it's been pretty much empirically established that abortion bans kill women, increase infant mortality and empower rapists.

let's not pretend it's about the sanctity of life.

[Winehole23]

Conservatism is when states force teen girls to have babies in order to qualify for more federal dollars.

[Winehole23]

Texas's abortion ban is killing mothers


Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.


The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.
But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”


For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.


Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.


Barnica is one of at least two Texas women who ProPublica found lost their lives after doctors delayed treating miscarriages, which fall into a gray area under the state’s strict abortion laws that prohibit doctors from ending the heartbeat of a fetus.
Neither had wanted an abortion, but that didn’t matter. Though proponents insist that the laws protect both the life of the fetus and the person carrying it, in practice, doctors have hesitated to provide care under threat of prosecution, prison time and professional ruin.
Josseli Barnica Died in Texas After Waiting 40 Hours for Miscarriage Care — ProPublica (https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban)

[Winehole23]

Similar referendum lost in FL with 58% voting yes.

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https://x.com/annaspoerre/status/1854017505125154949

[Winehole23]

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https://x.com/jayme_lozano/status/1854015491884364162

[Winehole23]

AZ approves abortion rights referendum

[koriwhat]

Death cult

[Winehole23]

Death cultbelieving in the legal equality and bodily autonomy of women isn't a death cult imo

[Winehole23]

FL Amendment 4 got a bigger vote share and nearly as many raw votes as Trump, but failed

[koriwhat]

believing in the legal equality and bodily autonomy of women isn't a death cult imo

Keep making excuses for why your ideology is one of hate, division, and worse, death. Fuck you, fuck yours, and fuck all that are just like you bro. :tu

[SnakeBoy]

FL Amendment 4 got a bigger vote share and nearly as many raw votes as Trump, but failed

:tu

[Winehole23]

1858944701774106638https://x.com/decunningham2/status/1858944701774106638

[Winehole23]

denying standard emergency medical care kills women


Wrapping his wife in a blanket as she mourned the loss of her pregnancy at 11 weeks, Hope Ngumezi wondered why no obstetrician was coming to see her.

Over the course of six hours on June 11, 2023, Porsha Ngumezi had bled so much in the emergency department at Houston Methodist Sugar Land that she’d needed two transfusions. She was anxious to get home to her young sons, but, according to a nurse’s notes, she was still “passing large clots the size of grapefruit.”

Hope dialed his mother, a former physician, who was unequivocal. “You need a D&C,” she told them, referring to dilation and curettage, a common procedure for first-trimester miscarriages and abortions. If a doctor could remove the remaining tissue from her uterus, the bleeding would end.
Third woman dies under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors use riskier miscarriage treatments - Raw Story (https://www.rawstory.com/a-third-woman-died-under-texas-abortion-ban-doctors-are-avoiding-dcs-and-reaching-for-r/)

[SnakeBoy]

That has nothing to do with Texas law

[Winehole23]

That has nothing to do with Texas lawo rly?

[Winehole23]

Snake Boy probably blames the doctors/hospitals that the law is clearly aimed at

[Winehole23]

"nothing to do with the law"

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https://x.com/jmontforttx/status/1861048961890496617

[ElNono]

denying standard emergency medical care kills women

Third woman dies under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors use riskier miscarriage treatments - Raw Story (https://www.rawstory.com/a-third-woman-died-under-texas-abortion-ban-doctors-are-avoiding-dcs-and-reaching-for-r/)

You can literally be in the wrong state at the wrong time.

[Winehole23]

bounty hunters


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[Winehole23]

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[SnakeBoy]

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[Winehole23]

^^^ resident grave-dancer

[SnakeBoy]

Ohio Democratic lawmakers propose ‘Contraception Begins at Erection Act’
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/02/10/ohio-democratic-lawmakers-propose-contraception-begins-at-erection-act/


A new bill in Ohio would make it a crime for men to ejaculate without intending to have a baby.

“You don’t get pregnant on your own,” state Rep. Anita Somani, D-Dublin, said.


This is the way libs

[Winehole23]

this is the way, MAGAs

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/infant-mortality-rises-states-with-abortion-bans-study-finds-2025-02-13/

[Thread]

Ohio Democratic lawmakers propose ‘Contraception Begins at Erection Act’
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/02/10/ohio-democratic-lawmakers-propose-contraception-begins-at-erection-act/




This is the way libs

Yep.

[Winehole23]

Mifeprostol can control otherwise catastrophic hemorrhaging during or after birth

Criminalizing emergency medicine is a bad, bad idea


States have long kept centralized databases to monitor prescriptions for potentially addictive drugs. Now, abortion pills (https://www.businessinsider.com/the-abortion-pill-what-to-know-about-self-managed-abortions-2020-11) are being monitored in the same way in some parts of the US.


Last May, Louisiana passed a law to monitor misoprostol (https://www.businessinsider.com/the-abortion-pill-what-to-know-about-self-managed-abortions-2020-11) and mifepristone (https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-pill-women-stockpile-mifepristone-trump-presidency-experts-2024-4), the two pills commonly used to induce abortions (https://www.businessinsider.com/supreme-court-abortion-decision-final-ruling-scotus-roe-v-wade-2022-6). The law reclassified the drugs as "controlled substances (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-drug-scheduling-system-heroin-marijuana-2016-5)," a designation typically given to medications that carry the risk of abuse.



Previously, obstetrician-gynecologists (https://www.businessinsider.com/aspiring-obgyns-worried-about-adequate-training-post-roe-v-wade-2022-8) often carried misoprostol in their pockets for emergencies. Now, the medicine must be stored in locked cabinets.
Avegno told BI that clinicians across Louisiana have been running "time trials" to test how quickly they can retrieve misoprostol from those locked cabinets, bring it back to the patient, and administer it. In the case of severe postpartum hemorrhaging, mere minutes could be the difference between life and death.
https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-meds-prescription-tracking-misoprostol-mifepristone-bamboo-health-2025-2

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

studying causes of infant mortality for nonwhite people and the top cause of maternal mortality are too DEI for Trumplandia

DOGE's anti-DEI AI censor bot flagged the grants, so away they go to the dustbin of history

Intimate partner violence drives women to abortion who otherwise might have their babies, btw



In 2023, the National Domestic Violence Hotline reported that, in the first year since Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, as abortion bans spread across the country, the number of calls they received about reproductive coercion doubled (https://www.jezebel.com/domestic-violence-hotline-reports-99-increase-in-calls-1850641660). In 2024, the Hotline published a survey of domestic violence victims who have experienced reproductive coercion, and 13% of respondents said abusive partners used or threatened violence while they were pregnant. It’s estimated that up to 22% of abortion patients recently experienced IPV, which played a role in why some of them sought abortion care.

“The thing that a lot of people find really shocking is that IPV kills more people during pregnancy and immediately after the baby is born than obstetric complications do,” Fielding-Miller said. “The science is not very good on the exact reasons why that is, and it’s certainly not very good on how to prevent it. But this is usually a time of increasing conflict and increasing attempts for partner control.”
https://www.jezebel.com/researcher-studying-domestic-violence-maternal-mortality-loses-funding-over-rfk-jr-s-maha-agenda

[Winehole23]

the return of fugitive slave act type stuff is emblematic of Trump 2.0

stripping Americans of their basic rights is the clear aim


Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall’s threats to prosecute abortion funds and other helping Alabamians to obtain abortions out of state are unconstitutional, a federal judge declared (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.almd.80824/gov.uscourts.almd.80824.85.0.pdf) on Monday in a first-of-its-kind ruling.


Marshall’s threats were unconstitutional on multiple grounds, including the right to travel and the First Amendment, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson ruled in a 131-page opinion (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.almd.80824/gov.uscourts.almd.80824.84.0.pdf).
https://www.lawdork.com/p/alabama-yellowhammer-fund-final-judgment

[Winehole23]

another election, it should say


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[Thread]

another election, it should say


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Be grateful that you're the richest man in the world.
And haven't been [Butler'ed] yet.
The hour is extremely young.

[Winehole23]

creepy forced birth scenario

can only imagine the financial burden on the family


Georgia enacted a ban on abortion after six weeks gestation following the 2022 overturn of (https://people.com/health/roe-v-wade-supreme-court-overturned/)Roe v. Wade (https://people.com/health/roe-v-wade-supreme-court-overturned/). According to law, “no abortion shall be performed if the unborn child has a detectable human heartbeat except (a) in the event of a medical emergency or medically futile pregnancy.”

In the state, “medical emergency” is defined as “a condition in which an abortion is necessary in order to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or the substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman.”

However, Smith's case is considered a legal gray area and doctors reportedly told her family that because she is brain dead, and no longer considered at risk, they are legally required to maintain life support until the fetus reaches viability.

Newkirk said they were told that the doctors are not legally allowed to consider other options.
https://people.com/pregnant-woman-declared-brain-dead-kept-alive-due-to-abortion-ban-11734676

[Winehole23]

taking away women's rights in 2022 was the bellwether

official oppression is becoming more generalized in Trump 2.0


A Texas hospital that repeatedly sent a woman who was bleeding and in pain (https://apnews.com/article/pregnant-women-emergency-room-ectopic-er-edd66276d2f6c412c988051b618fb8f9) home without ending her nonviable, life-threatening pregnancy violated the law, according to a newly released federal investigation.

The government’s findings, which have not been previously reported, were a small victory for 36-year-old Kyleigh Thurman, who ultimately lost part of her reproductive system after being discharged without any help from her hometown emergency room for her dangerous ectopic pregnancy.

But a new policy the Trump administration announced on Tuesday has thrown into doubt the federal government’s oversight of hospitals that deny women emergency abortions (https://apnews.com/hub/abortion), even when they are at risk for serious infection, organ loss or severe hemorrhaging.
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-hospital-doomed-pregnancy-discharge-308ea695a17f72500cbf31622fdb521a

[Winehole23]

denying women emergency care for complications of pregnancy is depraved indifference to life

shame on the Supreme Court for making women second-class citizens again



Before states banned abortion, one of the gravest outcomes of early miscarriage could easily be avoided: Doctors could offer a dilation and curettage procedure, which quickly empties the uterus and allows it to close, protecting against a life-threatening hemorrhage.

But because the procedures, known as D&Cs, are also used to end pregnancies, they have gotten tangled up in state legislation that restricts abortion. Reports now abound of doctors hesitating to provide them and women who are bleeding heavily being discharged from emergency rooms without care, only to return in such dire condition that they need blood transfusions to survive. As ProPublica reported last year (https://www.propublica.org/article/porsha-ngumezi-miscarriage-death-texas-abortion-ban), one woman died of hemorrhage after 10 hours in a Houston hospital that didn’t perform the procedure.

Now, a new ProPublica data analysis (https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-miscarriage-blood-transfusions-methodology) adds empirical weight to the mounting evidence that abortion bans have made the common experience of miscarriage — which occurs in up to 30% of pregnancies — far more dangerous. It is based on hospital discharge data from Texas, the largest state to ban abortion, and captures emergency department visits from 2017 to 2023, the most recent year available.

After Texas made performing abortions a felony in August 2022, ProPublica found, the number of blood transfusions during emergency room visits for first-trimester miscarriage shot up by 54%.

The number of emergency room visits for early miscarriage also rose, by 25%, compared with the three years before the COVID-19 pandemic — a sign that women who didn’t receive D&Cs initially may be returning to hospitals in worse condition, more than a dozen experts told ProPublica.
https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-abortion-ban-miscarriage-blood-transfusions

[Winehole23]

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[Dod01]

This ChatGPT answer elaborates on what I've basically been saying to right-wing extremists, who support abortion being made illegal for control (forcing religious beliefs via policy, etc.), as well as a deflection technique, to make themselves appear more moral than they really are, since some of them don't actually genuinely care if a fetus is aborted or not.

What I say in about two sentences, ChatGPT here elaborates on that:

Do Democrats actually support abortion when the baby is fully formed, etc? (I (Dod01) know I personally DO NOT, unless legitimate medical reasons arise)

Chatgpt answer:

This is a common and often misunderstood topic, so let’s break it down carefully and accurately:

Mainstream Democratic stance: Most Democratic politicians and voters support the right to access abortion, ESPECIALLY in the EARLIER STAGES OF PREGNANCY. The general position is that decisions about pregnancy should be left to a woman and her doctor, not the government. However, late-term abortions are MUCH RARER and are typically supported ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC, SERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES.

On late-term abortions (sometimes referred to as “abortion up to birth”):

These procedures are EXTREMELY RARE, making up LESS THAN 1% of ALL ABORTIONS in the U.S.

When they DO happen, it's usually because of SEVERE FETAL ABNORMALITIES or SERIOUS RISKS TO THE HEALTH OR LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

Democrats who support the legal option for late-term abortion EMPHASIZE MEDICAL NECESSITY, NOT ELECTIVE REASONS.

Federal and state-level proposals from Democrats often include language to protect access to abortion through viability (roughly 23–24 weeks), and ALLOW LATER PROCEDURES ONLY WHEN MEDICALLY INDICATED.

So, while the right-wing often characterizes Democrats as supporting abortion “up to birth” for any reason, THAT PORTRAYAL DOESN'T REFLECT THE ACTUAL POLICY POSITIONS OR THE MEDICAL AND LEGAL REALITIES OF LATE-TERM ABORTION IN THE U.S.

[koriwhat]

This ChatGPT answer elaborates on what I've basically been saying to right-wing extremists, who support abortion being made illegal for control (forcing religious beliefs via policy, etc.), as well as a deflection technique, to make themselves appear more moral than they really are, since some of them don't actually genuinely care if a fetus is aborted or not.

What I say in about two sentences, ChatGPT here elaborates on that:

Do Democrats actually support abortion when the baby is fully formed, etc? (I (Dod01) know I personally DO NOT, unless legitimate medical reasons arise)

Chatgpt answer:

This is a common and often misunderstood topic, so let’s break it down carefully and accurately:

Mainstream Democratic stance: Most Democratic politicians and voters support the right to access abortion, ESPECIALLY in the EARLIER STAGES OF PREGNANCY. The general position is that decisions about pregnancy should be left to a woman and her doctor, not the government. However, late-term abortions are MUCH RARER and are typically supported ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC, SERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES.

On late-term abortions (sometimes referred to as “abortion up to birth”):

These procedures are EXTREMELY RARE, making up LESS THAN 1% of ALL ABORTIONS in the U.S.

When they DO happen, it's usually because of SEVERE FETAL ABNORMALITIES or SERIOUS RISKS TO THE HEALTH OR LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

Democrats who support the legal option for late-term abortion EMPHASIZE MEDICAL NECESSITY, NOT ELECTIVE REASONS.

Federal and state-level proposals from Democrats often include language to protect access to abortion through viability (roughly 23–24 weeks), and ALLOW LATER PROCEDURES ONLY WHEN MEDICALLY INDICATED.

So, while the right-wing often characterizes Democrats as supporting abortion “up to birth” for any reason, THAT PORTRAYAL DOESN'T REFLECT THE ACTUAL POLICY POSITIONS OR THE MEDICAL AND LEGAL REALITIES OF LATE-TERM ABORTION IN THE U.S.


Chatgpt, you don't say... :lol

[SnakeBoy]

This ChatGPT answer elaborates on what I've basically been saying to right-wing extremists, who support abortion being made illegal for control (forcing religious beliefs via policy, etc.), as well as a deflection technique, to make themselves appear more moral than they really are, since some of them don't actually genuinely care if a fetus is aborted or not.

What I say in about two sentences, ChatGPT here elaborates on that:

Do Democrats actually support abortion when the baby is fully formed, etc? (I (Dod01) know I personally DO NOT, unless legitimate medical reasons arise)

Chatgpt answer:

This is a common and often misunderstood topic, so let’s break it down carefully and accurately:

Mainstream Democratic stance: Most Democratic politicians and voters support the right to access abortion, ESPECIALLY in the EARLIER STAGES OF PREGNANCY. The general position is that decisions about pregnancy should be left to a woman and her doctor, not the government. However, late-term abortions are MUCH RARER and are typically supported ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC, SERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES.

On late-term abortions (sometimes referred to as “abortion up to birth”):

These procedures are EXTREMELY RARE, making up LESS THAN 1% of ALL ABORTIONS in the U.S.

When they DO happen, it's usually because of SEVERE FETAL ABNORMALITIES or SERIOUS RISKS TO THE HEALTH OR LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

Democrats who support the legal option for late-term abortion EMPHASIZE MEDICAL NECESSITY, NOT ELECTIVE REASONS.

Federal and state-level proposals from Democrats often include language to protect access to abortion through viability (roughly 23–24 weeks), and ALLOW LATER PROCEDURES ONLY WHEN MEDICALLY INDICATED.

So, while the right-wing often characterizes Democrats as supporting abortion “up to birth” for any reason, THAT PORTRAYAL DOESN'T REFLECT THE ACTUAL POLICY POSITIONS OR THE MEDICAL AND LEGAL REALITIES OF LATE-TERM ABORTION IN THE U.S.


As long as every Dem politician is too chickenshit to say they support limits on abortion we'll keep hammering them with it

[SnakeBoy]

This ChatGPT answer elaborates on what I've basically been saying to right-wing extremists, who support abortion being made illegal for control (forcing religious beliefs via policy, etc.), as well as a deflection technique, to make themselves appear more moral than they really are, since some of them don't actually genuinely care if a fetus is aborted or not.

What I say in about two sentences, ChatGPT here elaborates on that:

Do Democrats actually support abortion when the baby is fully formed, etc? (I (Dod01) know I personally DO NOT, unless legitimate medical reasons arise)

Chatgpt answer:

This is a common and often misunderstood topic, so let’s break it down carefully and accurately:

Mainstream Democratic stance: Most Democratic politicians and voters support the right to access abortion, ESPECIALLY in the EARLIER STAGES OF PREGNANCY. The general position is that decisions about pregnancy should be left to a woman and her doctor, not the government. However, late-term abortions are MUCH RARER and are typically supported ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC, SERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES.

On late-term abortions (sometimes referred to as “abortion up to birth”):

These procedures are EXTREMELY RARE, making up LESS THAN 1% of ALL ABORTIONS in the U.S.

When they DO happen, it's usually because of SEVERE FETAL ABNORMALITIES or SERIOUS RISKS TO THE HEALTH OR LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

Democrats who support the legal option for late-term abortion EMPHASIZE MEDICAL NECESSITY, NOT ELECTIVE REASONS.

Federal and state-level proposals from Democrats often include language to protect access to abortion through viability (roughly 23–24 weeks), and ALLOW LATER PROCEDURES ONLY WHEN MEDICALLY INDICATED.

So, while the right-wing often characterizes Democrats as supporting abortion “up to birth” for any reason, THAT PORTRAYAL DOESN'T REFLECT THE ACTUAL POLICY POSITIONS OR THE MEDICAL AND LEGAL REALITIES OF LATE-TERM ABORTION IN THE U.S.


As long as every Dem politician is too chickenshit to say they support limits on abortion we'll keep hammering them with it

[Winehole23]

As long as every Dem politician is too chickenshit to say they support limits on abortion we'll keep hammering them with itRoe v Wade had limits, and libs were fine with that

[SnakeBoy]

https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1946273732563276204

[Winehole23]

https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1946273732563276204what impressed you about this?

[Winehole23]

or are you not open to talking about your own post?

[Dod01]

Roe v Wade had limits, and libs were fine with that

I mean, this, really. In all practicality, this is the stance of the majority on the left, but again, they (right-wangers) will keep covering their ears, going "lalalalalala, I can't hear you".

[Dod01]

As long as every Dem politician is too chickenshit to say they support limits on abortion we'll keep hammering them with it

Ahoppp, Snake, you're mentally ill because you made a double post, because the servers are acting up again!

[Winehole23]

it's about controlling and intimidating women


In 2022, a Texas district attorney announced and then quickly dropped murder charges against a woman who had an abortion. The woman, Lizelle Gonzalez, never should have been arrested, because the Texas penal code exempts (https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.19.htm) women who terminate their own pregnancies from criminal charges. Last week, we learned that the DA had been accused in court filings of paying for his mistress’s abortion (https://www.jezebel.com/texas-da-who-charged-woman-with-murder-for-abortion-allegedly-paid-for-his-mistresss-abortion) years earlier.

This allegation only came to light because Gonzalez filed (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsd.1954790/gov.uscourts.txsd.1954790.7.0_1.pdf) a federal lawsuit (https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/30/texas-woman-sues-abotion-arrest-starr-county/) against officials in Starr County, Texas, for violating her civil rights by charging her with murder. Even though the charges were dropped days later, her name and mugshot became international news; she’s suing for $1 million in damages.


The defendants—district attorney Gocha Ramirez, assistant district attorney Alexandria Barrera, and sheriff Rene Fuentes—have been trying to dismiss the lawsuit, arguing that they have either absolute or qualified immunity for their actions taken as public officials.

But last year, Trump-appointed federal district court judge Drew Tipton disagreed, and said the case could move forward (https://apnews.com/article/texas-abortion-arrest-0a78cbb8f44cc24c3c9c811e1cc2b4d3). In the meantime, Gonzalez’s lawyers have been conducting discovery (https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-filing-reveals-gross-abuse-of-power-by-texas-officials-who-engaged-in-wrongful-prosecution-of-abortion) related to the arrest and investigation, which is how they learned that Ramirez allegedly paid for an abortion in the late 1990s.

Gonzalez’s legal team is principally arguing that prosecutors had a duty to know the exceptions (https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.19.htm) in the homicide statute before presenting the case to a grand jury. But they are also contending that Ramirez’s past conduct suggests that he personally knew that abortion is not homicide, since (presumably) he would have been reluctant to pay for an abortion if he understood it to be murder.
https://ballsandstrikes.org/law-politics/lizelle-gonzalez-cops-deposition/

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The Texas state bar disciplined (https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/01/Starr-county-district-attorney-abortion-murder-charges/) Ramirez in early 2024 for allowing his office to file the murder charge and, in a settlement, Ramirez agreed to pay a $1,250 fine and have his license held in a probated suspension for one year.

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Dobbs is killing Texas women, and Texas is trying to hide it

Banning the practice of emergency medicine is barbaric


Porsha Ngumezi sat for hours in a Houston-area emergency room, passing grapefruit-sized blood clots as she waited to be treated for a first-trimester miscarriage.


When Brenda Yolani Arzu Ramirez’s baby died in the second trimester, it triggered a life-threatening infection that worsened over the hours she waited to deliver vaginally at an Austin hospital.


Both women faced delays in care. Both needed urgent procedures to clear their uteruses. Neither received them. Both died.


At the outset of Texas’ abortion ban, medical experts worried women like Porsha and Brenda would die from delays in care.

It may never be known exactly how many Texas women have died as a result of the state’s abortion restrictions. It’s not always possible to determine to what degree the bans, and the fear around them, influenced a patient’s care.


And the state is not trying to find out (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2024/12/06/deaths-will-be-in-vain-texas-body-to-skip-2-years-of-maternal-death-data-amid-pushback/). The Texas Maternal Mortality and Morbidity Review Committee, the body responsible for investigating maternal deaths, has announced it is not investigating cases from 2022 and 2023, including the immediate aftermath of the state’s almost-total abortion ban.
https://interactives.dallasnews.com/2025/texas-abortion-ban-pregnancy-health-care-jeopardized/texas-abortion-ban-maternal-deaths/

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by executive decree, Tylenol will no longer be available for pregnant women

lol Trump addressing American mothers like a football coach


"If you can't tough it out, if you can't do it, that's what you're gonna have to do. You'll take a Tylenol, but it'll be very sparingly ... I think you shouldn't take it."

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"softest man in the world encourages pregnant women to get tougher"

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actually, I'm glad to see zero Republican shitbirds in this forum trying to justify this paternalistic bullshit

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abusive husband snitches on his pregnant wife, sex-creep cop accesses license plate readers in multiple states to track her


Back in May (https://jessica.substack.com/i/164594731/criminalizing-care), 404 Media (https://www.404media.co/a-texas-cop-searched-license-plate-cameras-nationwide-for-a-woman-who-got-an-abortion/) published a bombshell report: Texas police tried to track down an abortion patient using an automatic license plate reader (ALPR), accessing more than 83,000 cameras across the country. The Johnson County Sheriff’s Office told reporters this wasn’t a criminal investigation but a missing person case, claiming the search “was about her safety.” Even the ALPR company, Flock, jumped in (https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/statement-network-sharing-use-cases-federal-cooperation?ref=404media.co) to say it was “unequivocally false” that the search was about abortion, calling it “clickbait-driven reporting.”
To no one’s surprise, they were full of shit: New reporting from 404 Media (https://www.404media.co/police-said-they-surveilled-woman-who-had-an-abortion-for-her-safety-court-records-show-they-considered-charging-her-with-a-crime/) and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/10/flock-safety-and-texas-sheriff-claimed-license-plate-search-was-missing-person-it) confirms that police were trying to locate this woman with the goal of prosecuting her, after opening a “death investigation” into her abortion. After journalists took notice, police tried to cover their tracks.


Perhaps worst of all, this investigation was prompted by the woman’s abusive partner—a man who threatened her at gunpoint before turning her in to police over her abortion.



King claimed the woman “was not under investigation at any point.” But police collected evidence related to the woman’s abortion—like text messages, photos, and the envelope her abortion pills arrived in. They also went to the district attorney’s office about prosecuting the woman, only to be told Texas law wouldn’t allow it.


What’s more, Sheriff Adam King himself was later arrested and indicted on multiple counts of sexual harassment. That’s right: In August, the cop in charge of this case turned himself in over charges related to sexual misconduct and retaliation against his victims. He’s accused of “unwelcome sexual advances” and pressuring his female employees to undress in front of him.https://jessica.substack.com/p/texas-abortion-surveillance-plate-reader

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I guess sex-pest cops tracking pregnant exes all over the country for wife-beaters is just states' rights in Trump's America

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when you deny people emergency treatment, they can die



Tierra Walker had reached her limit. In the weeks since she’d learned she was pregnant, the 37-year-old dental assistant had been wracked by unexplained seizures and mostly confined to a hospital cot. With soaring blood pressure and diabetes, she knew she was at high risk of developing preeclampsia, a pregnancy complication that could end her life.


Her mind was made up on the morning of Oct. 14, 2024: For the sake of her 14-year-old son, JJ, she needed to ask her doctor for an abortion to protect her health.
“Wouldn’t you think it would be better for me to not have the baby?” she asked a physician at Methodist Hospital Northeast near San Antonio, according to her aunt. Just a few years earlier, Walker had developed a dangerous case of preeclampsia that had led to the stillbirth of her twins.


But the doctor, her family said, told her what many other medical providers would say in the weeks that followed: There was no emergency; nothing was wrong with her pregnancy, only her health.


Just after Christmas, on his birthday, JJ found his mom draped over her bed, lifeless. An autopsy would later confirm what she had feared: Preeclampsia killed her at 20 weeks pregnant.
https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-abortion-ban-tierra-walker-preeclampsia

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Yet lawmakers who wrote the bans have refused to create exceptions for health risks. As a result, many hospitals and doctors, facing the threat of criminal charges, no longer offer these patients terminations, ProPublica found in interviews with more than 100 OB-GYNs across the country. Instead, these women are left to gamble with their lives.


As Walker’s blood pressure swung wildly and a blood clot threatened to kill her, she continued to press doctors at prenatal appointments and emergency room visits, asking if it was safe for her to continue the pregnancy. Although one doctor documented in her medical record that she was at “high risk of clinical deterioration and/or death,” she was told over and over again that she didn’t need to worry, her relatives say. More than 90 doctors were involved in Walker’s care, but not one offered her the option to end her pregnancy, according to medical records.

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(doctors are cowed by an extreme and inhumane law, women are dying for lack of emergency medical care in Texas)

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(putting forum MAGAs down as being cool with Texas women dying for lack of emergency medical care -- silence implies agreement)

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The backlash to the ACA prompted states to protect individual choice in medical care in their constitutions

The Wyoming Supreme Court just overturned a ban on abortion on that basis


Abortion will remain legal in Wyoming after the state Supreme Court struck down laws that include the country’s first explicit ban on abortion pills (https://apnews.com/article/wyoming-medication-abortion-ban-gordon-8120493afa25f7a2d4233192dc612cb3), ruling Tuesday that they violate the state constitution.


The justices sided with the state’s only abortion clinic and others who had sued over the bans passed since 2022, the year that the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the landmark Roe v. Wade (https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0) decision.
Wellspring Health Access in Casper, the abortion access advocacy group Chelsea’s Fund and four women, including two obstetricians, argued that the laws violated a state constitutional amendment ensuring that competent adults have the right to make their own health care decisions.
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-wyoming-ruling-legal-a8396f0ed4a3229eed5e9fea575be63e

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https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:6h7b2i6ttw3l4t7pvbvxdith/bafkreiedjat4uwoqs7zlgujfc3sr2g4bn3s6duktkemvcnsxp x7cpsn3t4@jpeghttps://documents.courts.state.wy.us/Opinions/S-24-0326%20State%20v.%20Johnson%20Final.pdf

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Women got the franchise in Wyoming in 1869


One stipulation included in the bill was that women had to either be naturalized citizens or swear an oath that they were seeking citizenship.

https://wywf.org/wyoming-womens-legislative-history/

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(they might have been worried about the shortage of white women -- there were about ~9,000 would be citizens in 1869, ~20,000 by 1880)

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preventing telehealth prescriptions of mifepristone will affect the availability of abortion where it is legal

https://www.courthousenews.com/fifth-circuit-blocks-mailing-of-abortion-pill-nationwide/

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Mifepristone is proven safer than Viagra, but can't be sent through the mail

Guns however are fine


A nearly 100-year-old federal ban on mailing handguns through the U.S. Postal Service is unconstitutional and cannot be enforced, according to an opinion released Thursday by the Department of Justice (DOJ).


The 15-page opinion (https://www.justice.gov/olc/media/1423701/dl) concluded that a 1927 law (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1715), which made it illegal to use the Postal Service to mail concealable firearms, such as pistols and revolvers, infringes on the Second Amendment.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5691733-doj-opinion-handguns-usps/