2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT

[kace]

well, i'm not very good with all these CBA things, but i surely don't get how Reaves was paid only 14M/year. If someone would take the time to explain it to me.

I get that players in LA will have more hype. But from what i saw, i don'tget Reaves only getting that, he seemed like the real deal fot the role he's asked to have.

Hell, Keldon at 18.5/year was considered a good deal, and it was. but Reaves is the better passer, the better shooter, the better defender. and i think that given the same role, he could easily score as much as Keldon.

There are two question about Reaves. Was this last year a fluke , but he seems more like a late bloomer than anything else.
And could he be as efficient as the primary option, but he probably won't have to be, and even 25M/year, the max he could get, wasn't "first option" money in today NBA.

I really don't get how any other team didn't offer more.

[Extra Stout]

I just don’t want to be in a spot where we don’t take the opportunity to add players when we have the means to do so. Once we have to start handing our guys big extensions (Vassell looming), that flexibility fades

who knows what Zollins would cost next year as a UFA?
They shouldn’t add players just because they can. They should have a plan to field a contender by 2025-26 when Victor is mature enough to dominate, and all moves should be in harmony with that goal.

The first order of business is to build the core around Wemby — his Manu and Tony. Nobody readily available this offseason fits those roles. No, not Dame.

The goal is not to field the most competitive team possible for 2023-24. I understand that Spurs fans are tired of losing and don’t want another throwaway season, so they’re willing to mortgage part of a spectacular dynastic future to get some short-term baubles. Actually no, I don’t understand it. It’s fucking asinine.

[Obstructed_View]

timvpYou were one of the people who mentioned yesterday that the Spurs had plenty of time to offer Reeves a contract and could wait several days. Yet less than 24 hours later, here we are.

For those who actually wanted the Spurs to make an offer, sooner would have been better, yes? Or can the Spurs still call his agent and try to get him to pull a Marcus Morris?

[scott]

Dame to Houston? Tiny Backcourt v2.0?

[Obstructed_View]

They shouldn’t add players just because they can. They should have a plan to field a contender by 2025-26 when Victor is mature enough to dominate, and all moves should be in harmony with that goal.

The first order of business is to build the core around Wemby — his Manu and Tony. Nobody readily available this offseason fits those roles. No, not Dame.

The goal is not to field the most competitive team possible for 2023-24. I understand that Spurs fans are tired of losing and don’t want another throwaway season, so they’re willing to mortgage part of a spectacular dynastic future to get some short-term baubles. Actually no, I don’t understand it. It’s fucking asinine.

In the simulation on YouTube, the Spurs didn't win their first title until Victor was 29. They won four in a row.

[DPG21920]

Not denying they did a good job putting some pieces around them. Just saying let's pump the brakes on anointing them best in the West; they're still likely to be a play-in team.

Denver

Phoenix

Dubs
Kings
Clippers (could be higher)
Lakers
Grizz

Pels
T'Pups
Mavs
The rest

Ya - I don’t think they are best in west. But they are improved and in the mix and that’s all that matters.

[scott]

timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8)You were one of the people who mentioned yesterday that the Spurs had plenty of time to offer Reeves a contract and could wait several days. Yet less than 24 hours later, here we are.

For those who actually wanted the Spurs to make an offer, sooner would have been better, yes? Or can the Spurs still call his agent and try to get him to pull a Marcus Morris?

Waiting made sense - but would have required a verbal agreement with his agent with us basically promising that we'd make the offer on the last day of the moratorium period. At that point, Reaves' agent would have been ecstatic because he'd have just made his client (and himself) a bunch more money with the major risk being the Spurs (or any similar team) not living up to their promise.

But, it appears no such conversations were had and Reaves wanted to stay in LA so they went with what they had. It does very much surprise me that they didn't do something else, even just playing under the QO to be a UFA next year and make more money. But as it is, Reaves will make slightly more than Gabe Vincent, less than Max Strus and less that Bruce Brown :lol

Don't think any Marcus Morris shenanigans will be played, and definitely don't think the Spurs would be the ones to play such games.

[BacktoBasics]

well, i'm not very good with all these CBA things, but i surely don't get how Reaves was paid only 14M/year. If someone would take the time to explain it to me.

I get that players in LA will have more hype. But from what i saw, i don'tget Reaves only getting that, he seemed like the real deal fot the role he's asked to have.

Hell, Keldon at 18.5/year was considered a good deal, and it was. but Reaves is the better passer, the better shooter, the better defender. and i think that given the same role, he could easily score as much as Keldon.

There are two question about Reaves. Was this last year a fluke , but he seems more like a late bloomer than anything else.
And could he be as efficient as the primary option, but he probably won't have to be, and even 25M/year, the max he could get, wasn't "first option" money in today NBA.

I really don't get how any other team didn't offer more.
You’re basing Reaves being better on too small of a sample size. He got fair market value. If he plays identically to how he played last season even the 56 million will be an overpay.

[timvp]

timvpYou were one of the people who mentioned yesterday that the Spurs had plenty of time to offer Reeves a contract and could wait several days. Yet less than 24 hours later, here we are.

For those who actually wanted the Spurs to make an offer, sooner would have been better, yes? Or can the Spurs still call his agent and try to get him to pull a Marcus Morris?

The Spurs were the last team able to give Reaves his max. Apparently Reaves' agents heard from the Spurs that there would be no offer coming so they decided to just take the best deal they could get from the Lakers. If the Spurs indicated an offer could have been coming, Reaves would have waited.

[JPB]

Look, again, there’s a difference in throwing baby out with bath water (saying SA sucks or is in an awful spot) and discussing some very real missed opportunities and nuance. Spurs have not had a good free agency period. Now, does that mean they were awful? No. They did fine with Tre and Cham but that was literally the bare minimum lol.

There was so much more opportunity to get creative and maybe they still do. But I dont like the Cedi trade as it represents just money and no basketball help at all and that’s not what I want to see with a team that has SO MUCH cap space and picks etc….there’s more that could have and should have (and maybe will) been done here.

Nuance. Context.

Not contesting in a vacuum, but what could have been reasonably done by the spurs (assuming it would have been on the table)? Saying this because I never imagine I'm smarter than spurs FO in the grand scheme of things, and not because they don't make (for the moment) any move that it would be a bad FA. It's clear spurs won't make any move that isn't a no brainer with Wemby in...

[Cardinal]

What can the spurs get out of a Portland-Miami deal that would make them want to help facilitate as a 3rd party?

[ace3g]

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The Jazz are trading center Damian Jones to the Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN.

[scott]

Not denying they did a good job putting some pieces around them. Just saying let's pump the brakes on anointing them best in the West; they're still likely to be a play-in team.

Denver

Phoenix

Dubs
Kings
Clippers (could be higher)
Lakers
Grizz

Pels
T'Pups
Mavs
The rest

Clippers and Kings are interesting to me on this list. Clippers could be higher, or could be a lottery team if Neph and PG have another injury filled season (which is not all that unlikely). That team really has zero depth... we'll see if they land Dame or Harden.

Kings could very well slip back into a 15 year playoff drought as well.

[ace3g]

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Free agent forward Jae Crowder has reached an agreement to re-sign with the Milwaukee Bucks on a one-year deal, league sources tell @NBAonTNT (https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/), @BleacherReport (https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/).

[BacktoBasics]

Not contesting in a vacuum, but what could have been reasonably done by the spurs (assuming it would have been on the table)? Saying this because i never imagine I'm smarter than spurs FO in the grand scheme of things.
These people wanted Reaves for a 100 million. I don’t buy the LA thing at this point. I bet anything over 70 million and LA makes that team eat it.

Thank god we didn’t offer him 80 million or something.

[mo7888]

What can the spurs get out of a Portland-Miami deal that would make them want to help facilitate as a 3rd party?

It's hard to say because it doesn't seem like they want to go much over the floor and they don't want players... of course, that's just an impression and it could be totally wrong...if they wanted Lowry or Herro, I'm sure they could get one... it just doesn't appear they want to do anything else this summer..

[Bruno]

I'm trying to figure out what the max Champagnie's contract could be next season. IIRC, there's a stipulation that an option year at the end of a contract can't be for less money than the previous year. But I think the Spurs may be able to get around that by making the last season unguaranteed rather than an option. I believe it also depends how exactly the Spurs sign him that determines whether the Spurs can decline his contract by 8% or 5%.


Champagnie is a non-bird player, I don't think he is eligible to the 8% raise/decrease.

If the last year is a team option:
$3,200,000
$3,040,000
$2,880,000
$2,880,000

If the last year is non-guaranteed:
$3,243,243
$3,081,081
$2,918,919
$2,756,757

[Degoat]

Are we ever going to get a center?

[timvp]

well, i'm not very good with all these CBA things, but i surely don't get how Reaves was paid only 14M/year. If someone would take the time to explain it to me.

I get that players in LA will have more hype. But from what i saw, i don'tget Reaves only getting that, he seemed like the real deal fot the role he's asked to have.

Hell, Keldon at 18.5/year was considered a good deal, and it was. but Reaves is the better passer, the better shooter, the better defender. and i think that given the same role, he could easily score as much as Keldon.

There are two question about Reaves. Was this last year a fluke , but he seems more like a late bloomer than anything else.
And could he be as efficient as the primary option, but he probably won't have to be, and even 25M/year, the max he could get, wasn't "first option" money in today NBA.

I really don't get how any other team didn't offer more.

Reaves was restricted and the Lakers couldn't give him any more than they did. If a team gave Reaves an offer, the Lakers could have waited until the 7th to match the offer and keep him. Apparently no team wanted their cap space to be in limbo for a week and most likely end up not getting Reaves at the end of that week.

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The Jazz are trading center Damian Jones to the Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN.

I hear SA native Jordan Clarkson could be moved by Jazz. Thoughts?

[Extra Stout]

Are we ever going to get a center?
They still have to spend at least $5 million more to reach the salary floor, so maybe.

[DPG21920]

Not contesting in a vacuum, but what could have been reasonably done by the spurs (assuming it would have been on the table)? Saying this because I never imagine I'm smarter than spurs FO in the grand scheme of things, and not because they don't make (for the moment) any move that it would be a bad FA. It's clear spurs won't make any move that isn't a no brainer with Wemby in...

I think high level - we could have seen Sa in on some of these opportunities OKC/DET got in on for their cap space that yielded better ROI than Cedi deal for example. Outside of that, IF the Cedi deal was truly to reach floor, easily could have just signed McDaniels or Grant or someone that is actually a remotely interesting player to accomplish the same goal while getting something more valuable than another 2nd; a legit player with a spark of upside

Beyond that, there were opportunities like Reaves or trades like Obi Toppin (again, I think SA can’t worry about fit too much, just look for value and talent at this point especially when cost is cap space and 2 2nds or less which we have a million of).

All small things and maybe they do sign McDaniels for example to a decent 1 year deal and it shows Cedi deal was smart business to a degree vs just money…its fluid. But they have definitely been less opportunistic this off season after landing Wemby than other teams in similar scenarios (INDY, DET, OKC)

[Russ]

timvpYou were one of the people who mentioned yesterday that the Spurs had plenty of time to offer Reeves a contract and could wait several days. Yet less than 24 hours later, here we are.

For those who actually wanted the Spurs to make an offer, sooner would have been better, yes? Or can the Spurs still call his agent and try to get him to pull a Marcus Morris?

One thing people sometimes forget is that the player has to accept (sign) an offer sheet.

If Reaves had no intention of signing an offer sheet with the Spurs (or perhaps anyone else), nothing else matters -- the effort never goes anywhere.

Also, if a player signs an offer sheet, he has to be prepared to play in that town for a fair amount of time. Maybe Reaves didn't want to take that chance.

Simply put, Reaves is a big fan favorite in LA and may just want to stay there.

[scott]

Gorgui Dieng patiently waiting by his phone, prepared to get paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid

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Are we ever going to get a center?

Did we even try to offer Book Lopez

[DPG21920]

What can the spurs get out of a Portland-Miami deal that would make them want to help facilitate as a 3rd party?

Nothing IMO outside of Sharpe or Simmons which I highly doubt happens…

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Gorgui Dieng patiently waiting by his phone, prepared to get paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid

He'll come in at the salary floor number to the penny. And play 9 minutes...this year.

[spurraider21]

Reaves was restricted and the Lakers couldn't give him any more than they did. If a team gave Reaves an offer, the Lakers could have waited until the 7th to match the offer and keep him. Apparently no team wanted their cap space to be in limbo for a week and most likely end up not getting Reaves at the end of that week.
Would be funny if the lakers had no intention of matching 4/100 but successfully bluffed everybody out of submitting any offer at all

[ace3g]

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Free agent center Dwight Powell has agreed on a deal to return to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell ESPN.

[timtonymanu]

Lakers the best team in the West :lol. Y’all slurp other teams more than your own team some time. :lol

[ace3g]

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One thing people sometimes forget is that the player has to accept (sign) an offer sheet.

If Reaves had no intention of signing an offer sheet with the Spurs (or perhaps anyone else), nothing else matters -- the effort never goes anywhere.

Also, if a player signs an offer sheet, he has to be prepared to play in that town for a fair amount of time. Maybe Reaves didn't want to take that chance.

Simply put, Reaves is a big fan favorite in LA and may just want to stay there.

Yes he has to sign the offer sheet but if he doesn't then the Lakers only have to offer the max 4/56 and not whatever said team's offer sheet raise. And he's from Arkansas. He would have signed an offer sheet here and risked a higher salary and a chance to play with the next generational talent with a decade championship window as opposed to the last generational talent with maybe 1 more championship year left.

[timvp]

Champagnie is a non-bird player, I don't think he is eligible to the 8% raise/decrease.

If the last year is a team option:
$3,200,000
$3,040,000
$2,880,000
$2,880,000

If the last year is non-guaranteed:
$3,243,243
$3,081,081
$2,918,919
$2,756,757

Yeah, looks like he had to have been on the team two years to get the 8% decline. Maybe something changed in the new CBA but I think your numbers are right.

It'd be nice if the contract is something like the first two years guaranteed, the third year half guaranteed and the final year completely unguaranteed.

[spurraider21]

If Reaves knew the lakers would match there’s literally no reason for him not to sign an offer sheet with someone else :lol

his agents failed to extract an offer. At least he got a player option in year 4. He may as well decline it now

[spurraider21]

That’s a bet I’ll give Mr. Body

if Reaves opts into that last year, you win. If Reaves opts out, i win

[TrueSpursFan]

What can the spurs get out of a Portland-Miami deal that would make them want to help facilitate as a 3rd party?

Give up 1st round pick and couple 2nd for Herro. Ideally only 5 second round picks and no 1st but that won’t be enough

[DPG21920]

Reaves was restricted and the Lakers couldn't give him any more than they did. If a team gave Reaves an offer, the Lakers could have waited until the 7th to match the offer and keep him. Apparently no team wanted their cap space to be in limbo for a week and most likely end up not getting Reaves at the end of that week.

Which is surprising given this FA class sucks and we have not seemingly seen the level of deals announced that we usually do. Theres tons of guys…not signed so what are these teams worried about exactly?

[EricB]

I hear SA native Jordan Clarkson could be moved by Jazz. Thoughts?

don’t know why they’d move him when they’re talking about an extension

[objective]

One reason agents are key to getting an offer sheet for Reaves is relationships and backscratching. You know, "If you can make it July 5 with $20m in cap please sign my guy to a 3/60. Or a 3+1. Do this for us knowing the Lakers will match and I'll help you out in a future draft steering a guy you want to you. Limiting workouts, skipping interviews, etc. And next time you're in a jam I can help you with a free agent"

But because Reaves has dollar store scrub agents, there's nothing there as far as trust or a relationship. Why would the Spurs want to work with them if not for screwing the Lakers? Could the Spurs even trust these wannabees to keep their word if the Spurs maintained cap?

Because I don't think the Spurs could trust them to not fold under the pressure. The Lakers probably wined and dined these nobodies who couldn't afford to eat at the nice restaurants they were eating at, and then threatened that the Lakers offer of 50 would be pulled and Reaves would fire them and get real agents and these guys folded in puddles of sweat.

Because their other clients are guys like:

Colin Castleton. - Coincidentally just signed a 2-way with the Lakers
Leon Ayers III - undrafted and so far unsigned in 2023
Shayne Whittington - played 2 years and 27 games in NBA last in 15-16. Played in Japan 2 years ago.
Dru Smith - was on a 2 way with Brooklyn, did not receive a qualifying offer. Will turn 26 in December, not a lot of high hopes for the future career.
Maalik Wayns - 32 years old, career ended in the Iranian League 3 years ago, now a high school coach

And Andrew Bynum is listed as a client who last signed a contract in 2013 as his career was winding down.

Hoopshype lists him with only 1 NBA player.

Bottom line I don't think the Spurs trusted this agency to do that kind of business with. Tying up your cap with the significant risk of these guys just signing with LA anyway ... Too much. This agency would be in no position to ever suffer the consequences from screwing SA over because they have no clients or relationships to value.

[lefty20]

Yes he has to sign the offer sheet but if he doesn't then the Lakers only have to offer the max 4/56 and not whatever said team's offer sheet raise. And he's from Arkansas. He would have signed an offer sheet here and risked a higher salary and a chance to play with the next generational talent with a decade championship window as opposed to the last generational talent with maybe 1 more championship year left.

I could be wrong, but didn't his agent warn teams not to draft him in the 2nd round because he wanted to take the two-way deal from Lakers?

I do agree that it would've been smart for him sign the sheet and force the Lakers to match. But Reaves doesn't seem interested in smaller markets at all. He's got that Kuzma mindset.

[DPG21920]

Herro sucks and his contract sucks…NO THANKS

[baseline bum]

I don't think there's a realistic chance that Lilliard comes here, it's seemed likely to be Miami for months. But...

If you can get him for a really low asset price I think it's worth it. Realistically, he's an elite offensive player, who'd be devastating in a pick and roll with Wemby.

I think the more realistic trade is realising that Herro is the main trade value piece (Ugh...Not a big fan, think he's overrated as hell), though Portland has no use in Herro alongside Simons, Scoot and Sharpe other than an asset - So they'd probably try and flip him immediately for a big / wing / draft picks.

Possible to see three team trade with:
Dame to Heat,
Herro to Spurs (or some other team looking for a guard upgrade, please not us)
Rest of Miami assets to Portland, Assets from third team to Portland.

Think I'd prefer Herro to Simons if I'm Portland. Similar statistically but Herro's got two inches on Simons and put up his numbers on a team trying to win games while Simons was tank commander once Dame shut it down this year as well as most of last year.

[Mr. Body]

You simps are gonna obsess over Reaves all summer, aren't you? It's going to be nonstop Austin Reaves. And then when he turns out to just be me ordinary shmo you're gonna pretend you never said a word about him.

Why does this happen every summer?

[Russ]

If Reaves knew the lakers would match there’s literally no reason for him not to sign an offer sheet with someone else :lol


Would be funny if the lakers had no intention of matching 4/100 but successfully bluffed everybody out of submitting any offer at all

"So, Austin, how lucky do you feel?"

[Mr. Body]

A lot of basketball world chatter claiming the Spurs will get in and trade picks for Herro.

Lol.

[JPB]

I think high level - we could have seen Sa in on some of these opportunities OKC/DET got in on for their cap space that yielded better ROI than Cedi deal for example. Outside of that, IF the Cedi deal was truly to reach floor, easily could have just signed McDaniels or Grant or someone that is actually a remotely interesting player to accomplish the same goal while getting something more valuable than another 2nd; a legit player with a spark of upside

Beyond that, there were opportunities like Reaves or trades like Obi Toppin (again, I think SA can’t worry about fit too much, just look for value and talent at this point especially when cost is cap space and 2 2nds or less which we have a million of).

All small things and maybe they do sign McDaniels for example to a decent 1 year deal and it shows Cedi deal was smart business to a degree vs just money…its fluid. But they have definitely been less opportunistic this off season after landing Wemby than other teams in similar scenarios (INDY, DET, OKC)

Looks like no one offered Reaves more than he got in LA.

I believe spurs are commited to the players they have and privilege continuity, or actually not changing anything to the good atmosphere in that team that Wemby himself mentioned...

Spurs are hyper precautious, since adding any or several of the players you mention implies cutting time or "doghousing" some in the current roster and maybe messing up with the good vibe with one or two vets who may not fit the identity of that group.. Spurs probebly want to make everything to privilege Wemby's comfort so he can be in the best conditions to develop, while trying to see who among the youngsters or 'bargain bin" guys could stick... Developing the team via FA may be for the next 2-3 years.

Now saying this, they may still make a move.

[SPURt]

Suspicious the Lillard trade news breaks and then AR signs on the cheap with the Lakers :lol

[DPG21920]

Looks like no one offered Reaves more than he got in LA.

I believe spurs are commited to the players they have and privilege continuity, or actually not changing anything to the good atmosphere in that team that Wemby himself mentioned...

Spurs are hyper precautious, since adding any or several of the players you mention implies cutting time or "doghousing" some in the current roster and maybe messing up with the good vibe with one or two players who may not fit the identity of that group.. Spurs want to make everything to privilege Wemby's comfort so he can be in the best conditions to develop, while trying to see who among the youngsters or 'bargain bin" guys could stick... Developing the team via FA may be for the next 2-3 years.

They could do all that an still take on the deals DET/OKC did for better ROI and then just cut players for example…or trade Doug for a legit good asset and then sign someone to replace him for example

Lots of ways vs just squandering any real opportunities with all the assets (moving up in draft for example). Im not second guessing Spurs overall; they have done a great job as I said. Just feels a bit like they aren’t the most creative bunch at times but no biggie

[baseline bum]

Would be funny if the lakers had no intention of matching 4/100 but successfully bluffed everybody out of submitting any offer at all

Not funny, that's exactly what happened most likely.

[BatManu20]

Pass on Herro. His contract isn’t ideal. His defense, while improved, still isn’t good either. And his court-side wardrobe when he’s not playing is atrocious. He is a good offensive player though. I’ll give him that. 20 PPG scorers on 50% efficiency and 38% from 3 don’t grow on trees.

[baseline bum]

A lot of basketball world chatter claiming the Spurs will get in and trade picks for Herro.

Lol.

Fuck that shit. Save those picks to go out and get someone good in a year or two.

[Russ]

A lot of basketball world chatter claiming the Spurs will get in and trade picks for Herro.

Lol.

That would be almost too good to be true. But couldn't the Spurs use their salary cap space, too?

[RD2191]

Not funny, that's exactly what happened most likely.

:lol

[Chinook]

Herro is not horrible, but they should've max Reaves if they wanted a shooter. I'd also prefer Simons if the Spurs were truly going to be in that deal.

[Mr. Body]

Fuck that shit. Save those picks to go out and get someone good in a year or two.

I don't think the Spurs would take Herro even for free. Just another nasty contract. The Heat is great at generating them.

[Mr. Body]

Herro is not horrible, but they should've max Reaves if they wanted a shooter. I'd also prefer Simons if the Spurs were truly going to be in that deal.

THEY WERE NEVER GETTING REAVES. EVEN THE REAVES CAMP ADMITS THIS. MOVE THE FUCK ON.

[DPG21920]

Herro is not horrible, but they should've max Reaves if they wanted a shooter. I'd also prefer Simons if the Spurs were truly going to be in that deal.

He’s not horrible in the context that guys like Jamal Crawford etc are not horrible but they are empty calories guys that I just dont value much personally. Especially at a premium contract.

[Russ]

He’s not horrible in the context that guys like Jamal Crawford etc are not horrible but they are empty calories guys that I just dont value much personally. Especially at a premium contract.

What is Herro's contract?

[Kurik]

THEY WERE NEVER GETTING REAVES. EVEN THE REAVES CAMP ADMITS THIS. MOVE THE FUCK ON.

You’re the one playing seek and destroy on any Reaves post. :rollin

[scott]

You simps are gonna obsess over Reaves all summer, aren't you? It's going to be nonstop Austin Reaves. And then when he turns out to just be me ordinary shmo you're gonna pretend you never said a word about him.

Why does this happen every summer?

"Obsess"

It's not obsessing. It's discussion on a message board. I mean, I guess we could be starting 10 paragraph threads to once again state how much we love Anthony Black (in the event you missed the 800 other posts about it), but instead we're discussing a relevant timely topic. No one here is slitting their wrists because we didn't get Austin Reaves, we're merely discussing a free agent in a thread about free agency. The discussion obviously has little appeal to you, so why not just stay out of it?

You start some good discussions, but why the need to come around and shit on every discussion that doesn't align with your worldview? Is your life really this pathetic?

[scott]

One reason agents are key to getting an offer sheet for Reaves is relationships and backscratching. You know, "If you can make it July 5 with $20m in cap please sign my guy to a 3/60. Or a 3+1. Do this for us knowing the Lakers will match and I'll help you out in a future draft steering a guy you want to you. Limiting workouts, skipping interviews, etc. And next time you're in a jam I can help you with a free agent"

But because Reaves has dollar store scrub agents, there's nothing there as far as trust or a relationship. Why would the Spurs want to work with them if not for screwing the Lakers? Could the Spurs even trust these wannabees to keep their word if the Spurs maintained cap?

Because I don't think the Spurs could trust them to not fold under the pressure. The Lakers probably wined and dined these nobodies who couldn't afford to eat at the nice restaurants they were eating at, and then threatened that the Lakers offer of 50 would be pulled and Reaves would fire them and get real agents and these guys folded in puddles of sweat.

Because their other clients are guys like:

Colin Castleton. - Coincidentally just signed a 2-way with the Lakers
Leon Ayers III - undrafted and so far unsigned in 2023
Shayne Whittington - played 2 years and 27 games in NBA last in 15-16. Played in Japan 2 years ago.
Dru Smith - was on a 2 way with Brooklyn, did not receive a qualifying offer. Will turn 26 in December, not a lot of high hopes for the future career.
Maalik Wayns - 32 years old, career ended in the Iranian League 3 years ago, now a high school coach

And Andrew Bynum is listed as a client who last signed a contract in 2013 as his career was winding down.

Hoopshype lists him with only 1 NBA player.

Bottom line I don't think the Spurs trusted this agency to do that kind of business with. Tying up your cap with the significant risk of these guys just signing with LA anyway ... Too much. This agency would be in no position to ever suffer the consequences from screwing SA over because they have no clients or relationships to value.

Great explanation of the value of agency, especially for those who seem to think that agents are just glorified secretaries.

[ace3g]

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Rockets are nearing a deal with Dillon Brooks, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Houston has been lining up trades around league, and could turn Brooks deal into sign-and-trade with Memphis.

[r0drig0lac]

Brooks in the rox

[Leetonidas]

"Obsess"

It's not obsessing. It's discussion on a message board. I mean, I guess we could be starting 10 paragraph threads to once again state how much we love Anthony Black (in the event you missed the 800 other posts about it), but instead we're discussing a relevant timely topic. No one here is slitting their wrists because we didn't get Austin Reaves, we're merely discussing a free agent in a thread about free agency. The discussion obviously has little appeal to you, so why not just stay out of it?

You start some good discussions, but why the need to come around and shit on every discussion that doesn't align with your worldview? Is your life really this pathetic?

Dude spends months on end talking in circles about hypothetical draft picks the Spurs never had any intention of going after yet claims everyone else is "obsessed" :lol dudes just a giant fucking dickhead

[DPG21920]

What is Herro's contract?

27M this year, 29M next, 31 next & 33M 4th year. Fully guaranteed

[Russ]

27M this year, 29M next, 31 next & 33M 4th year. Fully guaranteed

Thanks, thought it was way lower than that -- since he hasn't been in the league all that long.

[Ditty]

The Rockets might be the least likeable shitty basketball team this season :lol

[k830713]

Tyler Herro, Keldon Johnson and PJ. Washington - Kentucky

[offset formation]

don’t know why they’d move him when they’re talking about an extension

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jordan-clarkson-jazz-contract-trade-rumor

[poopbox]

A lot of basketball world chatter claiming the Spurs will get in and trade picks for Herro.

Lol.

Herro got the kind of contract you give up picks to get off of.

Imagine having Victor and the number 2 player to him is tyler fucking herro:vomit:

[SpursFan86]

Hope the Rockets getting Brooks in a S&T means he’s about to get a massive contract :lol $65MM a year for FVV and Brooks…please make it happen.

[ace3g]

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Front offices talking to Portland today were left with impression that GM Joe Cronin is pursuing a star-level return package for Damian Lillard – and that Cronin plans to look well beyond the Miami Heat to find one.


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)

Blazers’ Joe Cronin: “We have been clear that we want Dame here but he notified us today he wants out and he’d prefer to play someplace else. What has not changed for us is that we’re committed to winning, and we are going to do what’s best for the team in pursuit of that goal.”

[BacktoBasics]

Herro is not horrible, but they should've max Reaves if they wanted a shooter. I'd also prefer Simons if the Spurs were truly going to be in that deal.

Since you see him as a max value please predict his season next year.

[DPG21920]

God I would love Maxey from PHI - please trade Dame there so there’s an actual chance SA as a third team can get something good.

[ace3g]

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With trade conversations that would send Damian Lillard to the Miami Heat, Portland has the goal of finding a third team for Tyler Herro, league sources told @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

[BacktoBasics]

27M this year, 29M next, 31 next & 33M 4th year. Fully guaranteed

No way. That’s too much and for too long.

[scott]

27M this year, 29M next, 31 next & 33M 4th year. Fully guaranteed

I think it makes a lot of sense, with any FA, to start thinking in terms of % of the Cap. The new CBA and 10% annual cap increases is going to result in players getting deals that seem mind blowing for guys who have been following the league for 30 years, but in reality aren't that far off from deals of the past.

For example, Danny Green's $10MM salary in 2015/16 when the salary cap was $70MM was 14.3% of the cap.

Tyler Herro's $33MM salary in 2026-27 will be 18.2% of the cap.

Danny Green's salary in 2023-24 at 14.3% of the cap would have been $19.5MM.

We see things like Jak making $20MM/year and think it's a huge number... but Jak really just got Danny Green's deal.

I'm not saying this to argue that Herro's contract is right, just pointing out some important context. (Also worth noting, we are currently paying Keldon - our highest paid player - below a Danny Green level deal)

[Dejounte]

"Obsess"

It's not obsessing. It's discussion on a message board. I mean, I guess we could be starting 10 paragraph threads to once again state how much we love Anthony Black (in the event you missed the 800 other posts about it), but instead we're discussing a relevant timely topic. No one here is slitting their wrists because we didn't get Austin Reaves, we're merely discussing a free agent in a thread about free agency. The discussion obviously has little appeal to you, so why not just stay out of it?

You start some good discussions, but why the need to come around and shit on every discussion that doesn't align with your worldview? Is your life really this pathetic?

I’m trying to skip over the posts where Body gets into his mood and cries like a fucking baby but there has been too fucking many. Just shut the fuck up already and let people post what they want to post. Jesus Christ

[Mr. Body]

"Obsess"

It's not obsessing. It's discussion on a message board. I mean, I guess we could be starting 10 paragraph threads to once again state how much we love Anthony Black (in the event you missed the 800 other posts about it), but instead we're discussing a relevant timely topic. No one here is slitting their wrists because we didn't get Austin Reaves, we're merely discussing a free agent in a thread about free agency. The discussion obviously has little appeal to you, so why not just stay out of it?

You start some good discussions, but why the need to come around and shit on every discussion that doesn't align with your worldview? Is your life really this pathetic?

You fanatics are STILL talking about a guy the team never had a chance of landing.

If this was a college sorority it might stand a chance of being adorable.

As it stands it's starting to look psychotic.

[td4mvp2k]

Herro sucks and his contract sucks…NO THANKS
they can always flip him

[Mr. Body]

Posters of Austin Reaves on your walls, lots of crusty socks laying around.

[Mr. Body]

they can always flip him

No one wants Herro as it is. How easy was it to flip John Collins?

[TrueSpursFan]

they can always flip him
Either now or next season when you hope he plays above that contract. Either way, the amount is not the issue, it’s the length of it that contract. If it were 2 years left, would anyone be opposed?

[RC_Drunkford]

Watch the Raptors trying to get into this

[scott]

Since you see him as a max value please predict his season next year.

I don't want to back away from this since I've been part of this Reaves discussion too and don't think 4/100 is that bad of a deal for him (I do think it is a bit of an overpay, but overpaying is what the Spurs need to do to get FAs. I say 4/80 like Keldon is his true value. 4/56 is a steal).

Since he is playing on the Lakers, I'll predict 16/4/4 next season with slightly improved advanced stats on around 28 mpg (like he was at this year). I think his stats would have been higher on the Spurs where he would have been a 2nd or 3rd option, but on the Lakers he'll likely be the 4th option.

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Rockets are nearing a deal with Dillon Brooks, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Houston has been lining up trades around league, and could turn Brooks deal into sign-and-trade with Memphis.

:rollin

[DPG21920]

I think it makes a lot of sense, with any FA, to start thinking in terms of % of the Cap. The new CBA and 10% annual cap increases is going to result in players getting deals that seem mind blowing for guys who have been following the league for 30 years, but in reality aren't that far off from deals of the past.

For example, Danny Green's $10MM salary in 2015/16 when the salary cap was $70MM was 14.3% of the cap.

Tyler Herro's $33MM salary in 2026-27 will be 18.2% of the cap.

Danny Green's salary in 2023-24 at 14.3% of the cap would have been $19.5MM.

We see things like Jak making $20MM/year and think it's a huge number... but Jak really just got Danny Green's deal.

I'm not saying this to argue that Herro's contract is right, just pointing out some important context. (Also worth noting, we are currently paying Keldon - our highest paid player - below a Danny Green level deal)

Agree - and I do factor that in personally (but that’s a good point for everyone to keep in mind as we see eye popping nominal numbers)

[DPG21920]

they can always flip him

I dont see a way he improves his value here. He was in a great situation in MIA and its not been great post contract….too much risk not enough reward IMVHO….Vassell>Herro IMO

Branham could be better too (not now obviously but in like 2 years)

[DPG21920]

Reeves > Herro - so ya, I’d rather have paid Reeves 25M than Herro 30M personally

[Chinook]

THEY WERE NEVER GETTING REAVES. EVEN THE REAVES CAMP ADMITS THIS. MOVE THE FUCK ON.

Calm down , man. No one cares if they were going to get Reaves. That doesn't mean I can't find the idea of them trading for Herro to be a worse prospect to having signed him. The only person getting riled up about Reaves or Collins is you.

[td4mvp2k]

No one wants Herro as it is. How easy was it to flip John Collins?
i disagre. dont compare him to a center who cant shoot.

[spurraider21]

We could always attach like 6 second rounders to get off Herro and still have 15 left

[BacktoBasics]

I don't want to back away from this since I've been part of this Reaves discussion too and don't think 4/100 is that bad of a deal for him (I do think it is a bit of an overpay, but overpaying is what the Spurs need to do to get FAs. I say 4/80 like Keldon is his true value. 4/56 is a steal).

Since he is playing on the Lakers, I'll predict 16/4/4 next season with slightly improved advanced stats on around 28 mpg (like he was at this year). I think his stats would have been higher on the Spurs where he would have been a 2nd or 3rd option, but on the Lakers he'll likely be the 4th option.

25 million a year for 16/4/4? I actually don’t think those numbers are a stretch for him. At 56 million that stat line is a fair value but at 100 million it would be underwhelming in my opinion.

[objective]

Great explanation of the value of agency, especially for those who seem to think that agents are just glorified secretaries.

Yeah, and even though I could be 100% wrong, I do think trust with agencies might have been key here.

They got screwed bad by Marcus Morris. Rich Paul distanced himself from the disaster and put it all on Morris and then worked with the Spurs on Trey Lyles. They gave up assets based on the verbal agreement, and were burned.

Afterwards, pop was quoted as saying this,

""It was more than difficult to lose Davis (Bertans), let's just say that was an unfortunate situation that was handled unprofessionally on a couple of different levels,"

So I think being professional and having trust is a big issue with them. Could they trust this one agency from New Jersey with one client to risk the asset of cap space until the moratorium was over?

[timvp]

Yeah, Tyler Herro's contract isn't that bad. I'm sure there are multiple teams out there that grade him as a positive value.

For the Spurs? Nah, don't like the fit. Too one-dimensional and I want the offensive pecking order to be clear during Wemby's rookie season. Adding Herro would cause a lot of commotion in that regard.

[scott]

I put Herro in the same camp as Dame. Not my preferred option, but wouldn't hate it if that's the direction we went - especially if we gave up minimal assets to do it as part of facilitating the Dame deal.

He's a young, proven 20ppg scorer (on a good team, not a tanking team) with high eFG% and 3P%. Though his contract is high (but not *that* much higher than a proposed Devin extension), it still doesn't kill us due to the fact we have so many guys on rookie deals. (Don't think Dame's really kills us either for this same reason). We still would have tons of FRPs to find a second star (or combine to trade for one).

How realistically could Herro start at PG?

I feel like Herro is a better player than Devin - which I could be wrong about because I don't profess to be an expert on Tyler Herro - and if that is true, then his contract isn't really that terrible in the context of the new CBA. And after two years he does become more tradeable (his contract, while not declining, does decline in terms of % of cap, and with only two years left he'd be easier to get off if necessary).

[duncan2150]

Reeves > Herro - so ya, I’d rather have paid Reeves 25M than Herro 30M personally

imo herro's ceilling is better that reaves, way better offensive player in my opinion but maybe same level on d, playmaking looks on reaves side but herro is a good passer and ballhander

the contract is huge and i don't really see the fit tough

[td4mvp2k]

I dont see a way he improves his value here. He was in a great situation in MIA and its not been great post contract….too much risk not enough reward IMVHO….Vassell>Herro IMO

Branham could be better too (not now obviously but in like 2 years)
miami doesnt have wemby. he's been dealing with injuries past couple years. they would put him on the same rehab program as collins. who says he couldnt play with vassell.

[scott]

25 million a year for 16/4/4? I actually don’t think those numbers are a stretch for him. At 56 million that stat line is a fair value but at 100 million it would be underwhelming in my opinion.

I think it goes back to my other point that 4/100 isn't that huge of a contract anymore with the new CBA. I think 16/4/4 is massively overperforming a 4/56 deal (4/56 is $14MM/year which is just slightly over the MLE at this point)

[scott]

Yeah, and even though I could be 100% wrong, I do think trust with agencies might have been key here.

They got screwed bad by Marcus Morris. Rich Paul distanced himself from the disaster and put it all on Morris and then worked with the Spurs on Trey Lyles. They gave up assets based on the verbal agreement, and were burned.

Afterwards, pop was quoted as saying this,

""It was more than difficult to lose Davis (Bertans), let's just say that was an unfortunate situation that was handled unprofessionally on a couple of different levels,"

So I think being professional and having trust is a big issue with them. Could they trust this one agency from New Jersey with one client to risk the asset of cap space until the moratorium was over?

Definitely a hugely underrated aspect of the business of the NBA. It's not 2k where you just push a button and an offer is official and immediately accepted/rejected. Relationships matter.

[Degoat]

I would love Hero tbh but alas spurs ain’t gonna do Jack squat lol they’re gonna roll with what they got

[objective]

Herro is a negative asset. Going to need some first round compensation and I still won't like it.

[duncan2150]

Herro is a negative asset. Going to need some first round compensation and I still won't like it.

a guy who averages 20/5/4 while shooting '44% 38% on threes ( 8 per game) on a playoff team is negative ? Contract is huge but i can't call this guy a negative asset

[MannyIsGod]

200 dollar wager.

Reaves has to average 30mpg for the regular season for you to win.

If Lakers end up as a bottom 10 team or tied for bottom 10 record then it’s a push.

I’d like a minimum games played stipulation as well. He needs to play at least 62 games.

Sound good?

62 games is way too high. What does taht have to do with him playing 30mpg? If he plays 30 mpg for half the season and does well but tears an ACL then wtf? Bro this started out as him playing 30 mpg and you keep adding stuff!

[Mr. Body]

Houston trading for Patty Mills.

[MannyIsGod]

You simps are gonna obsess over Reaves all summer, aren't you? It's going to be nonstop Austin Reaves. And then when he turns out to just be me ordinary shmo you're gonna pretend you never said a word about him.

Why does this happen every summer?

This is you projecting because you are wrong so fucking often and ten just move on like nothing ever happened. You can't help but tell on yourself. God damn. Just chill man. It's not even been 24 fucking hours. Let people talk about the shit that's literally happening right now without being such a miserable fuck about it.

[ace3g]

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Rockets are finalizing a deal to acquire Brooklyn’s Patty Mills via trade, sources tell me and @KellyIko (https://twitter.com/KellyIko/).

[Mr. Body]

Herro is like Lillard, if his contact was two years shorter... maybe.

But then I can imagine Wemby rolling to the basket and Herro chucking it anyway.

[Dejounte]

1675257589813346304

[tonight...you]

You fanatics are STILL talking about a guy the team never had a chance of landing.

If this was a college sorority it might stand a chance of being adorable.

As it stands it's starting to look psychotic.
You being so obsessed over this topic of what other people want makes you look psychotic.

[ace3g]

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Free agent G Dillon Brooks has agreed on a four-year, $80 million contract with the Houston Rockets, his agent Mike George of @OneLegacySports (https://twitter.com/OneLegacySports/) tells ESPN. Rockets have now landed two targets in free agency — Fred VanVleet and Brooks.

[MannyIsGod]

Dude spends months on end talking in circles about hypothetical draft picks the Spurs never had any intention of going after yet claims everyone else is "obsessed" :lol dudes just a giant fucking dickhead

For real though.

[timvp]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Free agent G Dillon Brooks has agreed on a four-year, $80 million contract with the Houston Rockets, his agent Mike George of @OneLegacySports (https://twitter.com/OneLegacySports/) tells ESPN. Rockets have now landed two targets in free agency — Fred VanVleet and Brooks.

:lol Rockets

[Mr. Body]

This is you projecting because you are wrong so fucking often and ten just move on like nothing ever happened. You can't help but tell on yourself. God damn. Just chill man. It's not even been 24 fucking hours. Let people talk about the shit that's literally happening right now without being such a miserable fuck about it.

When have I been as wrong as you?

Damn, I have the temerity to point out that Austin "Beatiful Man" Reaves was never coming here and it's like I kicked your mother in the balls.

[Mr. Body]

You being so obsessed over this topic of what other people want makes you look psychotic.

I would be overjoyed to stop talking about this guy. Please let that happen. Please.

[BatManu20]

Jock Landale to the Rockets.

[r0drig0lac]

Rox got all

[BacktoBasics]

62 games is way too high. What does taht have to do with him playing 30mpg? If he plays 30 mpg for half the season and does well but tears an ACL then wtf? Bro this started out as him playing 30 mpg and you keep adding stuff!
I mention some kind of minimum games played from the get go. Mainly because I don’t see him as a consistent 30mpg player. If 62 is too high then what’s reasonable.

I’m not trying to be difficult but if this guy starts the season and gets injured after 30 games we really don’t get to see the point I was trying to make that he wasn’t going to sustain significant minutes over a full season.

[ace3g]

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Free agent Jock Landale has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal with the Houston Rockets, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Agents Sammy Wloszczowski and Michael Lelchitski of @SIGSports (https://twitter.com/SIGSports/) negotiated the new contract for Landale.

[timvp]

1675257589813346304

No, no, no, this will be beautiful. Keep vibing, Rockets :tu

[timvp]

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Free agent Jock Landale has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal with the Houston Rockets, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Agents Sammy Wloszczowski and Michael Lelchitski of @SIGSports (https://twitter.com/SIGSports/) negotiated the new contract for Landale.

:lmao Rockets

[BatManu20]

Seeing Patty in a Rockets jersey will suck.

[Dejounte]

When have I been as wrong as you?

Damn, I have the temerity to point out that Austin "Beatiful Man" Reaves was never coming here and it's like I kicked your mother in the balls.

When EVERYBODY is complaining about you, YOU’RE the one who is wrong. Not everyone else. Just fucking stop already you crazy bastard

[r0drig0lac]

Landale is a rich man now

[timvp]

Rockets gave $130 million to Fred VanVleet, $80 million to Dillon Brooks and $32 million to Jock Landale. I'm literally laughing out loud, tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

When have I been as wrong as you?

Damn, I have the temerity to point out that Austin "Beatiful Man" Reaves was never coming here and it's like I kicked your mother in the balls.

Just recently? I mean you were wrong that they were going to trade Dejounte. You were wrong when you laughed when I told you that the Spurs at 5-2 were not good. You were wrong when you kept insisting - just like you are today - that the Spurs were not tanking. This is just me off the top of my fucking dome dude. Do you really want me to go on?

You're literally wrong all the fucking time.

[emanueldavidginobili]

4 years 80 million for Brooks is pure comedy hahaha, what a travesty.

[duncan2150]

What 32 for jock ?

[Mr. Body]

When EVERYBODY is complaining about you, YOU’RE the one who is wrong. Not everyone else. Just fucking stop already you crazy bastard

I'm wrong about what?

What am I wrong about?

That the Spurs could have gotten Austin Reaves?

Really?

Who, who, is the gaggle of obsessed idiots here? Seriously, you little fanbois need to take stock of yourselves. It's exceptionally pathetic at this point.

[BatManu20]

No Matter how annoyed we ever get with our sometimes drab Front Office, just be glad we’re not the Houston fucking Rockets :lol

[Robz4000]

:lol Rockets

[LeBowen]

Inevitable Rockets meltdown over the next few seasons will be glorious to watch.

Just amazing that someone can make a living off basketball and even think those deals could be worth it.

[BatManu20]

Rockets gave $130 million to Fred VanVleet, $80 million to Dillon Brooks and $32 million to Jock Landale. I'm literally laughing out loud, tbh.

Only the first year of Landale’s contract is guaranteed tbh. The FVV and especially Dillon Brooks contracts are atrocious though.

[Dejounte]

I'm wrong about what?

What am I wrong about?

That the Spurs could have gotten Austin Reaves?

Really?

Who, who, is the gaggle of obsessed idiots here? Seriously, you little fanbois need to take stock of yourselves. It's exceptionally pathetic at this point.

Wrong about your entire meltdown in this thread, you dimwit. I’m not even referring to Reaves. You’ve gone off the rails, psycho. Go take a nap and come back. Take your blood pressure pills.

[Jordan Jackson]

I’m genuinely baffled at what the Rockets are doing. Them not winning the lottery really but them in a death spiral. Don’t get me wrong, I’m enjoying it. But it is kind of sad to watch.

[Mr. Body]

Id rather talk about the Rockets and have wanted to since they sold two SR picks to get rid of two previous FR picks.

[MannyIsGod]

Rockets gave $130 million to Fred VanVleet, $80 million to Dillon Brooks and $32 million to Jock Landale. I'm literally laughing out loud, tbh.

The more I think about the VanVleet signing I don't mind it, honestly. it's only 3 years and while its an overpay for him, he's still a very good player and actually fits well with their talent. It brings in a title winner who can help set good culture. But the Brooks signing undoes half the good shit of the VanVleet signing and holy shit at the Landale contract.

[BatManu20]

Udoka prob wondering what the hell he just got himself into :lol

[Mr. Body]

Wrong about your entire meltdown in this thread, you dimwit. I’m not even referring to Reaves. You’ve gone off the rails, psycho. Go take a nap and come back. Take your blood pressure pills.

I melted down? I just want you dipshits to take care of yourselves. This amount of fanatic devotion to a guy from Arkansas is seriously disturbing. Have you spoken to your family? I assume you're taking time off from work?

[timvp]

Only the first year of Landale’s contract is guaranteed tbh. The FVV and Dillon Brooks contracts are atrocious though.

Not going to read this until I stop laughing. BRB.

[RC_Drunkford]

When have I been as wrong as you?

Damn, I have the temerity to point out that Austin "Beatiful Man" Reaves was never coming here and it's like I kicked your mother in the balls.

yesterday when you said Dennis Schröder is a good defender when his defensive rating is worse than Lonnie Walker‘s :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Udoka prob wondering what the hell he just got himself into :lol

Actually seems like this is more the direction Udoka wanted rather than getting Harden.

[K...]

can we force to heat to give us lowery?

[scott]

On one hand you can be the Spurs, and be super conservative to the point of frustrating your fans at times.

On the other hand, you can be the Rockets, and go full Leroy Jenkins-style balls to the wall all-in on Fred Van Vleet, Dillon Brooks, and Jock Landale. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

WTF is Udoka doing in Houston? :lmao

[ace3g]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675271712173113345)
Free agent Russell Westbrook has agreed on a two-year, nearly $8M deal to stay with the Clippers, agent Jeff Schwartz of @excelbasketball (https://twitter.com/excelbasketball/) tells ESPN. Deal includes player option. Clippers were eager to bring back 9-time All-Star after his late season run as starting point guard.

[scott]

Whether it is 2/8 or 2/16, that seems like a pretty good deal for Russ!

[K...]

If the spurs tampered hard for LUKA i would respect them. Not like Dallas likes us and we'd waste a relationship, and they'd get fair value with our assets.

I can say the same about giannis but i think he stays loyal in his late career and they resigned their core guys.

Who else would we want to throw the bag out in the near term?

[MannyIsGod]

I like how the homie asked when he was wrong and then never acknowledged any of the answers lol.

[objective]

a guy who averages 20/5/4 while shooting '44% 38% on threes ( 8 per game) on a playoff team is negative ? Contract is huge but i can't call this guy a negative asset

I posted in haste without giving it enough contemplative thought.

It was a gut reaction to the situation where Miami didn't seem to miss him at all on its way to the finals. I don't think positive assets in general can be so easily replaced as Herro seemed to be.

But I probably should watch a lot more Herro specific video to make up my mind.

Still don't like the idea that a team can have 4/120 in street clothes and have some undrafted free agents fill the role just fine.

[Ariel]

The more I think about the VanVleet signing I don't mind it, honestly. it's only 3 years and while its an overpay for him, he's still a very good player and actually fits well with their talent. It brings in a title winner who can help set good culture. But the Brooks signing undoes half the good shit of the VanVleet signing and holy shit at the Landale contract.
I'm far from a fan of VanVleet, but if it was 2 years, I'd agree. They don't have much options and they need him to provide some leadership and structure. That third year may be costly though, it's a lot of money and might hurt them in the FA class of '25 that's projected to be very juicy. Works for us, though.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol The Rockets

[MannyIsGod]

I mention some kind of minimum games played from the get go. Mainly because I don’t see him as a consistent 30mpg player. If 62 is too high then what’s reasonable.

I’m not trying to be difficult but if this guy starts the season and gets injured after 30 games we really don’t get to see the point I was trying to make that he wasn’t going to sustain significant minutes over a full season.

Ok I'm good with 50 games then. What happens if he plays under 50? A push?

[r0drig0lac]

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/rockets-nearing-deal-for-dillon-brooks-update-4-yrs-80-million.320289/

lol, enjoy

[Joseph Kony]

Mrs. Body getting regulated :lol

[Joseph Kony]

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/rockets-nearing-deal-for-dillon-brooks-update-4-yrs-80-million.320289/

lol, enjoy

from dreaming of Wemby to paying 200M to Fred Van Vleet and Dillon fucking Brooks :lmao :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Honestly, dont know which sucks more:

The Rockets with tons of money/space - going after every swinging dick -

or

The Spurs with tons of money/space - and being petrified to spend any of it ...

[scott]

Looks like the most the Clippers could possibly offer Russ was $3.8MM this year, so it is a 2/8 deal. That's pretty good. Seems like Russ is accepting the fact that he needs to transition to a role player at this point in his career.

[Mr. Body]

I'll say my last bit on Mr. Bright Eyes, and I mean this sincerely and not just throwing names at each other.

- It's not that you guys, and too many of you guys, fall in love with players. We all do. That's part of being a fan.

- It's not even that you consistenly pick really bad choices to become obsessed. Like, it's almost guaranteed that a ST obsession will be a bad pick:

Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
Deandre Ayton
John Collins

These are the four biggest obsessions of ST in the last decade or whatever. And they are terrible, terrible picks their teams are desparate to move for years. Years. Yet every time they come up, the same people are obsessed with getting them.

At some point you have to legitimately question how you evaluate this stuff.

But... that's not the point. The obsession is. You're crying and breaking glass with your wails over not getting Mr. Bright Eyes. A lot of "this is the worst offseason ever" comments, "we're going to be terrible" comments. And I just know we're going to hear about Mr. Bright Eyes for a long, long time to come, because for some reason ST cannot leave these players alone -- along with the ones above.

So, it's not really the players a number of this board flocks to like pigeons, it's the obsession. I know you'll hate on me for saying so, for some reason, but it's really absurd.

[024]

Damn Lakers got a steal for Reaves. Only 14M/yr and locked in for 4 years?? Wonder how much Jeanie paid Holt Jr not to make an offer.

[mo7888]

Honestly, dont know which sucks more:

The Rockets with tons of money/space - going after every swinging dick -

or

The Spurs with tons of money/space - and being petrified to spend any of it ...

I'm pretty sure it's the Sprockets...

[Obstructed_View]

If Reaves knew the lakers would match there’s literally no reason for him not to sign an offer sheet with someone else :lol

his agents failed to extract an offer. At least he got a player option in year 4. He may as well decline it now

A good agent would have at least made him wait to accept it.

[Mr. Body]

I was going to suggest Jock as a guy to give a nice one year to, but the Rockets have gone plaid.

[ChumpDumper]

Honestly, dont know which sucks more:

The Rockets with tons of money/space - going after every swinging dick -

or

The Spurs with tons of money/space - and being petrified to spend any of it ...

Maybe. Most of the signings look like iffy fits for us at best for too much money -- OTOH we're going to end up crossing the floor finish line with a Mo Bamba signing.

[scott]

1675256989469876224

:lol

[Obstructed_View]

I’m genuinely baffled at what the Rockets are doing.

They are literally doing what many Spurs fans seem to wish the Spurs would do: Draft for the sake of drafting and spend cap money for the sake of spending.

[mo7888]

I'll say my last bit on Mr. Bright Eyes, and I mean this sincerely and not just throwing names at each other.

- It's not that you guys, and too many of you guys, fall in love with players. We all do. That's part of being a fan.

- It's not even that you consistenly pick really bad choices to become obsessed. Like, it's almost guaranteed that a ST obsession will be a bad pick:

Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
Deandre Ayton
John Collins

These are the four biggest obsessions of ST in the last decade or whatever. And they are terrible, terrible picks their teams are desparate to move for years. Years. Yet every time they come up, the same people are obsessed with getting them.

At some point you have to legitimately question how you evaluate this stuff.

But... that's not the point. The obsession is. You're crying and breaking glass with your wails over not getting Mr. Bright Eyes. A lot of "this is the worst offseason ever" comments, "we're going to be terrible" comments. And I just know we're going to hear about Mr. Bright Eyes for a long, long time to come, because for some reason ST cannot leave these players alone -- along with the ones above.

So, it's not really the players a number of this board flocks to like pigeons, it's the obsession. I know you'll hate on me for saying so, for some reason, but it's really absurd.

I hope this is my last post on the topic (so I'll keep it short). You're moving the goal posts again and trying to gloss over it with past players that some on the board wanted.

Hardly anyone here expected us to be able to get Reaves. Would we be happy if we signed him and LA didn't match? Absolutely.... but we're not upset we didnt get him...we're upset that we didn't sign him and force LA to choose between paying more and hurting their cap 3 years from now or pissing off their fanbase now. That's what it boils down to, so you're missing it when you keep claiming everyone is "crying over not getting a player".

[RC_Drunkford]

Honestly, dont know which sucks more:

The Rockets with tons of money/space - going after every swinging dick -

or

The Spurs with tons of money/space - and being petrified to spend any of it ...

definitely the Rockets

[Obstructed_View]

Honestly, dont know which sucks more:

The Rockets with tons of money/space - going after every swinging dick -

or

The Spurs with tons of money/space - and being petrified to spend any of it ...
We can revisit when the Spurs get an opportunity to really improve the team and possess the resources to make it happen.

[BacktoBasics]

Ok I'm good with 50 games then. What happens if he plays under 50? A push?

Yeah a push.

So here’s the wager.

200 dollars.

Reaves has to average 30.0 mpg or greater. Minimum 50 games.

If the Lakers end the season as a bottom 10 team tied or worse it’s a push.

If he plays less that 50 games it’s a push.

Do you want a provision if he’s traded?

[K...]

I'll say my last bit on Mr. Bright Eyes, and I mean this sincerely and not just throwing names at each other.

- It's not that you guys, and too many of you guys, fall in love with players. We all do. That's part of being a fan.

- It's not even that you consistenly pick really bad choices to become obsessed. Like, it's almost guaranteed that a ST obsession will be a bad pick:

Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
Deandre Ayton
John Collins

These are the four biggest obsessions of ST in the last decade or whatever. And they are terrible, terrible picks their teams are desparate to move for years. Years. Yet every time they come up, the same people are obsessed with getting them.

At some point you have to legitimately question how you evaluate this stuff.

But... that's not the point. The obsession is. You're crying and breaking glass with your wails over not getting Mr. Bright Eyes. A lot of "this is the worst offseason ever" comments, "we're going to be terrible" comments. And I just know we're going to hear about Mr. Bright Eyes for a long, long time to come, because for some reason ST cannot leave these players alone -- along with the ones above.

So, it's not really the players a number of this board flocks to like pigeons, it's the obsession. I know you'll hate on me for saying so, for some reason, but it's really absurd.

there;s always a counterfactual that a player with obvious talent could be worth it under a different teams . collins has his finger injury ayton was feuding with the team , simmons had been an obv talent before his injury/mental breakdown, whiseman was still on his rookie deal

at the time we were also talent starved and getting a return on Murray and White would have ben fair value. The pics we got instead are nice and could be better, but won't mature for several years. waiting for things has it's costs. remember that getting wemby was a great luck and without him we'd be more desperate for talent

[Ariel]

Herro is a negative asset. Going to need some first round compensation and I still won't like it.
a guy who averages 20/5/4 while shooting '44% 38% on threes ( 8 per game) on a playoff team is negative ? Contract is huge but i can't call this guy a negative asset
Maybe not for someone out there, but his team just made the finals replacing him with undrafted guys, so that's not a ringing endorsement to his contribution. He's overrated, overpaid, and I wouldn't build a contender with him as a core piece. If Miami uses him to get Lillard, that's twice a win.

[lefty20]

Damn Lakers got a steal for Reaves. Only 14M/yr and locked in for 4 years?? Wonder how much Jeanie paid Holt Jr not to make an offer.

I read that the 4th year was a PO. Still a great value deal.

Spurs should make a max offer when he declines the PO in 3 years. Mr. Body, you agree?

[slick'81]

This is not the year for the spurs to break the bank in free agency

[timvp]

"I poke bears" to avoiding the media the rest of the series after sucking thoroughly even though you were left unguarded? Yep, sounds like a Rocket.

[BatManu20]

Plumlee or bust.

Free agent Jalen McDaniels has agreed to a two-year, $9.3 million deal with the Toronto Raptors, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1648391157045673984/PeoZeyFY_normal.jpg
Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)now (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1675276450855804929)
Free agent Jalen McDaniels has agreed to a two-year, $9.3 million deal with the Toronto Raptors, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[tonight...you]

I was going to suggest Jock as a guy to give a nice one year to, but the Rockets have gone plaid.
Great. Now I need to watch Spaceballs tonight.
This is beyond ludicrous!

[cd98]

If Herro is really good, why doesn’t Portland want him as part of a Miami trade?

[ace3g]

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)23s (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1675276945108480007)
Australian forward Jack White has agreed on a two-year deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Agent Sammy Wloszczowski of @SIGSports (https://twitter.com/SIGSports/) negotiates deal that brings the former Nuggets two-way wing to OKC.

[cd98]

Spurs going to be signing guys off the street for one year at $$$.

[timvp]

1675270697407373313

Oh man, good stuff :lol

[timtonymanu]

Spurs are not getting anyone else. :lol this is a typical “we like what we have” approach.

[tonight...you]

Yeah a push.

So here’s the wager.

200 dollars.

Reaves has to average 30.0 mpg or greater. Minimum 50 games.

If the Lakers end the season as a bottom 10 team tied or worse it’s a push.

If he plays less that 50 games it’s a push.

Do you want a provision if he’s traded?
Lord, this is the wussiest bet and it keeps getting wussier!

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah a push.

So here’s the wager.

200 dollars.

Reaves has to average 30.0 mpg or greater. Minimum 50 games.

If the Lakers end the season as a bottom 10 team tied or worse it’s a push.

If he plays less that 50 games it’s a push.

Do you want a provision if he’s traded?

I'm good with this. Jesus fucking christ felt like free agent negotiations to get this bet done.

[ace3g]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)12s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675277384646361089)
The Grizzlies are finalizing a sign-and-trade with Houston on Dillon Brooks' new deal and will generate a substantial trade exception, sources tell ESPN.

[timvp]

Plumlee or bust.

Free agent Jalen McDaniels has agreed to a two-year, $9.3 million deal with the Toronto Raptors, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium

Hurry, Rockets, do something else. I'm about to stop laughing.

[scott]

If you're Mamu or Gorgui, you've got to be loving this. He's just wondering how big of a 1-year deal he can get to help the Spurs get to the floor.

[timvp]

I'm good with this. Jesus fucking christ felt like free agent negotiations to get this bet done.

That was better and more comprehensive negotiations than we saw from Reaves' agents, tbh :lol

[Mugen]

This front office really said let’s chill after landing Wemby :lol

[tonight...you]

Hurry, Rockets, do something else. I'm about to stop laughing.
I don't know about this Ime guy...
He got the reigns, or is it that Stone guy doing this stuff?
This looks like a Landry's Restaurant item of a cajun entree that's 200% overpriced and a mess of a dish.

[ace3g]

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Kelly Iko KellyIko
(https://twitter.com/KellyIko)16m (https://twitter.com/KellyIko/status/1675273994352599041)
The Houston Rockets are trading Josh Christopher to Memphis, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/).


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)

ESPN Sources: The Los Angeles Clippers are acquiring Houston Rockets forward K.J. Martin in a trade for two future second-round draft picks.

[SpursFan86]

Hurry, Rockets, do something else. I'm about to stop laughing.

Unfortunately it was just confirmed that FVV’s 3rd year is a team option :( Would’ve loved them being stuck with that for the full 3 years.

[Degoat]

This is crazy why the fck aren’t we doing anything!?!?

[ChumpDumper]

This is crazy why the fck aren’t we doing anything!?!?

Not much to be done with free agents.

[timvp]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1644943027520040960/8srcnDAD_normal.jpg
Kelly Iko KellyIko
(https://twitter.com/KellyIko)16m (https://twitter.com/KellyIko/status/1675273994352599041)
The Houston Rockets are trading Josh Christopher to Memphis, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/).


Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn)

ESPN Sources: The Los Angeles Clippers are acquiring Houston Rockets forward K.J. Martin in a trade for two future second-round draft picks.

:lmao :lmao Their two most promising young players.

Thanks, Rockets, almost stopped laughing there for a second.

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1675276450855804929

Free agent Jalen McDaniels has agreed to a two-year, $9.3 million deal with the Toronto Raptors, sources tell@TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium)
That sounds like an interesting gamble. Probably 2nd year player option.
1675276450855804929

EDIT: Sorry, didn't refresh and missed this:

Plumlee or bust.

Free agent Jalen McDaniels has agreed to a two-year, $9.3 million deal with the Toronto Raptors, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium

[ace3g]

hmmm Maxey trains with Tim Martin as well.

[Mr. Body]

OKC Thunder signing Jack White for two years, ostensibly to play "Seven Nation Army" anytime they want in the arena for free.

[timtonymanu]

This is crazy why the fck aren’t we doing anything!?!?

If our best option this entire time was Mason Plumlee, better to sit on our hands instead.

[kace]

Reaves was restricted and the Lakers couldn't give him any more than they did. If a team gave Reaves an offer, the Lakers could have waited until the 7th to match the offer and keep him. Apparently no team wanted their cap space to be in limbo for a week and most likely end up not getting Reaves at the end of that week.

well, i read that many times on the net but i often saw some answers stating that the Lakers would only have 24h to match the offer. I must have missed something. somewhat makes sense that the idea to wait until so late to know if the player will be yours can make some teams think twice....

really liked the manu vibes from this guy

[R. DeMurre]

Maybe. Most of the signings look like iffy fits for us at best for too much money -- OTOH we're going to end up crossing the floor finish line with a Mo Bamba signing.


For minimal money, I don't mind a Mo Bamba experiment. He'll never live up to his draft position, but if he's cheap option who has the potential to be a small net positive player, there's really zero risk. No one has ever experimented with a 7' center with a 7'10" wingspan playing defensively behind a 7'5" guy with an 8' wingspan. If the Spurs could make that work for even 10 minutes a game, it would be worth a salary that's 1/4 or 1/3rd of the MLE. Offensively, Bamba's in the corner like Bruce Bowen, but with the added plus that his defender is a big that needs to be away from the paint, where Wembanyama would set up for offensive rebounds off of misses. There's a small chance something can be gotten from the pairing, and if not, Bamba's gone in two years with no real financial repercussions.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm good with this. Jesus fucking christ felt like free agent negotiations to get this bet done.

Geez. Pretty straightforward.

We’re in agreement. See you at the end of the season.

[Obstructed_View]

This front office really said let’s chill after landing Wemby :lol


They also may have said let's not wreck the franchise after landing wemby. There is still summer league and a trade deadline.
You are right of course, but I vastly prefer that to what the Rockettes have done.

[tonight...you]

This is crazy why the fck aren’t we doing anything!?!?
Because our FO aren't a bunch of knee-jerkers.
They have a plan, like they've had a plan and they're going to adhere to their plan like they've been adhering to their plan.
And their plan looks to be working.

Like Aaron Rodgers said (while probably and hopefully on psychedelics): R-E-L-A-X

[JPB]

This is crazy why the fck aren’t we doing anything!?!?

because they don't have to.

[ChumpDumper]

For minimal money, I don't mind a Mo Bamba experiment. He'll never live up to his draft position, but if he's cheap option who has the potential to be a small net positive player, there's really zero risk. No one has ever experimented with a 7' center with a 7'10" wingspan playing defensively behind a 7'5" guy with an 8' wingspan. If the Spurs could make that work for even 10 minutes a game, it would be worth a salary that's 1/4 or 1/3rd of the MLE. Offensively, Bamba's in the corner like Bruce Bowen, but with the added plus that his defender is a big that needs to be away from the paint, where Wembanyama would set up for offensive rebounds off of misses. There's a small chance something can be gotten from the pairing, and if not, Bamba's gone in two years with no real financial loss.

I'm only half joking. I can see the ownership group's handing down a directive to stick around the salary floor this year once the most attractive FAs were off the table. In that case Minimal Mo is almost a smart move.

[objective]

Toronto finally pulled their QO on Nandi De Colo in February, ending his hostage status now that he's washed

Time to bring Nando home! We still need a point guard :lol

[duncan2150]

Maybe not for someone out there, but his team just made the finals replacing him with undrafted guys, so that's not a ringing endorsement to his contribution. He's overrated, overpaid, and I wouldn't build a contender with him as a core piece. If Miami uses him to get Lillard, that's twice a win.

And we saw what those undrafted guys bring them during the finals, for me he's not overrated but i'm ok with the overpaid.

[R. DeMurre]

The Rockets are like an 18 year old who was just given his entire trust fund in the form of a duffel bag packed with cash.

[Mr. Body]

Because our FO aren't a bunch of knee-jerkers.
They have a plan, like they've had a plan and they're going to adhere to their plan like they've been adhering to their plan.
And their plan looks to be working.

Like Aaron Rodgers said (while probably and hopefully on psychedelics): R-E-L-A-X

This. They literally told us what they were looking to do this offseason. It was clear, it was straightforward, it made sense. I don't understand why people are getting their knickers in a bloody twist because we didn't sign long contracts to players we don't need. Like, the roster is jammed with players already. They want to see what they have -- they outright said this.

[Obstructed_View]

For minimal money, I don't mind a Mo Bamba experiment. He'll never live up to his draft position, but if he's cheap option who has the potential to be a small net positive player, there's really zero risk. No one has ever experimented with a 7' center with a 7'10" wingspan playing defensively behind a 7'5" guy with an 8' wingspan. If the Spurs could make that work for even 10 minutes a game, it would be worth a salary that's 1/4 or 1/3rd of the MLE. Offensively, Bamba's in the corner like Bruce Bowen, but with the added plus that his defender is a big that needs to be away from the paint, where Wembanyama would set up for offensive rebounds off of misses. There's a small chance something can be gotten from the pairing, and if not, Bamba's gone in two years with no real financial repercussions.
I don't hate that idea. I'm always in favor of non-smallball lineups. :lol

[BacktoBasics]

That was better and more comprehensive negotiations than we saw from Reaves' agents, tbh :lol

I think it’s a fair wager for the both of us. I see Reaves as a guy who might be a little bit better this season than last season but I don’t see him maintaining heavy minutes throughout the season or having some huge breakout year.

He views Reaves as a great great player. If that pans out he should easily average over 30mpg.

[Mr. Body]

At this point, monitor the Harden and Lillard situations. If nothing can be had, pick up a cheap big and move on to Summer League.

[Obstructed_View]

Speaking of the roster, aren't the Spurs overloaded after the trade?

[Mr. Body]

Eric Gordon still out there.

[tonight...you]

Garbage post

[spurraider21]

This. They literally told us what they were looking to do this offseason. It was clear, it was straightforward, it made sense. I don't understand why people are getting their knickers in a bloody twist because we didn't sign long contracts to players we don't need. Like, the roster is jammed with players already. They want to see what they have -- they outright said this.
We get it. They told us they had a bad plan and now they’re executing it

[RC_Drunkford]

I advise y'all to go read clutchfans. It's hilarious how they are breaking down while getting hit with one bad move after another :lmao

[Leetonidas]

Dubs FO said they wanted to keep Jordan Poole and then dumped his ass four days later so yeah, who cares what they say to us

[ChumpDumper]

We get it. They told us they had a bad plan and now they’re executing it

I guess. Looks like they haven't missed out on much so far.

[Obstructed_View]

We get it. They told us they had a bad plan and now they’re executing it
Man, you really need to go be a Rockets fan.

[Mr. Body]

We get it. They told us they had a bad plan and now they’re executing it

I don't know what expensive junk you wanted to pick up, but glad someone else is in control.

[tonight...you]

We get it. They told us they had a bad plan and now they’re executing it
You'd rather FVV and Dillon Brooks et al?
I can only offer up such stuff as they were the guys available.
Drop a dime+ on Reeves? Yay. Makes no difference to the Lakers as much payroll will be off when his big hits happen.

There was just not much out there on the landscape for the Spurs to take much advantage of.

They could go hyper-aggressive, but where would that go?
I don't think to the promised land.
You?

[SpursFan86]

I advise y'all to go read clutchfans. It's hilarious how they are breaking down while getting hit with one bad move after another :lmao

True comedy man. I would pay serious money to see them do something like ship out Sengun for a couple of late 1sts :lol

[mo7888]

True comedy man. I would pay serious money to see them do something like ship out Sengun for a couple of late 1sts :lol

At this point I'd offer them 3 seconds for him or Jabari just for the troll... lol

[spurraider21]

You'd rather FVV and Dillon Brooks et al?
I can only offer up such stuff as they were the guys available.
Drop a dime+ on Reeves? Yay. Makes no difference to the Lakers as much payroll will be off when his big hits happen.

There was just not much out there on the landscape for the Spurs to take much advantage of.

They could go hyper-aggressive, but where would that go?
I don't think to the promised land.
You?
I like how the only options we possibly had this offseason was the cedi trade or to do everything houston did

[Mr. Body]

I like how the only options we possibly had this offseason was the cedi trade or to do everything houston did

Tbh I would've been okay taking a flier on Obi Toppin or a player like him for a couple SRPs, but where does he go? The roster is packed.

[MannyIsGod]

I like how the only options we possibly had this offseason was the cedi trade or to do everything houston did

Right? As if something in the middle isn't possible.

[ChumpDumper]

I like how the only options we possibly had this offseason was the cedi trade or to do everything houston did

Well, what were the options that had to be done the first weekend of free agency to keep the offseason from being bad?

[Joseph Kony]

I like how the only options we possibly had this offseason was the cedi trade or to do everything houston did
sniffers gonna sniff. it doesnt matter what the Spurs do or dont do, they well die on the hill defending it :lol

[rankingtear]

I like how the only options we possibly had this offseason was the cedi trade or to do everything houston did

Pretty much. You saw the other contracts being handed out.

[RC_Drunkford]

True comedy man. I would pay serious money to see them do something like ship out Sengun for a couple of late 1sts :lol

I need to see some video reactions man :lmao

[kobyz]

i would like Paul Reed as an under the radar signing

[SpursFan86]

Who the hell on this board has been advocating for the Spurs to blow a bag on FVV or Dillon Brooks? You guys are pulling strawman arguments out of your ass :lol

Look at most of the top guys on timvp’s FA target list. Plumlee, McDaniels, J-Rich, Gabe Vincent, Okogie, Grant Williams…how about any of those guys? Pretty much no one here is asking the Spurs to make a giant splash and lock down multiple guys on long term, big money deals. Just because people were hoping to see the FO make modest improvements in an offseason where we had some of the most available cap space of any team doesn’t mean people are asking them to blow up the whole team and sign scrubs to $100MM deals.

[timvp]

Wait, the Rockets purposefully traded for Patty Mills? In 2023?

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think the Spurs offseason is terrible or even bad. Its mainly a push, which can be fine and although I would have made Reaves an offer I don't mind what they're doing - especially if they get a good move in a multi team deal, but there's no reason to immediately say "DO YOU WANT THEM TO BE TEH ROCKETS" if someone is critical about an aspect of this off season.

[rankingtear]

If this forum run the HOU it would look like the last their past 3 years. These moves although laughable is just them cleaning the AAU stink off their team.

[Joseph Kony]

Wait, the Rockets purposefully traded for Patty Mills? In 2023?
someone on that bench needs to waive towels and cheer for his teammates :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Mamu is back!!!!

[ace3g]

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[BatManu20]

Manu’s back!

[r0drig0lac]

Sandro 2 years

[AusSpur]

Mamu!

[slick'81]

Mamu is a god

[Degoat]

Hangover quote GOOOODDD DAMNNITTT, goshhhh darn it, SHITTTTT, shoottt.

I don’t like this run it back plus the rooks

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wouldn't mind kicking the tire on Bamba.

[rascal]

When have I been as wrong as you?

Damn, I have the temerity to point out that Austin "Beatiful Man" Reaves was never coming here and it's like I kicked your mother in the balls.

When you were against tanking this year.

[playblair]

The Rockets are like an 18 year old who was just given his entire trust fund in the form of a duffel bag packed with cash.
u r close........the rockets owner was given his fortune from his mob/mafia family members.........

[SpursFan86]

I don't think the Spurs offseason is terrible or even bad. Its mainly a push, which can be fine and although I would have made Reaves an offer I don't mind what they're doing - especially if they get a good move in a multi team deal, but there's no reason to immediately say "DO YOU WANT THEM TO BE TEH ROCKETS" if someone is critical about an aspect of this off season.

Yep. It’s not like I’m melting down over here and saying the FO is running the franchise into the ground :lol It’s just been very mediocre. I totally understand the desire to take things slow with Victor but I don’t think that means you just sit on your hands and do nothing the whole off-season. It is what it is - FA isn’t over yet so still time for the Spurs to make a minor move or two which is all most people here were wanting/expecting.