2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT

[lefty20]

I like how the only options we possibly had this offseason was the cedi trade or to do everything houston did

So, because other moves were possible means that they were automatically a good option?

Why force the FO to do something for the sake of doing when they're not convinced that it is in the team's best interest. I don't get that mentality from the fans.

[slick'81]

Ill give free agency soo far a big fat B-

[RC_Drunkford]

Collins/Mamu/Bassey/Birch
Wemby/Sochan/Osman
Johnson/McDermott/Champagnie/Stevens
Vassell/Branham/
Jones/Wesley/Graham

that's 16 players plus Barlow, Sissoko and Sir'Jabari on 2-ways

We still gotta make some moves regarding Stevens and Birch. Might just waive them and sign at least somebody :lol

[Dverde]

Woj: Free agent C Sandro Mamukelashvili has agreed to a one-year, $2 million deal with the San Antonio Spurs, his agents George Roussakis and Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675286228227203077?s=46

[scott]

MAAAAAAMMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Still under the floor with no rosters spots though :lol

Cedi, Stevens, Birch all candidates to be waived. Stevens and Birch almost locks, though maybe if Birch is healthy he could actually be a backup big

[objective]

Mills in Houston?

Maybe Ime needs someone he can trust to have his back and help out with for certain things

[slick'81]

Mills in Houston?

Maybe Ime needs someone he can trust to have his back and help out with for certain things

ime definitely helping an old friend

[timvp]

Wouldn't mind kicking the tire on Bamba.

Who hacked your account?

[ChumpDumper]

Who the hell on this board has been advocating for the Spurs to blow a bag on FVV or Dillon Brooks? You guys are pulling strawman arguments out of your ass :lol

Look at most of the top guys on timvp’s FA target list. Plumlee, McDaniels, J-Rich, Gabe Vincent, Okogie, Grant Williams…how about any of those guys? Pretty much no one here is asking the Spurs to make a giant splash and lock down multiple guys on long term, big money deals. Just because people were hoping to see the FO make modest improvements in an offseason where we had some of the most available cap space of any team doesn’t mean people are asking them to blow up the whole team and sign scrubs to $100MM deals.Yeah, not sure if any of those guys really move the needle enough to warrant getting upset about passing on them.

[mo7888]

MAAAAAAMMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Still under the floor with no rosters spots though :lol

Cedi, Stevens, Birch all candidates to be waived. Stevens and Birch almost locks, though maybe if Birch is healthy he could actually be a backup big

Probably gonna waive Birch and Lamar and sign Dieng

[RC_Drunkford]

So, because other moves were possible means that they were automatically a good option?

Why force the FO to do something for the sake of doing when they're not convinced that it is in the team's best interest. I don't get that mentality from the fans.

adding a vet PG and a back up C to improve the team by a little are good moves with all these role players out there, you can't deny that. Nobody here was asking for a big splash, just improve the bench and overall depth a little. I guess we'll still make a move or 2 though to do that. At least I hope so.

[mo7888]

ime definitely helping an old friend

Ime just wants an adult in the locker room tbqh

[exstatic]

well, i'm not very good with all these CBA things, but i surely don't get how Reaves was paid only 14M/year. If someone would take the time to explain it to me.

I get that players in LA will have more hype. But from what i saw, i don'tget Reaves only getting that, he seemed like the real deal fot the role he's asked to have.

Hell, Keldon at 18.5/year was considered a good deal, and it was. but Reaves is the better passer, the better shooter, the better defender. and i think that given the same role, he could easily score as much as Keldon.

There are two question about Reaves. Was this last year a fluke , but he seems more like a late bloomer than anything else.
And could he be as efficient as the primary option, but he probably won't have to be, and even 25M/year, the max he could get, wasn't "first option" money in today NBA.

I really don't get how any other team didn't offer more.

There is only so much they can pay him without him having played three contract years. That would give LA Birdrights, but they only have early Bird rights, which limit the salary of the new deal to a percentage of the old salary.

[Biggems]

Wouldn't mind kicking the tire on Bamba.

I am a fan of Mo Bamba, but he has severely underwhelmed as a pro. I never expected him to be an offensive force. However, I did expect him to be a huge asset on defense. I feel in the older NBA his skillset might have been more applicable, as there was more of an inside, post-up game to defend.

Still, if we were to give him a 1-year deal at a low rate, I would not complain. However, with Wemby, Collins, Mamu, Bassey, and Sochan, there is not much room in the front court as far as minutes go.

[slick'81]

Barring a trade this should rap up free agency

[slick'81]

Ime just wants an adult in the locker room tbqh

they are definitely bringing in those vets

[jesterbobman]

The Rockets being in Win now mode to maybe get up to the 10th seed is hilarious. Like, I know why, but it's a good reason not to rush the rebuild.

Trading away Garuba, Christopher, Ty Ty and KJ Martin for basically nothing is hilarious. Doing it to sign Londale and trade for Patty is even more amazing.

[playblair]

Wouldn't mind kicking the tire on Bamba.
mo bamba wouldnt accept a contract in san antonio .......mo moved his brother from new york to texas .........his brother was killed in san marcos while mo was attending texas.....

[ChumpDumper]

adding a vet PG and a back up C to improve the team by a little are good moves with all these role players out there, you can't deny that. Nobody here was asking for a big splash, just improve the bench and overall depth a little. I guess we'll still make a move or 2 though to do that. At least I hope so.

I think moves can be made until the trade and signing deadlines. Just seems the FA list this summer wasn't going to cause much excitement or activity from the start.

[Robz4000]

Honestly pretty glad with what the Spurs are doing so far provided they garner more assets by helping to facilitate trades with their capspace. See what you have in Wemby this season then start really building the team around him.

[SpursFan86]

Barring a trade this should rap up free agency

We’re still not at the salary floor yet are we? If so then have to imagine something else is still coming, albeit not sure what that will look like given we seem pretty tight on roster spots at this point.

[Mr. Body]

Honestly pretty glad with what the Spurs are doing so far provided they garner more assets by helping to facilitate trades with their capspace. See what you have in Wemby this season then start really building the team around him.

It's the sensible thing to do.

[Degoat]

So the most likely open season roster

ZC/CB/Mamu
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
KJ/Julian/Cedi/Sidy
Dev/Branham
Tre/Wesley/graham

Fcking Wright and RC

[ChumpDumper]

mo bamba wouldnt accept a contract in san antonio .......mo moved his brother from new york to texas .........his brother was killed in san marcos while mo was attending texas.....

Your fucking up all the basic facts of this story is truly impressive.

[Mr. Body]

Still not at the floor, no? So what's the last step?

[timvp]

Still not at the floor, no? So what's the last step?

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[PhantomDashCam]

Taking off the Spurs’ goggles for a moment and just being an objective basketball fan; it’s an absolute disgrace what Houston has done/is doing to its young players atm.

Spurs should absolutely look into what it would take to get Amen Thompson off that team ASAP.

I’m not his biggest fan by any means but wowsers, they’re already moved off Ty Ty, Garuba and Christopher and signed FVV, Dillon Brooks; still have KPJ, Jalen Green…
How the hell is he going to develop with a team that clearly gunning for Playoffs and beyond with so many ball dominant players (including one we all like in Sengun)?

[objective]

Boban is still a free agent ... 1 year to the floor and hijinks galore

[Russ]

I am a fan of Mo Bamba, but he has severely underwhelmed as a pro. I never expected him to be an offensive force. However, I did expect him to be a huge asset on defense. I feel in the older NBA his skillset might have been more applicable, as there was more of an inside, post-up game to defend.

Still, if we were to give him a 1-year deal at a low rate, I would not complain. However, with Wemby, Collins, Mamu, Bassey, and Sochan, there is not much room in the front court as far as minutes go.

Who would you take between Bamba and fellow Longhorn underwhelmer Jaxson Hayes?

Either could be a nice "buy low" piece.

Or they could both bust.

I kind of like the failed-prospect targets, like Danny Green. These guys would seem to be in that category.

[exstatic]

No way. That’s too much and for too long.

That’s actually very ordinary (4/$120M) compared to the monstrosities handed out this FA period, and with the cap going up 10% every year and a new tv deal on the horizon, may actually be a value by the end. All that being said, do not want. His counting stats look good, but his advanced stats suck, low WS/48, negative net rating on a team that stresses defense.

[rankingtear]

Still not at the floor, no? So what's the last step?

Sign guaranteed 1 year contacts and waive them after camp.

[Biggems]

Who would you take between Bamba and fellow Longhorn underwhelmer Jaxson Hayes?

Either could be a nice "buy low" piece.

Or they could both bust.

I kind of like the failed-prospect targets, like Danny Green. These guys would seem to be in that category.

Mamba over Hayes. I was never really a Hayes fan when he was a Horn. His game annoyed me. Mamba also has better shooting range, I believe. Still, it is like asking which ugly step-sister would I go out with......neither, I want Cinderella.

[exstatic]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Free agent G Dillon Brooks has agreed on a four-year, $80 million contract with the Houston Rockets, his agent Mike George of @OneLegacySports (https://twitter.com/OneLegacySports/) tells ESPN. Rockets have now landed two targets in free agency — Fred VanVleet and Brooks.

:rollin

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Free agent G Donte DiVincenzo has agreed on a four-year, $50 million contract with the New York Knicks, Jason Glushon of @GlushonSM tells ESPN. DiVincenzo reunites with his Villanova title teammates Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart to bolster the Eastern Conference semifinalists.

[exstatic]

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)2m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1675266845551591426)
Rockets are finalizing a deal to acquire Brooklyn’s Patty Mills via trade, sources tell me and @KellyIko (https://twitter.com/KellyIko/).

Poor Patty.

[Biggems]

Taking off the Spurs’ goggles for a moment and just being an objective basketball fan; it’s an absolute disgrace what Houston has done/is doing to its young players atm.

Spurs should absolutely look into what it would take to get Amen Thompson off that team ASAP.

I’m not his biggest fan by any means but wowsers, they’re already moved off Ty Ty, Garuba and Christopher and signed FVV, Dillon Brooks; still have KPJ, Jalen Green…
How the hell is he going to develop with a team that clearly gunning for Playoffs and beyond with so many ball dominant players (including one we all like in Sengun)?

they actually have a head coach now. if ime can keep his dick in his pants, the rockets may start making some noise in a positive way.

[exstatic]

No, no, no, this will be beautiful. Keep vibing, Rockets :tu

God, I wish we had one of THEIR draft picks.

[slick'81]

God, I wish we had one of THEIR draft picks.

atl and chicago might be nice

[Biggems]

God, I wish we had one of THEIR draft picks.

if we would have had 4 in this draft, who do you feel we would have taken?

[Maddog]

Poor Patty.

Man I'd retire
Well he's still got 1 year left

[Obstructed_View]

they actually have a head coach now. if ime can keep his dick in his pants, the rockets may start making some noise in a positive way.
Taming one or two knuckleheads on a young team is hard enough. The Rockets may have the all-Madden knucklehead roster.

[mo7888]

God, I wish we had one of THEIR draft picks.

Is it still okc and the nets that own them all?

[slick'81]

Man I'd retire
Well he's still got 1 year left

probably end up a coach there

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, sucks that one of our key rivals will be feasting on Houston for a while.

And the Clippers.

[TekXX]

So how long do we have Wemby before he bolts to a team that's willing to pay to be a contender?

[mo7888]

Is anything happening with Harden? Or is he just waiting on Lillard to get finished first?

[Mr. Body]

So how long do we have Wemby before he bolts to a team that's willing to pay to be a contender?

He's gonna bolt because you make him cry.

[exstatic]

Spurs are not getting anyone else. :lol this is a typical “we like what we have” approach.
??? They pretty much announced they were doing just this, and yet your panties are in a wad?

[BacktoBasics]

So how long do we have Wemby before he bolts to a team that's willing to pay to be a contender?

This guy gets it.

Probably just this season. Clearly with intelligently run teams like Houston we can all see that blowing your load as quickly as possible is how you ring.

If you can’t drop bags immediately like it’s burning a fucking hole in your pocket you’re obviously not GMing.

[lefty20]

So how long do we have Wemby before he bolts to a team that's willing to pay to be a contender?

Multiple sauces confirm that he's already looking for a house in Houston. He was impressed by their FOs wheeling & dealing.

[scott]

In all seriousness… we have 6-7 years. After that, we have to earn it.

[Mr. Body]

Taking off the Spurs’ goggles for a moment and just being an objective basketball fan; it’s an absolute disgrace what Houston has done/is doing to its young players atm.

Spurs should absolutely look into what it would take to get Amen Thompson off that team ASAP.

I’m not his biggest fan by any means but wowsers, they’re already moved off Ty Ty, Garuba and Christopher and signed FVV, Dillon Brooks; still have KPJ, Jalen Green…
How the hell is he going to develop with a team that clearly gunning for Playoffs and beyond with so many ball dominant players (including one we all like in Sengun)?

One thing to note is how Houston had to bail on two recent FRPs. They weren't terrible. There's no need to trade Tyty and Garuba other than salary reasons.

It was the year they got Jalen Green, Alperen Sengun, Usman Garuba, and Tyty Washington all at once. That's a haul of four guys in one draft. Shit, just realized they got Josh Christopher, too, who also got traded today.

Bit of a cautionary tale about having too many draft picks, using them, drafting over those guys, then using assets to get rid of them. True, Houston took a historic weird turn to get to this point, but it shows the unexpected dangers of having too much draft capital without a plan.

[exstatic]

Dubs FO said they wanted to keep Jordan Poole and then dumped his ass four days later so yeah, who cares what they say to us

When have the Spurs ever done such a 180? When do they ever pretty much announce their plans at all? If they do, you should probably pay attention, and believe them. Do people not even understand who this team is? We’ve made exactly two FA splashes, ever. One was 18 years ago, and the other was 8 years ago. It’s not something you should be looking for in any FA period.

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
4m
BREAKING: The Houston Rockets have agreed to a one-year, $6 million deal with NBA champion Jeff Green, league sources told Hoopshype. The deal was negotiated by agent Jason Glushon of @GlushonSM.

[Mr. Body]

One thing to note is how Houston had to bail on two recent FRPs. They weren't terrible. There's no need to trade Tyty and Garuba other than salary reasons.

It was the year they got Jalen Green, Alperen Sengun, Usman Garuba, and Tyty Washington all at once. That's a haul of four guys in one draft. Shit, just realized they got Josh Christopher, too, who also got traded today.

Bit of a cautionary tale about having too many draft picks, using them, drafting over those guys, then using assets to get rid of them. True, Houston took a historic weird turn to get to this point, but it shows the unexpected dangers of having too much draft capital without a plan.

Tyty wsn't the same draft as those other dudes. Still, using draft capital to get rid of guys you recently drafted. Yikes.

[Mr. Body]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
4m
BREAKING: The Houston Rockets have agreed to a one-year, $6 million deal with NBA champion Jeff Green, league sources told Hoopshype. The deal was negotiated by agent Jason Glushon of @GlushonSM.

Green would have been a nice pickup for a real team. Now he can just sit around and make money.

[KobesAchilles]

I really like the moves that Houston made. They made difficult decisions seem smart and easy with their roster selection. They went after tough hard nosed players with great locker room presence. They’re no a team that matches their coach. Say what you want but a FVV and Brooks backcourt is a good one. Sliding Green over the to 3 might do wonders for his game as he should be able to blow pass his defenders with his first step and just has to focus on corner 3s on defense. That’s a win there. Smith now has an actual PG who can run and offense and get him open looks at the 4 spot and Sengun is still the one that got away. On paper this team improved greatly.

With KJP and Amen as their bench. Houston looks to be tending in the right direction… for me to keep buying $10 lower level tix for my son and I to watch them play :lol
:lmao Rockets.
:lmao 200 million for Brooks and FVV
:lmao $32 million to a guy who won’t even average 15 minutes a game
:lmao upper level closed off for the next 3 seasons in the Toyota Center

[JPB]

So how long do we have Wemby before he bolts to a team that's willing to pay to be a contender?

Yeah, he certainly loves what HOU is doing. He can"t wait to go there.

[Mr. Body]

Rockets feel like an expansion team that picks up the really expensive players the other teams leave unprotected and then get a couple top draft picks to help them along.

[rascal]

They really are going to surround Wemby this year with the least talented team in the league.

[exstatic]

if we would have had 4 in this draft, who do you feel we would have taken?

Not taking the bait…

[JPB]

They really are going to surround Wemby this year with the least talented team in the league.

And we"re gonna love every second of it.

[TekXX]

They really are going to surround Wemby this year with the least talented team in the league.

You can't say that in here, Wright did a lot. They'll win so many games next year.

[exstatic]

So how long do we have Wemby before he bolts to a team that's willing to pay to be a contender?

Wemby will stay, because we’ll pay for FAs when there’s a non shitty FA class. Can’t honestly remember a shittier one.

[EricB]

They really are going to surround Wemby this year with the least talented team in the league.


why bother trying when you can sell a shit load of tickets, add a bunch of new sponsorship, and the fanbase runs to defend it?

it’s a hell of a thing.

[scott]

Wemby will stay, because we’ll pay for FAs when there’s a non shitty FA class. Can’t honestly remember a shittier one.

Meh, they’re all shitty. No one good hits FA anymore. I think in the future we’ll likely see our team improving via the trades and draft rather than FA, but I still agree with your main point.

[TekXX]

Wemby will stay, because we’ll pay for FAs when there’s a non shitty FA class. Can’t honestly remember a shittier one.

IDK the Holts probably shit their pants seeing the FA numbers last night. I"m curious how much of a leash the FO has.

[Splits]

First half: Rockets sign FVV
Second half: Everything after


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6dWw78rEVQ

[EricB]

Meh, they’re all shitty. No one good hits FA anymore. I think in the future we’ll likely see our team improving via the trades and draft rather than FA, but I still agree with your main point.

It’s the same crap from the early 2K’s “gotta keep that cap space open”

fool em once

[TekXX]

why bother trying when you can sell a shit load of tickets, add a bunch of new sponsorship, and the fanbase runs to defend it?

it’s a hell of a thing.

It's annoying, Pop knows exactly what he has on the court but i guess we're gonna go thru the draft and be mediocre for another decade.

[Kurik]

Wemby will stay, because we’ll pay for FAs when there’s a non shitty FA class. Can’t honestly remember a shittier one.

Next year will be a shitty one as well maybe just as bad, but I don’t disagree.

[Pauleta14]

Green would have been a nice pickup for a real team. Now he can just sit around and make money.

37yo...

[timtonymanu]

??? They pretty much announced they were doing just this, and yet your panties are in a wad?

Where in my post did I have my panties in a wad? I was just restating what the FO was doing. You should get your facts straight before talking out of your ass. But what else should I expect from a poster just as awful and delusional as Mr Body.

[Obstructed_View]

I really like the moves that Houston made. They made difficult decisions seem smart and easy with their roster selection. They went after tough hard nosed players with great locker room presence. They’re no a team that matches their coach. Say what you want but a FVV and Brooks backcourt is a good one. Sliding Green over the to 3 might do wonders for his game as he should be able to blow pass his defenders with his first step and just has to focus on corner 3s on defense. That’s a win there. Smith now has an actual PG who can run and offense and get him open looks at the 4 spot and Sengun is still the one that got away. On paper this team improved greatly.

With KJP and Amen as their bench. Houston looks to be tending in the right direction… for me to keep buying $10 lower level tix for my son and I to watch them play :lol
:lmao Rockets.
:lmao 200 million for Brooks and FVV
:lmao $32 million to a guy who won’t even average 15 minutes a game
:lmao upper level closed off for the next 3 seasons in the Toyota Center
You honestly had me for a bit. :lol

The city will have abandoned them by Christmas.

[tbdog]

This is disappointing that we didn't pick up some young player. Any news on Grant Williams?

[JPB]

There's no available FA who would have dramaticcally change the course of next year or the franchise but people want a trade for the sake of it.... Spurs weren't offering 100M to Reaves or trading for Lillard, while some FAs who could have interested them decided to stay with their team.

We'll see what happens, but nothing to blame spurs FO for here. Spurs have always been very precuatious in free agency, and it was not in this FA that they were gonna pull a Houston.

[baseline bum]

Wait, the Rockets purposefully traded for Patty Mills? In 2023?

I'm crushed, I was hoping to land 50 Mills and Gasol today.

[Obstructed_View]

Meh, they’re all shitty. No one good hits FA anymore. I think in the future we’ll likely see our team improving via the trades and draft rather than FA, but I still agree with your main point.

Interesting point. Certainly tends to be true of big-stat players.

[Obstructed_View]

There's no available FA who would have dramaticcally change the course of next year or the franchise but people want a trade for the sake of it.... Spurs weren't offering 100M to Reaves or trading for Lillard, while some FAs who could have interested them decided to stay with their team.

We'll see what happens, but nothing to blame spurs FO for here. Spurs have always been very precuatious in free agency, and it was not in this FA that they were gonna pull a Houston.
We are a few days removed from people wanting to spend a second round pick just for the sake of it.

[Mr. Body]

There's no available FA who would have dramaticcally change the course of next year or the franchise but people want a trade for the sake of it.... Spurs weren't offering 100M to Reaves or trading for Lillard, while some FAs who could have interested them decided to stay with their team.

We'll see what happens, but nothing to blame spurs FO for here. Spurs have always been very precuatious in free agency, and it was not in this FA that they were gonna pull a Houston.

No, this is exactly what they should do. It's not splashy, but keep the powder dry for the years ahead, don't overpay for current players, and they used cap to take on one, possibly two rotation guys and got a second. The massive offseason change happened a couple weeks ago.

[Mr. Body]

A little concerned with the health of our bigs - Collins, Bassey, even Sochan. I do think we need another big in there somehow and not sure what's possible. Kinda wish we grabbed Tracye Jackson-Davis at this point.

[lefty20]

I'm crushed, I was hoping to land 50 Mills and Gasol today.

Marc Gasol is still active, in Europe. Do it Wright!

[timtonymanu]

Rockets with a bunch of moves but I have no idea what they’re doing.

[JPB]

A little concerned with the health of our bigs - Collins, Bassey, even Sochan. I do think we need another big in there somehow and not sure what's possible. Kinda wish we grabbed Tracye Jackson-Davis at this point.

Mo Bamba maybe.

[Mr. Body]

Rockets with a bunch of moves but I have no idea what they’re doing.

That's perfect, because neither do they.

[JPB]

Rockets with a bunch of moves but I have no idea what they’re doing.

Don't worry, they don't either.

[Mr. Body]

Mo Bamba maybe.

I should have specified someone who knows how to play basketball.

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor VORP ranking for some players in this thread.
For those talking about limited sample sizes for Reaves, this is the total season cumulative value.

13) Fred VanVleet
22) Austin Reaves
23) Brooks Lopez
30) Tyrese Haliburton
46) Desmon Bane
62) Donte DiVincenzo
76) Tre Jones
96) Mason Plumlee
105) Jakob Poeltl
123) Cedi Osman
148) Dennis Shroeder
175) Devin Vassell
208) Keldon Johnson
229) Lamar Stevens

[Spurs Homer]

did watanabe re-sign already?

[timtonymanu]

Mo Bamba maybe.

Dude was absolute trash for a Lakers team that desperately needed backup C help.

[lefty20]

did watanabe re-sign already?

Yup. To the Suns for minimum.

[Mr. Body]

did watanabe re-sign already?

Phoenix.

[JPB]

I should have specified someone who knows how to play basketball.

He's no Kareem but as a third string stiff who can give 5 fouls (trying to convince myself)...

I mean 7.5pt, 5.8 rbs, 0.9 ass in career is not catastrophic either. 68 FT% so you can't hack a Mo, 47 FG%, 36 FG3% (on 2.5 3PA/game), 55 eFG%, 1.3 block/game to go with 0.8 to... That looks like a 3rd big.

[JPB]

Dude was absolute trash for a Lakers team that desperately needed backup C help.

As mentioned in my previous post, he's more of a 3rd string and LA may not be the best environment for him..(many players failed there). Note that I'm not pimping the guy, just trying to see what minor move spurs could do to "strenghen" the big rotation.

[Ariel]

It was the year they got Jalen Green, Alperen Sengun, Usman Garuba, and Tyty Washington all at once. That's a haul of four guys in one draft. Shit, just realized they got Josh Christopher, too, who also got traded today.

Bit of a cautionary tale about having too many draft picks, using them, drafting over those guys, then using assets to get rid of them. True, Houston took a historic weird turn to get to this point, but it shows the unexpected dangers of having too much draft capital without a plan.
If you drafted a bunch of guys at once, most of them won't succeed because most don't anyways, wherever they're drafted. That's not to say you shouldn't have a developmental plan for any player you draft, but within certain parameters there's no reason why you can't have 3 at once and be successful, provided you actually PICK RIGHT AND WITH A PURPOSE.

[Kurik]

Plumlee, Bamba, Biyombo, in that order just looking for depth on a short contract. Wemby, Collins, and Bassey will all miss some games for one reason or another.

[BackHome]

Don't be surprised if they keep Dieng on for another year - he can be a big brother for Wemby and Sidy and move into future position with Spurs staff the following season.

[exstatic]

Plumlee, Bamba, Biyombo, in that order just looking for depth on a short contract. Wemby, Collins, and Bassey will all miss some games for one reason or another.

Bamba and Biyambo aren’t even basketball players.

[Kurik]

Bamba and Biyambo aren’t even basketball players.

That’s fine for this year.

[JPB]

Don't be surprised if they keep Dieng on for another year - he can be a big brother for Wemby and Sidy and move into future position with Spurs staff the following season.

Gorgui speaks french, I suppose

[TekXX]

I'm trying to envision a FA class y'all think would be worthy of spending money on. Do ya'll need to see the tank team shit the bed for one more season before pulling the trigger on someone?

[Obstructed_View]

If you drafted a bunch of guys at once, most of them won't succeed because most don't anyways, wherever they're drafted. That's not to say you shouldn't have a developmental plan for any player you draft, but within certain parameters there's no reason why you can't have 3 at once and be successful, provided you actually PICK RIGHT AND WITH A PURPOSE.

And give your players an environment where they can develop, and then allow them to develop.

The Rockets seem to be run by a committee of message board fans, because they draft without thought, overfill their roster, throw players away and sign anybody who agrees to a huge contract.

[lefty20]

I'm trying to envision a FA class y'all think would be worthy of spending money on. Do ya'll need to see the tank team shit the bed for one more season before pulling the trigger on someone?

Easy, 2011 FA class or gtfo.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

First time posting here!

Guys you think the Spurs should help Miami and Portland if they are willing to give us some first round picks for our second round picks?

Maybe we can grab a bad contract example: Nurkic

[CGD]

I'm trying to envision a FA class y'all think would be worthy of spending money on. Do ya'll need to see the tank team shit the bed for one more season before pulling the trigger on someone?

We’re about to see a consolidation of current spurs players after this season. Seems like the smart thing to take stock of what you have before that, and then assess where to go shopping for FAs.

[TekXX]

First time posting here!

Guys you think the Spurs should help Miami and Portland if they are willing to give us some first round picks for our second round picks?

Maybe we can grab a bad contract example: Nurkic

Usually not a fan of helping teams that our player favorites like Miami unless it's a good player coming to SA. Seems Wright has spent more time helping Miami the last couple days than San Antonio and i'd be interesting if we our helping them acquire dame.

[rascal]

First time posting here!

Guys you think the Spurs should help Miami and Portland if they are willing to give us some first round picks for our second round picks?

Maybe we can grab a bad contract example: Nurkic

Welcome aboard

[buttsR4rebounding]

So Plumlee is still available. Throw some money at him, extend Vassel and Collins and onward through the fog…

[Degoat]

At this point I say fck it, try to find some hidden gem at the summer league. Plumlee or whoever else is still out there won’t matter

[Mr. Body]

First time posting here!

Guys you think the Spurs should help Miami and Portland if they are willing to give us some first round picks for our second round picks?

Maybe we can grab a bad contract example: Nurkic

It's a pretty nasty contract - around $20 million for the next three seasons. Similar to Duncan Robinson. Their teams want to get rid of them but the Spurs are looking for salary flexibility going forward. I don't think either team has the draft capital to move them and I don't think the Spurs, at this point, would do it if they did.

[Biggems]

Not taking the bait…

what bait?

if it were me, I would have taken Ausar Thompson. I feel he is the better of the two.

[ace3g]

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Recently-acquired point guard Patty Mills is not staying in Houston and will be rerouted, sources tell @TheAthletic. He is being looped into the Dillon Brooks sign-and-trade in an expanded deal, sources say

[ace3g]

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Free agent center Alex Len has agreed to a one-year, $3.2 million contract to re-sign with the Sacramento Kings, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Agent Michael Lelchitski of sigSports negotiated the deal for Len’s return.

[Mr. Body]

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Recently-acquired point guard Patty Mills is not staying in Houston and will be rerouted, sources tell @TheAthletic. He is being looped into the Dillon Brooks sign-and-trade in an expanded deal, sources say

That... makes no sense. Unless he told them fuck no.

[ace3g]

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Free agent G Dante Exum – a former No. 5 overall pick – is returning to the NBA on a guaranteed deal with the Dallas Mavericks, his agent Brandon Rosenthal tells ESPN. After leading Partizan to their first title in a decade, Exum brings his perimeter versatility to the Mavs.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

It's a pretty nasty contract - around $20 million for the next three seasons. Similar to Duncan Robinson. Their teams want to get rid of them but the Spurs are looking for salary flexibility going forward. I don't think either team has the draft capital to move them and I don't think the Spurs, at this point, would do it if they did.

Maybe give Doug Mcdermott for Duncan Robinson (We can use that clause)

2025-26: Early Termination Option (deadline 6/29/25)

Robinson is younger and he can help coming from the bench.

[TekXX]

Is it federal law that agents must be mentioned in any and all tweets involving their clients.

[playblair]

I'm trying to envision a FA class y'all think would be worthy of spending money on. Do ya'll need to see the tank team shit the bed for one more season before pulling the trigger on someone?
claxton & conley in 2024 will be the spurs priorities in free agency.....both will be spurs next season........both fill what spurs want......

[SpursFan86]

Sounds like Houston is waiving Patty. Wonder if the Spurs have any interest.

[BacktoBasics]

Usually not a fan of helping teams that our player favorites like Miami unless it's a good player coming to SA. Seems Wright has spent more time helping Miami the last couple days than San Antonio and i'd be interesting if we our helping them acquire dame.

Another bullshit malcontent “fan”. There’s nothing wrong with being pragmatic. Our FO stated that they weren’t interested in getting into burdensome contracts that would tie us up as things develop. We have a ton of flexibility going forward and I’d like to see that flexibility remain going into the trade deadline if not the next draft.

We’re not in dire desperate need here. We can play the long game for a season and see how our roster shapes up.

Clearly the team wants to assess the handful of projects we’ve gathered. Some might just pan out and become legitimate role players. Nearly every promising player we took a liking to is returning. That’s a good sign.

Spending money just to spend money is a dumb idea.

I’m glad we aren’t doing shit just to do shit.

[Cardinal]

Bring Patty back for the culture

[ChumpDumper]

I'm trying to envision a FA class y'all think would be worthy of spending money on.It's really easy to envision a FA class better than this summer's.

[slick'81]

Thank god the patty era is ova

[Obstructed_View]

Maybe give Doug Mcdermott for Duncan Robinson (We can use that clause)

2025-26: Early Termination Option (deadline 6/29/25)

Robinson is younger and he can help coming from the bench.
Holy shit.

[CorrectCrusader]

First time posting here!

Guys you think the Spurs should help Miami and Portland if they are willing to give us some first round picks for our second round picks?

Maybe we can grab a bad contract example: Nurkic

I'd be interested if we can somehow land one of Portlands young guards.

[Obstructed_View]

Sounds like Houston is waiving Patty. Wonder if the Spurs have any interest.
They literally just signed him. He's got to be there to make salaries work for a trade. Now he will probably be waived wherever he goes.

Wait, can you do that anymore? I remember Cuban signing Keith Van Horn out of retirement to make salaries work on a trade.

[Mr. Body]

They literally just signed him. He's got to be there to make salaries work for a trade. Now he will probably be waived wherever he goes.

Wait, can you do that anymore? I remember Cuban signing Keith Van Horn out of retirement to make salaries work on a trade.

I'm seeing that he's getting routed in a larger trade with Brooklyn-Houston-Memphis and maybe another team. Don't think he's getting waived.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm seeing that he's getting routed in a larger trade with Brooklyn-Houston-Memphis and maybe another team. Don't think he's getting waived.
Yeah even Houston isn't stupid enough to sign Patty just to cut him. Almost, but not quite stupid enough.

[SpursFan86]

They literally just signed him. He's got to be there to make salaries work for a trade. Now he will probably be waived wherever he goes.

Wait, can you do that anymore? I remember Cuban signing Keith Van Horn out of retirement to make salaries work on a trade.

Yeah Feigen backtracked and said he’s being re-routed, not released.

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[Mr. Body]

Truly wonder if Patty said he's not showing up.

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I can't believe Ime signed off on this roster.

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In all seriousness… we have 6-7 years. After that, we have to earn it.

Trust will have to be earned well before then though.

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Wemby will stay, because we’ll pay for FAs when there’s a non shitty FA class. Can’t honestly remember a shittier one.

Next year might be worse.

[DPG21920]

Still wish Spurs would have just signed McDaniels to get to floor instead of Cedi deal tbh….would have been a better thing to do IMVHO

HOU did what tons of Spurs fans seemingly wanted Spurs to do: Take the best you can get, fire every bullet to improve immediately. Spurs and HOU two very different paths - I expect HOU to be better than Sa next year (I mean, if they aren’t wow) but lets see in 2-3+ which team did it better.

[DPG21920]

Spurs should waive Cedi and Stevens and in order to get to floor sign Plumlee to rest of money they need to get there. Done deal.

Or, wait for Dame trade and get a decent piece there that does it.

[spurraider21]

You can't say that in here, Wright did a lot. They'll win so many games next year.
We got a future second round pick

WINNING

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Rockets with a bunch of moves but I have no idea what they’re doing.

They don't either so you're excused. Really jaw-dropping moves. Truly stunning putting so many ball heavy players on one roster. Then seemingly making KPJ an off the bench player which is sure to cause problems. And they trade Martin Jr instead of KPJ. Giving Brooks 20M/yr.??.

Just asinine move after move. I feel sorry for Alpie Sengun. And my opinion of Imr took a huge fall if he signed off on pretty much every signing aside from Jock and Jeff Green.

[CorrectCrusader]

I can't believe Ime signed off on this roster.

All-Chuck 1st Team

[Seventyniner]

I really like the moves that Houston made. They made difficult decisions seem smart and easy with their roster selection. They went after tough hard nosed players with great locker room presence. They’re no a team that matches their coach. Say what you want but a FVV and Brooks backcourt is a good one. Sliding Green over the to 3 might do wonders for his game as he should be able to blow pass his defenders with his first step and just has to focus on corner 3s on defense. That’s a win there. Smith now has an actual PG who can run and offense and get him open looks at the 4 spot and Sengun is still the one that got away. On paper this team improved greatly.

With KJP and Amen as their bench. Houston looks to be tending in the right direction… for me to keep buying $10 lower level tix for my son and I to watch them play :lol
:lmao Rockets.
:lmao 200 million for Brooks and FVV
:lmao $32 million to a guy who won’t even average 15 minutes a game
:lmao upper level closed off for the next 3 seasons in the Toyota Center

You had me going there. Bold part made me lol. Nice job. :bobo

[Seventyniner]

The Rockets being in Win now mode to maybe get up to the 10th seed is hilarious. Like, I know why, but it's a good reason not to rush the rebuild.

Trading away Garuba, Christopher, Ty Ty and KJ Martin for basically nothing is hilarious. Doing it to sign Londale and trade for Patty is even more amazing.

That's what happens when ownership decides to go from full tank to win-right-the-hell-now mode. The Rockets suddenly have no patience for player development and have jettisoned nearly all the "fruits" of their tank job because they don't control their own draft for the next few years.

Tanker ships don't turn on a dime. Trying to make them do so can make them capsize.

[TekXX]

We got a future second round pick

WINNING

That was sarcasm of course, Spurs are frozen

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First time posting here!

Guys you think the Spurs should help Miami and Portland if they are willing to give us some first round picks for our second round picks?

Maybe we can grab a bad contract example: Nurkic

Welcome aboard. No, we shouldn't help Niami with either Robinson or Herro. I wouldn't mind getting in on Nurcic though if we could do so by giving up only a bunch of seconds and Birch.

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Free agent center Alex Len has agreed to a one-year, $3.2 million contract to re-sign with the Sacramento Kings, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Agent Michael Lelchitski of sigSports negotiated the deal for Len’s return.

Anyone noticed Shams has been giving shoutouts to players' agents in his tweets lately?

[TekXX]

That's what happens when ownership decides to go from full tank to win-right-the-hell-now mode. The Rockets suddenly have no patience for player development and have jettisoned nearly all the "fruits" of their tank job because they don't control their own draft for the next few years.

Tanker ships don't turn on a dime. Trying to make them do so can make them capsize.

True, of course the Rockets are a shit franchise who haven't made good moves since the 90's and we can see none of this will lead to anything for them. I'd say the Spurs hit the sweetspot where the tank landed the generational player, i'll disagree with the FO on doing absolutely nothing, i think they could've attempted to get Wemby some help and no you didn't have to trade future perennial all-stars Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell to do that.

[Mugen]

Anyone noticed Shams has been giving shoutouts to players' agents in his tweets lately?

Isn't Shams repped by Klutch? this dude has literally zero shame when it comes to sports "journalism" :lol

[Spurs9]

Yeah even Houston isn't stupid enough to sign Patty just to cut him. Almost, but not quite stupid enough.
Who the heck is running the rockets? Big fans of the players they draft but these contracts are awful. Although I do see them making the playoffs this year tbh.

[SpursFan86]

I expect HOU to be better than Sa next year (I mean, if they aren’t wow)

Man I’m not even sure about that tbh. I don’t think I’d be surprised at all if we end up being better than them. Obviously Victor is the big wild card but I’m just not impressed with that Houston roster at all, even after the money they’ve spent recently. If we’re decently healthy and truly trying to win then I like our chances.

[Ice009]

Was Mills under contract? What did he sign for?

Also, if the Spurs were to have put in an offer to Reaves before he went back to LA, could the 100M have been frontloaded?

[ChumpDumper]

True, of course the Rockets are a shit franchise who haven't made good moves since the 90's and we can see none of this will lead to anything for them. I'd say the Spurs hit the sweetspot where the tank landed the generational player, i'll disagree with the FO on doing absolutely nothing, i think they could've attempted to get Wemby some help and no you didn't have to trade future perennial all-stars Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell to do that.What did you want the FO to do two days into free agency?

[Mr. Body]

Was Mills under contract? What did he sign for?

Also, if the Spurs were to have put in an offer to Reaves before he went back to LA, could the 100M have been frontloaded?

Patty had one year left at BKN for about $7 million. Houston traded for him but apparently it's a bigger trade.

[heyheymymy]

Oh, Patty Mills is going to be re-routed?

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[TD 21]

Spurs have handed out good contracts and so far not made a foolish addition like Plumlee.

I especially like the relative gamble on Champagnie. Biggish young wing who provides versatile/volume 3-point shooting and apparently non liability defense, is worth it to look in, when Strus, a lower ceiling, smaller yet similar type, is getting 4/$64M.

Even the Osman + Stevens trade was fine. Add another 2nd, with maybe another to come by the deadline for the former.

Sign a minimal C (Lopez, Marjanovic, Yurtseven, etc.), offer Graham, Stevens and draft capital for Quickley and Fournier and call it an off season.

I'd say try to get in on Maxey or Simons if they become casualties of a Lillard trade, but he'll likely be traded to the Heat, with Herro going to a third team.

:lmao At Rockets and Craptors.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski (https://twitter.com/wojespn)@wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)




Sacramento Kings All-NBA C Domantas Sabonis has agreed to a contract renegotiation and extension for a total of $217M over five years — including $195M in new money, his agents Greg Lawrence and Jason Ranne tell ESPN.

[scott]

TBH, warming up to the outside chance of Herro. His contract isn't that bad - it's big, but not prohibitively big in the context of the new CBA and the timeline of our young core's contracts. It won't negatively impact our ability to do anything we would have done otherwise.

With that said, I put a 1% chance on it.

[DPG21920]

I will be unhappy with Herro personally. Would really be a piss in my cheerios moment lol

[GAustex]

Herro is a clown

[TekXX]

Herro would hate it here in San Antonio, no South Beach lifestyle, let's make it happen!

[dbestpro]

I am happy the Spurs have not loaded the team with marginal players on big contracts. Like they have been saying, they need to see what they got. Branham and Vassell could really blossom this year. Who knows how much Johnson could do when he is not so worried about being the primary scorer? Tre Jones is the type of PG they need who distributes the ball and does his job without being the primary scorer. This could be the return of the beautiful game.

[playblair]

Herro would hate it here in San Antonio, no South Beach lifestyle, let's make it happen!
katya would veto herro signing with spurs ala joumana kidd did to jason kidd because she said san antonio was boring.........

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[cd98]

Well, no signing of any free agents outside of the Spurs organization. I just saw yet another free agent, DiVincenzo sign with a new team. I don't know what is left and I know this was not a great free agent class, but I figured the Spurs would be more active than this with all the available cash they have.

[Mr. Body]

Well, no signing of any free agents outside of the Spurs organization. I just saw yet another free agent, DiVincenzo sign with a new team. I don't know what is left and I know this was not a great free agent class, but I figured the Spurs would be more active than this with all the available cash they have.

Seem to not want to pay more than a single season to anybody other than the very minor contract to Champ.

[Mr. Body]

Harden has to be kicking himself. He could have taken FVV's money and played with the circus in Houston. Then he gets upstaged by Damian Lillard.

[ace3g]

It is still early in the FA process, however, while I had Keldon, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby, Collins, and Malaki as untouchable; I thought the overall look of the bench would be reworked.

See if anyone stands out in summer league as well.

[tbdog]

Disappointing off season moves. They're seriously wasn't just one young player that the Spurs could envision growing with the team and Wemby. Not one that the front office thought, in 3 years time he will be in our 9 player playoff rotation?

[ChumpDumper]

Team seems pretty young already IMO. I'm sure there has been some FO spitballing about how a Lillard Spurs team would work and whether the team could shift into the win-RIGHTNOW mode that would necessitate. That would really be the only reason to break the present and future banks before the signing period even starts.

[TekXX]

Can we hire Sam Presti back.

[Obstructed_View]

When I see which posters are unhappy with the draft and free agency, I am that much more sure the Spurs are doing the right thing.

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When I see which posters are unhappy with the draft and free agency, I am that much more sure the Spurs are doing the right thing.


When did you start supporting the tank so we could have Wembanyama? What FA moves would you suggest to make this team reach the playoffs?

[k830713]

Christian Wood 50/3 and trade PG (Lowry, Herro) for (Birch, Graham).
Lowry (Herro), Jones, Wesley
Vassell, Branham, McDermott, Cissoko (TW), Rice (TW)
Johnson, Sochan, Osman, Champagnie
Wembanyama, Mamukelashvili, Barlow (TW)
Collins, Wood, Bassey

[kobyz]

Unpopular opinion: Houston with okay off season, A little overpay for FVV but no other way to snatched him from Toronto, 20mill for Brooks is solid, it's like Keldon money and he's not worth less than Keldon, it's easy to overreact to one series but he's still a very good player who bring defensive and winning mentality, I don't buy all the behaviour problems talk about him, things got a little out of control with him in the Lakers series because of his will to win while Memphis was disaster culture situation with the Ja not giving shit... Houston trying to be competitive and win some game so their young guys could develop in that atmosphere which is important

[TrueSpursFan]

Christian Wood 50/3 and trade PG (Lowry, Herro) for (Birch, Graham).
Lowry (Herro), Jones, Wesley
Vassell, Branham, McDermott, Cissoko (TW), Rice (TW)
Johnson, Sochan, Osman, Champagnie
Wembanyama, Mamukelashvili, Barlow (TW)
Collins, Wood, Bassey

no way Sochan comes off the bench

[Ariel]

Unpopular opinion: Houston with okay off season, A little overpay for FVV but no other way to snatched him from Toronto, 20mill for Brooks is solid, it's like Keldon money and he's not worth less than Keldon, it's easy to overreact to one series but he's still a very good player who bring defensive and winning mentality, I don't buy all the behaviour problems talk about him, things got a little out of control with him in the Lakers series because of his will to win while Memphis was disaster culture situation with the Ja not giving shit... Houston trying to be competitive and win some game so their young guys could develop in that atmosphere which is important
I wouldn't say I love their moves or their team, but I understand them and they're not that bad.
For starters, they had a pretty decent draft, where Cam Whitmore fell into their lap for some yet unexplained concerns about health (long term problems with his knees, supposedly) and character (detached, apathetic), plus underwhelming measures and poor individual workouts. But even if he has a shorter career and doesn't light up the room, at some point you've got to bet on talent and at 20 I'd say he's en extremely interesting value proposition.
Amen Thompson comes with serious risks, but I've heard a couple interviews and I was really surprised with how smart and mature he came out, that doesn't magically make a 3 pointer go in, but I definitely buy into him putting in the work to give it his best chance and at least become a positive everywhere else, which should be enough to not flame out of the league at the very least.
As for their much maligned free agency, lots of folks are clowning their signings, but the devil is in the details:

Fred VanVleet signed a 3 year contract worth about 130M... but THE THIRD YEAR IS A TEAM OPTION, making it a de-facto 2 year deal unless it's in Houston's best interest. Since they had to use the cap space anyways and the big FA market is in '25 (where he'd come off the books) then it means they could still be players there. Also a large portion of VanVleet signing is due to Houston wanting to set an example for their backcourt players (horrendously inefficient chuckers Jalen Green & KPJ) and set their other youngsters for success (Jabari Smith Jr, Sengun, Whitmore). It's not a dream signing, but the rationale is clear and I didn't see much better alternatives, TBH
Langdale comes off a productive season in Phoenix, and though 4 years 32M sounds like an overpay at first glance, ONLY THE FIRST YEAR IS GUARANTEED plus the 4TH YEAR IS A TEAM OPTION, making it a VERY LOW RISK investment and potentially a good deal if he delivers.
Dillon Brooks is the worst of the bunch, if they pay him 20 million a season for 4/5 years then that is a risk given his shot chucking ways and antagonistic behavior at times. This one I like the least.

Overall, I think Houston is giving some of their youngsters (Sengun, Jabari Smith Jr) much more compatible teammates, while signaling others (Jalen Green, KPJ) that their happy go lucky days are over and that they'll be held accountable. Seems like a sensible approach. Nothing to get too excited about, but I don't think it's as bad as it's being portrayed over here.

[Ariel]

Harden has to be kicking himself. He could have taken FVV's money and played with the circus in Houston. Then he gets upstaged by Damian Lillard.
Why? Houston didn't pursue him, that's 100% Harden camp propaganda trying to create leverage in Philly, that didn't catch on. Also I don't necessarily think their market is the same, his antics have worn people down and many won't consider him an option. I think Harden should consider himself lucky he's not out of the league with all the crap he pulled in the last few years: demands in Houston that caused them to flip PGs time and again, showing up fat for training camp and forcing a trade to Brooklyn, sabotaging them from within and setting them up to take Ben Simmons (it's mostly on Marks, though), only to repeat his malcontent act yet again just now. No self respecting organization should touch him with a 10 foot pole.

[venitian navigator]

I wonder if all these pg potential players (fvv, Mills, kpj) could make Amen Thompson a little more available on trade talks... He was supposed to be the player our do was more interested in drafting if we didn't win the lottery... And if I had to make a big offer for the supposed second big time player for our future he's probably the only one worth it...

[SpursFan86]

Nothing to get too excited about, but I don't think it's as bad as it's being portrayed over here.

I unfortunately agree that some of the moves really aren’t nearly as bad when considering the details (FVV’s 3rd year being a team option, Landale’s 1st year being the only one guaranteed). Additionally, it’s hard to argue they didn’t have a solid draft night - they got arguably two top 5 prospects without needing to make any trades. That being said, I still think FA so far has been pretty close to a disaster.

- 4/$80MM in fully guaranteed money for Dillon Brooks is absolutely terrible…right up there with Jerami Grant’s deal as one of the worst this offseason

- They had to trade away two SRPs in order to get rid of three of their recent first round picks. While guys like TyTy/Garuba/Christopher haven’t shown a ton of promise, they’re still so young and didn’t really get a fair shot at all. To cut bait like that is terrible asset management. Imagine if we gave up two SRPs just to ship off Branham/Wesley in a salary dump this year :lol Guess the irony here is we waived Luka and Primo which is just as bad, but everyone here realizes that and thought it was embarrassing.

- They actually found a nice steal in the 2nd round a few years ago in Kenyon Martin Jr…and just proceeded to trade him for two future SRPs where they’ll be lucky to land someone that ends up as promising.

- I understand they just want his vet presence and he may hardly play at all, but Jeff Green has been largely terrible for a while now. If they end up stealing away someone like Eason’s minutes to give to Jeff Green that’ll be awful (for them, not us :lol )

All in all, they threw a shit ton of money at people and I’m really not sure they got THAT much better. They’re spinning it as shifting their culture which is fine but at best it’s been an underwhelming offseason. If 1-2 of those young guys they shipped off end up being legitimate then it turns into an absolute disaster.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I wonder if all these pg potential players (fvv, Mills, kpj) could make Amen Thompson a little more available on trade talks... He was supposed to be the player our do was more interested in drafting if we didn't win the lottery... And if I had to make a big offer for the supposed second big time player for our future he's probably the only one worth it...

Zero chance Houston would listen to any trade offer for Thompson. He's the crown jewel of their draft class. You're wasting your time thinking about it.

[Obstructed_View]

When did you start supporting the tank so we could have Wembanyama? What FA moves would you suggest to make this team reach the playoffs?
I think I started supporting the idea of tanking when the Spurs got blown out by Charlotte. So...about game number one?

I don't think the Spurs need to scramble to use up the salary cap for an imperfect player, particularly at the expense of a young player who might have developed over the summer when we haven't even seen summer league. I watched a lot of games. I think this roster has a chance to be pretty good with Victor. They are young and exciting and play really well together. I think they will learn to mesh with Wemby really quick. This team is gonna be fun from the word go.

Most of the people who want the FO to sign all these players don't think the existing roster are capable of making the play-in with Wemby. If that's the case, then what would Damien Lillard do for the team? The way other teams are shaking up their rosters means good prospects are being cast off and useful players are falling through the cracks. Now its just a matter of getting an idea of what the team lacks. In my opinion at this point, the team should be on the lookout for a vet who can become a locker room leader and mentor. Think Mario Elie.

I'm unsure how stating that your summer goal is not to make an expensive mistake and then immediately going back on that by offering 120 million dollars to the white Jerome James (yeah I went there) builds trust with Victor that they are stable and worthy of his long-term commitment.

In a perfect world, the guys that the spurs spent last year developing are all coming back with improvements in their game and an understanding that they have a real shot of making the rotation with a superstar. The Spurs will also be ready to upgrade with someone who shows out in summer league or gets cut when final rosters are set. And maybe another opportunity comes up to facilitate a trade that ends up bagging a player who they actually want, who actually fills a need.

Don't get me wrong, I've debated on whether most of these might or might not be good ideas, but a lot of you are convinced that activity equals progress. Aggie did a great job above of explaining why that isnt the case. Guys need to quit looking for Spurs moves on the ESPN crawler as a sign that the team is improving.

[slick'81]

I think I started supporting the idea of tanking when the Spurs got blown out by Charlotte. So...about game number one?

I don't think the Spurs need to scramble to use up the salary cap for an imperfect player, particularly at the expense of a young player who might have developed over the summer when we haven't even seen summer league. I watched a lot of games. I think this roster has a chance to be pretty good with Victor. They are young and exciting and play really well together. I think they will learn to mesh with Wemby really quick. This team is gonna be fun from the word go.

Most of the people who want the FO to sign all these players don't think the existing roster are capable of making the play-in with Wemby. If that's the case, then what would Damien Lillard do for the team? The way other teams are shaking up their rosters means good prospects are being cast off and useful players are falling through the cracks. Now its just a matter of getting an idea of what the team lacks. In my opinion at this point, the team should be on the lookout for a vet who can become a locker room leader and mentor. Think Mario Elie.

I'm unsure how stating that your summer goal is not to make an expensive mistake and then immediately going back on that by offering 120 million dollars to the white Jerome James (yeah I went there) builds trust with Victor that they are stable and worthy of his long-term commitment.

In a perfect world, the guys that the spurs spent last year developing are all coming back with improvements in their game and an understanding that they have a real shot of making the rotation with a superstar. The Spurs will also be ready to upgrade with someone who shows out in summer league or gets cut when final rosters are set. And maybe another opportunity comes up to facilitate a trade that ends up bagging a player who they actually want, who actually fills a need.

Don't get me wrong, I've debated on whether most of these might or might not be good ideas, but a lot of you are convinced that activity equals progress. Aggie did a great job above of explaining why that isnt the case. Guys need to quit looking for Spurs moves on the ESPN crawler as a sign that the team is improving.

If they stay healthier and wemby doesn't get load managed this team is exciting

[BatManu20]

Utah's Jordan Clarkson, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul and agent Brandon Cavanaugh are finalizing a three-year, $55 million contract renegotiation and extension with the Jazz, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Deal includes next season and two new years through 2025-26.

[Ice009]

I didn't know you could renegotiate contracts? How long has this been going on? Already seen it happen a few times this past day.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I didn't know you could renegotiate contracts? How long has this been going on? Already seen it happen a few times this past day.

You can if the original contract was at least 4 years in length and you have reached year 4.

[XenoThirteen]

Been reading a lot the past few days and I find it hard to understand why we absolutely HAVE to sign Austin Reaves (with the Lakers repeatedly saying they'll match whatever offer sheet they see) or Brook Lopez (who I really liked but seems to be happy to stay with the Bucks either way), or whoever else that appears shiny and new, or else we failed this off-season. There's value in waiting. If we still suck in a year, that's okay. We will at least see who develops and meshes well with our franchise player, and hopefully use our draft picks to get complementary pieces along the way. I mean, this isn't the last ever offseason where we can have cap space.

Staying flexible when everything is nebulous has its merits, since most of our core are young and improving anyway. This isn't the spurs of the late 2000s where every year the team gets older and gets worse with no hope for significant internal improvement. We have to be patient and we have to remain flexible.

[kobyz]

top left free agents rank:
1. Grant Williams
2. Miles Bridges
3. Christian Wood
4. Kelly Oubre Jr.
5. Matisse Thybulle
6. Paul Reed
7. PJ Washington
8. Lonnie Walker IV
9. Jaylen Nowell
10. Ayo Dosunmu
11. Mason Plumlee
12. Eric Gordon
13. Malik Beasley
14. Darius Bazley
15. Dario Saric
16. Torrey Craig
17. Terence Davis
18. Trendon Watford
19. JaMychal Green
20. Justise Winslow
21. Bismack Biyombo
22. Cody Zeller
23. Kendrick Nunn
24. Anthony Lamb
25. TJ Warren
26. Terrence Ross
27. Aaron Holiday
28. Mo Bamba
29. Juan Tuscano-Anderson
30. Derrick Jones Jr.

[spurraider21]

Really going Charlotte finds a way to keep bridges

[Mr. Body]

Been reading a lot the past few days and I find it hard to understand why we absolutely HAVE to sign Austin Reaves (with the Lakers repeatedly saying they'll match whatever offer sheet they see) or Brook Lopez (who I really liked but seems to be happy to stay with the Bucks either way), or whoever else that appears shiny and new, or else we failed this off-season. There's value in waiting. If we still suck in a year, that's okay. We will at least see who develops and meshes well with our franchise player, and hopefully use our draft picks to get complementary pieces along the way. I mean, this isn't the last ever offseason where we can have cap space.

Staying flexible when everything is nebulous has its merits, since most of our core are young and improving anyway. This isn't the spurs of the late 2000s where every year the team gets older and gets worse with no hope for significant internal improvement. We have to be patient and we have to remain flexible.

Right.

First, Brook Lopez was highly, highly unlikely to leave Milwaukee, which is a perfect place for him. Second, the Lakers were never letting Austin Reaves go. They made it very clear.

After those, the FA had a lot of meh. Very expensive pieces (mostly to Houston) and then bric-a-brac. Spurs have like 10 players who are quite young and each is developing. The team stated they don't want to make mistakes and want to see what they had.

Some here wanted various PGs or others, which makes sense. We could use upgrades here or there. But a Monte Morris is not so much better than what we have that sewing up long-term (i.e. more than one year) money and other capital on him doesn't make sense, because what happens when you can really upgrade the position? You'd have to get rid of a player you just splurged on (a little) by using further assets.

Sometimes it's better to keep your powder dry. Don't have to spend money everytime you go to the mall. Especially when the shelves are mostly bare.

[Mr. Body]

top left free agents rank:
1. Grant Williams
2. Miles Bridges
3. Christian Wood
4. Kelly Oubre Jr.
5. Matisse Thybulle
6. Paul Reed
7. PJ Washington
8. Lonnie Walker IV
9. Jaylen Nowell
10. Ayo Dosunmu
11. Mason Plumlee
12. Eric Gordon
13. Malik Beasley
14. Darius Bazley
15. Dario Saric
16. Torrey Craig
17. Terence Davis
18. Trendon Watford
19. JaMychal Green
20. Justise Winslow
21. Bismack Biyombo
22. Cody Zeller
23. Kendrick Nunn
24. Anthony Lamb
25. TJ Warren
26. Terrence Ross
27. Aaron Holiday
28. Mo Bamba
29. Juan Tuscano-Anderson
30. Derrick Jones Jr.

Wow, the Romeo Langford disrespect.

[GAustex]

^Miss Cleo must be heartbroken

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When I see which posters are unhappy with the draft and free agency, I am that much more sure the Spurs are doing the right thing.

Also, as I saw on twitter, did you know that of the ~180 free agents coming into this year's market, the Spurs evidently offered none a contract.

Reminder 1:
we were a 22 win team and 3rd worst team in basketball last year.

Reminder 2:
we were the worst defensive basketball team ever (like in the history of the NBA, LOL)

Reminder 3:
we literally were millions below the salary floor. And even after resigning all but 1 of our guys, remained UNDER it.

Reminder 4:
we had the most salary cap space in the NBA and could have quite easily offered a contract that didn't damage long term cap considerations. See Jeff Greens contract and how he could have helped defensively.

So with all due respect, your take about seeing people be upset we did NOTHING and being buoyed about being right that we did nothing, is based on nothing but homerism.

One last point, I saw in your other reply to me I wanted to highlight, that you didn't start supporting the tank until game 1 of this last year. I was supporting tanking going into the year before. In retrospect, I was wrong in chastizing those that had been calling for it sooner, and STILL off by probably two years. So maybe have a bit of humility about our direction, and sit this one out about who is tapped into the proper direction. There's zero reason we should not have tried to improve this team with a FA signing. ZERO.

Hey but we got a 2nd round pick for absorbing contracts. And got cosmic luck and tapped into our 14% shot at Wembanyama.

Otherwise, we'd be looking at a 22 win team, a second rounders, and Amen Thompson. Yeah, buddy.

[ace3g]

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[Mr. Body]

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Eurohoops @Eurohoopsnet
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"Wonder if we can get rid of this guy, too." "Maybe nobody will realize this is a salary dump."

On paper Nurkic isn't bad, but he's injury prone and his contract runs way too long.

[slick'81]

Also, as I saw on twitter, did you know that of the ~180 free agents coming into this year's market, the Spurs evidently offered none a contract.

Reminder 1:
we were a 22 win team and 3rd worst team in basketball last year.

Reminder 2:
we were the worst defensive basketball team ever (like in the history of the NBA, LOL)

So with all due respect, your take about seeing people be upset we did NOTHING and being buoyed about being right that we did nothing, is based on nothing but homerism.

One last point, I saw in your other reply to me I wanted to highlight, that you didn't start supporting the tank until game 1 of this last year. I was supporting tanking going into the year before. In retrospect, I was wrong in chastizing those that had been calling for it sooner, and STILL off by probably two years. So maybe have a bit of humility about our direction, and sit this one out about who is tapped into the proper direction. There's zero reason we should not have tried to improve this team with a FA signing. ZERO.

Hey but we got a 2nd round pick for absorbing contracts. And got cosmic luck and tapped into our 14% shot at Wembanyama.

Otherwise, we'd be looking at a 22 win team, a second rounders, and Amen Thompson. Yeah, buddy.

Its true! Sours lucked out on wemby and essentially ran it back

[sfernald]

Here's what I expect to go down.

I think inevitably the Nets will offer the best package for Lillard.

They just have the most quality assets to give at the end of the day.

They will need to include Spencer Dinwiddie and his 20 million dollar expiring contract in the deal.

We have just enough cap space left to absorb it whole. We will be the third team to help facilitate this trade. We will get Dinwiddie who will be our starting point guard and maybe an asset or two if we are fortunate.

I really like Dinwiddie for this team and love this idea. Hope it happens!

[mo7888]

Here's what I expect to go down.

I think inevitably the Nets will offer the best package for Lillard.

They just have the most quality assets to give at the end of the day.

They will need to include Spencer Dinwiddie and his 20 million dollar expiring contract in the deal.

We have just enough cap space left to absorb it whole. We will be the third team to help facilitate this trade. We will get Dinwiddie who will be our starting point guard and maybe an asset or two if we are fortunate.

I really like Dinwiddie for this team and love this idea. Hope it happens!

That could very well play out...

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Also, as I saw on twitter, did you know that of the ~180 free agents coming into this year's market, the Spurs evidently offered none a contract.

Reminder 1:
we were a 22 win team and 3rd worst team in basketball last year.

Reminder 2:
we were the worst defensive basketball team ever (like in the history of the NBA, LOL)

Reminder 3:
we literally were millions below the salary floor. And even after resigning all but 1 of our guys, remained UNDER it.

Reminder 4:
we had the most salary cap space in the NBA and could have quite easily offered a contract that didn't damage long term cap considerations. See Jeff Greens contract and how he could have helped defensively.

So with all due respect, your take about seeing people be upset we did NOTHING and being buoyed about being right that we did nothing, is based on nothing but homerism.

One last point, I saw in your other reply to me I wanted to highlight, that you didn't start supporting the tank until game 1 of this last year. I was supporting tanking going into the year before. In retrospect, I was wrong in chastizing those that had been calling for it sooner, and STILL off by probably two years. So maybe have a bit of humility about our direction, and sit this one out about who is tapped into the proper direction. There's zero reason we should not have tried to improve this team with a FA signing. ZERO.

Hey but we got a 2nd round pick for absorbing contracts. And got cosmic luck and tapped into our 14% shot at Wembanyama.

Otherwise, we'd be looking at a 22 win team, a second rounders, and Amen Thompson. Yeah, buddy.
LMAO I'm sorry but all I got out of that is that you think Jeff Green somehow was a huge whiff for a team you think is going to be in the lottery next year.

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Here's what I expect to go down.

I think inevitably the Nets will offer the best package for Lillard.

They just have the most quality assets to give at the end of the day.

They will need to include Spencer Dinwiddie and his 20 million dollar expiring contract in the deal.

We have just enough cap space left to absorb it whole. We will be the third team to help facilitate this trade. We will get Dinwiddie who will be our starting point guard and maybe an asset or two if we are fortunate.

I really like Dinwiddie for this team and love this idea. Hope it happens!

I think he actually lives in SA. Would be quite a fortuitous turn of events and could conceivably still bail out PATFO's really odd free agency intransigence.

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LMAO I'm sorry but all I got out of that is that you think Jeff Green somehow was a huge whiff for a team you think is going to be in the lottery next year.

Yeah, I'm shocked that's your take. Fits nicely with your other takes

Jeff Green was a key contributor in Denvera's title run.

BTW, Do you even watch the games?

[Sugus]

So with all due respect, your take about seeing people be upset we did NOTHING and being buoyed about being right that we did nothing, is based on nothing but homerism.

You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, it's your take of being upset that is based on nothing but contrarianism.

The Spurs didn't do nothing with regards to last years' team -- they added a franchise superstar-level player to the roster. You remember that actually happened between last season and this one, right? Then why cite last years' teams' stats and winrate, as if the Spurs were going to "run it back"? The team has suffered a monumental transformation between last season and this one, whether you manage to understand it yet or not.


In retrospect, I was wrong in chastizing those that had been calling for it sooner, and STILL off by probably two years. So maybe have a bit of humility about our direction, and sit this one out about who is tapped into the proper direction.

It's ironic that you recognize having been wrong in chastizing others, while chastizing others :lol. And yet this also isn't the truth you seem to think: had the Spurs tanked when you wanted to, they would've been prevented from being in a position to land Wemby. The Spurs tanked when they deemed it convenient to tank, and that's a fact, above any narrative. They literally chose the opposite path, repeatedly, until an enticing enough prospect swayed them into going for it. And they got it, which I still can't believe, the crazy fucks.


There's zero reason we should not have tried to improve this team with a FA signing. ZERO.

Why do you spill this bullshit, as if we don't have a nose? Here's a quick and easy one: the monumental change to the core of the Spurs team that landing Wemby created, has generated uncertainty on the team's current needs and personnel problems, and it is unwise to commit money to players based on a team that doesn't exist anymore.

Not so hard that even you can't wrap your head around it, now is it?


Otherwise, we'd be looking at a 22 win team, a second rounders, and Amen Thompson. Yeah, buddy.

The last, but not least, of your terrible understanding takes: the completely baseless assumption that the Spurs would have navigated this FA market in the same manner had they not gotten the generational prospect. You can't be this dumb - so why triple down on trying to prove it? Just curious.

[TD 21]

I don't want that selfish chucker Dinwiddie, who'd be gunning more than ever on a team without an established go-to scorer, in a contract season, at 30, with two torn ACL's in his rearview mirror.

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You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, it's your take of being upset that is based on nothing but contrarianism.

The Spurs didn't do nothing with regards to last years' team -- they added a franchise superstar-level player to the roster. You remember that actually happened between last season and this one, right? Then why cite last years' teams' stats and winrate, as if the Spurs were going to "run it back"? The team has suffered a monumental transformation between last season and this one, whether you manage to understand it yet or not.



It's ironic that you recognize having been wrong in chastizing others, while chastizing others :lol. And yet this also isn't the truth you seem to think: had the Spurs tanked when you wanted to, they would've been pprevented from being in a position to land Wemby. The Spurs tanked when they deemed it convenient to tank, and that's a fact, above any narrative. They literally chose the opposite path, for years, until an enticing enough prospect swayed them into going for it. And they got it, which I still can't believe, the crazy fucks.



Why do you spill this bullshit, as if we don't have a nose? Here's a quick and easy one: the monumental change to the core of the Spurs team that landing Wemby created, has generated uncertainty on the team's current needs and personnel problems, and it is unwise to commit money to players based on a team that doesn't exist anymore.

Not so hard that even you can't wrap your head around it, now is it?



The last, but not least, of your terrible understanding takes: the completely baseless assumption that the Spurs would have navigated this FA market in the same manner had they not gotten the generational prospect. You can't be this dumb - so why triple down on trying to prove it? Just curious.


Lol, you've literally been wrong about everything you ever take issue with in my posts. Not to mention you evidently let me get under your skin at some point in the past and wait like a dog on a leash to jump on my posts. Fuck on off now Sugus.

Imagine basing your future on waiting to see if you're an awesome team yet because you cadhed in a 14% miracle when very talented players sit in free agency and for whom none were offered contracts.

[LeBowen]

All these takes of Spurs not getting a single FA are really annoying because whenever we ask you who should've been signed, you simply don't reply.

Reaves and Brook were obviously staying with their teams, everyone else got overpaid. It would be nice to get McDaniels, but that's about it.
The only thing Spurs missed on is forcing Lakers to waste some money.

And those worst team ever takes just show you didn't even watch games. We're lucky noone cared about the Spurs, last season was one of the most disgusting tankjobs ever.
Hunting DNP matchups and sitting players who based on who's the opponent's best player. No chance we get top3 odds without all those DNPs and trading away players mid-season.

If you were in charge, Spurs would end up as a treadmill team and Wemby would have a supporting cast on par with Luka in Dallas.

[Sugus]

Lol, you've literally been wrong about everything you ever take issue with in my posts. Not to mention you evidently let me get under your skin at some point in the past and wait like a dog on a leash to jump on my posts. Fuck on off now Sugus.

Damn, we've crossed paths before? I truly don't remember having a bad exchange with you, you're not on my Ignore nor "forum retards" lists. I actually ended the comment saying that you can't be that stupid, but maybe I was mistaken? :lol

Anyways, nice to see that you have nothing to argue in your favor :tu

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The fuck you talking about? I made a post about 30 pages back where I listed about 5 other guys. Then in the post above I gave yet another.

[Sugus]

All these takes of Spurs not getting a single FA are really annoying because whenever we ask you who should've been signed, you simply don't reply.

Reaves and Brook were obviously staying with their teams, everyone else got overpaid. It would be nice to get McDaniels, but that's about it.
The only thing Spurs missed on is forcing Lakers to waste some money.

And those worst team ever takes just show you didn't even watch games. We're lucky noone cared about the Spurs, last season was one of the most disgusting tankjobs ever.
Hunting DNP matchups and sitting players who based on who's the opponent's best player. No chance we get top3 odds without all those DNPs and trading away players mid-season.

If you were in charge, Spurs would end up as a treadmill team and Wemby would have a supporting cast on par with Luka in Dallas.

Watch out, dude! You're gonna be told you're wrong all the time and he's always right and you're just a hater :lmao

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Watch out, dude! You're gonna be told you're wrong all the time and he's always right and you're just a hater :lmao

Yeah I just disproved his post with facts, dipshit.

[Sugus]

Yeah I just disproved his post with facts, dipshit.

Why don't you try disproving mine now, with facts, pretty boy? Too shy to put 'em on the table?

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Damn, we've crossed paths before? I truly don't remember having a bad exchange with you, you're not on my Ignore nor "forum retards" lists. I actually ended the comment saying that you can't be that stupid, but maybe I was mistaken? :lol

Anyways, nice to see that you have nothing to argue in your favor :tu

Nice try Sugus, each time you're in my mentions it's to tell me how right you are and that I'm a dumbass.

[sfernald]

I don't want that selfish chucker Dinwiddie, who'd be gunning more than ever on a team without an established go-to scorer, in a contract season, at 30, with two torn ACL's in his rearview mirror.

When he got to Brooklyn and played the PG (without Doncic) he averaged nine assists, and he still took 13 shots, which is the amount of shots he's taken the past few years. Thirteen shots seems reasonable for your starting point guard. He's very consistent there. You do want to keep them honest after all.

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Yeah, I'm shocked that's your take. Fits nicely with your other takes

Jeff Green was a key contributor in Denvera's title run.

BTW, Do you even watch the games?
Again, you think the Spurs are bringing back the worst defensive team in the league and that they actually were a 22 win team. Jeff Green doesn't tip the scales.

BTW, do you even read your own posts?

[spurraider21]

If the spurs knew all along that they didn’t have any real targets in FA then there’s even less of an excuse for being as passive as they were on draft night. Running back the tank team with wemby should not have been the goal

[Sugus]

Nice try Sugus, each time you're in my mentions it's to tell me how right you are and that I'm a dumbass.

Uh, that might be because you keep saying dumb shit, and then refusing to elaborate or back it up whatsoever? What else can I tell you if you're a dumbass other than the truth? :lmao


Why don't you try disproving mine now, with facts, pretty boy? Too shy to put 'em on the table?

Come at me, boy, I'm still waiting. Also :lmao thinking I know who the fuck you are, I haven't been active here for like a year, and you changed your profile pic, my only way of telling users apart. I don't fucking know you :lol

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Why don't you try disproving mine now, with facts, pretty boy? Too shy to put 'em on the table?

Disprove what? Your opinions from your ignorant post above?

Tell me aside from the Spurs lucking out with Wembanyama, what about tge franchise's direction and play has been hopeful?

The reason everyone shit their pants on getting Wemby is because the franchise was headed in a decidedly poor direction. Attendance was slipping. Ppl were routinely talking about them moving. Owner's were having to reassure ppl they weren't. On the court they were putting up historically poor defense.. On a 22 win team.

Can't remember who typed it yesterday but this board is so chock full of Homers that any critique of PATFO is met with a really sad reflexive defense of them ON A FURKING MESSAGE BOARD where varying opinionins of the teams direction ought to be part and parcel of a shitty basketball team.

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If the spurs knew all along that they didn’t have any real targets in FA then there’s even less of an excuse for being as passive as they were on draft night. Running back the tank team with wemby should not have been the goal
If they think the players they have are pretty good, they would have done exactly what they did both in the draft and in free agency.

[spurraider21]

If they think the players they have are pretty good, they would have done exactly what they did both in the draft and in free agency.
If they think the tank team was littered with good indispensable players that’s another problem

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Uh, that might be because you keep saying dumb shit, and then refusing to elaborate or back it up whatsoever? What else can I tell you if you're a dumbass other than the truth? :lmao



Come at me, boy, I'm still waiting. Also :lmao thinking I know who the fuck you are, I haven't been active here for like a year, and you changed your profile pic, my only way of telling users apart. I don't fucking know you :lol


Ah the retort of the loser, putting up.laughing emojis after each paragraph.

Again what specifically did you want me to respond? Your opinions that PATFO is awesome and did the right thing by standing pat on a 22 win team that just lucked into a potentially generational talent that also whom, if injured, by default ought to take us back closer to being a 22 win team considering we're basically the EXACT same roster??

[LeBowen]

The fuck you talking about? I made a post about 30 pages back where I listed about 5 other guys. Then in the post above I gave yet another.

Sorry, I missed the post when you listed 5 players, but Jeff Green is definitely not it.

I'd be annoyed only if we missed on some players who improve Spurs long term. Do you really think Jeff Green does anything for us?
With our coaching staff and all the legends still around, Spurs don't really need high-character veterans like most other teams do.

I'm really surprised it's taking so long for McDaniels to sign, I'd really like Spurs to make an offer. Would be a perfect 3-D addition, still hasn't turned 23.

PATFO have had their share of subpar to horrible moves, but they've been solid ever since they accepted it's time to blow it up and traded everyone away.
Look around the league, so many teams cornered themselves into horrible cap situations without having a chance to contend, even if they have an elite player on the roster.
Just give Wemby one year to show us what he's got, then it's going to be easy to build around him.

[ace3g]

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If they think the tank team was littered with good indispensable players that’s another problem
If you think the tank was due to the talent of the players I can tell who wasn't watching the games last year.

[TD 21]

When he got to Brooklyn and played the PG (without Doncic) he averaged nine assists, and he still took 13 shots, which is the amount of shots he's taken the past few years. Thirteen shots seems reasonable for your starting point guard. He's very consistent there. You do want to keep them honest after all.

He's got a poor shot selection, has had a star level usage rate in situations like this in the past and is inefficient.

[rascal]

Again, you think the Spurs are bringing back the worst defensive team in the league and that they actually were a 22 win team. Jeff Green doesn't tip the scales.

BTW, do you even read your own posts?

Yes they were a 22 win team last year.

They got as many wins from other tanking teams that they gave away by tanking. The roster is void of talent outside of Wemby. Still the worst roster in the league outside of Wemby.

[spurraider21]

If you think the tank was due to the talent of the players I can tell who wasn't watching the games last year.
Ditto

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Sorry, I missed the post when you listed 5 players, but Jeff Green is definitely not it.

I'd be annoyed only if we missed on some players who improve Spurs long term. Do you really think Jeff Green does anything for us?
With our coaching staff and all the legends still around, Spurs don't really need high-character veterans like most other teams do.

I'm really surprised it's taking so long for McDaniels to sign, I'd really like Spurs to make an offer. Would be a perfect 3-D addition, still hasn't turned 23.

PATFO have had their share of subpar to horrible moves, but they've been solid ever since they accepted it's time to blow it up and traded everyone away.
Look around the league, so many teams cornered themselves into horrible cap situations without having a chance to contend, even if they have an elite player on the roster.
Just give Wemby one year to show us what he's got, then it's going to be easy to build around him.

Fair enough.

Edited to include: BTW, nowhere did I say Jeff Green was "the answer." He was definitely someone that could have improved this team though (as he proved with Denver). And he was DIRT CHEAP. And while we are talking about solutions, surely you'd agree with me that Stevenson and Osman ain't it either?

Reminder: We are STILL under the required salary floor, not to mention the salary cap. This lack of activity just doesn't make sense.

[Sugus]

Disprove what? Your opinions from your ignorant post above?

Well, you're the one on the disproving crusade. I just explained to you why you're wrong - namely the wrongful belief that the Spurs have not significantly added to their last season's team, completely overlooking the monumental Wemby addition. I guess it's less disprove, more acknowledging you were wrong? Humility? Something like that, you know of that?


Tell me aside from the Spurs lucking out with Wembanyama, what about tge franchise's direction and play has been hopeful?

You can ask me, or you can read the 30 pages of discussion on the "Spurs have the worst future" post, where I repeatedly broke it down and doubled down on now wine-aged takes. In summary and specifically, the franchise's direction has led them exactly to landing Wemby (which I once again laugh at you for dismissing such a beautiful tank job as "lucking out", you really don't get it, huh?), while also having a good to great young supporting cast for him to grow into, AND no significant commited money to bad contracts. Does that really look like a hopeless situation to you? Get real.


The reason everyone shit their pants on getting Wemby is because the franchise was headed in a decidedly poor direction. Attendance was slipping. Ppl were routinely talking about them moving. Owner's were having to reassure ppl they weren't. On the court they were putting up historically poor defense.. On a 22 win team.

No, everyone shits their pants on getting Wemby because they understand how tremendously important he is. The Spurs having had to steep to the bottom to grab him is a feature, not the bug that you're painting.

Only ST retards talked about the team moving, there was literally no traction to that of any kind. On the court they put a stinker defense, en route to a #1 pick. Again, bug, not feature, you understand that?


Can't remember who typed it yesterday but this board is so chock full of Homers that any critique of PATFO is met with a really sad reflexive defense of them ON A FURKING MESSAGE BOARD where varying opinionins of the teams direction ought to be part and parcel of a shitty basketball team.

Oh, you know me by name but hadn't realised I didn't type the other comment? Bullshit... But alas, IDGAF. You're too prideful to admit that the "chock full of Homers" were fucking right, and the Spurs are in a beautiful position now. And you gotta resort to whining that they're not doing something that your mind can understand :lol

[rjv]

ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.

[XenoThirteen]

If you think the tank was due to the talent of the players I can tell who wasn't watching the games last year.

Agreed. If I remembered correctly, they were literally sitting one or more of Keldon, Jeremy, and Devin every game or so that wasn’t a sure loss. Gotta be a little bit more optimistic that this team is more than it seems.

[Sugus]

ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.

The off-season is definitely about as "club right before closing time" as you get, tbf :lol

[Mr. Body]

ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.

"I just gotta stick my dick in something!"

"Why??"

"Because!"

[JuneJive]

ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.

Well said.

PATFO practically came out and said they were gonna use this season as a let's see who and what works best around/with Wemby.

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Agreer. If I remembered correctly, they were literally sitting one or more of Keldon, Jeremy, and Devin every game or so that wasn’t a sure Loss. Gotta be a little bit more optimistic that this team is more than it seems.

Devin and Jeremy also had legitimate injuries. They happen to teams. And many still are able to win more than 22 games and not play historically atrocious defense.

Keldon was also battling an injury. I recall he supposedly got food poisoning too. That stuff happens. And it will again next season. Now just imagine Wemby spraining a knee or rolling an ankle. Then we have our 22 win team almost to a person again.

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Well said.

PATFO practically came out and said they were gonna use this season as a let's see who and what works best around/with Wemby.


Yes, we all saw that. Tell me again tho how that prevents adding (or even offering, FFS) a couple players from the now open roster spots in fre agency. Ines that help you get to the salary floor and maybe, just maybe make your team better?

You really can't have a logical response to this that defends their lack of action to even offer a Jeff Green. Or insert other player's name...

[SpursFan86]

If they think the tank team was littered with good indispensable players that’s another problem

If we weren’t tanking we might’ve been title contenders tbh. It was a miracle we managed to only win 22 games with all of this talent. :rolleyes

[rascal]

Uh, that might be because you keep saying dumb shit, and then refusing to elaborate or back it up whatsoever? What else can I tell you if you're a dumbass other than the truth? :lmao



Come at me, boy, I'm still waiting. Also :lmao thinking I know who the fuck you are, I haven't been active here for like a year, and you changed your profile pic, my only way of telling users apart. I don't fucking know you :lol

You've been active in here. I've seen that long haired avatar all year.

[Extra Stout]

Clearly the front office is running it back with basically the exact same roster as last year’s 22-win team. There are a few possibilities:
1) They intentionally tanked last year and believe these players are much better than what the record reflected.
2) They know they don’t have much talent apart from Victor and just plan to build talent over a couple of years through all the draft picks they have accumulated.
3) They are worse at player evaluation than message board posters and think their suck-ass players are actually good.

[Mr. Body]

Yes, we all saw that. Tell me again tho how that prevents adding (or even offering, FFS) a couple players from the now open roster spots in fre agency. Ines that help you get to the salary floor and maybe, just maybe make your team better?

You really can't have a logical response to this that defends their lack of action to even offer a Jeff Green. Or insert other player's name...

Opportunity cost.

Know what that is?

It means when you commit to an action, spend a resource, you can't do another action or spend that resource on something else.

Why do you want Jeff Green? Why do you want Jeff Green when getting Jeff Green means you can't use that money on something else? If you have $8 million outgoing for next year, that's money you can't use on a player you could actually use.

You just want to send money to spend money. This is stupid and senseless, no offense. The team has said very clearly that they want to see what works and then build from there. You just want to throw players into the mix to make yourself feel better. It's this consumerist wonky mentality that just wants to buy mindlessly without accounting for any consequences.

[XenoThirteen]

Devin and Jeremy also had legitimate injuries. They happen to teams. And many still are able to win more than 22 games and not play historically atrocious defense.

Keldon was also battling an injury. I recall he supposedly got food poisoning too. That stuff happens. And it will again next season. Now just imagine Wemby spraining a knee or rolling an ankle. Then we have our 22 win team almost to a person again.

We would have our 22 win team who are all a year older and hopefully have developed a bit more. Let’s not forget a large number of players seem to improve the most during their first 2-3 years in the league, and our young core is precisely on that age group.

Also, I’m pretty sure Vassel could have come back earlier if PATFO weren’t being extra super mega cautious (ie, using the injury as an excuse to sit him out more). There was a stretch where it felt like we were sitting players out for paper-cuts and hurt feelings.

While I admit I really like some of the free agents this year, I don’t think we could have realistically gotten the needle movers (notably Reaves and Lopez). Not sure I’d want FVV at 40M even if it ends up just for 2 years guaranteed with a team option at year 3.

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ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.

Since you're comparing Jeff Green to a ugly fat guy or gal at the end of the night

1. Would Jeff Green have made us better? He certainly made Denver better and helped them win a championship. And he's on a steal of a contract with the Rockets now.

2. Would any other number of players have made the team better? Helped get us to the salary floor?

Or is your stance merely a reflexive defense of PATFO? You should really consider asking yourself that. I used to be the biggest sniffer on this board and now, well I'm free to critique them and I'm glad I'm off that hype train.

[Mr. Body]

Clearly the front office is running it back with basically the exact same roster as last year’s 22-win team. There are a few possibilities:
1) They intentionally tanked last year and believe these players are much better than what the record reflected.
2) They know they don’t have much talent apart from Victor and just plan to build talent over a couple of years through all the draft picks they have accumulated.
3) They are worse at player evaluation than message board posters and think their suck-ass players are actually good.

This team has a lot of talent. It just happens to be in the bodies of 19 to 23 year olds.

This rascal mentality that these players are not improving is mindless. Especially as fans of a team that has developed a number of players from a standstill.

The pouting and unrealistic angst and pessimism about players who are barely even starting their careers is insufferable.

[LeBowen]

Since you're comparing Jeff Green to a ugly fat guy or gal at the end of the night

1. Would Jeff Green have made us better? He certainly made Denver better and helped them win a championship. And he's on a steal of a contract with the Rockets now.

2. Would any other number of players have made the team better? Helped get us to the salary floor?

Or is your stance merely a reflexive defense of PATFO? You should really consider asking yourself that. I used to be the biggest sniffer on this board and now, well I'm free to critique them and I'm glad I'm off that hype train.

1. Jeff Green averaged 4ppg in the playoffs. Do you know that he's going to turn 37 before the season starts? You really think that a 37 year old will care about fighting for a play-in spot after winning a ring and getting paid?

2. That's what we keep asking you. Give us names of all those players. Spurs need a point guard and could use a stretch big. Noone was available. Which PG you think Spurs should've signed?

[Dejounte]

Clearly the front office is running it back with basically the exact same roster as last year’s 22-win team. There are a few possibilities:
1) They intentionally tanked last year and believe these players are much better than what the record reflected.
2) They know they don’t have much talent apart from Victor and just plan to build talent over a couple of years through all the draft picks they have accumulated.
3) They are worse at player evaluation than message board posters and think their suck-ass players are actually good.

Do you realize you are a message board poster too? And giving your opinion that the players on the team aren’t any good is a player evaluation in itself?

[rascal]

The Spurs missed their opportunity to improve the roster on draft night.

They either didn't make any offers or made very weak offers no one had any interest in on draft night but if they didn't like who was available in FA then draft night was the time to be assertive and make something happen.

[rascal]

Clearly the front office is running it back with basically the exact same roster as last year’s 22-win team. There are a few possibilities:
1) They intentionally tanked last year and believe these players are much better than what the record reflected.
2) They know they don’t have much talent apart from Victor and just plan to build talent over a couple of years through all the draft picks they have accumulated.
3) They are worse at player evaluation than message board posters and think their suck-ass players are actually good.

There is some truth to all three.

[ChumpDumper]

Also, as I saw on twitter, did you know that of the ~180 free agents coming into this year's market, the Spurs evidently offered none a contract.

Reminder 1:
we were a 22 win team and 3rd worst team in basketball last year.

Reminder 2:
we were the worst defensive basketball team ever (like in the history of the NBA, LOL)

Reminder 3:
we literally were millions below the salary floor. And even after resigning all but 1 of our guys, remained UNDER it.

Reminder 4:
we had the most salary cap space in the NBA and could have quite easily offered a contract that didn't damage long term cap considerations. See Jeff Greens contract and how he could have helped defensively.

So with all due respect, your take about seeing people be upset we did NOTHING and being buoyed about being right that we did nothing, is based on nothing but homerism.

One last point, I saw in your other reply to me I wanted to highlight, that you didn't start supporting the tank until game 1 of this last year. I was supporting tanking going into the year before. In retrospect, I was wrong in chastizing those that had been calling for it sooner, and STILL off by probably two years. So maybe have a bit of humility about our direction, and sit this one out about who is tapped into the proper direction. There's zero reason we should not have tried to improve this team with a FA signing. ZERO.

Hey but we got a 2nd round pick for absorbing contracts. And got cosmic luck and tapped into our 14% shot at Wembanyama.

Otherwise, we'd be looking at a 22 win team, a second rounders, and Amen Thompson. Yeah, buddy.

Which FAs did you want to sign this weekend?

[Obstructed_View]

Devin and Jeremy also had legitimate injuries. They happen to teams. And many still are able to win more than 22 games and not play historically atrocious defense.

Keldon was also battling an injury. I recall he supposedly got food poisoning too. That stuff happens. And it will again next season. Now just imagine Wemby spraining a knee or rolling an ankle. Then we have our 22 win team almost to a person again.
Yep. Didn't watch any of the games. Got it.

[exstatic]

Yeah, I'm shocked that's your take. Fits nicely with your other takes

Jeff Green was a key contributor in Denvera's title run.

BTW, Do you even watch the games?

:rollin Jeff Green is THIRTY SIX FUCKING YEARS OLD!!
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[Extra Stout]

This team has a lot of talent. It just happens to be in the bodies of 19 to 23 year olds.

This rascal mentality that these players are not improving is mindless. Especially as fans of a team that has developed a number of players from a standstill.

The pouting and unrealistic angst and pessimism about players who are barely even starting their careers is insufferable.
What I actually believe is a combination of (1) and (2). They had the worst defense in history because they purposely implemented a scheme that needs experienced players to execute properly and then hardly practiced it. They were purposely overconservative with injury management to prevent good players from meshing together and getting into a rhythm. They tanked.

They have a bunch of young players who are still developing and have a chance to break out. They’re going to give those players a chance to do so, at the expense of maximizing wins.

However, they recognize that this is far from a contending roster unless somebody really beats the odds and breaks out, so they’ve accumulated a ton of draft capital over the next few years. Their own pick and the Toronto pick next year are likely to be lottery picks. The Chicago and Atlanta picks in 2025 look pretty attractive. The Atlanta swap in ‘26 is really promising.

[Extra Stout]

Do you realize you are a message board poster too? And giving your opinion that the players on the team aren’t any good is a player evaluation in itself?
#3 was sarcastic

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs missed their opportunity to improve the roster on draft night.

They either didn't make any offers or made very weak offers no one had any interest in on draft night but if they didn't like who was available in FA then draft night was the time to be assertive and make something happen.

?????

You're something else, man.

[Ariel]

The Spurs missed their opportunity to improve the roster on draft night.

They either didn't make any offers or made very weak offers no one had any interest in on draft night but if they didn't like who was available in FA then draft night was the time to be assertive and make something happen.
Yeah, we got stuck with that Wemby bum.

[exstatic]

Which FAs did you want to sign this weekend?

Apparently, he wants a one night stand with the geriatric Jeff Green.

[heyheymymy]

ST posters acting like drunks at a club right before closing time, dropping their standards and willing to bed any old barfly available.

It's like black Friday with money burning a hole in your pocket.

ST has zero impulse control.

[EricB]

The Spurs missed their opportunity to improve the roster on draft night.

They either didn't make any offers or made very weak offers no one had any interest in on draft night but if they didn't like who was available in FA then draft night was the time to be assertive and make something happen.


so you would’ve given up 4-5 first rounders on draft night?

seems intelligent