2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT

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Wouldn't be the first guy to flourish outside Pop's system.

Agree, but many times its because he's too stubborn to play them. Jock is pretty clearly an example of that.

[TekXX]

Pop vs. Klutch would be fun to watch.

[rankingtear]

Austin Reaves and Brook Lopez still in play...

[playblair]

do these players no longer visit teams before signing........free agents r supposed to be recruited.........

[slick'81]

BWright getting that check book ready

[CGD]

Austin Reaves and Brook Lopez still in play...

There is really no incentive to submit an offer sheet if you’re the spurs until right before the end of the moratorium.

[ace3g]

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Free agent F Joe Ingles has agreed on a two-year, $22 million contract with the Orlando Magic, his agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports (https://twitter.com/PrioritySports/) tells ESPN. An accomplished role player and presence for a young Magic roster.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah I think I would live to see the Spurs force the Lakers to spend a shitload of money.

[ace3g]

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Free agent Yuta Watanabe has agreed on a deal with the Phoenix Suns, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[Mugen]

Fuck it. Give Reaves 4yrs/110mil and make Jeanie start turning over couch cushions :lol

[BatManu20]

BREAKING: Fred VanVleet is believed to be leaning towards returning to Toronto, per ClutchPointsApp

[John B]

Brook Lopez will not be returning to the Bucks, per league sources.Spurs?

[td4mvp2k]

There is really no incentive to submit an offer sheet if you’re the spurs until right before the end of the moratorium.
agree at this point waiting till deadline for LA to match wont hurt the spurs.. F em

[RC_Drunkford]

nah man I want Van Vleet to go to Houston so our Toronto pick is in the lottery

[ace3g]

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Free agent guard Shake Milton has agreed to a deal with Minnesota, source tells ESPN.

[Mr. Body]

Fred Van Vleet rumored to have actually looked at the Houston Rockets roster.

[objective]

Damn, I liked Yuta!

[RC_Drunkford]

a bunch of guys who are getting paid

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[objective]

Ingles looked thoroughly washed

[slick'81]

Brook Lopez will not be returning to the Bucks, per league sources.Spurs?

[tonight...you]

a bunch of guys who are getting paid

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Derrick looks soooooooo much better wiping the hair and hiding the hairline.

[NASpurs]

a bunch of guys who are getting paid

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Derrick's forehead has receded to the back of his head.

[lefty20]

White got bullied by social media into shaving the dome :rollin

[timvp]

Ingles will be 36 at the start of the season and got a $22 million, two-year contract? How?

[baseline bum]

JFC on what planet is Jerami Grant worth $160 million? I feel bad for Scoot going to that garbage team.

[BatManu20]

a bunch of guys who are getting paid

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Guess that answers my question of if any former Spurs were attending Tre’s wedding.

In other news, Charles Barkley really bullied Derek White into shaving his head :lol

[Mugen]

Ingles will be 36 at the start of the season and got a $22 million, two-year contract? How?

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[playblair]

Ingles will be 36 at the start of the season and got a $22 million, two-year contract? How?
40 percent shooter is why he got that deal.........in this era of nba u dont have to be great at anything else besides shooting......

[spurraider21]

Brook Lopez will not be returning to the Bucks, per league sources.
where you getting this from?

[Davidicus]

Vincent contract feels like a steal for the Lakers

[RC_Drunkford]

Brook Lopez will not be returning to the Bucks, per league sources.Spurs?

you probably read that on a random guy's twitter and believe it

[lefty20]

Vincent contract feels like a steal for the Lakers

Apparently Riley lowballed him at 7.7 per over 3 years.

[Obstructed_View]

Sometimes we see a report and forget to vet it out of excitement. I know I've done it.

[BatManu20]

Vincent contract feels like a steal for the Lakers

IF he continues to shoot like he did in the playoffs then it definitely is. It’s weird cause he’s a career 34% 3-pt shooter and he shot 33% this season, slightly below league average. But in the playoffs, he caught fire and shot over 40% from 3. So just depends on which version they’re getting. He’s going to get a ton of open looks playing with LeBron and AD though, so if he stays hot, it’s definitely a steal. Fuck the lakers for a potentially annoyingly good signing tbh. Hopefully he reverts back to his old self.

[Degoat]

Seems to be a stop in movement, been no further updates in awhile

[JPB]

Must be a "non punch clause"in Draymond's 4/100M new contract with GS.

[CGD]

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Free agent F Joe Ingles has agreed on a two-year, $22 million contract with the Orlando Magic, his agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports (https://twitter.com/PrioritySports/) tells ESPN. An accomplished role player and presence for a young Magic roster.

Woah, really? That last year has to be a partial
Guarantee right??

[TekXX]

Teams are waiting on Brooke Lopez

[JPB]

Teams are waiting on Brooke Lopez

clearly the big fish remaining out there.

[Mr. Body]

Teams are waiting on Brooke Lopez

For what, his lunch order?

[tmtcsc]

where you getting this from?


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[CGD]

Teams are waiting on Brooke Lopez

Belle of the ball as it were

[Mr. Body]

40 percent shooter is why he got that deal.........in this era of nba u dont have to be great at anything else besides shooting......

Ingles is a good basketball player. It's these other guys, the Struses and Vincents, those guys only shoot. The next Duncan Robinsons.

[ace3g]

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ESPN Reporting with @_Andrew_Lopez (https://twitter.com/_Andrew_Lopez/): Free agent F Herb Jones has agreed on a new four-year, $54M deal to stay with the New Orleans Pelicans, his agents Mark Bartelstein and Kieran Piller of @PrioritySports (https://twitter.com/PrioritySports/) tell ESPN. Jones declined his option to sign a long-term deal with Pels.

[CGD]

Seems to be a stop in movement, been no further updates in awhile

Yeah— whose even left if this turdtastic FA class? FVV, Lopez, and Reeves (who the Lakers seem to have scared off)?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Waiting for the DiVincenzo deal. He makes perfect sense for the Spurs.

[JPB]

Irving staying in Dallas may be the best piece of news of the day.

[Degoat]

Jalen Mcdaniels, Grant Williams, Seth Curry, Plumlee, Bryant still out there

[CGD]

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ESPN Reporting with @_Andrew_Lopez (https://twitter.com/_Andrew_Lopez/): Free agent F Herb Jones has agreed on a new four-year, $54M deal to stay with the New Orleans Pelicans, his agents Mark Bartelstein and Kieran Piller of @PrioritySports (https://twitter.com/PrioritySports/) tell ESPN. Jones declined his option to sign a long-term deal with Pels.

Man, this leads me to believe they’ll dump Jonás now. They have lots of money on the books.

[mo7888]

I'm also curious as to whats happening with D'Angelo Russell and when Houston is going to blow their wad..

[playblair]

Ingles is a good basketball player. It's these other guys, the Struses and Vincents, those guys only shoot. The next Duncan Robinsons.
.those type of players are going to start plaguing the league soon......

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Being told San Antonio is a team to monitor in the developing three-team sign-and-trade talks that could bring Max Strus to Cleveland. The Cavaliers have been trying to find a trade for Cedi Osman this week, sources said.

[CGD]

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Being told San Antonio is a team to monitor in the developing three-team sign-and-trade talks that could bring Max Strus to Cleveland. The Cavaliers have been trying to find a trade for Cedi Osman this week, sources said.




I like it

[RC_Drunkford]

so have the Lakers yet made the 4-year 52 million offer for Reaves? Cause reports said they would do it the first minute into free agency, but up to now crickets

[TekXX]

Would Reeves even sign 4/52 million? I know that's all Lakers can give him unless another team offers a deal.

[Kurik]

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Being told San Antonio is a team to monitor in the developing three-team sign-and-trade talks that could bring Max Strus to Cleveland. The Cavaliers have been trying to find a trade for Cedi Osman this week, sources said.




:corn::corn::corn:

[ace3g]

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Free agent Josh Richardson has agreed on a two-year deal with the Miami Heat, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Richardson returns to the franchise that drafted him in 2015.

[Mr. Body]

Josh Richardson back to Miami. There goes the dream.

[Joseph Kony]

Damn, was lowkey kinda hoping Jrich would come back tbh

[slick'81]

No loss on j-rich

[timvp]

Osman is pretty damn meh but he's good value. He'll only make $6.7 million this season -- so, yeah, bring him on for that price.

[Joseph Kony]

it's funny seeing Suns fans talk up KBD and Eubanks signings :lol

[timtonymanu]

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Being told San Antonio is a team to monitor in the developing three-team sign-and-trade talks that could bring Max Strus to Cleveland. The Cavaliers have been trying to find a trade for Cedi Osman this week, sources said.




Wonder if that means they’re getting Cedi

[timtonymanu]

it's funny seeing Suns fans talk up KBD and Eubanks signings :lol

What else do you expect from a loser franchise? :lol

[slick'81]

Spurs gotta find somebody to eat some salary

[RC_Drunkford]

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Being told San Antonio is a team to monitor in the developing three-team sign-and-trade talks that could bring Max Strus to Cleveland. The Cavaliers have been trying to find a trade for Cedi Osman this week, sources said.




might be the reason why Mamu wasn't signed. Cedi as a combo forward replacing him would make sense. Also J-Rich is not a good PG, he's a shooter. Never really made sense to bring him back

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They will work hard and show up.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't mind Cedi Osman for that price. Inexpensive, 6'7", another potential future trade piece.

[CGD]

it's funny seeing Suns fans talk up KBD and Eubanks signings :lol

Don’t forget Metu!

[RC_Drunkford]

Barry Jackson: Max Strus/Cavaliers/Heat talks have involved a third unidentified team that should result in Heat getting at least modest asset or two, should it come together (https://hoopshype.com/social/).
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ok now why would we send out a 2nd round pick to take on a contract that the Heat don't want? Shouldn't we receive one?

[Ocotillo]

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[Obstructed_View]

BTW, I'm convinced that Kendrick Perkins is top three worst sports analysts all-time. I simply can't tolerate this ESPN NBA show much longer.

[jjspur]

it's funny seeing Suns fans talk up KBD and Eubanks signings :lol

Both are close to minimum type guys. Thats all Phoenix can afford these days.

[CGD]

ok now why would we send out a 2nd round pick to take on a contract that the Heat don't want? Shouldn't we receive one?

I think they mean the asset is from Cavs to Miami. PLUS the Cavs would take care of dumping the matching salary on a third team (us) presumably also with a small asset.

Or we send a SRP to Heat and get an “upgraded” one (or two) from CAvs

[R. DeMurre]

Man, Miami loses their starting back court on Day 1 of free agency.

[timvp]

Osman has always had hugely negative advanced stats but it looks like the numbers swung positive last year. League average TS% and eFG% the last couple seasons. Decent size. Decent enough three-point volume. 28 years old.

Eh, yeah, $6.7 million would be fine. If the Spurs see him as possible long-term fit, giving up a second rounder for him wouldn't be the end of the world.

[Mr. Body]

Osman has always had hugely negative advanced stats but it looks like the numbers swung positive last year. League average TS% and eFG% the last couple seasons. Decent size. Decent enough three-point volume. 28 years old.

Eh, yeah, $6.7 million would be fine. If the Spurs see him as possible long-term fit, giving up a second rounder for him wouldn't be the end of the world.

They're getting in to let the other teams make the move work. Do they really have to give up anything?

[Chinook]

Would prefer Mamu to Cedi.

[BackHome]

BTW, I'm convinced that Kendrick Perkins is top three worst sports analysts all-time. I simply can't tolerate this ESPN NBA show much longer.

ESPN just fired a shit load of so called A - listers - So happy Woke Max Kellerman, and Jalen Rose - Sad though to see Jeff Van Gundy, and Keyshawn Johnson also on the death list.

[playblair]

BTW, I'm convinced that Kendrick Perkins is top three worst sports analysts all-time. I simply can't tolerate this ESPN NBA show much longer.
u will be getting more perkins & u will luv it..........
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[Teamduncan21]

Man, Miami loses their starting back court on Day 1 of free agency.

They get Josh Richardson as a replacement.

[ace3g]

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RFA Rui Hachimura has agreed to a three-year, $51 million deal to return to the Lakers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[CGD]

ESPN just fired a shit load of so called A - listers - So happy Woke Max Kellerman, and Jalen Rose - Sad though to see Jeff Van Gundy, and Keyshawn Johnson also on the death list.

What happened? Cost cutting?

[Obstructed_View]

ESPN just fired a shit load of so called A - listers - So happy Woke Max Kellerman, and Jalen Rose - Sad though to see Jeff Van Gundy, and Keyshawn Johnson also on the death list.
Didn't know about that. JVG should already be signing his TNT contract. Kendrick is a fuckin embarrassment.

[RC_Drunkford]

BTW, I'm convinced that Kendrick Perkins is top three worst sports analysts all-time. I simply can't tolerate this ESPN NBA show much longer.

he‘s even worse of an analyst than he was as an NBA player

[ace3g]

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Free agent Cam Reddish has agreed to a two-year deal with the Lakers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[kobyz]

Osman has always had hugely negative advanced stats but it looks like the numbers swung positive last year. League average TS% and eFG% the last couple seasons. Decent size. Decent enough three-point volume. 28 years old.

Eh, yeah, $6.7 million would be fine. If the Spurs see him as possible long-term fit, giving up a second rounder for him wouldn't be the end of the world.

better give the minutes to Sidy Cissoko(similar archetype as player actually), keep the second rounder for sothing better...

[Mr. Body]

Lol, 'Woke' Max Kelleman. What the fuck does that even mean?

[mo7888]

Im wondering in the Cedi deal isn't going to expand to something bigger (no idea what)? I just dont see the roster spot even being worth a 2nd right now.

Also, with Vincent to LA and AR, DR, and Schroeder still out there you have to wonder if they'll really still match or just go with DR and Schroeder? Or if a small asset and TE would convince them to S&T him?

[timvp]

They're getting in to let the other teams make the move work. Do they really have to give up anything?

It's a close call. My guess would be that the Spurs wouldn't have to give anything up -- but I can't imagine the Cavs give the Spurs a second round pick to absorb Osman's $6.7 million. In a scenario where the Spurs give up a second round pick for Osman, I'd be okay with that, though.

[playblair]

What happened? Cost cutting?
espn cut salaries to pay for pat mcaffe & stephen a new contracts..........espn offered pat 90 million for his show........

[cd98]

ESPN is just looking for more Skip Bayless types. They want someone that pisses off fans so they’ll tune in. Guys like Jalen Rose are too fair and reasonable. And Van Gundy made some of the playoffs watchable. But he’ll get someone to hire him.

[slick'81]

Im wondering in the Cedi deal isn't going to expand to something bigger (no idea what)? I just dont see the roster spot even being worth a 2nd right now.

Also, with Vincent to LA and AR, DR, and Schroeder still out there you have to wonder if they'll really still match or just go with DR and Schroeder? Or if a small asset and TE would convince them to S&T him?

wont know until spurs shoot their shot

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Free agent forward Julian Champagnie is finalizing a new deal with the San Antonio Spurs, sources tell ESPN.

[spurraider21]

not a fan of taking on Cedi unless someone pays us to do so

[cd98]

Lakers roster up to 50 players?

[Obstructed_View]

he‘s even worse of an analyst than he was as an NBA player
Yeah he never shut up as a player and he didn't have anything useful to say. Nothing has changed. :lol

[r0drig0lac]

julian who?

[TekXX]

So why are we helping the cavs/heat? Are we high on Cedi or is it for salary?

[rjv]

Lol, 'Woke' Max Kelleman. What the fuck does that even mean?

that’s what I thought. Wtf with the “woke” take on Max?

[slick'81]

Pop the champagnie

[ace3g]

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Free agent G Fred VanVleet has agreed on a three-year, $130 million contract with the Houston Rockets, @KlutchSports (https://twitter.com/KlutchSports/) CEO Rich Paul and agent Erika Ruiz tell ESPN. Rockets land ex-Raptors All-Star in his prime at 29 years old.

[TekXX]

Van Fleet to rockets

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Free agent forward Julian Champagnie is finalizing a new deal with the San Antonio Spurs, sources tell ESPN.




Nice

[Chinook]

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Free agent forward Julian Champagnie is finalizing a new deal with the San Antonio Spurs, sources tell ESPN.




Spurs look to have another two-way spot open now.

[r0drig0lac]

Rox going all win

[Joseph Kony]

43 million a season for FVV :lmao jesus christ

[slick'81]

Nice



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Free agent G Fred VanVleet has agreed on a three-year, $130 million contract with the Houston Rockets, @KlutchSports (https://twitter.com/KlutchSports/) CEO Rich Paul and agent Erika Ruiz tell ESPN. Rockets land ex-Raptors All-Star in his prime at 29 years old.


good for that tor pick?!

[Obstructed_View]

Lmao Rockettes.

[mo7888]

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Free agent G Fred VanVleet has agreed on a three-year, $130 million contract with the Houston Rockets, @KlutchSports (https://twitter.com/KlutchSports/) CEO Rich Paul and agent Erika Ruiz tell ESPN. Rockets land ex-Raptors All-Star in his prime at 29 years old.

Lololol Yes!

[kobyz]

Jon Krawczynski: And it’s done: Nickeil Alexander-Walker has agreed to terms on a two-year deal with the Timberwolves, league sources tell @TheAthletic .
Source: Twitter jonKrawczynski

[timvp]

VanVleet :wow

OMG, that's a lot of money for him.

Sprockets gonna Sprock :lol

[Mr. Body]

Cam Reddish signed multiple years for the Lakers.

That guy fucking sucked at Duke. He sucked at Atlanta. He sucked at New York. He sucked at Portland.

But he's a Klutch Klient. LaBron will get his kind.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yessss. Rockets :lmao

no cap space in the 2025 free agency. Stuck in mediocrity. And the Raptors got worse. All going as planned

[spurraider21]

I'm also curious as to whats happening with D'Angelo Russell and when Houston is going to blow their wad..
lakers will re-sign russell. reports were that theyre expectin something like 2/40

[BackHome]

Man Houston keeps doing Houston....

[slick'81]

Hou literally throwing money away

[scott]

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They must really like Julian. This is way more than I would have expected.

[mo7888]

How much do the Sprockets (I like that name timvp) have left to squander?

[itzsoweezee]

Rockets LOL

[couchman]

Raptors pick now has a chance to be in the lottery. Would be amazing to get it between 7-10

[spurraider21]

like the Champagnie deal. really hope the Osman shit doesnt happen though

[scott]

With the Lakers signing all these dudes and potentially resigning DLo, do they even have room to match Reeves?

LOL Rockets.

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They must really like Julian. This is way more than I would have expected.
You expressed concern about the Spurs overpaying players. That risk is mitigated if they slightly overpay young kids that the rest of the team likes.

[slick'81]

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They must really like Julian. This is way more than I would have expected.

that shooting touch down the stretch netted him 3mil per

[Mr. Body]

How many of Houston's overpaid young misfits will still be with the team by the time FVV's huge contract comes to an end?

[slick'81]

With the Lakers signing all these dudes and potentially resigning DLo, do they even have room to match Reeves?

LOL Rockets.

they can definitely match reaves

[td4mvp2k]

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They must really like Julian. This is way more than I would have expected.
watching him in college the guy was a bucket getter

[couchman]

I love the Champegnie deal. If he continues to shoot well it is a steal. If he drops off it is super cheap and we get out after 3 yrs

[BackHome]

Yeah, I think it is actually a pretty good deal for the Spurs

[RC_Drunkford]

That‘s a great deal. I like that the Spurs are locking up guys like him and Bassey on 4-year deals. If they develop into something bigger those contracts are hell of a bargain and you‘ll need those role players on small contracts once the cap gets tight. Just look at who the Suns signed

[scott]

You expressed concern about the Spurs overpaying players. That risk is mitigated if they slightly overpay young kids that the rest of the team likes.

I think you are confusing me with someone else, no biggie - but I don't think I've ever expressed to much concern about overpaying players. I kind of expect us to.

I don't mind the contract, just surprised by the length (the $ are irrelevant - $2.5MM or $3MM, who cares)

[kobyz]

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[BacktoBasics]

ESPN just fired a shit load of so called A - listers - So happy Woke Max Kellerman, and Jalen Rose - Sad though to see Jeff Van Gundy, and Keyshawn Johnson also on the death list.

Stop injecting you dumb fucking bullshit here. Just stfu about your political crap you fucking incel.

[Extra Stout]

How much do the Sprockets (I like that name timvp) have left to squander?
About $24 million. Supposedly they had a 2/$40 offer to Brook Lopez that has been sweetened with the extra room. Maybe to $50.

[scott]

Weren't the Spurs interested in Cedi Osman previously? I thought I remember reports they had their eyes on him a few years ago.

[GAustex]

Stop injecting you dumb fucking bullshit here. Just stfu about your political crap you fucking incel.
Tough couple of days it’s been

[scott]

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Still plenty of room to make a splash if they wanted (narrator: they didn't want to)

[Obstructed_View]

I think you are confusing me with someone else, no biggie - but I don't think I've ever expressed to much concern about overpaying players. I kind of expect us to.

I don't mind the contract, just surprised by the length (the $ are irrelevant - $2.5MM or $3MM, who cares)
Maybe I did. Sorry about that. Someone worried that paying Tre too much money could generate tension with the other players.
Definitely surprised at the length, but even if they had to cut him, its less dead money than Primo.

[BacktoBasics]

Tough couple of days it’s been

If you’re not one in the same you’re just as bad as he is. People don’t want to hear your shit but you people cannot control the diarrhea coming from your mouth. Cult life. You’re addicted.

[TekXX]

Are we still tanking, i assumed we would try to win?

[scott]

Maybe I did. Sorry about that. Someone worried that paying Tre too much money could generate tension with the other players.
Definitely surprised at the length, but even if they had to cut him, its less dead money than Primo.

I'd assume his teammates will be happy for him. It seems like Tre is really well liked (Derrick, Dev and Eubanks are at his wedding apparently) so they'll all be psyched for him.

Great point about the dead money. And with year 4 being a team option, the risk is low. I like Julian, so I like this move. The Bassey/Champangie moves are the fun little ones that can really pay off big if they develop into solid role players.

[Mr. Body]

Are we still tanking, i assumed we would try to win?

??

[stephen jackson]

Thank god we got wemby cuz we’d be fucked forever with this mediocre shit

[TekXX]

??

We're running it back with the team Wright built to lose games, Wemby probably adds maybe 10 wins or so, so i guess we'll be high lottery.

[Degoat]

So with Tre and Julian back on board anybody know how much space we have?

[BacktoBasics]

??

Wemby strikes me as the kind of talent, prospect and cornerstone that wants no part of tanking. Spurs will clearly see that.

Additionally there aren’t pressing needs for a transcending number 1 pick that we should tank for and we have enough draft capital that we could buy up into a draft if we absolutely had to have someone we highly coveted.

I don’t see any reason to tank.

[slick'81]

Spurs going bargain basement shopping early and thats ok

[spurraider21]

So with Tre and Julian back on board anybody know how much space we have?
cap space hasnt really changed. they can stay on their cap holds for the time being, until we fill up the rest of our space. and then they can sign their new deals

[BacktoBasics]

We're running it back with the team Wright built to lose games, Wemby probably adds maybe 10 wins or so, so i guess we'll be high lottery.

That’s a bit disingenuous. They put a core together that speaks to future development and then managed that team and its contracts consist with tanking.

This team was never run last year with the intention of winning.

I think it’s really smart to run it back because our core was always built on the idea that it was a team waiting for its number 1.

[baseline bum]

Guess they really are going to make that $100 million offer to Reaves?

[John B]

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Free agent forward Julian Champagnie is finalizing a new deal with the San Antonio Spurs, sources tell ESPN.




McBuckets replacement tbh when he gets traded in the deadline. Champagnie was a pleasant surprise with his rebounding and defense. I thought at first he was just a volume shooter.

[ducks]

Stop injecting you dumb fucking bullshit here. Just stfu about your political crap you fucking incel.

ESPN lost 1 billion because of woke on movies
Now they fire people
Stop with the woke and politics and they will start making money

[mo7888]

Feels like there's a shoe waiting to drop...we've still got alit of money left that we need to spend. I'm guessing we have more left than anyone right now. So is it absorbing Lowry? Offer sheet to Brook, AR, or DR?

[Mr. Body]

Guess they really are going to make that $100 million offer to Reaves?

What indicates that?

[Extra Stout]

Wemby strikes me as the kind of talent, prospect and cornerstone that wants no part of tanking. Spurs will clearly see that.

Additionally there aren’t pressing needs for a transcending number 1 pick that we should tank for and we have enough draft capital that we could buy up into a draft if we absolutely had to have someone we highly coveted.

I don’t see any reason to tank.
Don’t call it tanking. It’s just that they like what they have, they want to see what they have, they want to find out what works, they’re going to be patient, and they want to avoid big, costly mistakes.
And so they’re running it back with basically the same roster.
So maybe it’s not a tank, but it’s also clearly not placing a priority on being competitive right away. It’s going to be sort of like a yearlong training camp to see which young players are going to stick long-term.

I mean, it’s so obvious. Unless a fabulous deal falls in their lap, they’re going to build through the drafts in ‘24 and ‘25.

[couchman]

I feel like we’re in on Reaves and taking time to make our move. We need to spend at least another $20mill or so right?

[Mr. Body]

Feels like there's a shoe waiting to drop...we've still got alit of money left that we need to spend. I'm guessing we have more left than anyone right now. So is it absorbing Lowry? Offer sheet to Brook, AR, or DR?

My bet still on waiting on the big whales getting moved around and helping grease the wheels.

But with Grant staying in Portland, that seems to cement Lillard staying (for some reason).

Harden still the huge question mark.

[slick'81]

Yea, fck those costly mistakes

[mo7888]

My bet still on waiting on the big whales getting moved around and helping grease the wheels.

But with Grant staying in Portland, that seems to cement Lillard staying (for some reason).

Harden still the huge question mark.

I totally forgot about Harden.... has he become forgettable? Or maybe I'm still punch drunk from laughing at the Sprockets and FVF... lol

[TekXX]

I imagine we'll pick up whatever center is left standing

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

:lmao panic replacement for FVV

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[mo7888]

Schroeder to Toronto for 2 years 26M

[Mr. Body]

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Somehow Brook Lopez makes even less sense for them.

[timtonymanu]

:lol Craptors

[TekXX]

Schroeder to the Raptors, we're gonna get a good pick fellas!

[Mr. Body]

Dennis Schroeder isn't really that bad, imo. In the right situations he can be pretty good, and TOR seems to be the right set-up.

[mystargtr34]

Brook would be a great get for any team.

His defensive metrics last season were off the charts (DFG% at rim, away from the rim etc. all elite).

Wonder what happens with Sengun if they sign Brook. Bring him off the bench I guess.

[spurraider21]

raptors really threading the needle here to make sure we get a good pick from them

[AusSpur]

The top 6 protected Raptors pick is looking delicious right now
:hungry:

[mo7888]

Somehow Brook Lopez makes even less sense for them.

It's gotta be Brook or Brooks...not enough room for both unless they trade a young player away..

[BatManu20]

Yuck. Raptors suddenly feel rudderless. Not sure what Masai and their FO’s goal is other than to win enough games to give us their FRP next season :lol.

[BacktoBasics]

ESPN lost 1 billion because of woke on movies
Now they fire people
Stop with the woke and politics and they will start making money

You don’t have access to their financials. You have access to memes and right wing propaganda and that’s what you feast on.

You don’t even know what woke means. You just spit slogans.

The day we see a thread where “we lost ducks” this place will be better for it.

[Mr. Body]

People pointing out Masai lost FVV, Gasol, Ibaka, Kawhi, etc., for nothing.

Perspective on how Spurs managed to get a second and a first for DeRozan, who was a free agent.

[slick'81]

Great get for tor at pg:lmao

[CGD]

Brook would be a great get for any team.

His defensive metrics last season were off the charts (DFG% at rim, away from the rim etc. all elite).

Wonder what happens with Sengun if they sign Brook. Bring him off the bench I guess.

If they get both those guys, I expect they start to use some of their young guys as trade bait for win now guys. Porter, Sengun, and even Jabari could be candidates. I imagine they’ll have Green and Amen starting at the 2/3.

[Mr. Body]

I'll say it again, Schroeder isn't that bad. He's a good defender and a scrappy player in general. TOR will run things as much through Barnes and Poeltl. Much rather pay DS thirteen million or whatever than FVV the max.

[spurraider21]

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[timvp]

The top 6 protected Raptors pick is looking delicious right now
:hungry:

Oh hell yes.

Schroder is the perfect PG to guide a team to a the 10th pick in the draft.

[TekXX]

I'll say it again, Schroeder isn't that bad. He's a good defender and a scrappy player in general. TOR will run things as much through Barnes and Poeltl. Much rather pay DS thirteen million or whatever than FVV the max.

He's a foul merchant from the few times i watched him, constantly looking to bait for offensive fouls.

[Atl Spur]

People pointing out Masai lost FVV, Gasol, Ibaka, Kawhi, etc., for nothing.

Perspective on how Spurs managed to get a second and a first for DeRozan, who was a free agent.

But but but our front office is the worst! 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[spurraider21]

Seth back with Dallas

[Degoat]

Mavs got Seth Curry, was kinda wishing the spurs would target him

[timvp]

I'll say it again, Schroeder isn't that bad. He's a good defender and a scrappy player in general. TOR will run things as much through Barnes and Poeltl. Much rather pay DS thirteen million or whatever than FVV the max.

I mean, yeah, he's not that bad but the Celtics took off after trading him away and his Hawks teams got worse and worse the more and more he played.

Historically, his teams have only been good when he is playing a bit role. Maybe he'll play a bit role with the Raptors but it looks like they'll need to rely on him.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'll say it again, Schroeder isn't that bad. He's a good defender and a scrappy player in general. TOR will run things as much through Barnes and Poeltl. Much rather pay DS thirteen million or whatever than FVV the max.

Schröder is trash and everybody knows it. Except for you and Masai Ujiri

[Mr. Body]

I mean, yeah, he's not that bad but the Celtics took off after trading him away and his Hawks teams got worse and worse the more and more he played.

Historically, his teams have only been good when he is playing a bit role. Maybe he'll play a bit role with the Raptors but it looks like they'll need to rely on him.

I don't think FVV or Schroeder will make or break the Raptors. They need shooting and their core to play better. If Barnes can run the offense more, Schroeder can stick with his strengths. Reading Raptors boards, he may not even start, necessarily. I think it's a bit of a mystery why they're struggling.

[Mr. Body]

Schröder is trash and everybody knows it. Except for you and Masai Ujiri

Nah, he's not bad. Is it because he was a Laker? Just knee-jerk dumbness?

[timvp]

Is this the third or fourth time the Mavs have signed Seth Curry?

[scott]

You can want or not want Reaves at 4/100... but can we all agree that we can't let the Lakers have him at 4/52? Only the Spurs and Rockets have enough space to even offer Reaves a big deal for Lakers to match.

[RC_Drunkford]

Nah, he's not bad. Is it because he was a Laker? Just knee-jerk dumbness?

Dennis Schröder has a negative net rating for his entire career. Matter of fact all of his advanced stats are negative for his entire career too. But somehow he‘s a good defender? :lmao

[Mr. Body]

Btw, wasn't Philly punished two SRPs for having talks with players before the start of free agency last year?

This year there were like fifteen deals announced within seconds of 5:00pm CST.

[mo7888]

You can want or not want Reaves at 4/100... but can we all agree that we can't let the Lakers have him at 4/52? Only the Spurs and Rockets have enough space to even offer Reaves a big deal for Lakers to match.

Yup... can't let them have him for that.... if they didn't match, he'd be the second best player on our team to start the year.

[Extra Stout]

You can want or not want Reaves at 4/100... but can we all agree that we can't let the Lakers have him at 4/52? Only the Spurs and Rockets have enough space to even offer Reaves a big deal for Lakers to match.
I imagine if Pop had to respond to that, he would glare at you, and say, “Our concern is the Spurs.”

[timvp]

Yeah, looks like the Spurs can still offer Reaves that four-year, $100 million deal. I'm kinda rooting for that outcome now if just for entertainment purposes :lol

[scott]

I imagine if Pop had to respond to that, he would glare at you, and say, “Our concern is the Spurs.”

I generally agree... but at this point... is there any value the Spurs place on Reaves? It's possible they don't like him as a fit as well, in which case you can't make him an offer (because you might get stuck with him). But if they value him anywhere between 4/52 and 4/100 - they should make the offer and make LA match.

With that said, one thing we don't talk about when it comes to RFAs... we often ask "why didn't the Spurs at least offer?!?" but without actually knowing whether we did. Just because we extend an offer sheet doesn't mean the player has to sign it. It's possible Austin Reeves doesn't want to sign a 4/72 offer sheet with the Spurs, because he doesn't want to play here.

[TekXX]

The Lakers would be really, really mad guys, Pop won't be invited to the Christmas party.

[Mr. Body]

Is this the timeline where we wind up with a passable player making $40 million two seasons from now?

[objective]

Very happy Spurs are not paying VanVleet that ridiculous money

[TekXX]

I generally agree... but at this point... is there any value the Spurs place on Reaves? It's possible they don't like him as a fit as well, in which case you can't make him an offer (because you might get stuck with him). But if they value him anywhere between 4/52 and 4/100 - they should make the offer and make LA match.

With that said, one thing we don't talk about when it comes to RFAs... we often ask "why didn't the Spurs at least offer?!?" but without actually knowing whether we did. Just because we extend an offer sheet doesn't mean the player has to sign it. It's possible Austin Reeves doesn't want to sign a 4/72 offer sheet with the Spurs, because he doesn't want to play here.

Sure but the point would be to force the Lakers to pay more which they said they will.

[Chinook]

Things are lining up for the Spurs to be the team that gives Reaves his big deal. It's possible that whoever signs him (if anyone) would rather wait until 07/06 to make a move in order to force the Lakers into a more immediate matching situation. LAL for its part seems to be loading up for a two-year window. This doesn't instantly mean Reaves is gone, since he only counts for the MLE for the first two years anyway. But these mid-sized three-year deals clogging up 2025 cap space would make Reaves' max deal hard to swallow in a couple of years. If the Spurs want him, I wish they could work out a sign-and-trade to just get it over with. But as mentioned, that's not possible. We should have a sense if the Spurs are that team if they still carry huge cap space through next week.

Also, WTF is up with this idea of renouncing Champ and Tre to open up cap space? It's possible, I think for the Spurs to withdraw their QO while not renouncing Jones and thus save a bit of space before re-signing him with the Bird rights they retained. But obviously if they got rid of his cap hold, they couldn't go over the cap to retain him.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I don't think FVV or Schroeder will make or break the Raptors. They need shooting and their core to play better. If Barnes can run the offense more, Schroeder can stick with his strengths. Reading Raptors boards, he may not even start, necessarily. I think it's a bit of a mystery why they're struggling.

Any mention on those Raptor boards about the potential of their 2024 #1 pick conveying to us?

[timvp]

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We gotta do it, boys and girls. You just can't let the Lakers get a 50% discount on their third best player.

A little risky but there's also a lot of upside, IMO.

I haven't heard that the Spurs are interested in Reaves at all ... but that's something they'd keep especially quiet because he's restricted.

[RC_Drunkford]

So could we sign Reeves to a 2-year deal?

edit: even a 4-year deal would make sense. You could still decide to trade him or Keldon down the line if you want to sign a max guy. Both should be nice trade assets. I‘m on board

[scott]

Is this the timeline where we wind up with a passable player making $40 million two seasons from now?

What's the deal on what a Reaves contract would actually look like? My understanding is that the backloaded deal is only what the Lakers would have to pay, but a 4/100 on our books would look like a normal deal.

[ace3g]

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Free agent Derrick Rose has agreed to a deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[BacktoBasics]

We’ve reached peak stupidity. Even after our FO stated unequivocally that they wanted to avoid big contract mistakes.

4 for 52 is appropriate value. You want push LA then offer 60 but if we whip out 75 million and they tell us to eat it then this entire collection of idiocy will hate that contract after post nut clarity reveals Reaves to be just a decent bench guy who should be making 11 a year.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Yeah, looks like the Spurs can still offer Reaves that four-year, $100 million deal. I'm kinda rooting for that outcome now if just for entertainment purposes :lol

Let the Holy War commence

[timtonymanu]

I can see the Rockets doing it.

Not the Spurs and their "we handle things with class" kind of approach. Would totally be awesome though. Screw over the Lakers a little bit.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean think about it: It would destroy the Lakers chances to sign any big time FAs when they have to pay Reeves 40 million in 2025 and 2026. We got a good chance to get him and can frontload his deal

[Mr. Body]

This is like a good example of the prisoner's dilemma. Spurs give a contract they know Lakers will match, but then the Lakers don't match and we're on the hook for a bad contract.

Don't play games. Nothing's changed after a fairly expected first four hours of FAs. Let the Lakers figure their own dumb selves out signing Cam Reddish and shit. Let's be about us.

[mo7888]

We’ve reached peak stupidity. Even after our FO stated unequivocally that they wanted to avoid big contract mistakes.

4 for 52 is appropriate value. You want push LA then offer 60 but if we whip out 75 million and they tell us to eat it then this entire collection of idiocy will hate that contract after post nut clarity reveals Reaves to be just a decent bench guy who should be making 11 a year.

Nah... arguably better, than Vassell... he's worth the money.. 2nd best player on our team day 1..

[timtonymanu]

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Free agent Derrick Rose has agreed to a deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

Back to his college roots

[Chinook]

What's the deal on what a Reaves contract would actually look like? My understanding is that the backloaded deal is only what the Lakers would have to pay, but a 4/100 on our books would look like a normal deal.

Yep. It's be like $25ish Million each year for the Spurs, but the Lakers could only count the MLE for the first two years and then have to push the rest of that cap space into the latter two years. For both teams, the cash payments would be the same, but LAL's cap and cash would match, and SA would basically have to pay a lot less cash compared to cap this year and next and then have to pay more cash in the back half.

I did mention something wrong before: The Spurs HAVE to give Reaves a flat-cap deal. It's the Lakers who'd have the option of flat or with the big jump, assuming they had cap or an exception big enough to absorb the flatten APY. They don't, so they're stuck with the jump.

[ace3g]

Someone just posted this online, "new 2023-24 Grizzlies logo"

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[scott]

In years 3 and 4, the cap will also be significantly higher. Assuming we extend Dev, would Reaves even be that big an impediment to signing a max player? Right now, our only contracts going into 2025 are Vic, Keldon, Sochan, Bran, Blake, Champ, Bassey.

[slick'81]

Have the spurs ever fcked over a team like they could la?!

[TekXX]

This is like a good example of the prisoner's dilemma. Spurs give a contract they know Lakers will match, but then the Lakers don't match and we're on the hook for a bad contract.

Don't play games. Nothing's changed after a fairly expected first four hours of FAs. Let the Lakers figure their own dumb selves out signing Cam Reddish and shit. Let's be about us.

Laker fans love him, they would have to match us.

[timvp]

This is like a good example of the prisoner's dilemma. Spurs give a contract they know Lakers will match, but then the Lakers don't match and we're on the hook for a bad contract.

Don't play games. Nothing's changed after a fairly expected first four hours of FAs. Let the Lakers figure their own dumb selves out signing Cam Reddish and shit. Let's be about us.

The front office probably agrees with you, to be fair. That's a reality based, mature opinion.





But ............. my counterpoint would be that the only reason the Lakers made the playoffs this year is they stopped running the offense through LeBron and AD and started running it through Reaves instead. That sounds ludicrous but it's what happened. And even if his three-point shooting regresses a bit, he gets to the line so often that his scoring efficiency will almost certainly be better than any on San Antonio's roster outside of an older version of Wemby.

[CGD]

We’ve reached peak stupidity. Even after our FO stated unequivocally that they wanted to avoid big contract mistakes.

4 for 52 is appropriate value. You want push LA then offer 60 but if we whip out 75 million and they tell us to eat it then this entire collection of idiocy will hate that contract after post nut clarity reveals Reaves to be just a decent bench guy who should be making 11 a year.

Yeah, I think folks here are mostly dicking around. Doing dealings out of spite (in life generally) is a recipe for disaster in the long run. If the spurs do make the offer I trust they’re doing it from a place of strategy/specific goals for the roster’s construction.

[mo7888]

The front office probably agrees with you, to be fair. That's a reality based, mature opinion.





But ............. my counterpoint would be that the only reason the Lakers made the playoffs this year is they stopped running the offense through LeBron and AD and started running it through Reaves instead. That sounds ludicrous but it's what happened. And even if his three-point shooting regresses a bit, he gets to the line so often that his scoring efficiency will almost certainly be better than any on San Antonio's roster outside of an older version of Wemby.

Could Graham + 2nd's to LA in a S&T work ...or would their base riot?

[BacktoBasics]

The front office probably agrees with you, to be fair. That's a reality based, mature opinion.





But ............. my counterpoint would be that the only reason the Lakers made the playoffs this year is they stopped running the offense through LeBron and AD and started running it through Reaves instead. That sounds ludicrous but it's what happened. And even if his three-point shooting regresses a bit, he gets to the line so often that his scoring efficiency will almost certainly be better than any on San Antonio's roster outside of an older version of Wemby.
Your sample size of him playing at that high of a level is too small. Reaves played behind Lonnie before he got hurt.

Reaves was decent during the regular season but not exceptional.

[objective]

Have the spurs ever fcked over a team like they could la?!

Nothing comes to mind. Usually the opposite, Spurs being real nice to teams and players.

[objective]

If Reaves isn't working ...

Still have enough room to add Birch and Graham etc and get Lillard for 10 firsts

:lol

[RC_Drunkford]

The notion that Reeves is just a role player is pretty idiotic. Is he an All-Star? No, but he has no weakness in his game, is a positive on both ends, can play make, doesn’t shy away from big moments, is fast, has an elite crossover, size and has only played 2 NBA seasons. There‘s still some upside here. The PG options out there are so bad that he‘s easily our best bet and 25 million is not that expensive as people here want to make it out to be.

[BacktoBasics]

Nah... arguably better, than Vassell... he's worth the money.. 2nd best player on our team day 1..

Vassell was the better player and Reaves had the benefit of playing on a team that made a deep playoff run. This comparison is nothing more than a typical ST circlejerking fad.

Reaves didn’t have a breakout season. The pitch is that he will have one. Vassell has shown legitimate promise and progress on a team that worked to the benefit of a tank.

It’s a shortsighted comp.

[scott]

The crux of the argument centers around whether Reaves is really worth $11MM or if he is actually a $25MM player. With Doug making $14MM and Devonte making $12MM and Keldon making $20MM... I tend to think that Reaves probably actually is worth somewhere between 4/80 and 4/100, especially with the Cap at $136MM and rising 10%/year ($150MM next season, $165MM in 2025, $181MM in 2026).

I also believe that waiting on a 2025 FA Class that probably won't materialize (because it never does) is a fool's errand.

Given the our cap situation coupled with the rising cap AND all the FRPs we have coming up, I'd give Reaves 4/100 (and not just to screw over the Lakers). IMO, this isn't a second star contract, this is a Keldon/Devin/Jeremy level contributor contract. We can still use our picks to either draft or trade for our second star. I don't think Reeves at 4/100 is the "big costly mistake" that we are warned about (I think FVV at 3/$130 is).

Just my opinion, but I am no means a professional basketball scout. I'm just some dude on the internet who should probably be working. Good thing I'm the boss.

[BacktoBasics]

The notion that Reeves is just a role player is pretty idiotic. Is he an All-Star? No, but he has no weakness in his game, is a positive on both ends, can play make, doesn’t shy away from big moments, is fast, has an elite crossover, size and has only played 2 NBA seasons. There‘s still some upside here. The PG options out there are so bad that he‘s easily our best bet and 25 million is not that expensive as people here want to make it out to be.
Based on what? 16 games? 20 games?

Definitely not the whole season.

So if you want say he has no weaknesses in his game and he’s what? An elite role player? 3rd option? Better be at 100 million.

Then own it.

What’s his stat lines gonna be next season? How many mpg?

Project his greatness that you’re sold on for us.

[Mr. Body]

Austin Reaves is this year's John Collins.

[timvp]

The other shoe that's left to drop that might have a Spurs connection is Brook Lopez. If you were to imagine a center to put next to a rookie Wemby, you'd want a big ol' dude who is great at defense, absorbs contact, won't be messed with and shoots threes on the other end to space the floor for Wemby's isolations. Sounds like Lopez.

If the Spurs offer him two-year, $55 million, could he actually say no?

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The notion that Reeves is just a role player is pretty idiotic. Is he an All-Star? No, but he has no weakness in his game, is a positive on both ends, can play make, doesn’t shy away from big moments, is fast, has an elite crossover, size and has only played 2 NBA seasons. There‘s still some upside here. The PG options out there are so bad that he‘s easily our best bet and 25 million is not that expensive as people here want to make it out to be.

And, unlike other pricey free agents, he won't be over the hill and still drawing a huge paycheck. I can't think of anything to drive Wemby out of SA faster than an old, useless player making 50 million a year.

[mo7888]

Vassell was the better player and Reaves had the benefit of playing on a team that made a deep playoff run. This comparison is nothing more than a typical ST circlejerking fad.

Reaves didn’t have a breakout season. The pitch is that he will have one. Vassell has shown legitimate promise and progress on a team that worked to the benefit of a tank.

It’s a shortsighted comp.

Reaves advanced stats have already been posted on here and they are superior to Vassell... the only argument in Vassell's favor is that we were trying to tank and it hurt his numbers....its hard to quantify that though..

[Chinook]

Osman has always had hugely negative advanced stats but it looks like the numbers swung positive last year. League average TS% and eFG% the last couple seasons. Decent size. Decent enough three-point volume. 28 years old.

Eh, yeah, $6.7 million would be fine. If the Spurs see him as possible long-term fit, giving up a second rounder for him wouldn't be the end of the world.

I do want to point out that Cedi's salary fits into the room exception, which I'm pretty sure can be used as a TE this year. So even if the Spurs plan on doing this deal (and as mentioned, I pretty much hope they don't), they should be able to use all of their cap space without worrying about Osman gunking it up.

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The other shoe that's left to drop that might have a Spurs connection is Brook Lopez. If you were to imagine a center to put next to a rookie Wemby, you'd want a big ol' dude who is great at defense, absorbs contact, won't be messed with and shoots threes on the other end to space the floor for Wemby's isolations. Sounds like Lopez.

If the Spurs offer him two-year, $55 million, could he actually say no?
I don't know if that is overpaying, but I would overpay for two years of him.

[objective]

Reaves scored 21 a game against Denver in the playoffs, 5 assists

-9 in a series lost -24

Dude is good

[timvp]

I do want to point out that Cedi's salary fits into the room exception, which I'm pretty sure can be used as a TE this year. So even if the Spurs plan on doing this deal (and as mentioned, I pretty much hope they don't), they should be able to use all of their cap space without worrying about Osman gunking it up.

That's interesting, thanks. Especially about the change to the room exception.

You think the Spurs would have to give up a second rounder to get Osman or the Cavs would have to give the Spurs a second rounder to take Osman? I'm thinking neither team would have to give up anything but it's close.

[BacktoBasics]

The crux of the argument centers around whether Reaves is really worth $11MM or if he is actually a $25MM player. With Doug making $14MM and Devonte making $12MM and Keldon making $20MM... I tend to think that Reaves probably actually is worth somewhere between 4/80 and 4/100, especially with the Cap at $136MM and rising 10%/year ($150MM next season, $165MM in 2025, $181MM in 2026).

I also believe that waiting on a 2025 FA Class that probably won't materialize (because it never does) is a fool's errand.

Given the our cap situation coupled with the rising cap AND all the FRPs we have coming up, I'd give Reaves 4/100 (and not just to screw over the Lakers). IMO, this isn't a second star contract, this is a Keldon/Devin/Jeremy level contributor contract. We can still use our picks to either draft or trade for our second star. I don't think Reeves at 4/100 is the "big costly mistake" that we are warned about (I think FVV at 3/$130 is).

Just my opinion, but I am no means a professional basketball scout. I'm just some dude on the internet who should probably be working. Good thing I'm the boss.
Doug is overpaid and Devonte is on a contract that explicitly shows why giving a guy a bag based on a questionable sample size or hype is a bad idea.

Some of you Reaves supporters need to own up and tell us your expectations of Reaves next season so that when it doesn’t pan out you’ll have to own it.

[Chinook]

Reaves advanced stats have already been posted on here and they are superior to Vassell... the only argument in Vassell's favor is that we were trying to tank and it hurt his numbers....its hard to quantify that though..

The actual argument for Vassell in my mind is seeing his potential as an iso scorer. Reaves is as capable on that end as he needs to be for his role. But Devin has a chance to be that guy who gets the ball at the end of quarters to make something happen. While we hope Wemba is that guy going forward, he probably won't start out there. Vassell is definitely the best choice of the guys from last year.

I do think Reaves has shown he's a better player than anyone on the Spurs have shown, and I don't think Vassell would've been a better performer than Reaves on LAL. Reaves was really, really good. I don't see why the idea that he performs at an elite level around stars is supposed to be a bad thing for a guy to put around Wemba.

[scott]

Vassell was the better player and Reaves had the benefit of playing on a team that made a deep playoff run. This comparison is nothing more than a typical ST circlejerking fad.

Reaves didn’t have a breakout season. The pitch is that he will have one. Vassell has shown legitimate promise and progress on a team that worked to the benefit of a tank.

It’s a shortsighted comp.

I won't pretend like I've watched a ton of Austin Reaves games... but his second season outperformed Devin's second season on a more competitive team (in 64 regular season games, not 16 or 20). Devin's 3rd year was a big leap, but it was also less than half a season of playing time on a garbage team. I'm not a huge advanced stats nerd, and honestly don't even know which ones to look at, but seems like Reaves' Year 2 advanced stats are better than Devin's 3rd Year.

I'm not really qualified so say which player is better, but I see a lot of sharp people on this board making arguments both ways. 4/100 seems to be about what we feel Devin's extension should be... and it seems like half the folks think Reaves is better than Devin and half the folks feel the opposite... which makes me think that 4/100 is about right for Reaves?

[TekXX]

Guys, the Lakers will match us, I don't think we have to worry about him being here.

[BacktoBasics]

Reaves advanced stats have already been posted on here and they are superior to Vassell... the only argument in Vassell's favor is that we were trying to tank and it hurt his numbers....its hard to quantify that though..
That’s the exact reason it’s a disingenuous comparison.

It’s like arguing the success of you getting blowjobs from a women who actually wants you and one you pay. You’re the guy who goes back to his boys and tells them that the hooker you paid was all over you and kept telling you what a stud you are.

Imagine the mystery around a team winning reflecting positively in advanced stats. Wow. Say it isn’t so.

[BacktoBasics]

I won't pretend like I've watched a ton of Austin Reaves games... but his second season outperformed Devin's second season on a more competitive team (in 64 regular season games, not 16 or 20). Devin's 3rd year was a big leap, but it was also less than half a season of playing time on a garbage team. I'm not a huge advanced stats nerd, and honestly don't even know which ones to look at, but seems like Reaves' Year 2 advanced stats are better than Devin's 3rd Year.

I'm not really qualified so say which player is better, but I see a lot of sharp people on this board making arguments both ways. 4/100 seems to be about what we feel Devin's extension should be... and it seems like half the folks think Reaves is better than Devin and half the folks feel the opposite... which makes me think that 4/100 is about right for Reaves?

Sound post. This is exactly why I’ve asked them to own it and post their predictions for how he’ll perform next season. Yet no one wants to make that prediction.

[Chinook]

That's interesting, thanks. Especially about the change to the room exception.

You think the Spurs would have to give up a second rounder to get Osman or the Cavs would have to give the Spurs a second rounder to take Osman? I'm thinking neither team would have to give up anything but it's close.

The Spurs might have to if they're the ones controlling the timing of the trade (to protect their cap space). They have to give Miami something anyway to make the trade legal. It may as well be one of their picks. Maybe the Spurs get cash to cover Cedi's salary (and give the Holts free money). I do think it's hard to see why the Spurs would do this if they don't want Osman on their roster. A second isn't enough to take up a roster spot. Even if they want to cut him immediately just to get closer to the floor, you think they would've been the team in the Harris deal. Harris has rehab value. Osman likely doesn't.

[mo7888]

The actual argument for Vassell in my mind is seeing his potential as an iso scorer. Reaves is as capable on that end as he needs to be for his role. But Devin has a chance to be that guy who gets the ball at the end of quarters to make something happen. While we hope Wemba is that guy going forward, he probably won't start out there. Vassell is definitely the best choice of the guys from last year.

I do think Reaves has shown he's a better player than anyone on the Spurs have shown, and I don't think Vassell would've been a better performer than Reaves on LAL. Reaves was really, really good. I don't see why the idea that he performs at an elite level around stars is supposed to be a bad thing for a guy to put around Wemba.

I also think it makes the starting lineup more interesting. I think the 'KJ or Sochan' starting debate is settled and Sochan starts. You'd have 4 guys in that unit who are true threats from deep. Tre and Keldon coming off the bench in roles that are suited to their strengths are a big plus in my mind.

[Mr. Body]

Reaves scored 21 a game against Denver in the playoffs, 5 assists

-9 in a series lost -24

Dude is good

Jerome James

[cd98]

Reavers looked good when I saw him play. Lakers won’t let him go. But I think the eye test tells me Vassel has more potential. He’s taller and longer and great shooter off picks. I can see him becoming a solid defender once the Spurs start trying to win and I think he has playmaking potential.

[objective]

Graham + Birch + Primo's Junk = starting salary for Reaves. It's not a big deal

The only slight perspective I could see on Reaves is his numbers on the playoffs being elevated due to heavy minutes. His per 36 numbers are worse as a result. But that's not a bad thing at all, if he's trusted to play that heavy and earns it. Just means any Spur numbers would be less as pop would probably keep his minutes at 30 or so

[BacktoBasics]

The actual argument for Vassell in my mind is seeing his potential as an iso scorer. Reaves is as capable on that end as he needs to be for his role. But Devin has a chance to be that guy who gets the ball at the end of quarters to make something happen. While we hope Wemba is that guy going forward, he probably won't start out there. Vassell is definitely the best choice of the guys from last year.

I do think Reaves has shown he's a better player than anyone on the Spurs have shown, and I don't think Vassell would've been a better performer than Reaves on LAL. Reaves was really, really good. I don't see why the idea that he performs at an elite level around stars is supposed to be a bad thing for a guy to put around Wemba.
How many games was Reaves “really really really really really good”?

Share your expectations for his greatness next year please.

[TekXX]

How many games was Reaves “really really really really really good”?

Share your expectations for his greatness next year please.

What's your expectation of the Spurs next year? Will we have really, really, really good games?

[InRareForm]

Nah. Some of us just understand the Lebron effect. Reaves won't remotely be the same player on another team without Lebron. He might not be the same player this year when defensives actually pay attention to him.

I watched tons of laker games he is very crafty, like hornaseck. It's impressive this early in his career the angles and space he can get.