The Irregular Trebuchet of Stephon Castle

[z0sa]

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Bout damn time

[Obstructed_View]

Eh winners don't care about useless awards. Voters just pick who has the most counting stats, players know that. It is like sixth man and scoring title.
I watched Castle shove an official last night trying to keep Zach Edey from taking a meaningless dead-ball rebound from him. I PROMISE that Castle is more of a winner than you or I are, and I'm 100 percent sure that he cares about winning that award.

[thOOdee]

Castle is him…

[Obstructed_View]

He's a fuckin stud.

[Manu-of-steel]

Castle cares about winning- games, ROY, he just cares. That's a mentality of a winner

[ginobilized]

Despite the irregularity of his trebuchet, (and I grew up in a time when a true man didn't make comments about another man's trebuchet) Castle is poised for a great career.

[BatManu20]

Kid has the goods.

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[Knoxxx]

I’d like to have seen Castle get some more touches in the 4th to set a new career high. Worth noting he threw up two attempted long buzzer beaters so he was 4 of 8 on actual 3s.

[SPURt]

Castle is the best Spur outside of Wemby already. Definitely worth watching even without Wemby.

[Killakobe81]

Future Laker, lol
All jokes aside, yall got a real one

[Ice009]

Castle cares about winning- games, ROY, he just cares. That's a mentality of a winner

Of course he does. I guess some people don't seem to understand that. Similar to what Obstructed_View said, who gives a crap what values you or I, or anyone here has. He's a winner, and you don't become one by not giving a shit. He absolutely would want that rookie of the year.

I grew up watching TD and Manu and learned at an early age that those awards don't mean that much as winning is the ultimate goal, but those guys were winning Championships so it's easier to overlook those things/awards. If your team's not quite at that level, playing for something is better than playing for nothing. Whether it's winning, improving, trying to improve your own game and be a better player, trying to show you're the best rookie etc., it's still better playing for something rather than simply being there for the money only.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyGCJtzqZTg

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBlID-086sE

[exstatic]

I watched Castle shove an official last night trying to keep Zach Edey from taking a meaningless dead-ball rebound from him. I PROMISE that Castle is more of a winner than you or I are, and I'm 100 percent sure that he cares about winning that award.

That wasn’t about ROY, that was about Edey setting a brick wall pick on him in the national championship game last year.

[cutewizard]

what a vast imp[rovement

[Obstructed_View]

That wasn’t about ROY, that was about Edey setting a brick wall pick on him in the national championship game last year.
Gee, that doesn't sound like a guy who's competitive or wants to win ROY at all, does it?

[Obstructed_View]

Castle is him…
Lol at your awesome sig pics. I love that one of Dave. I think it's from Sports Illustrated. I have a box somewhere with that picture in it.

[scott]

Castle listed as questionable tomorrow versus BKN with a thumb sprain. I'm guessing this came on that hack by Dort that OKC challenged (originally called on SGA when it was on Dort).

[Ocotillo]

Castle listed as questionable tomorrow versus BKN with a thumb sprain. I'm guessing this came on that hack by Dort that OKC challenged (originally called on SGA when it was on Dort).

Agreed, Castle came out of it rubbing his hand (thumb) afterwards.

[Knoxxx]

The worst part was that ass wipe Dort acting all outraged like he didn’t maul Castle’s hand!

[Ice009]

Castle listed as questionable tomorrow versus BKN with a thumb sprain. I'm guessing this came on that hack by Dort that OKC challenged (originally called on SGA when it was on Dort).

Darn, was looking forward to watching him play next game :(. Hopefully it's nothing serious.

[Thomas82]

Of course he does. I guess some people don't seem to understand that. Similar to what Obstructed_View said, who gives a crap what values you or I, or anyone here has. He's a winner, and you don't become one by not giving a shit. He absolutely would want that rookie of the year.

I grew up watching TD and Manu and learned at an early age that those awards don't mean that much as winning is the ultimate goal, but those guys were winning Championships so it's easier to overlook those things/awards. If your team's not quite at that level, playing for something is better than playing for nothing. Whether it's winning, improving, trying to improve your own game and be a better player, trying to show you're the best rookie etc., it's still better playing for something rather than simply being there for the money only.

I agree with every word of this.

[thOOdee]

Appreciate it! Put them up around when I first joined when I was in college and always thought that one was cool. Saw someone the other day on here talking about simplifying their posts by removing their sigs to ease scrolling, and thought about doing the same. But nehhhhh, too much of a comfort and nostalgia to change em now.

[KobesAchilles]

:lol at people saying ROY is meaningless and players don’t want it. People on here saying individual awards are meaningless and the only thing that matters is winning. We are a 25 win team. Winning ROY would do wonders for Castle going forward and help us actually win. He’d be the established number 3 guy on our team. The refs would know his name and he’d probably double his free throw attempts next year just from name recognition alone. Not to mention being called for less ticky tack fouls. And the confidence he will gain this offseason will be through the roof. Not a lot of rookies thrive in the nba and even fewer rookies feel confident going forward the next year. Let the kid win it and have his moment.

There are too many Big 3 Spurs fans on this site that don’t remember/ or have no idea the days of hanging division champion banners. It was a big deal then and so was Duncan and Robinson winning ROY.

[cutewizard]

Just imagine if we got Flagg

That would be three straight ROYs lol

[ginobilized]

4 or more studly showings and the ROY trophy has his name on it. Definitely his to lose after the last couple of games.

[stnick2261]

Getting someone good like Wemby or Castle doesn't matter if there were 30 of each and each team had a set. Making your team better doesn't matter if every team in the league gets better by the same amount. This is why I like ROY. It's just one method, but it helps to show that your team is getting better at a quicker rate than other teams. For a team as bad as we are, it takes a lot to get us back to contending status. Back to back ROYs has happened before, but afaik, no one has had 3.

[scott]

:lol at people saying ROY is meaningless and players don’t want it. People on here saying individual awards are meaningless and the only thing that matters is winning. We are a 25 win team. Winning ROY would do wonders for Castle going forward and help us actually win. He’d be the established number 3 guy on our team. The refs would know his name and he’d probably double his free throw attempts next year just from name recognition alone. Not to mention being called for less ticky tack fouls. And the confidence he will gain this offseason will be through the roof. Not a lot of rookies thrive in the nba and even fewer rookies feel confident going forward the next year. Let the kid win it and have his moment.

There are too many Big 3 Spurs fans on this site that don’t remember/ or have no idea the days of hanging division champion banners. It was a big deal then and so was Duncan and Robinson winning ROY.

Also... maybe a nice little bump up from his Jordan Brand endorsement deal, and other endorsement opportunities. Things that help a small market team keep a player.

[Pauleta14]

I'm still pissed they robbed Wemby his DPOY, Castle better get his uncontested ROTY

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHNuyfL1ALo

[jjspur]

Look, we all know Castle was drafted 4th and is at least top4 in the ROY race. Thing is that he has outplayed even that slot. Castle was good, but ever since Wemby went down, Castle has stepped it up. Can you say that about the top 3 picks ? No, not really. If Wemby isn't ready to start next season (heaven forbid) guess who will be one of the top 2 players on the team. That's right Mr. Castle.

Does he deserve ROY ? Hell yeah, you're seeing it right before your eyes.

[cd98]

Jordan seemed to have the ability to hang in the air...Castle and that hesitation off one leg just throws defenders off...he can stop on a dime and go against the Defendant's instincts on what he thinks Castle will do.

[Knoxxx]

RoM in March = RoY for Castle!!!

[cutewizard]

Castle is the new Manuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amR6LLjdPN4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZeuG3WT74o

[venitian navigator]

Probably someone already said It, but Castle game reminds a lot Butler's game...and his body looks more or less the same considering height and strenght...so for next season a back court Fox Vassell Castle could be the One in order...

[spursparker9]

He has flashes of Jimmy, D-Wade and D-Rose

[timtonymanu]

Rooting hard for the kid to win ROY.

Just repeating what some of have said, it’s retarded to think the award is meaningless. If Castle was still starting, his numbers would look even better. Dude is one improved 3 point shooting away from being a star.

[cutewizard]

We could use Chip Engelland as shooting coach right now

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360p1dNMYVQ

[scott]

https://i.imgur.com/9HrY5Mc.png

[ginobilized]

https://i.imgur.com/9HrY5Mc.png

Nice find! He is a 2-way demon in the making. It's been a minute since we've had a perimeter iso god. Area 51 is going to cause some paranormal happenings next season.

[Sugus]

https://i.imgur.com/9HrY5Mc.png

Great chart! Do you happen to have the same one, but for Risacher? Personal curiosity...

[scott]

Great chart! Do you happen to have the same one, but for Risacher? Personal curiosity...

I plucked this off their socials, it's not something I created, so unfortunately no.

Been thinking of getting a subscription to their site because I really like their stuff but I'm also trying to be better at wasting money on superfluous things :lol

[BatManu20]

First Castle gets benched in a meaningless game against the shitty Mavs, then the team hazes his ass and removes the wheels from his car. Tough night for the Rook :lol

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[SpurSpike]

Fucking with my car would piss me off tbh.

[CGD]

First Castle gets benched in a meaningless game against the shitty Mavs, then the team hazes his ass and removes the wheels from his car. Tough night for the Rook :lol

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Damn, did they even put it on blocks? That’s rough but hilarious

[Ice009]

Darn, that's crazy. Did they put it up off the ground? Nice car, though. What year model is that Toyota Supra?

[Bill_Brasky]

That's not very friendly of the friendship krew.

[CGD]

Darn, that's crazy. Did they put it up off the ground? Nice car, though. What year model is that Toyota Supra?

Those Supras are pretty slick.

[rankingtear]

Steph said he is not shooting for ROY and that is why he didn't mention it all year. Told you nobody cares. Fans making shit up.

[Knoxxx]

LOVE THIS KID!!!!

[Knoxxx]

Steph said he is not shooting for ROY and that is why he didn't mention it all year. Told you nobody cares. Fans making shit up.

Rethink your life he’s a LOCK!!!

[scott]

Steph said he is not shooting for ROY and that is why he didn't mention it all year. Told you nobody cares. Fans making shit up.

I don't care what he says... he was clearly upset about not winning the Slam Dunk Contest, I don't believe the notion that he doesn't care about ROTY. That doesn't mean he wouldn't sacrifice individual awards for team success, but he's a competitor and no doubt if all else is equal he cares about the award.

[Ice009]

I still think he cares, but it probably isn't his number one focus if that makes sense. I'm pretty sure he still wants to win it regardless of what he's said about it. I think he really wanted that slam dunk contest too. He seemed very energized that all-star weekend. It was good to see him competing and having fun out there during all-star weekend. Lots of NBA players don't seem to care about it that much, and that is part of the reason it's not as good anymore, but Steph was the opposite. Victor too.

[baseline bum]

Steph's up to -1100 on Bovada for ROY

https://www.bovada.lv/sports/basketball/nba-awards-league-leaders/futures-odd

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/dGSedSnjTMI?si=GesoogK6bUyJgHa2

[cutewizard]

He keeps improving offensively

He's got many more offensive moves lately.....

[Raven]

he doesn't pass the eye test.

[Ice009]

he doesn't pass the eye test.

Elaborate, please.

[LeBowen]

Elaborate, please.

He's blind.
Don't engage with him, he's a retard who's only gimmick is shitting on Castle.
I'm frankly sick of people in here who do nothing but bait with awful takes that are obviously wrong.

[Ice009]

He's blind.
Don't engage with him, he's a retard who's only gimmick is shitting on Castle.
I'm frankly sick of people in here who do nothing but bait with awful takes that are obviously wrong.

I didn't think he was, but you may be correct. I just thought he might be looking at other aspects other than scoring, so I was curious what he's looking for when he watches Steph (that is, if he wasn't just shitting on him for no reason).

I thought Steph showed tonight that even though he was in foul trouble and missed chunks of the game, he was still able to come out there and still be composed enough to do what he does (score, play defense, pass the ball, rebound a little bit).
He didn't have the greatest game, but I liked that he was still playing his usual game in between the foul calls and sitting on the bench while in foul trouble.

[ginobilized]

Castle is all business all the time, I love that. I'm having a hard time recalling a rookie guard adding to his offensive arsenal midseason like he has. He'll be knocking on the All-Star door by year 3 when we are starting to click.

As long as he plays 65 games or whatever the minimum is, ROY is his to lose. And by lose, I mean averaging 7 pts and 4 TO from here on out. Ain't happenin'.

[scott]

he doesn't pass the eye test.

Raven’s eye test says that “Devin Vassell is very good, consistently” which is about all you need to know about his eye sight.

[spurraider21]

Raven’s eye test says that “Devin Vassell is very good, consistently” which is about all you need to know about his eye sight.
he also thought branham losing his rotation spot was undeserved

[Raven]

Elaborate, please.

On offense he's basically kirby bryant and on D he's barely ahead of belinelli. It is actually hard to have such a negative impact on a team on both ends... thankfully he's rookie and surely he'll improve, but currently he's on the trajectory of professional cancer, rather than the plus defender we thought we drafted.

[Raven]

he also thought branham losing his rotation spot was undeserved

i was obviously right?

[LeBowen]

On offense he's basically kirby bryant and on D he's barely ahead of belinelli. It is actually hard to have such a negative impact on a team on both ends... thankfully he's rookie and surely he'll improve, but currently he's on the trajectory of professional cancer, rather than the plus defender we thought we drafted.

Are you a masochist of some kind? Do you enjoy being a retard?
I genuinely don't understand what's wrong with some of you people. You're just spewing nonsense even though you know there are no stats that will back your claims, especially the awful takes about Castle's defense you've been posting since November.
It's like you want people to dunk on you.

Same goes for Mr. Body and his Fox hating that's awful on sove many levels and can easily be disproven.


Image posted by scott 5 days ago.
https://i.imgur.com/9HrY5Mc.png
But you simply have to be a retard.

[Raven]

I didn't think he was, but you may be correct. I just thought he might be looking at other aspects other than scoring, so I was curious what he's looking for when he watches Steph (that is, if he wasn't just shitting on him for no reason).

I thought Steph showed tonight that even though he was in foul trouble and missed chunks of the game, he was still able to come out there and still be composed enough to do what he does (score, play defense, pass the ball, rebound a little bit).
He didn't have the greatest game, but I liked that he was still playing his usual game in between the foul calls and sitting on the bench while in foul trouble.

it's not a shtick, it is in fact embarassing to defend him at this point, like when it is that obvious, it is hard to even start the list of what he's doing wrong.. but the important part is that he's not playing with the team, he's playing his own game for his own stats, i cannot count the times where he'd go for an offensive move 1 against 5 with everyone of his teammates still on the other end of the half. When he handles the ball he always either looks for his own penetration or passes from a static position, he doesn't drive and pass creating space for his teammates, it's either cathartic assist or no pass at all and the team is very obviously suffering because of it. Devin and Champ especially you can really see how the good shots really dry up whenever castle is on the floor. On D he's just flat out awful, gets scored on by anyone and can't keep up with anyone either, yes he's not cp3 level of slow but add not keeping up on others penetration with his outrageous amount of reaching for steals, and you get our defensive rating. I was thinking that he could have been a pg defender since he has the size and theoretical speed for it, but i really don't see it anymore, and there was no doubt he had no chance to contest taller sgs or god forbid sfs, like he simply doesn't have the size for it.

[Raven]

Are you a masochist of some kind? Do you enjoy being a retard?
I genuinely don't understand what's wrong with some of you people. You're just spewing nonsense even though you know there are no stats that will back your claims, especially the awful takes about Castle's defense you've been posting since November.
It's like you want people to dunk on you.

Same goes for Mr. Body and his Fox hating that's awful on sove many levels and can easily be disproven.


Image posted by scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) 5 days ago.
https://i.imgur.com/9HrY5Mc.png
But you simply have to be a retard.

i said he doesn't pass the eye test and you post stats.. your reading comprehension is lacking. But also your stats are laughable since you don't get stats at all.

[LeBowen]

i said he doesn't pass the eye test and you post stats..

And I told you that you're fucking blind.
You've been spewing the same eye test line since November after nearly every single game and you don't have anything to back it up.
Now you're going to say how he got outplayed by Luka in a couple of situations last night. Guess what? It's near-impossible to play man to man defense against modern superstars because of how the game is officiated and even the best defenders in the league get scored on regularly.


your reading comprehension is lacking. But also your stats are laughable since you don't get stats at all.

https://www.bball-index.com/
One of the most reputable sites for advanced stats, but I'm sure you never heard of it because it's all about the eye test.
I don't have a subscription, I'd like if someone could enlighten you. But then again, that wouldn't do much since you're either blind or just straight up trolling.

Much like I told Mr. Body, are you really that arrogant to think you're right if you're like the only user on this site who has that awful take and everyone else disagrees?
Fucks sake, why do I even bother.

[Raven]

And I told you that you're fucking blind.
You've been spewing the same eye test line since November after nearly every single game and you don't have anything to back it up.
Now you're going to say how he got outplayed by Luka in a couple of situations last night. Guess what? It's near-impossible to play man to man defense against modern superstars because of how the game is officiated and even the best defenders in the league get scored on regularly.



https://www.bball-index.com/
One of the most reputable sites for advanced stats, but I'm sure you never heard of it because it's all about the eye test.
I don't have a subscription, I'd like if someone could enlighten you. But then again, that wouldn't do much since you're either blind or just straight up trolling.

Much like I told Mr. Body, are you really that arrogant to think you're right if you're like the only user on this site who has that awful take and everyone else disagrees?
Fucks sake, why do I even bother.

right.. it's the refs fault..

[scott]

:lol Raven has repeatedly shown themselves to be one of the most clueless posters around with zero understanding of statistics. "Devin Vassell is very good, consistently" is my second favorite take of the season after "Zach Collins is having an objectively good season".

There is literally zero reason to engage in good faith with this clown.

[LeBowen]

right.. it's the refs fault..

Fuck off, retard. Especially after mentioning reading comprehension.
I think of myself as someone who's patient enough, I've discussed a lot of things with most members in here, but once you cross the retard line, there's no coming back.
As of late, your Castle takes are the most retarded thing on this forum alongside Mr. Body's Fox hate.

It's one thing to not like a player and talk about their issues because both have them, but to say shit like Castle is a Belinelli on defense or Fox does nothing except iso scoring is just straight up trolling and you'd get banned on every single forum that had anyone resembling an active mod.

[Raven]

Fuck off, retard. Especially after mentioning reading comprehension.
I think of myself as someone who's patient enough, I've discussed a lot of things with most members in here, but once you cross the retard line, there's no coming back.
As of late, your Castle takes are the most retarded thing on this forum alongside Mr. Body's Fox hate.

It's one thing to not like a player and talk about their issues because both have them, but to say shit like Castle is a Belinelli on defense or Fox does nothing except iso scoring is just straight up trolling and you'd get banned on every single forum that had anyone resembling an active mod.

it's not an opinion, reading comprehension was legitimately garbage, I said he doesn't pass the eye test and you post statistics in response (technically, they are actually NOT statistics but functions), how else would you describe the response otherwise? I don't know what you're talking about with the fox takes, but on the belinelli takes, well I think most people know how much i have always disliked him, but castle with all the justifications that he can have (rookie, atrocious coaching, godawful lineups, no center) has just as many bad defensive possessions.

[Raven]

:lol Raven (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=35860) has repeatedly shown themselves to be one of the most clueless posters around with zero understanding of statistics. "Devin Vassell is very good, consistently" is my second favorite take of the season after "Zach Collins is having an objectively good season".

There is literally zero reason to engage in good faith with this clown.

yeah, I don't think devin is the problem on this team, he does what he does, i'm not sure what expectations you guys have for him, but he's pretty much the only one still playing.

[Sugus]

yeah, I don't think devin is the problem on this team, he does what he does, i'm not sure what expectations you guys have for him, but he's pretty much the only one still playing.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I mean, are you serious here?

He was handsomely paid not only based on production but future projection and development, which is exactly the expectation, and I'd love to hear how you think he measured up to that this season. He has flat-out disappeared numerous games, his shooting stroke is terrible most nights, his defense has regressed as backed up by stats like DARKO DPM, and he's all-around failed to take a step forward in a season where the Spurs absolutely needed him to.

He's arguably playing himself off the team right now, tbh. How can you say he "does what he does" as if it's some kind of positive? Some stats now - He's shooting 35% on 3s for the season, second-lowest of his career except for his rookie season, on less attempts than his past two seasons and a worse FG% than his last two seasons also. He's shooting sub-80% on free throws, his assists are down as well.....

Sure, you'll always be able to say he's not the problem on a team whose star has been diagnosed with a season-ending condition and second star has had season-ending surgery as well -- but it's hardly the high bar you're making it out to be.

It's currently sink-or-swim time for most Spurs player, and he seems to be drowning by all accounts right now.

E: one more, all-around stat here - he's currently at a -7.4 NetRtg for the season, second-lowest for his career. Sure, shit season and team etc, but c'mon.....

[LeBowen]

it's not an opinion, reading comprehension was legitimately garbage, I said he doesn't pass the eye test and you post statistics in response (technically, they are actually NOT statistics but functions), how else would you describe the response otherwise? I don't know what you're talking about with the fox takes, but on the belinelli takes, well I think most people know how much i have always disliked him, but castle with all the justifications that he can have (rookie, atrocious coaching, godawful lineups, no center) has just as many bad defensive possessions.

You can't fucking keep repeating eye test gimmick all year long and act as if your fucking opinion is something that can't be disputed.
Thar's your entire gimmick, anecdotal evidence that can't be disputed and lets you rids your high horse even though you're acting like an absolute retard.

It's also great that you avoided the question about you being right and everyone else being wrong, the usual m.o. of ragebait trolls.

[tonight...you]

Why you guys get all riled up over a dipstick is beyond me.

[Raven]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I mean, are you serious here?

He was handsomely paid not only based on production but future projection and development, which is exactly the expectation, and I'd love to hear how you think he measured up to that this season. He has flat-out disappeared numerous games, his shooting stroke is terrible most nights, his defense has regressed as backed up by stats like DARKO DPM, and he's all-around failed to take a step forward in a season where the Spurs absolutely needed him to.

He's arguably playing himself off the team right now, tbh. How can you say he "does what he does" as if it's some kind of positive? Some stats now - He's shooting 35% on 3s for the season, second-lowest of his career except for his rookie season, on less attempts than his past two seasons and a worse FG% than his last two seasons also. He's shooting sub-80% on free throws, his assists are down as well.....

Sure, you'll always be able to say he's not the problem on a team whose star has been diagnosed with a season-ending condition and second star has had season-ending surgery as well -- but it's hardly the high bar you're making it out to be.

It's currently sink-or-swim time for most Spurs player, and he seems to be drowning by all accounts right now.

E: one more, all-around stat here - he's currently at a -7.4 NetRtg for the season, second-lowest for his career. Sure, shit season and team etc, but c'mon.....

well i wasn't making any point about devin, he just mentioned it because he thinks most of us did not graduate and cannot recognise when someone attempts the logical fallacy of "i disagree with point x so i am entitled to disagree with point y without any argument", but to answer to your question, i disagree that when you're tanking for years, that contracts should be related to performance. KJ and devin both had richer contracts than they deserved at the time, because the team was going to suck, so you can't complain that they are paid too much now that the team doesn't suck anymore.. maybe a little you can, but third bananas get paid more than devin, so i'm not worried. He is exactly what we expect, can create his own shot, stroke is perfect, has length and athleticism and is not an ass. is below average finishing at the rim, terrible at using his body and the decrease at free throws is bad. As far as his percentages go, i'm making the same argument that i make for champ, which is that castle is to blame. When a player has a perfect stroke and doesn't get blocked, it is the team's fault if they don't perform.

[Raven]

You can't fucking keep repeating eye test gimmick all year long and act as if your fucking opinion is something that can't be disputed.
Thar's your entire gimmick, anecdotal evidence that can't be disputed and lets you rids your high horse even though you're acting like an absolute retard.

It's also great that you avoided the question about you being right and everyone else being wrong, the usual m.o. of ragebait trolls.

i literally can, now why are you trying to dispute anecdotal evidence with unrelated numbers, that is something you need to answer to yourself. What question are you talking about, I don't know.

[scott]

It's Castle's fault that the team is worse when Devin is on the court without him

https://i.imgur.com/1qoO4PD.png

[scott]

It's Castle's fault that Devin only shoots 35% on wide open 3's.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1630170/shots-dash

His stroke is perfect, you see... that means it's someone else's fault when it doesn't go in.

[LeBowen]

i literally can, now why are you trying to dispute anecdotal evidence with unrelated numbers, that is something you need to answer to yourself. What question are you talking about, I don't know.

You can because you're a degenerate.
The question was simple. Are you that arrogant to think your take on the matter is right and literally everyone else is wrong? Because literally noone agrees with you. Are we all clueless idiots?

This was my last reply to you, no point in engaging any further since you're just changing subjects and have provided zero actual arguments.

[Raven]

It's Castle's fault that the team is worse when Devin is on the court without him

https://i.imgur.com/1qoO4PD.png

i'm sure you normalised those stats for the competition faced :lol

[Raven]

You can because you're a degenerate.
The question was simple. Are you that arrogant to think your take on the matter is right and literally everyone else is wrong? Because literally noone agrees with you. Are we all clueless idiots?

This was my last reply to you, no point in engaging any further since you're just changing subjects and have provided zero actual arguments.

I absolutely am, for a couple of reasons: spurstalk is small enough and with enough duplicate accounts that you can never make the argument in the first place and i have a long enough track record to make such a case. Just the belinelli example is more than enough.. they used to call him ferrari for a year, remember? Remember the time when pop was asked about the improvements of belinelli's D and he was like are you kidding me with beli's D? only then spurstalk stopped claiming he was a decent defender instead of the world class bad piece of crap that he was.

[scott]

i'm sure you normalised those stats for the competition faced :lol

Don't need to, I just use the eye test.

[Raven]

Don't need to, I just use the eye test.

as you should

[LeBowen]

I tell him he's constantly changing the subject and he continues spewing nonsense about Belinelli and alt account conspiracy theories in the very next post.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[ambchang]

To think that AI trawls the webs for takes and this “opinion” would somehow feed into AI knowledge database just gives me shivers thinking about the future of my children.

[cutewizard]

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGF9NGw76w0

[BatManu20]

Great game tonight from Steph. Showed his playmaking ability and then some. Good stuff tbh.

1903271116145414267

[exstatic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGF9NGw76w0

fify

[John B]

fify

He credited CP3 for opening up his vision more on finding people, which that alone makes the CP3 acquisition such critical to the development of this young team, plus hopefully the dawg attitude. And with Castle, he’s already soaked so much game knowledge and already using it in reading plays, composure, etc. I hope Blakely gets the same reads and composure as I like his defense a lot. If he could develop into a solid backup PG would be great

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/josh810/status/1903272365837992418?s=46

Y’all need to put some respect on Chris Paul’s name, especially mother fuckers like LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) who’s been talking shit all season. Castle doesn’t care that he didn’t start over Paul. If Paul is the main reason for Castle’s development and is set up for the future, let him get all the fucking minutes he wants. Castle is going to be a star because of the simple fact that Paul is unloading all his knowledge unto him, period.

Come at me because this is a hill I’m going to die on.

[Mr. Body]

Doesn't pass the eye test.

[spursparker9]

I don't mind if they let CP3 be Pop's successor

[LeBowen]

Y’all need to put some respect on Chris Paul’s name, especially mother fuckers like LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) who’s been talking shit all season.

I haven't been talking shit all season, just since Fox trade because having Fox and CP3 play together, especially in late game situations was detrimental to winning.

CP3 before Fox trade, 46 games: 9.4/4.1/8.2
CP3 together with Fox, 17 games: 7.5/2.2/7.2
CP3 after Fox shutdown, 5 games: 9.2/4.0/5.8

He's letting Castle handle the ball now, but it was obvious the entire team was hurting because we lost so much size with Fox/CP3 guard duo and either one of them standing in the corner did nothing good for the team.


If Paul is the main reason for Castle’s development and is set up for the future, let him get all the fucking minutes he wants.

I don't have an issue with it now that the season is over as far as competing goes.
But if everyone was healthy, we would've lost quite a few wins over CP3's guaranteed starting spot and minutes.
I said it many times during the season, I don't have anything against CP3 staying for one more year as a backup, I started hating on him when we started losing games because of his guaranteed minutes.
He can pass his knowledge onto Castle even if he's not starting.
I even mentioned that him staying for one more year and then becoming the head coach in 26-27 season isn't out of the realm of possibility.


Castle is going to be a star because of the simple fact that Paul is unloading all his knowledge unto him, period.

That's just disrespectful to Castle.
He's going to be a star because he's got talent, physical tools and work ethic. CP3 will speed up that process and give him an extra edge, but he would've been great either way.


Come at me because this is a hill I’m going to die on.

Some of you people in here are so strange, tbh.

[tonight...you]

I haven't been talking shit all season, just since Fox trade because having Fox and CP3 play together, especially in late game situations was detrimental to winning.

CP3 before Fox trade, 46 games: 9.4/4.1/8.2
CP3 together with Fox, 17 games: 7.5/2.2/7.2
CP3 after Fox shutdown, 5 games: 9.2/4.0/5.8

He's letting Castle handle the ball now, but it was obvious the entire team was hurting because we lost so much size with Fox/CP3 guard duo and either one of them standing in the corner did nothing good for the team.



I don't have an issue with it now that the season is over as far as competing goes.
But if everyone was healthy, we would've lost quite a few wins over CP3's guaranteed starting spot and minutes.
I said it many times during the season, I don't have anything against CP3 staying for one more year as a backup, I started hating on him when we started losing games because of his guaranteed minutes.
He can pass his knowledge onto Castle even if he's not starting.
I even mentioned that him staying for one more year and then becoming the head coach in 26-27 season isn't out of the realm of possibility.



That's just disrespectful to Castle.
He's going to be a star because he's got talent, physical tools and work ethic. CP3 will speed up that process and give him an extra edge, but he would've been great either way.



Some of you people in here are so strange, tbh.
Agreed. Weird.

[spurraider21]

just some numbers about castle's interior scoring (within 3 feet). these are rough numbers that i can pull from bballref

he had 307 FGA, and converted 65.5% of those looks (201 FGM)

they also credit him with having 69 dunks on the year. if you exclude made dunks, he made 55.5% of the rest of his looks at the rim. im not sure how useful this analysis is, as i dont see why you would exclude dunks. for a non-dunking, below the rim point guard, these dunks would typically be replaced with very high% layups, for the most part. but for people who do that analysis, those are the numbers.

this also doesnt include fouls drawn, which was a big part of his game. he drew 176 shooting fouls on the year, and most of those would have been on drives.


if you compare to some other guards known for their interior finishing...

Ant Edwards converted 67.8% of his looks within 3 feet (and only had 54 dunks on the year). he also generally got to the rim less this year... only about 18% of his FGA came within 3 feet, compared to 31% for Castle. a lot of this is probably due to Wolves loss of spacing this year forcing Edwards to be much more of a perimeter scorer (which he has excelled at). he drew 233 shooting fouls despite not getting to the rim as often as the other guys here.

SGA converted 74.2% of his looks within 3 feet (20% of his FGA came within that distance). he only had 46 dunks on the year. and of course, he drew 280 fouls this year, though his playstyle has him drawing those from further out than 3 feet quite a bit. still, remarkable efficiency

Ja made 69% of his shots from within 3 feet (nice), and 23.3% of his FGA came within that distance. he threw down only 17 dunks, and drew 154 shooting fouls on the year.

as far as another rookie... Collier was another phyiscal point guard who had efficiecny questions. he also got over 20% of his FGA within 3 feet. he scored on 70% of those looks while only having 15 dunks.



in sum, castle did great at getting to the rim. im sure i could dig around more, but 31% of his FGA coming from within 3 feet is either at or near the tops in the league among guards. but his finishing there, including dunks, still leaves room for growth if you look at other rim-oriented players. not to mention, while he was pretty damn good at drawing fouls for a rookie, he only made 72% of his FTs which hurts.

he needs to improve his efficiency and its not as simple as his 3pt shooting. his rim efficiency (which for all intents in purposes should include FTs) is lacking. he also only made 37% of his shots between 3 and 10 feet, 37% between 10 and 16 feet, and 33% between 16ft and the 3pt line. the shooting between 10ft and 3pt line is less relevant for him, as those ranges combined accounted for 14% of his FGA.

[LeBowen]

Good post.
As you wrote, I'd like for Castle to focus on being the best version of the player he currently is rather than trying to work on too many things at once and having flaws all across the board.
FTs should be the priority, finishing around the rim will probably improve with experience and body development.
He needs a reliable FT line jumpshot and some kind of floater. Kind of how Fox does it. He'd be unstoppable on the inside.

3pt shooting will come over the next few years, we shouldn't expect too much right away.

[scott]

Fox is also good at drawing fouls, and Wemby should be. I think the Spurs should have an official FTA target key metric going into next season... something like 18/game between those 3 guys. If you can hit that, you'd probably doing a good job.

Edit: 18 is probably way too high... maybe it's more like 14... but my point is the same.

[baseline bum]

Steph got selected for ROY on 8 of the 9 ballots released publicly so far (Bontemps took Risacher).

[exstatic]

Steph got selected for ROY on 8 of the 9 ballots released publicly so far (Bontemps took Risacher).

Bontemps is either a complete tool, a Spurs hater, or both.

[SpursBills]

I used to listen to a ton of Zach Lowe podcasts and Bontemps was by far my least favorite guest. Dude had horrible takes and was just outright dismissive of anything he didn't agree with. He was beating the drum for Chet ROY even into late last season.

[baseline bum]

Bontemps is either a complete tool, a Spurs hater, or both.

He didn't even have Wemby on his top 3 for DPOY last year allegedly

[Ice009]

He didn't even have Wemby on his top 3 for DPOY last year allegedly

Wow. If that is true, the guy is a fool.

[baseline bum]

Wow. If that is true, the guy is a fool.

There were a bunch of ballots that didn't have Wemby top 3 for DPOY last year because of how bad the rest of the team was. Fucking moronic.

[scottspurs]

Stephon Castle-


Ranked 25th in total fast break points with 224


Ranked 42nd in the NBA with 588 points in the paint


Ranked 42nd In the NBA with a 26.0% usage rate


Ranked 21st in the NBA in free throw rate with 34.8%

[spursistan]

Castle has such a superior aura, tbh.

So clear-headed about the team future here. I don't care how good you are, your best players have to be galvanizing forces with unmistakable leadership qualities. In Wemby, and hopefully Castle as the main sidekick, Spurs finally reestablish that leadership-talent double structure that was sorely missed after Timmy/Manu retired ending in that spectacular fiasco of non-leader Kawhi hiding in New York hotels as he schemed his way out of town while watching us limp to the playoffs.

San Antonio Spurs on X: "Onward and upward 📈 https://t.co/cm7E0b0Wga" / X (https://x.com/spurs/status/1912611968659366219)

[CGD]

Bontemps is either a complete tool, a Spurs hater, or both.

I think he just sees a business opportunity being the contrarian. I don’t dislike his analysis overall but his voice on those podcasts is SO grating and whinny.

[Ice009]

Castle has such a superior aura, tbh.

So clear-headed about the team future here. I don't care how good you are, your best players have to be galvanizing forces with unmistakable leadership qualities. In Wemby, and hopefully Castle as the main sidekick, Spurs finally reestablish that leadership-talent double structure that was sorely missed after Timmy/Manu retired ending in that spectacular fiasco of non-leader Kawhi hiding in New York hotels as he schemed his way out of town while watching us limp to the playoffs.

San Antonio Spurs on X: "Onward and upward �� https://t.co/cm7E0b0Wga" / X (https://x.com/spurs/status/1912611968659366219)

Didn't someone say that Pop told Kawhi to sit out the season (I could be remembering wrong)? I saw in mentioned here recently that he wanted to play, and it was Pop that told him to sit out the season. Maybe he never goes to NY if he was playing?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Didn't someone say that Pop told Kawhi to sit out the season (I could be remembering wrong)? I saw in mentioned here recently that he wanted to play, and it was Pop that told him to sit out the season. Maybe he never goes to NY if he was playing?

No. The Spurs medical staff told him he had a degenerative knee issue that’s not going away and it’s a matter of managing his load in the future. He didn’t like what he heard and went doctor shopping until he found a doctor who agreed with whatever opinion he wanted to hear. Allegedly.

Needless to say, in retrospect, the Spurs were correct.

[dn0774]

Didn't someone say that Pop told Kawhi to sit out the season (I could be remembering wrong)? I saw in mentioned here recently that he wanted to play, and it was Pop that told him to sit out the season. Maybe he never goes to NY if he was playing?

I think there was reporting that once Feb/Mar of that cursed season rolled around patfo approached Kawhi and his camp about the prospect of announcing Kawhi as out for the season. The thought behind that being to stem mounting media attention regarding Kawhi’s availability and because the season was clearly in ‘lost cause’ territory.

Kawhi and his people didn’t want him officially shut down (due to degenerative condition) as that would’ve conceivably hurt his future earnings potential, hence why they were doctor shopping for any doc who would say it wasn’t degenerative.

[dn0774]

Didn't someone say that Pop told Kawhi to sit out the season (I could be remembering wrong)? I saw in mentioned here recently that he wanted to play, and it was Pop that told him to sit out the season. Maybe he never goes to NY if he was playing?

I think there was reporting that once Feb/Mar of that cursed season rolled around patfo approached Kawhi and his camp about the prospect of announcing Kawhi as out for the season. The thought behind that being to stem mounting media attention regarding Kawhi’s availability and because the season was clearly in ‘lost cause’ territory.

Kawhi and his people didn’t want him officially shut down (due to degenerative condition) as that would’ve conceivably hurt his future earnings potential, hence why they were doctor shopping for any doc who would say it wasn’t degenerative.

[Ice009]

Alright, that all makes sense from both sides. I sort of wondered why Kawhi's side didn't want him to be announced as out for the season, especially after he took off to NY. It was all to do with his perceived value going forward.

[spursistan]

Let's not forget we have this demon on our roster too. Just an astonishing backcourt upgrade for the Spurs in less than a year :lol.

https://x.com/UsherNBA/status/1922400554971533622

[ace3g]

DJsaskvyjm1

DJo616LRwen

[John B]

DJsaskvyjm1

DJo616LRwen

And this kid is just 20? Damn he is going to be real good. I can’t wait for him and Dylan to go at it at the gym. They’re going to push each other to get better.

[spursistan]

DJsaskvyjm1

DJo616LRwen
Not trading Castle for the simple reason: he is already back on the grind while his peers are selling nail polish.

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1923481831824830512

[mystargtr34]

Not trading Castle for the simple reason: he is already back on the grind while his peers are selling nail polish.

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1923481831824830512

Jared McCain has definitely been cocked more times than John Wayne’s rifle but I like his game.

[Ice009]

Awesome to see. Working on post moves. Looks like some mid-range stuff too.

Are the guys he's working with highly reputable? I feel like I've heard the name TheGUardWhisperer before.

[dn0774]

Awesome to see. Working on post moves. Looks like some mid-range stuff too.

Are the guys he's working with highly reputable? I feel like I've heard the name TheGUardWhisperer before.

He worked with Shai some years back I recall. Pretty sure his resume is legit.

[T Park]

yeah in those moves in the post roll out, you can see Shai there.

I still don't see how the shot doesn't go in more, cause the form looks good, the arch on the shot is good. Hopefully after a full offseason its high 30's low 40s next season with harper and Fox kicking ass around him.

[spursparker9]

Did Castle packed on more muscle?

Man, I wish we have a chance to see Castle vs Harper 1 on 1.

These 2 would mirror each other so much. But 1 is lefty and the other is right handed

[RC_Drunkford]

Awesome to see. Working on post moves. Looks like some mid-range stuff too.

Are the guys he's working with highly reputable? I feel like I've heard the name TheGUardWhisperer before.

shooting coach who worked with Evan Mobley since he came into the league

[RC_Drunkford]

DJsaskvyjm1

DJo616LRwen

you can clearly see that's where Shai got that off arm chicken wing he's throwing everytime he tries to get separation on his jumper from. He's teaching Steph the same thing. He's working on all the right stuff. Shooting, getting to his spots and creating separation for a pull up jumper as well as post ups. Kid's gon take another leap next season, I'm sure.

DJuERxRp6J3

[Dejounte]

I wish he was a little bigger now that we know we’re taking Harper. I hope he won’t be a defensive liability at SF. He’s the same size as DeMar, and I don’t remember if he was a poor defender because of his size limitations or he just had poor instincts, period.

[Ice009]

He worked with Shai some years back I recall. Pretty sure his resume is legit.

Cool, thanks. That's great to hear if he's also worked with players like Shai. Steph seems to be working with some really good coaches.


Did Castle packed on more muscle?

Man, I wish we have a chance to see Castle vs Harper 1 on 1.

These 2 would mirror each other so much. But 1 is lefty and the other is right handed

I wonder if the Spurs will have potential draftees go up against Stephon one on one to see how they fare in pre-draft workouts?


yeah in those moves in the post roll out, you can see Shai there.

I still don't see how the shot doesn't go in more, cause the form looks good, the arch on the shot is good. Hopefully after a full offseason its high 30's low 40s next season with harper and Fox kicking ass around him.

I am hoping all this work repetition will help with his consistency.. Like you said everything looks good, but sometimes in games, the ball/shot was just off when it left his hand on some of those misses. And I don't know what happened on some of those mid-range air balls. Form looks pretty good to me. Maybe just more repetition will help shore all that up and get him more consistent in games. I believe he will get there and do it. His hard work will pay off.


shooting coach who worked with Evan Mobley since he came into the league

Alright, cool. Sounds like he's working with the right people. Great to hear.


you can clearly see that's where Shai got that off arm chicken wing he's throwing everytime he tries to get separation on his jumper from. He's teaching Steph the same thing. He's working on all the right stuff. Shooting, getting to his spots and creating separation for a pull up jumper as well as post ups. Kid's gon take another leap next season, I'm sure.

DJuERxRp6J3

Yeah, this stuff has got me quite excited seeing and hearing about the credentials of the guys he's working with. He's working hard (not that I expected otherwise) and I think he's flat out going for greatness. Not just to be good/improve his game, but to be great.


I wish he was a little bigger now that we know we’re taking Harper. I hope he won’t be a defensive liability at SF. He’s the same size as DeMar, and I don’t remember if he was a poor defender because of his size limitations or he just had poor instincts, period.

I think DeMar just had no defensive instincts at all. Not sure if I am remembering right, but I also vaguely remember TiMVP saying his lateral quickness wasn't very good.

[cutewizard]

Hardworking really

Attitude counts

[John B]

you can clearly see that's where Shai got that off arm chicken wing he's throwing everytime he tries to get separation on his jumper from. He's teaching Steph the same thing. He's working on all the right stuff. Shooting, getting to his spots and creating separation for a pull up jumper as well as post ups. Kid's gon take another leap next season, I'm sure.

DJuERxRp6J3

Yup this kid is not only shooting to improve but shooting for greatness. We’re going to get ourselves a future all-NBA and maybe possibly MVP. Him taking a leap at shooting would make that 3-guard offense work with Dylan. It’s still a long off-season ahead and a lot of improvements still going to happen. Man, I can’t wait.

[spursparker9]

There is a chance that Castle + Harper would be better than Tony + Manu.

At least their ceiling is already higher than Tony + Manu already...

[John B]

There is a chance that Castle + Harper would be better than Tony + Manu.

At least their ceiling is already higher than Tony + Manu already...

Dude you know that’s blasphemy especially I’m a huge Manu fan. But I would root for that. The thing about the Big 3 though was their selflessness, team-first approach. I know Timmy gets a big credit for letting himself get coached. But Manu took a big gamble on his career accepting that 6th man role, we all know. Manu’s eurostep, dribbling behind, switching, you know he’s going to his left but you still can’t stop it. Those side-line passes that seemed to bend, his 1000% motor every single time he’s out there as if there’s no tomorrow, sacrificing his body to take charges, it would be tough to beat. TP is a blur going down, spin moves against trees, led fg% despite being a small guard, fearless. His floater equally reinvented the game (albeit CP3 also helped). I only wish we get the same perfect storm because the stars aligned with Timmy, Manu, TP and not to mention Pop sheltered them with that no-nonsense, no drama culture.

[exstatic]

you can clearly see that's where Shai got that off arm chicken wing he's throwing everytime he tries to get separation on his jumper from. He's teaching Steph the same thing. He's working on all the right stuff. Shooting, getting to his spots and creating separation for a pull up jumper as well as post ups. Kid's gon take another leap next season, I'm sure.

DJuERxRp6J3

So, all we needed to do was have him face away from the rim? He railed all of those spin around corner 3s. I like that on the 3rd shot of each drill, he makes him wait until he calls out ‘shot’, disrupting his rhythm. There was also another drill in one of these instas where he had him hop off one foot, land on two, and shoot a 3 pointer. Great drill for balance.

[sfernald]

Haha, I was just watching a batch of Castle highlights for the season today. Forgot how good he is. We are in for an amazing future with him, Harper & Wemby!

[Ice009]

Is there a link to that video of that other drill? I'm not on Instagram (not big on any social media), so I can't view it.

[exstatic]

Is there a link to that video of that other drill? I'm not on Instagram (not big on any social media), so I can't view it.

I’m not either. I believe there are two more stories in a post by ace3g. Scroll back a bit in this thread.

[Seventyniner]

So, all we needed to do was have him face away from the rim? He railed all of those spin around corner 3s. I like that on the 3rd shot of each drill, he makes him wait until he calls out ‘shot’, disrupting his rhythm. There was also another drill in one of these instas where he had him hop off one foot, land on two, and shoot a 3 pointer. Great drill for balance.

I like that too. Great practice for letting a defender fly by while still being ready to pull the trigger.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uIGLq-vxmA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir5fm9ERdGk

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Did Castle packed on more muscle?

Man, I wish we have a chance to see Castle vs Harper 1 on 1.

These 2 would mirror each other so much. But 1 is lefty and the other is right handed

it definitely looks like he has put on a bit more muscle.

[skin27]

I wish he was a little bigger now that we know we’re taking Harper. I hope he won’t be a defensive liability at SF. He’s the same size as DeMar, and I don’t remember if he was a poor defender because of his size limitations or he just had poor instincts, period.

dont worry he will likely play as a back up pg to fox.

[The Truth #6]

FTs are key. IF he's playing SF and his 3 is still in progress, he'll have opportunities playing closer to the basket, in theory.

[spurraider21]

https://i.gyazo.com/0db47aba641a9c360acf304200c37f58.jpg

[cutewizard]

Imagine if Castle was 6'8

[scottspurs]

There is a chance that Castle + Harper would be better than Tony + Manu.

At least their ceiling is already higher than Tony + Manu already...

Pump the brakes lmao hahahahahahahahaha

[OldMan88]

While drilling that sideline 3 shot, fit him with a shock collar that goes off if his heel touches the sideline.

[exstatic]

While drilling that sideline 3 shot, fit him with a shock collar that goes off if his heel touches the sideline.

That’s much more a Champagnie thing than a Castle thing.

[Brazil]

There is a chance that Castle + Harper would be better than Tony + Manu.

At least their ceiling is already higher than Tony + Manu already...

ceiling higher than Tony+Manu, hold your horse a bit :lol

[John B]

ceiling higher than Tony+Manu, hold your horse a bit :lol

Ginobili was a Roman god gave his right cajones to the Spurs. And should be retired up there tbh. Tough to beat that.

[cutewizard]

Manus Bball IQ is off the charts

[venitian navigator]

Fox is more looking like Parker than Castle... Castle imho Is potentially a younger Jimmy Butler.

[spurraider21]

Fox is more looking like Parker than Castle... Castle imho Is potentially a younger Jimmy Butler.
fox's offensive profile is very parker-like, with a bit more of a vertical aspect to his game. really a score first guy who is a good enough passer but not really his forte. blazing speed, tight but not absurdly flashy handles, thrives in the paint, and has developed a lethal midrange game to complement it. good enough 3pt shooter to be viable but not going to be his bread and butter

fox definitely flashes more defensively than parker did with his playmaking due to having more length and better overall athleticism

[ace3g]

https://x.com/spurs/status/1924889527899894196

[LeBowen]

2024-2025 NBA All-Rookie teams:
First team: Stephon Castle, Zaccharie Risacher, Jaylen Wells, Zach Edey, Alex Sarr
Second team: Matas Buzelis, Bub Carrington, Donovan Clingan, Kel’el Ware, Yves Missi

[RC_Drunkford]

if he works like this all summer he should easily shoot 35% from deep next season. The coach already loves his work ethic.


One of the most locked in workers I’ve ever been around. Never complains, never cheats a rep.

DJu4K9zSMQi

DJxOfk8TrRS

[Atl Spur]

Steph being Steph.

[CGD]

Sand Dunes are no freakin joke. Theyre terrible lol

[ginobilized]

My track coach bet me I couldn't run 19 300 yds uphills in sand without puking. That was the last bet I ever took.
I was puking at 14. Sand is a mf-er.

I just love Castle's no-nonsense work ethic. Year 2 will a sight to behold for him.

[poopbox]

Fox is more looking like Parker than Castle... Castle imho Is potentially a younger Jimmy Butler.

Hope not...every team Jimmy has been on gets tired of him sooner rather than later after he becomes a malcontent, which is usually around the last year of whatever contract he is on.

[RC_Drunkford]

Steph's full workout


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFjE_5gdRM

[LeBowen]

Steph's full workout


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFjE_5gdRM

6:20 Coach is talking about Wemby in the dunker's spot, he obviously hasn't seen enough Spurs games. :lol

[Guru of Nothing]

That's Jimmy Butler muscle.

[ginobilized]

If the Spurs draft Harper at 2, which is a great choice, Castle will likely have even more fuel to his developmental fire.
Dude is a flat-out beast as far as drive and work ethic. He and Harper should bring out the best in each other.

[Guru of Nothing]

If my cipherin is correct, Spurs should be able to have two of Fox, Castle, and Harper on the floor at all times. They should eat 2nd units alive.

[cutewizard]

Good work ethic

A plus to any team

[Ice009]

Beautiful to see. Looks like this guy is a great trainer. Love the stuff Stephon is learning here. Real, practical stuff that is going to help Steph in-games. Like that the guy said all-star next season to Steph. Great goal to shoot for.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

If my cipherin is correct, Spurs should be able to have two of Fox, Castle, and Harper on the floor at all times. They should eat 2nd units alive.

Yes. There will be constant rim pressure which results in lot of made open 3s if we sign/draft shooters.

[cd021]

6:20 Coach is talking about Wemby in the dunker's spot, he obviously hasn't seen enough Spurs games. :lol

Wembanyama might get fined by the Spurs for spending too much time in the paint :lol. He probably should though, to get some easier shots.

[RC_Drunkford]

part 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaFF6xbSVhk

[Raven]

he has a great work ethic! and just learned to shoot five minutes ago... get out of here.

[Ice009]

he has a great work ethic! and just learned to shoot five minutes ago... get out of here.

I don't understand your English. Is that a shot at him about learning to shoot 5 minutes ago? I never know if you're taking a subtle shot as it's always vague. If you're taking a shot at him, just come out and say it.

[spurraider21]

part 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaFF6xbSVhk
man im getting exhausted just watching :lol

[CGD]

Some think this is before or after Spain?

[RC_Drunkford]

Some think this is before or after Spain?

before. They just got back 1-2 days ago

[dn0774]

he has a great work ethic! and just learned to shoot five minutes ago... get out of here.

Tim Duncan sucked at free throws most of his career, terrible work ethic...right?

[picnroll]

Why does Castle almost always miss short off the front of the rim on the side he's shooting from when he misses?

[spurraider21]

Why does Castle almost always miss short off the front of the rim on the side he's shooting from when he misses?
im no shot doctor but his lack of lift on his shots always bothered me. barely gets up off the floor.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why does Castle almost always miss short off the front of the rim on the side he's shooting from when he misses?

not using his legs enough. That‘s always a sign when a player is tired, meaning he doesn‘t jump as high as usual. He has to use his legs more.

[Raven]

I don't understand your English. Is that a shot at him about learning to shoot 5 minutes ago? I never know if you're taking a subtle shot as it's always vague. If you're taking a shot at him, just come out and say it.
it's a shot at the lack of balance. Castle is doing pretty well, is doing what he's supposed to. But nothing to write home about, there's plenty of flaws one can point out both from an intangibles standpoint and a technical point. There's no reason to pretend that there is something that there is no evidence of. Unless you guys are secretly running a propaganda machine to sell high on him, in which case you have my compliments.

[Ice009]

it's a shot at the lack of balance. Castle is doing pretty well, is doing what he's supposed to. But nothing to write home about, there's plenty of flaws one can point out both from an intangibles standpoint and a technical point. There's no reason to pretend that there is something that there is no evidence of. Unless you guys are secretly running a propaganda machine to sell high on him, in which case you have my compliments.

I respect your opinion and I do like that you're not doing blind homer takes like he has no flaws. I do respect that. I'd just rather you explain what you mean sometimes with what you're thinking.

I mean, you are right, a lot of us see a lot of potential, but he hasn't reached it and some of us are acting like he's an all-star or going to be one automatically. I do really like that he was fearless driving the ball to the rim and trying to score inside, but some of those drives didn't end up too well. If you look back that the season, he was good and sometimes great in certain games, but he also had average games with poor efficiency and not great shooting numbers. Some games he took a lot of shots, but since the team sucked, probably shot more than he should have some games.

Then there was the poor defensive games. When he was first drafted, I was super excited about his defense as I thought he was going to be good on that end of the court from the get-go, but as the season went on he had more bad defensive games than good ones. Not sure if that was because he was having to try and score more when Victor went out or if the team was sort of trying to semi-tank (I don't think they were, but I also don't think defense was emphasized after Victor went out), I'm not sure, but I was a bid disappointed in the way he finished the season defensively. He's only a rookie, though, and I do believe his defense will get more consistent if he doesn't have to try and carry the load on offense. I also don't know the direction he's going to go in either as it seems he's really training/working on his offensive game during these videos we're seeing. I wonder if he's also working on defense? I hope he still plans to get a good/great defensive player and not just an offensive player.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/ouct2UzNO0w?si=4OaMEs6n0uNoIA0x

[RC_Drunkford]

he went to the right guy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGHwHp2kFcE

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIsJf6F2F3g

[rascal]

I respect your opinion and I do like that you're not doing blind homer takes like he has no flaws. I do respect that. I'd just rather you explain what you mean sometimes with what you're thinking.

I mean, you are right, a lot of us see a lot of potential, but he hasn't reached it and some of us are acting like he's an all-star or going to be one automatically. I do really like that he was fearless driving the ball to the rim and trying to score inside, but some of those drives didn't end up too well. If you look back that the season, he was good and sometimes great in certain games, but he also had average games with poor efficiency and not great shooting numbers. Some games he took a lot of shots, but since the team sucked, probably shot more than he should have some games.

Then there was the poor defensive games. When he was first drafted, I was super excited about his defense as I thought he was going to be good on that end of the court from the get-go, but as the season went on he had more bad defensive games than good ones. Not sure if that was because he was having to try and score more when Victor went out or if the team was sort of trying to semi-tank (I don't think they were, but I also don't think defense was emphasized after Victor went out), I'm not sure, but I was a bid disappointed in the way he finished the season defensively. He's only a rookie, though, and I do believe his defense will get more consistent if he doesn't have to try and carry the load on offense. I also don't know the direction he's going to go in either as it seems he's really training/working on his offensive game during these videos we're seeing. I wonder if he's also working on defense? I hope he still plans to get a good/great defensive player and not just an offensive player.

The whole team's defense went south because they knew the tank was on and winning games was no longer a priority. That's what happens with teams during lost seasons, players no longer put effort on defense.

[ginobilized]

The more I think about the Fox/Castle/Harper scenario the more I think it will really work.

Castle's defensive potential, work ethic, winner/killer-mentality will allow him to be a great piece and will pair well with an offensively-minded backcourt partner.
Harper getting a couple of years of tutelage under Fox will put him in a prime position to to grow and learn. Castle/Harper backcourt in 3 years might be the best in the league. Add a 7'5" alien to that and that spells a true nightmare for the league. Even if neither Castle nor Harper become league average 3pt shooters it wouldn't be that hard to add 2 sweet shooting forwards to the rotation. Most of the old-school greats, like LeBron, immediately loved Castle. He's got something extra and will be out to take the next step in his progression and prove that the ROY was not a fluke.

[cutewizard]

Hope he adds a post game or fadeaway ala Jordan

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/ZaFF6xbSVhk?si=6le961lGZw-H2m-V

[cutewizard]

Our Fearless Prince at work

I like it.......!

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/t2P5DQueqKU?si=hXBv9sLnX_A-9iys

[tbdog]

https://youtu.be/ZaFF6xbSVhk?si=6le961lGZw-H2m-V

4.50 mark, he is just missing. This is practice. Nba players shouldn't be missing. I'm worried.

[Dejounte]

4.50 mark, he is just missing. This is practice. Nba players shouldn't be missing. I'm worried.

There is developmental practice and there is repetition practice. This video is of him learning, not doing reps.

[John B]

Darn it. Trade him while we can

[couchman]

The concern with his shot is that his form looks fine but the results are bad, so how do you fix it?

[couchman]

Double post

[Ice009]

The concern with his shot is that his form looks fine but the results are bad, so how do you fix it?

I'll need to watch that video, but that is a problem. I really, really love Castle, so I kind of overlook his shooting a little bit. Missing with a good form, that could mean you don't have a feel for shooting, and that is a bad thing. During the regular season, though, to me, it looked like he did have a feel for shooting (not one of a great shooter, though, but good enough where I think he can improve with more repetition/training/getting tons of shots up each day). I overlooked it during the season as it looked OK and I thought he will keep improving. I just hope Steph has a feel for shooting. If he does, he'll be OK with more repetitions.

Also, with this type of video/in this type of training, as Dejounte mentioned, he's likely learning and fatigued on top of that. If it was repetition shooting only on something he's already learned and he's missing all the time, that's not good. If he's learning and fatigued at the same time, more misses are likely, so I think it's just due to that.

[Sugus]

4.50 mark, he is just missing. This is practice. Nba players shouldn't be missing. I'm worried.

You're worried over a few strung misses on a 20-minutes-long shooting practice video? He goes on to make several shots after that mark, and before as well. Is your expectation that NBA players do not miss any shots at all in practice?


The concern with his shot is that his form looks fine but the results are bad, so how do you fix it?

That's the opposite of concerning -- there's a gulf of difference between a shooting motion that "looks fine" and one that is mechanically sound and efficient, and drilled into muscle memory to the point of being successful within an NBA game.

This is a rookie/sophomore player we're talking about... Do you think he's already polished his shooting ability to its max potential, at 20 years old? These expectations are crazy.

[Sugus]

I'll need to watch that video, but that is a problem. I really, really love Castle, so I kind of overlook his shooting a little bit. Missing with a good form, that could mean you don't have a feel for shooting, and that is a bad thing. During the regular season, though, to me, it looked like he did have a feel for shooting (not one of a great shooter, though, but good enough where I think he can improve with more repetition/training/getting tons of shots up each day). I overlooked it during the season as it looked OK and I thought he will keep improving. I just hope Steph has a feel for shooting. If he does, he'll be OK with more repetitions.

Also, with this type of video/in this type of training, as Dejounte mentioned, he's likely learning and fatigued on top of that. If it was repetition shooting only on something he's already learned and he's missing all the time, that's not good. If he's learning and fatigued at the same time, more misses are likely, so I think it's just due to that.

What? No, missing with a fucking hideous form means you don't have a feel for shooting (cough, Sochan). Missing with a good form means a kid needs more reps and further tweaking of his shooting mechanics, which again, hard to have 100% down at 20yo. Even Steph didn't come out the gates with a perfect shot as a rookie, he developed his ability greatly during his career.

Like you, I had a good feeling about Castle's shot throughout the regular season games I watched. He shot with confidence, from all areas of the court (so not just a corner-3 specialist/pigeonhole) and from varying depths, with similar shooting form throughout. All good signs to me.

[RC_Drunkford]

The concern with his shot is that his form looks fine but the results are bad, so how do you fix it?

it's literally in the video how you fix it. Do these drills until you knock them all down.

[Ice009]

What? No, missing with a fucking hideous form means you don't have a feel for shooting (cough, Sochan). Missing with a good form means a kid needs more reps and further tweaking of his shooting mechanics, which again, hard to have 100% down at 20yo. Even Steph didn't come out the gates with a perfect shot as a rookie, he developed his ability greatly during his career.

Like you, I had a good feeling about Castle's shot throughout the regular season games I watched. He shot with confidence, from all areas of the court (so not just a corner-3 specialist/pigeonhole) and from varying depths, with similar shooting form throughout. All good signs to me.

I agree with most of what you said. I'm not sure if you've shot the ball or are a good shooter yourself, but I can tell you for sure, making jump shots in an empty gym is no big deal if you're a halfway decent shooter. I'm sure people that live in the US that get to go to actual NBA games, you'll see guys hitting shots during warmups that are considered poor shooters in games. Having said that, shooting in games is a whole different thing completely when you have a defender zeroing in on you, you have to get that shot off much quicker.

And feel for shooting does play a big part. If Jeremy was making shots with his form and able to get them off during games and make them at a decent percentage, I'd be OK with that. As an example, Haliburton doesn't have a picture perfect form, but he can get the shots off and make them during games. I wouldn't mess with his shot and tell him he needs to change it. You actually can have a picture perfect form/shot and still miss if you don't have any feel for shooting at all. Doesn't matter how many repetitions you put in, you gotta at least have a little bit of a feel for shooting to be a good shooter. Reggie Miller didn't have an orthodox form and neither did I, but I was still making shots as I just have always had a natural feel for shooting the ball. I didn't like my form as I couldn't get my shot off quick enough, so I tweaked it to be more mechanically sound. It doesn't really matter to me about the form as much as if you can get the shot off (I've obviously never played against NBA level athletes) and make it. You don't need a picture perfect form. I learned that watching Reggie Miller when I was very young (He was at the tail end of his career when I started watching) as he was the first great shooter I watched when I first got into the NBA. Dell Curry was another guy I liked shooting wise.

Anyway, I've got to watch the video. It's probably no big deal at all. He probably missed a few as he was learning the shot/move, maybe was a bit fatigued too. Might have even made the majority and the video shows a few misses.

[exstatic]

4.50 mark, he is just missing. This is practice. Nba players shouldn't be missing. I'm worried.

They’re working on his footwork. Also, they are purposefully throwing his rhythm off by making him wait until he hears ‘shot’.

[Sugus]

I agree with most of what you said. I'm not sure if you've shot the ball or are a good shooter yourself, but I can tell you for sure, making jump shots in an empty gym is no big deal if you're a halfway decent shooter. I'm sure people that live in the US that get to go to actual NBA games, you'll see guys hitting shots during warmups that are considered poor shooters in games. Having said that, shooting in games is a whole different thing completely when you have a defender zeroing in on you, you have to get that shot off much quicker.

Yes, I played ball until college, though I'd be lying if I called myself a good shooter :lol was more of a playmaker. But yes, I do agree - my point specifically revolved around people cherry-picking a couple of consecutive misses within a 20-minute shooting workout video. That's why I said, are they supposed to make every shot? That's insane. There's plenty made shots by Castle on the video, this is not a Sochan or Ben Simmons situation.


And feel for shooting does play a big part. If Jeremy was making shots with his form and able to get them off during games and make them at a decent percentage, I'd be OK with that. As an example, Haliburton doesn't have a picture perfect form, but he can get the shots off and make them during games. I wouldn't mess with his shot and tell him he needs to change it. You actually can have a picture perfect form/shot and still miss if you don't have any feel for shooting at all. Doesn't matter how many repetitions you put in, you gotta at least have a little bit of a feel for shooting to be a good shooter. Reggie Miller didn't have an orthodox form and neither did I, but I was still making shots as I just have always had a natural feel for shooting the ball. I didn't like my form as I couldn't get my shot off quick enough, so I tweaked it to be more mechanically sound. It doesn't really matter to me about the form as much as if you can get the shot off (I've obviously never played against NBA level athletes) and make it. You don't need a picture perfect form. I learned that watching Reggie Miller when I was very young (He was at the tail end of his career when I started watching) as he was the first great shooter I watched when I first got into the NBA. Dell Curry was another guy I liked shooting wise.

I absolutely agree - don't remind me of the Haliburton/Vassell draft SMH - but that's why I want to double-down, Castle makes plenty of shots in practice. I think perspective is being lost here. As a rookie, he's already shown the two most important aspects of shooting prowess IMO, which is 1) a willingness to shoot 3's in the flow of the offense, and 2) the ability to vary his shooting spots as the situation demands. His percentages were sub-par, sure, but perfectly within the realms of "hopeful". At no point did I watch Castle during the season for a full game and came out thinking "damn, this kid has no shooting touch!".

Indeed you don't need a picture-perfect form as countless players have shown before. However, I don't think that's a reason to extrapolate concern over a player who does show good mechanics, but is still working on consistency and producing results - they're all parts of the process.

As you'll have realized yourself, also, "shooting touch" isn't everything either. If your form is inconsistent you will run into issues in real games. I could never develop a consistent 3pt shot that was as good as my shot from within the arc, for example, and it certainly gave me pause in games, even subconsciously. So I'm not the least worried to see Castle working with a renowned shooting coach who's drilling the fundamentals on him, I wish I'd had access to that coaching back then, myself!


Anyway, I've got to watch the video. It's probably no big deal at all. He probably missed a few as he was learning the shot/move, maybe was a bit fatigued too. Might have even made the majority and the video shows a few misses.

Ah sorry, I thought you'd seen the video :lol that's what I was referencing. Indeed, I think this is the typical off-season, over-analyzing due to boredom. He was honestly much better than originally thought as a rookie, and to see him make shooting a core focus of his summer workout is nothing but exciting.

[Ice009]

Yes, I played ball until college, though I'd be lying if I called myself a good shooter :lol was more of a playmaker. But yes, I do agree - my point specifically revolved around people cherry-picking a couple of consecutive misses within a 20-minute shooting workout video. That's why I said, are they supposed to make every shot? That's insane. There's plenty made shots by Castle on the video, this is not a Sochan or Ben Simmons situation.

Yeah, that's cool. I should have said, doesn't matter what level you played (I was meant to write that). You've played, so you definitely have an idea of what it's like shooting the ball. And yeah, you're right. I started watching the video and I don't see anything wrong with the misses. Video or no video, doesn't mean you make them all in a workout video.


I absolutely agree - don't remind me of the Haliburton/Vassell draft SMH - but that's why I want to double-down, Castle makes plenty of shots in practice. I think perspective is being lost here. As a rookie, he's already shown the two most important aspects of shooting prowess IMO, which is 1) a willingness to shoot 3's in the flow of the offense, and 2) the ability to vary his shooting spots as the situation demands. His percentages were sub-par, sure, but perfectly within the realms of "hopeful". At no point did I watch Castle during the season for a full game and came out thinking "damn, this kid has no shooting touch!".

Yep, 100% this is what gives me confidence in him. He's willing to take the shot in the flow of the offense. That's a good sign. Stephen Jackson, for example, in the 2003 playoffs, he was willing to take and make big shots. That's not something you can teach. It comes down to confidence and working on your shot to the point you have the confidence to take that shot. You won't make it if you don't have the confidence even if you've worked on it for hours and hours. Steph already showed us some of that in his rookie year. Jeremy is an example of the opposite. He doesn't seem to have the confidence and passes those same shots up. Steph is already way, way ahead in that regard.


Indeed you don't need a picture-perfect form as countless players have shown before. However, I don't think that's a reason to extrapolate concern over a player who does show good mechanics, but is still working on consistency and producing results - they're all parts of the process.

Fair point. I won't disagree with that at all.


As you'll have realized yourself, also, "shooting touch" isn't everything either. If your form is inconsistent you will run into issues in real games. I could never develop a consistent 3pt shot that was as good as my shot from within the arc, for example, and it certainly gave me pause in games, even subconsciously. So I'm not the least worried to see Castle working with a renowned shooting coach who's drilling the fundamentals on him, I wish I'd had access to that coaching back then, myself!

Agree with that too. You definitely will run into issues in-game if your form isn't at least consistent. I guess the easiest way to keep the form consistent is to have a more orthodox shot/mechanically sound shot, and a lot of repetition to go with it. Kawhi would be a great example of that.
I too would have loved to have shooting coach. Not sure how many coaches teach this, but I learned something from Steph Curry about shooting in games from an interview he did. He said that he practices his shot sped up faster than when he shoots in games, so when he's shooting in a game, it's actually easier as he he's shooting a bit slower than the speed he practices at. That was one of my issues, I practiced it slower than in-game where I sped up a bit, so I had trouble getting it off when I had no space or a defender was right there/closing in.



Ah sorry, I thought you'd seen the video :lol that's what I was referencing. Indeed, I think this is the typical off-season, over-analyzing due to boredom. He was honestly much better than originally thought as a rookie, and to see him make shooting a core focus of his summer workout is nothing but exciting.

I watched a little bit just before this reply, no big deal at all from what I can see so far.

[cutewizard]

Thanks for the inputs guys

Hope our fearless Prince improves

He has time

[exstatic]

Castle was nearly a Brent Barry style set shooter. They’re working on his elevation and balance. That’s the part of the video where he’s standing on one foot, and as the pass is on the way,he hops, lands on two feet, and shoots. That is teaching him about a balanced two foot base.

[Ice009]

Castle was nearly a Brent Barry style set shooter. They’re working on his elevation and balance. That’s the part of the video where he’s standing on one foot, and as the pass is on the way,he hops, lands on two feet, and shoots. That is teaching him about a balanced two foot base.

Very true. I hadn't really thought about Brent as never loved his shooting style. Having said that, Brent was a darn good shooter, so I wouldn't say his style sucked or anything. Pretty good observation/comparison, though. I can definitely see some of it now that you've brought it up.

I guess you would call that a stationary shooter. Didn't Larry Bird also have a similar style shot from 3 point range where he barely jumped?

[ace3g]

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[spurraider21]

The concern with his shot is that his form looks fine but the results are bad, so how do you fix it?
im no shot doc

all the movement seems smooth, especially upper body. but he doesnt really seem to get his legs into his shot. basically no lift

[RC_Drunkford]

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[exstatic]

im no shot doc

all the movement seems smooth, especially upper body. but he doesnt really seem to get his legs into his shot. basically no lift

That’s why he shoots poorly on the move. In those workout vids, there is a series of shots where he starts on one leg, then hops into a balanced two foot stance. Probably designed to fix the lack of lift.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/iNrSdn-h3fk?si=Wg3MHGMVe7s53T1W

[buttsR4rebounding]

The concern with his shot is that his form looks fine but the results are bad, so how do you fix it?

He’s just out of shape.

[Ni-G]

He's better at foul baiting then foul merchant SGA already. But I agree with video, it's probably because of weaker defenders covering him and failing.

[cutewizard]

sky is the limit for a cager with will

and his is fierce!

[exstatic]

He's better at foul baiting then foul merchant SGA already. But I agree with video, it's probably because of weaker defenders covering him and failing.
He was starting the last 25 games or so after Wemby and Fox were both out, with starter level defenders on him. Didn’t seem to affect him adversely.

[Ice009]

He was starting the last 25 games or so after Wemby and Fox were both out, with starter level defenders on him. Didn’t seem to affect him adversely.

He did it against anyone as far as I remember. Didn't matter if it was bench guys or starters. Of course, it's a small sample size against starters, but in certain games when he wanted to (I think the Charlotte game was one where both Victor and Fox played, they weren't playing well [Victor looked super fatigued] and Castle took over in the second half driving it to the RIM with force against whoever was on him. That was one of the more aggressive games I remember seeing from him).

[sfernald]

https://youtu.be/iNrSdn-h3fk?si=TxcZ30fs2Ihn2MtP

My hope for castle is pretty simple. I want him to gradually become a Dort-like defender. And he’s at about 53% ts his rookie season. Efficiency doesn’t usually happen for rookies. But I would like to see him up that 2-3 points a year until he is over 60%. I think that’s pretty easy if he keeps working on his shot selection, free throws, midrange and obviously most importantly his three point shot. But improvements to all of it will allow him to make that gradually ascension to the efficiency expected of a true super star.

[Mr. Body]

He's better at foul baiting then foul merchant SGA already. But I agree with video, it's probably because of weaker defenders covering him and failing.

His foul rate will decline some, but I do feel like he earns a lot of his fouls. SGA's fouls are almost uniformly bullshit ticky-tack touch fouls. God he's unbearable to watch.

[spursistan]

Not trading a big guard who is going to live at the line like this. Free points, tbh.
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[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK3dy-59P_Y

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/spursbeliever/status/1938382815814635522?s=46

Cue the michael scott gif

Why
No
No
No
Whyyyyyy

Maybe im too fucking old for this shit
But why is castle going on these loser ass streams

My respect for castle has gone down due to this

Damn

[CGD]

https://x.com/spursbeliever/status/1938382815814635522?s=46

Cue the michael scott gif

Why
No
No
No
Whyyyyyy

Maybe im too fucking old for this shit
But why is castle going on these loser ass streams

My respect for castle has gone down due to this

Damn

I have no idea what this means. The youngs are on some other stuff.

But it’s all good. Hopefully yall still go out, drink a little too much from time to time, and get laid occasionally.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[RC_Drunkford]

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[mystargtr34]

1938461527926825441

Jesus Christ listening to that guy next to Steph for 1 minute gave me a headache.

[cutewizard]

Assignment for The Fearless Prince this season

Go for defensive excellence, vie for NBA All Defense

.............................


https://youtu.be/ouct2UzNO0w?si=nNkH7B91QkTjz8fX

[cutewizard]

Excited to watch new defensive schemes being implemented.....

What do you think guys?

...................


https://youtu.be/tQpDxevjNsE?si=g3kNpLbkHYefuHPA

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/yFyTe40lwKg?feature=shared

[cutewizard]

That's a complete webinar from Coach Sweeney

[Ice009]

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Interesting. Why only 8 times. I thought they'd practice a little more than that.

All the more reason to extend the season and make it longer while still keeping the full 82 games. Extra days off between games could give the teams more time to practice some more.

Where is this podcast from? Is the full one up anywhere?

[RC_Drunkford]

Interesting. Why only 8 times. I thought they'd practice a little more than that.

All the more reason to extend the season and make it longer while still keeping the full 82 games. Extra days off between games could give the teams more time to practice some more.

Where is this podcast from? Is the full one up anywhere?

NBA teams usually practice about 15 times per season. Regular season games are basically used as practice to figure things out.

[Ice009]

NBA teams usually practice about 15 times per season. Regular season games are basically used as practice to figure things out.

15-16 or so sounds about right, but not 8. I assumed that they had practices when they had 2 or 3+ days off between games.

What is the name of the podcast Steph is on in those clips? Is it on Youtube? Do they put up the whole episode at all, or is it not up yet?

[Light]

15-16 or so sounds about right, but not 8. I assumed that they had practices when they had 2 or 3+ days off between games.

What is the name of the podcast Steph is on in those clips? Is it on Youtube? Do they put up the whole episode at all, or is it not up yet?



https://youtu.be/sOyCVjQHNrc?si=CNhdU8rXrJVGmF2E

[RC_Drunkford]

Steph back in thelab with the Guard Whisperer and VJ Edgecombe

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[Mr. Body]

I'm huge on Castle. He's going to be nasty. Just hope he gets along with Harper but don't think there will be an issue. They both want to win.

[BatManu20]

Hoping Castle's 3-point shot takes a considerable leap this offseason. That's the only thing holding him back from being an All-Star caliber player. Not expecting 40% obv, but even slightly below league average at 34-35% would be great.

[LeBowen]

Hoping Castle's 3-point shot takes a considerable leap this offseason. That's the only thing holding him back from being an All-Star caliber player. Not expecting 40% obv, but even slightly below league average at 34-35% would be great.

I'd be happy with him developing a reliable FT line pull up, kind of how Dejounte did.
Teams will have the scouting report on him, everyone will try to stop him getting to the rim. If he can punish them from mid-range, he'll be good to go.
3PT shot will come over the next few years.

[exstatic]

I'd be happy with him developing a reliable FT line pull up, kind of how Dejounte did.
Teams will have the scouting report on him, everyone will try to stop him getting to the rim. If he can punish them from mid-range, he'll be good to go.
3PT shot will come over the next few years.

Teams had that report by New Years and were unable to stop him. By mid March, he was the primary option, was playing against starters, and was drawing the #1 or #2 defender. He was still getting to the cup. What the shot will do is increase his FG% at the rim, and probably his ASST% by getting him a cleaner lane to operate in, and maximize those trips to the rim.

[Mr. Body]

Teams had that report by New Years and were unable to stop him. By mid March, he was the primary option, was playing against starters, and was drawing the #1 or #2 defender. He was still getting to the cup. What the shot will do is increase his FG% at the rim, and probably his ASST% by getting him a cleaner lane to operate in, and maximize those trips to the rim.

Castle playing off the Harper/Wemby gravity is going to be brutal. He's a really, really good cutter and in finding spaces, as evidenced at UConn. Not to mention Fox. Teams won't be able to put two defenders on any of the guards or will have to scramble on kick-outs.

[LeBowen]

Castle playing off the Harper/Wemby gravity is going to be brutal. He's a really, really good cutter and in finding spaces, as evidenced at UConn. Not to mention Fox. Teams won't be able to put two defenders on any of the guards or will have to scramble on kick-outs.

I mentioned it the other day, but this roster can be game-breaking even with some basic setups like D'Antoni's offense.
Add two elite shooters around Wemby while always having two elite paint penetrators on the floor and it's an unstoppable offense without even giving it much thought or going into more advanced schemes.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOyCVjQHNrc&t=574s

[Ice009]

Haven't had a chance to watch all these videos yet (will try to later), but I think I heard Steph wants to do a bit of a behind the scenes podcast of training and locker room videos. Would locker room videos even be allowed?

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62aprly04vw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62aprly04vw

Another one.
Coach has him watching Baron Davis tape.

[Ice009]

Wow. Should be a fun video to watch later. I was a fan of prime Baron Davis.

[Mr. Body]

I like how the Guard Whisperer looks like he runs a donut truck.

[PhantomDashCam]

I like how the Guard Whisperer looks like he runs a donut truck.

“The Taco Tickler” just didn’t have the same ring tbh… and implies a different line of profession.

[spursistan]

Seeing Castle in multiple training blocks with the Guard whisperer and around the Summer League team is a testimony of the kid's work ethics and ambition. What an absolute home run of a pick for the Spurs..

Hopefully it's a Kawhi-esque development arc without the external baggage..

[spurraider21]

Had anybody actually heard of this “guard whisperer” guy before Steph?

[exstatic]

Had anybody actually heard of this “guard whisperer” guy before Steph?

Yes. He taught SGA pretty much everything.

[K...]

Had anybody actually heard of this “guard whisperer” guy before Steph?

have we had a high value young guard since TONY P? I mean u expect the whisperer to manifest for forbes, primo, wesley, branham, or vassel?