2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT

[BacktoBasics]

Graham + Birch + Primo's Junk = starting salary for Reaves. It's not a big deal

The only slight perspective I could see on Reaves is his numbers on the playoffs being elevated due to heavy minutes. His per 36 numbers are worse as a result. But that's not a bad thing at all, if he's trusted to play that heavy and earns it. Just means any Spur numbers would be less as pop would probably keep his minutes at 30 or so

Reaves will not average 30mpg next season. I’ll wager anyone real money on that right now. Barring this guy going to a tanking team and logging warm body minutes.

This guy is arguably not even a starter.

[Chinook]

I also think it makes the starting lineup more interesting. I think the 'KJ or Sochan' starting debate is settled and Sochan starts. You'd have 4 guys in that unit who are true threats from deep. Tre and Keldon coming off the bench in roles that are suited to their strengths are a big plus in my mind.

If the Spurs are interested in Osman, it might suggest the team wants to let Wemba play at the five more than some of us believed. I think there's room for Reaves, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan Wembanyama to be a unit. I don't know how Sochan or Wemba could do at SF, so Collins starting might be Sochan a bench guy. But I definitely see Reaves and Vassell playing well together and with Wemba, whether the other starters are Johnson, Sochan, Collins or a point guard. That trio is really flexible.

[BacktoBasics]

What's your expectation of the Spurs next year? Will we have really, really, really good games?

My expectation is .500 ball and scratching the play in.

[EricB]

The other shoe that's left to drop that might have a Spurs connection is Brook Lopez. If you were to imagine a center to put next to a rookie Wemby, you'd want a big ol' dude who is great at defense, absorbs contact, won't be messed with and shoots threes on the other end to space the floor for Wemby's isolations. Sounds like Lopez.

If the Spurs offer him two-year, $55 million, could he actually say no?


27.5 million? Sheesh you’d hope not

[MannyIsGod]

How many games was Reaves “really really really really really good”?

Share your expectations for his greatness next year please.

I mean it depends but it's obvious to me this dude is going to be a focal point for whatever team he's on and he'll be very good in the playoffs. He's extremely versatile so I'm not going to give you some bullshit stat line (as if that would prove anything or be anything more than bullshit) but feel free to hand me an L that I'll happilyown I've been wrong before but I've been right way more than a lot of people on here and a, happy with how my previous player predictions have held up.

[baseline bum]

I don't know if that is overpaying, but I would overpay for two years of him.

Spurs would be almost doubling his salary from last year in the scenario LJ posted.

[couchman]

This Reaves vs Vassell argument is dumb. If we sign Reaves it is because we see him as a PG.
Vassell is a SG or SF.
They would not compete for minutes very much.
They would both start

[Chinook]

How many games was Reaves “really really really really really good”?

Share your expectations for his greatness next year please.

He averaged out as elite for the whole season. I'm sure some of those games he wasn't as good in. SR21 pointed out Reaves started out the year slowly. But every player has games where they're worse than their average. Danny Green had stretches so bad Pop would bench him, but he was still the defining role-player of his generation. Vassell was unplayable in some games, as was Keldon. But Reaves' baseline was so high that it would help raise the bar for the Spurs' rotation quite a bit. If instead of outplaying Josh Richardson or Stan Johnson you had to outplay Reaves, the rotation would look a lot cleaner.

[MannyIsGod]

Reaves will not average 30mpg next season. I’ll wager anyone real money on that right now. Barring this guy going to a tanking team and logging warm body minutes.

This guy is arguably not even a starter.

Oh I'll take this bet. How much

[cutewizard]

Forget Reeves

Let's just move on

[Dejounte]

Reaves will not average 30mpg next season. I’ll wager anyone real money on that right now. Barring this guy going to a tanking team and logging warm body minutes.

This guy is arguably not even a starter.

You know you made race such a forced topic for months during the predraft season that I’m starting to wonder if you have in it for Reaves because he’s white.

[Chinook]

27.5 million? Sheesh you’d hope not

I'd be down. Lopez is basically the perfect fit. Ideally you'd want to go hard at him and a PG to raise the overall talent of the team. But it's hard to imagine the Spurs getting a trade with MKE or the teams most likely to have such a PG.

[BacktoBasics]

I mean it depends but it's obvious to me this dude is going to be a focal point for whatever team he's on and he'll be very good in the playoffs. He's extremely versatile so I'm not going to give you some bullshit stat line (as if that would prove anything or be anything more than bullshit) but feel free to hand me an L that I'll happilyown I've been wrong before but I've been right way more than a lot of people on here and a, happy with how my previous player predictions have held up.

Look, I like Reaves. I think he’s a good guy off the bench for 20-22 mpg with that increased in the playoffs when you shrink the rotation. A focal point is a stretch and that belief is built on a much smaller sample size that people make it out to be.

A portion of his 13ppg for the season came during injuries where he kinda just filled in. They weren’t making big runs in those periods either.

It’s telling to me that everyone is so hyped on this dude but won’t have their intelligence insulted by statistically quantifying the guy but are certain he’ll be a “focal point”.

That’s not me picking a fight with you either.

It just tells me that he’s as much of an unknown riding a hot post season as I say he is.

Otherwise dudes would be dropping expectations left and right here.

[Dejounte]

Everyone who doesn’t see Reaves as a promising player *at the very least* are so hugely dismissive of his talent all because he wore a Lakers jersey and he was around LeBron. Note I’m not saying he’s for sure going to blow up, but this fluke nonsense has got to stop.

[objective]

Reaves will not average 30mpg next season. I’ll wager anyone real money on that right now. Barring this guy going to a tanking team and logging warm body minutes.

This guy is arguably not even a starter.

He averaged 36.2 in the playoffs for a conference finals team. 39.6 in the WCF. why did he play that much?

Don't know how much he'll play for LA next year because i think they'll match any deal and I haven't studied their moves close enough yet

[BacktoBasics]

You know you made race such a forced topic for months during the predraft season that I’m starting to wonder if you have in it for Reaves because he’s white.

Don’t be a cunt. I like Reaves. I don’t like the money being tossed around about it.

I think the LA 4 for 52 is in line. I’m not crying at 4 for 60 either.

If we brought him in at 4 for 60 I’d be leery but generally positive.

[scott]

He averaged out as elite for the whole season. I'm sure some of those games he wasn't as good in. SR21 pointed out Reaves started out the year slowly. But every player has games where they're worse than their average. Danny Green had stretches so bad Pop would bench him, but he was still the defining role-player of his generation. Vassell was unplayable in some games, as was Keldon. But Reaves' baseline was so high that it would help raise the bar for the Spurs' rotation quite a bit. If instead of outplaying Josh Richardson or Stan Johnson you had to outplay Reaves, the rotation would look a lot cleaner.

Again, prefacing that I'm not an Austin Reaves expert and I'm only being sold on the idea of Reaves based on stats, seeing a few games, and the opinions shared here on ST... but what I like about the idea of adding Reaves at 4/100 (and giving Devin 4/100) is that it gives us a young core of Dev/Keldon/Sochan/Reaves/Bran around Wemby in addition to a bevvy of FRPs coming up.

It would seem given where the cap is going that 4/100 isn't a killer contract. We all seem to like Keldon's 4/80, despite Keldon having a lower ceiling than Dev (and maybe Reaves?). It's like Herro's 4/120 or Duncan Robinson's 4/90 we are talking about here.

From my amateur POV, it seems like Reaves could be a nice addition to our young roster while still not hampering our ability to find that second star via the draft or via trade (using all that draft capital). In fact, Reaves (or Keldon or an extended Devin) might be helpful in a situation where we want to couple them with picks to trade for that second star.

[MannyIsGod]

I mean 4/100 isn't insane money for your 2-4th best players on a team (aka starters) so I am not sure why were acting like it's bonkers money.

[scott]

Monte Morris getting traded from WAS to DET. So there goes one PG option.

[BacktoBasics]

He averaged 36.2 in the playoffs for a conference finals team. 39.6 in the WCF. why did he play that much?

Don't know how much he'll play for LA next year because i think they'll match any deal and I haven't studied their moves close enough yet
Expected for a player that gets hot. Yet he averaged what for the regular season? 21 a game or so I think. Even with all those injuries…

I see him as a 22mpg guy who might play 25-28 on a night he gets rolling but will see far more uneventful 18 minute games where he picks up 8-9 points.

I’m not paying 100 million for that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

reeves is nothing more then a overglorified linsanity who peaked at the correct time during a stretch of games...his like that other clown they use to had caruso

[mudyez]

With FVV inked, are we the only team that can offer him die ~$100?

[MannyIsGod]

Look, I like Reaves. I think he’s a good guy off the bench for 20-22 mpg with that increased in the playoffs when you shrink the rotation. A focal point is a stretch and that belief is built on a much smaller sample size that people make it out to be.

A portion of his 13ppg for the season came during injuries where he kinda just filled in. They weren’t making big runs in those periods either.

It’s telling to me that everyone is so hyped on this dude but won’t have their intelligence insulted by statistically quantifying the guy but are certain he’ll be a “focal point”.

That’s not me picking a fight with you either.

It just tells me that he’s as much of an unknown riding a hot post season as I say he is.

Otherwise dudes would be dropping expectations left and right here.

I would say you should look at his splits. He didn't just fill in, he excelled as his usage went up. Especially in the playoffs. If you want stats, I'll say 17/6/3 with around 40per from 3.

[scott]

Expected for a player that gets hot. Yet he averaged what for the regular season? 21 a game or so I think. Even with all those injuries…

I see him as a 22mpg guy who might play 25-28 on a night he gets rolling but will see far more uneventful 18 minute games where he picks up 8-9 points.

I’m not paying 100 million for that.

Looks like he averaged 28.8 mpg last season. 23.2 the year prior.

[Degoat]

I may regret saying this one day but the Reaves idea is gross to me, the spurs have said over and over how they don’t want to skip any steps or make costly long term decisions. Im out on him for now.

[mo7888]

Again, prefacing that I'm not an Austin Reaves expert and I'm only being sold on the idea of Reaves based on stats, seeing a few games, and the opinions shared here on ST... but what I like about the idea of adding Reaves at 4/100 (and giving Devin 4/100) is that it gives us a young core of Dev/Keldon/Sochan/Reaves/Bran around Wemby in addition to a bevvy of FRPs coming up.

It would seem given where the cap is going that 4/100 isn't a killer contract. We all seem to like Keldon's 4/80, despite Keldon having a lower ceiling than Dev (and maybe Reaves?). It's like Herro's 4/120 or Duncan Robinson's 4/90 we are talking about here.

From my amateur POV, it seems like Reaves could be a nice addition to our young roster while still not hampering our ability to find that second star via the draft or via trade (using all that draft capital). In fact, Reaves (or Keldon or an extended Devin) might be helpful in a situation where we want to couple them with picks to trade for that second star.

Your last paragraph is spot on... in a year or two you package two of them with draft picks and bring in that 2nd star... its about accumulating talent that works with Wemby....

The only hitch in it is that if we offer $100M/4 LA will match it within 24 hours next week when the moratorium ends.

[BacktoBasics]

I mean 4/100 isn't insane money for your 2-4th best players on a team (aka starters) so I am not sure why were acting like it's bonkers money.

Because he’s more like your 7th man 6th in a perfect world and he just spent the bulk of a season as an 8-9th man on a team that had injuries.

This guy did not have a break out season. He had a killer post season and pedestrian regular season.

[scott]

With FVV inked, are we the only team that can offer him die ~$100?

Rockets still have room to do 4/100 as well.

[mo7888]

I may regret saying this one day but the Reaves idea is gross to me, the spurs have said over and over how they don’t want to skip any steps or make costly long term decisions. Im out on him for now.

No...they said they wanted to avoid costly long term mistakes....if they make this offer then they obviously don't see it as a mistake.

[BacktoBasics]

I would say you should look at his splits. He didn't just fill in, he excelled as his usage went up. Especially in the playoffs. If you want stats, I'll say 17/6/3 with around 40per from 3.

Thanks for owning it. I took a screenshot so we can reflect later. I don’t disagree that his post season was outstanding. I’m not big on the market being set after one great postseason.

[scott]

Your last paragraph is spot on... in a year or two you package two of them with draft picks and bring in that 2nd star... its about accumulating talent that works with Wemby....

The only hitch in it is that if we offer $100M/4 LA will match it within 24 hours next week when the moratorium ends.

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I'm hoping the way it gets backloaded for LA would be the deterrent to their matching.

But if the are DEFINITELY gonna match... then we almost have to do this out of principle. Can't let LA get him for a 50% discount.

[MannyIsGod]

Because he’s more like your 7th man 6th in a perfect world and he just spent the bulk of a season as an 8-9th man on a team that had injuries.

This guy did not have a break out season. He had a killer post season and pedestrian regular season.

Yeah dude sorry but thinking he's a 7th man is just an awful take. Nothing about Reeves says flash in the pan.

[MannyIsGod]

Thanks for owning it. I took a screenshot so we can reflect later. I don’t disagree that his post season was outstanding. I’m not big on the market being set after one great postseason.
Ok now back to the 30 mpg bet so I can make easy money. How much?

[BacktoBasics]

Yeah dude sorry but thinking he's a 7th man is just an awful take. Nothing about Reeves says flash in the pan.

I certainly don’t think he’s a flash in the pan. I just don’t see a 34mpg 17-19ppg starter.

[Mr. Body]

Contract year player. Outsized leap in production in limited circumstances. Jerome James.

[Seventyniner]

I mean 4/100 isn't insane money for your 2-4th best players on a team (aka starters) so I am not sure why were acting like it's bonkers money.

It's a rare form of the money illusion.

oMg It'S nInE fIgUrEs

The correct way to look at it is in terms of the percentage of the salary cap it takes up. A flat 4/100 deal is 18.4/16.7/15.2/13.8% of the cap. For a solid starter with upside that's not bad at all.

[BacktoBasics]

Ok now back to the 30 mpg bet so I can make easy money. How much?

Let’s keep it friendly.

I’ll bet you 200 bucks he doesn’t average 30mpg or more next season.

Unless he goes to a tanking team.

So let’s say his team needs to at least sit outside of a top 10 pick next season. Reaves could be a great tank commander. So I think that stipulation is fair.

[cd98]

It would be funny if a small market team took the Lakers’ young studs for once.

[MannyIsGod]

Let’s keep it friendly.

I’ll bet you 200 bucks he doesn’t average 30mpg or more next season.

Unless he goes to a tanking team.

So let’s say his team needs to at least sit outside of a top 10 pick next season. Reaves could be a great tank commander. So I think that stipulation is fair.

Ok but instead of the draft pick stipulation let's make it contingent on us both agreeing depending on the team he signs with.

[scott]

I pulled up game logs for Reaves to try to understand his mpg and stats as the season progressed. He did miss 16 games in a row mid season, I assume for injury. He play 64 games overall.

Games 1-10: 10 gp, 2 gs, 25 mpg, 6.8 ppg, -53
Games 11-20: 10 gp, 6 gs, 32.5 mpg, 14.9 ppg, +88
Games 21-30: 9 gp, 2 gs, 31 mpg, 8.2 ppg, +30
Games 31-40: 7 gp, 2 gs, 26.2 mpg, 10.7 ppg, +6
Games 41-50: DNP
Games 51-60: 6 gp, 0 gs, 20.6 mpg, 9.7 ppg, -21 (one of these games he only play 7 minutes and didn't score)
Games 61-70: 10 gp, 0 gs, 27.3 ppg, 15.3 ppg, +4
Games 71-80: 10 gp, 8 gs, 34 mpg, 20 ppg, +108
Games 81-82: 2 gp, 2 gs, 32.6 mpg, 17 ppg, +38

Definitely seems like he picked up the pace at the end of the year. Don't know how much of his post-injury return was hampered by that injury.

Is this guy worth 4/100? Fuck actually I have no clue, but I still kind of think so? Again, I won't pretend to be the expert at this...

[EricB]

Giving a bag to Reeves continues to be a no brainer. There’s zero downside to it.

[BacktoBasics]

Ok but instead of the draft pick stipulation let's make it contingent on us both agreeing depending on the team he signs with.
:lmao and the doubt is palpable.

That’s fine by me. I’m easy. I don’t see him averaging 30mpg anyway. But I do want to point out that if he’s truly a great great great player averaging 30mpg and 17-19ppg on 40% 3pt he’s not supposed to lead a team to the bottom 10.

We also at least need a minimum number of games played.

This guy starting for the Rockets and blowing out a knee would be a clear exception.

[BacktoBasics]

I pulled up game logs for Reaves to try to understand his mpg and stats as the season progressed. He did miss 16 games in a row mid season, I assume for injury. He play 64 games overall.

Games 1-10: 10 gp, 2 gs, 25 mpg, 6.8 ppg, -53
Games 11-20: 10 gp, 6 gs, 32.5 mpg, 14.9 ppg, +88
Games 21-30: 9 gp, 2 gs, 31 mpg, 8.2 ppg, +30
Games 31-40: 7 gp, 2 gs, 26.2 mpg, 10.7 ppg, +6
Games 41-50: DNP
Games 51-60: 6 gp, 0 gs, 20.6 mpg, 9.7 ppg, -21 (one of these games he only play 7 minutes and didn't score)
Games 61-70: 10 gp, 0 gs, 27.3 ppg, 15.3 ppg, +4
Games 71-80: 10 gp, 8 gs, 34 mpg, 20 ppg, +108
Games 81-82: 2 gp, 2 gs, 32.6 mpg, 17 ppg, +38

Definitely seems like he picked up the pace at the end of the year. Don't know how much of his post-injury return was hampered by that injury.

Is this guy worth 4/100? Fuck actually I have no clue, but I still kind of think so? Again, I won't pretend to be the expert at this...

This is a good look. Nice post.

[Chinook]

I pulled up game logs for Reaves to try to understand his mpg and stats as the season progressed. He did miss 16 games in a row mid season, I assume for injury. He play 64 games overall.

Games 1-10: 10 gp, 2 gs, 25 mpg, 6.8 ppg, -53
Games 11-20: 10 gp, 6 gs, 32.5 mpg, 14.9 ppg, +88
Games 21-30: 9 gp, 2 gs, 31 mpg, 8.2 ppg, +30
Games 31-40: 7 gp, 2 gs, 26.2 mpg, 10.7 ppg, +6
Games 41-50: DNP
Games 51-60: 6 gp, 0 gs, 20.6 mpg, 9.7 ppg, -21 (one of these games he only play 7 minutes and didn't score)
Games 61-70: 10 gp, 0 gs, 27.3 ppg, 15.3 ppg, +4
Games 71-80: 10 gp, 8 gs, 34 mpg, 20 ppg, +108
Games 81-82: 2 gp, 2 gs, 32.6 mpg, 17 ppg, +38

Definitely seems like he picked up the pace at the end of the year. Don't know how much of his post-injury return was hampered by that injury.

Is this guy worth 4/100? Fuck actually I have no clue, but I still kind of think so? Again, I won't pretend to be the expert at this...

Supposedly the real difference is before and after the Westbrook trade. Before he was 10/2/3. After he was 16/3/5 with much better shooting despite getting about the same minutes. Those non-Westbrook numbers basically carried over into the playoffs. It is evidence that he isn't simply the product of being a low option.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao and the doubt is palpable.

That’s fine by me. I’m easy. I don’t see him averaging 30mpg anyway. But I do want to point out that if he’s truly a great great great player averaging 30mpg and 17-19ppg on 40% 3pt he’s not supposed to lead a team to the bottom 10.

We also at least need a minimum number of games played.

This guy starting for the Rockets and blowing out a knee would be a clear exception.

I'm honestly worried more about 88 year old lebron and made of glass ad dying than any true tanking team signing him. Lakers could end up with a top 10 pich through no fault of reaves. I don't think there's a true chance of a tanking team signing him.

[CorrectCrusader]

Cmon Wright send Reaves the brinks truck

[scott]

Supposedly the real difference is before and after the Westbrook trade. Before he was 10/2/3. After he was 16/3/5 with much better shooting despite getting about the same minutes. Those non-Westbrook numbers basically carried over into the playoffs. It is evidence that he isn't simply the product of being a low option.

Gosh, I somehow managed to forget about the Russ era. He also missed back to back games (#30 and #31) before he went out for 16 games. I wonder if that was an initial injury that he tried to paly through before they shut him down? That whole portion by game 30-60 could have been impacted by the injury and skewed some of the stats.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm honestly worried more about 88 year old lebron and made of glass ad dying than any true tanking team signing him. Lakers could end up with a top 10 pich through no fault of reaves. I don't think there's a true chance of a tanking team signing him.

I generally agree with you on that. But dude soaking up minutes because of extenuating circumstances vs earning 30mpg on a winning team is kinda the point I’m trying to make.

My thoughts are that even with a relatively healthy team he’s not gonna bag big minutes because he’s just not that guy.

He can sign and we’ll revisit. That’s why I suggested 200 and not 2k. We can both take a shot for minimal risk.

[InRareForm]

Vassell was the better player and Reaves had the benefit of playing on a team that made a deep playoff run. This comparison is nothing more than a typical ST circlejerking fad.

Reaves didn’t have a breakout season. The pitch is that he will have one. Vassell has shown legitimate promise and progress on a team that worked to the benefit of a tank.

It’s a shortsighted comp.


Austin Reaves is this year's John Collins.

I don't see Collins being a big time go to efficient offense player in the WCF. Lebron was taking too many possession over reaves imo when they could have got a better look with AR

[BillMc]

Did anything happen with Plumlee?

[AusSpur]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1674985559339532290

[Ariel]

Everyone who doesn’t see Reaves as a promising player *at the very least* are so hugely dismissive of his talent all because he wore a Lakers jersey and he was around LeBron. Note I’m not saying he’s for sure going to blow up, but this fluke nonsense has got to stop.
I don't think that's the issue, but rather that we're talking about handing the guy 4 years 100 million for a very limited sample of games. If he can sustain his playoff performance in the long run, sure, he'll be worth it. But if he doesn't suddenly it's a pretty difficult position you find yourself in. At the price the Lakers want to sign him for (50 something million) there's no doubt he's a great signing, but at twice that the risks give you pause.

[timvp]

If the Spurs are going to sign Reaves, we probably won't hear anything until the 6th. That'd be a looooong six days :lol

It feels like Brook Lopez is the next decision everyone is waiting on. Grant Williams is an interesting one, too. I don't really like the idea of Williams on the Spurs but I can imagine him being on their radar. IMO, too offensively limited on a team without multiple offensive stars. He's the type of role player the Spurs could go after once Wemby is fully formed -- not now.

[Obstructed_View]

Did anything happen with Plumlee?

Doesn't appear so.

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs are going to sign Reaves, we probably won't hear anything until the 6th. That'd be a looooong six days :lol

It feels like Brook Lopez is the next decision everyone is waiting on. Grant Williams is an interesting one, too. I don't really like the idea of Williams on the Spurs but I can imagine him being on their radar. IMO, too offensively limited on a team without multiple offensive stars. He's the type of role player the Spurs could go after once Wemby is fully formed -- not now.

With Spurs seemingly not caring to use their cap space to absorb bad deals and not really needing/wanting any FA anyways, who cares about waiting? Not like SA would be worried about missing on any FA right?

[Obstructed_View]

I really like this roster. There may be some things missing, but turned loose to play hard together I think they will surprise some folks.

[cutewizard]

I really like this roster. There may be some things missing, but turned loose to play hard together I think they will surprise some folks.

Agree

Good character guys too

[lefty20]

1674995296839892992

Not an fa signing. But that bag doe.

[Joseph Kony]

Haliburton and Bane with some ridiculous extensions :wow

[timvp]

Oh, yeah, it's midnight on the east coast so extensions can start being signed.

[timvp]

Bane got $207 million :wow

[BatManu20]

Desmond Bane 5-yr/$207M. This is nuts.

1674997084867420161

[Chinook]

Yeah, the Bane deal feels like Memphis hasn't learned shit. Though maybe they could be trading Ja? I still want them to find some way to getting Ja and Brooks on that Rockets team.

[Mugen]

So Bane is gonna get 40mil but people here are hesitant about giving Reaves 25? :lol

[Mr. Body]

You have some teams super-concerned about top contracts and what the new CBA means.

Then you have Indiana and Mephis going LLEEEEERROOOY JEEENNNKIIINNNNSSS

[onechance87]

vassell gonna want a fat contract as well:(

[objective]

That Bane deal, oof

Need to get Vassell down to 4/100

[Mr. Body]

So Bane is gonna get 40mil but people here are hesitant about giving Reaves 25? :lol

Yes, because 40mil is fucking absurd. 25 for a guy who played well for a month is also absurd.

[timvp]

Bane getting $207 million is great news for Vassell. He's gotta feel pretty good about his chances of getting $100 million.

Speaking of Haliburton and Bane, reminds me that I really thought the Spurs were picking Haliburton over Vassell and I heard a lot of noise on that draft day that the Spurs really wanted Bane too.

https://www.spurstalk.com/san-antonio-spurs-final-big-board-2020-nba-draft/

I'd rather have Wemby so I'm not mad but, woah, would Haliburton and Bane have been one hell of a haul that night.

[rankingtear]

This the new cba rookie extensions? Why bane got 40.

[BacktoBasics]

So Bane is gonna get 40mil but people here are hesitant about giving Reaves 25? :lol

Bane produced significantly more during the regular season than Reaves. Although Bane leveraged himself well here. I don’t like the contract but I understand the position Memphis is in.

Just further proof that building with guys like Keldon who perform at a high level compared to their contract is way more pragmatic and indicative of long term roster flexibility and viability.

A lot of teams are gonna be zip tied and fucked if things don’t pan out.

[BacktoBasics]

Bane getting $207 million is great news for Vassell. He's gotta feel pretty good about his chances of getting $100 million.

Speaking of Haliburton and Bane, reminds me that I really thought the Spurs were picking Haliburton over Vassell and I heard a lot of noise on that draft day that the Spurs really wanted Bane too.

https://www.spurstalk.com/san-antonio-spurs-final-big-board-2020-nba-draft/

I'd rather have Wemby so I'm not mad but, woah, would Haliburton and Bane have been one hell of a haul that night.

In hindsight that haul wouldn’t have positioned us in a great situation.

So let’s say production is similar had the Spurs picked them. Having both wouldn’t equate to being at the level of a team that could make a deep run and you’d be locked into those contracts with minimal flexibility. Seems that would put us in purgatory more than anything.

[BillMc]

Doesn't appear so.

Thanks

[jesterbobman]

The rookie extensions are fine, the $$ values just look huge with the cap going up. Halliburton was a major of offense and the Pacers were essentially a .500 team with him, which is great work given the state of the rest of their roster. Bane was a high volume, efficient scorer, and is growing in his ability to be a second side / tertiary offensive creator.
There's always a possibility that they don't live up to the money, but that's always a risk, and the evidence on their growth, and value so far indicates it's probably fine. Good players cost $.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

"If Reaves were an unrestricted free agent, he likely could have drawn the attention of several suitors. Now, only the Spurs stand as a team with the room to give the Lakers a true scare and lob him the 4-year, $100 million maximum offer sheet he can only garner from a rival."


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[Robz4000]

1675008404379561986.

Spurs need to get it done tbh.

[couchman]

Spurs have a ton of money they have to spend and not a lot of roster spots and free agents left.
It feels like we’re going for one big one (Reaves or Lopez?) or a couple of smaller ones (Divincenzo and Plumlee?).

[objective]

Spurs don't have a relationship at all with Reaves' agent. Seems he has only represented scrubs.

[Utopia]

Not sure why we care here about Reaves since he’s a RFA. Lakers will just match anything he’s offered.

DLO is much more realistic and can probably offer him more than a deal the Lakers will be comfortable doing. I heard they likely only want to have back at $20 mill per at most.

[T Park]

Not sure why we care here about Reaves since he’s a RFA. Lakers will just match anything he’s offered.

DLO is much more realistic and can probably offer him more than a deal the Lakers will be comfortable doing. I heard they likely only want to have back at $20 mill per at most.

for the trillionth time.

there's zero downside,

they match, you fuck up their payroll

they don't, have you have a great combo guard who can play off a top tier big man and has shown can perform in the playoffs.

[tbdog]

The downside is the Spurs money are tied up for a few days.

[T Park]

The downside is the Spurs money are tied up for a few days.

so what, no one else out there is as good or better.

GMAFB

[timvp]

Patiently waiting for dat Brook Lopez domino . . .

[T Park]

im surprised nothing has even leaked about teams offers etc for him.

there was already the report that said he wasn't coming back to Milwaukee

[Mugen]

So if Lopez re-ups in Milwaukee, it's pretty much guaranteed the Spurs throw an offer sheet at Reaves right? Like they can easily get to the floor even if the Lakers match.

[T Park]

Patiently waiting for dat Brook Lopez domino . . .

goddamnt tell us what ya know :lol

[Bruno]

If Spurs aren't comfortable with Reaves at $100M/4 years, they can also offer him a 3 years max contract which should be around $60M. For Reaves, it's still way better than Lakers max offer ($52M/ 4 years).

[jesterbobman]

Patiently waiting for dat Brook Lopez domino . . .

I imagine that if the Spurs are in on both Brook and Reaves, they'd tell Brook that they're planning on sending the 4 / 98 at Reaves, though if that's matched (Lakers probably will) they'll have a 2 year $50m deal waiting for Brook - given the Spurs are the only team that could offer that, I imagine Brook would be fine waiting, knowing he can probably get $18 - $20m per year from the Bucks if he returns. And, Brook is the only real starting centre left, so if the "targeting a starting centre" rumours are true, then it's got to be Brook at this point.

[Utopia]

for the trillionth time.

there's zero downside,

they match, you fuck up their payroll

they don't, have you have a great combo guard who can play off a top tier big man and has shown can perform in the playoffs.

so money tied up to literally nobody just to mess with a team? The only team that would be messed with, is the Spurs here. Their is no long term hurting the Lakers implication here. They get back a future all star level guard anyway, and they’re not gonna get over the 2nd tax apron with that move because Lakers would only have to pay 12.4 mill the first two years. Which is a ridiculous steal for someone of Reaves’s talent.

[TekXX]

Hell just throw 4/$110 million at Reaves, considering all these other deals it seems that's not unreasonable. Ownership needs to realize that's the current economics of the NBA.

[venitian navigator]

Too much money cap available smoke on Reeves and Lopez... So they probably are the two real spurs targets... Or maybe they're just trying to figure out the right amount of money to extend Vassell...

[HankChinaski]

Too all the folks wanting to throw money at reeves in an attempt to f*ck the Lakers.

Dumb.

So far the off-season signings have been what one would hope not above market value and low risk moves.

Now to wait for the final domino's to drop

[Utopia]

Too all the folks wanting to throw money at reeves in an attempt to f*ck the Lakers.

Dumb.

So far the off-season signings have been what one would hope not above market value and low risk moves.

Now to wait for the final domino's to drop

It’s not just dumb, it’s VERY dumb. What is this, middle school? This is a multi-billion dollar organization. You make moves that are best for this organization. Not moves to hurt yourself in a pathetic attempt to spite someone else. That’s a loser’s mentality.

Brook Lopez, and this possible big Heat trade definitely seems to be holding up the rest. I also think we should go after donte divincenzo. A nice young guard who we don’t have to break the bank for, and don’t have to waste time with since he’s an UFA.

[EricB]

The move for Reaves would be nothing but a positive

but yeah keep the Pom poms out for a 20 win roster that was the second worst team in basketball

[playblair]

brook lopez is 35 slow & injury prone.........do not want....plz no offer

[Utopia]

The move for Reaves would be nothing but a positive

but yeah keep the Pom poms out for a 20 win roster that was the second worst team in basketball

A 20 win team that just added the best generational prospect since Lebron James?

[HankChinaski]

Honestly I don't see any remaining free agents that the Spurs should throw big money at.
Signing back Mamu, "eh". He was interesting to watch but mostly because the team was playing so bad seeing anything resembling a light at the end of the tunnel was nice to talk about.
I hope he gets one of the last two way contracts.

Unless there is a move or two the spurs get in to take on salary to get just over the low level cap.
I think the spurs are done. Only decisions left to make
1. Just figure out an extension for Vassel or wait till start of the season for that. (Don't know enough about how long they can wait, etc.)
2. Look at the current roster under contract an evaluate improvement during summer league
3. Watch other players performing in summer league for a serviceable player to test out in pre-season/training camp.

[rankingtear]

Brook first. Then you think of Reaves offer sheet.

[poopbox]

This is like a good example of the prisoner's dilemma. Spurs give a contract they know Lakers will match, but then the Lakers don't match and we're on the hook for a bad contract.

Don't play games. Nothing's changed after a fairly expected first four hours of FAs. Let the Lakers figure their own dumb selves out signing Cam Reddish and shit. Let's be about us.

I agree. Also the spurs and lakers are on two different timelines, with the lakers being toward the end of theirs due to lebrons age. They will be bad regardless of what they do in free agency when he leaves in 2 or 3 years. No use in risking a murder charge over someone with terminal cancer. The lakers will die out naturally, spurs don't need to be involved.

Reaves is also not even a fit on this team. I don't know where you play him without eating into the minutes of Devin, Branham, or Wesley, all 3 being players you spent 1st round capital on. To sign Reaves is to pretty much give up on one of those guys.

[objective]

I can see why people would not want Lopez. It probably hurts the relationship with Collins, probably lose that asset by the end of the year, and even though Lopez is much better, he's so much older and less mobile.

But just imagine his iq and length and strength with Wemby. The potential to smother teams and just snuff them out is very tempting.

But I see each side enough that I'm okay with either result. Prefer to have him ... But can see the upside in a longer term Collins.

[jesterbobman]

I think there' room for both Collins and Lopez. There's about 4000 centre minutes available per year, which is about what they combined for last year. If Lopez gets a cut in minutes down to 26 a game, and Zach plays 22, the position is covered in year 1 with Wemby as a four.

In year 2 / 3 of our Lord that might be an issue with a Wemby Sochan frontcourt hopefully emerging) but 2 centre lineups can work when there's shooting at at least one position so that the lane isn't clogged. Not a big issue from my POV, and Lopez is awesome as a drop big / space eater next to a generational rim pressure big man.

[Obstructed_View]

Since Sochan can bring up the ball and Lopez, Wemby and Collins can all shoot and move, there is a huge lineup there that can really fuck other teams up.

[tbdog]

Lopez is a dream signing for two years. Is it possible he will take a bag of cash, knowing he is there just to protect Wemby?

[timvp]

Lopez is a dream signing for two years. Is it possible he will take a bag of cash, knowing he is there just to protect Wemby?

Something has caused Lopez to pause and not instantly accept Milwaukee's offer. From what I hear, I think it's actually an offer from the Rockets . . . but maybe the Spurs can sneak in there . . .

[spurraider21]

I guess the grizzlies weren’t on the NBAs email list when the new CBA was agreed to?

[cutewizard]

There is an offer right.?

[cutewizard]

Is that legit?

The SA offer to Reaves?

[mystargtr34]

Something has caused Lopez to pause and not instantly accept Milwaukee's offer. From what I hear, I think it's actually an offer from the Rockets . . . but maybe the Spurs can sneak in there . . .

I could definitely see the Rockets overpaying and offering 3 years and the rest of their cap space which is around $23.6m. Depending on what they can offer in terms of annual raised an offer of 3/~$75M may be hard for Brook to turn down.

Read somewhere on Twitter Milwaukee’s offer was 3/$54M but that could be bullshit.

[objective]

Listened to a Dunc'd On with Hollinger or LeRoux from a few days ago and they were talking about how doing the offer sheet for Reaves is where a great agent is important to get it done.

If that's true, then I wouldn't expect an offer sheet.

As I posted earlier, according to RealGM Reaves' agent normally does scrubs, his biggest success story is Jake LaRavia.

[exstatic]

so money tied up to literally nobody just to mess with a team? The only team that would be messed with, is the Spurs here. Their is no long term hurting the Lakers implication here. They get back a future all star level guard anyway, and they’re not gonna get over the 2nd tax apron with that move because Lakers would only have to pay 12.4 mill the first two years. Which is a ridiculous steal for someone of Reaves’s talent.

In 2017, Magic Johnson, their GM, was calling Uncle Dennis and giving him advice on how to screw the Spurs into trading Kawhi. It was clear tampering. This isn’t “messing with a team”, it’s revenge. It’s reaching into the pockets of an ownership group, not one of the wealthiest in the league, and costing them almost double the amount for their player, 3/4 of the amount after LeBron is likely gone.

[CGD]

^ the way Kawhi’s career is going the Spurs will have probably gotten his best years in the aggregate. Call the injury stuff godsmack or bad luck, but truth is outside the remarkable Raps seasons he hasn’t been the same

[rankingtear]

so money tied up to literally nobody just to mess with a team? The only team that would be messed with, is the Spurs here. Their is no long term hurting the Lakers implication here. They get back a future all star level guard anyway, and they’re not gonna get over the 2nd tax apron with that move because Lakers would only have to pay 12.4 mill the first two years. Which is a ridiculous steal for someone of Reaves’s talent.

It is a big brain move since we are targeting the same free agency (25-26). If Reaves is making close to 40 mil at that time ( Arenas Provision ), it only increases our chances of getting our target ( LAL is the no.1 free agent destination). It may also prevent LAL from assembling a contender. If they miss out on Brook and likes Reaves at close to that number then there is all upside. You also do him and his agent a favor, which could be beneficial in the future. You take every opportunity to screw the LAL because there are clear competitive advantages.

[Chomag]

Brooks or bust.

[Obstructed_View]

In 2017, Magic Johnson, their GM, was calling Uncle Dennis and giving him advice on how to screw the Spurs into trading Kawhi. It was clear tampering. This isn’t “messing with a team”, it’s revenge. It’s reaching into the pockets of an ownership group, not one of the wealthiest in the league, and costing them almost double the amount for their player, 3/4 of the amount after LeBron is likely gone.

Kawhi at the Dodgers game is unforgivable.

[Dejounte]

Are we really not gonna find out anything until next week?

[Degoat]

I think Brook Lopez takes his times on his decision. I’m surprised there’s no news on D’Anglo Russel, Jalen Mcdaniels, Grant Williams, Dillon Brooks, and Christian wood, I guess teams are waiting for something to happen

[Dverde]

I’m fine making the Lakers pay someone more and back up their talk. Reeves is a good player and if for some reason they don’t match we could always use him in a sixth man role.

[Teamduncan21]

We can offer without locking ourselves up the next few days anyway. So no point rushing. (assuming we really do wanna offer) this way spurs will have flexibility (trades etc) and just offer the last minute once there's nothing left.
So no need to be impatient. (assuming spurs do want him. Which we don't even know)

[Degoat]

So we got Cedi Osman finally, what’s next!?

[Dverde]

Spurs acquire Cedi Osman, Lamar Stevens and a second-rounder.

Stephens salary is $1,930,681

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675125487700516865?s=46

[Ocotillo]

If you think Reeves fits, you offer what you are willing to pay. If LA matches, thems the breaks. Don’t try to screw LA just to screw them because you could end up with a contract you don’t really want.

[LeBowen]

If you think Reeves fits, you offer what you are willing to pay. If LA matches, thems the breaks. Don’t try to screw LA just to screw them because you could end up with a contract you don’t really want.

Imo, Rockets will most definitely throw 100/4 at him, I don't think he's worth that much.
I wouldn't go over 80/4.

[Degoat]

Lamar Stevens is bounded to be waived right?

[kjhip1]

Hopefully both are waived

[duncan2150]

Lamar Stevens is bounded to be waived right?

100 % imo

[Dverde]

Hopefully both are waived

Spurs must like at least one or both of them. I don’t think eating 8M in salary for a 2nd round pick makes much sense.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dicking the Lakers is too obvious and easy. Pop won't do it, wants to keep the pre-game thumbs up and wine trips to Napa with LeBron going.

[DPG21920]

Spurs must like at least one or both of them. I don’t think eating 8M in salary for a 2nd round pick makes much sense.

They need to spend money anyways but ya - could have done that via a 1 year over pay for a player they at least like if that’s goal too.

[Das Texan]

Spurs must like at least one or both of them. I don’t think eating 8M in salary for a 2nd round pick makes much sense.

gotta get to the floor somehow....

[Degoat]

ZC/Bassey
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
KJ/Cedi/Julian
Dev/Branham/Sidy
Tre/Graham/Wesley

Maybe I’m being bias, but for a bad team we have a lot of rotation players

[duncan2150]

Spurs must like at least one or both of them. I don’t think eating 8M in salary for a 2nd round pick makes much sense.

Yes, imo that's just that they like Osman so they take the salary plus a secound. The fact that they like Osman is a little bit weird.

[TekXX]

Ok i guess we're building thru the draft, clear your schedule for the next ten years and trust the process.

[mo7888]

Jaxon Hayes to the lakers

[duncan2150]

Jaxon Hayes to the lakers

Let's get Plumlee

[Degoat]

Jaxon Hayes to the lakers

Lakers always grab the guys I want but most of the time they suck so ehhh

[cutewizard]

Can we still acquire that Micic fellow?

[RC_Drunkford]

so we have 15 roster spots covered unless we waive Birch, Osman and Stevens. Would be 16 if Sissoko gets a NBA contract.

[ace3g]

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Free agent guard Dennis Smith Jr. has agreed to a one-year deal with the Brooklyn Nets, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). The Nets made Smith a priority in free agency as their first call, and he becomes their first addition of the summer.

[ace3g]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Sasha Vezenkov – a 6-foot-9 reigning EuroLeague MVP – has agreed on a three-year, $20 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, his agents Mark Bartelstein and George Roussakis of @PrioritySports (https://twitter.com/PrioritySports/) and Nick Lotsos of Team Lotsos tell ESPN.

[r0drig0lac]

Vezenkov it's at least interesting, probably Mirotic is coming back.

[Splits]

dp

[Extra Stout]

Ok i guess we're building thru the draft, clear your schedule for the next ten years and trust the process.
Don’t feel bad, they’ll at least try to make the play-in in 2024-25.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs going for that Sidy & Cedi lineup

[Chomag]

It truly amazes me sometimes how this FO is always in love with everyone else's scrubs

Hopefully both are waived

[Mr. Body]

I'm getting more interested in Plumlee here, although I've liked him as a player for a while. He seems like he'd be content coming off the bench, which is key in this scenario I think, but can absorb minutes, guard the post, start if he needs to.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Looks like ST favorite Bryn Forbes is heading to Greece.

[tbdog]

ZC/Bassey
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
KJ/Cedi/Julian
Dev/Branham/Sidy
Tre/Graham/Wesley

Maybe I’m being bias, but for a bad team we have a lot of rotation players

Eh. Not deep at all.

[NASpurs]

Run it back again, bring back Patty and Danny Green :tu

[objective]

If Lopez goes to Houston on a 2/40 as they supposedly offered I will be very annoyed

It would be one thing if he turned down money to stay with Milwaukee, another to take it from Houston. Though that supposed the Spurs would be interested all along

[KobesAchilles]

Is Bane making more than Ja? Bc that would be hilarious

[T Park]

If Lopez goes to Houston on a 2/40 as they supposedly offered I will be very annoyed

It would be one thing if he turned down money to stay with Milwaukee, another to take it from Houston. Though that supposed the Spurs would be interested all along


so you have Zach Collins who does the same things and is way younger, but want to block him with an older guy who's defense is declining and give him 20 million a year?

Im good thanks

[spurraider21]

so you have Zach Collins who does the same things and is way younger, but want to block him with an older guy who's defense is declining and give him 20 million a year?

Im good thanks
Lopez just had the best defensive season of his career

[r0drig0lac]

Lillard requested a trade.

[CorrectCrusader]

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1675171520434552837

Looks like Dame is leaving!

[BatManu20]

Dame officially requests a trade. Nice. Gotta assume he’s going to Miami.

[spurraider21]

Miami cleared up some room already with oladipo. Let struss and Vincent walk

[Mr. Body]

Can't say much for Lillard's timing.

[SpursFan86]

If I were a Blazers fan I’d be livid. Just watched the team throw $160MM at Jerami Grant only to have Lillard request a trade not even 24 hours later :lol

[Davidicus]

Apologies I'm sure it's been discussed before, but do we have good options to facilitate Lillard trade to (assuming) Miami?

[Davidicus]

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1675176476348481536

[Mr. Body]

Apologies I'm sure it's been discussed before, but do we have good options to facilitate Lillard trade to (assuming) Miami?

We still have $25 million or so in cap space.

[RC_Drunkford]

this is exactly where the Osman and Stevens contracts could come in handy tbh. I'm pretty sure Wright ain't done

[Big Empty]

He should attempt to go to the Bucks or the Heat. Ill take Tyler Herro in this 3 team deal.

[Davidicus]

We still have $25 million or so in cap space.

Right, asking more around what Miami/Portland could offer us

[LeBowen]

Apologies I'm sure it's been discussed before, but do we have good options to facilitate Lillard trade to (assuming) Miami?

Blazers most definitely don't want Herro or his contract, but he has to get moved if Heat gets dame.
It's probably going to be a three team trade, so expect the unexpected, although I don't think Spurs will be involved. Maybe if we don't get Reaves, McDaniels or Brook, then we could take Lowry's expiring salary.

[Mr. Body]

Right, asking more around what Miami/Portland could offer us

Draft capital.

[kobyz]

If I were a Blazers fan I’d be livid. Just watched the team throw $160MM at Jerami Grant only to have Lillard request a trade not even 24 hours later :lol

I'm sure they can make it a s&t now to send Grant elsewhere

[SpursFan86]

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3 years/$23.5MM for Micic. Looks like he’s finally coming over and will play for OKC.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675178209027977219?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

3 years/$23.5MM for Micic. Looks like he’s finally coming over and will play for OKC.

How many guards do they need?

[Chinook]

Imagine the Spurs using their cap space for Lowry and their RE for Cedi. Would be as sketchy of an off-season that started off with them drafting a phenom could possibly be.

[SpursFan86]

Ramona Shelburne reporting that Lillard has a great amount of respect for the Spurs. Not sure what exactly she’s really implying with that but naturally NBATV now talking about whether the Spurs could land him :lol So dumb.

[DPG21920]

Dame sees what they paid Grant and then asks out and now POR stuck with Grant over paid deal?

Have to wonder if POr pays Grant if they knew Dame wanted out?

Likely not.

Sa time to help facilitate a deal..,

[Mr. Body]

Ramona Shelburne reporting that Lillard has a great amount of respect for the Spurs. Not sure what exactly she’s really implying with that but naturally NBATV now talking about whether the Spurs could land him :lol So dumb.

"Let's generate content."

[poopbox]

Please don't let us somehow end up with Tyler Herro if we get invovled in this because Portland sure as shit isn't going to want him.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Lillards preferred choices are Clippers, Heat, and the Spurs per Woj Instagram.

[Splits]

Ramona Shelburne reporting that Lillard has a great amount of respect for the Spurs. Not sure what exactly she’s really implying with that but naturally NBATV now talking about whether the Spurs could land him :lol So dumb.

1675182089761878016

:lmao :lmao

[rjv]

Chris Haynes called Spurs a wildcard. ����

[LeBowen]

Spurs getting Lillard?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4Nby2Ai-g

[Leetonidas]

Lillard asking out with SA on his list was definitely not on my bingo card

[Degoat]

All these 2nd round picks about to pay off lmao

Wemby
Sochan
KJ
Dev
Dame

[Leetonidas]

Not that we're going to get him but still. Wild stuff

[Robz4000]

:vomit:

[offset formation]

Chris Haynes called Spurs a wildcard. ����

Bobby Mark's called us the Dark Horse

[CorrectCrusader]

It's time for Duncan Robinson to come to his rightful home (joking of course but it's still funny)

[offset formation]

Lillards preferred choices are Clippers, Heat, and the Spurs per Woj Instagram.

Clippers have no picks so they'd have to give up a PG or neph and maybe plus filler.

No idea what Heat's pick situation is like but I know their cap is fucked.

I do know the Spurs clearly have the best capital to make this happen. Ergo, if it doesn't happen its because PATFO said no.

[Chinook]

Oh god no.

[DPG21920]

If it’s expiring deals + salary absorbed + picks? Sa can win. If they want Vassell Sochan etc walk away.

[DPG21920]

I want Sa to be patient. I get the allure but just wait. Don’t do this imo. Will it be exciting? Sure. But be patient imo and stick to plan IMVHO

[Mugen]

If it’s expiring deals + salary absorbed + picks? Sa can win. If they want Vassell Sochan etc walk away.

Don't do it to yourself, Deepz :lol

[Kurik]

Does Portland have any leverage? Just talking in general I don’t want him on the Spurs but I don’t see the Blazers getting much of anything.

[Dejounte]

Do it.

[Mr. Body]

McBuckets, Graham and Birch for Lillard. Do it, Pop.

We can enjoy paying him $60 million four seasons from now.

[Chomag]

What is yalls evaluation of Dame at this point in his career? I havnt watched him is several years but I remember him not being afraid of clutch and being a good shooter, but how is he at running an offense and does he give effort on defense?

[DPG21920]

Don't do it to yourself, Deepz :lol

I don’t want him tbh..just providing commentary on situation lol

[callo1]

I hope Lillard is not really an option the Spurs would go after. He is quickly approaching the wrong side of his career age wise and there is no way in hell I would give up the young talent the spurs have to get him. Any trade involving Sochan and Vassel should be rejected in short order.

Keep your youth and build a contender. Add veteran role players and maybe one big name player (if possible) that is younger than Lillard.

[DPG21920]

McBuckets, Graham and Birch for Lillard. Do it, Pop.

We can enjoy paying him $60 million four seasons from now.

That’s the only type of framework I’d be even remotely ok with (picks in there obviously). If you start chopping away at Dev, Keldon, Sochan etc absolutely not.

[onechance87]

Does Portland have any leverage? Just talking in general I don’t want him on the Spurs but I don’t see the Blazers getting much of anything.

yes they do...because teams actually want him.

[r0drig0lac]

Lillards preferred choices are Clippers, Heat, and the Spurs per Woj Instagram.

interesting

[Splits]

This is all because someone told Ramona Shelburne he respects the Spurs. It's a nothingburger media are using to generate clicks.

[Degoat]

Only ST would be like nope I don’t want Damian Lillard lol

[Mugen]

BWrong: "Let's see what we have the roster first before making any big splashes"

BWrong 1mo later: "Let's trade for Damian Lillard"

I don't see it tbh :lol

[Dejounte]

Only ST would be like nope I don’t want Damian Lillard lol
There is a way to build for post-Lillard when it comes. Folks here are so shortsighted thinking this destroys our future.

[CorrectCrusader]

What is yalls evaluation of Dame at this point in his career? I havnt watched him is several years but I remember him not being afraid of clutch and being a good shooter, but how is he at running an offense and does he give effort on defense?

Defense is bad, but his offense is great.
I wouldn't worry about defense with Victor being able to alter shots consistently

[slick'81]

Hes exactly what the spurs need at pg. still, we ain't getting him

[Degoat]

Love that this kind of fcks up hardens situation lol

[NASpurs]

20 2nd round picks for Lillard

[exstatic]

Lillard requested a trade.


https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1675171520434552837

Looks like Dame is leaving!

Dick move. He should have done this a week or two ago.

[Vic Petro]

All depends on the proposed return of course but in a vacuum of course Lillard would be a very fun aging star to pair with young Wemby.

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Hes exactly what the spurs need at pg. still, we ain't getting him

Yeah it probably won't happen because the front office doesn't seem like they'd pull the trigger but we EASILY have the better package to offer of those three teams and it's not really even close.

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God dammit I mentioned Lillard to the Spurs a couple weeks ago and you guys convinced me he's gonna be an anchor around our necks in four years, but now you're all on board for him.

[slick'81]

Yeah it probably won't happen because the front office doesn't seem like they'd pull the trigger but we EASILY have the better package to offer of those three teams and it's not really even close.


its a win now move for sure. Spurs definitely have the assets to make a deal

[RD2191]

:lobt2:

[timtonymanu]

They’re gonna ask for a lot to get him so I don’t think it would work out. No way I’m trading sochan or Vassell for 2 years of lillard and his ball dominant play.

[Dejounte]

Dick move. He should have done this a week or two ago.

What does Dame owe to a organization that mishandles the roster management time and time again? Jeremi Grant? Come on now…

[Texas_Ranger]

Only ST would be like nope I don’t want Damian Lillard lol

people here have been used seeing so much trash in the last years, that they don't know what a good player even looks like, so no surprise if they would not want a true star. Lets rather build for the next 10 years with young guys. They have been so great so far.

[NASpurs]

Big 'Mona is just making up shit for the clicks. Let's be real.

[BatManu20]

If he was 3-4 years younger I’d be all in. But Dame is 33 and doesn’t matchup with our timeline at all. Trading all that draft capital at this point would be dumb imo. Plus dude’s gonna be making $63M when he’s 36. Yuck.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don‘t want him, mainly because the Blazers would want like 3 of our young players plus ATL picks for him. But this could also turn into a mega trade with Philly and Clippers James Harden trade involved as well.

[Cardinal]

Woj has reported that the Spurs are among Lillard's preferred destinations. It's not just speculation by media personalities without sources

[DPG21920]

Why would Sa do Cedi deal if they even remotely had interest in Dame? Sa ability to absorb dames money is a huge perk and they eat into that for a 2nd? Nah

[timtonymanu]

Yeah I’m with Dejounte. The Blazers are a trash organization. Unless Scoot turns out to be an all time great, it’s gonna be a rinse and repeat situation. 1st round exit ceiling and poor roster building around Scoot.

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Fat 'Mona should have been a Spurs beat reporter years ago tbh, match made in Churro Heaven :lol

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God dammit I mentioned Lillard to the Spurs a couple weeks ago and you guys convinced me he's gonna be an anchor around our necks in four years, but now you're all on board for him.

I take pride in being the unicorn, especially if you can back it up with logic. Nothing wrong with sticking your neck out on occasion.

[DPG21920]

Spurs could absolutely be a third team in a same deal and maybe get a PG they really like too.

[JPB]

There is a way to build for post-Lillard when it comes. Folks here are so shortsighted thinking this destroys our future.

Not the same way at all. And you don't win a chip in the next 2 years Lillard will still be somehow relevant... But you still pay him big time the next couple of ones for being CP0, wich prevents you from adding quality role players with Keldon + 4 picks + whatever less in your pocket... Lillard doesn't fit the timeline, it's too risky of a short term move.

[RD2191]

Fat 'Mona should have been a Spurs beat reporter years ago tbh, match made in Churro Heaven :lol

Keep Big Mona's name out yo mouth.

[Dejounte]

Damian would be what Chris Paul was to the Suns. Chris Paul made the Suns finally develop into a contender. Outside stars saw that and wanted to join a couple years later. There was a future after Paul. There will be a future after Lillard because it will elevate the team by a ton and stars around the league will find it enticing.

[rjv]

This is all because someone told Ramona Shelburne he respects the Spurs. It's a nothingburger media are using to generate clicks..

I thought the same until Woj chimed in.

[BatManu20]

Fat 'Mona should have been a Spurs beat reporter years ago tbh, match made in Churro Heaven :lol

:lol

[Dejounte]

Not the same way at all. And you don't win a chip in the next 2 years Lillard will still be somehow relevant... But you still pay him big time the next couple of ones for being CP0, wich prevents you from adding quality role players with Keldon + 4 picks + whatever less in your pocket... Lillard doesn't fit the timeline, it's too risky of a short term move.

Let’s be real. Spurs can find quality role players anywhere. Keldon was the 29th pick, man.

[RD2191]

Spurm fans delighted at handing out loyalty contracts to bums like Mills but say no to a star player like Lillard. I forgot this board was full of retarded scrubs. :lol

[Teamduncan21]

Feels like he's dropping a few other teams for Miami to find ways to pay up. As Miami has no assets. Just to have some bidding war.

[Dejounte]

Bobby Marks proposing Vassell, McD, and 2024 Charlotte pick. That’s a straight up steal. Spurs are giving up practically nothing, unless you’re a homer and think Vassell turning into a star is 100% certainty.

[Degoat]

This news has completely halted any free agency buzz lol I hope he gets traded soon. I would be all in on Lillard but I’d give it a 3% chance of happening . With Wemby on board the spurs name is gonna be thrown into a lot of rumors. Will end up being the team that absorbs Nurkic in a Dame trade

[RD2191]

In before Miami gets him for a bum and some peanuts while it would cost the Spurs their entire roster because apparently only other teams can ever trade without mortgaging their future. :lol

[Vic Petro]

God willing Wemby plays 15+ years. There will be multiple timelines

[Obstructed_View]

Feels like he's dropping a few other teams for Miami to find ways to pay up. As Miami has no assets. Just to have some bidding war.

Remember: they ALWAYS mention the Spurs because it makes them look like they care about the team.

[Cardinal]

Bobby Marks proposing Vassell, McD, and 2024 Charlotte pick. That’s a straight up steal. Spurs are giving up practically nothing, unless you’re a homer and think Vassell turning into a star is 100% certainty.

I would absolutely do this. It's gotta beat any package that Miami could put together.

[Jordan Jackson]

Dame is politely asking the Spurs to come to the table with an offer. They should - kick the tires and see where they stand. It doesn’t hurt to look.

I think he lands in Miami - where he won’t win a God damn thing there either.

[Dverde]

I don’t see a deal for dame without including one of our young core. I imagine Vassell would be the one. I don’t think the Spurs FO got the balls to make such a huge franchise disrupting trade. It really could go one way or the other and sets us off our current trajectory.

[Obstructed_View]

God willing Wemby plays 15+ years. There will be multiple timelines

A guy on YouTube did a simulation. Wemby played 26 years, was all-time in scoring, rebounds and blocks, won 7 rings, 4 MVP, and 8 dpoy.

[slick'81]

Wright certainly doesn't have the balls but is rc drunk enough ?!

[Dejounte]

I don’t see a deal for dame without including one of our young core. I imagine Vassell would be the one. I don’t think the Spurs FO got the balls to make such a huge franchise disrupting trade. It really could go one way or the other and sets us off on a solid trajectory.

The great thing about our depth at wing (Branham, Sidy, Keldon, Sochan) is that losing Vassell isn’t disruptive. at. all.

[timtonymanu]

In before Miami gets him for a bum and some peanuts while it would cost the Spurs their entire roster because apparently only other teams can ever trade without mortgaging their future. :lol

That's what I'm saying too. And we know the Guests have a bitter history with us (taking Batum, losing Aldridge to us, the playoff losses to us). They would ask for like Sochan + Branham. But from Miami, I bet they would gladly take an offer of like Duncan Robinson and picks lol.

[BatManu20]

Exchange Vassell with Devante Graham and you’ve got yourself a deal Portland.

[JPB]

Damian would be what Chris Paul was to the Suns. Chris Paul made the Suns finally develop into a contender. Outside stars saw that and wanted to join a couple years later. There was a future after Paul. There will be a future after Lillard because it will elevate the team by a ton and stars around the league will find it enticing.

What future? they lost in the The WC conference semi after trading Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder + four first-round picks, a 2028 pick swap for a 34 old durant with CP0 gone now... That's too evanescent of a reasoning, you can't trade for Lillard for the hypothetical attraction he would generate around the spurs. There's Wemby for that... And again, spurs are not making the finals in the next 2 years adding Lillard, so I don't know what hype he would generate in SA.

[Mal]

I really think Spurs should trade for Lillard using their picks in next season.

[Dverde]

Bobby Marks proposing Vassell, McD, and 2024 Charlotte pick. That’s a straight up steal. Spurs are giving up practically nothing, unless you’re a homer and think Vassell turning into a star is 100% certainty.

Gotta take more picks than that. No way that’s the price.

[BatManu20]

Portland using the Spurs’ good name to create leverage. Same as usual. Nothing to see here boys.