2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT

[Vince Carter's ankle]

:lol Jesus they couldn’t even get Plumlee
Wow
you once again dreamed up something like before the draft
and when this SUDDENLY does not happen, you begin to nervously beat your fists on the keyboard

[ChumpDumper]

It's different NBA now, money is absurd.
Owners are willing to pay 250mil with penalty taxes to keep their 50 mil a year players. Spurs won when whole cap was 50mil. You cannot compete 100mil roster vs 250mil, in league where any player can request a trade to certain team.Welp, you might have to root for a sovereign fund to buy the Spurs if you think that's the only way to go now.

I think the ownership is doing this because the money is absurd and they're making the profit while they have this one-time windfall.

[Mal]

Welp, you might have to root for a sovereign fund to buy the Spurs if you think that's the only way to go now.

I think the ownership is doing this because the money is absurd and they're making the profit while they have this one-time windfall.

Sure you can always fill the piggy bank now, and spend it later when true window opens

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah people keep saying that -- but what does that actually mean? I think the floor is pretty much the cap this season. Are fans going to jump ship if that turns out to be the case?



How much?

People can not jump ship but see that as a less than ideal move. Is it that hard to understand?

[ChumpDumper]

Sure you can always fill the piggy bank now, and spend it later when true window opens

I think it would be odd for a small-time ownership group to not do this.

[Bruno]

Spurs not signing a couple of vet FA to improve the team is clearly a choice. This choice had its edges and drawbacks

On the + side :
- It gives more playing time to end of the bench prospect like Champagnie or Bassey. With enough playing time, these players might turn into good rotation NBA players.
- Spurs 2024 first round pick will be better.

On the - side:
- Vets give a more structured play which will help young players development.
- Winning is nice for the players morale/confidence which also impact their development.

I'm sure I'm missing some plusses and minuses but you get the idea. You can't really say Spurs are awesome/stupid to sign nobody because there isn't an obvious right move.

[MannyIsGod]

I didn't follow the Mavs. Is Wood worth throwing a bit of money at or is he empty calories?

Definitely not the locker room presence I want for young players.

[ChumpDumper]

People can not jump ship but see that as a less than ideal move. Is it that hard to understand?I never said anyone's criticism is invalid. It's all a matter of opinion.

Again, I'm just saying what I think is going on. It makes sense to me even if it might not be what I want to happen.

[rjv]

Spurs not signing a couple of vet FA to improve the team is clearly a choice. This choice had its edges and drawbacks

On the + side :
- It gives more playing time to end of the bench prospect like Champagnie or Bassey. With enough playing time, these players might turn into good rotation NBA players.
- Spurs 2024 first round pick will be better.

On the - side:
- Vets give a more structured play which will help young players development.
- Winning is nice for the players morale/confidence which also impact their development.

I'm sure I'm missing some plusses and minuses but you get the idea. You can't really say Spurs are awesome/stupid to sign nobody because there isn't an obvious right move.

stop trying to be a voice of reason; this in violation of ST protocol.

[Mugen]

Spurs not signing a couple of vet FA to improve the team is clearly a choice. This choice had its edges and drawbacks

On the + side :
- It gives more playing time to end of the bench prospect like Champagnie or Bassey. With enough playing time, these players might turn into good rotation NBA players.
- Spurs 2024 first round pick will be better.

On the - side:
- Vets give a more structured play which will help young players development.
- Winning is nice for the players morale/confidence which also impact their development.

I'm sure I'm missing some plusses and minuses but you get the idea. You can't really say Spurs are awesome/stupid to sign nobody because there isn't an obvious right move.

Give it a day or two when they bring back Gorgui so they can get the worst of both worlds :lol

[NASpurs]

I have no problem with the wait and see approach. Too many unknowns at the moment.

If this was 24 year old Wemby in year 5 in the league and the Spurs are wasting his career with crap players, then yeah, I'll be more boisterous.

[Bruno]

Give it a day or two when they bring back Gorgui so they can get the worst of both worlds :lol

On thing is sure, Gorgui won't help Spurs win games. We're safe on that side.

[Mal]

Assume Spurs are willing to help Miami and lets say they will take Tyler Herro and his massive deal. Would they have to add to trade or just taking this contract is enough ?

[exstatic]

I mean don't wait next summer to extend vassell

His contract will be up and he’ll be a RFA next summer. You can’t extend a contract that has ended.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs not signing a couple of vet FA to improve the team is clearly a choice. This choice had its edges and drawbacks

On the + side :
- It gives more playing time to end of the bench prospect like Champagnie or Bassey. With enough playing time, these players might turn into good rotation NBA players.
- Spurs 2024 first round pick will be better.

On the - side:
- Vets give a more structured play which will help young players development.
- Winning is nice for the players morale/confidence which also impact their development.

I'm sure I'm missing some plusses and minuses but you get the idea. You can't really say Spurs are awesome/stupid to sign nobody because there isn't an obvious right move.

Good take. While I would have liked another big, it's not because of playing time but because of our recent injury history. Sochan, Collins, and Bassey each have injury concerns.

Plumlee wasn't necessarily getting second role promises. Bassey is the priority. Plumlee may even get to start in LAC. He may - shockingly - like living there and the promise of a playoff spot.

It's not a huge deal. Maybe I would have liked a Cody Zeller, but again we have a crew of bigs right now. Barlow is more promising than we thought.

[Mr. Body]

Also, money isn't a reason for this. The Spurs organization is going to make a butt-load of money from Wembanyama this year. They're going to sell out every game at higher than usual prices and merch is going to fly out the door.

The real cap? Plumlee is 33 years old and the team has about 12 players younger than 23, a 24 year old and a 25 year old. We can't get the average to go up too high.

[spurraider21]

Some real Sniff gems since they won the lottery tbh:

-"They tried to trade back into the 1st round but the cost was too high" (Mavs easily traded back in with SAC)
-Trading #33 makes a lot of sense because Sidy is probably on a two-way (Sidy is on a fully guaranteed contract)
-Spurs should wait until July 6th to make an offer to Reaves, he'll definitely wait it out until then (Reaves signs on July 2nd at a heavy discount)
-Mamu not getting a QO isn't a cheap move, they're working on something big (No other moves besides bringing Manu back for a few hundred K cheaper)
-Spurs are being smart by not giving out huge money and locking up a bunch of years to FAs (Vet deals and 1yr contracts to a ton of guys that would have helped the roster and not even get in the way of the young guys)

:lol "Uhhh we like what we have"
spurs do absolutely nothing in the offseason

sniffers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqYGtKx9WM

[Bruno]

Assume Spurs are willing to help Miami and lets say they will take Tyler Herro and his massive deal. Would they have to add to trade or just taking this contract is enough ?

Contract-wise Herro is quite similar to Jordan Poole. I find their level quite similar too.

The Poole trade was something like Poole+1st for Chris Paul.

[duncan2150]

His contract will be up and he’ll be a RFA next summer. You can’t extend a contract that has ended.

LOL I understand. spurs can extend vassell before the season right ? they can also SIGN him next summer ? so i understand the rules but thanks teacher

SOOOOO What i mean it's better to extend him this summer than waiting a year

[Seventyniner]

The way the Spurs are approaching free agency so far is strange. They're operating like an over-the-cap team.

[Bruno]

Good take. While I would have liked another big, it's not because of playing time but because of our recent injury history. Sochan, Collins, and Bassey each have injury concerns.

Agree. I also wonder if Khem Birch can still play. Having him at the end of bench (behind Bassey and Mamu) would work.

A sure thing is that Spurs aren't done for this summer. They are currently between $2M and $4M below the floor and they will go over it for sure.

[scott]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2024/ufa/

a little bit similar to this year as jaylen brown will probably extend

I think it's best to operate under the assumption that most FA classes will look like this one. Good players don't hit FA, they'll be extended or traded.

I hope Spurs fans aren't waiting for us to pounce in the next epic FA class that will never come. Spurs will either draft or trade for their 2nd star.

[spurraider21]

The way the Spurs are approaching free agency so far is strange. They're operating like an over-the-cap team.
theyre operating like an above the second apron repeat offender team

[Ariel]

Spurs not signing a couple of vet FA to improve the team is clearly a choice
But did they make an pitch for SOMEONE and FAILED, or they NEVER EVEN TRIED? We know what Brian Wright said about taking time to see where they're at, but this bit of information might help set expectations on what's to follow. It'd be interesting to dig a bit on this if you can, timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8)

[PrimeMinister]

shame on BW and the spurs org for not generating a free agent pool of players that actually make sense for this team

[Jordan Jackson]

But they have.

Several times.

You saw it.

I saw Tim Duncan realized it and try to leave. ( btw Orlando really fumbled that at the 1 yard line woof).

Spurs are very lucky Duncan is such a solid dude bailing out ownership by taking pay cuts.

We’ll see how this Wemby era plays out. But they are going to have to make a significant financial commitment down the road to win.

[Mr. Body]

But did they make an pitch for SOMEONE and FAILED, or they NEVER EVEN TRIED? We know what Brian Wright said about taking time to see where they're at, but this bit of information might help set expectations on what's to follow. It'd be interesting to dig a bit on this if you can, timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8)

Probably never know. My sense just by watching and listening to what they have said, they didn't want long-term contracts - and my feeling is that means even more than this next season. And the team is literally jammed with players. I don't think they wanted to bring players into the development schemes thay have in place already.

Given the lack of long-term money they were willing to give out, I doubt many players were interested. But most teams know exactly what they need and are in places where they have to overpay and overpromise. The Spurs don't.

I still don't see any players we really missed on other than a Plumlee, and it feels like they may have made a move for him and he simply declined. My guess for one reason is because the team will not promise him anything. Mason Plumlee has literally no future on this team. He's 33 and is close to done with his career and certainly how good he can get. The bigs on the Spurs -- we have no idea how good they can be yet.

[Ariel]

Another possibility is that they're not sure what they need right now (Bassey, Barlow, Wesley might make a big jump or may suck), and they think they can get a stop gap of the caliber that's available right now in free agency , later on via trade (20 2nds should be enough for 6 of those).

[JPB]

this is the "you participate in society" meme in sports fanhood form

congratulations

guys, if you're here on spurstalk, make sure you effusively praise everything the team does. unless you are willing to abandon your fanhood, please refrain from having any criticism over what is happening. thank you.

It's not because you're not critisizing what spurs are doing that you're an FO fanboi. No need to caricature, spurs know what they're doing, that's their job and they have a plan, like it or not. Is that a good plan? I believe it is and there's no move worth doing so far...

So why should I lament pages after pages because they didn't overpay Reaves who was always staying in LA anyway, or trade for a Lillard who does'nt fit the timeline and compromise their plans, just because his agent threw the spurs out there to "class up" his player while Dame also never wanted to come here (and I understand he doesn't have the final word), or sign Lopez who was always staying in Milwaukee... Or whoever just for the sake of saying they did anything...?

Critisizing for critisizing doesn't make one smarter... I know these guys know what they're doing. They have cap, a boatload of picks and a generational player. Being smart is not wasting any of that and making sure you only make the right moves to make the best of your hand and clean the table at the river... You disagree? Fine, but that doesn't make you smarter or cooler.

[ChumpDumper]

I saw Tim Duncan realized it and try to leave. ( btw Orlando really fumbled that at the 1 yard line woof).

Spurs are very lucky Duncan is such a solid dude bailing out ownership by taking pay cuts.

We’ll see how this Wemby era plays out. But they are going to have to make a significant financial commitment down the road to win.

And they will, just like they did before. If they stay at the floor this season, that's a part of the plan.

[scott]

Like I've said in other threads, the Spurs did so well in setting themselves up for this that there are many paths to team building they can take from here that are viable. The wait and see approach they are choosing is a perfect valid one, no matter how much it frustrates fans.

What I'll have my eye on is what Devin's extension comes in at. If it's 4/120, then it will be interesting because you (theoretically) could get Herro on the same deal and personally I think Hero is a better player. If the Spurs go ahead and extend Devin for 4/120, then it means one or more of the following is true:


The Spurs rate Devin above Herro (which I don't agree with, but they are the professionals at this - I am not)
Herro wasn't really attainable, or requiring giving up assets that are worth more than the gap between Herro and Devin
The Spurs value loyalty more than the gap between Herro and Devin


All of the above are okay - but it's a piece of info that will be good to know. Like I said, I'd prefer Herro to Vassell at 4/120... but if Devin is at 4/100 then it's a harder call.

Like ChumpDumper and I have stated, it seems like the floor is the cap for this year, and that's okay too so long as it is a short term scenario. Eventually this FO is going to have to pony up and push the chips in. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they will... but hopefully the fan base and media will keep the pressure on them to do so (narrator: they won't).

[Bruno]

But did they make an pitch for SOMEONE and FAILED, or they NEVER EVEN TRIED? We know what Brian Wright said about taking time to see where they're at, but this bit of information might help set expectations on what's to follow.

There are something like 100 good players that were free agents. If Spurs were truly looking to add one or two vets through free agency, they could have done it. That's why I say it was a choice.

[Ariel]

There are something like 100 good players that were free agents. If Spurs were truly looking to add one or two vets through free agency, they could have done it. That's why I say it was a choice.
Yeah, I get that, but that only applies if you want to fill a spot at any cost, which was always unlikely to be the case. But maybe they targeted 2 of those 100 and failed, or couldn't reach an agreement, or whatever. The Spurs aren't the type to go after ANY player at position X, they have their targets and may prefer to stand pat if their target of choice can't be had. Those 2 are not 1 and the same.

[EricB]

Refusing Tyler Herro would be beyond insulting.

kid is 23 and a damn good player.

[PrimeMinister]

seeing a lot of the jingling keys type of spurs fans bringing up timmy's near walk year to orlando...but when wemby's contract year comes do you think his decision will be determined by the 3 years he could have spent with damian lillard to start his career, or the potential trajectory of the franchise at that point in time?

gonna go with the FO on this one.

[Bruno]

Yeah, I get that, but that only applies if you want to fill a spot at any cost, which was always unlikely to be the case. But maybe they targeted 2 of those 100 and failed, or couldn't reach an agreement, or whatever. The Spurs aren't the type to go after ANY player at position X, they have their targets and may prefer to stand pat if their target of choice can't be had. Those 2 are not 1 and the same.

Maybe you're right, I can't be 100% sure.

Now let's say they wanted to add a center, there were: Plumlee, Landale, Thomas Bryant, Eubanks, Zeller, Metu, Mo Bamba, Robin Lopez...

My assumption, is, that if they had contacted most of these players, they would have end up with one.

[Dejounte]

It's not because you're not critisizing what spurs are doing that you're an FO fanboi. No need to caricature, spurs know what they're doing, that's their job and they have a plan, like it or not. Is that a good plan? I believe it is and there's no move worth doing so far...

So why should I lament pages after pages because they didn't overpay Reaves who was always staying in LA anyway, or trade for a Lillard who does'nt fit the timeline and compromise their plans, just because his agent threw the spurs out there to "class up" his player while Dame also never wanted to come here (and I understand he doesn't have the final word), or sign Lopez who was always staying in Milwaukee... Or whoever just for the sake of saying they did anything...?

Critisizing for critisizing doesn't make one smarter... I know these guys know what they're doing. They have cap, a boatload of picks and a generational player. Being smart is not wasting any of that and making sure you only make the right moves to make the best of your hand and clean the table at the river... You disagree? Fine, but that doesn't make you smarter or cooler.

Worse yet, they’re now resorting to name calling tactics like calling people sniffers. People graduated high school but they never left it. Sad, really.

[spurraider21]

seeing a lot of the jingling keys type of spurs fans bringing up timmy's near walk year to orlando...but when wemby's contract year comes do you think his decision will be determined by the 3 years he could have spent with damian lillard to start his career, or the potential trajectory of the franchise at that point in time?

gonna go with the FO on this one.
not just the orlando year. but then his complete commitment to the team while taking below-market pay for the rest of his career. im not expecting wemby to go full kawhi on us, but cant just take for granted he'll be another timmy

the last time timmy made the all-nba first team he was making less than 10 mil per year.

[Ariel]

Maybe you're right, I can't be 100% sure.

Now let's say they wanted to add a center, there were: Plumlee, Landale, Thomas Bryant, Eubanks, Zeller, Metu, Mo Bamba, Robin Lopez...

My assumption, is, that if they had contacted most of these players, they would have end up with one.
The conclusion that we can both agree is that they weren't DESPERATE to find one, that's for sure (I'd have taken Plumlee or Landale for sure if possible). I guess we'll find out eventually about the rest.

[scott]

And they will, just like they did before. If they stay at the floor this season, that's a part of the plan.

This is the thing I'd like to dig in on. Is there a place that shows historical Spurs payrolls relative to the cap? We know they'd done enough to hang 5 banner from the rafters, which is rad. But how much of that relied on stars taking hometown deals versus the FO stepping up and writing checks?

In the future, they are going to have to open that checkbook. Right now I give them the benefit of the doubt that they will... but what evidence do we really have that they will? The capital partners they have brought on would point to spending in the future... but I just hope that they FO doesn't get cheap in the future because they've got their Wemby meal ticket.

I think these are fair questions/doubts to have. This FO has proven to do a GREAT job at selling and accumulating assets to build... but we haven't seen them do any buying yet. I can buy into the case that it isn't time yet... but time will eventually come.

[PrimeMinister]

not just the orlando year. but then his complete commitment to the team while taking below-market pay for the rest of his career. im not expecting wemby to go full kawhi on us, but cant just take for granted he'll be another timmy

you can't take anything about this situation for granted. that's why ensuring you can sustain success into the years that he actually has the choice to leave is very important.

[scott]

seeing a lot of the jingling keys type of spurs fans bringing up timmy's near walk year to orlando...but when wemby's contract year comes do you think his decision will be determined by the 3 years he could have spent with damian lillard to start his career, or the potential trajectory of the franchise at that point in time?

gonna go with the FO on this one.

Good point here. Come year 6 in Wemby's career, when he will truly be approaching the crossroads, his feelings towards this franchise will be based on what has happened the previous 2-3 years. Hopefully the Spurs will have kicked into gear by then. If in Year 6 we are still talking about our cap space and all the assets we have saved up, we'll have really screwed the pooch.

[exstatic]

I saw Tim Duncan realized it and try to leave. ( btw Orlando really fumbled that at the 1 yard line woof).

Spurs are very lucky Duncan is such a solid dude bailing out ownership by taking pay cuts.

We’ll see how this Wemby era plays out. But they are going to have to make a significant financial commitment down the road to win.

Tim Duncan didn’t take a pay cut until 2010, after he’d been in the league 13 years. The Spurs cheerfully paid him every dollar the could for those 13 years.

[ChumpDumper]

This is the thing I'd like to dig in on. Is there a place that shows historical Spurs payrolls relative to the cap? We know they'd done enough to hang 5 banner from the rafters, which is rad. But how much of that relied on stars taking hometown deals versus the FO stepping up and writing checks?For most of the competitive Duncan years, I remember the Spurs hanging around the tax threshold but rarely going over. I do think there were years that the cap/tax issues did affect personnel decisions (Scola thread!), but most of the time they were spending as much as small-time owners in a small market could be expected to spend.

[Mugen]

spurs do absolutely nothing in the offseason

sniffers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqYGtKx9WM

:lmao

[jesterbobman]

I was curious and wasn't sure of my memories of us being a marginal tax team were accurate, so googled. This is best place I could find for comparisons of teams over time on total salaries (there'll be better ones, but good enough).

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/

The Spurs have never been the biggest spenders, but there have been years (2016/17 they were 4th in the league) where they paid big money, and were consistently around 10th (sometimes higher, sometimes lower) based on when extensions kicked in (e.g, Parker got money after 2005).

I don't think there's any doubt that they were on the cheap side for a title contending team.

[scott]

To Summarize my thoughts on this whole scenario, which again starts with the basic premise that our FO has done such a GREAT job in getting us to this point that we have lots of viable options to argue over:


Going after Dame is a great move *IF* you believe that Wemby will be a Duncan-level rookie (All NBA 1st Team, 5th in MVP voting AS A ROOKIE)
Going after someone like Herro or Reaves is a great move *IF* you believe they are better than the players you already have (I think Herro would be our best player immediately after Wemby. I put Reaves equal to Vassell personally, though my personal opinions don't really matter)
Standing pat and seeing what we have is a great move *IF* you think you have some real potential on the roster in Devin/KJ/Sochan/Bran *AND* you are committed to pushing in the chips at some point down the road.


Right now I think there is some justifiable skepticism that this FO is committed to pushing in the chips down the road. This is Sam Presti Syndrome. You collect assets forever and never actually make a move to go all-in. Maybe OKC is finally turning that corner now, though I'm not sure. I'm willing to give this FO the benefit of the doubt... but I have a little bit of skepticism in the back of mind.

We're on track #3. That is perfectly fine. Go Spurs Go.

[RC_Drunkford]

do people realize the Spurs only want to make the salary floor to get the luxury tax payout? :lol Otherwise they wouldn't even care, like last season. Holt's hustling the NBA :lol

[intlspurshk]

So the Spurs behavior in FA market shows that the path to get the second star player is through draft unless some existing star is available through trade like DL in the coming years (highly unlikely). It is still a strategy and probably makes sense when the NBA will still be ruled by Nuggets and the Joker for the next few years.

[objective]

Holt kids are working that inherited wealth like geniuses.

Keep payroll low while Wemby is cheap and pocket all the money

Sell out to a Vegas or Seattle group and get them billions before you have to pay Wemby a 5 year 350 million dollar deal

[PrimeMinister]

i dont read into their "behavior" any further than understanding it was an extremely weak FA class, especially in terms of players that actually fit into the equation for this particular team long term

[K...]

Oh no they got robin Lopez too

[Bruno]

I was curious and wasn't sure of my memories of us being a marginal tax team were accurate, so googled. This is best place I could find for comparisons of teams over time on total salaries (there'll be better ones, but good enough).


There was a year, where PATFO thought the team wasn't talented enough to win it all and got the green light from ownership to go significantly into luxury tax territory.

That year was 2009-2010 and the move that put Spurs deep into luxury tax territory was the trade for Richard Jefferson...

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs have paid luxury tax six times.

I wasn’t aware the fan base was expecting them to hand a bag to a marginal free agent just to prove they’re willing to spend money.

The Spurs ought to be ready to make the playoffs in 2024-25 and contend for championships in 2025-26. If instead they have a bargain-basement shitty supporting cast around Victor holding him back, I’ll be right there damning them.

Of course it would also be galactically stupid from a financial standpoint to alienate and disillusion their meal ticket by doing that, and I expect them to act in their own best interest.

[ismael-robert]

They're just trying to make up for 4 years of lost profits...at least profits their accustomed to

[spurraider21]

at least now we finally know the real reason Holt was so pumped to win the draft lotto

[mo7888]

I don't buy the Spurs are being cheap for the sake of putting money in the owner's pocket takes. We paid the tax in the past when we were in a position to compete for championships. I don't agree with their passivity this offseason, but I don't think its just being cheap.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs have paid luxury tax six times.

I wasn’t aware the fan base was expecting them to hand a bag to a marginal free agent just to prove they’re willing to spend money.



Seriously. This "let's buy shit just to buy shit" just show an incomplete and petulant understanding of the team. I always wonder how such a smart franchise has such frantic, jumpy, and mindless fans.

[scott]

I was curious and wasn't sure of my memories of us being a marginal tax team were accurate, so googled. This is best place I could find for comparisons of teams over time on total salaries (there'll be better ones, but good enough).

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/

The Spurs have never been the biggest spenders, but there have been years (2016/17 they were 4th in the league) where they paid big money, and were consistently around 10th (sometimes higher, sometimes lower) based on when extensions kicked in (e.g, Parker got money after 2005).

I don't think there's any doubt that they were on the cheap side for a title contending team.

This is great info - thank you

[Mr. Body]

i dont read into their "behavior" any further than understanding it was an extremely weak FA class, especially in terms of players that actually fit into the equation for this particular team long term

The mopey types haven't said who they think the Spurs should have acquired and at what price.

[scott]

Interesting that in 2013-14, when we were perhaps one of the greatest teams of all time, we ranked #19 in total payroll.

Also, our very very very good 2015-16 and 2016-17 teams ranked #5 and #4, respectively.

[JPB]

So the Spurs behavior in FA market shows that the path to get the second star player is through draft unless some existing star is available through trade like DL in the coming years (highly unlikely). It is still a strategy and probably makes sense when the NBA will still be ruled by Nuggets and the Joker for the next few years.

More than FAs, I believe a star asking for a trade (and fitting the timeline) may be the safer way to grab one. If the Kyrie experience fails and Dallas is having another disappointing year, who knows if Luka may ask out? He'll be 25 next year and the idea of forming a dynasty with Wemby in a formidable and uber-talented guard/big combo could seduce him. Kid hates to lose as much as Victor.

And I don't see any team with better assets than the spurs (reason why not wasting them matters) to make that trade happen (young players + picsk)... If Luka says he only wants to come here, Cuban won't have any choice and will eat his pride, with our goodies to cope.

[BackHome]

I look at all these new posters and I am seeing like they have thousands posts and I am like I don't ever remember seeing any of there post the past several years. All of a sudden we get the number 1 pick and all these strange posters coming out of the wood work suddenly start chirping feels like room full of Cicadas.

People who follow the Spurs understand that we have won our championships through tanking and drafting and we will win another one doing the exact same thing. If it ain't broke don't fix it ..........it is not Rocket Science. So sit back and enjoy the ride you might actually find out you enjoy watching the kids grow up just like we did with Tony, Timmy, Manu, and Parker...:flag:

[spurraider21]

Interesting that in 2013-14, when we were perhaps one of the greatest teams of all time, we ranked #19 in total payroll.

Also, our very very very good 2015-16 and 2016-17 teams ranked #5 and #4, respectively.
in that 13-14 season, duncan was making about 10 mil, manu about 7. kawhi was on his rookie deal earning less than 2 mil

splitter was making nearly as much as duncan was

[DAF86]

I look at all these new posters and I am seeing like they have thousands posts and I am like I don't ever remember seeing any of there post the past several years. All of a sudden we get the number 1 pick and all these strange posters coming out of the wood work suddenly start chirping feels like room full of Cicadas.

People who follow the Spurs understand that we have won our championships through tanking and drafting and we will win another one doing the exact same thing. If it ain't broke don't fix it ..........it is not Rocket Science. So sit back and enjoy the ride you might actually find out you enjoy watching the kids grow up just like we did with Tony, Timmy, Manu, and Parker...:flag:

Oh yeah, Tony and Parker, my favourite combination of PGs.

[scott]

More than FAs, I believe a star asking for a trade (and fitting the timeline) may be the safer way to grab one. If the Kyrie experience fails and Dallas is having another disappointing year, who knows if Luka may ask out? He'll be 25 next year and the idea of forming a dynasty with Wemby in a formidable and uber-talented guard/big combo could seduce him. Kid hates to lose as much as Victor.

And I don't see any team with better assets than the spurs (reason why not wasting them matters) to make that trade happen (young players + picsk)... If Luka says he only wants to come here, Cuban won't have any choice and will eat his pride, with our goodies to cope.

The player empowerment and giving them the ability to successfully demand trades has effectively killed free agency and in some ways works in the Spurs favor, because it allows them to compete for players who may not otherwise want to come here.

But I quoted the bolded portion, because too much player empowerment (I will only play for XXXXX) may hurt the Spurs, because even with Wemby I don't think a lot of players are going to say they will only play for the Spurs (unfortunately).

[TekXX]

I look at all these new posters and I am seeing like they have thousands posts and I am like I don't ever remember seeing any of there post the past several years. All of a sudden we get the number 1 pick and all these strange posters coming out of the wood work suddenly start chirping feels like room full of Cicadas.

People who follow the Spurs understand that we have won our championships through tanking and drafting and we will win another one doing the exact same thing. If it ain't broke don't fix it ..........it is not Rocket Science. So sit back and enjoy the ride you might actually find out you enjoy watching the kids grow up just like we did with Tony, Timmy, Manu, and Parker...:flag:

In fairness, this place has been a graveyard for the past 5 years or so, something interesting has finally happened to the Spurs so yea you'll get newbies. Sorry they disagree with your opinion.

[lefty20]

Which team ? Denver 7th payroll, GSW 1st, Toronto in 19` - 4th, Milwaukee 7th.

Denver has Jokic & Murray making a bank - Do people really want Spurs to splurge like that on some weak ass free agents?

GSW had Curry, Klay, Dray & Wiggings... - Do people...

Toronto in 19 had Nephew, Lowry making. - Do people...

Milwaukee has Giannis, Middleton & Jrue.. - Do people....

Spurs don't have anyone of that level on that roster, yet. Wemby will likely command that rookie designation max, and if the Spurs don't give it him then by all means posters should complaint loudly. Everyone would join in on that.

Spending cap on fodder for the sake of spending is how you get a treadmilling team.

Spurs ownership has shown that they are willing to pay the Luxury Tax during contending years before. It makes no sense to be upset about them not blowing their load rn when the team is just about to start their transition from tanking to learning how to Win with a roster full of young unproven players.

[scott]

Denver has Jokic & Murray making a bank - Do people really want Spurs to splurge like that on some weak ass free agents?

GSW had Curry, Klay, Dray & Wiggings... - Do people...

Toronto in 19 had Nephew, Lowry making. - Do people...

Milwaukee has Giannis, Middleton & Jrue.. - Do people....

Spurs don't have anyone of that level on that roster, yet. Wemby will likely command that rookie designation max, and if the Spurs don't give it him then by all means posters should complaint loudly. Everyone would join in on that.

Spending cap on fodder for the sake of spending is how you get a treadmilling team.

Spurs ownership has shown that they are willing to pay the Luxury Tax during contending years before. It makes no sense to be upset about them not blowing their load rn when the team is just about to start their transition from tanking to learning how to Win with a roster full of young unproven players.

I agree your entire post - but I do think it is worth pointing out that this is a different ownership group. Hold Jr is not his father, many of the old legacy owners have bowed out, and there are new capital partners in play. The new capital partners is what gives me hope that they'll be willing to spend. I don't see the point in investing in a team like the Spurs if not to build a winner that you can market. Being a low-spending team can be a good business model, but not when you are buying in at a $2B valuation.

[TekXX]

I agree your entire post - but I do think it is worth pointing out that this is a different ownership group. Hold Jr is not his father, many of the old legacy owners have bowed out, and there are new capital partners in play. The new capital partners is what gives me hope that they'll be willing to spend. I don't see the point in investing in a team like the Spurs if not to build a winner that you can market. Being a low-spending team can be a good business model, but not when you are buying in at a $2B valuation.

Are the Holts still majority owners?

[KobesAchilles]

What would a realistic trade option for James Harden look like. I know nobody wants him, but could we send Philly filler plus the Chi pick and the Charlotte pick? There’s almost zero market for him and he has to play well if he wants a max salary after next year.

I reaaaaaally don’t want Tre Jones as our starting PG guys. Just a waste of a fucking season in both wins and Wemby development if that’s the case

[ChumpDumper]

I don't buy the Spurs are being cheap for the sake of putting money in the owner's pocket takes. We paid the tax in the past when we were in a position to compete for championships. I don't agree with their passivity this offseason, but I don't think its just being cheap.

Make the money now to spend later.

[spurraider21]

What would a realistic trade option for James Harden look like. I know nobody wants him, but could we send Philly filler plus the Chi pick and the Charlotte pick? There’s almost zero market for him and he has to play well if he wants a max salary after next year.

I reaaaaaally don’t want Tre Jones as our starting PG guys. Just a waste of a fucking season in both wins and Wemby development if that’s the case
absolutely hell no to harden under any circumstances. like, i'm not for getting in on the lillard sweepstakes at all, but man id prefer that to harden and it doesnt come close.

i like tre as a player, not as a starter, but it is what it is for this year. devote graham will also be playing on what is effectively a contract year trying to prove himself, and Wesley should have plenty of opportunities to showcase his development. branham also spent quite a bit of time running the point last year. i dont know if thats still an experiment they're interested in or not, but there will be a few versions of this offense. and we already know theyve tried some of that with sochan as well

i dont think its going to just be the Tre Jones show all year

[MannyIsGod]

What would a realistic trade option for James Harden look like. I know nobody wants him, but could we send Philly filler plus the Chi pick and the Charlotte pick? There’s almost zero market for him and he has to play well if he wants a max salary after next year.

I reaaaaaally don’t want Tre Jones as our starting PG guys. Just a waste of a fucking season in both wins and Wemby development if that’s the case

No Dude. Just no.

[TD 21]

Said it before but it bears repeating for those obsessed with adding a rotational C: The Heat made two Finals and three Conference Finals in four seasons with a bunch of undrafted players playing relatively important roles throughout.

If they could do that, then surely the re-building Spurs can provide opportunity for similar types to do the same.

[scott]

Are the Holts still majority owners?

My understanding is they are not majority owners, but they are the managing partners (meaning they are likely the biggest owner)

[scott]

Would rather start MannyIsGod at PG and go 0-82 than trade for Harden so we could get the 6 seed.

[NASpurs]

Said it before but it bears repeating for those obsessed with adding a rotational C: The Heat made two Finals and three Conference Finals in four seasons with a bunch of undrafted players playing relatively important roles throughout.

If they could do that, then surely the re-building Spurs can provide opportunity for similar types to do the same.

Yeah and the Spurs have it better than the Heat with so many future first round picks. I feel like the Spurs are taking the OKC Thunder route when they drafted Durant, Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka.

[spurraider21]

Yeah and the Spurs have it better than the Heat with so many future first round picks. I feel like the Spurs are taking the OKC Thunder route when they drafted Durant, Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka.
we're on track too. cheap OKC ownership cost them harden

:lol prioritizing kendrick porkins over harden

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1676002889569906688

[Mal]

Denver has Jokic & Murray making a bank - Do people really want Spurs to splurge like that on some weak ass free agents?

GSW had Curry, Klay, Dray & Wiggings... - Do people...

Toronto in 19 had Nephew, Lowry making. - Do people...

Milwaukee has Giannis, Middleton & Jrue.. - Do people....

Spurs don't have anyone of that level on that roster, yet. Wemby will likely command that rookie designation max, and if the Spurs don't give it him then by all means posters should complaint loudly. Everyone would join in on that.

Spending cap on fodder for the sake of spending is how you get a treadmilling team.

Spurs ownership has shown that they are willing to pay the Luxury Tax during contending years before. It makes no sense to be upset about them not blowing their load rn when the team is just about to start their transition from tanking to learning how to Win with a roster full of young unproven players.

This post was made, after someone said there is internal cap, which prevents Spurs from spending, but they still can win with smaller payroll, which I do not agree, and examples showed, eventually you need to spend, a lot on superstars.

[scott]

This post was made, after someone said there is internal cap, which prevents Spurs from spending, but they still can win with smaller payroll, which I do not agree, and examples showed, eventually you need to spend, a lot on superstars.

I made the post about the Spurs being on an internal cap... but I think it's a short term internal cap (like, last year and this year). Spurs will of course need to spend eventually.

[KobesAchilles]

Now that Houston has FVV, we have the worst starting PG in the league. I don’t know why everyone on Spurstalk just seems content with that. I guess nobody here remembers the Avery Johnson days. They were dark times. The dude would just get destroyed by every WC point guard. KJ, Tim, Jason, Gary, John, even Kenny would all destroy the bum. and yet it was said we lost bc Robinson was “soft” :lol

[Mr. Body]

Now that Houston has FVV, we have the worst starting PG in the league. I don’t know why everyone on Spurstalk just seems content with that. I guess nobody here remembers the Avery Johnson days. They were dark times. The dude would just get destroyed by every WC point guard. KJ, Tim, Jason, Gary, John, even Kenny would all destroy the bum. and yet it was said we lost bc Robinson was “soft” :lol

Good to know. We'll mark this down: get a PG in the future.

[tonight...you]

Now that Houston has FVV, we have the worst starting PG in the league. I don’t know why everyone on Spurstalk just seems content with that. I guess nobody here remembers the Avery Johnson days. They were dark times. The dude would just get destroyed by every WC point guard. KJ, Tim, Jason, Gary, John, even Kenny would all destroy the bum. and yet it was said we lost bc Robinson was “soft” :lol
TBF, he did hit the series clenching shot to win it all in '99.

[scott]

Now that Houston has FVV, we have the worst starting PG in the league. I don’t know why everyone on Spurstalk just seems content with that. I guess nobody here remembers the Avery Johnson days. They were dark times. The dude would just get destroyed by every WC point guard. KJ, Tim, Jason, Gary, John, even Kenny would all destroy the bum. and yet it was said we lost bc Robinson was “soft” :lol

You're talking about NBA Champion starting PG, Avery Johnson? Number-hanging-in-the-rafters Avery Johnson? Fake-behind-the-back-pass-layup Avery Johnson? THE LIL GENERAL?

Tre may be the worst starting PG in the league... but he's OUR worst starting PG in the league. Not like there are a ton of options out there. Even the options I liked/like (Reaves, Herro) aren't true PGs. We'll be okay.

[NASpurs]

Now that Houston has FVV, we have the worst starting PG in the league. I don’t know why everyone on Spurstalk just seems content with that. I guess nobody here remembers the Avery Johnson days. They were dark times. The dude would just get destroyed by every WC point guard. KJ, Tim, Jason, Gary, John, even Kenny would all destroy the bum. and yet it was said we lost bc Robinson was “soft” :lol

I'm pretty sure no one is content and recognize that we have a glaring need.

We just need someone good at that position, we don't need a CP3 player pounding the ball into the ground for 20 seconds. Hopefully Branham can continue to improve.

[Mr. Body]

I'm pretty sure no one is content and recognize that we have a glaring need.

We just need someone good at that position, we don't need a CP3 player pounding the ball into the ground for 20 seconds. Hopefully Branham can continue to improve.

Yeah, this mania for some 'elite' point guard is overblown. We'll need to upgrade our starting PG position, and I don't know who or how that happens, but it's not an insane need just yet.

[Kurik]

2024 draft even if it may be weaker overall is supposed to have a good amount of PG prospects, Collier at USC, Wagner at Kentucky being consistently top 10 in mock drafts.

[KobesAchilles]

You're talking about NBA Champion starting PG, Avery Johnson? Number-hanging-in-the-rafters Avery Johnson? Fake-behind-the-back-pass-layup Avery Johnson? THE LIL GENERAL?

Tre may be the worst starting PG in the league... but he's OUR worst starting PG in the league. Not like there are a ton of options out there. Even the options I liked/like (Reaves, Herro) aren't true PGs. We'll be okay.
Yeah that’s the one. I hated him as a Spurs fan. The dude just got roasted by everybody. Idgaf that his number is up in the banners, he sucked. I do like him hitting the game winner in 99. But if he wasn’t so shitty I feel like Robinson would’ve rang before Duncan came along.

[KobesAchilles]

Good to know. We'll mark this down: get a PG in the future.
I’m glad to see you’re in team Lillard:bobo

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1676018404589699072

[scott]

Yeah that’s the one. I hated him as a Spurs fan. The dude just got roasted by everybody. Idgaf that his number is up in the banners, he sucked. I do like him hitting the game winner in 99. But if he wasn’t so shitty I feel like Robinson would’ve rang before Duncan came along.

I mean, he was no Vinnie Del Negro, but he was alright.

[spurraider21]

TBF, he did hit the series clenching shot to win it all in '99.
oh wow, i never knew that

[KobesAchilles]

I mean, he was no Vinnie Del Negro, but he was alright.
Horrible basketball player but he got every woman in SA so there is that

[tonight...you]

oh wow, i never knew that
Aren't you just itching to be an ass.

[spurraider21]

Aren't you just itching to be an ass.
thats my shtick. dont take it personally

[tonight...you]

thats my shtick. dont take it personally
Fair enough.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah that’s the one. I hated him as a Spurs fan. The dude just got roasted by everybody. Idgaf that his number is up in the banners, he sucked. I do like him hitting the game winner in 99. But if he wasn’t so shitty I feel like Robinson would’ve rang before Duncan came along.

You somehow don't remember Vinny Del Negro or Lloyd Daniels, Chris Whitney, the corpse of Sleepy Floyd.

Your basketball takes are...interesting.

[scott]

Spurs gonna get Dom Barlow on a steal 4/10 contract like Bassey's... and still be under the floor. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Spurs gonna get Dom Barlow on a steal 4/10 contract like Bassey's... and still be under the floor. :lol
Lmao that's exactly how it will go.

[DAF86]

Said it before but it bears repeating for those obsessed with adding a rotational C: The Heat made two Finals and three Conference Finals in four seasons with a bunch of undrafted players playing relatively important roles throughout.

If they could do that, then surely the re-building Spurs can provide opportunity for similar types to do the same.

Many times the difference between second rounders (and even many 1st rounders) and undrafted guys is opportunities. You might not find an undrafted all-star, but you can build many championship level role players if you have the eye and give the guys the time to develop.

[scott]

Working against Dom right now is that signing him would make reaching the floor a lot harder. I assume the 14 guys below are players the Spurs actually want:

Tre/Graham/Blake
Dev/Bran
Keldon/Cedi/Champ
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
Collins/Bassey/Mamu

Assume we waive Birch and Stevens, that leaves only 1 open roster spot and the Spurs have a bit more money to spend to reach the floor. Dom's contract will probably have to wait until the trade deadline and hope that someone gets moved out.

The other alternative would be if the Spurs waive Cedi, but I don't see that happening. I don't think the Spurs would have paid $7MM for just 1 SRP.

Edit: I'm operating under the assumption that the Spurs are close enough to the floor that they will do whatever they need to in order to reach it. They won't give up 50% of the tax payment by falling just barely short.

[MannyIsGod]

You somehow don't remember Vinny Del Negro or Lloyd Daniels, Chris Whitney, the corpse of Sleepy Floyd.

Your basketball takes are...interesting.

Negelle Knight

[Mr. Body]

Working against Dom right now is that signing him would make reaching the floor a lot harder. I assume the 14 guys below are players the Spurs actually want:

Tre/Graham/Blake
Dev/Bran
Keldon/Cedi/Champ
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
Collins/Bassey/Mamu

Assume we waive Birch and Stevens, that leaves only 1 open roster spot and the Spurs have a bit more money to spend to reach the floor. Dom's contract will probably have to wait until the trade deadline and hope that someone gets moved out.

The other alternative would be if the Spurs waive Cedi, but I don't see that happening. I don't think the Spurs would have paid $7MM for just 1 SRP.

How much are they short now? I think they can just up some of the new contracts a bit if it's not too much.

[scott]

How much are they short now? I think they can just up some of the new contracts a bit if it's not too much.

Last I heard it was something in the $6-8MM range.

Could Dev's extension include a raise for this season? Is he eligible for that kind of reworking/extension?

[slick'81]

Negelle Knight

cory Alexander

[MannyIsGod]

Working against Dom right now is that signing him would make reaching the floor a lot harder. I assume the 14 guys below are players the Spurs actually want:

Tre/Graham/Blake
Dev/Bran
Keldon/Cedi/Champ
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
Collins/Bassey/Mamu

Assume we waive Birch and Stevens, that leaves only 1 open roster spot and the Spurs have a bit more money to spend to reach the floor. Dom's contract will probably have to wait until the trade deadline and hope that someone gets moved out.

The other alternative would be if the Spurs waive Cedi, but I don't see that happening. I don't think the Spurs would have paid $7MM for just 1 SRP.

Edit: I'm operating under the assumption that the Spurs are close enough to the floor that they will do whatever they need to in order to reach it. They won't give up 50% of the tax payment by falling just barely short.

Spurs need 2.7 million to get to the floor and Sidy and Barlow aren't signed. They'll get there easily with those 2

[scott]

According to this they are only a little over $3MM to the floor, but that includes Steven's full deal. If we waive him before guaranteeing the whole year, we'd be $4.5 short. We could always guarantee him and then waive him, and that would count towards the floor per timvp

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/

[scott]

Spurs need 2.7 million to get to the floor and Sidy and Barlow aren't signed. They'll get there easily with those 2

From what I could find looks like we are closer to $4.5MM short, and there isn't room for both Sidy and Barlow. One of them will need to be a 2-way.

[CGD]

Working against Dom right now is that signing him would make reaching the floor a lot harder. I assume the 14 guys below are players the Spurs actually want:

Tre/Graham/Blake
Dev/Bran
Keldon/Cedi/Champ
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
Collins/Bassey/Mamu

Assume we waive Birch and Stevens, that leaves only 1 open roster spot and the Spurs have a bit more money to spend to reach the floor. Dom's contract will probably have to wait until the trade deadline and hope that someone gets moved out.

The other alternative would be if the Spurs waive Cedi, but I don't see that happening. I don't think the Spurs would have paid $7MM for just 1 SRP.

Edit: I'm operating under the assumption that the Spurs are close enough to the floor that they will do whatever they need to in order to reach it. They won't give up 50% of the tax payment by falling just barely short.

I wouldn’t put it past them to waive Cedi if there is someone else they like.

[MannyIsGod]

From what I could find looks like we are closer to $4.5MM short, and there isn't room for both Sidy and Barlow. One of them will need to be a 2-way.

Def don't think the 4.5 number is right.

I'm assuming Sidy is almost certainly on a two way although they might just waive him tbh. Barlow is 100% getting an NBA deal and after tonight would be shocked to see him on a two way.

[scott]

Also looks like Tre and Champ's new deals are increasing, not decreasing - so that could maybe be something they futz with to close the gap.

[scott]

Def don't think the 4.5 number is right.

I'm assuming Sidy is almost certainly on a two way although they might just waive him tbh. Barlow is 100% getting an NBA deal and after tonight would be shocked to see him on a two way.

Take a look at the Sportrac link I posted. A shade over $3MM is what they calculate. But Stevens' is only guaranteed roughly $500k, not the 1.9 they have listed, so you have to add back the $1.4MM

[scott]

I'm also not sure the Spurs are going to go sign Barlow based on this one summer league game. Bassey put up a number of as/more impressive G-League games and a few nice NBA outings before the Spurs committed to his deal. It's possible the Spurs were right there on the fence and this one SL game tips them over... but they are usually a little more pragmatic than that.

[MannyIsGod]

Take a look at the Sportrac link I posted. A shade over $3MM is what they calculate. But Stevens' is only guaranteed roughly $500k, not the 1.9 they have listed, so you have to add back the $1.4MM

Ok that checks out then! The sheet I'm looking at has the full 1.9. I'm sure they'll just front load deals if they have to.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm also not sure the Spurs are going to go sign Barlow based on this one summer league game. Bassey put up a number of as/more impressive G-League games and a few nice NBA outings before the Spurs committed to his deal. It's possible the Spurs were right there on the fence and this one SL game tips them over... but they are usually a little more pragmatic than that.

Sure but someone will. And honestly it would be stupid of the spurs not to.

[CGD]

Spurs need 2.7 million to get to the floor and Sidy and Barlow aren't signed. They'll get there easily with those 2

I kinda think they’re close or already there, and we just don’t have all the details. Like maybe Champagne’s deal, reported as 12m/4y, is really 12M in guaranteed money with a 4th partial/non-guaranteed year, such that the starting figure is closer to 4M. And maybe Tre’s deal is slightly frontloaded etc. You can see then how giving Barlow (or whoever) as similar deal to Julian basically gets them there.

I think Sidy is a 2 way deal.

[scott]

Sure but someone will. And honestly it would be stupid of the spurs not to.

You mean someone else will extend Barlow an offer sheet? That might actually work in the Spurs favor, because then the negotiating will be done for them. If a team really wanted to screw with the Spurs, they'd get Dom to sign an offer sheet that doesn't get the Spurs to the floor... then they'd be left with a difficult decision (because it would mean they'd have to cut someone else).

[scott]

I kinda think they’re close or already there, and we just don’t have all the details. Like maybe Champagne’s deal, reported as 12m/4y, is really 12M in guaranteed money with a 4th partial/non-guaranteed year, such that the starting figure is closer to 4M. And maybe Tre’s deal is slightly frontloaded etc. You can see then how giving Barlow (or whoever) as similar deal to Julian basically gets them there.

I think Sidy is a 2 way deal.

Yeah I wonder how accurate Sportrac is. That team seems really good at tracking down the details, but how much if it is really accurate? Right now they list Tre's new deal starting at $9.6MM this year and Champ's at $2.8MM. There's probably about a million of gap that could be made up if they were declining deals I'd guess. Maybe Chinook can weigh in.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah I wonder how accurate Sportrac is. That team seems really good at tracking down the details, but how much if it is really accurate? Right now they list Tre's new deal starting at $9.6MM this year and Champ's at $2.8MM. There's probably about a million of gap that could be made up if they were declining deals I'd guess. Maybe Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) can weigh in.

Well nothign has been signed yet so while they can be very accurate with actual deals, all we have right now are agreements. I think the Spurs can alter some of the contracts to meet their needs and its not like a player is likely to be against getting more money sooner.

[KobesAchilles]

You somehow don't remember Vinny Del Negro or Lloyd Daniels, Chris Whitney, the corpse of Sleepy Floyd.

Your basketball takes are...interesting.
I do remember them. Tbh I haven’t thought about Lloyd Daniels in years :lol
Man I hated Red McCombs too.
Vinny was our starting SG not PG though and I hated him too. Somehow he was a better coach than he was a player and he sucked at both. Completely off topic, but if Dave didn’t get injured in 96 then I think we ring. We would only have one ring as a franchise, so thankfully everyone was hurt, but I think Wilkins gets us over the top that year.

[MannyIsGod]

I actually also wonder if the Spurs would hold up on signing deals after the moratorium ends if they are interested in being part of multi team deals involving Harden and Lillard.

[Degoat]

Do trades go through after the moratorium too?

[Obstructed_View]

I do remember them. Tbh I haven’t thought about Lloyd Daniels in years :lol
Man I hated Red McCombs too.
Vinny was our starting SG not PG though and I hated him too. Somehow he was a better coach than he was a player and he sucked at both. Completely off topic, but if Dave didn’t get injured in 96 then I think we ring. We would only have one ring as a franchise, so thankfully everyone was hurt, but I think Wilkins gets us over the top that year.
He was until he was shoehorned in as a point guard. Exactly the same thing the Spurs are trying to do to Blake Wesley.

[Extra Stout]

He was until he was shoehorned in as a point guard. Exactly the same thing the Spurs are trying to do to Blake Wesley.
I don’t think being forced to play point guard is why he still gets his shit pushed in every time he drives into the paint.

[Ignazzz]

I do remember them. Tbh I haven’t thought about Lloyd Daniels in years :lol
Man I hated Red McCombs too.
Vinny was our starting SG not PG though and I hated him too. Somehow he was a better coach than he was a player and he sucked at both. Completely off topic, but if Dave didn’t get injured in 96 then I think we ring. We would only have one ring as a franchise, so thankfully everyone was hurt, but I think Wilkins gets us over the top that year.

holly crap
you ruined my breakfest with Vinny & lloyd reminder

[Obstructed_View]

I don’t think being forced to play point guard is why he still gets his shit pushed in every time he drives into the paint.
I do.

[Obstructed_View]

But I still think he has more to show before summer league is over.

[spurraider21]

According to this they are only a little over $3MM to the floor, but that includes Steven's full deal. If we waive him before guaranteeing the whole year, we'd be $4.5 short. We could always guarantee him and then waive him, and that would count towards the floor per timvp

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/
more likely they end up giving Tre/Mamu/champ extra money when it comes time to make signings official

[ismael-robert]

This game showed why we should've picked up reaves

[Obstructed_View]

This game showed why we should've picked up reaves
You mean the guy the Lakers said they would match at any price?

[TD 21]

Many times the difference between second rounders (and even many 1st rounders) and undrafted guys is opportunities. You might not find an undrafted all-star, but you can build many championship level role players if you have the eye and give the guys the time to develop.

Yeah and it's mostly derived from organizational stability. It's not that the Heat or Spurs have magic pixie dust, it's that their top executives/coaches are never in danger of being fired, so they can afford to take on projects and exercise patience, a luxury most of the league can't afford.

[Mr. Body]

This game showed why we should've picked up reaves

A Summer League game against scrubs showed you that we should have picked up a player we never could have signed? That's amazing.

[ChumpDumper]

This game showed why we should've picked up reaves

Yeah we would've won with him....

[ismael-robert]

Gosh no one has ability to think for themselves here so let me spell it out. It showed how far Wesley has to go thus needing a pg n maybe moving on to an already proven player rather than investing more time to get unreliable results. You believe everything everyone says, especially the lakers? What u expect them to say, yeah come get him everyone! ��

[Mr. Body]

Gosh no one has ability to think for themselves here so let me spell it out. It showed how far Wesley has to go thus needing a pg n maybe moving on to an already proven player rather than investing more time to get unreliable results. You believe everything everyone says, especially the lakers? What u expect them to say, yeah come get him everyone! ��

I'm not sure how many times people have to tell you Austin Reaves was always going to stay a Laker.

[Das Texan]

Yeah that’s the one. I hated him as a Spurs fan. The dude just got roasted by everybody. Idgaf that his number is up in the banners, he sucked. I do like him hitting the game winner in 99. But if he wasn’t so shitty I feel like Robinson would’ve rang before Duncan came along.

blame Red McCombs.

[ismael-robert]

How many times st posters tell me? Infinite.

[Teamduncan21]

Reaves seems to have signed the contract without that much bidding war. Not just from us. For instance rockets has been throwing money at everything that looks shiny. But they didn't throw on reaves. So seems reaves wanted to stay in Los Angeles

[Seventyniner]

You mean the guy the Lakers said they would match at any price?

And the one who said he's a Laker for life?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuQLLj0AB1C/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

It's quite possible that he would have turned down 4/100 from the Spurs just to stay with the Lakers. For most players it's only about the money, but not all.

[kobyz]

I'm not sure how many times people have to tell you Austin Reaves was always going to stay a Laker.

So why not make Lakers pay him more and hurt a rival team for the future?

[Mr. Body]

So why not make Lakers pay him more and hurt a rival team for the future?

Go play army men somewhere else.

[ismael-robert]

Well there something credible...of course he gets to play with 2 greats...when they break down n go back to lottery let's see if it still shines...by then we'll likely have another plan

[kobyz]

Go play army men somewhere else.
Lakers thank you

[Extra Stout]

Reaves seems to have signed the contract without that much bidding war. Not just from us. For instance rockets has been throwing money at everything that looks shiny. But they didn't throw on reaves. So seems reaves wanted to stay in Los Angeles
It was discussed in the forum that Reaves apparently cheaped out when he hired an agent, going with someone who mostly represented scrubs and didn’t have much of a relationship with most teams. This kept him from getting many offers.

[Mr. Body]

It was discussed in the forum that Reaves apparently cheaped out when he hired an agent, going with someone who mostly represented scrubs and didn’t have much of a relationship with most teams. This kept him from getting many offers.

Please explain to the class how an agent can force teams to give an offer to a player when they don't want to. Show up with a .38? Goddamn this shit is stupid and we're going to have to listen to it all summer.

[mo7888]

It was discussed in the forum that Reaves apparently cheaped out when he hired an agent, going with someone who mostly represented scrubs and didn’t have much of a relationship with most teams. This kept him from getting many offers.

He definitely made a mistake with his agent... there's no doubt about that...

[Extra Stout]

Please explain to the class how an agent can force teams to give an offer to a player when they don't want to. Show up with a .38? Goddamn this shit is stupid and we're going to have to listen to it all summer.
You either misread what I typed or you’re massively overreacting.

I think it’s entirely reasonable to suggest that one or more teams could have been intrigued by Reaves, and tempted to extend him an offer to see whether the Lakers were bluffing, but were dissuaded because they didn’t want to deal with amateur-hour agents who might pull the rug out from under them and take the Lakers deal anyway.

That doesn’t mean that one of those teams was the Spurs or that they should have tried to sign him.

[mo7888]

You either misread what I typed or you’re massively overreacting.

I think it’s entirely reasonable to suggest that one or more teams could have been intrigued by Reaves, and tempted to extend him an offer to see whether the Lakers were bluffing, but were dissuaded because they didn’t want to deal with amateur-hour agents who might pull the rug out from under them and take the Lakers deal anyway.

That doesn’t mean that one of those teams was the Spurs or that they should have tried to sign him.

Also, if you have a good agent he will have other clients and teams are much more likely to work with them on things like this based on the relationship and how it effects future business. It's like that in most businesses.

[Ariel]

Please explain to the class how an agent can force teams to give an offer to a player when they don't want to. Show up with a .38? Goddamn this shit is stupid and we're going to have to listen to it all summer.
If he wants to maximize his earnings and there's a third team interested that feels it'd be a waste to offer him 4 years because the Lakers would match, you can offer him a deal similar to the one Bruce Brown took, something like 45M for 2 years with the last year being a player option. That way he gets almost as much guaranteed money for 2 years as he got for 4, and if the Lakers match he has a chance to leave as early as next year, and he'll be an unrestricted free agent with (hopefully) an upper hand to sign him. But this only works if the player is being shortchanged by the team (say a DeAndre Ayton case), if he's not seriously contemplating leaving and he's just using you to up the Lakers offer, then there's nothing you can do.

[BatManu20]

Spurs should sign him just so they can have 2 of these MF’ers out there at the same time :lol

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[ace3g]

Bol Bol + Wemby

https://twitter.com/therealBeede/status/1676330892405489666

[tonight...you]

Bol Bol + Wemby

https://twitter.com/therealBeede/status/1676330892405489666
Lol, the San Antonio Spurs Border Fence.

They're too skinny to make a wall, tbh.

[mo7888]

Im a little surprised the waived Bol. I wonder if they needed a spot for an upcoming trade?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1676333679327563776

[TD 21]

I don't know if it's attitude, work ethic related or what, but there's something not computing with Bol. A guy with his combination of physical tools, raw skills, youth and inexpensive contract, shouldn't be on the fringe of the league.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/YossiGozlan/status/1676333101574922245

[BatManu20]

I don't know if it's attitude, work ethic related or what, but there's something not computing with Bol. A guy with his combination of physical tools, raw skills, youth and inexpensive contract, shouldn't be on the fringe of the league.

From everything I’ve read, it’s the intangibles. Attitude, work ethic, desire, etc. Doesn’t really love the game, just plays it cause he’s 7’2. Can’t teach intangibles

[Kurik]

I think he’s a player you definitely at least consider taking a flier on, I’m sure the spurs have done their research in the past and maybe they already know it wouldn’t be a good fit but the risk and cost would be low.

[Mr. Body]

Orlando in their "getting rid of the tall dudes who don't give a shit about basketball" stage.

[TD 21]

From everything I’ve read, it’s the intangibles. Attitude, work ethic, desire, etc. Doesn’t really love the game, just plays it cause he’s 7’2. Can’t teach intangibles

I've heard the same (whether true or not), but he wouldn't be the first and won't be the last. As long as he's not causing problems, I don't see how he's not solidified in the league.

Granted, he's not nearly as good as the perception based off of raw tools.

[scott]

It’s gotta be tough being a 7’2” son of a former NBA player. Bol probably just wanted to major in art, travel the world, and meet a nice partner to settle down with. Instead he can’t fit in a car and is forced to play the same stupid sport that caused his dad to miss out on parts of his childhood.

[Kurik]

It’s gotta be tough being a 7’2” son of a former NBA player. Bol probably just wanted to major in art, travel the world, and meet a nice partner to settle down with. Instead he can’t fit in a car and is forced to play the same stupid sport that caused his dad to miss out on parts of his childhood.

Not to mention Manute passed away when Bol was 10 years old. Not to make this a sob story lol, ultimately he needs to make a change. He could easily go play in Europe and have a good career.

[scott]

Not to mention Manute passed away when Bol was 10 years old. Not to make this a sob story lol, ultimately he needs to make a change. He could easily go play in Europe and have a good career.

Dang, did not realize that. I guess I kinda just forgot about Manute after he stopped playing. That’s kind of sad. It is interested though, I have no doubt there are skilled 7 footers out there kind of forced into playing basketball who aren’t really into it. I remember reading about TX HS Football legend Jerod Douglas, who went to Baylor and had a good enough college career to where he could have gone pro but decided against it. A few years later I remember reading an article where he said he didn’t really like football, he just played because he was so good at it. Kind of felt like a prisoner to it.

[Obstructed_View]

Dang, did not realize that. I guess I kinda just forgot about Manute after he stopped playing. That’s kind of sad. It is interested though, I have no doubt there are skilled 7 footers out there kind of forced into playing basketball who aren’t really into it. I remember reading about TX HS Football legend Jerod Douglas, who went to Baylor and had a good enough college career to where he could have gone pro but decided against it. A few years later I remember reading an article where he said he didn’t really like football, he just played because he was so good at it. Kind of felt like a prisoner to it.
Jerod was my favorite player. He scored an 80 yard touchdown against Nebraska when I first started rooting for the team.

[Spurs9]

Twin Towers 2.0

[NickiRasgo]

Just saw on Twitter that Killian Hayes could be on the move, not sure if it's legit tho.

[Mr. Body]

Just saw on Twitter that Killian Hayes could be on the move, not sure if it's legit tho.

They're definitely trying to get rid of him.

[kobyz]

i think Bol Bol could work alongside Embiid in Phili

[mystargtr34]

Just saw on Twitter that Killian Hayes could be on the move, not sure if it's legit tho.

Don’t see how Pistons keep him with Cunningham and Ivey both being able to play the 1 then trading for Monte Morris who’s one of the best backup 1’s in the league, and drafting Sasser at 25.

[scott]

Jerod was my favorite player. He scored an 80 yard touchdown against Nebraska when I first started rooting for the team.

I was a huge fan of his while he was in HS. My Aunt worked for Judson, so for whatever reason I followed those epic teams they had.

[cutewizard]

Wish we could have one more to add to our solid NINE core

[SpursFan86]

Hearing lots of speculation that Siakam might be on the way out…wouldn’t bode well for our Toronto pick next year - hope they don’t totally blow it up.

[ace3g]

Chris Haynes ChrisBHaynes
Portland Trail Blazers RFA Matisse Thybulle intends to sign an offer sheet with the Dallas Mavericks, league sources tell
@NBAonTNT
,
@BleacherReport

[SpursFan86]

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[LittleCriminal]

Spurs should definitely sign Bol Bol... Have another stretch guy to compete alongside Wemby during practice while coming off the bench.

[exstatic]

Hearing lots of speculation that Siakam might be on the way out…wouldn’t bode well for our Toronto pick next year - hope they don’t totally blow it up.

There was supposedly major conflict between FVV/Siakam, and their younger core last year. FVV's gone, and shipping out Siakam would kind of tie that off.

[Seventyniner]

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Miami doesn't even have enough assets to satisfy Portland let alone San Antonio too. Unless the Spurs view Herro as a net positive at his contract, they have no reason to participate unless they are getting additional draft compensation. imo a fourth team will need to be included that would trade draft picks, and probably short term salary, to the Spurs for Herro.

[Atl Spur]

Miami doesn't even have enough assets to satisfy Portland let alone San Antonio too. Unless the Spurs view Herro as a net positive at his contract, they have no reason to participate unless they are getting additional draft compensation. imo a fourth team will need to be included that would trade draft picks, and probably short term salary, to the Spurs for Herro.

Agreed. Brooklyn?

[mo7888]

Miami doesn't even have enough assets to satisfy Portland let alone San Antonio too. Unless the Spurs view Herro as a net positive at his contract, they have no reason to participate unless they are getting additional draft compensation. imo a fourth team will need to be included that would trade draft picks, and probably short term salary, to the Spurs for Herro.

How would you see a potential 4 team deal with the Spurs getting Herro and assets playing out? Im having a hard time visualizing how that would work.

[spurraider21]

nobody is going to be compensated to take on Herro, tbh :lol

[LittleCriminal]

Trade McDermott and picks to OKC for Chet Holmgren Or Sign Bol Bol..

[spurraider21]

Trade McDermott and picks to OKC for Chet Holmgren Or Sign Bol Bol..
i dno. would you be willing to give up barlow straight up for chet?

[Seventyniner]

How would you see a potential 4 team deal with the Spurs getting Herro and assets playing out? Im having a hard time visualizing how that would work.

Using Atl Spur (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8789)'s idea of Brooklyn, it could be something like:

Blazers
OUT: Lillard, Nurkic
IN: Dinwiddie, Lowry, O'Neale, Heat 2027 swap, Heat 2028 first, Heat 2029 swap, Heat 2030 first

Heat
OUT: Herro, Lowry, Heat 2027 swap, Heat 2028 first, Heat 2029 swap, Heat 2030 first
IN: Lillard, Birch

Spurs
OUT: Birch
IN: Nurkic, Suns 2027 first

Nets
OUT: Dinwiddie, O'Neale, Suns 2027 first
IN: Herro

I'm not saying that every team says yes to this, but it's the bones of a deal. It's salary neutral for the Blazers and Nets, while the Spurs take on an additional $10M and the Heat shed that much.

[spurraider21]

no shot we get a first just for eating nurkic while also offloading birch

[Seventyniner]

no shot we get a first just for eating nurkic while also offloading birch

You're probably right. How about seven 2nds instead?

The only reason for including Birch is that the Spurs don't have enough cap space to outright absorb Nurkic's contract. They have to send at least a couple million out. Also, keep in mind that Birch is expiring while Nurkic still has two more years on his deal after this coming season.

Portland is the team that is most likely to say no to this. They do get two firsts and two swaps while offloading Nurkic, but the players they get in return are all expiring contracts and individually don't have much value on the court. Maybe they insist on Jovic and Caleb Martin instead of O'Neale, with the Heat taking on O'Neale's salary. I was just trying to throw together something that works under the CBA.

[mo7888]

Using Atl Spur (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8789)'s idea of Brooklyn, it could be something like:

Blazers
OUT: Lillard, Nurkic
IN: Dinwiddie, Lowry, O'Neale, Heat 2027 swap, Heat 2028 first, Heat 2029 swap, Heat 2030 first

Heat
OUT: Herro, Lowry, Heat 2027 swap, Heat 2028 first, Heat 2029 swap, Heat 2030 first
IN: Lillard, Birch

Spurs
OUT: Birch
IN: Nurkic, Suns 2027 first

Nets
OUT: Dinwiddie, O'Neale, Suns 2027 first
IN: Herro

I'm not saying that every team says yes to this, but it's the bones of a deal. It's salary neutral for the Blazers and Nets, while the Spurs take on an additional $10M and the Heat shed that much.

I see....so you're talking about a deal where we don't have to take Herro..

[MannyIsGod]

You're probably right. How about seven 2nds instead?

The only reason for including Birch is that the Spurs don't have enough cap space to outright absorb Nurkic's contract. They have to send at least a couple million out. Also, keep in mind that Birch is expiring while Nurkic still has two more years on his deal after this coming season.

Portland is the team that is most likely to say no to this. They do get two firsts and two swaps while offloading Nurkic, but the players they get in return are all expiring contracts and individually don't have much value on the court. Maybe they insist on Jovic and Caleb Martin instead of O'Neale, with the Heat taking on O'Neale's salary. I was just trying to throw together something that works under the CBA.

The Spurs do have enough cap space for the Nurkic deal. Tre hasn't signed and we can pull his QO and his cap hold is tiny and they'd still have his bird rights. I think might even be able to fit Cedi into an exception.

[Mr. Body]

Using Atl Spur (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8789)'s idea of Brooklyn, it could be something like:

Blazers
OUT: Lillard, Nurkic
IN: Dinwiddie, Lowry, O'Neale, Heat 2027 swap, Heat 2028 first, Heat 2029 swap, Heat 2030 first

Heat
OUT: Herro, Lowry, Heat 2027 swap, Heat 2028 first, Heat 2029 swap, Heat 2030 first
IN: Lillard, Birch

Spurs
OUT: Birch
IN: Nurkic, Suns 2027 first

Nets
OUT: Dinwiddie, O'Neale, Suns 2027 first
IN: Herro

I'm not saying that every team says yes to this, but it's the bones of a deal. It's salary neutral for the Blazers and Nets, while the Spurs take on an additional $10M and the Heat shed that much.

After spending some time on Nets boards, they'd be up in arms over this. They either don't want Herro or want him close to free. Giving up two very useful players and a very good FRP isn't going to cut it.

[Seventyniner]

After spending some time on Nets boards, they'd be up in arms over this. They either don't want Herro or want him close to free. Giving up two very useful players and a very good FRP isn't going to cut it.

That's fair. I did say that I didn't think every team would necessarily say yes to that trade; I was merely trying to present a framework.

There could be another team out there who would be willing to trade $30M worth of expiring contracts and a first for Herro. That's all it would take.

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs do have enough cap space for the Nurkic deal. Tre hasn't signed and we can pull his QO and his cap hold is tiny and they'd still have his bird rights. I think might even be able to fit Cedi into an exception.

Thanks for the correction. I thought the Spurs only had about $14M of space left, but in that case they would already be at the floor.

Good point about Tre's first year salary (~$10M) being higher than his cap hold (~$5.2M? Spotrac removed it). Wouldn't the Spurs pulling his QO make them lose his Bird rights, though?

Spotrac says the Spurs have the $7.7M room MLE available; are you saying Osman could be traded into that?

[Mr. Body]

That's fair. I did say that I didn't think every team would necessarily say yes to that trade; I was merely trying to present a framework.

There could be another team out there who would be willing to trade $30M worth of expiring contracts and a first for Herro. That's all it would take.

I really thought there'd be more interest, but too many questions. Heat fans are right to be steamed that Maxey is getting fat more drooling gazes, but he's not much better, if at all, and is about to get paid, and probably even more.

[Chinook]

Thanks for the correction. I thought the Spurs only had about $14M of space left, but in that case they would already be at the floor.

Good point about Tre's first year salary (~$10M) being higher than his cap hold (~$5.2M? Spotrac removed it). Wouldn't the Spurs pulling his QO make them lose his Bird rights, though?

Spotrac says the Spurs have the $7.7M room MLE available; are you saying Osman could be traded into that?

They can still pull the QO for the next week or so while keeping his Bird rights. After 07/13, they can't pull it without also renouncing him.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't want Nurkic for a season, let alone three. The draft compensation would have to be at an unrealistic level to even consider it.



Hearing lots of speculation that Siakam might be on the way out…wouldn’t bode well for our Toronto pick next year - hope they don’t totally blow it up.

The Hawks are supposedly the strongest suitor, which almost certainly means Murray would be the centerpiece of the offer, with one of Hunter, Capela or Bogdanovic attached to make it work financially. A third team may have to be included to take whichever, probably to provide more salary relief + draft capital to the Craptors.

A top six of Barnes-Anunoby-Poeltl-Trent Jr.-Murray-Schroder should be enough to avoid a bottom 6 record.

[Dverde]

Nurkic makes little sense for this team. I don’t know why they would even do it unless picks were attached.

[scott]

I wouldn't want Nurkic for a season, let alone three. The draft compensation would have to be at an unrealistic level to even consider it.




The Hawks are supposedly the strongest suitor, which almost certainly means Murray would be the centerpiece of the offer, with one of Hunter, Capela or Bogdanovic attached to make it work financially. A third team may have to be included to take whichever, probably to provide more salary relief + draft capital to the Craptors.

A top six of Barnes-Anunoby-Poeltl-Trent Jr.-Murray-Schroder should be enough to avoid a bottom 6 record.

This would be interesting not sure if a move like that makes either of these teams better or worse, and of course we have a vested interest in these teams NOT improving.

[Ocotillo]

Nurkic is the poison pill in trade scenarios that Portland will be offering. This will take awhile to sort out.

[CGD]

Temple, just waived, is the type of mentor/vet I’ve always liked for the spurs

[exstatic]

Temple, just waived, is the type of mentor/vet I’ve always liked for the spurs

He had a cup of coffee here, a while back.

[scott]

As far as I know none of these players are free agents, so I apologize for a somewhat off topic post - but some of these guys have been potentially talked about in the broader context of trades, mostly how they don't have much value. Specifically Advija and Kuminga. Also looks like DJ brought back his elite D his first year in ATL

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[TD 21]

This would be interesting not sure if a move like that makes either of these teams better or worse, and of course we have a vested interest in these teams NOT improving.

Now Fischer is reporting that there's optimism about a Murray extension. In that case, Hunter, Bufkin and one of Capela/Bogdanovic to a third team so that they can send more salary relief/draft capital to the Craptors, would probably be their offer.

[RC_Drunkford]

Here we go, We’re getting Reggie Bullock and a 2030 unprotected pick swap with the Mavs

[RC_Drunkford]

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[jeebus]

I think the Sperms just shipped a bunch of 2nds off to Boston

[RC_Drunkford]

Shipped 3 Second rounders for an unprotected swap and Reggie Bullock‘s 10.5 million expiring

[CGD]

Now, I’d go to Chicago and offer to flip Bullock and Berch for LaMelo and a FRP. Saves them a bunch this and next year.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1676750018013806592

[Mr. Body]

I think the Sperms just shipped a bunch of 2nds off to Boston


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldf7T6TlV-o

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1676762941213876224

[spurraider21]

have to applaud what the mavs have done this offseason tbh

they got seth curry on a cheap deal to help them get a little more offensive punch, but otherwise, basically every asset theyve gotten has bolstered their defense. lively/prosper in the draft, thybulle, grant williams in FA

not sure it will all coalesce in one offseason, but thats a hell of an effort on their part

[kxs783kms]

Well we're both in that boat if you're on this forum with me.

[kxs783kms]

that's not your money either, precisely. And that's why you're not a GM.

What the hell are you talking about???? Lol

[cutewizard]

The free agent we need is...........................

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W4CbSAUAvQ

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
The Boston Celtics and No. 38 overall pick Jordan Walsh have agreed to a four-year, $7.6 million deal, league sources told Hoopshype
. Walsh is represented by former NBA player and current CEO/founder Ramon Sessions of
@ontimeagencygrp
.

[DPG21920]

Spurs *seemingly* still need a Center-esp if Bassey isn’t ready. There were the rumors of Spurs & Valančiūnas

NO looking at Luxury Tax, he makes 15.5M & SA *I think* can get to that much still & absorb him…wonder if we see that deal with NO trying to dodge luxury tax maybe?

[CGD]

Spurs *seemingly* still need a Center-esp if Bassey isn’t ready. There were the rumors of Spurs & Valančiūnas

NO looking at Luxury Tax, he makes 15.5M & SA *I think* can get to that much still & absorb him…wonder if we see that deal with NO trying to dodge luxury tax maybe?

I would be happy with this. They could also just send Berch in a mismatch salary trade if they can’t out right generate the space.

[TD 21]

They'll probably just attach a 2nd(s) and/or pay someone to take Lewis Jr. to duck the tax.

They're not salary dumping Valanciunas, especially when Nance Jr. (small ball five) and Zeller are the only other C options on the roster.

[Seventyniner]

Michael Scotto Mike (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7591)AScotto
The Boston Celtics and No. 38 overall pick Jordan Walsh have agreed to a four-year, $7.6 million deal, league sources told Hoops (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8733)hype
. Walsh is represented by former NBA player and current CEO/founder Ramon Sessions of
@ontimeagencygrp
.

Is it just me or are a lot more seconds getting guaranteed money than usual? I don't have the details of this particular contract but I imagine at least the first year is guaranteed.

[manufan10]

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[kobyz]

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that means no FA worth go after next year is left... save up the money for nothing

[mo7888]

that means no FA worth go after next year is left... save up the money for nothing

It may be worth taking on 2 year contracts for assets now..

[spurraider21]

if the hawks were shrewd enough to trade Trae, the raptors seem like a good place to send him tbh. get OG plus assets while Trae has his perceived value

[kobyz]

It may be worth taking on 2 year contracts for assets now..

and to extend Devin Vassell this summer as his value could significantly rise after next season, firstly you were thinking of waiting for next year with his contract to save cap space, but it's not make sense seeing now the 2024 FA poll...

[Atl Spur]

if the hawks were shrewd enough to trade Trae, the raptors seem like a good place to send him tbh. get OG plus assets while Trae has his perceived value

They love Trae here……. I don’t knowwwwww!

[spurraider21]

yeah from everything i gather the hawks still think Trae is the second coming

[scott]

I certainly hope no one was thinking we were saving cap space to go after DJM next off-season. That ship has sailed and has permanently closed port here.

[CGD]

I certainly hope no one was thinking we were saving cap space to go after DJM next off-season. That ship has sailed and has permanently closed port here.

Agree, though, as we get closer to the Feb deadline I hope the spurs are open to taking on bad money into next years books
for assets.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
·
4h
The New Orleans Pelicans are signing forward EJ Liddell to a new three-year, $6.2 million deal, with a team option in the third season, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
. Liddell was on a two-way contract after suffering a torn ACL in summer league last summer.

[cutewizard]

where is Coach Bud????????????????

[cutewizard]

STAR TREK SPURS EDITION

THE SEARCH FOR BUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1677153359466201089

[ace3g]

Bol Bol has cleared waivers

[ace3g]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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7m
The San Antonio Spurs renounced the free agent rights to Romeo Langford.

[Mr. Body]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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7m
The San Antonio Spurs renounced the free agent rights to Romeo Langford.

What have I forgotten to do? I know there was something. Turn off the stove? Shut off the water into the pool? What was it?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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7m
The San Antonio Spurs renounced the free agent rights to Romeo Langford.

Parting is such sweet sorrow, that I shall say good night till it be morrow.

[Degoat]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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7m
The San Antonio Spurs renounced the free agent rights to Romeo Langford.

Honestly a team like the Suns, Mavs, Heat should be all over this. If he could remain healthy and find some consistency he’s an okay-ish option at wing

[spurraider21]

Nobody needs to be “all over” Langford except Europe and gleague tbh :lol

[DPG21920]

How the hell did Stanley Johnson not get picked up anywhere? That is still such a weird situation. He asks out after playing really well, presumably for more opportunities and doesn’t sign anywhere? Especially with teams now that need cheap but good depth?

[GAustex]

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA

7m
The San Antonio Spurs renounced the free agent rights to Romeo Langford.

Miss Cleo will be heartbroken

[Mr. Body]

How the hell did Stanley Johnson not get picked up anywhere? That is still such a weird situation. He asks out after playing really well, presumably for more opportunities and doesn’t sign anywhere? Especially with teams now that need cheap but good depth?

He was at the vets try-out for Phoenix. Guess they didn't pick him.

[DPG21920]

He was at the vets try-out for Phoenix. Guess they didn't pick him.

I know - Im saying he didn’t get signed last season either after asking out and still not signed. All after him both playing well and asking out

[MannyIsGod]

Do we know what the transactions the Spurs have actually completed are? I know they signed Champagnie for sure. Would like to know what cap space is still available to them.

[DPG21920]

Do we know what the transactions the Spurs have actually completed are? I know they signed Champagnie for sure. Would like to know what cap space is still available to them.

Champagnie is complete. Cedi & Stevens trade is complete. Wemby is signed.

Don’t think Bullock deal, Tre or anything else (like signing Sidy) are complete. No Mamu from what I’ve seen either. I think they have about 15M in space left at minimum, could also have a bit more depending on Stevens contract and what they do there. So 15-16M in cap space as far as I can tell.

[mo7888]

Do we know what the transactions the Spurs have actually completed are? I know they signed Champagnie for sure. Would like to know what cap space is still available to them.

With Langford's cap hold gone, the Spurs are working with $22.2 million in cap space.

Still have to trade for Bullock, sign Mamu, and then sign Jones

Paul Garcia

[spurraider21]

Read that spurs are a team to look out for to get involved in a potential clippers harden deal. Can take on covingtons expiring

[SpursFan86]

Read that spurs are a team to look out for to get involved in a potential clippers harden deal. Can take on covingtons expiring

Saw that too but the tweet I saw seemed like just a Spurs writer hypothesizing...did you see anything from a more legit "source"?

Covington would be a solid vet IMO - definitely better than both Osman/Bullock.

[barakz21]

Assuming no more moves are made after the Bullock deal, they should already be at the floor, no?

[spurraider21]

Saw that too but the tweet I saw seemed like just a Spurs writer hypothesizing...did you see anything from a more legit "source"?

Covington would be a solid vet IMO - definitely better than both Osman/Bullock.
Nothing concrete. But the spurs have cap room left and that’s a potential avenue should they choose to take on more salary for compensation