SCOTUS Poised to Overturn Roe v Wade per leaked opinion

[SnakeBoy]

Our Constitution definitely doesn't guarantee the "right" to abortion. Definitely not!

I don't see what's so wrong with wrangling in the Feds overreach by giving the power back to the states. Isn't that how our country is supposed to work anyhow? :lol

Libs hate how our country is supposed to work. They want permanent one party rule from a centralized govt. They fantasize about it constantly on this forum.

[DMC]

You may not have heard, but lawyers and judges use this thing called “case law.” It’s this screwy thing judges do where they write out their legal analysis - it can be really lengthy and you have to read and understand a lot of it before you start to understand concepts like the canons of constitutional interpretation. So, like I said and you misquoted, your Merriam-Webster Definition is meaningless.

So there's no such thing as originalism.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm pro choice during the 1st trimester. We've been over this before. I think a woman should be able to kill her child for any reason during the first trimester. After that she should only be able to kill her child in rare exceptions.

It's not an issue that would affect my vote though.In practice, you would support such legislation in Texas.:tu

[koriwhat]

Libs hate how our country is supposed to work. They want permanent one party rule from a centralized govt. They fantasize about it constantly on this forum.

It's because they're all little authoritarian tyrants. They're literally the bullied wanting to play the bully. It'd be comical if it wasn't mainstream and in every institution.

[CosmicCowboy]

"Another Texas GOP lawmaker is attempting to make abortion punishable by the death penalty....

Similar bills filed in the Texas Legislature in previous years have failed......"

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/09/texas-legislature-abortion-criminalize-death-penalty/

You're an ignorant jackass, tbh

Those guys are idiots. Every group seems to have a few right or left. Kind of like you rating high on the idiot list in here. Its your role in life.

[SnakeBoy]

Props for actually being "brave" enough to discuss your actual opinion. SnackBoi isn't.


You waited 1 minute

:cry He didn't respond yet :cry

:lmao chump

[ChumpDumper]

You waited 1 minute

:cry He didn't respond yet :cry

:lmao chump

:lol why are you lying about time?

:lol amazing

[SnakeBoy]

:lol why are you lying about time?


How many minutes was it?

Be specific

[ChumpDumper]

How many minutes was it?

Be specificMore than one.

Why do you choose to lie about that?:lol

[SnakeBoy]

More than one.


Not brave enough to answer :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

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[SnakeBoy]

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[Nathan89]

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Same people that want conservatives to continously denounce shit to prove themselves can't denounce extremists as anything but "passionate people".

[pgardn]

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the belly I knew you, and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

You just broke the hypocrisy meter.
The one you can use braille to read.

[spurraider21]

Libs hate how our country is supposed to work. They want permanent one party rule from a centralized govt. They fantasize about it constantly on this forum.
imagine people of a political persuasion hoping that the party more closely aligning with them wins all the time

[vy65]

So there's no such thing as originalism.

This is the saddest display of trying to seem coy and intelligent at the same time.

Lemme know when you’re prepared to do more than ask inane questions and post dictionary.com shit.

[spurraider21]

Same people that want conservatives to continously denounce shit to prove themselves can't denounce extremists as anything but "passionate people".
good thing the daily wire news twitter account cuts off the part where psaki said the president would want the justices' privacy to be respected and for any protests to be peaceful

[vy65]

Same people that want conservatives to continously denounce shit to prove themselves can't denounce extremists as anything but "passionate people".

I can. Posting home addresses crosses a line and whoever did so should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[pgardn]

This is the saddest display of trying to seem coy and intelligent at the same time.

Lemme know when you’re prepared to do more than ask inane questions and post dictionary.com shit.

You explain originalism as it pertains to his question.
AND THEN, he attempts to portray you as saying there is no such thing as originalism.
Pulls this kind of shit all the time.

[vy65]

good thing the daily wire news twitter account cuts off the part where psaki said the president would want the justices' privacy to be respected and for any protests to be peaceful

Seriously?

[DMC]

This is the saddest display of trying to seem coy and intelligent at the same time.

Lemme know when you’re prepared to do more than ask inane questions and post dictionary.com shit.

When you're above the definition of words, you are above discussion. How can everything be the saddest this or that you twat? Sack up and accept the term you used.

[Blake]

When you're above the definition of words, you are above discussion. How can everything be the saddest this or that you twat? Sack up and accept the term you used.

Fortune cookie!

[DMC]

Fortune cookie!
I broke yours.

[vy65]

When you're above the definition of words, you are above discussion. How can everything be the saddest this or that you twat? Sack up and accept the term you used.

This is the dumbest fucking attempt at a zen koan. Definitions matter. Case law matters more. Knowing the difference is what separates people who have something intelligent to say and ankle biters parading as a faux online sage like yourself.

[DMC]

This is the dumbest fucking attempt at a zen koan. Definitions matter. Case law matters more. Knowing the difference is what separates people who have something intelligent to say and ankle biters parading as a faux online sage like yourself.

Everything is sad, everything is dumb, you don't agree with the dictionary. What's it like waking up knowing you're above everyone else?

Why would I be parading as a fake sage? Wouldn't I be instead parading as a sage, since you basically used a redundant statement.

[Blake]

I broke yours.

Is this more gay fantasy rape talk?

[DMC]

Does this ever happen to you? You open a dictionary only to find the definitions are wrong? Throw it away! Now for a limited time you can own this ego based word definer. "Hey, Bob missed work today!" "Did I really? Or did you just not really understand the meaning of the word 'work'"? "Hey, you must have that new ego based word definer, that's amazing!" Bob *huge smile*.

[vy65]

Everything is sad, everything is dumb, you don't agree with the dictionary. What's it like waking up knowing you're above everyone else?

Why would I be parading as a fake sage? Wouldn't I be instead parading as a sage, since you basically used a redundant statement.

When did I say I disagreed with the dictionary? I said there’s a lot more to the issue than your dictionary.com post. You folded in response and are ankle biting on inane irrelevancies. Try harder.

[DMC]

Is this more gay fantasy rape talk?

No, you just like to watch.

[vy65]

I’m sure DMC’s university of phoenix online degree renders him an expert on constitutional interpretation since it equipped him with the skills to post dictionary definitions devoid of context, meaning, or anything remotely worth saying.

We have ourselves the next Oliver Wendell Holmes!

[DMC]

When did I say I disagreed with the dictionary? I said there’s a lot more to the issue than your dictionary.com post. You folded in response and are ankle biting on inane irrelevancies. Try harder.

Of course, words mean nothing. You never said anything of the sort, since it depends on your definition of the word "disagreed". Saying "no, that's not it" and then saying "don't hide behind the definition of a word" when shown the definition you just said isn't it, is simply you trying to lend advice to the unwashed heathen.

[DMC]

I’m sure DMC’s university of phoenix online degree renders him an expert on constitutional interpretation since it equipped him with the skills to post dictionary definitions devoid of context, meaning, or anything remotely worth saying.

We have ourselves the next Oliver Wendell Holmes!
Now comes the narrating in front of the ST jury. Definitions don't have meaning, ladies and gentlemen. They never had meaning. Disregard anything the defense says that relies on the meaning of words.

[Blake]

Now comes the narrating in front of the ST jury.


DMC: "Does this mean this?"

Vy65: "No"

DMC: Shows definition that says "this means this"

Vy65 "don't hide behind the definition"

:lol lawyers

[SnakeBoy]

Does this ever happen to you? You open a dictionary only to find the definitions are wrong? Throw it away! Now for a limited time you can own this ego based word definer. "Hey, Bob missed work today!" "Did I really? Or did you just not really understand the meaning of the word 'work'"? "Hey, you must have that new ego based word definer, that's amazing!" Bob *huge smile*.

:lol

[SnakeBoy]

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[Ef-man]

I’m sure DMC’s university of phoenix online degree renders him an expert on constitutional interpretation since it equipped him with the skills to post dictionary definitions devoid of context, meaning, or anything remotely worth saying.

We have ourselves the next Oliver Wendell Holmes!

His dictionary definitely comes with several volumes of caveats and fortune cookie sayings.

[DMC]

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Yeah that's why she's not having sex.

[ElNono]

Libs hate how our country is supposed to work. They want permanent one party rule from a centralized govt. They fantasize about it constantly on this forum.

Said no one ever here. Even boutons.

[ElNono]

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Wouldn't surprise me if they get more sex than Nathan or Qhris, tbh...

[FrostKing]

America should have abortion access. Not every state. This nation is driving the bus for Left ideals and this one I defend rooted in my upgringing and teachings in 90's California. I feel this is classic BS issue argument the Republican Party gets suckered into.

[spurraider21]

I’m sure DMC’s university of phoenix online degree renders him an expert on constitutional interpretation since it equipped him with the skills to post dictionary definitions devoid of context, meaning, or anything remotely worth saying.

We have ourselves the next Oliver Wendell Holmes!
He has spurstalk libs derangement syndrome

[Ef-man]

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Did someone photoshop Chuncko’s hand on the lady with orange shirt that is holding the sign in the foreground?

Asking for the irony of a poster with fortune cookie sayings.

[SnakeBoy]

Wouldn't surprise me if they get more sex than Nathan or Qhris, tbh...


Did someone photoshop Chuncko’s hand on the lady with orange shirt that is holding the sign in the foreground?

Asking for the irony of a poster with fortune cookie sayings.

Fat chick threatening to withhold sex makes you two think of muh ST enemies :cry

Weird and sad

[ChumpDumper]

Not brave enough to answer :lmao

There's not a way to look it up.

:lol you have to lie

[spurraider21]

https://i.ibb.co/KFwzJjy/20220505-033903.jpg

Stats from the Florida Department of Health confirm that almost 99% of all abortions are done just for birth control.
Birth control is a great reason to get an abortion.

now find a chart that shows what percentage of abortions are done in the third trimester

[spurraider21]

Seriously?
Seriously what

[HemisfairArena]

Birth control is a great reason to get an abortion.

now find a chart that shows what percentage of abortions are done in the third trimester


So murder is a great reason to get an abortion?,,,,

[Proxy]

"The left"...

...posts tweet with 1 like.

Good summary of "the left", Nate

Lmao, seriously. Anyone that follows Andy Ngo is a lost cause

[Thread]

So murder is a great reason to get an abortion?,,,,

...it's convenientPERIOD

[RandomGuy]

oh, HELL no.

but ask RG and he will say all conservatives agree with this shit.

Nope. Just most of them, as we see here. Why do you keep lying about shit like this?

smh

The fundamental principles of modern conservatism are dishonesty, greed, and violence.

[Winehole23]

Said no one ever here. Even boutons.bad faith projection, as usual. what's happening with SCOTUS is minority rule authoritarianism par excellence. ditto extreme partisan gerrymandering.

[Thread]

bad faith projection, as usual. what's happening with SCOTUS is minority rule authoritarianism par excellence. ditto extreme partisan gerrymandering.

We never did these things until...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

Only you did these things, until...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

The decline in shotgun weddings is the bane of society.

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[Spurminator]

That's some galaxybrain correlation/causation shit

[Winehole23]

That's some galaxybrain correlation/causation shitI'm having a hard time seeing the connection to new business startups and businesses moving from state to state.

[boutons_deux]

The decline in shotgun weddings is the bane of society.

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Ross d is Catholic so full of papist doctrinaire BS. Legal abortion is the proven, single cause of his claims? ����

[ducks]

Folks who support the anti-Life position can’t seem to figure out how to use birth control. They think that a 21-year-old adult shouldn't be responsible for student loans that they took out, but expect us to pay off their loans. In addition, they think that a 13-year-old is responsible enough to vote and that 4-year old adults can change their gender during pre-school recess

[ducks]

when Trump told his supporters to peacefully make their voices heard, he was impeached and accused of inciting an insurrection. I guess someone needs to explain to me why this is different.

[spurraider21]

So murder is a great reason to get an abortion?,,,,
:lol i think you meant to say "so birth control is a great reason to murder?"

you dont even know how to substitute terms in an argument properly

[Thanos]

Folks who support the anti-Life position can’t seem to figure out how to use birth control. They think that a 21-year-old adult shouldn't be responsible for student loans that they took out, but expect us to pay off their loans. In addition, they think that a 13-year-old is responsible enough to vote and that 4-year old adults can change their gender during pre-school recess


when Trump told his supporters to peacefully make their voices heard, he was impeached and accused of inciting an insurrection. I guess someone needs to explain to me why this is different.
You should give credit to whoever you copypasta’d.

[Thread]

Folks who support the anti-Life position can’t seem to figure out how to use birth control. They think that a 21-year-old adult shouldn't be responsible for student loans that they took out, but expect us to pay off their loans. In addition, they think that a 13-year-old is responsible enough to vote and that 4-year old adults can change their gender during pre-school recess


when Trump told his supporters to peacefully make their voices heard, he was impeached and accused of inciting an insurrection. I guess someone needs to explain to me why this is different.


ducks!!!

[Spurminator]

:lol i think you meant to say "so birth control is a great reason to murder?"

you dont even know how to substitute terms in an argument properly

I don't know, you're leaving out the very real possibility that he thinks birth control is murder.

[leemajors]

Criminalize vasectomies and Viagra!

[Brazil]

You should give credit to whoever you copypasta’d.

:lol exactly my thought.. since when dat retard knows to write proper english ?

[Thread]

:lol exactly my thought.. since when dat retard knows to write proper english ?


Bra, being jealous.

[daboom1]

Bra, being jealous.


poor fella

[SnakeBoy]

We never did these things until...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

Only you did these things, until...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

Let us proceed...

Testify!!!

[SnakeBoy]

:lol i think you meant to say "so birth control is a great reason to murder?"


Maybe he meant murdering women is just birth control

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r9201973389550074400&th=1809abe76c196ae8&view=fimg&fur=ip&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ-GOZ0vDrmJZCdyjsESp4YCuAnpKbXDCBwc9GlnP5iV0pUUPtsQR 27FXyw_N3A6QRmai0UJIkrn82W5Eh7UH4WactUZwnljm0BiHt8 N5u3PWzBcIAiuFq2vFS8&disp=emb&realattid=ii_l2usxvtd0

why leave out racist Roberts?

[Nathan89]

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Inaccurate transcript.

They aren't proud of their barbaric position. If dems are smart they'll be sprinting to a first trimester position.

[Thanos]

poor fella
Why are you hiding from the Madison Cawthorn thread, Chris? Does it hit a little too close to home? :lol

[baseline bum]

Folks who support the anti-Life position can’t seem to figure out how to use birth control. They think that a 21-year-old adult shouldn't be responsible for student loans that they took out, but expect us to pay off their loans. In addition, they think that a 13-year-old is responsible enough to vote and that 4-year old adults can change their gender during pre-school recess

If a 13 year old is old enough to force to carry a baby they probably should be able to vote.

[ducks]

If a 13 year old is old enough to force to carry a baby they probably should be able to vote.

What about going to war and carrying a gun ?

[spurraider21]

Inaccurate transcript.
no shit. look who provided the "transcript"

[daboom1]

Why are you hiding from the Madison Cawthorn thread, Chris? Does it hit a little too close to home? :lol

I don't do troll accounts.

I don't do fake news threads.

Ciao!

[Blake]

I don't do troll accounts.

I don't do fake news threads.

Ciao!

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ElatedAnyEeve-size_restricted.gif

[boutons_deux]

States Are Already Moving to Punish People Over Abortions

Republicans say they don’t want to punish people who get abortions. Their bills say otherwise.

Anyone who mails abortion-inducing pills to someone in Tennessee could be slapped with a $50,000 charge or face up to 20 years in prison, under a Tennessee bill signed into law Thursday.

more than 60 people (https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3vjym/woman-in-texas-charged-for-miscarriage-abortion) have faced criminal consequences for self-managing their own abortion or helping someone else manage theirs.

An abortion restriction that advanced this week in Louisiana does explicitly aim

to penalize people who get abortions—by classifying abortion as homicide. In Louisiana, homicide is punishable with the death penalty.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wdg3/tennessee-abortion-pills-fine-prison-sentence

and 100s of women already in jail for miscarriages

[DMC]

I keep reading "women" and "mothers" and "my body, my choice".

Since when did a precursor aka birthing person have a choice?

[boutons_deux]

Schumer announces abortion rights vote,

'pro-choice' Collins immediately declares her opposition :lol dumb, ignorant, naïve Collins

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096115/-Schumer-announces-abortion-rights-vote-pro-choice-Collins-immediately-declares-her-opposition

[ChumpDumper]

I keep reading "women" and "mothers" and "my body, my choice".

Since when did a precursor aka birthing person have a choice?

DMC having trouble reading again.:lol

[spurraider21]

I don't do troll accounts.

I don't do fake news threads.

Ciao! Chris says he doesnt do troll accounts while posting from daboom1 :lmao

[boutons_deux]

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[boutons_deux]

Data could be a dangerous tool, advocates say

Concerns that data gathered from peoples’ interactions with their digital devices could potentially be used to

identify individuals seeking or performing abortions

have come into the spotlight with the news that pregnancy termination services could soon be severely restricted or banned in much of the United States.

Following the leak of a draft majority opinion indicating that the Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that established the federal right to abortion, privacy advocates are

raising alarms about the ways law enforcement officials or anti-abortion activists could make such identifications using data available on the open market, obtained from companies or extracted from devices.
“The dangers of unfettered access to Americans’ personal information have never been more obvious.

Researching birth control online, updating a period-tracking app or bringing a phone to the doctor’s office could be used to track and prosecute women across the U.S.,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said in a statement to The Hill.

Data from web searches, smartphone location pings and online purchases can all be easily obtained with little to no safeguards.

“Almost everything that you do … data can be captured about it and can be fed into a larger model that can help somebody or some entity infer whether or not you may be pregnant and whether or not you may be someone who’s planning to have an abortion or has had one,”

-- The Hill email

location data, from where you depart, where you go, where you return are for sale. Anonymity easily overcome

In Confederate/red states are planning to rule that abortion is murder, punishable by death to the mother.

[boutons_deux]

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[ducks]

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[Thanos]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8QrTd-XoAEOFgN?format=png&name=900x900

[koriwhat]

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LMAO the left can't meme!

And who gives a fuck what some privileged South African has to say about our politics anyhow? Fuck that bitch Trevor Noah.

[koriwhat]

...Incoming but but but Elon!....

[Winehole23]

The number one killer of pregnant women isn't pregnancy, it's men.

Men are so emotional., it's amazing they're allowed to be in charge of anything.


The researchers found that US women who are pregnant or were pregnant in the past 42 days (the post-partum period) die by homicide at more than twice the rate that they die of bleeding or placental disorders — the leading causes of what are usually classified as pregnancy-related deaths.



Also, becoming pregnant increases the risk of death by homicide: between the ages of 10 and 44 years, women who are pregnant or had their pregnancy end in the past year are killed at a rate 16% higher than are women who are not pregnant
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03392-8

[HemisfairArena]

Fuck no, this would be awful. If Roe v Wade is overturned the midterm will go from R+9 to like neutral or even D+1 or D+2. Forget about 54 seats in the senate, you'd be lucky to end up with 51 seats, and winning the House by a narrow margin instead of the anticipated 2010 style red wave margin.

You're essentially handing Biden a second trifecta. :pctoss

68% of American registered voters are NOT in support of Roe V. Wade being overturned, and that includes libertarian-right people such as myself, such as Rand Paul, etc. This is sickening and would absolutely be devastating to the GOP long-term, on much more important issues than this. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch need to vote against repealing RvW if Roberts and ACB aren't.



No shit, captain obvious.

Remember when I told you people vote with their pocketbook?,,,this is an excerpt from an article written today and a recent poll just conducted and published on liberal Yahoo,,,

For one thing, President Biden's job-approval rating — 40% approve vs. 52% disapprove in the new survey — remains low, and inflation (33%) is still a far more important issue for the general electorate than abortion (10%).

Here is the article,,,the liberal media is gonna try to push roe vs wade down everyones throat but at the end of the day,,,,money(or lack there of) talks,,,,

New poll reveals warning signs for GOP on abortion ahead of midterms (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-poll-reveals-warning-signs-for-gop-on-abortion-ahead-of-midterms-205241999.html)

[Isitjustme?]

Same people that want conservatives to continously denounce shit to prove themselves can't denounce extremists as anything but "passionate people".

Says the guy who posts takes summarizing "the left" that have 1 like and represent the craziest, most unhinged leftist views he can find :lmao

[Winehole23]

Two feeethinking, libertarian justices justified taking away women's right to bodily autonomy and access to medical care for supply chain reasons.

"domestic supply of infants for adoption"

[Millennial_Messiah]

Remember when I told you people vote with their pocketbook?,,,this is an excerpt from an article written today and a recent poll just conducted and published on liberal Yahoo,,,

For one thing, President Biden's job-approval rating — 40% approve vs. 52% disapprove in the new survey — remains low, and inflation (33%) is still a far more important issue for the general electorate than abortion (10%).

Here is the article,,,the liberal media is gonna try to push roe vs wade down everyones throat but at the end of the day,,,,money(or lack there of) talks,,,,

New poll reveals warning signs for GOP on abortion ahead of midterms (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-poll-reveals-warning-signs-for-gop-on-abortion-ahead-of-midterms-205241999.html)
that's higher than it has been. Quinnipiac, Rasmussen, Gallup, all the major reputable polls have had Biden consistently -15 or worse the last few months up until the abortion thing came up

the SCOTUS really needed to wait until like January 2025 if they wanted to actually overturn Roe v Wade.

Also Yahoo isn't necessarily liberal; their CEO who's been there 10 years now is white, blonde, and comes from a red part of a red state.

[DMC]

The number one killer of pregnant women isn't pregnancy, it's men.

Men are so emotional., it's amazing they're allowed to be in charge of anything.



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03392-8

You're a living testament to that.

[DMC]

Two feeethinking, libertarian justices justified taking away women's right to bodily autonomy and access to medical care for supply chain reasons.

"domestic supply of infants for adoption"

Same reason you campaign here for illegal immigration.

[CosmicCowboy]

The ruling brought up an interesting point. Where does bodily autonomy stop? Can the same logic be used for ingesting (now illegal) drugs?

[Winehole23]

The ruling brought up an interesting point. Where does bodily autonomy stop? Can the same logic be used for ingesting (now illegal) drugs?Not hypothetical, a lot of pregnant women have been prosecuted for drug use. That sort of intrusion will become way more common.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not hypothetical, a lot of pregnant women have been prosecuted for drug use. That sort of intrusion will become way more common.

I think you totally missed the point they were making.

[baseline bum]

I think you totally missed the point they were making.

Nah the point Alito was making was loud and clear that all stops will be pulled to satiate evangelicals' thirst for thrusting their religion onto everyone else.

[Winehole23]

I think you totally missed the point they were making.which is what?

[CosmicCowboy]

which is what?

I will say again I am pro choice. Im just having a conversation.

His point was if the 14th amendment gives one 100% autonomy on your body, how can the government say you or I can't do heroin? (As an example)

[SnakeBoy]

The ruling brought up an interesting point. Where does bodily autonomy stop? Can the same logic be used for ingesting (now illegal) drugs?

Since the fetus is not part of the woman's body (science) then I don't think there is any analogous topic.

[Winehole23]

I will say again I am pro choice. Im just having a conversation.

His point was if the 14th amendment gives one 100% autonomy on your body, how can the government say you or I can't do heroin? (As an example)why don't you make your own point instead if tiptoeing around it? just come out and say you don't believe women have a right of bodily autonomy or access to medical care that courts are bound to respect.

[CosmicCowboy]

why don't you make your own point instead if tiptoeing around it? just come out and say you don't believe women have a right of bodily autonomy or access to medical care that courts are bound to respect.

Why don't you just have a normal conversation instead of trying to score points and "win" like a bitch. I already said I am pro choice but it was an interesting argument.

[Winehole23]

Why don't you just have a normal conversation instead of trying to score points and "win" like a bitch. I already said I am pro choice but it was an interesting argument.what interests you there? again, you need to make your own point.

so much the worse for whatever you're hinting at if you can't.

[CosmicCowboy]

*sigh* you are fucking hopeless. Your bitterness prevents you from having a simple conversation. Instead, you just want to attack and argue. Sad, really.

[daboom1]

That's why I don't bother with Winetroll. A very dishonest and disengenuous person.

[Winehole23]

*sigh* you are fucking hopeless. Your bitterness prevents you from having a simple conversation. Instead, you just want to attack and argue. Sad, really.we are having a conversation, I keep asking you what you're talking about and you keep refusing to male your own point, whatever it is.

so much the worse for whatever you've been hinting at.

(shrigs)

[daboom1]

we are having a conversation, I keep asking you what you're talking about and you keep refusing to male your own point, whatever it is.

so much the worse for whatever you've been hinting at.

(shrigs)

[daboom1]

Male your own point!

(shrigs)

:lol

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1523065754081325056?t

[HemisfairArena]

I will say again I am pro choice. Im just having a conversation.

His point was if the 14th amendment gives one 100% autonomy on your body, how can the government say you or I can't do heroin? (As an example)

Wine ho is a joke,,,becareful though he will block you if you continue to make him look bad,,,,he cant even grasp the point you are trying to make,,,he'll use big words and think he can fool people into believing he is a smart man,,,,its all smoke and mirrors,,,

[DMC]

The left here needs to pigeonhole you, they cannot simply discuss anything without surveying to see which team you're still on and to tell you what your opinion is as a result. It's futile to think these people come here for conversation. They come here to proselytize and post their flyers.

[Blake]

*sigh* you are fucking hopeless. Your bitterness prevents you from having a simple conversation. Instead, you just want to attack and argue. Sad, really.


That's why I don't bother with Winetroll. A very dishonest and disengenuous person.


Wine ho is a joke,,,becareful though he will block you if you continue to make him look bad,,,,he cant even grasp the point you are trying to make,,,he'll use big words and think he can fool people into believing he is a smart man,,,,its all smoke and mirrors,,,


The left here needs to pigeonhole you, they cannot simply discuss anything without surveying to see which team you're still on and to tell you what your opinion is as a result. It's futile to think these people come here for conversation. They come here to proselytize and post their flyers.

Yeah it's clearly the left here that can't discuss anything, never come here for conversation and post their flyers.

[ChumpDumper]

The left here needs to pigeonhole you, they cannot simply discuss anything without surveying to see which team you're still on and to tell you what your opinion is as a result. It's futile to think these people come here for conversation. They come here to proselytize and post their flyers.

You never discuss anything. All you do is whine about your enemies list and the left.

[Nathan89]

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Barbarians.

[Nathan89]

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[DMC]

Yeah it's clearly the left here that can't discuss anything, never come here for conversation and post their flyers.

Clearly. WH23 nothing but flyers. Boutons, nothing but flyers. Ef_man, nothing but flyers. That makes up the bulk of the posts from the left (forum barnacle ignored so he doesn't count).

Let's not forget about RG, who never misses an opportunity to change your words in quotes to satisfy his narrative, because your actual comments are too difficult for him to unpack and address.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC is just a gossipy old lady.

[ElNono]

I will say again I am pro choice. Im just having a conversation.

His point was if the 14th amendment gives one 100% autonomy on your body, how can the government say you or I can't do heroin? (As an example)

The US government criminalizes the possession, selling, manufacturing and transportation of controlled substances, not their consumption.

Even in the case of DUI, the penalty is for being intoxicated while driving, not because you consumed.

[ElNono]

Other countries do penalize consumption (ie: India)

[ElNono]

Roe was analyzed and decided as a solomonic decision when you have two competing legal and valid rights, and while it can be argued it wasn't a perfect solution, it did give each party a period of time to exercise those rights. It happened with abortion, it could've happened (and has happened) with a number of other rights.

As much as he rambles about Roe and Casey not being based on solid law, his own opinion is not rooted in solid law either. Lots of things weren't "tradition" in the late 1700's. And some of those "traditions" from back then are now strictly illegal and still constitutional.

What he's trying to demolish was upheld by not one but two different SCOTUS, so you would think the bar here would be heightened, but apparently it isn't.

Anyways, not the final decision as far as we know, so I don't think it's worth spending that much time on it.

[ElNono]

Plus, it's only a matter of time somebody claims their religion allows abortions and their State is infringing on their religious rights...

[Nathan89]

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Are these people being slammed by CNN as hard as the high school kid that smirked at someone?

[Spurminator]

This is why Chris and Nathan are anti-abortion

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[CosmicCowboy]

The US government criminalizes the possession, selling, manufacturing and transportation of controlled substances, not their consumption.

Even in the case of DUI, the penalty is for being intoxicated while driving, not because you consumed.

Thanks for that. Its a good point.

[DMC]

Roe was analyzed and decided as a solomonic decision when you have two competing legal and valid rights, and while it can be argued it wasn't a perfect solution, it did give each party a period of time to exercise those rights. It happened with abortion, it could've happened (and has happened) with a number of other rights.

As much as he rambles about Roe and Casey not being based on solid law, his own opinion is not rooted in solid law either. Lots of things weren't "tradition" in the late 1700's. And some of those "traditions" from back then are now strictly illegal and still constitutional.

What he's trying to demolish was upheld by not one but two different SCOTUS, so you would think the bar here would be heightened, but apparently it isn't.

Anyways, not the final decision as far as we know, so I don't think it's worth spending that much time on it.

Perhaps, but the mob and much of the nation/world will feel that the pressure applied led to the favorable outcome.

The problem (imo) with RvW is that it pits two "good" intentions against one another - the good intention of preserving the sanctity of human life vs the good intention of preserving the freedom of human life. Eventually it seems we have to admit one or the other isn't that special, however in reality it's not about value. It's about choice. We might disagree with the choice but nature insists on it, and the abortion could happen with or without assistance.

[Ef-man]

WTF!?

https://twitter.com/DrGJackBrown/status/1522738724416630784

[DMC]

WTF!?

https://twitter.com/DrGJackBrown/status/1522738724416630784

https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/7033

[Spurminator]

Conservatives and liberals alike do IVF procedures where embryos are harvested and then discarded or abandoned for reasons ranging from genetic disorders to having a less desirable eye color.

We don't have funerals for miscarried fetuses. We don't treat them with any of this "sanctity of life" mush unless it's as an argument for why women should be required to carry them for 40 weeks as recourse for doing the dirty sinful deed of having sex.

[DMC]

Conservatives and liberals alike do IVF procedures where embryos are harvested and then discarded or abandoned for reasons ranging from genetic disorders to having a less desirable eye color.

We don't have funerals for miscarried fetuses. We don't treat them with any of this "sanctity of life" mush unless it's as an argument for why women should be required to carry them for 40 weeks as recourse for doing the dirty sinful deed of having sex.

It doesn't matter what "we" do. That's the point. It's not a community decision, but an individual one. The argument over the value of life is separate from the right to have dominion over your own body aka autonomy. Autonomy is a major reason we value our lives and by extension, the lives of others. A proponent for prolife could show ways we fight to save a fetus while a prochoice proponent could show ways we ignore the fetus to serve other needs.

Besides, I'm sure many women mourn miscarriages, despite the perceived social apathy.

[ChumpDumper]

Many criminalize miscarriages. What good intention does that promote?

[Spurminator]

It doesn't matter what "we" do. That's the point. It's not a community decision, but an individual one. The argument over the value of life is separate from the right to have dominion over your own body aka autonomy. Autonomy is a major reason we value our lives and by extension, the lives of others. A proponent for prolife could show ways we fight to save a fetus while a prochoice proponent could show ways we ignore the fetus to serve other needs.

It certainly illustrates a selective range of concern for the unborn. And it absolutely matters if we're going to codify when someone's right to life begins. We won't get to pick and choose which fetuses we give a shit about anymore.


Besides, I'm sure many women mourn miscarriages, despite the perceived social apathy.

Obviously. But rarely to the same degree they'd mourn a child who died after birth.

[DMC]

It certainly illustrates a selective range of concern for the unborn. And it absolutely matters if we're going to codify when someone's right to life begins. We won't get to pick and choose which fetuses we give a shit about anymore.



Obviously. But rarely to the same degree they'd mourn a child who died after birth.

Or at age 5 after a long battle with leukemia.

It's a mistake to try to codify the value of life. We should instead secure the right to life and the right to bodily autonomy, and leave value to religion. If someone doesn't want to abort, they shouldn't be required to. There are too many inconsistencies within the legal system regarding where life begins vs value of that life. An expecting mother can consume alcohol and drugs and damage the baby, and that's not illegal. The mother can even damage herself so much as to either kill the fetus or render it unviable. That's also her choice, because taking that away from her really only amounts to punishing her after the fact. So it's her choice whether anyone likes it or not. The discussion then should be about how she moves forward after making that choice, and what's the outcome. A bar will serve drinks to a pregnant woman, it's not illegal. They cannot serve drinks to a minor legally. So the law is already built with the notion that the unborn does not have individuality even if it could survive outside the womb.

I think it's a bigger philosophical discussion that needs to be had with the stakeholders, and the woman's autonomy should not hang in the balance waiting for a decision.

[leemajors]

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Barbarians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPBSt290dKk

[ChumpDumper]

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Barbarians.

That's an anti-abortion activist.

:lol Nathan

[Ef-man]

That's an anti-abortion activist.

:lol Nathan

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Pick a lane, Trumptards.

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[SnakeBoy]

Just a few more pages of discussion and ST will get this issued resolved

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I find it ironic that the American church both protestant and catholic is driving this and they are the worst when it comes to pedophelia.

[SnakeBoy]

I find it ironic that the American church both protestant and catholic is driving this and they are the worst when it comes to pedophelia.

I find it ironic that libs are protesting/disrupting Catholic masses in deep blue districts where Catholics vote overwhelmingly for Dems

[pgardn]

I find it ironic that libs are protesting/disrupting Catholic masses in deep blue districts where Catholics vote overwhelmingly for Dems

I find your arguments have the backing of tissue morality.

Step up to the plate and adopt a kid from a woman you and others have convinced to "save the life."

Im sure the majority of women who have abortions just love the idea of getting pregnant and getting it all cleared up. No guilt whatsoever.

[ElNono]

Perhaps, but the mob and much of the nation/world will feel that the pressure applied led to the favorable outcome.

The problem (imo) with RvW is that it pits two "good" intentions against one another - the good intention of preserving the sanctity of human life vs the good intention of preserving the freedom of human life. Eventually it seems we have to admit one or the other isn't that special, however in reality it's not about value. It's about choice. We might disagree with the choice but nature insists on it, and the abortion could happen with or without assistance.

Point taken, but this is where you have to look at this from a legal standpoint and not unquantifiable things like "feelings", "natural order", etc, and the law says not one legal right is above the other. This is in large part why this is a convoluted opinion: there's no addressing the fact that Roe was largely a compromise decision about two right colliding with each-other, and despite that it might not have been a perfect decision (Casey tweaked it some, but did not question the underlying rights), it did largely understood the problem and tried to address it. That's why this opinion is a bit 'short' in the law department.

[ElNono]

It doesn't matter what "we" do. That's the point. It's not a community decision, but an individual one. The argument over the value of life is separate from the right to have dominion over your own body aka autonomy. Autonomy is a major reason we value our lives and by extension, the lives of others. A proponent for prolife could show ways we fight to save a fetus while a prochoice proponent could show ways we ignore the fetus to serve other needs.

Besides, I'm sure many women mourn miscarriages, despite the perceived social apathy.

The autonomy angle is even more pronounced when the fetus itself can't live without the host, feeding from it, and potentially causing health problems for it.

This is why I mentioned a long time ago, that abortion was something that would solve itself once we had technology that could extract the fetus unharmed at any stage and we had the ability to either preserve it unharmed or finish gestation artificially.

The biggest problem is that doing research to get there would involve fetuses and the like, and then you have the same pitchfork crowd talking about abstract concepts like the "sanctity of life" sabotaging the same shit.

[Trainwreck2100]

Gdamn the mississippi governor was making the rounds on the sunday shows this morning, and he was talking about how his state's foster process is shit, but that's okay they'll fix it, like his dumbass don't get that once this shit overturned "babies wellfare" gonna be dropped like the support for afghanistan in the 90s

[ElNono]

Just a few more pages of discussion and ST will get this issued resolved

Do you have a take or just here to bask yourself in the glory of the alleged decision?

[pgardn]

The autonomy angle is even more pronounced when the fetus itself can't live without the host, feeding from it, and potentially causing health problems for it.

This is why I mentioned a long time ago, that abortion was something that would solve itself once we had technology that could extract the fetus unharmed at any stage and we had the ability to either preserve it unharmed or finish gestation artificially.

The biggest problem is that doing research to get there would involve fetuses and the like, and then you have the same pitchfork crowd talking about abstract concepts like the "sanctity of life" sabotaging the same shit.

Israel says they have got halfway with mice (11-12 days) in an artificial womb.
But the next step it the "hope" that this artificially developed organism can actual live outside the womb when "born" to the adult stage is a gigantic step imo.

[SnakeBoy]

Libs are good problem solvers

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[DMC]

The autonomy angle is even more pronounced when the fetus itself can't live without the host, feeding from it, and potentially causing health problems for it.

This is why I mentioned a long time ago, that abortion was something that would solve itself once we had technology that could extract the fetus unharmed at any stage and we had the ability to either preserve it unharmed or finish gestation artificially.

The biggest problem is that doing research to get there would involve fetuses and the like, and then you have the same pitchfork crowd talking about abstract concepts like the "sanctity of life" sabotaging the same shit.

Most women are basically baby factories. You simply cannot save every pregnancy and every zygote cannot become a self sustaining human being. The answer isn't to develop technology to artificially mother these zygotes. The answer is to prevent these pregnancies in the 1st place, however that could happen outside of impotency for the male or surgery for the female. Instead of ripping a fetus apart, the pregnancy could be thwarted by better medicines and these should be readily available.

[DMC]

Israel says they have got halfway with mice (11-12 days) in an artificial womb.
But the next step it the "hope" that this artificially developed organism can actual live outside the womb when "born" to the adult stage is a gigantic step imo.

Why? It isn't wanted. It's not like conception cannot also happen in vitro.

[SnakeBoy]

Do you have a take or just here to bask yourself in the glory of the alleged decision?

I already gave my take and if Roe is over turned I hope libs take to the streets of their blue districts and destroy shit. I hope they use the "this is what democracy looks like" chant while doing it...it's my favorite lib rioter slogan.

[SnakeBoy]

Do you have a take or just here to bask yourself in the glory of the alleged decision?

I already gave my take and if Roe is over turned I hope libs take to the streets of their blue districts and destroy shit. I hope they use the "this is what democracy looks like" chant while doing it...it's my favorite lib rioter slogan.

[ElNono]

Most women are basically baby factories. You simply cannot save every pregnancy and every zygote cannot become a self sustaining human being. The answer isn't to develop technology to artificially mother these zygotes. The answer is to prevent these pregnancies in the 1st place, however that could happen outside of impotency for the male or surgery for the female. Instead of ripping a fetus apart, the pregnancy could be thwarted by better medicines and these should be readily available.

I meant in the legal sense as it pertains to what was addressed in Roe. Roe was a compromise because fetuses cannot live outside the womb for a determinate amount of time, so the SCOTUS deemed that during that period the fetus was wholly dependent on the host/mother, and thus that person's right was to be infringed by the State's interest (the viability standard). But if that dependency isn't there anymore, then that solves that problem.

[ElNono]

I already gave my take and if Roe is over turned I hope libs take to the streets of their blue districts and destroy shit. I hope they use the "this is what democracy looks like" chant while doing it...it's my favorite lib rioter slogan.

I think MEDIC! was miles better, tbh

[baseline bum]

I already gave my take and if Roe is over turned I hope libs take to the streets of their blue districts and destroy shit. I hope they use the "this is what democracy looks like" chant while doing it...it's my favorite lib rioter slogan.

Would be better if LA rioters went and burned down Simi Valley instead tbh. They need leadership.

[Winehole23]

Plus, it's only a matter of time somebody claims their religion allows abortions and their State is infringing on their religious rights..."the Jews", tbh

[Winehole23]

Most women are basically baby factories. You simply cannot save every pregnancy and every zygote cannot become a self sustaining human being. The answer isn't to develop technology to artificially mother these zygotes. The answer is to prevent these pregnancies in the 1st place, however that could happen outside of impotency for the male or surgery for the female. Instead of ripping a fetus apart, the pregnancy could be thwarted by better medicines and these should be readily available.You're living in the "should be," not in the what is.

IRL, until these better treatments and procedures are developed, abortion is the appropriate medical treatment.

To take away women's bodily autonomy and access to appropriate medical care because the "should be" does not yet exist is monstrously perverse.

[Winehole23]

Also, your quip that women are basically baby factories is crass reductionism to one biological function. It's also a pathetic put down.

Guess you need women to spit on too, for some reason.

[Winehole23]

Say, do you still think the draft opinion is all about states rights?

Have you even read it yet?

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Libs are good problem solvers

1522658707699429376You'll believe literally anything.

[ChumpDumper]

Most women are basically baby factories. You simply cannot save every pregnancy and every zygote cannot become a self sustaining human being. The answer isn't to develop technology to artificially mother these zygotes. The answer is to prevent these pregnancies in the 1st place, however that could happen outside of impotency for the male or surgery for the female. Instead of ripping a fetus apart, the pregnancy could be thwarted by better medicines and these should be readily available.You don't spend any time with your wife anymore.

[ChumpDumper]

I already gave my takeYou're in favor of Roe.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSKkXudXwAcDJZh?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

Abortion is a social good, banning it does direct social harm.


With increased desperateness, the rate of illegal and unsafe abortions will start increasing, or people will be forced to have an unwanted pregnancy. Together, this will have immediate impacts on physical and mental health among Americans:


Mortality. Women will die. Each year, 7 million (https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/preventing-unsafe-abortion)women worldwide are admitted to hospitals for unsafe abortions. 4.7-13% (https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/preventing-unsafe-abortion) of those women typically die.

Morbidity. Women with illegal abortions are at higher risk for serious medical problems, including infections and damage to the genital tract and internal organs (due to inserting dangerous objects like sticks, knitting needles, broken glass).

Mental illness. Women denied an abortion have higher mental illnesses and lower well-being. A (http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2592320)JAMA (http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2592320) study (http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2592320) found women denied an abortion reported more anxiety, lower self-esteem, and lower life satisfaction compared to women who were able to get an abortion. No evidence shows that getting an abortion causes negative mental health or well-being outcomes.

Economic hardship. A study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5803812/)in American Journal of Public Health found that women denied an abortion experience an increase in household poverty lasting at least four years longer compared to women who received an abortion. Also, years after an abortion denial, women were more likely to not have enough money to cover basic living expenses like food, housing, and transportation. The National Bureau of Economic Research found (https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26662/w26662.pdf)denying an abortion lowered a woman’s credit score and increased a woman’s amount of debt.

Violence. Another study (https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-014-0144-z)found denying abortions kept women in contact with violent partners, putting themselves and their children at risk for physical and emotional harm.

Child outcomes. The Turnaway Study (https://www.ansirh.org/research/ongoing/turnaway-study) —at UCSF—found that when women have control over the timing of having children, the children benefit. Specifically they found (https://www.ansirh.org/sites/default/files/publications/files/turnawaystudyannotatedbibliography.pdf): “Children born later to women who are able to get an abortion experience more economic security and better maternal bonding than the children born because a woman was denied an abortion.”

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/banning-abortions-will-not-stop-abortions

[ducks]

Pro-choice group targeting churches has links to Revolutionary Communist Party

[ducks]

They need to do the same treatment as the 1/6 protestors - throw them in solitary and held for months without due process
Going to scotus house

[Winehole23]

Amen

Pearl clutchers over the tealight vigils at Kavanaugh's house were quiet as church mice when armed goons in several states harassed state election officials, not because they had done anything wrong or had deprived anyone of their rights, but simply because Trump lost the election.

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[Spurminator]

I don't find the act of protesting outside SCOTUS justices homes valuable, necessary or productive. Much like the "defund" crowds, they're actually counterproductive.

These people need to decide if it's more important for them to vent, or to win.

[spurraider21]

Obviously. But rarely to the same degree they'd mourn a child who died after birth.
yeah. my sister recently had a miscarriage during the 8th month, had to be induced to deliver what she knew what be a stillbirth. it was obviously brutal. but nowhere near what it would have been if he had died as a one week old. everyone's basically been past it after a few months. no shot they would have moved on this quick if it was post birth

[pgardn]

Why? It isn't wanted. It's not like conception cannot also happen in vitro.

Do you see "hope" in quotes dumbass?

[Winehole23]

I don't find the act of protesting outside SCOTUS justices homes valuable, necessary or productive. Much like the "defund" crowds, they're actually counterproductive.

These people need to decide if it's more important for them to vent, or to win.And how are they supposed to go about winning?

Even if it's ineffective, I think it's 100% ok for judges who take away people's rights to feel direct public animus over it.

[Winehole23]

(Aside, police didn't get defunded anywhere. It boggles that a bureaucracy so wasteful, so counterproductive and so incompetent at its core mission should not be subject to similar accountability as all others.)

[Spurminator]

And how are they supposed to go about winning?

By not looking like deranged children while supporting a popular cause and making some fence-sitters question if these are the people they want to vote with.


Even if it's ineffective, I think it's 100% ok for judges who take away people's rights to feel direct public animus over it.

To what end? Do you think Kavanaugh is going to have a change of heart? Do you think any of the 9 most powerful judges in the country will give a second thought to their legal opinion over the possibility that protestors will target them?

This achieves nothing positive.

[Spurminator]

(Aside, police didn't get defunded anywhere.

Exactly. What a fruitless effort behind a retarded catchphrase that probably lost a lot more votes than it gained.

[Winehole23]

By not looking like deranged children while supporting a popular cause and making some fence-sitters question if these are the people they want to vote with. Silly me, I thought voting for Dems last time was supposed to prevent this from happening. On the other side, looks like the deranged children are getting exactly what they want.

How many times will people have to vote for Dems -- and by what margin will they have to win -- before this radical, authoritarian bullshit can begin to be rolled back? Hard to see how acting and talking nicer is going to move the ball, either.




To what end? Do you think Kavanaugh is going to have a change of heart? Do you think any of the 9 most powerful judges in the country will give a second thought to their legal opinion over the possibility that protestors will target them?

This achieves nothing positive.It's a reminder that official acts of violence against the people aren't immune to similar. I think it's a healthy reminder in this case. Republicans are about to repeal equality under the law for half the country.

[Winehole23]

Spurminator: what would be a serious enough curtailment of rights and personal freedom, in your opinion, to justify angry public manifestations?

Not rhetorical.

[ElNono]

Btw, what would be a serious enough curtailment of freedom, in your opinion, to justify angry public manifestations?

Not rhetorical.

Banning of french fries?

[Ef-man]

You don't spend any time with your wife anymore.

Spartans thought their wives as baby factories too but they had boyfriends when they were out campaigning.

Having this view of women explains the twisted thinking behind many of Chuncko's comments.

[Spurminator]

Spurminator: what would be a serious enough curtailment of rights and personal freedom, in your opinion, to justify angry public manifestations?

Not rhetorical.

I'm not against angry public manifestations. I'm against rallying at a private residence when doing so doesn't achieve any positive end for your side. Again, you are arguing whether or not the demonstrations are righteous or justified. I'm not denying that. I'm saying it doesn't work.

[Spurminator]

Silly me, I thought voting for Dems last time was supposed to prevent this from happening. On the other side, looks like the deranged children are getting exactly what they want.

How many times will people have to vote for Dems -- and by what margin will they have to win -- before this radical, authoritarian bullshit can begin to be rolled back? Hard to see how acting and talking nicer is going to move the ball, either.

No one ever said we play by the same rules.


It's a reminder that official acts of violence against the people aren't immune to similar. I think it's a healthy reminder in this case. Republicans are about to repeal equality under the law for half the country.

Who's the reminder for?

Republicans love this stuff. It doesn't change anything.

[DMC]

You're living in the "should be," not in the what is.

IRL, until these better treatments and procedures are developed, abortion is the appropriate medical treatment.

To take away women's bodily autonomy and access to appropriate medical care because the "should be" does not yet exist is monstrously perverse.

Your narrative is showing again. I never said anything of the sort.

[Winehole23]

I'm not against angry public manifestations. I'm against rallying at a private residence when doing so doesn't achieve any positive end for your side. Again, you are arguing whether or not the demonstrations are righteous or justified. I'm not denying that. I'm saying it doesn't work.Since Dems are unwilling to use the power the voters gave them to nuke the filibuster or otherwise do good shit for them without prior permission from the GOP, what in your opinion would be an effective tactic?

[DMC]

Since Dems are unwilling to use the power the voters gave them to nuke the filibuster or otherwise do good shit for them without prior permission from the GOP, what in your opinion would be an effective tactic?

I'd say posting tweets and obscure stats on random, low traffic sports forums of teams that have been washed up for 5 years or more.

[Nathan89]

Have they arrested the people trying to intimidate the judges yet?

[Winehole23]

Have they arrested the people trying to intimidate the judges yet?why should they?

what laws have they broken?

[Winehole23]

I'd say posting tweets and obscure stats on random, low traffic sports forums of teams that have been washed up for 5 years or more.this is a bulletin board, only you would confuse posting here with political activism.

[Nathan89]

why should they?

what laws have they broken?

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[Spurminator]

Since Dems are unwilling to use the power the voters gave them to nuke the filibuster or otherwise do good shit for them without prior permission from the GOP, what in your opinion would be an effective tactic?

Better organized demonstrations that attract large crowds, build up voter registries, and don't disuade moderates from the cause.

Not wasting millions and millions of dollars on high profile races they have little chance of winning.

Making any attempt whatsoever to appeal to rural voters and turn 15% Democrat districts into 25% democrat which might help them win more statewide elections.

Complete leadership overhaul instead of continually settling for Pelosi and Schumer.

More time knocking on doors and less time spamming emails and texts for money.

Win more seats.

[Nathan89]

We need to treat all these people exactly how the system treated those on Jan 6.

[Nathan89]

Republican politicians are cowards. Meanwhile the system will do everything possible to destroy the lives of conservatives.

[Winehole23]

Better organized demonstrations that attract large crowds, build up voter registries, and don't disuade moderates from the cause.

Not wasting millions and millions of dollars on high profile races they have little chance of winning.

Making any attempt whatsoever to appeal to rural voters and turn 15% Democrat districts into 25% democrat which might help them win more statewide elections.

Complete leadership overhaul instead of continually settling for Pelosi and Schumer.

More time knocking on doors and less time spamming emails and texts for money.

Win more seats.All good stuff, but I don't see the DNC doing any of those things. I also doubt any of that would prevent the GOP from going full fascist in 2024, institutionalizing permanent minority rule.They're not going to rest content with criminalizing just women and trans folk. Hell, they've already banned talking about civil rights in several states.

Maybe the people need to scare the Dems into doing something for them, genteel parliamentary discourse essentially cedes the battlefield to the remorseless, principle-free, raw power focused GOP.

[Winehole23]

We need to treat all these people exactly how the system treated those on Jan 6.what laws were broken?

[Winehole23]

All good stuff, but I don't see the DNC doing any of those things. I also doubt any of that would prevent the GOP from going full fascist in 2024, institutionalizing permanent minority rule.They're not going to rest content with criminalizing just women and trans folk. Hell, they've already banned talking about civil rights in several states.

Maybe the people need to scare the Dems into doing something for them, genteel parliamentary discourse essentially cedes the battlefield to the remorseless, principle-free, raw power focused GOP.The GOP isn't bound by rules and norms whatsoever. Adhering to decorum and propriety against a scruple-free adversary tends to sacrifice the rights and privileges of the people to that adversary in the name of ethical loftiness.

Puny victory, that.

[Winehole23]

1523874278055284737Hey, you cited a law. Cool, go for it!

Good luck getting an indictment, y'all are gonna need it!

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[Nathan89]

Just lock them up for a year in the meantime while we wait.

[Nathan89]

Dumbass conservatives are going to think they can intimidate judges like the leftists. No, you'll get your life ruined.

[Winehole23]

Just lock them up for a year in the meantime while we wait.you're wishcasting. chanting and candles outside Kavanaugh's house is hardly equivalent to breaking into the US Capitol during a joint session of Congress to prevent the transfer of power, sacking the building and sending 50 LEs to the hospital.

[BD24]

Gathan is such a shit troll :lol

you need to reinvent yourself and find a new lane bro…this ain’t working for you tbh

[Winehole23]

Not sure how to check this math, but if at all accurate, this is a very tall order. The GOP sure didn't get there by playing by the rules, anyone remember the 2003 midstream reapportionment in Texas?

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Or the Hofeller REDMAP project?

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Or the Supreme Court decision declaring political gerrymanders halal?

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/585/16-1161/

[HemisfairArena]

Which laws have the mob broken with their "peaceful" protests?,,,how about disorderly conduct for starters?,,,trespassing if any of them stepped foot on private property,,,,harrassment would be another. Go up to someones desk and work and start shouting at them over and over again,,,,lets see if the cops dont haul you away,,,,

[Winehole23]

(Did someone step on a frog? I just heard a faint, flatulent sound.)

[Winehole23]

Women aren't going to get their rights back by asking the GOP nicely.

[Winehole23]

what snowflakes, we're talking about chalk on a sidewalk

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[Winehole23]

dp

[Winehole23]

The Union won the war but lost the peace. 1877 was the end of Reconstruction and the redemption of racist terror.

We had a brief respite from the legal regime of white supremacist patriarchy starting in the 1950s, but now revanchists in the GOP are dialing it back 160 years.

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[Winehole23]

Dems having a firmer stance against protests than rights being taken away tells you almost everything you need to know about them. Unanimous consent.

[Winehole23]

because we really care about life

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSUDgm8XwAACGHL?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSUDgm3WUAUEys4?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

does anyone recall what the number one killer of pregnant women is?

[Winehole23]

It's all about will to power, Republicans have no core beliefs other than that they should rule.

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[Winehole23]

Dems having a firmer stance against protests than rights being taken away tells you almost everything you need to know about them. Unanimous consent.Weird that totally nonviolent protests prompted immediate, bipartisan action to protect judges. Quite the contrast to when the US Congress was attacked to overturn a US election. Or to at home protests and death threats against election officials after Biden beat Trump. Or to at home protests and death threats against school board members thought to be sympathetic to so-called CRT.

[HemisfairArena]

Wine Ho still thinks they are non violent protests when articles are published daily saying otherwise,,,in fact I just posted one on here where these "peaceful" pro abortion protesters pelted LA cops with rocks and bottles,,,,tell me, Wine Ho,,,,what did the cops have to do with the supreme court decision to get treated like that?

[Winehole23]

^^^ https://files.voicy.network/public/Content/Clips/Images/e7024cf4-4e73-4969-a009-82314119c07d-small.jpeg

[HemisfairArena]

wine ho's response,,,,

https://www.bing.com/th/id/OGC.24c872ff517bb387018d0ed248bfb8cd?pid=1.7&rurl=http%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f-4PHvTe2-peo%2fUtXsryRky1I%2fAAAAAAAAFO0%2ffomKI5hscME%2fs1 600%2fZooey-Deschanel-Confused-On-How-To-Answer-That-Question.gif&ehk=erbF09SYSuy%2be4sqzJLLRGQQuM08ZCMJiNTrz9uQtx4% 3d

[ElNono]

(Did someone step on a frog? I just heard a faint, flatulent sound.)

:lol


^^^ https://files.voicy.network/public/Content/Clips/Images/e7024cf4-4e73-4969-a009-82314119c07d-small.jpeg

:lmao

[Spurminator]

All good stuff, but I don't see the DNC doing any of those things.

You don't see them doing ANY of it? They've done most of those things, with positive effect, at one point or another in the past ten years.


I also doubt any of that would prevent the GOP from going full fascist in 2024, institutionalizing permanent minority rule.They're not going to rest content with criminalizing just women and trans folk. Hell, they've already banned talking about civil rights in several states.

Maybe the people need to scare the Dems into doing something for them, genteel parliamentary discourse essentially cedes the battlefield to the remorseless, principle-free, raw power focused GOP.

Democrats will just distance from this and Republicans will use it to justify fascism. This is literally like shooting the ball into your own basket to keep the other team from scoring, for the sake of catharsis.

[Winehole23]

You don't see them doing ANY of it? They've done most of those things, with positive effect, at one point or another in the past ten years. Other than making an effort during the last cycle to drive turnout in red areas I have no idea what you mean. The DNC still burns up money in high profile, unwinnable races. Which "better organized, effective" marches are you referring to? The women's marches in 2017 and the racial justice/police brutality marches in 2020 resulted in no reform and a substantial pro-police backlash.




Democrats will just distance from this and Republicans will use it to justify fascism. This is literally like shooting the ball into your own basket to keep the other team from scoring, for the sake of catharsis.Democrats Don't have the stomach or the will to fight fascism, in other words. Or even to deliver concrete goodies to their own constituents.They'll play by Marquess of Queensbury rules while Republicans block everything, wreck democracy and demolish our freedom.

[Winehole23]

You do know that when the GOP steals the presidency in 2024, it will be legal, right? Red swing states have awarded their own legislatures the ability to overturn elections.It's a matter of when, not if. A captive judiciary will rubber stamp it too.

[Spurminator]

Other than making an effort during the last cycle to drive turnout in red areas I have no idea what you mean. The DNC still burns up money in high profile, unwinnable races. Which "better organized, effective" marches are you referring to? The women's marches in 2017 and the racial justice/police brutality marches in 2020 resulted in no reform and a substantial pro-police backlash.

That's a short sighted view of the women's marches. Overall their impact to public sentiment and (especially) voter registration was positive. Dems won a lot of seats back. Just not enough.

That the "defund" marches resulted in pro-police backlash is a perfect example of why these sorts of things are counterproductive. You recognize this.


Democrats Don't have the stomach or the will to fight fascism, in other words. Or even to deliver concrete goodies to their own constituents.They'll play by Marquess of Queensbury rules while Republicans block everything, wreck democracy and demolish our freedom.

You do know that when the GOP steals the presidency in 2024, it will be legal, right? Red swing states have awarded their own legislatures the ability to overturn elections.It's a matter of when, not if. A captive judiciary will rubber stamp it too.

Then do something productive instead of settling for cathartic pandering.

[Winehole23]

That's a short sighted view of the women's marches. Overall their impact to public sentiment and (especially) voter registration was positive. Dems won a lot of seats back. Just not enough.Can you quantify this, or is more or less an intuitive take? I doubt you can quantify the effect of "defund" either, tbh.


Then do something productive instead of settling for cathartic pandering.Like what?

I think standing up publicly against extremist Republicans and an off the rails judiciary is apropos pretty much regardless.

[Spurminator]

Can you quantify this, or is more or less an intuitive take? I doubt you can quantify the effect of "defund" either, tbh.

It's an educated opinion based on knowing political strategists/candidates and knowing the results of the 2018 elections. Look up the public sentiment around the defund marches. You already said they led to pro-police backlash and I agreed.


Like what?

I think standing up publicly against extremist Republicans and an off the rails judiciary is apropos pretty much regardless.

You keep going back to whether or not it's "appropriate" when I'm talking about whether or not it's effective.

[Winehole23]

You keep going back to whether or not it's "appropriate" when I'm talking about whether or not it's effective.I keep asking what would be more effective for people to do and you keep ducking. I think people standing up publicly in large numbers for what they believe in encourages others and influences politicians -- sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. I don't think it's possible to say in advance what will or won't work.

(Sometimes it's important to stand up for what's right even if it's not politically effective, or even counterproductive in the short term. Not sure why effectiveness should always be decisive. Morals and commitment should count for something.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSZ-idOUcAAz7On?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

Dems should have expelled members of Congress with a swiftness after J6. Anyone who supported overturning the election.

Big missed opportunity.

[Winehole23]

the line between abortion and miscarriage has been blurred, with fatal/fateful consequences for women and access to appropriate medical care


One Texas law (https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/872/billtext/pdf/SB00004F.pdf) passed last year lists several medications as abortion-inducing drugs and largely bars their use for abortion after the seventh week of pregnancy. But two of those drugs, misoprostol and mifepristone, are the only drugs recommended in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists guidelines for treating a patient after an early pregnancy loss.

The other miscarriage treatment is a procedure described as surgical uterine evacuation to remove the pregnancy tissue — the same approach as for an abortion.

"The challenge is that the treatment for an abortion and the treatment for a miscarriage are exactly the same," said Dr. Sarah Prager (https://obgyn.uw.edu/faculty/sarah-w-prager-md-mas), a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Washington in Seattle and an expert in early pregnancy loss.
Miscarriages occur in roughly 1 out of 10 pregnancies. Some people experience loss of pregnancy at home and don't require additional care, other than emotional support, said Dr. Tony Ogburn (https://uthealthrgv.org/providers/tony-ogburn/), who chairs the OB-GYN department at the University of Texas-Rio Grande Valley School of Medicine. But in other situations, he said, providers may need to intervene to stop bleeding and make sure no pregnancy tissue remains, as a guard against infection.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/10/1097734167/in-texas-abortion-laws-inhibit-care-for-miscarriages

[Winehole23]

tHeY dEfAcEd pUbLiC pRoPeRtY!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSZcL7tXwAEPQSq?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

Here's something folks can do that *does something*: contribute time and money to non-profits that provide assistance to women who need access to reproductive health resources.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-women-south-bracing-roes-fall-decades-rcna27097

[Winehole23]

Mississippi: Mississippi Reproductive Freedom Fund (https://msreprofreedomfund.org/), Access Reproductive Care-Southeast (https://arc-southeast.org/)
Mississippi has just one abortion clinic left, and 91 percent of women in the state live in counties with no provider. The state has a pre-Roe ban, a post-Roe trigger ban, and a six-week abortion ban that’s currently blocked from taking effect.

Texas: Fund Texas Choice (http://fundtexaschoice.org/), West Fund (http://www.westfund.org/), Texas Equal Access Fund (http://www.teafund.org/), Stigma Relief Fund (https://www.wholewomanshealthalliance.org/the-stigma-relief-fund/), Clinic Access Support Network (https://abortionfunds.org/fund/clinic-access-support-network/), Lilith Fund (http://www.lilithfund.org/), SYS (Support your Sistah) (https://www.theafiyacenter.org/), The Bridge Collective (http://thebridgecollective.org/), Jane’s Due Process (https://janesdueprocess.org/), Buckle Bunnies Fund (https://www.bucklebunnies.org/)
In 2021, Texas enacted a trigger ban (https://www.thecut.com/2021/10/texas-bans-abortion-at-6-weeks-sets-bounty-on-providers.html), intended to prohibit abortion in almost all situations, and a six-week ban which allows private individuals to sue abortion providers or helpers in Texas courts.

West Virginia: Women’s Health Center of West Virginia Choice Fund (https://secure.lglforms.com/form_engine/s/SZoCjtuFoOb1r-pEN87_eA), Holler Health Justice (https://www.hollerhealthjustice.org/)
West Virginia has just one abortion clinic, and 90 percent of women in the state live in counties with no provider. West Virginia never removed its pre-Roe ban from the books, but in 2018, passed an amendment to the state constitution barring protection for abortion rights.

Kentucky: Kentucky Health Justice Network (https://www.khjn.org/), A Fund, Inc. (http://kyafund.org/)
The Kentucky legislature effectively ended abortion services (https://www.thecut.com/2022/04/kentucky-abortion-funds-in-overdrive-after-extreme-new-ban.html) throughout the state in April, but already, 82 percent of women in the state lived in counties with no provider. In 2019, it enacted a trigger ban that would prohibit abortion if Roe were overturned.

Missouri: Missouri Abortion Fund (https://mofund.org/)
Missouri has just one abortion provider, and 78 percent of Missouri women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Missouri has a trigger ban intended to prohibit all abortion as well as an eight-week abortion ban that’s currently blocked from taking effect.

Arkansas: Arkansas Abortion Support Network (https://www.arabortionsupport.org/)
77 percent of Arkansas women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Arkansas passed a trigger ban intended to prohibit abortion in 2019.

South Dakota: South Dakota Access for Every Woman (http://sdaccess4everywoman.org/)
South Dakota has one open abortion provider, and 76 percent of South Dakota women live in counties with no abortion clinic. The state enacted a near-total trigger ban in 2005, which would go into effect as soon as states are allowed to ban abortion.

Louisiana: New Orleans Abortion Fund (https://www.neworleansabortionfund.org/)
72 percent of women live in counties with no access to an abortion provider. Among other restrictions, Louisiana has a trigger law banning abortion after Roe is reversed “in whole or in part.”

North Dakota: North Dakota Women in Need Abortion Access Fund (https://abortionfunds.org/fund/north-dakota-women-in-need-fund/)
North Dakota has one open abortion provider, and 72 percent of North Dakota women live in counties with no abortion clinic. It enacted a near-total trigger ban in 2007, which would take effect after the legislature approves a recommendation from the state attorney general clearing the maneuver as constitutional.

Wisconsin: Women’s Medical Fund (http://wmfwisconsin.org/)
70 percent of Wisconsin women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Wisconsin has an unenforced pre-Roe ban.

Indiana: All-Options Hoosier Abortion Fund (https://alloptionsprc.org/our-services/hoosier-abortion-fund/)
70 percent of Indiana women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Indiana has numerous restrictions that make abortion inaccessible and, per Guttmacher, “[pave] the way for a comprehensive ban.”

Idaho: Northwest Abortion Access Fund (http://nwaafund.org/)
67 percent of Idaho women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Idaho enacted a trigger ban in 2019 that would take effect 30 days after the Supreme Court overturns Roe.

Utah: Utah Abortion Fund (https://secure.actblue.com/donate/utabortionfund)
63 percent of Utah women live in counties with no abortion clinic. The state enacted a trigger ban in 2020, which would outlaw most abortions after the legislative general counsel certifies that a court ruling allows it to do so.

Alabama: Yellowhammer Fund (https://yellowhammerfund.org/), Access Reproductive Care-Southeast (https://arc-southeast.org/)
59 percent of Alabama women live in counties with no access to an abortion provider. In 2019, Alabama enacted a total ban on abortion — currently blocked from taking effect — that would criminalize providing abortion care.

Georgia: Access Reproductive Care-Southeast (http://www.arc-southeast.org/)
55 percent of Georgia women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Georgia enacted a six-week abortion ban that, once it becomes enforceable, would effectively prohibit all abortion.

Ohio: Preterm Access Fund (http://www.preterm.org/), Women Have Options - Ohio (https://www.womenhaveoptions.org/)
55 percent of Ohio women live in counties with no abortion clinic. In 2019, Ohio enacted a six-week ban on abortion that’s currently blocked from taking effect, but wouldn’t be if Roe fell.

Oklahoma: Roe Fund (http://www.roefund.org/)
53 percent of Oklahoma women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Oklahoma has two pre-Roe abortion bans on the books, and in April, passed a near-total ban that criminalizes abortion. It is slated to take effect in August, provided the Supreme Court overturns Roe.

Nebraska: Abortion Access Fund - Bellevue, NE (https://abortionaccessfund.org/donate/)
40 percent of Nebraska women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Nebraska has a ban on abortions after 20 weeks. The Guttmacher Institute (https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2021/10/26-states-are-certain-or-likely-ban-abortion-without-roe-heres-which-ones-and-why) deems it “likely to ban abortion as soon as possible without federal protections in place.”

Michigan: Fountain Street Church Choice Fund (https://www.fountainstreet.org/choicefund), Reclaim MI WIN Fund (http://www.reclaimproject.org/)
35 percent of Michigan women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Michigan has a pre-Roe abortion ban still in place. The current governor supports abortion rights but access in the state is incredibly restricted.

Arizona: Abortion Fund of Arizona (https://www.abortionfundofaz.org/), Tuscon Abortion Support Collective (https://www.abortionintucson.org/)
18 percent of women live in counties with no access to an abortion provider. Arizona has a pre-Roe abortion ban, as well as severe restrictions — including a 15-week ban signed into law in March — already in place.

Wyoming: Chelsea’s Fund (https://www.chelseasfund.org/)
96 percent of Wyoming women live in counties with no abortion clinic. In March, Wyoming passed a trigger ban that would outlaw abortion five days after the Supreme Court overturns Roe.

Tennessee: Abortion Care Tennessee (https://abortioncaretn.org/resources/), Access Reproductive Care-Southeast (https://arc-southeast.org/)
Not only does Tennessee’s constitution bar protection for abortion rights, but it also has a trigger law allowing the state to ban the procedure in most cases 30 days after the Supreme Court overrules Roe “in whole or in part.”

South Carolina: Carolina Abortion Fund (https://www.carolinaabortionfund.org/), Access Reproductive Care-Southeast (https://arc-southeast.org/)
In 2021, South Carolina’s governor signed a six-week ban into effect, which was subsequently blocked by the courts. In Roe’s absence, the law would make most abortions illegal throughout the state.

Iowa: Iowa Abortion Access Fund (https://www.iowaabortionaccessfund.org/)
Iowa has passed legislation banning abortion as early as six weeks, with only a few narrow exceptions. A court struck down that law after the state Supreme Court issued a ruling protecting abortion rights (https://www.iowapublicradio.org/health/2018-06-29/iowa-supreme-court-strikes-down-72-hour-abortion-waiting-period) in 2018, but Republican lawmakers are working (https://www.iowapublicradio.org/ipr-news/2021-11-30/heres-how-a-potential-roe-v-wade-reversal-could-affect-iowas-abortion-laws) to advance an amendment saying the state constitution does not allow those protections.

Florida: Florida Access Network (https://www.flaccessnetwork.org/), Access Reproductive Care-Southeast (https://arc-southeast.org/)
In 2022, Florida governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill (https://signed%20a%20bill/) into law banning abortion after 15 weeks, which does not make exceptions for cases of incest, rape, or human trafficking.

Montana: Susan Wickland Fund (https://nd-fund/)
Though Montana’s highest court recognized the right to “procreative autonomy” in its constitution, the state’s legislature still enacted abortion restrictions in 2021, though they are temporarily enjoined under the law.


Not protected (states in which abortion will remain without legal protection):

Virginia: Richmond Reproductive Freedom Project (http://www.rrfp.net/donate), Blue Ridge Abortion Fund (https://blueridgeabortionfund.org/donate/), DC Abortion Fund – VA (https://dcabortionfund.org/donate/), Stigma Relief Fund – VA (https://www.wholewomanshealthalliance.org/the-stigma-relief-fund/)
80 percent of Virginia women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Then-Governor Ralph Northam eased abortion restrictions (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/politics/virginia-abortion-protections/index.html) in 2020, but it remains uncodified in the state constitution. The current governor, Glenn Youngkin, identifies as “pro-life” and seems to support (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/05/03/virginia-youngkin-abortion-supreme-court/) further restrictions.

Pennsylvania: Women’s Medical Fund (http://www.womensmedicalfund.org/donate), Western Pennsylvania Fund for Choice (https://www.wpafundforchoice.org/)
48 percent of Pennsylvania women live in counties with no abortion clinic. Abortion access is extremely restricted. The state does not have a trigger ban but abortion would be without legal protection if Roe were overturned, leaving patients and providers vulnerable to criminalization.

New Mexico: New Mexico Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (http://nmrcrc.org/), West Fund NM (http://www.westfund.org/), Mariposa Fund (http://mariposafund.org/), Indigenous Women Rising (https://www.iwrising.org/)
In early 2021, the governor signed a law overturning (https://apnews.com/article/legislature-michelle-lujan-grisham-statutes-legislation-us-supreme-court-e233ebe60f2af544ca9d59287a634315) the state’s unenforced pre-Roe ban. Nonetheless, the constitution lacks explicit protections, even as it accepts clinic overflow from more hostile states like Texas.

New Hampshire: Reproductive Freedom Fund of New Hampshire (http://www.reprofundnh.com/)
30 percent of New Hampshire women live in counties with no abortion clinic.New Hampshire outlaws a safe second-trimester abortion procedure with no exception to protect a woman’s health.

Kansas: Kansas Abortion Fund (https://kansasabortionfund.org/)
In 2019, the Kansas Supreme Court ruled (https://www.kcur.org/2019-04-26/kansas-supreme-court-rules-state-constitution-protects-right-to-abortion) that the state constitution protects abortion rights — but this August, voters will weigh in on an amendment directly challenging that decision. If the amendment passes (https://www.kcur.org/news/2022-05-03/roe-v-wade-decision-will-mean-kansas-abortion-rights-hinge-on-a-state-vote-in-august) without Roe as a backdrop, a Republican supermajority will have the opportunity to pursue restrictions on par with Kansas’s conservative neighbors’.https://www.thecut.com/article/donate-abortion-fund-roe-v-wade-how-to-help.html

[Winehole23]

A heavily redacted police report (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21969058-22-032757_redacted) obtained by Pawprints confirms that Susan Collins, the senior Senator from Maine, is the complainant who summoned law enforcement to inspect a message written in chalk on the sidewalk outside her home.:lmao

[Winehole23]

But by all means, let's be civil to people who want women to die from ectopic pregnancies.

[Spurminator]

I keep asking what would be more effective for people to do and you keep ducking.

Bullshit. I gave you a list. Meanwhile you still have yet to show how protesting in a private neighborhood has any of your desired effects (besides making you feel better through righteous anger.)


I think people standing up publicly in large numbers for what they believe in encourages others and influences politicians -- sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. I don't think it's possible to say in advance what will or won't work.

I've already said several times that I support public demonstrations. We're talking about a very specific type.

Do you or do you not believe a Supreme Court justice can be coerced into a different decision by people rallying outside his house?


(Sometimes it's important to stand up for what's right even if it's not politically effective, or even counterproductive in the short term. Not sure why effectiveness should always be decisive. Morals and commitment should count for something.)


Cool, why not just throw bricks through his window then? It's just a window, and it's nothing compared to the loss of bodily autonomy. Who cares if Republicans use it to brand the pro-choice movement as terrorists and the cause loses public sympathy and support? It's all about our feelings, fuck winning.

[DMC]

Here's something folks can do that *does something*: contribute time and money to non-profits that provide assistance to women who need access to reproductive health resources.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-women-south-bracing-roes-fall-decades-rcna27097

Reproductive health resources, like what outside of abortions?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao DMC knows nothing about women

[Winehole23]

Bullshit. I gave you a list. Apart from a merely intuitive gain in good will and voter registration, pretty weak sauce, tbh


Meanwhile you still have yet to show how protesting in a private neighborhood has any of your desired effects (besides making you feel better through righteous anger.)Public manifestation against public officials is democracy. Is it messy? Sure. Ineffective? Often. But it is a very basic form of accountability. For better and for worse it's feedback politicians and society needs. I never claimed it was effective and to be honest, I don't think it's very important whether concrete gains result from it.

Per contra, whether or not it is legally tolerated is a bright line test of whether liberty exists




I've already said several times that I support public demonstrations. We're talking about a very specific type.

Do you or do you not believe a Supreme Court justice can be coerced into a different decision by people rallying outside his house? No, do you think that's what people are trying to do?

:lol




Cool, why not just throw bricks through his window then? It's just a window, and it's nothing compared to the loss of bodily autonomy. Who cares if Republicans use it to brand the pro-choice movement as terrorists and the cause loses public sympathy and support? It's all about our feelings, fuck winning.Nothing remotely like that has happened. You're losing it over tealight vigils.

[Winehole23]

God forbid judges who deprive people of rights should fear facing the public afterwards. That would be a real tragedy.

[spurraider21]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR3Rnhm8UPI

[daboom1]

Here's something folks can do that *does something*: contribute time and money to non-profits that provide assistance to women who need access to reproductive health resources.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-women-south-bracing-roes-fall-decades-rcna27097

How much did you contribute?

[daboom1]

God forbid judges who deprive people of rights should fear facing the public afterwards. That would be a real tragedy.

Mob rule replacing the rule of law seems far more tragic. Your indifference might be the scariest part.

[DMC]

How much did you contribute?

why are you getting personal?

[Trill Clinton]

will republicans finally stop trying to cut SNAP, WIC and Medicaid, etc since these women will need the extra help to care for a child they didn't want?

[DMC]

God forbid judges who deprive people of rights should fear facing the public afterwards. That would be a real tragedy.

Your real fear should be mob rules over law. The loudest mob gets their way, the mob most willing to inflict the most suffering upon the judges. Almost sounds like terrorism.

[DMC]

will republicans finally stop trying to cut SNAP, WIC and Medicaid, etc since these women will need the extra help to care for a child they didn't want?

Whatever happened to birth control? Where are the fathers?

[Trill Clinton]

Did a ghost quote me? I dont see shit tbh.

[Winehole23]

Reproductive health resources, like what outside of abortions?Contraception, emergency contraception, treatment for miscarriage and other pregnancy related medical conditions.

[SnakeBoy]

will republicans finally stop trying to cut SNAP, WIC and Medicaid, etc since these women will need the extra help to care for a child they didn't want?

I don't think the Republicans will want to take care of muh baby mommas

[Dirks_Finale]

will republicans finally stop trying to cut SNAP, WIC and Medicaid, etc since these women will need the extra help to care for a child they didn't want?

All the freebies will be there like always, regardless of the women's lack of personal responsibility...

[SpursforSix]

How much did you contribute?

I contributed by spooging on your mom's tummy.

[SpursforSix]

All the freebies will be there like always, regardless of the women's lack of personal responsibility...

So in general, I think it is a woman's right to choose to some point in pregnancy.

But I was listening to NPR and they were making the "right to choice" case.
The main guest was a woman who gave birth to seven kids because she couldn't afford and/or have access to an abortion.

I get making a mistake. Even a couple. But seven times? People need to be more responsible. And I get that this falls mostly on the woman to insist on that.

I'll say they didn't get into each separate child. It's possible she was raped seven times. Which is tragic.
On the other side, they never asked her if she regretted any of the children.

[Blake]

:lmao DMC knows nothing about women

And tells men to bend over to show dominance or whatever that was he said

[boutons_deux]

Contraception, emergency contraception, treatment for miscarriage and other pregnancy related medical conditions.

birth is much more dangerous, (esp for non-white, poor women who die a 3x the rate of white women), than abortion.

Overall, USA is perennial League Champion in the league of industrial countries for highest perinatal death rate of babies and women). For-profit Capitalist health care is racist.

About 25% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, which means the upcoming misogynist Vagina Police will treat/grill devastated, miscarrying women as perpetrators of abortion crime until proven otherwise.

[boutons_deux]

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